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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,255 --> 00:00:07,631 AJ GLOMB: Somebody offers you a million dollars, 2 00:00:07,714 --> 00:00:08,381 you're gonna take it. 3 00:00:08,964 --> 00:00:11,214 Unless you gotta kill somebody then you might not... 4 00:00:11,881 --> 00:00:13,673 You know, you might not be interested, but... 5 00:00:13,756 --> 00:00:14,589 (CASH REGISTER DINGS) 6 00:00:14,923 --> 00:00:17,255 One of the early middle men was Jerry Colombo. 7 00:00:17,547 --> 00:00:18,589 In order to do this scam, 8 00:00:18,756 --> 00:00:21,589 Jerry Jacobson started finding other middlemen. 9 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:23,756 AJ Glomb, then Dwight Baker. 10 00:00:24,464 --> 00:00:26,214 DOUG MATHEWS: We were up on Dwight's phone. 11 00:00:26,297 --> 00:00:27,255 We start to figure out 12 00:00:27,589 --> 00:00:30,130 is there anything with this person George Chandler? 13 00:00:30,214 --> 00:00:31,464 Yeah, there might be something there. 14 00:00:32,422 --> 00:00:34,714 Dwight came to me with the million-dollar 15 00:00:34,798 --> 00:00:35,798 winning ticket. 16 00:00:35,881 --> 00:00:37,547 He asked me would I be interested 17 00:00:37,631 --> 00:00:39,798 in buying the ticket from him and then redeeming it. 18 00:00:40,089 --> 00:00:40,923 So, I did it. 19 00:00:41,255 --> 00:00:43,214 He didn't need to have any knowledge of anything. 20 00:00:43,297 --> 00:00:46,130 I tried to protect him from the truth of it. 21 00:00:46,631 --> 00:00:48,881 Then on one day, Jerry told me there was a 22 00:00:48,964 --> 00:00:50,714 half-a-million-dollar game piece and I wanted it. 23 00:00:50,798 --> 00:00:53,714 Made arrangements with my wife's sister, Brenda, to split it. 24 00:00:53,798 --> 00:00:54,964 She turned in the game piece 25 00:00:55,130 --> 00:00:57,673 and decided that she was gonna run with the money. 26 00:00:57,756 --> 00:00:59,005 INTERVIEWER: 27 00:00:59,089 --> 00:00:59,964 Yeah. 28 00:01:00,589 --> 00:01:01,589 CHRIS GRAHAM: So, we found out 29 00:01:01,923 --> 00:01:04,923 that Dwight Baker made a phone call to Brenda Phenis. 30 00:01:05,005 --> 00:01:06,339 Didn't quite disconnect the phone. 31 00:01:06,422 --> 00:01:08,381 WOMAN: He's following her to the airport. 32 00:01:08,464 --> 00:01:10,089 There was a lot of concern on that. 33 00:01:10,172 --> 00:01:12,756 What are we gonna do if they are really gonna harm her? 34 00:01:12,839 --> 00:01:14,047 You have to intervene, 35 00:01:14,130 --> 00:01:17,297 but one little slip up could shut it down. 36 00:01:20,130 --> 00:01:22,130 [bright tone] 37 00:01:30,547 --> 00:01:32,756 [wind blowing] 38 00:01:32,839 --> 00:01:35,839 [birds chirping] 39 00:01:40,339 --> 00:01:43,339 [dog whining] 40 00:01:52,673 --> 00:01:54,923 - My name is Jared Jacobson, and my father is 41 00:01:55,005 --> 00:01:56,756 "Jerry" Jerome Jacobson. 42 00:01:56,839 --> 00:01:58,798 [dramatic music] 43 00:01:58,881 --> 00:02:01,255 - Come here, boys. 44 00:02:01,339 --> 00:02:02,631 Come here. 45 00:02:02,714 --> 00:02:04,422 Bailey, come here. 46 00:02:04,506 --> 00:02:06,255 ♪ ♪ 47 00:02:06,339 --> 00:02:07,756 - I grew up in Miami, Florida. 48 00:02:07,839 --> 00:02:09,255 Once my mom got divorced from him, 49 00:02:09,339 --> 00:02:10,756 uh, he cut all ties. 50 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:14,297 I was three years old when they got divorced. 51 00:02:14,381 --> 00:02:17,464 So this is a picture of me as a baby with my dad 52 00:02:17,547 --> 00:02:19,631 and my mom's dad. 53 00:02:19,714 --> 00:02:21,506 My mom called and had him arrested 54 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:23,464 for back child support when I was 13, 55 00:02:23,547 --> 00:02:25,422 and that's when he popped on the radar. 56 00:02:25,506 --> 00:02:28,631 That's when I really met him for the first time. 57 00:02:28,714 --> 00:02:31,130 During the summer, I would go fly up to Atlanta 58 00:02:31,214 --> 00:02:32,798 and go spend, you know, 59 00:02:32,881 --> 00:02:34,589 three or four weeks up there with him, 60 00:02:34,673 --> 00:02:36,089 kind of getting to know him a little bit. 61 00:02:36,172 --> 00:02:38,631 I believe he was living with Alison. 62 00:02:38,714 --> 00:02:41,631 This is actually a picture of the wedding party 63 00:02:41,714 --> 00:02:44,464 when my dad and Linda got married. 64 00:02:44,547 --> 00:02:46,798 That's my mom in the picture with me and him. 65 00:02:46,881 --> 00:02:48,464 I think it's one of the only pictures I have 66 00:02:48,547 --> 00:02:50,964 with the three of us together. 67 00:02:51,047 --> 00:02:53,422 My mom is Carol Cody. 68 00:02:59,464 --> 00:03:01,506 - I was his third marriage. 69 00:03:01,589 --> 00:03:04,005 Really, I was his fourth, 70 00:03:04,089 --> 00:03:07,005 out of--I think we counted seven. 71 00:03:07,089 --> 00:03:08,172 Wait a minute. 72 00:03:08,255 --> 00:03:11,673 Phyllis, Carol, 73 00:03:11,756 --> 00:03:14,422 Daryl, me... 74 00:03:16,631 --> 00:03:20,673 Um, Alison, and Linda. 75 00:03:20,756 --> 00:03:22,547 He's been married six times, 76 00:03:22,631 --> 00:03:25,714 and if he was married with that marriage license down in Miami, 77 00:03:25,798 --> 00:03:27,255 it's seven. 78 00:03:29,172 --> 00:03:30,964 - The very first time I got the first text 79 00:03:31,047 --> 00:03:33,839 about the possibility of a documentary series, 80 00:03:33,923 --> 00:03:38,339 within two minutes, 81 00:03:38,422 --> 00:03:41,255 I get a phone call saying, 82 00:03:41,339 --> 00:03:45,005 "Hey, if anybody calls or talks to you 83 00:03:45,089 --> 00:03:48,089 "or wants to talk about this thing, 84 00:03:48,172 --> 00:03:49,923 don't do it." 85 00:03:50,005 --> 00:03:53,547 ♪ ♪ 86 00:03:53,631 --> 00:03:55,756 Obviously I'm not gonna call him 87 00:03:55,839 --> 00:03:57,714 and ask permission to do this with you guys. 88 00:03:57,798 --> 00:04:01,923 I think this is my way of, um... 89 00:04:04,005 --> 00:04:05,839 My way of having maybe a little bit of closure. 90 00:04:05,923 --> 00:04:10,089 ♪ ♪ 91 00:04:10,172 --> 00:04:12,047 This is definitely gonna put the nail in the coffin 92 00:04:12,130 --> 00:04:14,255 for our relationship. 93 00:04:14,339 --> 00:04:18,631 Um, and you know what? I'm okay with it. 94 00:04:18,714 --> 00:04:20,964 ♪ ♪ 95 00:04:21,047 --> 00:04:23,964 [dramatic music] 96 00:04:24,047 --> 00:04:26,381 ♪ ♪ 97 00:05:09,005 --> 00:05:16,005 ♪ ♪ 98 00:05:19,005 --> 00:05:21,923 [indistinct PA announcement] 99 00:05:22,005 --> 00:05:29,005 ♪ ♪ 100 00:05:32,923 --> 00:05:35,464 - I tried to, uh, keep her mouth shut, 101 00:05:35,547 --> 00:05:37,464 but it didn't work. 102 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:40,673 I knew that I had to do something. 103 00:05:40,756 --> 00:05:43,047 She was gonna run with the money. 104 00:05:43,130 --> 00:05:48,255 ♪ ♪ 105 00:05:48,339 --> 00:05:51,839 [indistinct chatter] 106 00:05:51,923 --> 00:05:54,631 [baby crying] 107 00:05:54,714 --> 00:05:58,589 ♪ ♪ 108 00:06:03,589 --> 00:06:05,464 - [laughing] 109 00:06:08,172 --> 00:06:11,547 - No, I didn't threaten to kill her. 110 00:06:11,631 --> 00:06:13,172 I just told my wife, I says, 111 00:06:13,255 --> 00:06:14,714 "We can't do this in the airport." 112 00:06:14,798 --> 00:06:16,798 [laughs] 113 00:06:16,881 --> 00:06:19,839 I meant we can't confront her in the airport. 114 00:06:19,923 --> 00:06:23,172 I didn't mean anything other than we cannot confront her 115 00:06:23,255 --> 00:06:24,214 in the airport. 116 00:06:24,297 --> 00:06:26,047 ♪ ♪ 117 00:06:26,130 --> 00:06:27,714 - Turned out to be a misunderstanding. 118 00:06:27,798 --> 00:06:30,339 I mean, but--but you still have to run it out 119 00:06:30,422 --> 00:06:31,547 to make--you know, to make sure, 120 00:06:31,631 --> 00:06:33,881 and you know, the long and short of it is, 121 00:06:33,964 --> 00:06:36,339 it wasn't a valid threat. 122 00:06:37,631 --> 00:06:38,881 - Right after that, 123 00:06:38,964 --> 00:06:42,172 my wife took her sister to the bank to cash the check 124 00:06:42,255 --> 00:06:45,506 and was attached at the hips, 125 00:06:45,589 --> 00:06:48,506 with her until she did the right thing with the money. 126 00:06:48,589 --> 00:06:50,589 Yeah. 127 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:54,214 - So after that airport drama, 128 00:06:54,297 --> 00:06:57,047 we started to focus on Dwight even more. 129 00:06:57,130 --> 00:06:59,673 So we're up on these wiretaps, 130 00:06:59,756 --> 00:07:03,255 and Rick and I hear something's happening 131 00:07:03,339 --> 00:07:04,589 with Uncle Jerry. 132 00:07:04,673 --> 00:07:07,130 - A phone call was intercepted between Jacobson 133 00:07:07,214 --> 00:07:08,798 and Dwight Baker. 134 00:07:08,881 --> 00:07:11,255 - The conversation was that Jacobson and Dwight 135 00:07:11,339 --> 00:07:13,255 were going to meet for the exchange 136 00:07:13,339 --> 00:07:15,089 of a winning piece. 137 00:07:15,172 --> 00:07:16,631 That exchange was going to happen 138 00:07:16,714 --> 00:07:18,589 somewhere in Georgia. 139 00:07:18,673 --> 00:07:20,589 - And they say on the phone, 140 00:07:20,673 --> 00:07:22,756 "I'll be there in an hour," 141 00:07:22,839 --> 00:07:25,339 or an hour and 15 minutes, or something like that. 142 00:07:25,422 --> 00:07:27,089 We had that window. 143 00:07:27,172 --> 00:07:29,422 - They didn't name the place where they were gonna meet, 144 00:07:29,506 --> 00:07:30,631 but they gave hints. 145 00:07:30,714 --> 00:07:32,714 - "The usual place?" "You mean along the highway?" 146 00:07:32,798 --> 00:07:34,130 "Yeah, along the highway." 147 00:07:34,214 --> 00:07:36,214 - So we hurried up, we got on the maps, 148 00:07:36,297 --> 00:07:37,923 and we figured out that it was somewhere 149 00:07:38,005 --> 00:07:40,089 along 85 near Atlanta. 150 00:07:40,172 --> 00:07:42,255 - We had a certain area, but we didn't know. 151 00:07:42,339 --> 00:07:45,130 I mean, we thought, but we weren't sure. 152 00:07:45,214 --> 00:07:47,506 - So I got on the phone with Atlanta to tell them, 153 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:49,506 "Hey, this is what's coming up," 154 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:51,464 so they were cued up and ready. 155 00:07:51,547 --> 00:07:53,297 - They mobilized quick. 156 00:07:53,381 --> 00:07:57,297 They had to get there and get visual, 157 00:07:57,381 --> 00:07:59,464 and we had air support... 158 00:07:59,547 --> 00:08:00,839 [helicopter whirring] 159 00:08:00,923 --> 00:08:03,297 Surveillance group down in their cars. 160 00:08:03,381 --> 00:08:05,172 We're looking at rest areas, 161 00:08:05,255 --> 00:08:07,631 places on the side of the road, everywhere. 162 00:08:07,714 --> 00:08:10,172 It was on. 163 00:08:10,255 --> 00:08:11,964 - I remember looking at this golf resort 164 00:08:12,047 --> 00:08:13,130 north of Atlanta. 165 00:08:13,214 --> 00:08:14,631 It's got to be this place. 166 00:08:14,714 --> 00:08:17,339 Seems to be about halfway. It's got to be. 167 00:08:17,422 --> 00:08:24,422 ♪ ♪ 168 00:08:37,589 --> 00:08:39,339 - At his house one time. 169 00:08:39,422 --> 00:08:41,172 Uh, 170 00:08:41,255 --> 00:08:43,547 Chateau Elan, a winery, 171 00:08:43,631 --> 00:08:44,923 between here and there is halfway. 172 00:08:47,923 --> 00:08:48,881 Sometimes we'd eat. 173 00:08:48,964 --> 00:08:50,005 Sometimes we'd just sit in the car 174 00:08:50,089 --> 00:08:52,964 and trade money and game pieces. 175 00:08:53,047 --> 00:08:54,714 Yeah. [chuckles] 176 00:08:55,964 --> 00:08:58,714 - We actually had an FBI pilot 177 00:08:58,798 --> 00:09:01,631 up in the air and could actually see 178 00:09:01,714 --> 00:09:06,756 Mr. Jacobson handing Mr. Baker something in a folder. 179 00:09:08,005 --> 00:09:10,047 - There it was, 180 00:09:10,130 --> 00:09:12,005 and off they go. 181 00:09:12,089 --> 00:09:19,089 ♪ ♪ 182 00:09:26,422 --> 00:09:29,631 - The video evidence speaks volumes 183 00:09:29,714 --> 00:09:31,881 of the illegal acts that they were doing. 184 00:09:31,964 --> 00:09:34,506 It's pretty short but sweet. 185 00:09:34,589 --> 00:09:36,214 We got you now. 186 00:09:36,297 --> 00:09:39,255 [wind blowing] 187 00:09:44,964 --> 00:09:47,047 - It was about the end of the summer, 188 00:09:47,130 --> 00:09:49,881 and the game is ending. 189 00:09:50,005 --> 00:09:52,255 We weren't gonna have another game. 190 00:09:52,339 --> 00:09:55,422 We already have identified Jerry. 191 00:09:55,506 --> 00:09:58,422 We had identified Mr. Baker in Fair Play. 192 00:09:58,506 --> 00:10:01,422 We had identified Mr. Glomb. 193 00:10:01,506 --> 00:10:05,047 We had identified and videoed Mr. Hoover, 194 00:10:05,130 --> 00:10:06,964 and we had several others. 195 00:10:07,047 --> 00:10:11,255 ♪ ♪ 196 00:10:11,339 --> 00:10:13,255 - All right, Devereaux's good. 197 00:10:13,339 --> 00:10:15,297 He's laying out the indictment, 198 00:10:15,381 --> 00:10:17,047 the arrest warrants. 199 00:10:17,130 --> 00:10:18,714 We're gonna take this through the grand jury, 200 00:10:18,798 --> 00:10:21,589 get the true bills, which is the indictment, 201 00:10:21,673 --> 00:10:24,798 and we're gonna go out and effect these arrests. 202 00:10:24,881 --> 00:10:27,464 - In this case, the charges 203 00:10:27,547 --> 00:10:31,005 were conspiracy and mail fraud. 204 00:10:31,089 --> 00:10:33,673 If you use the United States mail 205 00:10:33,756 --> 00:10:37,130 in furtherance of a scheme and artifice to defraud, 206 00:10:37,214 --> 00:10:40,839 that's penalized by up to 20 years in prison. 207 00:10:40,923 --> 00:10:43,130 ♪ ♪ 208 00:10:43,214 --> 00:10:46,255 - The initial stage was the indictment 209 00:10:46,339 --> 00:10:47,673 of the first eight, 210 00:10:47,756 --> 00:10:49,798 so the first thing that was gonna make the news, 211 00:10:49,881 --> 00:10:52,339 that was gonna alert all the other winners that, 212 00:10:52,422 --> 00:10:53,464 "Hey, the gig is over," 213 00:10:53,547 --> 00:10:57,381 was the end of August, August 21st. 214 00:10:57,464 --> 00:11:00,297 - Everybody was spread across the country, 215 00:11:00,381 --> 00:11:03,881 and so we ended up having to request the assistance 216 00:11:03,964 --> 00:11:05,673 of numerous offices 217 00:11:05,756 --> 00:11:08,756 spread entirely across the United States. 218 00:11:08,839 --> 00:11:11,255 You have to provide those agents 219 00:11:11,339 --> 00:11:15,172 enough information to make arrests. 220 00:11:15,255 --> 00:11:17,881 - So in anticipation of the takedown, 221 00:11:17,964 --> 00:11:21,839 we had prepared a very, very lengthy communication. 222 00:11:21,923 --> 00:11:23,297 - So it's our whole plan. 223 00:11:23,381 --> 00:11:25,464 It's the background of the investigation. 224 00:11:25,547 --> 00:11:27,506 I mean, this communication was probably 225 00:11:27,589 --> 00:11:30,464 20 or 30 pages long. 226 00:11:30,547 --> 00:11:33,172 Very, very specific, 227 00:11:33,255 --> 00:11:35,005 in-depth, puts you right there. 228 00:11:35,089 --> 00:11:36,339 Like, everything. 229 00:11:36,422 --> 00:11:39,214 ♪ ♪ 230 00:11:39,297 --> 00:11:40,339 - We faxed it, 231 00:11:40,422 --> 00:11:42,297 and I'm not going to say who did it. 232 00:11:42,381 --> 00:11:44,339 I'll say I didn't, 233 00:11:44,422 --> 00:11:47,506 but there may have been somebody I know very closely 234 00:11:47,589 --> 00:11:49,631 that did it that would deny it. 235 00:11:49,714 --> 00:11:50,964 - It doesn't matter who it was, 236 00:11:51,047 --> 00:11:56,339 but on the speed dial-- which I never use speed dial-- 237 00:11:56,422 --> 00:11:58,839 but the agents sending that plan thought 238 00:11:58,923 --> 00:12:02,881 that the speed dial on the fax said "Greenville FBI" 239 00:12:02,964 --> 00:12:05,756 when in fact it said "The Greenville News." 240 00:12:05,839 --> 00:12:08,756 [suspenseful music] 241 00:12:08,839 --> 00:12:11,506 ♪ ♪ 242 00:12:13,089 --> 00:12:15,881 - It ended up being probably the worst person in the world, 243 00:12:15,964 --> 00:12:17,422 a news agency. 244 00:12:20,089 --> 00:12:21,881 - Now, this is a big issue now, right? 245 00:12:21,964 --> 00:12:23,381 Like, all the stuff's out there. 246 00:12:23,464 --> 00:12:25,839 Now you got people that might be waiting on agents 247 00:12:25,923 --> 00:12:27,297 to come arrest them and all this. 248 00:12:27,381 --> 00:12:28,839 It's bad, bad, bad. 249 00:12:30,130 --> 00:12:33,214 Rick Dent's big head was sweating bad. 250 00:12:33,297 --> 00:12:35,339 Devereaux was sweating it. 251 00:12:35,422 --> 00:12:38,756 Chris Graham was losing weight over that. 252 00:12:38,839 --> 00:12:42,130 - I remember being really, really angry about it. 253 00:12:42,214 --> 00:12:45,464 Like, you know, how in the world, you know? 254 00:12:45,547 --> 00:12:47,756 How could this happen? 255 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:49,881 - You know, now it's, "How do we fix it?" 256 00:12:49,964 --> 00:12:53,714 How do we keep them from going with this story? 257 00:12:53,798 --> 00:12:56,089 After all this work, 258 00:12:56,172 --> 00:12:58,964 this could really screw things up. 259 00:12:59,047 --> 00:13:02,047 [birds chirping] 260 00:13:10,798 --> 00:13:13,005 [keyboard clacking] 261 00:13:13,089 --> 00:13:14,255 - My name's John Boyanoski. 262 00:13:14,339 --> 00:13:18,798 In 2001, I was a reporter for "The Greenville News." 263 00:13:18,881 --> 00:13:20,589 I had been there about six or seven months, 264 00:13:20,673 --> 00:13:23,005 and I was the crime and courts reporter, 265 00:13:23,089 --> 00:13:25,297 so anything that, you know, kind of bad happened, 266 00:13:25,381 --> 00:13:26,631 you know, anything that had anything-- 267 00:13:26,714 --> 00:13:28,005 official-looking document that came across the fax 268 00:13:28,089 --> 00:13:29,673 would come to my desk. 269 00:13:29,756 --> 00:13:31,839 So I came in on Monday morning, 270 00:13:31,923 --> 00:13:35,964 and there was a stapled thing on my chair, 271 00:13:36,047 --> 00:13:38,255 and I picked it up, and I saw FBI on it. 272 00:13:38,339 --> 00:13:39,589 Three paragraphs in, I'm thinking, 273 00:13:39,673 --> 00:13:40,964 "This--this doesn't sound right." 274 00:13:41,047 --> 00:13:42,464 This is an open investigation. 275 00:13:42,547 --> 00:13:43,839 Like, you're talking about surveillance in here, 276 00:13:43,923 --> 00:13:45,005 and I'm like-- so at first, like, 277 00:13:45,089 --> 00:13:46,798 "Oh, it's the background." I'm like, "No, they're--" 278 00:13:46,881 --> 00:13:49,089 and I start flipping through, and it's all surveillance stuff 279 00:13:49,172 --> 00:13:50,422 and, like, background information. 280 00:13:50,506 --> 00:13:53,464 I'm like, "I don't think this is supposed to be going 281 00:13:53,547 --> 00:13:55,547 to John Boyanoski and 'The Greenville News.'" 282 00:13:55,631 --> 00:13:57,631 I remember I turned around my chair and I go to my boss. 283 00:13:57,714 --> 00:14:00,005 I'm like, "Dave, did you look at this? 284 00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:01,047 Like, where'd this come from?" 285 00:14:01,130 --> 00:14:02,214 And he's like, "Yeah, I kind of looked at it." 286 00:14:02,297 --> 00:14:03,381 I'm like, "No, you didn't. 287 00:14:03,464 --> 00:14:06,464 Dave, I--I think we have an open FBI investigation." 288 00:14:06,547 --> 00:14:08,297 He's like, "What?" And we start looking at it. 289 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:10,005 His eyes kind of go like this. 290 00:14:10,089 --> 00:14:11,339 I'm 24 years old. 291 00:14:11,422 --> 00:14:12,881 I'm trying to make a name for myself, 292 00:14:12,964 --> 00:14:14,047 and I want to write a story. 293 00:14:14,130 --> 00:14:16,047 I'm like, we have, you know, 294 00:14:16,130 --> 00:14:18,839 exclusive, you know, McDonald's investigation. 295 00:14:18,923 --> 00:14:20,798 FBI looking into a big fraud case. 296 00:14:22,714 --> 00:14:24,673 - So Mark Devereaux's first response was, 297 00:14:24,756 --> 00:14:26,005 just jump in the Bureau plane 298 00:14:26,089 --> 00:14:28,297 and slide down to South Carolina. 299 00:14:28,381 --> 00:14:30,381 - Each office surveillance squad 300 00:14:30,464 --> 00:14:33,381 has usually a Cessna 160 or something. 301 00:14:33,464 --> 00:14:35,047 If you were ever in a Volkswagen Bug 302 00:14:35,130 --> 00:14:36,547 in the early '70s, 303 00:14:36,631 --> 00:14:39,214 it's like a lawnmower in the sky. 304 00:14:39,297 --> 00:14:40,506 - I look at that going, 305 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:42,923 "No way in hell I want to be part of that again. Shit." 306 00:14:43,005 --> 00:14:45,923 And Devereaux being in that controlled-ass environment 307 00:14:46,005 --> 00:14:47,506 with him and a Tide bottle. 308 00:14:47,589 --> 00:14:48,923 That's the only way you've got to pee. 309 00:14:49,005 --> 00:14:50,005 Can you imagine that? 310 00:14:50,089 --> 00:14:52,047 I mean, that's an awful situation to be in. 311 00:14:52,130 --> 00:14:54,923 - Literally we get in the plane, 312 00:14:55,005 --> 00:14:57,923 fly from Jacksonville to South Carolina that night 313 00:14:58,005 --> 00:15:01,255 to do our best to ensure that that, um, 314 00:15:01,339 --> 00:15:06,464 faux pas didn't cause us significant embarrassment. 315 00:15:06,547 --> 00:15:08,923 - That plane sucked. 316 00:15:11,798 --> 00:15:13,589 [keyboards clacking] 317 00:15:13,673 --> 00:15:15,714 - I can tell you at that point in time, 318 00:15:15,798 --> 00:15:19,506 that news agency had no requirement 319 00:15:19,589 --> 00:15:21,673 to keep it quiet. 320 00:15:21,756 --> 00:15:23,422 We did beg, plead, 321 00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:26,005 asking if they would be kind enough 322 00:15:26,089 --> 00:15:29,214 basically to keep that to themselves. 323 00:15:29,297 --> 00:15:30,964 - There was a little bit of, you know, 324 00:15:31,047 --> 00:15:33,255 "What are we gonna get for it?" 325 00:15:33,339 --> 00:15:35,047 - Can't say we bribed them, 326 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:39,047 but I will say that we gave them an opportunity 327 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:43,255 to, uh, be able to take a photograph, possibly, 328 00:15:43,339 --> 00:15:46,589 following the arrest in connection 329 00:15:46,673 --> 00:15:48,130 with the investigation. 330 00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:49,714 - Their thing was, 331 00:15:49,798 --> 00:15:51,798 "If you could just give us the exclusive." 332 00:15:51,881 --> 00:15:54,214 - It was something at least to sweeten the deal 333 00:15:54,297 --> 00:15:58,214 and thank them for covering up the mistake that, uh, 334 00:15:58,297 --> 00:16:00,756 Special Agent Mathews-- I mean, I didn't say that-- 335 00:16:00,839 --> 00:16:02,673 may have made. 336 00:16:04,047 --> 00:16:06,005 - So I want to say, now that I'm saying it 337 00:16:06,089 --> 00:16:07,172 and remembering all this, 338 00:16:07,255 --> 00:16:09,506 that was not me that faxed that freaking thing over. 339 00:16:09,589 --> 00:16:11,172 [laughs] It was somebody else. 340 00:16:11,255 --> 00:16:16,172 - I can promise you, every time I use a fax machine, 341 00:16:16,255 --> 00:16:18,631 I check it not once, not twice, 342 00:16:18,714 --> 00:16:20,589 but at least three times. 343 00:16:20,673 --> 00:16:23,297 - If anybody ever knew how close this was just to-- 344 00:16:23,381 --> 00:16:25,089 [mimics explosion] Blowing up, right? 345 00:16:25,172 --> 00:16:29,172 I know that those subjects who are--who may see this would go, 346 00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:31,422 "Damn it, how did that not happen?" 347 00:16:31,506 --> 00:16:33,130 And, like, too bad, right? 348 00:16:33,214 --> 00:16:34,798 Didn't. We were the good guys. 349 00:16:34,881 --> 00:16:36,756 It always works better for the good guys. 350 00:16:36,839 --> 00:16:37,798 We always find a way, 351 00:16:37,881 --> 00:16:40,214 which is what I'm saying happened there. [laughs] 352 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:54,506 - The night before, Attorney General Ashcroft, 353 00:16:54,589 --> 00:16:57,839 he gave us the go-ahead to take the action. 354 00:16:57,923 --> 00:17:02,214 ♪ ♪ 355 00:17:02,297 --> 00:17:04,714 - Day of the takedown, it's a very early morning, 356 00:17:04,798 --> 00:17:06,673 probably anywhere from 5:00 in the morning. 357 00:17:06,756 --> 00:17:08,631 You're getting up, you're making sure everybody's ready. 358 00:17:08,714 --> 00:17:10,172 Regardless of whether you believe 359 00:17:10,255 --> 00:17:11,506 the person is violent or not, 360 00:17:11,589 --> 00:17:12,673 you still have to be very careful 361 00:17:12,756 --> 00:17:15,172 as to the tactical approach any time that you engage 362 00:17:15,255 --> 00:17:16,714 in the arrest of an individual, 363 00:17:16,798 --> 00:17:18,381 because you're taking away their liberties, 364 00:17:18,464 --> 00:17:19,798 and they pretty much know that. 365 00:17:19,881 --> 00:17:21,839 - The arrests were scheduled 366 00:17:21,923 --> 00:17:23,631 to all go down at the same time 367 00:17:23,714 --> 00:17:25,673 so that there wouldn't be conversation, 368 00:17:25,756 --> 00:17:30,714 and Jacksonville sent agents to each location 369 00:17:30,798 --> 00:17:33,381 so that somebody that's familiar with the case 370 00:17:33,464 --> 00:17:36,756 will be able to be there to help with the arrest. 371 00:17:38,255 --> 00:17:40,381 - My role that day as the supervisor 372 00:17:40,464 --> 00:17:42,673 of the squad in the command post 373 00:17:42,756 --> 00:17:45,381 was really kind of coordinating, 374 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:48,714 and if there was problems out in the field, 375 00:17:48,798 --> 00:17:50,839 any decision about how to handle it for the most part 376 00:17:50,923 --> 00:17:52,714 is gonna come to me. 377 00:17:52,798 --> 00:17:54,589 - I was in charge of the arrest 378 00:17:54,673 --> 00:17:56,923 of Brenda Phenis in Indiana. 379 00:17:57,005 --> 00:17:59,214 - I had the takedown of Dwight Baker. 380 00:17:59,297 --> 00:18:02,214 - My duty on takedown day was Gloria Brown 381 00:18:02,297 --> 00:18:04,881 here in Jacksonville. 382 00:18:04,964 --> 00:18:06,839 - So I sit in the FBI's office as we can hear them, 383 00:18:06,923 --> 00:18:09,214 "Okay, we're making the moves now." 384 00:18:09,297 --> 00:18:10,381 It sounded like, you know, 385 00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:12,464 a mid-'90s Michael Bay kind of thing 386 00:18:12,547 --> 00:18:14,631 and you're hearing, you know, "Go, go, go!" 387 00:18:14,714 --> 00:18:17,089 - So I got Glomb, 388 00:18:17,172 --> 00:18:20,631 by far the nastier, 389 00:18:20,714 --> 00:18:24,089 more potential danger of anybody else, 390 00:18:24,172 --> 00:18:26,214 and then, you know with me, 391 00:18:26,297 --> 00:18:28,756 it's always a contest no matter what, 392 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:32,130 so, you know, I'm gonna get my guy before anybody else. 393 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,839 My guy, Glomb, was behind a fortress. 394 00:18:38,589 --> 00:18:42,756 A legitimate, big-time, cameras everywhere, 395 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:44,255 big gates. 396 00:18:44,339 --> 00:18:45,714 Chances are he's not gonna open the gate. 397 00:18:45,798 --> 00:18:48,089 At the same time, I wanted to be first. 398 00:18:48,172 --> 00:18:51,130 So we had to find a way 399 00:18:51,214 --> 00:18:54,798 to get Glomb to come out. 400 00:18:54,881 --> 00:18:57,297 The thing we came up with was, 401 00:18:57,381 --> 00:18:59,714 he has to come out and get his paper. 402 00:19:02,047 --> 00:19:04,130 So that gate opens up. 403 00:19:04,214 --> 00:19:07,089 Who do you think walks out and gets the paper? 404 00:19:07,172 --> 00:19:10,130 [dramatic music] 405 00:19:10,214 --> 00:19:12,339 The wife, right? Not him. 406 00:19:12,422 --> 00:19:14,130 So I'm going, "Oh, God. 407 00:19:14,214 --> 00:19:17,130 I'm gonna ram this car through the front gate." 408 00:19:17,214 --> 00:19:18,923 ♪ ♪ 409 00:19:19,005 --> 00:19:20,130 - I had got ready, 410 00:19:20,214 --> 00:19:21,839 was getting ready to leave the house, 411 00:19:21,923 --> 00:19:24,130 and I see somebody walking by the kitchen window. 412 00:19:24,214 --> 00:19:25,673 I look out the door, and it's the FBI. 413 00:19:25,756 --> 00:19:27,798 They haven't knocked on the door yet. 414 00:19:27,881 --> 00:19:29,798 So I went and ran upstairs, told my wife. 415 00:19:29,881 --> 00:19:31,631 I said, "The FBI's out front." 416 00:19:31,714 --> 00:19:33,631 ♪ ♪ 417 00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:35,255 So when they knocked on the door, 418 00:19:35,339 --> 00:19:37,547 it was Astralaga. 419 00:19:37,631 --> 00:19:40,506 - We show him the arrest warrant. 420 00:19:40,589 --> 00:19:42,673 We gained access to the property, 421 00:19:42,756 --> 00:19:45,089 and he is taken into custody. 422 00:19:45,756 --> 00:19:48,047 - In the command post, we kept hearing, 423 00:19:48,130 --> 00:19:50,005 "So-and-so's been arrested. So-and-so confessed. 424 00:19:50,089 --> 00:19:52,464 "Can't find this person. So-and-so's arrested. 425 00:19:52,547 --> 00:19:53,714 They're denying everything." 426 00:19:53,798 --> 00:19:59,756 ♪ ♪ 427 00:20:01,255 --> 00:20:04,047 - And so Rick Dent went to Atlanta 428 00:20:04,130 --> 00:20:07,172 to get Uncle Jerry, 429 00:20:07,255 --> 00:20:09,964 Jerry Jacobson. 430 00:20:10,047 --> 00:20:11,839 - The arrest of Jerry was in the early morning 431 00:20:11,923 --> 00:20:14,089 at his house, you know. 432 00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:17,005 Knock, knock, knock. "FBI, open up." 433 00:20:17,089 --> 00:20:20,589 ♪ ♪ 434 00:20:20,673 --> 00:20:23,673 - I remember Jerry initially, you know, 435 00:20:23,756 --> 00:20:27,047 doing what you would expect a former police officer to do, 436 00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:29,214 was, you know, clam up. 437 00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:31,339 You know, he realized his goose was cooked, 438 00:20:31,422 --> 00:20:32,964 so to speak. 439 00:20:34,339 --> 00:20:37,964 - Eventually he received his jewelry, 440 00:20:38,047 --> 00:20:39,631 silver handcuffs. 441 00:20:40,964 --> 00:20:43,172 - At Jerry Jacobson's arrest, 442 00:20:43,255 --> 00:20:46,714 he had some Honda sports car thing 443 00:20:46,798 --> 00:20:48,589 that he was riding around in that we seized, 444 00:20:48,673 --> 00:20:52,714 and just cash in a trash bag in the truck of his car. 445 00:20:52,798 --> 00:20:54,005 Who does that shit? 446 00:20:54,089 --> 00:20:56,422 Who carries that crap around? Really? 447 00:20:56,506 --> 00:21:03,047 ♪ ♪ 448 00:21:03,130 --> 00:21:06,089 - My first interaction with Jerry Jacobson 449 00:21:06,172 --> 00:21:09,589 was at the federal courthouse in Atlanta. 450 00:21:09,673 --> 00:21:13,714 I was in Atlanta because Jerry Jacobson 451 00:21:13,798 --> 00:21:16,172 was the head of the snake, 452 00:21:16,255 --> 00:21:20,631 and I wanted to personally advise him 453 00:21:20,714 --> 00:21:22,756 of the charges against him. 454 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:24,756 - Sources say that the FBI will announce 455 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:26,756 that it has made arrests in an alleged scheme 456 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:28,756 to defraud the McDonald's Corporation 457 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:30,964 by rigging its recent Monopoly game. 458 00:21:31,047 --> 00:21:33,089 Now, the FBI would only say that it has scheduled 459 00:21:33,172 --> 00:21:35,589 a news conference for 2:15 this afternoon, 460 00:21:35,673 --> 00:21:38,631 but sources tell CNN seven of the eight people 461 00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:39,798 are in custody. 462 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:41,631 Sources say the eighth has been indicted, 463 00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:44,297 not arrested yet, still being sought. 464 00:21:44,381 --> 00:21:46,089 - I'd laid out, "I'm gonna be the first." 465 00:21:46,172 --> 00:21:48,839 I was the last. The last one to get their guy. 466 00:21:48,923 --> 00:21:52,631 So we needed to draw Glomb out, 467 00:21:52,714 --> 00:21:57,714 and then I came up with what I thought was a great idea. 468 00:21:59,714 --> 00:22:03,464 - A Broward County sheriff comes to the gate and says, 469 00:22:03,547 --> 00:22:05,464 "Do you guys mind coming down here 470 00:22:05,547 --> 00:22:07,255 "and identifying these guys? 471 00:22:07,339 --> 00:22:10,798 "They were robbing a house here and they want you 472 00:22:10,881 --> 00:22:11,964 to identify them." 473 00:22:12,047 --> 00:22:13,673 I says, "Uh, I don't care." 474 00:22:13,756 --> 00:22:16,589 They didn't bother me. 475 00:22:16,673 --> 00:22:18,464 He said, "It'll only take a couple minutes." 476 00:22:18,547 --> 00:22:20,631 So I said, "Okay," 477 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:22,381 and then I went outside, 478 00:22:22,464 --> 00:22:24,005 and of course they grabbed me outside 479 00:22:24,089 --> 00:22:29,214 and they says, "You're under arrest for mail fraud." 480 00:22:29,297 --> 00:22:31,339 I said, "Mail fraud? What's that?" 481 00:22:31,422 --> 00:22:32,839 [laughs] 482 00:22:32,923 --> 00:22:35,381 He says, "On the McDonald's." I said, "Oh, okay." 483 00:22:35,464 --> 00:22:36,881 [laughs] 484 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:41,172 Didn't have a clue that they were onto this case. 485 00:22:41,255 --> 00:22:42,297 Nothing. 486 00:22:42,381 --> 00:22:43,547 And so he didn't say nothing else. 487 00:22:43,631 --> 00:22:45,923 I says, "Can I get you a cup of coffee or something?" 488 00:22:46,964 --> 00:22:49,339 Mathews was one of the original people 489 00:22:49,422 --> 00:22:52,005 who arrested me. 490 00:22:52,089 --> 00:22:54,005 - We had some snippets of the phone calls 491 00:22:54,089 --> 00:22:56,005 just to let him know we had what we had, 492 00:22:56,089 --> 00:22:57,839 and he decided not to cooperate. 493 00:22:57,923 --> 00:22:58,839 One of the very few. 494 00:22:58,923 --> 00:23:00,881 - I remember we were arguing in the car. 495 00:23:00,964 --> 00:23:03,589 He said, "You think you're some gangster or something?" 496 00:23:03,673 --> 00:23:05,714 I said, "Yeah, and you think you're Don Johnson." 497 00:23:05,798 --> 00:23:08,255 You know, from "Miami Vice." 498 00:23:08,339 --> 00:23:11,547 And at the end, he was okay. 499 00:23:11,631 --> 00:23:14,172 In the front, he was a little bit of an asshole. 500 00:23:16,005 --> 00:23:17,923 - I did. I'm that way. 501 00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:19,881 I'm very friendly. [chuckles] 502 00:23:19,964 --> 00:23:23,089 [coffee maker gurgling] 503 00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,881 ♪ ♪ 504 00:23:25,964 --> 00:23:27,506 - It wasn't just the takedown. 505 00:23:27,589 --> 00:23:29,506 There were a number of people 506 00:23:29,589 --> 00:23:32,214 on the initial indictment that we charged. 507 00:23:32,297 --> 00:23:33,714 On top of that, 508 00:23:33,798 --> 00:23:37,172 I needed to have agents going out 509 00:23:37,255 --> 00:23:39,714 to interview all these other winners. 510 00:23:39,798 --> 00:23:41,547 - What we didn't want to happen 511 00:23:41,631 --> 00:23:45,089 was somebody who is a "winner" 512 00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:47,422 to be sitting at home and see this takedown 513 00:23:47,506 --> 00:23:49,255 and then have two or three weeks 514 00:23:49,339 --> 00:23:50,673 to think about it. [chuckles] 515 00:23:50,756 --> 00:23:52,255 Think about what they're gonna say, 516 00:23:52,339 --> 00:23:53,631 or worse yet, 517 00:23:53,714 --> 00:23:55,255 hop on a plane and, you know, 518 00:23:55,339 --> 00:23:56,881 move to South America. 519 00:23:56,964 --> 00:24:00,381 - If you've played the popular McDonald's Monopoly game 520 00:24:00,464 --> 00:24:02,464 and thought you'd never win the top prize, 521 00:24:02,547 --> 00:24:04,047 you may have been right. 522 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:06,756 In Washington, the Attorney General and FBI 523 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:08,923 announced eight people were arrested 524 00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:11,255 for defrauding McDonald's and its customers... 525 00:24:11,339 --> 00:24:14,756 - My work said to me, "The FBI's looking for you." 526 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:18,464 I'm like, "What? Oh, shit. 527 00:24:18,547 --> 00:24:21,047 This is the FBI." 528 00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:23,964 My friends were, like, from Louisiana-- 529 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:24,964 from the swamp, they go, 530 00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:26,964 " We want to hide you out in the bayou." 531 00:24:27,047 --> 00:24:29,339 I mean, but then they were like, 532 00:24:29,422 --> 00:24:31,130 "You can never contact anybody anymore." 533 00:24:31,214 --> 00:24:32,464 It was like a TV script. 534 00:24:32,547 --> 00:24:34,214 "You can't talk to anybody. You can't contact your family." 535 00:24:34,297 --> 00:24:36,923 I go, "Oh, hell no. I can't do that." 536 00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:42,130 And finally they caught up with me. 537 00:24:42,214 --> 00:24:43,798 They finally found me at home. 538 00:24:43,881 --> 00:24:45,381 They were very nice to me. 539 00:24:45,464 --> 00:24:46,631 They were just straight to the point 540 00:24:46,714 --> 00:24:49,339 and they got what they wanted to hear from me. 541 00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:51,130 ♪ ♪ 542 00:24:51,214 --> 00:24:54,297 - I decided I was gonna be the one to go down the street 543 00:24:54,381 --> 00:24:56,047 and interview Buddy Fisher. 544 00:24:57,381 --> 00:24:59,422 He was a little surprised, 545 00:24:59,506 --> 00:25:02,631 but really didn't try to tell us anything 546 00:25:02,714 --> 00:25:04,673 other than what really happened. 547 00:25:04,756 --> 00:25:06,339 Nice guy. 548 00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:08,005 ♪ ♪ 549 00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:10,297 - So through the course of the interview I had 550 00:25:10,381 --> 00:25:12,130 with Dwight Baker, 551 00:25:12,214 --> 00:25:13,756 he implicated George Chandler, 552 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,381 his foster son, in the scheme, 553 00:25:16,464 --> 00:25:17,839 in the illegal activity. 554 00:25:17,923 --> 00:25:19,881 At that point we made a determination 555 00:25:19,964 --> 00:25:22,172 to reach out to George Chandler and talk to him 556 00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:23,547 about his involvement. 557 00:25:23,631 --> 00:25:29,673 ♪ ♪ 558 00:25:29,756 --> 00:25:32,714 - I was on I-20, and my cell phone rang. 559 00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:36,172 My secretary came on the phone and said, 560 00:25:36,255 --> 00:25:42,714 "George, there's two guys in the office here from the FBI 561 00:25:42,798 --> 00:25:45,381 who would like to speak to you." 562 00:25:45,464 --> 00:25:50,047 "Put them on the phone." [laughing] 563 00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:52,381 Who don't want to talk to the FBI, you know? 564 00:25:52,464 --> 00:25:56,547 So this guy comes on the phone, 565 00:25:56,631 --> 00:26:02,547 and his name is Special Agent Astralaga, 566 00:26:02,631 --> 00:26:04,714 and he said, "Mr. Chandler, 567 00:26:04,798 --> 00:26:08,881 "we've arrested this morning Dwight and Linda Baker 568 00:26:08,964 --> 00:26:12,172 "for their involvement in the McDonald's 569 00:26:12,255 --> 00:26:14,756 "Monopoly games scam, 570 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:16,547 "and we would like to speak to you 571 00:26:16,631 --> 00:26:18,673 about your involvement in it." 572 00:26:18,756 --> 00:26:22,089 And the first thing out of my mouth was, 573 00:26:22,172 --> 00:26:25,047 "If you've arrested Dwight and Linda Baker, 574 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:26,714 you've got the wrong people." 575 00:26:26,798 --> 00:26:29,798 [phone ringing] 576 00:26:31,339 --> 00:26:32,506 [receiver clicks] 577 00:26:33,464 --> 00:26:34,923 - [indistinct speech] 578 00:26:35,005 --> 00:26:37,798 - For some reason, I was home that day, 579 00:26:37,881 --> 00:26:42,422 and my sister called me. 580 00:26:42,506 --> 00:26:43,923 - So I picked up the phone and called her 581 00:26:44,005 --> 00:26:46,255 and just said, "Are you watching television?" 582 00:26:46,339 --> 00:26:48,422 She said no, and I said, "Well, turn it on." 583 00:26:48,506 --> 00:26:50,297 - William Fisher and Gloria Brown 584 00:26:50,381 --> 00:26:51,714 both live in Jacksonville. 585 00:26:51,798 --> 00:26:52,923 Prosecutors say the plot... 586 00:26:53,005 --> 00:26:56,130 - And there was my name on the screen. 587 00:26:56,214 --> 00:27:00,589 "Gloria Brown indicted." 588 00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:04,631 I just kind of, like, folded up in the kitchen by myself. 589 00:27:04,714 --> 00:27:06,255 Again, there I was alone. 590 00:27:06,339 --> 00:27:08,756 I'm like, "Okay, God." 591 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,631 Before I can get to even listen 592 00:27:11,714 --> 00:27:15,089 to what was on the television about me, 593 00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:16,631 my doorbell rang. 594 00:27:16,714 --> 00:27:19,255 [doorbell rings] 595 00:27:19,339 --> 00:27:21,631 Open the door, and there was this detective there. 596 00:27:21,714 --> 00:27:25,798 I went, "Oh, my God." [inhales sharply] 597 00:27:25,881 --> 00:27:28,339 - Initially she was denying being involved with anything 598 00:27:28,422 --> 00:27:29,964 and I kind of really sped up to the fact of, 599 00:27:30,047 --> 00:27:31,673 "We're not talking about whether you did it or not. 600 00:27:31,756 --> 00:27:33,172 "We're just talking about how much time in prison 601 00:27:33,255 --> 00:27:34,673 "you're gonna serve, so, you know, 602 00:27:34,756 --> 00:27:36,297 you might want to go ahead and start cooperating now." 603 00:27:36,381 --> 00:27:37,964 ♪ ♪ 604 00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:39,839 - And I had decided it's time. 605 00:27:39,923 --> 00:27:41,381 The lie's fixing to be over, 606 00:27:41,464 --> 00:27:42,798 and I just told him. 607 00:27:42,881 --> 00:27:45,130 There was no need for me to lie anymore. 608 00:27:45,214 --> 00:27:47,130 - She basically told us what we needed to know, 609 00:27:47,214 --> 00:27:49,756 and we already knew, again, because we knew the scheme, 610 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,089 and we knew the recruiting formula 611 00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:53,089 and how it happened. 612 00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:55,839 - I saw her shoulders kind of sink a little bit. 613 00:27:55,923 --> 00:27:58,506 - I'm saying to myself, "Do I need a lawyer first?" 614 00:27:58,589 --> 00:28:00,172 You know, that's the kind of stuff, 615 00:28:00,255 --> 00:28:01,547 "Am I doing the right thing?" 616 00:28:01,631 --> 00:28:02,881 You know, I just didn't know what to do. 617 00:28:02,964 --> 00:28:05,631 I never thought about what to do 618 00:28:05,714 --> 00:28:09,839 once I got caught, 619 00:28:09,923 --> 00:28:13,172 and I was not sure if they was gonna take me with them. 620 00:28:13,255 --> 00:28:15,756 I was waiting on a police car to pull up out front. 621 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,339 When they walked to the door, 622 00:28:18,422 --> 00:28:20,339 I walked to the door with them. 623 00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:23,839 When they said that we'll be getting back with you, 624 00:28:23,923 --> 00:28:28,005 I was so happy right in that moment. 625 00:28:28,089 --> 00:28:29,714 I said, "At least that way I get a chance 626 00:28:29,798 --> 00:28:34,339 to make some arrangements right quick." 627 00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:36,047 - The deal was, if they didn't cooperate, 628 00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:37,047 we were gonna arrest. 629 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:38,214 If they did cooperate, 630 00:28:38,297 --> 00:28:39,214 we were gonna take their statement 631 00:28:39,297 --> 00:28:40,547 and then go ahead and document it 632 00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:43,339 and then refer, you know, to the case agent 633 00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:45,547 who would then take it to the federal prosecutor. 634 00:28:45,631 --> 00:28:50,881 ♪ ♪ 635 00:28:50,964 --> 00:28:53,673 [indistinct PA announcement] 636 00:28:55,422 --> 00:28:58,506 - I was almost done with my prison time 637 00:28:58,589 --> 00:29:01,714 for doing the fraud that I did, 638 00:29:01,798 --> 00:29:07,422 and I see there's two tall gentlemen in suits. 639 00:29:07,506 --> 00:29:10,214 They said, "We're here for McDonald's Monopoly, 640 00:29:10,297 --> 00:29:13,547 and they had this poster laid out, 641 00:29:13,631 --> 00:29:16,756 and Uncle Jerry was the middle bubble. 642 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,422 They had all these bubbles all around, 643 00:29:19,506 --> 00:29:23,214 and then they had these size bubbles, 644 00:29:23,297 --> 00:29:27,089 and I was that size bubble connected to him, 645 00:29:27,172 --> 00:29:31,589 and it was Jerry Colombo, deceased. 646 00:29:31,673 --> 00:29:35,089 There's my picture, Robin Colombo, incarcerated. 647 00:29:35,172 --> 00:29:36,297 [sniffs] 648 00:29:36,381 --> 00:29:37,798 You know, and I'm looking over it, 649 00:29:37,881 --> 00:29:39,130 and I go, "Mm, okay." 650 00:29:39,214 --> 00:29:42,047 And I said, "I tell you what. 651 00:29:42,130 --> 00:29:45,297 "Give me your card, and if I can think of anything, 652 00:29:45,381 --> 00:29:48,589 I will get in touch with you. How about that?" 653 00:29:48,673 --> 00:29:52,798 And they said, "No, that's not how that works, Mrs. Colombo." 654 00:29:52,881 --> 00:29:54,214 I said... [sniffs] 655 00:29:54,297 --> 00:29:56,172 "That's how this is gonna work right now." 656 00:29:56,255 --> 00:29:58,130 I said, "Let me tell you something. 657 00:29:58,214 --> 00:30:01,631 "I have a little boy out there and a daughter 658 00:30:01,714 --> 00:30:05,422 "and you don't know who you're messing with, 659 00:30:05,506 --> 00:30:08,547 and I'm not gonna put their lives in jeopardy." 660 00:30:08,631 --> 00:30:11,964 I got the card, they go to leave, 661 00:30:12,047 --> 00:30:13,130 and I'm going to leave. 662 00:30:13,214 --> 00:30:15,964 I'm thinking, "Okay, I'm going back down 663 00:30:16,047 --> 00:30:17,130 to the girls' part, right?" 664 00:30:17,214 --> 00:30:20,130 Well, here come officers from the prison. 665 00:30:20,214 --> 00:30:22,631 They go, "Colombo, come back up here." 666 00:30:22,714 --> 00:30:25,756 And they wanted to shackle me, and I go, "Wait, wait, wait. 667 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:27,130 What are you doing?" 668 00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:30,297 They said, "Well, your custody level has changed now 669 00:30:30,381 --> 00:30:31,964 because you're under investigation." 670 00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:33,297 I said, "No, I'm not." 671 00:30:33,381 --> 00:30:35,631 I said, "So whether I talk to them or not, 672 00:30:35,714 --> 00:30:37,089 whatever, this is all--" 673 00:30:37,172 --> 00:30:39,130 And they said, "Yeah." I said, "Hold this." 674 00:30:39,214 --> 00:30:40,297 "No, Mrs. Colombo." 675 00:30:40,381 --> 00:30:43,297 I said, "Leave me alone. I'm calling the feds." 676 00:30:45,464 --> 00:30:48,172 I ran to the double doors 677 00:30:48,255 --> 00:30:50,839 and I kicked the double door open. 678 00:30:50,923 --> 00:30:54,255 I said, "Hey, come here!" 679 00:30:54,339 --> 00:30:55,464 They said, "Oh, you want to talk?" 680 00:30:55,547 --> 00:30:56,798 I said, "Yeah, come on in. Come on. 681 00:30:56,881 --> 00:30:58,464 "Hey, Mike, can I have some coffee? 682 00:30:58,547 --> 00:31:00,839 Can we have coffee? I think they want coffee." 683 00:31:00,923 --> 00:31:03,506 [chuckles] 684 00:31:03,589 --> 00:31:06,798 I said, "You really know more than I do, honestly." 685 00:31:06,881 --> 00:31:08,673 And of course they're like, 686 00:31:08,756 --> 00:31:10,631 "Well, why don't you humor us?" 687 00:31:10,714 --> 00:31:12,506 I said, "Well, let's do this." 688 00:31:12,589 --> 00:31:15,047 I need a cigarette, so let's take a cigarette break." 689 00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:17,005 And I was taking them out every ten minutes. 690 00:31:17,089 --> 00:31:18,339 They're like, "You really got to smoke that?" 691 00:31:18,422 --> 00:31:21,506 I said, "I really do. You got my nerves wracked." 692 00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,005 As a matter of fact, I need one now, 693 00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:24,047 talking about it. 694 00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:26,714 And, um, "You really should quit those things." 695 00:31:26,798 --> 00:31:29,673 I said, "Yeah, today is not the day." 696 00:31:29,756 --> 00:31:32,255 6:00 came, and they took me in 697 00:31:32,339 --> 00:31:33,547 where the TV room was. 698 00:31:33,631 --> 00:31:36,756 John Ashcroft came on television 699 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,089 and my knees--I just kind of got weak 700 00:31:39,172 --> 00:31:40,756 and knew it was over. 701 00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,381 - This morning, the agents 702 00:31:42,464 --> 00:31:44,422 of the Federal Bureau of Investigation 703 00:31:44,506 --> 00:31:46,714 arrested eight individuals 704 00:31:46,798 --> 00:31:49,714 in several states for their involvement 705 00:31:49,798 --> 00:31:51,381 in a nationwide scheme 706 00:31:51,464 --> 00:31:54,130 to defraud McDonald's Corporation 707 00:31:54,214 --> 00:31:56,005 and its customers 708 00:31:56,089 --> 00:31:58,547 by fraudulently manipulating 709 00:31:58,631 --> 00:32:01,798 McDonald's promotional prize contests. 710 00:32:03,964 --> 00:32:06,714 We want those involved in this type of corruption 711 00:32:06,798 --> 00:32:12,255 to know that breaking the law is not a game. 712 00:32:12,339 --> 00:32:14,589 - That day, everything went, you know, 713 00:32:14,673 --> 00:32:17,297 really literally according to plan. 714 00:32:17,381 --> 00:32:20,089 - It made for a very fun, interesting day 715 00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:22,547 and, uh, one I'll never forget. 716 00:32:22,631 --> 00:32:24,923 - I want to commend the fine work of the FBI 717 00:32:25,005 --> 00:32:26,381 and the Jacksonville division 718 00:32:26,464 --> 00:32:28,255 of the United States Attorney's Office 719 00:32:28,339 --> 00:32:31,297 for the Middle District of Florida. 720 00:32:31,381 --> 00:32:33,714 Everyone involved in this investigation 721 00:32:33,798 --> 00:32:36,923 has worked hard to break this conspiracy. 722 00:32:37,005 --> 00:32:38,047 - How'd we miss this? 723 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,422 There's like seven winners in the 864 area code 724 00:32:40,506 --> 00:32:41,673 in the last four years. 725 00:32:41,756 --> 00:32:43,714 Like, how did we never put two and two together ourselves 726 00:32:43,798 --> 00:32:46,589 if they kept coming from the same darn area? 727 00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:48,255 And we had done stories-- like, big stories 728 00:32:48,339 --> 00:32:49,255 on two or three of the winners, 729 00:32:49,339 --> 00:32:50,464 like the $1 million winners too, 730 00:32:50,547 --> 00:32:51,631 and we had never put it together, 731 00:32:51,714 --> 00:32:52,631 so that was one of the things. 732 00:32:52,714 --> 00:32:53,673 There was a little bit of kicking ourselves 733 00:32:53,756 --> 00:32:54,923 for journalism like, "Oh, yeah. 734 00:32:55,005 --> 00:32:56,464 We just never put that one together," 735 00:32:56,547 --> 00:32:58,422 so there's a little bit of egg on our face on that one. 736 00:32:58,506 --> 00:33:01,089 - Well, this story is going to make a lot of people angry. 737 00:33:01,172 --> 00:33:03,464 - Prosecutors say it appears McDonald's customers 738 00:33:03,547 --> 00:33:06,631 never really had a chance to win the biggest prizes. 739 00:33:06,714 --> 00:33:08,297 - Frankly, the odds of your winning 740 00:33:08,381 --> 00:33:10,297 that $1 million jackpot at McDonald's 741 00:33:10,381 --> 00:33:11,881 weren't that good to begin with. 742 00:33:11,964 --> 00:33:15,089 The FBI said the odds were really about one in zero. 743 00:33:15,172 --> 00:33:16,798 - They need to serve time for that, definitely. 744 00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:19,339 - Many of the winners were from the same family 745 00:33:19,422 --> 00:33:20,964 or were closely related. 746 00:33:21,047 --> 00:33:22,464 - At the center of the fraud ring, 747 00:33:22,547 --> 00:33:24,339 prosecutors say Jerome Jacobson, 748 00:33:24,422 --> 00:33:27,047 assigned to place the winning big cash game pieces 749 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:28,339 into circulation. 750 00:33:28,422 --> 00:33:30,464 Instead, the FBI says, he stole them. 751 00:33:30,547 --> 00:33:32,839 - Passing winning game pieces to his friends, 752 00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:35,172 who then recruited others to come forward 753 00:33:35,255 --> 00:33:37,005 and claim the big prizes. 754 00:33:37,089 --> 00:33:39,381 - Jacobson has been given a Go to Jail card 755 00:33:39,464 --> 00:33:41,214 for keeping the winning high-end tickets. 756 00:33:41,297 --> 00:33:42,673 - And says the FBI today-- 757 00:33:42,756 --> 00:33:44,172 - They had a confidential informant 758 00:33:44,255 --> 00:33:45,839 who tipped them off at first. 759 00:33:45,923 --> 00:33:48,381 - Someone who had knowledge of the scheme. 760 00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:50,714 - McDonald's was devastated by the news, 761 00:33:50,798 --> 00:33:53,339 while a stunned spokesperson for Parker Brothers 762 00:33:53,422 --> 00:33:55,130 had only this reaction. 763 00:33:55,214 --> 00:33:58,339 [laughter] 764 00:33:58,422 --> 00:34:00,172 - We want you to have the opportunity 765 00:34:00,255 --> 00:34:04,339 to see who Mr. Jacobs is. 766 00:34:04,422 --> 00:34:06,923 He's 58 years old, and he's married 767 00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:10,047 and has a family. 768 00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:14,714 He knows the seriousness of these charges, 769 00:34:14,798 --> 00:34:18,214 and he also knows that he faces 770 00:34:18,297 --> 00:34:23,047 very serious potential punishment in prison 771 00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:25,047 if convicted of these charges. 772 00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:27,673 We know many of you have attempted 773 00:34:27,756 --> 00:34:30,714 to contact him, his wife, 774 00:34:30,798 --> 00:34:32,547 and his family 775 00:34:32,631 --> 00:34:34,255 and have been in his neighborhood, 776 00:34:34,339 --> 00:34:37,547 and we are asking you 777 00:34:37,631 --> 00:34:41,547 to allow there to be some privacy 778 00:34:41,631 --> 00:34:46,255 for his family and for his neighbors. 779 00:34:46,339 --> 00:34:51,589 - Jerry Jacobson had retained counsel fairly quickly, 780 00:34:51,673 --> 00:34:54,923 an attorney by the name of Ed Garland, 781 00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:57,964 and so my involvement was then 782 00:34:58,047 --> 00:35:00,255 talking to the attorney. 783 00:35:00,339 --> 00:35:01,923 - Once he has retained counsel, 784 00:35:02,005 --> 00:35:06,089 I've instructed him that I should analyze the case 785 00:35:06,172 --> 00:35:08,089 before he speaks further with the government. 786 00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:09,923 - Are you gonna share your motto? 787 00:35:10,005 --> 00:35:12,881 - We follow the motto, "A fish wouldn't get caught 788 00:35:12,964 --> 00:35:15,547 if he kept his mouth shut," 789 00:35:15,631 --> 00:35:18,756 and that that's what a defendant needs to know. 790 00:35:18,839 --> 00:35:20,631 Stop the music. 791 00:35:20,714 --> 00:35:22,631 Stand behind us. 792 00:35:22,714 --> 00:35:24,964 We do the fighting and the talking for you. 793 00:35:25,047 --> 00:35:26,881 - We're saying that you have a rogue employee 794 00:35:26,964 --> 00:35:30,130 that embezzles a piece-- steals it, bottom line. 795 00:35:30,214 --> 00:35:33,631 - It was pretty clear that Mark was coming full force. 796 00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:35,464 The first conversation was, 797 00:35:35,547 --> 00:35:37,506 plead straight up to the indictment 798 00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:41,798 and bring every penny you have and your wife has. 799 00:35:41,881 --> 00:35:43,964 It was the threats of, "I'm gonna take everything 800 00:35:44,047 --> 00:35:45,839 down to her engagement ring." 801 00:35:45,923 --> 00:35:50,631 - Mark is a very effective lawyer, 802 00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:52,506 a very talented lawyer, 803 00:35:52,589 --> 00:35:57,172 and uses his power in a very assertive way 804 00:35:57,255 --> 00:36:00,297 on behalf of his client, the United States. 805 00:36:00,381 --> 00:36:02,798 - Ed and I had many cases together, 806 00:36:02,881 --> 00:36:06,297 and he's a very experienced attorney, 807 00:36:06,381 --> 00:36:11,673 but I told him that the chances for Mr. Jacobson 808 00:36:11,756 --> 00:36:16,839 to go to trial and come out without a conviction was zero. 809 00:36:16,923 --> 00:36:18,756 - When you deal with a lawyer like that, 810 00:36:18,839 --> 00:36:22,339 you've got to let him know you're unintimidated 811 00:36:22,422 --> 00:36:25,547 and unintimidatable, 812 00:36:25,631 --> 00:36:28,297 so it became tense 813 00:36:28,381 --> 00:36:30,881 and confrontational immediately. 814 00:36:30,964 --> 00:36:35,130 Mr. Jacobs will not be making any statements 815 00:36:35,214 --> 00:36:39,381 about this case until he appears in court. 816 00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:40,839 - Yeah, that was a very interesting day. 817 00:36:40,923 --> 00:36:42,089 I sit down in front of the TV, 818 00:36:42,172 --> 00:36:44,172 I turn on CNN Headline News, 819 00:36:44,255 --> 00:36:46,381 boom, picture of my dad, 820 00:36:46,464 --> 00:36:50,381 and, uh, it was like, "Wow." 821 00:36:50,464 --> 00:36:53,214 Um, in the back of my mind, 822 00:36:53,297 --> 00:36:55,130 I was like, I knew it. 823 00:36:55,214 --> 00:36:57,005 My mom and I always knew there was something wrong, 824 00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:58,589 and here it is right here in front of us 825 00:36:58,673 --> 00:37:00,881 now right here on TV. 826 00:37:00,964 --> 00:37:03,714 It's not a surprise. 827 00:37:03,798 --> 00:37:05,798 He was good at manipulating people. 828 00:37:05,881 --> 00:37:07,714 He was good at it. 829 00:37:07,798 --> 00:37:11,339 That's my dad. [laughs] 830 00:37:11,422 --> 00:37:13,714 ♪ ♪ 831 00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:16,506 I guess I was always questioning 832 00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:18,422 the legitimacy of everything. 833 00:37:18,506 --> 00:37:19,422 It was always something new. 834 00:37:19,506 --> 00:37:21,589 It was always trips and it was always doing, 835 00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:23,923 you know, always just spending things extravagantly, 836 00:37:24,005 --> 00:37:26,422 it seemed like to me. 837 00:37:26,506 --> 00:37:29,714 My mom and I always joked that we always thought 838 00:37:29,798 --> 00:37:33,297 there was something not right about him. 839 00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:38,881 - I knew he kept secrets from me. 840 00:37:38,964 --> 00:37:41,589 Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies, 841 00:37:41,673 --> 00:37:43,881 and that's how I dealt with him. 842 00:37:43,964 --> 00:37:45,964 If I didn't ask him any questions, 843 00:37:46,047 --> 00:37:48,172 he didn't have to lie to me. 844 00:37:49,673 --> 00:37:50,881 For instance, 845 00:37:50,964 --> 00:37:54,422 he said that he had this swampland. 846 00:37:54,506 --> 00:37:56,714 He might go out and buy me something, 847 00:37:56,798 --> 00:37:59,255 and I would say, "Jerry, that's a lot of money." 848 00:37:59,339 --> 00:38:03,714 He would go, "I sold a piece of swampland." 849 00:38:03,798 --> 00:38:05,589 ♪ ♪ 850 00:38:05,673 --> 00:38:09,089 Jerry was always trying to figure the easy way. 851 00:38:09,172 --> 00:38:12,130 How do you get a free lunch? 852 00:38:12,214 --> 00:38:16,381 The moral of the story is, there are no free lunches. 853 00:38:16,464 --> 00:38:19,381 ♪ ♪ 854 00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:22,714 But there may be some brownies hidden somewhere. 855 00:38:25,547 --> 00:38:27,839 Does that make any sense? 856 00:38:33,214 --> 00:38:36,089 - Mr. Jacobson was not helping us, 857 00:38:36,172 --> 00:38:39,631 and so the question was still ongoing. 858 00:38:39,714 --> 00:38:42,798 How did he get the game pieces? 859 00:38:42,881 --> 00:38:44,297 We know he did, 860 00:38:44,381 --> 00:38:46,214 but how did he do it? 861 00:38:47,714 --> 00:38:51,422 - We didn't know if Dittler Brothers was involved. 862 00:38:51,506 --> 00:38:53,756 - I mean, there was no details to anything. 863 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:55,089 We don't know if it's just Jerry. 864 00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:57,255 We don't know if it's, you know, everybody in there, 865 00:38:57,339 --> 00:38:58,381 so... 866 00:38:59,422 --> 00:39:01,798 - I was furious that Jerry did what he did 867 00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:05,506 because he put all of those people at risk. 868 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:08,172 ♪ ♪ 869 00:39:08,255 --> 00:39:10,839 - And we took a trip and actually went 870 00:39:10,923 --> 00:39:12,839 to Dittler Brothers because 871 00:39:12,923 --> 00:39:15,172 there might be somebody there inside. 872 00:39:15,255 --> 00:39:18,130 - When the FBI came in and shut everything down 873 00:39:18,214 --> 00:39:21,005 and started gathering their evidence, 874 00:39:21,089 --> 00:39:23,506 and somebody came by and said, "The FBI's here. 875 00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:24,714 "You got everything shut down. 876 00:39:24,798 --> 00:39:26,464 You don't go anywhere near there." 877 00:39:26,547 --> 00:39:30,339 [machine whirring] 878 00:39:30,422 --> 00:39:31,673 Somebody's in trouble. 879 00:39:31,756 --> 00:39:35,297 Somebody's in trouble, but I don't know what it-- 880 00:39:35,381 --> 00:39:36,673 what effect it's gonna have. 881 00:39:36,756 --> 00:39:38,005 Don't know. 882 00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:40,881 ♪ ♪ 883 00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:43,005 - Well, Roger, first let me underscore the fact 884 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:46,089 that, um, Jerome Jacobson was not a McDonald's employee. 885 00:39:46,172 --> 00:39:48,881 He was in fact an employee of Simon Marketing, 886 00:39:48,964 --> 00:39:51,381 which was the firm that McDonald's had contracted 887 00:39:51,464 --> 00:39:52,714 to administer its games. 888 00:39:52,798 --> 00:39:53,881 - McDonald's says tonight 889 00:39:53,964 --> 00:39:55,422 it has fired the Georgia company 890 00:39:55,506 --> 00:39:56,589 that ran the contests, 891 00:39:56,673 --> 00:39:58,381 and now the FBI is investigating 892 00:39:58,464 --> 00:40:01,673 how many other instant winners weren't so instant after all. 893 00:40:01,756 --> 00:40:03,756 ♪ ♪ 894 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,923 - The deception by Simon Marketing 895 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,631 was unacceptable. 896 00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:11,839 We really trusted them to run the game for us. 897 00:40:11,923 --> 00:40:14,214 We had to end the relationship 898 00:40:14,297 --> 00:40:17,547 to gain the trust back with our customers. 899 00:40:17,631 --> 00:40:20,673 - Pretty much, I'd say McDonald's was 900 00:40:20,756 --> 00:40:23,714 98% of our business. 901 00:40:23,798 --> 00:40:29,798 ♪ ♪ 902 00:40:29,881 --> 00:40:32,089 The FBI showed up one day at the front door 903 00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:33,422 and shut us down. 904 00:40:33,506 --> 00:40:38,422 ♪ ♪ 905 00:40:38,506 --> 00:40:39,923 - When the information came out, 906 00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:42,923 their stock went from approximately $100 907 00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:45,089 to basically 50¢. 908 00:40:45,172 --> 00:40:47,673 - God, these-- these layoffs are bad. 909 00:40:48,964 --> 00:40:51,381 - It was the largest one-day drop 910 00:40:51,464 --> 00:40:53,506 on the American Stock Exchange. 911 00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:58,756 - Ensuring that these games are secure, 912 00:40:58,839 --> 00:41:00,255 that is how they make their living. 913 00:41:00,339 --> 00:41:02,673 - Two days after McDonald's fired Simon Marketing 914 00:41:02,756 --> 00:41:04,214 from all future promotions, 915 00:41:04,297 --> 00:41:07,130 a second major company has also pulled the plug. 916 00:41:07,214 --> 00:41:08,506 - A couple of days later, 917 00:41:08,589 --> 00:41:10,798 Kraft came out and canceled their contract. 918 00:41:10,881 --> 00:41:12,839 - There's nothing left. 919 00:41:12,923 --> 00:41:15,464 ♪ ♪ 920 00:41:15,547 --> 00:41:17,172 - So it affected the Chicago, 921 00:41:17,255 --> 00:41:19,798 LA, Atlanta offices here in the States. 922 00:41:19,881 --> 00:41:23,798 We had an office in London, Paris, Hong Kong, 923 00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:27,422 and several manufacturing facilities in China. 924 00:41:29,005 --> 00:41:31,130 - The people at Simon Marketing were good people. 925 00:41:31,214 --> 00:41:32,464 They were professional. 926 00:41:32,547 --> 00:41:34,297 We really loved working with them. 927 00:41:34,381 --> 00:41:36,297 So it was devastating 928 00:41:36,381 --> 00:41:38,839 when one bad apple wrecked the lives 929 00:41:38,923 --> 00:41:40,130 of so many people. 930 00:41:40,214 --> 00:41:42,339 - They're gone, man. They're gone. 931 00:41:42,422 --> 00:41:49,339 ♪ ♪ 932 00:41:49,422 --> 00:41:50,923 - We spent one night in jail. 933 00:41:52,798 --> 00:41:55,964 For my bail, they asked for $1 million. 934 00:41:56,047 --> 00:41:59,005 The judge said, "For this, you want $1 million?" 935 00:41:59,089 --> 00:42:01,047 He said, "Set it at $200,000." 936 00:42:01,130 --> 00:42:04,631 ♪ ♪ 937 00:42:04,714 --> 00:42:05,714 I mean, the Lord really blessed me 938 00:42:05,798 --> 00:42:06,923 in a bad situation, 939 00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:09,214 because I had three lots that were free and clear. 940 00:42:09,297 --> 00:42:11,839 ♪ ♪ 941 00:42:11,923 --> 00:42:15,172 The tax value was exactly $200,000 on those three lots. 942 00:42:15,255 --> 00:42:17,547 So that was-- that was just a miracle. 943 00:42:17,631 --> 00:42:20,172 These three lots here, 944 00:42:20,255 --> 00:42:21,714 the lake is over on this side, 945 00:42:21,798 --> 00:42:23,172 but these three lots here are the three lots 946 00:42:23,255 --> 00:42:26,714 that I put up as collateral for my property bond. 947 00:42:26,798 --> 00:42:31,047 ♪ ♪ 948 00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:34,005 - I understood at that time, obviously, 949 00:42:34,089 --> 00:42:37,381 that something was amiss with Dwight's story. 950 00:42:37,464 --> 00:42:39,964 And I immediately called Dwight, 951 00:42:40,047 --> 00:42:46,089 and I remember being 952 00:42:46,172 --> 00:42:48,839 incredulous with him. 953 00:42:48,923 --> 00:42:52,130 Who is the guy that was going through the divorce? 954 00:42:52,214 --> 00:42:53,589 Where'd you get this ticket? 955 00:42:53,673 --> 00:42:55,255 What's going on? 956 00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:58,381 He said, "George, I can't talk about it right now. 957 00:42:58,464 --> 00:43:00,673 "Don't worry. You don't have anything to worry about. 958 00:43:00,756 --> 00:43:03,756 You didn't do anything wrong. It was me." 959 00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:06,589 And... 960 00:43:06,673 --> 00:43:10,839 and I wasn't gravely concerned about it. 961 00:43:12,839 --> 00:43:16,422 - The thing that surprised me is they gave me bond. 962 00:43:16,506 --> 00:43:20,381 They never should have gave me bond. 963 00:43:20,464 --> 00:43:23,589 I'm telling you that I was a fugitive back in the '80s. 964 00:43:23,673 --> 00:43:25,964 So that was a mistake. 965 00:43:26,047 --> 00:43:28,964 So I'm home about two days. 966 00:43:29,047 --> 00:43:33,005 There's two guys at the gate with suits on. 967 00:43:34,214 --> 00:43:36,631 I said, "Oh. They came back. 968 00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:38,881 "They came back for me. 969 00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:40,798 That's the marshals coming to get me." 970 00:43:40,881 --> 00:43:45,089 ♪ ♪ 971 00:43:45,172 --> 00:43:46,923 Here's Jehovah Witnesses. 972 00:43:47,005 --> 00:43:49,255 [laughs] 973 00:43:49,339 --> 00:43:51,756 I was--I was never so happy 974 00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:54,881 to talk to a Jehovah Witness in my life. 975 00:43:57,464 --> 00:44:00,130 - I was in my maternity shop in Coral Gables, 976 00:44:00,214 --> 00:44:02,756 and we have a TV going there all the time. 977 00:44:02,839 --> 00:44:05,464 And they broke in the news that the McDonald's thing 978 00:44:05,547 --> 00:44:07,798 had just been busted. 979 00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:11,422 I was fuckin' floored. Fuckin' floored. 980 00:44:11,506 --> 00:44:13,422 Two seconds later, two FBI agents 981 00:44:13,506 --> 00:44:15,172 walked in my store, 982 00:44:15,255 --> 00:44:17,631 Doug Mathews and Rick Dent, 983 00:44:17,714 --> 00:44:19,673 and they said they'd like to talk to me 984 00:44:19,756 --> 00:44:21,089 about the McDonald's case, 985 00:44:21,172 --> 00:44:24,381 and I knew I was fucked. 986 00:44:24,464 --> 00:44:26,005 I knew I was fucked. 987 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:28,631 I'll be honest with you, 988 00:44:28,714 --> 00:44:30,923 I don't know if Jerry turned me in or not. 989 00:44:33,005 --> 00:44:35,839 Right after it happened, I flew to Atlanta, Georgia. 990 00:44:35,964 --> 00:44:38,464 I said, "Jerry, how the fuck could you do this?" 991 00:44:38,547 --> 00:44:40,881 I says, "How the fuck-- I thought we were done," 992 00:44:40,964 --> 00:44:42,673 and I was really pissed, 993 00:44:42,756 --> 00:44:46,130 because I had thought that night, we were done. 994 00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:56,172 - I had hired a local attorney 995 00:44:56,255 --> 00:45:00,214 to go with me to the meeting with the FBI. 996 00:45:00,297 --> 00:45:03,631 And he called me and said, 997 00:45:03,714 --> 00:45:07,130 "George, you've been indicted." 998 00:45:07,214 --> 00:45:09,506 ♪ ♪ 999 00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:11,005 I was in shock. 1000 00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:15,673 ♪ ♪ 1001 00:45:15,756 --> 00:45:17,047 Yeah, you don't know how to react, 1002 00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:20,589 because you're being charged with a federal crime. 1003 00:45:21,964 --> 00:45:26,714 My name appears in the text of major newspapers 1004 00:45:26,798 --> 00:45:28,714 and on major television stations 1005 00:45:28,798 --> 00:45:30,214 all across the nation. 1006 00:45:30,297 --> 00:45:32,464 Friends are calling me, 1007 00:45:32,547 --> 00:45:34,381 family's calling me, 1008 00:45:34,464 --> 00:45:36,547 business acquaintances are calling me, 1009 00:45:36,631 --> 00:45:38,422 customers are calling me, 1010 00:45:38,506 --> 00:45:41,089 employees are calling me. 1011 00:45:42,464 --> 00:45:43,923 I didn't know what to tell them. 1012 00:45:44,005 --> 00:45:46,589 ♪ ♪ 1013 00:45:46,673 --> 00:45:50,047 I didn't know what to tell my son, 1014 00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:52,589 who's eight years old at the time. 1015 00:45:54,631 --> 00:45:56,589 Every kid in the school 1016 00:45:56,673 --> 00:45:58,381 has a question for my son, 1017 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,631 and I don't know how to help him. 1018 00:46:02,381 --> 00:46:04,881 It was... 1019 00:46:04,964 --> 00:46:06,130 devastating. 1020 00:46:06,214 --> 00:46:08,923 ♪ ♪ 1021 00:46:09,005 --> 00:46:11,547 - George was, uh... 1022 00:46:13,339 --> 00:46:16,047 He was very angry, upset, hurt. 1023 00:46:17,756 --> 00:46:21,089 But I tried to explain to him 1024 00:46:21,172 --> 00:46:25,339 that I did everything in my power to protect him from this. 1025 00:46:26,714 --> 00:46:27,964 Um... 1026 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:41,673 - At some point in time, though, 1027 00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:43,839 and it was in fairly short order, 1028 00:46:43,923 --> 00:46:45,130 you--you snap out. 1029 00:46:45,214 --> 00:46:47,964 I snapped out of it, and I took action. 1030 00:46:48,047 --> 00:46:49,673 I went down to Jacksonville 1031 00:46:49,756 --> 00:46:52,297 and started making phone calls, 1032 00:46:52,381 --> 00:46:55,422 looking for what I termed 1033 00:46:55,506 --> 00:46:57,506 the best criminal lawyer in town. 1034 00:47:00,422 --> 00:47:03,047 [phone ringing distantly] 1035 00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:08,005 - I'm Curtis Scott Fallgatter. I'm an attorney. 1036 00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:10,381 Been an attorney for about 40 years. 1037 00:47:10,464 --> 00:47:13,839 I was a federal prosecutor here in town for 17 years, 1038 00:47:13,923 --> 00:47:15,464 and I've been in private practice 1039 00:47:15,547 --> 00:47:16,506 for some 20 years, 1040 00:47:16,589 --> 00:47:18,172 and I've been blessed to have been selected 1041 00:47:18,255 --> 00:47:19,631 one of the top criminal defense attorneys 1042 00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:22,547 in northeast Florida for the last couple of decades. 1043 00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:25,964 In 2001, I met George Chandler. 1044 00:47:26,047 --> 00:47:27,673 He was 29 years old. 1045 00:47:27,756 --> 00:47:29,339 Ninth grade education, 1046 00:47:29,422 --> 00:47:31,005 but he's a brilliant young man. 1047 00:47:31,089 --> 00:47:33,339 I was very impressed with his candor, 1048 00:47:33,422 --> 00:47:35,172 and he explained how he had been hoodwinked 1049 00:47:35,255 --> 00:47:37,964 by his foster father, 1050 00:47:38,047 --> 00:47:39,964 which of course demonstrated his innocence. 1051 00:47:40,047 --> 00:47:41,881 I thought, "Well, we can probably make this case go away 1052 00:47:41,964 --> 00:47:43,172 pretty easily." 1053 00:47:43,255 --> 00:47:45,381 So I picked up the phone and called Mr. Devereaux. 1054 00:47:47,756 --> 00:47:50,047 - Mr. Fallgatter interviewed me 1055 00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:52,381 in January of 1989 1056 00:47:52,464 --> 00:47:54,673 when I got hired in this office. 1057 00:47:54,756 --> 00:47:56,547 He's been to my house many times. 1058 00:47:56,631 --> 00:47:58,631 I've been to his house many times. 1059 00:47:58,714 --> 00:48:02,464 At one point in time, we were very sociable. 1060 00:48:02,547 --> 00:48:05,172 Not so much anymore. 1061 00:48:05,255 --> 00:48:07,589 - I explained to him how George had been hoodwinked, 1062 00:48:07,673 --> 00:48:10,422 did not know the tickets had been stolen or embezzled, 1063 00:48:10,506 --> 00:48:12,756 and Mr. Devereaux's response was, 1064 00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:14,422 "Well, if I drop Mr. Chandler's case, 1065 00:48:14,506 --> 00:48:17,547 I'd have to drop several others." 1066 00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:24,089 ♪ ♪ 1067 00:48:26,005 --> 00:48:30,005 - I was the first person to turn themselves in. 1068 00:48:30,089 --> 00:48:31,673 I mean, they had me. 1069 00:48:31,756 --> 00:48:33,631 I was scared as shit, 1070 00:48:33,714 --> 00:48:35,756 because just the name Mark Devereaux 1071 00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,714 just reminded me of those old southern gentlemen. 1072 00:48:38,798 --> 00:48:40,881 ♪ ♪ 1073 00:48:40,964 --> 00:48:43,339 I mean, I'll never forget the first time I met him. 1074 00:48:43,422 --> 00:48:50,130 ♪ ♪ 1075 00:48:50,214 --> 00:48:52,422 The only thing he said to me: 1076 00:48:52,506 --> 00:48:54,589 "Don't ever lie to me." 1077 00:48:54,673 --> 00:48:57,464 He said, "Just don't ever lie to me." 1078 00:48:57,547 --> 00:48:59,631 I says, "Hey, man, I did whatever I did, 1079 00:48:59,714 --> 00:49:02,214 "and I'll tell you everything I did. 1080 00:49:02,297 --> 00:49:04,089 I ain't gonna lie." 1081 00:49:04,172 --> 00:49:06,756 Because I've never believed in lying anyhow. 1082 00:49:06,839 --> 00:49:08,881 I wasn't gonna start then. 1083 00:49:12,964 --> 00:49:15,422 - The plan is to find a path to victory 1084 00:49:15,506 --> 00:49:17,422 if it is there, 1085 00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:20,881 to protect the client, to help the client. 1086 00:49:20,964 --> 00:49:24,589 So you--if you start out, "I'm just gonna plead guilty," 1087 00:49:24,673 --> 00:49:28,422 you never go through the mental discipline of, 1088 00:49:28,506 --> 00:49:30,255 "Can I find a way?" 1089 00:49:30,339 --> 00:49:32,631 We probably started out, said, "If you want him as a witness, 1090 00:49:32,714 --> 00:49:35,089 give him immunity," 1091 00:49:35,172 --> 00:49:37,297 something like that. 1092 00:49:37,381 --> 00:49:40,506 And that would have met head-on 1093 00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:45,714 with the 180-degree opposite position. 1094 00:49:48,881 --> 00:49:51,506 - A plea is always a possibility. 1095 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:55,923 The issue of how he will address these charges 1096 00:49:56,005 --> 00:49:57,798 is being evaluated. 1097 00:49:57,881 --> 00:50:01,005 ♪ ♪ 1098 00:50:01,089 --> 00:50:03,089 - When you talk about what Jerry was facing, 1099 00:50:03,172 --> 00:50:05,005 it gets complicated. 1100 00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:06,964 If you start adding up all of the different counts 1101 00:50:07,047 --> 00:50:10,798 that he was charged with, he was facing a lot of time. 1102 00:50:10,881 --> 00:50:12,881 And I know it was well over ten. 1103 00:50:12,964 --> 00:50:17,506 ♪ ♪ 1104 00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:19,214 - I remember it being-- 1105 00:50:19,297 --> 00:50:23,673 having a sense of just huge sympathy 1106 00:50:23,756 --> 00:50:27,339 for the ordeal that was being imposed on him, 1107 00:50:27,422 --> 00:50:29,381 and the way it was being imposed. 1108 00:50:29,464 --> 00:50:31,839 - Prosecutors say this is the man who started it all. 1109 00:50:31,923 --> 00:50:34,881 Jerome Jacobson faces nine counts of conspiracy 1110 00:50:34,964 --> 00:50:37,506 in a plot they say involved 20 million dollars' worth 1111 00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:39,506 of McDonald's winning game prizes 1112 00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:42,172 stolen and then sold to friends and relatives. 1113 00:50:42,255 --> 00:50:44,547 - If he could cooperate, it would provide us 1114 00:50:44,631 --> 00:50:46,756 just so much information 1115 00:50:46,839 --> 00:50:48,673 to find all these other winners. 1116 00:50:48,756 --> 00:50:51,506 And winners turned into recruiters, 1117 00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:53,130 and most importantly, 1118 00:50:53,214 --> 00:50:55,422 to show exactly how he did it. 1119 00:50:56,923 --> 00:50:59,214 - We could not quite figure it out. 1120 00:50:59,297 --> 00:51:01,047 And now we knew he was doing it. 1121 00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:02,422 We just didn't know the details 1122 00:51:02,506 --> 00:51:04,339 and how he was doing it. 1123 00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,464 - The government always wanted to know how he did it, 1124 00:51:07,547 --> 00:51:11,005 and he did not cooperate from the beginning. 1125 00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:13,089 He would have, but for the fact that his lawyers 1126 00:51:13,172 --> 00:51:16,422 would not allow him to until we worked everything out. 1127 00:51:16,506 --> 00:51:20,255 It was the, you know, talk peace but prepare for war. 1128 00:51:20,339 --> 00:51:22,089 And... 1129 00:51:23,339 --> 00:51:25,005 We were preparing for a war. 1130 00:51:25,089 --> 00:51:30,089 ♪ ♪ 1131 00:51:32,798 --> 00:51:35,756 - I don't think there ever was an exit strategy to stopping. 1132 00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:37,923 He'd been perfecting it for 13 years. 1133 00:51:38,005 --> 00:51:41,005 It had just gotten better and probably easier for him to do. 1134 00:51:42,172 --> 00:51:43,631 And I mean, the only reason he got caught 1135 00:51:43,714 --> 00:51:44,923 was because he pissed somebody off 1136 00:51:45,005 --> 00:51:46,506 and somebody went to the FBI and said, 1137 00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:49,089 "Hey, guess what's happening." 1138 00:51:49,172 --> 00:51:51,798 ♪ ♪ 1139 00:51:51,881 --> 00:51:54,923 - "Informant key to unlocking scam 1140 00:51:55,005 --> 00:51:57,923 behind the golden arches." 1141 00:51:58,005 --> 00:52:01,255 Of course they never named who the informant was, 1142 00:52:01,339 --> 00:52:03,839 but that's how it all came apart. 1143 00:52:10,964 --> 00:52:13,255 - Nope. 1144 00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:14,881 I think it's the FBI. 1145 00:52:16,964 --> 00:52:19,839 Before this ever went down, there was a box 1146 00:52:19,923 --> 00:52:23,130 across the street from my house on a pole, 1147 00:52:23,214 --> 00:52:25,047 placed there by Blue Ridge Electric. 1148 00:52:27,172 --> 00:52:29,464 I'd always questioned what it was. 1149 00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:31,005 I've developed a lot of property. 1150 00:52:31,089 --> 00:52:34,005 I'd never seen that box. 1151 00:52:35,214 --> 00:52:39,839 I suspected they were eavesdropping on me, 1152 00:52:39,923 --> 00:52:41,964 not because of McDonald's 1153 00:52:42,047 --> 00:52:45,464 but because of a fellow developer 1154 00:52:45,547 --> 00:52:47,798 here on the lakes. 1155 00:52:47,881 --> 00:52:50,631 The FBI came in, 1156 00:52:50,714 --> 00:52:52,172 the drug enforcement people came in, 1157 00:52:52,255 --> 00:52:55,881 everybody came in, tied up all of his shit. 1158 00:52:57,798 --> 00:53:02,005 And they--and I was on the peripheral of that. 1159 00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:05,839 Within a week after my arrest 1160 00:53:05,923 --> 00:53:08,005 and after this went down, 1161 00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:09,297 Blue Ridge Electric trucks 1162 00:53:09,381 --> 00:53:11,005 came into the field across my street, 1163 00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:12,964 and that box is gone. 1164 00:53:15,255 --> 00:53:17,047 So that's why, to me, 1165 00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:20,339 I've always felt like their story of how an informant, 1166 00:53:20,422 --> 00:53:23,881 or how somebody came forward, 1167 00:53:23,964 --> 00:53:26,130 I felt like it was bullshit. 1168 00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,506 - Uh, I do. 1169 00:53:32,589 --> 00:53:34,130 [chuckles] 1170 00:53:36,047 --> 00:53:37,673 - Uh, are we--are we-- - Next question. 1171 00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,547 [laughs] 1172 00:53:39,631 --> 00:53:42,339 ♪ ♪ 1173 00:53:42,422 --> 00:53:44,172 - Without the informant... 1174 00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:48,547 Telling the FBI where to go, 1175 00:53:48,631 --> 00:53:50,422 who to look at... 1176 00:53:50,506 --> 00:53:57,381 ♪ ♪ 1177 00:53:57,464 --> 00:53:58,756 This case would have never been broken. 1178 00:53:58,839 --> 00:54:00,422 - Never broken. - Never. 1179 00:54:00,506 --> 00:54:03,089 ♪ ♪ 1180 00:54:03,172 --> 00:54:05,881 - I will never tell you who the source was. 1181 00:54:05,964 --> 00:54:08,047 You will never get that from me. 1182 00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:09,506 If I was a dead body, 1183 00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:11,756 you could not get that off my corpse. 1184 00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:15,923 That's how much I think about the bureau's program. 1185 00:54:16,005 --> 00:54:17,798 It has to work like that, right? 1186 00:54:22,506 --> 00:54:25,339 - Well, I don't think it was anybody in mind. 1187 00:54:25,422 --> 00:54:29,297 If it is, I'd be very surprised, real surprised. 1188 00:54:29,381 --> 00:54:32,464 If you're gonna surprise me, go ahead and surprise me. 1189 00:54:32,547 --> 00:54:34,547 - I know who broke the case. 1190 00:54:34,631 --> 00:54:37,631 I--at this moment right now, 1191 00:54:37,714 --> 00:54:39,422 I'm not sure if I feel comfortable 1192 00:54:39,506 --> 00:54:40,756 saying who broke the case. 1193 00:54:40,839 --> 00:54:44,172 I need to talk to some people 1194 00:54:44,255 --> 00:54:46,923 and make sure that I'm not in danger 1195 00:54:47,005 --> 00:54:48,923 if I say who broke the case, 1196 00:54:49,005 --> 00:54:51,255 because right now... 1197 00:54:51,339 --> 00:54:57,130 ♪ ♪ 1198 00:54:57,214 --> 00:55:00,130 I don't know if it's gonna come back and bite me in the butt. 1199 00:55:07,547 --> 00:55:09,547 - Frank Colombo. 1200 00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:09,047 We had this big build up of the case in anticipation 1201 00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:09,756 of the trial. 1202 00:56:10,172 --> 00:56:12,005 -We had him. -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1203 00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:13,714 We wanna make sure justice was served. 1204 00:56:13,923 --> 00:56:15,506 We're feverishly working on 1205 00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:18,589 how could Jerome Jacobson steal winning pieces? 1206 00:56:18,756 --> 00:56:20,464 -♪ (MUSIC STOPS) ♪ -How did he do it? 1207 00:56:20,547 --> 00:56:21,381 ♪ (MUSIC RESUMES) ♪ 1208 00:56:21,673 --> 00:56:24,464 Jerry Jacobson, tell the truth. What did you do? 1209 00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:25,923 No one knew. 1210 00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:27,506 There's real permanent damage. 1211 00:56:28,255 --> 00:56:30,673 Without the informant, this case never would've happened. 1212 00:56:31,964 --> 00:56:33,172 INTERVIEWER: 1213 00:56:34,464 --> 00:56:35,547 Time to tell the truth. 1214 00:56:35,964 --> 00:56:37,798 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES, FADES) ♪ 1215 00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:40,130 Nobody suspected that. 1216 00:56:40,214 --> 00:56:41,798 -♪ (FINAL NOTE) ♪ -(CASH REGISTER RINGS) 84916

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