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Narrator: According to
the bible, moses is one of
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the most important prophets
in history.
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But what do we know about
the actual man himself?
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Surprisingly very little.
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There seem to be no factual
accounts of moses
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and little evidence
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from archaeology or historical
records to prove
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the exodus story is true.
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Whether moses
is legend or fact,
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he is a towering figure
in all abrahamic religions.
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Narrator:
Academics, archaeologists,
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and historians debate
over when
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moses lived and if
he lived at all,
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whether the stories of
the ten commandments,
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the burning bush, and even
the parting of the red sea
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actually happened.
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Kirkpatrick: He performed
great acts of magic,
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which he claimed were
miracles...Or were they?
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Boxall: Is there a scientific
explanation behind this story?
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And the answer is, yes,
we can do it very simply.
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Phillips: If my historical
research is correct,
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then moses was the most
important person
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who ever lived.
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narrator: Moses is one of
the most important figures
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in the old testament,
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according to the bible,
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but who is
this mysterious character?
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Gough: Moses was a prophet
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according to christianity
and islam.
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The jury is still out on
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whether he is a real,
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historical figure
or mythological.
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Mcmahon: I mean, he may have
been a legendary figure.
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He may have been factual,
but he's the most important
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prophet in the old testament.
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You know, he writes the torah,
the laws of god.
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He leads the israelites out
of egypt,
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out of bondage
to the promised land.
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And he is, among all
the prophets, the most revered,
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the most important.
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[ singing in foreign language ]
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young-somers: Moses holds a very
important role in the three big
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monotheistic faiths,
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as the archetype leader
certainly forms the majority
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of the narrative through
the five books of moses,
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which are obviously cortex for
both jews and christians,
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whether that's in the old
testament or in the hebrew
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bible and torah, and then
he's also considered a very
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important prophet
in islam, too, so,
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I think, a core figure for
all the three abrahamic faiths.
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Narrator: The traditional story
is that moses was
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the son of a hebrew slave
in ancient egypt.
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At the time, the pharaoh
feared his growing
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hebrew population
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and ordered all of
their newborn boys to be slain.
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So to escape this fate,
moses's mother
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hid her son in a basket
and set it free on
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the river nile.
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Moses is found by no less
a person than
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pharaoh's daughter,
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who brings him to the royal
palace, where he's brought up.
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Now, not only is that dramatic
in terms of the context,
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but in terms of story-writing
and symbol, that's the most
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powerful you get,
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because it's
a transitional moment.
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It's liminal, he's moving from
one world into the next world
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through the water -- he's being
set up as a hero in the making.
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Narrator:
As moses enters adulthood,
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he embarks on a troubling path,
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torn between his egyptian
upbringing and his hebrew roots.
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Bianchi: Moses, as this
adopted egyptian,
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sees his people being
mistreated, and moses sees
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an egyptian overseer beat
a hebrew worker.
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And moses waits for
an opportune time,
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goes up to the egyptian,
and murders him.
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News of his murder
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is on everybody's lips,
and pharaoh starts
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to look for him.
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Narrator: Moses escaped
to the desert and led
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a simple life in exile
as a shepherd.
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One day, while tending his
flock, he encountered
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a burning bush
and the voice of god,
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telling him to return to
egypt, confront the pharaoh,
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free the hebrews, and take them
to the promised land.
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To support moses's mission,
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god summons ten plagues
to terrorize the pharaoh.
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after agreeing to moses's terms,
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the pharaoh changed his mind
and gave chase.
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With the hebrews trapped
on the edge of the red sea,
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moses used his staff
to part the waves,
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allowing the desperate group
to escape.
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The egyptian army followed,
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but is engulfed
by the violent waters.
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This allowed moses to lead
his people to mount sinai,
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where god gave him
the ten commandments
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and then took his people
to the promised land.
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Young-somers: Moses is
a flawed individual
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in the jewish tradition,
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but also the greatest leader
that we've had.
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And I think moses's
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flaws are --
are, for me,
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an important part of
the narrative,
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because it teaches us that
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even as flawed
people ourselves,
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we can still make
a difference.
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We can still contribute,
and that
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god can still be in
a relationship with us,
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even though we make mistakes.
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Gough: By all accounts,
moses was a virtuous man,
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a man of his principles.
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He was dedicated --
no matter how difficult
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or arduous the task
that he was given,
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he did it, so he's become
this sort of
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inspirational figure who
wanted to do things his way
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no matter what the established
norm was at that time.
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Narrator: For such a central
religious figure,
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the lack of evidence around
him is, well, outstanding.
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There are no archaeological
findings to support
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the biblical story
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and certainly no extra
biblical references
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in egyptian inscriptions.
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The absence of proof is a huge
problem for historians,
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archaeologists,
and academics.
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There is strangely
no evidence that moses
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was a historical figure,
and I say strangely,
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because the egyptians
were so good at keeping records,
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and to not have a record there
is interesting.
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We even have records of people
who -- whose records were
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effaced, like hatshepsut
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when she was stricken
from records by her son
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after he came to power.
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We know that that happened,
but we have nothing on moses.
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Like many, many great,
epic tales,
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there might be
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just a kernel of truth
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upon whom the character
of moses is based,
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and I'm not prepared
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to dismiss him out of hand.
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Although,
when you study traditions,
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you understand that...
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History has a chance of being
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morphed into something
larger than life.
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Gough: Now those who believe
it is a authentic story
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that the israelites
were held captive in egypt
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and left in the exodus
point us to different locations
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and different periods in time,
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which is why we don't find
the evidence we think we should.
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Narrator: So where can we find
evidence for the real moses?
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And what controversial
theories are
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given to explain
his supernatural powers?
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narrator: Did the legendary
biblical figure
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of moses really exist?
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Archaeological evidence has
yet to unearth any proof of
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his life, or even that
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of his followers
in egypt or in the deserts of
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the sinai peninsula.
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Yet there are tantalizing
clues in the story of
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something that may be more
than mere folk tale.
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For a start, there is
the name moses itself.
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Bianchi: The name moses can
etymologically be related
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to the egyptian,
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the ancient egyptian verb,
meaning "to be born."
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and so, in a sense, if you
want to take an egyptian slant,
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moses has an egyptian name,
because, quote,
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"he was born out of the water."
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mcmahon: The old testament
tells us that moses was
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a fourth generation egyptian,
I mean, this is
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essentially a citizen
of ancient egypt,
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as were most of the jewish
people that he led out
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of bondage.
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So if we'd met moses,
we'd have met essentially
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an ancient egyptian
by appearance,
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possibly even by language,
by culture.
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Narrator: Although he led
the hebrews out of slavery,
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moses's egyptian link might
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be stronger
than the bible reveals.
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Interestingly, his story
has a strange echo
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of the life of egyptian
pharaoh akhenaten,
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the first monotheist
known to history.
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Author and egyptologist
ahmed osman has written
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several books outlining
his belief that moses was
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akhenaten.
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Akhenaten reigned
from 1352 to 1338 bc
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and proclaimed that there
was only one true god,
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aten, the sun disc.
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All others were false.
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But when akhenaten died, the old
religious system revived
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and then obliterated
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akhenaten's memory
and that of his son and heir,
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tutankhamun.
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Mcmahon: You could rightly call
akhenaten the heretic pharaoh,
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because he rejects
the official religion,
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the state religion
of ancient egypt,
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I mean, which was hugely
important to people.
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I mean,
they governed their lives
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by what they thought
the gods wanted.
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Akhenaten comes along.
He throws all that out.
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He goes to war against thebes
and the temples of luxor
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and memphis,
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against all the priests,
he sends in his soldiers
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to smash up statues,
to hack faces off the temples.
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I mean, this is
an extraordinary,
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short-lived period
in egyptian history.
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Narrator: But can
this mysterious pharaoh really
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be the historical moses?
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Was akhenaten's religion
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the forerunner to
the abrahamic faiths?
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It's possible that moses was
inspired by akhenaten in --
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in some ways and ran with it
and changed it,
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turned it on its head.
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But we really don't know,
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and I think the monotheistic
thing is overplayed.
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The similarities
are overplayed.
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Bianchi: The israelites
are not monotheists
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until after
they leave israel
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and form
a national covenant.
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So here, you know,
you're putting the horse
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in front of the wagon
or behind the wagon,
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okay, he's not a monotheist
until they get to
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the promised land,
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and they don't get
to the promised land
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until after moses is dead.
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So trying to connect
those dots just ignores
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all of the evidence
as we know it.
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Narrator: Even if akhenaten
is not the real moses,
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some experts believe
there is still a link.
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By researching the bible
and writings
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of the ancient jewish
historian josephus,
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author and historian graham
phillips agrees that akhenaten
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is not moses,
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but his brother, thutmosis.
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Phillips: Thutmosis was
a prince in the court.
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Thutmosis was also
a leading general.
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He was, in fact,
in charge of
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all the king's chariot forces,
and thutmosis
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also acted for a while
as the grand vizier,
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the prime minister,
the chief minister of egypt.
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All of those things
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we are told by josephus
and also
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partly in the bible,
applied to moses -- moses,
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we are told,
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was exiled from egypt,
and exactly the same thing
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happens to thutmosis.
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He was exiled from egypt.
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We know this, because
archaeologists have discovered
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a tomb prepared for him,
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but it was never used.
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And the only conclusion that
people have come to, because
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they can find no records of him
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dying in office, is that
he was exiled.
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Once again,
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moses and thutmosis are living
almost identical lives
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at exactly the same time.
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Narrator: Whether or not moses
was, in fact, a well-documented
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egyptian leader,
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his story goes on
to tell of fantastic miracles.
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Could the story of the burning
bush really have happened?
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And could mind-altering
substances have generated
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moses's visions?
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Narrator:
The historical existence of
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the biblical prophet moses
might be debatable,
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but as the traditional story
goes, after he was exiled
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in the desert wilderness
for decades,
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a miraculous encounter
changed his life.
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The story goes
that on mount horeb,
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moses saw a burning bush,
which was, in fact, god
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speaking to him, telling him,
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instructing him to take
the israelites out of egypt
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to the promised land.
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Mcmahon: The burning bush is --
is what
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movie makers call
an inciting incident.
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It's that plot point.
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It's that moment
in the story of moses
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when he's got to go
on his quest.
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The burning bush is
what makes it all happen.
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Narrator: This fantastic vision
was traditionally seen as
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a miracle,
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but some believe there is
a radical alternative theory.
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Doblin: I think moses
could very well have been
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using psychedelics --
we don't know for sure,
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but I think it's
entirely possible.
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Narrator:
Rick doblin is the founder
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of the association for
psychedelic studies.
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He believes moses
could have used
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mind-altering drugs
to generate his visions.
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Doblin: So the burning bush,
to me, represents a not uncommon
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experience that people have
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under the influence
of psychedelics,
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where they look at nature, and
they realize that it's alive.
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It's got energy in it.
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And so the course of
energy through
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this plant could be
interpreted as fire.
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And so my interpretation of
that event was that it was more
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that, uh, you know,
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moses saw the inner fire,
and that if we could see
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the energy, we might
interpret it as fire.
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Narrator: In fact, nature might
provide another explanation.
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In the area where this is
said to have occurred,
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there grows acacia wood.
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And if you burn acacia wood
or an acacia tree burns
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and you're close enough
to inhale the smoke,
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you will hallucinate.
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Narrator:
This is because acacia bark
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contains a substance
called dmt,
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or dimethyltryptamine,
which is
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a powerful hallucinogenic.
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Mcmahon: It's even suggested
that moses was a kind of
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shaman-type figure
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who may have known this
and set the bush alight in
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order to have that kind
of experience,
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that communing
with the spiritual
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that only basically
a narcotic-driven high
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could've given him.
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Narrator: But is this really
an outlandish theory?
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Artificial methods to achieve
spiritual enlightenment
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have been used by cultures
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all across the world
for thousands of years.
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Doblin: I think they're --
psychedelics were seen
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as powerful tools to
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help us get out of
our, sort of,
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ego identification,
our sense of self,
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and that there has been
a reason for people to do
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various things in terms of
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drumming or fasting,
vision quests,
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and so I would imagine
that psychedelics could be
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something that was
appreciated by moses
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and people around
that time.
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Picknett: That could have been
a completely pivotal moment
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in several great religions,
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and it might all have been
due to burning bark.
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Bianchi: So there's nothing
in the biblical account
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to suggest
that he's eating or...
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Inhaling or...
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Hallucinogens,
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so I -- I take
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scripture literally.
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He's watching a slot.
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He sees something.
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He goes over to investigate
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and gets the conversation
with the almighty.
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Narrator: Aside from talking
to god in the burning bush,
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there are still
other miracles
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moses is said to have
performed, such as parting
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the red sea.
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It is not surprising that such
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an unbelievable tale
raises debate among scholars.
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The miraculous crossing
of the red sea has to be
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the most -- one of the most
stunning, incredible events
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in the old testament.
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It's the fact that moses
is able to lead
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the jewish people,
the israelites,
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out of egypt through what
seems like an impossible
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stretch of water.
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And then, as the egyptians
come chasing after them,
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god closes the sea in on
pharaoh and his hundreds of
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chariots, drowning them all.
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Narrator: But could this really
have happened in the red sea
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we know today?
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The very name of
the body of water
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moses crossed may have been
mistakenly identified
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for centuries.
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I'm not entirely sure where
the mistranslation of "red sea"
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comes from -- it's in hebrew,
yam suph,
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which is reed sea.
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It may have bean that someone
wrote "reed sea,"
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and then it was missed out,
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the e got dropped,
and actually, in hebrew,
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that happens quite frequently
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that manuscripts would have
been repeatedly written down
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by hand, and little errors
will creep in.
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I think red sea will be pretty
hard to get rid of now.
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It's pretty much embedded
in how we tell the story.
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Narrator: Regardless of whether
moses crossed the red sea
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or the reed sea,
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can science proved he was
capable of parting the waves?
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Narrator: The bible tells us
that moses led his followers
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to safety by parting
the waters of the red sea.
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But could the fantastical
event really have happened in
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the red sea we know today or
another nearby body of water?
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Simon boxall
is an oceanographer
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from southampton university
in England.
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He evaluates the modern
scientific ideas
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that explain this mysterious
sea crossing.
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boxall: There are many theories
that go with this story.
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One is that around
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about the same time, we know
that there was a huge explosion,
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volcanic explosion,
eruption, on santorini,
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and that basically caused
a huge tsunami.
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And one theory is that
it was a tsunami that
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came at just the right time
to allow them to cross.
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Now the theory there is flawed,
it's flawed for two reasons.
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One is, if you look at models
of the tsunami that would have
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occurred, then the island chain,
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crete, to the south off
santorini, would have protected
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the egyptian coast,
and the biggest tsunami that
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would've got there would have
been about a meter,
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a meter and 1/2,
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and when a tsunami hits,
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the tide or the water can
recede for a short while
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and then come back in again.
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That's great --
the problem with that is,
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that it only happens
for about five minutes,
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and you're not going
to get an entire army
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or population across that sort
of causeway in that period.
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A second theory
that's put down is that
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the bible talks about
strong winds from the east.
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The idea that the wind
literally blows the sea
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and creates
a pileup somewhere,
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which means you then get
a sort of gap somewhere else,
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is flawed --
it's flawed
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because the effect
isn't that great.
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You're not going to suddenly
clear a causeway
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as a result of that setdown.
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Narrator: Back in his lab,
simon demonstrates how
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he believes the sea crossing
really took place.
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Boxall: I think the reason
that the seas parted
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was because of a seiche effect.
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Now that sounds very technical,
but actually it's
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something that happens around
the world every single day,
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and it's...
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An event hitting the natural
frequency of a basin.
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That also sounds complex,
but we've done it as kids.
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If we lay back in the bath
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and rock backwards
and forwards at just
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the right speed,
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then we suddenly take
the water with us,
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and we can actually
effectively empty half a ton
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of water onto the floor
very efficiently.
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You could do that
from splashing,
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and that's because we're
hitting the critical frequency,
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and we can see that in
a very simple experiment here.
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We have a bottle of water,
and that bottle of water,
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you can imagine
that is your red sea,
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and actually, I can sort of
create disturbances,
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and I can create waves --
it splashes around a bit.
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Yeah, storms happen.
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But actually, if I hit
the right frequency,
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if I can just find
the frequency in that bottle,
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and I move it very gently,
side to side, then effectively,
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I'm like the child in
the bath, emptying the bath out.
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And suddenly, you've gone
from a tide out here,
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which is maybe
two or three feet,
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to a tide in here,
which could be 60 feet.
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Now that doesn't happen
in the red sea,
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but we know the fact that
the tide at the top of
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the channel of the red sea,
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the suez channel, go from
one or two feet outside,
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inside the channel,
at the top of the channel,
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they go almost 15 feet.
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That's a huge difference --
if you come from a culture that
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only sees tides on
the mediterranean along
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the red sea coast of
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a few -- one or two feet,
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you're not prepared for
these huge tides,
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which are over ten times
as big.
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And that big
four-meter tide
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was more than sufficient
to wipe out an army.
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Narrator: While nature
may have allowed the hebrews
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to cross the sea,
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simon thinks moses
may possibly have
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had an important role to play.
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Boxall: What moses might have
done, if he's observant
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and canny, was observe
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that the tides existed,
the tides were high,
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that actually he had a narrow
window, but enough of a window,
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to lead his people to safety
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and to actually
not only do that,
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but then inundate
the pursuing army with
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an incoming tide.
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And so...
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Was moses a magician?
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No, but like many magicians,
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he was clever
and applied science.
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Narrator: Yet some speculate
that moses actually
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was a conjurer with
supernatural powers.
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Witch, priestess, and magician,
carrie kirkpatrick,
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believes moses's
egyptian upbringing
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may have given him
a grounding in magic.
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Kirkpatrick: It's very likely
that moses was
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a magician in egyptian
noble circles.
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It was not a big deal
to learn about magic.
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It was part of the culture.
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It would be part of
the everyday education.
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So it's very likely that all
of these miracles that we see
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that have been attributed to god
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were actually spells
cast by moses himself,
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using the training that
he had been given in egypt.
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Narrator: The suspicion that
moses may have possessed magical
495
00:27:02,552 --> 00:27:06,821
or supernatural abilities was
amplified with the discovery of
496
00:27:06,956 --> 00:27:11,092
the sixth and seventh books of
moses, a collection of hidden
497
00:27:11,194 --> 00:27:14,863
texts allegedly written
by the man himself.
498
00:27:19,169 --> 00:27:21,504
Mcmahon: The sixth and seventh
books of moses are
499
00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:25,442
particularly mysterious,
because they try and explain
500
00:27:25,544 --> 00:27:27,242
through magic
501
00:27:27,344 --> 00:27:30,579
how the miracles in the story
of exodus happened.
502
00:27:32,814 --> 00:27:37,287
These books appear about 200
years ago in germany, and then
503
00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:41,225
immigrants take them
to the united states, where,
504
00:27:41,327 --> 00:27:43,491
for whatever reason,
they're adopted quite
505
00:27:43,593 --> 00:27:46,662
enthusiastically by the
african-american communities,
506
00:27:46,764 --> 00:27:49,262
religious communities,
and in the caribbean.
507
00:27:49,368 --> 00:27:52,766
And many of the spells, a lot
of the magic in those books,
508
00:27:52,868 --> 00:27:56,770
are used, actually in practical
cures back in those days
509
00:27:56,872 --> 00:27:58,474
to treat people.
510
00:28:00,576 --> 00:28:02,412
Kirkpatrick: We can't really
know for sure
511
00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:03,945
that moses wrote the sixth
512
00:28:04,047 --> 00:28:06,149
and the seventh books,
however,
513
00:28:06,251 --> 00:28:08,949
you can see in the book of
exodus that the use of magic
514
00:28:09,051 --> 00:28:10,453
was expressly forbidden.
515
00:28:10,555 --> 00:28:12,420
So you wouldn't say that if it
516
00:28:12,522 --> 00:28:14,624
wasn't a problem
or regarded as a problem.
517
00:28:14,726 --> 00:28:15,957
It's a bit like prohibition.
518
00:28:16,059 --> 00:28:18,328
They wouldn't have brought it
in if alcohol wasn't a problem.
519
00:28:21,097 --> 00:28:23,099
Narrator: Aside from
the miracles of moses,
520
00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:25,132
are there
more concrete things
521
00:28:25,234 --> 00:28:27,236
that history can prove,
522
00:28:27,338 --> 00:28:30,707
such as the true location of
mount sinai?
523
00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:34,174
And could archaeological
evidence show that the spot
524
00:28:34,276 --> 00:28:36,578
venerated by pilgrims
for centuries
525
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,515
isn't the legendary site
after all?
526
00:28:50,829 --> 00:28:54,027
Narrator:
Who was the real moses?
527
00:28:54,129 --> 00:28:56,198
Is there
a historical figure behind
528
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,669
the religious legend and tales
of fantastic miracles?
529
00:29:01,271 --> 00:29:02,536
While it is hard
to unearth
530
00:29:02,638 --> 00:29:05,806
concrete evidence
for his exploits and deeds,
531
00:29:05,908 --> 00:29:08,910
can we pinpoint the locations
he's associated with?
532
00:29:10,012 --> 00:29:13,148
One of the most famous
must be mount sinai.
533
00:29:18,121 --> 00:29:20,823
Mcmahon: Mount sinai has this
huge significance, obviously,
534
00:29:20,925 --> 00:29:22,623
for jews, christians,
535
00:29:22,725 --> 00:29:27,764
muslims, because that's where
moses gets the ten commandments.
536
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,968
That's where he meets god,
and god gives him
537
00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:35,872
the laws that are gonna
govern his people,
538
00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:38,539
the believers.
Moses comes down,
539
00:29:38,641 --> 00:29:41,343
of course, finds the israelites
worshipping a golden calf,
540
00:29:41,445 --> 00:29:43,277
smashes them angrily,
has to go
541
00:29:43,379 --> 00:29:45,647
back up the mountain
and get them all over again.
542
00:29:45,749 --> 00:29:49,885
But it's for that reason that
this mountain is so sacred.
543
00:29:54,024 --> 00:29:55,855
Narrator:
For hundreds of years,
544
00:29:55,957 --> 00:29:58,226
it has been accepted
that jebel-musa
545
00:29:58,328 --> 00:30:01,597
in the sinai peninsula of
egypt is the legendary
546
00:30:01,699 --> 00:30:02,630
mount sinai.
547
00:30:04,132 --> 00:30:06,101
But is this correct?
548
00:30:06,203 --> 00:30:08,805
Phillips: Interestingly,
the bible doesn't tell us
549
00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:11,139
directly where
mount sinai is.
550
00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:13,609
It is just somewhere
in the sinai wilderness,
551
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:17,513
which is a huge expanse
east of the red sea.
552
00:30:19,349 --> 00:30:23,684
The emperor constantine
decided it was a place
553
00:30:23,786 --> 00:30:26,022
now called jebel-musa,
554
00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:31,059
meaning the mount of moses,
which is in eastern egypt
555
00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:33,630
within the sinai wilderness.
556
00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:37,334
And he came up with that idea,
because his mother had had
557
00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:40,567
a dream that that's where
it was, and a monastery was
558
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:43,305
founded there,
but there's no historical
559
00:30:43,407 --> 00:30:45,742
or archaeological evidence
to support it.
560
00:30:50,115 --> 00:30:52,413
Narrator:
Since the mid-19th century,
561
00:30:52,515 --> 00:30:54,150
debate has raged between
562
00:30:54,252 --> 00:30:57,688
scholars on where
this holy site actually is,
563
00:30:57,823 --> 00:31:00,254
with over ten possible
locations given.
564
00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:02,958
After excavations by
565
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:06,262
the english archaeologist
sir flinders petrie
566
00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,329
in the 1900s,
567
00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:10,367
serabit el-khadim
568
00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:12,667
has emerged as
a likely candidate.
569
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:20,441
Serabit el-khadim is
the 600-pound gorilla in
570
00:31:20,543 --> 00:31:23,679
the story of moses that no one
is really talking about.
571
00:31:26,181 --> 00:31:27,316
I've been there.
572
00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:31,087
It's an incredible place,
excavated by petrie, who found
573
00:31:31,189 --> 00:31:34,624
lots of temples of hathor,
574
00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:39,095
the bull god that moses
is known to have banned,
575
00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:44,099
but also,
writing in semitic language,
576
00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:47,237
which you'd still see
on the temple walls,
577
00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,337
proto-semitic,
578
00:31:49,439 --> 00:31:54,241
a language that is associated
with the people of israel.
579
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:58,812
Narrator: Excavations
at serabit el-khadim
580
00:31:58,914 --> 00:32:01,916
also revealed possible
animal sacrifices
581
00:32:02,018 --> 00:32:03,553
and ritual washing,
582
00:32:03,655 --> 00:32:06,853
religious practices
not commonly associated with
583
00:32:06,955 --> 00:32:10,824
egyptian worship
but hebrew ceremonies.
584
00:32:10,926 --> 00:32:12,728
In addition,
there is evidence for
585
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:16,032
the mining of materials
important to the jewish people.
586
00:32:17,267 --> 00:32:20,369
Gough: There's evidence of
jewish worship
587
00:32:20,471 --> 00:32:23,169
at a place
where there shouldn't be.
588
00:32:23,271 --> 00:32:26,140
There's evidence of
the creation of
589
00:32:26,242 --> 00:32:28,944
the jewish alphabet here.
590
00:32:29,046 --> 00:32:34,748
And thirdly, there's evidence
of artisans, of mining of
591
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:36,052
turquoise and copper,
592
00:32:36,154 --> 00:32:40,290
the kinds of people
who could have constructed
593
00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:43,223
the ten commandments
and tablets.
594
00:32:45,429 --> 00:32:47,327
And if that's not enough,
595
00:32:47,429 --> 00:32:51,665
there's also tablets shaped
like the image we're told
596
00:32:51,767 --> 00:32:54,369
the ten commandments
were written in.
597
00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:01,877
All the scholars argue that
moses would have stopped there
598
00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:05,648
on his path of the exodus
to the promised land,
599
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:09,852
but what very few want
to acknowledge is that
600
00:33:09,954 --> 00:33:13,756
this could very well have been
the true mount sinai.
601
00:33:13,858 --> 00:33:19,760
♪
602
00:33:19,862 --> 00:33:22,197
narrator: But author
and historian graham phillips
603
00:33:22,299 --> 00:33:24,564
has another radical idea.
604
00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:27,568
He believes the historical
mount sinai is
605
00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:31,672
actually found 150 miles away
in jordan,
606
00:33:31,774 --> 00:33:33,976
near the ancient city
of petra.
607
00:33:38,649 --> 00:33:42,085
Phillips: When I got there,
I found so many things
608
00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:45,451
that tied up with
the description of mount sinai
609
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:48,155
in the bible
that I was literally,
610
00:33:48,257 --> 00:33:51,159
I don't know, flabbergasted,
knocked off my feet,
611
00:33:51,261 --> 00:33:54,930
to how many similarities
there where between this place
612
00:33:55,032 --> 00:33:56,430
and the biblical description
613
00:33:56,532 --> 00:33:59,801
that seem to have
been completely overlooked
614
00:33:59,903 --> 00:34:01,938
by previous historians.
615
00:34:04,007 --> 00:34:07,143
Gough: The theory that
graham phillips has put forward,
616
00:34:07,245 --> 00:34:12,813
that mount sinai is actually
in petra, is very viable,
617
00:34:12,915 --> 00:34:18,151
and that's because the whole
valley around petra is within
618
00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:23,859
the right distance of where the
exodus started from in egypt.
619
00:34:25,461 --> 00:34:29,263
His brother, aaron,
is buried there,
620
00:34:29,365 --> 00:34:31,900
and on top of the mountain
621
00:34:32,002 --> 00:34:35,138
that graham suggests
is mount sinai,
622
00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:38,538
there's actually architecture,
there's temples,
623
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,479
there's pillars, just like
are stated in the bible.
624
00:34:44,815 --> 00:34:48,183
Mcmahon: Clues there include
the fact that the valley
625
00:34:48,285 --> 00:34:51,288
in which petra is based
is called the wadi musa,
626
00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,292
the valley of moses, and there
is a rock, the ain musa,
627
00:34:55,394 --> 00:34:57,725
the rock of moses,
where the water is said
628
00:34:57,827 --> 00:34:59,562
to have spouted out,
and it would
629
00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:02,162
make a lot more
sense for petra to be
630
00:35:02,264 --> 00:35:05,666
the location as a major trade
and commercial hub back in
631
00:35:05,768 --> 00:35:07,333
those days than somewhere,
632
00:35:07,473 --> 00:35:10,337
some dusty hole, at the bottom
of the sinai peninsula.
633
00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:14,008
Narrator:
Yet moses's most important
634
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:16,612
legacy is giving
the ten commandments
635
00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,579
to the jewish people.
636
00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:20,816
While the inscribed tablets
most likely
637
00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:23,649
have not survived
to modern times,
638
00:35:23,751 --> 00:35:26,354
could their origins
be less miraculous
639
00:35:26,456 --> 00:35:28,258
than the famous story
tells us?
640
00:35:37,299 --> 00:35:38,935
Narrator:
For thousands of years,
641
00:35:39,037 --> 00:35:41,068
the biblical figure of moses has
642
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:44,005
been associated
with amazing miracles,
643
00:35:44,107 --> 00:35:46,509
with some alleging he might
actually have possessed
644
00:35:46,611 --> 00:35:47,809
magical powers.
645
00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:53,247
Whether miracle or magic,
646
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:56,518
he had one
indispensable possession --
647
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:57,651
his staff.
648
00:35:58,724 --> 00:36:00,588
Phillips: Again and again,
649
00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,459
moses is associated with
a miraculous staff.
650
00:36:07,032 --> 00:36:09,897
When he first encounters god
at the burning bush,
651
00:36:09,999 --> 00:36:14,101
he has this staff with him,
and god says that he would imbue
652
00:36:14,203 --> 00:36:16,938
this staff with
miraculous powers.
653
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,109
Kirkpatrick: A magician always
has a wand or a staff.
654
00:36:21,211 --> 00:36:22,309
It's like a conduit
655
00:36:22,411 --> 00:36:26,046
for focusing his will
and controlling the energies
656
00:36:26,148 --> 00:36:27,213
and making things happen,
657
00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:30,250
effecting change -- it's
a kind of directional tool.
658
00:36:30,352 --> 00:36:33,554
Even today, druids,
magicians, will use
659
00:36:33,656 --> 00:36:35,958
a wand or a staff
in their practice.
660
00:36:39,494 --> 00:36:42,296
Narrator: Intriguingly,
graham phillips believes
661
00:36:42,398 --> 00:36:46,200
he knows where this mythical
relic is kept today.
662
00:36:46,302 --> 00:36:50,537
His theory relies on moses's
link to snakes.
663
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,908
It's said that moses's staff
was once turned into a serpent,
664
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:59,012
and an intriguing snake-themed
monument has been discovered
665
00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:00,083
at petra.
666
00:37:03,152 --> 00:37:05,754
Phillips: In the mid-1800s,
667
00:37:05,856 --> 00:37:08,725
a cave
near the snake monument was
668
00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:11,491
excavated by a couple of
english archaeologists
669
00:37:11,593 --> 00:37:13,495
and they found a tomb there.
670
00:37:13,597 --> 00:37:16,833
There was no body any longer
in it, but it didn't have a few
671
00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:18,333
items remaining,
672
00:37:18,435 --> 00:37:22,903
the most important of which
was a staff with egyptian
673
00:37:23,005 --> 00:37:27,141
hieroglyphics on it,
an egyptian staff
674
00:37:27,243 --> 00:37:29,878
at the city of petra
675
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:31,945
in southern jordan.
676
00:37:35,718 --> 00:37:36,749
What was it doing there?
677
00:37:36,851 --> 00:37:40,787
Clearly, somebody from egypt
had been buried
678
00:37:40,889 --> 00:37:43,524
in this tomb
below the snake monument.
679
00:37:46,697 --> 00:37:50,165
Now, if my theory is
all right,
680
00:37:50,267 --> 00:37:53,032
then the snake monument
681
00:37:53,134 --> 00:37:58,307
is erected in memory of moses,
and this tomb could be
682
00:37:58,409 --> 00:38:01,274
the tomb of
an historical moses.
683
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,782
Narrator: So could
this discovery really be
684
00:38:06,884 --> 00:38:08,782
moses's legendary staff?
685
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:12,086
For such a possibly important
artifact for
686
00:38:12,188 --> 00:38:14,557
three of the world's
main religions,
687
00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:18,027
its home today is in
a quiet corner of England.
688
00:38:20,029 --> 00:38:24,198
The staff of moses,
today, is here
689
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,569
at the birmingham museum
in central England.
690
00:38:29,438 --> 00:38:33,073
Upon the staff there are
hieroglyphics telling us
691
00:38:33,175 --> 00:38:37,444
that the staff had belonged
to someone called thutmosis,
692
00:38:37,546 --> 00:38:40,248
who held a high position at
693
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:45,185
the egyptian court
around about 1350 bc.
694
00:38:46,221 --> 00:38:49,389
Now the historical moses,
695
00:38:49,491 --> 00:38:52,294
according to my research, was
696
00:38:52,396 --> 00:38:57,398
a man called thutmosis, who held
just such a position at exactly
697
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,568
the time that moses
is said to have been
698
00:39:00,670 --> 00:39:03,706
high in the egyptian court.
699
00:39:03,808 --> 00:39:08,577
As such, the staff of
thutmosis could be one
700
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:12,547
and the same as the staff
of the biblical moses.
701
00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:18,618
Narrator: It may be debatable
whether the staff in
702
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,022
the birmingham museum
is really that of
703
00:39:21,124 --> 00:39:22,822
the biblical moses,
704
00:39:22,924 --> 00:39:24,460
but the egyptian
influence over
705
00:39:24,562 --> 00:39:26,293
this religious figure
was strong.
706
00:39:29,799 --> 00:39:32,601
Controversially,
the ten commandments are alleged
707
00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:36,172
to be plagiarized from
an earlier egyptian tradition.
708
00:39:38,507 --> 00:39:41,843
Bianchi: The ten commandments
are prohibitions that
709
00:39:41,945 --> 00:39:44,147
the faithful, the moral,
the ethical
710
00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:45,980
should not indulge in.
711
00:39:46,082 --> 00:39:49,917
Don't covet your neighbor's
wife, don't commit adultery,
712
00:39:50,019 --> 00:39:52,355
don't murder
an individual, etcetera.
713
00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:53,955
And the interesting
thing about
714
00:39:54,057 --> 00:39:57,026
the ten commandments is
they resonate
715
00:39:57,128 --> 00:39:58,926
with the so-called
negative confession
716
00:39:59,028 --> 00:40:00,763
chapter 125 of the book
of the dead
717
00:40:00,865 --> 00:40:01,996
of the ancient egyptians.
718
00:40:03,732 --> 00:40:06,967
Pinknett: This was a formula,
lines, if you like,
719
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:09,971
that they had to learn
to say in the afterlife
720
00:40:10,073 --> 00:40:11,738
when they were
in the halls of justice,
721
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,609
and their souls were being
weighed in the balance,
722
00:40:13,711 --> 00:40:15,342
and they stood there,
and they said,
723
00:40:15,444 --> 00:40:17,179
"I have not committed adultery.
724
00:40:17,281 --> 00:40:19,279
"I have not borne
false witness.
725
00:40:19,381 --> 00:40:20,646
I have not killed."
726
00:40:20,786 --> 00:40:23,917
and it was supposed to
get you off
727
00:40:24,019 --> 00:40:25,921
all the punishments
of the afterlife.
728
00:40:27,323 --> 00:40:32,792
Gough: Did moses draw upon
an earlier edict
729
00:40:32,894 --> 00:40:36,662
and say they were written
by the finger of god?
730
00:40:40,669 --> 00:40:42,204
Narrator:
Without concrete evidence,
731
00:40:42,306 --> 00:40:44,804
the historical
and biblical moses
732
00:40:44,906 --> 00:40:47,575
will probably remain
elusive forever.
733
00:40:48,777 --> 00:40:52,179
But these tantalizing clues
might just give us
734
00:40:52,281 --> 00:40:53,983
a glimpse of the real man.
735
00:40:56,118 --> 00:40:58,520
Young-somers: In my view,
moses may have been
736
00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:00,087
a real figure who lived,
737
00:41:00,189 --> 00:41:03,991
but I don't know, and I like
the not knowing, and for me,
738
00:41:04,093 --> 00:41:06,562
actually, the importance
isn't whether
739
00:41:06,664 --> 00:41:08,495
or not moses literally lived.
740
00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:11,266
Gough: Moses appears
to have been an archetype,
741
00:41:11,368 --> 00:41:14,337
but if he was
an historical person,
742
00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:19,174
I know of no better historical
inspiration than that of
743
00:41:19,276 --> 00:41:21,941
the heretic king
who introduced monotheism,
744
00:41:22,043 --> 00:41:23,745
akhenaten.
745
00:41:27,884 --> 00:41:30,886
Even when the egyptians
lose a battle,
746
00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:33,086
they portray themselves
as the victors.
747
00:41:33,188 --> 00:41:36,091
So it's very, very hard for me
to believe that a story
748
00:41:36,193 --> 00:41:37,457
that paints the egyptians
749
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,661
in such a horrible light
could have
750
00:41:39,763 --> 00:41:42,095
possibly had
an egyptian origin.
751
00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:45,399
Young-somers: I think
it's inevitable that,
752
00:41:45,501 --> 00:41:47,736
as such an important figure,
753
00:41:47,838 --> 00:41:51,174
he's going to create
interest and intrigue,
754
00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,707
and we're going to want to try
to understand as much as we can,
755
00:41:54,809 --> 00:41:56,378
because there is so much
that's interesting
756
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,911
and so much
that's mysterious.
757
00:41:58,013 --> 00:42:03,186
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