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AJ GLOMB: Somebody offers you
a million dollars,
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you're gonna take it.
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Unless you gotta kill somebody
then you might not...
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You know, you might not be
interested, but...
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(CASH REGISTER DINGS)
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One of the early middle men
was Jerry Colombo.
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In order to do this scam,
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Jerry Jacobson started finding
other middlemen.
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AJ Glomb, then Dwight Baker.
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DOUG MATHEWS:
We were up on Dwight's phone.
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We start to figure out
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is there anything with
this person George Chandler?
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Yeah, there might be
something there.
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Dwight came to me with
the million-dollar
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winning ticket.
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He asked me would I be
interested
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in buying the ticket from him
and then redeeming it.
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So, I did it.
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He didn't need to have
any knowledge of anything.
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I tried to protect him
from the truth of it.
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Then on one day,
Jerry told me there was a
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half-a-million-dollar game piece
and I wanted it.
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Made arrangements with my wife's
sister, Brenda, to split it.
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She turned in the game piece
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and decided that she was gonna
run with the money.
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INTERVIEWER:
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Yeah.
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CHRIS GRAHAM:
So, we found out
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that Dwight Baker made
a phone call to Brenda Phenis.
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Didn't quite disconnect
the phone.
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WOMAN: He's following her
to the airport.
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There was a lot of concern
on that.
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What are we gonna do if they
are really gonna harm her?
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You have to intervene,
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but one little slip up
could shut it down.
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[bright tone]
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[wind blowing]
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[birds chirping]
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[dog whining]
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- My name is Jared Jacobson,
and my father is
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"Jerry" Jerome Jacobson.
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[dramatic music]
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- Come here, boys.
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Come here.
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Bailey, come here.
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♪ ♪
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- I grew up in Miami, Florida.
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Once my mom got divorced
from him,
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uh, he cut all ties.
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I was three years old
when they got divorced.
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So this is a picture of me
as a baby with my dad
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and my mom's dad.
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My mom called
and had him arrested
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for back child support
when I was 13,
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and that's when he popped
on the radar.
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That's when I really met him
for the first time.
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During the summer,
I would go fly up to Atlanta
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and go spend,
you know,
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three or four weeks
up there with him,
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kind of getting to know him
a little bit.
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I believe he was living
with Alison.
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This is actually a picture
of the wedding party
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when my dad and Linda
got married.
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That's my mom in the picture
with me and him.
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I think it's one
of the only pictures I have
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with the three of us together.
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My mom is Carol Cody.
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- I was his third marriage.
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Really, I was his fourth,
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out of--I think
we counted seven.
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Wait a minute.
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Phyllis, Carol,
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Daryl, me...
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Um, Alison, and Linda.
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He's been married six times,
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and if he was married with that
marriage license down in Miami,
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it's seven.
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- The very first time
I got the first text
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about the possibility
of a documentary series,
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within two minutes,
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I get a phone call saying,
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"Hey, if anybody calls
or talks to you
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"or wants to talk
about this thing,
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don't do it."
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♪ ♪
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Obviously
I'm not gonna call him
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and ask permission
to do this with you guys.
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I think this is my way
of, um...
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My way of having maybe
a little bit of closure.
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♪ ♪
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This is definitely gonna put
the nail in the coffin
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for our relationship.
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Um, and you know what?
I'm okay with it.
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♪ ♪
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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[indistinct PA announcement]
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♪ ♪
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- I tried to, uh,
keep her mouth shut,
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but it didn't work.
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I knew that I had
to do something.
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She was gonna run
with the money.
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♪ ♪
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[indistinct chatter]
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[baby crying]
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♪ ♪
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- [laughing]
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- No, I didn't threaten
to kill her.
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I just told my wife,
I says,
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"We can't do this
in the airport."
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[laughs]
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I meant we can't confront her
in the airport.
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I didn't mean anything other
than we cannot confront her
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in the airport.
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♪ ♪
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- Turned out to be
a misunderstanding.
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I mean, but--but you
still have to run it out
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to make--you know,
to make sure,
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and you know,
the long and short of it is,
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it wasn't a valid threat.
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- Right after that,
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my wife took her sister
to the bank to cash the check
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and was attached at the hips,
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with her until she did
the right thing with the money.
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Yeah.
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- So after that airport drama,
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we started to focus on Dwight
even more.
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So we're up on these wiretaps,
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and Rick and I hear
something's happening
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with Uncle Jerry.
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- A phone call was intercepted
between Jacobson
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and Dwight Baker.
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- The conversation was
that Jacobson and Dwight
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were going to meet
for the exchange
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of a winning piece.
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That exchange was going
to happen
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somewhere in Georgia.
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- And they say on the phone,
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"I'll be there in an hour,"
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or an hour and 15 minutes,
or something like that.
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We had that window.
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- They didn't name the place
where they were gonna meet,
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but they gave hints.
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- "The usual place?"
"You mean along the highway?"
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"Yeah, along the highway."
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- So we hurried up,
we got on the maps,
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and we figured out
that it was somewhere
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along 85 near Atlanta.
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- We had a certain area,
but we didn't know.
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I mean, we thought,
but we weren't sure.
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- So I got on the phone
with Atlanta to tell them,
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"Hey,
this is what's coming up,"
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so they were cued up
and ready.
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- They mobilized quick.
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They had to get there
and get visual,
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and we had air support...
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[helicopter whirring]
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Surveillance group down
in their cars.
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We're looking at rest areas,
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places on the side
of the road, everywhere.
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It was on.
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- I remember looking
at this golf resort
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north of Atlanta.
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It's got to be this place.
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Seems to be about halfway.
It's got to be.
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♪ ♪
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- At his house one time.
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Uh,
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Chateau Elan,
a winery,
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between here and there
is halfway.
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Sometimes we'd eat.
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Sometimes we'd just sit
in the car
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and trade money
and game pieces.
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Yeah.
[chuckles]
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- We actually had
an FBI pilot
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up in the air
and could actually see
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Mr. Jacobson handing Mr. Baker
something in a folder.
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- There it was,
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and off they go.
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♪ ♪
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- The video evidence
speaks volumes
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of the illegal acts
that they were doing.
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It's pretty short but sweet.
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We got you now.
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[wind blowing]
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- It was about the end
of the summer,
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and the game is ending.
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We weren't gonna
have another game.
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We already
have identified Jerry.
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We had identified Mr. Baker
in Fair Play.
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We had identified Mr. Glomb.
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We had identified
and videoed Mr. Hoover,
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and we had several others.
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♪ ♪
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- All right, Devereaux's good.
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He's laying out
the indictment,
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the arrest warrants.
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We're gonna take this
through the grand jury,
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get the true bills,
which is the indictment,
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and we're gonna go out
and effect these arrests.
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- In this case, the charges
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were conspiracy and mail fraud.
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If you use
the United States mail
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in furtherance of a scheme
and artifice to defraud,
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that's penalized
by up to 20 years in prison.
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♪ ♪
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- The initial stage
was the indictment
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of the first eight,
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so the first thing
that was gonna make the news,
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that was gonna alert
all the other winners that,
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"Hey, the gig is over,"
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was the end of August,
August 21st.
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- Everybody was spread
across the country,
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and so we ended up having
to request the assistance
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of numerous offices
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spread entirely
across the United States.
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You have to provide
those agents
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enough information
to make arrests.
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- So in anticipation
of the takedown,
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we had prepared a very,
very lengthy communication.
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- So it's our whole plan.
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It's the background
of the investigation.
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I mean, this communication
was probably
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20 or 30 pages long.
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Very, very specific,
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in-depth,
puts you right there.
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Like, everything.
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♪ ♪
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- We faxed it,
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and I'm not going
to say who did it.
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I'll say I didn't,
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but there may have been
somebody I know very closely
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that did it
that would deny it.
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- It doesn't matter who it was,
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but on the speed dial--
which I never use speed dial--
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but the agents
sending that plan thought
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that the speed dial on the fax
said "Greenville FBI"
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when in fact it said
"The Greenville News."
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[suspenseful music]
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♪ ♪
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- It ended up being probably
the worst person in the world,
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a news agency.
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- Now, this is a big issue now,
right?
245
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Like, all the stuff's
out there.
246
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Now you got people
that might be waiting on agents
247
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to come arrest them
and all this.
248
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It's bad, bad, bad.
249
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Rick Dent's big head
was sweating bad.
250
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Devereaux was sweating it.
251
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Chris Graham was losing weight
over that.
252
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- I remember being really,
really angry about it.
253
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Like, you know,
how in the world, you know?
254
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How could this happen?
255
00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:49,881
- You know, now it's,
"How do we fix it?"
256
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How do we keep them
from going with this story?
257
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After all this work,
258
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this could really
screw things up.
259
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[birds chirping]
260
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[keyboard clacking]
261
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- My name's John Boyanoski.
262
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In 2001, I was a reporter
for "The Greenville News."
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I had been there about six
or seven months,
264
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and I was the crime
and courts reporter,
265
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so anything that, you know,
kind of bad happened,
266
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you know, anything
that had anything--
267
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official-looking document
that came across the fax
268
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would come to my desk.
269
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So I came in on Monday morning,
270
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and there was a stapled thing
on my chair,
271
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and I picked it up,
and I saw FBI on it.
272
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Three paragraphs in,
I'm thinking,
273
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"This--this doesn't
sound right."
274
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This is an open investigation.
275
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Like, you're talking about
surveillance in here,
276
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and I'm like--
so at first, like,
277
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"Oh, it's the background."
I'm like, "No, they're--"
278
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and I start flipping through,
and it's all surveillance stuff
279
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and, like,
background information.
280
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I'm like, "I don't think this
is supposed to be going
281
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to John Boyanoski
and 'The Greenville News.'"
282
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I remember I turned around
my chair and I go to my boss.
283
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I'm like,
"Dave, did you look at this?
284
00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:01,047
Like, where'd this come from?"
285
00:14:01,130 --> 00:14:02,214
And he's like, "Yeah,
I kind of looked at it."
286
00:14:02,297 --> 00:14:03,381
I'm like, "No, you didn't.
287
00:14:03,464 --> 00:14:06,464
Dave, I--I think we have
an open FBI investigation."
288
00:14:06,547 --> 00:14:08,297
He's like, "What?"
And we start looking at it.
289
00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:10,005
His eyes kind of go like this.
290
00:14:10,089 --> 00:14:11,339
I'm 24 years old.
291
00:14:11,422 --> 00:14:12,881
I'm trying to make
a name for myself,
292
00:14:12,964 --> 00:14:14,047
and I want to write a story.
293
00:14:14,130 --> 00:14:16,047
I'm like, we have, you know,
294
00:14:16,130 --> 00:14:18,839
exclusive, you know,
McDonald's investigation.
295
00:14:18,923 --> 00:14:20,798
FBI looking into
a big fraud case.
296
00:14:22,714 --> 00:14:24,673
- So Mark Devereaux's
first response was,
297
00:14:24,756 --> 00:14:26,005
just jump in the Bureau plane
298
00:14:26,089 --> 00:14:28,297
and slide down
to South Carolina.
299
00:14:28,381 --> 00:14:30,381
- Each office
surveillance squad
300
00:14:30,464 --> 00:14:33,381
has usually a Cessna 160
or something.
301
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If you were ever
in a Volkswagen Bug
302
00:14:35,130 --> 00:14:36,547
in the early '70s,
303
00:14:36,631 --> 00:14:39,214
it's like a lawnmower
in the sky.
304
00:14:39,297 --> 00:14:40,506
- I look at that going,
305
00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:42,923
"No way in hell I want to be
part of that again. Shit."
306
00:14:43,005 --> 00:14:45,923
And Devereaux being in that
controlled-ass environment
307
00:14:46,005 --> 00:14:47,506
with him and a Tide bottle.
308
00:14:47,589 --> 00:14:48,923
That's the only way
you've got to pee.
309
00:14:49,005 --> 00:14:50,005
Can you imagine that?
310
00:14:50,089 --> 00:14:52,047
I mean, that's an awful
situation to be in.
311
00:14:52,130 --> 00:14:54,923
- Literally we get
in the plane,
312
00:14:55,005 --> 00:14:57,923
fly from Jacksonville
to South Carolina that night
313
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to do our best to ensure that
that, um,
314
00:15:01,339 --> 00:15:06,464
faux pas didn't cause us
significant embarrassment.
315
00:15:06,547 --> 00:15:08,923
- That plane sucked.
316
00:15:11,798 --> 00:15:13,589
[keyboards clacking]
317
00:15:13,673 --> 00:15:15,714
- I can tell you
at that point in time,
318
00:15:15,798 --> 00:15:19,506
that news agency
had no requirement
319
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to keep it quiet.
320
00:15:21,756 --> 00:15:23,422
We did beg, plead,
321
00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:26,005
asking if they would
be kind enough
322
00:15:26,089 --> 00:15:29,214
basically to keep that
to themselves.
323
00:15:29,297 --> 00:15:30,964
- There was a little bit of,
you know,
324
00:15:31,047 --> 00:15:33,255
"What are we gonna get
for it?"
325
00:15:33,339 --> 00:15:35,047
- Can't say we bribed them,
326
00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:39,047
but I will say that
we gave them an opportunity
327
00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:43,255
to, uh, be able to take
a photograph, possibly,
328
00:15:43,339 --> 00:15:46,589
following the arrest
in connection
329
00:15:46,673 --> 00:15:48,130
with the investigation.
330
00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:49,714
- Their thing was,
331
00:15:49,798 --> 00:15:51,798
"If you could just give us
the exclusive."
332
00:15:51,881 --> 00:15:54,214
- It was something at least
to sweeten the deal
333
00:15:54,297 --> 00:15:58,214
and thank them for covering up
the mistake that, uh,
334
00:15:58,297 --> 00:16:00,756
Special Agent Mathews--
I mean, I didn't say that--
335
00:16:00,839 --> 00:16:02,673
may have made.
336
00:16:04,047 --> 00:16:06,005
- So I want to say,
now that I'm saying it
337
00:16:06,089 --> 00:16:07,172
and remembering all this,
338
00:16:07,255 --> 00:16:09,506
that was not me that faxed
that freaking thing over.
339
00:16:09,589 --> 00:16:11,172
[laughs]
It was somebody else.
340
00:16:11,255 --> 00:16:16,172
- I can promise you, every time
I use a fax machine,
341
00:16:16,255 --> 00:16:18,631
I check it not once,
not twice,
342
00:16:18,714 --> 00:16:20,589
but at least three times.
343
00:16:20,673 --> 00:16:23,297
- If anybody ever knew how
close this was just to--
344
00:16:23,381 --> 00:16:25,089
[mimics explosion]
Blowing up, right?
345
00:16:25,172 --> 00:16:29,172
I know that those subjects who
are--who may see this would go,
346
00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:31,422
"Damn it,
how did that not happen?"
347
00:16:31,506 --> 00:16:33,130
And, like,
too bad, right?
348
00:16:33,214 --> 00:16:34,798
Didn't.
We were the good guys.
349
00:16:34,881 --> 00:16:36,756
It always works better
for the good guys.
350
00:16:36,839 --> 00:16:37,798
We always find a way,
351
00:16:37,881 --> 00:16:40,214
which is what I'm saying
happened there. [laughs]
352
00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:54,506
- The night before,
Attorney General Ashcroft,
353
00:16:54,589 --> 00:16:57,839
he gave us the go-ahead
to take the action.
354
00:16:57,923 --> 00:17:02,214
♪ ♪
355
00:17:02,297 --> 00:17:04,714
- Day of the takedown,
it's a very early morning,
356
00:17:04,798 --> 00:17:06,673
probably anywhere
from 5:00 in the morning.
357
00:17:06,756 --> 00:17:08,631
You're getting up, you're
making sure everybody's ready.
358
00:17:08,714 --> 00:17:10,172
Regardless
of whether you believe
359
00:17:10,255 --> 00:17:11,506
the person is violent or not,
360
00:17:11,589 --> 00:17:12,673
you still have to be
very careful
361
00:17:12,756 --> 00:17:15,172
as to the tactical approach
any time that you engage
362
00:17:15,255 --> 00:17:16,714
in the arrest of an individual,
363
00:17:16,798 --> 00:17:18,381
because you're taking away
their liberties,
364
00:17:18,464 --> 00:17:19,798
and they pretty much know that.
365
00:17:19,881 --> 00:17:21,839
- The arrests were scheduled
366
00:17:21,923 --> 00:17:23,631
to all go down
at the same time
367
00:17:23,714 --> 00:17:25,673
so that there
wouldn't be conversation,
368
00:17:25,756 --> 00:17:30,714
and Jacksonville sent agents
to each location
369
00:17:30,798 --> 00:17:33,381
so that somebody that's
familiar with the case
370
00:17:33,464 --> 00:17:36,756
will be able to be there
to help with the arrest.
371
00:17:38,255 --> 00:17:40,381
- My role that day
as the supervisor
372
00:17:40,464 --> 00:17:42,673
of the squad
in the command post
373
00:17:42,756 --> 00:17:45,381
was really kind of
coordinating,
374
00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:48,714
and if there was problems
out in the field,
375
00:17:48,798 --> 00:17:50,839
any decision about how
to handle it for the most part
376
00:17:50,923 --> 00:17:52,714
is gonna come to me.
377
00:17:52,798 --> 00:17:54,589
- I was in charge
of the arrest
378
00:17:54,673 --> 00:17:56,923
of Brenda Phenis in Indiana.
379
00:17:57,005 --> 00:17:59,214
- I had the takedown
of Dwight Baker.
380
00:17:59,297 --> 00:18:02,214
- My duty on takedown day
was Gloria Brown
381
00:18:02,297 --> 00:18:04,881
here in Jacksonville.
382
00:18:04,964 --> 00:18:06,839
- So I sit in the FBI's office
as we can hear them,
383
00:18:06,923 --> 00:18:09,214
"Okay, we're making
the moves now."
384
00:18:09,297 --> 00:18:10,381
It sounded like, you know,
385
00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:12,464
a mid-'90s Michael Bay
kind of thing
386
00:18:12,547 --> 00:18:14,631
and you're hearing, you know,
"Go, go, go!"
387
00:18:14,714 --> 00:18:17,089
- So I got Glomb,
388
00:18:17,172 --> 00:18:20,631
by far the nastier,
389
00:18:20,714 --> 00:18:24,089
more potential danger
of anybody else,
390
00:18:24,172 --> 00:18:26,214
and then,
you know with me,
391
00:18:26,297 --> 00:18:28,756
it's always a contest
no matter what,
392
00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:32,130
so, you know, I'm gonna get
my guy before anybody else.
393
00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,839
My guy, Glomb,
was behind a fortress.
394
00:18:38,589 --> 00:18:42,756
A legitimate, big-time,
cameras everywhere,
395
00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:44,255
big gates.
396
00:18:44,339 --> 00:18:45,714
Chances are he's not gonna
open the gate.
397
00:18:45,798 --> 00:18:48,089
At the same time,
I wanted to be first.
398
00:18:48,172 --> 00:18:51,130
So we had to find a way
399
00:18:51,214 --> 00:18:54,798
to get Glomb to come out.
400
00:18:54,881 --> 00:18:57,297
The thing
we came up with was,
401
00:18:57,381 --> 00:18:59,714
he has to come out
and get his paper.
402
00:19:02,047 --> 00:19:04,130
So that gate opens up.
403
00:19:04,214 --> 00:19:07,089
Who do you think walks out
and gets the paper?
404
00:19:07,172 --> 00:19:10,130
[dramatic music]
405
00:19:10,214 --> 00:19:12,339
The wife, right?
Not him.
406
00:19:12,422 --> 00:19:14,130
So I'm going, "Oh, God.
407
00:19:14,214 --> 00:19:17,130
I'm gonna ram this car
through the front gate."
408
00:19:17,214 --> 00:19:18,923
♪ ♪
409
00:19:19,005 --> 00:19:20,130
- I had got ready,
410
00:19:20,214 --> 00:19:21,839
was getting ready
to leave the house,
411
00:19:21,923 --> 00:19:24,130
and I see somebody walking by
the kitchen window.
412
00:19:24,214 --> 00:19:25,673
I look out the door,
and it's the FBI.
413
00:19:25,756 --> 00:19:27,798
They haven't knocked
on the door yet.
414
00:19:27,881 --> 00:19:29,798
So I went and ran upstairs,
told my wife.
415
00:19:29,881 --> 00:19:31,631
I said,
"The FBI's out front."
416
00:19:31,714 --> 00:19:33,631
♪ ♪
417
00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:35,255
So when they knocked
on the door,
418
00:19:35,339 --> 00:19:37,547
it was Astralaga.
419
00:19:37,631 --> 00:19:40,506
- We show him
the arrest warrant.
420
00:19:40,589 --> 00:19:42,673
We gained access
to the property,
421
00:19:42,756 --> 00:19:45,089
and he is taken into custody.
422
00:19:45,756 --> 00:19:48,047
- In the command post,
we kept hearing,
423
00:19:48,130 --> 00:19:50,005
"So-and-so's been arrested.
So-and-so confessed.
424
00:19:50,089 --> 00:19:52,464
"Can't find this person.
So-and-so's arrested.
425
00:19:52,547 --> 00:19:53,714
They're denying everything."
426
00:19:53,798 --> 00:19:59,756
♪ ♪
427
00:20:01,255 --> 00:20:04,047
- And so Rick Dent
went to Atlanta
428
00:20:04,130 --> 00:20:07,172
to get Uncle Jerry,
429
00:20:07,255 --> 00:20:09,964
Jerry Jacobson.
430
00:20:10,047 --> 00:20:11,839
- The arrest of Jerry
was in the early morning
431
00:20:11,923 --> 00:20:14,089
at his house, you know.
432
00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:17,005
Knock, knock, knock.
"FBI, open up."
433
00:20:17,089 --> 00:20:20,589
♪ ♪
434
00:20:20,673 --> 00:20:23,673
- I remember Jerry initially,
you know,
435
00:20:23,756 --> 00:20:27,047
doing what you would expect
a former police officer to do,
436
00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:29,214
was, you know, clam up.
437
00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:31,339
You know, he realized
his goose was cooked,
438
00:20:31,422 --> 00:20:32,964
so to speak.
439
00:20:34,339 --> 00:20:37,964
- Eventually he received
his jewelry,
440
00:20:38,047 --> 00:20:39,631
silver handcuffs.
441
00:20:40,964 --> 00:20:43,172
- At Jerry Jacobson's arrest,
442
00:20:43,255 --> 00:20:46,714
he had some Honda
sports car thing
443
00:20:46,798 --> 00:20:48,589
that he was riding around in
that we seized,
444
00:20:48,673 --> 00:20:52,714
and just cash in a trash bag
in the truck of his car.
445
00:20:52,798 --> 00:20:54,005
Who does that shit?
446
00:20:54,089 --> 00:20:56,422
Who carries that crap around?
Really?
447
00:20:56,506 --> 00:21:03,047
♪ ♪
448
00:21:03,130 --> 00:21:06,089
- My first interaction
with Jerry Jacobson
449
00:21:06,172 --> 00:21:09,589
was at the federal courthouse
in Atlanta.
450
00:21:09,673 --> 00:21:13,714
I was in Atlanta
because Jerry Jacobson
451
00:21:13,798 --> 00:21:16,172
was the head of the snake,
452
00:21:16,255 --> 00:21:20,631
and I wanted to personally
advise him
453
00:21:20,714 --> 00:21:22,756
of the charges against him.
454
00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:24,756
- Sources say that
the FBI will announce
455
00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:26,756
that it has made arrests
in an alleged scheme
456
00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:28,756
to defraud
the McDonald's Corporation
457
00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:30,964
by rigging its recent
Monopoly game.
458
00:21:31,047 --> 00:21:33,089
Now, the FBI would only say
that it has scheduled
459
00:21:33,172 --> 00:21:35,589
a news conference
for 2:15 this afternoon,
460
00:21:35,673 --> 00:21:38,631
but sources tell CNN
seven of the eight people
461
00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:39,798
are in custody.
462
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:41,631
Sources say the eighth
has been indicted,
463
00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:44,297
not arrested yet,
still being sought.
464
00:21:44,381 --> 00:21:46,089
- I'd laid out,
"I'm gonna be the first."
465
00:21:46,172 --> 00:21:48,839
I was the last.
The last one to get their guy.
466
00:21:48,923 --> 00:21:52,631
So we needed
to draw Glomb out,
467
00:21:52,714 --> 00:21:57,714
and then I came up with what
I thought was a great idea.
468
00:21:59,714 --> 00:22:03,464
- A Broward County sheriff
comes to the gate and says,
469
00:22:03,547 --> 00:22:05,464
"Do you guys mind
coming down here
470
00:22:05,547 --> 00:22:07,255
"and identifying these guys?
471
00:22:07,339 --> 00:22:10,798
"They were robbing a house here
and they want you
472
00:22:10,881 --> 00:22:11,964
to identify them."
473
00:22:12,047 --> 00:22:13,673
I says, "Uh, I don't care."
474
00:22:13,756 --> 00:22:16,589
They didn't bother me.
475
00:22:16,673 --> 00:22:18,464
He said, "It'll only take
a couple minutes."
476
00:22:18,547 --> 00:22:20,631
So I said, "Okay,"
477
00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:22,381
and then I went outside,
478
00:22:22,464 --> 00:22:24,005
and of course
they grabbed me outside
479
00:22:24,089 --> 00:22:29,214
and they says, "You're under
arrest for mail fraud."
480
00:22:29,297 --> 00:22:31,339
I said, "Mail fraud?
What's that?"
481
00:22:31,422 --> 00:22:32,839
[laughs]
482
00:22:32,923 --> 00:22:35,381
He says, "On the McDonald's."
I said, "Oh, okay."
483
00:22:35,464 --> 00:22:36,881
[laughs]
484
00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:41,172
Didn't have a clue that
they were onto this case.
485
00:22:41,255 --> 00:22:42,297
Nothing.
486
00:22:42,381 --> 00:22:43,547
And so he didn't say
nothing else.
487
00:22:43,631 --> 00:22:45,923
I says, "Can I get you a cup
of coffee or something?"
488
00:22:46,964 --> 00:22:49,339
Mathews was one
of the original people
489
00:22:49,422 --> 00:22:52,005
who arrested me.
490
00:22:52,089 --> 00:22:54,005
- We had some snippets
of the phone calls
491
00:22:54,089 --> 00:22:56,005
just to let him know
we had what we had,
492
00:22:56,089 --> 00:22:57,839
and he decided
not to cooperate.
493
00:22:57,923 --> 00:22:58,839
One of the very few.
494
00:22:58,923 --> 00:23:00,881
- I remember we were arguing
in the car.
495
00:23:00,964 --> 00:23:03,589
He said, "You think you're
some gangster or something?"
496
00:23:03,673 --> 00:23:05,714
I said, "Yeah, and you think
you're Don Johnson."
497
00:23:05,798 --> 00:23:08,255
You know, from "Miami Vice."
498
00:23:08,339 --> 00:23:11,547
And at the end, he was okay.
499
00:23:11,631 --> 00:23:14,172
In the front, he was
a little bit of an asshole.
500
00:23:16,005 --> 00:23:17,923
- I did. I'm that way.
501
00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:19,881
I'm very friendly.
[chuckles]
502
00:23:19,964 --> 00:23:23,089
[coffee maker gurgling]
503
00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,881
♪ ♪
504
00:23:25,964 --> 00:23:27,506
- It wasn't just the takedown.
505
00:23:27,589 --> 00:23:29,506
There were a number of people
506
00:23:29,589 --> 00:23:32,214
on the initial indictment
that we charged.
507
00:23:32,297 --> 00:23:33,714
On top of that,
508
00:23:33,798 --> 00:23:37,172
I needed to have agents
going out
509
00:23:37,255 --> 00:23:39,714
to interview
all these other winners.
510
00:23:39,798 --> 00:23:41,547
- What we didn't want
to happen
511
00:23:41,631 --> 00:23:45,089
was somebody who is a "winner"
512
00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:47,422
to be sitting at home
and see this takedown
513
00:23:47,506 --> 00:23:49,255
and then have two
or three weeks
514
00:23:49,339 --> 00:23:50,673
to think about it.
[chuckles]
515
00:23:50,756 --> 00:23:52,255
Think about
what they're gonna say,
516
00:23:52,339 --> 00:23:53,631
or worse yet,
517
00:23:53,714 --> 00:23:55,255
hop on a plane and,
you know,
518
00:23:55,339 --> 00:23:56,881
move to South America.
519
00:23:56,964 --> 00:24:00,381
- If you've played the popular
McDonald's Monopoly game
520
00:24:00,464 --> 00:24:02,464
and thought you'd never win
the top prize,
521
00:24:02,547 --> 00:24:04,047
you may have been right.
522
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:06,756
In Washington,
the Attorney General and FBI
523
00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:08,923
announced eight people
were arrested
524
00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:11,255
for defrauding McDonald's
and its customers...
525
00:24:11,339 --> 00:24:14,756
- My work said to me,
"The FBI's looking for you."
526
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:18,464
I'm like, "What?
Oh, shit.
527
00:24:18,547 --> 00:24:21,047
This is the FBI."
528
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:23,964
My friends were, like,
from Louisiana--
529
00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:24,964
from the swamp,
they go,
530
00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:26,964
" We want to hide you out
in the bayou."
531
00:24:27,047 --> 00:24:29,339
I mean,
but then they were like,
532
00:24:29,422 --> 00:24:31,130
"You can never contact
anybody anymore."
533
00:24:31,214 --> 00:24:32,464
It was like a TV script.
534
00:24:32,547 --> 00:24:34,214
"You can't talk to anybody.
You can't contact your family."
535
00:24:34,297 --> 00:24:36,923
I go, "Oh, hell no.
I can't do that."
536
00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:42,130
And finally they caught up
with me.
537
00:24:42,214 --> 00:24:43,798
They finally found me at home.
538
00:24:43,881 --> 00:24:45,381
They were very nice to me.
539
00:24:45,464 --> 00:24:46,631
They were just straight
to the point
540
00:24:46,714 --> 00:24:49,339
and they got what they wanted
to hear from me.
541
00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:51,130
♪ ♪
542
00:24:51,214 --> 00:24:54,297
- I decided I was gonna be
the one to go down the street
543
00:24:54,381 --> 00:24:56,047
and interview Buddy Fisher.
544
00:24:57,381 --> 00:24:59,422
He was a little surprised,
545
00:24:59,506 --> 00:25:02,631
but really didn't try
to tell us anything
546
00:25:02,714 --> 00:25:04,673
other than what
really happened.
547
00:25:04,756 --> 00:25:06,339
Nice guy.
548
00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:08,005
♪ ♪
549
00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:10,297
- So through the course
of the interview I had
550
00:25:10,381 --> 00:25:12,130
with Dwight Baker,
551
00:25:12,214 --> 00:25:13,756
he implicated George Chandler,
552
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,381
his foster son, in the scheme,
553
00:25:16,464 --> 00:25:17,839
in the illegal activity.
554
00:25:17,923 --> 00:25:19,881
At that point we made
a determination
555
00:25:19,964 --> 00:25:22,172
to reach out to George Chandler
and talk to him
556
00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:23,547
about his involvement.
557
00:25:23,631 --> 00:25:29,673
♪ ♪
558
00:25:29,756 --> 00:25:32,714
- I was on I-20,
and my cell phone rang.
559
00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:36,172
My secretary came on the phone
and said,
560
00:25:36,255 --> 00:25:42,714
"George, there's two guys
in the office here from the FBI
561
00:25:42,798 --> 00:25:45,381
who would like
to speak to you."
562
00:25:45,464 --> 00:25:50,047
"Put them on the phone."
[laughing]
563
00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:52,381
Who don't want to talk
to the FBI, you know?
564
00:25:52,464 --> 00:25:56,547
So this guy comes on the phone,
565
00:25:56,631 --> 00:26:02,547
and his name
is Special Agent Astralaga,
566
00:26:02,631 --> 00:26:04,714
and he said,
"Mr. Chandler,
567
00:26:04,798 --> 00:26:08,881
"we've arrested this morning
Dwight and Linda Baker
568
00:26:08,964 --> 00:26:12,172
"for their involvement
in the McDonald's
569
00:26:12,255 --> 00:26:14,756
"Monopoly games scam,
570
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:16,547
"and we would like
to speak to you
571
00:26:16,631 --> 00:26:18,673
about your involvement in it."
572
00:26:18,756 --> 00:26:22,089
And the first thing out
of my mouth was,
573
00:26:22,172 --> 00:26:25,047
"If you've arrested Dwight
and Linda Baker,
574
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:26,714
you've got the wrong people."
575
00:26:26,798 --> 00:26:29,798
[phone ringing]
576
00:26:31,339 --> 00:26:32,506
[receiver clicks]
577
00:26:33,464 --> 00:26:34,923
- [indistinct speech]
578
00:26:35,005 --> 00:26:37,798
- For some reason,
I was home that day,
579
00:26:37,881 --> 00:26:42,422
and my sister called me.
580
00:26:42,506 --> 00:26:43,923
- So I picked up the phone
and called her
581
00:26:44,005 --> 00:26:46,255
and just said, "Are you
watching television?"
582
00:26:46,339 --> 00:26:48,422
She said no,
and I said, "Well, turn it on."
583
00:26:48,506 --> 00:26:50,297
- William Fisher
and Gloria Brown
584
00:26:50,381 --> 00:26:51,714
both live in Jacksonville.
585
00:26:51,798 --> 00:26:52,923
Prosecutors say the plot...
586
00:26:53,005 --> 00:26:56,130
- And there was my name
on the screen.
587
00:26:56,214 --> 00:27:00,589
"Gloria Brown indicted."
588
00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:04,631
I just kind of, like, folded
up in the kitchen by myself.
589
00:27:04,714 --> 00:27:06,255
Again, there I was alone.
590
00:27:06,339 --> 00:27:08,756
I'm like, "Okay, God."
591
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,631
Before I can get to even listen
592
00:27:11,714 --> 00:27:15,089
to what was on the television
about me,
593
00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:16,631
my doorbell rang.
594
00:27:16,714 --> 00:27:19,255
[doorbell rings]
595
00:27:19,339 --> 00:27:21,631
Open the door, and there was
this detective there.
596
00:27:21,714 --> 00:27:25,798
I went, "Oh, my God."
[inhales sharply]
597
00:27:25,881 --> 00:27:28,339
- Initially she was denying
being involved with anything
598
00:27:28,422 --> 00:27:29,964
and I kind of really sped up
to the fact of,
599
00:27:30,047 --> 00:27:31,673
"We're not talking about
whether you did it or not.
600
00:27:31,756 --> 00:27:33,172
"We're just talking about
how much time in prison
601
00:27:33,255 --> 00:27:34,673
"you're gonna serve,
so, you know,
602
00:27:34,756 --> 00:27:36,297
you might want to go ahead
and start cooperating now."
603
00:27:36,381 --> 00:27:37,964
♪ ♪
604
00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:39,839
- And I had decided it's time.
605
00:27:39,923 --> 00:27:41,381
The lie's fixing to be over,
606
00:27:41,464 --> 00:27:42,798
and I just told him.
607
00:27:42,881 --> 00:27:45,130
There was no need for me
to lie anymore.
608
00:27:45,214 --> 00:27:47,130
- She basically told us
what we needed to know,
609
00:27:47,214 --> 00:27:49,756
and we already knew, again,
because we knew the scheme,
610
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,089
and we knew
the recruiting formula
611
00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:53,089
and how it happened.
612
00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:55,839
- I saw her shoulders
kind of sink a little bit.
613
00:27:55,923 --> 00:27:58,506
- I'm saying to myself,
"Do I need a lawyer first?"
614
00:27:58,589 --> 00:28:00,172
You know, that's
the kind of stuff,
615
00:28:00,255 --> 00:28:01,547
"Am I doing the right thing?"
616
00:28:01,631 --> 00:28:02,881
You know, I just didn't know
what to do.
617
00:28:02,964 --> 00:28:05,631
I never thought about
what to do
618
00:28:05,714 --> 00:28:09,839
once I got caught,
619
00:28:09,923 --> 00:28:13,172
and I was not sure if they
was gonna take me with them.
620
00:28:13,255 --> 00:28:15,756
I was waiting on a police car
to pull up out front.
621
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,339
When they walked to the door,
622
00:28:18,422 --> 00:28:20,339
I walked to the door with them.
623
00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:23,839
When they said that we'll be
getting back with you,
624
00:28:23,923 --> 00:28:28,005
I was so happy
right in that moment.
625
00:28:28,089 --> 00:28:29,714
I said, "At least that way
I get a chance
626
00:28:29,798 --> 00:28:34,339
to make some arrangements
right quick."
627
00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:36,047
- The deal was,
if they didn't cooperate,
628
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:37,047
we were gonna arrest.
629
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:38,214
If they did cooperate,
630
00:28:38,297 --> 00:28:39,214
we were gonna take
their statement
631
00:28:39,297 --> 00:28:40,547
and then go ahead
and document it
632
00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:43,339
and then refer, you know,
to the case agent
633
00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:45,547
who would then take it
to the federal prosecutor.
634
00:28:45,631 --> 00:28:50,881
♪ ♪
635
00:28:50,964 --> 00:28:53,673
[indistinct PA announcement]
636
00:28:55,422 --> 00:28:58,506
- I was almost done
with my prison time
637
00:28:58,589 --> 00:29:01,714
for doing the fraud
that I did,
638
00:29:01,798 --> 00:29:07,422
and I see there's
two tall gentlemen in suits.
639
00:29:07,506 --> 00:29:10,214
They said, "We're here
for McDonald's Monopoly,
640
00:29:10,297 --> 00:29:13,547
and they had this poster
laid out,
641
00:29:13,631 --> 00:29:16,756
and Uncle Jerry was
the middle bubble.
642
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,422
They had all these bubbles
all around,
643
00:29:19,506 --> 00:29:23,214
and then they had
these size bubbles,
644
00:29:23,297 --> 00:29:27,089
and I was that size bubble
connected to him,
645
00:29:27,172 --> 00:29:31,589
and it was Jerry Colombo,
deceased.
646
00:29:31,673 --> 00:29:35,089
There's my picture,
Robin Colombo, incarcerated.
647
00:29:35,172 --> 00:29:36,297
[sniffs]
648
00:29:36,381 --> 00:29:37,798
You know,
and I'm looking over it,
649
00:29:37,881 --> 00:29:39,130
and I go, "Mm, okay."
650
00:29:39,214 --> 00:29:42,047
And I said,
"I tell you what.
651
00:29:42,130 --> 00:29:45,297
"Give me your card,
and if I can think of anything,
652
00:29:45,381 --> 00:29:48,589
I will get in touch with you.
How about that?"
653
00:29:48,673 --> 00:29:52,798
And they said, "No, that's not
how that works, Mrs. Colombo."
654
00:29:52,881 --> 00:29:54,214
I said... [sniffs]
655
00:29:54,297 --> 00:29:56,172
"That's how this
is gonna work right now."
656
00:29:56,255 --> 00:29:58,130
I said,
"Let me tell you something.
657
00:29:58,214 --> 00:30:01,631
"I have a little boy out there
and a daughter
658
00:30:01,714 --> 00:30:05,422
"and you don't know
who you're messing with,
659
00:30:05,506 --> 00:30:08,547
and I'm not gonna put
their lives in jeopardy."
660
00:30:08,631 --> 00:30:11,964
I got the card,
they go to leave,
661
00:30:12,047 --> 00:30:13,130
and I'm going to leave.
662
00:30:13,214 --> 00:30:15,964
I'm thinking, "Okay,
I'm going back down
663
00:30:16,047 --> 00:30:17,130
to the girls' part, right?"
664
00:30:17,214 --> 00:30:20,130
Well, here come officers
from the prison.
665
00:30:20,214 --> 00:30:22,631
They go, "Colombo,
come back up here."
666
00:30:22,714 --> 00:30:25,756
And they wanted to shackle me,
and I go, "Wait, wait, wait.
667
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:27,130
What are you doing?"
668
00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:30,297
They said, "Well, your
custody level has changed now
669
00:30:30,381 --> 00:30:31,964
because you're
under investigation."
670
00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:33,297
I said, "No, I'm not."
671
00:30:33,381 --> 00:30:35,631
I said, "So whether I talk
to them or not,
672
00:30:35,714 --> 00:30:37,089
whatever, this is all--"
673
00:30:37,172 --> 00:30:39,130
And they said, "Yeah."
I said, "Hold this."
674
00:30:39,214 --> 00:30:40,297
"No, Mrs. Colombo."
675
00:30:40,381 --> 00:30:43,297
I said, "Leave me alone.
I'm calling the feds."
676
00:30:45,464 --> 00:30:48,172
I ran to the double doors
677
00:30:48,255 --> 00:30:50,839
and I kicked
the double door open.
678
00:30:50,923 --> 00:30:54,255
I said, "Hey, come here!"
679
00:30:54,339 --> 00:30:55,464
They said,
"Oh, you want to talk?"
680
00:30:55,547 --> 00:30:56,798
I said, "Yeah, come on in.
Come on.
681
00:30:56,881 --> 00:30:58,464
"Hey, Mike,
can I have some coffee?
682
00:30:58,547 --> 00:31:00,839
Can we have coffee?
I think they want coffee."
683
00:31:00,923 --> 00:31:03,506
[chuckles]
684
00:31:03,589 --> 00:31:06,798
I said, "You really know more
than I do, honestly."
685
00:31:06,881 --> 00:31:08,673
And of course they're like,
686
00:31:08,756 --> 00:31:10,631
"Well, why don't you
humor us?"
687
00:31:10,714 --> 00:31:12,506
I said, "Well, let's do this."
688
00:31:12,589 --> 00:31:15,047
I need a cigarette, so let's
take a cigarette break."
689
00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:17,005
And I was taking them out
every ten minutes.
690
00:31:17,089 --> 00:31:18,339
They're like, "You really
got to smoke that?"
691
00:31:18,422 --> 00:31:21,506
I said, "I really do.
You got my nerves wracked."
692
00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,005
As a matter of fact,
I need one now,
693
00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:24,047
talking about it.
694
00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:26,714
And, um, "You really
should quit those things."
695
00:31:26,798 --> 00:31:29,673
I said, "Yeah,
today is not the day."
696
00:31:29,756 --> 00:31:32,255
6:00 came,
and they took me in
697
00:31:32,339 --> 00:31:33,547
where the TV room was.
698
00:31:33,631 --> 00:31:36,756
John Ashcroft came
on television
699
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,089
and my knees--I just kind of
got weak
700
00:31:39,172 --> 00:31:40,756
and knew it was over.
701
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,381
- This morning, the agents
702
00:31:42,464 --> 00:31:44,422
of the Federal Bureau
of Investigation
703
00:31:44,506 --> 00:31:46,714
arrested eight individuals
704
00:31:46,798 --> 00:31:49,714
in several states
for their involvement
705
00:31:49,798 --> 00:31:51,381
in a nationwide scheme
706
00:31:51,464 --> 00:31:54,130
to defraud
McDonald's Corporation
707
00:31:54,214 --> 00:31:56,005
and its customers
708
00:31:56,089 --> 00:31:58,547
by fraudulently manipulating
709
00:31:58,631 --> 00:32:01,798
McDonald's promotional
prize contests.
710
00:32:03,964 --> 00:32:06,714
We want those involved
in this type of corruption
711
00:32:06,798 --> 00:32:12,255
to know that breaking the law
is not a game.
712
00:32:12,339 --> 00:32:14,589
- That day, everything went,
you know,
713
00:32:14,673 --> 00:32:17,297
really literally according
to plan.
714
00:32:17,381 --> 00:32:20,089
- It made for a very fun,
interesting day
715
00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:22,547
and, uh, one I'll never forget.
716
00:32:22,631 --> 00:32:24,923
- I want to commend
the fine work of the FBI
717
00:32:25,005 --> 00:32:26,381
and the Jacksonville division
718
00:32:26,464 --> 00:32:28,255
of the United States
Attorney's Office
719
00:32:28,339 --> 00:32:31,297
for the Middle District
of Florida.
720
00:32:31,381 --> 00:32:33,714
Everyone involved
in this investigation
721
00:32:33,798 --> 00:32:36,923
has worked hard to break
this conspiracy.
722
00:32:37,005 --> 00:32:38,047
- How'd we miss this?
723
00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,422
There's like seven winners
in the 864 area code
724
00:32:40,506 --> 00:32:41,673
in the last four years.
725
00:32:41,756 --> 00:32:43,714
Like, how did we never put two
and two together ourselves
726
00:32:43,798 --> 00:32:46,589
if they kept coming
from the same darn area?
727
00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:48,255
And we had done stories--
like, big stories
728
00:32:48,339 --> 00:32:49,255
on two or three of the winners,
729
00:32:49,339 --> 00:32:50,464
like the $1 million winners
too,
730
00:32:50,547 --> 00:32:51,631
and we had never
put it together,
731
00:32:51,714 --> 00:32:52,631
so that was one
of the things.
732
00:32:52,714 --> 00:32:53,673
There was a little bit
of kicking ourselves
733
00:32:53,756 --> 00:32:54,923
for journalism like,
"Oh, yeah.
734
00:32:55,005 --> 00:32:56,464
We just never put
that one together,"
735
00:32:56,547 --> 00:32:58,422
so there's a little bit of egg
on our face on that one.
736
00:32:58,506 --> 00:33:01,089
- Well, this story is going
to make a lot of people angry.
737
00:33:01,172 --> 00:33:03,464
- Prosecutors say it appears
McDonald's customers
738
00:33:03,547 --> 00:33:06,631
never really had a chance
to win the biggest prizes.
739
00:33:06,714 --> 00:33:08,297
- Frankly, the odds
of your winning
740
00:33:08,381 --> 00:33:10,297
that $1 million jackpot
at McDonald's
741
00:33:10,381 --> 00:33:11,881
weren't that good
to begin with.
742
00:33:11,964 --> 00:33:15,089
The FBI said the odds were
really about one in zero.
743
00:33:15,172 --> 00:33:16,798
- They need to serve time
for that, definitely.
744
00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:19,339
- Many of the winners were
from the same family
745
00:33:19,422 --> 00:33:20,964
or were closely related.
746
00:33:21,047 --> 00:33:22,464
- At the center
of the fraud ring,
747
00:33:22,547 --> 00:33:24,339
prosecutors say
Jerome Jacobson,
748
00:33:24,422 --> 00:33:27,047
assigned to place the winning
big cash game pieces
749
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:28,339
into circulation.
750
00:33:28,422 --> 00:33:30,464
Instead, the FBI says,
he stole them.
751
00:33:30,547 --> 00:33:32,839
- Passing winning game pieces
to his friends,
752
00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:35,172
who then recruited others
to come forward
753
00:33:35,255 --> 00:33:37,005
and claim the big prizes.
754
00:33:37,089 --> 00:33:39,381
- Jacobson has been given
a Go to Jail card
755
00:33:39,464 --> 00:33:41,214
for keeping the winning
high-end tickets.
756
00:33:41,297 --> 00:33:42,673
- And says the FBI today--
757
00:33:42,756 --> 00:33:44,172
- They had a confidential
informant
758
00:33:44,255 --> 00:33:45,839
who tipped them off at first.
759
00:33:45,923 --> 00:33:48,381
- Someone who had knowledge
of the scheme.
760
00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:50,714
- McDonald's was devastated
by the news,
761
00:33:50,798 --> 00:33:53,339
while a stunned spokesperson
for Parker Brothers
762
00:33:53,422 --> 00:33:55,130
had only this reaction.
763
00:33:55,214 --> 00:33:58,339
[laughter]
764
00:33:58,422 --> 00:34:00,172
- We want you to have
the opportunity
765
00:34:00,255 --> 00:34:04,339
to see who Mr. Jacobs is.
766
00:34:04,422 --> 00:34:06,923
He's 58 years old,
and he's married
767
00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:10,047
and has a family.
768
00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:14,714
He knows the seriousness
of these charges,
769
00:34:14,798 --> 00:34:18,214
and he also knows
that he faces
770
00:34:18,297 --> 00:34:23,047
very serious potential
punishment in prison
771
00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:25,047
if convicted of these charges.
772
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:27,673
We know many of you
have attempted
773
00:34:27,756 --> 00:34:30,714
to contact him,
his wife,
774
00:34:30,798 --> 00:34:32,547
and his family
775
00:34:32,631 --> 00:34:34,255
and have been
in his neighborhood,
776
00:34:34,339 --> 00:34:37,547
and we are asking you
777
00:34:37,631 --> 00:34:41,547
to allow there to be
some privacy
778
00:34:41,631 --> 00:34:46,255
for his family
and for his neighbors.
779
00:34:46,339 --> 00:34:51,589
- Jerry Jacobson had retained
counsel fairly quickly,
780
00:34:51,673 --> 00:34:54,923
an attorney by the name
of Ed Garland,
781
00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:57,964
and so my involvement
was then
782
00:34:58,047 --> 00:35:00,255
talking to the attorney.
783
00:35:00,339 --> 00:35:01,923
- Once he has
retained counsel,
784
00:35:02,005 --> 00:35:06,089
I've instructed him that
I should analyze the case
785
00:35:06,172 --> 00:35:08,089
before he speaks further
with the government.
786
00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:09,923
- Are you gonna share
your motto?
787
00:35:10,005 --> 00:35:12,881
- We follow the motto,
"A fish wouldn't get caught
788
00:35:12,964 --> 00:35:15,547
if he kept his mouth shut,"
789
00:35:15,631 --> 00:35:18,756
and that that's what
a defendant needs to know.
790
00:35:18,839 --> 00:35:20,631
Stop the music.
791
00:35:20,714 --> 00:35:22,631
Stand behind us.
792
00:35:22,714 --> 00:35:24,964
We do the fighting
and the talking for you.
793
00:35:25,047 --> 00:35:26,881
- We're saying that you have
a rogue employee
794
00:35:26,964 --> 00:35:30,130
that embezzles a piece--
steals it, bottom line.
795
00:35:30,214 --> 00:35:33,631
- It was pretty clear that Mark
was coming full force.
796
00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:35,464
The first conversation was,
797
00:35:35,547 --> 00:35:37,506
plead straight up
to the indictment
798
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:41,798
and bring every penny
you have and your wife has.
799
00:35:41,881 --> 00:35:43,964
It was the threats of,
"I'm gonna take everything
800
00:35:44,047 --> 00:35:45,839
down to her engagement ring."
801
00:35:45,923 --> 00:35:50,631
- Mark is a very
effective lawyer,
802
00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:52,506
a very talented lawyer,
803
00:35:52,589 --> 00:35:57,172
and uses his power
in a very assertive way
804
00:35:57,255 --> 00:36:00,297
on behalf of his client,
the United States.
805
00:36:00,381 --> 00:36:02,798
- Ed and I had many
cases together,
806
00:36:02,881 --> 00:36:06,297
and he's a very
experienced attorney,
807
00:36:06,381 --> 00:36:11,673
but I told him that the chances
for Mr. Jacobson
808
00:36:11,756 --> 00:36:16,839
to go to trial and come out
without a conviction was zero.
809
00:36:16,923 --> 00:36:18,756
- When you deal with
a lawyer like that,
810
00:36:18,839 --> 00:36:22,339
you've got to let him know
you're unintimidated
811
00:36:22,422 --> 00:36:25,547
and unintimidatable,
812
00:36:25,631 --> 00:36:28,297
so it became tense
813
00:36:28,381 --> 00:36:30,881
and confrontational
immediately.
814
00:36:30,964 --> 00:36:35,130
Mr. Jacobs will not be making
any statements
815
00:36:35,214 --> 00:36:39,381
about this case
until he appears in court.
816
00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:40,839
- Yeah, that was
a very interesting day.
817
00:36:40,923 --> 00:36:42,089
I sit down in front of the TV,
818
00:36:42,172 --> 00:36:44,172
I turn on CNN Headline News,
819
00:36:44,255 --> 00:36:46,381
boom,
picture of my dad,
820
00:36:46,464 --> 00:36:50,381
and, uh, it was like, "Wow."
821
00:36:50,464 --> 00:36:53,214
Um, in the back of my mind,
822
00:36:53,297 --> 00:36:55,130
I was like, I knew it.
823
00:36:55,214 --> 00:36:57,005
My mom and I always knew
there was something wrong,
824
00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:58,589
and here it is right here
in front of us
825
00:36:58,673 --> 00:37:00,881
now right here on TV.
826
00:37:00,964 --> 00:37:03,714
It's not a surprise.
827
00:37:03,798 --> 00:37:05,798
He was good
at manipulating people.
828
00:37:05,881 --> 00:37:07,714
He was good at it.
829
00:37:07,798 --> 00:37:11,339
That's my dad.
[laughs]
830
00:37:11,422 --> 00:37:13,714
♪ ♪
831
00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:16,506
I guess I was always
questioning
832
00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:18,422
the legitimacy of everything.
833
00:37:18,506 --> 00:37:19,422
It was always something new.
834
00:37:19,506 --> 00:37:21,589
It was always trips
and it was always doing,
835
00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:23,923
you know, always just spending
things extravagantly,
836
00:37:24,005 --> 00:37:26,422
it seemed like to me.
837
00:37:26,506 --> 00:37:29,714
My mom and I always joked
that we always thought
838
00:37:29,798 --> 00:37:33,297
there was something
not right about him.
839
00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:38,881
- I knew he kept secrets
from me.
840
00:37:38,964 --> 00:37:41,589
Ask me no questions,
I'll tell you no lies,
841
00:37:41,673 --> 00:37:43,881
and that's how
I dealt with him.
842
00:37:43,964 --> 00:37:45,964
If I didn't ask him
any questions,
843
00:37:46,047 --> 00:37:48,172
he didn't have to lie to me.
844
00:37:49,673 --> 00:37:50,881
For instance,
845
00:37:50,964 --> 00:37:54,422
he said that he had
this swampland.
846
00:37:54,506 --> 00:37:56,714
He might go out
and buy me something,
847
00:37:56,798 --> 00:37:59,255
and I would say,
"Jerry, that's a lot of money."
848
00:37:59,339 --> 00:38:03,714
He would go, "I sold
a piece of swampland."
849
00:38:03,798 --> 00:38:05,589
♪ ♪
850
00:38:05,673 --> 00:38:09,089
Jerry was always trying
to figure the easy way.
851
00:38:09,172 --> 00:38:12,130
How do you get a free lunch?
852
00:38:12,214 --> 00:38:16,381
The moral of the story is,
there are no free lunches.
853
00:38:16,464 --> 00:38:19,381
♪ ♪
854
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:22,714
But there may be some brownies
hidden somewhere.
855
00:38:25,547 --> 00:38:27,839
Does that make any sense?
856
00:38:33,214 --> 00:38:36,089
- Mr. Jacobson was not
helping us,
857
00:38:36,172 --> 00:38:39,631
and so the question
was still ongoing.
858
00:38:39,714 --> 00:38:42,798
How did he get
the game pieces?
859
00:38:42,881 --> 00:38:44,297
We know he did,
860
00:38:44,381 --> 00:38:46,214
but how did he do it?
861
00:38:47,714 --> 00:38:51,422
- We didn't know if
Dittler Brothers was involved.
862
00:38:51,506 --> 00:38:53,756
- I mean, there was no details
to anything.
863
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:55,089
We don't know
if it's just Jerry.
864
00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:57,255
We don't know if it's,
you know, everybody in there,
865
00:38:57,339 --> 00:38:58,381
so...
866
00:38:59,422 --> 00:39:01,798
- I was furious that Jerry
did what he did
867
00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:05,506
because he put all
of those people at risk.
868
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:08,172
♪ ♪
869
00:39:08,255 --> 00:39:10,839
- And we took a trip
and actually went
870
00:39:10,923 --> 00:39:12,839
to Dittler Brothers because
871
00:39:12,923 --> 00:39:15,172
there might be somebody
there inside.
872
00:39:15,255 --> 00:39:18,130
- When the FBI came in
and shut everything down
873
00:39:18,214 --> 00:39:21,005
and started gathering
their evidence,
874
00:39:21,089 --> 00:39:23,506
and somebody came by and said,
"The FBI's here.
875
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:24,714
"You got everything shut down.
876
00:39:24,798 --> 00:39:26,464
You don't go anywhere
near there."
877
00:39:26,547 --> 00:39:30,339
[machine whirring]
878
00:39:30,422 --> 00:39:31,673
Somebody's in trouble.
879
00:39:31,756 --> 00:39:35,297
Somebody's in trouble,
but I don't know what it--
880
00:39:35,381 --> 00:39:36,673
what effect it's gonna have.
881
00:39:36,756 --> 00:39:38,005
Don't know.
882
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:40,881
♪ ♪
883
00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:43,005
- Well, Roger, first
let me underscore the fact
884
00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:46,089
that, um, Jerome Jacobson
was not a McDonald's employee.
885
00:39:46,172 --> 00:39:48,881
He was in fact an employee
of Simon Marketing,
886
00:39:48,964 --> 00:39:51,381
which was the firm
that McDonald's had contracted
887
00:39:51,464 --> 00:39:52,714
to administer its games.
888
00:39:52,798 --> 00:39:53,881
- McDonald's says tonight
889
00:39:53,964 --> 00:39:55,422
it has fired
the Georgia company
890
00:39:55,506 --> 00:39:56,589
that ran the contests,
891
00:39:56,673 --> 00:39:58,381
and now the FBI
is investigating
892
00:39:58,464 --> 00:40:01,673
how many other instant winners
weren't so instant after all.
893
00:40:01,756 --> 00:40:03,756
♪ ♪
894
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,923
- The deception
by Simon Marketing
895
00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,631
was unacceptable.
896
00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:11,839
We really trusted them
to run the game for us.
897
00:40:11,923 --> 00:40:14,214
We had to end the relationship
898
00:40:14,297 --> 00:40:17,547
to gain the trust back
with our customers.
899
00:40:17,631 --> 00:40:20,673
- Pretty much,
I'd say McDonald's was
900
00:40:20,756 --> 00:40:23,714
98% of our business.
901
00:40:23,798 --> 00:40:29,798
♪ ♪
902
00:40:29,881 --> 00:40:32,089
The FBI showed up one day
at the front door
903
00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:33,422
and shut us down.
904
00:40:33,506 --> 00:40:38,422
♪ ♪
905
00:40:38,506 --> 00:40:39,923
- When the information
came out,
906
00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:42,923
their stock went
from approximately $100
907
00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:45,089
to basically 50¢.
908
00:40:45,172 --> 00:40:47,673
- God, these--
these layoffs are bad.
909
00:40:48,964 --> 00:40:51,381
- It was the largest
one-day drop
910
00:40:51,464 --> 00:40:53,506
on the American Stock Exchange.
911
00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:58,756
- Ensuring that these games
are secure,
912
00:40:58,839 --> 00:41:00,255
that is how
they make their living.
913
00:41:00,339 --> 00:41:02,673
- Two days after McDonald's
fired Simon Marketing
914
00:41:02,756 --> 00:41:04,214
from all future promotions,
915
00:41:04,297 --> 00:41:07,130
a second major company
has also pulled the plug.
916
00:41:07,214 --> 00:41:08,506
- A couple of days later,
917
00:41:08,589 --> 00:41:10,798
Kraft came out
and canceled their contract.
918
00:41:10,881 --> 00:41:12,839
- There's nothing left.
919
00:41:12,923 --> 00:41:15,464
♪ ♪
920
00:41:15,547 --> 00:41:17,172
- So it affected the Chicago,
921
00:41:17,255 --> 00:41:19,798
LA, Atlanta offices
here in the States.
922
00:41:19,881 --> 00:41:23,798
We had an office in London,
Paris, Hong Kong,
923
00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:27,422
and several manufacturing
facilities in China.
924
00:41:29,005 --> 00:41:31,130
- The people at Simon Marketing
were good people.
925
00:41:31,214 --> 00:41:32,464
They were professional.
926
00:41:32,547 --> 00:41:34,297
We really loved working
with them.
927
00:41:34,381 --> 00:41:36,297
So it was devastating
928
00:41:36,381 --> 00:41:38,839
when one bad apple
wrecked the lives
929
00:41:38,923 --> 00:41:40,130
of so many people.
930
00:41:40,214 --> 00:41:42,339
- They're gone, man.
They're gone.
931
00:41:42,422 --> 00:41:49,339
♪ ♪
932
00:41:49,422 --> 00:41:50,923
- We spent one night in jail.
933
00:41:52,798 --> 00:41:55,964
For my bail,
they asked for $1 million.
934
00:41:56,047 --> 00:41:59,005
The judge said, "For this,
you want $1 million?"
935
00:41:59,089 --> 00:42:01,047
He said, "Set it at $200,000."
936
00:42:01,130 --> 00:42:04,631
♪ ♪
937
00:42:04,714 --> 00:42:05,714
I mean, the Lord
really blessed me
938
00:42:05,798 --> 00:42:06,923
in a bad situation,
939
00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:09,214
because I had three lots
that were free and clear.
940
00:42:09,297 --> 00:42:11,839
♪ ♪
941
00:42:11,923 --> 00:42:15,172
The tax value was exactly
$200,000 on those three lots.
942
00:42:15,255 --> 00:42:17,547
So that was--
that was just a miracle.
943
00:42:17,631 --> 00:42:20,172
These three lots here,
944
00:42:20,255 --> 00:42:21,714
the lake is over on this side,
945
00:42:21,798 --> 00:42:23,172
but these three lots here
are the three lots
946
00:42:23,255 --> 00:42:26,714
that I put up as collateral
for my property bond.
947
00:42:26,798 --> 00:42:31,047
♪ ♪
948
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:34,005
- I understood
at that time, obviously,
949
00:42:34,089 --> 00:42:37,381
that something was amiss
with Dwight's story.
950
00:42:37,464 --> 00:42:39,964
And I immediately
called Dwight,
951
00:42:40,047 --> 00:42:46,089
and I remember being
952
00:42:46,172 --> 00:42:48,839
incredulous with him.
953
00:42:48,923 --> 00:42:52,130
Who is the guy that was
going through the divorce?
954
00:42:52,214 --> 00:42:53,589
Where'd you get this ticket?
955
00:42:53,673 --> 00:42:55,255
What's going on?
956
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:58,381
He said, "George, I can't talk
about it right now.
957
00:42:58,464 --> 00:43:00,673
"Don't worry. You don't have
anything to worry about.
958
00:43:00,756 --> 00:43:03,756
You didn't do anything wrong.
It was me."
959
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:06,589
And...
960
00:43:06,673 --> 00:43:10,839
and I wasn't gravely
concerned about it.
961
00:43:12,839 --> 00:43:16,422
- The thing that surprised me
is they gave me bond.
962
00:43:16,506 --> 00:43:20,381
They never should have
gave me bond.
963
00:43:20,464 --> 00:43:23,589
I'm telling you that I was
a fugitive back in the '80s.
964
00:43:23,673 --> 00:43:25,964
So that was a mistake.
965
00:43:26,047 --> 00:43:28,964
So I'm home about two days.
966
00:43:29,047 --> 00:43:33,005
There's two guys at the gate
with suits on.
967
00:43:34,214 --> 00:43:36,631
I said,
"Oh. They came back.
968
00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:38,881
"They came back for me.
969
00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:40,798
That's the marshals
coming to get me."
970
00:43:40,881 --> 00:43:45,089
♪ ♪
971
00:43:45,172 --> 00:43:46,923
Here's Jehovah Witnesses.
972
00:43:47,005 --> 00:43:49,255
[laughs]
973
00:43:49,339 --> 00:43:51,756
I was--I was never so happy
974
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:54,881
to talk to a Jehovah Witness
in my life.
975
00:43:57,464 --> 00:44:00,130
- I was in my maternity shop
in Coral Gables,
976
00:44:00,214 --> 00:44:02,756
and we have a TV going there
all the time.
977
00:44:02,839 --> 00:44:05,464
And they broke in the news
that the McDonald's thing
978
00:44:05,547 --> 00:44:07,798
had just been busted.
979
00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:11,422
I was fuckin' floored.
Fuckin' floored.
980
00:44:11,506 --> 00:44:13,422
Two seconds later,
two FBI agents
981
00:44:13,506 --> 00:44:15,172
walked in my store,
982
00:44:15,255 --> 00:44:17,631
Doug Mathews and Rick Dent,
983
00:44:17,714 --> 00:44:19,673
and they said
they'd like to talk to me
984
00:44:19,756 --> 00:44:21,089
about the McDonald's case,
985
00:44:21,172 --> 00:44:24,381
and I knew I was fucked.
986
00:44:24,464 --> 00:44:26,005
I knew I was fucked.
987
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:28,631
I'll be honest with you,
988
00:44:28,714 --> 00:44:30,923
I don't know if Jerry
turned me in or not.
989
00:44:33,005 --> 00:44:35,839
Right after it happened,
I flew to Atlanta, Georgia.
990
00:44:35,964 --> 00:44:38,464
I said, "Jerry, how the fuck
could you do this?"
991
00:44:38,547 --> 00:44:40,881
I says, "How the fuck--
I thought we were done,"
992
00:44:40,964 --> 00:44:42,673
and I was really pissed,
993
00:44:42,756 --> 00:44:46,130
because I had thought
that night, we were done.
994
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:56,172
- I had hired a local attorney
995
00:44:56,255 --> 00:45:00,214
to go with me to the meeting
with the FBI.
996
00:45:00,297 --> 00:45:03,631
And he called me and said,
997
00:45:03,714 --> 00:45:07,130
"George, you've been indicted."
998
00:45:07,214 --> 00:45:09,506
♪ ♪
999
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:11,005
I was in shock.
1000
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:15,673
♪ ♪
1001
00:45:15,756 --> 00:45:17,047
Yeah, you don't know
how to react,
1002
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:20,589
because you're being charged
with a federal crime.
1003
00:45:21,964 --> 00:45:26,714
My name appears in the text
of major newspapers
1004
00:45:26,798 --> 00:45:28,714
and on major
television stations
1005
00:45:28,798 --> 00:45:30,214
all across the nation.
1006
00:45:30,297 --> 00:45:32,464
Friends are calling me,
1007
00:45:32,547 --> 00:45:34,381
family's calling me,
1008
00:45:34,464 --> 00:45:36,547
business acquaintances
are calling me,
1009
00:45:36,631 --> 00:45:38,422
customers are calling me,
1010
00:45:38,506 --> 00:45:41,089
employees are calling me.
1011
00:45:42,464 --> 00:45:43,923
I didn't know
what to tell them.
1012
00:45:44,005 --> 00:45:46,589
♪ ♪
1013
00:45:46,673 --> 00:45:50,047
I didn't know
what to tell my son,
1014
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:52,589
who's eight years old
at the time.
1015
00:45:54,631 --> 00:45:56,589
Every kid in the school
1016
00:45:56,673 --> 00:45:58,381
has a question for my son,
1017
00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,631
and I don't know
how to help him.
1018
00:46:02,381 --> 00:46:04,881
It was...
1019
00:46:04,964 --> 00:46:06,130
devastating.
1020
00:46:06,214 --> 00:46:08,923
♪ ♪
1021
00:46:09,005 --> 00:46:11,547
- George was, uh...
1022
00:46:13,339 --> 00:46:16,047
He was very angry,
upset, hurt.
1023
00:46:17,756 --> 00:46:21,089
But I tried to explain to him
1024
00:46:21,172 --> 00:46:25,339
that I did everything in my
power to protect him from this.
1025
00:46:26,714 --> 00:46:27,964
Um...
1026
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:41,673
- At some point
in time, though,
1027
00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:43,839
and it was
in fairly short order,
1028
00:46:43,923 --> 00:46:45,130
you--you snap out.
1029
00:46:45,214 --> 00:46:47,964
I snapped out of it,
and I took action.
1030
00:46:48,047 --> 00:46:49,673
I went down to Jacksonville
1031
00:46:49,756 --> 00:46:52,297
and started making phone calls,
1032
00:46:52,381 --> 00:46:55,422
looking for what I termed
1033
00:46:55,506 --> 00:46:57,506
the best criminal lawyer
in town.
1034
00:47:00,422 --> 00:47:03,047
[phone ringing distantly]
1035
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:08,005
- I'm Curtis Scott Fallgatter.
I'm an attorney.
1036
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:10,381
Been an attorney
for about 40 years.
1037
00:47:10,464 --> 00:47:13,839
I was a federal prosecutor
here in town for 17 years,
1038
00:47:13,923 --> 00:47:15,464
and I've been
in private practice
1039
00:47:15,547 --> 00:47:16,506
for some 20 years,
1040
00:47:16,589 --> 00:47:18,172
and I've been blessed
to have been selected
1041
00:47:18,255 --> 00:47:19,631
one of the top
criminal defense attorneys
1042
00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:22,547
in northeast Florida
for the last couple of decades.
1043
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:25,964
In 2001,
I met George Chandler.
1044
00:47:26,047 --> 00:47:27,673
He was 29 years old.
1045
00:47:27,756 --> 00:47:29,339
Ninth grade education,
1046
00:47:29,422 --> 00:47:31,005
but he's a brilliant
young man.
1047
00:47:31,089 --> 00:47:33,339
I was very impressed
with his candor,
1048
00:47:33,422 --> 00:47:35,172
and he explained
how he had been hoodwinked
1049
00:47:35,255 --> 00:47:37,964
by his foster father,
1050
00:47:38,047 --> 00:47:39,964
which of course
demonstrated his innocence.
1051
00:47:40,047 --> 00:47:41,881
I thought, "Well, we can
probably make this case go away
1052
00:47:41,964 --> 00:47:43,172
pretty easily."
1053
00:47:43,255 --> 00:47:45,381
So I picked up the phone
and called Mr. Devereaux.
1054
00:47:47,756 --> 00:47:50,047
- Mr. Fallgatter
interviewed me
1055
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:52,381
in January of 1989
1056
00:47:52,464 --> 00:47:54,673
when I got hired
in this office.
1057
00:47:54,756 --> 00:47:56,547
He's been to my house
many times.
1058
00:47:56,631 --> 00:47:58,631
I've been to his house
many times.
1059
00:47:58,714 --> 00:48:02,464
At one point in time,
we were very sociable.
1060
00:48:02,547 --> 00:48:05,172
Not so much anymore.
1061
00:48:05,255 --> 00:48:07,589
- I explained to him
how George had been hoodwinked,
1062
00:48:07,673 --> 00:48:10,422
did not know the tickets
had been stolen or embezzled,
1063
00:48:10,506 --> 00:48:12,756
and Mr. Devereaux's
response was,
1064
00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:14,422
"Well, if I drop
Mr. Chandler's case,
1065
00:48:14,506 --> 00:48:17,547
I'd have to drop
several others."
1066
00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:24,089
♪ ♪
1067
00:48:26,005 --> 00:48:30,005
- I was the first person
to turn themselves in.
1068
00:48:30,089 --> 00:48:31,673
I mean, they had me.
1069
00:48:31,756 --> 00:48:33,631
I was scared as shit,
1070
00:48:33,714 --> 00:48:35,756
because just the name
Mark Devereaux
1071
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,714
just reminded me of those
old southern gentlemen.
1072
00:48:38,798 --> 00:48:40,881
♪ ♪
1073
00:48:40,964 --> 00:48:43,339
I mean, I'll never forget
the first time I met him.
1074
00:48:43,422 --> 00:48:50,130
♪ ♪
1075
00:48:50,214 --> 00:48:52,422
The only thing he said to me:
1076
00:48:52,506 --> 00:48:54,589
"Don't ever lie to me."
1077
00:48:54,673 --> 00:48:57,464
He said,
"Just don't ever lie to me."
1078
00:48:57,547 --> 00:48:59,631
I says, "Hey, man,
I did whatever I did,
1079
00:48:59,714 --> 00:49:02,214
"and I'll tell you
everything I did.
1080
00:49:02,297 --> 00:49:04,089
I ain't gonna lie."
1081
00:49:04,172 --> 00:49:06,756
Because I've never believed
in lying anyhow.
1082
00:49:06,839 --> 00:49:08,881
I wasn't gonna start then.
1083
00:49:12,964 --> 00:49:15,422
- The plan is to find
a path to victory
1084
00:49:15,506 --> 00:49:17,422
if it is there,
1085
00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:20,881
to protect the client,
to help the client.
1086
00:49:20,964 --> 00:49:24,589
So you--if you start out,
"I'm just gonna plead guilty,"
1087
00:49:24,673 --> 00:49:28,422
you never go through
the mental discipline of,
1088
00:49:28,506 --> 00:49:30,255
"Can I find a way?"
1089
00:49:30,339 --> 00:49:32,631
We probably started out, said,
"If you want him as a witness,
1090
00:49:32,714 --> 00:49:35,089
give him immunity,"
1091
00:49:35,172 --> 00:49:37,297
something like that.
1092
00:49:37,381 --> 00:49:40,506
And that would have met head-on
1093
00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:45,714
with the 180-degree
opposite position.
1094
00:49:48,881 --> 00:49:51,506
- A plea is always
a possibility.
1095
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:55,923
The issue of how he will
address these charges
1096
00:49:56,005 --> 00:49:57,798
is being evaluated.
1097
00:49:57,881 --> 00:50:01,005
♪ ♪
1098
00:50:01,089 --> 00:50:03,089
- When you talk about
what Jerry was facing,
1099
00:50:03,172 --> 00:50:05,005
it gets complicated.
1100
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:06,964
If you start adding up
all of the different counts
1101
00:50:07,047 --> 00:50:10,798
that he was charged with,
he was facing a lot of time.
1102
00:50:10,881 --> 00:50:12,881
And I know it was
well over ten.
1103
00:50:12,964 --> 00:50:17,506
♪ ♪
1104
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:19,214
- I remember it being--
1105
00:50:19,297 --> 00:50:23,673
having a sense of just
huge sympathy
1106
00:50:23,756 --> 00:50:27,339
for the ordeal
that was being imposed on him,
1107
00:50:27,422 --> 00:50:29,381
and the way
it was being imposed.
1108
00:50:29,464 --> 00:50:31,839
- Prosecutors say this is
the man who started it all.
1109
00:50:31,923 --> 00:50:34,881
Jerome Jacobson faces
nine counts of conspiracy
1110
00:50:34,964 --> 00:50:37,506
in a plot they say involved
20 million dollars' worth
1111
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:39,506
of McDonald's
winning game prizes
1112
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:42,172
stolen and then sold
to friends and relatives.
1113
00:50:42,255 --> 00:50:44,547
- If he could cooperate,
it would provide us
1114
00:50:44,631 --> 00:50:46,756
just so much information
1115
00:50:46,839 --> 00:50:48,673
to find all these
other winners.
1116
00:50:48,756 --> 00:50:51,506
And winners turned
into recruiters,
1117
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:53,130
and most importantly,
1118
00:50:53,214 --> 00:50:55,422
to show exactly how he did it.
1119
00:50:56,923 --> 00:50:59,214
- We could not quite
figure it out.
1120
00:50:59,297 --> 00:51:01,047
And now we knew
he was doing it.
1121
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:02,422
We just didn't know the details
1122
00:51:02,506 --> 00:51:04,339
and how he was doing it.
1123
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,464
- The government always
wanted to know how he did it,
1124
00:51:07,547 --> 00:51:11,005
and he did not cooperate
from the beginning.
1125
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:13,089
He would have, but
for the fact that his lawyers
1126
00:51:13,172 --> 00:51:16,422
would not allow him to until
we worked everything out.
1127
00:51:16,506 --> 00:51:20,255
It was the, you know,
talk peace but prepare for war.
1128
00:51:20,339 --> 00:51:22,089
And...
1129
00:51:23,339 --> 00:51:25,005
We were preparing for a war.
1130
00:51:25,089 --> 00:51:30,089
♪ ♪
1131
00:51:32,798 --> 00:51:35,756
- I don't think there ever was
an exit strategy to stopping.
1132
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:37,923
He'd been perfecting it
for 13 years.
1133
00:51:38,005 --> 00:51:41,005
It had just gotten better and
probably easier for him to do.
1134
00:51:42,172 --> 00:51:43,631
And I mean, the only reason
he got caught
1135
00:51:43,714 --> 00:51:44,923
was because he pissed
somebody off
1136
00:51:45,005 --> 00:51:46,506
and somebody went to the FBI
and said,
1137
00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:49,089
"Hey, guess what's happening."
1138
00:51:49,172 --> 00:51:51,798
♪ ♪
1139
00:51:51,881 --> 00:51:54,923
- "Informant key
to unlocking scam
1140
00:51:55,005 --> 00:51:57,923
behind the golden arches."
1141
00:51:58,005 --> 00:52:01,255
Of course they never named
who the informant was,
1142
00:52:01,339 --> 00:52:03,839
but that's how
it all came apart.
1143
00:52:10,964 --> 00:52:13,255
- Nope.
1144
00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:14,881
I think it's the FBI.
1145
00:52:16,964 --> 00:52:19,839
Before this ever went down,
there was a box
1146
00:52:19,923 --> 00:52:23,130
across the street from my house
on a pole,
1147
00:52:23,214 --> 00:52:25,047
placed there
by Blue Ridge Electric.
1148
00:52:27,172 --> 00:52:29,464
I'd always questioned
what it was.
1149
00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:31,005
I've developed a lot
of property.
1150
00:52:31,089 --> 00:52:34,005
I'd never seen that box.
1151
00:52:35,214 --> 00:52:39,839
I suspected they were
eavesdropping on me,
1152
00:52:39,923 --> 00:52:41,964
not because of McDonald's
1153
00:52:42,047 --> 00:52:45,464
but because of
a fellow developer
1154
00:52:45,547 --> 00:52:47,798
here on the lakes.
1155
00:52:47,881 --> 00:52:50,631
The FBI came in,
1156
00:52:50,714 --> 00:52:52,172
the drug enforcement people
came in,
1157
00:52:52,255 --> 00:52:55,881
everybody came in,
tied up all of his shit.
1158
00:52:57,798 --> 00:53:02,005
And they--and I was
on the peripheral of that.
1159
00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:05,839
Within a week after my arrest
1160
00:53:05,923 --> 00:53:08,005
and after this went down,
1161
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:09,297
Blue Ridge Electric trucks
1162
00:53:09,381 --> 00:53:11,005
came into the field
across my street,
1163
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:12,964
and that box is gone.
1164
00:53:15,255 --> 00:53:17,047
So that's why, to me,
1165
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:20,339
I've always felt like their
story of how an informant,
1166
00:53:20,422 --> 00:53:23,881
or how somebody came forward,
1167
00:53:23,964 --> 00:53:26,130
I felt like it was bullshit.
1168
00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,506
- Uh, I do.
1169
00:53:32,589 --> 00:53:34,130
[chuckles]
1170
00:53:36,047 --> 00:53:37,673
- Uh, are we--are we--
- Next question.
1171
00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,547
[laughs]
1172
00:53:39,631 --> 00:53:42,339
♪ ♪
1173
00:53:42,422 --> 00:53:44,172
- Without the informant...
1174
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:48,547
Telling the FBI where to go,
1175
00:53:48,631 --> 00:53:50,422
who to look at...
1176
00:53:50,506 --> 00:53:57,381
♪ ♪
1177
00:53:57,464 --> 00:53:58,756
This case would have never
been broken.
1178
00:53:58,839 --> 00:54:00,422
- Never broken.
- Never.
1179
00:54:00,506 --> 00:54:03,089
♪ ♪
1180
00:54:03,172 --> 00:54:05,881
- I will never tell you
who the source was.
1181
00:54:05,964 --> 00:54:08,047
You will never get that
from me.
1182
00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:09,506
If I was a dead body,
1183
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:11,756
you could not get that
off my corpse.
1184
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:15,923
That's how much I think
about the bureau's program.
1185
00:54:16,005 --> 00:54:17,798
It has to work like that,
right?
1186
00:54:22,506 --> 00:54:25,339
- Well, I don't think
it was anybody in mind.
1187
00:54:25,422 --> 00:54:29,297
If it is, I'd be
very surprised, real surprised.
1188
00:54:29,381 --> 00:54:32,464
If you're gonna surprise me,
go ahead and surprise me.
1189
00:54:32,547 --> 00:54:34,547
- I know who broke the case.
1190
00:54:34,631 --> 00:54:37,631
I--at this moment right now,
1191
00:54:37,714 --> 00:54:39,422
I'm not sure
if I feel comfortable
1192
00:54:39,506 --> 00:54:40,756
saying who broke the case.
1193
00:54:40,839 --> 00:54:44,172
I need to talk to some people
1194
00:54:44,255 --> 00:54:46,923
and make sure
that I'm not in danger
1195
00:54:47,005 --> 00:54:48,923
if I say who broke the case,
1196
00:54:49,005 --> 00:54:51,255
because right now...
1197
00:54:51,339 --> 00:54:57,130
♪ ♪
1198
00:54:57,214 --> 00:55:00,130
I don't know if it's gonna come
back and bite me in the butt.
1199
00:55:07,547 --> 00:55:09,547
- Frank Colombo.
1200
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:09,047
We had this big build up
of the case in anticipation
1201
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:09,756
of the trial.
1202
00:56:10,172 --> 00:56:12,005
-We had him.
-♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1203
00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:13,714
We wanna make sure
justice was served.
1204
00:56:13,923 --> 00:56:15,506
We're feverishly working on
1205
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:18,589
how could Jerome Jacobson
steal winning pieces?
1206
00:56:18,756 --> 00:56:20,464
-♪ (MUSIC STOPS) ♪
-How did he do it?
1207
00:56:20,547 --> 00:56:21,381
♪ (MUSIC RESUMES) ♪
1208
00:56:21,673 --> 00:56:24,464
Jerry Jacobson, tell the truth.
What did you do?
1209
00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:25,923
No one knew.
1210
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:27,506
There's real permanent damage.
1211
00:56:28,255 --> 00:56:30,673
Without the informant, this case
never would've happened.
1212
00:56:31,964 --> 00:56:33,172
INTERVIEWER:
1213
00:56:34,464 --> 00:56:35,547
Time to tell the truth.
1214
00:56:35,964 --> 00:56:37,798
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES, FADES) ♪
1215
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:40,130
Nobody suspected that.
1216
00:56:40,214 --> 00:56:41,798
-♪ (FINAL NOTE) ♪
-(CASH REGISTER RINGS)
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