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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,671 --> 00:00:02,706 ...on the court tell a different story. 2 00:00:03,050 --> 00:00:04,861 You're listening to Strictly Legal Talk, 3 00:00:04,885 --> 00:00:07,015 a professional legal podcast. 4 00:00:07,039 --> 00:00:10,427 _ 5 00:00:15,595 --> 00:00:17,830 Excuse me, Judge Duggan? 6 00:00:18,642 --> 00:00:20,409 Tony. Come in. 7 00:00:21,547 --> 00:00:23,548 Listen, I know you're new, 8 00:00:23,572 --> 00:00:25,473 but everyone around here calls me Madison. 9 00:00:25,497 --> 00:00:26,846 Yes, ma'am. 10 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:28,940 I didn't mean to disturb you, but the jury's in the box. 11 00:00:30,105 --> 00:00:32,298 Please introduce yourself to Her Honor 12 00:00:32,322 --> 00:00:34,300 and the members of the jury. 13 00:00:34,324 --> 00:00:36,390 My name is Debra Jansen, 14 00:00:36,414 --> 00:00:38,304 and I'm a registered nurse. 15 00:00:38,328 --> 00:00:41,374 Did you and the defendant, Dr. Stanley Ferris, 16 00:00:41,398 --> 00:00:43,813 perform an assisted suicide? 17 00:00:43,837 --> 00:00:45,639 Yes. We did. 18 00:00:45,663 --> 00:00:48,381 And could you please describe the circumstances? 19 00:00:48,405 --> 00:00:51,718 The patient was a 72-year-old male. 20 00:00:51,742 --> 00:00:54,954 He was suffering from diabetes and heart disease. 21 00:00:54,978 --> 00:00:57,623 Didn't have long to live, but obviously, 22 00:00:57,647 --> 00:01:00,259 in a tremendous amount of pain and discomfort. 23 00:01:01,537 --> 00:01:03,146 We went to his home. 24 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:06,157 I administered four milligrams of ondansetron. 25 00:01:06,181 --> 00:01:07,425 It's a tablet. 26 00:01:07,449 --> 00:01:08,960 We give it to prevent nausea, 27 00:01:08,984 --> 00:01:10,012 vomiting. 28 00:01:10,586 --> 00:01:13,098 Once he'd gotten that down, 29 00:01:13,122 --> 00:01:15,591 Dr. Ferris mixed ten grams 30 00:01:15,615 --> 00:01:18,136 of secobarbital with apple juice. 31 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,186 About 30 minutes later, the patient stopped breathing. 32 00:01:21,210 --> 00:01:24,276 Thank you. I have nothing further, Your Honor. 33 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:26,801 Any questions from the defense? 34 00:01:28,084 --> 00:01:30,032 Let me ask you a question, Ms. Jansen. 35 00:01:30,506 --> 00:01:33,216 The deceased was suffering, wasn't he? 36 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,876 Very much so. Yes. 37 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:38,410 And he asked to be euthanized, didn't he? 38 00:01:38,434 --> 00:01:39,803 Yes. Of course. 39 00:01:39,827 --> 00:01:42,413 Now the reason you're here today, 40 00:01:42,437 --> 00:01:44,744 the reason we're all here today 41 00:01:45,837 --> 00:01:47,982 is that the A.D.A. cut you a deal in exchange for 42 00:01:48,006 --> 00:01:49,750 your testimony, isn't that right? 43 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:52,019 She promised not to prosecute me 44 00:01:52,043 --> 00:01:54,655 for being a part of it if I testified. 45 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:55,823 - Yes. - Thank you. 46 00:01:56,966 --> 00:01:58,292 I have nothing further. 47 00:01:58,316 --> 00:01:59,927 Okay. Let's take a brief recess. 48 00:01:59,951 --> 00:02:03,220 Ms. Boyd, I'd like to see you and the witness in my chambers. 49 00:02:09,694 --> 00:02:12,940 I noticed there are federal agents in the gallery. 50 00:02:13,943 --> 00:02:15,268 Ms. Boyd, 51 00:02:15,327 --> 00:02:17,077 when you promised not to prosecute Ms. Jansen, 52 00:02:17,101 --> 00:02:19,146 did you reach out to your federal counterparts 53 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:21,816 and make sure the promise would bind the United States 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,117 Attorney's Office, as well? 55 00:02:23,961 --> 00:02:25,352 No, Your Honor. 56 00:02:25,376 --> 00:02:27,121 So you made a deal with this witness, 57 00:02:27,145 --> 00:02:28,622 but you didn't get the Feds 58 00:02:28,646 --> 00:02:29,990 to sign off on it? 59 00:02:31,218 --> 00:02:32,982 Those FBI agents grab you, 60 00:02:33,006 --> 00:02:34,562 you are looking at ten years. 61 00:02:34,926 --> 00:02:36,426 Ten years? 62 00:02:37,655 --> 00:02:40,401 So, wait. They're-they're here to arrest me? 63 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:43,337 I never would have agreed to testify if I had known 64 00:02:43,361 --> 00:02:45,172 that could happen. 65 00:02:45,957 --> 00:02:47,467 You made a critical error. 66 00:02:47,491 --> 00:02:48,913 You should have dialed in the Feds 67 00:02:48,937 --> 00:02:50,244 before you promised her immunity. 68 00:02:50,268 --> 00:02:52,697 Okay. Wait a second. Let's figure this out. 69 00:02:52,721 --> 00:02:54,081 Maybe if you could let her stay in here, 70 00:02:54,105 --> 00:02:55,720 she could call her lawyer? 71 00:02:55,744 --> 00:02:57,551 All of us together... we can work this out. 72 00:02:57,575 --> 00:02:59,599 You're not going to work anything out. 73 00:02:59,971 --> 00:03:02,022 They are here to do a job, and they're gonna do it. 74 00:03:02,046 --> 00:03:03,891 The second she walks back into that courtroom, 75 00:03:03,915 --> 00:03:05,726 they are gonna take her into custody, 76 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:08,478 whether she's called a lawyer or not. 77 00:03:08,502 --> 00:03:09,832 Oh, my God. 78 00:03:10,189 --> 00:03:12,255 I have kids. I... 79 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:19,206 Why don't you return to the courtroom? 80 00:03:19,819 --> 00:03:20,864 Give us a moment. 81 00:03:32,777 --> 00:03:34,346 All rise! 82 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:36,357 Oh, no, no, stop. Sorry for 83 00:03:36,381 --> 00:03:37,748 the delay, everyone. 84 00:03:39,828 --> 00:03:42,224 Agents, can you please take your seats? 85 00:03:42,248 --> 00:03:43,506 I'd like to resume trial. 86 00:03:44,005 --> 00:03:46,433 Of course. We'll leave in just a second, but we need to speak 87 00:03:46,457 --> 00:03:47,768 to the witness who just testified. 88 00:03:47,792 --> 00:03:50,098 - The nurse. - I think you may have just missed her. 89 00:03:50,122 --> 00:03:51,305 Missed her? 90 00:03:51,329 --> 00:03:53,641 I believe she had another matter to attend to. 91 00:03:54,301 --> 00:03:55,643 Your Honor, let me be clear. 92 00:03:55,667 --> 00:03:57,484 We came here to arrest her. 93 00:03:58,362 --> 00:03:59,963 I don't know what to tell you. 94 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,749 You understand what this looks like? 95 00:04:02,684 --> 00:04:04,713 You called Ms. Jansen into your chambers immediately 96 00:04:04,737 --> 00:04:07,434 after she confesses to illegal drug distribution. 97 00:04:07,459 --> 00:04:08,770 Now she's gone? 98 00:04:08,794 --> 00:04:11,506 Again... I don't know what to tell you. 99 00:04:11,530 --> 00:04:14,054 If you feel you have lawful authority 100 00:04:14,078 --> 00:04:16,284 to arrest someone, then you should do so. 101 00:04:16,308 --> 00:04:19,347 You just need to do it in a way that doesn't intimidate witnesses, 102 00:04:19,371 --> 00:04:21,482 or cause a disruption in my courtroom. 103 00:04:22,204 --> 00:04:23,351 Understood? 104 00:04:23,872 --> 00:04:26,020 Oh, I completely understand, Your Honor. 105 00:04:26,044 --> 00:04:27,488 But do you understand 106 00:04:27,512 --> 00:04:29,958 that in intentionally allowing Ms. Jansen to evade arrest, 107 00:04:29,982 --> 00:04:31,626 you just committed a federal crime? 108 00:04:33,385 --> 00:04:34,963 Need you to step down from the bench 109 00:04:34,987 --> 00:04:36,397 and put your hands behind your back. 110 00:04:36,421 --> 00:04:38,266 And I need you to leave my courtroom. 111 00:04:38,290 --> 00:04:40,931 I have a trial to attend to. Court officer? 112 00:04:44,810 --> 00:04:46,134 Seriously? 113 00:04:46,158 --> 00:04:48,980 I'm asking you one last time. Step off the bench. 114 00:05:01,179 --> 00:05:03,477 Judge Duggan, you're being charged 115 00:05:03,501 --> 00:05:06,194 with obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting an escape. 116 00:05:06,218 --> 00:05:08,129 - You have the right to remain silent... - Save your breath. 117 00:05:08,153 --> 00:05:10,264 I know the song. I can recite the lyrics by heart. 118 00:05:10,288 --> 00:05:12,900 Anything you say can and will be used against you 119 00:05:12,924 --> 00:05:14,068 in a court of law. 120 00:05:14,092 --> 00:05:15,576 You have the right to an attorney. 121 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,094 If you cannot afford an attorney, 122 00:05:17,119 --> 00:05:18,439 one will be provided for you. 123 00:05:19,082 --> 00:05:20,231 Wow. 124 00:05:20,255 --> 00:05:22,744 A judge with half a million Twitter followers. 125 00:05:22,768 --> 00:05:25,747 Well, I'm guessing she's a bleeding heart? 126 00:05:25,771 --> 00:05:28,616 The kind that sends defendants home with a slap on the wrist? 127 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,486 Well, that is not exactly the way that I would describe her. 128 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:34,756 A defendant was convicted of a drunk driving hit-and-run. 129 00:05:34,780 --> 00:05:37,558 She ordered him to spend a week living at the morgue. 130 00:05:37,582 --> 00:05:39,260 Eating, sleeping. 131 00:05:39,284 --> 00:05:41,462 All of it, surrounded 132 00:05:41,486 --> 00:05:44,365 by lifeless, mangled victims of car accidents. 133 00:05:44,389 --> 00:05:46,234 A week at the morgue? 134 00:05:46,258 --> 00:05:48,069 I think I'd rather go to prison. 135 00:05:48,093 --> 00:05:50,684 She sentenced another defendant, a slumlord, 136 00:05:50,708 --> 00:05:53,361 to live in one of his rat-infested properties 137 00:05:53,385 --> 00:05:54,575 for six months. 138 00:05:54,599 --> 00:05:56,867 Oh. So she's one of those. 139 00:05:56,891 --> 00:05:58,546 And apparently, it is effective. 140 00:05:58,570 --> 00:06:01,149 Judge Duggan's defendants have the lowest recidivism rates 141 00:06:01,173 --> 00:06:03,653 in the city... an average of 17%. 142 00:06:03,677 --> 00:06:05,753 Sounds like there's a method to her madness. 143 00:06:05,777 --> 00:06:07,555 Oh. 144 00:06:07,738 --> 00:06:09,416 That's her. She's in the lobby. 145 00:06:09,899 --> 00:06:12,560 I appreciate you seeing me on such short notice. 146 00:06:12,584 --> 00:06:14,095 I know you're both very busy. 147 00:06:14,119 --> 00:06:15,463 Happy to be of help. 148 00:06:15,487 --> 00:06:18,032 First, I know what people are saying about me. 149 00:06:18,306 --> 00:06:20,418 They think I have some sort of agenda, 150 00:06:20,442 --> 00:06:22,308 both political and personal. 151 00:06:22,332 --> 00:06:24,455 Well, you were elected to the bench. People assume 152 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:26,223 you have your sights set on bigger and better things. 153 00:06:26,247 --> 00:06:28,659 The prosecutor is alleging you used 154 00:06:28,683 --> 00:06:31,562 your platform as a judge to raise your profile, 155 00:06:32,018 --> 00:06:33,447 make a political statement. 156 00:06:33,471 --> 00:06:35,232 The prosecutor's wrong. 157 00:06:35,256 --> 00:06:38,869 This isn't about self-promotion or assisted suicide. 158 00:06:38,893 --> 00:06:41,513 In fact, I don't even have an opinion on assisted suicide. 159 00:06:41,537 --> 00:06:43,140 Then, why'd you do it? 160 00:06:43,164 --> 00:06:46,043 You, of all people, know the jeopardy you're facing. 161 00:06:46,067 --> 00:06:48,079 Could cost you 25 years in prison, 162 00:06:48,103 --> 00:06:51,375 your seat on the bench, your license to practice. 163 00:06:51,828 --> 00:06:53,896 I know it's gonna sound like something from a bumper sticker, 164 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,055 but... I did it to protect the sanctity of the courtroom, 165 00:06:58,079 --> 00:06:59,957 the sovereignty of judges, 166 00:06:59,981 --> 00:07:02,259 the-the business of providing justice. 167 00:07:02,283 --> 00:07:03,594 Forgive me, but 168 00:07:03,618 --> 00:07:05,367 I'm not sure I follow. 169 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:08,933 I'm responsible for what happens in my courtroom. 170 00:07:09,329 --> 00:07:11,469 I can't have people who would otherwise testify worry 171 00:07:11,493 --> 00:07:14,505 that if they do, some other arm of law is gonna be 172 00:07:14,529 --> 00:07:17,074 waiting for them in the lobby because they owe back taxes, 173 00:07:17,098 --> 00:07:18,843 or they have an outstanding parking ticket, 174 00:07:18,867 --> 00:07:20,340 or who knows what. 175 00:07:20,364 --> 00:07:21,445 So you let her 176 00:07:21,469 --> 00:07:24,548 exit through the judge's lobby to the private elevator, 177 00:07:24,572 --> 00:07:26,917 and slip out the back door of the courthouse? 178 00:07:26,941 --> 00:07:29,487 I gave her time to consult with an attorney, 179 00:07:29,511 --> 00:07:32,757 so she could arrange to turn herself in and avoid arrest. 180 00:07:32,781 --> 00:07:33,812 And did she? 181 00:07:36,177 --> 00:07:37,232 I don't know. 182 00:07:38,647 --> 00:07:40,443 I'm worried she fled. 183 00:07:41,589 --> 00:07:42,782 But that's not the point. 184 00:07:42,806 --> 00:07:44,468 And what is? 185 00:07:45,323 --> 00:07:48,305 Court has to be a safe space, 186 00:07:48,329 --> 00:07:50,374 a sacred space. 187 00:07:50,398 --> 00:07:52,843 Otherwise, no one will participate. 188 00:07:52,867 --> 00:07:54,845 Criminals will walk free, 189 00:07:54,869 --> 00:07:56,637 the crime rate will rise. 190 00:07:59,874 --> 00:08:01,214 So will you help me? 191 00:08:02,977 --> 00:08:04,843 Will you represent me? 192 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,053 Please? 193 00:08:09,723 --> 00:08:11,985 Well, when you put it like that. 194 00:08:13,695 --> 00:08:19,274 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 195 00:08:20,483 --> 00:08:21,603 Good morning. 196 00:08:22,452 --> 00:08:25,516 I understand the defense has filed a motion to dismiss. 197 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:27,317 That is correct, Your Honor. 198 00:08:27,341 --> 00:08:28,819 Hmm. I'll hear you. 199 00:08:28,843 --> 00:08:30,265 Although, I confess, 200 00:08:30,289 --> 00:08:33,283 my clerk has already informed me of your position. 201 00:08:34,217 --> 00:08:37,227 Apparently, your client was twittering about it all morning. 202 00:08:38,877 --> 00:08:40,430 Apparently, she's... 203 00:08:40,712 --> 00:08:42,799 quite the media sensation. 204 00:08:42,823 --> 00:08:45,485 It's tweeting, not twittering. 205 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:47,516 Argue your motion, Mr. Colón. 206 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:49,306 Of course, Your Honor. 207 00:08:49,330 --> 00:08:53,810 It is the defendant's contention that pursuant to Rule 12 208 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:56,446 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure 209 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:59,116 that the indictment must be dismissed. 210 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:01,718 My client is being criminally prosecuted 211 00:09:01,742 --> 00:09:04,454 for doing exactly what she was sworn to do... 212 00:09:04,478 --> 00:09:07,057 exercise judicial discretion, 213 00:09:07,081 --> 00:09:09,760 protect the integrity of her courtroom, and 214 00:09:09,784 --> 00:09:12,462 - ensure that justice is served. - Does that mean 215 00:09:12,486 --> 00:09:14,965 you stipulate that your client allowed someone to evade arrest? 216 00:09:15,541 --> 00:09:17,201 - He's admitting his client did it. - I am admitting 217 00:09:17,225 --> 00:09:18,936 nothing of the kind. 218 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,238 She allowed a witness to seek counsel. 219 00:09:21,753 --> 00:09:24,907 Mr. Olsen, does the United States have a response? 220 00:09:24,931 --> 00:09:27,744 It's our position that Ms. Duggan... 221 00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:30,154 Excuse me. It's Judge Duggan. 222 00:09:30,178 --> 00:09:32,716 - The woman is still a judge. - I don't care what they call me. 223 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:34,017 That's not the point. 224 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:35,430 We need to set a certain tone. 225 00:09:35,454 --> 00:09:37,788 Ms. Duggan is under suspension. 226 00:09:37,812 --> 00:09:40,531 Judge Duggan is on administrative leave 227 00:09:40,555 --> 00:09:42,159 until the case is resolved. 228 00:09:42,183 --> 00:09:43,794 And she should be given 229 00:09:43,818 --> 00:09:45,963 the respect that she deserves. 230 00:09:45,987 --> 00:09:47,397 Gentlemen... 231 00:09:48,238 --> 00:09:50,313 since neither of you has appeared in my courtroom before, 232 00:09:50,337 --> 00:09:52,163 let me set a few ground rules for you. 233 00:09:52,187 --> 00:09:53,904 I run a tight ship. 234 00:09:53,928 --> 00:09:56,024 No one speaks out of turn, 235 00:09:56,048 --> 00:09:59,009 and if I want you to elaborate on anything, I will let you know. 236 00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:00,177 Got it? 237 00:10:00,201 --> 00:10:01,912 Of course, Your Honor. Yes, Your Honor. 238 00:10:03,071 --> 00:10:04,625 Continue please, Mr. Olsen. 239 00:10:04,649 --> 00:10:08,128 The defendant's decision to ignore a federal arrest warrant 240 00:10:08,152 --> 00:10:10,531 appears to have been a publicity stunt 241 00:10:10,555 --> 00:10:13,066 orchestrated by a media-savvy jurist, 242 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:15,699 hoping to eventually seek higher elected office. 243 00:10:15,723 --> 00:10:19,473 We simply cannot allow obstructing the work 244 00:10:19,497 --> 00:10:22,142 of federal law enforcement to be taken lightly. 245 00:10:22,605 --> 00:10:26,447 The defendant must be held accountable for her actions. 246 00:10:26,471 --> 00:10:28,615 I must say, I agree with the prosecution. 247 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:33,020 I'm not going to endorse a rogue judge's behavior. 248 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:36,457 The defendant's motion to dismiss is denied. 249 00:10:36,481 --> 00:10:38,246 Case will be decided by a jury. 250 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:41,628 Clearly, this is gonna be an uphill battle. 251 00:10:41,652 --> 00:10:43,464 One more thing. 252 00:10:43,835 --> 00:10:45,466 Yes, Your Honor? 253 00:10:45,490 --> 00:10:47,012 I'm issuing a gag order. 254 00:10:47,036 --> 00:10:50,103 Respectfully, I don't believe that's necessary, Your Honor. 255 00:10:50,127 --> 00:10:53,073 Objection noted and overruled. 256 00:10:53,097 --> 00:10:56,300 There will be no twittering or Facebooking 257 00:10:56,324 --> 00:10:57,744 or any other form of commentary 258 00:10:57,768 --> 00:11:00,147 during the pendency of this case. 259 00:11:00,171 --> 00:11:01,782 Have I made myself clear? 260 00:11:01,806 --> 00:11:03,480 Yes, Your Honor. 261 00:11:05,843 --> 00:11:07,855 Sorry, Bull. 262 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,558 Try as I might, I just could not make it go away. 263 00:11:11,582 --> 00:11:14,661 Don't beat yourself up too much. 264 00:11:15,158 --> 00:11:16,997 I realize now there was no way on earth 265 00:11:17,021 --> 00:11:19,399 that judge was gonna let our judge off without a trial. 266 00:11:19,423 --> 00:11:20,788 Hmm. 267 00:11:21,219 --> 00:11:22,999 Have you read about our client? 268 00:11:23,828 --> 00:11:26,085 She sure does get some press. 269 00:11:27,003 --> 00:11:29,142 She had this one case once, a residential burglary. 270 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:31,578 Victim was juggling two jobs at once. 271 00:11:31,602 --> 00:11:34,648 Husband was dying, and she's caring for him. 272 00:11:34,672 --> 00:11:36,917 It's a huge burden for her to get to the court 273 00:11:36,941 --> 00:11:38,485 during normal hours. 274 00:11:38,509 --> 00:11:42,519 So Judge Duggan decided she was gonna hold court at night. 275 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:46,360 Every component of the system complained. 276 00:11:46,689 --> 00:11:48,595 Courthouse didn't want to keep the lights on. 277 00:11:49,067 --> 00:11:50,931 The jail didn't want to transport the prisoner 278 00:11:50,955 --> 00:11:52,099 after hours. 279 00:11:52,123 --> 00:11:55,602 But our client dug in and made it happen. 280 00:11:55,626 --> 00:11:56,837 That's nice. 281 00:11:56,861 --> 00:11:58,505 I think it's more than nice. 282 00:11:58,529 --> 00:12:00,007 I think it's indicative of someone 283 00:12:00,031 --> 00:12:02,409 who's committed to the idea that justice should exist 284 00:12:02,433 --> 00:12:04,611 for everyone; it shouldn't be compromised 285 00:12:04,635 --> 00:12:07,281 because it might be inconvenient for the system. 286 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:08,815 I think she 287 00:12:08,839 --> 00:12:10,717 genuinely believes in these things. 288 00:12:10,741 --> 00:12:13,320 I believe she honestly thought that the nurse's reward 289 00:12:13,344 --> 00:12:16,290 for being willing to testify shouldn't be getting arrested 290 00:12:16,314 --> 00:12:18,158 by another agency. 291 00:12:18,182 --> 00:12:20,627 So, how do you want to play this? 292 00:12:20,651 --> 00:12:22,729 Who would be on your ideal jury? 293 00:12:22,753 --> 00:12:24,464 Well, here's an abstract idea. 294 00:12:24,488 --> 00:12:26,867 Sometimes you have to skirt the law 295 00:12:26,891 --> 00:12:28,983 in order to maintain its integrity. 296 00:12:29,007 --> 00:12:31,538 - You've got that right. - Our client... 297 00:12:31,562 --> 00:12:33,607 Judge Duggan... 298 00:12:34,028 --> 00:12:35,976 she's guided by the spirit of the law 299 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,210 rather than the letter of it. 300 00:12:37,234 --> 00:12:40,147 So we want people who can see the big picture. 301 00:12:40,171 --> 00:12:42,282 Exactly. We need to deselect narrow-minded thinkers 302 00:12:42,306 --> 00:12:45,218 and embrace people who are at least willing to explore 303 00:12:45,242 --> 00:12:47,754 the possibility that, while at first glance 304 00:12:47,778 --> 00:12:50,390 something may appear precise and definite, 305 00:12:50,795 --> 00:12:53,060 it may be open to interpretation, 306 00:12:53,084 --> 00:12:54,928 have a deeper meaning. 307 00:12:54,952 --> 00:12:56,096 Good morning. 308 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,231 So, let me ask you a question. 309 00:12:58,255 --> 00:13:00,834 If I say "Statue of Liberty," 310 00:13:00,858 --> 00:13:02,636 what does that make you think of? 311 00:13:02,660 --> 00:13:03,837 I don't know. 312 00:13:03,861 --> 00:13:05,072 Liberty? 313 00:13:05,096 --> 00:13:06,239 Freedom? 314 00:13:06,263 --> 00:13:07,641 I don't know. 315 00:13:07,665 --> 00:13:09,676 That answer could cut either way. 316 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:12,913 Could be viewed as either literal or abstract. 317 00:13:12,937 --> 00:13:14,801 Or, really, just obvious. 318 00:13:14,825 --> 00:13:18,095 Kelly Wallace. 61 years old. Teaches physics 319 00:13:18,119 --> 00:13:19,653 at Columbia University. 320 00:13:19,677 --> 00:13:23,190 Well, physicists are analytical but also very creative. 321 00:13:23,214 --> 00:13:25,525 Physics itself is practical 322 00:13:25,549 --> 00:13:28,551 but can also be very... theoretical. 323 00:13:31,656 --> 00:13:32,799 Okay. 324 00:13:32,823 --> 00:13:34,167 Liberty, freedom. 325 00:13:34,191 --> 00:13:35,535 Anything else? 326 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,270 Hope. 327 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:38,605 Ah, hope. 328 00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:41,108 Now, there's the abstract thinker we're looking for. 329 00:13:41,132 --> 00:13:42,109 Your Honor, 330 00:13:42,133 --> 00:13:44,978 this juror is acceptable to the defense. 331 00:13:45,002 --> 00:13:47,547 So, miss, let me ask you a question. 332 00:13:47,571 --> 00:13:50,117 Now, this case makes reference to assisted suicide, 333 00:13:50,141 --> 00:13:52,386 and I'm reading on your questionnaire here 334 00:13:52,410 --> 00:13:54,054 that you are a nun. 335 00:13:54,747 --> 00:13:57,257 Do you think that you can be fair and impartial? 336 00:13:57,281 --> 00:13:58,725 Well... 337 00:13:58,749 --> 00:14:00,694 suicide is a mortal sin. 338 00:14:00,718 --> 00:14:02,796 It's an act against the will of God. 339 00:14:03,117 --> 00:14:05,265 I'm not sure what else I can tell you. 340 00:14:05,289 --> 00:14:07,034 Thank you for your candor. 341 00:14:07,058 --> 00:14:08,502 Your Honor, we move 342 00:14:08,526 --> 00:14:10,804 to exclude this juror for cause. 343 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:12,710 Request is denied. 344 00:14:13,831 --> 00:14:15,609 - Excuse me? - Request is denied. 345 00:14:15,633 --> 00:14:16,855 There is no cause. 346 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:18,478 That's absurd. 347 00:14:18,502 --> 00:14:19,913 This witness just answered 348 00:14:19,937 --> 00:14:22,215 she considers suicide... any kind of suicide... 349 00:14:22,239 --> 00:14:23,483 a mortal sin. 350 00:14:23,507 --> 00:14:25,018 I'd advise you to sit down. 351 00:14:25,042 --> 00:14:27,102 Counsel, want to take control of your client? 352 00:14:27,126 --> 00:14:28,755 What more cause do you need? 353 00:14:28,779 --> 00:14:30,358 Take your seat. Let Benny do his job. 354 00:14:30,382 --> 00:14:33,593 But this case isn't about suicide, it's about you. 355 00:14:33,617 --> 00:14:36,247 Letting someone out the back door to avoid being arrested. 356 00:14:36,271 --> 00:14:38,932 That someone who just assisted in an act of suicide. 357 00:14:38,956 --> 00:14:40,867 How can you not see the prejudicial effect 358 00:14:40,891 --> 00:14:42,479 that that might have on this juror? 359 00:14:42,503 --> 00:14:44,438 - Did you not hear me? - Of course I did. 360 00:14:44,462 --> 00:14:46,273 The questions is, did you hear me? 361 00:14:46,297 --> 00:14:47,374 Please let us handle this. 362 00:14:47,398 --> 00:14:48,764 This is my final warning. 363 00:14:48,788 --> 00:14:50,210 Take your seat. 364 00:14:50,234 --> 00:14:53,647 Your lawyer may exercise one of his six preemptory challenges 365 00:14:53,671 --> 00:14:55,235 on this jury if he so chooses. 366 00:14:55,259 --> 00:14:57,426 That's not the point. We shouldn't have to use 367 00:14:57,450 --> 00:14:59,119 one of our six preemptory challenges 368 00:14:59,143 --> 00:15:00,887 when this juror is clearly biased. 369 00:15:00,911 --> 00:15:03,023 This is the last time I'm gonna say it. 370 00:15:03,047 --> 00:15:05,726 Take your seat and shut your mouth. 371 00:15:07,518 --> 00:15:08,595 Fine. 372 00:15:09,732 --> 00:15:11,164 I will take my seat 373 00:15:11,188 --> 00:15:14,299 and I will shut my mouth, but I promise you, 374 00:15:14,323 --> 00:15:16,136 tomorrow morning I am filing charges 375 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,971 with the Judicial Board of Review, 376 00:15:17,995 --> 00:15:20,090 and citing your... your infantile behavior 377 00:15:20,127 --> 00:15:21,814 and your willful disregard 378 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:22,880 for my rights! 379 00:15:22,904 --> 00:15:24,311 You were warned. 380 00:15:24,335 --> 00:15:26,847 I'm finding you in contempt of court. 381 00:15:26,871 --> 00:15:30,173 Marshal, take her into custody. 382 00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:10,204 Thank you for bailing me out. 383 00:16:10,912 --> 00:16:13,040 I know I should have exercised better judgment 384 00:16:13,064 --> 00:16:15,042 with regards to my behavior, 385 00:16:15,066 --> 00:16:17,044 but I hope you can both appreciate 386 00:16:17,068 --> 00:16:19,113 that I am right on the issues, 387 00:16:19,137 --> 00:16:20,948 on the principles involved. 388 00:16:20,972 --> 00:16:22,149 I want desperately to believe 389 00:16:22,173 --> 00:16:23,651 that you're not really that naive. 390 00:16:23,675 --> 00:16:25,453 Huh, wow, Dr. Bull. 391 00:16:25,477 --> 00:16:27,288 Tell me what you really think. 392 00:16:27,312 --> 00:16:29,156 Do you realize what you've done? 393 00:16:29,180 --> 00:16:31,492 The self-inflicted damage that you've caused 394 00:16:31,516 --> 00:16:32,960 by pulling that stunt? 395 00:16:32,984 --> 00:16:34,629 You want to go to prison? 396 00:16:34,653 --> 00:16:36,063 No. Of course not. 397 00:16:36,087 --> 00:16:38,430 You have to understand it didn't help your cause 398 00:16:38,454 --> 00:16:40,935 for the jury to see you ushered out of the courtroom 399 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:42,870 in handcuffs like that. 400 00:16:42,894 --> 00:16:45,729 That alone is a huge setback for us. 401 00:16:46,831 --> 00:16:49,377 I don't disagree. But they also saw 402 00:16:49,401 --> 00:16:52,113 a person stand up for herself and really... 403 00:16:52,137 --> 00:16:53,481 Oh, come on. Look, 404 00:16:53,505 --> 00:16:55,449 I respect that you're a person of principle. 405 00:16:55,473 --> 00:16:57,118 That's why I took you on as a client. 406 00:16:57,142 --> 00:16:58,986 But... 407 00:16:59,010 --> 00:17:01,355 You completely destroyed our narrative in there. 408 00:17:01,379 --> 00:17:03,024 We are trying to convince the jury 409 00:17:03,048 --> 00:17:05,726 that you let a woman escape federal custody 410 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:08,165 because you believe in the sanctity 411 00:17:08,189 --> 00:17:09,165 of the courtroom. 412 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:11,666 Well, insulting a federal judge 413 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:12,800 doesn't exactly demonstrate 414 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:14,809 a belief in the sanctity of the courtroom. 415 00:17:16,352 --> 00:17:17,937 You get that, right? 416 00:17:20,732 --> 00:17:21,983 This is me. 417 00:17:25,152 --> 00:17:26,313 Okay. 418 00:17:26,337 --> 00:17:28,208 Tomorrow, let's try something different. 419 00:17:28,232 --> 00:17:30,451 You play the part of the defendant, 420 00:17:30,475 --> 00:17:31,886 we'll play the part of your legal team, 421 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:34,121 and we'll let the judge be the judge. 422 00:17:34,145 --> 00:17:35,890 What do you say? 423 00:17:36,622 --> 00:17:38,916 I'll certainly try my best. 424 00:17:41,673 --> 00:17:42,963 That would be appreciated. 425 00:17:44,189 --> 00:17:46,008 Agent Mercier, 426 00:17:46,032 --> 00:17:48,235 could you describe what happened when you went 427 00:17:48,259 --> 00:17:50,004 into the defendant's courtroom to effect 428 00:17:50,028 --> 00:17:52,139 - a lawful arrest? - Well, the defendant 429 00:17:52,163 --> 00:17:54,775 came out of her chambers and essentially admitted 430 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:57,211 that she purposely aided in the nurse's escape. 431 00:17:57,235 --> 00:17:58,879 Wow. 432 00:17:58,903 --> 00:18:00,810 And what were the repercussions of that? 433 00:18:00,834 --> 00:18:03,684 Well, the most significant was we lost our suspect. 434 00:18:04,066 --> 00:18:05,668 The nurse, Ms. Jansen. 435 00:18:05,692 --> 00:18:07,408 And do we have any idea where she is right now? 436 00:18:07,432 --> 00:18:09,824 We're not certain, but we believe she fled to Canada. 437 00:18:09,848 --> 00:18:13,861 And I assume the Bureau has made attempts to locate her? 438 00:18:13,885 --> 00:18:15,161 Several. 439 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,996 I have nothing further. 440 00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:19,934 How red is it? 441 00:18:20,098 --> 00:18:23,367 It is as red as red can be. 442 00:18:25,588 --> 00:18:26,940 Agent Mercier, 443 00:18:26,964 --> 00:18:29,210 thank you for testifying here today. 444 00:18:29,234 --> 00:18:30,878 Now... 445 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:33,547 would it be fair to say that you, 446 00:18:33,571 --> 00:18:35,883 a federal agent, 447 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:37,551 entered my client's courtroom, 448 00:18:37,575 --> 00:18:39,553 a New York State courtroom, 449 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:42,223 for the sole purpose of arresting a witness? 450 00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:44,825 Yes. We've made no secret about that fact. 451 00:18:44,849 --> 00:18:47,428 That's precisely what we were there to do. 452 00:18:47,452 --> 00:18:49,764 And you don't think there's anything amiss in that? 453 00:18:49,788 --> 00:18:52,199 Course not. As you well know, 454 00:18:52,223 --> 00:18:55,169 assisting in an act of suicide is a federal crime. 455 00:18:55,193 --> 00:18:58,038 Once we heard that the nurse was going to testify, 456 00:18:58,062 --> 00:19:00,374 once we realized that she was probably going to confess 457 00:19:00,398 --> 00:19:03,010 on the stand, we felt we had no choice 458 00:19:03,034 --> 00:19:04,900 but to be there and take her into custody. 459 00:19:04,924 --> 00:19:07,448 Really? Agent Mercier, are you familiar 460 00:19:07,472 --> 00:19:10,451 with the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution? 461 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:14,221 "The powers" not delegated to the United States 462 00:19:14,245 --> 00:19:15,689 "by the Constitution, 463 00:19:15,713 --> 00:19:18,359 "nor prohibited by it to the States, 464 00:19:18,383 --> 00:19:21,796 "are reserved to the States respectively, 465 00:19:22,019 --> 00:19:23,521 or to the people." 466 00:19:24,495 --> 00:19:26,496 You know what that means? 467 00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:33,607 Well, it means that federal law enforcement 468 00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:37,144 are not allowed to recklessly interfere 469 00:19:37,168 --> 00:19:39,094 with the functions of state court. 470 00:19:39,118 --> 00:19:42,283 Objection. Agent Mercier isn't on trial. 471 00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:43,851 And it isn't Mr. Colón's job 472 00:19:43,875 --> 00:19:45,443 to lecture us on the Constitution. 473 00:19:45,467 --> 00:19:48,098 I was getting to the question, Your Honor. 474 00:19:48,122 --> 00:19:50,681 - Then ask it, please. - Yes, sir. 475 00:19:52,016 --> 00:19:57,464 Now, you are a federal law enforcement agent, sir. 476 00:19:57,488 --> 00:19:59,333 Sworn to uphold the Constitution. 477 00:19:59,357 --> 00:20:01,769 Now, wouldn't you agree that state court judges 478 00:20:01,793 --> 00:20:04,238 have a solemn duty to protect witnesses 479 00:20:04,262 --> 00:20:06,140 and victims in their courtrooms? 480 00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:09,250 A duty guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment? 481 00:20:09,274 --> 00:20:11,345 Well, I'm not a constitutional scholar, sir, 482 00:20:11,369 --> 00:20:13,788 but yes, that sounds about right. 483 00:20:13,812 --> 00:20:16,350 And would it surprise you to know that the trial 484 00:20:16,374 --> 00:20:19,587 that you interrupted was declared a mistrial 485 00:20:19,611 --> 00:20:21,856 and cost the taxpayers a lot of money? 486 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,490 No, I didn't know that. 487 00:20:23,514 --> 00:20:26,293 Sounds to me like you're the one who violated the law 488 00:20:26,317 --> 00:20:28,397 and obstructed justice. 489 00:20:28,421 --> 00:20:31,365 Maybe you're the one who should be sitting at the defense table, 490 00:20:31,389 --> 00:20:33,400 and Judge Duggan should be the key witness against you. 491 00:20:33,424 --> 00:20:35,135 Not the other way around. 492 00:20:35,159 --> 00:20:36,485 No further questions, Your Honor. 493 00:20:39,889 --> 00:20:41,375 Thank you, Mr. Colón. 494 00:20:41,399 --> 00:20:42,877 Nice job, sir. 495 00:20:42,901 --> 00:20:45,112 All part of the service. 496 00:20:45,136 --> 00:20:46,814 Well, this seems good a place 497 00:20:46,838 --> 00:20:49,216 as any to stop for lunch, so... 498 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,400 court will resume in an hour. 499 00:20:52,243 --> 00:20:54,311 All right. 500 00:21:00,018 --> 00:21:02,730 It's, uh, an updated witness list. 501 00:21:02,754 --> 00:21:04,531 Debra Jansen? The nurse? 502 00:21:04,555 --> 00:21:05,933 They found her? 503 00:21:05,957 --> 00:21:09,336 I'm sensing this is not good for the home team. 504 00:21:09,627 --> 00:21:10,838 Nurse Jansen, 505 00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:13,841 please tell us how you came to be a fugitive from justice. 506 00:21:13,865 --> 00:21:17,067 Well, I was in Judge Duggan's courtroom 507 00:21:17,091 --> 00:21:18,212 testifying, 508 00:21:18,236 --> 00:21:21,415 and I guess these two FBI agents came in. 509 00:21:21,439 --> 00:21:23,951 I didn't really notice at the time. 510 00:21:23,975 --> 00:21:26,053 But when I was done testifying, 511 00:21:26,077 --> 00:21:28,088 the judge had me come back to her office. 512 00:21:28,479 --> 00:21:30,357 That's when she told me she was pretty sure 513 00:21:30,381 --> 00:21:32,358 they were there to arrest me. 514 00:21:32,984 --> 00:21:36,030 Anyway, I asked the judge. 515 00:21:36,054 --> 00:21:37,631 I told her I wanted to call a lawyer, 516 00:21:37,655 --> 00:21:38,632 get some help. 517 00:21:38,656 --> 00:21:39,867 And did you do that? 518 00:21:39,891 --> 00:21:41,869 The judge wouldn't let me. 519 00:21:41,893 --> 00:21:43,938 She said there was no time for phone calls. 520 00:21:43,962 --> 00:21:47,041 So it was the defendant's idea 521 00:21:47,065 --> 00:21:48,749 for you to flee? 522 00:21:49,567 --> 00:21:50,878 Yes. 523 00:21:50,902 --> 00:21:53,881 She told me I should just run, 524 00:21:53,905 --> 00:21:56,799 as far as I could, as fast as I could. 525 00:21:58,643 --> 00:22:00,154 That is not what happened. 526 00:22:00,178 --> 00:22:01,155 Lower your voice. 527 00:22:01,179 --> 00:22:02,222 So, 528 00:22:02,246 --> 00:22:03,557 that's what you did? 529 00:22:03,581 --> 00:22:05,159 She was the judge. 530 00:22:05,683 --> 00:22:07,628 I did what I was told. 531 00:22:07,652 --> 00:22:09,096 Grabbed my kids, 532 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,605 jumped in my car and drove to Quebec. 533 00:22:12,562 --> 00:22:14,096 Your witness. 534 00:22:17,528 --> 00:22:19,306 So, evading the law... 535 00:22:19,330 --> 00:22:22,409 that's something you decided to do on your own. 536 00:22:22,433 --> 00:22:24,445 She told me to run, 537 00:22:24,469 --> 00:22:25,512 and I did. 538 00:22:25,536 --> 00:22:26,747 "Run"? 539 00:22:26,771 --> 00:22:28,682 You sure that's the word she used? 540 00:22:28,706 --> 00:22:30,484 - I'm sure. - Hmm. 541 00:22:30,508 --> 00:22:32,419 You sure she didn't say, 542 00:22:32,443 --> 00:22:35,055 "Go to some place safe and call a lawyer 543 00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:36,623 "and come up with a plan, 544 00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:39,960 "so that when federal agents do eventually come and arrest you, 545 00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,129 you've got your ducks in a row"? 546 00:22:42,595 --> 00:22:44,031 She told me to run. 547 00:22:44,055 --> 00:22:45,934 All right. Let's review. 548 00:22:46,657 --> 00:22:51,238 So, you escaped prosecution in the assisted suicide case 549 00:22:51,262 --> 00:22:53,173 by flipping on the doctor. 550 00:22:53,197 --> 00:22:54,285 Do I have that right? 551 00:22:54,309 --> 00:22:56,276 I was subpoenaed to testify against him. 552 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:57,333 So I did. 553 00:22:57,357 --> 00:23:00,147 And now you're trying to curry favor with the Feds 554 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:02,516 by turning on the one person who was trying to help you. 555 00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:04,240 I'm just trying to tell the truth. 556 00:23:04,264 --> 00:23:07,332 Oh, no. You are trying to save yourself from prison. 557 00:23:07,356 --> 00:23:08,465 Objection. 558 00:23:08,489 --> 00:23:10,965 Sustained. Ask a question. 559 00:23:11,373 --> 00:23:13,527 You cut a deal with the Feds, didn't you? 560 00:23:14,001 --> 00:23:16,163 I entered into a plea agreement with the prosecutor. 561 00:23:16,187 --> 00:23:17,949 Right, right. 562 00:23:17,979 --> 00:23:19,433 And part of that agreement 563 00:23:19,457 --> 00:23:21,101 required for you to testify 564 00:23:21,125 --> 00:23:24,123 against the one person who was looking out for you, 565 00:23:24,148 --> 00:23:27,341 the one person who advised you to get a lawyer first 566 00:23:27,365 --> 00:23:28,809 and then surrender to authorities, 567 00:23:28,833 --> 00:23:32,413 the one person whose only intent in all this 568 00:23:32,437 --> 00:23:33,414 was to help you. 569 00:23:33,438 --> 00:23:35,816 I don't know what her intent was. 570 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,618 But she sure seemed happy 571 00:23:37,642 --> 00:23:39,625 to be sticking it to the FBI agents. 572 00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:40,954 Oh, come on. 573 00:23:40,978 --> 00:23:42,156 You don't know that. 574 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:43,308 Sure, I do. 575 00:23:43,332 --> 00:23:44,625 When the A.D.A. left 576 00:23:44,649 --> 00:23:46,226 and I was alone with Judge Duggan, 577 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,328 she called the Feds "feebs." 578 00:23:49,036 --> 00:23:51,398 She said, "Those feebs, 579 00:23:51,422 --> 00:23:53,667 "they think they're God, but they're not. 580 00:23:53,691 --> 00:23:56,511 In this courtroom, I'm God." 581 00:23:58,896 --> 00:23:59,873 She's lying. 582 00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:01,241 I would never say such a thing. 583 00:24:01,265 --> 00:24:02,342 I believe you. 584 00:24:02,366 --> 00:24:05,102 Unfortunately, my vote doesn't count. 585 00:24:07,674 --> 00:24:11,458 Judge Duggan, since the start of this trial, 586 00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:14,329 people have been sitting in the chair you're sitting in 587 00:24:14,353 --> 00:24:18,498 right now and they've painted a pretty damning picture of you. 588 00:24:18,522 --> 00:24:20,275 So here's my question. 589 00:24:21,026 --> 00:24:24,472 Is any of what Nurse Jansen said true? 590 00:24:24,496 --> 00:24:26,808 Did you intentionally obstruct justice? 591 00:24:26,832 --> 00:24:29,811 Were you flexing your power and your muscle 592 00:24:29,835 --> 00:24:31,379 and sending a message? 593 00:24:31,403 --> 00:24:34,382 Or is Ms. Jansen simply lying? 594 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:38,319 Well, whether or not someone is lying is for the jury to decide. 595 00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:40,889 But I remember it quite differently. 596 00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:44,425 I admit I let Ms. Jansen leave out the back door. 597 00:24:44,758 --> 00:24:47,161 But I promise you it wasn't out of spite 598 00:24:47,185 --> 00:24:49,564 or because I have some sort of god complex. 599 00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:53,401 Well, then help us understand why you did it. 600 00:24:53,425 --> 00:24:56,687 I did it to protect the integrity of the process. 601 00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:59,982 You have to understand... this is it for me. 602 00:25:00,607 --> 00:25:02,377 The law is my life. 603 00:25:02,901 --> 00:25:05,713 I eat, sleep and breathe it. 604 00:25:05,737 --> 00:25:07,048 I'm not married. 605 00:25:07,072 --> 00:25:08,783 I don't have any children. 606 00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:10,742 I don't even have any hobbies. 607 00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:13,521 The courtroom is my home. 608 00:25:13,545 --> 00:25:16,524 The people who pass through here are my guests. 609 00:25:16,957 --> 00:25:19,376 And the people who work there are my family. 610 00:25:20,335 --> 00:25:21,963 From the time I was a child, 611 00:25:21,987 --> 00:25:23,831 all I ever wanted to be was a judge. 612 00:25:23,855 --> 00:25:24,899 Other kids had 613 00:25:24,923 --> 00:25:28,369 astronauts or sports stars as their heroes. 614 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,439 I had a big poster of Justice Thurgood Marshall 615 00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:33,107 - above my bed. - Mm. 616 00:25:33,974 --> 00:25:36,444 I believe in the justice system. 617 00:25:36,468 --> 00:25:38,103 I revere it. 618 00:25:39,021 --> 00:25:41,382 But I also know how fragile it is. 619 00:25:41,406 --> 00:25:44,385 You tell people they have something to fear by testifying, 620 00:25:44,409 --> 00:25:46,487 they will stop testifying. 621 00:25:47,446 --> 00:25:49,924 And if that happens, in my opinion, 622 00:25:50,282 --> 00:25:52,460 that is the end of a civilized society. 623 00:25:56,205 --> 00:25:58,066 Marissa, please tell me this is making 624 00:25:58,090 --> 00:25:59,400 a difference. 625 00:25:59,424 --> 00:26:01,919 Well, we just got our first green. 626 00:26:02,961 --> 00:26:04,277 So, 627 00:26:04,301 --> 00:26:05,839 just to be clear, 628 00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:09,043 why exactly did you allow Nurse Jansen 629 00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:11,779 to leave via the back door in the courthouse 630 00:26:11,803 --> 00:26:15,283 when you knew federal agents were waiting in your courtroom 631 00:26:15,307 --> 00:26:16,284 to arrest her? 632 00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:17,819 So she could get an attorney. 633 00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,821 So she could have someone on her side 634 00:26:19,845 --> 00:26:22,290 when she surrendered to the authorities. 635 00:26:22,773 --> 00:26:25,360 She came into my courtroom thinking she was safe. 636 00:26:25,859 --> 00:26:29,230 She made a deal with the A.D.A. that she would testify 637 00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:32,199 in return for her promise that she wouldn't be prosecuted. 638 00:26:33,116 --> 00:26:35,103 Unfortunately, the district attorney failed 639 00:26:35,127 --> 00:26:36,637 to run the deal by the Feds, 640 00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,973 so they felt they were under no obligation 641 00:26:38,997 --> 00:26:40,374 to abide by it. 642 00:26:40,618 --> 00:26:42,410 And you felt that was unfair? 643 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:43,811 I felt the state prosecutor 644 00:26:43,835 --> 00:26:46,214 put her and me in a terrible position. 645 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:48,950 When she found out the Feds were there to arrest her, 646 00:26:48,974 --> 00:26:50,485 she was crying. 647 00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:52,420 She was worried about her children. 648 00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:55,472 So you never instructed her to flee the country? 649 00:26:55,954 --> 00:26:59,100 That would make me an accessory to a federal crime. 650 00:26:59,935 --> 00:27:02,530 I took an oath to uphold the law, 651 00:27:02,554 --> 00:27:03,865 not violate it. 652 00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:05,482 Thank you. 653 00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:07,818 That's all I have, Your Honor. 654 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:19,162 So, let me be certain that I understand. 655 00:27:20,122 --> 00:27:23,651 You just testified that you're totally committed to the law, 656 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:27,388 that your sole interest, your only interest, 657 00:27:27,412 --> 00:27:29,791 is the pursuit of justice. 658 00:27:29,815 --> 00:27:30,925 Is that correct? 659 00:27:30,949 --> 00:27:33,255 - Yes. - So, in a sense, 660 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,029 the work that you do... 661 00:27:35,053 --> 00:27:37,398 tweeting out your messages about the court system, 662 00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:39,867 advising a witness in your courtroom to seek counsel 663 00:27:39,891 --> 00:27:41,269 before she can be arrested... 664 00:27:41,293 --> 00:27:43,738 that's all... altruistic? 665 00:27:43,762 --> 00:27:46,074 I mean, there's nothing in it for you. 666 00:27:46,098 --> 00:27:49,010 Y-You're not seeking notoriety or fame, 667 00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:50,478 - are you? - No. 668 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:52,814 If fame or notoriety is a by-product 669 00:27:52,838 --> 00:27:55,616 of getting people excited about the judicial system, 670 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,020 then so be it. But, no, it is not my goal. 671 00:27:59,044 --> 00:28:01,371 You're just a humble, honest... 672 00:28:02,164 --> 00:28:04,792 down-to-earth state court judge. 673 00:28:04,816 --> 00:28:06,694 I like to think so. Yes. 674 00:28:06,718 --> 00:28:09,338 Well, thank you for your honesty. 675 00:28:10,714 --> 00:28:12,166 Nothing further. 676 00:28:16,561 --> 00:28:18,115 What in the world was that about? 677 00:28:18,139 --> 00:28:20,641 Well, whatever it was, it didn't work. 678 00:28:20,665 --> 00:28:22,944 It just keeps getting greener and greener 679 00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:23,894 in here. 680 00:28:24,582 --> 00:28:26,447 Anything else from either side? 681 00:28:26,471 --> 00:28:28,783 Um, not at this time, Your Honor. 682 00:28:28,807 --> 00:28:30,151 The defense rests. 683 00:28:30,175 --> 00:28:31,819 Your Honor, if the defense 684 00:28:31,843 --> 00:28:33,221 is done with their presentation, 685 00:28:33,245 --> 00:28:35,556 the government would like to call a rebuttal witness. 686 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,199 Of course you would. 687 00:28:37,545 --> 00:28:39,527 Please tell us your name and occupation. 688 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:40,695 My name is Jake Monroe. 689 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:42,530 I'm in the entertainment business. 690 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:45,566 Uh, artist representative. 691 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:46,654 Talent agent. 692 00:28:46,678 --> 00:28:49,102 So you represent TV stars? Actors and actresses? 693 00:28:49,126 --> 00:28:51,005 Well, the vast majority of my business is 694 00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:53,474 in what's called nonfiction television. 695 00:28:53,498 --> 00:28:56,277 - Uh, reality television. - I see. 696 00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:58,801 And are you familiar with the defendant? 697 00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:01,516 Uh, I am. She and I actually had 698 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:03,451 a number of discussions about the possibility 699 00:29:03,475 --> 00:29:05,186 of her getting into television. 700 00:29:06,845 --> 00:29:08,623 Is this true? You have an agent? 701 00:29:08,647 --> 00:29:09,891 How did we not know this? 702 00:29:09,915 --> 00:29:11,429 No. I've never had an agent. 703 00:29:11,453 --> 00:29:14,479 He invited me to lunch. Twice. That's it. 704 00:29:14,503 --> 00:29:16,312 I'm confused. Why would 705 00:29:16,336 --> 00:29:18,067 a state judge need a talent agent? 706 00:29:18,091 --> 00:29:20,001 She was elected to office. She has a job. 707 00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:24,238 Well, courtroom shows are a very lucrative, uh, staple 708 00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:25,980 of daytime television. 709 00:29:26,004 --> 00:29:28,276 I read about Judge Duggan in the papers, 710 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,076 uh, started to follow her Twitter account. 711 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:32,659 And I've genuinely come to believe 712 00:29:32,683 --> 00:29:34,253 that she could be the next Judge Judy. 713 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:35,973 Excuse me, Judge who? 714 00:29:35,997 --> 00:29:38,819 Judge Judy. Very successful. 715 00:29:38,843 --> 00:29:41,055 But she's starting to age out of the job. 716 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,554 It's hard not to imagine that someone like Judge Duggan, 717 00:29:43,578 --> 00:29:47,128 or someone like her, is a potential successor. 718 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:50,009 So you think she could be a television judge? 719 00:29:50,033 --> 00:29:51,368 I do. 720 00:29:51,392 --> 00:29:53,901 I mean, look at her. She's beautiful, 721 00:29:53,925 --> 00:29:55,378 charismatic. 722 00:29:55,402 --> 00:29:58,508 She's positioned herself well. She already has a following. 723 00:29:58,532 --> 00:30:01,175 You're talking about all the-the tweeting, 724 00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:03,329 posting, social media. 725 00:30:03,353 --> 00:30:04,793 Objection, Your Honor. 726 00:30:04,817 --> 00:30:06,380 Counsel is leading the witness. 727 00:30:06,404 --> 00:30:08,390 - Sustained. - That's fine. 728 00:30:08,414 --> 00:30:10,585 I have nothing further, Your Honor. 729 00:30:14,012 --> 00:30:16,483 Did Taylor see anything about this on social media? 730 00:30:16,507 --> 00:30:19,360 Taylor looked through every post, tweet, blog and hashtag... 731 00:30:19,384 --> 00:30:20,928 With a fine-tooth comb, and there's nothing 732 00:30:20,952 --> 00:30:23,554 about an agent, nothing about television. 733 00:30:25,271 --> 00:30:27,268 Did you actually sign any kind of agreement 734 00:30:27,292 --> 00:30:28,603 - with this guy? - No. 735 00:30:28,627 --> 00:30:30,037 Of course not. 736 00:30:30,061 --> 00:30:32,043 He told me he wanted to make me a star. 737 00:30:32,067 --> 00:30:34,771 I laughed and picked his brain about social media. 738 00:30:34,795 --> 00:30:36,426 Are you ready to cross-examine, Counselor? 739 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:38,535 Yes, I am, Your Honor. 740 00:30:40,197 --> 00:30:41,496 Mr. Monroe, 741 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,042 yes or no question: 742 00:30:43,066 --> 00:30:45,274 did my client sign a contract with you? 743 00:30:45,298 --> 00:30:47,421 Uh, on paper, no. 744 00:30:47,445 --> 00:30:49,090 But we had an understanding, 745 00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:50,858 which is a fairly typical way of doing things 746 00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:52,026 in the entertainment business. 747 00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:54,078 And when the two of you first met, 748 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:55,563 who initiated the meeting? 749 00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,480 Did she call you, or did you call her? 750 00:30:57,504 --> 00:30:59,617 Uh, I initiated. I called her. 751 00:30:59,641 --> 00:31:03,070 So this was all about an idea you had. 752 00:31:03,094 --> 00:31:05,740 Point of fact, my client never authorized you 753 00:31:05,764 --> 00:31:08,542 to seek any television opportunities on her behalf. 754 00:31:08,566 --> 00:31:10,019 Isn't that true? 755 00:31:10,043 --> 00:31:11,812 No, I don't believe it is. 756 00:31:11,836 --> 00:31:14,248 Look, I do this for a living. 757 00:31:14,272 --> 00:31:15,994 Yes, she was playing hard to get. 758 00:31:16,018 --> 00:31:18,777 She never actually said, "Go do this for me." 759 00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:21,655 But we had lunch twice. 760 00:31:21,913 --> 00:31:23,591 And you don't come back a second time 761 00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:25,893 unless you heard something you liked the first time. 762 00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:32,582 We have lost all but one of our greens. 763 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,193 Come on, Benny. 764 00:31:36,217 --> 00:31:37,587 You admit... 765 00:31:39,097 --> 00:31:42,843 my client has no agreement in place with you? 766 00:31:42,867 --> 00:31:44,912 Verbal or written. Yes or no? 767 00:31:44,936 --> 00:31:47,782 - No, we have no agreement. - And the fact is, 768 00:31:47,806 --> 00:31:51,197 while you may be looking for a television opportunity for her, 769 00:31:51,221 --> 00:31:53,842 none of it is being done at her behest... true? 770 00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:55,276 True. 771 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,565 Maybe she was saying what she meant. 772 00:31:58,022 --> 00:32:00,800 Maybe she wasn't interested in you... or TV. 773 00:32:00,825 --> 00:32:02,913 Objection. Counsel is testifying. 774 00:32:02,938 --> 00:32:05,474 - Ask a question. - Okay. All right. 775 00:32:05,499 --> 00:32:07,075 Here's a question. 776 00:32:08,226 --> 00:32:09,704 What's your motive here? 777 00:32:09,995 --> 00:32:12,289 This all about sour grapes? 778 00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:15,395 Because if you believe in Judge Duggan, 779 00:32:15,419 --> 00:32:19,352 if you believe, like I do, that her passion for the law, 780 00:32:19,376 --> 00:32:22,208 her sense of integrity, her ability to communicate 781 00:32:22,232 --> 00:32:24,778 what makes our system of justice so special 782 00:32:24,802 --> 00:32:27,213 is in fact what makes her special, 783 00:32:27,237 --> 00:32:29,149 then what are you hoping to accomplish 784 00:32:29,173 --> 00:32:32,318 by coming in here and casting aspersions against her? 785 00:32:32,342 --> 00:32:34,487 You know, if this jury finds her guilty, 786 00:32:34,511 --> 00:32:37,157 not only will she be done as a judge, 787 00:32:37,181 --> 00:32:40,894 but you won't be able to sell her to television. 788 00:32:41,192 --> 00:32:45,031 After all, who wants a judge that's been found guilty 789 00:32:45,055 --> 00:32:47,033 of obstructing justice? 790 00:32:47,949 --> 00:32:49,335 Everybody. 791 00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:51,271 I mean, this woman is on the cusp 792 00:32:51,295 --> 00:32:52,912 of being a folk hero. 793 00:32:53,323 --> 00:32:56,469 She helped a regular citizen escape the clutches of the FBI. 794 00:32:57,796 --> 00:32:59,307 This is America. 795 00:32:59,332 --> 00:33:02,278 We look up to people with a touch of badass in them. 796 00:33:02,406 --> 00:33:05,218 And, if I'm being completely honest, 797 00:33:05,242 --> 00:33:07,420 she's an easier sell if she loses this thing 798 00:33:07,444 --> 00:33:09,155 than if she wins. 799 00:33:09,512 --> 00:33:11,391 That's just the truth. 800 00:33:12,983 --> 00:33:14,994 Tell me they know better. 801 00:33:15,018 --> 00:33:16,896 Tell me they can see through his cynicism. 802 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,433 They know better. They can see through his cynicism. 803 00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:22,769 Mr. Colón, 804 00:33:22,793 --> 00:33:24,771 do you have anything else for this witness? 805 00:33:25,445 --> 00:33:27,990 Nothing I can say in court, Your Honor. 806 00:33:28,014 --> 00:33:29,997 _ 807 00:33:30,021 --> 00:33:32,327 Will the defendant please rise? 808 00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:39,385 Madam Foreperson, have you reached a verdict? 809 00:33:40,251 --> 00:33:41,628 We have, Your Honor. 810 00:33:42,827 --> 00:33:46,467 We, the jury, find the defendant guilty on all counts. 811 00:33:47,014 --> 00:33:49,890 Your Honor, the United States moves for sentencing. 812 00:33:49,914 --> 00:33:51,564 Put sentencing over to next week. 813 00:33:51,588 --> 00:33:54,767 - Why? We're just delaying the inevitable. - Not necessarily. 814 00:33:54,791 --> 00:33:56,586 She's right. It's over, Bull. 815 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:58,150 I asked you to do something. 816 00:33:58,174 --> 00:33:59,896 Is the defense ready for sentencing? 817 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,310 No, Your Honor. 818 00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:07,680 We'd like a few days so I can prepare my arguments, 819 00:34:07,704 --> 00:34:09,614 and my client can get her affairs in order. 820 00:34:14,207 --> 00:34:16,442 You can respect the process, 821 00:34:16,466 --> 00:34:18,454 and still not agree with the outcome. 822 00:34:19,097 --> 00:34:20,330 And I don't. 823 00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:24,137 So here are my two cents. 824 00:34:25,422 --> 00:34:26,907 I think you're exactly the kind of judge 825 00:34:26,931 --> 00:34:28,909 we need on the bench. 826 00:34:29,717 --> 00:34:31,136 I mean it. 827 00:34:31,702 --> 00:34:33,680 You're smart and fair. 828 00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:35,682 You treat everyone with respect. 829 00:34:36,674 --> 00:34:38,621 And you seem determined to 830 00:34:39,453 --> 00:34:42,122 breathe life into an otherwise stodgy institution. 831 00:34:42,146 --> 00:34:45,726 Not to mention you make people actually want to be here. 832 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:47,986 You have any idea what a feat that is? 833 00:34:49,032 --> 00:34:50,699 So I'm not giving up. 834 00:34:51,884 --> 00:34:53,233 There's got to be some common ground. 835 00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:54,501 You're both judges. 836 00:34:54,525 --> 00:34:56,503 And you're both stubborn. 837 00:34:56,527 --> 00:34:58,438 You're both committed to your work. 838 00:34:58,462 --> 00:35:01,908 It doesn't matter. He has it in for me. 839 00:35:01,932 --> 00:35:04,878 Let's not forget he locked me up for contempt. 840 00:35:04,902 --> 00:35:06,796 Because you violated his rules. 841 00:35:08,047 --> 00:35:09,516 That's right. You spoke out of turn, 842 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:11,918 and Judge Hollingsworth did something about it. 843 00:35:11,942 --> 00:35:14,221 He exercised his judicial discretion. 844 00:35:14,245 --> 00:35:15,756 And when you stop and think about it, 845 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:18,225 he believes in judicial sovereignty, 846 00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:20,060 which is kind of another way of saying 847 00:35:20,084 --> 00:35:22,937 he believes in the sanctity of the courtroom. 848 00:35:24,055 --> 00:35:25,899 Does that remind you of anyone? 849 00:35:27,317 --> 00:35:29,403 Are both parties prepared to make their arguments 850 00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:30,928 on sentencing? 851 00:35:30,952 --> 00:35:33,774 Actually, we'd like to call a witness, Your Honor. 852 00:35:33,798 --> 00:35:35,453 We'd like to call James Wheeler. 853 00:35:35,477 --> 00:35:37,714 Objection. We haven't been given notice. 854 00:35:37,738 --> 00:35:39,317 This is the first we've heard of this witness. 855 00:35:39,341 --> 00:35:41,145 Well, as counsel well knows, 856 00:35:41,169 --> 00:35:44,785 the rules of discovery don't apply in sentencing hearings. 857 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:46,586 No notice is required. 858 00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:49,774 I agree. Let's hear from Mr. Wheeler. 859 00:35:49,798 --> 00:35:51,758 I'm gonna get right to it, Mr. Wheeler. 860 00:35:51,782 --> 00:35:53,326 You are no stranger 861 00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:56,196 to the criminal justice system, are you? 862 00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:58,642 No, I'm sorry to say I'm not. 863 00:35:58,666 --> 00:36:01,668 You have been convicted of a crime, haven't you? 864 00:36:02,852 --> 00:36:04,705 Yes. When I was a teenager, 865 00:36:04,729 --> 00:36:07,140 I-I was a member of a gang, 866 00:36:07,164 --> 00:36:10,811 and I... we got into trouble, yes. 867 00:36:11,611 --> 00:36:14,489 Five years ago, did you rob a liquor store? 868 00:36:15,048 --> 00:36:16,069 I did. 869 00:36:16,616 --> 00:36:19,507 Four of us went in, and one of the guys had a gun. 870 00:36:19,531 --> 00:36:21,655 And you stood watch while he demanded money. 871 00:36:23,456 --> 00:36:25,125 Yes, I did. 872 00:36:25,959 --> 00:36:27,928 And were you prosecuted for the robbery? 873 00:36:28,378 --> 00:36:30,097 We all were. 874 00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:33,400 And everyone got sent to prison, 875 00:36:33,424 --> 00:36:35,702 ex-except me. 876 00:36:35,726 --> 00:36:37,204 - And why is that? - Your Honor, 877 00:36:37,228 --> 00:36:38,984 we all know where this is going. 878 00:36:39,008 --> 00:36:40,707 I'd like to hear from the witness. 879 00:36:41,251 --> 00:36:42,451 Continue. 880 00:36:43,701 --> 00:36:44,945 I don't know. 881 00:36:44,969 --> 00:36:46,580 I think the judge saw something in me, 882 00:36:46,604 --> 00:36:49,065 thought I-I could do something with my life. 883 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:52,286 Anyway, I got sentenced to probation. 884 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,020 And what's happened since then? 885 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,290 Well, I finished my probation. 886 00:36:57,314 --> 00:36:59,793 Haven't gotten in trouble since. 887 00:36:59,817 --> 00:37:01,561 You finish high school? 888 00:37:01,870 --> 00:37:03,063 Got my GED, 889 00:37:03,454 --> 00:37:04,865 and now I'm in college, 890 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,397 studying to be a computer programmer. 891 00:37:07,421 --> 00:37:09,970 And I-I also help out my little brother. 892 00:37:09,994 --> 00:37:12,239 He's graduating high school next year. 893 00:37:13,006 --> 00:37:14,674 So... 894 00:37:15,008 --> 00:37:17,886 the judge saw something special in you, 895 00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:20,313 gave you a break, and now 896 00:37:20,337 --> 00:37:23,750 you are a productive member of society. 897 00:37:23,774 --> 00:37:27,186 I-I like to think so, yeah. 898 00:37:28,271 --> 00:37:32,058 Mr. Wheeler, could you please look around the courtroom 899 00:37:32,082 --> 00:37:34,819 and identify that judge for us? 900 00:37:39,089 --> 00:37:40,199 Uh... 901 00:37:42,327 --> 00:37:43,570 he's sitting right here. 902 00:37:45,580 --> 00:37:47,497 Judge Hollingsworth... 903 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,178 Thank you. 904 00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:54,119 I-I know it's been a while. 905 00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:57,217 I guess you don't remember me. 906 00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:58,708 But I remember you. 907 00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:02,779 And I'll never forget what you did for me. 908 00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:07,394 Objection. That is a touching story, 909 00:38:07,418 --> 00:38:09,396 but the witness has no relevance 910 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:11,365 to the sentencing of this defendant. 911 00:38:11,814 --> 00:38:13,682 I'm sorry, I disagree. 912 00:38:14,317 --> 00:38:16,570 It's completely relevant, Your Honor. 913 00:38:16,594 --> 00:38:19,339 You know, there's a striking similarity between 914 00:38:19,363 --> 00:38:21,575 what you did for Mr. Wheeler 915 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,477 and what Judge Duggan was trying to do for Nurse Jansen. 916 00:38:25,036 --> 00:38:27,605 Now, Nurse Jansen was 917 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,316 led to believe that 918 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:33,587 what she was doing, testifying, was the right thing to do. 919 00:38:33,795 --> 00:38:36,389 Not a trap, but a solemn duty. 920 00:38:37,006 --> 00:38:38,924 And even though it might not have 921 00:38:38,948 --> 00:38:40,894 hewed to the letter of the law, 922 00:38:40,918 --> 00:38:44,030 Judge Duggan could not allow her to be arrested 923 00:38:44,054 --> 00:38:45,890 without benefit of counsel. 924 00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:51,171 Hauled off in handcuffs in front of jurors 925 00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:54,040 and members of the general public sitting in the gallery. 926 00:38:54,064 --> 00:38:55,441 No. 927 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,478 In her judicial wisdom, 928 00:38:58,861 --> 00:39:02,031 she realized there had to be another way. 929 00:39:02,439 --> 00:39:04,684 One that didn't compromise her courtroom, 930 00:39:04,708 --> 00:39:09,155 but also didn't shortchange or undercut the authority 931 00:39:09,179 --> 00:39:12,058 of the federal agents charged with bringing her in. 932 00:39:12,082 --> 00:39:14,450 Don't you see, Judge Hollingsworth? 933 00:39:16,246 --> 00:39:18,958 You did the same thing in Mr. Wheeler's case. 934 00:39:19,465 --> 00:39:22,035 You ignored the federal sentencing guidelines, 935 00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:25,572 and instead, looked to the purpose behind them. 936 00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:28,808 Which is to promote public safety 937 00:39:28,832 --> 00:39:30,377 and the good of our society. 938 00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:33,813 I mean, isn't that one of the reasons why we have judges? 939 00:39:34,471 --> 00:39:38,007 To bring their human wisdom and judgment to bear? 940 00:39:40,824 --> 00:39:41,990 Thank you, Mr. Colón. 941 00:39:44,699 --> 00:39:47,676 Mr. Olsen, do you have any evidence to present on sentencing? 942 00:39:49,178 --> 00:39:51,264 No, Your Honor. 943 00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,067 I would simply ask that you sentence the defendant 944 00:39:54,091 --> 00:39:56,378 to serve 48 months in prison. 945 00:39:56,769 --> 00:39:59,203 Mr. Colón, I'll hear your recommendation. 946 00:39:59,227 --> 00:40:02,709 Actually, Your Honor, I'm not making any recommendations. 947 00:40:03,176 --> 00:40:05,745 I'm asking you to exercise your sovereignty 948 00:40:05,769 --> 00:40:07,414 and discretion one more time. 949 00:40:08,514 --> 00:40:11,351 You have the power to right this wrong. 950 00:40:11,601 --> 00:40:13,720 You can issue a judgment of acquittal. 951 00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:16,723 You want me to set aside the jury's verdict 952 00:40:16,747 --> 00:40:18,858 and enter a finding of not guilty? 953 00:40:19,442 --> 00:40:20,660 I do. 954 00:40:21,611 --> 00:40:23,430 It's highly unusual. 955 00:40:23,454 --> 00:40:26,066 Unusual, but not unwarranted. 956 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:30,003 Judge Duggan is a principled jurist, and so are you. 957 00:40:31,078 --> 00:40:32,706 No legitimate purpose 958 00:40:32,730 --> 00:40:35,408 will be served by branding her a felon 959 00:40:35,432 --> 00:40:37,667 and sending her to prison. 960 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:53,142 Judge Duggan, please rise. 961 00:40:57,021 --> 00:40:58,888 I've made my ruling. 962 00:41:00,924 --> 00:41:03,110 I don't condone what you did, 963 00:41:03,827 --> 00:41:07,230 but I respect your reasoning. 964 00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:11,811 And I'm-I'm going to adopt Mr. Colón's request 965 00:41:12,074 --> 00:41:14,413 and issue a judgment for acquittal. 966 00:41:15,872 --> 00:41:17,049 Your Honor... 967 00:41:17,074 --> 00:41:18,418 Do not speak, Mr. Olsen, 968 00:41:18,443 --> 00:41:20,788 or I will hold you in contempt. 969 00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:22,858 I hereby 970 00:41:22,883 --> 00:41:24,828 set aside the jury's verdict, 971 00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:27,927 and I find you not guilty. 972 00:41:27,951 --> 00:41:30,154 Court is in recess. 973 00:41:37,961 --> 00:41:39,063 Hey. 974 00:41:40,064 --> 00:41:43,409 - Ah. - Look at her. 975 00:41:43,433 --> 00:41:45,311 She looks like a kid who just found out 976 00:41:45,335 --> 00:41:47,247 she doesn't have to change schools, clean out her locker 977 00:41:47,271 --> 00:41:49,931 - and leave her friends after all. - Mm. 978 00:41:49,955 --> 00:41:51,749 Of course, it's not quite over. 979 00:41:51,773 --> 00:41:55,188 She's still got to go before the Committee on Judicial Conduct. 980 00:41:55,505 --> 00:41:58,607 I'm gonna see if they'll let me testify on her behalf. 981 00:42:00,284 --> 00:42:01,628 You were right about her, Bull. 982 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:04,551 - You were right about all of it. - Yeah. 983 00:42:04,575 --> 00:42:06,066 Well, what can I say? 984 00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:09,468 She loves court, trials and juries. 985 00:42:10,386 --> 00:42:12,272 Guess it takes one to know one. 986 00:42:12,296 --> 00:42:14,107 Want to get out of here? 987 00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:16,017 Lead the way, sir. 72641

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