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A JOURNEY INTO THE FAR REACHES 10 00:00:17,168 --> 00:00:19,168 A JOURNEY INTO THE FAR REACHES OF ANTIQUITY TURNS UP TALES 11 00:00:19,170 --> 00:00:20,569 OF ANTIQUITY TURNS UP TALES OF EXPLORERS WHO ARRIVED 12 00:00:20,571 --> 00:00:21,737 OF EXPLORERS WHO ARRIVED IN THE NEW WORLD 13 00:00:21,739 --> 00:00:24,039 IN THE NEW WORLD THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. 14 00:00:24,041 --> 00:00:26,375 THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. CHARTED ON A MAP, THEIR VOYAGES 15 00:00:26,377 --> 00:00:29,178 CHARTED ON A MAP, THEIR VOYAGES LOOK LIKE A MARITIME INVASION, 16 00:00:29,180 --> 00:00:30,179 LOOK LIKE A MARITIME INVASION, ONE THAT STARTED 17 00:00:30,181 --> 00:00:32,281 ONE THAT STARTED NOT JUST BEFORE COLUMBUS 18 00:00:32,283 --> 00:00:35,284 NOT JUST BEFORE COLUMBUS BUT BEFORE CHRIST. 19 00:00:35,286 --> 00:00:36,685 BUT BEFORE CHRIST. >> WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FIXED ON 20 00:00:36,687 --> 00:00:37,686 >> WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FIXED ON COLUMBUS DISCOVERING 21 00:00:37,688 --> 00:00:38,587 COLUMBUS DISCOVERING THE NEW WORLD? 22 00:00:38,589 --> 00:00:40,589 THE NEW WORLD? IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 23 00:00:40,591 --> 00:00:41,990 IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT. >> IN THE PAST, TRANSPACIFIC 24 00:00:41,992 --> 00:00:44,059 >> IN THE PAST, TRANSPACIFIC AND TRANSATLANTIC VOYAGING 25 00:00:44,061 --> 00:00:46,462 AND TRANSATLANTIC VOYAGING WAS EASIER THAN PEOPLE THINK. 26 00:00:46,464 --> 00:00:47,996 WAS EASIER THAN PEOPLE THINK. HUMAN BEINGS ARE RESTLESS. 27 00:00:47,998 --> 00:00:49,832 HUMAN BEINGS ARE RESTLESS. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO'S 28 00:00:49,834 --> 00:00:52,935 THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKING OVER THE HORIZON. 29 00:00:52,937 --> 00:00:54,570 LOOKING OVER THE HORIZON. >> narrator: NOW WE REBUILD 30 00:00:54,572 --> 00:00:57,272 >> narrator: NOW WE REBUILD THE SHIPS, TRACE THE ROUTES, 31 00:00:57,274 --> 00:00:58,774 THE SHIPS, TRACE THE ROUTES, TEST THE ARTIFACTS, AND ANALYZE 32 00:00:58,776 --> 00:01:01,210 TEST THE ARTIFACTS, AND ANALYZE BLOOD EVIDENCE TO FINALLY LEARN 33 00:01:01,212 --> 00:01:02,377 BLOOD EVIDENCE TO FINALLY LEARN THE ANSWER TO ONE OF THE 34 00:01:02,379 --> 00:01:05,414 THE ANSWER TO ONE OF THE GREATEST MYSTERIES OF ALL TIME: 35 00:01:05,416 --> 00:01:08,617 GREATEST MYSTERIES OF ALL TIME: WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA? 36 00:01:08,619 --> 00:01:21,597 IN 1492, COLUMBUS SAILED THE OCEAN BLUE. 37 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:22,798 THE OCEAN BLUE. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS 38 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,000 IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS VERSES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. 39 00:01:25,002 --> 00:01:27,236 VERSES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. BUT WE ARE STARTING TO CHALLENGE 40 00:01:27,238 --> 00:01:28,604 BUT WE ARE STARTING TO CHALLENGE THE IDEA HE WAS THE FIRST TO 41 00:01:28,606 --> 00:01:31,273 THE IDEA HE WAS THE FIRST TO DISCOVER THE NEW WORLD. 42 00:01:31,275 --> 00:01:32,975 DISCOVER THE NEW WORLD. NEW EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT 43 00:01:32,977 --> 00:01:34,543 NEW EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT AMERICA WAS A VERITABLE 44 00:01:34,545 --> 00:01:36,111 AMERICA WAS A VERITABLE GRAND CENTRAL STATION FOR 45 00:01:36,113 --> 00:01:37,379 GRAND CENTRAL STATION FOR THE WORLD'S PEOPLE 46 00:01:37,381 --> 00:01:39,982 THE WORLD'S PEOPLE WELL BEFORE HIS TIME. 47 00:01:39,984 --> 00:01:41,550 WELL BEFORE HIS TIME. >> THE IDEA THAT COLUMBUS 48 00:01:41,552 --> 00:01:43,318 >> THE IDEA THAT COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICA, 49 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,654 DISCOVERED AMERICA, THAT'S A MYTH LIKE OTHER MYTHS. 50 00:01:45,656 --> 00:01:46,588 THAT'S A MYTH LIKE OTHER MYTHS. >> TO DISBELIEVE THAT, IT'S 51 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:47,789 >> TO DISBELIEVE THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE BELIEVING THE EARTH 52 00:01:47,791 --> 00:01:49,124 ALMOST LIKE BELIEVING THE EARTH HAS TO BE FLAT IN THE FACE OF 53 00:01:49,126 --> 00:01:50,926 HAS TO BE FLAT IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE. 54 00:01:50,928 --> 00:01:52,094 ALL THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE. >> narrator: THERE'S NO DOUBT 55 00:01:52,096 --> 00:01:53,362 >> narrator: THERE'S NO DOUBT NATIVE AMERICANS WERE ALREADY 56 00:01:53,364 --> 00:01:55,731 NATIVE AMERICANS WERE ALREADY HERE WHEN COLUMBUS ARRIVED. 57 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:57,599 HERE WHEN COLUMBUS ARRIVED. THE BERING STRAIT LAND BRIDGE 58 00:01:57,601 --> 00:01:59,268 THE BERING STRAIT LAND BRIDGE THEORY SUGGESTS THEIR ANCESTORS 59 00:01:59,270 --> 00:02:01,069 THEORY SUGGESTS THEIR ANCESTORS CROSSED FROM ASIA TO NORTH 60 00:02:01,071 --> 00:02:04,273 CROSSED FROM ASIA TO NORTH AMERICA 18,000 YEARS AGO DURING 61 00:02:04,275 --> 00:02:06,275 AMERICA 18,000 YEARS AGO DURING THE LAST ICE AGE WHEN A STRIP 62 00:02:06,277 --> 00:02:07,776 THE LAST ICE AGE WHEN A STRIP OF LAND CONNECTED THE TWO 63 00:02:07,778 --> 00:02:09,611 OF LAND CONNECTED THE TWO CONTINENTS. 64 00:02:09,613 --> 00:02:11,146 CONTINENTS. COLUMBUS ONLY GOT CREDIT FOR 65 00:02:11,148 --> 00:02:13,282 COLUMBUS ONLY GOT CREDIT FOR THE DISCOVERY OF THE NEW WORLD 66 00:02:13,284 --> 00:02:14,917 THE DISCOVERY OF THE NEW WORLD BECAUSE, IN EUROPE'S EYES, 67 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:15,918 BECAUSE, IN EUROPE'S EYES, THE LAND WAS RIPE 68 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:17,786 THE LAND WAS RIPE FOR THE TAKING. 69 00:02:17,788 --> 00:02:19,521 FOR THE TAKING. >> COLUMBUS OPENED A NEW ERA 70 00:02:19,523 --> 00:02:20,822 >> COLUMBUS OPENED A NEW ERA OF ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION. 71 00:02:20,824 --> 00:02:21,657 OF ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION. AND THAT'S WHAT MADE IT 72 00:02:21,659 --> 00:02:22,991 AND THAT'S WHAT MADE IT SIGNIFICANT--WERE THE ECONOMIC 73 00:02:22,993 --> 00:02:23,825 SIGNIFICANT--WERE THE ECONOMIC MARKETS THAT WERE OPENED UP 74 00:02:23,827 --> 00:02:24,993 MARKETS THAT WERE OPENED UP IN EUROPE BECAUSE OF WHAT 75 00:02:24,995 --> 00:02:26,995 IN EUROPE BECAUSE OF WHAT THE NEW WORLD HAD TO OFFER. 76 00:02:26,997 --> 00:02:27,963 THE NEW WORLD HAD TO OFFER. >> narrator: EUROPE WAS 77 00:02:27,965 --> 00:02:30,165 >> narrator: EUROPE WAS AWESTRUCK, AND COLUMBUS 78 00:02:30,167 --> 00:02:32,034 AWESTRUCK, AND COLUMBUS WAS REVERED. 79 00:02:32,036 --> 00:02:33,435 WAS REVERED. HISTORIANS CREDITED HIM WITH 80 00:02:33,437 --> 00:02:36,438 HISTORIANS CREDITED HIM WITH THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA. 81 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,608 THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA. BUT TODAY A NEW HISTORY BEGINS, 82 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:41,910 BUT TODAY A NEW HISTORY BEGINS, AND IT STARTS ON THE OTHER SIDE 83 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:45,781 AND IT STARTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GLOBE. 84 00:02:45,783 --> 00:02:48,984 OF THE GLOBE. CHINA, 1421, 85 00:02:48,986 --> 00:02:52,087 CHINA, 1421, 71 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 86 00:02:52,089 --> 00:02:53,322 71 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 87 00:02:53,324 --> 00:02:54,890 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, IT'S THE RISE OF THE AZTEC 88 00:02:54,892 --> 00:02:57,192 IT'S THE RISE OF THE AZTEC EMPIRE IN CENTRAL AMERICA, 89 00:02:57,194 --> 00:02:58,694 EMPIRE IN CENTRAL AMERICA, AND JOAN OF ARC WILL SOON 90 00:02:58,696 --> 00:02:59,561 AND JOAN OF ARC WILL SOON LEAD THE FRENCH IN THE 91 00:02:59,563 --> 00:03:01,630 LEAD THE FRENCH IN THE HUNDRED YEARS' WAR. 92 00:03:01,632 --> 00:03:04,833 HUNDRED YEARS' WAR. IN CHINA, IT'S THE MING DYNASTY 93 00:03:04,835 --> 00:03:07,002 IN CHINA, IT'S THE MING DYNASTY UNDER EMPEROR ZHU DI. 94 00:03:07,004 --> 00:03:09,037 UNDER EMPEROR ZHU DI. ADMIRAL ZHENG HE IS IN COMMAND 95 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:10,806 ADMIRAL ZHENG HE IS IN COMMAND OF WHAT WOULD BECOME THE LARGEST 96 00:03:10,808 --> 00:03:15,544 OF WHAT WOULD BECOME THE LARGEST MARITIME FLEET IN THE WORLD. 97 00:03:15,546 --> 00:03:17,045 MARITIME FLEET IN THE WORLD. >> THE CHINESE, AROUND THE YEAR 98 00:03:17,047 --> 00:03:19,514 >> THE CHINESE, AROUND THE YEAR 1400, WERE THE WORLD'S GREATEST 99 00:03:19,516 --> 00:03:21,216 1400, WERE THE WORLD'S GREATEST MARITIME POWER WITH THE WORLD'S 100 00:03:21,218 --> 00:03:23,418 MARITIME POWER WITH THE WORLD'S MOST IMPRESSIVE AND MAGNIFICENT 101 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:25,187 MOST IMPRESSIVE AND MAGNIFICENT SHIPS. 102 00:03:25,189 --> 00:03:26,588 SHIPS. THESE SHIPS HAD WATERTIGHT 103 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:28,190 THESE SHIPS HAD WATERTIGHT BULKHEADS WHICH MADE THEM 104 00:03:28,192 --> 00:03:31,026 BULKHEADS WHICH MADE THEM PRACTICALLY UNSINKABLE. 105 00:03:31,028 --> 00:03:31,927 PRACTICALLY UNSINKABLE. >> narrator: THE LARGEST OF 106 00:03:31,929 --> 00:03:34,096 >> narrator: THE LARGEST OF ZHENG HE'S SHIPS WERE SAID TO BE 107 00:03:34,098 --> 00:03:37,232 ZHENG HE'S SHIPS WERE SAID TO BE 400 FEET LONG AND ABLE TO CARRY 108 00:03:37,234 --> 00:03:39,401 400 FEET LONG AND ABLE TO CARRY 1,500 TONS AND A CREW 109 00:03:39,403 --> 00:03:41,370 1,500 TONS AND A CREW OF 500 MEN. 110 00:03:41,372 --> 00:03:42,537 OF 500 MEN. FLANKED BY DOZENS OF 111 00:03:42,539 --> 00:03:44,172 FLANKED BY DOZENS OF SMALLER SHIPS CARRYING WATER, 112 00:03:44,174 --> 00:03:45,574 SMALLER SHIPS CARRYING WATER, FOOD, AND SUPPLIES, 113 00:03:45,576 --> 00:03:46,975 FOOD, AND SUPPLIES, EVEN HIS ENTOURAGE 114 00:03:46,977 --> 00:03:50,445 EVEN HIS ENTOURAGE WAS WORTHY OF ENVY. 115 00:03:50,447 --> 00:03:51,680 WAS WORTHY OF ENVY. >> THEY HAD HULLS IN WHICH 116 00:03:51,682 --> 00:03:53,415 >> THEY HAD HULLS IN WHICH THEY HAD LIVE FISH. 117 00:03:53,417 --> 00:03:54,449 THEY HAD LIVE FISH. THEY HAD COOPS OF CHICKENS. 118 00:03:54,451 --> 00:03:56,251 THEY HAD COOPS OF CHICKENS. THEY HAD RICE GROWING IN TUBS. 119 00:03:56,253 --> 00:03:57,586 THEY HAD RICE GROWING IN TUBS. THEY HAD BEAN SHOOTS 120 00:03:57,588 --> 00:03:58,687 THEY HAD BEAN SHOOTS FOR VITAMINS. 121 00:03:58,689 --> 00:03:59,788 FOR VITAMINS. >> HAD THEY SET THEIR MIND 122 00:03:59,790 --> 00:04:00,622 >> HAD THEY SET THEIR MIND TO IT, I THINK THEY 123 00:04:00,624 --> 00:04:03,692 TO IT, I THINK THEY COULD HAVE GONE ANYWHERE. 124 00:04:03,694 --> 00:04:09,865 >> narrator: THERE IS NO QUESTION ZHENG HE'S FLEET 125 00:04:09,867 --> 00:04:11,733 QUESTION ZHENG HE'S FLEET TRAVELED FROM NANJING, CHINA, 126 00:04:11,735 --> 00:04:14,402 TRAVELED FROM NANJING, CHINA, TO SUMATRA, INDIA, IRAN, 127 00:04:14,404 --> 00:04:15,971 TO SUMATRA, INDIA, IRAN, AND THE COAST OF AFRICA, 128 00:04:15,973 --> 00:04:17,606 AND THE COAST OF AFRICA, ESTABLISHING FOREIGN RELATIONS 129 00:04:17,608 --> 00:04:20,142 ESTABLISHING FOREIGN RELATIONS AND EXPANDING TRADE. 130 00:04:20,144 --> 00:04:22,778 AND EXPANDING TRADE. BUT WHY STOP THERE? 131 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:24,412 BUT WHY STOP THERE? THIS STRANGE MAP DRAWN BY 132 00:04:24,414 --> 00:04:25,580 THIS STRANGE MAP DRAWN BY RENOWNED CARTOGRAPHER 133 00:04:25,582 --> 00:04:28,583 RENOWNED CARTOGRAPHER FATHER MAURO IN 1459 COULD BE 134 00:04:28,585 --> 00:04:31,720 FATHER MAURO IN 1459 COULD BE THE KEY TO PROVING THEY DIDN'T. 135 00:04:31,722 --> 00:04:33,955 THE KEY TO PROVING THEY DIDN'T. >> IT SHOWED ME THAT THE CHINESE 136 00:04:33,957 --> 00:04:36,424 >> IT SHOWED ME THAT THE CHINESE HAD BEEN SAILING AROUND AFRICA 137 00:04:36,426 --> 00:04:37,592 HAD BEEN SAILING AROUND AFRICA CERTAINLY LONG, LONG BEFORE 138 00:04:37,594 --> 00:04:38,827 CERTAINLY LONG, LONG BEFORE COLUMBUS, BECAUSE THEY SHOW 139 00:04:38,829 --> 00:04:40,762 COLUMBUS, BECAUSE THEY SHOW THE ATLANTIC. 140 00:04:40,764 --> 00:04:41,596 THE ATLANTIC. >> narrator: THOUGH THE MAP 141 00:04:41,598 --> 00:04:43,431 >> narrator: THOUGH THE MAP LOOKS UPSIDE DOWN TO US, 142 00:04:43,433 --> 00:04:44,833 LOOKS UPSIDE DOWN TO US, IT SHOWS WHAT LOOKS LIKE 143 00:04:44,835 --> 00:04:47,169 IT SHOWS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A CHINESE JUNK ROUNDING THE TIP 144 00:04:47,171 --> 00:04:51,139 A CHINESE JUNK ROUNDING THE TIP OF AFRICA AROUND 1420. 145 00:04:51,141 --> 00:04:52,307 OF AFRICA AROUND 1420. THE SHIP WAS SAID TO HAVE 146 00:04:52,309 --> 00:04:54,476 THE SHIP WAS SAID TO HAVE FOUR MASTS AND AN ASTROLOGER 147 00:04:54,478 --> 00:04:56,511 FOUR MASTS AND AN ASTROLOGER WHO USED THE SUN AND STARS TO 148 00:04:56,513 --> 00:04:59,247 WHO USED THE SUN AND STARS TO TELL THE NAVIGATOR WHERE TO GO. 149 00:04:59,249 --> 00:05:01,149 TELL THE NAVIGATOR WHERE TO GO. IT'S A NEAR-PERFECT DESCRIPTION 150 00:05:01,151 --> 00:05:03,285 IT'S A NEAR-PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF ONE OF ZHENG HE'S SHIPS, 151 00:05:03,287 --> 00:05:04,986 OF ONE OF ZHENG HE'S SHIPS, A REPLICA OF WHICH CAN BE SEEN 152 00:05:04,988 --> 00:05:06,588 A REPLICA OF WHICH CAN BE SEEN IN NANJING, CHINA, 153 00:05:06,590 --> 00:05:07,989 IN NANJING, CHINA, WHERE ZHENG HE ORIGINALLY 154 00:05:07,991 --> 00:05:10,792 WHERE ZHENG HE ORIGINALLY SET SAIL. 155 00:05:10,794 --> 00:05:12,260 SET SAIL. >> AS WE KNOW FROM THE RECORDS 156 00:05:12,262 --> 00:05:13,895 >> AS WE KNOW FROM THE RECORDS IN CHINA, HE WAS SENT ACROSS 157 00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:15,330 IN CHINA, HE WAS SENT ACROSS THE WORLD TO THE AMERICAS, 158 00:05:15,332 --> 00:05:18,200 THE WORLD TO THE AMERICAS, TO AFRICA, EVERYWHERE. 159 00:05:18,202 --> 00:05:19,034 TO AFRICA, EVERYWHERE. >> narrator: THE MAP SAYS 160 00:05:19,036 --> 00:05:20,635 >> narrator: THE MAP SAYS THE SHIP WENT 2,000 MILES 161 00:05:20,637 --> 00:05:22,137 THE SHIP WENT 2,000 MILES INTO THE ATLANTIC. 162 00:05:22,139 --> 00:05:24,339 INTO THE ATLANTIC. WHERE TO, IT DOESN'T SAY. 163 00:05:24,341 --> 00:05:26,007 WHERE TO, IT DOESN'T SAY. BUT COULD ZHENG HE HAVE WRITTEN 164 00:05:26,009 --> 00:05:27,609 BUT COULD ZHENG HE HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT FINDING AMERICA IN 165 00:05:27,611 --> 00:05:29,678 ABOUT FINDING AMERICA IN HIS OWN ACCOUNT? 166 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:44,492 100,000 LI IS ABOUT 30,000 MILES, ROUGHLY 167 00:05:44,494 --> 00:05:45,794 30,000 MILES, ROUGHLY THE DISTANCE FROM THE PORT 168 00:05:45,796 --> 00:05:47,996 THE DISTANCE FROM THE PORT IN NANJING TO THE AMERICAS 169 00:05:47,998 --> 00:05:49,798 IN NANJING TO THE AMERICAS AND BACK. 170 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,533 AND BACK. AUTHOR GAVIN MENZIES BELIEVES 171 00:05:51,535 --> 00:05:53,702 AUTHOR GAVIN MENZIES BELIEVES THERE IS PROOF OF THE VOYAGE 172 00:05:53,704 --> 00:05:55,170 THERE IS PROOF OF THE VOYAGE JUST OFF BIMINI ISLAND 173 00:05:55,172 --> 00:05:58,206 JUST OFF BIMINI ISLAND IN THE BAHAMAS. 174 00:05:58,208 --> 00:06:00,241 IN THE BAHAMAS. >> SOMEBODY WAS THERE A HELL 175 00:06:00,243 --> 00:06:02,143 >> SOMEBODY WAS THERE A HELL OF A LONG TIME AGO AND BUILT 176 00:06:02,145 --> 00:06:03,511 OF A LONG TIME AGO AND BUILT THIS ROAD, AND I SAY 177 00:06:03,513 --> 00:06:04,846 THIS ROAD, AND I SAY IT WAS A BREAKWATER 178 00:06:04,848 --> 00:06:07,315 IT WAS A BREAKWATER AND A SLIPWAY. 179 00:06:07,317 --> 00:06:08,149 AND A SLIPWAY. >> narrator: SUBMERGED 180 00:06:08,151 --> 00:06:09,517 >> narrator: SUBMERGED LIMESTONE BLOCKS SIT PERFECTLY 181 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:11,720 LIMESTONE BLOCKS SIT PERFECTLY ALIGNED FOR 1/2 MILE, 182 00:06:11,722 --> 00:06:12,687 ALIGNED FOR 1/2 MILE, MAKING UP WHAT'S CALLED 183 00:06:12,689 --> 00:06:15,023 MAKING UP WHAT'S CALLED THE BIMINI ROAD. 184 00:06:15,025 --> 00:06:16,257 THE BIMINI ROAD. MOST GEOLOGISTS SAY 185 00:06:16,259 --> 00:06:17,525 MOST GEOLOGISTS SAY IT'S JUST A NATURALLY OCCURRING 186 00:06:17,527 --> 00:06:19,394 IT'S JUST A NATURALLY OCCURRING CONFIGURATION OF BEACH ROCK, 187 00:06:19,396 --> 00:06:20,662 CONFIGURATION OF BEACH ROCK, PROOF OF NOTHING MORE THAN 188 00:06:20,664 --> 00:06:23,598 PROOF OF NOTHING MORE THAN THE POWER OF MOTHER NATURE. 189 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,133 THE POWER OF MOTHER NATURE. BUT GAVIN MENZIES SUSPECTS 190 00:06:25,135 --> 00:06:26,901 BUT GAVIN MENZIES SUSPECTS IT WAS BUILT BY THE CHINESE AS 191 00:06:26,903 --> 00:06:29,237 IT WAS BUILT BY THE CHINESE AS A DRY DOCK SLIP, WHERE THEY 192 00:06:29,239 --> 00:06:32,707 A DRY DOCK SLIP, WHERE THEY COULD DOCK A SHIP FOR REPAIRS. 193 00:06:32,709 --> 00:06:35,076 COULD DOCK A SHIP FOR REPAIRS. >> I SAY IF YOU TOOK 100 PEOPLE 194 00:06:35,078 --> 00:06:36,277 >> I SAY IF YOU TOOK 100 PEOPLE TO BIMINI AND SWAM OVER 195 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,247 TO BIMINI AND SWAM OVER THAT THING, 99--AT LEAST 99 196 00:06:39,249 --> 00:06:40,749 THAT THING, 99--AT LEAST 99 OF THE 100 WOULD SAY 197 00:06:40,751 --> 00:06:42,884 OF THE 100 WOULD SAY OF COURSE IT'S MAN-MADE. 198 00:06:42,886 --> 00:06:44,919 OF COURSE IT'S MAN-MADE. IF I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG, 199 00:06:44,921 --> 00:06:46,421 IF I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG, IT WOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT 200 00:06:46,423 --> 00:06:47,689 IT WOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT THE OVERALL STORY, BECAUSE WE'VE 201 00:06:47,691 --> 00:06:49,257 THE OVERALL STORY, BECAUSE WE'VE FOUND OUT SO MUCH SINCE THEN. 202 00:06:49,259 --> 00:06:50,859 FOUND OUT SO MUCH SINCE THEN. >> narrator: IT TURNS OUT 203 00:06:50,861 --> 00:06:52,327 >> narrator: IT TURNS OUT THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE THAT 204 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:54,629 THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE THAT ZHENG HE MADE IT TO AMERICA 205 00:06:54,631 --> 00:06:58,566 ZHENG HE MADE IT TO AMERICA EVEN EARLIER THAN 1421. 206 00:06:58,568 --> 00:07:00,135 EVEN EARLIER THAN 1421. >> I WAS CERTAIN THAT WE WOULD 207 00:07:00,137 --> 00:07:02,404 >> I WAS CERTAIN THAT WE WOULD FIND ONE DAY THE MASTER MAP OF 208 00:07:02,406 --> 00:07:04,039 FIND ONE DAY THE MASTER MAP OF THE WORLD, THE CHINESE MAP. 209 00:07:04,041 --> 00:07:05,874 THE WORLD, THE CHINESE MAP. AND HERE IT IS. 210 00:07:05,876 --> 00:07:06,741 AND HERE IT IS. IT SHOWED THE WHOLE WORLD, 211 00:07:06,743 --> 00:07:09,677 IT SHOWED THE WHOLE WORLD, AS YOU CAN SEE, ACCURATELY. 212 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:11,780 AS YOU CAN SEE, ACCURATELY. THIS MAP WAS PRODUCED AS 213 00:07:11,782 --> 00:07:13,581 THIS MAP WAS PRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE VOYAGES OF 214 00:07:13,583 --> 00:07:14,849 A RESULT OF THE VOYAGES OF ZHENG HE, HIS VOYAGES 215 00:07:14,851 --> 00:07:17,452 ZHENG HE, HIS VOYAGES TO THE BARBARIANS. 216 00:07:17,454 --> 00:07:18,386 TO THE BARBARIANS. >> narrator: THE PERSON WHO 217 00:07:18,388 --> 00:07:20,789 >> narrator: THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS MAP IN 1763 218 00:07:20,791 --> 00:07:21,956 MADE THIS MAP IN 1763 WROTE ON THE MAP THAT 219 00:07:21,958 --> 00:07:23,591 WROTE ON THE MAP THAT HE COPIED IT FROM ONE DRAWN 220 00:07:23,593 --> 00:07:27,328 HE COPIED IT FROM ONE DRAWN CENTURIES EARLIER IN 1418. 221 00:07:27,330 --> 00:07:29,431 CENTURIES EARLIER IN 1418. AT THAT TIME, CHINESE RECORDS 222 00:07:29,433 --> 00:07:30,965 AT THAT TIME, CHINESE RECORDS SHOW ZHENG HE'S FLEET 223 00:07:30,967 --> 00:07:32,600 SHOW ZHENG HE'S FLEET WAS ALREADY TRAVELING 224 00:07:32,602 --> 00:07:35,003 WAS ALREADY TRAVELING AS FAR AS AFRICA. 225 00:07:35,005 --> 00:07:36,037 AS FAR AS AFRICA. THOUGH THE MAP'S PROVENANCE 226 00:07:36,039 --> 00:07:38,606 THOUGH THE MAP'S PROVENANCE ISN'T PROVEN, IF AUTHENTIC, 227 00:07:38,608 --> 00:07:40,208 ISN'T PROVEN, IF AUTHENTIC, IT WOULD BE THE FIRST MAP 228 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:43,478 IT WOULD BE THE FIRST MAP OF THE WORLD, 229 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,612 OF THE WORLD, AND IT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN 230 00:07:44,614 --> 00:07:46,281 AND IT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN MADE IF SOMEONE TRAVELED ALONG 231 00:07:46,283 --> 00:07:48,149 MADE IF SOMEONE TRAVELED ALONG THE AMERICAN COASTLINE, 232 00:07:48,151 --> 00:07:49,050 THE AMERICAN COASTLINE, SOMEONE WHO WAS 233 00:07:49,052 --> 00:07:51,920 SOMEONE WHO WAS AN EXPERT NAVIGATOR. 234 00:07:51,922 --> 00:07:53,788 AN EXPERT NAVIGATOR. >> THE CHINESE COULD PREDICT 235 00:07:53,790 --> 00:07:56,391 >> THE CHINESE COULD PREDICT THE POSITION OF STARS, PLANETS, 236 00:07:56,393 --> 00:07:58,193 THE POSITION OF STARS, PLANETS, SUN, AND MOON WHEN THEY ROSE 237 00:07:58,195 --> 00:07:59,394 SUN, AND MOON WHEN THEY ROSE ON THE EASTERN HORIZON, 238 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:00,328 ON THE EASTERN HORIZON, WHEN THEY SET. 239 00:08:00,330 --> 00:08:01,362 WHEN THEY SET. THEY COULD PREDICT THEIR 240 00:08:01,364 --> 00:08:03,965 THEY COULD PREDICT THEIR ACCURACY WITHIN SECONDS. 241 00:08:03,967 --> 00:08:05,233 ACCURACY WITHIN SECONDS. >> narrator: USING ASTRONOMY 242 00:08:05,235 --> 00:08:06,968 >> narrator: USING ASTRONOMY TO NAVIGATE THE SEAS WAS 243 00:08:06,970 --> 00:08:08,636 TO NAVIGATE THE SEAS WAS A TECHNIQUE ZHENG HE READILY 244 00:08:08,638 --> 00:08:10,171 A TECHNIQUE ZHENG HE READILY EMPLOYED, BUT COULD 245 00:08:10,173 --> 00:08:12,006 EMPLOYED, BUT COULD A BUDDHIST MONK HAVE USED 246 00:08:12,008 --> 00:08:13,641 A BUDDHIST MONK HAVE USED THE SAME TECHNIQUE TO MAKE 247 00:08:13,643 --> 00:08:15,643 THE SAME TECHNIQUE TO MAKE HIS OWN JOURNEY TO AMERICA 248 00:08:15,645 --> 00:08:18,580 HIS OWN JOURNEY TO AMERICA 1,000 YEARS EARLIER? 249 00:08:18,582 --> 00:08:30,725 CHINA, 455 A.D., 1,037 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 250 00:08:30,727 --> 00:08:32,327 1,037 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 251 00:08:32,329 --> 00:08:33,294 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, ATTILA THE HUN'S REIGN 252 00:08:33,296 --> 00:08:34,762 ATTILA THE HUN'S REIGN OF TERROR IN THE BALTIC 253 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,397 OF TERROR IN THE BALTIC HAS JUST ENDED, 254 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:37,866 HAS JUST ENDED, AND THE MYSTERIOUS NAZCA LINES 255 00:08:37,868 --> 00:08:39,067 AND THE MYSTERIOUS NAZCA LINES ARE ETCHED INTO THE ARID 256 00:08:39,069 --> 00:08:41,736 ARE ETCHED INTO THE ARID PERUVIAN LANDSCAPE. 257 00:08:41,738 --> 00:08:44,105 PERUVIAN LANDSCAPE. IN CHINA, A BUDDHIST MONK NAMED 258 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:45,673 IN CHINA, A BUDDHIST MONK NAMED HUI SHEN SETS SAIL 259 00:08:45,675 --> 00:08:47,208 HUI SHEN SETS SAIL FROM THE COAST, TRAVELING 260 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:49,944 FROM THE COAST, TRAVELING TO A LAND HE CALLS FUSANG, 261 00:08:49,946 --> 00:08:53,548 TO A LAND HE CALLS FUSANG, WHAT SOME BELIEVE IS AMERICA. 262 00:08:53,550 --> 00:08:56,017 WHAT SOME BELIEVE IS AMERICA. UPON HIS RETURN TO CHINA, 263 00:08:56,019 --> 00:08:57,685 UPON HIS RETURN TO CHINA, HUI SHEN VIVIDLY DESCRIBED 264 00:08:57,687 --> 00:08:59,854 HUI SHEN VIVIDLY DESCRIBED FUSANG, GIVING DETAILS 265 00:08:59,856 --> 00:09:01,222 FUSANG, GIVING DETAILS OF PLANTS AND PEOPLE 266 00:09:01,224 --> 00:09:03,057 OF PLANTS AND PEOPLE WITH REMARKABLE SIMILARITY 267 00:09:03,059 --> 00:09:05,927 WITH REMARKABLE SIMILARITY TO SPECIES NATIVE TO MEXICO. 268 00:09:05,929 --> 00:09:07,729 TO SPECIES NATIVE TO MEXICO. HUI SHEN'S JOURNEY IS RECORDED 269 00:09:07,731 --> 00:09:09,197 HUI SHEN'S JOURNEY IS RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF LIANG 270 00:09:09,199 --> 00:09:12,467 IN THE BOOK OF LIANG AS 20,000 LI ACROSS THE SEA. 271 00:09:12,469 --> 00:09:13,768 AS 20,000 LI ACROSS THE SEA. THAT'S ROUGHLY THE DISTANCE 272 00:09:13,770 --> 00:09:16,237 THAT'S ROUGHLY THE DISTANCE FROM CHINA TO, OF ALL PLACES, 273 00:09:16,239 --> 00:09:19,874 FROM CHINA TO, OF ALL PLACES, CALIFORNIA, SOME 6,000 OR 7,000 274 00:09:19,876 --> 00:09:23,878 CALIFORNIA, SOME 6,000 OR 7,000 MILES ACROSS OPEN SEA. 275 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,546 MILES ACROSS OPEN SEA. IT MAY SEEM FAR FOR A VOYAGER 276 00:09:25,548 --> 00:09:28,750 IT MAY SEEM FAR FOR A VOYAGER IN 455 A.D., BUT NEW SCIENCE 277 00:09:28,752 --> 00:09:30,718 IN 455 A.D., BUT NEW SCIENCE SHOWS IT WAS POSSIBLE 278 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,220 SHOWS IT WAS POSSIBLE IF HUI SHEN TOOK ADVANTAGE 279 00:09:32,222 --> 00:09:35,023 IF HUI SHEN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF OCEAN CURRENTS. 280 00:09:35,025 --> 00:09:36,591 OF OCEAN CURRENTS. >> THERE ARE STRONG CURRENTS 281 00:09:36,593 --> 00:09:38,726 >> THERE ARE STRONG CURRENTS IN THE WESTERN SIDE OF OCEANS 282 00:09:38,728 --> 00:09:40,728 IN THE WESTERN SIDE OF OCEANS AND ON THE EQUATOR THAT 283 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:42,897 AND ON THE EQUATOR THAT HAVE BEEN USED BY PEOPLE 284 00:09:42,899 --> 00:09:44,132 HAVE BEEN USED BY PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THEM 285 00:09:44,134 --> 00:09:46,200 WHO KNEW ABOUT THEM IN THE ANCIENT WORLD. 286 00:09:46,202 --> 00:09:47,135 IN THE ANCIENT WORLD. >> narrator: DR. PETER NIILER 287 00:09:47,137 --> 00:09:47,969 >> narrator: DR. PETER NIILER KNOWS A LOT ABOUT 288 00:09:47,971 --> 00:09:49,303 KNOWS A LOT ABOUT OCEAN CURRENTS. 289 00:09:49,305 --> 00:09:50,304 OCEAN CURRENTS. HE'S THE ONE WHO INVENTED 290 00:09:50,306 --> 00:09:51,773 HE'S THE ONE WHO INVENTED THE OCEAN DRIFTERS WE USE 291 00:09:51,775 --> 00:09:53,808 THE OCEAN DRIFTERS WE USE TO MEASURE THEM TODAY. 292 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:54,909 TO MEASURE THEM TODAY. >> THIS PART STAYS ON THE 293 00:09:54,911 --> 00:09:57,011 >> THIS PART STAYS ON THE OCEAN SURFACE AND COMMUNICATES 294 00:09:57,013 --> 00:09:58,980 OCEAN SURFACE AND COMMUNICATES WITH A SATELLITE, AND THE PART 295 00:09:58,982 --> 00:10:02,283 WITH A SATELLITE, AND THE PART OVER HERE IS A DROGUE. 296 00:10:02,285 --> 00:10:03,184 OVER HERE IS A DROGUE. THAT'S DOWN AT A DEPTH 297 00:10:03,186 --> 00:10:05,620 THAT'S DOWN AT A DEPTH OF 45 FEET, AND IT HOLDS ON TO 298 00:10:05,622 --> 00:10:07,455 OF 45 FEET, AND IT HOLDS ON TO THE WATER VERY STRONGLY. 299 00:10:07,457 --> 00:10:09,490 THE WATER VERY STRONGLY. AND SO THE MOVEMENT OF THE 300 00:10:09,492 --> 00:10:11,893 AND SO THE MOVEMENT OF THE WATER AT 45 FEET DOWN IS THEN 301 00:10:11,895 --> 00:10:13,594 WATER AT 45 FEET DOWN IS THEN MIRRORED BY THIS SURFACE FLOAT 302 00:10:13,596 --> 00:10:15,830 MIRRORED BY THIS SURFACE FLOAT THAT TALKS TO THE SATELLITE. 303 00:10:15,832 --> 00:10:17,165 THAT TALKS TO THE SATELLITE. >> narrator: THERE ARE 1,300 304 00:10:17,167 --> 00:10:18,366 >> narrator: THERE ARE 1,300 OF THESE OCEAN DRIFTERS 305 00:10:18,368 --> 00:10:20,301 OF THESE OCEAN DRIFTERS IN THE WORLD'S OCEANS TODAY, 306 00:10:20,303 --> 00:10:21,803 IN THE WORLD'S OCEANS TODAY, PROVIDING PRECISE DATA 307 00:10:21,805 --> 00:10:22,837 PROVIDING PRECISE DATA ON CURRENTS AND PHENOMENA 308 00:10:22,839 --> 00:10:25,206 ON CURRENTS AND PHENOMENA LIKE GYRES, OCEAN WHIRLWINDS 309 00:10:25,208 --> 00:10:27,008 LIKE GYRES, OCEAN WHIRLWINDS THAT TRAP THE WORLD'S JUNK 310 00:10:27,010 --> 00:10:29,811 THAT TRAP THE WORLD'S JUNK BUT THAT ALSO HELP PROPEL SHIPS. 311 00:10:29,813 --> 00:10:31,279 BUT THAT ALSO HELP PROPEL SHIPS. FOR THE FIRST TIME, 312 00:10:31,281 --> 00:10:32,346 FOR THE FIRST TIME, THESE DRIFTERS ARE GOING TO BE 313 00:10:32,348 --> 00:10:33,981 THESE DRIFTERS ARE GOING TO BE USED TO TACKLE THE QUESTION OF 314 00:10:33,983 --> 00:10:38,986 USED TO TACKLE THE QUESTION OF WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA. 315 00:10:38,988 --> 00:10:40,788 WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA. DR. NIKOLAI MAXIMENKO 316 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:42,657 DR. NIKOLAI MAXIMENKO IS A PHYSICAL OCEANOGRAPHER 317 00:10:42,659 --> 00:10:44,325 IS A PHYSICAL OCEANOGRAPHER WHO'S USING NIILER'S DRIFTERS 318 00:10:44,327 --> 00:10:45,526 WHO'S USING NIILER'S DRIFTERS TO CALCULATE THE MOST LIKELY 319 00:10:45,528 --> 00:10:47,495 TO CALCULATE THE MOST LIKELY ROUTES OF TRAVEL FOR SAILORS 320 00:10:47,497 --> 00:10:48,563 ROUTES OF TRAVEL FOR SAILORS SAID TO HAVE DISCOVERED AMERICA 321 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:50,198 SAID TO HAVE DISCOVERED AMERICA BEFORE COLUMBUS, 322 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,900 BEFORE COLUMBUS, SAILORS LIKE HUI SHEN. 323 00:10:52,902 --> 00:10:54,836 SAILORS LIKE HUI SHEN. MAXIMENKO SAYS HIS VOYAGE 324 00:10:54,838 --> 00:10:58,372 MAXIMENKO SAYS HIS VOYAGE WOULD HAVE TAKEN 270 DAYS. 325 00:10:58,374 --> 00:10:59,440 WOULD HAVE TAKEN 270 DAYS. >> FASTEST POSSIBLE PATHS 326 00:10:59,442 --> 00:11:01,042 >> FASTEST POSSIBLE PATHS ARE SHOWN HERE. 327 00:11:01,044 --> 00:11:02,810 ARE SHOWN HERE. THIS IS FROM CHINA TO 328 00:11:02,812 --> 00:11:05,346 THIS IS FROM CHINA TO CALIFORNIA, AND THIS IS BACK 329 00:11:05,348 --> 00:11:07,849 CALIFORNIA, AND THIS IS BACK FROM CALIFORNIA TO CHINA. 330 00:11:07,851 --> 00:11:10,017 FROM CALIFORNIA TO CHINA. IF THE CHINESE SAILOR TOOK 331 00:11:10,019 --> 00:11:11,385 IF THE CHINESE SAILOR TOOK THAT PATH, HE RECEIVED 332 00:11:11,387 --> 00:11:12,620 THAT PATH, HE RECEIVED PRETTY GOOD HELP FROM 333 00:11:12,622 --> 00:11:14,655 PRETTY GOOD HELP FROM OCEAN CURRENTS. 334 00:11:14,657 --> 00:11:15,523 OCEAN CURRENTS. >> narrator: BUT WHAT ABOUT 335 00:11:15,525 --> 00:11:17,992 >> narrator: BUT WHAT ABOUT PHYSICAL PROOF OF THE TRIP? 336 00:11:17,994 --> 00:11:19,360 PHYSICAL PROOF OF THE TRIP? COULD IT BE FOUND NEAR 337 00:11:19,362 --> 00:11:24,232 COULD IT BE FOUND NEAR LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA? 338 00:11:24,234 --> 00:11:25,967 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA? >> WELL, WE FOUND THESE ROCKS 339 00:11:25,969 --> 00:11:27,835 >> WELL, WE FOUND THESE ROCKS OUT HERE, AND I WAS JUST 340 00:11:27,837 --> 00:11:28,669 OUT HERE, AND I WAS JUST INQUISITIVE. 341 00:11:28,671 --> 00:11:29,971 INQUISITIVE. I THOUGHT, "WHY WOULD IT HAVE 342 00:11:29,973 --> 00:11:33,040 I THOUGHT, "WHY WOULD IT HAVE A PERFECT HOLE IN IT LIKE THAT?" 343 00:11:33,042 --> 00:11:35,443 A PERFECT HOLE IN IT LIKE THAT?" >> narrator: IN 1972, 344 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:36,577 >> narrator: IN 1972, BOB MEISTRELL WAS DIVING OFF 345 00:11:36,579 --> 00:11:37,912 BOB MEISTRELL WAS DIVING OFF PALOS VERDES IN SOUTHERN 346 00:11:37,914 --> 00:11:40,848 PALOS VERDES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, 50 MILES FROM L.A., 347 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:41,883 CALIFORNIA, 50 MILES FROM L.A., WHEN HE DISCOVERED A BED OF 348 00:11:41,885 --> 00:11:44,852 WHEN HE DISCOVERED A BED OF UNUSUAL STONES ON THE SEAFLOOR. 349 00:11:44,854 --> 00:11:45,853 UNUSUAL STONES ON THE SEAFLOOR. >> I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT 350 00:11:45,855 --> 00:11:49,590 >> I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE BEFORE I DIE. 351 00:11:49,592 --> 00:11:50,525 WHAT THEY ARE BEFORE I DIE. >> narrator: WHAT ARE THESE 352 00:11:50,527 --> 00:11:52,560 >> narrator: WHAT ARE THESE STONES, AND COULD THEY PROVE 353 00:11:52,562 --> 00:11:54,462 STONES, AND COULD THEY PROVE HUI SHEN MADE IT TO AMERICA 354 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:57,465 HUI SHEN MADE IT TO AMERICA 1,500 YEARS AGO? 355 00:11:57,467 --> 00:11:59,267 1,500 YEARS AGO? SCIENCE SETS OUT TO ANSWER 356 00:11:59,269 --> 00:12:01,369 SCIENCE SETS OUT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND MORE: 357 00:12:01,371 --> 00:12:02,970 THOSE QUESTIONS AND MORE: WHETHER A PRINCE ARRIVED HERE 358 00:12:02,972 --> 00:12:05,339 WHETHER A PRINCE ARRIVED HERE IN 1170 OR A PROPHET 359 00:12:05,341 --> 00:12:07,875 IN 1170 OR A PROPHET IN 600 B.C., WHETHER 360 00:12:07,877 --> 00:12:09,877 IN 600 B.C., WHETHER MOBILE, ALABAMA, WAS AN ANCIENT 361 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:12,647 MOBILE, ALABAMA, WAS AN ANCIENT PORT CITY, AND WHETHER EUROPEANS 362 00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:14,582 PORT CITY, AND WHETHER EUROPEANS DID FIND THE NEW WORLD 363 00:12:14,584 --> 00:12:16,884 DID FIND THE NEW WORLD MORE THAN 20,000 YEARS 364 00:12:16,886 --> 00:12:18,920 MORE THAN 20,000 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 365 00:12:18,922 --> 00:12:28,012 >> narrator: AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA LIES A MARITIME MYSTERY. 366 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,314 THE SEA LIES A MARITIME MYSTERY. THESE LARGE ROUND STONES, 367 00:12:30,316 --> 00:12:32,883 THESE LARGE ROUND STONES, SOME WEIGHING NEARLY 300 POUNDS, 368 00:12:32,885 --> 00:12:34,685 SOME WEIGHING NEARLY 300 POUNDS, BEAR A STRIKING RESEMBLANCE 369 00:12:34,687 --> 00:12:36,087 BEAR A STRIKING RESEMBLANCE TO STONE ANCHORS USED ON 370 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,289 TO STONE ANCHORS USED ON CHINESE SHIPS AS EARLY AS 371 00:12:38,291 --> 00:12:41,659 CHINESE SHIPS AS EARLY AS THE TIME OF CHRIST. 372 00:12:41,661 --> 00:12:44,462 THE TIME OF CHRIST. BOB MEISTRELL, AN AVID DIVER 373 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:46,297 BOB MEISTRELL, AN AVID DIVER AND COFOUNDER OF BODY GLOVE, 374 00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:47,999 AND COFOUNDER OF BODY GLOVE, WAS THE FIRST TO FIND THE STONES 375 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:51,068 WAS THE FIRST TO FIND THE STONES BACK IN 1972. 376 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:52,637 BACK IN 1972. >> I HOPE IN MY LIFETIME THAT WE 377 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:54,171 >> I HOPE IN MY LIFETIME THAT WE FIND OUT WHAT THESE ANCHORS ARE. 378 00:12:54,173 --> 00:12:55,139 FIND OUT WHAT THESE ANCHORS ARE. THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS 379 00:12:55,141 --> 00:12:56,574 THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS INTERVIEW. 380 00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:57,708 INTERVIEW. THESE ARE A COUPLE OF 381 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:58,576 THESE ARE A COUPLE OF STONE ANCHORS. 382 00:12:58,578 --> 00:12:59,577 STONE ANCHORS. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ONE 383 00:12:59,579 --> 00:13:00,578 THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ONE I FOUND. 384 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:02,013 I FOUND. IT WEIGHED 280 POUNDS. 385 00:13:02,015 --> 00:13:03,114 IT WEIGHED 280 POUNDS. WE BROUGHT THIS ONE UP, 386 00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:04,582 WE BROUGHT THIS ONE UP, AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING 387 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:05,483 AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AROUND, AND WE FOUND MORE, 388 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:07,318 AROUND, AND WE FOUND MORE, AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 35 OR 40 389 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,420 AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 35 OR 40 STONES OUT THERE. 390 00:13:09,422 --> 00:13:11,355 STONES OUT THERE. >> I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT 391 00:13:11,357 --> 00:13:13,190 >> I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE STONES IN PALOS VERDES, 392 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:14,725 THE STONES IN PALOS VERDES, THE MEISTRELL STONES, 393 00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:17,395 THE MEISTRELL STONES, ARE IN FACT ANCHORS 394 00:13:17,397 --> 00:13:19,196 ARE IN FACT ANCHORS OF VARIOUS FORMS, 395 00:13:19,198 --> 00:13:20,197 OF VARIOUS FORMS, BOTH WEIGHT ANCHORS 396 00:13:20,199 --> 00:13:21,999 BOTH WEIGHT ANCHORS AND COMPOUND ANCHORS. 397 00:13:22,001 --> 00:13:22,833 AND COMPOUND ANCHORS. >> narrator: ARCHAEOLOGIST 398 00:13:22,835 --> 00:13:24,368 >> narrator: ARCHAEOLOGIST LARRY PIERSON WAS AMONG 399 00:13:24,370 --> 00:13:26,270 LARRY PIERSON WAS AMONG THE FIRST TO EXAMINE THE STONES 400 00:13:26,272 --> 00:13:28,005 THE FIRST TO EXAMINE THE STONES AND PERFORM WHAT'S CALLED 401 00:13:28,007 --> 00:13:30,875 AND PERFORM WHAT'S CALLED A LITHOLOGICAL ANALYSIS. 402 00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:32,510 A LITHOLOGICAL ANALYSIS. >> IT'S A COMPARISON OF 403 00:13:32,512 --> 00:13:35,613 >> IT'S A COMPARISON OF MICROFOSSILS FROM KNOWN SOURCES 404 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:38,416 MICROFOSSILS FROM KNOWN SOURCES WITH THE MICROFOSSILS IN THE 405 00:13:38,418 --> 00:13:39,917 WITH THE MICROFOSSILS IN THE STONE SAMPLES FROM THE ANCHORS 406 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:41,252 STONE SAMPLES FROM THE ANCHORS THEMSELVES. 407 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:42,620 THEMSELVES. WE WERE TRYING TO IDENTIFY 408 00:13:42,622 --> 00:13:44,422 WE WERE TRYING TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC QUARRIES THAT 409 00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:46,757 SPECIFIC QUARRIES THAT THE STONES MAY HAVE COME FROM. 410 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,125 THE STONES MAY HAVE COME FROM. THE RESULTS WERE THAT THESE 411 00:13:48,127 --> 00:13:49,627 THE RESULTS WERE THAT THESE STONES CAME FROM THE COAST 412 00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:53,197 STONES CAME FROM THE COAST OF CHINA. 413 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:55,633 OF CHINA. WE WERE NOT TERRIBLY SURPRISED 414 00:13:55,635 --> 00:13:57,468 WE WERE NOT TERRIBLY SURPRISED ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE STONES. 415 00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:59,937 ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE STONES. THE STYLE EXTENDED BACK TO 416 00:13:59,939 --> 00:14:02,139 THE STYLE EXTENDED BACK TO AN EARLY PERIOD, PERHAPS AS 417 00:14:02,141 --> 00:14:04,074 AN EARLY PERIOD, PERHAPS AS EARLY AS THE HAN DYNASTY, 418 00:14:04,076 --> 00:14:06,777 EARLY AS THE HAN DYNASTY, ABOUT THE TIME OF CHRIST. 419 00:14:06,779 --> 00:14:08,145 ABOUT THE TIME OF CHRIST. >> narrator: ANCHORS THAT LOOKED 420 00:14:08,147 --> 00:14:10,114 >> narrator: ANCHORS THAT LOOKED LIKE THE STONES MEISTRELL FOUND 421 00:14:10,116 --> 00:14:11,882 LIKE THE STONES MEISTRELL FOUND WERE USED DURING THE TIME 422 00:14:11,884 --> 00:14:13,751 WERE USED DURING THE TIME OF HUI SHEN, BUT THEY WERE 423 00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:15,252 OF HUI SHEN, BUT THEY WERE ALSO USED ON CHINESE JUNKS 424 00:14:15,254 --> 00:14:17,888 ALSO USED ON CHINESE JUNKS FROM THE 19TH CENTURY. 425 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:21,425 FROM THE 19TH CENTURY. NOW THERE MAY FINALLY BE A WAY 426 00:14:21,427 --> 00:14:22,827 NOW THERE MAY FINALLY BE A WAY TO LEARN IF THESE ARE ANCIENT 427 00:14:22,829 --> 00:14:25,496 TO LEARN IF THESE ARE ANCIENT CHINESE ANCHORS OR MODERN ONES, 428 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:27,264 CHINESE ANCHORS OR MODERN ONES, THANKS TO A SCIENCE CALLED 429 00:14:27,266 --> 00:14:29,567 THANKS TO A SCIENCE CALLED FORENSIC PETROGRAPHY. 430 00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:31,402 FORENSIC PETROGRAPHY. FORENSIC PETROGRAPHERS LIKE 431 00:14:31,404 --> 00:14:33,704 FORENSIC PETROGRAPHERS LIKE SCOTT WOLTER ARE GEOLOGISTS 432 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:37,675 SCOTT WOLTER ARE GEOLOGISTS WHO DO AUTOPSIES ON ROCKS. 433 00:14:37,677 --> 00:14:38,476 WHO DO AUTOPSIES ON ROCKS. >> HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE 434 00:14:38,478 --> 00:14:39,443 >> HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, 435 00:14:39,445 --> 00:14:41,278 TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, BUT IT STARTS BY TAKING A LOOK 436 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,112 BUT IT STARTS BY TAKING A LOOK AT IT. 437 00:14:42,114 --> 00:14:43,247 AT IT. >> WE'RE GONNA DROP DOWN 438 00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:44,448 >> WE'RE GONNA DROP DOWN THE ANCHOR LINE AND SEE 439 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:45,316 THE ANCHOR LINE AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME OF THESE 440 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,851 IF WE CAN FIND SOME OF THESE STONE ANCHORS. 441 00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:48,452 STONE ANCHORS. >> narrator: RAY ORTIZ HAS SEEN 442 00:14:48,454 --> 00:14:50,688 >> narrator: RAY ORTIZ HAS SEEN AND FILMED THE STONES BEFORE, 443 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:52,690 AND FILMED THE STONES BEFORE, BUT IN RECENT YEARS, KELP HAS 444 00:14:52,692 --> 00:14:54,992 BUT IN RECENT YEARS, KELP HAS BEEN TAKING OVER THE AREA. 445 00:14:54,994 --> 00:14:56,260 BEEN TAKING OVER THE AREA. WHETHER OR NOT HE'LL BE ABLE 446 00:14:56,262 --> 00:14:57,761 WHETHER OR NOT HE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WELL ENOUGH TO GET 447 00:14:57,763 --> 00:15:01,599 TO SEE WELL ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER ANCHOR IS UNCERTAIN. 448 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:02,600 ANOTHER ANCHOR IS UNCERTAIN. >> WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, 449 00:15:02,602 --> 00:15:03,500 >> WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BASICALLY, I GUESS, 450 00:15:03,502 --> 00:15:05,502 BASICALLY, I GUESS, WOULD BE THE HOLE 451 00:15:05,504 --> 00:15:06,704 WOULD BE THE HOLE WHERE THEY RUN THE ROPES THROUGH 452 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:08,372 WHERE THEY RUN THE ROPES THROUGH AND STUFF. 453 00:15:08,374 --> 00:15:09,206 AND STUFF. >> narrator: NONBELIEVERS 454 00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:10,708 >> narrator: NONBELIEVERS IN THE CHINESE ANCHOR THEORY 455 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:12,710 IN THE CHINESE ANCHOR THEORY INSIST THE HOLES IN THE ROCKS 456 00:15:12,712 --> 00:15:14,178 INSIST THE HOLES IN THE ROCKS ARE NATURALLY OCCURRING 457 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:15,479 ARE NATURALLY OCCURRING AND COULD HAVE COME FROM 458 00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:16,547 AND COULD HAVE COME FROM SEA URCHINS. 459 00:15:16,549 --> 00:15:17,715 SEA URCHINS. >> PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, 460 00:15:17,717 --> 00:15:18,716 >> PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, AND THEY SAY, "WELL, MAYBE 461 00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:19,984 AND THEY SAY, "WELL, MAYBE A SEA URCHIN DID IT." 462 00:15:19,986 --> 00:15:21,218 A SEA URCHIN DID IT." A SEA URCHIN DID NOT DO THAT. 463 00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:23,120 A SEA URCHIN DID NOT DO THAT. THIS IS WHAT A SEA URCHIN DOES. 464 00:15:23,122 --> 00:15:24,121 THIS IS WHAT A SEA URCHIN DOES. AND SEA URCHINS LIVE TO BE 465 00:15:24,123 --> 00:15:25,522 AND SEA URCHINS LIVE TO BE 100 YEARS, BUT THAT'S ABOUT 466 00:15:25,524 --> 00:15:26,490 100 YEARS, BUT THAT'S ABOUT AS DEEP AS I'VE SEEN 467 00:15:26,492 --> 00:15:28,192 AS DEEP AS I'VE SEEN ANY OF THEM GO. 468 00:15:28,194 --> 00:15:29,627 ANY OF THEM GO. >> THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND 469 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:31,161 >> THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE PALOS VERDES STONES 470 00:15:31,163 --> 00:15:33,731 THAT THE PALOS VERDES STONES ARE ANCHORS 471 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:35,966 ARE ANCHORS AND THAT THEY'RE CHINESE. 472 00:15:35,968 --> 00:15:37,635 AND THAT THEY'RE CHINESE. >> narrator: BUT HOW OLD 473 00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,471 >> narrator: BUT HOW OLD ARE THEY? 474 00:15:40,473 --> 00:15:42,072 ARE THEY? BACK ON THE BOAT, 475 00:15:42,074 --> 00:15:45,476 BACK ON THE BOAT, ORTIZ DIVES DOWN. 476 00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:47,044 ORTIZ DIVES DOWN. THE OCEAN IS STIRRED UP FROM 477 00:15:47,046 --> 00:15:48,512 THE OCEAN IS STIRRED UP FROM A RECENT STORM. 478 00:15:48,514 --> 00:15:50,648 A RECENT STORM. THAT PLUS THE FOREST OF KELP 479 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:52,583 THAT PLUS THE FOREST OF KELP RISING HIGH ABOVE THE SEAFLOOR 480 00:15:52,585 --> 00:15:55,119 RISING HIGH ABOVE THE SEAFLOOR MAKES THE DIVE DIFFICULT. 481 00:15:55,121 --> 00:16:02,326 >> OH, MAN. YOU COULDN'T FIND A STONE ANCHOR 482 00:16:02,328 --> 00:16:03,193 YOU COULDN'T FIND A STONE ANCHOR DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW 483 00:16:03,195 --> 00:16:04,261 DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW WITH HEADLIGHTS. 484 00:16:04,263 --> 00:16:05,429 WITH HEADLIGHTS. AS SOON AS I GOT TO THE BOTTOM, 485 00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:07,264 AS SOON AS I GOT TO THE BOTTOM, IT WAS PITCH-BLACK, PITCH-BLACK. 486 00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:08,399 IT WAS PITCH-BLACK, PITCH-BLACK. >> YOU DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH 487 00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:09,833 >> YOU DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH GOING DOWN AGAIN, HUH? 488 00:16:09,835 --> 00:16:12,436 GOING DOWN AGAIN, HUH? >> THE SURGE IS REALLY STRONG, 489 00:16:12,438 --> 00:16:14,104 >> THE SURGE IS REALLY STRONG, AND THE DIRT IS JUST SLOSHING 490 00:16:14,106 --> 00:16:15,439 AND THE DIRT IS JUST SLOSHING BACK AND FORTH. 491 00:16:15,441 --> 00:16:17,841 BACK AND FORTH. NO ANCHORS TODAY, GENTLEMEN. 492 00:16:17,843 --> 00:16:18,676 NO ANCHORS TODAY, GENTLEMEN. >> narrator: IT'S 493 00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:20,611 >> narrator: IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT WOLTER 494 00:16:20,613 --> 00:16:22,012 A DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT WOLTER WILL TRY TESTING ONE OF 495 00:16:22,014 --> 00:16:23,881 WILL TRY TESTING ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ANCHORS PULLED OUT 496 00:16:23,883 --> 00:16:25,683 THE ORIGINAL ANCHORS PULLED OUT YEARS AGO. 497 00:16:25,685 --> 00:16:27,217 YEARS AGO. >> THIS IS ONE OF THE SAMPLES 498 00:16:27,219 --> 00:16:28,886 >> THIS IS ONE OF THE SAMPLES THAT WE PREPARED OF 499 00:16:28,888 --> 00:16:30,187 THAT WE PREPARED OF THE SHIP ANCHOR. 500 00:16:30,189 --> 00:16:32,189 THE SHIP ANCHOR. AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE 501 00:16:32,191 --> 00:16:33,924 AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WOULD BE THE OUTSIDE SURFACE 502 00:16:33,926 --> 00:16:36,927 WOULD BE THE OUTSIDE SURFACE OF THE ANCHOR, AND THIS CURVED 503 00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:38,962 OF THE ANCHOR, AND THIS CURVED SURFACE HERE IS THE INSIDE. 504 00:16:38,964 --> 00:16:40,364 SURFACE HERE IS THE INSIDE. >> narrator: THE STONE 505 00:16:40,366 --> 00:16:41,932 >> narrator: THE STONE IS DOLOMITE. 506 00:16:41,934 --> 00:16:43,600 IS DOLOMITE. SHELLS LEFT EMBEDDED IN THE ROCK 507 00:16:43,602 --> 00:16:45,703 SHELLS LEFT EMBEDDED IN THE ROCK PROVE THESE SMALL HOLES 508 00:16:45,705 --> 00:16:48,639 PROVE THESE SMALL HOLES WERE MADE BY SEA CREATURES. 509 00:16:48,641 --> 00:16:50,574 WERE MADE BY SEA CREATURES. WHAT OR WHO MADE THE INTERIOR 510 00:16:50,576 --> 00:16:51,975 WHAT OR WHO MADE THE INTERIOR HOLE OF THE DOUGHNUT-SHAPED 511 00:16:51,977 --> 00:16:55,546 HOLE OF THE DOUGHNUT-SHAPED STONE IS LESS CLEAR. 512 00:16:55,548 --> 00:16:56,980 STONE IS LESS CLEAR. >> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE 513 00:16:56,982 --> 00:16:59,149 >> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT INDICATES A MAN-MADE 514 00:16:59,151 --> 00:17:00,718 THAT INDICATES A MAN-MADE ORIGIN DEFINITIVELY. 515 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,119 ORIGIN DEFINITIVELY. THERE'S NO WEATHERING PROFILE. 516 00:17:02,121 --> 00:17:03,320 THERE'S NO WEATHERING PROFILE. IT DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO SAY 517 00:17:03,322 --> 00:17:04,955 IT DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE AGE. 518 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:06,090 ANYTHING ABOUT THE AGE. I CAN ONLY DEDUCE THAT 519 00:17:06,092 --> 00:17:07,291 I CAN ONLY DEDUCE THAT THEY WERE MAN-MADE. 520 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:09,226 THEY WERE MAN-MADE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING DIRECTLY. 521 00:17:09,228 --> 00:17:11,328 I DON'T SEE ANYTHING DIRECTLY. I CAN'T IMAGINE A NATURAL 522 00:17:11,330 --> 00:17:12,830 I CAN'T IMAGINE A NATURAL OCCURRENCE LIKE THAT. 523 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:14,732 OCCURRENCE LIKE THAT. MAYBE--MAYBE ONE OR TWO MIGHT 524 00:17:14,734 --> 00:17:15,933 MAYBE--MAYBE ONE OR TWO MIGHT SHOW UP IN SOME NATURAL 525 00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:17,735 SHOW UP IN SOME NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, BUT BASED ON WHAT 526 00:17:17,737 --> 00:17:19,403 ENVIRONMENT, BUT BASED ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S DOZENS 527 00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:21,305 I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S DOZENS OF THESE THINGS ALL IN A LOCAL 528 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:23,607 OF THESE THINGS ALL IN A LOCAL AREA THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY 529 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:24,842 AREA THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY INDIGENOUS TO WHERE THEY WERE 530 00:17:24,844 --> 00:17:26,176 INDIGENOUS TO WHERE THEY WERE FOUND. 531 00:17:26,178 --> 00:17:27,611 FOUND. THAT IMPLIES A MAN-MADE ORIGIN 532 00:17:27,613 --> 00:17:28,679 THAT IMPLIES A MAN-MADE ORIGIN TO ME. 533 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:29,847 TO ME. THE BURDEN OF PROOF, I GUESS, 534 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:31,014 THE BURDEN OF PROOF, I GUESS, IS ON SOMEBODY WHO WANTS 535 00:17:31,016 --> 00:17:32,282 IS ON SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO TRY TO PROVE THAT 536 00:17:32,284 --> 00:17:34,985 TO TRY TO PROVE THAT THAT'S NOT MAN-MADE. 537 00:17:34,987 --> 00:17:41,859 >> narrator: MAN-MADE OR NOT, NAUTICAL ARCHAEOLOGIST 538 00:17:41,861 --> 00:17:43,127 NAUTICAL ARCHAEOLOGIST JAMES DELGADO SAYS THERE'S 539 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:45,295 JAMES DELGADO SAYS THERE'S NO WAY THESE ARE ANCHORS FROM 540 00:17:45,297 --> 00:17:48,632 NO WAY THESE ARE ANCHORS FROM ANY FIFTH-CENTURY CHINESE SHIP. 541 00:17:48,634 --> 00:17:50,134 ANY FIFTH-CENTURY CHINESE SHIP. >> AT THE TIME THE HUI SHEN 542 00:17:50,136 --> 00:17:51,135 >> AT THE TIME THE HUI SHEN VOYAGES WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 543 00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:53,137 VOYAGES WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAPPENED, THE ONLY WAY HE COULD 544 00:17:53,139 --> 00:17:54,638 HAPPENED, THE ONLY WAY HE COULD HAVE SAILED TO THE NEW WORLD 545 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,206 HAVE SAILED TO THE NEW WORLD WAS TO HAVE HITCHED A RIDE ON 546 00:17:56,208 --> 00:17:57,708 WAS TO HAVE HITCHED A RIDE ON AN ARAB BOAT. 547 00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:59,042 AN ARAB BOAT. THE ANCIENT CHINESE BUILT 548 00:17:59,044 --> 00:18:00,644 THE ANCIENT CHINESE BUILT MAGNIFICENT VESSELS THAT 549 00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:02,179 MAGNIFICENT VESSELS THAT NAVIGATED ON THE RIVERS, 550 00:18:02,181 --> 00:18:03,313 NAVIGATED ON THE RIVERS, BUT THEY DIDN'T BUILD 551 00:18:03,315 --> 00:18:04,781 BUT THEY DIDN'T BUILD SEAGOING CRAFT. 552 00:18:04,783 --> 00:18:05,782 SEAGOING CRAFT. THE ARABS WERE THE GREAT 553 00:18:05,784 --> 00:18:08,018 THE ARABS WERE THE GREAT SEAFARING POWER OF THAT TIME. 554 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:09,019 SEAFARING POWER OF THAT TIME. >> narrator: AND YOU WOULDN'T 555 00:18:09,021 --> 00:18:10,888 >> narrator: AND YOU WOULDN'T FIND CHINESE-STYLE SHIP ANCHORS 556 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:13,557 FIND CHINESE-STYLE SHIP ANCHORS ON AN ARAB BOAT, IF THAT IS WHAT 557 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:16,927 ON AN ARAB BOAT, IF THAT IS WHAT HUI SHEN TOOK TO GET TO AMERICA. 558 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:18,562 HUI SHEN TOOK TO GET TO AMERICA. >> THE ARAB DHOW IS A LONG 559 00:18:18,564 --> 00:18:20,631 >> THE ARAB DHOW IS A LONG SLEEK VESSEL BUILT OF WOOD 560 00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:22,399 SLEEK VESSEL BUILT OF WOOD THAT CARRIES LATEEN SAILS 561 00:18:22,401 --> 00:18:23,567 THAT CARRIES LATEEN SAILS THAT SWING AND ARE MORE 562 00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:25,068 THAT SWING AND ARE MORE MANEUVERABLE, SO THEY CAN 563 00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:26,003 MANEUVERABLE, SO THEY CAN CATCH A WIND. 564 00:18:26,005 --> 00:18:26,904 CATCH A WIND. THEY CAN MOVE. 565 00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:27,804 THEY CAN MOVE. THEY CAN TACK. 566 00:18:27,806 --> 00:18:29,039 THEY CAN TACK. THEY CAN FOLLOW A COAST, 567 00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:30,307 THEY CAN FOLLOW A COAST, AND THEY CAN ALSO SAIL 568 00:18:30,309 --> 00:18:32,376 AND THEY CAN ALSO SAIL OVER LARGE BODIES OF WATER. 569 00:18:32,378 --> 00:18:33,577 OVER LARGE BODIES OF WATER. >> narrator: ARAB DHOWS COULD 570 00:18:33,579 --> 00:18:36,213 >> narrator: ARAB DHOWS COULD REACH SPEEDS OF 8 OR 9 KNOTS 571 00:18:36,215 --> 00:18:37,915 REACH SPEEDS OF 8 OR 9 KNOTS AND WERE FIXTURES IN AND AROUND 572 00:18:37,917 --> 00:18:39,550 AND WERE FIXTURES IN AND AROUND THE INDIAN OCEAN IN MEDIEVAL 573 00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:42,119 THE INDIAN OCEAN IN MEDIEVAL TIMES AND BEYOND. 574 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,154 TIMES AND BEYOND. SO IF THESE ARE CHINESE SHIP 575 00:18:44,156 --> 00:18:45,489 SO IF THESE ARE CHINESE SHIP ANCHORS AND THEY'RE NOT FROM 576 00:18:45,491 --> 00:18:47,024 ANCHORS AND THEY'RE NOT FROM HUI SHEN'S VOYAGE, 577 00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:49,192 HUI SHEN'S VOYAGE, WHEN WERE THEY LOST? 578 00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:51,194 WHEN WERE THEY LOST? >> THE PALOS VERDES STONES 579 00:18:51,196 --> 00:18:54,565 >> THE PALOS VERDES STONES PROBABLY REPRESENT ACCIDENTAL 580 00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:58,835 PROBABLY REPRESENT ACCIDENTAL ANCHOR LOSS FROM 19TH-CENTURY 581 00:18:58,837 --> 00:19:01,238 ANCHOR LOSS FROM 19TH-CENTURY CHINESE FISHING VESSELS. 582 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,339 CHINESE FISHING VESSELS. >> narrator: IN THE SECOND HALF 583 00:19:02,341 --> 00:19:04,074 >> narrator: IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE 19TH CENTURY, 584 00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:05,943 OF THE 19TH CENTURY, CHINESE JUNKS DID FISH 585 00:19:05,945 --> 00:19:07,945 CHINESE JUNKS DID FISH OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA, 586 00:19:07,947 --> 00:19:09,179 OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA, OFFERING A REASONABLE 587 00:19:09,181 --> 00:19:11,014 OFFERING A REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR THE DOZENS OF 588 00:19:11,016 --> 00:19:12,449 EXPLANATION FOR THE DOZENS OF DOUGHNUT-LIKE STONES LEFT 589 00:19:12,451 --> 00:19:16,586 DOUGHNUT-LIKE STONES LEFT ON THE SEAFLOOR. 590 00:19:16,588 --> 00:19:17,721 ON THE SEAFLOOR. THERE IS EVIDENCE 591 00:19:17,723 --> 00:19:19,523 THERE IS EVIDENCE FOR AND AGAINST THE THEORY THAT 592 00:19:19,525 --> 00:19:20,557 FOR AND AGAINST THE THEORY THAT THE CHINESE REACHED 593 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,026 THE CHINESE REACHED THE NEW WORLD BEFORE COLUMBUS, 594 00:19:23,028 --> 00:19:25,195 THE NEW WORLD BEFORE COLUMBUS, BUT THE SEARCH GOES ON FOR WHO 595 00:19:25,197 --> 00:19:26,363 BUT THE SEARCH GOES ON FOR WHO COULD HAVE DISCOVERED AMERICA 596 00:19:26,365 --> 00:19:28,398 COULD HAVE DISCOVERED AMERICA EVEN EARLIER. 597 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,734 EVEN EARLIER. DOTTING THE AMERICAN LANDSCAPE, 598 00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:32,436 DOTTING THE AMERICAN LANDSCAPE, CLUES THAT COLONIZATION OF 599 00:19:32,438 --> 00:19:34,538 CLUES THAT COLONIZATION OF THE COUNTRY BEGAN NOT HUNDREDS 600 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:37,040 THE COUNTRY BEGAN NOT HUNDREDS BUT THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. 601 00:19:37,042 --> 00:19:39,242 BUT THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST, 602 00:19:39,244 --> 00:19:41,211 FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST, IN ALL MANNER OF CRAFT, 603 00:19:41,213 --> 00:19:43,347 IN ALL MANNER OF CRAFT, WHO CAME, WHO WENT, 604 00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:45,916 WHO CAME, WHO WENT, AND WHO STAYED? 605 00:19:45,918 --> 00:20:01,715 >> narrator: WALES, 1150 A.D., 342 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 606 00:20:01,717 --> 00:20:03,116 342 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 607 00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:04,651 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, THE TEMPLE OF ANGKOR WAT 608 00:20:04,653 --> 00:20:06,486 THE TEMPLE OF ANGKOR WAT IS COMPLETED IN CAMBODIA, 609 00:20:06,488 --> 00:20:07,821 IS COMPLETED IN CAMBODIA, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF PARIS 610 00:20:07,823 --> 00:20:09,956 AND THE UNIVERSITY OF PARIS IS FOUNDED IN FRANCE. 611 00:20:09,958 --> 00:20:11,491 IS FOUNDED IN FRANCE. IN SNOWDONIA, WALES, 612 00:20:11,493 --> 00:20:13,160 IN SNOWDONIA, WALES, PRINCE MADOC AB OWAIN GWYNEDD 613 00:20:13,162 --> 00:20:14,661 PRINCE MADOC AB OWAIN GWYNEDD IS BORN. 614 00:20:14,663 --> 00:20:16,496 IS BORN. LEGEND SAYS, 20 YEARS LATER, 615 00:20:16,498 --> 00:20:18,365 LEGEND SAYS, 20 YEARS LATER, HE SET SAIL FROM RHOS-ON-SEA 616 00:20:18,367 --> 00:20:19,633 HE SET SAIL FROM RHOS-ON-SEA IN SEARCH OF LAND 617 00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:23,837 IN SEARCH OF LAND TO CALL HIS OWN. 618 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:24,971 TO CALL HIS OWN. >> THE LEGEND OF HIM LEAVING 619 00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:26,807 >> THE LEGEND OF HIM LEAVING FROM HERE TO GO TO AMERICA 620 00:20:26,809 --> 00:20:28,842 FROM HERE TO GO TO AMERICA ORIGINATED IN MYTHOLOGY. 621 00:20:28,844 --> 00:20:30,343 ORIGINATED IN MYTHOLOGY. IN A WAY, THE STORY 622 00:20:30,345 --> 00:20:31,311 IN A WAY, THE STORY WAS HANDED DOWN FROM 623 00:20:31,313 --> 00:20:35,615 WAS HANDED DOWN FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION. 624 00:20:35,617 --> 00:20:37,551 GENERATION TO GENERATION. >> MOST OF THE ANCIENT POETRY 625 00:20:37,553 --> 00:20:40,187 >> MOST OF THE ANCIENT POETRY IN WALES WHICH REFERS TO IT, 626 00:20:40,189 --> 00:20:42,122 IN WALES WHICH REFERS TO IT, CERTAINLY PRIOR TO COLUMBUS'S 627 00:20:42,124 --> 00:20:44,691 CERTAINLY PRIOR TO COLUMBUS'S TIME, HAS REFERENCES NOT OF 628 00:20:44,693 --> 00:20:46,126 TIME, HAS REFERENCES NOT OF MADOC GOING TO AMERICA, SINCE 629 00:20:46,128 --> 00:20:47,527 MADOC GOING TO AMERICA, SINCE PEOPLE HAD NO PERCEPTION OF 630 00:20:47,529 --> 00:20:49,429 PEOPLE HAD NO PERCEPTION OF AMERICA, JUST THAT HE WAS 631 00:20:49,431 --> 00:20:50,997 AMERICA, JUST THAT HE WAS A BOLD AND COURAGEOUS SAILOR WHO 632 00:20:50,999 --> 00:20:52,599 A BOLD AND COURAGEOUS SAILOR WHO WENT SOMEWHERE A LONG DISTANCE 633 00:20:52,601 --> 00:20:54,901 WENT SOMEWHERE A LONG DISTANCE AWAY ACROSS THE GREAT SEA. 634 00:20:54,903 --> 00:20:56,369 AWAY ACROSS THE GREAT SEA. >> narrator: THE IDEA THAT MADOC 635 00:20:56,371 --> 00:20:58,171 >> narrator: THE IDEA THAT MADOC DISCOVERED AMERICA DIDN'T BECOME 636 00:20:58,173 --> 00:20:59,372 DISCOVERED AMERICA DIDN'T BECOME PART OF THE LEGEND UNTIL 637 00:20:59,374 --> 00:21:01,374 PART OF THE LEGEND UNTIL THE MID-1500s. 638 00:21:01,376 --> 00:21:02,909 THE MID-1500s. ITS SUDDEN INCLUSION CAME 639 00:21:02,911 --> 00:21:04,911 ITS SUDDEN INCLUSION CAME AT A TIME WHEN QUEEN ELIZABETH 640 00:21:04,913 --> 00:21:06,880 AT A TIME WHEN QUEEN ELIZABETH WAS TRYING TO PROVE THE BRITISH, 641 00:21:06,882 --> 00:21:08,215 WAS TRYING TO PROVE THE BRITISH, NOT THE SPANISH, 642 00:21:08,217 --> 00:21:11,017 NOT THE SPANISH, MADE IT TO AMERICA FIRST. 643 00:21:11,019 --> 00:21:12,953 MADE IT TO AMERICA FIRST. >> AS THINGS ARE PASSED ON 644 00:21:12,955 --> 00:21:13,887 >> AS THINGS ARE PASSED ON THROUGH THE GENERATIONS, 645 00:21:13,889 --> 00:21:14,888 THROUGH THE GENERATIONS, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THERE WILL 646 00:21:14,890 --> 00:21:17,724 THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THERE WILL BE EMBELLISHMENT AND CHANGE. 647 00:21:17,726 --> 00:21:19,860 BE EMBELLISHMENT AND CHANGE. >> narrator: TODAY THE LEGEND 648 00:21:19,862 --> 00:21:21,394 >> narrator: TODAY THE LEGEND HAS GROWN EVEN MORE. 649 00:21:21,396 --> 00:21:23,363 HAS GROWN EVEN MORE. SOME BELIEVE MADOC AND A PARTY 650 00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:26,566 SOME BELIEVE MADOC AND A PARTY OF COLONISTS LEFT WALES IN 1170 651 00:21:26,568 --> 00:21:28,702 OF COLONISTS LEFT WALES IN 1170 ON A SHIP CALLED THE GWENAN GORN 652 00:21:28,704 --> 00:21:30,170 ON A SHIP CALLED THE GWENAN GORN AND SAILED ALL THE WAY TO 653 00:21:30,172 --> 00:21:33,373 AND SAILED ALL THE WAY TO MOBILE BAY, ALABAMA. 654 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,274 MOBILE BAY, ALABAMA. >> WHAT TYPE OF VESSEL 655 00:21:34,276 --> 00:21:35,242 >> WHAT TYPE OF VESSEL WOULD MADOC HAVE USED 656 00:21:35,244 --> 00:21:36,576 WOULD MADOC HAVE USED IF HE HAD DONE THIS? 657 00:21:36,578 --> 00:21:38,411 IF HE HAD DONE THIS? MOST LIKELY A SAXON SHIP, 658 00:21:38,413 --> 00:21:40,981 MOST LIKELY A SAXON SHIP, VERY MUCH LIKE A VIKING SHIP, 659 00:21:40,983 --> 00:21:41,982 VERY MUCH LIKE A VIKING SHIP, A LARGE ROWBOAT, 660 00:21:41,984 --> 00:21:44,417 A LARGE ROWBOAT, HEAVILY FASTENED AND BUILT. 661 00:21:44,419 --> 00:21:45,385 HEAVILY FASTENED AND BUILT. >> narrator: SAXON SHIPS WERE 662 00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:46,786 >> narrator: SAXON SHIPS WERE CLINKER BUILT, MEANING 663 00:21:46,788 --> 00:21:48,388 CLINKER BUILT, MEANING BUILT WITH HEAVY WOOD PLANKS 664 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,056 BUILT WITH HEAVY WOOD PLANKS OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER. 665 00:21:50,058 --> 00:21:51,391 OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER. THOUGH THE LEGEND SUGGESTS 666 00:21:51,393 --> 00:21:53,994 THOUGH THE LEGEND SUGGESTS MADOC USED STAG HORNS FOR NAILS, 667 00:21:53,996 --> 00:21:54,995 MADOC USED STAG HORNS FOR NAILS, IRON RIVETS WOULD HAVE BEEN 668 00:21:54,997 --> 00:21:57,230 IRON RIVETS WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CONVENTIONAL. 669 00:21:57,232 --> 00:21:58,732 MORE CONVENTIONAL. A SAXON SHIP WOULD HAVE HAD 670 00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:00,433 A SAXON SHIP WOULD HAVE HAD A STEERING OAR AND AN ESTIMATED 671 00:22:00,435 --> 00:22:02,202 A STEERING OAR AND AN ESTIMATED 15 SETS OF ROWLOCKS 672 00:22:02,204 --> 00:22:03,904 15 SETS OF ROWLOCKS AND 30 OARS TO HELP BATTLE 673 00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:07,207 AND 30 OARS TO HELP BATTLE AN UNFAVORABLE WIND. 674 00:22:07,209 --> 00:22:09,242 AN UNFAVORABLE WIND. IN THE 1950s, THE DAUGHTERS 675 00:22:09,244 --> 00:22:10,744 IN THE 1950s, THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION 676 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:12,178 OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION PLACED A PLAQUE IN MOBILE 677 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:14,414 PLACED A PLAQUE IN MOBILE COMMEMORATING MADOC'S DISCOVERY 678 00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:15,916 COMMEMORATING MADOC'S DISCOVERY OF AMERICA. 679 00:22:15,918 --> 00:22:17,784 OF AMERICA. IT'S SINCE BEEN REMOVED 680 00:22:17,786 --> 00:22:19,853 IT'S SINCE BEEN REMOVED TO THE CHAGRIN OF THE ALABAMA 681 00:22:19,855 --> 00:22:21,922 TO THE CHAGRIN OF THE ALABAMA WELSH ASSOCIATION. 682 00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:22,956 WELSH ASSOCIATION. >> WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY 683 00:22:22,958 --> 00:22:24,457 >> WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS 684 00:22:24,459 --> 00:22:27,227 FROM CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DISCOVERING AMERICA IN 1492, 685 00:22:27,229 --> 00:22:29,429 DISCOVERING AMERICA IN 1492, BUT WE DO WANT TO KNOW 686 00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:33,266 BUT WE DO WANT TO KNOW OUR REAL HERITAGE. 687 00:22:33,268 --> 00:22:35,468 OUR REAL HERITAGE. >> THEY BEGAN THEIR TREK INLAND 688 00:22:35,470 --> 00:22:37,304 >> THEY BEGAN THEIR TREK INLAND ALONG THE ALABAMA RIVER 689 00:22:37,306 --> 00:22:38,805 ALONG THE ALABAMA RIVER TO THE COOSA RIVER, 690 00:22:38,807 --> 00:22:40,307 TO THE COOSA RIVER, UP TO THIS LOCATION HERE, 691 00:22:40,309 --> 00:22:41,875 UP TO THIS LOCATION HERE, DESOTO FALLS. 692 00:22:41,877 --> 00:22:43,476 DESOTO FALLS. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES 693 00:22:43,478 --> 00:22:44,978 AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THE WELSH BUILT 694 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:46,446 WHERE THE WELSH BUILT A FORTIFICATION. 695 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:48,481 A FORTIFICATION. >> narrator: THESE HALF-BURIED 696 00:22:48,483 --> 00:22:50,083 >> narrator: THESE HALF-BURIED STONES ABOVE WHAT'S NICKNAMED 697 00:22:50,085 --> 00:22:52,319 STONES ABOVE WHAT'S NICKNAMED THE WELSH CAVES ARE ALL THAT ARE 698 00:22:52,321 --> 00:22:53,620 THE WELSH CAVES ARE ALL THAT ARE LEFT OF ONE OF MADOC'S 699 00:22:53,622 --> 00:22:56,289 LEFT OF ONE OF MADOC'S ALLEGED FORTS. 700 00:22:56,291 --> 00:22:58,124 ALLEGED FORTS. BELIEVERS SAY ITS LAYOUT 701 00:22:58,126 --> 00:22:59,492 BELIEVERS SAY ITS LAYOUT BEARS A STRIKING RESEMBLANCE 702 00:22:59,494 --> 00:23:00,960 BEARS A STRIKING RESEMBLANCE TO THE FOOTPRINT OF DOLWYDDELAN 703 00:23:00,962 --> 00:23:02,495 TO THE FOOTPRINT OF DOLWYDDELAN CASTLE WHERE MADOC WAS 704 00:23:02,497 --> 00:23:04,264 CASTLE WHERE MADOC WAS SUPPOSEDLY BORN. 705 00:23:04,266 --> 00:23:05,665 SUPPOSEDLY BORN. TODAY THERE'S NO WAY 706 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:08,268 TODAY THERE'S NO WAY TO COMPARE. 707 00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:09,135 TO COMPARE. >> THE ORIGINAL CASTLE IS 708 00:23:09,137 --> 00:23:10,136 >> THE ORIGINAL CASTLE IS PROBABLY LOST IN THE FOUNDATIONS 709 00:23:10,138 --> 00:23:12,072 PROBABLY LOST IN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS ONE. 710 00:23:12,074 --> 00:23:13,006 OF THIS ONE. >> narrator: DOLWYDDELAN WAS 711 00:23:13,008 --> 00:23:14,774 >> narrator: DOLWYDDELAN WAS REBUILT, MAKING A COMPARISON 712 00:23:14,776 --> 00:23:16,276 REBUILT, MAKING A COMPARISON IMPOSSIBLE. 713 00:23:16,278 --> 00:23:17,644 IMPOSSIBLE. THAT'S ONE PROBLEM. 714 00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:19,479 THAT'S ONE PROBLEM. THE OTHER IS WHY AMERICANS 715 00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:20,580 THE OTHER IS WHY AMERICANS THINK MADOC WAS BORN AT 716 00:23:20,582 --> 00:23:22,282 THINK MADOC WAS BORN AT DOLWYDDELAN AT ALL. 717 00:23:22,284 --> 00:23:23,817 DOLWYDDELAN AT ALL. >> THERE IS NO EARLY EVIDENCE 718 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:25,585 >> THERE IS NO EARLY EVIDENCE OR LOCAL TRADITION THAT MADOC 719 00:23:25,587 --> 00:23:27,287 OR LOCAL TRADITION THAT MADOC WAS BORN IN DOLWYDDELAN. 720 00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:28,988 WAS BORN IN DOLWYDDELAN. THERE IS A LOCAL TRADITION THAT 721 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:30,690 THERE IS A LOCAL TRADITION THAT HIS NEPHEW LLYWELYN FAWR WAS 722 00:23:30,692 --> 00:23:31,791 HIS NEPHEW LLYWELYN FAWR WAS BORN HERE, 723 00:23:31,793 --> 00:23:33,026 BORN HERE, CERTAINLY NOT IN THIS CASTLE 724 00:23:33,028 --> 00:23:34,294 CERTAINLY NOT IN THIS CASTLE BECAUSE LLYWELYN FAWR 725 00:23:34,296 --> 00:23:35,061 BECAUSE LLYWELYN FAWR BUILT THIS. 726 00:23:35,063 --> 00:23:36,529 BUILT THIS. IF HE WAS BORN ANYWHERE, 727 00:23:36,531 --> 00:23:38,331 IF HE WAS BORN ANYWHERE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SMALL 728 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:39,966 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SMALL HILLOCK IN THE VALLEY BOTTOM 729 00:23:39,968 --> 00:23:40,800 HILLOCK IN THE VALLEY BOTTOM THERE WHERE THERE WAS 730 00:23:40,802 --> 00:23:44,871 THERE WHERE THERE WAS A SMALL TOWER. 731 00:23:44,873 --> 00:23:45,872 A SMALL TOWER. >> narrator: MADOC ALSO GETS 732 00:23:45,874 --> 00:23:47,540 >> narrator: MADOC ALSO GETS CREDIT FROM THE LOCALS FOR THIS 733 00:23:47,542 --> 00:23:50,310 CREDIT FROM THE LOCALS FOR THIS SITE IN FORT MOUNTAIN, GEORGIA. 734 00:23:50,312 --> 00:23:52,045 SITE IN FORT MOUNTAIN, GEORGIA. LEGENDS OF THE CHEROKEE NATIVES 735 00:23:52,047 --> 00:23:53,980 LEGENDS OF THE CHEROKEE NATIVES IN THE AREA SAY BLONDE-HAIRED, 736 00:23:53,982 --> 00:23:56,182 IN THE AREA SAY BLONDE-HAIRED, MOON-EYED PEOPLE BUILT IT, 737 00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:57,851 MOON-EYED PEOPLE BUILT IT, ALTHOUGH ACCEPTED ARCHAEOLOGY 738 00:23:57,853 --> 00:23:59,552 ALTHOUGH ACCEPTED ARCHAEOLOGY SUGGESTS THE NATIVES THEMSELVES 739 00:23:59,554 --> 00:24:02,021 SUGGESTS THE NATIVES THEMSELVES ARE RESPONSIBLE. 740 00:24:02,023 --> 00:24:03,189 ARE RESPONSIBLE. WHETHER OR NOT MADOC MADE 741 00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:04,891 WHETHER OR NOT MADOC MADE CONTACT WITH THE CHEROKEE, 742 00:24:04,893 --> 00:24:06,693 CONTACT WITH THE CHEROKEE, HIS WELSH PARTY IS MOST OFTEN 743 00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:07,794 HIS WELSH PARTY IS MOST OFTEN ASSOCIATED WITH 744 00:24:07,796 --> 00:24:09,395 ASSOCIATED WITH A DIFFERENT TRIBE. 745 00:24:09,397 --> 00:24:11,331 A DIFFERENT TRIBE. >> WELL, THE LEGEND GOES THAT 746 00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:12,532 >> WELL, THE LEGEND GOES THAT THEY ASSIMILATED INTO THE MANDAN 747 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:14,567 THEY ASSIMILATED INTO THE MANDAN GROUP. 748 00:24:14,569 --> 00:24:15,768 GROUP. >> narrator: THE MANDAN TRIBE 749 00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:17,337 >> narrator: THE MANDAN TRIBE ORIGINATED IN THE OHIO 750 00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:18,705 ORIGINATED IN THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY. 751 00:24:18,707 --> 00:24:20,740 RIVER VALLEY. IF MADOC'S WELSH PARTY CONTINUED 752 00:24:20,742 --> 00:24:22,208 IF MADOC'S WELSH PARTY CONTINUED TRAVELING NORTHWEST FROM THE 753 00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:24,477 TRAVELING NORTHWEST FROM THE FORT MOUNTAIN SITE IN GEORGIA, 754 00:24:24,479 --> 00:24:27,347 FORT MOUNTAIN SITE IN GEORGIA, THE TWO GROUPS COULD HAVE MET. 755 00:24:27,349 --> 00:24:29,215 THE TWO GROUPS COULD HAVE MET. ARTIST GEORGE CATLIN, 756 00:24:29,217 --> 00:24:31,217 ARTIST GEORGE CATLIN, WHO SPENT TIME WITH THE MANDAN, 757 00:24:31,219 --> 00:24:32,485 WHO SPENT TIME WITH THE MANDAN, THOUGHT THEY DID MORE 758 00:24:32,487 --> 00:24:33,786 THOUGHT THEY DID MORE THAN JUST MEET. 759 00:24:33,788 --> 00:24:36,389 THAN JUST MEET. HE THOUGHT THEY INTERMINGLED. 760 00:24:36,391 --> 00:24:37,924 HE THOUGHT THEY INTERMINGLED. CATLIN WAS STRUCK BY THE 761 00:24:37,926 --> 00:24:39,726 CATLIN WAS STRUCK BY THE MANDANS' EUROPEAN FEATURES 762 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,928 MANDANS' EUROPEAN FEATURES WHILE PAINTING THEIR PORTRAITS. 763 00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:43,563 WHILE PAINTING THEIR PORTRAITS. HE ALSO NOTED SIMILARITIES IN 764 00:24:43,565 --> 00:24:45,365 HE ALSO NOTED SIMILARITIES IN BOATS BOTH THE MANDAN AND 765 00:24:45,367 --> 00:24:46,933 BOATS BOTH THE MANDAN AND THE WELSH USED FOR NAVIGATING 766 00:24:46,935 --> 00:24:48,902 THE WELSH USED FOR NAVIGATING THE RIVER SYSTEM. 767 00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:50,403 THE RIVER SYSTEM. >> GEORGE CATLIN DREW PICTURES 768 00:24:50,405 --> 00:24:51,905 >> GEORGE CATLIN DREW PICTURES SHOWING THE BOATS THAT THEY 769 00:24:51,907 --> 00:24:53,773 SHOWING THE BOATS THAT THEY USED, WHICH WERE VERY SIMILAR 770 00:24:53,775 --> 00:24:56,109 USED, WHICH WERE VERY SIMILAR TO THE WELSH CORACLE. 771 00:24:56,111 --> 00:24:57,410 TO THE WELSH CORACLE. >> narrator: THE LEGEND OF 772 00:24:57,412 --> 00:24:59,112 >> narrator: THE LEGEND OF THE WELSH INDIANS WAS POPULAR 773 00:24:59,114 --> 00:25:00,547 THE WELSH INDIANS WAS POPULAR EVEN BEFORE THE TIME 774 00:25:00,549 --> 00:25:01,748 EVEN BEFORE THE TIME CATLIN LIVED AND WORKED 775 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,150 CATLIN LIVED AND WORKED AMONG THEM IN 1833. 776 00:25:04,152 --> 00:25:05,785 AMONG THEM IN 1833. PRESIDENT THOMAS JEFFERSON HAD 777 00:25:05,787 --> 00:25:07,554 PRESIDENT THOMAS JEFFERSON HAD HEARD OF THEM 30 YEARS PRIOR 778 00:25:07,556 --> 00:25:10,123 HEARD OF THEM 30 YEARS PRIOR AND, IN 1804, ASKED LEWIS 779 00:25:10,125 --> 00:25:11,124 AND, IN 1804, ASKED LEWIS AND CLARK TO KEEP THEIR 780 00:25:11,126 --> 00:25:12,125 AND CLARK TO KEEP THEIR EYES OUT FOR THEM 781 00:25:12,127 --> 00:25:13,927 EYES OUT FOR THEM WHILE EXPLORING THE LAND GAINED 782 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:16,229 WHILE EXPLORING THE LAND GAINED IN THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE. 783 00:25:16,231 --> 00:25:17,630 IN THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE. JEFFERSON HEARD 784 00:25:17,632 --> 00:25:20,199 JEFFERSON HEARD THEY SPOKE WELSH. 785 00:25:20,201 --> 00:25:21,968 THEY SPOKE WELSH. >> IF MADOC HAD ACTUALLY LIVED 786 00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:23,403 >> IF MADOC HAD ACTUALLY LIVED AND MIXED WITH THE MANDANS, 787 00:25:23,405 --> 00:25:24,604 AND MIXED WITH THE MANDANS, IT'S QUITE FEASIBLE THAT 788 00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:25,805 IT'S QUITE FEASIBLE THAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD HAVE PASSED 789 00:25:25,807 --> 00:25:27,273 THE LANGUAGE WOULD HAVE PASSED THROUGH. 790 00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:28,808 THROUGH. >> narrator: AT FIRST GLANCE, 791 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:31,210 >> narrator: AT FIRST GLANCE, SOME WORDS DO APPEAR SIMILAR. 792 00:25:31,212 --> 00:25:33,446 SOME WORDS DO APPEAR SIMILAR. IN MANDAN, THE WORD "TI" 793 00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:34,781 IN MANDAN, THE WORD "TI" MEANS "HOUSE." 794 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:36,282 MEANS "HOUSE." IN WELSH, THE WORD "TY" 795 00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:38,051 IN WELSH, THE WORD "TY" MEANS THE SAME THING. 796 00:25:38,053 --> 00:25:39,118 MEANS THE SAME THING. BUT THAT'S FAR FROM ENOUGH 797 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,219 BUT THAT'S FAR FROM ENOUGH TO CONVINCE LINGUISTS OF 798 00:25:40,221 --> 00:25:42,956 TO CONVINCE LINGUISTS OF A CONNECTION. 799 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,123 A CONNECTION. >> THERE'S NO LINGUISTIC 800 00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:44,991 >> THERE'S NO LINGUISTIC EVIDENCE. 801 00:25:44,993 --> 00:25:45,825 EVIDENCE. THERE'S CLAIM TO BE 802 00:25:45,827 --> 00:25:46,726 THERE'S CLAIM TO BE LINGUISTIC EVIDENCE. 803 00:25:46,728 --> 00:25:48,027 LINGUISTIC EVIDENCE. IN FACT, I'VE ANALYZED MOST 804 00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:50,296 IN FACT, I'VE ANALYZED MOST OF WHAT THERE IS, AND IT'S WHAT 805 00:25:50,298 --> 00:25:53,132 OF WHAT THERE IS, AND IT'S WHAT WE WOULD CALL SPURIOUS. 806 00:25:53,134 --> 00:25:54,467 WE WOULD CALL SPURIOUS. >> narrator: WHILE DNA TESTING 807 00:25:54,469 --> 00:25:56,202 >> narrator: WHILE DNA TESTING OF MANDAN BLOOD COULD BE 808 00:25:56,204 --> 00:25:57,437 OF MANDAN BLOOD COULD BE VALUABLE IN DETERMINING 809 00:25:57,439 --> 00:25:59,005 VALUABLE IN DETERMINING IF THERE IS A WELSH CONNECTION, 810 00:25:59,007 --> 00:26:01,441 IF THERE IS A WELSH CONNECTION, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 811 00:26:01,443 --> 00:26:04,143 IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. IN 1837, A SMALLPOX EPIDEMIC 812 00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:06,479 IN 1837, A SMALLPOX EPIDEMIC WIPED OUT ALL BUT ABOUT 150 813 00:26:06,481 --> 00:26:08,982 WIPED OUT ALL BUT ABOUT 150 OF THE 1,600 MEMBER TRIBE, 814 00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:11,451 OF THE 1,600 MEMBER TRIBE, AND TODAY THERE ARE NO 815 00:26:11,453 --> 00:26:16,489 AND TODAY THERE ARE NO FULL-BLOOD MANDANS LEFT TO TEST. 816 00:26:16,491 --> 00:26:18,324 FULL-BLOOD MANDANS LEFT TO TEST. IN THE END, IT SEEMS THERE 817 00:26:18,326 --> 00:26:20,026 IN THE END, IT SEEMS THERE IS NO PROOF MADOC MADE IT 818 00:26:20,028 --> 00:26:22,228 IS NO PROOF MADOC MADE IT TO AMERICA AT ALL. 819 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:24,030 TO AMERICA AT ALL. THE LEGEND IS PLAGUED NOT JUST 820 00:26:24,032 --> 00:26:26,466 THE LEGEND IS PLAGUED NOT JUST BY A TIDE OF UNCERTAINTY 821 00:26:26,468 --> 00:26:31,938 BY A TIDE OF UNCERTAINTY BUT BY THE TIDE ITSELF. 822 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,473 BUT BY THE TIDE ITSELF. >> I CAN TELL THAT THIS PATH 823 00:26:33,475 --> 00:26:35,742 >> I CAN TELL THAT THIS PATH IS PRETTY UNLIKELY. 824 00:26:35,744 --> 00:26:37,510 IS PRETTY UNLIKELY. OUR MODEL SHOWS THAT FOR A 825 00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:39,879 OUR MODEL SHOWS THAT FOR A SLOWLY MOVING BOAT, IT'S NEARLY 826 00:26:39,881 --> 00:26:42,482 SLOWLY MOVING BOAT, IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE WESTWARD 827 00:26:42,484 --> 00:26:45,485 IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE WESTWARD BETWEEN FLORIDA AND CUBA. 828 00:26:45,487 --> 00:26:46,853 BETWEEN FLORIDA AND CUBA. >> narrator: THE DRIFT MODEL 829 00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:48,187 >> narrator: THE DRIFT MODEL SHOWS PRINCE MADOC WOULD HAVE 830 00:26:48,189 --> 00:26:49,222 SHOWS PRINCE MADOC WOULD HAVE HAD A HARD TIME REACHING 831 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:50,556 HAD A HARD TIME REACHING HIS ALLEGED DOCKING POINT 832 00:26:50,558 --> 00:26:52,525 HIS ALLEGED DOCKING POINT IN MOBILE BAY. 833 00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:54,127 IN MOBILE BAY. A BOAT LIKE THE GWENAN GORN 834 00:26:54,129 --> 00:26:55,495 A BOAT LIKE THE GWENAN GORN LIKELY COULDN'T HAVE CROSSED 835 00:26:55,497 --> 00:26:57,063 LIKELY COULDN'T HAVE CROSSED THE POWERFUL GULF STREAM 836 00:26:57,065 --> 00:26:58,498 THE POWERFUL GULF STREAM BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN TIP 837 00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:59,899 BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN TIP OF FLORIDA AND CUBA. 838 00:26:59,901 --> 00:27:01,734 OF FLORIDA AND CUBA. THAT MEANS MADOC WOULD HAVE 839 00:27:01,736 --> 00:27:03,336 THAT MEANS MADOC WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND 840 00:27:03,338 --> 00:27:04,537 HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND PUERTO RICO, JAMAICA, 841 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:06,239 PUERTO RICO, JAMAICA, AND THE CAYMANS BEFORE 842 00:27:06,241 --> 00:27:08,241 AND THE CAYMANS BEFORE ENTERING THE GULF OF MEXICO 843 00:27:08,243 --> 00:27:09,475 ENTERING THE GULF OF MEXICO TO REACH ALABAMA, 844 00:27:09,477 --> 00:27:12,378 TO REACH ALABAMA, ADDING MANY DAYS TO THE VOYAGE. 845 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:13,913 ADDING MANY DAYS TO THE VOYAGE. >> TRAVEL FROM WALES TO 846 00:27:13,915 --> 00:27:15,882 >> TRAVEL FROM WALES TO MOBILE BAY WOULD REQUIRE 847 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:17,717 MOBILE BAY WOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST 300 DAYS. 848 00:27:17,719 --> 00:27:19,385 AT LEAST 300 DAYS. >> narrator: THAT'S 300 DAYS 849 00:27:19,387 --> 00:27:21,721 >> narrator: THAT'S 300 DAYS EACH WAY--TWICE-- 850 00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:22,922 EACH WAY--TWICE-- FOR MADOC IS SAID 851 00:27:22,924 --> 00:27:24,490 FOR MADOC IS SAID TO HAVE MADE IT TO AMERICA 852 00:27:24,492 --> 00:27:27,760 TO HAVE MADE IT TO AMERICA NOT ONCE BUT TWO TIMES. 853 00:27:27,762 --> 00:27:29,395 NOT ONCE BUT TWO TIMES. >> THERE'S CERTAINLY NO 854 00:27:29,397 --> 00:27:30,830 >> THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR HARD FACT 855 00:27:30,832 --> 00:27:32,565 ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR HARD FACT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT, 856 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:33,599 EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A BIG PART 857 00:27:33,601 --> 00:27:35,535 BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A BIG PART OF THE STORY. 858 00:27:35,537 --> 00:27:36,402 OF THE STORY. >> narrator: RIGHT NOW, 859 00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:38,070 >> narrator: RIGHT NOW, THE MADOC THEORY IS VIEWED AS 860 00:27:38,072 --> 00:27:41,007 THE MADOC THEORY IS VIEWED AS A LEGEND BY MOST ARCHAEOLOGISTS. 861 00:27:41,009 --> 00:27:42,275 A LEGEND BY MOST ARCHAEOLOGISTS. >> AMERICAN ARCHAEOLOGISTS 862 00:27:42,277 --> 00:27:43,943 >> AMERICAN ARCHAEOLOGISTS REALLY FIND THAT IT'S PART 863 00:27:43,945 --> 00:27:46,179 REALLY FIND THAT IT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO 864 00:27:46,181 --> 00:27:48,648 OF WHAT WE DO TO DEBUNK THOSE THEORIES 865 00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:49,982 TO DEBUNK THOSE THEORIES AND TO KEEP THOSE THINGS AT BAY, 866 00:27:49,984 --> 00:27:51,117 AND TO KEEP THOSE THINGS AT BAY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO-- 867 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,718 BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO-- MOST OF THEM HAVE NO 868 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,554 MOST OF THEM HAVE NO CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC BASIS. 869 00:27:54,556 --> 00:27:55,788 CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC BASIS. >> narrator: TERRY JONES HAS 870 00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:57,123 >> narrator: TERRY JONES HAS SPENT YEARS STUDYING 871 00:27:57,125 --> 00:27:59,425 SPENT YEARS STUDYING WHAT HE SAYS IS A MUCH MORE 872 00:27:59,427 --> 00:28:00,927 WHAT HE SAYS IS A MUCH MORE LIKELY CASE OF PRE-COLUMBIAN 873 00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:03,296 LIKELY CASE OF PRE-COLUMBIAN CONTACT, ONE STRONGLY SUPPORTED 874 00:28:03,298 --> 00:28:05,665 CONTACT, ONE STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY SCIENCE BUT ONE THAT STILL 875 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:06,566 BY SCIENCE BUT ONE THAT STILL COMES WITH THE RISK 876 00:28:06,568 --> 00:28:08,835 COMES WITH THE RISK OF CAREER SUICIDE. 877 00:28:08,837 --> 00:28:10,770 OF CAREER SUICIDE. >> FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS, 878 00:28:10,772 --> 00:28:12,438 >> FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS, WE WOULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT 879 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,639 WE WOULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC. 880 00:28:13,641 --> 00:28:14,774 IN PUBLIC. >> narrator: ACROSS THE PACIFIC 881 00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:17,743 >> narrator: ACROSS THE PACIFIC IN 1000 A.D., A NEW GROUP 882 00:28:17,745 --> 00:28:18,778 IN 1000 A.D., A NEW GROUP OF CONTENDERS EMERGES 883 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,112 OF CONTENDERS EMERGES IN THE QUEST TO LEARN 884 00:28:20,114 --> 00:28:22,982 IN THE QUEST TO LEARN WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA. 885 00:28:22,984 --> 00:28:25,284 WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA. AND BACK IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC, 886 00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:26,953 AND BACK IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC, ONE OF THE MOST LEGENDARY 887 00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:28,754 ONE OF THE MOST LEGENDARY SAILORS EVER CHRONICLED 888 00:28:28,756 --> 00:28:30,289 SAILORS EVER CHRONICLED LEAVES ON HIS OWN QUEST 889 00:28:30,291 --> 00:28:32,258 LEAVES ON HIS OWN QUEST TO THE WEST. 890 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:38,831 >> narrator: POLYNESIA, 1000 A.D., 891 00:28:38,833 --> 00:28:42,969 1000 A.D., 492 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 892 00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:44,537 492 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 893 00:28:44,539 --> 00:28:46,739 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, CHINA IS INVENTING GUNPOWDER, 894 00:28:46,741 --> 00:28:48,140 CHINA IS INVENTING GUNPOWDER, AND A VERY IMPORTANT JOURNEY 895 00:28:48,142 --> 00:28:49,809 AND A VERY IMPORTANT JOURNEY BY NORSEMAN LEIF ERIKSSON 896 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:50,643 BY NORSEMAN LEIF ERIKSSON IS TAKING PLACE IN 897 00:28:50,645 --> 00:28:52,812 IS TAKING PLACE IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC. 898 00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:55,348 THE NORTH ATLANTIC. IN POLYNESIA, EXPLORERS ARE 899 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:56,449 IN POLYNESIA, EXPLORERS ARE IN THE MIDST OF SETTLING THE 900 00:28:56,451 --> 00:28:58,818 IN THE MIDST OF SETTLING THE MARQUESAS AND HAWAIIAN ISLANDS, 901 00:28:58,820 --> 00:28:59,852 MARQUESAS AND HAWAIIAN ISLANDS, BUT DID THEY ALSO SAIL 902 00:28:59,854 --> 00:29:01,020 BUT DID THEY ALSO SAIL BY THE STARS TO 903 00:29:01,022 --> 00:29:03,889 BY THE STARS TO NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA? 904 00:29:03,891 --> 00:29:04,790 NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA? >> ANCIENT POLYNESIANS 905 00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:06,359 >> ANCIENT POLYNESIANS AS VOYAGERS, WELL, 906 00:29:06,361 --> 00:29:07,326 AS VOYAGERS, WELL, THEY'RE THE BEST. 907 00:29:07,328 --> 00:29:08,294 THEY'RE THE BEST. WE KNOW THAT THEY REACHED 908 00:29:08,296 --> 00:29:09,562 WE KNOW THAT THEY REACHED EVERY DISTANT ISLAND 909 00:29:09,564 --> 00:29:10,863 EVERY DISTANT ISLAND IN THE PACIFIC, AND THEY DID IT 910 00:29:10,865 --> 00:29:12,565 IN THE PACIFIC, AND THEY DID IT IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. 911 00:29:12,567 --> 00:29:13,666 IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. >> narrator: SPREAD OUT OVER 912 00:29:13,668 --> 00:29:16,202 >> narrator: SPREAD OUT OVER MORE THAN 7 MILLION SQUARE MILES 913 00:29:16,204 --> 00:29:18,004 MORE THAN 7 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF OCEAN, POLYNESIA COVERS 914 00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:19,639 OF OCEAN, POLYNESIA COVERS MORE AREA THAN ANY NATION 915 00:29:19,641 --> 00:29:21,040 MORE AREA THAN ANY NATION IN THE WORLD. 916 00:29:21,042 --> 00:29:23,576 IN THE WORLD. THERE ARE 1,000 ISLANDS, 917 00:29:23,578 --> 00:29:25,978 THERE ARE 1,000 ISLANDS, AND BY 1380 A.D., 918 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:27,580 AND BY 1380 A.D., POLYNESIAN VOYAGERS MANAGED 919 00:29:27,582 --> 00:29:29,849 POLYNESIAN VOYAGERS MANAGED TO TRAVEL TO AND COLONIZE 920 00:29:29,851 --> 00:29:31,851 TO TRAVEL TO AND COLONIZE ALL OF THEM. 921 00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:33,352 ALL OF THEM. >> POLYNESIA, BIGGEST NATION 922 00:29:33,354 --> 00:29:34,453 >> POLYNESIA, BIGGEST NATION ON EARTH, BIGGER THAN RUSSIA. 923 00:29:34,455 --> 00:29:35,721 ON EARTH, BIGGER THAN RUSSIA. THERE'S 600 TIMES MORE WATER 924 00:29:35,723 --> 00:29:36,922 THERE'S 600 TIMES MORE WATER THAN THERE IS LAND. 925 00:29:36,924 --> 00:29:37,890 THAN THERE IS LAND. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE 926 00:29:37,892 --> 00:29:39,191 I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE POLYNESIANS WERE THE ONLY 927 00:29:39,193 --> 00:29:40,359 POLYNESIANS WERE THE ONLY CULTURE THAT WERE PURPOSELY 928 00:29:40,361 --> 00:29:41,594 CULTURE THAT WERE PURPOSELY VOYAGING, EXPLORING, 929 00:29:41,596 --> 00:29:43,696 VOYAGING, EXPLORING, AND NAVIGATING THE LARGEST OCEAN 930 00:29:43,698 --> 00:29:45,398 AND NAVIGATING THE LARGEST OCEAN ON EARTH AT A TIME WHEN 931 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,999 ON EARTH AT A TIME WHEN OTHER CULTURES WEREN'T. 932 00:29:47,001 --> 00:29:48,334 OTHER CULTURES WEREN'T. >> IF YOU LOOK AT WORLD MARITIME 933 00:29:48,336 --> 00:29:49,368 >> IF YOU LOOK AT WORLD MARITIME HISTORY AND YOU ASK WHO 934 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:51,037 HISTORY AND YOU ASK WHO THE MOST SUCCESSFUL NAVIGATORS 935 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,038 THE MOST SUCCESSFUL NAVIGATORS ARE AND THE MOST SUCCESSFUL 936 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,639 ARE AND THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TYPES OF SHIPS, VERY FEW PEOPLE 937 00:29:53,641 --> 00:29:55,174 TYPES OF SHIPS, VERY FEW PEOPLE WOULD GIVE YOU THE CORRECT 938 00:29:55,176 --> 00:29:57,209 WOULD GIVE YOU THE CORRECT ANSWER, WHICH IS THE POLYNESIAN 939 00:29:57,211 --> 00:29:59,512 ANSWER, WHICH IS THE POLYNESIAN SEAGOING CANOE AND POLYNESIAN 940 00:29:59,514 --> 00:30:01,380 SEAGOING CANOE AND POLYNESIAN NAVIGATORS. 941 00:30:01,382 --> 00:30:02,748 NAVIGATORS. >> narrator: POLYNESIAN VOYAGING 942 00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:04,083 >> narrator: POLYNESIAN VOYAGING CANOES, OR TE PUKES, 943 00:30:04,085 --> 00:30:06,519 CANOES, OR TE PUKES, WERE UP TO 60 FEET LONG. 944 00:30:06,521 --> 00:30:07,720 WERE UP TO 60 FEET LONG. THEIR DOUBLE HULLS WERE MADE 945 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:09,722 THEIR DOUBLE HULLS WERE MADE FROM LOGS OF THE KOA TREE, 946 00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:10,990 FROM LOGS OF THE KOA TREE, HOLLOWED OUT BY A TRADITIONAL 947 00:30:10,992 --> 00:30:12,625 HOLLOWED OUT BY A TRADITIONAL TOOL CALLED AN ADZE 948 00:30:12,627 --> 00:30:14,060 TOOL CALLED AN ADZE OR MADE FROM SMALLER WOODEN 949 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:16,062 OR MADE FROM SMALLER WOODEN PLANKS SEWN TOGETHER. 950 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:17,396 PLANKS SEWN TOGETHER. THEIR CRAB CLAW SAILS 951 00:30:17,398 --> 00:30:18,631 THEIR CRAB CLAW SAILS WERE WOVEN TOGETHER OUT OF 952 00:30:18,633 --> 00:30:19,832 WERE WOVEN TOGETHER OUT OF LAUHALA LEAVES, 953 00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:21,734 LAUHALA LEAVES, AND SOME 1,500 FEET OF 954 00:30:21,736 --> 00:30:23,436 AND SOME 1,500 FEET OF HAND-WOUND COCONUT FIBERS 955 00:30:23,438 --> 00:30:27,173 HAND-WOUND COCONUT FIBERS WERE USED FOR LASHINGS. 956 00:30:27,175 --> 00:30:32,478 >> HOKULE'A, WE BELIEVE WITH AN AWFUL LOT OF RESEARCH, 957 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,280 WITH AN AWFUL LOT OF RESEARCH, IS KIND OF A DESIGN-ACCURATE 958 00:30:34,282 --> 00:30:35,748 IS KIND OF A DESIGN-ACCURATE REPLICA OF THE DEEP-SEA VOYAGING 959 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:37,416 REPLICA OF THE DEEP-SEA VOYAGING CANOES THAT WAS THE MAIN TOOL 960 00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:39,118 CANOES THAT WAS THE MAIN TOOL THAT WAS USED TO EXPLORE 961 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,887 THAT WAS USED TO EXPLORE AND COLONIZE ALL OF POLYNESIA. 962 00:30:41,889 --> 00:30:42,755 AND COLONIZE ALL OF POLYNESIA. >> narrator: THIS IS THE 963 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,523 >> narrator: THIS IS THE HOKULE'A, BUILT USING SOME 964 00:30:44,525 --> 00:30:47,293 HOKULE'A, BUILT USING SOME OF THOSE ANCIENT SPECIFICATIONS. 965 00:30:47,295 --> 00:30:48,661 OF THOSE ANCIENT SPECIFICATIONS. IT DOES HAVE A MODERN SAIL 966 00:30:48,663 --> 00:30:50,796 IT DOES HAVE A MODERN SAIL AND OTHER MODERN TOUCHES, 967 00:30:50,798 --> 00:30:52,064 AND OTHER MODERN TOUCHES, BUT THE BASIC HULL DESIGN 968 00:30:52,066 --> 00:30:53,899 BUT THE BASIC HULL DESIGN IS THE SAME. 969 00:30:53,901 --> 00:30:54,967 IS THE SAME. >> AT THE TIME THAT HOKULE'A 970 00:30:54,969 --> 00:30:55,835 >> AT THE TIME THAT HOKULE'A WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED, 971 00:30:55,837 --> 00:30:56,936 WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED, THERE WAS NO OTHER PHYSICAL 972 00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:58,070 THERE WAS NO OTHER PHYSICAL DEEP-SEA VOYAGING CANOE 973 00:30:58,072 --> 00:30:59,672 DEEP-SEA VOYAGING CANOE ON EARTH, AND SO IT HAD TO BE 974 00:30:59,674 --> 00:31:01,173 ON EARTH, AND SO IT HAD TO BE RECONSTRUCTED FROM BOTH 975 00:31:01,175 --> 00:31:02,541 RECONSTRUCTED FROM BOTH MODERN SCIENCE 976 00:31:02,543 --> 00:31:03,709 MODERN SCIENCE AS WELL AS CULTURE 977 00:31:03,711 --> 00:31:06,078 AS WELL AS CULTURE AND ORAL HISTORIES. 978 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:13,118 >> narrator: THE POLYNESIAN VOYAGING SOCIETY FIRST LAUNCHED 979 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,688 VOYAGING SOCIETY FIRST LAUNCHED THE HOKULE'A IN THE 1970s 980 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:16,789 THE HOKULE'A IN THE 1970s TO CHALLENGE THE IDEA THAT 981 00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:18,290 TO CHALLENGE THE IDEA THAT POLYNESIA WAS SETTLED 982 00:31:18,292 --> 00:31:19,859 POLYNESIA WAS SETTLED FROM EAST TO WEST BY THE INCA 983 00:31:19,861 --> 00:31:21,794 FROM EAST TO WEST BY THE INCA FROM SOUTH AMERICA. 984 00:31:21,796 --> 00:31:23,262 FROM SOUTH AMERICA. THAT THEORY WAS FIRST PROPOSED 985 00:31:23,264 --> 00:31:24,730 THAT THEORY WAS FIRST PROPOSED BY NOTABLE ADVENTURER 986 00:31:24,732 --> 00:31:27,600 BY NOTABLE ADVENTURER THOR HEYERDAHL IN THE 1940s, 987 00:31:27,602 --> 00:31:29,301 THOR HEYERDAHL IN THE 1940s, WHO SUGGESTED STATUES LIKE THESE 988 00:31:29,303 --> 00:31:31,136 WHO SUGGESTED STATUES LIKE THESE ON EASTER ISLAND WERE INCAN 989 00:31:31,138 --> 00:31:32,972 ON EASTER ISLAND WERE INCAN IN ORIGIN. 990 00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:34,073 IN ORIGIN. TO HELP PROVE THE VOYAGE 991 00:31:34,075 --> 00:31:35,708 TO HELP PROVE THE VOYAGE WAS POSSIBLE, HE BUILT AND 992 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:37,443 WAS POSSIBLE, HE BUILT AND SUCCESSFULLY SAILED HIS OWN 993 00:31:37,445 --> 00:31:39,511 SUCCESSFULLY SAILED HIS OWN RAFT CALLED THE KON-TIKI FROM 994 00:31:39,513 --> 00:31:41,347 RAFT CALLED THE KON-TIKI FROM SOUTH AMERICA TO THE TUAMOTU 995 00:31:41,349 --> 00:31:44,483 SOUTH AMERICA TO THE TUAMOTU ISLANDS IN POLYNESIA IN 1947. 996 00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:45,818 ISLANDS IN POLYNESIA IN 1947. EVEN THOUGH THE SAIL WAS 997 00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:47,987 EVEN THOUGH THE SAIL WAS SUCCESSFUL, ACADEMICS BALKED 998 00:31:47,989 --> 00:31:50,256 SUCCESSFUL, ACADEMICS BALKED AT HIS THEORY. 999 00:31:50,258 --> 00:31:51,257 AT HIS THEORY. >> THE SOUTH AMERICANS AREN'T 1000 00:31:51,259 --> 00:31:52,958 >> THE SOUTH AMERICANS AREN'T KNOWN FOR HAVING SEAWORTHY 1001 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,160 KNOWN FOR HAVING SEAWORTHY CANOES OR FOR HAVING 1002 00:31:55,162 --> 00:31:57,062 CANOES OR FOR HAVING HIGH VOYAGING CAPABILITIES, 1003 00:31:57,064 --> 00:31:58,297 HIGH VOYAGING CAPABILITIES, SO IT REALLY MAKES MORE SENSE 1004 00:31:58,299 --> 00:31:59,531 SO IT REALLY MAKES MORE SENSE THAT THE POLYNESIANS MADE IT 1005 00:31:59,533 --> 00:32:02,601 THAT THE POLYNESIANS MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA. 1006 00:32:02,603 --> 00:32:03,736 TO SOUTH AMERICA. >> narrator: POLYNESIANS WERE 1007 00:32:03,738 --> 00:32:05,271 >> narrator: POLYNESIANS WERE ABLE TO ISLAND-HOP ACROSS 1008 00:32:05,273 --> 00:32:07,006 ABLE TO ISLAND-HOP ACROSS THE PACIFIC BECAUSE THEY KNEW 1009 00:32:07,008 --> 00:32:08,307 THE PACIFIC BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT TO TAKE WITH THEM 1010 00:32:08,309 --> 00:32:09,742 WHAT TO TAKE WITH THEM TO SURVIVE, LIKE PLANTS 1011 00:32:09,744 --> 00:32:11,010 TO SURVIVE, LIKE PLANTS AND CHICKENS, 1012 00:32:11,012 --> 00:32:12,177 AND CHICKENS, CHICKENS THEY MAY HAVE 1013 00:32:12,179 --> 00:32:15,147 CHICKENS THEY MAY HAVE INTRODUCED TO SOUTH AMERICA. 1014 00:32:15,149 --> 00:32:16,982 INTRODUCED TO SOUTH AMERICA. >> WE HAVE A VERY GOOD CASE FOR 1015 00:32:16,984 --> 00:32:19,752 >> WE HAVE A VERY GOOD CASE FOR CHICKENS MOVING FROM POLYNESIA 1016 00:32:19,754 --> 00:32:21,987 CHICKENS MOVING FROM POLYNESIA TO SOUTH AMERICA. 1017 00:32:21,989 --> 00:32:23,355 TO SOUTH AMERICA. THE DISCOVERY OF CHICKEN BONES 1018 00:32:23,357 --> 00:32:24,723 THE DISCOVERY OF CHICKEN BONES FROM CHILE HAS TURNED OUT 1019 00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:26,258 FROM CHILE HAS TURNED OUT TO BE VERY EXCITING. 1020 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:27,092 TO BE VERY EXCITING. >> narrator: WHEN THESE 1021 00:32:27,094 --> 00:32:28,560 >> narrator: WHEN THESE CHICKEN BONES WITH POLYNESIAN 1022 00:32:28,562 --> 00:32:29,762 CHICKEN BONES WITH POLYNESIAN TRAITS WERE UNEARTHED IN 1023 00:32:29,764 --> 00:32:31,397 TRAITS WERE UNEARTHED IN SOUTH AMERICA, THEY WERE 1024 00:32:31,399 --> 00:32:33,365 SOUTH AMERICA, THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY CONTROVERSIAL. 1025 00:32:33,367 --> 00:32:34,533 IMMEDIATELY CONTROVERSIAL. WHILE MANY SCIENTISTS 1026 00:32:34,535 --> 00:32:36,235 WHILE MANY SCIENTISTS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT CHICKENS 1027 00:32:36,237 --> 00:32:37,536 ORIGINALLY THOUGHT CHICKENS WERE INTRODUCED TO SOUTH AMERICA 1028 00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:39,405 WERE INTRODUCED TO SOUTH AMERICA BY SPANISH EXPLORERS IN 1029 00:32:39,407 --> 00:32:42,374 BY SPANISH EXPLORERS IN THE 1500s, THE RADIOCARBON DATE 1030 00:32:42,376 --> 00:32:43,375 THE 1500s, THE RADIOCARBON DATE OF THESE BONES WOULD 1031 00:32:43,377 --> 00:32:44,877 OF THESE BONES WOULD PROVE OTHERWISE. 1032 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:49,148 PROVE OTHERWISE. THEY'RE PRE-COLUMBIAN. 1033 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:49,982 THEY'RE PRE-COLUMBIAN. >> POLYNESIANS MADE IT 1034 00:32:49,984 --> 00:32:51,784 >> POLYNESIANS MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA, 1035 00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:53,319 TO SOUTH AMERICA, PROBABLY DROPPED OFF CHICKEN 1036 00:32:53,321 --> 00:32:54,620 PROBABLY DROPPED OFF CHICKEN WHILE THEY WERE THERE, 1037 00:32:54,622 --> 00:32:55,688 WHILE THEY WERE THERE, PICKED UP THE SWEET POTATO, 1038 00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:56,989 PICKED UP THE SWEET POTATO, AND THEN MADE THE TWO-WAY VOYAGE 1039 00:32:56,991 --> 00:32:59,858 AND THEN MADE THE TWO-WAY VOYAGE BACK TO POLYNESIA. 1040 00:32:59,860 --> 00:33:00,793 BACK TO POLYNESIA. >> narrator: SWEET POTATOES 1041 00:33:00,795 --> 00:33:01,894 >> narrator: SWEET POTATOES ARE NOT BELIEVED TO BE NATIVE 1042 00:33:01,896 --> 00:33:03,796 ARE NOT BELIEVED TO BE NATIVE TO POLYNESIA, BUT THEY ARE 1043 00:33:03,798 --> 00:33:05,564 TO POLYNESIA, BUT THEY ARE NATIVE TO SOUTH AMERICA, 1044 00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:08,767 NATIVE TO SOUTH AMERICA, A POSSIBLE CLUE. 1045 00:33:08,769 --> 00:33:15,407 >> THE SWEET POTATOES ARE THESE LOW, VINY PLANTS, 1046 00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:16,575 LOW, VINY PLANTS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT 1047 00:33:16,577 --> 00:33:18,911 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE FLOWERING HERE. 1048 00:33:18,913 --> 00:33:20,079 THEY'RE FLOWERING HERE. >> narrator: STUDIES ON CHARRED 1049 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:21,580 >> narrator: STUDIES ON CHARRED SWEET POTATO REMAINS FOUND 1050 00:33:21,582 --> 00:33:23,582 SWEET POTATO REMAINS FOUND IN POLYNESIA SUGGEST THE PLANT 1051 00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:25,050 IN POLYNESIA SUGGEST THE PLANT WAS INTRODUCED TO THE ISLANDS 1052 00:33:25,052 --> 00:33:27,252 WAS INTRODUCED TO THE ISLANDS IN PRE-COLUMBIAN TIMES. 1053 00:33:27,254 --> 00:33:28,220 IN PRE-COLUMBIAN TIMES. >> SWEET POTATO IS AN 1054 00:33:28,222 --> 00:33:29,288 >> SWEET POTATO IS AN AMERICAN PLANT. 1055 00:33:29,290 --> 00:33:30,689 AMERICAN PLANT. IT HAS WILD POPULATIONS 1056 00:33:30,691 --> 00:33:32,524 IT HAS WILD POPULATIONS IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. 1057 00:33:32,526 --> 00:33:33,692 IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. IT WAS DOMESTICATED BY 1058 00:33:33,694 --> 00:33:35,260 IT WAS DOMESTICATED BY NATIVE AMERICANS THOUSANDS 1059 00:33:35,262 --> 00:33:37,930 NATIVE AMERICANS THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. 1060 00:33:37,932 --> 00:33:38,964 OF YEARS AGO. >> WE KNEW THAT SWEET POTATO 1061 00:33:38,966 --> 00:33:40,099 >> WE KNEW THAT SWEET POTATO HAD BEEN INTRODUCED FROM 1062 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:40,933 HAD BEEN INTRODUCED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. 1063 00:33:40,935 --> 00:33:42,401 SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE LINGUISTIC NAME FOR 1064 00:33:42,403 --> 00:33:43,836 THE LINGUISTIC NAME FOR SWEET POTATO, KUMARA, 1065 00:33:43,838 --> 00:33:45,938 SWEET POTATO, KUMARA, IS NOT A POLYNESIAN WORD. 1066 00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:47,239 IS NOT A POLYNESIAN WORD. AND LINGUISTS HAD LOOKED FOR 1067 00:33:47,241 --> 00:33:49,007 AND LINGUISTS HAD LOOKED FOR A LONG TIME TO FIND OUT WHERE 1068 00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:50,876 A LONG TIME TO FIND OUT WHERE THE WORD KUMARA CAME FROM, 1069 00:33:50,878 --> 00:33:51,944 THE WORD KUMARA CAME FROM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN LINKED 1070 00:33:51,946 --> 00:33:53,612 AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN LINKED TO AN ECUADORIAN TRIBE 1071 00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:55,247 TO AN ECUADORIAN TRIBE THAT ARE INTENSIVE SWEET POTATO 1072 00:33:55,249 --> 00:33:56,849 THAT ARE INTENSIVE SWEET POTATO PRODUCERS. 1073 00:33:56,851 --> 00:33:59,118 PRODUCERS. >> IT IS ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN 1074 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,753 >> IT IS ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE PRE-COLUMBIAN 1075 00:34:00,755 --> 00:34:02,421 THAT WE HAVE PRE-COLUMBIAN SWEET POTATO, PRE-EUROPEAN 1076 00:34:02,423 --> 00:34:04,590 SWEET POTATO, PRE-EUROPEAN SWEET POTATO, IN POLYNESIA, 1077 00:34:04,592 --> 00:34:05,457 SWEET POTATO, IN POLYNESIA, AND THAT IT WAS TRANSFERRED 1078 00:34:05,459 --> 00:34:08,427 AND THAT IT WAS TRANSFERRED BY PEOPLE, NOT BY FLOATING 1079 00:34:08,429 --> 00:34:09,628 BY PEOPLE, NOT BY FLOATING OR BY BIRDS, BECAUSE 1080 00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:11,964 OR BY BIRDS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE WORD TRAVELING 1081 00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:14,600 YOU DON'T GET THE WORD TRAVELING WITH THE POTATO IF IT'S NOT 1082 00:34:14,602 --> 00:34:16,235 WITH THE POTATO IF IT'S NOT FACE-TO-FACE TRANSFER OF 1083 00:34:16,237 --> 00:34:18,871 FACE-TO-FACE TRANSFER OF THE SWEET POTATO. 1084 00:34:18,873 --> 00:34:19,771 THE SWEET POTATO. >> narrator: THERE'S EVEN 1085 00:34:19,773 --> 00:34:21,340 >> narrator: THERE'S EVEN EVIDENCE THE POLYNESIANS MADE IT 1086 00:34:21,342 --> 00:34:23,242 EVIDENCE THE POLYNESIANS MADE IT FARTHER NORTH, TO WHAT WOULD 1087 00:34:23,244 --> 00:34:25,878 FARTHER NORTH, TO WHAT WOULD BECOME THE UNITED STATES. 1088 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,880 BECOME THE UNITED STATES. NEAR SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA, 1089 00:34:27,882 --> 00:34:29,414 NEAR SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA, A TRIBE CALLED THE CHUMASH 1090 00:34:29,416 --> 00:34:30,782 A TRIBE CALLED THE CHUMASH HAS BEEN BUILDING THIS TYPE OF 1091 00:34:30,784 --> 00:34:31,783 HAS BEEN BUILDING THIS TYPE OF SEWN-PLANK CANOE SINCE 1092 00:34:31,785 --> 00:34:35,120 SEWN-PLANK CANOE SINCE AT LEAST 1000 A.D., CALLING IT 1093 00:34:35,122 --> 00:34:37,222 AT LEAST 1000 A.D., CALLING IT A TOMOLO'O. 1094 00:34:37,224 --> 00:34:38,524 A TOMOLO'O. LINGUISTS SAY THAT'S HOW THE 1095 00:34:38,526 --> 00:34:39,992 LINGUISTS SAY THAT'S HOW THE CHUMASH WOULD HAVE PRONOUNCED 1096 00:34:39,994 --> 00:34:41,760 CHUMASH WOULD HAVE PRONOUNCED THE EASTERN CENTRAL POLYNESIAN 1097 00:34:41,762 --> 00:34:43,295 THE EASTERN CENTRAL POLYNESIAN WORD FOR THE SAME BOAT, 1098 00:34:43,297 --> 00:34:47,966 WORD FOR THE SAME BOAT, ONE THEY CALL A TUMURAA'AU. 1099 00:34:47,968 --> 00:34:48,901 ONE THEY CALL A TUMURAA'AU. >> THEY WOULD HAVE TROUBLE 1100 00:34:48,903 --> 00:34:49,902 >> THEY WOULD HAVE TROUBLE PRONOUNCING THAT, AND IT WOULD 1101 00:34:49,904 --> 00:34:51,703 PRONOUNCING THAT, AND IT WOULD COME OUT TOMOLO'O. 1102 00:34:51,705 --> 00:34:53,338 COME OUT TOMOLO'O. THAT'S VERY NORMAL, REGULAR 1103 00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:54,773 THAT'S VERY NORMAL, REGULAR IN CHUMASH. 1104 00:34:54,775 --> 00:34:55,974 IN CHUMASH. >> narrator: THE CHUMASH ARE 1105 00:34:55,976 --> 00:34:56,909 >> narrator: THE CHUMASH ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE STARTED USING 1106 00:34:56,911 --> 00:34:58,877 THOUGHT TO HAVE STARTED USING THE WORD TOMOLO'O SOMETIME 1107 00:34:58,879 --> 00:35:02,047 THE WORD TOMOLO'O SOMETIME BETWEEN 500 AND 1200 A.D. 1108 00:35:02,049 --> 00:35:03,081 BETWEEN 500 AND 1200 A.D. BUT IT'S MORE THAN THE WORD 1109 00:35:03,083 --> 00:35:04,950 BUT IT'S MORE THAN THE WORD FOR THIS CANOE THAT'S IMPORTANT. 1110 00:35:04,952 --> 00:35:06,952 FOR THIS CANOE THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S ALSO THE CANOE ITSELF, 1111 00:35:06,954 --> 00:35:08,487 IT'S ALSO THE CANOE ITSELF, WHICH HAS A DESIGN THAT TURNS 1112 00:35:08,489 --> 00:35:12,024 WHICH HAS A DESIGN THAT TURNS OUT TO BE RARE, VERY RARE. 1113 00:35:12,026 --> 00:35:13,492 OUT TO BE RARE, VERY RARE. >> ONCE THE PLANKS WERE CREATED, 1114 00:35:13,494 --> 00:35:15,360 >> ONCE THE PLANKS WERE CREATED, THERE WOULD BE HOLES DRILLED. 1115 00:35:15,362 --> 00:35:16,695 THERE WOULD BE HOLES DRILLED. WE HAVE HOLES ON OPPOSING 1116 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:19,331 WE HAVE HOLES ON OPPOSING EDGES OF THE PLANKS THAT WERE 1117 00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,733 EDGES OF THE PLANKS THAT WERE SEWN TOGETHER USING THIS 1118 00:35:21,735 --> 00:35:24,703 SEWN TOGETHER USING THIS VEGETABLE PRODUCT-BASED CORDAGE. 1119 00:35:24,705 --> 00:35:26,505 VEGETABLE PRODUCT-BASED CORDAGE. THAT'S A COMMON TECHNOLOGY 1120 00:35:26,507 --> 00:35:28,206 THAT'S A COMMON TECHNOLOGY THROUGHOUT ALL OF POLYNESIA, 1121 00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:30,242 THROUGHOUT ALL OF POLYNESIA, AND IT'S ONLY SEEN IN TWO PLACES 1122 00:35:30,244 --> 00:35:32,945 AND IT'S ONLY SEEN IN TWO PLACES IN THE ENTIRE NATIVE NEW WORLD: 1123 00:35:32,947 --> 00:35:34,546 IN THE ENTIRE NATIVE NEW WORLD: THE COAST OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 1124 00:35:34,548 --> 00:35:36,381 THE COAST OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND THE COAST OF CHILE. 1125 00:35:36,383 --> 00:35:38,016 AND THE COAST OF CHILE. >> narrator: COMMON WORDS, 1126 00:35:38,018 --> 00:35:39,685 >> narrator: COMMON WORDS, COMMON ENGINEERING, 1127 00:35:39,687 --> 00:35:43,055 COMMON ENGINEERING, AND THERE'S MORE: FISHHOOKS. 1128 00:35:43,057 --> 00:35:45,457 AND THERE'S MORE: FISHHOOKS. THIS IS DR. YOSIHIKO SINOTO, 1129 00:35:45,459 --> 00:35:47,459 THIS IS DR. YOSIHIKO SINOTO, A VERITABLE EXPERT ON FISHHOOKS, 1130 00:35:47,461 --> 00:35:48,627 A VERITABLE EXPERT ON FISHHOOKS, WHO'S STUDIED THEM ALL OVER 1131 00:35:48,629 --> 00:35:49,962 WHO'S STUDIED THEM ALL OVER THE PACIFIC. 1132 00:35:49,964 --> 00:35:50,963 THE PACIFIC. HE HAS A COLLECTION 1133 00:35:50,965 --> 00:35:52,064 HE HAS A COLLECTION OF PRIMITIVE FISHHOOKS 1134 00:35:52,066 --> 00:35:53,465 OF PRIMITIVE FISHHOOKS FOUND OFF CATALINA ISLAND 1135 00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:55,467 FOUND OFF CATALINA ISLAND NEAR LOS ANGELES. 1136 00:35:55,469 --> 00:36:02,841 >> narrator: THE CATALINA FISHHOOKS SEEM TO MATCH 1137 00:36:02,843 --> 00:36:04,376 FISHHOOKS SEEM TO MATCH FISHHOOKS MADE IN TAHITI 1138 00:36:04,378 --> 00:36:06,845 FISHHOOKS MADE IN TAHITI AROUND 1000 A.D. 1139 00:36:06,847 --> 00:36:08,280 AROUND 1000 A.D. FISHING FOR FOOD IS ONE WAY 1140 00:36:08,282 --> 00:36:09,414 FISHING FOR FOOD IS ONE WAY THEY COULD HAVE SURVIVED 1141 00:36:09,416 --> 00:36:11,149 THEY COULD HAVE SURVIVED A 4,000-MILE VOYAGE FROM 1142 00:36:11,151 --> 00:36:12,651 A 4,000-MILE VOYAGE FROM THE CENTER OF POLYNESIA 1143 00:36:12,653 --> 00:36:14,853 THE CENTER OF POLYNESIA TO CALIFORNIA. 1144 00:36:14,855 --> 00:36:16,555 TO CALIFORNIA. BUT WHAT DO DR. MAXIMENKO'S 1145 00:36:16,557 --> 00:36:18,256 BUT WHAT DO DR. MAXIMENKO'S MAPS OF OCEAN CURRENTS SAY 1146 00:36:18,258 --> 00:36:21,326 MAPS OF OCEAN CURRENTS SAY ABOUT ALL OF THIS? 1147 00:36:21,328 --> 00:36:23,862 ABOUT ALL OF THIS? >> FOR A POLYNESIAN VOYAGE FROM 1148 00:36:23,864 --> 00:36:26,164 >> FOR A POLYNESIAN VOYAGE FROM COOK ISLANDS TO SANTA BARBARA 1149 00:36:26,166 --> 00:36:28,567 COOK ISLANDS TO SANTA BARBARA AREA IN CALIFORNIA, THE PATH 1150 00:36:28,569 --> 00:36:32,037 AREA IN CALIFORNIA, THE PATH WOULD REQUIRE NEARLY 300 DAYS. 1151 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,006 WOULD REQUIRE NEARLY 300 DAYS. THAT VOYAGE WOULD IMPLY A LOT 1152 00:36:35,008 --> 00:36:37,743 THAT VOYAGE WOULD IMPLY A LOT OF PADDLING, AND IF THEY WERE 1153 00:36:37,745 --> 00:36:39,611 OF PADDLING, AND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEY COULD 1154 00:36:39,613 --> 00:36:43,014 ABLE TO DO THAT, THEY COULD MAKE IT. 1155 00:36:43,016 --> 00:36:43,915 MAKE IT. >> WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT 1156 00:36:43,917 --> 00:36:46,585 >> WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE POLYNESIANS MADE VOYAGES 1157 00:36:46,587 --> 00:36:49,354 THE POLYNESIANS MADE VOYAGES OF 2,000 TO 3,000 KILOMETERS 1158 00:36:49,356 --> 00:36:51,156 OF 2,000 TO 3,000 KILOMETERS ACROSS OPEN WATER NOT KNOWING 1159 00:36:51,158 --> 00:36:52,758 ACROSS OPEN WATER NOT KNOWING WHETHER THERE WAS SOMETHING 1160 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,460 WHETHER THERE WAS SOMETHING TO BE FOUND, TO BE DISCOVERED. 1161 00:36:55,462 --> 00:36:57,396 TO BE FOUND, TO BE DISCOVERED. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE 1162 00:36:57,398 --> 00:37:00,198 >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT THEIR VOYAGES WERE EXPLICIT 1163 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,400 THAT THEIR VOYAGES WERE EXPLICIT VOYAGES OF DISCOVERY. 1164 00:37:01,402 --> 00:37:02,834 VOYAGES OF DISCOVERY. THIS ISN'T A MATTER OF LOST 1165 00:37:02,836 --> 00:37:04,703 THIS ISN'T A MATTER OF LOST CANOES OR PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY 1166 00:37:04,705 --> 00:37:07,806 CANOES OR PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY FROM WARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 1167 00:37:07,808 --> 00:37:08,940 FROM WARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE MOVEMENT 1168 00:37:08,942 --> 00:37:11,042 IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE MOVEMENT ACROSS THE SOUTH PACIFIC INTO 1169 00:37:11,044 --> 00:37:13,211 ACROSS THE SOUTH PACIFIC INTO THE TRADE WINDS FROM ASIA 1170 00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:14,312 THE TRADE WINDS FROM ASIA ALL THE WAY TO ULTIMATELY 1171 00:37:14,314 --> 00:37:16,748 ALL THE WAY TO ULTIMATELY SOUTH AMERICA, THAT SEEMS LIKE 1172 00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:17,649 SOUTH AMERICA, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN EXTRAORDINARY THING, 1173 00:37:17,651 --> 00:37:19,818 AN EXTRAORDINARY THING, SAILING THAT FAR INTO THE WIND. 1174 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:21,286 SAILING THAT FAR INTO THE WIND. BUT ACTUALLY, IT MAKES SOME 1175 00:37:21,288 --> 00:37:22,654 BUT ACTUALLY, IT MAKES SOME SENSE. 1176 00:37:22,656 --> 00:37:24,623 SENSE. >> ORIGINALLY, THE THINKING WAS, 1177 00:37:24,625 --> 00:37:25,490 >> ORIGINALLY, THE THINKING WAS, WHY WOULD YOU GO UPWIND 1178 00:37:25,492 --> 00:37:26,324 WHY WOULD YOU GO UPWIND TO FIND LAND? 1179 00:37:26,326 --> 00:37:28,126 TO FIND LAND? WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DOWNWIND 1180 00:37:28,128 --> 00:37:29,127 WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DOWNWIND AND YOU DON'T FIND IT, 1181 00:37:29,129 --> 00:37:30,729 AND YOU DON'T FIND IT, IT'S SO HARD TO COME BACK. 1182 00:37:30,731 --> 00:37:32,631 IT'S SO HARD TO COME BACK. SO GOING EAST IS ACTUALLY 1183 00:37:32,633 --> 00:37:34,065 SO GOING EAST IS ACTUALLY A SAFER DIRECTION TO GO 1184 00:37:34,067 --> 00:37:37,335 A SAFER DIRECTION TO GO KNOWING THAT YOU CAN COME HOME. 1185 00:37:37,337 --> 00:37:38,303 KNOWING THAT YOU CAN COME HOME. >> narrator: WHAT POLYNESIAN 1186 00:37:38,305 --> 00:37:39,938 >> narrator: WHAT POLYNESIAN ADVENTURERS ILLUSTRATE IS 1187 00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:40,906 ADVENTURERS ILLUSTRATE IS A CONCEPT THAT'S AT THE 1188 00:37:40,908 --> 00:37:42,474 A CONCEPT THAT'S AT THE FOREFRONT OF ALL PRE-COLUMBIAN 1189 00:37:42,476 --> 00:37:44,476 FOREFRONT OF ALL PRE-COLUMBIAN EXPLORATION THEORIES: 1190 00:37:44,478 --> 00:37:45,844 EXPLORATION THEORIES: THE CONCEPT THAT THE OCEAN 1191 00:37:45,846 --> 00:37:47,479 THE CONCEPT THAT THE OCEAN IS EASIER TO CROSS THAN 1192 00:37:47,481 --> 00:37:49,648 IS EASIER TO CROSS THAN ONE MIGHT THINK. 1193 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:51,583 ONE MIGHT THINK. >> WATER NEVER IS A BARRIER 1194 00:37:51,585 --> 00:37:52,517 >> WATER NEVER IS A BARRIER TO PEOPLE. 1195 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:53,819 TO PEOPLE. MOUNTAINS CAN BE A BARRIER. 1196 00:37:53,821 --> 00:37:54,853 MOUNTAINS CAN BE A BARRIER. YOU CAN GET VERY ISOLATED 1197 00:37:54,855 --> 00:37:56,087 YOU CAN GET VERY ISOLATED POPULATIONS IF YOU HAVE 1198 00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:56,988 POPULATIONS IF YOU HAVE MOUNTAINS BETWEEN THEM, 1199 00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:57,989 MOUNTAINS BETWEEN THEM, EVEN IF THEY JUST LIVE 1200 00:37:57,991 --> 00:37:59,291 EVEN IF THEY JUST LIVE A FEW MILES APART. 1201 00:37:59,293 --> 00:38:00,826 A FEW MILES APART. BUT WATER IS JUST NEVER 1202 00:38:00,828 --> 00:38:01,693 BUT WATER IS JUST NEVER A BARRIER. 1203 00:38:01,695 --> 00:38:02,694 A BARRIER. EVEN AN OCEAN IS MORE LIKE 1204 00:38:02,696 --> 00:38:05,430 EVEN AN OCEAN IS MORE LIKE A HIGHWAY THAN A BARRIER. 1205 00:38:05,432 --> 00:38:06,298 A HIGHWAY THAN A BARRIER. >> narrator: AND THERE WAS 1206 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:07,766 >> narrator: AND THERE WAS ALWAYS ONE SUREFIRE WAY 1207 00:38:07,768 --> 00:38:08,767 ALWAYS ONE SUREFIRE WAY FOR THESE EARLY MARINERS 1208 00:38:08,769 --> 00:38:10,602 FOR THESE EARLY MARINERS TO FIND LAND: 1209 00:38:10,604 --> 00:38:12,571 TO FIND LAND: JUST FOLLOW THE BIRDS. 1210 00:38:12,573 --> 00:38:35,126 [seagulls cawing] >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT 1211 00:38:35,128 --> 00:38:37,229 >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THESE 1212 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:38,897 WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THESE PRECONTACT PEOPLE HAD 1213 00:38:38,899 --> 00:38:41,466 PRECONTACT PEOPLE HAD TREMENDOUS CAPABILITIES. 1214 00:38:41,468 --> 00:38:42,467 TREMENDOUS CAPABILITIES. >> narrator: EVEN IF THE 1215 00:38:42,469 --> 00:38:43,702 >> narrator: EVEN IF THE POLYNESIANS DIDN'T FIND 1216 00:38:43,704 --> 00:38:46,571 POLYNESIANS DIDN'T FIND NORTH AMERICA IN 1000 A.D., 1217 00:38:46,573 --> 00:38:48,640 NORTH AMERICA IN 1000 A.D., SOMEONE ELSE DID. 1218 00:38:48,642 --> 00:38:49,841 SOMEONE ELSE DID. A SETTLEMENT IN NEWFOUNDLAND 1219 00:38:49,843 --> 00:38:51,743 A SETTLEMENT IN NEWFOUNDLAND PROVES THAT'S WHEN THE VIKINGS 1220 00:38:51,745 --> 00:38:54,279 PROVES THAT'S WHEN THE VIKINGS MADE IT TO CANADA, BUT DID THEY 1221 00:38:54,281 --> 00:38:56,414 MADE IT TO CANADA, BUT DID THEY REACH THE UNITED STATES? 1222 00:38:56,416 --> 00:38:58,183 REACH THE UNITED STATES? AND WAS THE U.S. ITSELF 1223 00:38:58,185 --> 00:38:59,751 AND WAS THE U.S. ITSELF ALREADY THE NEW HOMELAND 1224 00:38:59,753 --> 00:39:01,486 ALREADY THE NEW HOMELAND FOR ANCIENT ISRAELITES 1225 00:39:01,488 --> 00:39:03,421 FOR ANCIENT ISRAELITES WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA 1226 00:39:03,423 --> 00:39:05,624 WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA CENTURIES BEFORE? 1227 00:39:05,626 --> 00:39:11,896 >> narrator: 1000 A.D. TURNS OUT TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT YEAR 1228 00:39:11,898 --> 00:39:14,099 TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT YEAR FOR PRE-COLUMBIAN CONTACT. 1229 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:15,367 FOR PRE-COLUMBIAN CONTACT. THE POLYNESIANS MAY HAVE 1230 00:39:15,369 --> 00:39:16,901 THE POLYNESIANS MAY HAVE REACHED AMERICA, 1231 00:39:16,903 --> 00:39:21,106 REACHED AMERICA, BUT THE NORSE DEFINITELY DID. 1232 00:39:21,108 --> 00:39:24,609 BUT THE NORSE DEFINITELY DID. SCANDINAVIA, 1000 A.D., 1233 00:39:24,611 --> 00:39:29,247 SCANDINAVIA, 1000 A.D., STILL 492 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 1234 00:39:29,249 --> 00:39:30,915 STILL 492 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. THE VIKINGS WERE EXPLORING 1235 00:39:30,917 --> 00:39:32,384 THE VIKINGS WERE EXPLORING THE NORTH ATLANTIC. 1236 00:39:32,386 --> 00:39:34,285 THE NORTH ATLANTIC. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME 1237 00:39:34,287 --> 00:39:36,354 IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ONE OF THEM SAILED 1238 00:39:36,356 --> 00:39:41,926 BEFORE ONE OF THEM SAILED ALL THE WAY TO NORTH AMERICA. 1239 00:39:41,928 --> 00:39:43,294 ALL THE WAY TO NORTH AMERICA. >> ACCORDING TO THE SAGAS, 1240 00:39:43,296 --> 00:39:45,030 >> ACCORDING TO THE SAGAS, LEIF ERIKSSON IS THE ONE WHO 1241 00:39:45,032 --> 00:39:46,965 LEIF ERIKSSON IS THE ONE WHO TRAVELED FROM GREENLAND OVER 1242 00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:48,867 TRAVELED FROM GREENLAND OVER TO THE NEW WORLD TO EXPLORE 1243 00:39:48,869 --> 00:39:51,136 TO THE NEW WORLD TO EXPLORE THE NEW LAND. 1244 00:39:51,138 --> 00:39:52,237 THE NEW LAND. >> narrator: LEIF ERIKSSON WAS 1245 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,172 >> narrator: LEIF ERIKSSON WAS THE SON OF ERIK THE RED, 1246 00:39:54,174 --> 00:39:55,240 THE SON OF ERIK THE RED, WHO STARTED THE FIRST 1247 00:39:55,242 --> 00:39:57,509 WHO STARTED THE FIRST NORSE SETTLEMENT IN GREENLAND. 1248 00:39:57,511 --> 00:39:59,344 NORSE SETTLEMENT IN GREENLAND. A VOYAGER LIKE HIS FATHER, 1249 00:39:59,346 --> 00:40:01,146 A VOYAGER LIKE HIS FATHER, LEIF WAS INTRIGUED WHEN ANOTHER 1250 00:40:01,148 --> 00:40:02,947 LEIF WAS INTRIGUED WHEN ANOTHER VIKING TOLD HIM THERE WAS LAND 1251 00:40:02,949 --> 00:40:04,416 VIKING TOLD HIM THERE WAS LAND WEST OF GREENLAND, 1252 00:40:04,418 --> 00:40:06,151 WEST OF GREENLAND, LAND GLIMPSED FROM AFAR 1253 00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:08,319 LAND GLIMPSED FROM AFAR BUT NEVER EXPLORED. 1254 00:40:08,321 --> 00:40:09,421 BUT NEVER EXPLORED. LEIF QUICKLY GATHERED 1255 00:40:09,423 --> 00:40:11,689 LEIF QUICKLY GATHERED A GROUP OF 35 MEN AND WOMEN 1256 00:40:11,691 --> 00:40:13,491 A GROUP OF 35 MEN AND WOMEN AND SET SAIL AFTER BUYING 1257 00:40:13,493 --> 00:40:15,460 AND SET SAIL AFTER BUYING THE VIKING SHIP OWNED BY THE MAN 1258 00:40:15,462 --> 00:40:17,896 THE VIKING SHIP OWNED BY THE MAN WHO TOLD HIM THE TALE. 1259 00:40:17,898 --> 00:40:19,197 WHO TOLD HIM THE TALE. >> VIKING SHIPS WERE BUILT 1260 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:20,632 >> VIKING SHIPS WERE BUILT LIKE A STRONG ROWBOAT, 1261 00:40:20,634 --> 00:40:22,067 LIKE A STRONG ROWBOAT, CLINKER BUILT, THAT IS, 1262 00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:23,168 CLINKER BUILT, THAT IS, WITH PLANKS OVERLAPPING 1263 00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:24,803 WITH PLANKS OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER AND PINNED OR NAILED 1264 00:40:24,805 --> 00:40:26,271 EACH OTHER AND PINNED OR NAILED TOGETHER. 1265 00:40:26,273 --> 00:40:28,339 TOGETHER. THAT GIVES A BOAT A GREAT DEAL 1266 00:40:28,341 --> 00:40:29,808 THAT GIVES A BOAT A GREAT DEAL OF STRENGTH. 1267 00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:31,009 OF STRENGTH. >> narrator: CALLED KNAARS, 1268 00:40:31,011 --> 00:40:32,177 >> narrator: CALLED KNAARS, THESE SHIPS WERE OVER 1269 00:40:32,179 --> 00:40:33,978 THESE SHIPS WERE OVER 50 FEET LONG AND COULD CARRY 1270 00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:36,414 50 FEET LONG AND COULD CARRY OVER 20 TONS OF CARGO. 1271 00:40:36,416 --> 00:40:38,016 OVER 20 TONS OF CARGO. DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH, 1272 00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:39,184 DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH, KNAARS COULD REACH A SPEED 1273 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:41,486 KNAARS COULD REACH A SPEED OF ABOUT 13 KNOTS. 1274 00:40:41,488 --> 00:40:43,621 OF ABOUT 13 KNOTS. LEIF'S PARTY OF 35 LIKELY HAD 1275 00:40:43,623 --> 00:40:45,223 LEIF'S PARTY OF 35 LIKELY HAD A RELATIVELY EASY TIME MAKING 1276 00:40:45,225 --> 00:40:47,292 A RELATIVELY EASY TIME MAKING A JOURNEY TO AMERICA FOLLOWING 1277 00:40:47,294 --> 00:40:48,593 A JOURNEY TO AMERICA FOLLOWING SUBPOLAR CURRENTS IN 1278 00:40:48,595 --> 00:40:51,196 SUBPOLAR CURRENTS IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC. 1279 00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:52,764 THE NORTH ATLANTIC. >> ALL THAT YOU NEED TO DO 1280 00:40:52,766 --> 00:40:54,866 >> ALL THAT YOU NEED TO DO IS JUST TO CROSS FROM EUROPE 1281 00:40:54,868 --> 00:40:56,768 IS JUST TO CROSS FROM EUROPE TO GREENLAND, AND THEN 1282 00:40:56,770 --> 00:40:59,237 TO GREENLAND, AND THEN YOU CAN FOLLOW THE COAST. 1283 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,206 YOU CAN FOLLOW THE COAST. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AROUND 1284 00:41:01,208 --> 00:41:05,210 I THINK THAT WOULD BE AROUND 250 DAYS. 1285 00:41:05,212 --> 00:41:06,211 250 DAYS. >> narrator: THIS IS THE VIKING 1286 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,712 >> narrator: THIS IS THE VIKING SETTLEMENT IN NEWFOUNDLAND 1287 00:41:07,714 --> 00:41:10,215 SETTLEMENT IN NEWFOUNDLAND LEIF GETS CREDIT FOR FOUNDING. 1288 00:41:10,217 --> 00:41:11,549 LEIF GETS CREDIT FOR FOUNDING. IT'S CALLED L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS 1289 00:41:11,551 --> 00:41:12,784 IT'S CALLED L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS AND IS DATED TO AROUND 1290 00:41:12,786 --> 00:41:14,786 AND IS DATED TO AROUND 1000 A.D. 1291 00:41:14,788 --> 00:41:16,688 1000 A.D. THE SITE IS UNDISPUTED PROOF 1292 00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:17,689 THE SITE IS UNDISPUTED PROOF THE VIKINGS MADE IT 1293 00:41:17,691 --> 00:41:19,791 THE VIKINGS MADE IT TO NORTH AMERICA. 1294 00:41:19,793 --> 00:41:21,125 TO NORTH AMERICA. BUT ACCORDING TO THE NORSE 1295 00:41:21,127 --> 00:41:22,527 BUT ACCORDING TO THE NORSE SAGAS, THEY EVENTUALLY WENT 1296 00:41:22,529 --> 00:41:24,295 SAGAS, THEY EVENTUALLY WENT FURTHER THAN THAT TO A LAND 1297 00:41:24,297 --> 00:41:26,064 FURTHER THAN THAT TO A LAND CALLED VINLAND. 1298 00:41:26,066 --> 00:41:26,998 CALLED VINLAND. >> SO L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS IS 1299 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,333 >> SO L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS IS ACTUALLY A--YOU COULD SEE IT 1300 00:41:28,335 --> 00:41:30,535 ACTUALLY A--YOU COULD SEE IT AS A GATEWAY INTO WHAT WOULD 1301 00:41:30,537 --> 00:41:33,238 AS A GATEWAY INTO WHAT WOULD BE VINLAND. 1302 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,072 BE VINLAND. >> narrator: "VINLAND" MEANS 1303 00:41:34,074 --> 00:41:35,974 >> narrator: "VINLAND" MEANS EITHER LAND OF GRAPES 1304 00:41:35,976 --> 00:41:37,308 EITHER LAND OF GRAPES OR LAND OF PASTURES, 1305 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:38,509 OR LAND OF PASTURES, NEITHER OF WHICH ACCURATELY 1306 00:41:38,511 --> 00:41:41,145 NEITHER OF WHICH ACCURATELY DESCRIBE L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS. 1307 00:41:41,147 --> 00:41:43,381 DESCRIBE L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS. THAT IMPLIES A LARGER SETTLEMENT 1308 00:41:43,383 --> 00:41:44,749 THAT IMPLIES A LARGER SETTLEMENT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PINPOINTED 1309 00:41:44,751 --> 00:41:46,551 THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PINPOINTED LIES ELSEWHERE, WHICH WOULD 1310 00:41:46,553 --> 00:41:48,419 LIES ELSEWHERE, WHICH WOULD EXPLAIN A CURIOUS FINDING 1311 00:41:48,421 --> 00:41:50,255 EXPLAIN A CURIOUS FINDING AT THE SETTLEMENT SITE. 1312 00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:52,357 AT THE SETTLEMENT SITE. >> BUTTERNUT HUSKS AND BUTTERNUT 1313 00:41:52,359 --> 00:41:53,658 >> BUTTERNUT HUSKS AND BUTTERNUT WOOD WAS FOUND, AND THAT'S NOT 1314 00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:55,560 WOOD WAS FOUND, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU FIND NATURALLY 1315 00:41:55,562 --> 00:41:56,728 SOMETHING YOU FIND NATURALLY AT L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS 1316 00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:59,063 AT L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS OR IN THIS AREA. 1317 00:41:59,065 --> 00:42:00,698 OR IN THIS AREA. >> narrator: BUTTERNUT IS NATIVE 1318 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,034 >> narrator: BUTTERNUT IS NATIVE TO SOUTHEASTERN CANADA AND THE 1319 00:42:03,036 --> 00:42:05,536 TO SOUTHEASTERN CANADA AND THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. 1320 00:42:05,538 --> 00:42:06,971 EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. IT'S ON THE EAST COAST THAT 1321 00:42:06,973 --> 00:42:09,307 IT'S ON THE EAST COAST THAT A CRITICAL CLUE TO WHERE VINLAND 1322 00:42:09,309 --> 00:42:14,112 A CRITICAL CLUE TO WHERE VINLAND MIGHT BE TURNED UP IN 1957. 1323 00:42:14,114 --> 00:42:16,014 MIGHT BE TURNED UP IN 1957. >> THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE 1324 00:42:16,016 --> 00:42:17,749 >> THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE THAT THE VIKINGS MADE IT TO 1325 00:42:17,751 --> 00:42:19,917 THAT THE VIKINGS MADE IT TO THE UNITED STATES IS A NORWEGIAN 1326 00:42:19,919 --> 00:42:21,953 THE UNITED STATES IS A NORWEGIAN SILVER PENNY, A SMALL COIN, 1327 00:42:21,955 --> 00:42:23,788 SILVER PENNY, A SMALL COIN, FOUND IN BROOKLIN, MAINE, 1328 00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:25,390 FOUND IN BROOKLIN, MAINE, AND IT'S DATED TO THE REIGN 1329 00:42:25,392 --> 00:42:27,725 AND IT'S DATED TO THE REIGN OF KING OLAF KYRRE, WHICH IS IN 1330 00:42:27,727 --> 00:42:28,626 OF KING OLAF KYRRE, WHICH IS IN THE LATER PART OF THE 1331 00:42:28,628 --> 00:42:31,095 THE LATER PART OF THE 11TH CENTURY. 1332 00:42:31,097 --> 00:42:32,063 11TH CENTURY. >> WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS COIN 1333 00:42:32,065 --> 00:42:34,632 >> WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS COIN WAS FOUND, CONCEIVABLY PLANTED. 1334 00:42:34,634 --> 00:42:36,301 WAS FOUND, CONCEIVABLY PLANTED. OUR BEST GUESS IS THAT IT WASN'T 1335 00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:37,368 OUR BEST GUESS IS THAT IT WASN'T PLANTED, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN. 1336 00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:39,437 PLANTED, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN. BUT WE AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE 1337 00:42:39,439 --> 00:42:40,972 BUT WE AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS AN HONEST-TO-GOD 1338 00:42:40,974 --> 00:42:42,373 THAT IT IS AN HONEST-TO-GOD AUTHENTIC NORSE ARTIFACT FROM 1339 00:42:42,375 --> 00:42:43,508 AUTHENTIC NORSE ARTIFACT FROM AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL CONTEXT 1340 00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:46,577 AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL CONTEXT ON THE MAINE COAST. 1341 00:42:46,579 --> 00:42:47,612 ON THE MAINE COAST. >> WE DON'T KNOW IF THE UNITED 1342 00:42:47,614 --> 00:42:48,913 >> WE DON'T KNOW IF THE UNITED STATES COULD BE VINLAND. 1343 00:42:48,915 --> 00:42:50,548 STATES COULD BE VINLAND. WE KNOW THAT L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS 1344 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:51,749 WE KNOW THAT L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS WAS A BASE CAMP, AND WE KNOW 1345 00:42:51,751 --> 00:42:54,085 WAS A BASE CAMP, AND WE KNOW THAT THE NORSE WENT INLAND 1346 00:42:54,087 --> 00:42:56,921 THAT THE NORSE WENT INLAND SOMEWHERE. 1347 00:42:56,923 --> 00:42:58,122 SOMEWHERE. >> narrator: THE EAST COAST 1348 00:42:58,124 --> 00:42:59,624 >> narrator: THE EAST COAST IS HOME TO SOME OTHER ARTIFACTS 1349 00:42:59,626 --> 00:43:01,859 IS HOME TO SOME OTHER ARTIFACTS THOUGHT TO BE NORSE. 1350 00:43:01,861 --> 00:43:03,328 THOUGHT TO BE NORSE. THESE STONES CARVED WITH SOME 1351 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:04,629 THESE STONES CARVED WITH SOME RUNES FROM AN EARLY SCANDINAVIAN 1352 00:43:04,631 --> 00:43:06,397 RUNES FROM AN EARLY SCANDINAVIAN ALPHABET CALLED THE FUTHARK 1353 00:43:06,399 --> 00:43:08,132 ALPHABET CALLED THE FUTHARK WERE FOUND PARTIALLY BURIED 1354 00:43:08,134 --> 00:43:09,834 WERE FOUND PARTIALLY BURIED NEAR SPIRIT POND IN MAINE, 1355 00:43:09,836 --> 00:43:11,636 NEAR SPIRIT POND IN MAINE, SOME 150 MILES FROM WHERE 1356 00:43:11,638 --> 00:43:13,905 SOME 150 MILES FROM WHERE THE PENNY WAS FOUND. 1357 00:43:13,907 --> 00:43:15,506 THE PENNY WAS FOUND. WHILE ACADEMICS AGREE THE PENNY 1358 00:43:15,508 --> 00:43:18,009 WHILE ACADEMICS AGREE THE PENNY IS VIKING AGE AND GENUINE, 1359 00:43:18,011 --> 00:43:19,744 IS VIKING AGE AND GENUINE, THESE STONES ARE WIDELY REGARDED 1360 00:43:19,746 --> 00:43:21,379 THESE STONES ARE WIDELY REGARDED AS FRAUDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T 1361 00:43:21,381 --> 00:43:22,513 AS FRAUDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T RESEMBLE TRADITIONAL 1362 00:43:22,515 --> 00:43:23,781 RESEMBLE TRADITIONAL RUNESTONES FOUND THROUGHOUT 1363 00:43:23,783 --> 00:43:25,216 RUNESTONES FOUND THROUGHOUT SCANDINAVIA. 1364 00:43:25,218 --> 00:43:26,350 SCANDINAVIA. >> RUNIC CARVINGS ARE GENERALLY 1365 00:43:26,352 --> 00:43:27,518 >> RUNIC CARVINGS ARE GENERALLY ON PROMINENT STONES WHERE 1366 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,786 ON PROMINENT STONES WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM. 1367 00:43:28,788 --> 00:43:30,388 PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM. THEY ARE NOT OBSCURED BY BEING 1368 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:31,522 THEY ARE NOT OBSCURED BY BEING ON SMALL STONES AND BURIED 1369 00:43:31,524 --> 00:43:32,523 ON SMALL STONES AND BURIED IN THE GROUND. 1370 00:43:32,525 --> 00:43:33,858 IN THE GROUND. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT 1371 00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:35,927 SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT WHOEVER CREATED THESE STONES 1372 00:43:35,929 --> 00:43:38,930 WHOEVER CREATED THESE STONES WAS TRYING TO PUT ONE OVER 1373 00:43:38,932 --> 00:43:41,799 WAS TRYING TO PUT ONE OVER ON SOMEONE. 1374 00:43:41,801 --> 00:43:42,934 ON SOMEONE. >> narrator: OTHER STONES WITH 1375 00:43:42,936 --> 00:43:44,202 >> narrator: OTHER STONES WITH RUNIC INSCRIPTIONS HAVE TURNED 1376 00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:45,203 RUNIC INSCRIPTIONS HAVE TURNED UP EVEN FURTHER INTO THE 1377 00:43:45,205 --> 00:43:46,671 UP EVEN FURTHER INTO THE UNITED STATES. 1378 00:43:46,673 --> 00:43:47,939 UNITED STATES. THE MOST FAMOUS IS 1379 00:43:47,941 --> 00:43:50,108 THE MOST FAMOUS IS THE KENSINGTON RUNESTONE, 1380 00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:51,375 THE KENSINGTON RUNESTONE, UNEARTHED BY A FARMER 1381 00:43:51,377 --> 00:43:54,979 UNEARTHED BY A FARMER IN MINNESOTA IN 1898. 1382 00:43:54,981 --> 00:43:57,515 IN MINNESOTA IN 1898. IT DETAILS A VOYAGE BY 8 GOTHS 1383 00:43:57,517 --> 00:43:59,450 IT DETAILS A VOYAGE BY 8 GOTHS AND 22 NORWEGIANS ON AN 1384 00:43:59,452 --> 00:44:01,152 AND 22 NORWEGIANS ON AN ACQUISITION JOURNEY FAR TO 1385 00:44:01,154 --> 00:44:02,687 ACQUISITION JOURNEY FAR TO THE WEST OF VINLAND 1386 00:44:02,689 --> 00:44:06,224 THE WEST OF VINLAND IN THE YEAR 1362. 1387 00:44:06,226 --> 00:44:08,126 IN THE YEAR 1362. IT ALSO GRAPHICALLY DEPICTS 1388 00:44:08,128 --> 00:44:09,861 IT ALSO GRAPHICALLY DEPICTS THE DEMISE OF TEN OF THE MEN, 1389 00:44:09,863 --> 00:44:11,395 THE DEMISE OF TEN OF THE MEN, FOUND "RED WITH BLOOD 1390 00:44:11,397 --> 00:44:13,898 FOUND "RED WITH BLOOD AND DEATH." 1391 00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:15,233 AND DEATH." >> THE PROBLEMS MOST SCHOLARS 1392 00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:16,467 >> THE PROBLEMS MOST SCHOLARS HAVE WITH THE KENSINGTON 1393 00:44:16,469 --> 00:44:17,869 HAVE WITH THE KENSINGTON RUNESTONE IS THAT THE RUNES 1394 00:44:17,871 --> 00:44:19,704 RUNESTONE IS THAT THE RUNES ON IT AND THE STONE ITSELF 1395 00:44:19,706 --> 00:44:21,005 ON IT AND THE STONE ITSELF AND THE INSCRIPTION, 1396 00:44:21,007 --> 00:44:22,206 AND THE INSCRIPTION, THE FORMULA, THE MESSAGE, 1397 00:44:22,208 --> 00:44:24,008 THE FORMULA, THE MESSAGE, IS NOTHING LIKE A RUNESTONE 1398 00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:25,810 IS NOTHING LIKE A RUNESTONE WOULD BE IN SCANDINAVIA DURING 1399 00:44:25,812 --> 00:44:28,646 WOULD BE IN SCANDINAVIA DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. 1400 00:44:28,648 --> 00:44:29,647 THIS TIME PERIOD. >> narrator: ANOTHER PROBLEM: 1401 00:44:29,649 --> 00:44:30,748 >> narrator: ANOTHER PROBLEM: THERE'S NO TRACE OF THE 1402 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:32,250 THERE'S NO TRACE OF THE TEN DEAD VOYAGERS REFERENCED 1403 00:44:32,252 --> 00:44:33,751 TEN DEAD VOYAGERS REFERENCED ON THE STONE. 1404 00:44:33,753 --> 00:44:35,419 ON THE STONE. ARCHAEOLOGISTS SPENT TIME 1405 00:44:35,421 --> 00:44:36,420 ARCHAEOLOGISTS SPENT TIME LOOKING FOR THEIR REMAINS 1406 00:44:36,422 --> 00:44:38,256 LOOKING FOR THEIR REMAINS IN THE 1980s. 1407 00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:39,190 IN THE 1980s. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 1408 00:44:39,192 --> 00:44:40,291 >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED US WHEN WE WERE DOING 1409 00:44:40,293 --> 00:44:41,926 BOTHERED US WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH 1410 00:44:41,928 --> 00:44:42,860 OUR ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH WAS THAT AS WE LOOKED 1411 00:44:42,862 --> 00:44:44,128 WAS THAT AS WE LOOKED ALL AROUND, WE COULDN'T FIND 1412 00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:46,531 ALL AROUND, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF BURIALS. 1413 00:44:46,533 --> 00:44:47,698 ANY EVIDENCE OF BURIALS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING 1414 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,300 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING TO HAVE FOUND SOME EVIDENCE 1415 00:44:49,302 --> 00:44:50,268 TO HAVE FOUND SOME EVIDENCE OF GRAVES OR TO HAVE HEARD 1416 00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:51,435 OF GRAVES OR TO HAVE HEARD SOMEBODY IN THE PAST HAVING 1417 00:44:51,437 --> 00:44:53,738 SOMEBODY IN THE PAST HAVING TALKED ABOUT GRAVES. 1418 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:55,072 TALKED ABOUT GRAVES. THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE 1419 00:44:55,074 --> 00:44:56,474 THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE ISN'T NECESSARILY A NEGATIVE. 1420 00:44:56,476 --> 00:44:57,441 ISN'T NECESSARILY A NEGATIVE. IT JUST MEANS WE DIDN'T 1421 00:44:57,443 --> 00:44:59,744 IT JUST MEANS WE DIDN'T FIND IT. 1422 00:44:59,746 --> 00:45:04,916 >> narrator: GEOLOGIST SCOTT WOLTER SAYS HE DID 1423 00:45:04,918 --> 00:45:06,083 SCOTT WOLTER SAYS HE DID FIND PROOF THE STONE 1424 00:45:06,085 --> 00:45:09,287 FIND PROOF THE STONE IS NO 19TH-CENTURY HOAX. 1425 00:45:09,289 --> 00:45:11,522 IS NO 19TH-CENTURY HOAX. IN 2000, HE ANALYZED 1426 00:45:11,524 --> 00:45:12,823 IN 2000, HE ANALYZED THE WEATHERING OF MINERALS 1427 00:45:12,825 --> 00:45:14,525 THE WEATHERING OF MINERALS IN THE STONE'S INSCRIPTION 1428 00:45:14,527 --> 00:45:17,662 IN THE STONE'S INSCRIPTION TO DETERMINE WHEN IT WAS CARVED. 1429 00:45:17,664 --> 00:45:19,530 TO DETERMINE WHEN IT WAS CARVED. >> THE WEATHERING STUDY PROVES 1430 00:45:19,532 --> 00:45:21,232 >> THE WEATHERING STUDY PROVES THAT WHOEVER CARVED THIS 1431 00:45:21,234 --> 00:45:22,466 THAT WHOEVER CARVED THIS DID IT AT LEAST 200 YEARS 1432 00:45:22,468 --> 00:45:24,468 DID IT AT LEAST 200 YEARS PRIOR TO WHEN IT WAS PULLED OUT 1433 00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:26,637 PRIOR TO WHEN IT WAS PULLED OUT OF THE GROUND IN 1898, 1434 00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:28,472 OF THE GROUND IN 1898, WHICH MEANS THAT IT CAN'T BE 1435 00:45:28,474 --> 00:45:29,974 WHICH MEANS THAT IT CAN'T BE THE LATE 19TH-CENTURY HOAX 1436 00:45:29,976 --> 00:45:30,942 THE LATE 19TH-CENTURY HOAX THAT EVERYBODY CLAIMED. 1437 00:45:30,944 --> 00:45:34,078 THAT EVERYBODY CLAIMED. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. 1438 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,946 THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. >> narrator: REGARDLESS 1439 00:45:34,948 --> 00:45:36,714 >> narrator: REGARDLESS OF WHEN THE STONE WAS CARVED, 1440 00:45:36,716 --> 00:45:39,016 OF WHEN THE STONE WAS CARVED, MOST ACADEMICS QUESTION 1441 00:45:39,018 --> 00:45:40,384 MOST ACADEMICS QUESTION NORSE VOYAGERS' ABILITY TO 1442 00:45:40,386 --> 00:45:43,487 NORSE VOYAGERS' ABILITY TO MAKE IT SO FAR INLAND. 1443 00:45:43,489 --> 00:45:45,189 MAKE IT SO FAR INLAND. FROM THE GULF OF SAINT LAWRENCE 1444 00:45:45,191 --> 00:45:46,357 FROM THE GULF OF SAINT LAWRENCE WHERE THE L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS 1445 00:45:46,359 --> 00:45:47,792 WHERE THE L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS SITE IS FOUND, ONE ROUTE WOULD 1446 00:45:47,794 --> 00:45:49,293 SITE IS FOUND, ONE ROUTE WOULD HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO PORTAGE 1447 00:45:49,295 --> 00:45:50,728 HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO PORTAGE OVER THE LA CHINE RAPIDS 1448 00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:52,763 OVER THE LA CHINE RAPIDS NEAR MONTREAL AND PORTAGE OVER 1449 00:45:52,765 --> 00:45:54,498 NEAR MONTREAL AND PORTAGE OVER NIAGARA FALLS BEFORE 1450 00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,200 NIAGARA FALLS BEFORE MAKING IT INTO THE GREAT LAKES 1451 00:45:56,202 --> 00:45:57,501 MAKING IT INTO THE GREAT LAKES AND ON TO KENSINGTON 1452 00:45:57,503 --> 00:46:00,137 AND ON TO KENSINGTON VIA A SERIES OF RIVERS. 1453 00:46:00,139 --> 00:46:01,205 VIA A SERIES OF RIVERS. >> CERTAINLY SOME TYPES OF 1454 00:46:01,207 --> 00:46:03,641 >> CERTAINLY SOME TYPES OF VIKING SHIPS WERE SMALL ENOUGH 1455 00:46:03,643 --> 00:46:04,642 VIKING SHIPS WERE SMALL ENOUGH THAT A GROUP OF MEN COULD LIFT 1456 00:46:04,644 --> 00:46:06,744 THAT A GROUP OF MEN COULD LIFT THEM AND CARRY THEM OVERLAND 1457 00:46:06,746 --> 00:46:07,678 THEM AND CARRY THEM OVERLAND IN A PORTAGE. 1458 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,313 IN A PORTAGE. IF THE VIKINGS CAME OVER 1459 00:46:09,315 --> 00:46:10,381 IF THE VIKINGS CAME OVER IN A LARGE ENOUGH FORCE, 1460 00:46:10,383 --> 00:46:11,749 IN A LARGE ENOUGH FORCE, TOWING SMALLER VESSELS BEHIND 1461 00:46:11,751 --> 00:46:12,850 TOWING SMALLER VESSELS BEHIND THEIR LARGER SHIPS, 1462 00:46:12,852 --> 00:46:14,118 THEIR LARGER SHIPS, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE 1463 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,252 IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD HAVE MOVED 1464 00:46:15,254 --> 00:46:16,854 THAT THEY COULD HAVE MOVED AND PENETRATED FURTHER 1465 00:46:16,856 --> 00:46:18,522 AND PENETRATED FURTHER INTO THE AMERICAS. 1466 00:46:18,524 --> 00:46:19,824 INTO THE AMERICAS. THE QUESTION IS, 1467 00:46:19,826 --> 00:46:22,126 THE QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? 1468 00:46:22,128 --> 00:46:23,160 WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? >> narrator: THE SETTLEMENT 1469 00:46:23,162 --> 00:46:24,562 >> narrator: THE SETTLEMENT IN NEWFOUNDLAND IS PROOF 1470 00:46:24,564 --> 00:46:25,896 IN NEWFOUNDLAND IS PROOF ON ITS OWN THAT THE VIKINGS 1471 00:46:25,898 --> 00:46:27,531 ON ITS OWN THAT THE VIKINGS MADE IT TO THE NEW WORLD 1472 00:46:27,533 --> 00:46:30,701 MADE IT TO THE NEW WORLD BEFORE COLUMBUS, WHETHER OR NOT 1473 00:46:30,703 --> 00:46:32,303 BEFORE COLUMBUS, WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THESE RUNESTONES 1474 00:46:32,305 --> 00:46:33,704 ANY OF THESE RUNESTONES ARE AUTHENTIC OR WHETHER 1475 00:46:33,706 --> 00:46:35,106 ARE AUTHENTIC OR WHETHER THIS PENNY WAS DROPPED 1476 00:46:35,108 --> 00:46:37,441 THIS PENNY WAS DROPPED BY A REAL VIKING VOYAGER. 1477 00:46:37,443 --> 00:46:39,377 BY A REAL VIKING VOYAGER. BUT IT'S POSSIBLE EVEN THE NORSE 1478 00:46:39,379 --> 00:46:40,811 BUT IT'S POSSIBLE EVEN THE NORSE WEREN'T THE FIRST EUROPEANS 1479 00:46:40,813 --> 00:46:43,047 WEREN'T THE FIRST EUROPEANS TO FIND AMERICA. 1480 00:46:43,049 --> 00:46:44,548 TO FIND AMERICA. COULD A MISSIONARY WITH A MOTIVE 1481 00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:46,851 COULD A MISSIONARY WITH A MOTIVE HAVE BLAZED THE TRAIL 500 YEARS 1482 00:46:46,853 --> 00:46:49,220 HAVE BLAZED THE TRAIL 500 YEARS EARLIER, FINDING A LAND 1483 00:46:49,222 --> 00:46:51,088 EARLIER, FINDING A LAND HE CALLED "PARADISE" 1484 00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:53,891 HE CALLED "PARADISE" AND RETURNING TO TELL THE TALE? 1485 00:46:53,893 --> 00:47:05,352 >> narrator: IN 1492, COLUMBUS DIDN'T DISCOVER A NEW WORLD. 1486 00:47:05,354 --> 00:47:06,987 DIDN'T DISCOVER A NEW WORLD. THE POLYNESIANS MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1487 00:47:06,989 --> 00:47:10,991 THE POLYNESIANS MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN CALIFORNIA IN 1000 A.D. 1488 00:47:10,993 --> 00:47:12,760 IN CALIFORNIA IN 1000 A.D. THE VIKINGS DEFINITELY MADE IT 1489 00:47:12,762 --> 00:47:15,096 THE VIKINGS DEFINITELY MADE IT AS FAR AS CANADA, MAYBE AS FAR 1490 00:47:15,098 --> 00:47:16,931 AS FAR AS CANADA, MAYBE AS FAR AS MAINE, BUT COULD THOSE 1491 00:47:16,933 --> 00:47:18,632 AS MAINE, BUT COULD THOSE VIKINGS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING 1492 00:47:18,634 --> 00:47:21,435 VIKINGS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE IRISH? 1493 00:47:21,437 --> 00:47:24,772 THE IRISH? IRELAND, 530 A.D., 1494 00:47:24,774 --> 00:47:28,776 IRELAND, 530 A.D., 962 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 1495 00:47:28,778 --> 00:47:30,277 962 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 1496 00:47:30,279 --> 00:47:31,912 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, THE ROMAN EMPIRE HAS FALLEN 1497 00:47:31,914 --> 00:47:33,881 THE ROMAN EMPIRE HAS FALLEN TO GERMANIC TRIBES, 1498 00:47:33,883 --> 00:47:35,049 TO GERMANIC TRIBES, AND EUROPE IS ENTERING 1499 00:47:35,051 --> 00:47:37,384 AND EUROPE IS ENTERING THE DARK AGES. 1500 00:47:37,386 --> 00:47:39,453 THE DARK AGES. IN IRELAND, ATOP A MOUNTAIN 1501 00:47:39,455 --> 00:47:40,788 IN IRELAND, ATOP A MOUNTAIN ON THE DINGLE PENINSULA, 1502 00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:42,556 ON THE DINGLE PENINSULA, SAINT BRENDAN THE NAVIGATOR 1503 00:47:42,558 --> 00:47:44,792 SAINT BRENDAN THE NAVIGATOR HAD A VISION OF PARADISE. 1504 00:47:44,794 --> 00:47:46,460 HAD A VISION OF PARADISE. LEGEND SAYS HE FOUND IT 1505 00:47:46,462 --> 00:47:51,265 LEGEND SAYS HE FOUND IT AND THAT IT WAS AMERICA. 1506 00:47:51,267 --> 00:47:52,800 AND THAT IT WAS AMERICA. >> BRENDAN WAS 1507 00:47:52,802 --> 00:47:54,268 >> BRENDAN WAS THE QUINTESSENTIAL SAILOR. 1508 00:47:54,270 --> 00:47:56,070 THE QUINTESSENTIAL SAILOR. HE WAS THE MOST ACCREDITED 1509 00:47:56,072 --> 00:47:57,705 HE WAS THE MOST ACCREDITED NAVIGATOR, SAILOR, 1510 00:47:57,707 --> 00:48:00,908 NAVIGATOR, SAILOR, OF MEDIEVAL TIMES. 1511 00:48:00,910 --> 00:48:02,109 OF MEDIEVAL TIMES. >> narrator: BORN NEAR TRALEE 1512 00:48:02,111 --> 00:48:03,577 >> narrator: BORN NEAR TRALEE IN COUNTY KERRY, IRELAND, 1513 00:48:03,579 --> 00:48:06,447 IN COUNTY KERRY, IRELAND, IN 484 A.D., BRENDAN WAS 1514 00:48:06,449 --> 00:48:09,183 IN 484 A.D., BRENDAN WAS ORDAINED A PRIEST AT AGE 28. 1515 00:48:09,185 --> 00:48:10,484 ORDAINED A PRIEST AT AGE 28. HE IS SAID TO HAVE SPENT TIME 1516 00:48:10,486 --> 00:48:11,919 HE IS SAID TO HAVE SPENT TIME SAILING THE NORTH ATLANTIC 1517 00:48:11,921 --> 00:48:13,587 SAILING THE NORTH ATLANTIC SPREADING CHRISTIANITY. 1518 00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:14,989 SPREADING CHRISTIANITY. HE'S EVEN SAID TO HAVE BEATEN 1519 00:48:14,991 --> 00:48:16,323 HE'S EVEN SAID TO HAVE BEATEN THE NORSE TO GREENLAND, 1520 00:48:16,325 --> 00:48:18,092 THE NORSE TO GREENLAND, WHICH WAS POPULATED AT THE TIME 1521 00:48:18,094 --> 00:48:20,828 WHICH WAS POPULATED AT THE TIME BY PALEO-ESKIMO WHALE HUNTERS. 1522 00:48:20,830 --> 00:48:22,830 BY PALEO-ESKIMO WHALE HUNTERS. WHEN SAINT BRENDAN SUPPOSEDLY 1523 00:48:22,832 --> 00:48:24,832 WHEN SAINT BRENDAN SUPPOSEDLY FOUND AMERICA, HE WAS ALLEGEDLY 1524 00:48:24,834 --> 00:48:26,467 FOUND AMERICA, HE WAS ALLEGEDLY LOOKING FOR TERRA REPROMISSIONIS 1525 00:48:26,469 --> 00:48:28,636 LOOKING FOR TERRA REPROMISSIONIS SANCTORUM, OR THE LAND PROMISED 1526 00:48:28,638 --> 00:48:30,704 SANCTORUM, OR THE LAND PROMISED TO THE SAINTS. 1527 00:48:30,706 --> 00:48:33,240 TO THE SAINTS. >> HE ANTICIPATED THAT THERE 1528 00:48:33,242 --> 00:48:34,975 >> HE ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WAS A WORLD OUTSIDE OF THIS 1529 00:48:34,977 --> 00:48:38,612 WAS A WORLD OUTSIDE OF THIS ISLAND, AND HENCE ULTIMATELY 1530 00:48:38,614 --> 00:48:40,281 ISLAND, AND HENCE ULTIMATELY CROSSED THE ATLANTIC TO 1531 00:48:40,283 --> 00:48:42,449 CROSSED THE ATLANTIC TO AMERICA. 1532 00:48:42,451 --> 00:48:43,450 AMERICA. >> narrator: THE TALE OF SAINT 1533 00:48:43,452 --> 00:48:45,085 >> narrator: THE TALE OF SAINT BRENDAN'S VOYAGE IS RECORDED 1534 00:48:45,087 --> 00:48:48,188 BRENDAN'S VOYAGE IS RECORDED IN A TEXT CALLED THE NAVAGATIO. 1535 00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:49,890 IN A TEXT CALLED THE NAVAGATIO. IT DETAILS HIS JOURNEY WITH 1536 00:48:49,892 --> 00:48:51,258 IT DETAILS HIS JOURNEY WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER MONKS 1537 00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:53,327 A NUMBER OF OTHER MONKS TO A LAND RICH IN FRUIT, FLORA, 1538 00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:55,262 TO A LAND RICH IN FRUIT, FLORA, AND FAUNA HE'D NEVER SEEN 1539 00:48:55,264 --> 00:48:56,764 AND FAUNA HE'D NEVER SEEN BEFORE. 1540 00:48:56,766 --> 00:48:58,198 BEFORE. ALONG THE WAY, HE HAD 1541 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,467 ALONG THE WAY, HE HAD MANY UNBELIEVABLE ADVENTURES 1542 00:49:00,469 --> 00:49:01,635 MANY UNBELIEVABLE ADVENTURES THAT MAKE SOME QUESTION 1543 00:49:01,637 --> 00:49:04,138 THAT MAKE SOME QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY OF HIS TALE. 1544 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:05,639 THE LEGITIMACY OF HIS TALE. >> BRENDAN AND HIS MONKS HAD 1545 00:49:05,641 --> 00:49:07,041 >> BRENDAN AND HIS MONKS HAD LANDED ON THE BACK OF A HUGE 1546 00:49:07,043 --> 00:49:08,876 LANDED ON THE BACK OF A HUGE FISH, POSSIBLY A WHALE, 1547 00:49:08,878 --> 00:49:10,377 FISH, POSSIBLY A WHALE, AND EVEN ATTEMPTED TO LIGHT 1548 00:49:10,379 --> 00:49:12,379 AND EVEN ATTEMPTED TO LIGHT A FIRE ON HIS BACK, WHICH OF 1549 00:49:12,381 --> 00:49:13,881 A FIRE ON HIS BACK, WHICH OF COURSE, WOKE THE ANIMAL UP, 1550 00:49:13,883 --> 00:49:16,216 COURSE, WOKE THE ANIMAL UP, IF HE WAS ASLEEP. 1551 00:49:16,218 --> 00:49:17,651 IF HE WAS ASLEEP. >> narrator: MOST MODERN 1552 00:49:17,653 --> 00:49:19,687 >> narrator: MOST MODERN SCHOLARS CONSIDER THE NAVAGATIO 1553 00:49:19,689 --> 00:49:21,488 SCHOLARS CONSIDER THE NAVAGATIO A LITERARY LEGEND ALONG 1554 00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:24,525 A LITERARY LEGEND ALONG THE LINES OF WELSH PRINCE MADOC. 1555 00:49:24,527 --> 00:49:25,993 THE LINES OF WELSH PRINCE MADOC. BUT THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THINGS 1556 00:49:25,995 --> 00:49:27,594 BUT THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THINGS LIKE SHEEP WHICH ARE FOUND ON 1557 00:49:27,596 --> 00:49:29,897 LIKE SHEEP WHICH ARE FOUND ON THE FAROE ISLANDS AND VOLCANOES 1558 00:49:29,899 --> 00:49:31,899 THE FAROE ISLANDS AND VOLCANOES WHICH ARE FOUND ON ICELAND 1559 00:49:31,901 --> 00:49:33,400 WHICH ARE FOUND ON ICELAND HAVE SOME HISTORIANS CONVINCED 1560 00:49:33,402 --> 00:49:35,235 HAVE SOME HISTORIANS CONVINCED HE MADE IT TO AMERICA 1561 00:49:35,237 --> 00:49:36,904 HE MADE IT TO AMERICA VIA A NORTHERN ATLANTIC ROUTE 1562 00:49:36,906 --> 00:49:39,206 VIA A NORTHERN ATLANTIC ROUTE THE NORSE WOULD LATER MIMIC. 1563 00:49:39,208 --> 00:49:41,375 THE NORSE WOULD LATER MIMIC. OVERLAID, THEIR VOYAGES APPEAR 1564 00:49:41,377 --> 00:49:44,244 OVERLAID, THEIR VOYAGES APPEAR QUITE SIMILAR. 1565 00:49:44,246 --> 00:49:46,613 QUITE SIMILAR. >> UNDER EXTREMELY FAVORABLE 1566 00:49:46,615 --> 00:49:48,916 >> UNDER EXTREMELY FAVORABLE OCEAN CURRENT CONDITIONS, 1567 00:49:48,918 --> 00:49:50,718 OCEAN CURRENT CONDITIONS, IT WOULD REQUIRE, AS A MINIMUM, 1568 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,922 IT WOULD REQUIRE, AS A MINIMUM, 180 DAYS BUT LIKELY MUCH LONGER. 1569 00:49:54,924 --> 00:49:57,024 180 DAYS BUT LIKELY MUCH LONGER. IT WOULD BE COMPLICATED. 1570 00:49:57,026 --> 00:49:58,892 IT WOULD BE COMPLICATED. IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF 1571 00:49:58,894 --> 00:50:01,095 IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF PADDLING OR A LOT OF SKILL 1572 00:50:01,097 --> 00:50:03,030 PADDLING OR A LOT OF SKILL WITH SAILING. 1573 00:50:03,032 --> 00:50:04,364 WITH SAILING. >> narrator: SAINT BRENDAN 1574 00:50:04,366 --> 00:50:05,399 >> narrator: SAINT BRENDAN IS SAID TO HAVE SAILED 1575 00:50:05,401 --> 00:50:07,501 IS SAID TO HAVE SAILED A SKIN BOAT CALLED A CURRAGH 1576 00:50:07,503 --> 00:50:09,136 A SKIN BOAT CALLED A CURRAGH MADE OF COWHIDES SOFTENED 1577 00:50:09,138 --> 00:50:11,705 MADE OF COWHIDES SOFTENED BY BUTTER AND SEWN TOGETHER. 1578 00:50:11,707 --> 00:50:13,440 BY BUTTER AND SEWN TOGETHER. >> THE IRISH WERE BUILDING 1579 00:50:13,442 --> 00:50:15,242 >> THE IRISH WERE BUILDING SKIN BOATS, SKIN BOATS CAPABLE 1580 00:50:15,244 --> 00:50:17,311 SKIN BOATS, SKIN BOATS CAPABLE OF TAKING EXTENDED VOYAGES. 1581 00:50:17,313 --> 00:50:18,579 OF TAKING EXTENDED VOYAGES. THEY HAVE A FRAMEWORK, 1582 00:50:18,581 --> 00:50:19,413 THEY HAVE A FRAMEWORK, A SKELETON. 1583 00:50:19,415 --> 00:50:20,948 A SKELETON. YOU BUILD A BASIC FRAME, 1584 00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:22,216 YOU BUILD A BASIC FRAME, AND THEN YOU STITCH AND SEW 1585 00:50:22,218 --> 00:50:23,684 AND THEN YOU STITCH AND SEW SKINS TOGETHER TO CREATE 1586 00:50:23,686 --> 00:50:25,853 SKINS TOGETHER TO CREATE A WATERTIGHT COVERING TO KEEP 1587 00:50:25,855 --> 00:50:27,621 A WATERTIGHT COVERING TO KEEP THE SEA OUT. 1588 00:50:27,623 --> 00:50:28,455 THE SEA OUT. >> narrator: WHETHER SAINT 1589 00:50:28,457 --> 00:50:30,691 >> narrator: WHETHER SAINT BRENDAN REACHED AMERICA OR NOT, 1590 00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:32,392 BRENDAN REACHED AMERICA OR NOT, CARTOGRAPHERS BEGAN INCLUDING 1591 00:50:32,394 --> 00:50:34,461 CARTOGRAPHERS BEGAN INCLUDING HIS ALLEGED PARADISE ON MAPS 1592 00:50:34,463 --> 00:50:36,263 HIS ALLEGED PARADISE ON MAPS IN THE 1200s. 1593 00:50:36,265 --> 00:50:37,698 IN THE 1200s. CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS HIMSELF 1594 00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:39,466 CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS HIMSELF WAS SUPPOSEDLY VERY INTERESTED 1595 00:50:39,468 --> 00:50:42,302 WAS SUPPOSEDLY VERY INTERESTED IN WHERE SAINT BRENDAN HAD BEEN. 1596 00:50:42,304 --> 00:50:43,203 IN WHERE SAINT BRENDAN HAD BEEN. HIS ALLEGED TRIP TO IRELAND 1597 00:50:43,205 --> 00:50:44,638 HIS ALLEGED TRIP TO IRELAND TO LEARN THE DETAILS OF 1598 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,440 TO LEARN THE DETAILS OF BRENDAN'S VOYAGE HAS BEEN PART 1599 00:50:46,442 --> 00:50:47,975 BRENDAN'S VOYAGE HAS BEEN PART OF THE COUNTRY'S ORAL HISTORY 1600 00:50:47,977 --> 00:50:49,443 OF THE COUNTRY'S ORAL HISTORY FOR CENTURIES. 1601 00:50:49,445 --> 00:50:51,478 FOR CENTURIES. >> COLUMBUS KNEW 1602 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,647 >> COLUMBUS KNEW OF THE STORY OF BRENDAN. 1603 00:50:53,649 --> 00:50:55,616 OF THE STORY OF BRENDAN. HE CAME TO GALWAY AND LEARNED 1604 00:50:55,618 --> 00:50:57,284 HE CAME TO GALWAY AND LEARNED WHAT HE COULD ABOUT BRENDAN. 1605 00:50:57,286 --> 00:50:58,986 WHAT HE COULD ABOUT BRENDAN. IT IS A RECORDED FACT THAT 1606 00:50:58,988 --> 00:51:01,421 IT IS A RECORDED FACT THAT THE NIGHT BEFORE COLUMBUS 1607 00:51:01,423 --> 00:51:03,457 THE NIGHT BEFORE COLUMBUS DEPARTED FOR THE NEW WORLD, 1608 00:51:03,459 --> 00:51:06,260 DEPARTED FOR THE NEW WORLD, HE SAID, "I GO TO FIND THE 1609 00:51:06,262 --> 00:51:09,463 HE SAID, "I GO TO FIND THE PROMISED LAND OF SAINT BRENDAN." 1610 00:51:09,465 --> 00:51:10,330 PROMISED LAND OF SAINT BRENDAN." >> narrator: WHILE 1611 00:51:10,332 --> 00:51:11,498 >> narrator: WHILE A 19TH-CENTURY FRENCH WRITER 1612 00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:12,666 A 19TH-CENTURY FRENCH WRITER AND HISTORIAN NAMED 1613 00:51:12,668 --> 00:51:14,301 AND HISTORIAN NAMED FERDINAND DENIS DID INCLUDE 1614 00:51:14,303 --> 00:51:15,569 FERDINAND DENIS DID INCLUDE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT 1615 00:51:15,571 --> 00:51:16,570 SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN A BOOK ABOUT WONDERS 1616 00:51:16,572 --> 00:51:18,138 IN A BOOK ABOUT WONDERS OF THE WORLD, HIS ORIGINAL 1617 00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:19,473 OF THE WORLD, HIS ORIGINAL SOURCE FOR THE INFORMATION 1618 00:51:19,475 --> 00:51:21,341 SOURCE FOR THE INFORMATION IS IN QUESTION. 1619 00:51:21,343 --> 00:51:22,843 IS IN QUESTION. WHAT ISN'T IN QUESTION 1620 00:51:22,845 --> 00:51:24,011 WHAT ISN'T IN QUESTION IS THE FACT THAT COLUMBUS DID 1621 00:51:24,013 --> 00:51:26,413 IS THE FACT THAT COLUMBUS DID FIND LAND IN 1492, 1622 00:51:26,415 --> 00:51:28,315 FIND LAND IN 1492, AND IT WAS THE BAHAMAS. 1623 00:51:28,317 --> 00:51:29,816 AND IT WAS THE BAHAMAS. BUT WHAT BRENDAN FOUND ALMOST 1624 00:51:29,818 --> 00:51:32,286 BUT WHAT BRENDAN FOUND ALMOST 1,000 YEARS EARLIER MAY HAVE 1625 00:51:32,288 --> 00:51:37,024 1,000 YEARS EARLIER MAY HAVE BEEN MODERN-DAY CONNECTICUT. 1626 00:51:37,026 --> 00:51:42,296 >> THIS SITE HERE AT THE GUNGYWAMP HAS ALL OF THE KINDS 1627 00:51:42,298 --> 00:51:43,764 GUNGYWAMP HAS ALL OF THE KINDS OF EVIDENCE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT 1628 00:51:43,766 --> 00:51:45,365 OF EVIDENCE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN AN IRISH 1629 00:51:45,367 --> 00:51:47,034 TO SEE IN AN IRISH EARLY CHRISTIAN SITE 1630 00:51:47,036 --> 00:51:48,201 EARLY CHRISTIAN SITE OF BRENDAN'S TIME. 1631 00:51:48,203 --> 00:51:49,236 OF BRENDAN'S TIME. >> narrator: SPREADING OUT 1632 00:51:49,238 --> 00:51:51,939 >> narrator: SPREADING OUT OVER 100 ACRES, THE GUNGYWAMP 1633 00:51:51,941 --> 00:51:53,707 OVER 100 ACRES, THE GUNGYWAMP ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE IN GROTON, 1634 00:51:53,709 --> 00:51:55,042 ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE IN GROTON, CONNECTICUT, IS HOME TO 1635 00:51:55,044 --> 00:51:57,044 CONNECTICUT, IS HOME TO STONE CHAMBERS, DWELLINGS, 1636 00:51:57,046 --> 00:51:58,679 STONE CHAMBERS, DWELLINGS, AND ROCK CARVINGS SOME 1637 00:51:58,681 --> 00:52:01,281 AND ROCK CARVINGS SOME ASSOCIATE WITH SAINT BRENDAN. 1638 00:52:01,283 --> 00:52:02,215 ASSOCIATE WITH SAINT BRENDAN. THEY WERE HERE EVEN BEFORE 1639 00:52:02,217 --> 00:52:03,584 THEY WERE HERE EVEN BEFORE ENGLISH COLONISTS SETTLED 1640 00:52:03,586 --> 00:52:06,553 ENGLISH COLONISTS SETTLED THE AREA IN THE 1600s. 1641 00:52:06,555 --> 00:52:07,821 THE AREA IN THE 1600s. THE STONE CHAMBERS AT THE SITE 1642 00:52:07,823 --> 00:52:08,889 THE STONE CHAMBERS AT THE SITE DON'T LOOK SOPHISTICATED 1643 00:52:08,891 --> 00:52:10,958 DON'T LOOK SOPHISTICATED AT FIRST GLANCE, BUT THEY HAVE 1644 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,326 AT FIRST GLANCE, BUT THEY HAVE UNDENIABLE FEATURES THAT 1645 00:52:12,328 --> 00:52:13,460 UNDENIABLE FEATURES THAT SUGGEST THEY SERVED 1646 00:52:13,462 --> 00:52:15,162 SUGGEST THEY SERVED A RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. 1647 00:52:15,164 --> 00:52:17,064 A RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. ON THE VERNAL AND AUTUMNAL 1648 00:52:17,066 --> 00:52:18,832 ON THE VERNAL AND AUTUMNAL EQUINOXES, SUNLIGHT SHINES 1649 00:52:18,834 --> 00:52:20,334 EQUINOXES, SUNLIGHT SHINES THROUGH THIS WINDOW, 1650 00:52:20,336 --> 00:52:22,936 THROUGH THIS WINDOW, ILLUMINATING THE CHAMBER. 1651 00:52:22,938 --> 00:52:24,071 ILLUMINATING THE CHAMBER. >> THE DATES THAT THE SUN SHINES 1652 00:52:24,073 --> 00:52:25,739 >> THE DATES THAT THE SUN SHINES INTO THIS CHAMBER ARE OF 1653 00:52:25,741 --> 00:52:27,641 INTO THIS CHAMBER ARE OF SIGNIFICANCE TO THE IRISH 1654 00:52:27,643 --> 00:52:28,842 SIGNIFICANCE TO THE IRISH EARLY CHRISTIAN 1655 00:52:28,844 --> 00:52:30,844 EARLY CHRISTIAN LITURGICAL CYCLE. 1656 00:52:30,846 --> 00:52:32,479 LITURGICAL CYCLE. IT'S THE OCCURRENCE OF THE SUN'S 1657 00:52:32,481 --> 00:52:34,181 IT'S THE OCCURRENCE OF THE SUN'S POSITION ON THE VERNAL EQUINOX 1658 00:52:34,183 --> 00:52:35,882 POSITION ON THE VERNAL EQUINOX WHICH HERALDS THE APPROACHING 1659 00:52:35,884 --> 00:52:37,551 WHICH HERALDS THE APPROACHING DATE FOR EASTER. 1660 00:52:37,553 --> 00:52:38,485 DATE FOR EASTER. >> narrator: BETWEEN 1661 00:52:38,487 --> 00:52:40,087 >> narrator: BETWEEN THE SIXTH AND TENTH CENTURIES, 1662 00:52:40,089 --> 00:52:41,955 THE SIXTH AND TENTH CENTURIES, SOLAR ALIGNMENTS LIKE THE ONES 1663 00:52:41,957 --> 00:52:43,824 SOLAR ALIGNMENTS LIKE THE ONES FOUND AT THE GUNGYWAMP SITE 1664 00:52:43,826 --> 00:52:45,192 FOUND AT THE GUNGYWAMP SITE WERE A COMPONENT OF SMALL 1665 00:52:45,194 --> 00:52:47,828 WERE A COMPONENT OF SMALL IRISH CHURCHES, LIKE THE 1666 00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:48,862 IRISH CHURCHES, LIKE THE GALLARUS ORATORY ON THE 1667 00:52:48,864 --> 00:52:51,665 GALLARUS ORATORY ON THE DINGLE PENINSULA. 1668 00:52:51,667 --> 00:52:53,000 DINGLE PENINSULA. >> IT HAS AN EAST-WEST 1669 00:52:53,002 --> 00:52:54,868 >> IT HAS AN EAST-WEST ALIGNMENT, THE EAST WINDOW 1670 00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:57,304 ALIGNMENT, THE EAST WINDOW AND THE WEST DOORWAY OVER HERE, 1671 00:52:57,306 --> 00:52:59,106 AND THE WEST DOORWAY OVER HERE, AND THE STONES HAVE BEEN VERY 1672 00:52:59,108 --> 00:53:02,309 AND THE STONES HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFULLY SELECTED TO BUILD 1673 00:53:02,311 --> 00:53:05,178 CAREFULLY SELECTED TO BUILD SUCH A PERFECT BUILDING. 1674 00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:06,313 SUCH A PERFECT BUILDING. >> narrator: SOLAR ALIGNMENTS 1675 00:53:06,315 --> 00:53:07,848 >> narrator: SOLAR ALIGNMENTS AND STONE MASONRY ALONE 1676 00:53:07,850 --> 00:53:09,416 AND STONE MASONRY ALONE CAN'T PROVE THE IRISH MADE IT 1677 00:53:09,418 --> 00:53:10,450 CAN'T PROVE THE IRISH MADE IT TO WHAT WOULD BECOME 1678 00:53:10,452 --> 00:53:12,486 TO WHAT WOULD BECOME THE UNITED STATES, 1679 00:53:12,488 --> 00:53:14,454 THE UNITED STATES, BUT THESE COULD BE ANOTHER 1680 00:53:14,456 --> 00:53:16,857 BUT THESE COULD BE ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE. 1681 00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:19,126 PIECE OF EVIDENCE. THEY'RE SYMBOLS CALLED CHI-RHOS. 1682 00:53:19,128 --> 00:53:20,627 THEY'RE SYMBOLS CALLED CHI-RHOS. OUTLINING THEM IN CHALK 1683 00:53:20,629 --> 00:53:23,130 OUTLINING THEM IN CHALK MAKES THEM EASIER TO SEE. 1684 00:53:23,132 --> 00:53:24,231 MAKES THEM EASIER TO SEE. >> THEY ARE FULLY CONSISTENT 1685 00:53:24,233 --> 00:53:26,233 >> THEY ARE FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE IRISH EARLY CHRISTIAN 1686 00:53:26,235 --> 00:53:27,901 WITH THE IRISH EARLY CHRISTIAN TRADITION, THAT IS TO SAY, 1687 00:53:27,903 --> 00:53:30,637 TRADITION, THAT IS TO SAY, ROUGHLY 500 TO, LET'S SAY, 1688 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,839 ROUGHLY 500 TO, LET'S SAY, 900 A.D. 1689 00:53:32,841 --> 00:53:33,840 900 A.D. >> narrator: A CHI-RHO IS 1690 00:53:33,842 --> 00:53:35,642 >> narrator: A CHI-RHO IS AN ANCIENT RELIGIOUS SYMBOL. 1691 00:53:35,644 --> 00:53:37,010 AN ANCIENT RELIGIOUS SYMBOL. IT'S MADE BY SUPERIMPOSING 1692 00:53:37,012 --> 00:53:38,745 IT'S MADE BY SUPERIMPOSING THE FIRST TWO GREEK LETTERS, 1693 00:53:38,747 --> 00:53:40,013 THE FIRST TWO GREEK LETTERS, CHI AND RHO, 1694 00:53:40,015 --> 00:53:42,149 CHI AND RHO, USED TO SPELL CHRIST. 1695 00:53:42,151 --> 00:53:44,151 USED TO SPELL CHRIST. BELIEVERS THINK THE IRISH LEFT 1696 00:53:44,153 --> 00:53:45,218 BELIEVERS THINK THE IRISH LEFT THESE HERE AT THE TIME OF 1697 00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:47,020 THESE HERE AT THE TIME OF SAINT BRENDAN, BUT THEY CAN'T 1698 00:53:47,022 --> 00:53:48,321 SAINT BRENDAN, BUT THEY CAN'T PROVE IT BECAUSE THE ETCHING 1699 00:53:48,323 --> 00:53:49,956 PROVE IT BECAUSE THE ETCHING ON THIS TYPE OF STONE CAN'T BE 1700 00:53:49,958 --> 00:53:52,926 ON THIS TYPE OF STONE CAN'T BE ACCURATELY DATED. 1701 00:53:52,928 --> 00:53:53,927 ACCURATELY DATED. THERE ARE CHARCOAL REMNANTS 1702 00:53:53,929 --> 00:53:56,763 THERE ARE CHARCOAL REMNANTS HERE THAT DATE TO 556 A.D., 1703 00:53:56,765 --> 00:53:58,331 HERE THAT DATE TO 556 A.D., SO SOMEONE MADE FIRES THAT FAR 1704 00:53:58,333 --> 00:54:00,333 SO SOMEONE MADE FIRES THAT FAR BACK, BUT THERE'S NO PROOF 1705 00:54:00,335 --> 00:54:02,169 BACK, BUT THERE'S NO PROOF IT WAS THE IRISH. 1706 00:54:02,171 --> 00:54:04,204 IT WAS THE IRISH. IF THEY WERE HERE, THEY DIDN'T 1707 00:54:04,206 --> 00:54:06,072 IF THEY WERE HERE, THEY DIDN'T LEAVE BEHIND ANY OF THEIR 1708 00:54:06,074 --> 00:54:08,208 LEAVE BEHIND ANY OF THEIR WRITTEN LANGUAGE, CALLED OGHAM, 1709 00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:09,509 WRITTEN LANGUAGE, CALLED OGHAM, BUT THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE OF 1710 00:54:09,511 --> 00:54:13,079 BUT THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE OF OGHAM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN AMERICA. 1711 00:54:13,081 --> 00:54:14,214 OGHAM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN AMERICA. >> OGHAMS WERE USED EITHER 1712 00:54:14,216 --> 00:54:17,083 >> OGHAMS WERE USED EITHER AS A MEMORIAL OR A LAND CLAIM, 1713 00:54:17,085 --> 00:54:18,952 AS A MEMORIAL OR A LAND CLAIM, LAND MARKER. 1714 00:54:18,954 --> 00:54:19,953 LAND MARKER. >> narrator: OGHAM LOOKS 1715 00:54:19,955 --> 00:54:20,821 >> narrator: OGHAM LOOKS TO MOST PEOPLE LIKE 1716 00:54:20,823 --> 00:54:22,189 TO MOST PEOPLE LIKE A SERIES OF NONSENSICAL 1717 00:54:22,191 --> 00:54:24,291 A SERIES OF NONSENSICAL HASH MARKS, BUT THE LINES 1718 00:54:24,293 --> 00:54:25,692 HASH MARKS, BUT THE LINES TRANSLATE INTO LETTERS 1719 00:54:25,694 --> 00:54:27,327 TRANSLATE INTO LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET. 1720 00:54:27,329 --> 00:54:28,962 OF THE ALPHABET. >> THESE MARKS ARE FOUND ALL 1721 00:54:28,964 --> 00:54:30,831 >> THESE MARKS ARE FOUND ALL OVER NORTH AMERICA, THE UNITED 1722 00:54:30,833 --> 00:54:31,998 OVER NORTH AMERICA, THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA. 1723 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,100 STATES AND CANADA. >> narrator: THESE WERE FOUND 1724 00:54:34,102 --> 00:54:35,202 >> narrator: THESE WERE FOUND AT BUCKHORN STATE PARK 1725 00:54:35,204 --> 00:54:36,670 AT BUCKHORN STATE PARK IN KENTUCKY. 1726 00:54:36,672 --> 00:54:38,205 IN KENTUCKY. >> IN THE MIDDLE PANEL, THERE 1727 00:54:38,207 --> 00:54:39,639 >> IN THE MIDDLE PANEL, THERE WERE THINGS THAT I COULD GRASP 1728 00:54:39,641 --> 00:54:42,209 WERE THINGS THAT I COULD GRASP IN OLD CELTIC, AND IT WAS SAYING 1729 00:54:42,211 --> 00:54:44,845 IN OLD CELTIC, AND IT WAS SAYING THINGS LIKE, "WE ARE A BAND OF 1730 00:54:44,847 --> 00:54:47,447 THINGS LIKE, "WE ARE A BAND OF PEOPLE TRAVELING FROM ACROSS..." 1731 00:54:47,449 --> 00:54:48,615 PEOPLE TRAVELING FROM ACROSS..." IT COULD BE FROM ACROSS THE 1732 00:54:48,617 --> 00:54:51,918 IT COULD BE FROM ACROSS THE APPALACHIANS OR ACROSS THE SEA. 1733 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,855 APPALACHIANS OR ACROSS THE SEA. THE DEBATE IS, ARE THESE TRULY 1734 00:54:54,857 --> 00:54:56,890 THE DEBATE IS, ARE THESE TRULY OGHAMS OR ARE THEY SOMETHING 1735 00:54:56,892 --> 00:54:57,724 OGHAMS OR ARE THEY SOMETHING ELSE? 1736 00:54:57,726 --> 00:54:58,658 ELSE? SOME OF IT CAN READ 1737 00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:00,293 SOME OF IT CAN READ AS OLD CELTIC, AND SOME OF IT 1738 00:55:00,295 --> 00:55:01,728 AS OLD CELTIC, AND SOME OF IT CAN READ AS ALGONQUIN. 1739 00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:03,630 CAN READ AS ALGONQUIN. THEY LOOK VERY, VERY, VERY 1740 00:55:03,632 --> 00:55:05,065 THEY LOOK VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH ALIKE. 1741 00:55:05,067 --> 00:55:07,267 MUCH ALIKE. MOST AMERICAN SCHOLARS 1742 00:55:07,269 --> 00:55:08,635 MOST AMERICAN SCHOLARS DO NOT REGARD OGHAM 1743 00:55:08,637 --> 00:55:09,803 DO NOT REGARD OGHAM AS AUTHENTIC. 1744 00:55:09,805 --> 00:55:10,670 AS AUTHENTIC. >> YOU WOULD NEED AN IRISH 1745 00:55:10,672 --> 00:55:12,339 >> YOU WOULD NEED AN IRISH EXPERT, PERHAPS, TO GO OUT, 1746 00:55:12,341 --> 00:55:14,474 EXPERT, PERHAPS, TO GO OUT, LOOK AT YOUR INSCRIPTIONS, 1747 00:55:14,476 --> 00:55:15,909 LOOK AT YOUR INSCRIPTIONS, AND SEE IF THEY COULD READ THEM, 1748 00:55:15,911 --> 00:55:16,977 AND SEE IF THEY COULD READ THEM, SEE IF THEY COULD MAKE ANY SENSE 1749 00:55:16,979 --> 00:55:18,345 SEE IF THEY COULD MAKE ANY SENSE OF THEM. 1750 00:55:18,347 --> 00:55:19,412 OF THEM. >> narrator: WITH NO HARD 1751 00:55:19,414 --> 00:55:22,015 >> narrator: WITH NO HARD EVIDENCE, NO UNDENIABLE REMNANTS 1752 00:55:22,017 --> 00:55:24,017 EVIDENCE, NO UNDENIABLE REMNANTS OF SIXTH-CENTURY IRISH 1753 00:55:24,019 --> 00:55:25,352 OF SIXTH-CENTURY IRISH FOUND IN AMERICA, 1754 00:55:25,354 --> 00:55:26,820 FOUND IN AMERICA, SAINT BRENDAN'S LEGEND OF 1755 00:55:26,822 --> 00:55:28,855 SAINT BRENDAN'S LEGEND OF AN AMERICAN LANDFALL MAY BE 1756 00:55:28,857 --> 00:55:33,727 AN AMERICAN LANDFALL MAY BE JUST THAT, A LEGEND. 1757 00:55:33,729 --> 00:55:35,262 JUST THAT, A LEGEND. >> ARCHAEOLOGISTS LOOK AT 1758 00:55:35,264 --> 00:55:36,696 >> ARCHAEOLOGISTS LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT. 1759 00:55:36,698 --> 00:55:37,731 WHAT'S LEFT. WE TRY TO FIND EVIDENCE TO 1760 00:55:37,733 --> 00:55:39,866 WE TRY TO FIND EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST WHETHER A MYTH IS JUST 1761 00:55:39,868 --> 00:55:41,434 SUGGEST WHETHER A MYTH IS JUST THAT OR IF IT TELLS 1762 00:55:41,436 --> 00:55:42,602 THAT OR IF IT TELLS A FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH THAT'S BEEN 1763 00:55:42,604 --> 00:55:44,271 A FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH THAT'S BEEN FORGOTTEN. 1764 00:55:44,273 --> 00:55:45,338 FORGOTTEN. WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT EVIDENCE 1765 00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:48,341 WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT EVIDENCE FOR THE BRENDAN VOYAGE. 1766 00:55:48,343 --> 00:55:49,275 FOR THE BRENDAN VOYAGE. >> narrator: SAINT BRENDAN 1767 00:55:49,277 --> 00:55:53,647 >> narrator: SAINT BRENDAN DIED IN 577 A.D., LEAVING BEHIND 1768 00:55:53,649 --> 00:55:57,017 DIED IN 577 A.D., LEAVING BEHIND THE MYSTERY OF HIS PARADISE. 1769 00:55:57,019 --> 00:55:58,818 THE MYSTERY OF HIS PARADISE. AT THE ROOT OF HIS JOURNEY WAS 1770 00:55:58,820 --> 00:56:00,887 AT THE ROOT OF HIS JOURNEY WAS RELIGION AND A DESIRE TO SPREAD 1771 00:56:00,889 --> 00:56:02,722 RELIGION AND A DESIRE TO SPREAD HIS BELIEFS. 1772 00:56:02,724 --> 00:56:05,125 HIS BELIEFS. IN THAT WAY, HE WAS LIKE OTHERS 1773 00:56:05,127 --> 00:56:06,626 IN THAT WAY, HE WAS LIKE OTHERS WHO MAY HAVE COME TO AMERICA 1774 00:56:06,628 --> 00:56:09,696 WHO MAY HAVE COME TO AMERICA EVEN BEFORE HIM. 1775 00:56:09,698 --> 00:56:11,698 EVEN BEFORE HIM. A VOYAGE BY ANCIENT HEBREWS 1776 00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:13,299 A VOYAGE BY ANCIENT HEBREWS TO AMERICA BEFORE THE TIME 1777 00:56:13,301 --> 00:56:15,135 TO AMERICA BEFORE THE TIME OF CHRIST IS THE FOUNDATION 1778 00:56:15,137 --> 00:56:17,303 OF CHRIST IS THE FOUNDATION FOR AN ENTIRE RELIGION. 1779 00:56:17,305 --> 00:56:20,306 FOR AN ENTIRE RELIGION. NOW COULD BLOOD EVIDENCE PROVE 1780 00:56:20,308 --> 00:56:22,308 NOW COULD BLOOD EVIDENCE PROVE NOT ONLY THAT THEY WERE HERE 1781 00:56:22,310 --> 00:56:23,910 NOT ONLY THAT THEY WERE HERE BUT THAT THEY'RE THE ANCESTORS 1782 00:56:23,912 --> 00:56:26,980 BUT THAT THEY'RE THE ANCESTORS OF MODERN-DAY CHEROKEE? 1783 00:56:26,982 --> 00:56:36,289 >> narrator: ISRAEL, 600 B.C., 2,092 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 1784 00:56:36,291 --> 00:56:37,991 2,092 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 1785 00:56:37,993 --> 00:56:39,993 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, POMPEII IS FOUNDED IN ITALY, 1786 00:56:39,995 --> 00:56:41,461 POMPEII IS FOUNDED IN ITALY, LATER TO BE DESTROYED BY 1787 00:56:41,463 --> 00:56:43,496 LATER TO BE DESTROYED BY THE ERUPTION OF MOUNT VESUVIUS, 1788 00:56:43,498 --> 00:56:44,831 THE ERUPTION OF MOUNT VESUVIUS, AND THE MAYAN CULTURE 1789 00:56:44,833 --> 00:56:47,233 AND THE MAYAN CULTURE IS FLOURISHING IN MESOAMERICA. 1790 00:56:47,235 --> 00:56:49,502 IS FLOURISHING IN MESOAMERICA. IN ISRAEL, JERUSALEM WILL SOON 1791 00:56:49,504 --> 00:56:51,738 IN ISRAEL, JERUSALEM WILL SOON BE TAKEN OVER BY THE BABYLONIANS 1792 00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:52,739 BE TAKEN OVER BY THE BABYLONIANS AND THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON 1793 00:56:52,741 --> 00:56:54,274 AND THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON DESTROYED. 1794 00:56:54,276 --> 00:56:56,342 DESTROYED. ANCIENT HEBREWS ARE FLEEING 1795 00:56:56,344 --> 00:57:00,680 ANCIENT HEBREWS ARE FLEEING BUT WHERE TO? 1796 00:57:00,682 --> 00:57:03,349 BUT WHERE TO? >> THE THOUGHT OF EARLY HEBREWS 1797 00:57:03,351 --> 00:57:04,250 >> THE THOUGHT OF EARLY HEBREWS COMING TO THE NEW WORLD 1798 00:57:04,252 --> 00:57:05,685 COMING TO THE NEW WORLD HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF A GREAT DEAL 1799 00:57:05,687 --> 00:57:07,387 HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION GOING ALL THE WAY 1800 00:57:07,389 --> 00:57:09,856 OF DISCUSSION GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 19TH CENTURY. 1801 00:57:09,858 --> 00:57:10,990 BACK TO THE 19TH CENTURY. >> narrator: THE CHURCH OF 1802 00:57:10,992 --> 00:57:12,559 >> narrator: THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY 1803 00:57:12,561 --> 00:57:14,160 JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS IS BASED IN PART 1804 00:57:14,162 --> 00:57:15,528 SAINTS IS BASED IN PART ON THE BOOK OF MORMON 1805 00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:17,263 ON THE BOOK OF MORMON WHICH TELLS HOW A PROPHET 1806 00:57:17,265 --> 00:57:19,399 WHICH TELLS HOW A PROPHET NAMED LEHI AND HIS SONS 1807 00:57:19,401 --> 00:57:21,034 NAMED LEHI AND HIS SONS BUILT A BOAT AND SAILED IT 1808 00:57:21,036 --> 00:57:24,170 BUILT A BOAT AND SAILED IT TO AMERICA AROUND 600 B.C. 1809 00:57:24,172 --> 00:57:25,939 TO AMERICA AROUND 600 B.C. ARTISTIC RENDERINGS OFTEN 1810 00:57:25,941 --> 00:57:27,407 ARTISTIC RENDERINGS OFTEN DEPICT IT AS A TYPE OF ARK 1811 00:57:27,409 --> 00:57:29,275 DEPICT IT AS A TYPE OF ARK WITH SAILS, BUT THERE WAS 1812 00:57:29,277 --> 00:57:30,910 WITH SAILS, BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER TYPE OF SHIP ISRAELITES 1813 00:57:30,912 --> 00:57:33,646 ANOTHER TYPE OF SHIP ISRAELITES WERE USING AT THAT TIME. 1814 00:57:33,648 --> 00:57:34,614 WERE USING AT THAT TIME. >> THE ROMAN SHIPS THAT THE 1815 00:57:34,616 --> 00:57:36,349 >> THE ROMAN SHIPS THAT THE HEBREWS WOULD HAVE USED HAD THEY 1816 00:57:36,351 --> 00:57:37,917 HEBREWS WOULD HAVE USED HAD THEY MADE SUCH A VOYAGE WOULD BE 1817 00:57:37,919 --> 00:57:40,820 MADE SUCH A VOYAGE WOULD BE SOLID BUILT, ROUND-FORMED HULLS, 1818 00:57:40,822 --> 00:57:41,788 SOLID BUILT, ROUND-FORMED HULLS, HEAVILY FRAMED, 1819 00:57:41,790 --> 00:57:43,022 HEAVILY FRAMED, THAT IS, THICK RIBBED, 1820 00:57:43,024 --> 00:57:44,290 THAT IS, THICK RIBBED, CARRYING A SQUARE SAIL 1821 00:57:44,292 --> 00:57:45,558 CARRYING A SQUARE SAIL WITH A HIGH-ELEVATED 1822 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,826 WITH A HIGH-ELEVATED BOW AND STERN, 1823 00:57:46,828 --> 00:57:47,894 BOW AND STERN, CAPABLE OF CARRYING ALL SORTS 1824 00:57:47,896 --> 00:57:50,363 CAPABLE OF CARRYING ALL SORTS OF CARGO AND PEOPLE. 1825 00:57:50,365 --> 00:57:51,798 OF CARGO AND PEOPLE. >> narrator: LEHI'S ALLEGED 1826 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,966 >> narrator: LEHI'S ALLEGED ROUTE WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM 1827 00:57:52,968 --> 00:57:54,634 ROUTE WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM FROM OMAN THROUGH THE INDIAN 1828 00:57:54,636 --> 00:57:56,302 FROM OMAN THROUGH THE INDIAN AND PACIFIC OCEANS TO THE 1829 00:57:56,304 --> 00:57:58,171 AND PACIFIC OCEANS TO THE CENTRAL AMERICAN COAST. 1830 00:57:58,173 --> 00:58:00,540 CENTRAL AMERICAN COAST. EVEN USING OCEAN CURRENTS, 1831 00:58:00,542 --> 00:58:01,808 EVEN USING OCEAN CURRENTS, THE DRIFTERS SUGGEST 1832 00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:04,544 THE DRIFTERS SUGGEST IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN 580 DAYS. 1833 00:58:04,546 --> 00:58:05,478 IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN 580 DAYS. THAT'S MORE THAN 1834 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,481 THAT'S MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF. 1835 00:58:08,483 --> 00:58:09,482 A YEAR AND A HALF. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S 1836 00:58:09,484 --> 00:58:10,717 >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A QUESTION OF SHIPS MAKING IT. 1837 00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:11,651 A QUESTION OF SHIPS MAKING IT. A VESSEL CAN MAKE IT WITH 1838 00:58:11,653 --> 00:58:12,752 A VESSEL CAN MAKE IT WITH DEAD PEOPLE. 1839 00:58:12,754 --> 00:58:13,887 DEAD PEOPLE. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER PEOPLE 1840 00:58:13,889 --> 00:58:15,355 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD MAKE IT IN THAT VOYAGE 1841 00:58:15,357 --> 00:58:17,090 WOULD MAKE IT IN THAT VOYAGE IF IT TOOK A GREAT DEAL OF TIME 1842 00:58:17,092 --> 00:58:18,625 IF IT TOOK A GREAT DEAL OF TIME OR THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING 1843 00:58:18,627 --> 00:58:20,059 OR THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING WHERE THEY WERE GOING. 1844 00:58:20,061 --> 00:58:21,527 WHERE THEY WERE GOING. >> narrator: LEHI ISN'T 1845 00:58:21,529 --> 00:58:23,329 >> narrator: LEHI ISN'T THE ONLY ANCIENT ISRAELITE 1846 00:58:23,331 --> 00:58:24,497 THE ONLY ANCIENT ISRAELITE THOUGHT BY SOME TO HAVE MADE IT 1847 00:58:24,499 --> 00:58:25,965 THOUGHT BY SOME TO HAVE MADE IT TO AMERICA. 1848 00:58:25,967 --> 00:58:26,966 TO AMERICA. THERE IS OTHER LORE THAT 1849 00:58:26,968 --> 00:58:28,534 THERE IS OTHER LORE THAT ONE OF THE TEN LOST TRIBES 1850 00:58:28,536 --> 00:58:29,802 ONE OF THE TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL EXILED BY 1851 00:58:29,804 --> 00:58:32,238 OF ISRAEL EXILED BY THE ASSYRIANS IN 700 B.C. 1852 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,908 THE ASSYRIANS IN 700 B.C. ALSO ENDED UP IN THE NEW WORLD. 1853 00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:36,342 ALSO ENDED UP IN THE NEW WORLD. EITHER SCENARIO ENDS WITH 1854 00:58:36,344 --> 00:58:37,911 EITHER SCENARIO ENDS WITH THE SAME ASSUMPTION, 1855 00:58:37,913 --> 00:58:39,345 THE SAME ASSUMPTION, THAT ANCIENT JEWISH PEOPLE 1856 00:58:39,347 --> 00:58:40,780 THAT ANCIENT JEWISH PEOPLE ARE THE ANCESTORS 1857 00:58:40,782 --> 00:58:43,983 ARE THE ANCESTORS OF SOME NATIVE AMERICANS. 1858 00:58:43,985 --> 00:58:46,953 OF SOME NATIVE AMERICANS. >> WE ARE A JEWISH PEOPLE 1859 00:58:46,955 --> 00:58:51,057 >> WE ARE A JEWISH PEOPLE BY RACE AND BY CULTURE. 1860 00:58:51,059 --> 00:58:52,458 BY RACE AND BY CULTURE. ALL OF OUR CEREMONIAL DAYS 1861 00:58:52,460 --> 00:58:54,260 ALL OF OUR CEREMONIAL DAYS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME TIME 1862 00:58:54,262 --> 00:58:55,862 ARE EXACTLY THE SAME TIME AS THE JEWISH PEOPLE, AND THAT 1863 00:58:55,864 --> 00:58:57,363 AS THE JEWISH PEOPLE, AND THAT CANNOT BE OF ANY ACCIDENT 1864 00:58:57,365 --> 00:59:00,533 CANNOT BE OF ANY ACCIDENT OR ANY COINCIDENCE AT ALL. 1865 00:59:00,535 --> 00:59:01,634 OR ANY COINCIDENCE AT ALL. >> narrator: LIGHT-SKINNED 1866 00:59:01,636 --> 00:59:03,369 >> narrator: LIGHT-SKINNED MEMBERS OF THE CENTRAL BAND 1867 00:59:03,371 --> 00:59:04,470 MEMBERS OF THE CENTRAL BAND OF CHEROKEE DON'T LOOK LIKE 1868 00:59:04,472 --> 00:59:07,240 OF CHEROKEE DON'T LOOK LIKE MANY NATIVE AMERICANS. 1869 00:59:07,242 --> 00:59:08,374 MANY NATIVE AMERICANS. CHEROKEE STARTED MINGLING WITH 1870 00:59:08,376 --> 00:59:10,209 CHEROKEE STARTED MINGLING WITH WHITE SETTLERS MUCH EARLIER THAN 1871 00:59:10,211 --> 00:59:12,178 WHITE SETTLERS MUCH EARLIER THAN OTHER NORTH AMERICAN TRIBES, 1872 00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:14,380 OTHER NORTH AMERICAN TRIBES, AS EARLY AS THE 1600s. 1873 00:59:14,382 --> 00:59:16,182 AS EARLY AS THE 1600s. THAT'S ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION 1874 00:59:16,184 --> 00:59:18,251 THAT'S ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR THEIR SKIN COLOR. 1875 00:59:18,253 --> 00:59:19,652 FOR THEIR SKIN COLOR. BUT COULD ANOTHER BE THAT 1876 00:59:19,654 --> 00:59:21,421 BUT COULD ANOTHER BE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ORIGINS IN ASIA 1877 00:59:21,423 --> 00:59:23,956 THEY DON'T HAVE ORIGINS IN ASIA LIKE MOST NATIVE AMERICANS DO? 1878 00:59:23,958 --> 00:59:25,625 LIKE MOST NATIVE AMERICANS DO? SO STRONG IS THE CENTRAL BAND'S 1879 00:59:25,627 --> 00:59:26,993 SO STRONG IS THE CENTRAL BAND'S BELIEF THAT THEY HAVE JEWISH 1880 00:59:26,995 --> 00:59:28,895 BELIEF THAT THEY HAVE JEWISH ANCESTRY AND ORIGINS IN ANCIENT 1881 00:59:28,897 --> 00:59:31,064 ANCESTRY AND ORIGINS IN ANCIENT ISRAEL, THEY SET OUT TO PROVE 1882 00:59:31,066 --> 00:59:33,399 ISRAEL, THEY SET OUT TO PROVE IT BY BLOOD. 1883 00:59:33,401 --> 00:59:35,601 IT BY BLOOD. >> WELL, WE KNEW THAT DNA 1884 00:59:35,603 --> 00:59:38,404 >> WELL, WE KNEW THAT DNA WOULD PLAY A MAJOR ROLE 1885 00:59:38,406 --> 00:59:41,407 WOULD PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN THIS PROOF OR DISPROOF. 1886 00:59:41,409 --> 00:59:43,142 IN THIS PROOF OR DISPROOF. SO WE'VE DONE A CONSIDERABLE 1887 00:59:43,144 --> 00:59:45,311 SO WE'VE DONE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DNA TESTING WITH 1888 00:59:45,313 --> 00:59:48,014 AMOUNT OF DNA TESTING WITH FAMILY TREE DNA. 1889 00:59:48,016 --> 00:59:49,515 FAMILY TREE DNA. >> WE DO A MULTITUDE OF THINGS. 1890 00:59:49,517 --> 00:59:51,484 >> WE DO A MULTITUDE OF THINGS. WE CONNECT PEOPLE 1891 00:59:51,486 --> 00:59:53,720 WE CONNECT PEOPLE BOTH GENEALOGICALLY AND 1892 00:59:53,722 --> 00:59:55,021 BOTH GENEALOGICALLY AND ANTHROPOLOGICALLY TO THEIR 1893 00:59:55,023 --> 00:59:57,190 ANTHROPOLOGICALLY TO THEIR ANCESTORS. 1894 00:59:57,192 --> 00:59:59,192 ANCESTORS. WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO DETERMINE 1895 00:59:59,194 --> 01:00:02,228 WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO DETERMINE SOMEONE'S DEEPER ANCESTRY, 1896 01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:03,196 SOMEONE'S DEEPER ANCESTRY, WHAT WE CALL THEIR 1897 01:00:03,198 --> 01:00:06,032 WHAT WE CALL THEIR ANTHROGENEALOGICAL INFORMATION. 1898 01:00:06,034 --> 01:00:07,500 ANTHROGENEALOGICAL INFORMATION. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS, 1899 01:00:07,502 --> 01:00:09,335 AND WHAT THAT DOES IS, THAT TRACKS THE INDIVIDUAL 1900 01:00:09,337 --> 01:00:11,771 THAT TRACKS THE INDIVIDUAL BACK NOT HUNDREDS OF YEARS, 1901 01:00:11,773 --> 01:00:13,206 BACK NOT HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AS WE DO IN GENEALOGY, 1902 01:00:13,208 --> 01:00:14,107 AS WE DO IN GENEALOGY, BUT THOUSANDS OR 1903 01:00:14,109 --> 01:00:18,344 BUT THOUSANDS OR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 1904 01:00:18,346 --> 01:00:21,681 TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SUIT UP. 1905 01:00:21,683 --> 01:00:23,116 EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SUIT UP. >> narrator: CHIEF SITTING OWL'S 1906 01:00:23,118 --> 01:00:24,217 >> narrator: CHIEF SITTING OWL'S BLOOD WAS TESTED ALONG WITH 1907 01:00:24,219 --> 01:00:25,918 BLOOD WAS TESTED ALONG WITH THE BLOOD OF 89 OTHER MEMBERS 1908 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,954 THE BLOOD OF 89 OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CENTRAL BAND OF CHEROKEE 1909 01:00:27,956 --> 01:00:29,222 OF THE CENTRAL BAND OF CHEROKEE FOR ASSIGNMENT INTO 1910 01:00:29,224 --> 01:00:30,690 FOR ASSIGNMENT INTO WHAT'S CALLED A HAPLOGROUP, 1911 01:00:30,692 --> 01:00:32,258 WHAT'S CALLED A HAPLOGROUP, OR GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH 1912 01:00:32,260 --> 01:00:34,227 OR GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH A COMMON DNA SEQUENCE. 1913 01:00:34,229 --> 01:00:35,728 A COMMON DNA SEQUENCE. JEWISH PEOPLE TYPICALLY FALL 1914 01:00:35,730 --> 01:00:38,765 JEWISH PEOPLE TYPICALLY FALL INTO ONE OF FOUR HAPLOGROUPS. 1915 01:00:38,767 --> 01:00:41,634 INTO ONE OF FOUR HAPLOGROUPS. >> A GREAT AMOUNT OF OUR BELIEFS 1916 01:00:41,636 --> 01:00:45,238 >> A GREAT AMOUNT OF OUR BELIEFS AND PRACTICES ARE JEWISH. 1917 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,639 AND PRACTICES ARE JEWISH. WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL RECORD 1918 01:00:46,641 --> 01:00:48,207 WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL RECORD THAT COMES FROM THE ORAL 1919 01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:50,276 THAT COMES FROM THE ORAL HISTORY. 1920 01:00:50,278 --> 01:00:51,244 HISTORY. >> narrator: BUT WILL THEY HAVE 1921 01:00:51,246 --> 01:00:54,614 >> narrator: BUT WILL THEY HAVE THE BLOOD EVIDENCE? 1922 01:00:54,616 --> 01:00:59,752 WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ARCHAEOLOGY PROVING AN ANCIENT 1923 01:00:59,754 --> 01:01:00,686 ARCHAEOLOGY PROVING AN ANCIENT HEBREW MIGRATION TO 1924 01:01:00,688 --> 01:01:02,488 HEBREW MIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES, 1925 01:01:02,490 --> 01:01:06,259 THE UNITED STATES, SUCH PROOF IS HARD TO COME BY. 1926 01:01:06,261 --> 01:01:08,227 SUCH PROOF IS HARD TO COME BY. NEW MEXICO STATE ARCHAEOLOGIST 1927 01:01:08,229 --> 01:01:09,328 NEW MEXICO STATE ARCHAEOLOGIST DAVID ECK HAS LED 1928 01:01:09,330 --> 01:01:10,496 DAVID ECK HAS LED MORE THAN HIS SHARE OF PEOPLE 1929 01:01:10,498 --> 01:01:12,165 MORE THAN HIS SHARE OF PEOPLE INTO THE LOS LUNAS DESERT 1930 01:01:12,167 --> 01:01:13,766 INTO THE LOS LUNAS DESERT TO LOOK AT THIS STONE 1931 01:01:13,768 --> 01:01:15,268 TO LOOK AT THIS STONE ETCHED WITH THE TEN COMMANDMENTS 1932 01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:16,702 ETCHED WITH THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE 1933 01:01:16,704 --> 01:01:18,137 IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE PALEO-HEBREW. 1934 01:01:18,139 --> 01:01:20,173 PALEO-HEBREW. IT'S JUST ONE OF SEVERAL STONES 1935 01:01:20,175 --> 01:01:21,340 IT'S JUST ONE OF SEVERAL STONES IN THE UNITED STATES 1936 01:01:21,342 --> 01:01:23,276 IN THE UNITED STATES PEOPLE CLAIM IS EVIDENCE OF 1937 01:01:23,278 --> 01:01:25,778 PEOPLE CLAIM IS EVIDENCE OF AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE MIGRATION. 1938 01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:27,413 AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE MIGRATION. >> THERE ARE MANY THEORIES ABOUT 1939 01:01:27,415 --> 01:01:29,649 >> THERE ARE MANY THEORIES ABOUT WHAT THE STONE IS, ALL THE WAY 1940 01:01:29,651 --> 01:01:31,017 WHAT THE STONE IS, ALL THE WAY FROM EXTRATERRESTRIALS CARVING 1941 01:01:31,019 --> 01:01:32,785 FROM EXTRATERRESTRIALS CARVING A MESSAGE FOR HUMANITY 1942 01:01:32,787 --> 01:01:34,520 A MESSAGE FOR HUMANITY TO LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL 1943 01:01:34,522 --> 01:01:35,421 TO LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL WANDERING THE DESERTS OF 1944 01:01:35,423 --> 01:01:37,423 WANDERING THE DESERTS OF THE AMERICAN SOUTHWEST. 1945 01:01:37,425 --> 01:01:39,759 THE AMERICAN SOUTHWEST. >> LOOKING AT THIS THING, 1946 01:01:39,761 --> 01:01:41,060 >> LOOKING AT THIS THING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPS OUT 1947 01:01:41,062 --> 01:01:42,762 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPS OUT RIGHT AWAY IS, 1948 01:01:42,764 --> 01:01:44,530 RIGHT AWAY IS, THESE CHARACTERS LOOK 1949 01:01:44,532 --> 01:01:47,166 THESE CHARACTERS LOOK RELATIVELY FRESH. 1950 01:01:47,168 --> 01:01:48,167 RELATIVELY FRESH. >> narrator: PRACTICALLY SINCE 1951 01:01:48,169 --> 01:01:49,168 >> narrator: PRACTICALLY SINCE ITS DISCOVERY IN THE EARLY 1952 01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:51,404 ITS DISCOVERY IN THE EARLY 1900s, THE STONE HAS BEEN 1953 01:01:51,406 --> 01:01:52,872 1900s, THE STONE HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO VANDALISM, 1954 01:01:52,874 --> 01:01:53,806 SUBJECT TO VANDALISM, PEOPLE SCRATCHING 1955 01:01:53,808 --> 01:01:55,308 PEOPLE SCRATCHING THE INSCRIPTION, 1956 01:01:55,310 --> 01:01:58,544 THE INSCRIPTION, EVEN ADDING TO IT IN SOME CASES. 1957 01:01:58,546 --> 01:02:01,280 EVEN ADDING TO IT IN SOME CASES. >> THIS MARK HAS BEEN ALTERED. 1958 01:02:01,282 --> 01:02:03,516 >> THIS MARK HAS BEEN ALTERED. AS FAR AS I KNOW, NO WORK HAS 1959 01:02:03,518 --> 01:02:04,517 AS FAR AS I KNOW, NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE TRYING TO DATE 1960 01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:06,586 BEEN DONE TRYING TO DATE THE INSCRIPTION BECAUSE THERE 1961 01:02:06,588 --> 01:02:07,853 THE INSCRIPTION BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY FEW METHODS 1962 01:02:07,855 --> 01:02:08,888 ARE VERY FEW METHODS THAT I KNOW OF THAT WOULD 1963 01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:10,323 THAT I KNOW OF THAT WOULD EVEN ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY 1964 01:02:10,325 --> 01:02:11,357 EVEN ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY OF DATING. 1965 01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:12,224 OF DATING. WE'RE HOPING THAT TODAY 1966 01:02:12,226 --> 01:02:13,993 WE'RE HOPING THAT TODAY WE'LL FIND OUT SOME OF THOSE 1967 01:02:13,995 --> 01:02:16,862 WE'LL FIND OUT SOME OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES. 1968 01:02:16,864 --> 01:02:18,030 POSSIBILITIES. >> narrator: THE STATE AGREED 1969 01:02:18,032 --> 01:02:19,565 >> narrator: THE STATE AGREED TO ALLOW FORENSIC PETROGRAPHER 1970 01:02:19,567 --> 01:02:21,200 TO ALLOW FORENSIC PETROGRAPHER SCOTT WOLTER TO PERFORM 1971 01:02:21,202 --> 01:02:23,336 SCOTT WOLTER TO PERFORM NONINVASIVE TESTING TO HOPEFULLY 1972 01:02:23,338 --> 01:02:25,004 NONINVASIVE TESTING TO HOPEFULLY PROVE WHEN THIS STONE 1973 01:02:25,006 --> 01:02:27,573 PROVE WHEN THIS STONE WAS CARVED. 1974 01:02:27,575 --> 01:02:28,574 WAS CARVED. >> WHAT WE NEED TO DO 1975 01:02:28,576 --> 01:02:30,376 >> WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TRY TO FIND SOME 1976 01:02:30,378 --> 01:02:32,945 IS TRY TO FIND SOME ORIGINAL MARKS, LIKE MAYBE HERE. 1977 01:02:32,947 --> 01:02:33,946 ORIGINAL MARKS, LIKE MAYBE HERE. THIS LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY HAVE 1978 01:02:33,948 --> 01:02:37,016 THIS LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY HAVE LEFT THIS AREA ALONE. 1979 01:02:37,018 --> 01:02:38,017 LEFT THIS AREA ALONE. >> narrator: WOLTER PHOTOGRAPHS 1980 01:02:38,019 --> 01:02:39,719 >> narrator: WOLTER PHOTOGRAPHS THE STONE WITH A CAMERA 1981 01:02:39,721 --> 01:02:41,020 THE STONE WITH A CAMERA OUTFITTED AS A PORTABLE 1982 01:02:41,022 --> 01:02:42,822 OUTFITTED AS A PORTABLE MICROSCOPE. 1983 01:02:42,824 --> 01:02:44,423 MICROSCOPE. >> BY NATURE, MY WORK IS 1984 01:02:44,425 --> 01:02:45,891 >> BY NATURE, MY WORK IS INVASIVE, BUT IN THIS CASE, 1985 01:02:45,893 --> 01:02:46,826 INVASIVE, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT HAS TO BE TOTALLY 1986 01:02:46,828 --> 01:02:47,827 IT HAS TO BE TOTALLY NONINVASIVE. 1987 01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:48,828 NONINVASIVE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, 1988 01:02:48,830 --> 01:02:50,730 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, YOU SEE THIS WEATHERED SURFACE? 1989 01:02:50,732 --> 01:02:52,031 YOU SEE THIS WEATHERED SURFACE? IT'D BE NICE TO GET A PIECE 1990 01:02:52,033 --> 01:02:54,934 IT'D BE NICE TO GET A PIECE THAT I COULD CUT INTO AND LOOK 1991 01:02:54,936 --> 01:02:56,402 THAT I COULD CUT INTO AND LOOK AT THAT WEATHERING PROFILE. 1992 01:02:56,404 --> 01:02:58,037 AT THAT WEATHERING PROFILE. AND I'M JUST PICKING OUT A PIECE 1993 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,139 AND I'M JUST PICKING OUT A PIECE RIGHT HERE. 1994 01:03:00,141 --> 01:03:03,109 RIGHT HERE. THIS ONE KIND OF HAS 1995 01:03:03,111 --> 01:03:05,611 THIS ONE KIND OF HAS A SIMILAR LOOK TO IT. 1996 01:03:05,613 --> 01:03:06,445 A SIMILAR LOOK TO IT. >> IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR. 1997 01:03:06,447 --> 01:03:07,313 >> IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR. >> YEAH. 1998 01:03:07,315 --> 01:03:08,614 >> YEAH. >> I SEE NO CARVINGS ON IT. 1999 01:03:08,616 --> 01:03:10,049 >> I SEE NO CARVINGS ON IT. THAT WOULD BE THE SAMPLE. 2000 01:03:10,051 --> 01:03:10,883 THAT WOULD BE THE SAMPLE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 2001 01:03:10,885 --> 01:03:13,853 >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT'LL WORK. 2002 01:03:13,855 --> 01:03:15,187 THAT'LL WORK. >> narrator: BACK IN THE LAB, 2003 01:03:15,189 --> 01:03:16,956 >> narrator: BACK IN THE LAB, THE MOMENT OF TRUTH. 2004 01:03:16,958 --> 01:03:19,792 THE MOMENT OF TRUTH. CAN THE INSCRIPTION BE DATED? 2005 01:03:19,794 --> 01:03:21,127 CAN THE INSCRIPTION BE DATED? WOLTER COMPARES THE SAMPLE 2006 01:03:21,129 --> 01:03:22,862 WOLTER COMPARES THE SAMPLE WITH THE PHOTOS HE TOOK 2007 01:03:22,864 --> 01:03:23,863 WITH THE PHOTOS HE TOOK AND WITH PHOTOS TAKEN 2008 01:03:23,865 --> 01:03:25,297 AND WITH PHOTOS TAKEN BY OTHERS MANY YEARS AGO 2009 01:03:25,299 --> 01:03:26,632 BY OTHERS MANY YEARS AGO IN AN ATTEMPT TO USE 2010 01:03:26,634 --> 01:03:27,666 IN AN ATTEMPT TO USE THE WEATHERING PERIOD 2011 01:03:27,668 --> 01:03:28,667 THE WEATHERING PERIOD OF EXPOSED MINERALS IN 2012 01:03:28,669 --> 01:03:31,103 OF EXPOSED MINERALS IN THE INSCRIPTION TO DATE IT. 2013 01:03:31,105 --> 01:03:32,271 THE INSCRIPTION TO DATE IT. >> ARE THERE FEATURES THAT I SEE 2014 01:03:32,273 --> 01:03:33,406 >> ARE THERE FEATURES THAT I SEE ON THIS THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO 2015 01:03:33,408 --> 01:03:36,242 ON THIS THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S MORE LIKELY 2016 01:03:36,244 --> 01:03:37,309 BELIEVE THAT IT'S MORE LIKELY OF RECENT AGE AS OPPOSED 2017 01:03:37,311 --> 01:03:38,644 OF RECENT AGE AS OPPOSED TO BEING OLD? 2018 01:03:38,646 --> 01:03:40,112 TO BEING OLD? I WOULD SAY NO. 2019 01:03:40,114 --> 01:03:40,980 I WOULD SAY NO. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE 2020 01:03:40,982 --> 01:03:43,215 I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE A CONCLUSION THAT WAY. 2021 01:03:43,217 --> 01:03:44,083 A CONCLUSION THAT WAY. >> narrator: THE VANDALISM 2022 01:03:44,085 --> 01:03:45,651 >> narrator: THE VANDALISM OF THE INSCRIPTION IS TOO SEVERE 2023 01:03:45,653 --> 01:03:47,019 OF THE INSCRIPTION IS TOO SEVERE FOR GEOLOGY TO CONCLUDE 2024 01:03:47,021 --> 01:03:50,823 FOR GEOLOGY TO CONCLUDE WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CARVED. 2025 01:03:50,825 --> 01:03:52,758 WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CARVED. >> THE FACT THAT THE STONE HAS 2026 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,860 >> THE FACT THAT THE STONE HAS BEEN CLEANED AND RETOOLED 2027 01:03:54,862 --> 01:03:56,829 BEEN CLEANED AND RETOOLED AND WHO KNOWS WHAT DONE TO IT, 2028 01:03:56,831 --> 01:03:58,664 AND WHO KNOWS WHAT DONE TO IT, THAT'S NOT HELPFUL. 2029 01:03:58,666 --> 01:04:01,133 THAT'S NOT HELPFUL. >> PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE, AND 2030 01:04:01,135 --> 01:04:02,935 >> PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE, AND AS SOON AS THEY WANT TO BELIEVE, 2031 01:04:02,937 --> 01:04:05,805 AS SOON AS THEY WANT TO BELIEVE, THEY STOP THINKING. 2032 01:04:05,807 --> 01:04:06,972 THEY STOP THINKING. >> narrator: ANOTHER STONE 2033 01:04:06,974 --> 01:04:08,440 >> narrator: ANOTHER STONE WITH A MYSTERIOUS SEEMINGLY 2034 01:04:08,442 --> 01:04:10,442 WITH A MYSTERIOUS SEEMINGLY HEBREW INSCRIPTION WAS FOUND 2035 01:04:10,444 --> 01:04:12,178 HEBREW INSCRIPTION WAS FOUND HERE, ALONG THE BAT CREEK 2036 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:15,281 HERE, ALONG THE BAT CREEK IN EASTERN TENNESSEE. 2037 01:04:15,283 --> 01:04:16,749 IN EASTERN TENNESSEE. SOME SAY THE INSCRIPTION 2038 01:04:16,751 --> 01:04:19,351 SOME SAY THE INSCRIPTION TRANSLATES TO "FOR JUDEA," 2039 01:04:19,353 --> 01:04:22,288 TRANSLATES TO "FOR JUDEA," A REFERENCE TO ANCIENT ISRAEL. 2040 01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:24,290 A REFERENCE TO ANCIENT ISRAEL. IT WAS FOUND 1889, 2041 01:04:24,292 --> 01:04:25,791 IT WAS FOUND 1889, ALONG WITH WOOD FRAGMENTS 2042 01:04:25,793 --> 01:04:27,359 ALONG WITH WOOD FRAGMENTS THAT WERE CARBON-14 DATED 2043 01:04:27,361 --> 01:04:28,961 THAT WERE CARBON-14 DATED TO SOME TIME BETWEEN THE FIRST 2044 01:04:28,963 --> 01:04:31,330 TO SOME TIME BETWEEN THE FIRST AND EIGHTH CENTURY A.D. 2045 01:04:31,332 --> 01:04:33,365 AND EIGHTH CENTURY A.D. IT WAS FOUND IN A CHEROKEE 2046 01:04:33,367 --> 01:04:35,201 IT WAS FOUND IN A CHEROKEE BURIAL MOUND. 2047 01:04:35,203 --> 01:04:37,336 BURIAL MOUND. >> THE ARTIFACTS THAT HAVE BEEN 2048 01:04:37,338 --> 01:04:40,139 >> THE ARTIFACTS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND IN THIS AREA WHERE THE 2049 01:04:40,141 --> 01:04:42,208 FOUND IN THIS AREA WHERE THE CHEROKEE PEOPLE LIVE ARE VERY 2050 01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:44,944 CHEROKEE PEOPLE LIVE ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE OF OUR 2051 01:04:44,946 --> 01:04:48,113 IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE OF OUR HERITAGE GOING BACK TO THE SAME 2052 01:04:48,115 --> 01:04:50,216 HERITAGE GOING BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT BECAME THE CHEROKEE 2053 01:04:50,218 --> 01:04:52,551 PEOPLE THAT BECAME THE CHEROKEE KNOWN TODAY. 2054 01:04:52,553 --> 01:04:53,719 KNOWN TODAY. >> narrator: EXCEPT 2055 01:04:53,721 --> 01:04:56,188 >> narrator: EXCEPT FAMILY TREE DNA SAYS THE RESULTS 2056 01:04:56,190 --> 01:04:57,756 FAMILY TREE DNA SAYS THE RESULTS OF CHIEF SITTING OWL'S TESTS 2057 01:04:57,758 --> 01:04:59,725 OF CHIEF SITTING OWL'S TESTS ARE IN, AND THEY ARE PROBLEMATIC 2058 01:04:59,727 --> 01:05:02,361 ARE IN, AND THEY ARE PROBLEMATIC IN PROVING JEWISH ANCESTRY. 2059 01:05:02,363 --> 01:05:04,396 IN PROVING JEWISH ANCESTRY. >> AS FAR AS TESTING HAS 2060 01:05:04,398 --> 01:05:06,932 >> AS FAR AS TESTING HAS BEEN DONE WITH US, I SEE 2061 01:05:06,934 --> 01:05:10,369 BEEN DONE WITH US, I SEE NO CONNECTION TO ANY ANCIENT 2062 01:05:10,371 --> 01:05:12,738 NO CONNECTION TO ANY ANCIENT HEBRAIC OR JEWISH POPULATIONS 2063 01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:14,873 HEBRAIC OR JEWISH POPULATIONS WHATSOEVER. 2064 01:05:14,875 --> 01:05:16,175 WHATSOEVER. >> narrator: OF ALL THE MEMBERS 2065 01:05:16,177 --> 01:05:17,743 >> narrator: OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE CENTRAL BAND OF CHEROKEE 2066 01:05:17,745 --> 01:05:20,212 OF THE CENTRAL BAND OF CHEROKEE WHO WERE TESTED, ONLY 3% SHOW 2067 01:05:20,214 --> 01:05:22,982 WHO WERE TESTED, ONLY 3% SHOW ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY, NOT ENOUGH 2068 01:05:22,984 --> 01:05:24,550 ANY JEWISH ANCESTRY, NOT ENOUGH TO PROVE AN ANCIENT HEBREW 2069 01:05:24,552 --> 01:05:25,818 TO PROVE AN ANCIENT HEBREW HERITAGE FOR THE PEOPLE IN 2070 01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:29,455 HERITAGE FOR THE PEOPLE IN CHIEF SITTING OWL'S TRIBE. 2071 01:05:29,457 --> 01:05:31,757 CHIEF SITTING OWL'S TRIBE. >> WILL WE EVER FIND THE FULL 2072 01:05:31,759 --> 01:05:34,193 >> WILL WE EVER FIND THE FULL BLOODLINE OF THE CHEROKEE 2073 01:05:34,195 --> 01:05:35,828 BLOODLINE OF THE CHEROKEE PEOPLE? 2074 01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:38,197 PEOPLE? YES. 2075 01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:39,264 YES. >> narrator: CHIEF SITTING OWL'S 2076 01:05:39,266 --> 01:05:40,866 >> narrator: CHIEF SITTING OWL'S TRIBE ONLY REPRESENTS WHAT 2077 01:05:40,868 --> 01:05:43,035 TRIBE ONLY REPRESENTS WHAT HE SAYS IS A SMALL NUMBER 2078 01:05:43,037 --> 01:05:45,838 HE SAYS IS A SMALL NUMBER OF CHEROKEE, LESS THAN 1%. 2079 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,439 OF CHEROKEE, LESS THAN 1%. THE CENTRAL BAND ITSELF IS NOT 2080 01:05:47,441 --> 01:05:48,607 THE CENTRAL BAND ITSELF IS NOT ONE OF THE THREE FEDERALLY 2081 01:05:48,609 --> 01:05:51,176 ONE OF THE THREE FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES OF CHEROKEE, 2082 01:05:51,178 --> 01:05:52,878 RECOGNIZED TRIBES OF CHEROKEE, ALTHOUGH THE BUREAU OF INDIAN 2083 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,546 ALTHOUGH THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGES 2084 01:05:54,548 --> 01:05:55,914 AFFAIRS OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGES THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WITH 2085 01:05:55,916 --> 01:05:57,816 THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WITH CHEROKEE ANCESTRY THAT'S HARD 2086 01:05:57,818 --> 01:06:00,519 CHEROKEE ANCESTRY THAT'S HARD TO TRACE. 2087 01:06:00,521 --> 01:06:01,820 TO TRACE. >> WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE 2088 01:06:01,822 --> 01:06:03,989 >> WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION HERE IN THE CENTRAL 2089 01:06:03,991 --> 01:06:05,290 SITUATION HERE IN THE CENTRAL BAND OF CHEROKEE. 2090 01:06:05,292 --> 01:06:07,559 BAND OF CHEROKEE. WE WERE ISOLATED FROM THE MAIN 2091 01:06:07,561 --> 01:06:09,795 WE WERE ISOLATED FROM THE MAIN BODY OF THE CHEROKEE IN NORTH 2092 01:06:09,797 --> 01:06:13,065 BODY OF THE CHEROKEE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND NORTH GEORGIA. 2093 01:06:13,067 --> 01:06:14,099 CAROLINA AND NORTH GEORGIA. >> narrator: DNA TESTING 2094 01:06:14,101 --> 01:06:15,300 >> narrator: DNA TESTING OF MORE MEMBERS OF THE CENTRAL 2095 01:06:15,302 --> 01:06:17,102 OF MORE MEMBERS OF THE CENTRAL BAND IS JUST GETTING UNDER WAY 2096 01:06:17,104 --> 01:06:17,970 BAND IS JUST GETTING UNDER WAY IN WHAT'S CALLED 2097 01:06:17,972 --> 01:06:20,439 IN WHAT'S CALLED THE ABRAHAM/MOSES PROJECT. 2098 01:06:20,441 --> 01:06:22,107 THE ABRAHAM/MOSES PROJECT. SOME MEMBERS OF THE EASTERN 2099 01:06:22,109 --> 01:06:23,375 SOME MEMBERS OF THE EASTERN BAND OF CHEROKEE, A TRIBE 2100 01:06:23,377 --> 01:06:25,110 BAND OF CHEROKEE, A TRIBE THAT IS FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED, 2101 01:06:25,112 --> 01:06:26,545 THAT IS FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED, ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THE 2102 01:06:26,547 --> 01:06:28,080 ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THE RESULTS BECAUSE THEY TOO 2103 01:06:28,082 --> 01:06:30,649 RESULTS BECAUSE THEY TOO SUSPECT A JEWISH ANCESTRY. 2104 01:06:30,651 --> 01:06:32,084 SUSPECT A JEWISH ANCESTRY. EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT JEWISH, 2105 01:06:32,086 --> 01:06:33,652 EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT JEWISH, CHIEF SITTING OWL SAYS 2106 01:06:33,654 --> 01:06:35,320 CHIEF SITTING OWL SAYS THE TEST RESULTS FOR HIS TRIBE 2107 01:06:35,322 --> 01:06:37,456 THE TEST RESULTS FOR HIS TRIBE ARE STILL VERY INTERESTING 2108 01:06:37,458 --> 01:06:38,991 ARE STILL VERY INTERESTING IN PROVING WHO CAME TO AMERICA 2109 01:06:38,993 --> 01:06:41,627 IN PROVING WHO CAME TO AMERICA BEFORE COLUMBUS AND HOW. 2110 01:06:41,629 --> 01:06:43,195 BEFORE COLUMBUS AND HOW. >> OUR CHEROKEE DNA PROJECT 2111 01:06:43,197 --> 01:06:46,465 >> OUR CHEROKEE DNA PROJECT HAS PROVEN THAT THE CHEROKEE DID 2112 01:06:46,467 --> 01:06:49,368 HAS PROVEN THAT THE CHEROKEE DID NOT COME ACROSS THE BERING SEA. 2113 01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:50,969 NOT COME ACROSS THE BERING SEA. >> narrator: 94% OF THOSE 2114 01:06:50,971 --> 01:06:53,072 >> narrator: 94% OF THOSE TESTED IN THE CENTRAL BAND 2115 01:06:53,074 --> 01:06:54,540 TESTED IN THE CENTRAL BAND SHOWED EUROPEAN ANCESTRY 2116 01:06:54,542 --> 01:06:56,375 SHOWED EUROPEAN ANCESTRY GOING BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 2117 01:06:56,377 --> 01:06:59,945 GOING BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. EXACTLY HOW FAR BACK IS UNKNOWN. 2118 01:06:59,947 --> 01:07:01,013 EXACTLY HOW FAR BACK IS UNKNOWN. THAT COULD MEAN THEY AREN'T 2119 01:07:01,015 --> 01:07:02,014 THAT COULD MEAN THEY AREN'T CHEROKEE AT ALL. 2120 01:07:02,016 --> 01:07:03,615 CHEROKEE AT ALL. IT COULD ALSO MEAN THEY MIXED 2121 01:07:03,617 --> 01:07:04,983 IT COULD ALSO MEAN THEY MIXED HEAVILY WITH WHITE SETTLERS 2122 01:07:04,985 --> 01:07:07,486 HEAVILY WITH WHITE SETTLERS IN THE NEW WORLD, OR IT COULD 2123 01:07:07,488 --> 01:07:08,487 IN THE NEW WORLD, OR IT COULD MEAN THEY ARE DESCENDENTS 2124 01:07:08,489 --> 01:07:10,989 MEAN THEY ARE DESCENDENTS OF EUROPEANS WHO WERE HERE EVEN 2125 01:07:10,991 --> 01:07:12,858 OF EUROPEANS WHO WERE HERE EVEN BEFORE PALEO-INDIANS CROSSED 2126 01:07:12,860 --> 01:07:16,094 BEFORE PALEO-INDIANS CROSSED THE BERING STRAIT. 2127 01:07:16,096 --> 01:07:17,729 THE BERING STRAIT. IN A BOLD NEW THEORY, 2128 01:07:17,731 --> 01:07:19,665 IN A BOLD NEW THEORY, A SMITHSONIAN ARCHAEOLOGIST 2129 01:07:19,667 --> 01:07:21,500 A SMITHSONIAN ARCHAEOLOGIST SUGGESTS THE PEOPLE WHO CAME 2130 01:07:21,502 --> 01:07:23,502 SUGGESTS THE PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM ASIA LEARNED TO MAKE THEIR 2131 01:07:23,504 --> 01:07:25,871 FROM ASIA LEARNED TO MAKE THEIR TOOLS FROM EUROPEANS WHO WERE 2132 01:07:25,873 --> 01:07:27,873 TOOLS FROM EUROPEANS WHO WERE ALREADY HERE MORE THAN 2133 01:07:27,875 --> 01:07:30,342 ALREADY HERE MORE THAN 20,000 YEARS AGO. 2134 01:07:30,344 --> 01:07:40,519 >> narrator: 22,000 B.C., 23,492 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2135 01:07:40,521 --> 01:07:42,387 23,492 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. IT'S THE ICE AGE, AND MUCH 2136 01:07:42,389 --> 01:07:44,490 IT'S THE ICE AGE, AND MUCH OF THE EARTH'S WATER IS FROZEN, 2137 01:07:44,492 --> 01:07:46,458 OF THE EARTH'S WATER IS FROZEN, MAKING SEA LEVELS WORLDWIDE 2138 01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:49,027 MAKING SEA LEVELS WORLDWIDE 450 FEET LOWER. 2139 01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:50,496 450 FEET LOWER. IT'S STILL THOUSANDS OF YEARS 2140 01:07:50,498 --> 01:07:52,397 IT'S STILL THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE PALEO-INDIANS WILL CROSS 2141 01:07:52,399 --> 01:07:54,166 BEFORE PALEO-INDIANS WILL CROSS THE BERING STRAIT LAND BRIDGE 2142 01:07:54,168 --> 01:07:56,735 THE BERING STRAIT LAND BRIDGE FROM SIBERIA INTO NORTH AMERICA, 2143 01:07:56,737 --> 01:07:58,704 FROM SIBERIA INTO NORTH AMERICA, BUT OFF THE COAST OF VIRGINIA, 2144 01:07:58,706 --> 01:08:00,506 BUT OFF THE COAST OF VIRGINIA, SOMEONE WAS HUNTING 2145 01:08:00,508 --> 01:08:03,041 SOMEONE WAS HUNTING A MASTODON AND LEFT A CLUE 2146 01:08:03,043 --> 01:08:04,710 A MASTODON AND LEFT A CLUE THAT COULD MEAN EUROPEANS 2147 01:08:04,712 --> 01:08:06,912 THAT COULD MEAN EUROPEANS REALLY WERE THE VERY FIRST 2148 01:08:06,914 --> 01:08:08,914 REALLY WERE THE VERY FIRST TO FIND AMERICA. 2149 01:08:08,916 --> 01:08:10,682 TO FIND AMERICA. >> THIS IS THE OLDEST ARTIFACT 2150 01:08:10,684 --> 01:08:13,685 >> THIS IS THE OLDEST ARTIFACT IN THE AMERICAS. 2151 01:08:13,687 --> 01:08:14,987 IN THE AMERICAS. THIS ARTIFACT DEFINITELY GOES 2152 01:08:14,989 --> 01:08:16,922 THIS ARTIFACT DEFINITELY GOES WITH THAT MASTODON, AND WE HAVE 2153 01:08:16,924 --> 01:08:18,190 WITH THAT MASTODON, AND WE HAVE A DATE ON THAT MASTODON OF 2154 01:08:18,192 --> 01:08:21,226 A DATE ON THAT MASTODON OF ALMOST 24,000 YEARS. 2155 01:08:21,228 --> 01:08:22,094 ALMOST 24,000 YEARS. >> narrator: SMITHSONIAN 2156 01:08:22,096 --> 01:08:23,595 >> narrator: SMITHSONIAN ARCHAEOLOGIST DENNIS STANFORD 2157 01:08:23,597 --> 01:08:24,763 ARCHAEOLOGIST DENNIS STANFORD SAYS THE ARTIFACT, 2158 01:08:24,765 --> 01:08:25,998 SAYS THE ARTIFACT, CALLED A BIFACE, 2159 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,399 CALLED A BIFACE, LOOKS JUST LIKE THE ONES 2160 01:08:27,401 --> 01:08:29,201 LOOKS JUST LIKE THE ONES SOLUTREANS MADE. 2161 01:08:29,203 --> 01:08:30,102 SOLUTREANS MADE. THE SOLUTREANS WERE 2162 01:08:30,104 --> 01:08:31,670 THE SOLUTREANS WERE HUNTER-GATHERERS IN SOUTHWESTERN 2163 01:08:31,672 --> 01:08:35,173 HUNTER-GATHERERS IN SOUTHWESTERN EUROPE IN 22,000 B.C. 2164 01:08:35,175 --> 01:08:36,808 EUROPE IN 22,000 B.C. STANFORD HYPOTHESIZES 2165 01:08:36,810 --> 01:08:38,944 STANFORD HYPOTHESIZES THE SOLUTREANS USED SKIN BOATS 2166 01:08:38,946 --> 01:08:40,212 THE SOLUTREANS USED SKIN BOATS TO REACH AMERICA ALONG 2167 01:08:40,214 --> 01:08:42,180 TO REACH AMERICA ALONG THE POLAR ICE FRONT, WHICH 2168 01:08:42,182 --> 01:08:43,949 THE POLAR ICE FRONT, WHICH EXTENDED MUCH FURTHER SOUTH 2169 01:08:43,951 --> 01:08:46,251 EXTENDED MUCH FURTHER SOUTH DURING THE ICE AGE. 2170 01:08:46,253 --> 01:08:47,586 DURING THE ICE AGE. >> IF YOU HAVE A BOAT, 2171 01:08:47,588 --> 01:08:49,755 >> IF YOU HAVE A BOAT, IT CHANGES A LOT OF THINGS. 2172 01:08:49,757 --> 01:08:52,524 IT CHANGES A LOT OF THINGS. IT MEANS THAT RIVERS, LAKES, 2173 01:08:52,526 --> 01:08:54,459 IT MEANS THAT RIVERS, LAKES, OCEANS ARE NO LONGER BARRIERS 2174 01:08:54,461 --> 01:08:56,295 OCEANS ARE NO LONGER BARRIERS TO HUMAN MOVEMENT BUT ARE 2175 01:08:56,297 --> 01:08:59,464 TO HUMAN MOVEMENT BUT ARE THE HIGHWAYS OF HUMAN MOVEMENT. 2176 01:08:59,466 --> 01:09:00,732 THE HIGHWAYS OF HUMAN MOVEMENT. >> narrator: THE ICE EDGE THEY 2177 01:09:00,734 --> 01:09:02,100 >> narrator: THE ICE EDGE THEY FOLLOWED WOULD HAVE BEEN A PLACE 2178 01:09:02,102 --> 01:09:03,969 FOLLOWED WOULD HAVE BEEN A PLACE TO CAMP AND HUNT SEAL 2179 01:09:03,971 --> 01:09:05,437 TO CAMP AND HUNT SEAL FOR THEIR FAT. 2180 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,072 FOR THEIR FAT. >> IF YOU HAVE FAT, 2181 01:09:07,074 --> 01:09:08,540 >> IF YOU HAVE FAT, YOU HAVE FOOD. 2182 01:09:08,542 --> 01:09:09,975 YOU HAVE FOOD. YOU HAVE WATERPROOFING. 2183 01:09:09,977 --> 01:09:12,377 YOU HAVE WATERPROOFING. YOU HAVE A SOURCE FOR FIRE. 2184 01:09:12,379 --> 01:09:14,046 YOU HAVE A SOURCE FOR FIRE. IT'S REALLY A KEY ISSUE 2185 01:09:14,048 --> 01:09:16,381 IT'S REALLY A KEY ISSUE THAT YOU NEED. 2186 01:09:16,383 --> 01:09:17,716 THAT YOU NEED. >> narrator: STANFORD SAYS 2187 01:09:17,718 --> 01:09:18,717 >> narrator: STANFORD SAYS ONCE THE SOLUTREANS WERE 2188 01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:20,652 ONCE THE SOLUTREANS WERE IN AMERICA, THEY EVENTUALLY 2189 01:09:20,654 --> 01:09:22,621 IN AMERICA, THEY EVENTUALLY CONVERGED WITH PALEO-INDIANS 2190 01:09:22,623 --> 01:09:23,989 CONVERGED WITH PALEO-INDIANS WHO DID COME ACROSS 2191 01:09:23,991 --> 01:09:25,123 WHO DID COME ACROSS THE BERING STRAIT LAND BRIDGE 2192 01:09:25,125 --> 01:09:26,758 THE BERING STRAIT LAND BRIDGE FROM SIBERIA. 2193 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,660 FROM SIBERIA. TOGETHER, HE SAYS, THE 2194 01:09:28,662 --> 01:09:29,961 TOGETHER, HE SAYS, THE TWO GROUPS FORMED WHAT'S CALLED 2195 01:09:29,963 --> 01:09:31,496 TWO GROUPS FORMED WHAT'S CALLED THE CLOVIS CULTURE. 2196 01:09:31,498 --> 01:09:32,998 THE CLOVIS CULTURE. HE SAYS THEIR CONVERGENCE 2197 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,633 HE SAYS THEIR CONVERGENCE IS THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN 2198 01:09:34,635 --> 01:09:36,101 IS THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS 2199 01:09:36,103 --> 01:09:37,235 UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF CLOVIS STONE TOOLS 2200 01:09:37,237 --> 01:09:40,772 OF CLOVIS STONE TOOLS FOUND THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAS. 2201 01:09:40,774 --> 01:09:42,441 FOUND THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAS. >> THIS IS A BLADE CORE, 2202 01:09:42,443 --> 01:09:44,342 >> THIS IS A BLADE CORE, A CLOVIS BLADE CORE. 2203 01:09:44,344 --> 01:09:47,012 A CLOVIS BLADE CORE. IT'S MADE IDENTICALLY TO THOSE 2204 01:09:47,014 --> 01:09:50,248 IT'S MADE IDENTICALLY TO THOSE OF THE SOLUTREAN TIME PERIOD. 2205 01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,284 OF THE SOLUTREAN TIME PERIOD. THERE WERE MANY, MANY TOOLS 2206 01:09:52,286 --> 01:09:53,151 THERE WERE MANY, MANY TOOLS THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY 2207 01:09:53,153 --> 01:09:54,920 THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL AND UNIQUE 2208 01:09:54,922 --> 01:09:57,355 IDENTICAL AND UNIQUE TO CLOVIS AND SOLUTREAN 2209 01:09:57,357 --> 01:09:58,824 TO CLOVIS AND SOLUTREAN BUT DIFFERENT THAN 2210 01:09:58,826 --> 01:10:01,159 BUT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU GET IN SIBERIA. 2211 01:10:01,161 --> 01:10:03,195 WHAT YOU GET IN SIBERIA. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 2212 01:10:03,197 --> 01:10:04,596 THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN ASIA THAT YOU COULD DERIVE 2213 01:10:04,598 --> 01:10:08,500 IN ASIA THAT YOU COULD DERIVE CLOVIS TECHNOLOGY FROM. 2214 01:10:08,502 --> 01:10:09,468 CLOVIS TECHNOLOGY FROM. >> narrator: WHILE STANFORD'S 2215 01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:11,136 >> narrator: WHILE STANFORD'S THEORY THAT EUROPEANS REALLY 2216 01:10:11,138 --> 01:10:12,504 THEORY THAT EUROPEANS REALLY WERE THE FIRST INHABITANTS 2217 01:10:12,506 --> 01:10:14,473 WERE THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF THE NEW WORLD ISN'T WIDELY 2218 01:10:14,475 --> 01:10:18,777 OF THE NEW WORLD ISN'T WIDELY ACCEPTED, IT MIGHT BE SOMEDAY. 2219 01:10:18,779 --> 01:10:20,779 ACCEPTED, IT MIGHT BE SOMEDAY. >> I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING, 2220 01:10:20,781 --> 01:10:22,214 >> I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING, AND WHETHER WE'RE RIGHT 2221 01:10:22,216 --> 01:10:24,116 AND WHETHER WE'RE RIGHT OR WRONG, IT DOESN'T MAKE 2222 01:10:24,118 --> 01:10:25,050 OR WRONG, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, 2223 01:10:25,052 --> 01:10:26,551 ANY DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THINKING 2224 01:10:26,553 --> 01:10:27,853 BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT. 2225 01:10:27,855 --> 01:10:29,187 ABOUT IT. >> narrator: FOR ARCHAEOLOGICAL 2226 01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:31,823 >> narrator: FOR ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDIES FROM 13,000 YEARS AGO 2227 01:10:31,825 --> 01:10:33,825 STUDIES FROM 13,000 YEARS AGO OR MORE, STONE TOOLS ARE SOME 2228 01:10:33,827 --> 01:10:36,628 OR MORE, STONE TOOLS ARE SOME OF THE ONLY THINGS TO COMPARE. 2229 01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:38,330 OF THE ONLY THINGS TO COMPARE. ONCE POTTERY DEVELOPED, 2230 01:10:38,332 --> 01:10:39,865 ONCE POTTERY DEVELOPED, IT BECAME A CRITICAL TOOL 2231 01:10:39,867 --> 01:10:41,233 IT BECAME A CRITICAL TOOL IN LEARNING ABOUT GENERATIONS 2232 01:10:41,235 --> 01:10:42,400 IN LEARNING ABOUT GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE AND HOW 2233 01:10:42,402 --> 01:10:44,669 OF PEOPLE AND HOW THEIR CIVILIZATIONS EVOLVED. 2234 01:10:44,671 --> 01:10:46,338 THEIR CIVILIZATIONS EVOLVED. MOLDED INTO THIS CLAY 2235 01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:47,639 MOLDED INTO THIS CLAY ARE CLUES OF ANOTHER 2236 01:10:47,641 --> 01:10:52,310 ARE CLUES OF ANOTHER PRE-COLUMBIAN VOYAGE TO AMERICA. 2237 01:10:52,312 --> 01:10:56,081 PRE-COLUMBIAN VOYAGE TO AMERICA. ECUADOR, 3044 B.C., 2238 01:10:56,083 --> 01:11:00,852 ECUADOR, 3044 B.C., 4,536 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2239 01:11:00,854 --> 01:11:02,420 4,536 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 2240 01:11:02,422 --> 01:11:03,855 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, STONEHENGE IS RISING 2241 01:11:03,857 --> 01:11:05,757 STONEHENGE IS RISING IN THE ENGLISH COUNTRYSIDE, 2242 01:11:05,759 --> 01:11:07,492 IN THE ENGLISH COUNTRYSIDE, AND THE FIRST WRITING SYSTEM, 2243 01:11:07,494 --> 01:11:09,361 AND THE FIRST WRITING SYSTEM, CALLED CUNEIFORM, WAS RECENTLY 2244 01:11:09,363 --> 01:11:11,363 CALLED CUNEIFORM, WAS RECENTLY INVENTED IN SUMERIA. 2245 01:11:11,365 --> 01:11:13,098 INVENTED IN SUMERIA. IN ECUADOR, THE COASTLINE 2246 01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:14,933 IN ECUADOR, THE COASTLINE CULTURE OF THE VALDIVIANS 2247 01:11:14,935 --> 01:11:16,401 CULTURE OF THE VALDIVIANS IS PRIMITIVE, MADE UP 2248 01:11:16,403 --> 01:11:18,603 IS PRIMITIVE, MADE UP OF HUNTERS AND GATHERERS, 2249 01:11:18,605 --> 01:11:19,671 OF HUNTERS AND GATHERERS, BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO MAKE 2250 01:11:19,673 --> 01:11:20,672 BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO MAKE POTTERY. 2251 01:11:20,674 --> 01:11:22,107 POTTERY. THE QUESTION IS, 2252 01:11:22,109 --> 01:11:23,108 THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DID THEY LEARN 2253 01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:25,610 WHERE DID THEY LEARN THEIR SOPHISTICATED TECHNIQUES? 2254 01:11:25,612 --> 01:11:26,878 THEIR SOPHISTICATED TECHNIQUES? >> WE BELIEVE THEY WERE 2255 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,780 >> WE BELIEVE THEY WERE A VERY DEVELOPED CULTURE 2256 01:11:28,782 --> 01:11:30,549 A VERY DEVELOPED CULTURE BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED SOME 2257 01:11:30,551 --> 01:11:32,417 BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED SOME INFLUENCE FROM MORE ADVANCED 2258 01:11:32,419 --> 01:11:34,853 INFLUENCE FROM MORE ADVANCED CULTURE, AS MY GRANDFATHER SAID, 2259 01:11:34,855 --> 01:11:36,688 CULTURE, AS MY GRANDFATHER SAID, PERHAPS THE JOMON CULTURE 2260 01:11:36,690 --> 01:11:38,557 PERHAPS THE JOMON CULTURE FROM JAPAN. 2261 01:11:38,559 --> 01:11:39,558 FROM JAPAN. >> narrator: EMILIO ESTRADA 2262 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,927 >> narrator: EMILIO ESTRADA WAS ALEXIA MOLINA'S GRANDFATHER, 2263 01:11:41,929 --> 01:11:43,929 WAS ALEXIA MOLINA'S GRANDFATHER, A LOCAL MAN WHO COLLECTED 2264 01:11:43,931 --> 01:11:45,363 A LOCAL MAN WHO COLLECTED FRAGMENTS OF POTTERY DURING 2265 01:11:45,365 --> 01:11:47,599 FRAGMENTS OF POTTERY DURING HUNTING TRIPS IN VALDIVIA. 2266 01:11:47,601 --> 01:11:49,134 HUNTING TRIPS IN VALDIVIA. >> BIT BY BIT, HE BECAME VERY 2267 01:11:49,136 --> 01:11:50,936 >> BIT BY BIT, HE BECAME VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE MEANING 2268 01:11:50,938 --> 01:11:53,305 INTERESTED IN WHAT THE MEANING OF THESE PIECES WAS. 2269 01:11:53,307 --> 01:11:54,406 OF THESE PIECES WAS. >> narrator: AFTER NOTICING 2270 01:11:54,408 --> 01:11:55,574 >> narrator: AFTER NOTICING SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE SHARDS 2271 01:11:55,576 --> 01:11:57,142 SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE SHARDS HE FOUND AND JAPANESE 2272 01:11:57,144 --> 01:11:59,744 HE FOUND AND JAPANESE JOMON POTTERY CIRCA 4,000 B.C. 2273 01:11:59,746 --> 01:12:01,413 JOMON POTTERY CIRCA 4,000 B.C. HE SAW IN BOOKS, 2274 01:12:01,415 --> 01:12:02,547 HE SAW IN BOOKS, HE WAS CONVINCED OF 2275 01:12:02,549 --> 01:12:03,582 HE WAS CONVINCED OF A CONNECTION. 2276 01:12:03,584 --> 01:12:04,649 A CONNECTION. BUT BEING NO EXPERT 2277 01:12:04,651 --> 01:12:06,885 BUT BEING NO EXPERT IN ARCHAEOLOGY, HE CONTACTED 2278 01:12:06,887 --> 01:12:08,486 IN ARCHAEOLOGY, HE CONTACTED THE SMITHSONIAN. 2279 01:12:08,488 --> 01:12:10,422 THE SMITHSONIAN. >> HE WROTE US A LETTER 2280 01:12:10,424 --> 01:12:11,256 >> HE WROTE US A LETTER AND SAID, YOU KNOW, 2281 01:12:11,258 --> 01:12:12,490 AND SAID, YOU KNOW, "I JUST SAW SOME PICTURES 2282 01:12:12,492 --> 01:12:14,993 "I JUST SAW SOME PICTURES OF POTTERY, JOMON, 2283 01:12:14,995 --> 01:12:16,628 OF POTTERY, JOMON, THAT LOOKS LIKE VALDIVIA. 2284 01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:18,396 THAT LOOKS LIKE VALDIVIA. WHAT DO YOU THINK?" 2285 01:12:18,398 --> 01:12:19,264 WHAT DO YOU THINK?" >> narrator: IT WAS THE 2286 01:12:19,266 --> 01:12:20,398 >> narrator: IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF A FRIENDSHIP 2287 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:21,466 BEGINNING OF A FRIENDSHIP AND OF WHAT WOULD BECOME 2288 01:12:21,468 --> 01:12:23,068 AND OF WHAT WOULD BECOME A 50-YEAR PUSH TO PROVE 2289 01:12:23,070 --> 01:12:24,736 A 50-YEAR PUSH TO PROVE THAT THE JAPANESE MADE IT 2290 01:12:24,738 --> 01:12:27,939 THAT THE JAPANESE MADE IT TO AMERICA SOME 4,500 YEARS 2291 01:12:27,941 --> 01:12:31,409 TO AMERICA SOME 4,500 YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2292 01:12:31,411 --> 01:12:33,578 BEFORE COLUMBUS. >> WE TOOK A BIG STACK OF 2293 01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:36,181 >> WE TOOK A BIG STACK OF VALDIVIA POTTERY, AND WE WENT 2294 01:12:36,183 --> 01:12:38,183 VALDIVIA POTTERY, AND WE WENT FROM TOKYO ALL THE WAY DOWN 2295 01:12:38,185 --> 01:12:39,818 FROM TOKYO ALL THE WAY DOWN BY TRAIN AND STOPPED EVERYWHERE 2296 01:12:39,820 --> 01:12:41,353 BY TRAIN AND STOPPED EVERYWHERE WHERE THERE WAS A MUSEUM 2297 01:12:41,355 --> 01:12:42,320 WHERE THERE WAS A MUSEUM OR COLLECTION. 2298 01:12:42,322 --> 01:12:44,456 OR COLLECTION. AND WHEN WE GOT TO KYUSHU, 2299 01:12:44,458 --> 01:12:45,623 AND WHEN WE GOT TO KYUSHU, WE STARTED SEEING ALL KINDS 2300 01:12:45,625 --> 01:12:47,292 WE STARTED SEEING ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT LOOKED JUST LIKE 2301 01:12:47,294 --> 01:12:49,094 OF THINGS THAT LOOKED JUST LIKE VALDIVIA. 2302 01:12:49,096 --> 01:12:52,197 VALDIVIA. >> [speaking Japanese] 2303 01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:53,932 >> [speaking Japanese] >> WHAT DISTINGUISHES KYUSHU'S 2304 01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,368 >> WHAT DISTINGUISHES KYUSHU'S POTTERY FROM OTHERS IS THE FACT 2305 01:12:56,370 --> 01:12:57,669 POTTERY FROM OTHERS IS THE FACT THAT THE DESIGN IS NOT 2306 01:12:57,671 --> 01:12:59,938 THAT THE DESIGN IS NOT FLAMBOYANT AND THAT THEY FOCUS 2307 01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:04,642 FLAMBOYANT AND THAT THEY FOCUS ON PATTERNS MADE FROM LINES. 2308 01:13:04,644 --> 01:13:05,710 ON PATTERNS MADE FROM LINES. >> narrator: KYUSHU IS THE 2309 01:13:05,712 --> 01:13:08,046 >> narrator: KYUSHU IS THE THIRD LARGEST ISLAND IN JAPAN 2310 01:13:08,048 --> 01:13:08,980 THIRD LARGEST ISLAND IN JAPAN AND FORMS THE SOUTHERN TIP 2311 01:13:08,982 --> 01:13:10,448 AND FORMS THE SOUTHERN TIP OF THE COUNTRY. 2312 01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:12,283 OF THE COUNTRY. DR. MEGGERS AND ESTRADA SET OUT 2313 01:13:12,285 --> 01:13:13,885 DR. MEGGERS AND ESTRADA SET OUT TO FIND OUT HOW THE POTTERY 2314 01:13:13,887 --> 01:13:15,653 TO FIND OUT HOW THE POTTERY FROM KYUSHU COULD POSSIBLY 2315 01:13:15,655 --> 01:13:17,021 FROM KYUSHU COULD POSSIBLY BE CONNECTED TO POTTERY 2316 01:13:17,023 --> 01:13:19,124 BE CONNECTED TO POTTERY IN VALDIVIA, SOME 8,000 2317 01:13:19,126 --> 01:13:21,493 IN VALDIVIA, SOME 8,000 NAUTICAL MILES AWAY. 2318 01:13:21,495 --> 01:13:25,463 NAUTICAL MILES AWAY. THEIR FINDINGS WERE EXPLOSIVE. 2319 01:13:25,465 --> 01:13:28,900 THEIR FINDINGS WERE EXPLOSIVE. [roaring and rumbling] 2320 01:13:28,902 --> 01:13:32,504 [roaring and rumbling] 6,300 YEARS AGO, THE KIKAI 2321 01:13:32,506 --> 01:13:33,805 6,300 YEARS AGO, THE KIKAI VOLCANO IN SOUTHERN JAPAN 2322 01:13:33,807 --> 01:13:35,740 VOLCANO IN SOUTHERN JAPAN ERUPTED WITH GREATER FORCE 2323 01:13:35,742 --> 01:13:38,143 ERUPTED WITH GREATER FORCE THAN THAT OF LEGENDARY KRAKATOA 2324 01:13:38,145 --> 01:13:40,712 THAN THAT OF LEGENDARY KRAKATOA IN THE 1880s. 2325 01:13:40,714 --> 01:13:42,247 IN THE 1880s. KYUSHU WAS COATED IN MORE THAN 2326 01:13:42,249 --> 01:13:44,582 KYUSHU WAS COATED IN MORE THAN A FOOT OF ASH, AS PUMICE RAINED 2327 01:13:44,584 --> 01:13:47,252 A FOOT OF ASH, AS PUMICE RAINED ALL ACROSS THE REGION. 2328 01:13:47,254 --> 01:13:49,020 ALL ACROSS THE REGION. >> PEOPLE WOULD HAVE JUMPED 2329 01:13:49,022 --> 01:13:49,921 >> PEOPLE WOULD HAVE JUMPED IN THEIR CANOES. 2330 01:13:49,923 --> 01:13:50,889 IN THEIR CANOES. WE KNOW THEY DID DEEP-SEA 2331 01:13:50,891 --> 01:13:51,823 WE KNOW THEY DID DEEP-SEA FISHING. 2332 01:13:51,825 --> 01:13:53,024 FISHING. THEY COULD CATCH RAINWATER, 2333 01:13:53,026 --> 01:13:54,092 THEY COULD CATCH RAINWATER, AND THEY COULD CATCH FISH, 2334 01:13:54,094 --> 01:13:57,829 AND THEY COULD CATCH FISH, AND THEY COULD SURVIVE. 2335 01:13:57,831 --> 01:13:59,097 AND THEY COULD SURVIVE. >> narrator: BUT COULD THEY HAVE 2336 01:13:59,099 --> 01:14:00,064 >> narrator: BUT COULD THEY HAVE MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO 2337 01:14:00,066 --> 01:14:01,099 MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE COAST OF ECUADOR 2338 01:14:01,101 --> 01:14:04,736 THE COAST OF ECUADOR IN BOATS LIKE THIS? 2339 01:14:04,738 --> 01:14:07,705 IN BOATS LIKE THIS? A TRADITIONAL JOMON FISHING BOAT 2340 01:14:07,707 --> 01:14:09,274 A TRADITIONAL JOMON FISHING BOAT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY SIMPLE, 2341 01:14:09,276 --> 01:14:10,708 WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY SIMPLE, SOME 20 FEET LONG 2342 01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:12,277 SOME 20 FEET LONG AND JUST 2 FEET WIDE, 2343 01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:14,546 AND JUST 2 FEET WIDE, WITH ONLY OARS, NOT EVEN A SAIL 2344 01:14:14,548 --> 01:14:15,413 WITH ONLY OARS, NOT EVEN A SAIL TO GET THEM WHERE 2345 01:14:15,415 --> 01:14:17,849 TO GET THEM WHERE THEY WERE GOING. 2346 01:14:17,851 --> 01:14:20,852 THEY WERE GOING. >> [speaking Japanese] 2347 01:14:20,854 --> 01:14:21,886 >> [speaking Japanese] >> THEY WOULD CARVE THESE BOATS 2348 01:14:21,888 --> 01:14:23,421 >> THEY WOULD CARVE THESE BOATS OUT OF LOGS. 2349 01:14:23,423 --> 01:14:25,290 OUT OF LOGS. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY HOW MANY 2350 01:14:25,292 --> 01:14:26,391 IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FIT INSIDE 2351 01:14:26,393 --> 01:14:27,392 PEOPLE WOULD FIT INSIDE THE BOAT. 2352 01:14:27,394 --> 01:14:28,293 THE BOAT. IT WOULD ALL DEPEND 2353 01:14:28,295 --> 01:14:31,629 IT WOULD ALL DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE LOG. 2354 01:14:31,631 --> 01:14:38,303 >> EVEN THOUGH TRAVELING IN A SMALL TREE BOAT WAS A RISK, 2355 01:14:38,305 --> 01:14:41,306 IN A SMALL TREE BOAT WAS A RISK, TO THIS CULTURE, SEAFARING 2356 01:14:41,308 --> 01:14:44,976 TO THIS CULTURE, SEAFARING WAS A PART OF THEIR LIVES. 2357 01:14:44,978 --> 01:14:50,882 >> IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, 2358 01:14:50,884 --> 01:14:52,050 WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BY HOPSCOTCHING FROM ISLAND 2359 01:14:52,052 --> 01:14:53,551 BY HOPSCOTCHING FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND, WORKING THEIR WAY 2360 01:14:53,553 --> 01:14:54,452 TO ISLAND, WORKING THEIR WAY DOWN THE COAST, THEY COULD 2361 01:14:54,454 --> 01:14:55,553 DOWN THE COAST, THEY COULD HAVE REACHED CENTRAL 2362 01:14:55,555 --> 01:14:58,389 HAVE REACHED CENTRAL OR SOUTH AMERICA. 2363 01:14:58,391 --> 01:14:59,324 OR SOUTH AMERICA. >> narrator: THE KUROSHIO 2364 01:14:59,326 --> 01:15:00,391 >> narrator: THE KUROSHIO CURRENT WOULD HAVE PROPELLED 2365 01:15:00,393 --> 01:15:01,659 CURRENT WOULD HAVE PROPELLED THE FISHERMEN EASTWARD 2366 01:15:01,661 --> 01:15:03,328 THE FISHERMEN EASTWARD AND NORTHWARD, SO THEY WOULDN'T 2367 01:15:03,330 --> 01:15:05,430 AND NORTHWARD, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO TRAVEL 8,000 MILES 2368 01:15:05,432 --> 01:15:07,465 HAVE HAD TO TRAVEL 8,000 MILES OF OPEN SEA. 2369 01:15:07,467 --> 01:15:08,633 OF OPEN SEA. >> LITTLE EFFORT WOULD BE 2370 01:15:08,635 --> 01:15:10,468 >> LITTLE EFFORT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CROSS FROM 2371 01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:11,469 REQUIRED TO CROSS FROM SUBTROPICAL GYRE 2372 01:15:11,471 --> 01:15:12,937 SUBTROPICAL GYRE INTO SUBPOLAR GYRE, 2373 01:15:12,939 --> 01:15:15,907 INTO SUBPOLAR GYRE, AND THEN STRONG EASTERN BOUNDARY 2374 01:15:15,909 --> 01:15:17,342 AND THEN STRONG EASTERN BOUNDARY CURRENT WOULD LEAD DIRECTLY 2375 01:15:17,344 --> 01:15:18,977 CURRENT WOULD LEAD DIRECTLY TO ALASKA. 2376 01:15:18,979 --> 01:15:20,345 TO ALASKA. >> narrator: FROM ALASKA, 2377 01:15:20,347 --> 01:15:21,145 >> narrator: FROM ALASKA, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2378 01:15:21,147 --> 01:15:22,413 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A RELATIVELY EASY JOURNEY 2379 01:15:22,415 --> 01:15:24,248 A RELATIVELY EASY JOURNEY ALONG THE CALIFORNIA COAST, 2380 01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:25,783 ALONG THE CALIFORNIA COAST, ALONG THE EDGE OF CENTRAL 2381 01:15:25,785 --> 01:15:28,453 ALONG THE EDGE OF CENTRAL AMERICA, AND ON TO ECUADOR. 2382 01:15:28,455 --> 01:15:29,654 AMERICA, AND ON TO ECUADOR. >> OBVIOUSLY THEY MADE 2383 01:15:29,656 --> 01:15:31,723 >> OBVIOUSLY THEY MADE A LANDFALL ON VALDIVIA, AND THEY 2384 01:15:31,725 --> 01:15:33,691 A LANDFALL ON VALDIVIA, AND THEY FOUND PEOPLE LIVING ESSENTIALLY 2385 01:15:33,693 --> 01:15:37,095 FOUND PEOPLE LIVING ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THEY WERE IN JAPAN, 2386 01:15:37,097 --> 01:15:40,465 THE WAY THEY WERE IN JAPAN, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE POTTERY. 2387 01:15:40,467 --> 01:15:41,499 BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE POTTERY. >> narrator: DR. MEGGERS 2388 01:15:41,501 --> 01:15:42,533 >> narrator: DR. MEGGERS IS CONVINCED THE JAPANESE 2389 01:15:42,535 --> 01:15:44,002 IS CONVINCED THE JAPANESE INTRODUCED IT TO THEM 2390 01:15:44,004 --> 01:15:45,970 INTRODUCED IT TO THEM AND TOGETHER WITH ESTRADA, 2391 01:15:45,972 --> 01:15:47,872 AND TOGETHER WITH ESTRADA, FOUND 26 SIMILARITIES IN 2392 01:15:47,874 --> 01:15:50,174 FOUND 26 SIMILARITIES IN TECHNIQUE AND MOTIF ON POTTERY 2393 01:15:50,176 --> 01:15:52,377 TECHNIQUE AND MOTIF ON POTTERY FROM JAPAN AND VALDIVIA. 2394 01:15:52,379 --> 01:15:54,278 FROM JAPAN AND VALDIVIA. THEY INCLUDE DOG BONE SHAPES 2395 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,180 THEY INCLUDE DOG BONE SHAPES AND HOURGLASS FIGURES, 2396 01:15:56,182 --> 01:15:57,515 AND HOURGLASS FIGURES, WHICH BETTY SAYS AREN'T FOUND 2397 01:15:57,517 --> 01:15:59,384 WHICH BETTY SAYS AREN'T FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT ON 2398 01:15:59,386 --> 01:16:01,719 ANYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT ON JOMON AND VALDIVIAN POTTERY. 2399 01:16:01,721 --> 01:16:03,354 JOMON AND VALDIVIAN POTTERY. >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET 2400 01:16:03,356 --> 01:16:05,056 >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET INDEPENDENT INVENTION OF ALL 2401 01:16:05,058 --> 01:16:06,958 INDEPENDENT INVENTION OF ALL OF THESE COMPLICATED TECHNIQUES 2402 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,360 OF THESE COMPLICATED TECHNIQUES AND MOTIFS. 2403 01:16:09,362 --> 01:16:10,228 AND MOTIFS. >> narrator: BUT CRITICS 2404 01:16:10,230 --> 01:16:11,963 >> narrator: BUT CRITICS DISAGREE. 2405 01:16:11,965 --> 01:16:13,398 DISAGREE. THEY THINK THE VALDIVIANS 2406 01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:14,399 THEY THINK THE VALDIVIANS COULD HAVE COME UP WITH THEIR 2407 01:16:14,401 --> 01:16:18,403 COULD HAVE COME UP WITH THEIR POTTERY DESIGNS ON THEIR OWN. 2408 01:16:18,405 --> 01:16:19,904 POTTERY DESIGNS ON THEIR OWN. IT TURNS OUT, HOWEVER, 2409 01:16:19,906 --> 01:16:21,672 IT TURNS OUT, HOWEVER, POTTERY ISN'T THE ONLY THING 2410 01:16:21,674 --> 01:16:23,207 POTTERY ISN'T THE ONLY THING TO SUGGEST THE JAPANESE MADE IT 2411 01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:24,208 TO SUGGEST THE JAPANESE MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA 2412 01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:25,810 TO SOUTH AMERICA IN ANCIENT TIMES. 2413 01:16:25,812 --> 01:16:27,145 IN ANCIENT TIMES. THERE'S ALSO EVIDENCE 2414 01:16:27,147 --> 01:16:31,916 THERE'S ALSO EVIDENCE THEY INTRODUCED A DEADLY VIRUS. 2415 01:16:31,918 --> 01:16:34,085 THEY INTRODUCED A DEADLY VIRUS. >> THIS VIRUS IS VERY, VERY 2416 01:16:34,087 --> 01:16:35,753 >> THIS VIRUS IS VERY, VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE OF THE 2417 01:16:35,755 --> 01:16:37,255 INTERESTING BECAUSE OF THE VERY UNIQUE GEOGRAPHICAL 2418 01:16:37,257 --> 01:16:39,524 VERY UNIQUE GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION. 2419 01:16:39,526 --> 01:16:40,425 DISTRIBUTION. >> narrator: THE VIRUS IS 2420 01:16:40,427 --> 01:16:41,826 >> narrator: THE VIRUS IS THE HUMAN "T" CELL LYMPHOTROPIC 2421 01:16:41,828 --> 01:16:46,264 THE HUMAN "T" CELL LYMPHOTROPIC VIRUS TYPE I, CALLED HTLV-1. 2422 01:16:46,266 --> 01:16:47,265 VIRUS TYPE I, CALLED HTLV-1. IT'S RARE, AND IT CAUSES 2423 01:16:47,267 --> 01:16:49,434 IT'S RARE, AND IT CAUSES LEUKEMIA. 2424 01:16:49,436 --> 01:16:51,436 LEUKEMIA. HTLV-1 IS ONLY FOUND IN 2425 01:16:51,438 --> 01:16:53,037 HTLV-1 IS ONLY FOUND IN A SMALL NUMBER OF MODERN-DAY 2426 01:16:53,039 --> 01:16:55,039 A SMALL NUMBER OF MODERN-DAY PEOPLE FROM SOUTHERN JAPAN 2427 01:16:55,041 --> 01:16:56,574 PEOPLE FROM SOUTHERN JAPAN AND MUMMIFIED PEOPLE IN 2428 01:16:56,576 --> 01:17:00,878 AND MUMMIFIED PEOPLE IN SOUTH AMERICA'S ATACAMA DESERT. 2429 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,547 SOUTH AMERICA'S ATACAMA DESERT. AT THE BASE OF THE ANDES, 2430 01:17:02,549 --> 01:17:04,882 AT THE BASE OF THE ANDES, THIS DESERT IS THE DRIEST PLACE 2431 01:17:04,884 --> 01:17:06,517 THIS DESERT IS THE DRIEST PLACE ON EARTH. 2432 01:17:06,519 --> 01:17:08,352 ON EARTH. LAND PARCHED AND CRACKED, 2433 01:17:08,354 --> 01:17:11,122 LAND PARCHED AND CRACKED, IT LOOKS LIKE A LUNAR LANDSCAPE. 2434 01:17:11,124 --> 01:17:12,890 IT LOOKS LIKE A LUNAR LANDSCAPE. BECAUSE OF THE CLIMATE, 2435 01:17:12,892 --> 01:17:14,091 BECAUSE OF THE CLIMATE, MUMMIES LIKE THESE WERE 2436 01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:17,895 MUMMIES LIKE THESE WERE STRIKINGLY PRESERVED. 2437 01:17:17,897 --> 01:17:19,931 STRIKINGLY PRESERVED. >> BUT ANDES PEOPLE ARE SIMILAR 2438 01:17:19,933 --> 01:17:22,567 >> BUT ANDES PEOPLE ARE SIMILAR TO JAPANESE, ESPECIALLY 2439 01:17:22,569 --> 01:17:24,869 TO JAPANESE, ESPECIALLY SOUTHWESTERN JAPAN. 2440 01:17:24,871 --> 01:17:27,939 SOUTHWESTERN JAPAN. SO NOT ONLY TYPE OF THE VIRUS 2441 01:17:27,941 --> 01:17:29,941 SO NOT ONLY TYPE OF THE VIRUS BUT ALSO A GENETIC BACKGROUND 2442 01:17:29,943 --> 01:17:33,778 BUT ALSO A GENETIC BACKGROUND SIMILAR TO JAPANESE. 2443 01:17:33,780 --> 01:17:34,612 SIMILAR TO JAPANESE. >> narrator: THOSE 2444 01:17:34,614 --> 01:17:36,314 >> narrator: THOSE ANTHROPOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES 2445 01:17:36,316 --> 01:17:37,949 ANTHROPOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES ARE WHAT LED HIM TO THE MUMMIES 2446 01:17:37,951 --> 01:17:39,951 ARE WHAT LED HIM TO THE MUMMIES HERE, IN SEARCH OF MORE ANSWERS 2447 01:17:39,953 --> 01:17:43,087 HERE, IN SEARCH OF MORE ANSWERS ABOUT HTLV-1. 2448 01:17:43,089 --> 01:17:44,555 ABOUT HTLV-1. >> WE COLLECTED DRIED-UP 2449 01:17:44,557 --> 01:17:47,592 >> WE COLLECTED DRIED-UP BONE MARROW FROM THE FEMUR BONE. 2450 01:17:47,594 --> 01:17:49,961 BONE MARROW FROM THE FEMUR BONE. MORE THAN 100 SAMPLES 2451 01:17:49,963 --> 01:17:51,729 MORE THAN 100 SAMPLES WE COLLECTED. 2452 01:17:51,731 --> 01:17:52,597 WE COLLECTED. >> narrator: FROM THAT 2453 01:17:52,599 --> 01:17:53,965 >> narrator: FROM THAT BONE MARROW, HE WAS ABLE 2454 01:17:53,967 --> 01:17:56,567 BONE MARROW, HE WAS ABLE TO COLLECT DNA. 2455 01:17:56,569 --> 01:17:58,636 TO COLLECT DNA. HE FOUND HTLV-1 THAT LIKELY 2456 01:17:58,638 --> 01:18:01,072 HE FOUND HTLV-1 THAT LIKELY ORIGINATED IN ASIA WAS PRESENT 2457 01:18:01,074 --> 01:18:02,740 ORIGINATED IN ASIA WAS PRESENT IN SOUTH AMERICA IN ANCIENT 2458 01:18:02,742 --> 01:18:04,775 IN SOUTH AMERICA IN ANCIENT TIMES, AND IT HAD TO HAVE 2459 01:18:04,777 --> 01:18:05,977 TIMES, AND IT HAD TO HAVE GOTTEN THERE FROM CONTACT 2460 01:18:05,979 --> 01:18:07,845 GOTTEN THERE FROM CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO ALREADY CARRIED 2461 01:18:07,847 --> 01:18:09,947 WITH PEOPLE WHO ALREADY CARRIED THE VIRUS. 2462 01:18:09,949 --> 01:18:12,116 THE VIRUS. >> THIS VIRUS IS TRANSMISSIBLE 2463 01:18:12,118 --> 01:18:13,084 >> THIS VIRUS IS TRANSMISSIBLE THROUGH BREAST MILK, 2464 01:18:13,086 --> 01:18:14,352 THROUGH BREAST MILK, FROM MOTHER, 2465 01:18:14,354 --> 01:18:16,787 FROM MOTHER, AND ALSO FROM HUSBAND TO WIFE 2466 01:18:16,789 --> 01:18:18,256 AND ALSO FROM HUSBAND TO WIFE THROUGH SEMEN. 2467 01:18:18,258 --> 01:18:20,124 THROUGH SEMEN. SO THAT'S A VERY HARD EVIDENCE 2468 01:18:20,126 --> 01:18:22,760 SO THAT'S A VERY HARD EVIDENCE THAT I BELIEVE. 2469 01:18:22,762 --> 01:18:23,661 THAT I BELIEVE. >> THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE 2470 01:18:23,663 --> 01:18:26,530 >> THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT IN ORDER TO SAY 2471 01:18:26,532 --> 01:18:28,099 TO KNOW ABOUT IN ORDER TO SAY THIS IS REALLY A CONTACT 2472 01:18:28,101 --> 01:18:30,434 THIS IS REALLY A CONTACT AND NOT JUST AN ACCIDENTAL 2473 01:18:30,436 --> 01:18:32,703 AND NOT JUST AN ACCIDENTAL SIMILARITY. 2474 01:18:32,705 --> 01:18:33,537 SIMILARITY. >> narrator: DR. MEGGERS 2475 01:18:33,539 --> 01:18:35,006 >> narrator: DR. MEGGERS IS STILL WORKING TO PROVE 2476 01:18:35,008 --> 01:18:36,540 IS STILL WORKING TO PROVE TO MAINSTREAM ACADEMICS THAT 2477 01:18:36,542 --> 01:18:38,175 TO MAINSTREAM ACADEMICS THAT THERE WAS ANCIENT JAPANESE 2478 01:18:38,177 --> 01:18:40,945 THERE WAS ANCIENT JAPANESE CONTACT WITH THE VALDIVIANS. 2479 01:18:40,947 --> 01:18:43,447 CONTACT WITH THE VALDIVIANS. THE LOCALS IN VALDIVIA NEED LESS 2480 01:18:43,449 --> 01:18:45,650 THE LOCALS IN VALDIVIA NEED LESS CONVINCING. 2481 01:18:45,652 --> 01:18:46,884 CONVINCING. >> THE VALDIVIAN PEOPLE 2482 01:18:46,886 --> 01:18:49,687 >> THE VALDIVIAN PEOPLE REALLY DON'T THINK ABOUT WHAT 2483 01:18:49,689 --> 01:18:50,988 REALLY DON'T THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THEIR ORIGINS. 2484 01:18:50,990 --> 01:18:52,790 ARE THEIR ORIGINS. WHAT WE CAN SEE IF WE GO 2485 01:18:52,792 --> 01:18:54,558 WHAT WE CAN SEE IF WE GO OUTSIDE, WE'LL SEE THAT THEY 2486 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,961 OUTSIDE, WE'LL SEE THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF ASIAN 2487 01:18:56,963 --> 01:18:59,463 HAVE A LOT OF ASIAN CHARACTERISTICS ON THEIR FACES, 2488 01:18:59,465 --> 01:19:01,032 CHARACTERISTICS ON THEIR FACES, AND THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM 2489 01:19:01,034 --> 01:19:02,967 AND THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. 2490 01:19:02,969 --> 01:19:04,201 THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. >> narrator: AND IN THAT 2491 01:19:04,203 --> 01:19:05,870 >> narrator: AND IN THAT LIES THE KEY TO ULTIMATELY 2492 01:19:05,872 --> 01:19:07,805 LIES THE KEY TO ULTIMATELY DETERMINING WHICH OF ALL THESE 2493 01:19:07,807 --> 01:19:09,974 DETERMINING WHICH OF ALL THESE VOYAGES REALLY HAPPENED. 2494 01:19:09,976 --> 01:19:12,209 VOYAGES REALLY HAPPENED. IT'S NOT WHO HOLDS THE KEY 2495 01:19:12,211 --> 01:19:14,378 IT'S NOT WHO HOLDS THE KEY BUT WHO IS THE KEY. 2496 01:19:14,380 --> 01:19:15,579 BUT WHO IS THE KEY. >> SO IN EFFECT 2497 01:19:15,581 --> 01:19:16,414 >> SO IN EFFECT WITHIN OURSELVES, 2498 01:19:16,416 --> 01:19:20,151 WITHIN OURSELVES, WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ENCYCLOPEDIA. 2499 01:19:20,153 --> 01:19:22,486 WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ENCYCLOPEDIA. >> narrator: NOW DNA BECOMES 2500 01:19:22,488 --> 01:19:24,322 >> narrator: NOW DNA BECOMES INVALUABLE AS ONE THEORY OF 2501 01:19:24,324 --> 01:19:25,723 INVALUABLE AS ONE THEORY OF PRE-COLUMBIAN CONTACT 2502 01:19:25,725 --> 01:19:27,391 PRE-COLUMBIAN CONTACT HAS THE CHANCE TO BE PROVEN 2503 01:19:27,393 --> 01:19:29,026 HAS THE CHANCE TO BE PROVEN WITH THE ULTIMATE TEST 2504 01:19:29,028 --> 01:19:31,195 WITH THE ULTIMATE TEST BORN OF BONE AND BLOOD. 2505 01:19:31,197 --> 01:19:36,484 >> narrator: WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA? 2506 01:19:36,486 --> 01:19:39,120 DISCOVERED AMERICA? PERHAPS A LOT OF PEOPLE. 2507 01:19:39,122 --> 01:19:40,321 PERHAPS A LOT OF PEOPLE. CERTAINLY THE NATIVE AMERICANS 2508 01:19:40,323 --> 01:19:42,289 CERTAINLY THE NATIVE AMERICANS WERE HERE BEFORE COLUMBUS, 2509 01:19:42,291 --> 01:19:43,858 WERE HERE BEFORE COLUMBUS, THE VIKINGS TOO. 2510 01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:46,260 THE VIKINGS TOO. BUT WHO ELSE? 2511 01:19:46,262 --> 01:19:47,495 BUT WHO ELSE? THERE ARE EVEN MORE STORIES 2512 01:19:47,497 --> 01:19:48,729 THERE ARE EVEN MORE STORIES OF PRE-COLUMBIAN VOYAGES TO 2513 01:19:48,731 --> 01:19:50,631 OF PRE-COLUMBIAN VOYAGES TO AMERICA AND BACK THAN THE ONES 2514 01:19:50,633 --> 01:19:52,566 AMERICA AND BACK THAN THE ONES SHOWN ON THIS MAP. 2515 01:19:52,568 --> 01:19:54,168 SHOWN ON THIS MAP. THEY'RE OFTEN THE ONLY WAY 2516 01:19:54,170 --> 01:19:55,870 THEY'RE OFTEN THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN THINGS LIKE COCAINE 2517 01:19:55,872 --> 01:19:56,670 TO EXPLAIN THINGS LIKE COCAINE AND NICOTINE, 2518 01:19:56,672 --> 01:19:58,506 AND NICOTINE, NEW WORLD SUBSTANCES, 2519 01:19:58,508 --> 01:20:00,007 NEW WORLD SUBSTANCES, FOUND IN EGYPTIAN MUMMIES 2520 01:20:00,009 --> 01:20:02,009 FOUND IN EGYPTIAN MUMMIES FROM 1000 A.D., 2521 01:20:02,011 --> 01:20:03,511 FROM 1000 A.D., THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN COPPER 2522 01:20:03,513 --> 01:20:04,845 THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN COPPER OF A PURITY ONLY FOUND IN 2523 01:20:04,847 --> 01:20:06,847 OF A PURITY ONLY FOUND IN LAKE SUPERIOR BEING USED IN 2524 01:20:06,849 --> 01:20:08,516 LAKE SUPERIOR BEING USED IN MEDITERRANEAN BOATS AROUND 2525 01:20:08,518 --> 01:20:10,885 MEDITERRANEAN BOATS AROUND 1400 B.C. 2526 01:20:10,887 --> 01:20:13,220 1400 B.C. FROM THE CHINESE IN 1421 2527 01:20:13,222 --> 01:20:14,188 FROM THE CHINESE IN 1421 ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2528 01:20:14,190 --> 01:20:17,358 ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SOLUTREANS IN 22,000 B.C., 2529 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:18,893 THE SOLUTREANS IN 22,000 B.C., THERE IS AN ALTERNATE TIME LINE 2530 01:20:18,895 --> 01:20:20,327 THERE IS AN ALTERNATE TIME LINE OF HISTORY THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE 2531 01:20:20,329 --> 01:20:22,463 OF HISTORY THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE. 2532 01:20:22,465 --> 01:20:23,497 TO IGNORE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO START 2533 01:20:23,499 --> 01:20:24,732 >> I THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT HISTORY FROM SOME 2534 01:20:24,734 --> 01:20:26,400 LOOKING AT HISTORY FROM SOME DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. 2535 01:20:26,402 --> 01:20:28,235 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. WE NEED TO TAKE THE GLASSES OFF 2536 01:20:28,237 --> 01:20:29,737 WE NEED TO TAKE THE GLASSES OFF THAT SAY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT 2537 01:20:29,739 --> 01:20:30,738 THAT SAY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF 2538 01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:32,807 THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF COLUMBUS AND HIS SHIPS. 2539 01:20:32,809 --> 01:20:33,707 COLUMBUS AND HIS SHIPS. >> I THINK WE NEED TO BE 2540 01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:35,109 >> I THINK WE NEED TO BE OPEN-MINDED BECAUSE WE'RE 2541 01:20:35,111 --> 01:20:36,577 OPEN-MINDED BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING NEW DATA 2542 01:20:36,579 --> 01:20:37,645 CONSTANTLY HAVING NEW DATA COMING IN THAT CAN ALLOW US 2543 01:20:37,647 --> 01:20:38,579 COMING IN THAT CAN ALLOW US TO CHANGE OUR THEORIES 2544 01:20:38,581 --> 01:20:40,080 TO CHANGE OUR THEORIES AND OUR INTERPRETATIONS, 2545 01:20:40,082 --> 01:20:41,916 AND OUR INTERPRETATIONS, EVEN IN CASES WHERE 2546 01:20:41,918 --> 01:20:42,883 EVEN IN CASES WHERE THINGS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED 2547 01:20:42,885 --> 01:20:44,051 THINGS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT WE WOULDN'T 2548 01:20:44,053 --> 01:20:48,622 IN THE PAST THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED. 2549 01:20:48,624 --> 01:20:49,456 HAVE IMAGINED. >> narrator: THE ADVENT OF 2550 01:20:49,458 --> 01:20:50,858 >> narrator: THE ADVENT OF DNA TESTING IS ONE THING THAT 2551 01:20:50,860 --> 01:20:52,526 DNA TESTING IS ONE THING THAT HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO EITHER 2552 01:20:52,528 --> 01:20:54,061 HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO EITHER PUTTING TO REST OR PROMOTING 2553 01:20:54,063 --> 01:20:57,431 PUTTING TO REST OR PROMOTING NOTIONS OF NEW WORLD VOYAGES. 2554 01:20:57,433 --> 01:20:59,200 NOTIONS OF NEW WORLD VOYAGES. >> DNA TESTING CAN PRETTY 2555 01:20:59,202 --> 01:21:01,068 >> DNA TESTING CAN PRETTY CLEARLY GIVE US AN IDEA 2556 01:21:01,070 --> 01:21:03,170 CLEARLY GIVE US AN IDEA AS TO THE PEOPLES THAT WERE 2557 01:21:03,172 --> 01:21:07,575 AS TO THE PEOPLES THAT WERE IN THE AMERICAS BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2558 01:21:07,577 --> 01:21:08,475 IN THE AMERICAS BEFORE COLUMBUS. >> narrator: NOW THE SEARCH IS 2559 01:21:08,477 --> 01:21:10,411 >> narrator: NOW THE SEARCH IS ON FOR DNA EVIDENCE TO 2560 01:21:10,413 --> 01:21:12,213 ON FOR DNA EVIDENCE TO DEFINITIVELY PROVE ONE GROUP 2561 01:21:12,215 --> 01:21:14,348 DEFINITIVELY PROVE ONE GROUP DID MAKE IT OVER. 2562 01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:27,828 2010, CHILE, 518 YEARS AFTER COLUMBUS. 2563 01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:29,263 518 YEARS AFTER COLUMBUS. ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, 2564 01:21:29,265 --> 01:21:30,965 ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, BARACK OBAMA IS THE FIRST 2565 01:21:30,967 --> 01:21:32,533 BARACK OBAMA IS THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF 2566 01:21:32,535 --> 01:21:35,102 AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND A SERIES 2567 01:21:35,104 --> 01:21:36,704 THE UNITED STATES, AND A SERIES OF EARTHQUAKES ROCK HAITI, 2568 01:21:36,706 --> 01:21:38,739 OF EARTHQUAKES ROCK HAITI, JAPAN, AND TURKEY. 2569 01:21:38,741 --> 01:21:40,908 JAPAN, AND TURKEY. IN CHILE, THERE'S A DEVASTATING 2570 01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:43,577 IN CHILE, THERE'S A DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKE TOO, BUT ONLY MINIMAL 2571 01:21:43,579 --> 01:21:45,112 EARTHQUAKE TOO, BUT ONLY MINIMAL DAMAGE IS SUSTAINED ON THIS 2572 01:21:45,114 --> 01:21:46,714 DAMAGE IS SUSTAINED ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISLAND OFF 2573 01:21:46,716 --> 01:21:48,182 VERY IMPORTANT ISLAND OFF THE COUNTRY'S SOUTHERN COAST 2574 01:21:48,184 --> 01:21:49,617 THE COUNTRY'S SOUTHERN COAST WHERE ARCHAEOLOGIST 2575 01:21:49,619 --> 01:21:54,255 WHERE ARCHAEOLOGIST JOSE MIGUEL RAMIREZ IS HEADING. 2576 01:21:54,257 --> 01:21:55,589 JOSE MIGUEL RAMIREZ IS HEADING. >> I THINK IT WAS OTHER PEOPLE 2577 01:21:55,591 --> 01:21:57,625 >> I THINK IT WAS OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAME BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2578 01:21:57,627 --> 01:22:03,297 WHO CAME BEFORE COLUMBUS. WE KNOW IT WAS POLYNESIAN. 2579 01:22:03,299 --> 01:22:05,599 WE KNOW IT WAS POLYNESIAN. THEY WERE MOVING EASTWARD. 2580 01:22:05,601 --> 01:22:07,434 THEY WERE MOVING EASTWARD. AND THE ONLY POSSIBLE END 2581 01:22:07,436 --> 01:22:08,769 AND THE ONLY POSSIBLE END FOR THIS EXPLORATION WAS 2582 01:22:08,771 --> 01:22:12,273 FOR THIS EXPLORATION WAS THE SOUTH AMERICAN COASTLINE. 2583 01:22:12,275 --> 01:22:23,717 THIS IS MOCHA ISLAND. IT SEEMS A VERY GOOD LOCATION 2584 01:22:23,719 --> 01:22:25,185 IT SEEMS A VERY GOOD LOCATION FOR ANY POLYNESIAN COMING FROM 2585 01:22:25,187 --> 01:22:29,990 FOR ANY POLYNESIAN COMING FROM CENTRAL POLYNESIA. 2586 01:22:29,992 --> 01:22:31,492 CENTRAL POLYNESIA. WE ARE GOING TO THE SITE WHERE 2587 01:22:31,494 --> 01:22:33,193 WE ARE GOING TO THE SITE WHERE WE FOUND THE FIRST EVIDENCE 2588 01:22:33,195 --> 01:22:35,629 WE FOUND THE FIRST EVIDENCE WITH HUMAN BONES WITH 2589 01:22:35,631 --> 01:22:38,432 WITH HUMAN BONES WITH POLYNESIAN TRAITS. 2590 01:22:38,434 --> 01:22:39,600 POLYNESIAN TRAITS. >> narrator: BETWEEN 1992 2591 01:22:39,602 --> 01:22:41,535 >> narrator: BETWEEN 1992 AND 2003, EXCAVATIONS ON 2592 01:22:41,537 --> 01:22:43,337 AND 2003, EXCAVATIONS ON MOCHA ISLAND BY A TEAM OF 2593 01:22:43,339 --> 01:22:44,905 MOCHA ISLAND BY A TEAM OF ARCHAEOLOGISTS UNEARTHED 2594 01:22:44,907 --> 01:22:46,707 ARCHAEOLOGISTS UNEARTHED COMPLETE SKULLS, FEMURS, 2595 01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:48,375 COMPLETE SKULLS, FEMURS, AND OTHER BONES THAT DATE BACK 2596 01:22:48,377 --> 01:22:51,345 AND OTHER BONES THAT DATE BACK TO 1000 TO 1300 A.D., 2597 01:22:51,347 --> 01:22:52,546 TO 1000 TO 1300 A.D., BASED ON CHARACTERISTICS OF 2598 01:22:52,548 --> 01:22:54,848 BASED ON CHARACTERISTICS OF CERAMICS FOUND WITH THEM. 2599 01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:55,983 CERAMICS FOUND WITH THEM. THE BONES WERE ANALYZED 2600 01:22:55,985 --> 01:22:58,185 THE BONES WERE ANALYZED IN DETAIL IN 2008. 2601 01:22:58,187 --> 01:22:59,687 IN DETAIL IN 2008. THREE OF THE SKULLS APPEARED 2602 01:22:59,689 --> 01:23:02,489 THREE OF THE SKULLS APPEARED TO HAVE POLYNESIAN FEATURES. 2603 01:23:02,491 --> 01:23:03,657 TO HAVE POLYNESIAN FEATURES. >> BONES TELL US A LOT 2604 01:23:03,659 --> 01:23:05,192 >> BONES TELL US A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE. 2605 01:23:05,194 --> 01:23:06,193 ABOUT PEOPLE. THE FIRST EVIDENCE FOR ANY 2606 01:23:06,195 --> 01:23:07,261 THE FIRST EVIDENCE FOR ANY POLYNESIAN IS THE SHAPE 2607 01:23:07,263 --> 01:23:08,262 POLYNESIAN IS THE SHAPE OF THE SKULL. 2608 01:23:08,264 --> 01:23:09,496 OF THE SKULL. IF YOU LOOK AT THEM FROM 2609 01:23:09,498 --> 01:23:11,231 IF YOU LOOK AT THEM FROM BEHIND, THEY ARE PENTAGONAL 2610 01:23:11,233 --> 01:23:12,900 BEHIND, THEY ARE PENTAGONAL IN SHAPE, AND THERE IS OTHER 2611 01:23:12,902 --> 01:23:14,968 IN SHAPE, AND THERE IS OTHER TRAITS LIKE THE ROCKER JAW. 2612 01:23:14,970 --> 01:23:16,236 TRAITS LIKE THE ROCKER JAW. THAT'S A VERY CLASSIC 2613 01:23:16,238 --> 01:23:18,205 THAT'S A VERY CLASSIC NOT-AMERICAN TRAIT. 2614 01:23:18,207 --> 01:23:19,740 NOT-AMERICAN TRAIT. >> narrator: A ROCKER JAW IS 2615 01:23:19,742 --> 01:23:21,275 >> narrator: A ROCKER JAW IS TERMED THAT BECAUSE WHEN PLACED 2616 01:23:21,277 --> 01:23:23,410 TERMED THAT BECAUSE WHEN PLACED ON A TABLE, A CONTINUOUS CURVE 2617 01:23:23,412 --> 01:23:24,878 ON A TABLE, A CONTINUOUS CURVE ALLOWS IT TO ROCK BACK 2618 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,380 ALLOWS IT TO ROCK BACK AND FORTH. 2619 01:23:26,382 --> 01:23:27,514 AND FORTH. THE JAWBONE OF SOMEONE OF 2620 01:23:27,516 --> 01:23:29,516 THE JAWBONE OF SOMEONE OF ASIAN OR EUROPEAN DESCENT 2621 01:23:29,518 --> 01:23:31,218 ASIAN OR EUROPEAN DESCENT WOULD NOT DO THAT. 2622 01:23:31,220 --> 01:23:32,986 WOULD NOT DO THAT. ALSO IMPORTANT, 2623 01:23:32,988 --> 01:23:34,421 ALSO IMPORTANT, ONE OF THE SKULLS WAS VERY 2624 01:23:34,423 --> 01:23:35,589 ONE OF THE SKULLS WAS VERY SIMILAR TO A SKULL FROM 2625 01:23:35,591 --> 01:23:36,757 SIMILAR TO A SKULL FROM THE CHANNEL ISLANDS OFF THE 2626 01:23:36,759 --> 01:23:38,926 THE CHANNEL ISLANDS OFF THE COAST OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, 2627 01:23:38,928 --> 01:23:40,027 COAST OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, ISLANDS INHABITED BY 2628 01:23:40,029 --> 01:23:42,229 ISLANDS INHABITED BY THE CHUMASH PEOPLE AND WHERE 2629 01:23:42,231 --> 01:23:43,230 THE CHUMASH PEOPLE AND WHERE A POLYNESIAN CONNECTION WAS 2630 01:23:43,232 --> 01:23:46,900 A POLYNESIAN CONNECTION WAS ALREADY BEING INVESTIGATED. 2631 01:23:46,902 --> 01:23:48,435 ALREADY BEING INVESTIGATED. >> THE TRAITS THAT WE SEE AMONG 2632 01:23:48,437 --> 01:23:50,037 >> THE TRAITS THAT WE SEE AMONG THE CHUMASH THAT MAY HAVE 2633 01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:51,438 THE CHUMASH THAT MAY HAVE ORIGINATED FROM CONTACT WITH 2634 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,540 ORIGINATED FROM CONTACT WITH POLYNESIA: THE SEWN-PLANK BOAT, 2635 01:23:53,542 --> 01:23:56,243 POLYNESIA: THE SEWN-PLANK BOAT, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A STYLE 2636 01:23:56,245 --> 01:23:57,778 AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A STYLE OF COMPOUND FISHHOOK. 2637 01:23:57,780 --> 01:23:59,413 OF COMPOUND FISHHOOK. >> FISHHOOKS AND THE LINGUISTIC 2638 01:23:59,415 --> 01:24:01,081 >> FISHHOOKS AND THE LINGUISTIC EVIDENCE TOGETHER, THAT IS 2639 01:24:01,083 --> 01:24:02,783 EVIDENCE TOGETHER, THAT IS A VERY, VERY STRONG CASE. 2640 01:24:02,785 --> 01:24:04,051 A VERY, VERY STRONG CASE. IF IT WAS JUST ONE OR THE OTHER, 2641 01:24:04,053 --> 01:24:05,619 IF IT WAS JUST ONE OR THE OTHER, IT WOULDN'T BE AS STRONG. 2642 01:24:05,621 --> 01:24:06,954 IT WOULDN'T BE AS STRONG. >> narrator: WITHIN THE CHUMASH 2643 01:24:06,956 --> 01:24:09,323 >> narrator: WITHIN THE CHUMASH TRIBE, DNA TESTING IS ALREADY 2644 01:24:09,325 --> 01:24:10,891 TRIBE, DNA TESTING IS ALREADY GOING ON TO DETERMINE THE ORIGIN 2645 01:24:10,893 --> 01:24:12,559 GOING ON TO DETERMINE THE ORIGIN OF ITS PEOPLE. 2646 01:24:12,561 --> 01:24:14,261 OF ITS PEOPLE. >> WE CAN SEE THROUGH THE STUDY 2647 01:24:14,263 --> 01:24:15,963 >> WE CAN SEE THROUGH THE STUDY OF MITOCHONDRIAL DNA THAT 2648 01:24:15,965 --> 01:24:17,965 OF MITOCHONDRIAL DNA THAT CHUMASH INDIANS HAD DIFFERENT 2649 01:24:17,967 --> 01:24:19,266 CHUMASH INDIANS HAD DIFFERENT POPULATION ORIGINS THAN 2650 01:24:19,268 --> 01:24:20,534 POPULATION ORIGINS THAN THE PEOPLE LIVING TO THE SOUTH 2651 01:24:20,536 --> 01:24:21,869 THE PEOPLE LIVING TO THE SOUTH OF THE CHUMASH, THE GABRIELINO 2652 01:24:21,871 --> 01:24:22,769 OF THE CHUMASH, THE GABRIELINO INDIANS. 2653 01:24:22,771 --> 01:24:23,704 INDIANS. THE CHUMASH ARE ALSO DIFFERENT 2654 01:24:23,706 --> 01:24:24,872 THE CHUMASH ARE ALSO DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE LIVING INLAND 2655 01:24:24,874 --> 01:24:26,907 THAN THE PEOPLE LIVING INLAND FROM THEM IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY 2656 01:24:26,909 --> 01:24:27,875 FROM THEM IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY IN TERMS OF THEIR POPULATION 2657 01:24:27,877 --> 01:24:29,409 IN TERMS OF THEIR POPULATION ORIGINS. 2658 01:24:29,411 --> 01:24:30,711 ORIGINS. >> narrator: THE DNA HAS YET 2659 01:24:30,713 --> 01:24:31,979 >> narrator: THE DNA HAS YET TO PROVE A POLYNESIAN 2660 01:24:31,981 --> 01:24:33,280 TO PROVE A POLYNESIAN CONNECTION. 2661 01:24:33,282 --> 01:24:35,082 CONNECTION. >> THERE'S A SPECIFIC MARKER IN 2662 01:24:35,084 --> 01:24:36,283 >> THERE'S A SPECIFIC MARKER IN MITOCHONDRIAL DNA FOUND 2663 01:24:36,285 --> 01:24:37,584 MITOCHONDRIAL DNA FOUND AMONG POLYNESIANS THAT SET THEM 2664 01:24:37,586 --> 01:24:38,785 AMONG POLYNESIANS THAT SET THEM APART FROM THE REST OF 2665 01:24:38,787 --> 01:24:39,753 APART FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD. 2666 01:24:39,755 --> 01:24:41,288 THE WORLD. >> narrator: THAT MARKER IS WHAT 2667 01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:42,456 >> narrator: THAT MARKER IS WHAT RESEARCHERS HERE ARE HOPING 2668 01:24:42,458 --> 01:24:43,824 RESEARCHERS HERE ARE HOPING TO FIND IN NEW BONES 2669 01:24:43,826 --> 01:24:46,093 TO FIND IN NEW BONES COLLECTED FROM MOCHA ISLAND. 2670 01:24:46,095 --> 01:24:47,895 COLLECTED FROM MOCHA ISLAND. WHILE BONES FOUND IN THE '90s 2671 01:24:47,897 --> 01:24:49,963 WHILE BONES FOUND IN THE '90s HAD POLYNESIAN TRAITS, 2672 01:24:49,965 --> 01:24:51,498 HAD POLYNESIAN TRAITS, DNA TESTING OF THEM COULDN'T 2673 01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:53,300 DNA TESTING OF THEM COULDN'T BE COMPLETED BECAUSE SCIENTISTS 2674 01:24:53,302 --> 01:24:58,405 BE COMPLETED BECAUSE SCIENTISTS COULDN'T GET USABLE SAMPLES. 2675 01:24:58,407 --> 01:25:00,407 COULDN'T GET USABLE SAMPLES. >> WE NEED TO DIG FOR MORE 2676 01:25:00,409 --> 01:25:01,441 >> WE NEED TO DIG FOR MORE FRESH BONES. 2677 01:25:01,443 --> 01:25:02,476 FRESH BONES. THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE, 2678 01:25:02,478 --> 01:25:06,280 THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE, THE NEXT STEP IN THIS RESEARCH. 2679 01:25:06,282 --> 01:25:08,015 THE NEXT STEP IN THIS RESEARCH. THIS LITTLE PLACE, THIS LITTLE 2680 01:25:08,017 --> 01:25:09,349 THIS LITTLE PLACE, THIS LITTLE MOUND HERE IS THE PLACE WHERE 2681 01:25:09,351 --> 01:25:11,418 MOUND HERE IS THE PLACE WHERE THEY SETTLED DOWN ABOUT 2682 01:25:11,420 --> 01:25:12,986 THEY SETTLED DOWN ABOUT 1,000 YEARS AGO. 2683 01:25:12,988 --> 01:25:14,821 1,000 YEARS AGO. 90% OF THE SITE IS STILL HERE, 2684 01:25:14,823 --> 01:25:16,323 90% OF THE SITE IS STILL HERE, NOT DISCOVERED, SO THERE'S MANY, 2685 01:25:16,325 --> 01:25:18,058 NOT DISCOVERED, SO THERE'S MANY, MANY ARTIFACTS AND DEPOSITS 2686 01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:19,660 MANY ARTIFACTS AND DEPOSITS WITHOUT ANY DISTURBANCE, 2687 01:25:19,662 --> 01:25:21,061 WITHOUT ANY DISTURBANCE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL TO 2688 01:25:21,063 --> 01:25:23,130 SO THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL TO DISCOVER, TO FIND MORE HUMAN 2689 01:25:23,132 --> 01:25:25,132 DISCOVER, TO FIND MORE HUMAN BONES, TO TAKE DNA TO PROVE 2690 01:25:25,134 --> 01:25:26,166 BONES, TO TAKE DNA TO PROVE IT'S POLYNESIAN. 2691 01:25:26,168 --> 01:25:28,835 IT'S POLYNESIAN. DNA IS THE FINAL TEST. 2692 01:25:28,837 --> 01:25:29,703 DNA IS THE FINAL TEST. >> narrator: THE STUDY OF 2693 01:25:29,705 --> 01:25:31,038 >> narrator: THE STUDY OF NEW BONES IS EXPECTED TO GET 2694 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,007 NEW BONES IS EXPECTED TO GET UNDER WAY BY THE END OF 2010. 2695 01:25:34,009 --> 01:25:35,542 UNDER WAY BY THE END OF 2010. RAMIREZ BELIEVES THEIR FINDINGS 2696 01:25:35,544 --> 01:25:36,610 RAMIREZ BELIEVES THEIR FINDINGS WILL ONLY CONFIRM WHAT 2697 01:25:36,612 --> 01:25:38,145 WILL ONLY CONFIRM WHAT HE SAYS A GROWING NUMBER 2698 01:25:38,147 --> 01:25:43,016 HE SAYS A GROWING NUMBER OF SCIENTISTS ALREADY BELIEVE. 2699 01:25:43,018 --> 01:25:44,151 OF SCIENTISTS ALREADY BELIEVE. >> WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT 2700 01:25:44,153 --> 01:25:45,852 >> WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT POLYNESIANS WERE CAPABLE OF 2701 01:25:45,854 --> 01:25:47,854 POLYNESIANS WERE CAPABLE OF DISCOVERING THESE REMOTE SPECKS 2702 01:25:47,856 --> 01:25:50,190 DISCOVERING THESE REMOTE SPECKS OF LAND THROUGHOUT THE PACIFIC, 2703 01:25:50,192 --> 01:25:51,725 OF LAND THROUGHOUT THE PACIFIC, HOW IS IT THEY COULD POSSIBLY 2704 01:25:51,727 --> 01:25:54,027 HOW IS IT THEY COULD POSSIBLY MISS THESE BIG ISLANDS 2705 01:25:54,029 --> 01:25:55,228 MISS THESE BIG ISLANDS OF NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA, 2706 01:25:55,230 --> 01:25:58,832 OF NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA, THESE ENORMOUS LANDMASSES? 2707 01:25:58,834 --> 01:26:00,200 THESE ENORMOUS LANDMASSES? >> I BELIEVE THAT POLYNESIANS 2708 01:26:00,202 --> 01:26:01,702 >> I BELIEVE THAT POLYNESIANS MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA 2709 01:26:01,704 --> 01:26:03,170 MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA SOME TIME BETWEEN THE PERIOD 2710 01:26:03,172 --> 01:26:05,706 SOME TIME BETWEEN THE PERIOD OF A.D. 1000 TO 1200. 2711 01:26:05,708 --> 01:26:07,607 OF A.D. 1000 TO 1200. >> I THINK WE'RE ABSOLUTELY SURE 2712 01:26:07,609 --> 01:26:09,142 >> I THINK WE'RE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE POLYNESIANS MADE IT TO 2713 01:26:09,144 --> 01:26:10,744 THAT THE POLYNESIANS MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2714 01:26:10,746 --> 01:26:12,079 SOUTH AMERICA BEFORE COLUMBUS. I MEAN, I THINK THE ODDS OF THAT 2715 01:26:12,081 --> 01:26:15,082 I MEAN, I THINK THE ODDS OF THAT ARE IN THE 99.9999 RANGE. 2716 01:26:15,084 --> 01:26:17,017 ARE IN THE 99.9999 RANGE. IT'S ALMOST FLAT-EARTH LEVEL 2717 01:26:17,019 --> 01:26:19,152 IT'S ALMOST FLAT-EARTH LEVEL TO DISBELIEVE THAT POLYNESIANS 2718 01:26:19,154 --> 01:26:20,754 TO DISBELIEVE THAT POLYNESIANS MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA. 2719 01:26:20,756 --> 01:26:21,788 MADE IT TO SOUTH AMERICA. >> THAT'S THE JOB OF 2720 01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:22,689 >> THAT'S THE JOB OF ARCHAEOLOGISTS. 2721 01:26:22,691 --> 01:26:24,124 ARCHAEOLOGISTS. WE NEED TO SPREAD WHAT WE FIND 2722 01:26:24,126 --> 01:26:25,659 WE NEED TO SPREAD WHAT WE FIND MORE WIDELY. 2723 01:26:25,661 --> 01:26:26,593 MORE WIDELY. WE NEED TO TELL PEOPLE MORE 2724 01:26:26,595 --> 01:26:27,761 WE NEED TO TELL PEOPLE MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING, 2725 01:26:27,763 --> 01:26:28,595 ABOUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING, AND WE NEED TO REWRITE THOSE 2726 01:26:28,597 --> 01:26:29,529 AND WE NEED TO REWRITE THOSE HISTORY BOOKS AND GET IT 2727 01:26:29,531 --> 01:26:31,565 HISTORY BOOKS AND GET IT OUT THERE. 2728 01:26:31,567 --> 01:26:33,033 OUT THERE. LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE 2729 01:26:33,035 --> 01:26:34,401 LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE PROBABLY STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW 2730 01:26:34,403 --> 01:26:35,769 PROBABLY STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE VIKINGS GOT HERE BEFORE 2731 01:26:35,771 --> 01:26:37,404 THAT THE VIKINGS GOT HERE BEFORE COLUMBUS. 2732 01:26:37,406 --> 01:26:38,205 COLUMBUS. >> narrator: WHAT MIGHT 2733 01:26:38,207 --> 01:26:39,706 >> narrator: WHAT MIGHT ULTIMATELY PROVE TO BE THE NEXT 2734 01:26:39,708 --> 01:26:41,241 ULTIMATELY PROVE TO BE THE NEXT L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS-LIKE 2735 01:26:41,243 --> 01:26:42,943 L'ANSE AUX MEADOWS-LIKE DISCOVERY COULD BE UNEARTHED 2736 01:26:42,945 --> 01:26:44,611 DISCOVERY COULD BE UNEARTHED AT ANY TIME. 2737 01:26:44,613 --> 01:26:45,545 AT ANY TIME. THERE ARE NO LESS THAN 2738 01:26:45,547 --> 01:26:47,414 THERE ARE NO LESS THAN A DOZEN CULTURES WITH TALES 2739 01:26:47,416 --> 01:26:49,416 A DOZEN CULTURES WITH TALES OF EARLY VOYAGES AT SEA, 2740 01:26:49,418 --> 01:26:51,251 OF EARLY VOYAGES AT SEA, VOYAGES SAID TO HAVE CULMINATED 2741 01:26:51,253 --> 01:26:53,954 VOYAGES SAID TO HAVE CULMINATED IN THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA. 2742 01:26:53,956 --> 01:26:55,789 IN THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA. >> THE EXCITEMENT OF ARCHAEOLOGY 2743 01:26:55,791 --> 01:26:57,190 >> THE EXCITEMENT OF ARCHAEOLOGY IS THAT WE ARE OFTEN SURPRISED 2744 01:26:57,192 --> 01:26:59,059 IS THAT WE ARE OFTEN SURPRISED AND THAT OUR IDEAS CHANGE 2745 01:26:59,061 --> 01:26:59,960 AND THAT OUR IDEAS CHANGE BECAUSE OF NEW THINGS WE LEARN, 2746 01:26:59,962 --> 01:27:01,261 BECAUSE OF NEW THINGS WE LEARN, AND THAT'S GOOD. 2747 01:27:01,263 --> 01:27:03,196 AND THAT'S GOOD. >> THE WORLD'S GREATEST MUSEUM 2748 01:27:03,198 --> 01:27:05,432 >> THE WORLD'S GREATEST MUSEUM IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEAS, 2749 01:27:05,434 --> 01:27:07,434 IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEAS, WITH SOME ESTIMATED 3 MILLION 2750 01:27:07,436 --> 01:27:09,102 WITH SOME ESTIMATED 3 MILLION OR MORE SHIPWRECKS DOWN THERE, 2751 01:27:09,104 --> 01:27:11,238 OR MORE SHIPWRECKS DOWN THERE, THAT ALL SORTS OF STORIES REMAIN 2752 01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:12,439 THAT ALL SORTS OF STORIES REMAIN TO BE WRITTEN, 2753 01:27:12,441 --> 01:27:14,241 TO BE WRITTEN, THAT NEW CHAPTERS, FORGOTTEN 2754 01:27:14,243 --> 01:27:16,042 THAT NEW CHAPTERS, FORGOTTEN PAGES OF THE HISTORY BOOKS 2755 01:27:16,044 --> 01:27:17,277 PAGES OF THE HISTORY BOOKS WILL BE PUT BACK 2756 01:27:17,279 --> 01:27:18,478 WILL BE PUT BACK THAT TELL US OF OUR TIME 2757 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:20,113 THAT TELL US OF OUR TIME ON THIS PLANET, THAT SPEAK TO 2758 01:27:20,115 --> 01:27:21,448 ON THIS PLANET, THAT SPEAK TO WHO WE ARE AS A SPECIES 2759 01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:23,416 WHO WE ARE AS A SPECIES AND WHAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF. 2760 01:27:23,418 --> 01:27:25,685 AND WHAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF. >> narrator: ON LAND AND BY SEA, 2761 01:27:25,687 --> 01:27:27,020 >> narrator: ON LAND AND BY SEA, THE EARLIEST EXPLORERS CAME 2762 01:27:27,022 --> 01:27:28,922 THE EARLIEST EXPLORERS CAME TO THE NEW WORLD. 2763 01:27:28,924 --> 01:27:30,857 TO THE NEW WORLD. THE PAST IS LITTERED WITH CLUES 2764 01:27:30,859 --> 01:27:32,259 THE PAST IS LITTERED WITH CLUES AS TO WHO THEY WERE, 2765 01:27:32,261 --> 01:27:33,493 AS TO WHO THEY WERE, WHEN THEY CAME, 2766 01:27:33,495 --> 01:27:35,328 WHEN THEY CAME, AND WHERE THEY WENT. 2767 01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:37,497 AND WHERE THEY WENT. NOW SCIENCE HAS THE ABILITY 2768 01:27:37,499 --> 01:27:38,698 NOW SCIENCE HAS THE ABILITY TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ABOUT 2769 01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:40,300 TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ABOUT THE TRUE STORY OF AMERICA'S 2770 01:27:40,302 --> 01:27:42,469 THE TRUE STORY OF AMERICA'S EARLIEST PIONEERS. 2771 01:27:42,471 --> 01:27:44,604 EARLIEST PIONEERS. IT MAY ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME 2772 01:27:44,606 --> 01:27:45,739 IT MAY ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE QUESTION OF 2773 01:27:45,741 --> 01:27:47,807 BEFORE THE QUESTION OF WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA 2774 01:27:47,809 --> 01:27:49,476 WHO REALLY DISCOVERED AMERICA TURNS INTO A QUESTION 2775 01:27:49,478 --> 01:27:51,478 TURNS INTO A QUESTION OF WHO DIDN'T? 277368

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