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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,720 Today, we're at the National Botanic Garden of Wales, in Carmarthenshire, 2 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,200 tranquil setting of woodland lakes, 3 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,480 and some spectacular plant life. 4 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,280 Centre stage is the Great Glasshouse - 5 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,680 home to rare plants from across the globe. 6 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,960 And surrounding it are many more unique gardens, 7 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,960 including a Japanese garden, 8 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,840 a walled garden, 9 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,480 and this medicinal garden. 10 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,680 Plants growing here have been prized for their healing properties 11 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,520 for hundreds of years. 12 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,200 Traditional remedies for everything from constipation to chicken pox, 13 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,360 vertigo to verrucas. 14 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,040 Later on, I'll be finding out how plants like these 15 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,680 made their way into bottles like this. 16 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,640 But for now, let's see what our visitors have brought along today. 17 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,760 It's the best history of an object I've heard in a long time. 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,720 No! You're joking! 19 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,560 I mean, it's folk art at its best. 20 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,720 The two of us, you know, by some weird coincidence, are probably 21 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,680 the people who know more about that man than anyone else in the world. 22 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,240 That's fantastic - oh, that's made me go a bit goosey, actually! 23 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,680 When did you first see it? 24 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,840 20 years ago. 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,600 In a shop? In a skip. 26 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,200 I mean, what would you do with the money? 27 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,200 Don't go there! 28 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,080 You have brought me the mother of all hen's teeth here. 29 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Oh, my goodness. Oh! 30 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,960 Fabulous! 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,520 You've made my day now. 32 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Well, here we are in the Botanic Gardens, 33 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,240 and what could be more suitable than Burne-Jones's famous Flower Book? 34 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Tell me how it came to be in your family. 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Well, Burne-Jones was a friend of my grandfather, 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:38,960 and he painted a few pictures of people in the family. 37 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,760 And my father left me that when he died. 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:43,840 Fantastic. 39 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,600 I mean, Burne-Jones, one of Britain's greatest artists. 40 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,560 In 1882, he started keeping a list of the names of plants 41 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,360 that he thought were particularly interesting, 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,000 and he was sort of assembling this list, 43 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 and as he was assembling the list, he was thinking, well, 44 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,600 "What can I dream up to illustrate these funny names?" 45 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,520 So, from 1882 to his death in the 1890s, 46 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,400 he gradually did these watercolours and things. 47 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,560 And then in 1905 they were published here, 48 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,360 in a limited edition, by his widow, 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,400 and it's an absolutely beautiful book. 50 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,680 I think that some of these flowers particularly appeal to you, don't they? 51 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,440 They do. It's because of a mixture of the name, 52 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,720 and what he's done with the name, 53 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,440 because everybody knows the Jacob's ladder flower, 54 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,440 and that's how he's illustrated it. 55 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,320 There's a very metaphorical aspect about them, isn't there? Yes. 56 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Yes. 57 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,840 And then I think there's a Morning Glory. 58 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,000 Yes, those lovely blue flowers. 59 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,080 He's done angels... Kind of in a very morningy light as well. 60 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Fiddling with clouds, sort of thing, in the morning. Exactly! 61 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,680 And this one? Meadowsweet, 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,440 which of course, is just a boringish white flower, 63 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,800 isn't it, normally? 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,760 And he's made this lovely illustration from Arthurian legend, 65 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,240 with the boat, and... 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,400 It is very Arthurian, isn't it? Yes. 67 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Well, it's one of 300 copies. Yes. 68 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,600 And they're all numbered. 69 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,040 You also have the original box it came in, which is fantastic. Yes. 70 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 And it's in this beautiful original binding as well. 71 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,640 It's a book that's extremely sought after. 72 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,280 Burne-Jones is such a famous and valuable artist in his own right. 73 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,120 I think if you were to put it into auction - 74 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,440 and several have come through auction recently - 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,080 you'd expect it to make something like £5,000. 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,520 SHE GASPS 77 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Gosh! Well, that is a surprise. 78 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,000 Thank you! 79 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,720 I'm shaking with anticipation and excitement. 80 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,760 This, I think, is an amazingly iconic collection of objects, 81 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,680 and an amazing story, too. 82 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,400 So what we have here is something that's pretty obvious. 83 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,760 JB 007, a car number plate, 84 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,880 doesn't need much explaining, does it, at the moment? 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,360 But we'll come back to that. 86 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,880 And what we have here is a bowler hat. 87 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,000 And it's the bowler hat from Goldfinger - 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,840 arguably, I think, one of the best James Bond films ever made - 89 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:13,720 that belonged to Oddjob, 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,320 Auric Goldfinger's henchman. 91 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,880 Now, that's pretty incredible. That's what I believe. 92 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Well, let's discuss that. 93 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Give me some provenance. 94 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,880 Well, my brother-in-law was the driver for Aston Martin, 95 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,760 that took the Aston Martin back and forward to Pinewood Studios. 96 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,000 Right. 97 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,400 And also was the person who picked up Sean Connery, 98 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,480 to take him, instead of him going on the bus, 99 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,080 back and forward to Pinewood Studios. 100 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,840 Really? So, what, so he went to his hotel and picked him up, 101 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:47,040 in the DB5? 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,760 Yeah, in that actual car. 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,040 That's him there. Yeah. 104 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Peter Davis, and his wife, Shirley, my sister. 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,720 OK. Well, that's a pretty amazing story. 106 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Do we know how Oddjob's hat came into his possession? 107 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,200 Well, I was a big Bond fan. 108 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,960 And my brother-in-law asked Pinewood Studio 109 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,280 if he could have one of the hats. 110 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,440 What happened was, they wouldn't allow it out of the studio 111 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,640 without taking the metal out of the top of the hat. 112 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,280 Because, of course, we all know the famous scene in the film, 113 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,400 in which Oddjob takes off his bowler, 114 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,120 he whacks it out, it spins off, 115 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,120 and he knocks the head off the statue. 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,240 So they left this, as far as I'm aware - 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,600 this is the story that I was told - 118 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,280 they left the steel in the bottom part. Yes. 119 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:41,280 So, as you can see, by the state on it, 120 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:46,760 as a young lad, everybody wanted to throw the Oddjob hat. 121 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,520 And if you look at it, everybody did throw the hat, 122 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,520 because it's absolutely in pieces, 123 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,280 because it didn't have the steel in it any more, 124 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,280 so therefore, whenever it landed... 125 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:59,000 Yeah. ..it damaged it. 126 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,480 Right, OK. 127 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,960 We can see that it's definitely a prop hat. 128 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,360 And, you know, it's an iconic part of Bond history. 129 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,960 It really, really is. 130 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,880 Now, the number plate. 131 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,960 No secret agent would have JB 007 on his number plate, would he, 132 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,040 because it would literally be a bit obvious? 133 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,960 We all know that, obviously - and there's the DB5 there... 134 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,680 With the correct number plate. 135 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,560 ..yes, with the correct number plate. 136 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,120 And I believe that probably what Aston Martin would have done was, 137 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,280 when they were using the DB5 to promote the film, 138 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,600 they would screw this number plate on to the front of it. 139 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,880 Now, listen. 140 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Many years ago, Oddjob's hat was sold in London. 141 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,160 It was, yes. 142 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,200 And there was a big kind of promotional thing 143 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,640 about it being the one and only Oddjob's hat. It was, yeah. 144 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,840 It made over £60,000. 145 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,880 Right. OK. OK? 146 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,320 Now, I really believe, 147 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,480 and having had this conversation with you, 148 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,720 and seen all of this, 149 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,320 that there was definitely more than one Oddjob's hat. 150 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Anyone knows that if you're making a movie, 151 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,840 you're going to probably have more than one 152 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,240 of this kind of prop. 153 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,720 So I'm going to talk about values. 154 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Because this, of course, has never been used in a film or anything. 155 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,240 Definitely not. It's a great plate. 156 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,680 So I think, to a real James Bond fan, 157 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,400 that this is going to be worth £4,000 to £6,000. 158 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Wow! 159 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,320 Glad I didn't lose it, then. 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,920 As for this - my gosh, you gave it a hard time. 161 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,440 You really did! 162 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,720 And...I wish it were in better condition. Me too. 163 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,440 I really do. 164 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,080 But, you know, boys will be boys! 165 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,160 £20,000 to £30,000. 166 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,600 GASPS OF SURPRISE 167 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,480 OK! 168 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,920 Right. 169 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,960 Thank you. It's all I can say! 170 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,640 To handle this item is an absolute honour for me, 171 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,400 so thank you very, very much. 172 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,240 Thank you. APPLAUSE 173 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,880 Well, obviously, what we have here is a rugby blazer and velvet cap. 174 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,640 Tell me, what do they mean to you? 175 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,600 Well, my father played for this club in 1911-14... 176 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,400 ..and he was awarded - well, all the players then were awarded 177 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 the blazer, cap and the badge. 178 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,240 So this is Ammanford RFC... Ammanford. 179 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,800 ..which is, what, 20 miles or so from here, is it? 180 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,880 It's quite close by. Ten miles? 181 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,760 And obviously their season, 182 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,160 or their three seasons, actually, 1912 to 1914, 183 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,280 they're known as probably the best team that the club has ever had 184 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,400 and they were known as the Invincibles. Invincibles. 185 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Well, obviously, we think of these velvet caps, and they're beautiful, 186 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,880 with their silver and gold bullion that they have on them. 187 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,200 And generally speaking, we think of them, really, as being very much, 188 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,000 they're either for international games or county games. Yes. 189 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,480 But I think they're also presented for teams, really, that do something 190 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,840 very exceptional, don't they? 191 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,360 This is obviously why they were awarded these caps, 192 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 which wouldn't have been... Very special. 193 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,200 Very special, absolutely. 194 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,920 And I actually have quite an interest in rugby, 195 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,720 in that my father was actually a very well-known rugby player, 196 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,160 some time after this, obviously. 197 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,240 But he actually was the captain of Maesteg... Maesteg, yes. 198 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,760 ..for the Invincibles season that they had in 1949-1950. 199 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Well, thank you so much for bringing it in. 200 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,760 It's been a great pleasure to see it. 201 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,600 Obviously it's never going to be sold, it belongs in the club. 202 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,240 But I would think that, you know, the blazer and the cap, 203 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,880 you're probably looking at maybe £200, £300, £400, 204 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,480 something like that. 205 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Well, the money is nothing. 206 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,760 Exactly. It deserves to be kept in the club. 207 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,800 It's in the club. This is in the club. 208 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Thank you so much for bringing it in. 209 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Kyffin Williams was, as you know, 210 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:10,520 one of the best loved Welsh artists of the 20th century. 211 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,320 But this isn't necessarily what you would expect in one of his pictures. 212 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,640 You might imagine a rugged Welsh landscape view, perhaps. 213 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,720 But this is a portrait. 214 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,040 So what's the story here? 215 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,880 Well, in the late '60s, my dad got a job in Bangor University. 216 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,440 We moved from Birmingham to Anglesey. 217 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,720 And I started to become interested in art, through my brother. 218 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,560 He started taking me to galleries, where I saw paintings 219 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,440 by Kyffin Williams. 220 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,680 This was the first painting I ever bought in my life. 221 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:47,640 And it was £200 to £250, somewhere between the two, I can't remember. 222 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,680 And that was in 19... Early 1970s. 223 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,760 In-between in '72 and '74, I think. 224 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,840 So this painting, we know, was painted in 1959, 225 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,880 as Kyffin Williams actually confirmed to you in a letter, 226 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,400 later on in life. 227 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,320 And we actually also know who the subject is, 228 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,680 and the subject is Ivor Roberts-Jones, 229 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,400 who was an English artist of Welsh descent, 230 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,280 but a very successful sculptor. 231 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,120 His best known work is the large bronze, this huge bronze, 232 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,800 in Parliament Square, of Churchill. 233 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,800 What a lot of people don't know about that bronze of Churchill 234 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,560 is that it wasn't, in fact, Churchill who modelled for it, 235 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:25,640 it was Kyffin Williams. 236 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,640 Kyffin Williams was the man who stood there, 237 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:28,760 in this great long coat, 238 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,960 as Ivor Roberts-Jones was busy there, making this plaster maquette, 239 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,440 which was, of course, later turned into the bronze. 240 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,520 So they were close friends, certainly, for that period. 241 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,440 He was such a good portraitist, I think. Sure. 242 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,800 I mean, he approached his subject 243 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,400 in the same way that he would a landscape. 244 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,040 I mean, all of the crevices of the face are painted out, 245 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,640 using that very thick texture, 246 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,040 using a palette knife and applied very, very heavily. 247 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,160 So actually, yeah, I really do rate him as a portrait painter. 248 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,040 So, value? 249 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,960 I think if this work were to come up at auction, 250 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,640 I would expect to see it sell for a figure 251 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,680 in the region of £10,000 to £15,000. 252 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:09,520 Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. 253 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,080 Thank you for bringing it in, and thank you for sharing the story. 254 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Yeah, cheers. 255 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,640 They say true love is meant to endure, 256 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,920 but I think it's fair to say that lots of the items and the pieces 257 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,440 produced to commemorate true love are meant to endure. 258 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,800 And here we have a marvellous Victorian Valentine's card. 259 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,560 So I take it you're a romantic person? 260 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,480 I am a romantic person, yeah. Yeah. 261 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,160 So did you buy this or...? 262 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,000 No, it was left to me by one of my aunties, 263 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,040 because I've always loved it. 264 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,360 And I just thought the poem in it is really beautiful, 265 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,720 and I read it every year on Valentine's Day. 266 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,160 You read it every year on every Valentine's Day? Yeah. 267 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,080 Just to honour their love, really. 268 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,600 I'm going to read it now, do you mind? 269 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,720 No, not at all. 270 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,720 Let's tip it out here, gently. 271 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,560 "My dearest Jeanie. 272 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,440 "I love the gentler sighing winds that murmur over the lea. 273 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,760 "I love the grandeur of the waves upon a stormy sea." 274 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,720 So sweet! It is, isn't it? 275 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,520 Valentine's cards like this really became popular in the 1800s. 276 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,320 There was, with a sort of mass production of paper, 277 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,600 hundreds of thousands of these things were being sent. 278 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Oh, right. 279 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,320 So they're not uncommon. 280 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,320 If you go looking, you can find them. 281 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 But for me, it's the detail, 282 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,120 it's the condition - look at it. 283 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,680 It is as fresh as the day it was given and received with love. 284 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,480 It's the box, but it's that poem that really does it for me. 285 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Yeah. 286 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,080 Yeah, it's really lovely, isn't it? 287 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,240 A token of love. 288 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,120 A token of £100 to £150. 289 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,400 Oh, lovely! 290 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,880 A little bit of love, here amongst the flowers. 291 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,120 Thank you very much. Thank you. 292 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,360 Wander through the Botanic Gardens, 293 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,320 and there's something intriguing around every corner. 294 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,400 I've just stepped away from the queues for a moment, 295 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,400 and come across this beautiful garden, 296 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,480 full of dahlias and snapdragons and sweet peas, 297 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,040 and the scent of the sweet peas, in particular, is just heavenly. 298 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,880 But plants aren't just to be celebrated for their beauty and smell. 299 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,600 For thousands of years, they've been used for medicinal purposes. 300 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,240 And this is the medicinal garden. 301 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Marigold Calendula officinalis 302 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,040 is the herbalist's go-to first aid plant, 303 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,160 used to reduce soreness and inflammation. 304 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,120 And Echinacea is good for wounds and burns. 305 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,520 And I love this, it's called meadowsweet - 306 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,920 you probably recognise it. 307 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,200 You see it growing all over the UK, along the roadsides in Wales. 308 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,800 And it was used to create an early form of aspirin in the 1890s. 309 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,440 Right next door to the garden is the Apothecary's Hall, 310 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,560 an old Edwardian-style pharmacy... 311 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,920 ..where plant-based potions were created 312 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,800 to the pharmacist's own formula. 313 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,760 And who better to tell me about them 314 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,600 than our very own glass specialist, Andy McConnell? 315 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,520 Shame there's no remedy for the rain! 316 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Andy, come and have a look at this. 317 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,080 I want to show you this old Edwardian pharmacy 318 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,720 that's been recreated here at the Botanic Gardens. 319 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,600 And it's all the glass I want to show you, in particular, 320 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,840 all full of these traditional remedies. 321 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,920 As soon as glass became available, the traditional substance, ceramics, 322 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,680 was jettisoned in favour of this much more practical substance 323 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,000 that was see-through, transparent, 324 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,240 so you could actually see what was in it. 325 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,960 And then, as history developed, 326 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,640 we get a progression of types. 327 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,080 So the blue glass and the green glass, 328 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,040 they're particularly significant, aren't they? 329 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,800 Well, the coloured glass meant "Don't consume it." 330 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,320 So, 18th century, we're getting blue, 331 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,440 and then...but green was cheaper. 332 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,640 And then we have a development from 1900, 333 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,520 where we have the ribbed bottle, 334 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,680 so dispensing chemists knew that these were poisonous, 335 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,280 and the blind knew they were poisonous too. 336 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,600 You could pick up your bottle, as a blind person, 337 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,920 feel the ribbing... 338 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,680 Don't drink it! 339 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,520 So it's interesting to think that chemists were prescribing poisons 340 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,680 for their patients. 341 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,040 Well, I think the essence of it was not to take too much, 342 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,800 stay to the prescription, because otherwise 343 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,440 you could end up in the cemetery even earlier than you thought. 344 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,720 Let's roll back 90 years, 345 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,040 we've gone out to the theatre, had a wonderful evening. Yeah, yeah. 346 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,680 Our chauffeur's over there. 347 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,360 He's drawn up in the limo. Right. 348 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:41,360 We jump in the back, and we say, "James, home, please." 349 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,440 And he switches on the lights. Right. 350 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,000 And what happens? Not only the lights go on... Yeah. 351 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,680 ..but the mascot lights up. Right. 352 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,040 Can you just imagine how brilliant that would have looked, 353 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,760 way back in the 1930s? Right. 354 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,760 I thought it was later than that, actually. 355 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,520 But I've always thought it was special. 356 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,400 My father had it because somebody couldn't pay for their petrol. 357 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,200 He was in the garage business, was he? 358 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,720 He ran a garage business. 359 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,200 They couldn't pay for the petrol, 360 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,800 and I believe this was left in lieu of the payment. 361 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,600 And nobody ever came back. 362 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,480 But then it sat in a drawer, 363 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,120 with all his tools, in a duster. 364 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,600 So it has survived quite a long time, yeah. 365 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,360 Well, I think what's so remarkable about it, 366 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:24,240 considering that it came off the front of a car, 367 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,240 you'd expect it to be chipped and scratched. Yeah. 368 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,400 But it's in pristine condition. Yeah. 369 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,680 After he died, I rescued it from the garage, 370 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,960 because it was in a tray of tools, 371 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,400 and that's when I wrapped it up and put it away. OK. Yeah. 372 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Well, this is the English equivalent of the French make of Lalique. 373 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,400 Lalique did a wide range of glass mascots. Right. 374 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,160 Again, they were all illuminated, 375 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,280 but again, unusual to find 376 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,240 both the mascot and the illumination together. Oh, right. 377 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,120 I just unscrewed it, and there's still a light bulb in there. 378 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,600 Really? It's a pink one. So this is the pink lady. 379 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,800 So that probably would have been pink or red. Yeah. 380 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,360 And it's called the Speed Head. 381 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:03,560 Right. 382 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,880 Because there she is, 383 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,160 she's on the front of your radiator, 384 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,840 hair streaming behind. Yeah. 385 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,000 You know, what an attractive lady. Yeah. 386 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Anyway, this one's made by a company called Red Ashay. Right. 387 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,520 And it says so on the base there. 388 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,880 So would it have been made for a particular car, or not? 389 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,040 No, it was... You could put it on whatever car you wanted to. Right. 390 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,800 During the 1920s, '30s, and way into the '40s, 391 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,080 there were mascots on all cars, virtually. Right. 392 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Some were made specifically for that particular car. 393 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Humber would have a particular one, 394 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,640 a Rolls-Royce had the Flying Lady. 395 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,000 But there was lots of other cars that didn't have mascots, 396 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,880 and you could just go to a retailer and buy either a glass one, 397 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,840 or brass or bronze. 398 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,800 Incredible. Right. 399 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,800 I wonder how much the debt was back then. 400 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,920 I don't know. Petrol was quite cheap, wasn't it? They might have 401 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,760 been running out of petrol coupons as well, I don't know. 402 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,960 Because petrol was rationed, as well, wasn't it? 403 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,440 During the war? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. 404 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,360 Well, I think it's a cracking piece. 405 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:05,480 I think, at auction, if you sold it today, 406 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,120 it would fetch between £3,500 and £4,500. 407 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,480 You're joking! You are... I don't joke, no! 408 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,120 I don't joke. Sorry! 409 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,800 £3,500 to £4,000. Really? 410 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,040 My goodness! I had no idea of that. 411 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,880 No idea whatsoever. 412 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,080 It's, to me, it's... I'm getting emotional now. 413 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080 It's something that I remember my father by. 414 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,880 Yeah, well, that's charming. 415 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,360 Thank you very much indeed. My pleasure. Thank you. 416 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,520 I don't think he'd have believed it. 417 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,320 It was in a drawer, with his tools, wrapped in a duster. 418 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,160 And he used to really enthuse about the glass lady. 419 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,840 So we're over the moon. 420 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Well, even this is glistening in the rain today. It is. 421 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,960 When did you first see it? 422 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,760 20 years ago. 423 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,520 In a shop? In a skip. 424 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,840 Yes, it was retrieved out of a skip for me, 425 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,560 because the person thought that I would like it. 426 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,640 And I do. I love it. 427 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,960 What do you know about it? 428 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,120 Well, I can see from the design that it's Arts and Crafts. 429 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,360 Well... 430 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,240 ..Arts and Crafts, 431 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,360 or even a bit earlier than that, 432 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,320 Art Nouveau. Oh, right. 433 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,840 So Art Nouveau, from the sort of 1880s, through to sort of 1910. 434 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,280 So this very sinuous, sort of organic line of the honesty growing 435 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,320 round here, really makes it Art Nouveau more than Arts and Crafts. 436 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,840 With a nice, authentic 437 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,160 late 19th-century piece of mirrored plate in it, too, 438 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,920 and the silvering's gone. 439 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,000 Yeah. 440 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,240 But how could anybody put it in a skip? 441 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,120 God knows, but I'm so glad that it was retrieved for me. 442 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:58,920 I don't think it's by any particular maker. OK. 443 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,560 It's worth £300. 444 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,720 Wow! Very nice. 445 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,720 Now, it's true to say, isn't it, that the minute you brought 446 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,120 this to my desk, I said, that's by Harry van der Weyden. 447 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:23,600 Yes, and you even added "My hero." 448 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,000 Well, he is a bit my hero. 449 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,240 And what's he to you? 450 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Well, he's my great-grandfather, 451 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,880 and he's my granddaughter's great-great-great-grandfather. 452 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,040 Well, there you are. 453 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,160 The two of us, you know, by some weird coincidence, 454 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,840 are probably the people who know more about that man 455 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,080 than anyone else in the world. 456 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,360 And I'm hoping you can tell me even more, please. 457 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,080 Oh, well, I don't know. We'll see. 458 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,160 The first thing, though, is to admire this beautiful watercolour. 459 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,440 Isn't it stunning? 460 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,360 It's lovely. 461 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:54,200 It was hanging in my great-aunt's home all my life, 462 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,200 and when she passed on, I was fortunate enough to inherit it. 463 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,800 I love it. 464 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,360 Dated 1923. 465 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,280 I actually used to own another version of this very same picture, 466 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,520 so I know it's Rye, 467 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,720 and the mudflats, at low tide. 468 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360 What's really clever about it, I always think, 469 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,760 is the way the moon is not displayed. 470 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,720 The most you see of it is reflection 471 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,240 in the ripple in the foreshore. 472 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,040 But it's not shown in the sky at all. 473 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,360 All you see is just the glow of it and the track 474 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,480 of it across the mud. 475 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,920 And I believe that his early work, 476 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,280 he was described as something called a Tonalist. 477 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:32,600 Yes, a Tonalist was a sort of small school of American watercolourists, 478 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,600 and what they were particularly interested in was Japanese prints. 479 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,600 And you see their very blocky colours coming out, 480 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,640 and also their quite close tonal range coming out 481 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,480 in their watercolours. 482 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,400 But he was a very young man then, 483 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120 and he completed his education by coming to France. 484 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,040 You probably know most of this! 485 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,000 Well, some of it, because I have other paintings by him 486 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,760 of other family members in France. 487 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,440 Ah, I see. 488 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,880 The First World War comes. 489 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,040 He joins up as the camouflage officer for the Royal Artillery. 490 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480 Did you know that? No. 491 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,200 Well, you know, lots of artists were drummed into, you know, 492 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,600 providing for the war effort by using their skills, 493 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,320 and this meant disguising tanks as bits of tree and stuff. 494 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,520 And he was very good at that. 495 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,800 And then he had a studio, I think, on the Cote d'Azur later. Yes. 496 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,280 So obviously he stayed in France, 497 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600 and he was painting down there. 498 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,320 And I always imagined that he was extremely wealthy. 499 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,040 No. Not the case? 500 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,360 No, not the case. 501 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:37,800 You'd have to be, to live there now! 502 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,400 Well, the family joke was that he used to sell his paintings 503 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,920 by the square yard, 504 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,360 because they tended to be rather large and quite heavy oils. 505 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,440 Yes, but this very light, beautiful watercolour. 506 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,280 I suppose you've never valued it, or anything like that? No, never. 507 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,480 I think it's probably fair to say that yours is worth 508 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,840 £3,000 to £4,000. 509 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Wonderful. Thank you very much. 510 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,360 I think it will stay in the family. 511 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,040 Oh, well, I do hope so. 512 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Well, you know the expression "rare as hen's teeth", don't you? Yes. 513 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,400 You have brought me the mother of all hen's teeth here. Really? 514 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,040 This is an extremely rare expression of jewellery. 515 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,200 But tell me about it, with your kinsmanship, your family. 516 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000 Well, we've inherited it down through the years. 517 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 But it's because our kinsman was Pugin 518 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,640 and Hardman Powell. 519 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,200 Augustus Welby Pugin. Yes. 520 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,360 Who is, of course, the designer of the interior 521 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,960 of the Palace of Westminster, 522 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,600 the most venerable palace in the United Kingdom. 523 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,960 It's for his family, 524 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,880 but actually, it's not necessarily by him, 525 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,880 because it was made after his death - he died in 1852. 526 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,120 But everything in his life was taken over by his son-in-law, 527 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,600 John Hardman Powell, 528 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040 who had married Anne Pugin, his daughter. 529 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,320 So we see all the sort of ghostly input from this great artistic 530 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,360 architectural genius, rendered down, 531 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:05,240 absolutely distilled into this ring, 532 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,920 almost posthumously as well. 533 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,280 But I wondered if you'd thought at all about the significance 534 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,400 of these little bead works on the side? 535 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,920 No, just assumed it was decoration. 536 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,040 Well, and I think it is decorative, of course, 537 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,040 but the Pugin family and the Hardman family 538 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,680 were so entrenched in the Anglo-Catholic tradition 539 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,040 that they clearly adopted a very ancient theme here. 540 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,280 And this ring is called a decade, and it's called a decade 541 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,600 because there are ten of these little pellets here, 542 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,400 and each one of them is rather like a rosary, a signal to the wearer 543 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,400 to say "Ave Maria", 544 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,840 and then, working round ten Ave Marias, 545 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,120 to reach the top and touch it. 546 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,960 And so this is a very ancient, medieval tradition. 547 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,080 And we can see inside, the hallmarks appear for Birmingham. 548 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,800 22 carat gold, it's almost pure gold, 549 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,400 set with a cabochon garnet. 550 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,520 It's very enviable. 551 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,480 There are collectors of rings, specialist collectors, 552 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000 and this is exactly what they want. 553 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,200 They want context and excitement and indisputable provenance, 554 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,880 and something so rare that they can never have it again. 555 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,600 So, without a shadow of doubt, 556 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,400 it's worth £8,000. 557 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,600 Oh, my God! 558 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,640 How fantastic! 559 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,760 Oh, that dear little ring. Dear little ring. 560 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,040 So it's all about this, sort of, you know, really luminous 561 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,560 Anglo-Catholic excitement from an architect, designer 562 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,040 and absolutely somebody central to the national identity 563 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040 of the United Kingdom. 564 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,120 So, apart from that, it's of no interest, really! 565 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,320 LAUGHTER 566 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,080 To hear that story, of how much this tiny ring really means, 567 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,120 how it condensed a whole big story like that, 568 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,280 how lucky are we to own it? 569 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,560 That's fantastic. 570 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,800 This is such a surreal collection of photographs. 571 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240 There's two kids balancing on a bicycle here. 572 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,200 Some miners underground. 573 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,680 This kind of weird, clown-like guy with a big nose, 574 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,760 and then a red box here, that says in German, 575 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,000 the Young German Miners of the German Democratic Republic. 576 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,120 What's the story here? How did you come to have these? 577 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,720 They belonged to my father, 578 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,680 and in 1957, he went to Russia with the South Wales Colliery. 579 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,160 He went for a few months, 580 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,520 and he was given all these to bring back, 581 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,480 and a collection of photographs. 582 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,880 Well, it's a very interesting and unusual group of photographs. 583 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,400 They're all black and white photographs, 584 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,120 a big stack of them mounted on these cards, 585 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,240 and on the back of them, there are captions in English, 586 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,920 French, German and Russian. 587 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,600 These are all about an organisation of the youth miners 588 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,280 of Germany, East Germany, which was part of the Eastern Bloc, 589 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960 part of the Communist world at that time. 590 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,720 And all of the captions talk about what a wonderful life 591 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,280 these young miners have. 592 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Isn't it great they're so well educated? 593 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,360 They're doing all of these fun sports. 594 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,960 And, you know, these guys are learning how to coal mine. 595 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080 They put on these sort of entertainments 596 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640 in the evenings for them. 597 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,400 My theory on this is that this is all propaganda. 598 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:31,440 This is the Soviet Union saying life can be great under Communism. 599 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,600 Yes. Yeah? Yeah. 600 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,520 And I think they were trying to appeal to hard-working people 601 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,880 here in South Wales, 602 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,320 and try and get them on board with Communism as well. Yeah. 603 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240 Do you think your father was convinced? 604 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,800 No, not really. No? 605 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,440 No! He came home and went drinking, I think. 606 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,000 Really? 607 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,080 He didn't become a hardcore Communist? No. 608 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,960 I think it's a really, really fascinating group of photographs. 609 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,560 And I think they would really appeal to collectors of photography. 610 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,360 I think if you put these together as a group, 611 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,560 I think you'd expect them to make between £600 and £1,000. 612 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,800 Serious? 613 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,280 Oh, my goodness! 614 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,640 Oh! 615 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,200 Oh, I didn't think it had... 616 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,640 Oh, fabulous. You've made my day now! 617 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,160 You've made my day! 618 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Well, you made my day by bringing them. 619 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,360 My grandfather was a model engineer, and when I was growing up, 620 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,400 I was absolutely mesmerised by some of the things he made - 621 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,600 miniature steam engines, stationary locomotives. 622 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,200 So the moment I saw this, I absolutely fell in love with it, 623 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,760 because what we have here is the most exquisite 624 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360 little stationary steam engine. 625 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,320 Tell me a little bit about it. 626 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,120 OK. Well, this is a steam engine that's been made from a door knob 627 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,520 by my four-times great-uncle. 628 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440 It's come down through the family, 629 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920 and has passed to me since my father passed away in February. 630 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,080 Right. I think what I most love about this 631 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,280 is the fact that it's made out of a door knob. 632 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720 The boiler is a door knob. 633 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,680 Do we know anything about him, or his profession? 634 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080 We do. It turns out he was a clockmaker. Ah! 635 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,520 That answers a lot of questions, because if we look at how 636 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,480 exquisitely and finely made this little object is, 637 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,200 it certainly has the hand of a watch or clockmaker in it. 638 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200 And I think we only need to look at some of the kind of the mechanism - 639 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,600 they actually look like watch and clock cogs, don't they? 640 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,040 I can see also that there's a number. 641 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800 It says 1280 something or another here. 642 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,240 It's a very old ink number. 643 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,040 Do you know what the significance of that is? 644 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,560 I do. So this says 1,280 hours, 645 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,240 and that's the time that he's spent making this. 646 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,560 Oh, my gosh, so... 647 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,920 ..crumbs, try and work that out. 648 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,800 If we do the maths quickly, that's about 50-odd days, 649 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,440 and that's 24-hour days. 650 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,160 If we break that down, that's about 100... 651 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,800 That's about half a year of working time, 652 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,840 for an average day's work, 653 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,960 to produce this little item. 654 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000 That's quite incredible, isn't it?. It's amazing. 655 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,240 And I can kind of see why. 656 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,880 If I touch my finger on this... 657 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040 ..it still is operating smoothly. 658 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,520 And I suspect people are asking the question, 659 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,280 why aren't we running it? 660 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,640 I think that's too risky for an object of this type. 661 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Have you ever known it to run, or has it run in your lifetime? 662 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080 I know it's run in my father's lifetime. 663 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,160 He's seen it running. 664 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,480 I've never seen it running. 665 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,920 It was the kind of thing that only ever came out once or twice 666 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,360 in my childhood. 667 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,520 Right. And that was a no-touch situation. 668 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,000 Yeah, I'm not surprised. 669 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,040 I mean, I could imagine it was such a precious item, 670 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,640 that obviously it's not a toy, 671 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,920 and, you know, within the family, it wasn't regarded as a toy. 672 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,440 It sits under a glass dome. 673 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,880 This is not the original dome, but it's quite a good fit. 674 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080 It's an old outside light. 675 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,440 Glass, actually. 676 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640 But obviously, it does its job, doesn't it? Yes. 677 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960 My father spent many an hour toiling garage sales trying to find it. 678 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480 Oh, really? One that fitted it. 679 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,840 You could have a handmade one made for it, 680 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,800 and, do you know, it may be worth that investment at some time, 681 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,560 aesthetically, to have that done for it, 682 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,600 because it will have that waviness, that kind of old look, 683 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080 that should really go with this. 684 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,400 But let's talk about value on this. 685 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040 I know it's very precious to you, isn't it? Indeed, yes. 686 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,120 I honestly think that there are many people out there who would give 687 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,840 their eye teeth for this beautiful little item. 688 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,680 So I'm not going to bandy my words about this, 689 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,920 I'm going to give this a value of between £2,000 to £3,000. 690 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,320 Wow! 691 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,000 OK. 692 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040 I think it's an absolutely exquisite little thing. 693 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,880 You are so lucky to have this. 694 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,160 Thank you, it's just gorgeous. You're most welcome. 695 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,120 When this came out of your bag, 696 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,680 I could see that this was a tour de force of chip carving 697 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,920 on a mahogany walking stick cane, 698 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,720 and I could see that the top of it here was covered in a profusion 699 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,200 of geometric designs, 700 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,880 and then we've got all sorts of symbols going down here, 701 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,400 and it says "Egypt", 702 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,640 and it's got the compass and square, the symbols of masonry. Mm-hm. 703 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,480 So what do you know about that? 704 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,040 Well, it belonged to my dad. Yeah. He died last September, 705 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,360 and I was clearing out the house, 706 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,800 and he was a collector of lots of different things, 707 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,960 and he was also a Freemason... Ah. ..for over 55 years. 708 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,520 And we had an umbrella stand, 709 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,280 with various walking sticks and umbrellas and different things... 710 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,440 And this is where it lived? 711 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,960 ..and I pulled it out, and I thought, wow, look at this. 712 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,400 This is just amazing. 713 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,920 I'd never seen anything like it, 714 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,560 and I looked at it, and I looked at the date, and I saw "Egypt", 715 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,280 but I wasn't even sure if it was from Egypt, or 1826. 716 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,520 I don't think it's ever been near Egypt. 717 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,880 It's where Freemasonry's origins came from... Yeah. 718 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,480 ..was Egypt, and that's why it's there, 719 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,200 and there's loads of references to Egypt, 720 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,160 and you've got, erm, a pyramid down here, with references to Egypt, 721 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,360 and a sphinx, with this funny-looking, funny-looking crest, 722 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,400 and the Sphinx's breast there, and its body coming back here, 723 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,240 and it's also dated 1826. 724 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,120 Do you know what that ref...? No, no. 725 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,240 I don't either. 726 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,120 It could be something in the Freemasons' calendar 727 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,480 that I'm not aware of. 728 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,160 You've got a snake spiralling round the stick here. 729 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,600 I mean, it's just incredible how you can get so much information 730 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,320 on the surface. 731 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,240 He really was a genius, the person that carv... 732 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,040 I mean, it's folk art at its best. 733 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,200 Have you ever thought about a value for a thing like this? 734 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,480 I've got no idea how much it's worth. 735 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,320 A stick like this, I think, 736 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,760 would make between £1,500 and £2,000. 737 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,760 Wow. 738 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,800 Thank you. 739 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,440 So on the table, we've got some photographs... Yeah. 740 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,960 ..a map, and some bits of paper. 741 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,560 Now, I'm going to be honest with you, apart from the map, 742 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,600 the only bit of paper I recognise 743 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,360 is this one here, for something called the Caterpillar Club. Yeah. 744 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,600 That means that someone had to use a parachute from a doomed aircraft. 745 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,800 Yes, that's right. 746 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,320 Who was the owner of this certificate? 747 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,520 Yeah, this is my father, Flying Officer Derek Maling, 748 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,280 and he was an RAF navigator, 749 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,520 flying back from a bombing mission in Vienna. 750 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,120 A shell hit their aircraft, and, before it exploded, 751 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,280 he remembers just putting on his parachute, 752 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,960 and the next thing he realises is 753 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,000 he comes to, in a field, in Yugoslavia. 754 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,880 From what I've read in this account that he wrote... Yeah. 755 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,480 ..no-one survives from his aircraft, just him. 756 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,320 Not only was he the only survivor of that aircraft, 757 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,400 but out of the whole of the squadron that went out, 758 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,840 probably ten aircraft that night, 759 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,160 he was the only person to make it back. 760 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,440 Wow. 761 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,640 It's amazing. So he's SO lucky. 762 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,600 Yeah. What happened to him when he landed? 763 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,320 So he comes to in a field, and it turns out that he's injured, 764 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640 and so he approaches a farm. 765 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,480 This is enemy-occupied territory. Yeah. 766 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,960 Fortunately for him, they were partisan sympathisers, 767 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,880 and they brought a doctor, who stitched up his wounds, 768 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,280 and they looked after him. 769 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,040 So he's come down in Yugoslavia? 770 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,840 Yeah, just inside Slovenia. 771 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,280 OK. And then he quickly crosses the border into what's now Croatia. 772 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,920 What is this piece of paper? 773 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,880 This is the document that he was given by the partisans. 774 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,560 This was his travel document, 775 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,840 for them to have an account of who he was, 776 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,480 and why he was travelling with the partisans. 777 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,920 Oh, that's incredible. It is. 778 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,360 And what's this little book here? 779 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,960 This is a really interesting book. He met a doctor. 780 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,240 She had quite good English, and he was saying, 781 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,080 "I'm having difficulty communicating with the partisans," 782 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,680 and so she gave him this book, which is like an English textbook, 783 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,400 and inside we've got her name, "Jelka Vesenjak". 784 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,560 And what does this bit say? 785 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,480 I've only just translated this, and this is in my dad's writing, 786 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,360 and it says, "Dear love of my heart." Oh! 787 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,360 So... So, intrigue, as well as partisans, and trying to escape? 788 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,400 Exactly. 789 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,480 He makes it to where? Across to this place here, called Vocin, 790 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,720 about 200 miles to the east of where he started from. Wow. 791 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,040 The partisans were supplied by the allies, 792 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,600 and they used to fly in to this airstrip. 793 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,360 The pilot of the plane didn't cut the engines, 794 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,760 he turned round, and they took off straight away. 795 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,520 I think it's an incredible story of a part of the war, Yugoslavia, 796 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,560 which, actually, we really don't hear about. 797 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,920 It is the Antiques Roadshow. 798 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200 I do have to put some sort of a value on this... Yes, yes. 799 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,400 ..and I think that's easily £500... 800 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,320 Yes. ..which is not really enough money for that story. 801 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,920 Yeah, yeah. But I think that's, that's probably where we are. 802 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,760 Incredible. Yeah. Well done, Dad. 803 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,000 Was he a nice man? He was brilliant. 804 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,080 He was the BEST dad ever. Perfect. 805 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,600 Well, best dad ever, he did a fantastic job that day. 806 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,840 Thanks very much for bringing that in. It's brilliant. 807 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,800 So you've brought along a cheeky monkey, a ceramic monkey, 808 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,480 porcelain, erm, with two fingers that have come adrift. 809 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,000 That's right, yeah. So what is the story behind this character? 810 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,160 Well, I've had him about 30 years, 811 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,480 and he belonged to a very close friend of my grandfather's. 812 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,720 This lady who owned it, she passed away when she was 93. 813 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,840 When her estate was wound up, this monkey ended up with me, 814 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,520 because my father didn't like it, 815 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,680 and he was actually destined to go to house clearance. 816 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,280 And he spent the first sort of like six years of our relationship 817 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,800 he spent in my bedroom, on a stand, 818 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,480 so I had him in there for quite a while. 819 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920 You shared your bedroom with a monkey? A monkey, yes. OK. 820 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,840 That's OK. That's a claim to fame, isn't it? 821 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,880 Yes. Shall we have a look at him? Yes, absolutely, yes. OK, erm, 822 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,160 because he's, he's quite an unusual item, 823 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,840 insofar as, what on Earth is he doing? 824 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,400 Cos he's got... Well, I wondered that. ..he's got something, 825 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,120 he should have something in there. Yeah. 826 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,080 If he could continue, he'd stick it up his nostril. 827 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,320 He would be taking snuff. Ah... 828 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,320 So he's often referred to as the snuff taker, 829 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,520 and he's based on a figure 830 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,640 that was modelled in around about 1730, 1735, 831 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,120 at a place called Meissen, which is just up the river Elbe from Dresden. 832 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,840 OK, so German. 833 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:03,640 And there is a series of large white glaze animals and birds 834 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,920 that were modelled at that time, 835 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,400 but I'd love this to be 1735. 836 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,880 I'd really love to see a little blue cross swords on, 837 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,120 on the underside, which is the mark of Meissen. 838 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,680 I've looked underneath here, 839 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,920 and, erm, and I'm not seeing any marks whatsoever, 840 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,600 so it's not Meissen, alas. 841 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,720 I'm mindful that this one, 842 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,760 he's got some age, probably around about 1880. 843 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,680 But just where he was made... 844 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,760 I'd like to think that he was made in the Dresden area. 845 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,680 So, value? Hmm. 846 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,800 I'll stick my neck out, despite the fact that it's got lots of damage, 847 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,160 it is a good decorator's piece. Yes. 848 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,880 And so I'll say around about £500. 849 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,760 OK. OK. 850 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,040 Now, what about the 1735 price? 851 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,080 Well, believe it or not, erm, apparently, 852 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,040 I'm told there are only three examples from that period 853 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,040 that are known, so, erm, 854 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,760 £800,000. 855 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,000 Really? Had it been of the earlier period. Wow. 856 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,360 That's amazing. Yeah. But, no, delighted anyway. 857 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,880 No, and just think of the liability of owning something worth £800,000. 858 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,400 I know! I mean, what would you do with the money? I don't know. 859 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,520 Don't go there. 860 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,720 Well, it's been quite a grey and wet day today, 861 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:30,840 so it's delightful to see this colourful and vibrant screen. 862 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,760 How long have you known it? 863 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,200 I've known it since I was six, 864 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,440 and we used to sit in front of it, or hide behind it, 865 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,480 while the grown-ups were talking, and, and listen in. 866 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,200 And so what do you remember from it, aged six? 867 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,000 What was your impression? 868 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,200 The parrots. 869 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,800 The parrots fascinated me, and the general colour. 870 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,440 It was exciting. 871 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,920 And so who did it belong to? 872 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,080 It belonged to my great-step-aunt, my grandfather's half-sister, 873 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,680 and when she died, it went to my aunt, 874 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,720 and I actually asked my aunt, in her old age, 875 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:13,280 if she would consider leaving it to me when she went. 876 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,720 That's quite a bold thing to ask! 877 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,720 It was quite bold, but she was always easy to talk to. 878 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,200 Yes, and you must have just loved it so much, I mean... 879 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,280 I did, it was... 880 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,640 There are two parrots on it, aren't there? Yes, there are. 881 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,240 There's one up here... And one there. 882 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,960 ..and I've just noticed there's one down here... One down there. 883 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,720 ..so, aged six, it was at eye-level for a six-year-old. It was, it was. 884 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,480 I agree, I think, everywhere you look, 885 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,200 there are flowers that you recognise. 886 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560 Parrot tulips, roses, 887 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,960 auriculas, hollyhocks. 888 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040 Yes. It's just one of those things. 889 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120 It's not very often you describe furniture as being really pretty, 890 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,160 but it is. It's just SO beautiful. Yes. 891 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,280 Well, let me tell you, it's definitely not English. 892 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,680 I think it's continental, and almost certainly French. 893 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,360 It's oil paint on leather, 894 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,320 and the back is quite plain, as most screens are. 895 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,840 So it dates from around 1910, early 20th century, 896 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,760 just over 100 years old. 897 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,280 So not as old as all of those rather dark Victorian screens you see, 898 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,880 but I think it's better, 899 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,400 and I think it's worth 900 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,840 £2,000. 901 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,080 You're... No! 902 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,120 You're joking! 903 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,320 Oh, my goodness! 904 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,800 I absolutely love it. 905 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,680 It's the prettiest piece of furniture I've seen for years. 906 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,360 Really? Well, I love it, too. 907 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,680 A little beaker like that can only be made in France. 908 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,880 I could see across the room that that little beaker 909 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,120 has come from France. 910 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,000 Now, you've brought it here to South Wales. Yeah. 911 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440 What does it mean to you? Why have you brought it? 912 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,800 So, my great-grandfather brought it back after the First World War, 913 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,360 and he was based out in Ypres, and it was found in the trenches. 914 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,680 This is your great-grandfather? 915 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,560 That's my great-grandfather, Henry Morris. 916 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,240 In his uniform from the Great War. 917 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,840 Yeah. OK. 918 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,480 And he found it in a trench. 919 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,000 In the mud? In the mud, so it was all black and horrible. 920 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,560 He used it while he was in the war, as his shaving mug. 921 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,480 When he came home, 922 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,120 my grandmother said, "What's this?" 923 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,360 And he said, "Oh, I don't know, you can throw it away, 924 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,240 "I've been using it as a shaving mug." 925 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,560 And then she said, "I think it's silver," so she cleaned it up, 926 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,280 and then when my mother was born, in 1942, 927 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,520 it was given to her as a christening present. 928 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,320 So that's how we... And then it's come down. 929 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,520 I mean, my mother still has it in her China cabinet at home. 930 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,120 Does she? Yeah, yeah. And he dug it out of the mud in Ypres? Yeah. 931 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,160 So, presumably, it belonged to a Frenchman? 932 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,240 It was a French trench, was it? I'm guessing. 933 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,080 I don't really know all the details, but I'm guessing so. 934 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,600 And so he recycled it and used it as a... Shaving mug. 935 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160 ..shaving mug, and then it's been recycled again, 936 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,760 back to what it was originally, actually, 937 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,960 which was a christening mug. Oh, is that what it was? 938 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,800 Yeah. Oh, wow! 939 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,360 Probably. I mean, almost certainly. 940 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,560 Oh, right, cos we've always said it was a stirrup cup. 941 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,320 No, no... Right. Quite often, they're given in France 942 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,560 as christening presents, 943 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,400 and on the front, it's engraved with a chap's name, 944 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,880 which may well have been the soldier of the Great War who lost it. 945 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,880 Oh, wow. So it's come full circle, in a way. 946 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,560 That's fantastic. Oh, that's made me go a bit goosey, actually. 947 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,760 That's really nice. And it's been through the war. 948 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,240 Yeah. 949 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,120 Oh, my mum will be really chuffed with that. 950 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,880 What's enchanted me about this little mug is that story. 951 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,880 I'll tell the truth, honestly, it's not a valuable thing. 952 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,520 It's not silver, in fact, it's electroplated, 953 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,920 it's silver plate. 954 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,960 But this is a fantastic example 955 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,040 of an antique, or an old object, 956 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,200 that doesn't have to be worth much 957 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,040 to be enormously valuable. 958 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,160 It's great. 959 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,640 It's the best history of an object I've heard in a long time. Yeah. 960 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,200 So that's just great. It's really, it's really quite moving. 961 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,280 Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you so much. 962 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,280 Where did you get these from? 963 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,160 They've been passed down from my family, my parents. 964 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,680 Erm, both of them were bought by my father. 965 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,640 This one, specifically, he bought for my mother, 966 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040 and it was passed down to me when they passed away. 967 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,120 Well, your parents treated it as a love token, 968 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,480 and that's just what it is, 969 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,880 and I think you know that it's called a stay busk... Yes, yes. 970 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,200 ..and they were worn in a little pocket, 971 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,000 and were pushed down to tighten the corset, or corsage, 972 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,920 so that your stomach was flat 973 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,160 and you could achieve that wasp-waisted look. 974 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,600 But it's made of mahogany, I think. Sometimes they make... 975 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,640 I didn't know the wood. 976 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,800 And of course, when it wasn't in use, it has a little ring, 977 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,280 and these were made as love tokens. 978 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,240 The symbolism is highly important. 979 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,600 Now, we have, I think, an A and a G, 980 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,320 so they were the initials of the couple 981 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,320 who obviously were betrothed, 982 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,640 and then we have flowers in the lower lozenges. 983 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,840 But it's the symbolism, the heart, for love, 984 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,160 and have they ever noticed this at the bottom? 985 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,120 It's a tulip. 986 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,120 And if you corrupt the word "tulip" - "two lips". 987 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,160 So it's this idea of an eternal kiss. 988 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,600 That's interesting, yes. 989 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,520 So... And this is just simply chip-carved, in a folk tradition. 990 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,120 The Welsh made these. 991 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,920 But I think this is an English one, from the sort of north. 992 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,560 It's a really good example. 993 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,760 Now, you brought this along as well. 994 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,920 What's that? 995 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,040 I have no idea, and that's why I brought it. 996 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,520 It's like a miniature truncheon, isn't it? 997 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,440 That's what I've always described it as. 998 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,280 Yeah, but you wouldn't do a lot of damage with that, would you? No. 999 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,760 Well, it IS a miniature truncheon, 1000 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,520 and it's actually called a tipstave, 1001 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,400 and it was a symbol of authority... OK. ..before the police. 1002 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,080 So if you were a local warden, 1003 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,440 or a locally appointed constable - 1004 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,920 this is before the police of 1829 - 1005 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,400 this was your symbol of authority. 1006 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:20,840 Another date, 1816, beneath a royal crown and the initials of George III 1007 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,200 and that's Georgius Rex 1008 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,440 on the reverse, with a little three. 1009 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,360 They're not that rare, funnily enough, but this is a good one, 1010 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,080 in good condition. 1011 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,240 £150, £200. 1012 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,800 But when you come to the stay busk, much more desirable, 1013 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,360 super condition, that's worth 1014 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,120 between £500 and £800 at auction. 1015 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,720 So, together, they're worth between £650 and £1,000. 1016 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,960 Thank you. 1017 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,480 You know, I never understand how koumpounophobics survive in life. 1018 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,800 It must be terribly difficult. 1019 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,320 Do you know what a koumpounophobic is? 1020 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,240 No. It's somebody who's scared of these little critters. Buttons. 1021 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,120 You're clearly not one, with this many! 1022 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,960 What's going on? 1023 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:35,040 The story told is that my grandmother bought it in the '60s, 1024 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,600 from the company, I believe, called Firmin's, 1025 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,480 who were closing their London office, 1026 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,320 and we've had it ever since. 1027 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:48,960 Apparently, it was done for the Great Exhibition in 1851. 1028 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,400 That's it. That is literally it. 1029 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,960 You've mentioned two fantastic names there. 1030 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,640 Firstly, Firmin and Sons. 1031 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,920 So Firmin were founded in 1655, as button makers, 1032 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,800 and they produced buttons for all manner of sort of liveries, 1033 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,400 military companies, aristocrats, 1034 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,240 all sorts of dress and uniform buttons. 1035 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:12,080 They've held the royal warrant, which you see here in the middle, 1036 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,040 and they're still in production today. 1037 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,440 So a great, prestigious name, 1038 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,120 probably one of the top names in button making in Britain. 1039 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,640 And of course the Great Exhibition. 1040 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,080 The Great Exhibition, that fantastic showcase of industry of all nations. 1041 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,680 So this is a surviving part of the Great Exhibition. 1042 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,760 There's a huge selection of different buttons here, 1043 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,640 and button collecting is still a relatively healthy area, 1044 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,320 partly because it's so affordable. 1045 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,920 So you can have buttons here 1046 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,480 that were produced in quite large quantities. 1047 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,600 So they're much more common, 1048 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,120 so values tend to be a little bit lower. 1049 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,720 And then, of course, we have these very sparkly ones here, 1050 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,840 which are made out of cut steel, 1051 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,880 and then just here, we have these very colourful enamelled ones, 1052 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,920 and these are produced primarily in pressed brass. 1053 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,640 Is it the sort of thing you would sell, or is it too sentimental? 1054 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,120 I don't think I would sell it. No. 1055 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,320 OK. 1056 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,760 So we're not talking a great deal of money 1057 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,440 for many of the individual buttons here, 1058 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,880 especially the more common ones 1059 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,080 that were produced for, say, larger regiments. 1060 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,160 However, these buttons here are slightly more interesting. 1061 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,160 But who wants this type of thing? Where can this be displayed? 1062 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,000 You've got to be a pretty hardcore button collector 1063 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,840 to want to have this hanging above the mantelpiece in the living room. 1064 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,160 Yeah. So values can come down a little bit, 1065 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,160 because of the way it's displayed, 1066 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,600 and it would be terrible, I'm sure you would agree, to split it all up. 1067 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,320 Oh, absolutely. 1068 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,760 I think if you were to put it into auction, the size is an issue. 1069 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,680 But I would imagine a collector would pay somewhere between 1070 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,600 £2,000 and 3,000. 1071 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,640 Wow. 1072 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,200 Pleased, you know. Absolutely. 1073 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,240 That's good. 1074 00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,960 Half the people watching this will hate these grotesque faces, 1075 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,320 and the other half absolutely love them. 1076 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,360 I happen to be a lover, but I guess you know what they are. 1077 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,120 Well, I've had them all my life. 1078 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,760 My father and grandfather had them before me. 1079 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,440 You know who made them? Yes. 1080 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,320 Martin brothers. The Martin brothers. 1081 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,640 Four brothers. 1082 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,640 Yeah. But that's all I know. 1083 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,560 Well, three of them were the most active, 1084 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,840 and, yes, the Martin brothers were, they were a pottery in Southall, 1085 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,640 in London, at the end of the Victorian era, 1086 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,880 end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century, 1087 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,560 and they were these... 1088 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,360 Have you ever seen a picture of them? Well, no. 1089 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,080 I haven't seen the picture of the brothers. Of the brothers? 1090 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,120 Amazing. 1091 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,560 They've got these ridiculous beards that come out about here, 1092 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,800 like ZZ Top, and wild, wild hair. 1093 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,160 Yeah. And they just looked like crazed men in this studio, 1094 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,720 with all these ridiculous monstrosities 1095 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,560 happening all over the place. 1096 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,640 I'm a great Martin brothers fan. 1097 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,880 The thing I like about them, 1098 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,520 compared with so many other potteries of the same period, 1099 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,560 is they are all individual creations. 1100 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,240 We've got a mask jug here, 1101 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,760 we've got a bird box and cover here - 1102 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,320 the head comes off - and a jug here, 1103 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,720 and no two pieces are identical. No. 1104 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,800 They have been individually modelled. 1105 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,000 These two were modelled by Robert Wallace Martin. 1106 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,680 But this is also quite unusual, 1107 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,000 but the decoration on the side of this one's 1108 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,840 by one of the other brothers, this is by Edwin Martin. 1109 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,000 They're not difficult things to date, 1110 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,520 because I think each one of these has got a date on the bottom, 1111 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,640 and if we look at this one, it'll say somewhere here, 1112 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,320 is that 11 or 10? 10, 1895. 1113 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,200 I think it is. 1114 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,040 This one, 1115 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,400 it's actually round the back on this one, it's there, it's 1901. 1116 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,320 This one... 1117 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,720 Can't really see it. I'm not sure. I think it might be 1896. 1118 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,840 But that's that one there. But they all have an owl, well, 1119 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080 these two have got, have got... 1120 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,560 Are these owls? 1121 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,160 Well, it doesn't look much like an owl, to me. Well, what are they? 1122 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,720 Well, I don't know. What do you think that is? A stork? 1123 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,920 Yeah, some sort of crazy stork, or crane, or something. 1124 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,480 It's a fabulous, monstrous... Yeah. ..er... 1125 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,080 I mean, the eyes of this one are beautiful, lovely little eyes. 1126 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,560 It's, it's absolutely ghoulish. Yeah. 1127 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,000 It's out of Lord Of The Rings really, isn't it? Yes. 1128 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,280 I think they are fantastic things. 1129 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,240 I love them. Yes, keep, keep your fingers away from them! 1130 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,800 What else you want to know about these? 1131 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,480 Well, what are they worth? 1132 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,200 Well, erm, yeah, they're worth a bit, 1133 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,720 or some of them are worth a bit. 1134 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,440 This jug here, 1135 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,280 at auction, it should be about 1136 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,640 £5,000 or £6,000. Ooh! 1137 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:43,960 Ooh! 1138 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,520 I'm glad I brought them along! 1139 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,640 Funnily enough, this one, which doesn't look as interesting, 1140 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,320 it's quite rare to have these figures with the thin legs, 1141 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,760 in this piece by Edwin, 1142 00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:00,000 and it's also worth about £5,000 or £6,000. Ooh, right. 1143 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,520 This one, I understand is a smaller one than a lot of them. 1144 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,360 There are others that look similar to this. 1145 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,640 Yeah, you do get them this big, 1146 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,800 and you do get models that are actually caricatures of people. 1147 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,800 There is a Gladstone and Disraeli model of the birds. Is there? 1148 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,000 But this, so, it is only a little one, 1149 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880 so it's really only, what, 1150 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,000 £25,000. Ooh! 1151 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,800 Yes. Ooh! 1152 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,840 I shouldn't have brought them along today! 1153 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,760 My wife will see this! 1154 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,720 Get rid of the telly. Well, that's it, yes. 1155 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,440 They are filled with so much character. 1156 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,080 They're the best of Victorian, really. They're fabulous. 1157 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,200 Fantastic, quirky, weird, and they're unique, as well, 1158 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,040 and I think that's really important, 1159 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,640 because no-one else has got one the same. 1160 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,960 It'll go back in the cupboard for the time being. 1161 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,640 It'll turn into an old motorcar or something, 1162 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,600 because I love my vintage and veteran cars, 1163 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,320 so it'll no doubt turn into one of those! 1164 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,680 Well, the National Botanic Garden of Wales, 1165 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,680 in the middle of the Welsh countryside, 1166 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,400 is the last place I think any of us would expect to see 1167 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,160 Oddjob's hat from Goldfinger. 1168 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,760 Who'd have thought it? 1169 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,800 I'm tempted to put it on, but today, frankly, 1170 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,360 I could've done with a sou'wester. 1171 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,720 From Carmarthenshire, from all of us here, 1172 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,080 until next time, bye-bye. 154523

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