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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:19,602 My grandfather 2 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,646 told me, 3 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:25,608 you must be better. 4 00:00:25,692 --> 00:00:26,776 You must be, 5 00:00:26,860 --> 00:00:28,862 not good, not average... 6 00:00:32,282 --> 00:00:34,617 You must be better than the best. 7 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:41,708 He made it clear. It wasn't a matter of 8 00:00:41,791 --> 00:00:43,710 whether you want to succeed or not. 9 00:00:45,211 --> 00:00:46,463 You're going to. 10 00:00:52,844 --> 00:00:55,263 There was no black driver at that time. 11 00:00:58,475 --> 00:01:00,226 There was death threats. 12 00:01:01,895 --> 00:01:06,399 If this nigger races in this race, 13 00:01:06,483 --> 00:01:08,777 he not might not leave alive. 14 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:15,909 They called me Uppity. Uppity nigger. 15 00:01:16,493 --> 00:01:17,911 And I loved it. 16 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:27,629 My grandfather, 17 00:01:27,712 --> 00:01:32,592 he was the only black plumbing contractor in the city of San Jose. 18 00:01:33,176 --> 00:01:36,679 His business was pretty much all white, 19 00:01:36,763 --> 00:01:40,517 and he knew he had to be better than his competitors, 20 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,435 and he drilled that in us. 21 00:01:44,979 --> 00:01:47,982 That was, to me, very important. 22 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:50,235 He started in 1927. 23 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:55,949 By 1960s he was doing so well that he bought a ranch 24 00:01:56,449 --> 00:02:00,286 and left the plumbing business to my dad and my uncle. 25 00:02:00,411 --> 00:02:03,123 Because of the family business, my dad had motorcycles, 26 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:07,085 and he had go-karts, and he had sports cars. 27 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:09,504 And that was my introduction. 28 00:02:09,671 --> 00:02:13,258 My dad was racing as a hobby. 29 00:02:13,341 --> 00:02:15,677 He competed in amateur racing. 30 00:02:15,844 --> 00:02:17,887 We were always exposed to 31 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:19,931 racecars, and racing car drivers. 32 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:29,566 He was maybe about five or six and he met Dan Gurney 33 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:33,153 and oh, God, he just followed him all over the track. 34 00:02:33,236 --> 00:02:36,781 If a race driver is ever elected president of the United States, 35 00:02:36,865 --> 00:02:38,950 it probably will be Dan Gurney. 36 00:02:39,117 --> 00:02:41,870 Dan Gurney, he was such a nice person. 37 00:02:42,203 --> 00:02:44,581 He says "Okay, let's take our picture." 38 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:47,083 Dan was smiling all over the place. 39 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:49,586 He thought he was a real crack up. 40 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:51,254 The Dan Gurneys of the world. 41 00:02:51,337 --> 00:02:53,131 The Jim Clarks of the world. 42 00:02:53,214 --> 00:02:55,884 They were the reason I wanted to be a race driver. 43 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:58,261 And I knew that at nine years old. 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,725 From then on, he spent his time 45 00:03:03,808 --> 00:03:08,938 with the automobiles rather than brothers and sisters. 46 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:13,401 I had a Lotus Cortina, which is a little two-door sedan. 47 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:20,199 Every opportunity he would have when he came home from school, 48 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:23,453 first thing he did was go jump in the car. 49 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:25,163 I knew where the key was... 50 00:03:28,791 --> 00:03:33,421 ...and I went up to a windy road, called Mount Hamilton Road. 51 00:03:33,588 --> 00:03:34,589 At 12 years old. 52 00:03:34,672 --> 00:03:36,090 The sheriff called me and said, 53 00:03:36,174 --> 00:03:38,927 "You know we got Willy T. Out in your car." 54 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:40,220 I said "Huh?" 55 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:44,057 My mother didn't spank me, 56 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:46,059 and my Dad didn't spank me. 57 00:03:46,184 --> 00:03:48,394 But they said you're going to the ranch. 58 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:53,024 If you got in trouble, my grandfather, who was 59 00:03:53,107 --> 00:03:56,152 the person you worried about. It wasn't the law. 60 00:03:56,236 --> 00:04:00,406 He was only five foot four, but he was as big as Shaquille O' Neal. 61 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:03,159 I said you need to stay out here for a while, 62 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:07,538 where you can run a car without it running over somebody. 63 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:12,001 My grandfather hated auto racing. 64 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:15,880 It was not to be mentioned at the ranch. 65 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:19,467 So you didn't talk about it around him. 66 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:23,513 He thought that being involved in auto racing was 67 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:25,056 spending money recklessly. 68 00:04:27,725 --> 00:04:31,020 You had to have a goal. 69 00:04:31,104 --> 00:04:36,442 And it better pass the smell test with him. 70 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:39,904 He wanted to know what I was going to do. 71 00:04:42,323 --> 00:04:45,326 I told him, I wanted to be a formula one driver, 72 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:46,953 or an Indy 500 driver. 73 00:04:48,746 --> 00:04:51,958 There was no black driver at that time. 74 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:54,752 He said to me, you're a goddamn fool. 75 00:04:56,879 --> 00:04:59,549 Told him, "No, you can't do that." 76 00:04:59,632 --> 00:05:03,219 Willy T. Said, "Grandpa, but that's what I want to do." 77 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:08,057 And he says, "Well, I don't care what you want to do. You can't drive a car." 78 00:05:08,141 --> 00:05:10,852 "I built this business to hand over to you, 79 00:05:10,935 --> 00:05:12,812 so you wouldn't have to work for somebody else. 80 00:05:12,895 --> 00:05:17,442 So you could be your own boss." And with him, being your own boss 81 00:05:17,734 --> 00:05:20,737 meant everything. You had to be your own boss. 82 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:25,116 I wanted to be my own boss. Behind the steering wheel. 83 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:26,492 I wanted to be a race driver. 84 00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:32,415 Young drivers from all over the world would all go to Britain, 85 00:05:32,498 --> 00:05:35,001 and run the Formula 4 championship. 86 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:36,878 This is Formula 4, 87 00:05:36,961 --> 00:05:40,048 a late outgrowth to the Formula B division. 88 00:05:40,673 --> 00:05:42,300 Formula 4 is a place where 89 00:05:42,383 --> 00:05:46,095 if you have a desire to be a professional motor racing driver, 90 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:47,180 that was where you went. 91 00:05:48,222 --> 00:05:51,267 That's the place where you find out if you're real. 92 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:54,854 And if you're good enough, you come out and people pay attention. 93 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:57,690 I let my parents know, 94 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:00,610 that I'm not going to go to college. 95 00:06:00,693 --> 00:06:03,738 Look at me going to England to race Formula 4, 96 00:06:03,821 --> 00:06:06,908 is like sending me to college. 97 00:06:06,991 --> 00:06:11,037 My dad knew the dangers of racing. He would never admit that 98 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:15,792 he was worried about me getting hurt or killed. 99 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:18,211 But he knew it was there. He lost 100 00:06:18,294 --> 00:06:21,089 quite a few friends right in front of his eyes. 101 00:06:21,255 --> 00:06:24,008 Killed right in front of his eyes. 102 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:28,096 He was reluctant. Especially as a career. 103 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:33,601 When you do it as a career, you're all in. 104 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:35,603 You're all in. 105 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:46,364 When I got to England, I knew from reading Autosport Magazine. 106 00:06:46,447 --> 00:06:49,158 There was a team that was very successful. It was called 107 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:52,578 Scorpion Racing. And the owner was Mike Eastick. 108 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:58,084 So I drove out to his farm and knocked on the door. 109 00:06:58,167 --> 00:07:02,130 He thought I was there to get a job on his farm. 110 00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:06,425 I said, "No, I'm here to talk to you about driving one of your racecars." 111 00:07:06,509 --> 00:07:10,680 If you brought money. Whether it was personal money or sponsored dollars, 112 00:07:10,763 --> 00:07:12,932 he'd put you in a racecar. I paid him 113 00:07:13,182 --> 00:07:14,851 with my college money. 114 00:07:15,017 --> 00:07:16,436 We shook hands on a deal. 115 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:20,440 Two weeks later, he had me testing his racecar at Mallory Park. 116 00:07:23,526 --> 00:07:25,945 If you want to be an IndyCar driver 117 00:07:26,154 --> 00:07:29,282 or a Formula One driver, you start at that level. 118 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:35,163 The older model racecar, which is what he put me in, 119 00:07:35,246 --> 00:07:37,206 costs 200 pounds per race. 120 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:39,834 I finished third in my first race 121 00:07:39,917 --> 00:07:42,962 and right then, he said, "Okay, I want you to go to the newer model." 122 00:07:43,754 --> 00:07:46,007 Coming to get the green flag... 123 00:07:49,719 --> 00:07:51,387 The second race I won. 124 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:54,682 When I called home from England, I said, 125 00:07:54,765 --> 00:07:58,811 "I won." And there was a pause. 126 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:02,148 "You're kidding," and I said, "No, I won." 127 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:06,903 I was racing against Nigel Mansell and Michael Rowe. 128 00:08:07,695 --> 00:08:10,114 And those guys were really tough. 129 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:13,117 Mansell went on to be Formula One world champion. 130 00:08:15,411 --> 00:08:18,206 It was my fourth or fifth race. 131 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:21,209 The head of Formula One was there, Bernie Ecclestone. 132 00:08:21,292 --> 00:08:23,127 Bernie Ecclestone took over Formula One. 133 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:27,632 Turned it into the world's number two sport behind soccer. 134 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:30,301 Made it a commercial success, billions upon billions. 135 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:32,678 And a beautiful start! 136 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:36,766 You can't even quantify how big Bernie Ecclestone 137 00:08:36,849 --> 00:08:39,185 is in Formula One. 138 00:08:39,268 --> 00:08:41,938 If somebody was doing well in any of the lower series, 139 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:45,149 they would probably come into GP3 or GP2 140 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:47,985 and then get recognized and go into Formula One. 141 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:49,654 And that's why I was there. 142 00:08:49,737 --> 00:08:51,239 I wanted to catch your eye 143 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:55,618 so I could be a Formula One driver or an Indy 500 driver. 144 00:08:55,868 --> 00:09:01,040 I won six out of eleven races. I had such a large points lead, 145 00:09:01,123 --> 00:09:02,750 I couldn't be beat. 146 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:05,670 Willy was so dominant with the Scorpion Racing Team. 147 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:07,421 He didn't even need to finish the season. 148 00:09:07,505 --> 00:09:10,508 He'd earned so many points, championship was already his. 149 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:18,558 Once I won my championship in Formula 4, 150 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:21,185 I was out of money. 151 00:09:21,269 --> 00:09:23,145 You do need some support financially, 152 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:25,064 in order that you can get recognized. 153 00:09:25,481 --> 00:09:26,524 Because you can't just say, 154 00:09:26,607 --> 00:09:28,734 "I think what I'm going to do is be a Formula One driver," 155 00:09:28,818 --> 00:09:29,944 and pop into a car. 156 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:33,864 Once you start coming out of Formula 4, getting into Formula Three, 157 00:09:33,948 --> 00:09:37,827 that's when things start getting a little bit expensive. Family support? 158 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:39,537 That comes to an end after Formula 4. 159 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:42,206 You really do need sponsors. 160 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:46,794 Wanting to be a racecar driver. It costs. 161 00:09:47,128 --> 00:09:48,796 It costs a lot of money. 162 00:09:49,255 --> 00:09:54,343 A lot of the drivers were being sponsored by their own country. 163 00:09:56,053 --> 00:09:57,888 I didn't get that, and so... 164 00:09:58,180 --> 00:10:02,935 I could not go to Formula Three, and I had to come home. 165 00:10:14,322 --> 00:10:18,909 When I came back to the United States, I was 22 years old. 166 00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:23,122 The next step from Formula 4 to the United States was Formula Atlantic. 167 00:10:23,205 --> 00:10:27,752 And I got a phone call from the Long Beach Grand Prix Association. 168 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:34,133 They had a sponsor that put me in my first race in the United States. 169 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:37,511 I didn't have a car that I could win with, 170 00:10:37,595 --> 00:10:41,724 but the objective was to get my feet wet in the United States. 171 00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:46,854 Before every race, there's a drivers meeting. 172 00:10:46,937 --> 00:10:50,608 You could feel the tension. 173 00:10:50,691 --> 00:10:53,694 In England there was no animosity about the color of my skin. 174 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:56,822 It was about, "Hey, let's go out and race." 175 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,035 And when I walked into that drivers meeting 176 00:11:01,118 --> 00:11:05,414 in Long Beach. Not one driver spoke to me. 177 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,124 Not one. 178 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:08,167 They didn't even look at me. 179 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,758 After that, there was nothing. Despite what I accomplished in England. 180 00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:19,637 He came back knowing that, "I just did something, 181 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,431 accomplished something that very few Americans have. 182 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,183 Let alone African-Americans." 183 00:11:24,892 --> 00:11:28,938 And no one would give him a shot, no one. 184 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:38,531 I came to speedway back in 1975, 185 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:41,784 and I was always looking for an angle. 186 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:45,788 We would do crazy things like Robosaurus. 187 00:11:45,871 --> 00:11:47,665 He ate six cars. 188 00:11:52,461 --> 00:11:54,755 Then we had high wire acts. 189 00:11:55,005 --> 00:11:56,882 When Geoff Bodine came down here 190 00:11:57,007 --> 00:11:59,635 from Chemung, New York, and I used to say, 191 00:11:59,718 --> 00:12:03,013 Earnhardt's Robert E. Lee and Geoff Bodine is Grant. 192 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:05,224 For a while there, they sold a lot of tickets 193 00:12:05,307 --> 00:12:08,436 'cause there was a civil war kind of aspect about it. 194 00:12:08,602 --> 00:12:13,941 I get a phone call from a promoter in Charlotte, North Carolina. 195 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:16,235 If 30 % of the population is Black, 196 00:12:16,318 --> 00:12:18,070 you want to get some of those people in it. 197 00:12:18,195 --> 00:12:20,072 He said, "I could put you in a car." 198 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:23,325 I did not know 199 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:27,663 he was The Blonde Don King. 200 00:12:27,830 --> 00:12:32,168 Humpy Wheeler was smart enough to say, "This would be great for our series." 201 00:12:32,376 --> 00:12:34,587 "We're going to get some attention down here, 202 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:37,173 and you're the guy that's going to bring it." 203 00:12:37,298 --> 00:12:41,135 I knew it would work If we got the right black race driver. 204 00:12:44,972 --> 00:12:46,390 And his record was pretty darn good 205 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:48,309 considering the equipment he had to work with. 206 00:12:48,642 --> 00:12:52,438 I've had a lot of guys in cars out there just trying to see what they can do. 207 00:12:52,521 --> 00:12:54,231 Usually it takes them two days 208 00:12:54,315 --> 00:12:56,567 just to figure out how to get through the first turn. 209 00:12:57,109 --> 00:12:59,403 He didn't waste any time, he just got out there on the fourth lap, 210 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:01,530 and he was running pretty steamy laps. 211 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:05,242 I said, "You gonna crash this thing if you keep going." He said, 212 00:13:05,367 --> 00:13:08,871 "That's the only way to go fast, get it loose." 213 00:13:08,954 --> 00:13:11,290 So Humpy and Willy announced they are going to get Willy 214 00:13:11,373 --> 00:13:14,793 into the World 600, one of NASCARS biggest events. 215 00:13:15,836 --> 00:13:20,799 I didn't think about any of the political or social ramifications. 216 00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:23,177 That didn't, it didn't cross my mind. 217 00:13:23,302 --> 00:13:24,637 But he knew. 218 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:28,724 You think about that time period we were in in the '70s. 219 00:13:28,807 --> 00:13:32,603 Everything was supposed to be integrated and yackity yack across the country, 220 00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:36,524 but it wasn't. There was still a lot of segregationists. 221 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:42,738 Next week, I'm going to put Jews under-- 222 00:13:45,741 --> 00:13:47,952 Willy had challenges in front of him that 223 00:13:48,035 --> 00:13:49,954 other race car drivers didn't. 224 00:13:50,746 --> 00:13:56,502 You're coming into a sport where the majority of the people are white, 225 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:59,588 and they have been from its conception. 226 00:14:04,843 --> 00:14:08,597 You go to a racetrack and 75 % of the infield 227 00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:10,099 was still waving rebel flags. 228 00:14:14,853 --> 00:14:17,398 They might call it the United States racing series. 229 00:14:17,481 --> 00:14:19,650 It's a Southern racing series. 230 00:14:19,775 --> 00:14:21,110 Daytona's down there, 231 00:14:23,988 --> 00:14:27,658 Talladega's down there. That is all white. 232 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:33,873 Humpy said, "There's a few people that are not going to like you down here." 233 00:14:33,956 --> 00:14:38,419 I said, "Well, they're just gonna have to get used to not liking it." 234 00:14:39,587 --> 00:14:42,298 No, that's not a place to go. 235 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:45,718 Not if you're black. 236 00:14:45,801 --> 00:14:49,805 That weekend there was a big race in Talladega. 237 00:14:51,098 --> 00:14:54,184 And when we got into the pits, people were actually 238 00:14:54,268 --> 00:14:57,187 spitting on the ground near me. 239 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,985 It wasn't a very warm welcome, and it 240 00:15:03,068 --> 00:15:05,112 really started to piss me off. 241 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:08,741 If you're such a badass, don't spit, start swinging your fists. 242 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:13,329 The clash of taking a west coast, Northern Californian, black man, 243 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:15,372 dropping him into the deep south, 244 00:15:15,539 --> 00:15:18,417 and expecting him to know the Jim Crow playbook 245 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,921 and that he's not expected to be proud to be his own man 246 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:24,465 and thinking that's going to be a success? 247 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:27,927 I don't know how anybody actually thought that was going to work. 248 00:15:28,886 --> 00:15:31,388 And so I said, "Okay, 249 00:15:31,472 --> 00:15:34,308 you wanna have a reason not to like me? 250 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,186 I'm gonna give you one." 251 00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:39,355 All the drivers were there. All the crew chiefs were there, 252 00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:41,398 some of the car owners, and some press guys. 253 00:15:43,859 --> 00:15:47,529 A hand went up, an African-American hand. 254 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:52,952 In Talladega, Alabama. 255 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:57,206 And Willy said, "Can you pass in the grass?" 256 00:15:57,456 --> 00:15:58,874 They had a real narrow pit lane 257 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,710 and the drivers were coming out of the pits. 258 00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:03,712 They were nearly running into each other. 259 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:07,132 You stood at the driver's meeting and said to the grand national competitors, 260 00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:10,427 "I have one question, can you pass in the grass?" 261 00:16:10,511 --> 00:16:12,096 Do you regret having said that? 262 00:16:12,179 --> 00:16:15,891 Oh, no, because it was probably one of the most intelligent questions 263 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:19,269 ever asked in a Grand National Driver's meeting. 264 00:16:19,478 --> 00:16:25,609 Uh, Chief Stuart was a card carrying member and his face tightened up, 265 00:16:26,777 --> 00:16:28,028 with rage. 266 00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:31,323 Boy, that was a huge mistake. 267 00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:39,206 There was death threats that were called in. 268 00:16:39,289 --> 00:16:43,502 If this nigger races in this race, 269 00:16:43,669 --> 00:16:45,921 he might not leave alive. 270 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:51,844 It was not only that call, but we got a lot of other calls. 271 00:16:51,927 --> 00:16:54,596 "If you let that blankety blank run in the race, 272 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,598 I am going to kill you" 273 00:16:59,476 --> 00:17:03,605 My grandfather believed in right and wrong. 274 00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:05,983 And you don't turn the other cheek 275 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:07,860 when you're right. 276 00:17:10,571 --> 00:17:12,865 You do not walk away from that. 277 00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:18,037 Things just kept getting worse and worse and worse. 278 00:17:18,912 --> 00:17:20,706 So I sat Willy down. I said, "Willy, 279 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:23,500 maybe next year or the year after, but this is not the time to do it." 280 00:17:23,584 --> 00:17:26,045 This place is too inflamed. 281 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:28,505 He was definitely fighting an uphill battle. 282 00:17:28,589 --> 00:17:31,675 Especially being the personality that he was. 283 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:36,013 That kind of ended as they say, "The Battle of Willy T." 284 00:17:36,472 --> 00:17:37,973 Humpy had to pull the plug 285 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,809 and I wish he hadn't. 286 00:17:44,354 --> 00:17:48,609 In England, in 1977, I met Muhammad Ali. 287 00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:52,237 From then on, he sorta took me under his wing. 288 00:17:54,364 --> 00:17:58,660 He said to me, "You're going to deal with some challenges... 289 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:01,371 For one reason only. 290 00:18:01,622 --> 00:18:05,000 You're not in basketball. You're not in baseball. 291 00:18:05,459 --> 00:18:08,128 You're in an all-white sport." 292 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:14,510 What gave me resolve 293 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:18,430 was thinking about my grandfather and what he taught me, 294 00:18:18,722 --> 00:18:24,269 and then there was Muhammad Ali. And his three-and-a-half-year layoff. 295 00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:25,854 Where he couldn't make a living. 296 00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:30,526 It took his livelihood away. 297 00:18:34,488 --> 00:18:36,698 I thought about those, those two men... 298 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,451 And I thought, all right. 299 00:18:39,618 --> 00:18:43,163 Don't give up mentally. You might not be in a racecar, 300 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,290 but don't give up. 301 00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:49,294 Don't quit on yourself because the only person 302 00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:50,671 who's going to beat you is you. 303 00:18:53,924 --> 00:18:59,680 No one was jumping to put me in a racecar. I didn't want to be... 304 00:18:59,763 --> 00:19:01,640 working for my dad. 305 00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:06,311 I didn't wanna be in that business, but I had to. 306 00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:10,524 Everything I achieved in England was meaningless. 307 00:19:11,358 --> 00:19:13,986 I went from driving a racing car 308 00:19:14,278 --> 00:19:19,158 and winning races, to driving a service van for my dad. 309 00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:22,452 It was devastating. An acquaintance 310 00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:28,667 with my dad's company was doing a job for-- On a building that he owned. 311 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:32,337 He asked me to go to a race with him. 312 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,047 And I said, "Nah, I don't wanna go." 313 00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:38,510 And he says, "Well, they're having a Can-Am race at Laguna Seca in Monterey, 314 00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:43,307 and would you go?" I said, "No, I don't want to go." 315 00:19:43,473 --> 00:19:44,933 He says, "Come on, I'll drive down. 316 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,395 I'll drive you down. Just walk me around, I've never been." 317 00:19:54,776 --> 00:19:57,821 Went down there and I was walking through the pits 318 00:19:57,905 --> 00:19:59,823 and I met Jim Trueman. 319 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:03,285 I didn't know who Jim Trueman was, he said, "I own Red Roof Inns." 320 00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:06,747 And Jim Trueman has moved up into fourth place right now. 321 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:08,832 One of the great sportsmen. 322 00:20:09,124 --> 00:20:11,335 Jim Trueman's life was really all about IndyCar 323 00:20:11,418 --> 00:20:15,547 and Bobby Rahal. But given the chance Jim would absolutely 324 00:20:15,631 --> 00:20:18,842 spend some of his money to help give chances elsewhere. 325 00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:24,264 My version of success is to see how many other people I can help be successful. 326 00:20:24,348 --> 00:20:25,891 He says, "What do you wanna do?" 327 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,768 I say, "Well, I'm out of racing." 328 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:29,603 He says, "Yeah, I know." He says, "Why?" 329 00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:31,813 I said, "No, no backing." 330 00:20:31,897 --> 00:20:35,275 "All right, I want you to call me next week. Call me Tuesday." 331 00:20:35,859 --> 00:20:40,948 I asked him, I said, "Are you serious?" He says, "Call me." 332 00:20:41,657 --> 00:20:44,326 "What kind of cars do you want to race?" And I said, 333 00:20:44,409 --> 00:20:47,204 "Well, I want to continue to do Formula Atlantic." 334 00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:49,164 You find the team 335 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:53,126 and if you like it, tell me how much it's going to cost. 336 00:20:53,377 --> 00:20:56,505 The Formula Atlantic Series, was in many ways the pre-eminent 337 00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:59,841 road racing series in North America, in 1982. 338 00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:04,721 It was the most similar to what a race driver would be driving anywhere 339 00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:07,683 else in the world at the same level. 340 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:12,020 My first Formula Atlantic race, I ran in the top Six. 341 00:21:12,312 --> 00:21:13,605 Then next year, 342 00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,315 I put it on the pole. 343 00:21:15,399 --> 00:21:17,526 And the guys that were in that race 344 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:19,653 were Al Unser Jr. 345 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,822 Michael Andretti, 346 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:23,448 Jeff Brabham. 347 00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:28,245 Willy qualified three-tenths of a second faster than the entire field. 348 00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:30,372 That surprised me and everybody else. 349 00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:32,749 The only person who wasn't surprised was Willy. 350 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,335 In front of Formula One, 351 00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:37,421 in front of Bernie Ecclestone, 352 00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:42,134 in front of the elite of the sport. With no time. 353 00:21:42,217 --> 00:21:44,261 And we put that son of a bitch on the pole. 354 00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:49,016 I knew that. I said, "I'm as good as anybody in the sport." 355 00:21:57,190 --> 00:22:00,360 Took off, and I had a good week. 356 00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:02,863 He led more than half of the race. 357 00:22:05,782 --> 00:22:08,660 But what took us out was the failure of the engine. 358 00:22:08,910 --> 00:22:13,248 And I could feel the engine start to fade. 359 00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:17,669 If it wasn't for mechanical failure, I might've won the race. 360 00:22:17,878 --> 00:22:19,338 The reason that engine failed was because 361 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:22,632 it had something like 1800 miles on it before we even started the race. 362 00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:25,886 Everybody we were beating, they had a brand new engine with 363 00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:27,304 a hundred miles on it. 364 00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:29,639 And it was special for Long Beach 365 00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:32,350 and much better power and torque than our engines. 366 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:41,276 But it didn't matter. I knew I was back. You all saw it. 367 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,530 Now what do you have to say? What do you gotta say now? 368 00:22:45,614 --> 00:22:48,950 Where's the deals? Where's the phone calls? 369 00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:52,496 What are you scared of now? 370 00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:57,167 Nothing happened. No deal. 371 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:03,173 So I worked in the family business. That was hard. 372 00:23:05,592 --> 00:23:07,969 The end of 1982. 373 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:11,890 Two days before Thanksgiving, the phone rang, and it was Paul Newman. 374 00:23:12,265 --> 00:23:15,477 Paul Newman took racing really seriously. 375 00:23:16,978 --> 00:23:19,314 He wanted to be respected as a driver. 376 00:23:19,397 --> 00:23:22,609 The only thing that I ever found any grace in was an automobile. 377 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,489 I first met Paul 378 00:23:27,781 --> 00:23:31,451 in the pits. It was brief, and he said, "Keep up the good work." 379 00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:35,330 I did not know that Newman was actually paying attention, 380 00:23:35,413 --> 00:23:37,332 until I got that phone call from him. 381 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:39,709 "Hey, kid, 382 00:23:40,293 --> 00:23:42,254 I got a deal for you." 383 00:23:42,337 --> 00:23:44,714 I know you like Formula Atlantic but 384 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:47,551 the Trans-Am Series is an opportunity 385 00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:50,220 for you to become a paid race driver. 386 00:23:50,303 --> 00:23:53,098 It's going to be a first class team. Think about it, 387 00:23:53,265 --> 00:23:55,600 and let me know. 388 00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:58,895 I said, "No, I've already thought about it. If you recommend it, 389 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:01,815 I'm doing it." He says,"All right, 390 00:24:02,023 --> 00:24:04,109 you're going to get a call from Budweiser. 391 00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:07,195 They got a few hard asses there, 392 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,739 so if there's any problems, call me." 393 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,077 SCC Trans-Am wasn't as big as IndyCar, 394 00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:17,664 but it was definitely popular. 395 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,002 DeAtley Racing was sponsored by Budweiser. 396 00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:26,047 For Trans-Am at that time, it was state of the art. 397 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:31,178 And when Paul Newman called me and recommended this Trans-Am which-- 398 00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:34,139 I didn't know anything about Trans-Am. 399 00:24:34,222 --> 00:24:36,308 I was blown away. 400 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,727 But I knew he knew I could 401 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:41,271 go fast. That, he knew. 402 00:24:42,022 --> 00:24:44,024 He said, "I'm not helping myself here 403 00:24:44,107 --> 00:24:46,818 'cause I'm going to be racing against you 404 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:48,403 and I know how fast you are." 405 00:24:48,486 --> 00:24:50,655 They go into turn number one and Paul Newman 406 00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:55,702 from third starting position sneaks to the inside and passes Willy T. Ribbs, 407 00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:57,829 but Ribbs grabs the lead back. 408 00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:01,208 "But I'm driving a racing car for a different reason than you are, 409 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:04,502 I enjoy it, it's my hobby. 410 00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:10,175 You drive a racing car to put a roof over your head. 411 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:13,303 And that's why you need to be in that car." 412 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:21,561 It took five years for me to be in this position. To be a paid pro driver. 413 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:28,068 This was an opportunity for me to not have to 414 00:25:28,151 --> 00:25:30,695 go back to where I was. 415 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:33,448 I didn't want to go back to driving a plumbing van. 416 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:38,203 The difference between a Formula Atlantic car 417 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:40,372 versus a Trans-Am car, 418 00:25:40,455 --> 00:25:42,165 is night and day. 419 00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:46,962 To go fast in a Formula Atlantic car, you had to be smooth. 420 00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:49,297 The Trans-Am car, the engines in the front. 421 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:52,801 It's a big high horse power car with big tires on it. 422 00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:58,223 Trans-Am cars of that era were absolute hand-made monsters. 423 00:25:58,556 --> 00:26:00,517 Eight hundred horse power engines. 424 00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:03,937 These cars, very quickly, 425 00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:07,983 told you whether you had the skill to get the most out of them. 426 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:11,611 Being on the ranch sliding those trucks and vehicles 427 00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:14,990 and all that. I mean, I learned car control at an early age. 428 00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:18,785 And that's what you needed with that Trans-Am car. 429 00:26:18,868 --> 00:26:22,622 Willy ended up being way faster than I 430 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:24,833 expected but I was certainly hoping for. 431 00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:27,752 Then I had a good teammate by the name of David Hobbs 432 00:26:27,836 --> 00:26:29,796 David Hobbs is a very accomplished driver. 433 00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:31,548 Won a lot of races. 434 00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:33,800 IndyCars, Indy 500, Le Mans, 435 00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:35,802 just everything. 436 00:26:35,885 --> 00:26:38,930 World renowned race car driver. 437 00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:41,349 First race was at Melrose Park in Florida 438 00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:43,643 when I met Willy and Willy became the second car. 439 00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:46,313 I knew he was a very nice personal young guy. 440 00:26:46,396 --> 00:26:49,274 And practice showed he was pretty quick too. 441 00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:52,527 I was the designated number two driver. 442 00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:55,030 David Hobbs was the number one driver, period. 443 00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:56,531 There was no argument. There was no question. 444 00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:59,576 There is a hierarchy of how things are done. 445 00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:03,455 The number one driver is going to get the number one equipment. 446 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:07,167 You get the best engines. You get all the best components. 447 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:10,003 In auto racing, 448 00:27:10,086 --> 00:27:13,548 the title teammates really doesn't apply. 449 00:27:13,631 --> 00:27:15,425 Because you're trying to beat your teammate 450 00:27:15,508 --> 00:27:18,511 more than you're trying to beat the other teams. 451 00:27:18,678 --> 00:27:22,891 Just to establish who's going to be top dog on the team. 452 00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:27,729 There was a motor improvement that David got. 453 00:27:28,063 --> 00:27:30,023 A next generation intake manifold. 454 00:27:30,106 --> 00:27:32,067 To perk his car up a little bit. 455 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:33,860 A real super motor, right? 456 00:27:33,943 --> 00:27:36,279 Now going to David's car. You know and then, 457 00:27:36,363 --> 00:27:40,450 the one that's really good, but not that good would go in Willy's car. 458 00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:42,911 If you were to put it on a clock, 459 00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:45,080 the number two driver is going to be a half a second 460 00:27:45,163 --> 00:27:49,292 slower than the number one driver. And it was designed that way. 461 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,669 He didn't have the car David had. 462 00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:54,130 Whether there was an order or not. 463 00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:57,425 The deck is stacked against you. You have to be very determined. 464 00:27:57,592 --> 00:28:03,056 My mindset was like my grandpa taught me. That I had to be better. 465 00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:06,059 And I wasn't gonna let David Hobbs get in the way of that. 466 00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:11,064 He was the number one driver until we got to the first race. 467 00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:12,774 When qualifying was over, 468 00:28:12,857 --> 00:28:14,776 I was on the front row. 469 00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:17,404 He was behind me. 470 00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:19,322 And that didn't go over well. 471 00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:22,575 His fish and chips weren't tasting too good. 472 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,370 Dave and Willy were neck and neck. 473 00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:28,790 I mean they didn't have any fear. They were gonna be going for the lead 474 00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:30,708 pretty much no matter what it took. 475 00:28:37,006 --> 00:28:42,512 I lead the race until I had a flat tire. The second race was 476 00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:44,472 Summit Point, West Virginia. 477 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:49,060 Hobbs, he had that look on his face like, I'm coming for you. 478 00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:51,646 That's when my crew chief said to me, 479 00:28:51,855 --> 00:28:53,273 "I had heard you were fast, 480 00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:58,236 but we had no idea you were that fast." I said,"You ain't seen nothing yet, 481 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:01,614 wait till I've learned this thing. I don't even know the car yet." 482 00:29:03,366 --> 00:29:05,827 The fourth race was in Portland, Oregon. 483 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,622 Willy and David went to the front. 484 00:29:09,706 --> 00:29:13,251 And Willy took his first lead in a Trans-Am race. 485 00:29:17,297 --> 00:29:21,426 I was starting to learn how to control tire wear 486 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,511 and I just drove a smart race. 487 00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:27,724 It was just a good hard race you know. 488 00:29:27,891 --> 00:29:30,477 If he would have won, I wouldn't have felt bad, and I hope he doesn't 489 00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:32,729 feel bad with me up front. 490 00:29:32,937 --> 00:29:36,733 It had been so long to get to victory circle. 491 00:29:36,816 --> 00:29:39,444 Going from a Formula Atlantic car to a Trans-Am car, 492 00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:41,112 this is one of those things that might take someone 493 00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:44,240 a couple of years to figure out the nuances. 494 00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:47,619 How Willy adapted to this so soon, I genuinely don't know. 495 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:52,123 It was my first professional win. 496 00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:54,542 And it was awesome. It felt good. 497 00:29:57,462 --> 00:29:59,714 It was no looking back after that. 498 00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:06,012 I was making no bones about "I'm here to win." 499 00:30:07,263 --> 00:30:09,307 And I'm not number two. 500 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:12,519 His rookie year became a thing known for winning. 501 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:15,230 He made that statement right away. 502 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:18,817 Guy in a racecar, tough ass series, 503 00:30:19,859 --> 00:30:21,986 bad ass competition. 504 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,739 Kicking the shit out of them, more often than not. 505 00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:30,703 Willy was unbeatable in a Trans-Am car. 506 00:30:31,204 --> 00:30:32,622 He just flew. 507 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:37,752 He was definitely the number one driver. 508 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,879 And I'm not sure that the team 509 00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:42,632 realized how fast Willy could be. 510 00:30:43,925 --> 00:30:46,010 As the year progressed, it was apparent 511 00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:49,013 that Willy was a very, very fast driver. 512 00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:54,185 But he certainly didn't make friends very easily and he was very abrasive. 513 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:58,106 Between me and my buddy David Hobbs, it was personal. 514 00:30:58,815 --> 00:31:00,483 David knew that. 515 00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:25,633 Willy was a polarizing driver and he tended to torque 516 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:29,053 some of the more delicate drivers. 517 00:31:29,178 --> 00:31:31,806 Some guys didn't like it. He had a hard time dealing with them. 518 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:34,893 Even if you are good, you know, Jimmy Clark 519 00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:38,229 was the best. But he didn't make this known 520 00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,231 at every breath he took. 521 00:31:40,315 --> 00:31:42,859 Now I am one of the best drivers in auto racing, period. 522 00:31:42,942 --> 00:31:46,613 Black, white, oriental, or Hispanic. Ray Charles can see that. 523 00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:50,074 There are folks who either love that kind of personality, 524 00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:53,494 and there are those who don't. Uh, A.J. Foyt, 525 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,121 four-time Indy 500 winner... 526 00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:58,499 Punch you in the mouth as quick as he'd say hello to you. 527 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,586 I don't hear folks saying they hate him. 528 00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:05,298 It wasn't about racing. It was about 529 00:32:05,381 --> 00:32:08,176 you're not toeing to subservient line. 530 00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:11,512 That was the attitude that 531 00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:15,183 team manager John Dick gave me. You're lucky to be here. 532 00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:19,145 John Dick was Hobbs' boy. 533 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,359 It seemed as if John might not have cared for Willy's 534 00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:29,322 showmanship ways and I think the fact that he was as fast as David 535 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:31,908 might've increased the friction. 536 00:32:31,991 --> 00:32:33,910 He wanted Hobbs to be 537 00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:36,371 the absolute number one. 538 00:32:38,414 --> 00:32:40,500 Well, that wasn't happening. 539 00:32:40,583 --> 00:32:43,628 So, halfway through the '83 season, 540 00:32:43,711 --> 00:32:47,048 the team manager and I, we didn't talk at all. 541 00:32:48,216 --> 00:32:50,134 So this is just literally a case of, 542 00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:51,678 "you don't belong here." 543 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,223 I was called into the office and asked 544 00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,183 if I thought Willy should be let go. 545 00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:03,272 Second to the last race, was Riverside, California. 546 00:33:03,356 --> 00:33:07,860 Hobbs, if he won the race, could clinch the championship. 547 00:33:07,944 --> 00:33:09,612 Before the race started, 548 00:33:09,696 --> 00:33:14,450 the owner asked me to finish second to Hobbs. And I said no. 549 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:18,997 He says, "I would like you to finish second to David Hobbs. 550 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,291 You're under orders." And I said,"All right, 551 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:25,420 I'll do it. But you pay me first place money." 552 00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:26,838 He said, "No, I'm not going to do that." 553 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,882 I said, "Well, then no, I'm not going to finish second. 554 00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:34,429 You guarantee me first place money, and then I'll take a powder." 555 00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,683 Right before I got ready to put in gear to move off, 556 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:40,184 he said, "Okay." 557 00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:46,983 Hobbs won the race, clenched the championship. 558 00:33:47,066 --> 00:33:52,155 The next race was Las Vegas, and I left him. 559 00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:56,159 Ribbs coming out of turn number one. Grabs the lead... 560 00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:58,119 It was cake. 561 00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:00,580 Memorize that number and color 28, 562 00:34:00,955 --> 00:34:03,374 red and white, Willy T. Ribbs. 563 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:05,835 But the checkered flag comes out 564 00:34:05,918 --> 00:34:07,670 and it is Willy T. Ribbs winning 565 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:11,549 the Caesars Palace Grand Prix for Trans-Am cars. 566 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:13,509 I won rookie of the year. 567 00:34:13,593 --> 00:34:16,137 In the end I won the championship. And he was not very happy. 568 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:17,722 And made it pretty known. 569 00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:20,183 When I left Las Vegas, I knew 570 00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:22,560 who the man was in Trans-Am. 571 00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:31,444 I was looking forward to 1984. 572 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:35,239 I had championship on my mind. 573 00:34:35,448 --> 00:34:38,785 We were not going to be with the Camaros, we were transitioning 574 00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:40,953 to the Corvette. It was a whole 575 00:34:41,037 --> 00:34:45,041 different chassis, and suspension geometry and 576 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:46,876 I was looking forward to it. 577 00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:50,463 I came back as David Hobbs' teammate, 578 00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:54,759 but not number two. And I made that clear. 579 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:00,681 Road Atlanta was the first race of the year, 580 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:02,308 and I knew there was a new driver 581 00:35:02,391 --> 00:35:03,976 that was coming into the series named 582 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:07,480 Bob Lobenberg. And I knew that he was a bit of a pop off. 583 00:35:08,231 --> 00:35:09,732 Sunday morning warm-up. 584 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:11,526 Went out on the track. 585 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:16,364 We had an issue. We were going down into the dip, about 190 miles per hour. 586 00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:19,909 He's right next to me, and he forced me off the road. 587 00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:26,541 When someone runs someone else off the road, 588 00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:29,544 it's kinda like pointing a gun at him and pulling the trigger. 589 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:31,254 I ran down to his car. 590 00:35:31,337 --> 00:35:33,047 And I yelled at him and 591 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:34,215 I hit him in the helmet. 592 00:35:35,758 --> 00:35:39,387 If a driver was out there driving and somebody cut them off, 593 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:43,015 at the end of the race they fought it out. 594 00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:46,686 And there's a fight! Between Cale Yarborough and Donnie Allison. 595 00:35:46,769 --> 00:35:48,479 Every night at the local track 596 00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:52,483 we'd have a good fistfight after the race or in between the races or something. 597 00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:54,068 That was just part of 598 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:56,028 racing. 599 00:35:56,279 --> 00:36:00,741 Muhammad Ali told me, you might have to take care of yourself. 600 00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:02,743 He said, "Know how to fight." 601 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:04,620 So that's what I went and did. 602 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:07,832 I was in condition to go 603 00:36:07,915 --> 00:36:10,501 toe to toe with anybody in the racetrack. 604 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,462 Now the confrontation I had with Lobenberg 605 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,506 was a Deacon Jones head slap. 606 00:36:15,756 --> 00:36:17,884 Might hurt his feelings, but it didn't hurt him. 607 00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:22,221 John Dick went down to say, "Hey, hey, hey," and calmed it out. 608 00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:24,640 Then Willy had an altercation with our John Dick. 609 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:28,936 That provided the out for the team to part ways. 610 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:30,396 I was fired. 611 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:32,857 Fired. 612 00:36:33,691 --> 00:36:36,944 What we had on the track, that was between me and Lobenberg. 613 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,530 We're two men, let us get it handled. 614 00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:40,990 You people stay out of it. 615 00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:42,783 And that's how it should have been left. 616 00:36:44,493 --> 00:36:46,996 If you want to be successful you got to do what you're told 617 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,415 and Willy's just never been that kind of person. 618 00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:53,085 Here we go again. 619 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,255 How long is it going to be before I drive again. 620 00:37:01,636 --> 00:37:04,889 The phone rang and it was a German accent. 621 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,099 It was Michael Kranefuss, 622 00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:11,103 the director of special vehicles operation of Ford Motor Company. 623 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:13,189 "If you want, 624 00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:16,567 we are very interested in you to come to Detroit 625 00:37:16,651 --> 00:37:21,906 because we would like to put you in a car. I have Edsel Ford on the line." 626 00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:24,700 And then Edsel came on and he says, 627 00:37:24,784 --> 00:37:26,452 "You can be Willy T. Ribbs. 628 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:29,247 We just want you to win" 629 00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:34,794 Sunday night I was unemployed, on Monday morning I was employed. 630 00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:37,129 I was on an airplane headed to Detroit 631 00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:39,173 to Jack Roush's facility. 632 00:37:39,882 --> 00:37:43,386 He's an interesting character. He's a PhD mathematician. 633 00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:48,182 Really strong opinion on how things should be. For better and for worse. 634 00:37:48,557 --> 00:37:52,061 Brilliant mind, he would never be accused though 635 00:37:52,144 --> 00:37:53,688 of having any social graces. 636 00:37:54,188 --> 00:37:55,439 He took me around. 637 00:37:55,523 --> 00:37:57,817 Showed me his dynos and told me that 638 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,445 you're going to have horse power. He's got engines in there running 639 00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:03,948 for 48 hours straight. 640 00:38:04,031 --> 00:38:05,950 Almost psychotic, 641 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120 with his focus on engine power. 642 00:38:10,871 --> 00:38:14,083 I missed four races because Roush 643 00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:15,793 and Ford were building me 644 00:38:15,876 --> 00:38:17,253 a brand new car. 645 00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:19,255 Missing the first four races has made 646 00:38:19,338 --> 00:38:22,341 it impossible for me to win the championship. 647 00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:25,177 But it's not impossible for me to win this race. 648 00:38:25,261 --> 00:38:27,722 Looks like Willy T. Ribbs is followed by 649 00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:30,641 Greg Pickett and David Hobbs in the DeAtley Corvette. 650 00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:33,811 There's the leader Willy T. Ribbs 651 00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:37,773 in the number 64 Roush Protofab Mercury Capri. 652 00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:40,192 It was effortless 653 00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:42,361 to get in that car and go fast. 654 00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:46,782 It had massive power. Great handling characteristics 655 00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:49,243 that were better than DeAtley had. 656 00:38:50,619 --> 00:38:55,249 And we have a winner of the Texas Challenge Trans-Am. 657 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,084 There was a lot of talk about the track conditions. 658 00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:58,502 How was the track for you? 659 00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:02,298 Fantastic, I mean it was better than my bed at home. 660 00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:04,508 As we were going to the press room, 661 00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:06,844 I walked by the DeAtley pit. 662 00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:08,429 I looked at my old mechanics 663 00:39:08,512 --> 00:39:11,807 Pat McFall and Jeff Schwarz and they smiled. 664 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,852 They were happy, because they knew what went on. 665 00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:16,854 One of my professional regrets 666 00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:20,232 was not following Willy to Roush. 667 00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:24,403 Because you want to hitch your wagon to an exceptional talent. 668 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,114 And Willy was an exceptional talent. 669 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:28,824 Even though Willy has only competed 670 00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:30,576 in three races this year, 671 00:39:30,659 --> 00:39:33,454 he is sixth in the point standings. 672 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:37,208 He finished second in Detroit and has won the last two races. 673 00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:38,876 After my third victory, 674 00:39:38,959 --> 00:39:42,546 I thought, "I gotta do something special." 675 00:39:42,838 --> 00:39:45,216 Helio Castroneves climbs the fence. 676 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:52,223 Alex Zanardi did the donuts. 677 00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:54,642 Before them, 678 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:56,936 Willy T. Got on top of his roof 679 00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:58,562 and did the Ali shuffle. 680 00:40:02,775 --> 00:40:06,320 I loved Willy T.'s attitude. I loved it when 681 00:40:06,487 --> 00:40:08,489 he won the race and got on the roof, 682 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:11,409 did the Ali shuffle. That was Willy. 683 00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,953 I was doing it for the fans. 684 00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:16,789 Now, if you don't want me to do that, 685 00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:18,874 then beat me. 686 00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:22,086 Our leader once again Willy T. Ribbs out in front. 687 00:40:22,169 --> 00:40:25,798 10,000 people on one mound, 10,000 on the other. 15,000 in the bleachers. 688 00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:29,718 All to come see if the big talking driver Willy T. Could win again. 689 00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:31,387 There weren't really many 690 00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:35,099 people that were used to drivers that would talk trash 691 00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:36,725 and get out there and 692 00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:38,144 get in front of the cameras. A lot of people weren't 693 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:39,311 used to that. 694 00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:40,229 Willy says, 695 00:40:40,563 --> 00:40:43,524 "Press is press, bad press is still press." 696 00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:45,818 At the time all this was happening, 697 00:40:46,026 --> 00:40:51,824 it was almost impossible for most racers not to have 698 00:40:51,907 --> 00:40:54,243 a racial aspect to it. 699 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,787 You know, a white guy wouldn't do that. 700 00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:00,249 Who's this black son of a bitch 701 00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:02,793 think he is? 702 00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:06,881 People talk behind our backs. About you know, "What are 703 00:41:06,964 --> 00:41:09,133 these N people here for?" 704 00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:10,926 You know, "They don't belong here." 705 00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:14,472 He's throwing it in our face. 706 00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:15,931 He's Uppity. 707 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,767 You guys, what do you expect me to do? 708 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:21,770 Do you expect me to be a second-class citizen to you? 709 00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:27,693 You are not entitled over me. 710 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:31,572 And that was the reason they called me Uppity. 711 00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:34,074 Uppity Nigger. 712 00:41:35,534 --> 00:41:37,161 And I loved it. 713 00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:39,497 'Cause that's what you're going to be dealing with. 714 00:41:43,083 --> 00:41:44,668 This one team that I worked for, 715 00:41:44,752 --> 00:41:47,463 we weren't even in the series Willy was racing in. 716 00:41:47,546 --> 00:41:48,672 I'm just sitting there, 717 00:41:48,756 --> 00:41:51,842 listening to this guy that I work with use the N word like 718 00:41:51,926 --> 00:41:53,802 it's Willy's first name. 719 00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:57,139 The old guards, the old mechanics in the sport. That was my name. 720 00:41:57,598 --> 00:41:59,642 It wasn't Willy T. It was nigger. 721 00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:04,480 I used to go into the bathroom stalls. I used to see it all the time. 722 00:42:04,563 --> 00:42:06,941 Willy T. Nigger Ribbs. 723 00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:10,361 I thought that was funny. 724 00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:14,156 Okay, I'm going to give you 725 00:42:14,573 --> 00:42:17,910 an opportunity to write it even more when the race is over. 726 00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:21,956 You wanna be mad? 727 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,708 I'll give you more reasons to be mad. 728 00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:31,006 I won four out of eight races 729 00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:33,425 that I competed in in 1984. 730 00:42:39,056 --> 00:42:41,809 Final race of the year was Las Vegas. 731 00:42:41,892 --> 00:42:44,728 After the race, a guy comes up to me 732 00:42:44,812 --> 00:42:47,815 and says "Don King would like to meet you." 733 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:51,569 Don King was regarded 734 00:42:51,652 --> 00:42:54,071 as one of the sports biggest scum bags. 735 00:42:54,154 --> 00:42:55,990 But he was also at the height of his power. 736 00:42:56,991 --> 00:42:58,701 So when Don King calls 737 00:42:58,784 --> 00:43:04,081 you take it, because this is a person who could make you a star. 738 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:07,918 "Willy T., Willy T., sit down." 739 00:43:08,085 --> 00:43:11,547 And he went right to it. "You're the Muhammad Ali 740 00:43:11,797 --> 00:43:13,299 of auto racing. 741 00:43:13,382 --> 00:43:15,384 I'll make you a superstar." 742 00:43:15,759 --> 00:43:18,596 My ultimate goal was IndyCar. 743 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,724 I knew Don King could help me get there. 744 00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:24,518 His lawyer, Charles Lomax was his name. 745 00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:28,564 Sent a contract, and it was the most bizarre contract I've ever seen. 746 00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:32,860 The options were all in his favor. The percentages were insane. 747 00:43:33,068 --> 00:43:37,489 He had an open-ended expense account. 748 00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:42,119 It took over six weeks just to get the contract reasonable. 749 00:43:42,286 --> 00:43:43,579 We were exing out full pages. 750 00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:45,497 We flew back down there. 751 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:48,334 Don Kings' lawyer, 752 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:50,169 looked at my lawyer and says, 753 00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:52,546 "Fuck these niggers." 754 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:53,964 My lawyer, he couldn't say anything. 755 00:43:54,048 --> 00:43:55,466 He didn't wanna get into 756 00:43:55,549 --> 00:43:57,051 N word conflict. 757 00:43:57,134 --> 00:44:01,055 But I went angry Ribbs on him. "Look, you Jheri curled idiot. 758 00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:05,726 These fighters that you guys signed can't read and write, and they're honored 759 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:08,896 to be in the company of Don King. 760 00:44:08,979 --> 00:44:10,689 I'm honored to do business. 761 00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:13,025 But I'm not honored to be in your company." 762 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:17,488 Lomex, he says, "Don, we don't need these sons of bitches. Fuck 'em. 763 00:44:17,571 --> 00:44:20,866 I don't want you to sign it. But if you want to sign it, you sign it." 764 00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:25,871 I looked at Don. I said, "No guts, no glory, Don." 765 00:44:27,581 --> 00:44:28,832 He signed it. 766 00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:32,211 Don announced that he was representing Willy T. Ribbs. 767 00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:34,004 And Don went to work right on. 768 00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:36,632 He had a connection at Miller Brewing Company. 769 00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:39,343 He called them. He says, "I need 770 00:44:39,426 --> 00:44:41,845 you guys to put Willy T. Ribbs in the Indy 500." 771 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,933 I went to Indy. 772 00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:52,356 It was like being on a date with the hottest girl on the planet. 773 00:44:52,606 --> 00:44:57,736 Your tail was wagging, baby. My tail was like a goddamn bird dog. 774 00:44:58,654 --> 00:44:59,655 Gentlemen... 775 00:44:59,988 --> 00:45:00,864 Start... 776 00:45:00,948 --> 00:45:02,324 your engines. 777 00:45:08,163 --> 00:45:10,082 Oh they went side by side. 778 00:45:10,165 --> 00:45:11,417 Whoa, look at this! 779 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,919 He just passes him. He just drove past him! 780 00:45:14,002 --> 00:45:17,005 Checkered flag for Rick Mears. He's won the Indianapolis 500 781 00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:18,465 with a hand in the air. 782 00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:24,888 I became a fan of Willy T.'s immediately. 783 00:45:24,972 --> 00:45:28,100 As an African-American you didn't have a lot of options as 784 00:45:28,183 --> 00:45:32,438 it relates to seeing somebody who looks like yourself on the racetrack. 785 00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:38,026 In the maintenance crew you probably had 25 African-Americans. 786 00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:41,822 So the time that we found out that Willy was coming, uh... 787 00:45:41,905 --> 00:45:45,492 There was a huge buzz, and, uh, he told me, he said, 788 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:48,120 "If it could be done, that he was going to do it." 789 00:45:48,203 --> 00:45:50,289 Well, Willy T. Is at Indy. 790 00:45:50,372 --> 00:45:53,459 Is that your slogan for this year? Come on in here, young man. 791 00:45:53,542 --> 00:45:56,920 Congratulations, your moment has finally arrived at Indianapolis. 792 00:45:57,004 --> 00:46:01,633 Thank you, well, I'm happy to be here and it's a big moment for me. 793 00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:03,260 Hopefully uh, 794 00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,179 we'll be in shape to do the job. 795 00:46:06,013 --> 00:46:08,015 Before every Indy 500, 796 00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:09,933 every team goes to Phoenix 797 00:46:10,017 --> 00:46:11,768 a month before, and they practice 798 00:46:11,852 --> 00:46:13,103 and they test. 799 00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:16,940 I got none of that. 800 00:46:17,316 --> 00:46:18,275 None. 801 00:46:18,358 --> 00:46:20,694 You gotta practice with it, and test with it. 802 00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:25,908 That means you can physically go try to make your race car good. 803 00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:28,494 And that's what he didn't have. 804 00:46:28,577 --> 00:46:31,079 It was rushed together. 805 00:46:32,748 --> 00:46:33,916 Show up at the racetrack. 806 00:46:33,999 --> 00:46:37,294 The new team owned by Sherman Armstrong in Winchester, Indiana 807 00:46:37,377 --> 00:46:40,547 was not put together until about 48 hours ago. 808 00:46:40,631 --> 00:46:44,009 And the new March chassis was not ready for testing. 809 00:46:44,092 --> 00:46:46,011 Don King brought Miller Beer to the party 810 00:46:46,094 --> 00:46:47,804 for Willy T.'s first Indy 500 attempt. 811 00:46:47,888 --> 00:46:50,599 Unfortunately partnered with Sherman Armstrong's team. 812 00:46:50,766 --> 00:46:51,892 You could not have brought 813 00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:55,562 that money to a team that cared less about putting a black man 814 00:46:55,646 --> 00:46:56,980 in the Indy 500. 815 00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:00,150 Paul Leffler was the chief mechanic. 816 00:47:00,234 --> 00:47:01,777 And the guy wouldn't talk to me. 817 00:47:01,944 --> 00:47:05,447 I got no information. I got no technical information. 818 00:47:08,283 --> 00:47:10,118 People don't realize first gear in Indianapolis is 819 00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:11,745 over 90 miles an hour. 820 00:47:11,828 --> 00:47:13,997 You're driving at over 220 miles per hour 821 00:47:14,081 --> 00:47:15,791 down the front straight away at Indianapolis. 822 00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:17,876 When you're looking into turn one down there 823 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,922 you look like you're driving into a dead end street. 824 00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:24,758 Can't see around it. You can't see on the other side. 825 00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:27,344 It looks like a dark problem. 826 00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:29,054 You had a big risk 827 00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:30,889 of getting hurt. 828 00:47:33,392 --> 00:47:35,352 Paul didn't say, "All right this is the stage 829 00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:36,395 I want you to do," 830 00:47:36,478 --> 00:47:38,647 and "This is what you should feel." It was 831 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:40,732 "Get in the car and just drive around." 832 00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:45,237 And I did not understand what I was doing. 833 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,992 All he needed was a good car and somebody to work with him. 834 00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:52,494 And like teach him like at Indianapolis, 835 00:47:52,578 --> 00:47:54,746 there's four corners, but they're all different. 836 00:47:56,748 --> 00:47:59,918 Willy T. Indicated that there was somebody on the team 837 00:48:00,294 --> 00:48:03,463 that would prefer not to have had him around. 838 00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:06,925 If you're not getting along with the engineer 839 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,303 its real easy for him to make you look bad. 840 00:48:09,428 --> 00:48:11,346 Engineer is going to prove that he's right 841 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:12,931 and you're wrong. It doesn't matter 842 00:48:13,015 --> 00:48:15,601 and he's gonna-- I mean you're done. 843 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,021 It felt eerie dealing with the guy. 844 00:48:19,104 --> 00:48:21,648 Like he was an executioner. 845 00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:24,901 Driving on a road course is one thing. 846 00:48:24,985 --> 00:48:28,655 But driving around Indy, is totally different. 847 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:30,324 Has nothing to do with 848 00:48:30,616 --> 00:48:32,200 how much balls you got. 849 00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:35,370 It's got everything to do with how much brains you have. 850 00:48:35,537 --> 00:48:39,249 Indy is so fast. The dangers are so great. 851 00:48:44,338 --> 00:48:47,841 If you make a minor mistake you could be in the wall. 852 00:48:48,133 --> 00:48:51,011 And you could take off half the side of the car. 853 00:48:51,094 --> 00:48:53,180 A lot of guys got killed in a race car. 854 00:48:53,263 --> 00:48:54,473 Sometimes two in one night. 855 00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:56,224 Sometimes two in one wreck! 856 00:48:59,603 --> 00:49:01,396 You gotta have brains at Indy. 857 00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:03,065 The ones with balls 858 00:49:05,192 --> 00:49:06,360 are dead. 859 00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:12,699 They fitted me into the car. I was up too high. 860 00:49:12,908 --> 00:49:16,244 And it wasn't explained to me that the air going over the top 861 00:49:16,328 --> 00:49:19,164 of a round surface causes lift. 862 00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:21,083 Windscreens made out of plastic doesn't 863 00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:23,960 sound like much, but depending on how high it is or how 864 00:49:24,044 --> 00:49:27,089 low it is really affects the buffeting on a driver's helmet. 865 00:49:27,297 --> 00:49:29,549 You've got this 200 mile an hour wind that's 866 00:49:29,633 --> 00:49:31,051 throwing your head around. 867 00:49:31,134 --> 00:49:34,054 When you get in a car that's probably not handling really good 868 00:49:34,137 --> 00:49:36,014 and all of a sudden you're asked to go through turn one 869 00:49:36,098 --> 00:49:38,517 flat out or almost flat at 220 miles per hour. 870 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,686 You start thinking about your well-being a little bit. 871 00:49:40,977 --> 00:49:43,772 That thing was a bucket that I wouldn't have sat in. 872 00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:48,860 I don't care who got in that car. It would've scared the shit out of them. 873 00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:53,407 There was a lot of guys on that team at the time that Willy was driving for that 874 00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:56,576 did not want to see Willy in that race car. 875 00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:01,581 They were basically forced to prepare that car for Willy to show up. 876 00:50:01,748 --> 00:50:04,334 They didn't want to be there. For whatever reason. 877 00:50:04,418 --> 00:50:07,587 This stupid little windscreen put on the car 878 00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:10,382 intentionally low. It's there. 879 00:50:10,465 --> 00:50:12,551 There's no question that it's there. But you really 880 00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:15,595 have to be an insider. Very discerning person, 881 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,347 to know that it is too low. 882 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:21,268 And as you're coming up to turn one, a corner that has killed far 883 00:50:21,351 --> 00:50:24,312 too many people. Imagine getting there at 200 miles an hour. 884 00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:28,150 Your head moving around. And you can't actually focus your eyes 885 00:50:28,233 --> 00:50:31,903 on the corner to turn and hit that apex. 886 00:50:32,070 --> 00:50:34,740 My mechanics, they were good people. 887 00:50:34,823 --> 00:50:37,367 But they take orders from Paul Leffler. 888 00:50:38,243 --> 00:50:40,996 I knew he was the most 889 00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,082 racist individual I had met so far. 890 00:50:46,042 --> 00:50:48,462 He'd never seen anybody like Willy T. Ribbs. 891 00:50:50,422 --> 00:50:51,923 I felt helpless. 892 00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:54,551 I called Jim Trueman, I said, 893 00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:58,722 "Jim, what do you think?" He says, "Get out of there." 894 00:51:00,182 --> 00:51:01,308 And so I left. 895 00:51:02,476 --> 00:51:05,479 And by noon on Saturday, 896 00:51:05,562 --> 00:51:08,565 Willy T. Packed up and had gone home. 897 00:51:08,648 --> 00:51:11,985 Thing about it is, you know, you can get hurt here 898 00:51:12,068 --> 00:51:13,487 and you gotta do things right. 899 00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:17,491 If it doesn't feel right then you don't run here. 900 00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:20,035 And the press crucified me. 901 00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:39,012 The drivers knew that Willy T. Ribbs wasn't chicken. 902 00:51:39,095 --> 00:51:44,309 I never thought for a second that he was afraid of the speed. 903 00:51:44,392 --> 00:51:47,521 Willy as a driver was certainly capable of driving anything 904 00:51:47,646 --> 00:51:49,231 that IndyCar could've thrown at him. 905 00:51:49,898 --> 00:51:51,566 Even though we knew the circumstances, 906 00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:54,444 Willy was basically thrown into the fire on that deal. 907 00:51:54,611 --> 00:51:56,905 And it was a no-win situation for him. 908 00:51:57,197 --> 00:52:01,618 People were waiting for him to fail. They were waiting for him to fail. 909 00:52:01,701 --> 00:52:05,330 All they're looking for is confirmation of their beliefs. 910 00:52:05,413 --> 00:52:06,873 That you don't belong. 911 00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:11,503 Chicken and ribs. That was on the menu for the 912 00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:13,713 1985 Indy 500. 913 00:52:14,798 --> 00:52:16,633 That was the first time really you know 914 00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:18,927 in Willy's career that he got laughed at. 915 00:52:20,011 --> 00:52:23,765 Got a lot of criticism for walking away from that. 916 00:52:23,849 --> 00:52:26,852 But he wasn't about to kill himself. 917 00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,024 With Willy's first attempt to make the Indy 500 918 00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:36,862 ending in a sad and honestly somewhat embarrassing fashion. 919 00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:40,282 He went back to a place that he knew where he was comfortable. It was Trans-Am. 920 00:52:42,617 --> 00:52:45,370 The teams, they asked me, "Well, who would you like as your teammate 921 00:52:45,453 --> 00:52:49,291 in 1985, do you want to stay with Pickett or do you want Wally?" 922 00:52:49,708 --> 00:52:50,750 So I said Wally. 923 00:52:50,834 --> 00:52:55,213 I just liked him. He was a clean race driver. And I knew he was fast. 924 00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:58,216 In the first couple races of the '85 season, 925 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,635 we were there to kick everybody's asses. 926 00:53:11,187 --> 00:53:13,857 First five races Willy and Wally take three wins 927 00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:16,985 and they move into the sixth race at Portland. 928 00:53:17,068 --> 00:53:18,737 The points standings coming into Portland, 929 00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:21,323 you had Willy in first and you had Wally in second. 930 00:53:21,406 --> 00:53:23,950 It was a pretty epic battle between Willy and I. 931 00:53:24,075 --> 00:53:26,202 And I knew if I made one mistake, 932 00:53:26,369 --> 00:53:27,913 he was going to pounce. 933 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,792 Wally, he did beat him in Portland 934 00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:34,294 and Willy finished second, 935 00:53:34,502 --> 00:53:36,254 which kinda woke Willy up a little bit. 936 00:53:36,338 --> 00:53:37,797 And that's really when things changed 937 00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:39,257 between Willy and I. 938 00:53:39,341 --> 00:53:40,675 I think Willy just said, "You know what? 939 00:53:40,759 --> 00:53:42,677 I might have to deal with this guy." 940 00:53:42,761 --> 00:53:45,597 I don't believe we said two words to each other 941 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,140 the rest of the season. 942 00:53:48,975 --> 00:53:50,518 Halfway through the '85 season, 943 00:53:50,602 --> 00:53:53,188 Wally and I were really competitive with each other. 944 00:53:53,271 --> 00:53:55,357 We were racing each other in practice. 945 00:53:55,482 --> 00:53:56,775 One particular race, 946 00:53:56,858 --> 00:53:59,736 we were coming out of the hotel at the same time 947 00:53:59,986 --> 00:54:01,363 to go to the race that morning. 948 00:54:01,529 --> 00:54:03,239 And we were both in rental cars. 949 00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:06,326 I know Days of Thunder took that scene from us. 950 00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:09,329 We kinda looked at each other, and that was it. 951 00:54:09,412 --> 00:54:12,791 We tore those rental cars up. 952 00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:15,293 We were in the median. We were in the grass. 953 00:54:15,377 --> 00:54:17,003 We were banging off of each other. 954 00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:20,799 We were actually going down the opposite lane. 955 00:54:20,882 --> 00:54:23,677 My oncoming car came by me on my right. 956 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,429 If we ever got caught doing what we were doing on that road 957 00:54:26,554 --> 00:54:28,264 from the hotel to the racetrack, 958 00:54:28,348 --> 00:54:29,933 we would have been thrown in jail forever. 959 00:54:30,016 --> 00:54:31,267 After two miles of that, 960 00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:33,895 pulled in, brakes were smoking. 961 00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:35,939 We got out of the cars at the same time 962 00:54:36,022 --> 00:54:38,233 and it was just kinda like, 963 00:54:38,525 --> 00:54:41,194 in all the races, in all the years I've raced against Willy, 964 00:54:41,277 --> 00:54:43,405 that was the best race that we ever had. 965 00:54:50,036 --> 00:54:52,205 In Detroit, the Trans-Am race 966 00:54:52,288 --> 00:54:54,541 ran with the Formula One race, 967 00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:56,876 right around the Ford building. 968 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,588 Bernie Ecclestone was over because of the Formula One. 969 00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:02,716 I didn't want to be in Trans-Am for the rest of my life. 970 00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:05,093 I wanted to move on to my ultimate goal. 971 00:55:08,972 --> 00:55:11,349 Don King flies into Detroit. 972 00:55:11,433 --> 00:55:14,436 Don says, "I want to see Bernie Ecclestone." 973 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,980 And you should've seen the look on the face of Roush. 974 00:55:17,063 --> 00:55:19,524 It wouldn't be too strange to assume that 975 00:55:19,607 --> 00:55:22,152 that rubbed Jack Roush the wrong way. 976 00:55:22,444 --> 00:55:24,446 We go up to Bernie's room, 977 00:55:25,238 --> 00:55:26,948 Bernie looks at Don and says, 978 00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:29,909 "What are we going to do with our boy Willy here?" 979 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,412 He's going to be the world champion. Formula One world champion. 980 00:55:33,621 --> 00:55:36,207 "Ah, good," I said. "That's handy, that's nice." 981 00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:41,337 It was planned when the Trans-Am season was over, 982 00:55:41,504 --> 00:55:42,839 I was going to go and test 983 00:55:42,922 --> 00:55:45,759 his Formula One car in Portugal. 984 00:55:52,223 --> 00:55:54,059 Jack Roush was always known to be 985 00:55:54,142 --> 00:55:56,144 a very possessive person. 986 00:55:57,228 --> 00:55:59,481 Someone who, if you drove for him, you were his. 987 00:56:01,274 --> 00:56:04,944 If someone like Jack finds out that Willy T. Has aspirations 988 00:56:05,028 --> 00:56:07,489 to be somewhere other than his car, 989 00:56:07,572 --> 00:56:10,033 that could definitely set some bad things in motion. 990 00:56:12,035 --> 00:56:15,288 There was some components that were put in Wally's car. 991 00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:17,624 I could not understand why 992 00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:20,210 I wasn't getting off the corners. 993 00:56:20,293 --> 00:56:22,504 And before the race, there was a gear 994 00:56:22,587 --> 00:56:24,756 that was put into my car. 995 00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:27,634 A second gear, that was so tall, 996 00:56:27,759 --> 00:56:29,594 the thing stumbled coming off the corners. 997 00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:33,640 No one knows how it happened, but it happened. 998 00:56:41,606 --> 00:56:43,691 Willy became very, very upset about it. 999 00:56:43,775 --> 00:56:44,734 All of a sudden, 1000 00:56:44,818 --> 00:56:46,111 one car will go down the straightaway 1001 00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:48,196 and just pull away. Identical cars, 1002 00:56:48,279 --> 00:56:50,949 that one has like, 20 or more horse power. 1003 00:56:52,492 --> 00:56:55,787 If he had an engine that had 2000 miles on it-- 1004 00:56:56,162 --> 00:56:59,707 This thing's gonna pitch any time, they'd put it in Willy's car. 1005 00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:05,839 Jack Roush was intentionally not helping him. 1006 00:57:07,048 --> 00:57:09,968 It wasn't long into the race that the engine detonated. 1007 00:57:10,176 --> 00:57:12,804 Ribbs is all over the road. 1008 00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:15,473 He's obviously in bad trouble. 1009 00:57:17,392 --> 00:57:21,938 When Jack Roush saw Don King come into the picture, 1010 00:57:22,147 --> 00:57:24,190 that was it. They knew that 1011 00:57:24,274 --> 00:57:26,901 I wanted to go somewhere after '85. 1012 00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:29,821 My relationship with Roush was starting to fail. 1013 00:57:30,655 --> 00:57:32,198 Not everybody loved Willy. 1014 00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:35,034 And there's plenty of rednecks working on race cars 1015 00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:37,912 and they had a problem with the color of his skin, 1016 00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:40,331 and I'm sure the way he was acting. 1017 00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:42,876 But I never remember anybody saying, "Oh, well, 1018 00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:46,129 we're going to put the screws to Willy this weekend." 1019 00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:49,966 All I knew is, Willy T. Ribbs was a damn good racecar driver 1020 00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:52,010 that I had to beat. 1021 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,180 When you have a driver drop off out of nowhere, 1022 00:57:55,263 --> 00:57:57,265 you're going to start to ask why. 1023 00:57:58,808 --> 00:58:00,310 Is it the equipment? 1024 00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:02,437 It's rarely the driver, I can tell you that. 1025 00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:06,691 Willy's attitude was, you give me a car 1026 00:58:06,774 --> 00:58:08,276 and I'm gonna take it up front. 1027 00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:22,832 It was either feast or famine. 1028 00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:24,626 Either you won... 1029 00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:28,296 Or you had a mechanical issue. 1030 00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:32,842 I won eight races. 1031 00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:38,515 51 % of the laps, I led. 1032 00:58:43,019 --> 00:58:44,687 Wally won the championship. 1033 00:58:48,358 --> 00:58:50,735 And Willy finished second. 1034 00:58:50,818 --> 00:58:53,196 I had four mechanical failures that, 1035 00:58:53,279 --> 00:58:55,698 that shouldn't have happened in the engine. 1036 00:58:57,742 --> 00:58:59,244 There was a motor sports journalist 1037 00:58:59,327 --> 00:59:01,663 that wasn't a Willy T. Ribbs fan. 1038 00:59:01,746 --> 00:59:03,790 And he said to Ian Brown, 1039 00:59:04,165 --> 00:59:06,751 "Did you really think they were going to let that nigger 1040 00:59:06,834 --> 00:59:08,461 win a championship?" 1041 00:59:09,921 --> 00:59:11,214 From his standpoint, 1042 00:59:11,297 --> 00:59:14,342 it probably felt like, "It's me against the world." 1043 00:59:15,802 --> 00:59:19,097 I knew I was not gonna be with Roush 1044 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:23,476 after 1985 and I just got to the point where 1045 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,312 I'm not going to go nose to nose with this guy. 1046 00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:28,398 I'm just gonna let it go. 1047 00:59:36,739 --> 00:59:40,868 December of 1985, I fly to Portugal. 1048 00:59:40,952 --> 00:59:42,954 It was a full-blown Formula One test. 1049 00:59:45,164 --> 00:59:47,875 The first black man to test a Formula One car. 1050 00:59:48,084 --> 00:59:49,836 It's lighter than an Indy car. 1051 00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:52,171 Power could almost be double. 1052 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,340 At that point in time, 1053 00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:56,551 I can't think of any other vehicle on the planet earth 1054 00:59:56,634 --> 00:59:58,803 that would have been more violent or demanding 1055 00:59:58,886 --> 01:00:00,888 than a Formula One car. 1056 01:00:00,972 --> 01:00:02,890 Obviously the right thing to do is to see 1057 01:00:03,808 --> 01:00:05,101 if he's quick or not quick, 1058 01:00:05,184 --> 01:00:06,519 or if he can, whatever it is. 1059 01:00:06,769 --> 01:00:09,689 So we had a test session set up for him, 1060 01:00:09,772 --> 01:00:12,567 put him in the car to see how he performed. 1061 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:14,444 I'd never been in a Formula One car. 1062 01:00:16,779 --> 01:00:19,907 Bernie's team manager, he says, 1063 01:00:19,991 --> 01:00:21,701 "I want you to run this time." 1064 01:00:24,662 --> 01:00:26,289 I kept running and I kept getting down, 1065 01:00:26,372 --> 01:00:28,207 down, down in the time. 1066 01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:33,421 Until he says, "All right, I'm gonna put on a set of tires 1067 01:00:33,504 --> 01:00:35,423 and I want you to go out and put this time down." 1068 01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:51,564 I went a second under 1069 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:54,609 the time that they wanted me to do. 1070 01:00:55,443 --> 01:00:59,906 I came in, he says, "Great job." 1071 01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:03,618 He says, "You can get out. This is all we wanted to see." 1072 01:01:03,701 --> 01:01:07,997 And I was to find out later, he bet Bernie that 1073 01:01:08,081 --> 01:01:12,502 I would not get under the time that they, they had for me. 1074 01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:16,506 And we were quite surprised, and happily surprised as well. 1075 01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:18,966 And I thought this is somebody we can get on with, 1076 01:01:19,967 --> 01:01:21,302 and make it all happen. 1077 01:01:21,469 --> 01:01:24,764 So after I came back from Portugal, 1078 01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:26,516 I got a call. 1079 01:01:27,892 --> 01:01:29,727 "We can't put you in the team." 1080 01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:33,940 I'd have loved to have had 1081 01:01:34,023 --> 01:01:37,110 a black world champion in our team. 1082 01:01:37,235 --> 01:01:39,654 It would have been, for me, quite magic. 1083 01:01:40,988 --> 01:01:44,200 The sponsor was Olivetti, which was Italian, 1084 01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:46,327 and they wanted Italian drivers. 1085 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:49,580 Here we go again. 1086 01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:55,878 I got a call from Bill Gardner who owned DiGard racing, 1087 01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:57,338 a NASCAR team. 1088 01:01:57,422 --> 01:02:01,384 And he said, "I'd like to have you come race for us." 1089 01:02:05,138 --> 01:02:08,725 Miller Brewing Company was full blown sponsor of DiGard. 1090 01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:13,730 And when I got there, Miller Brewing Company left. 1091 01:02:15,189 --> 01:02:18,192 Willy heads back to NASCAR and you know what he finds? 1092 01:02:18,359 --> 01:02:20,903 Absolutely nothing has changed. 1093 01:02:20,987 --> 01:02:23,489 Once again, Jim Trueman from Red Roof Inn, 1094 01:02:23,781 --> 01:02:26,617 gave us some money to do selected races. 1095 01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:29,579 My first stock car race 1096 01:02:29,662 --> 01:02:32,081 was North Wilkesboro, North Carolina. 1097 01:02:33,082 --> 01:02:34,292 Klan Country. 1098 01:02:37,086 --> 01:02:40,548 And they announced the driver line up. 1099 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:44,927 When they announced my name, I was booed. 1100 01:02:47,472 --> 01:02:49,599 Blood curling boos. 1101 01:02:51,684 --> 01:02:54,687 Dale Earnhardt looked like he was embarrassed 1102 01:02:54,771 --> 01:02:56,564 that they were booing. 1103 01:02:56,647 --> 01:02:58,274 I can't imagine there was many people 1104 01:02:58,357 --> 01:03:00,693 that were going to be pulling for Willy T. 1105 01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:03,946 They were gonna be pulling for him to wind up in the wall. 1106 01:03:04,030 --> 01:03:05,490 The old adage is... 1107 01:03:05,573 --> 01:03:07,283 "The Civil War is dead, 1108 01:03:07,366 --> 01:03:09,160 but still smoldering." 1109 01:03:11,412 --> 01:03:13,664 Welcome to NASCAR. 1110 01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:15,291 Willy T. Ribbs has won another-- 1111 01:03:18,503 --> 01:03:22,423 Before the race, I was told Jim Trueman was sick. 1112 01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:24,967 And he was fighting and he had cancer. 1113 01:03:26,385 --> 01:03:29,180 Bobby Ray Hall won the Indy 500. 1114 01:03:29,263 --> 01:03:32,725 Jim Trueman was very weak, he could barely stand up. 1115 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:34,644 But he was there at the race. 1116 01:03:34,727 --> 01:03:36,938 It was a tough race. 1117 01:03:37,021 --> 01:03:39,607 And all I said when we were out was win this one for me. 1118 01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:40,775 And he did it. 1119 01:03:42,276 --> 01:03:44,570 Not long afterward, he passed away. 1120 01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:50,159 That was, uh, hard, 1121 01:03:50,243 --> 01:03:54,288 'cause he was the guy that got me... 1122 01:03:55,706 --> 01:03:57,458 out of the dark. 1123 01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:01,879 He got me out of the dark. 1124 01:04:11,055 --> 01:04:14,851 After the first race, we did two more races. 1125 01:04:16,477 --> 01:04:19,522 The final dagger was Watkins Glen. 1126 01:04:19,897 --> 01:04:21,274 It was a road course, 1127 01:04:21,357 --> 01:04:23,943 and that was a race that I could win. 1128 01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:27,864 The engines that we had from Robert Yates, 1129 01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:32,118 every one of them blew in three to four laps. 1130 01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:35,705 This was just testing only. 1131 01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:40,084 He ran into probably a lot more opposition 1132 01:04:40,167 --> 01:04:42,587 as people would rather not have him around. 1133 01:04:42,670 --> 01:04:45,047 They knew in Watkins Glen, 1134 01:04:45,131 --> 01:04:47,633 Willy T. Ribbs was going to be a threat 1135 01:04:47,717 --> 01:04:49,802 and Willy T. Ribbs would probably win. 1136 01:04:50,678 --> 01:04:52,555 NASCAR knew it. 1137 01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:55,516 Bill Gardner knew that this was my best opportunity 1138 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,685 to win a race which would help us 1139 01:04:57,768 --> 01:04:59,979 get a major sponsor. 1140 01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:03,691 Never in my life have I ever heard a team 1141 01:05:03,774 --> 01:05:05,651 blowing up that many engines. 1142 01:05:05,735 --> 01:05:08,988 And having that big a failure without the engine builder 1143 01:05:09,071 --> 01:05:12,909 flying to the track and finding out what's going on. 1144 01:05:13,075 --> 01:05:14,952 Especially after the second engine. 1145 01:05:15,703 --> 01:05:18,122 Why didn't he come up there? 1146 01:05:22,209 --> 01:05:23,711 Right after that, 1147 01:05:23,794 --> 01:05:26,005 the engine builder, Robert Yates became a team owner. 1148 01:05:26,464 --> 01:05:28,716 I wonder what kind of deal was made. 1149 01:05:28,841 --> 01:05:32,678 Bill Gardner got put out of business in two days. 1150 01:05:32,762 --> 01:05:34,513 Two days, he was out of business. 1151 01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:37,433 We had no more engines left. 1152 01:05:37,642 --> 01:05:41,354 And that was the end of my NASCAR career. 1153 01:05:47,401 --> 01:05:50,071 We are underway in the Watkins Glen 300, 1154 01:05:50,154 --> 01:05:53,157 and look at Willy T. Ribbs. Willy T. Will be on the inside, 1155 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,911 a good car length advantage over Denis Aase in turn one. 1156 01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,872 Chuck Looper, who I was very close to at Roush 1157 01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:02,583 was working for a private tier owner, 1158 01:06:02,667 --> 01:06:04,043 who had a car in IMSA. 1159 01:06:04,126 --> 01:06:06,212 Then they had an awesome engine builder. 1160 01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:07,797 Ryan Falconer. 1161 01:06:08,923 --> 01:06:10,925 And Roush was in IMSA. 1162 01:06:11,926 --> 01:06:13,678 And Falconer says, 1163 01:06:13,761 --> 01:06:16,263 "I wanna kick the shit out of Roush. 1164 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,100 Roush can't outbuild me." 1165 01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:20,476 I said, 1166 01:06:20,893 --> 01:06:22,603 "You're going to get your wish." 1167 01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:23,980 Well, look at this. 1168 01:06:24,063 --> 01:06:26,524 Aase and Willy T. Are kinda pulling away right now. 1169 01:06:27,274 --> 01:06:29,402 In IMSA, an endurance race. 1170 01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:30,861 Something where you tend to have co-drivers 1171 01:06:30,945 --> 01:06:32,154 in most instances, 1172 01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:34,323 it's gonna be two hours, four, six. 1173 01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:37,201 That's a new chapter for Willy. 1174 01:06:37,284 --> 01:06:39,286 The checkered flag for Denis Aase. 1175 01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:41,747 He's won the Watkins Glen 300, 1176 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:43,290 Ribbs comes in second 1177 01:06:43,374 --> 01:06:46,335 and down in the pits, you can bet there's a big smile 1178 01:06:46,419 --> 01:06:48,087 on Dan Gurney's face. 1179 01:06:48,295 --> 01:06:50,715 Dan Gurney's Toyotas ended up beating me. 1180 01:06:50,798 --> 01:06:52,258 I finished second. 1181 01:06:52,425 --> 01:06:55,636 Dan Gurney, he's spraying champagne all over me 1182 01:06:55,803 --> 01:06:57,763 and I grabbed him by the arm 1183 01:06:57,930 --> 01:06:59,306 as we were walking off the podium 1184 01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:02,476 and I said, "I wanna race for you in '87." 1185 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,313 The beginning of 1987, my childhood hero, 1186 01:07:06,439 --> 01:07:07,523 I was his driver. 1187 01:07:09,483 --> 01:07:10,985 What a grand performance. 1188 01:07:11,068 --> 01:07:13,446 Willy T. Ribbs is giving what Dan Gurney 1189 01:07:13,529 --> 01:07:15,489 has learned about how to put a car together. 1190 01:07:17,324 --> 01:07:20,036 In auto racing, there's always rivals. 1191 01:07:20,327 --> 01:07:22,747 Roush was in IMSA, 1192 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:25,541 and he was looking for a guy 1193 01:07:25,624 --> 01:07:28,002 that was going to compete against Willy T. Ribbs. 1194 01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:31,255 I raced a full season with Roush Racing. 1195 01:07:31,338 --> 01:07:33,507 Here is Bruce Jenner in the Ford Mustang. 1196 01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:35,217 All these Toyota guys and the Chevy guys 1197 01:07:35,301 --> 01:07:37,136 all were Ford drivers. 1198 01:07:37,636 --> 01:07:39,013 And I've heard of this kid, Scott Pruett. 1199 01:07:39,096 --> 01:07:41,223 I'm looking at this kid as a winner. 1200 01:07:41,307 --> 01:07:44,810 So I said to him, "I would love to have you drive with me." 1201 01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:47,646 I just started this relationship with Ford Motor Company. 1202 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:49,315 And they really liked him. 1203 01:07:49,398 --> 01:07:52,485 Scott Pruett was Roush's new fair-haired boy. 1204 01:07:52,943 --> 01:07:53,986 He had orders. 1205 01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:55,321 Beat Willy T. 1206 01:07:55,696 --> 01:07:57,239 Drag race to the start 1207 01:07:57,323 --> 01:07:59,992 won by Willy T. Ribbs in the '99 car. 1208 01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:01,535 I thought Pruett with that big Mustang 1209 01:08:01,619 --> 01:08:04,080 would have the horse power to get to turn one in first. 1210 01:08:04,163 --> 01:08:05,831 Roush said to his pilot, 1211 01:08:05,998 --> 01:08:08,459 "Make sure Ribbs doesn't win that race up in Portland." 1212 01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:11,378 Jack Roush says, "No bones about it, 1213 01:08:11,462 --> 01:08:13,255 Scott is the best driver I've ever had." 1214 01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:15,257 Willy takes that as a personal insult. 1215 01:08:15,341 --> 01:08:17,885 Scott is here to put the pressure on the Toyota. 1216 01:08:17,968 --> 01:08:20,888 We are willing to see his car not finish if we have to 1217 01:08:20,971 --> 01:08:23,432 in order to keep him under the maximum amount of pressure. 1218 01:08:23,682 --> 01:08:25,851 Roush says, in the last fuel stop, 1219 01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:29,063 "Go after Willy, you know, he was in the lead." 1220 01:08:29,146 --> 01:08:31,649 Scott Pruett, who is one or two laps down 1221 01:08:31,732 --> 01:08:33,442 right behind Willy T. Ribbs. 1222 01:08:34,401 --> 01:08:35,444 Pruett was behind me. 1223 01:08:36,487 --> 01:08:38,906 Ran into the back of me, spun me out. 1224 01:08:38,989 --> 01:08:40,908 Oh, here's a little action in turn nine. 1225 01:08:40,991 --> 01:08:43,536 It's Willy T. Ribbs, and Scott Pruett. 1226 01:08:43,619 --> 01:08:45,663 Looks like they might have gotten together there. 1227 01:08:45,746 --> 01:08:49,458 Gave me a flat tire. Cost me winning the race. 1228 01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:51,794 That spin was very, very costly, 1229 01:08:51,877 --> 01:08:53,295 especially for Willy T. Ribbs. 1230 01:08:53,379 --> 01:08:55,172 The guy's raced you clean the whole race 1231 01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:57,299 and you're taking him out for the victory. 1232 01:08:57,967 --> 01:08:59,009 That's bullshit. 1233 01:08:59,802 --> 01:09:01,137 I pulled in, 1234 01:09:01,262 --> 01:09:02,429 Dan's talking to me, he says, 1235 01:09:02,513 --> 01:09:04,014 "Hey, don't go down, don't say anything, 1236 01:09:04,098 --> 01:09:06,016 don't run down there." Which I didn't. 1237 01:09:06,392 --> 01:09:08,978 As I'm walking down the parking lot pathway, 1238 01:09:09,061 --> 01:09:13,107 here comes Bruce Jenner and Scott Pruett. 1239 01:09:13,190 --> 01:09:15,609 And then all of a sudden, I look up. 1240 01:09:15,693 --> 01:09:17,403 And what's on our windshield 1241 01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:19,822 and on the front of the car, so we can't move forward? 1242 01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:22,783 Willy T. Ribbs. 1243 01:09:23,951 --> 01:09:26,620 I stood right in front of their car. 1244 01:09:26,704 --> 01:09:30,040 And I grabbed Pruett and I nailed him. 1245 01:09:30,124 --> 01:09:33,419 Bam, bam on Pruett. 1246 01:09:33,502 --> 01:09:35,296 He jumps out of the window. 1247 01:09:35,379 --> 01:09:36,922 And I look at him in the rearview mirror, 1248 01:09:37,006 --> 01:09:39,633 and there he is, standing there, just like ready to go. 1249 01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:44,805 Jenner gets out of the car and comes at me. 1250 01:09:45,764 --> 01:09:47,349 I told Jenner, I said, "Look, 1251 01:09:47,641 --> 01:09:49,435 you threw the spear in the Olympics." 1252 01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:51,604 I said, "I'll take the same spear 1253 01:09:51,687 --> 01:09:53,939 and put it up your ass sideways." 1254 01:09:55,774 --> 01:09:57,109 I said, "Just get back in the car." 1255 01:09:57,193 --> 01:09:59,195 And, uh, me, I'm like, I can't believe this. 1256 01:09:59,361 --> 01:10:00,654 I've never been in a fight in my life. 1257 01:10:00,738 --> 01:10:03,157 God gave me fast feet so I can get out of trouble. 1258 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,534 I was like, zoom, I was gone, you know. 1259 01:10:05,784 --> 01:10:09,205 There was a girl that was sitting in the center. 1260 01:10:09,288 --> 01:10:11,624 Pruett uses her as a shield. 1261 01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:14,752 They went to the press room and said, 1262 01:10:15,002 --> 01:10:16,462 I hit the girl. 1263 01:10:17,713 --> 01:10:19,465 I hit Pruett. 1264 01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:21,967 But they said, "Oh, you hit her 1265 01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:23,677 as you were trying to hit Pruett." 1266 01:10:23,886 --> 01:10:27,223 And since he was still on the racetrack grounds, 1267 01:10:28,515 --> 01:10:30,476 they suspended Willy. 1268 01:10:30,559 --> 01:10:33,979 I was suspended without any due process. 1269 01:10:35,397 --> 01:10:39,026 Never had a driver been suspended from IMSA. 1270 01:10:40,402 --> 01:10:44,448 The IMSA officials, Jack Roush, Dan Gurney, 1271 01:10:44,531 --> 01:10:45,658 we all got in one room 1272 01:10:45,741 --> 01:10:50,371 and Gurney stuck his finger into Roush's face and said, 1273 01:10:50,454 --> 01:10:52,706 "Let Ribbs and Pruett handle it. 1274 01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:54,291 And stay out of it." 1275 01:10:54,375 --> 01:10:56,877 That was the end of the on-track battles. 1276 01:10:58,379 --> 01:11:00,506 I didn't want to beat Scott Pruett. 1277 01:11:00,756 --> 01:11:03,175 I wanted to beat Jack Roush. 1278 01:11:03,259 --> 01:11:05,261 He cost me a championship. 1279 01:11:05,636 --> 01:11:07,346 And I hadn't forgotten. 1280 01:11:11,308 --> 01:11:13,060 Dan Gurney's objective 1281 01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:15,229 was to win the Manufacturers Championship. 1282 01:11:15,312 --> 01:11:17,564 Toyota wanted that Manufacturers Championship 1283 01:11:17,856 --> 01:11:19,566 and they wanted to beat Ford. 1284 01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:21,777 And I wanted to beat Roush. 1285 01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:24,113 We've been through 16 races. 1286 01:11:24,488 --> 01:11:25,948 And we're two points apart. 1287 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:27,908 So really, the whole season, 1288 01:11:27,992 --> 01:11:29,493 as far as the manufacturers point championship 1289 01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:31,996 has boiled down to one race, here in Del Mar. 1290 01:11:33,664 --> 01:11:35,499 This is for all the marbles. 1291 01:11:35,833 --> 01:11:37,584 This couldn't be any bigger 1292 01:11:37,668 --> 01:11:41,297 if it was a Larry Holmes-Mike Tyson fight. 1293 01:11:41,797 --> 01:11:43,590 450 horsepower Willy T. Ribbs. 1294 01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:46,135 600 horsepower Scott Pruett. The green flag waves. 1295 01:11:46,218 --> 01:11:47,886 Give it to Pruett as they head down to the corner. 1296 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:50,597 Now you're back with the leader, Scott Pruett, in the number 11 car. 1297 01:11:50,681 --> 01:11:52,850 Now these were two people that were equally matched. 1298 01:11:52,975 --> 01:11:56,979 Willy T. Ribbs' car as he tries to close up on Scott Pruett. 1299 01:11:57,771 --> 01:12:00,316 These are guys who have shaved so much body work 1300 01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:03,235 off of each other. By fighting and pounding. 1301 01:12:03,485 --> 01:12:05,195 Great move by Willy. And he did it. 1302 01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:08,282 Whoa, Willy has muscled by. 1303 01:12:08,365 --> 01:12:11,035 Scott Pruett, he is going to hold his ground and he makes it work. 1304 01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:12,828 Great piece of driving. 1305 01:12:12,911 --> 01:12:15,789 Just over two seconds separate Pruett from Ribbs. 1306 01:12:15,873 --> 01:12:18,083 Laps quickly running down. 1307 01:12:18,167 --> 01:12:19,585 Here we go, down the front straight. 1308 01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:21,670 This is the best shot he's had right now. 1309 01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:24,840 The checkered flag has come out 1310 01:12:24,965 --> 01:12:27,092 just as Scott Pruett made his thrust. 1311 01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:29,553 But Willy T. Holds him off till the line. 1312 01:12:29,636 --> 01:12:32,348 Tremendous! I think that has to be the best GTO race 1313 01:12:32,431 --> 01:12:34,433 we've seen this year. 1314 01:12:34,641 --> 01:12:36,852 Nobody celebrates victory like 1315 01:12:36,935 --> 01:12:39,480 Mr. Excitement Willy T. Ribbs. 1316 01:12:39,563 --> 01:12:41,148 Willy did a fantastic job. 1317 01:12:41,231 --> 01:12:42,649 He had the desire. 1318 01:12:42,733 --> 01:12:44,943 He wanted to win and become a champion. 1319 01:12:47,488 --> 01:12:49,740 We won the Manufacturers Championship. 1320 01:12:49,823 --> 01:12:52,201 I was IMSA driver of the year. 1321 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,372 Imagine winning the Manufacturers Championship for Toyota. 1322 01:12:56,455 --> 01:12:59,583 Winning it for Dan. Winning for your idol. 1323 01:12:59,666 --> 01:13:02,461 This was fairy tale stuff at this point of Willy's career. 1324 01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:06,548 I was starting to feel, 1325 01:13:06,632 --> 01:13:08,884 I've done everything I need to do. 1326 01:13:09,051 --> 01:13:12,388 I need to start working on my ultimate goal. 1327 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:14,014 IndyCar. 1328 01:13:14,098 --> 01:13:16,517 Very few drivers had rides 1329 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,269 'cause they were just good and they got paid. 1330 01:13:19,353 --> 01:13:23,065 You had to find money. You had to find the sponsors. 1331 01:13:24,525 --> 01:13:26,068 You gotta have a rich daddy. 1332 01:13:26,151 --> 01:13:27,820 Or you gotta be a good salesman. 1333 01:13:29,029 --> 01:13:30,614 You need a patron, 1334 01:13:30,781 --> 01:13:32,658 someone who's willing to pay the bills. 1335 01:13:35,244 --> 01:13:38,580 Because it's so frickin' expensive. 1336 01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:41,417 I get a phone call from my dad. 1337 01:13:41,625 --> 01:13:44,545 He said, "Bill Cosby called for you." 1338 01:13:44,711 --> 01:13:47,589 I saw Willy drive 1339 01:13:47,673 --> 01:13:50,092 and I think that Willy 1340 01:13:50,175 --> 01:13:53,178 should be playing with the big fellas. 1341 01:13:53,262 --> 01:13:54,805 He's the most famous man in America. 1342 01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:57,015 America's father at that time. 1343 01:13:58,016 --> 01:13:59,351 The Cosby Show had been 1344 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,979 the number one show for years. 1345 01:14:06,483 --> 01:14:09,695 Remember this was over 20 years before anyone learned 1346 01:14:09,778 --> 01:14:13,073 of the crimes Cosby kept all to himself. 1347 01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:26,545 Two days later, I was in Vegas. 1348 01:14:27,546 --> 01:14:29,089 He answered the door, 1349 01:14:29,756 --> 01:14:31,425 and he lit a cigar, 1350 01:14:31,508 --> 01:14:33,719 and he sat down on the couch. 1351 01:14:33,927 --> 01:14:36,763 "What do you want to do?" I said, "I wanna go to Indy 1352 01:14:36,847 --> 01:14:38,974 and I want to race in the IndyCar championship." 1353 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:43,020 He said to me, "How much is it gonna cost me upfront?" 1354 01:14:43,103 --> 01:14:44,813 I said, "Half a million dollars." 1355 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:49,109 Cosby said, "I'll help seed this project 1356 01:14:49,193 --> 01:14:50,986 to get it started, and I believe 1357 01:14:51,069 --> 01:14:54,406 through my name, my stardom, I can attract sponsors 1358 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:56,158 who will then really start to fill in 1359 01:14:56,241 --> 01:14:57,618 the big sponsorship gaps." 1360 01:14:57,868 --> 01:15:00,120 He is a fine driver and he should be given 1361 01:15:00,204 --> 01:15:01,914 an opportunity and he should have one 1362 01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:06,251 and it's very, very strange that he doesn't have that. 1363 01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:08,420 Yet. 1364 01:15:08,504 --> 01:15:11,798 Cosby was the spokesperson for Coca-Cola. 1365 01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:13,091 Coke is it! 1366 01:15:13,175 --> 01:15:15,552 Cosby goes down there personally, 1367 01:15:15,636 --> 01:15:17,513 met with him, met with him, 1368 01:15:17,596 --> 01:15:21,600 they aren't interested in racing, blah, blah, blah. 1369 01:15:21,683 --> 01:15:23,310 In reality, they're not interested 1370 01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:25,771 in sponsoring Willy T. In racing. 1371 01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:28,315 100 miles in the Coca Cola 600. 1372 01:15:29,066 --> 01:15:31,235 He had Coca-Cola, he had Jell-O. 1373 01:15:31,527 --> 01:15:34,279 He had Kodak. It took a few years. 1374 01:15:34,821 --> 01:15:39,201 We got no support, nothing. 1375 01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:41,537 Willy always worked hard at his career. 1376 01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:43,163 He worked hard to hustle his money. 1377 01:15:43,247 --> 01:15:46,708 He worked hard to meet people and try to build his packages. 1378 01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:48,752 To bring people in. 1379 01:15:49,586 --> 01:15:50,879 Corporate America 1380 01:15:50,963 --> 01:15:53,215 turned their back. 1381 01:15:56,301 --> 01:15:59,429 There was a guy by the name of Derrick Walker. 1382 01:15:59,513 --> 01:16:02,099 He had ran a factory Porsche IndyCar team. 1383 01:16:02,766 --> 01:16:04,268 That deal was over. 1384 01:16:04,768 --> 01:16:06,770 Color blind, someone who is 1385 01:16:06,853 --> 01:16:08,605 looking for the best possible driver 1386 01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:10,399 he can work with. 1387 01:16:10,482 --> 01:16:13,360 I must have been crazy to think that 1388 01:16:13,443 --> 01:16:14,903 I could just go and start a race team. 1389 01:16:14,987 --> 01:16:16,363 But that's what I did. 1390 01:16:16,446 --> 01:16:18,615 Somebody told me Willy T. Ribbs has got some money 1391 01:16:18,699 --> 01:16:20,617 and he wants to go to the Indy 500. 1392 01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:23,662 I bumped into him and mentioned, "Shall we talk?" 1393 01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:27,082 So I called Bill Cosby and I said, 1394 01:16:27,165 --> 01:16:29,001 "Derrick Walker is available. 1395 01:16:29,126 --> 01:16:32,087 He knows how to put a winning team together." 1396 01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:33,463 I said, "Let's get him." 1397 01:16:33,714 --> 01:16:35,549 Bingo! We had a program. 1398 01:16:35,632 --> 01:16:38,260 We didn't have a lot of money but we had a start. 1399 01:16:38,427 --> 01:16:40,512 And that's all it took. 1400 01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:43,515 Derrick Walker was assembling a team right away 1401 01:16:43,682 --> 01:16:46,101 for the 1991 Indy 500. 1402 01:16:48,437 --> 01:16:49,980 If you're looking to run an Indy car, 1403 01:16:50,063 --> 01:16:51,815 you're looking for millions. 1404 01:16:52,107 --> 01:16:56,153 And with Cosby being willing to contribute $350,000, 1405 01:16:56,653 --> 01:16:59,323 you would not want to go any lower than that. 1406 01:16:59,406 --> 01:17:01,033 It's no secret that to be competitive 1407 01:17:01,116 --> 01:17:02,367 in today's IndyCar racing 1408 01:17:02,618 --> 01:17:04,536 requires a tremendous amount of money. 1409 01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:05,871 Just consider, today's going rate 1410 01:17:05,954 --> 01:17:09,082 for a 1991 chassis is $305,000. 1411 01:17:09,207 --> 01:17:11,585 Engines are close to $100,000 each. 1412 01:17:11,710 --> 01:17:13,837 Tires cost about $900 a set. 1413 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,632 And at Indianapolis, you'll need 20 sets. 1414 01:17:16,882 --> 01:17:19,384 When you were at Walker Racing in 1991, 1415 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:21,011 a brand new race team, 1416 01:17:21,136 --> 01:17:24,765 you had hand-me-down equipment from other teams. 1417 01:17:24,931 --> 01:17:27,976 Engines that weren't necessarily brand new. 1418 01:17:28,143 --> 01:17:30,020 You were at a disadvantage from the moment 1419 01:17:30,103 --> 01:17:32,773 you rolled that car on the racetrack. 1420 01:17:32,856 --> 01:17:35,150 If you were with a smaller team like Walker Racing, 1421 01:17:35,484 --> 01:17:37,527 if you could buy half of a hot dog for lunch, 1422 01:17:37,611 --> 01:17:38,779 and save money, you would. 1423 01:17:38,862 --> 01:17:41,865 We went there with just enough money to get there basically, 1424 01:17:41,948 --> 01:17:45,035 and as you know, the whole month is high pressure, high money 1425 01:17:45,118 --> 01:17:47,704 and a lot of work and a lot of pieces you need. 1426 01:17:47,788 --> 01:17:48,997 The disparity in budgets 1427 01:17:49,081 --> 01:17:51,124 between the big and small teams is rather huge. 1428 01:17:51,416 --> 01:17:53,669 I had less of a budget 1429 01:17:53,752 --> 01:17:58,090 to go to Indy in 1991 than I did in 1985. 1430 01:17:58,173 --> 01:18:00,676 I had Miller Brewing Company in 1985. 1431 01:18:02,386 --> 01:18:05,138 I had just Bill Cosby's money 1432 01:18:05,889 --> 01:18:07,265 for that one race. 1433 01:18:07,974 --> 01:18:10,435 With the $350,000, 1434 01:18:10,644 --> 01:18:13,563 Derrick Walker found a used 1990 Lola. 1435 01:18:13,647 --> 01:18:15,065 It was in sad shape. 1436 01:18:15,232 --> 01:18:17,526 We had to rebuild the car as well as, 1437 01:18:17,609 --> 01:18:20,195 you know, put the engine in and all that stuff. 1438 01:18:20,278 --> 01:18:23,073 So that was our only means, we couldn't afford anything else. 1439 01:18:23,156 --> 01:18:25,784 It was, "That's the only choice we've got." 1440 01:18:25,909 --> 01:18:29,538 Derrick Walker and his marketing guy 1441 01:18:29,621 --> 01:18:32,749 wanted to change the color. They wanted to have it bright 1442 01:18:32,833 --> 01:18:37,129 and chartreuse and you could see it 20 miles away. 1443 01:18:38,296 --> 01:18:40,465 Why? I don't know. 1444 01:18:40,632 --> 01:18:42,592 The color was, 1445 01:18:42,676 --> 01:18:46,096 on a bright day, you needed glasses to look at it. 1446 01:18:46,304 --> 01:18:49,725 Race cars are supposed to be Ferrari red. 1447 01:18:49,808 --> 01:18:52,602 Supposed to have some sort of macho-racy look. 1448 01:18:52,686 --> 01:18:55,605 This thing didn't look macho at all. 1449 01:18:56,189 --> 01:18:57,816 He's got this car that he thinks is ugly 1450 01:18:57,899 --> 01:18:59,609 but everyone in the grandstands thinks it's beautiful 1451 01:18:59,693 --> 01:19:01,486 because you can see this yellow and red car 1452 01:19:01,653 --> 01:19:03,572 from all over the place. 1453 01:19:03,655 --> 01:19:06,575 But you knew it wasn't the best equipment in the world. 1454 01:19:08,285 --> 01:19:10,537 At Indy, just like any other form of racing, 1455 01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:12,831 you've got to have the right car. 1456 01:19:12,914 --> 01:19:14,624 And if you don't have the right sponsorship 1457 01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:17,002 and the right car, you just can't shine. 1458 01:19:19,421 --> 01:19:20,964 So if you're going in there with half the money 1459 01:19:21,214 --> 01:19:23,842 that some of these other teams have, 1460 01:19:23,925 --> 01:19:25,343 you can just pretty much figure that 1461 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:27,387 you're not going to be as fast as them. 1462 01:19:27,471 --> 01:19:29,097 Unless you have the money, 1463 01:19:30,223 --> 01:19:33,518 and the resources and the people 1464 01:19:33,685 --> 01:19:36,396 as good as the guys you're trying to beat, 1465 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:37,689 you're not gonna do it. 1466 01:19:38,690 --> 01:19:40,317 I had a group though. 1467 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,570 I knew we were, we were going to be strong. 1468 01:19:43,653 --> 01:19:46,364 Tim Wardrop was our engineer. 1469 01:19:46,448 --> 01:19:48,492 The communication difference between 1470 01:19:48,575 --> 01:19:52,913 Leffler and Wardrop was night and day. 1471 01:19:53,079 --> 01:19:57,209 He had won Indy three times as an engineer. 1472 01:19:57,375 --> 01:19:59,836 His intelligence was unreal 1473 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,839 when it came to setting up an Indy car. 1474 01:20:02,923 --> 01:20:04,382 Before a driver climbs into the car, 1475 01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:06,301 straps in and drives off, 1476 01:20:06,384 --> 01:20:07,886 you have an engineer. 1477 01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:10,096 Tim Wardrop is going to make sure the car 1478 01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:13,058 has the best suspension settings possible, 1479 01:20:13,225 --> 01:20:15,435 make sure that the car has enough air 1480 01:20:15,519 --> 01:20:17,270 pushing the car to the ground. 1481 01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:20,190 Those wings both in front and back. 1482 01:20:20,273 --> 01:20:22,651 They're like inverted airplane wings. 1483 01:20:22,734 --> 01:20:24,069 And when that wind hits it, 1484 01:20:24,152 --> 01:20:26,196 it sucks the car to the ground. 1485 01:20:26,404 --> 01:20:30,075 Those are all decisions made by the race engineer. 1486 01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:32,661 He was getting my thoughts 1487 01:20:32,744 --> 01:20:35,288 on how I like a car. 1488 01:20:37,457 --> 01:20:38,875 And then at the same time, 1489 01:20:38,959 --> 01:20:41,795 he was telling me what I would feel. 1490 01:20:41,878 --> 01:20:45,257 This is what you wanna look for in the car. 1491 01:20:45,423 --> 01:20:47,300 That was invaluable. 1492 01:20:47,384 --> 01:20:50,971 Willy saw Tim Wardrop as right up his alley. 1493 01:20:51,054 --> 01:20:53,682 He was, for us as a startup team, 1494 01:20:53,849 --> 01:20:55,058 a godsend because 1495 01:20:55,433 --> 01:20:58,228 we didn't have an army of engineers, we had one guy. 1496 01:20:58,311 --> 01:20:59,688 He clicked with Willy. 1497 01:20:59,938 --> 01:21:01,189 Meet Willy Ribbs. 1498 01:21:01,273 --> 01:21:03,358 Willy hopes to be the first black driver 1499 01:21:03,441 --> 01:21:04,943 in the history of a race. 1500 01:21:05,068 --> 01:21:06,987 When we found out Willy T. Was coming back 1501 01:21:07,070 --> 01:21:08,446 to try to qualify, 1502 01:21:08,530 --> 01:21:11,408 everybody was excited again. The buzz was back. 1503 01:21:11,575 --> 01:21:12,784 Our guy was back. 1504 01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:15,370 There was a lot of hype around Derrick Walker, 1505 01:21:15,453 --> 01:21:18,456 Walker Racing coming here and coming with Willy Ribbs. 1506 01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:21,501 Bill Cosby's involved. There's all this craziness. 1507 01:21:21,585 --> 01:21:23,670 How much has Cos had as far as input? 1508 01:21:23,753 --> 01:21:26,047 He hasn't been here physically, but do you talk to him? 1509 01:21:26,172 --> 01:21:27,716 Well, we've been getting Jell-O 1510 01:21:27,799 --> 01:21:29,801 sent to us every day. 1511 01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:32,178 Willy had been waiting for that good ride 1512 01:21:32,262 --> 01:21:34,180 that we all strive to get. 1513 01:21:34,264 --> 01:21:36,391 It wasn't coming around for him. 1514 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,560 He loved the sport enough 1515 01:21:38,643 --> 01:21:41,479 that he goes, "Look, I'm going to take a gamble here 1516 01:21:41,563 --> 01:21:45,442 and go with a car that I don't think is quite up to par." 1517 01:21:47,027 --> 01:21:49,070 The first day of time trials. 1518 01:21:49,154 --> 01:21:51,239 The run for the pole and in many ways, 1519 01:21:51,323 --> 01:21:54,034 the second most important day of the racing year. 1520 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,744 So, qualifying for Indianapolis 1521 01:21:55,827 --> 01:21:57,162 is called a month of May. 1522 01:21:57,245 --> 01:21:59,039 While you're at Indy for a month, 1523 01:21:59,164 --> 01:22:01,833 you run every day. 1524 01:22:01,917 --> 01:22:03,585 And every day, 1525 01:22:03,668 --> 01:22:05,712 you're showing up at the racetrack 1526 01:22:05,795 --> 01:22:07,672 and you're trying to find speed. 1527 01:22:11,051 --> 01:22:13,094 So they practice and see how fast they can go 1528 01:22:13,261 --> 01:22:15,138 and then they qualify. There's four days. 1529 01:22:15,221 --> 01:22:17,474 You qualify the first day, that's up front. 1530 01:22:17,682 --> 01:22:19,392 Second day, it's going to be behind 1531 01:22:19,476 --> 01:22:21,186 the first day qualifiers. 1532 01:22:21,269 --> 01:22:24,940 Third day behind second day and the fourth day, so on. 1533 01:22:25,023 --> 01:22:27,025 The third weekend of the month 1534 01:22:27,108 --> 01:22:29,861 finishes out the field and the top 33 cars make it 1535 01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,947 and everybody else goes home. 1536 01:22:33,448 --> 01:22:34,282 Most races, 1537 01:22:34,366 --> 01:22:36,368 they take your fastest lap 1538 01:22:36,576 --> 01:22:38,954 and they take your qualifying speed. 1539 01:22:39,037 --> 01:22:41,790 At Indy, four laps. 1540 01:22:42,457 --> 01:22:43,750 You have to run. 1541 01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:45,752 Or ten miles 1542 01:22:46,878 --> 01:22:49,047 And in that ten miles, 1543 01:22:49,422 --> 01:22:51,841 they take your average speed 1544 01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,011 against all the other drivers' average speed 1545 01:22:55,095 --> 01:22:56,429 and that's how you qualify. 1546 01:22:56,721 --> 01:23:00,225 That's where the testicles come in. 1547 01:23:00,308 --> 01:23:04,938 Ten miles, anything can happen in ten miles, anything. 1548 01:23:23,498 --> 01:23:24,416 At Indy, 1549 01:23:24,582 --> 01:23:27,335 you've got three chances to qualify with each car. 1550 01:23:27,544 --> 01:23:30,046 For the bigger teams, they are going to have multiple cars. 1551 01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:31,631 They're multiplying their chances. 1552 01:23:31,715 --> 01:23:33,633 If you were not one of the wealthy teams, 1553 01:23:33,717 --> 01:23:35,969 which was the Walker experience, 1554 01:23:36,052 --> 01:23:38,596 you've got one car. You've got three chances. 1555 01:23:38,763 --> 01:23:41,141 You loose any of those three chances, 1556 01:23:41,224 --> 01:23:43,893 temperature starts rising and the odds of you making it 1557 01:23:43,977 --> 01:23:45,812 in the show goes down drastically. 1558 01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:51,192 The track is open for qualifications. 1559 01:23:51,276 --> 01:23:54,154 We purposely didn't qualify on pole day, 1560 01:23:54,237 --> 01:23:56,364 because Derrick wanted to get more track time. 1561 01:23:56,573 --> 01:23:58,908 Tim Wardrop wanted to get more track time. 1562 01:23:59,034 --> 01:24:03,913 And so, we went to the following weekend to qualify. 1563 01:24:03,997 --> 01:24:07,333 At that time, the rules allowed you to go with 1564 01:24:07,417 --> 01:24:11,671 a Buick turbocharged engine and it had more power. 1565 01:24:11,755 --> 01:24:14,257 And Derrick thought and Wardrop thought, 1566 01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:16,843 "Look, let's get some horse power out of this thing." 1567 01:24:16,926 --> 01:24:18,720 So we went to the Buick engine. 1568 01:24:18,803 --> 01:24:21,097 Buick is a bigger engine, it's heavier. 1569 01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:23,933 That took a few days to get done. 1570 01:24:24,017 --> 01:24:26,061 So I was losing track of time 1571 01:24:26,144 --> 01:24:28,605 because we had to totally change the car. 1572 01:24:28,688 --> 01:24:30,940 Came out the second week, started running. 1573 01:24:31,024 --> 01:24:34,402 Up to speed, two laps, get her up to speed and get it going. 1574 01:24:34,778 --> 01:24:37,322 If it don't feel right, just get on the radio 1575 01:24:37,405 --> 01:24:39,407 or put your hand up, we'll wave it off. 1576 01:24:39,491 --> 01:24:41,159 You know, three attempts, so no rush. 1577 01:24:41,242 --> 01:24:42,327 Okay, well-- 1578 01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:44,287 - Right on the ballpark. - All right. 1579 01:24:44,871 --> 01:24:47,373 Listen for that valve in case that valve blows off, 1580 01:24:47,457 --> 01:24:50,043 just bag it back a bit if it does come up. 1581 01:24:50,126 --> 01:24:52,128 - Okay. - But you'll be all right. 1582 01:24:52,212 --> 01:24:53,421 Nice and consistent. 1583 01:24:54,839 --> 01:24:57,675 The engine had lots of power when it was going. 1584 01:24:58,635 --> 01:25:00,303 But it never went too long. 1585 01:25:00,804 --> 01:25:02,889 It was like a ticking time bomb. 1586 01:25:03,098 --> 01:25:05,058 Looks like we have a blown engine. 1587 01:25:05,141 --> 01:25:06,684 Yeah, looks like Willy T. Ribbs. 1588 01:25:06,768 --> 01:25:08,520 Buick engines in this era 1589 01:25:08,603 --> 01:25:11,314 were six cylinder turbocharged fireworks. 1590 01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:14,859 This was a bad, bad situation. 1591 01:25:15,902 --> 01:25:18,321 People were actually feeling really sorry for us 1592 01:25:18,404 --> 01:25:21,032 'cause they look up, then here goes Willy again. 1593 01:25:21,407 --> 01:25:22,659 Big cloud of smoke. 1594 01:25:22,992 --> 01:25:24,828 That's the only race I found. 1595 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:26,621 Since I've been racing that 1596 01:25:26,913 --> 01:25:29,290 there's camaraderie amongst the drivers. 1597 01:25:29,374 --> 01:25:32,377 There, you almost have sympathy, 1598 01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:34,921 and empathy for each other. 1599 01:25:35,171 --> 01:25:38,174 They look at each other with total respect 1600 01:25:38,299 --> 01:25:39,759 and total understanding 1601 01:25:39,843 --> 01:25:43,054 because of the nature of the beast. 1602 01:25:44,597 --> 01:25:47,976 One of the most important people that 1603 01:25:48,059 --> 01:25:50,103 came to see me was Joie Ray. 1604 01:25:50,186 --> 01:25:51,604 Awesome race driver, 1605 01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:53,398 who happened to be African-American. 1606 01:25:55,733 --> 01:25:57,193 The generation before me 1607 01:25:57,610 --> 01:25:59,779 who never got the opportunity. 1608 01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:01,698 Joie Ray was a badass. 1609 01:26:01,948 --> 01:26:03,199 Under... 1610 01:26:04,784 --> 01:26:05,994 On ovals... 1611 01:26:07,787 --> 01:26:09,581 Joie Ray was awesome. 1612 01:26:12,041 --> 01:26:13,459 He came to my pit 1613 01:26:13,543 --> 01:26:16,004 and he was standing behind the rope. 1614 01:26:16,796 --> 01:26:19,007 I walked out immediately and I said, 1615 01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:20,675 "Why are you standing here? Come in." 1616 01:26:20,758 --> 01:26:22,468 "Oh, I didn't want to bother you." 1617 01:26:22,552 --> 01:26:23,928 Bullshit. 1618 01:26:24,095 --> 01:26:27,974 Every day that you come, you come straight into the garage. 1619 01:26:29,392 --> 01:26:31,811 He gave me a lot of confidence. 1620 01:26:31,895 --> 01:26:33,980 Just his energy. 1621 01:26:34,063 --> 01:26:36,399 I was so honored to have him there. 1622 01:26:36,524 --> 01:26:38,401 Every day, he would come 1623 01:26:38,484 --> 01:26:41,279 and every day, he was in my pit. 1624 01:26:43,489 --> 01:26:45,909 During the month of May, you meet a lot of people. 1625 01:26:45,992 --> 01:26:48,036 A lot of people that you've never met before. 1626 01:26:48,286 --> 01:26:51,873 Rick Mears is a four-time Indy champion. 1627 01:26:51,956 --> 01:26:54,792 Willy went over and talked to Rick during his qualifying 1628 01:26:54,876 --> 01:26:56,753 trying to get the car to settle down. 1629 01:26:56,878 --> 01:26:58,213 Rick Mears had noticed 1630 01:26:58,296 --> 01:27:02,592 that I was making my entry to the corner too soon. 1631 01:27:02,842 --> 01:27:05,887 He said to me, "You're diamonding the corner. 1632 01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:08,097 I want you to bowl the corner. 1633 01:27:08,181 --> 01:27:11,684 I want you to get to the corner and wait till the last second. 1634 01:27:12,101 --> 01:27:13,603 Don't turn down early." 1635 01:27:13,686 --> 01:27:15,730 Rick Mears became a school teacher said Willy. 1636 01:27:15,813 --> 01:27:19,442 "You need to do this, this, this and this." 1637 01:27:19,567 --> 01:27:21,361 Just with that one little move, 1638 01:27:21,444 --> 01:27:24,948 I picked up five miles per hour, just like that. 1639 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,867 Unfortunately, the reliability of the car 1640 01:27:27,951 --> 01:27:31,120 has not been as good as Willy's speed has been. 1641 01:27:31,204 --> 01:27:34,207 We wanted to go out and find out if there was any problems 1642 01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:38,461 and you know, we have a little bit of a clutch problem right now. 1643 01:27:38,544 --> 01:27:41,297 So we want to get that sorted out. 1644 01:27:41,923 --> 01:27:44,384 When you start Indy with $350,000, 1645 01:27:44,509 --> 01:27:46,511 your money is already spent by the time you show up 1646 01:27:46,594 --> 01:27:50,556 on a used car, used engine, used everything. 1647 01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:53,726 As you crash or you blow an engine, 1648 01:27:53,893 --> 01:27:56,562 things really start to get stressed. 1649 01:27:56,646 --> 01:27:59,315 So what happens, blows one motor. 1650 01:27:59,732 --> 01:28:02,652 Another engine blows. 1651 01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:06,781 We're talking three motors in total are blown. 1652 01:28:08,616 --> 01:28:10,159 We were out of engines. 1653 01:28:19,711 --> 01:28:21,462 I think there was a sense of pity, 1654 01:28:21,546 --> 01:28:23,339 that this wasn't deserved. 1655 01:28:23,548 --> 01:28:26,384 I don't know how they kept going. 1656 01:28:26,467 --> 01:28:28,553 Derrick Walker, his team manager and team owner 1657 01:28:28,636 --> 01:28:30,054 who actually owns the car 1658 01:28:30,138 --> 01:28:32,223 told me last night, "Derek, I'm out of business." 1659 01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:37,061 Do you think he'll get in? 1660 01:28:37,145 --> 01:28:39,522 Just a gut feel. Are they gonna make it or not? 1661 01:28:40,815 --> 01:28:42,317 It's so hard. 1662 01:28:47,447 --> 01:28:50,366 We were out of money and out of everything. 1663 01:28:50,575 --> 01:28:54,746 And not knowing what to do coming down to the wire. 1664 01:28:54,829 --> 01:28:58,041 And Buick really tried to help all of its teams 1665 01:28:58,124 --> 01:29:00,626 that ran its engine. 1666 01:29:00,710 --> 01:29:03,046 Scott Brayton's team, it was a Buick team. 1667 01:29:03,129 --> 01:29:06,132 They had an engine there which was owned by Buick. 1668 01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:08,885 Through a lot of phone calls, 1669 01:29:08,968 --> 01:29:10,928 a lot of pleading on Derrick Walker's end, 1670 01:29:11,054 --> 01:29:13,848 and others lobbying Buick to step in. 1671 01:29:13,931 --> 01:29:16,225 "Hey, is there something you can do? 1672 01:29:16,309 --> 01:29:17,810 We've got nothing left. 1673 01:29:17,894 --> 01:29:21,147 We don't have money to buy ourselves out of this problem. 1674 01:29:21,314 --> 01:29:23,649 Can you intervene to help us?" 1675 01:29:23,941 --> 01:29:26,277 The Buick Motor Sports representative 1676 01:29:26,361 --> 01:29:28,279 did not want to give us another engine. 1677 01:29:29,197 --> 01:29:30,531 He said no. 1678 01:29:32,116 --> 01:29:35,620 And there was some, some squeezing, 1679 01:29:35,703 --> 01:29:39,457 some, some nut squeezing on Sunday. 1680 01:29:42,043 --> 01:29:44,378 Somebody got their balls squeezed real hard 1681 01:29:44,462 --> 01:29:46,839 and how bad it was gonna look if Buick 1682 01:29:46,923 --> 01:29:49,133 didn't have an engine for me. 1683 01:29:56,516 --> 01:29:58,476 And we had an engine. 1684 01:30:02,105 --> 01:30:04,232 And then it's bump day. 1685 01:30:04,315 --> 01:30:07,860 This is your one last day to get into the Indy 500. 1686 01:30:10,613 --> 01:30:12,406 More than 33 cars showed up. 1687 01:30:12,698 --> 01:30:14,909 The fastest 33 take the start, 1688 01:30:14,992 --> 01:30:17,703 everyone else goes home. End of story. 1689 01:30:17,787 --> 01:30:20,331 It was a nerve-racking experience. 1690 01:30:20,414 --> 01:30:23,126 Because you always had more cars than you had positions. 1691 01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:27,046 So we were really worried at not being fast enough 1692 01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:29,298 and not getting a chance. 1693 01:30:29,549 --> 01:30:30,925 We had a problem early in the morning 1694 01:30:31,008 --> 01:30:32,135 with this new motor. 1695 01:30:32,218 --> 01:30:36,722 Oh, my God, we broke another motor yet again. 1696 01:30:36,806 --> 01:30:40,017 All right, just smoking. 1697 01:30:40,268 --> 01:30:41,853 We're dead meat, we are gonna go home. 1698 01:30:41,936 --> 01:30:45,064 No, no, it's not your fault. 1699 01:30:45,148 --> 01:30:47,984 We told them it was laying down on us so... 1700 01:30:48,317 --> 01:30:52,488 The thing was just laboring the whole time. 1701 01:30:52,572 --> 01:30:56,784 And then when I went out this time, the thing just died. 1702 01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,912 Did you just lose power or did it feel mechanical? 1703 01:30:59,996 --> 01:31:01,789 - Just lost power. - And no boost? 1704 01:31:02,123 --> 01:31:03,207 Uh, no boost. 1705 01:31:03,291 --> 01:31:04,876 So it maybe in the turbo. 1706 01:31:04,959 --> 01:31:06,127 When the turbo blows, 1707 01:31:06,210 --> 01:31:08,921 it's not just replacing a single part. 1708 01:31:09,046 --> 01:31:11,048 It's concerns about, did metal shavings 1709 01:31:11,132 --> 01:31:13,259 and other things get into the oil system? 1710 01:31:13,467 --> 01:31:15,636 So rather than just unbolting the broken piece 1711 01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,305 and putting a fresh one in, 1712 01:31:17,388 --> 01:31:20,183 the team also has to do a forensic investigation 1713 01:31:20,266 --> 01:31:22,768 and lose more time. 1714 01:31:22,852 --> 01:31:26,355 The point is that at six o'clock this afternoon Indy time, 1715 01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,984 it's all over, there are no more chances to make the show. 1716 01:31:30,067 --> 01:31:33,070 Probably the wildest roller coaster ride 1717 01:31:33,237 --> 01:31:35,698 of the month in terms of emotions has been experienced 1718 01:31:35,781 --> 01:31:37,533 by Willy Ribbs, attempting to become 1719 01:31:37,617 --> 01:31:40,036 the first black driver ever to make the race. 1720 01:31:40,119 --> 01:31:41,621 Getting into the race 1721 01:31:41,787 --> 01:31:43,414 is gonna require an average speed 1722 01:31:43,497 --> 01:31:45,875 of about 217 miles an hour. 1723 01:31:46,375 --> 01:31:48,794 He hadn't been over 210. 1724 01:31:48,961 --> 01:31:50,504 Might not sound like much. 1725 01:31:50,671 --> 01:31:53,966 It is night and day difference. 1726 01:31:54,050 --> 01:31:55,509 We were searching for the speed 1727 01:31:55,593 --> 01:31:57,970 and it wasn't coming easily and Willy was getting 1728 01:31:58,054 --> 01:32:01,724 very frustrated, quite dejected that, "We can't do it, man, 1729 01:32:01,807 --> 01:32:03,768 we can't do it. It's just no way." 1730 01:32:03,851 --> 01:32:05,561 How many spots are left? 1731 01:32:05,811 --> 01:32:07,021 The field is full. 1732 01:32:07,104 --> 01:32:09,440 Okay, who hasn't run yet? 1733 01:32:09,523 --> 01:32:10,358 Didier. 1734 01:32:10,441 --> 01:32:12,818 We've got Didier, you, Randy. 1735 01:32:13,277 --> 01:32:14,820 Randy's not running. 1736 01:32:14,904 --> 01:32:16,572 - Huh? - Randy's not running. 1737 01:32:16,656 --> 01:32:17,490 They're putting another motor in it. 1738 01:32:17,573 --> 01:32:18,950 - Are they? - I heard. 1739 01:32:20,868 --> 01:32:21,869 Fuck... 1740 01:32:25,248 --> 01:32:27,917 It took a lot of resolve. 1741 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,379 I had to really look inside myself, 1742 01:32:31,712 --> 01:32:34,757 and say, "All right, you gotta deal with all this. 1743 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,261 But you got to keep going and you gotta keep your edge. 1744 01:32:38,344 --> 01:32:40,012 You gotta keep that toughness 1745 01:32:40,096 --> 01:32:42,014 that you were taught by your grandpa." 1746 01:32:45,351 --> 01:32:47,770 Tim Wardrop showed Willy a set of tires 1747 01:32:47,979 --> 01:32:49,605 and basically said, these are special. 1748 01:32:49,772 --> 01:32:53,150 The tires that he called "Magic tires." 1749 01:32:53,234 --> 01:32:55,319 He says, "I've been saving them 1750 01:32:55,403 --> 01:32:58,781 and I've kept them wrapped up in a closet." 1751 01:32:58,864 --> 01:33:01,117 He didn't want anyone in the team to know 1752 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,204 where they were until that final day. 1753 01:33:05,288 --> 01:33:07,081 Willy thought, "Wow, he's got special tires. 1754 01:33:07,164 --> 01:33:09,917 He's done something to those tires to make them really fast." 1755 01:33:10,001 --> 01:33:12,253 If you ask any driver, if you tell them 1756 01:33:12,461 --> 01:33:15,506 "special," they all want special. 1757 01:33:15,589 --> 01:33:17,800 To a driver this is the magic set of tires. 1758 01:33:17,883 --> 01:33:19,260 These are gonna do it. 1759 01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:22,388 When you think that, it makes a difference. 1760 01:33:23,055 --> 01:33:25,266 You will go out and go faster. 1761 01:33:25,558 --> 01:33:27,685 Honest to God, it happens. 1762 01:33:28,811 --> 01:33:31,314 Oftentimes your brain and what you think 1763 01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:32,898 will stop you. 1764 01:33:32,982 --> 01:33:35,860 Good engineers know this about drivers. 1765 01:33:35,943 --> 01:33:37,361 We're all that way. 1766 01:33:37,445 --> 01:33:40,531 We are going to be limited to what we think is our limit. 1767 01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:43,534 It's a brilliant move. 1768 01:33:44,994 --> 01:33:46,287 It's a dangerous move. 1769 01:33:50,207 --> 01:33:52,293 He said, "I want you to go out and in, 1770 01:33:52,376 --> 01:33:55,087 make sure they're balanced, all the wheel rates feel fine." 1771 01:34:00,259 --> 01:34:02,303 They were like glue. 1772 01:34:03,179 --> 01:34:05,598 They were like glue. 1773 01:34:05,681 --> 01:34:09,101 This morning, we were struggling around 210-211, 1774 01:34:09,185 --> 01:34:10,936 and we're scratching our heads, we haven't changed a thing 1775 01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:13,439 and then we found out we just had a bad set of tires. 1776 01:34:13,522 --> 01:34:15,066 And as soon as we strapped the tires on, 1777 01:34:15,149 --> 01:34:17,777 we got going straight away 215. 1778 01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:19,028 Truth be known, 1779 01:34:19,111 --> 01:34:21,989 there probably were two or three sets of magic tires. 1780 01:34:22,281 --> 01:34:24,200 At the end of the day, he just made the stagger 1781 01:34:24,283 --> 01:34:25,659 a little differently. 1782 01:34:25,785 --> 01:34:29,372 The fact that Tim was able to tell Willy for once, 1783 01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:32,500 this month we have a secret advantage for you 1784 01:34:32,583 --> 01:34:35,753 that is going to help get you into the show. 1785 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,047 That's the one thing Willy never had. 1786 01:34:38,130 --> 01:34:39,507 We pushed that car down 1787 01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:41,759 to put it in line for qualifying. 1788 01:34:43,386 --> 01:34:45,137 Willy had made two incomplete attempts 1789 01:34:45,221 --> 01:34:47,139 so he was down to the final strike. 1790 01:34:47,515 --> 01:34:49,308 Tim Wardrop says, "You ready to go?" 1791 01:34:49,392 --> 01:34:50,810 I said, "Yeah." 1792 01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:53,187 He says, "Strong like bull, 1793 01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:55,689 cool like cucumber, let's go do it." 1794 01:34:58,317 --> 01:35:02,571 He had tears in his eyes. He had tears in his eyes. 1795 01:35:05,157 --> 01:35:08,494 So I said, "Don't worry, everything is going to be fine. 1796 01:35:08,994 --> 01:35:10,121 It's going to be fine." 1797 01:35:10,204 --> 01:35:13,040 The pressure that Willy Ribbs had to have felt 1798 01:35:13,124 --> 01:35:15,126 in that qualifying effort has to be more 1799 01:35:15,209 --> 01:35:17,962 than any other driver in the history of the speedway. 1800 01:35:18,045 --> 01:35:20,005 If I did not get it done 1801 01:35:20,089 --> 01:35:22,758 with this last run, 1802 01:35:22,842 --> 01:35:26,554 I might never make it back to Indy ever. 1803 01:35:28,347 --> 01:35:31,058 There was this huge buzz in the air 1804 01:35:31,308 --> 01:35:34,478 as he went out to make his final attempt. 1805 01:35:34,562 --> 01:35:37,440 Fifteen minutes to go before six o'clock. 1806 01:35:37,982 --> 01:35:39,191 I went out. 1807 01:35:39,275 --> 01:35:40,985 Going down the pit lane, 1808 01:35:41,068 --> 01:35:42,862 to enter onto the racetrack. 1809 01:35:42,945 --> 01:35:44,280 All the USAC, 1810 01:35:44,363 --> 01:35:47,032 turn workers and marshals there. 1811 01:35:47,116 --> 01:35:48,659 They all salute you. 1812 01:35:51,537 --> 01:35:55,249 One black worker there, an older gentlemen. 1813 01:35:55,749 --> 01:35:57,126 He was crying. 1814 01:36:01,547 --> 01:36:04,383 He was crying as I went by him. 1815 01:36:06,594 --> 01:36:09,305 And I turned away and I said, "Shit, I can't look at him. 1816 01:36:09,472 --> 01:36:11,682 He's gonna make me cry." 1817 01:36:11,765 --> 01:36:13,392 Without a doubt, it's certainly 1818 01:36:13,476 --> 01:36:14,685 his lifelong goal 1819 01:36:14,768 --> 01:36:17,521 that is on the line here in the next four laps. 1820 01:36:17,605 --> 01:36:21,233 The time he must beat is 213.189. 1821 01:36:21,317 --> 01:36:24,320 I fucking drove that son of a bitch into turn one 1822 01:36:25,029 --> 01:36:27,948 on the opening lap. And I pegged it. 1823 01:36:28,115 --> 01:36:30,284 Willy Ribbs on the front straightaway 1824 01:36:30,367 --> 01:36:32,703 at Indianapolis takes the green flag 1825 01:36:32,786 --> 01:36:35,873 in this historic effort to become the first black man 1826 01:36:35,956 --> 01:36:37,333 ever to drive the Indy 500 1827 01:36:37,416 --> 01:36:41,378 above the speed you saw, 213.189. 1828 01:36:43,172 --> 01:36:45,549 I said to myself, "This is it. 1829 01:36:46,592 --> 01:36:48,761 Do or die, Ribbs." 1830 01:36:49,887 --> 01:36:52,139 Do or die. 1831 01:36:53,849 --> 01:36:55,559 Back stretch, 219. 1832 01:36:55,643 --> 01:36:57,478 I'd like to see that a little bit faster. 1833 01:36:57,561 --> 01:36:59,271 But the speed he comes off at the turn, 1834 01:36:59,355 --> 01:37:01,440 that depends on what his straight line speed will be. 1835 01:37:01,524 --> 01:37:04,193 Turn three, 216. This could be a good lap. 1836 01:37:04,276 --> 01:37:06,529 You run that motherfucker flat out. 1837 01:37:08,197 --> 01:37:10,950 The first lap at 217.8 1838 01:37:11,033 --> 01:37:12,785 and the crowd goes crazy. 1839 01:37:12,868 --> 01:37:15,788 They love that announcement, they are really pulling for this guy. 1840 01:37:15,871 --> 01:37:18,207 As a matter of fact, I put my left foot 1841 01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:20,084 on top of my right foot. 1842 01:37:22,294 --> 01:37:25,464 I said that's just the way it's going to be. 1843 01:37:25,548 --> 01:37:28,425 My word, everybody in the front stretch 1844 01:37:28,509 --> 01:37:30,511 here cheering Willy T. Ribbs on. 1845 01:37:30,678 --> 01:37:35,349 217, faster than he has ever gone here at the speedway. 1846 01:37:35,432 --> 01:37:38,018 And if I crash this motherfucker, 1847 01:37:38,143 --> 01:37:41,105 this is how they are going to find my fucking feet. 1848 01:37:41,188 --> 01:37:46,944 217.997. Ribbs is flying. 1849 01:37:49,530 --> 01:37:51,323 The white flag falls. 1850 01:37:51,407 --> 01:37:55,035 He is two and one half miles from history. 1851 01:37:56,203 --> 01:38:00,291 I'm either in the race or you peel me off the cement. 1852 01:38:01,792 --> 01:38:03,168 He's almost there. 1853 01:38:03,252 --> 01:38:06,589 Two more corners, turn three and turn four. 1854 01:38:06,672 --> 01:38:09,883 Willy T. Ribbs looks as if he's in the fields. 1855 01:38:09,967 --> 01:38:12,344 Ribbs down, nothing can go wrong now. 1856 01:38:12,428 --> 01:38:15,472 He can coast into Indy 500 history. 1857 01:38:15,556 --> 01:38:18,100 The checkered flag falls. Ribbs has made it. 1858 01:38:20,686 --> 01:38:22,896 I looked up and I saw all these arms. 1859 01:38:31,822 --> 01:38:33,449 And that's when I realized, 1860 01:38:34,450 --> 01:38:35,576 "You did it." 1861 01:38:35,659 --> 01:38:38,454 Incredible, long and difficult month 1862 01:38:38,537 --> 01:38:41,624 and here you see them back-slapping, hand-shaking, 1863 01:38:41,707 --> 01:38:45,127 they have certainly earned this moment of history. 1864 01:38:46,211 --> 01:38:48,047 It was a madhouse. 1865 01:38:48,714 --> 01:38:50,299 People on the bleachers, 1866 01:38:50,633 --> 01:38:51,884 people all over the track. 1867 01:38:51,967 --> 01:38:54,219 It was, it was a celebration. 1868 01:38:57,014 --> 01:39:00,017 When I was going down the back straight, I felt like a king. 1869 01:39:00,225 --> 01:39:02,436 I felt on top of the world. 1870 01:39:07,650 --> 01:39:10,277 Those folks who qualify last 1871 01:39:10,361 --> 01:39:13,989 are some amazing, amazing drivers. 1872 01:39:17,284 --> 01:39:18,994 They took out some equipment 1873 01:39:19,078 --> 01:39:22,289 that some of the top guys would not even dare set foot in. 1874 01:39:25,542 --> 01:39:29,797 And then something happened that you never see at the speedway. 1875 01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,715 Everybody in pit lane, the mechanics, 1876 01:39:31,799 --> 01:39:33,425 the crew members, other drivers, officials 1877 01:39:33,509 --> 01:39:36,512 walk out to greet Willy as he's coming down pit lane. 1878 01:39:41,642 --> 01:39:42,893 One of those magical moments 1879 01:39:42,976 --> 01:39:45,354 in the 100-year history of this speedway. 1880 01:39:50,401 --> 01:39:51,735 And I'm coming down 1881 01:39:51,819 --> 01:39:54,446 and I see all these people waving their arms. 1882 01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:56,949 And mechanics from the other teams 1883 01:39:57,157 --> 01:39:58,784 were giving me a salute. 1884 01:39:58,867 --> 01:40:01,829 And all these arms from other teams 1885 01:40:02,037 --> 01:40:03,414 and I could tell... 1886 01:40:04,123 --> 01:40:05,916 That they appreciated it. 1887 01:40:09,253 --> 01:40:11,046 They were a part of the celebration. 1888 01:40:12,631 --> 01:40:15,884 They were a part of the moment because it was historical. 1889 01:40:21,724 --> 01:40:23,726 It was something that never happened 1890 01:40:23,809 --> 01:40:25,352 in the Indy 500 history. 1891 01:40:25,436 --> 01:40:28,355 It was something that never happened in the sport of auto racing. 1892 01:40:28,522 --> 01:40:30,858 Willy Ribbs has made history 1893 01:40:30,941 --> 01:40:33,861 in Indianapolis, and America stands to honor him 1894 01:40:33,944 --> 01:40:35,779 as he climbs out of the cockpit. 1895 01:40:35,863 --> 01:40:40,033 It is truly a memorable moment here in Indianapolis. 1896 01:40:40,284 --> 01:40:41,618 I never saw Jackie Robinson 1897 01:40:41,702 --> 01:40:42,995 break the color barrier. 1898 01:40:43,078 --> 01:40:44,621 I never saw a lot of blacks do 1899 01:40:44,705 --> 01:40:47,040 a lot of historic things. 1900 01:40:47,249 --> 01:40:49,543 But I got to witness my hero 1901 01:40:50,085 --> 01:40:52,004 qualify for the Indy 500. 1902 01:40:54,047 --> 01:40:55,340 A sport that I loved. 1903 01:40:55,424 --> 01:40:57,843 A sport that I wanted to be associated with. 1904 01:40:57,968 --> 01:40:59,178 Um... 1905 01:41:02,556 --> 01:41:04,349 I got to see Willy T. Ribbs 1906 01:41:04,433 --> 01:41:07,060 become the first African-American to qualify 1907 01:41:07,144 --> 01:41:09,354 for the greatest race in motorsports. 1908 01:41:09,438 --> 01:41:11,398 I got to witness that with my own eyes. 1909 01:41:11,482 --> 01:41:13,108 I was there. 1910 01:41:13,192 --> 01:41:16,236 I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it. 1911 01:41:19,948 --> 01:41:22,242 Joie Ray was in the pit. 1912 01:41:22,993 --> 01:41:25,329 And he had tears in his eyes. 1913 01:41:25,412 --> 01:41:26,747 And he said, "You did it." 1914 01:41:26,830 --> 01:41:29,917 And I said, "No, we did it. 1915 01:41:32,127 --> 01:41:33,420 We did it." 1916 01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,343 The team never gave up and that was tremendous. 1917 01:41:39,426 --> 01:41:41,094 They never gave up 1918 01:41:41,345 --> 01:41:43,555 and I wasn't gonna give up. 1919 01:41:46,767 --> 01:41:50,187 Gentlemen, start your engines. 1920 01:41:53,649 --> 01:41:55,859 Emerson Fittipaldi. 1921 01:41:55,943 --> 01:41:58,445 A.J. Foyt. 1922 01:41:58,529 --> 01:42:01,323 Willy T. Ribbs staring into history. 1923 01:42:04,618 --> 01:42:07,579 And the 75th Indy 500 is underway. 1924 01:42:11,583 --> 01:42:15,003 And there is an accident coming off of the fourth turn. 1925 01:42:15,087 --> 01:42:18,006 Coming off of one, there has been an accident. 1926 01:42:18,090 --> 01:42:21,009 And Willy T. Ribbs comes into the pits. 1927 01:42:21,635 --> 01:42:24,763 I went out in 1991 with mechanical failure. 1928 01:42:26,348 --> 01:42:28,976 I made it back in 1993, 1929 01:42:29,059 --> 01:42:31,144 and I finished all 500 miles. 1930 01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:34,815 Those 500 miles meant everything. 1931 01:42:36,233 --> 01:42:38,277 I wanted to show the racing world, 1932 01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,487 the color of my skin did not matter. 1933 01:42:44,491 --> 01:42:46,076 I won. 1934 01:42:46,702 --> 01:42:48,328 I won. 1935 01:42:48,412 --> 01:42:50,205 I didn't win the 500. 1936 01:42:50,289 --> 01:42:52,291 I won... 1937 01:42:52,541 --> 01:42:55,669 against all the obstacles and the odds 1938 01:42:55,752 --> 01:42:57,129 that were against me. 1939 01:42:57,296 --> 01:42:59,131 Willy T. Ribbs is crashing. 1940 01:42:59,214 --> 01:43:00,924 Willy T. Ribbs spinning. 1941 01:43:02,551 --> 01:43:04,761 Everything that I was dealing with, 1942 01:43:05,637 --> 01:43:07,806 I was saying, "I won." 1943 01:43:11,059 --> 01:43:12,144 I broke down 1944 01:43:12,811 --> 01:43:14,479 barriers that were 1945 01:43:14,563 --> 01:43:17,441 not supposed to be broken down. 1946 01:43:21,361 --> 01:43:23,697 All the trials and tribulations. 1947 01:43:26,742 --> 01:43:28,911 The setback in 1985. 1948 01:43:28,994 --> 01:43:30,662 From a bunch of guys that 1949 01:43:30,746 --> 01:43:32,789 didn't want me to be there for one reason. 1950 01:43:33,081 --> 01:43:34,708 And I knew the reason why. 1951 01:43:35,876 --> 01:43:37,920 It all came to me. 1952 01:43:39,338 --> 01:43:41,173 You didn't give up, Ribbs. 1953 01:43:49,181 --> 01:43:50,766 It was worth it. 1954 01:44:14,498 --> 01:44:17,292 There is no sport more exciting than racing. 1955 01:44:17,376 --> 01:44:20,337 This is it. This is the next best thing to heaven. 157780

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