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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,234 --> 00:00:04,203 Narrator: According to the bible, moses is one of 2 00:00:04,305 --> 00:00:06,969 the most important prophets in history. 3 00:00:07,071 --> 00:00:10,540 But what do we know about the actual man himself? 4 00:00:10,642 --> 00:00:12,744 Surprisingly very little. 5 00:00:12,846 --> 00:00:15,877 There seem to be no factual accounts of moses 6 00:00:15,979 --> 00:00:17,182 and little evidence 7 00:00:17,284 --> 00:00:20,986 from archaeology or historical records to prove 8 00:00:21,088 --> 00:00:23,319 the exodus story is true. 9 00:00:23,421 --> 00:00:26,623 Whether moses is legend or fact, 10 00:00:26,725 --> 00:00:32,094 he is a towering figure in all abrahamic religions. 11 00:00:45,146 --> 00:00:46,844 Narrator: Academics, archaeologists, 12 00:00:46,946 --> 00:00:49,114 and historians debate over when 13 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:52,514 moses lived and if he lived at all, 14 00:00:52,616 --> 00:00:54,652 whether the stories of the ten commandments, 15 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:58,089 the burning bush, and even the parting of the red sea 16 00:00:58,191 --> 00:00:59,189 actually happened. 17 00:01:01,124 --> 00:01:03,227 Kirkpatrick: He performed great acts of magic, 18 00:01:03,329 --> 00:01:06,964 which he claimed were miracles...Or were they? 19 00:01:08,133 --> 00:01:11,935 Boxall: Is there a scientific explanation behind this story? 20 00:01:13,103 --> 00:01:14,839 And the answer is, yes, we can do it very simply. 21 00:01:16,307 --> 00:01:19,343 Phillips: If my historical research is correct, 22 00:01:19,445 --> 00:01:22,180 then moses was the most important person 23 00:01:22,282 --> 00:01:23,447 who ever lived. 24 00:01:26,353 --> 00:01:36,226 ♪ 25 00:01:36,328 --> 00:01:46,234 ♪ 26 00:01:46,336 --> 00:01:54,913 ♪ 27 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:57,446 narrator: Moses is one of the most important figures 28 00:01:57,548 --> 00:01:58,646 in the old testament, 29 00:01:58,786 --> 00:02:00,417 according to the bible, 30 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:03,121 but who is this mysterious character? 31 00:02:06,723 --> 00:02:08,092 Gough: Moses was a prophet 32 00:02:08,194 --> 00:02:11,396 according to christianity and islam. 33 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:13,096 The jury is still out on 34 00:02:13,198 --> 00:02:14,463 whether he is a real, 35 00:02:14,565 --> 00:02:17,867 historical figure or mythological. 36 00:02:19,169 --> 00:02:20,804 Mcmahon: I mean, he may have been a legendary figure. 37 00:02:20,906 --> 00:02:24,108 He may have been factual, but he's the most important 38 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:26,342 prophet in the old testament. 39 00:02:26,444 --> 00:02:29,212 You know, he writes the torah, the laws of god. 40 00:02:29,314 --> 00:02:31,717 He leads the israelites out of egypt, 41 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:33,983 out of bondage to the promised land. 42 00:02:34,085 --> 00:02:37,621 And he is, among all the prophets, the most revered, 43 00:02:37,723 --> 00:02:38,854 the most important. 44 00:02:41,093 --> 00:02:46,229 [ singing in foreign language ] 45 00:02:46,331 --> 00:02:50,200 young-somers: Moses holds a very important role in the three big 46 00:02:50,302 --> 00:02:51,666 monotheistic faiths, 47 00:02:51,768 --> 00:02:56,808 as the archetype leader certainly forms the majority 48 00:02:56,910 --> 00:02:59,408 of the narrative through the five books of moses, 49 00:02:59,510 --> 00:03:02,479 which are obviously cortex for both jews and christians, 50 00:03:02,581 --> 00:03:04,616 whether that's in the old testament or in the hebrew 51 00:03:04,718 --> 00:03:07,683 bible and torah, and then he's also considered a very 52 00:03:07,785 --> 00:03:10,387 important prophet in islam, too, so, 53 00:03:10,489 --> 00:03:14,257 I think, a core figure for all the three abrahamic faiths. 54 00:03:18,164 --> 00:03:20,732 Narrator: The traditional story is that moses was 55 00:03:20,834 --> 00:03:24,132 the son of a hebrew slave in ancient egypt. 56 00:03:24,234 --> 00:03:27,203 At the time, the pharaoh feared his growing 57 00:03:27,305 --> 00:03:28,703 hebrew population 58 00:03:28,805 --> 00:03:32,674 and ordered all of their newborn boys to be slain. 59 00:03:32,776 --> 00:03:35,778 So to escape this fate, moses's mother 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,315 hid her son in a basket and set it free on 61 00:03:39,417 --> 00:03:40,615 the river nile. 62 00:03:45,859 --> 00:03:48,090 Moses is found by no less a person than 63 00:03:48,192 --> 00:03:49,394 pharaoh's daughter, 64 00:03:49,496 --> 00:03:52,694 who brings him to the royal palace, where he's brought up. 65 00:03:52,796 --> 00:03:55,298 Now, not only is that dramatic in terms of the context, 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,202 but in terms of story-writing and symbol, that's the most 67 00:03:58,304 --> 00:03:59,169 powerful you get, 68 00:03:59,271 --> 00:04:00,802 because it's a transitional moment. 69 00:04:00,904 --> 00:04:04,573 It's liminal, he's moving from one world into the next world 70 00:04:04,675 --> 00:04:08,844 through the water -- he's being set up as a hero in the making. 71 00:04:08,946 --> 00:04:10,848 Narrator: As moses enters adulthood, 72 00:04:10,950 --> 00:04:13,381 he embarks on a troubling path, 73 00:04:13,483 --> 00:04:17,586 torn between his egyptian upbringing and his hebrew roots. 74 00:04:18,658 --> 00:04:21,490 Bianchi: Moses, as this adopted egyptian, 75 00:04:21,592 --> 00:04:26,298 sees his people being mistreated, and moses sees 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,931 an egyptian overseer beat a hebrew worker. 77 00:04:31,604 --> 00:04:33,969 And moses waits for an opportune time, 78 00:04:35,308 --> 00:04:37,939 goes up to the egyptian, and murders him. 79 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:42,981 News of his murder 80 00:04:43,083 --> 00:04:46,818 is on everybody's lips, and pharaoh starts 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,152 to look for him. 82 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:52,289 Narrator: Moses escaped to the desert and led 83 00:04:52,391 --> 00:04:55,393 a simple life in exile as a shepherd. 84 00:04:55,495 --> 00:04:58,460 One day, while tending his flock, he encountered 85 00:04:58,562 --> 00:05:01,364 a burning bush and the voice of god, 86 00:05:01,466 --> 00:05:04,801 telling him to return to egypt, confront the pharaoh, 87 00:05:04,903 --> 00:05:08,572 free the hebrews, and take them to the promised land. 88 00:05:09,674 --> 00:05:11,543 To support moses's mission, 89 00:05:11,645 --> 00:05:14,976 god summons ten plagues to terrorize the pharaoh. 90 00:05:15,078 --> 00:05:21,984 ♪ 91 00:05:22,086 --> 00:05:24,588 after agreeing to moses's terms, 92 00:05:24,690 --> 00:05:28,459 the pharaoh changed his mind and gave chase. 93 00:05:28,561 --> 00:05:31,626 With the hebrews trapped on the edge of the red sea, 94 00:05:31,765 --> 00:05:34,797 moses used his staff to part the waves, 95 00:05:34,899 --> 00:05:36,934 allowing the desperate group to escape. 96 00:05:39,836 --> 00:05:41,971 The egyptian army followed, 97 00:05:42,073 --> 00:05:45,009 but is engulfed by the violent waters. 98 00:05:45,111 --> 00:05:48,746 This allowed moses to lead his people to mount sinai, 99 00:05:48,848 --> 00:05:51,180 where god gave him the ten commandments 100 00:05:51,282 --> 00:05:53,950 and then took his people to the promised land. 101 00:05:57,856 --> 00:06:01,192 Young-somers: Moses is a flawed individual 102 00:06:01,294 --> 00:06:02,325 in the jewish tradition, 103 00:06:02,427 --> 00:06:04,863 but also the greatest leader that we've had. 104 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:07,229 And I think moses's 105 00:06:07,331 --> 00:06:10,767 flaws are -- are, for me, 106 00:06:10,869 --> 00:06:12,400 an important part of the narrative, 107 00:06:12,502 --> 00:06:14,004 because it teaches us that 108 00:06:14,106 --> 00:06:16,808 even as flawed people ourselves, 109 00:06:16,877 --> 00:06:18,542 we can still make a difference. 110 00:06:18,644 --> 00:06:20,675 We can still contribute, and that 111 00:06:20,777 --> 00:06:22,679 god can still be in a relationship with us, 112 00:06:22,781 --> 00:06:24,079 even though we make mistakes. 113 00:06:27,185 --> 00:06:30,854 Gough: By all accounts, moses was a virtuous man, 114 00:06:30,956 --> 00:06:32,721 a man of his principles. 115 00:06:32,823 --> 00:06:35,858 He was dedicated -- no matter how difficult 116 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,295 or arduous the task that he was given, 117 00:06:39,397 --> 00:06:42,033 he did it, so he's become this sort of 118 00:06:42,135 --> 00:06:46,804 inspirational figure who wanted to do things his way 119 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:50,641 no matter what the established norm was at that time. 120 00:06:53,713 --> 00:06:56,145 Narrator: For such a central religious figure, 121 00:06:56,247 --> 00:07:00,549 the lack of evidence around him is, well, outstanding. 122 00:07:00,651 --> 00:07:03,253 There are no archaeological findings to support 123 00:07:03,355 --> 00:07:04,587 the biblical story 124 00:07:04,689 --> 00:07:07,457 and certainly no extra biblical references 125 00:07:07,559 --> 00:07:09,924 in egyptian inscriptions. 126 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:13,695 The absence of proof is a huge problem for historians, 127 00:07:13,797 --> 00:07:16,099 archaeologists, and academics. 128 00:07:20,072 --> 00:07:23,040 There is strangely no evidence that moses 129 00:07:23,142 --> 00:07:25,307 was a historical figure, and I say strangely, 130 00:07:25,409 --> 00:07:27,978 because the egyptians were so good at keeping records, 131 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,315 and to not have a record there is interesting. 132 00:07:31,417 --> 00:07:34,249 We even have records of people who -- whose records were 133 00:07:34,351 --> 00:07:35,753 effaced, like hatshepsut 134 00:07:35,855 --> 00:07:38,186 when she was stricken from records by her son 135 00:07:38,288 --> 00:07:39,757 after he came to power. 136 00:07:39,859 --> 00:07:42,257 We know that that happened, but we have nothing on moses. 137 00:07:44,896 --> 00:07:50,032 Like many, many great, epic tales, 138 00:07:50,134 --> 00:07:51,936 there might be 139 00:07:52,038 --> 00:07:54,102 just a kernel of truth 140 00:07:54,204 --> 00:07:57,373 upon whom the character of moses is based, 141 00:07:57,475 --> 00:07:59,677 and I'm not prepared 142 00:07:59,779 --> 00:08:02,711 to dismiss him out of hand. 143 00:08:02,813 --> 00:08:06,081 Although, when you study traditions, 144 00:08:06,183 --> 00:08:07,719 you understand that... 145 00:08:08,787 --> 00:08:12,090 History has a chance of being 146 00:08:12,192 --> 00:08:15,090 morphed into something larger than life. 147 00:08:17,862 --> 00:08:22,398 Gough: Now those who believe it is a authentic story 148 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,635 that the israelites were held captive in egypt 149 00:08:25,737 --> 00:08:30,873 and left in the exodus point us to different locations 150 00:08:30,975 --> 00:08:33,577 and different periods in time, 151 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,481 which is why we don't find the evidence we think we should. 152 00:08:39,149 --> 00:08:42,951 Narrator: So where can we find evidence for the real moses? 153 00:08:43,053 --> 00:08:44,989 And what controversial theories are 154 00:08:45,091 --> 00:08:48,360 given to explain his supernatural powers? 155 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:59,470 ♪ 156 00:08:59,572 --> 00:09:01,503 narrator: Did the legendary biblical figure 157 00:09:01,605 --> 00:09:03,874 of moses really exist? 158 00:09:03,976 --> 00:09:07,211 Archaeological evidence has yet to unearth any proof of 159 00:09:07,313 --> 00:09:08,744 his life, or even that 160 00:09:08,846 --> 00:09:11,882 of his followers in egypt or in the deserts of 161 00:09:11,984 --> 00:09:14,015 the sinai peninsula. 162 00:09:14,117 --> 00:09:16,653 Yet there are tantalizing clues in the story of 163 00:09:16,755 --> 00:09:20,057 something that may be more than mere folk tale. 164 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:23,927 For a start, there is the name moses itself. 165 00:09:28,033 --> 00:09:32,636 Bianchi: The name moses can etymologically be related 166 00:09:32,738 --> 00:09:34,336 to the egyptian, 167 00:09:34,438 --> 00:09:38,073 the ancient egyptian verb, meaning "to be born." 168 00:09:38,175 --> 00:09:43,448 and so, in a sense, if you want to take an egyptian slant, 169 00:09:43,550 --> 00:09:46,715 moses has an egyptian name, because, quote, 170 00:09:46,817 --> 00:09:48,985 "he was born out of the water." 171 00:09:54,025 --> 00:09:56,627 mcmahon: The old testament tells us that moses was 172 00:09:56,729 --> 00:09:59,931 a fourth generation egyptian, I mean, this is 173 00:10:00,033 --> 00:10:03,131 essentially a citizen of ancient egypt, 174 00:10:03,233 --> 00:10:06,135 as were most of the jewish people that he led out 175 00:10:06,237 --> 00:10:07,235 of bondage. 176 00:10:07,337 --> 00:10:10,739 So if we'd met moses, we'd have met essentially 177 00:10:10,841 --> 00:10:14,076 an ancient egyptian by appearance, 178 00:10:14,178 --> 00:10:16,747 possibly even by language, by culture. 179 00:10:19,549 --> 00:10:22,585 Narrator: Although he led the hebrews out of slavery, 180 00:10:22,687 --> 00:10:24,989 moses's egyptian link might 181 00:10:25,091 --> 00:10:27,189 be stronger than the bible reveals. 182 00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:31,160 Interestingly, his story has a strange echo 183 00:10:31,262 --> 00:10:34,264 of the life of egyptian pharaoh akhenaten, 184 00:10:34,366 --> 00:10:36,834 the first monotheist known to history. 185 00:10:38,003 --> 00:10:41,772 Author and egyptologist ahmed osman has written 186 00:10:41,874 --> 00:10:45,343 several books outlining his belief that moses was 187 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:46,743 akhenaten. 188 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:23,513 Akhenaten reigned from 1352 to 1338 bc 189 00:11:23,615 --> 00:11:26,850 and proclaimed that there was only one true god, 190 00:11:26,952 --> 00:11:29,150 aten, the sun disc. 191 00:11:29,252 --> 00:11:31,421 All others were false. 192 00:11:31,556 --> 00:11:35,558 But when akhenaten died, the old religious system revived 193 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:37,192 and then obliterated 194 00:11:37,294 --> 00:11:40,829 akhenaten's memory and that of his son and heir, 195 00:11:40,931 --> 00:11:42,067 tutankhamun. 196 00:11:43,969 --> 00:11:47,371 Mcmahon: You could rightly call akhenaten the heretic pharaoh, 197 00:11:47,473 --> 00:11:51,375 because he rejects the official religion, 198 00:11:51,477 --> 00:11:53,875 the state religion of ancient egypt, 199 00:11:53,977 --> 00:11:56,345 I mean, which was hugely important to people. 200 00:11:56,447 --> 00:11:58,416 I mean, they governed their lives 201 00:11:58,518 --> 00:12:00,516 by what they thought the gods wanted. 202 00:12:00,618 --> 00:12:03,354 Akhenaten comes along. He throws all that out. 203 00:12:03,456 --> 00:12:07,224 He goes to war against thebes and the temples of luxor 204 00:12:07,326 --> 00:12:08,291 and memphis, 205 00:12:08,393 --> 00:12:10,762 against all the priests, he sends in his soldiers 206 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:14,966 to smash up statues, to hack faces off the temples. 207 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,099 I mean, this is an extraordinary, 208 00:12:17,201 --> 00:12:20,037 short-lived period in egyptian history. 209 00:12:22,172 --> 00:12:24,474 Narrator: But can this mysterious pharaoh really 210 00:12:24,576 --> 00:12:26,107 be the historical moses? 211 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:29,045 Was akhenaten's religion 212 00:12:29,147 --> 00:12:31,516 the forerunner to the abrahamic faiths? 213 00:12:33,718 --> 00:12:37,520 It's possible that moses was inspired by akhenaten in -- 214 00:12:37,622 --> 00:12:40,090 in some ways and ran with it and changed it, 215 00:12:40,192 --> 00:12:42,290 turned it on its head. 216 00:12:42,392 --> 00:12:44,995 But we really don't know, 217 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:48,132 and I think the monotheistic thing is overplayed. 218 00:12:48,234 --> 00:12:49,965 The similarities are overplayed. 219 00:12:51,971 --> 00:12:57,140 Bianchi: The israelites are not monotheists 220 00:12:57,242 --> 00:13:00,878 until after they leave israel 221 00:13:00,980 --> 00:13:05,215 and form a national covenant. 222 00:13:05,317 --> 00:13:07,348 So here, you know, you're putting the horse 223 00:13:07,450 --> 00:13:09,586 in front of the wagon or behind the wagon, 224 00:13:09,688 --> 00:13:12,857 okay, he's not a monotheist until they get to 225 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:13,957 the promised land, 226 00:13:14,059 --> 00:13:15,890 and they don't get to the promised land 227 00:13:15,992 --> 00:13:18,427 until after moses is dead. 228 00:13:18,529 --> 00:13:21,731 So trying to connect those dots just ignores 229 00:13:21,833 --> 00:13:23,931 all of the evidence as we know it. 230 00:13:26,904 --> 00:13:29,840 Narrator: Even if akhenaten is not the real moses, 231 00:13:29,942 --> 00:13:32,744 some experts believe there is still a link. 232 00:13:34,579 --> 00:13:36,477 By researching the bible and writings 233 00:13:36,579 --> 00:13:39,381 of the ancient jewish historian josephus, 234 00:13:39,483 --> 00:13:43,352 author and historian graham phillips agrees that akhenaten 235 00:13:43,454 --> 00:13:45,056 is not moses, 236 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,423 but his brother, thutmosis. 237 00:13:49,595 --> 00:13:54,097 Phillips: Thutmosis was a prince in the court. 238 00:13:54,199 --> 00:13:57,202 Thutmosis was also a leading general. 239 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:58,802 He was, in fact, in charge of 240 00:13:58,904 --> 00:14:02,539 all the king's chariot forces, and thutmosis 241 00:14:02,641 --> 00:14:06,876 also acted for a while as the grand vizier, 242 00:14:06,978 --> 00:14:10,147 the prime minister, the chief minister of egypt. 243 00:14:12,482 --> 00:14:14,885 All of those things 244 00:14:14,987 --> 00:14:18,755 we are told by josephus and also 245 00:14:18,857 --> 00:14:23,759 partly in the bible, applied to moses -- moses, 246 00:14:23,861 --> 00:14:25,326 we are told, 247 00:14:25,428 --> 00:14:30,601 was exiled from egypt, and exactly the same thing 248 00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:32,834 happens to thutmosis. 249 00:14:32,936 --> 00:14:34,472 He was exiled from egypt. 250 00:14:34,574 --> 00:14:36,905 We know this, because archaeologists have discovered 251 00:14:37,007 --> 00:14:39,442 a tomb prepared for him, 252 00:14:39,544 --> 00:14:40,776 but it was never used. 253 00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:44,913 And the only conclusion that people have come to, because 254 00:14:45,015 --> 00:14:46,451 they can find no records of him 255 00:14:46,553 --> 00:14:52,088 dying in office, is that he was exiled. 256 00:14:52,223 --> 00:14:53,288 Once again, 257 00:14:53,423 --> 00:14:57,925 moses and thutmosis are living almost identical lives 258 00:14:58,027 --> 00:15:00,530 at exactly the same time. 259 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:04,734 Narrator: Whether or not moses was, in fact, a well-documented 260 00:15:04,836 --> 00:15:06,167 egyptian leader, 261 00:15:06,269 --> 00:15:09,571 his story goes on to tell of fantastic miracles. 262 00:15:12,377 --> 00:15:16,079 Could the story of the burning bush really have happened? 263 00:15:16,181 --> 00:15:19,717 And could mind-altering substances have generated 264 00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:21,317 moses's visions? 265 00:15:29,326 --> 00:15:30,862 Narrator: The historical existence of 266 00:15:30,964 --> 00:15:34,528 the biblical prophet moses might be debatable, 267 00:15:34,630 --> 00:15:38,266 but as the traditional story goes, after he was exiled 268 00:15:38,368 --> 00:15:40,903 in the desert wilderness for decades, 269 00:15:41,005 --> 00:15:43,607 a miraculous encounter changed his life. 270 00:15:45,609 --> 00:15:47,878 The story goes that on mount horeb, 271 00:15:47,980 --> 00:15:53,382 moses saw a burning bush, which was, in fact, god 272 00:15:53,484 --> 00:15:55,853 speaking to him, telling him, 273 00:15:55,955 --> 00:16:00,390 instructing him to take the israelites out of egypt 274 00:16:00,492 --> 00:16:01,924 to the promised land. 275 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:04,994 Mcmahon: The burning bush is -- is what 276 00:16:05,096 --> 00:16:07,798 movie makers call an inciting incident. 277 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:09,565 It's that plot point. 278 00:16:09,667 --> 00:16:12,736 It's that moment in the story of moses 279 00:16:12,838 --> 00:16:15,036 when he's got to go on his quest. 280 00:16:15,138 --> 00:16:17,707 The burning bush is what makes it all happen. 281 00:16:22,546 --> 00:16:25,615 Narrator: This fantastic vision was traditionally seen as 282 00:16:25,717 --> 00:16:26,848 a miracle, 283 00:16:26,950 --> 00:16:30,452 but some believe there is a radical alternative theory. 284 00:16:31,654 --> 00:16:33,256 Doblin: I think moses could very well have been 285 00:16:33,358 --> 00:16:35,556 using psychedelics -- we don't know for sure, 286 00:16:35,658 --> 00:16:37,494 but I think it's entirely possible. 287 00:16:39,796 --> 00:16:41,464 Narrator: Rick doblin is the founder 288 00:16:41,566 --> 00:16:44,802 of the association for psychedelic studies. 289 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:46,735 He believes moses could have used 290 00:16:46,837 --> 00:16:50,006 mind-altering drugs to generate his visions. 291 00:16:53,712 --> 00:16:57,214 Doblin: So the burning bush, to me, represents a not uncommon 292 00:16:57,316 --> 00:16:58,648 experience that people have 293 00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:00,281 under the influence of psychedelics, 294 00:17:00,383 --> 00:17:04,552 where they look at nature, and they realize that it's alive. 295 00:17:04,654 --> 00:17:06,289 It's got energy in it. 296 00:17:06,391 --> 00:17:08,889 And so the course of energy through 297 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:12,526 this plant could be interpreted as fire. 298 00:17:14,999 --> 00:17:19,135 And so my interpretation of that event was that it was more 299 00:17:19,237 --> 00:17:20,568 that, uh, you know, 300 00:17:20,670 --> 00:17:23,205 moses saw the inner fire, and that if we could see 301 00:17:23,307 --> 00:17:26,576 the energy, we might interpret it as fire. 302 00:17:28,345 --> 00:17:32,247 Narrator: In fact, nature might provide another explanation. 303 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:38,355 In the area where this is said to have occurred, 304 00:17:38,457 --> 00:17:40,588 there grows acacia wood. 305 00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:44,426 And if you burn acacia wood or an acacia tree burns 306 00:17:44,528 --> 00:17:46,497 and you're close enough to inhale the smoke, 307 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:48,730 you will hallucinate. 308 00:17:49,865 --> 00:17:52,967 Narrator: This is because acacia bark 309 00:17:53,069 --> 00:17:56,038 contains a substance called dmt, 310 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:58,442 or dimethyltryptamine, which is 311 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:00,309 a powerful hallucinogenic. 312 00:18:02,482 --> 00:18:05,013 Mcmahon: It's even suggested that moses was a kind of 313 00:18:05,115 --> 00:18:06,417 shaman-type figure 314 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,417 who may have known this and set the bush alight in 315 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:12,321 order to have that kind of experience, 316 00:18:12,457 --> 00:18:14,592 that communing with the spiritual 317 00:18:14,694 --> 00:18:17,059 that only basically a narcotic-driven high 318 00:18:17,161 --> 00:18:18,092 could've given him. 319 00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:22,229 Narrator: But is this really an outlandish theory? 320 00:18:22,331 --> 00:18:25,733 Artificial methods to achieve spiritual enlightenment 321 00:18:25,835 --> 00:18:27,238 have been used by cultures 322 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:30,204 all across the world for thousands of years. 323 00:18:32,577 --> 00:18:34,908 Doblin: I think they're -- psychedelics were seen 324 00:18:35,047 --> 00:18:36,879 as powerful tools to 325 00:18:36,981 --> 00:18:38,346 help us get out of our, sort of, 326 00:18:38,448 --> 00:18:41,483 ego identification, our sense of self, 327 00:18:41,585 --> 00:18:44,621 and that there has been a reason for people to do 328 00:18:44,723 --> 00:18:46,687 various things in terms of 329 00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:50,791 drumming or fasting, vision quests, 330 00:18:50,893 --> 00:18:55,500 and so I would imagine that psychedelics could be 331 00:18:55,602 --> 00:18:58,266 something that was appreciated by moses 332 00:18:58,368 --> 00:19:00,304 and people around that time. 333 00:19:03,472 --> 00:19:05,874 Picknett: That could have been a completely pivotal moment 334 00:19:05,976 --> 00:19:07,641 in several great religions, 335 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:10,912 and it might all have been due to burning bark. 336 00:19:12,518 --> 00:19:15,716 Bianchi: So there's nothing in the biblical account 337 00:19:15,818 --> 00:19:19,020 to suggest that he's eating or... 338 00:19:19,122 --> 00:19:21,957 Inhaling or... Uh... 339 00:19:22,059 --> 00:19:23,424 Hallucinogens, 340 00:19:23,526 --> 00:19:26,095 so I -- I take 341 00:19:26,197 --> 00:19:27,595 scripture literally. 342 00:19:27,697 --> 00:19:29,132 He's watching a slot. 343 00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:30,166 He sees something. 344 00:19:30,268 --> 00:19:31,599 He goes over to investigate 345 00:19:31,701 --> 00:19:34,970 and gets the conversation with the almighty. 346 00:19:36,942 --> 00:19:39,907 Narrator: Aside from talking to god in the burning bush, 347 00:19:40,009 --> 00:19:41,345 there are still other miracles 348 00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:44,178 moses is said to have performed, such as parting 349 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,915 the red sea. 350 00:19:46,017 --> 00:19:47,482 It is not surprising that such 351 00:19:47,584 --> 00:19:51,453 an unbelievable tale raises debate among scholars. 352 00:19:54,625 --> 00:19:58,428 The miraculous crossing of the red sea has to be 353 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:01,098 the most -- one of the most stunning, incredible events 354 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,032 in the old testament. 355 00:20:03,134 --> 00:20:06,636 It's the fact that moses is able to lead 356 00:20:06,738 --> 00:20:08,702 the jewish people, the israelites, 357 00:20:08,804 --> 00:20:11,907 out of egypt through what seems like an impossible 358 00:20:12,009 --> 00:20:13,107 stretch of water. 359 00:20:13,209 --> 00:20:16,677 And then, as the egyptians come chasing after them, 360 00:20:16,779 --> 00:20:20,581 god closes the sea in on pharaoh and his hundreds of 361 00:20:20,683 --> 00:20:22,219 chariots, drowning them all. 362 00:20:25,021 --> 00:20:27,690 Narrator: But could this really have happened in the red sea 363 00:20:27,792 --> 00:20:28,756 we know today? 364 00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:31,627 The very name of the body of water 365 00:20:31,729 --> 00:20:35,231 moses crossed may have been mistakenly identified 366 00:20:35,333 --> 00:20:36,331 for centuries. 367 00:20:38,637 --> 00:20:42,106 I'm not entirely sure where the mistranslation of "red sea" 368 00:20:42,208 --> 00:20:44,039 comes from -- it's in hebrew, yam suph, 369 00:20:44,141 --> 00:20:45,306 which is reed sea. 370 00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:50,043 It may have bean that someone wrote "reed sea," 371 00:20:50,183 --> 00:20:52,581 and then it was missed out, 372 00:20:52,683 --> 00:20:54,518 the e got dropped, and actually, in hebrew, 373 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:55,752 that happens quite frequently 374 00:20:55,854 --> 00:20:59,089 that manuscripts would have been repeatedly written down 375 00:20:59,191 --> 00:21:01,856 by hand, and little errors will creep in. 376 00:21:03,028 --> 00:21:05,726 I think red sea will be pretty hard to get rid of now. 377 00:21:05,828 --> 00:21:09,130 It's pretty much embedded in how we tell the story. 378 00:21:09,232 --> 00:21:12,135 Narrator: Regardless of whether moses crossed the red sea 379 00:21:12,237 --> 00:21:14,568 or the reed sea, 380 00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:18,072 can science proved he was capable of parting the waves? 381 00:21:27,317 --> 00:21:30,219 Narrator: The bible tells us that moses led his followers 382 00:21:30,321 --> 00:21:33,623 to safety by parting the waters of the red sea. 383 00:21:34,758 --> 00:21:37,760 But could the fantastical event really have happened in 384 00:21:37,862 --> 00:21:41,965 the red sea we know today or another nearby body of water? 385 00:21:43,567 --> 00:21:45,902 Simon boxall is an oceanographer 386 00:21:46,004 --> 00:21:49,073 from southampton university in England. 387 00:21:49,175 --> 00:21:52,173 He evaluates the modern scientific ideas 388 00:21:52,275 --> 00:21:54,577 that explain this mysterious sea crossing. 389 00:21:54,679 --> 00:22:01,785 ♪ 390 00:22:01,887 --> 00:22:05,152 boxall: There are many theories that go with this story. 391 00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:07,489 One is that around 392 00:22:07,591 --> 00:22:11,693 about the same time, we know that there was a huge explosion, 393 00:22:11,795 --> 00:22:15,564 volcanic explosion, eruption, on santorini, 394 00:22:15,666 --> 00:22:18,901 and that basically caused a huge tsunami. 395 00:22:19,003 --> 00:22:21,468 And one theory is that it was a tsunami that 396 00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:24,439 came at just the right time to allow them to cross. 397 00:22:24,541 --> 00:22:28,343 Now the theory there is flawed, it's flawed for two reasons. 398 00:22:28,445 --> 00:22:31,314 One is, if you look at models of the tsunami that would have 399 00:22:31,416 --> 00:22:33,714 occurred, then the island chain, 400 00:22:33,816 --> 00:22:36,751 crete, to the south off santorini, would have protected 401 00:22:36,853 --> 00:22:39,255 the egyptian coast, and the biggest tsunami that 402 00:22:39,357 --> 00:22:40,455 would've got there would have been about a meter, 403 00:22:40,557 --> 00:22:42,159 a meter and 1/2, 404 00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:44,859 and when a tsunami hits, 405 00:22:44,961 --> 00:22:48,263 the tide or the water can recede for a short while 406 00:22:48,365 --> 00:22:50,501 and then come back in again. 407 00:22:50,603 --> 00:22:53,201 That's great -- the problem with that is, 408 00:22:53,303 --> 00:22:55,405 that it only happens for about five minutes, 409 00:22:55,507 --> 00:22:58,172 and you're not going to get an entire army 410 00:22:58,274 --> 00:23:02,542 or population across that sort of causeway in that period. 411 00:23:04,015 --> 00:23:06,213 A second theory that's put down is that 412 00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:09,351 the bible talks about strong winds from the east. 413 00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:13,755 The idea that the wind literally blows the sea 414 00:23:13,857 --> 00:23:15,892 and creates a pileup somewhere, 415 00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:18,192 which means you then get a sort of gap somewhere else, 416 00:23:18,294 --> 00:23:20,029 is flawed -- it's flawed 417 00:23:20,131 --> 00:23:22,429 because the effect isn't that great. 418 00:23:22,531 --> 00:23:24,834 You're not going to suddenly clear a causeway 419 00:23:24,936 --> 00:23:26,134 as a result of that setdown. 420 00:23:29,806 --> 00:23:32,508 Narrator: Back in his lab, simon demonstrates how 421 00:23:32,610 --> 00:23:35,412 he believes the sea crossing really took place. 422 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,583 Boxall: I think the reason that the seas parted 423 00:23:42,685 --> 00:23:44,987 was because of a seiche effect. 424 00:23:45,089 --> 00:23:46,887 Now that sounds very technical, but actually it's 425 00:23:46,989 --> 00:23:49,658 something that happens around the world every single day, 426 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,058 and it's... 427 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,196 An event hitting the natural frequency of a basin. 428 00:23:55,298 --> 00:23:58,333 That also sounds complex, but we've done it as kids. 429 00:23:58,435 --> 00:23:59,666 If we lay back in the bath 430 00:23:59,768 --> 00:24:01,504 and rock backwards and forwards at just 431 00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:02,870 the right speed, 432 00:24:02,972 --> 00:24:04,441 then we suddenly take the water with us, 433 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:06,474 and we can actually effectively empty half a ton 434 00:24:06,576 --> 00:24:09,079 of water onto the floor very efficiently. 435 00:24:09,181 --> 00:24:10,712 You could do that from splashing, 436 00:24:10,814 --> 00:24:13,516 and that's because we're hitting the critical frequency, 437 00:24:13,618 --> 00:24:16,149 and we can see that in a very simple experiment here. 438 00:24:16,251 --> 00:24:19,387 We have a bottle of water, and that bottle of water, 439 00:24:19,489 --> 00:24:21,324 you can imagine that is your red sea, 440 00:24:21,426 --> 00:24:24,224 and actually, I can sort of create disturbances, 441 00:24:24,326 --> 00:24:26,262 and I can create waves -- it splashes around a bit. 442 00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:27,795 Yeah, storms happen. 443 00:24:27,897 --> 00:24:29,599 But actually, if I hit the right frequency, 444 00:24:29,701 --> 00:24:31,332 if I can just find the frequency in that bottle, 445 00:24:31,434 --> 00:24:34,936 and I move it very gently, side to side, then effectively, 446 00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:38,241 I'm like the child in the bath, emptying the bath out. 447 00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:41,878 And suddenly, you've gone from a tide out here, 448 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:44,778 which is maybe two or three feet, 449 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,482 to a tide in here, which could be 60 feet. 450 00:24:48,584 --> 00:24:50,253 Now that doesn't happen in the red sea, 451 00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:53,390 but we know the fact that the tide at the top of 452 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:55,824 the channel of the red sea, 453 00:24:55,926 --> 00:24:59,828 the suez channel, go from one or two feet outside, 454 00:24:59,930 --> 00:25:01,998 inside the channel, at the top of the channel, 455 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,065 they go almost 15 feet. 456 00:25:04,167 --> 00:25:07,836 That's a huge difference -- if you come from a culture that 457 00:25:07,938 --> 00:25:10,140 only sees tides on the mediterranean along 458 00:25:10,242 --> 00:25:11,773 the red sea coast of 459 00:25:11,875 --> 00:25:13,340 a few -- one or two feet, 460 00:25:13,442 --> 00:25:15,711 you're not prepared for these huge tides, 461 00:25:15,813 --> 00:25:18,415 which are over ten times as big. 462 00:25:19,517 --> 00:25:21,715 And that big four-meter tide 463 00:25:21,817 --> 00:25:24,252 was more than sufficient to wipe out an army. 464 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,390 Narrator: While nature may have allowed the hebrews 465 00:25:28,492 --> 00:25:29,990 to cross the sea, 466 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:32,360 simon thinks moses may possibly have 467 00:25:32,462 --> 00:25:34,164 had an important role to play. 468 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,669 Boxall: What moses might have done, if he's observant 469 00:25:41,771 --> 00:25:43,873 and canny, was observe 470 00:25:43,975 --> 00:25:46,743 that the tides existed, the tides were high, 471 00:25:46,845 --> 00:25:50,310 that actually he had a narrow window, but enough of a window, 472 00:25:50,412 --> 00:25:52,314 to lead his people to safety 473 00:25:52,416 --> 00:25:53,714 and to actually not only do that, 474 00:25:53,816 --> 00:25:57,518 but then inundate the pursuing army with 475 00:25:57,620 --> 00:25:59,656 an incoming tide. 476 00:25:59,758 --> 00:26:01,322 And so... 477 00:26:01,424 --> 00:26:03,393 Was moses a magician? 478 00:26:03,495 --> 00:26:05,193 No, but like many magicians, 479 00:26:05,295 --> 00:26:07,464 he was clever and applied science. 480 00:26:12,603 --> 00:26:14,901 Narrator: Yet some speculate that moses actually 481 00:26:15,003 --> 00:26:18,939 was a conjurer with supernatural powers. 482 00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:22,409 Witch, priestess, and magician, carrie kirkpatrick, 483 00:26:22,511 --> 00:26:25,014 believes moses's egyptian upbringing 484 00:26:25,116 --> 00:26:27,784 may have given him a grounding in magic. 485 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,288 Kirkpatrick: It's very likely that moses was 486 00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:36,259 a magician in egyptian noble circles. 487 00:26:36,361 --> 00:26:38,859 It was not a big deal to learn about magic. 488 00:26:38,961 --> 00:26:40,063 It was part of the culture. 489 00:26:40,165 --> 00:26:42,163 It would be part of the everyday education. 490 00:26:42,265 --> 00:26:45,934 So it's very likely that all of these miracles that we see 491 00:26:46,036 --> 00:26:47,567 that have been attributed to god 492 00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:51,471 were actually spells cast by moses himself, 493 00:26:51,573 --> 00:26:54,909 using the training that he had been given in egypt. 494 00:26:59,482 --> 00:27:02,450 Narrator: The suspicion that moses may have possessed magical 495 00:27:02,552 --> 00:27:06,821 or supernatural abilities was amplified with the discovery of 496 00:27:06,956 --> 00:27:11,092 the sixth and seventh books of moses, a collection of hidden 497 00:27:11,194 --> 00:27:14,863 texts allegedly written by the man himself. 498 00:27:19,169 --> 00:27:21,504 Mcmahon: The sixth and seventh books of moses are 499 00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:25,442 particularly mysterious, because they try and explain 500 00:27:25,544 --> 00:27:27,242 through magic 501 00:27:27,344 --> 00:27:30,579 how the miracles in the story of exodus happened. 502 00:27:32,814 --> 00:27:37,287 These books appear about 200 years ago in germany, and then 503 00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:41,225 immigrants take them to the united states, where, 504 00:27:41,327 --> 00:27:43,491 for whatever reason, they're adopted quite 505 00:27:43,593 --> 00:27:46,662 enthusiastically by the african-american communities, 506 00:27:46,764 --> 00:27:49,262 religious communities, and in the caribbean. 507 00:27:49,368 --> 00:27:52,766 And many of the spells, a lot of the magic in those books, 508 00:27:52,868 --> 00:27:56,770 are used, actually in practical cures back in those days 509 00:27:56,872 --> 00:27:58,474 to treat people. 510 00:28:00,576 --> 00:28:02,412 Kirkpatrick: We can't really know for sure 511 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:03,945 that moses wrote the sixth 512 00:28:04,047 --> 00:28:06,149 and the seventh books, however, 513 00:28:06,251 --> 00:28:08,949 you can see in the book of exodus that the use of magic 514 00:28:09,051 --> 00:28:10,453 was expressly forbidden. 515 00:28:10,555 --> 00:28:12,420 So you wouldn't say that if it 516 00:28:12,522 --> 00:28:14,624 wasn't a problem or regarded as a problem. 517 00:28:14,726 --> 00:28:15,957 It's a bit like prohibition. 518 00:28:16,059 --> 00:28:18,328 They wouldn't have brought it in if alcohol wasn't a problem. 519 00:28:21,097 --> 00:28:23,099 Narrator: Aside from the miracles of moses, 520 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:25,132 are there more concrete things 521 00:28:25,234 --> 00:28:27,236 that history can prove, 522 00:28:27,338 --> 00:28:30,707 such as the true location of mount sinai? 523 00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:34,174 And could archaeological evidence show that the spot 524 00:28:34,276 --> 00:28:36,578 venerated by pilgrims for centuries 525 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,515 isn't the legendary site after all? 526 00:28:50,829 --> 00:28:54,027 Narrator: Who was the real moses? 527 00:28:54,129 --> 00:28:56,198 Is there a historical figure behind 528 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,669 the religious legend and tales of fantastic miracles? 529 00:29:01,271 --> 00:29:02,536 While it is hard to unearth 530 00:29:02,638 --> 00:29:05,806 concrete evidence for his exploits and deeds, 531 00:29:05,908 --> 00:29:08,910 can we pinpoint the locations he's associated with? 532 00:29:10,012 --> 00:29:13,148 One of the most famous must be mount sinai. 533 00:29:18,121 --> 00:29:20,823 Mcmahon: Mount sinai has this huge significance, obviously, 534 00:29:20,925 --> 00:29:22,623 for jews, christians, 535 00:29:22,725 --> 00:29:27,764 muslims, because that's where moses gets the ten commandments. 536 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,968 That's where he meets god, and god gives him 537 00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:35,872 the laws that are gonna govern his people, 538 00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:38,539 the believers. Moses comes down, 539 00:29:38,641 --> 00:29:41,343 of course, finds the israelites worshipping a golden calf, 540 00:29:41,445 --> 00:29:43,277 smashes them angrily, has to go 541 00:29:43,379 --> 00:29:45,647 back up the mountain and get them all over again. 542 00:29:45,749 --> 00:29:49,885 But it's for that reason that this mountain is so sacred. 543 00:29:54,024 --> 00:29:55,855 Narrator: For hundreds of years, 544 00:29:55,957 --> 00:29:58,226 it has been accepted that jebel-musa 545 00:29:58,328 --> 00:30:01,597 in the sinai peninsula of egypt is the legendary 546 00:30:01,699 --> 00:30:02,630 mount sinai. 547 00:30:04,132 --> 00:30:06,101 But is this correct? 548 00:30:06,203 --> 00:30:08,805 Phillips: Interestingly, the bible doesn't tell us 549 00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:11,139 directly where mount sinai is. 550 00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:13,609 It is just somewhere in the sinai wilderness, 551 00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:17,513 which is a huge expanse east of the red sea. 552 00:30:19,349 --> 00:30:23,684 The emperor constantine decided it was a place 553 00:30:23,786 --> 00:30:26,022 now called jebel-musa, 554 00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:31,059 meaning the mount of moses, which is in eastern egypt 555 00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:33,630 within the sinai wilderness. 556 00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:37,334 And he came up with that idea, because his mother had had 557 00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:40,567 a dream that that's where it was, and a monastery was 558 00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:43,305 founded there, but there's no historical 559 00:30:43,407 --> 00:30:45,742 or archaeological evidence to support it. 560 00:30:50,115 --> 00:30:52,413 Narrator: Since the mid-19th century, 561 00:30:52,515 --> 00:30:54,150 debate has raged between 562 00:30:54,252 --> 00:30:57,688 scholars on where this holy site actually is, 563 00:30:57,823 --> 00:31:00,254 with over ten possible locations given. 564 00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:02,958 After excavations by 565 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:06,262 the english archaeologist sir flinders petrie 566 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,329 in the 1900s, 567 00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:10,367 serabit el-khadim 568 00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:12,667 has emerged as a likely candidate. 569 00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:20,441 Serabit el-khadim is the 600-pound gorilla in 570 00:31:20,543 --> 00:31:23,679 the story of moses that no one is really talking about. 571 00:31:26,181 --> 00:31:27,316 I've been there. 572 00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:31,087 It's an incredible place, excavated by petrie, who found 573 00:31:31,189 --> 00:31:34,624 lots of temples of hathor, 574 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:39,095 the bull god that moses is known to have banned, 575 00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:44,099 but also, writing in semitic language, 576 00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:47,237 which you'd still see on the temple walls, 577 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,337 proto-semitic, 578 00:31:49,439 --> 00:31:54,241 a language that is associated with the people of israel. 579 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:58,812 Narrator: Excavations at serabit el-khadim 580 00:31:58,914 --> 00:32:01,916 also revealed possible animal sacrifices 581 00:32:02,018 --> 00:32:03,553 and ritual washing, 582 00:32:03,655 --> 00:32:06,853 religious practices not commonly associated with 583 00:32:06,955 --> 00:32:10,824 egyptian worship but hebrew ceremonies. 584 00:32:10,926 --> 00:32:12,728 In addition, there is evidence for 585 00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:16,032 the mining of materials important to the jewish people. 586 00:32:17,267 --> 00:32:20,369 Gough: There's evidence of jewish worship 587 00:32:20,471 --> 00:32:23,169 at a place where there shouldn't be. 588 00:32:23,271 --> 00:32:26,140 There's evidence of the creation of 589 00:32:26,242 --> 00:32:28,944 the jewish alphabet here. 590 00:32:29,046 --> 00:32:34,748 And thirdly, there's evidence of artisans, of mining of 591 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:36,052 turquoise and copper, 592 00:32:36,154 --> 00:32:40,290 the kinds of people who could have constructed 593 00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:43,223 the ten commandments and tablets. 594 00:32:45,429 --> 00:32:47,327 And if that's not enough, 595 00:32:47,429 --> 00:32:51,665 there's also tablets shaped like the image we're told 596 00:32:51,767 --> 00:32:54,369 the ten commandments were written in. 597 00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:01,877 All the scholars argue that moses would have stopped there 598 00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:05,648 on his path of the exodus to the promised land, 599 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:09,852 but what very few want to acknowledge is that 600 00:33:09,954 --> 00:33:13,756 this could very well have been the true mount sinai. 601 00:33:13,858 --> 00:33:19,760 ♪ 602 00:33:19,862 --> 00:33:22,197 narrator: But author and historian graham phillips 603 00:33:22,299 --> 00:33:24,564 has another radical idea. 604 00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:27,568 He believes the historical mount sinai is 605 00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:31,672 actually found 150 miles away in jordan, 606 00:33:31,774 --> 00:33:33,976 near the ancient city of petra. 607 00:33:38,649 --> 00:33:42,085 Phillips: When I got there, I found so many things 608 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:45,451 that tied up with the description of mount sinai 609 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:48,155 in the bible that I was literally, 610 00:33:48,257 --> 00:33:51,159 I don't know, flabbergasted, knocked off my feet, 611 00:33:51,261 --> 00:33:54,930 to how many similarities there where between this place 612 00:33:55,032 --> 00:33:56,430 and the biblical description 613 00:33:56,532 --> 00:33:59,801 that seem to have been completely overlooked 614 00:33:59,903 --> 00:34:01,938 by previous historians. 615 00:34:04,007 --> 00:34:07,143 Gough: The theory that graham phillips has put forward, 616 00:34:07,245 --> 00:34:12,813 that mount sinai is actually in petra, is very viable, 617 00:34:12,915 --> 00:34:18,151 and that's because the whole valley around petra is within 618 00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:23,859 the right distance of where the exodus started from in egypt. 619 00:34:25,461 --> 00:34:29,263 His brother, aaron, is buried there, 620 00:34:29,365 --> 00:34:31,900 and on top of the mountain 621 00:34:32,002 --> 00:34:35,138 that graham suggests is mount sinai, 622 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:38,538 there's actually architecture, there's temples, 623 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,479 there's pillars, just like are stated in the bible. 624 00:34:44,815 --> 00:34:48,183 Mcmahon: Clues there include the fact that the valley 625 00:34:48,285 --> 00:34:51,288 in which petra is based is called the wadi musa, 626 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,292 the valley of moses, and there is a rock, the ain musa, 627 00:34:55,394 --> 00:34:57,725 the rock of moses, where the water is said 628 00:34:57,827 --> 00:34:59,562 to have spouted out, and it would 629 00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:02,162 make a lot more sense for petra to be 630 00:35:02,264 --> 00:35:05,666 the location as a major trade and commercial hub back in 631 00:35:05,768 --> 00:35:07,333 those days than somewhere, 632 00:35:07,473 --> 00:35:10,337 some dusty hole, at the bottom of the sinai peninsula. 633 00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:14,008 Narrator: Yet moses's most important 634 00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:16,612 legacy is giving the ten commandments 635 00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,579 to the jewish people. 636 00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:20,816 While the inscribed tablets most likely 637 00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:23,649 have not survived to modern times, 638 00:35:23,751 --> 00:35:26,354 could their origins be less miraculous 639 00:35:26,456 --> 00:35:28,258 than the famous story tells us? 640 00:35:37,299 --> 00:35:38,935 Narrator: For thousands of years, 641 00:35:39,037 --> 00:35:41,068 the biblical figure of moses has 642 00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:44,005 been associated with amazing miracles, 643 00:35:44,107 --> 00:35:46,509 with some alleging he might actually have possessed 644 00:35:46,611 --> 00:35:47,809 magical powers. 645 00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:53,247 Whether miracle or magic, 646 00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:56,518 he had one indispensable possession -- 647 00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:57,651 his staff. 648 00:35:58,724 --> 00:36:00,588 Phillips: Again and again, 649 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,459 moses is associated with a miraculous staff. 650 00:36:07,032 --> 00:36:09,897 When he first encounters god at the burning bush, 651 00:36:09,999 --> 00:36:14,101 he has this staff with him, and god says that he would imbue 652 00:36:14,203 --> 00:36:16,938 this staff with miraculous powers. 653 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,109 Kirkpatrick: A magician always has a wand or a staff. 654 00:36:21,211 --> 00:36:22,309 It's like a conduit 655 00:36:22,411 --> 00:36:26,046 for focusing his will and controlling the energies 656 00:36:26,148 --> 00:36:27,213 and making things happen, 657 00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:30,250 effecting change -- it's a kind of directional tool. 658 00:36:30,352 --> 00:36:33,554 Even today, druids, magicians, will use 659 00:36:33,656 --> 00:36:35,958 a wand or a staff in their practice. 660 00:36:39,494 --> 00:36:42,296 Narrator: Intriguingly, graham phillips believes 661 00:36:42,398 --> 00:36:46,200 he knows where this mythical relic is kept today. 662 00:36:46,302 --> 00:36:50,537 His theory relies on moses's link to snakes. 663 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,908 It's said that moses's staff was once turned into a serpent, 664 00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:59,012 and an intriguing snake-themed monument has been discovered 665 00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:00,083 at petra. 666 00:37:03,152 --> 00:37:05,754 Phillips: In the mid-1800s, 667 00:37:05,856 --> 00:37:08,725 a cave near the snake monument was 668 00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:11,491 excavated by a couple of english archaeologists 669 00:37:11,593 --> 00:37:13,495 and they found a tomb there. 670 00:37:13,597 --> 00:37:16,833 There was no body any longer in it, but it didn't have a few 671 00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:18,333 items remaining, 672 00:37:18,435 --> 00:37:22,903 the most important of which was a staff with egyptian 673 00:37:23,005 --> 00:37:27,141 hieroglyphics on it, an egyptian staff 674 00:37:27,243 --> 00:37:29,878 at the city of petra 675 00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:31,945 in southern jordan. 676 00:37:35,718 --> 00:37:36,749 What was it doing there? 677 00:37:36,851 --> 00:37:40,787 Clearly, somebody from egypt had been buried 678 00:37:40,889 --> 00:37:43,524 in this tomb below the snake monument. 679 00:37:46,697 --> 00:37:50,165 Now, if my theory is all right, 680 00:37:50,267 --> 00:37:53,032 then the snake monument 681 00:37:53,134 --> 00:37:58,307 is erected in memory of moses, and this tomb could be 682 00:37:58,409 --> 00:38:01,274 the tomb of an historical moses. 683 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,782 Narrator: So could this discovery really be 684 00:38:06,884 --> 00:38:08,782 moses's legendary staff? 685 00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:12,086 For such a possibly important artifact for 686 00:38:12,188 --> 00:38:14,557 three of the world's main religions, 687 00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:18,027 its home today is in a quiet corner of England. 688 00:38:20,029 --> 00:38:24,198 The staff of moses, today, is here 689 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,569 at the birmingham museum in central England. 690 00:38:29,438 --> 00:38:33,073 Upon the staff there are hieroglyphics telling us 691 00:38:33,175 --> 00:38:37,444 that the staff had belonged to someone called thutmosis, 692 00:38:37,546 --> 00:38:40,248 who held a high position at 693 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:45,185 the egyptian court around about 1350 bc. 694 00:38:46,221 --> 00:38:49,389 Now the historical moses, 695 00:38:49,491 --> 00:38:52,294 according to my research, was 696 00:38:52,396 --> 00:38:57,398 a man called thutmosis, who held just such a position at exactly 697 00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,568 the time that moses is said to have been 698 00:39:00,670 --> 00:39:03,706 high in the egyptian court. 699 00:39:03,808 --> 00:39:08,577 As such, the staff of thutmosis could be one 700 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:12,547 and the same as the staff of the biblical moses. 701 00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:18,618 Narrator: It may be debatable whether the staff in 702 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,022 the birmingham museum is really that of 703 00:39:21,124 --> 00:39:22,822 the biblical moses, 704 00:39:22,924 --> 00:39:24,460 but the egyptian influence over 705 00:39:24,562 --> 00:39:26,293 this religious figure was strong. 706 00:39:29,799 --> 00:39:32,601 Controversially, the ten commandments are alleged 707 00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:36,172 to be plagiarized from an earlier egyptian tradition. 708 00:39:38,507 --> 00:39:41,843 Bianchi: The ten commandments are prohibitions that 709 00:39:41,945 --> 00:39:44,147 the faithful, the moral, the ethical 710 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:45,980 should not indulge in. 711 00:39:46,082 --> 00:39:49,917 Don't covet your neighbor's wife, don't commit adultery, 712 00:39:50,019 --> 00:39:52,355 don't murder an individual, etcetera. 713 00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:53,955 And the interesting thing about 714 00:39:54,057 --> 00:39:57,026 the ten commandments is they resonate 715 00:39:57,128 --> 00:39:58,926 with the so-called negative confession 716 00:39:59,028 --> 00:40:00,763 chapter 125 of the book of the dead 717 00:40:00,865 --> 00:40:01,996 of the ancient egyptians. 718 00:40:03,732 --> 00:40:06,967 Pinknett: This was a formula, lines, if you like, 719 00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:09,971 that they had to learn to say in the afterlife 720 00:40:10,073 --> 00:40:11,738 when they were in the halls of justice, 721 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,609 and their souls were being weighed in the balance, 722 00:40:13,711 --> 00:40:15,342 and they stood there, and they said, 723 00:40:15,444 --> 00:40:17,179 "I have not committed adultery. 724 00:40:17,281 --> 00:40:19,279 "I have not borne false witness. 725 00:40:19,381 --> 00:40:20,646 I have not killed." 726 00:40:20,786 --> 00:40:23,917 and it was supposed to get you off 727 00:40:24,019 --> 00:40:25,921 all the punishments of the afterlife. 728 00:40:27,323 --> 00:40:32,792 Gough: Did moses draw upon an earlier edict 729 00:40:32,894 --> 00:40:36,662 and say they were written by the finger of god? 730 00:40:40,669 --> 00:40:42,204 Narrator: Without concrete evidence, 731 00:40:42,306 --> 00:40:44,804 the historical and biblical moses 732 00:40:44,906 --> 00:40:47,575 will probably remain elusive forever. 733 00:40:48,777 --> 00:40:52,179 But these tantalizing clues might just give us 734 00:40:52,281 --> 00:40:53,983 a glimpse of the real man. 735 00:40:56,118 --> 00:40:58,520 Young-somers: In my view, moses may have been 736 00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:00,087 a real figure who lived, 737 00:41:00,189 --> 00:41:03,991 but I don't know, and I like the not knowing, and for me, 738 00:41:04,093 --> 00:41:06,562 actually, the importance isn't whether 739 00:41:06,664 --> 00:41:08,495 or not moses literally lived. 740 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:11,266 Gough: Moses appears to have been an archetype, 741 00:41:11,368 --> 00:41:14,337 but if he was an historical person, 742 00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:19,174 I know of no better historical inspiration than that of 743 00:41:19,276 --> 00:41:21,941 the heretic king who introduced monotheism, 744 00:41:22,043 --> 00:41:23,745 akhenaten. 745 00:41:27,884 --> 00:41:30,886 Even when the egyptians lose a battle, 746 00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:33,086 they portray themselves as the victors. 747 00:41:33,188 --> 00:41:36,091 So it's very, very hard for me to believe that a story 748 00:41:36,193 --> 00:41:37,457 that paints the egyptians 749 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,661 in such a horrible light could have 750 00:41:39,763 --> 00:41:42,095 possibly had an egyptian origin. 751 00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:45,399 Young-somers: I think it's inevitable that, 752 00:41:45,501 --> 00:41:47,736 as such an important figure, 753 00:41:47,838 --> 00:41:51,174 he's going to create interest and intrigue, 754 00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,707 and we're going to want to try to understand as much as we can, 755 00:41:54,809 --> 00:41:56,378 because there is so much that's interesting 756 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,911 and so much that's mysterious. 757 00:41:58,013 --> 00:42:03,186 ♪ 63131

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