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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,960 Go on! Yeah, yeah, yeah! Go on! 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,520 Like that? 3 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:07,840 WHOOPING AND LAUGHING 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,120 Look at me, I'm covered! 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,600 'In the most remote places on Earth, 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,840 'people depend on their animals for survival. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,480 'A few years ago, I moved to a farm in the Welsh hills 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,120 'I've become fascinated by the bond between shepherd and flock. 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:35,520 'In Afghanistan and Peru, I explored this relationship's ancient origins.' 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,760 I could have been standing here 500 years ago and witnessed 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,600 exactly that same scene. 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,640 'Now I want to look at the future of herding.' 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,480 There's some here Bob, just on the right. 14 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:51,160 'In Australia, animals are raised on an epic scale.' 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,880 They seem quite keen to get off the truck. 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,840 'Sheep are a global commodity. 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,600 'And scientists are fast becoming the new shepherds.' 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,120 In my mind animal husbandry should be something that's done 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,560 as naturally as possible, 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,280 with really as little intervention as possible. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,320 'Can the close connection between herder and herded 22 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:18,280 'survive in the modern world?' 23 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:34,600 I'm about 700 or 800 kilometres north of Perth, 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,680 heading out into the bush. 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,640 It is a harsh landscape. 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,840 It's quite alien. 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,040 It's so dry, it's rocky, it's dusty, it's hot. 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,120 There are snakes everywhere, there are spiders that can put 29 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,400 you in hospital, or in the morgue, and it just doesn't look like 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,160 a land that could support human life, sheep, anything really. 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,560 But somehow it does. 32 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,800 Despite this barren landscape, 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,680 Australia has become one of the biggest sheep producers in the world 34 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,520 I want to understand how, against the odds, 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,880 shepherds can thrive in a land so different to my farm back home. 36 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,200 I'm on my way to Meka, one of the largest sheep stations in Australia. 37 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,280 It covers nearly a million acres, that's about the size of Kent, 38 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,080 and is more than 200 miles from the nearest big town. 39 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,320 This promises to be shepherding on a scale beyond anything I've seen, 40 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,760 but something seems to be missing. 41 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,720 What's extraordinary is we have been on the farm property, 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,320 we've crossed over 30 kilometres back 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,440 and I haven't seen a single sheep yet. 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,040 Men in caps and shorts, it's all looking very promising. 45 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Good afternoon, nice to see you. Kerry Wark. 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,840 Hi, Kerry, nice to see you. 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,840 Thanks for rustling up some sunshine for us, 48 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,640 it was getting pretty cold in the UK when we left. 49 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:15,240 Plenty of that. We were hoping is wasn't going to be too severe, 50 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,320 we've had a couple of 42s this last week. 51 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,920 Yeah, we could probably manage without that. 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,360 The station is run by manager Bob Grinham, 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,160 a West Australian stockman 54 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 who's spent his whole working life in the bush. 55 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,160 And it's owned by businessman Kerry Wark. 56 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Incredibly, the huge property is run by a team of just five people, 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,480 looking after up to 25,000 sheep. 58 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,880 It's going to be a fascinating five days or so. 59 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,160 I think it will be, going to be interesting. 60 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,440 I'm going to be learning a lot, I can feel it. 61 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Stations like Meka are part 62 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,800 of Australia's long shepherding history. 63 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,320 The British brought sheep to the country more than 200 years ago. 64 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,080 Wool was the perfect export from such a remote colony. 65 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,040 It wouldn't perish on the long journey back to the heart of Empire. 66 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,520 Early pioneers began to push inland, 67 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,080 driving their flocks into the wild outback. 68 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,600 Meka's wool clothed imperial soldiers in two world wars. 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,280 And the peak of the industry came in the 1950s, with the massive 70 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:31,160 demand for wool from America at outbreak of the Korean War. 71 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,160 Everybody went to war in a cold country 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,920 and they needed woollen uniforms, 73 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,400 and the price of wool here went to £1 a pound, 74 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,880 and that was three to four times what it had ever been before and if you 75 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,760 were in the wool business in 1951/2 that's when fortunes were made. 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,960 We're talking a property like this could have netted, 77 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,400 in today's money terms, something like 10 million a year. 78 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,280 Nobody could believe it, 79 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:09,080 and the community was all full of imported new cars, Cadillacs, 80 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,200 Rollers were all over the place. It was just... 81 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,480 Australia had a boost like you'd never believe in '51. 82 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,040 But after the boom times came the crash. 83 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,440 In the 1970s and '80s, we started swapping our woolly jumpers 84 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,200 for polyester fleeces, and the price of wool plummeted. 85 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,320 Many stations had to adapt to survive. 86 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,600 Meka has been forced to switch from wool to meat. 87 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,400 I've come at a busy time of year. 88 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,280 There's a few thousand sheep 89 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:47,960 to be gathered and processed for export. 90 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,800 So everything we have driven across 91 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,800 since we left the homestead is the farm, basically. 92 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,640 It's all part of this sheep station. 93 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,520 You can drive for 100Ks to the north or the northeast 94 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,880 and you're still on the stations, and 30k south. 95 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,520 It's just unimaginable. 96 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,400 Meka is divided into 40 paddocks, 97 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,000 vast fenced areas that hold up to 2,000 sheep. 98 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,840 At the corner of each paddock is a smaller field, called a trap, 99 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:28,040 with drinking troughs that Bob uses to corral the sheep. 100 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,440 This morning we'll shake the traps 101 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,400 and see what number of sheep come in. 102 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,880 It may be nothing or not many, or they could all be there. Right. 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,360 Bob only rounds up his sheep about twice a year, 104 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,040 so this is a rare chance to get a good look at them. 105 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,120 I was beginning to wonder whether there were any sheep on this station 106 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,360 I think that's the thing about being in an area that is so huge 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,280 with quite thick, impenetrable bush. 108 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,920 And here's the proof, there are hundreds of these animals here, 109 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,800 thousands of these animals here 110 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,480 but they managed to keep themselves hidden for most of the day. 111 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Where do you want this one. On there? 112 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,440 On this one here. Oh, sorry. 113 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,160 It's always really eye-opening to come to another person's farm 114 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,680 and see their set-up, 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,480 and it's one of those very difficult things where 116 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,600 you always feel in the way, because everyone has such a good system, 117 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,560 and if you don't know that system you're just sort of standing there 118 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,880 holding a big hurdle and going, "I don't know what to do with this." 119 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Are these an Australian breed of sheep? 120 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,360 No, they're originally from South Africa. Right. 121 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,200 They're so different from our little sort of woolly Welsh mountains. 122 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,800 Yeah. That's right, yeah. 123 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,200 These sheep are Damaras, a desert breed 124 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,160 that thrives in the arid scrubland of the Australian outback. 125 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,200 To survive in these dry landscapes, the Damara has developed an unusual feature. 126 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,720 You can see very quickly that Damara have got these fat tails, 127 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,840 and look at that, that's just a big fat store. 128 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,840 Very similar fat to what's in a camel's hump. 129 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,640 It supplements their... 130 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,920 They sustain their well-being with that fat in their tail. 131 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,880 With most of their fat stored in one place, 132 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,320 the Damaras' meat is very lean, unlike our sheep back home 133 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,640 that store fat all over their body, 134 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,080 giving us the fatty meat that we love. 135 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,960 They seem quite keen to get off the truck! 136 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,240 Compared to my little Welsh mountain sheep, these are like wild animals. 137 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,320 This helps them to cope with such a harsh environment. 138 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,800 But it makes them an absolute nightmare to handle. 139 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,240 Go on! 140 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,360 Go on! Go on! 141 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,240 I've never known sheep so willing to go backwards. 142 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Come on, girls, it's only a gate. 143 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Bob divides the flock, 144 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,960 separating off the male lambs that will be going to market. 145 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:47,560 I don't even dare talk to Bob, 146 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,280 because you've got to concentrate every second. 147 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Once they're sorted, all the animals are treated for parasites and worms, 148 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,320 a process known as drenching. 149 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,120 If we didn't do this by the time we muster next year in April, 150 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,360 half these ewes could be gone. Really? 151 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:10,680 Steady, big boy. 152 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,120 Just give him two shots, that one. 153 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,840 Two shots? Yeah, because of his weight. 154 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,640 'With so many sheep to deal with, Bob has had to innovate.' 155 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:28,360 I know a few people back at home who would love one of these hydraulic conveyor belts. 156 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,800 They're great, aren't they? It actually takes the hard work out 157 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,240 cos these sheep will injure you in a race. Right. 158 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,040 If you get hit from behind by a 100 kilo ram, 159 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,040 it's not very pleasant if it gets you between the shoulder blades. No. 160 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,280 Although this still feels pretty traditional, shepherding is now 161 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,760 a billion dollar industry, run by entrepreneurs like Kerry. 162 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,160 He made his fortune in the oil business, 163 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,480 but had always dreamed of owning a sheep station. 164 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,720 After the price of wool collapsed, Meka was struggling, 165 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,520 so Kerry bought it and took on Bob as his manager. 166 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Together, they've restocked Meka with Damara sheep, 167 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:10,640 and now supply the growing meat market in the Middle East. 168 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,680 It's big business. 169 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,280 The Middle East has become quite wealthy with oil money, 170 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,360 they've had expanding numbers of people 171 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,920 and they don't have the ability, due to lack of pasture 172 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,400 or range lands, to increase the numbers of sheep, 173 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,960 fat tails, in that area. 174 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,840 So we saw the opportunity to take a breed of fat tail 175 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,680 and to export it to the Middle East. 176 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,040 The fat tails were fetching a premium, 177 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,840 so if we could produce them in a low-cost operating environment 178 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,360 then we would have a winning formula, and we did take a risk. 179 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,680 I'm getting the feeling, even at this very early stage, 180 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:50,920 that we're at a kind of crossroads. 181 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,000 A country that used to make all its money from wool 182 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000 is now clearly not able to do that any more 183 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,520 and I suppose the more mobile-minded farmers, 184 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,360 instead of thinking that their livelihood is over, 185 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,080 they are thinking about how they can make this land work 186 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,240 and what breeds of sheep will allow them to do that, 187 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,120 keeping this great Australian tradition 188 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,600 of sheep and sheep stations. 189 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,680 It's Day Two. 190 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,800 I want to learn about the challenges Bob and his team face 191 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,480 raising livestock in one of the toughest environments on Earth. 192 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,160 In this parched landscape, water is everything. 193 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,960 At the corner of each paddock is a windmill that pumps water 194 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,880 from deep underground into stone drinking troughs. 195 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Twice a week, Bob and his team drive the length and breadth 196 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,640 of the property to check everything is working properly. 197 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Today, I'm helping out. 198 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,040 There is nothing easy about farming in this land, is there? 199 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,240 No, not really. Everything is sort of quite physical. 200 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,200 It is hot, it's dusty and I guess you can't take anything for granted? 201 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,720 No, that's right, yeah. 202 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,040 Nearly there. It's quite warm in the wind, 203 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,800 but it's not unpleasant, you could work all day today. 204 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,040 When it's 43 degrees at eight o'clock in the morning, 205 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,360 you know you've got to be home by lunchtime otherwise 206 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,920 your feet will start to burn through the soles of your boots. 207 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,440 That's usually time to go home. 208 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,160 We always say if we can work with the land, you're OK, 209 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,800 but if you disrespect the country, 210 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,640 it tends to teach you a lesson and puts you back in your place. 211 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,520 We're only a speck on the whole landscape, 212 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,240 so we get put in your spot pretty smartly. 213 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Generally the rule of thumb is, if anybody asks you, 214 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,680 "Do you think it's clean enough?" 215 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,840 I say taste the water and if they say, "I can't drink that", 216 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,480 I say, "Well, keep cleaning." 217 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,800 Happy with that? I'd drink that. Yeah, right-oh. It's very good. 218 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,320 If I was a sheep, I'd drink that water. 219 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Good. HE LAUGHS 220 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,800 This land is in an endless cycle of drought, flash flood and wildfire. 221 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,760 The last drought was the most severe for a century 222 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,520 and lasted for ten years. 223 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,040 Thousands of farmers gave up in despair, 224 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,640 and those that stuck with it saw their incomes more than halved. 225 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,320 The stress proved too great for some. 226 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,600 Suicide in pastoral farming areas is not uncommon, 227 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,680 where it just gets too much. 228 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,240 A lot of these places have been four generations, 229 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,520 and when you see people losing everything they've worked for 230 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,040 in their life, and everything they believe in, 231 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,280 it would be very depressing, I imagine, for a lot of people. 232 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,360 Given these enormous challenges, what is it that keeps you here? 233 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Just tell me what it is that is so entrancing 234 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,720 about this place and this way of life? 235 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,200 I think it's just the open spaces. 236 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,040 It's the freedom, I suppose, you're away from all the stuff in town. 237 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,960 Nobody judges you out here. 238 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,800 It wouldn't matter if you were an alcoholic, 239 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,240 or you smoke a bit of mull, or you did this, or you did that, 240 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,600 as long as you're honest and you work hard. 241 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,160 People just accept you for who you are, generally, out in the bush. 242 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,240 A big storm blows through in the night, 243 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,560 soaking the land with much-needed rain. 244 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Is this broken there, or is it right down? 245 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,920 'One of the windmills has stopped pumping. 246 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,560 'Without water, the sheep will only last a few days. 247 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,320 'So Bob and one of his team get to work.' 248 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,640 Ron's exceptionally handy with the mechanical side of it. 249 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,120 Much as he hates to admit it, he's good at it. 250 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 I'm a little bit big to climb too high. 251 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,240 Oh, Ron. 252 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Only maybe in a high wind. 253 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Well, you can see where he's climbed up here, all the bent rails. 254 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,080 LAUGHTER 255 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,640 The more time I spend here, 256 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,640 the more I'm growing to like Bob and the other guys. 257 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,720 I really respect their passion for this way of life. 258 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,880 And I've nothing but admiration for the way they cope 259 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,000 with working in such a remote place. 260 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,920 They have to be able to do everything because I suppose 261 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,360 you can't just phone a plumber or someone to fix a windmill and say, 262 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,200 "Could you just nip out?", because there is no nipping, you know? 263 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,280 They're 100 miles from the nearest anywhere and, you know, 264 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,600 there's something I think sort of, as I say, very admirable 265 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,000 about people who are that capable. 266 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,960 Who can know their livestock, and look after them, 267 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,800 and produce great sheep, but also understand how the weather works, 268 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,680 understand what to do with their land when it's flooding or when there's drought. 269 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,440 But also just be able to fix an electric fence 270 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,800 or re-put a battery in a car if it's gone flat. 271 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:25,320 These are proper multi-taskers, and people say men can't multi-task, 272 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,360 these ones can, and they're quite good at it. 273 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,880 But despite all their resourcefulness, there's one problem 274 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,640 that is threatening to overwhelm everything at Meka. 275 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,720 A plague of feral dogs is savaging the flock. 276 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,600 I just hate seeing our animals being decimated like that. 277 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,680 It's generally just the younger dogs, one to three-year olds. 278 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,680 They're like a fox on steroids, they just kill and eat anything. 279 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,840 We've actually found a ewe weener with its liver removed, 280 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,160 and it was obviously alive while it was happening, 281 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,440 with the amount of blood that was on the ground. 282 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,600 They'd pulled the liver out and eaten that and just left the sheep. 283 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,560 How much stock do you think you lose through dogs? 284 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,360 It could be up to 40% out of a paddy. 285 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:23,000 I mean, 40%, that's got to be your profit margin plus, gone. 286 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,520 And loss of production too. 287 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,880 Those ewe lambs that are gone won't have lambs, 288 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,560 and the ewes that are gone won't make any more lambs. 289 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,600 You've got to replace those ewes again, 290 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,800 so it's not just a loss of your sale, 291 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,520 it's the actual replacement of your sheep. 292 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,520 Bob is trying to fight back using a poison called 1080, 293 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,320 which is derived from a native plant. 294 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,240 Indigenous wildlife has a natural immunity, 295 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,600 but it is lethal to introduced species like these feral dogs. 296 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,200 Nobody really enjoys killing things, I don't think. I don't anyway. 297 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,040 It's only more for the protection of the animals. 298 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,880 You feel a lot of anger and hatred towards the dogs 299 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,640 when you see your sheep torn to shreds and still alive. 300 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,040 But then you can feel a little bit for the dog, 301 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,440 because it's not really his fault either, you know? 302 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,040 It's just where we're at, I suppose. It's just life. 303 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,920 And if you don't do it, what's the reality? 304 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,080 If we don't get on top of this dog problem, 305 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,240 in the next 12 months we'll be finished here. 306 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,600 Bob and his team throw out 35,000 poison baits a year 307 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,400 but the dogs are still winning. 308 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,120 It's estimated that feral dogs cause £45 million worth of damage 309 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,040 to livestock a year in Australia. 310 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,440 The numbers are just shocking. 311 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,320 With losses on this scale, 312 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Meka will struggle to survive in the cut-throat global market. 313 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,760 It's the morning of the big muster, 314 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,320 a day I've been really looking forward to. 315 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Bob needs to round up 1,000 sheep from one of his paddocks 316 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,120 to get them ready for export. 317 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:14,120 A plane will help us to spot them from the air. Bob briefs the team. 318 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,400 OK, what's happening today, we're doing a paddy called Wargon Paddy. 319 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,760 We'll probably fly about 10Ks to the east and there's a windmill there called Evans. 320 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,640 We'll have the two Kerrys and Ron on the north side of the river 321 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,960 and Trish and Cass, Neil on the south side of the river. 322 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,120 That's where we'll start. 323 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,080 It's sort of extraordinary that you need six bikes 324 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,440 and an aeroplane just to gather sheep from one paddock, 325 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,400 but when the paddock is ten kilometres long 326 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,160 by four kilometres wide, 327 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,520 that's why you need all this machinery and man power. 328 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,920 Bob and I take to the air. 329 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,240 We fly back and forth across the paddock, 330 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,080 looking for mobs of sheep so we can direct the bikes to round them up. 331 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,880 So before people had planes and motorbikes, 332 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,800 how on earth did you start mustering sheep on land this size? 333 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,200 Yeah, on horseback, they would spread out with quite a number of horses 334 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,800 and work in the same direction we are, probably yelling 335 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,280 and hawing or whatever just to get the sheep to move on down. 336 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Unimaginable how it must have been done with horses. 337 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,360 It must have taken months and months and months to cover this land. 338 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:03,920 A constant team of people out on horses looking for sheep. 339 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,240 Riding the bikes through this terrain is a skilled and dangerous business. 340 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,320 If you come off, it's a long way to the nearest casualty department. 341 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,400 And there are stories of deadly snakes getting caught up in the wheels. 342 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,640 For once, I feel safer in the air! 343 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,960 We've done about four or five flights over the top end of the paddock. 344 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,320 I've seen two kangaroos. No sheep yet. 345 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,960 Finally, I spot some of the flock. 346 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Some here, Bob, just on the right, just below us. 347 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,240 Just off our right wing now, probably 200 or 300 metres. 348 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,680 I may just need to swing it round to the left a little bit there. 349 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,720 RADIO: 'All right.' 350 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Do you think they've got them all? 351 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,600 I think we've pretty well got most of them now. 352 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,960 You can see the homestead in the distance there, Kate, 353 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,920 that's where we've got to go back to. 354 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,840 Yeah, it's quite a way. 355 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,920 With the sheep gathered into one large group, the plane's job is done. 356 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,160 The next stage happens on the ground. 357 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,560 Now the plan is to move them back about a 10 kilometre run 358 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,760 and the idea is just to persuade them slowly down the road 359 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,680 to one of the paddocks right by the homestead. 360 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,440 This is a pretty magnificent feeling, I have to say, 361 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,480 being out in the Australian bush. 362 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,520 It's got to be 35 degrees. Sheep, quad bike, dog, 363 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,160 you're not going to get a happier girl than that! 364 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240 And there's something just lovely about being behind a herd of sheep. 365 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,640 It's great, yeah. It is for us when you see all the lambs here. 366 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,200 When you're bringing them in and there's no lambs, you know, 367 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,000 like the dogs have killed them... 368 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,880 Well, also because you see your sheep so rarely, 369 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,400 it must be quite a good sight to know that they're out there. 370 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,640 Yeah, and producing good lambs. Yeah. 371 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:55,920 It's a very well worked out system, this, and clearly this is a team 372 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,960 that have been working together for a long time. 373 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,000 They almost seem to work telepathically. 374 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,240 So although everyone's got radios, everyone knows the sheep so well 375 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,680 and reads them and knows exactly where to go when. 376 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,840 But managing this sheer number of sheep takes an extraordinary expertise. 377 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,640 I'm in awe, really. 378 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,200 The new Middle Eastern market for fat-tailed Damaras has offered 379 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,840 stations like Meka a lifeline. 380 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,920 But it's come with a catch live export. 381 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,160 Buyers in the Middle East prefer to slaughter their own animals. 382 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,680 So all these sheep will be sent live across the Indian Ocean 383 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,240 in specially-designed ships. 384 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440 It's a controversial business. 385 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,880 Many people believe it's cruel and want it banned. 386 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,520 There is no doubt, that 25, 30 years ago when this trade started, 387 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,960 it was not conducted very well. 388 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,120 The first ships that took sheep to the Middle East were very poor. 389 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,640 Water wasn't provided adequately, feed was spasmodic, 390 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,960 there were problems with crowding and smothering of sheep, 391 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320 ventilation was inadequate, and so on. 392 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,760 But what's happened is the Australian government 393 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,000 recognised those problems, they introduced a shipping protocol 394 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,160 and a whole new breed of vessels has come out. 395 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,160 All the pens are a regulation size. 396 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,440 There's a minimum size, there's a maximum size. 397 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,920 The stock have water all the time through special feeders 398 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,840 and they have pellet feed the whole time. 399 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,240 And they have forced ventilation to all corners of the ship, 400 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,120 so the whole situation's changed. 401 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,480 Where in those days they might have seen three, 402 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080 and in some very bad cases up to 10% losses, 403 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,800 today we're looking at 0.2, 0.3% losses. 404 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,600 So do you feel comfortable about the business you're in? 405 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,680 I feel comfortable about the shipping that we're going to. 406 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,920 One of the problems that exists, and I don't know how you combat it, 407 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,000 is that they do sell out to a domestic market 408 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,720 where residents of major cities, Cairo or wherever, 409 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,400 take sheep and they take them home for ceremonial purposes 410 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,720 where they kill the sheep at home and barbecue them 411 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,920 for the gathered family and they just don't do it very well. 412 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,400 They're not sheep people. 413 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,280 And the fact that some sheep get sold into that market, 414 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,920 yes, I am concerned. 415 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,280 I mean, do the animal activists have a point, 416 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,360 that there's surely better ways of supplying the Middle East 417 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,360 with meat, sending them as carcasses? 418 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,640 The market doesn't want carcasses, so that's not an option yet. 419 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,440 Will it take carcasses? 420 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,040 We believe it will one day, but it doesn't take them today 421 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,520 in the quantities of the meat that's going into that country. 422 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,840 They prefer live meat over carcasses at this point in time. 423 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,800 'The future of Meka may be uncertain, but Bob and Kerry 424 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,240 'are determined to overcome the latest challenge to face 425 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,480 'the sheep-herding business in Western Australia.' 426 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,440 So do you feel relatively optimistic about the future, 427 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,920 even though there are all the issues with the live meat trade? 428 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Yeah, I think so, 429 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,200 if you think positive and just keep pushing forward, 430 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000 you know, one door closes and generally another one opens. 431 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,440 But if you go negative, you tend to stall and flounder a bit. 432 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,120 Yeah, I know it's hard to stay optimistic in this industry, 433 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,840 but, yeah, you've got to! 434 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,280 THEY LAUGH 435 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,920 Positive! The power of positive thinking. 436 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,320 It's just kind of overwhelming and awe-inspiring at the same time 437 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,040 just to handle this number of sheep in this size of land. 438 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,880 One of life's moments really, where you sort of get a flash of insight 439 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:55,800 into why people like Bob and Ron and Kerry just love this land so much. 440 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960 There is something just extraordinarily exhilarating 441 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,320 about being out in all this space. And it feels so untamed, 442 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,560 and yet there you are trying somehow to be part of it 443 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,640 and it's really compelling. 444 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,200 And you can see why Bob says he'll go sometimes to town 445 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,800 and after four or five days he's just desperate to get back here. 446 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,560 And I get that. I mean, it's hot, it's dusty, it's inhospitable, 447 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,240 and this is an exhausting life and I've done five days of it, 448 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,680 Bob's done 40 years. 449 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,120 But I can see why he loves it. 450 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720 As I drive back to Perth, 451 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,720 I learn that live export is in the news again. 452 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,160 NEWS REPORT: 'Australia's live export trade is facing yet another crisis 453 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920 'with thousands of sheep exported to the Middle East 454 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,400 'apparently clubbed, stabbed and buried alive.' 455 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,200 Footage of Australian sheep and cattle being inhumanely slaughtered 456 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,160 in foreign abattoirs has been broadcast on Australian TV 457 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,560 and the animal rights groups are renewing their calls 458 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,720 for a complete ban. 459 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,760 I want to find out more about this business for myself, 460 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,400 so after days of phone calls, we've got permission to film at one of 461 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,000 Western Australia's biggest live sheep exporters, Emanuel Exports. 462 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,000 Livestock manager Mike Curnick shows me where the sheep are kept 463 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,560 before being shipped abroad. 464 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,080 On a normal day we'd probably receive 25, 30,000 sheep. 465 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,320 Just the numbers here, that's the thing I can't get my head around. 466 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,800 It's just the sheer numbers that everyone is dealing with. 467 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360 If the boats take 60 or 70,000 sheep. 468 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,280 The idea is to get the sheep in here and acclimatize them to the boats 469 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,280 and the pallets and the conditions onboard. 470 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400 There's a requirement that they've got to be here 471 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,400 for six or seven days before they can be loaded. 472 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,760 And it also gives us a chance to put them into their lines 473 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,760 and their weights and their types and prepare them for travel, basically. 474 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,240 'The sheep will be checked by a government vet 475 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,040 'before making the two to three week journey to the Middle East.' 476 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,760 To the uninitiated eye, this looks like a very crowded shed. 477 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,360 It may look crowded, but to us it looks un-crowded. 478 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,240 Like here, they're quite content, there's a lot of room. 479 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,200 If you actually walk through there, there'd be a lot of room in there. 480 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,160 They're continually fed pellets, 481 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,720 that's done automatically through these augers. 482 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,640 So they've got feed and water 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 483 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,880 'I wasn't too sure what to expect here, but the sheep look relaxed 484 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,480 'and well-treated.' 485 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:46,000 There is a battle going on currently between the live export trade 486 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,240 and local animal rights activists. 487 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,080 What would you say to them? 488 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,240 You're a livestock man, do you feel comfortable about what you do? 489 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,440 I feel very comfortable about what I do. 490 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560 From time to time, things may not go according to plan, 491 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,880 but that happens in human life and all walks of life. 492 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,320 Everybody's got their opinion. 493 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,080 I think the more you know about it, the more you try and learn 494 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,360 about it and understand it. 495 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,200 And if you do have a different point of view, that's fine. 496 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320 But I think sometimes you've got to come up with some alternatives 497 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,840 as well to solve the problems that you perceive are there. 498 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480 You know, nothing pleases us more than to see the sheep walk out 499 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,880 of here in 100% healthy order and condition. 500 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,440 'In 2012, Australia exported nearly 2.5 million live sheep 501 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,160 'worth almost a quarter of billion pounds. 502 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,280 'Farmers say it's become the backbone of the rural economy.' 503 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,320 If something did happen to the live sheep trade, 504 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040 it would be the end of the sheep farming industry, 505 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,040 particularly in Western Australia where we've got a small population 506 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360 and a high sheep population. 507 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,400 But I think that while we continue to improve it, 508 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680 I think there's a chance it'll keep going for a long time. 509 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,560 I'm in a bit of a quandary. 510 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:09,400 My gut tells me that I would rather not see the live export of any animal. 511 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,680 You know, in an ideal world, sheep, cattle would be dispatched 512 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160 in local, small abattoirs close to farms. 513 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,480 But, you know, we don't live in an ideal world 514 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,440 and it seems that in Australia that really isn't an option. 515 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,800 Maybe the answer is that if there is a market in places 516 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,200 like the Middle East and other countries for live animals, 517 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,440 it's better that they come from places like Australia 518 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,320 where welfare standards are high, where regulations are tight and in place. 519 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,840 Because if they don't come from here, 520 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880 presumably they're going to look elsewhere to other countries 521 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,800 who can produce live animals, but perhaps not with the same 522 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,840 high standards that they produce in countries like Australia. 523 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,360 If it were banned here, perhaps that would be doing a worse job 524 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,200 for animal welfare than by not banning it. 525 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,880 There doesn't seem to be any simple answer, really. 526 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,240 The Middle East isn't the only place with a growing demand for sheep. 527 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:16,760 Across the developing world, rising standards of living 528 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,560 mean more people are eating meat. 529 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,800 What was once an occasional treat is becoming an everyday meal. 530 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000 And global population as a whole is growing fast. 531 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,400 It's predicted that by 2050, 532 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,840 there will be two billion more mouths to feed. 533 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Australia, with its huge empty spaces, 534 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,880 is well-placed to supply these new markets. 535 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,320 But if it's going to keep pace with demand, 536 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,080 it's going to have to innovate. 537 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,680 I'm travelling to South Australia, 538 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,120 the country's agricultural heartland, to a breeding centre 539 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,920 120 miles south east of Adelaide. 540 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,560 I'm going to meet a farmer who is pioneering genetic technology 541 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,400 that could keep Australia at the vanguard of the sheep industry. 542 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,600 I do feel slightly uncomfortable with this. 543 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,320 Like any of these sort of techniques, 544 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,640 we tend to think of in a very negative way 545 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680 and I'm afraid I would join that camp. 546 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,320 So I need to really keep an open mind because I don't know enough about them. 547 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,560 I don't know enough about these techniques, 548 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:33,600 I don't know really what the plus sides are, as well as the disadvantages. 549 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,680 So it's going to be a kind of interesting, but I suspect quite challenging few days. 550 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,080 'This is Andrew Michael. 551 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,680 'He's on a mission to create a flock of super sheep.' 552 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,320 So is it all happening in here? 553 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,240 Yeah, it is, it's underway and going beautifully. 554 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680 It's an unnerving scene inside the shed. 555 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,880 I've never seen sheep being handled like this before. 556 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,720 This is a cutting-edge technique called embryo transfer. 557 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,240 These sedated ewes are the pick of Andrew's flock. 558 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,520 Two weeks ago, they were given natural hormones 559 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,080 to make them release multiple eggs. 560 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:27,320 Then they were artificially inseminated with semen from Andrew's top rams. 561 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,000 Now they're about to have their eggs removed. 562 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,960 Those ewes will have thousands and thousands of eggs in their lifetime. 563 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,000 What we're doing is just making one little period where we maximise 564 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,160 the number of eggs released and we're actually fertilizing those at one time. 565 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,000 So our best genetics, the best sheep available, 566 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,480 could instead of giving us eight lambs, could give us 100 lambs. 567 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,800 So, financially, that makes sense. 568 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,880 Yes, and it gives us a bigger pool of genetics to select from. 569 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,320 We do our breeding on a pyramid system. 570 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,440 So we're trying to maximise the group of sheep at the top. 571 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,200 So the more that we can advance our genetics, the more everyone wins. 572 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,960 'In a neighbouring shed, semen is being collected 573 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,040 'for the next round of artificial insemination. 574 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,960 'Just like the alpaca I saw in Peru, an artificial vagina 575 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,000 'will trick the male into thinking he's mating with a female.' 576 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,800 So the semen will basically be collected in that glass receptacle? 577 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,800 The ram will ejaculate into there and it will all fall down into that. 578 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,080 OK, so the rams will come in, see four pretty girls, 579 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,200 get a whiff of the right sort of pheromones... 580 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,840 The right hormones and all that, yeah. 581 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,320 "I know what my job is and I'm about to do it!" 582 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,360 THEY LAUGH 583 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,360 And then you'll just interrupt proceedings at the exact right moment. 584 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,680 The exact right moment! 585 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,640 OK, Helen, I'll let you get on with it. 586 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,120 He obviously likes the look of those girls. 587 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,280 He just can't decide which one! 588 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,280 Maybe he doesn't like an audience. 589 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,280 That was it? So he's ejaculated into that. Yes. Really? 590 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,400 Once he works, it's quite quick. 591 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,880 Suddenly all the men in my life are feeling really good about themselves! 592 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,440 THEY LAUGH 593 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,240 So you can see the ejaculation. 594 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,840 He's given about a mil, about 0.8 of a mil there. 595 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,760 So that's got to be kept in the temperature obviously 596 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,280 and out of daylight. So that's him done. 597 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,880 That's him done. There's not a lot of romance in it, is there?! 598 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,400 No, not a lot of sweet talk. 599 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,640 'Back with the ewes next door, veterinary surgeon Margie Trowbridge 600 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,520 'is removing their eggs using a process known as flushing.' 601 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,680 So this is the uterus coming out now? 602 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,320 This is her uterus coming out. Two horns of the uterus. 603 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,440 She's an adult ewe, she's lambed before, so it's a nice robust size. 604 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,600 What we're going to do is push fluid from the top in down through there, 605 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,400 through this catheter into a dish. 606 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,080 So we now aim to put this specialised flushing solution... 607 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,840 So any eggs will come out with that solution into the Petri dish? Yes. 608 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,600 So now I understand the term flushing. Flushing, exactly. 609 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,440 It is literally that. It is. 610 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,760 Is there any resistance to this sort of procedure, 611 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,440 are there people that are against it? 612 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,840 A lot of people don't understand it. 613 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,120 I guess there'd be people who would think a ewe 614 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,640 shouldn't be subjected to surgery. 615 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,440 It is progress and you can't stop it. 616 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,640 And I guess there would be some that would not approve of what we do, 617 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,400 even collecting ram semen or inseminating ewes. 618 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080 They think it's unnatural and it shouldn't be done. 619 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,920 But it's the human condition, isn't it? 620 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,240 To keep progressing and survive. 621 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,880 And the ewes, once they've had this procedure, 622 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,240 can they then carry on with an entirely natural breeding life? 623 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,000 Absolutely. Absolutely. These girls will... 624 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,080 Andrew will probably join them again very soon, 625 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,840 and they'll have a lamb within their normal breeding time. 626 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,120 Probably within the same season as they would without having undergone this procedure. 627 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,520 So you're happy? That went well? Yes, I'm happy. 628 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,000 She's started to recover from her anaesthetic. Yeah, so she's good. 629 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,680 She's good? She's good to go. 630 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,800 So the eggs that have been flushed from that ewe 631 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,600 into the Petri dish are now in this lab with Bill. 632 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,880 So there's an embryo there that's fertilized. 633 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,760 Can I have a peep? Yeah, sure. 634 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,920 Wow. That's extraordinary! 635 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,160 So I am looking at the very, very, very early development of a lamb? 636 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,960 Yes. That's right, that's a lamb. 637 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,680 I'm just going to take it out. 638 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,520 How many eggs is sort of the average that you might find 639 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,160 that are fertilised? 640 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,440 I think you'd say six or seven per ewe on average, 641 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,040 but there's a great variation. 642 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,360 You can see we've had a 16 643 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,400 and we've had one ewe that gave us four unfertilized. 644 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,720 So it's not a failsafe method. It won't work sometimes? 645 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:24,520 Yeah. It's nature, you know. It's what happens. 646 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,760 But, you know, with proper care and management 647 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,880 and a bit of adjustment to programmes, 648 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520 you can get a cost-effective result for your client. 649 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,760 But nature always has the last say. 650 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,120 Next morning, at Andrew's farm, the fertilized eggs are implanted 651 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,720 into surrogate mothers, genetically lower quality ewes that, 652 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,920 in five months' time, will give birth to top quality lambs. 653 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,480 Hup! Hup! 654 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,880 Round you go. 655 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,640 Andrew has the conviction of a man who has seen the future. 656 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,640 He's creating the ultimate, off-the-shelf designer sheep 657 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,880 and revolutionizing the sheep-breeding industry. 658 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,600 If we can identify a sheep in here that's got the genes 659 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,800 that are going to be the best in the world, 660 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:29,880 the difference that can make to the industry is just so important. 661 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,200 For many years, Andrew has been measuring and recording 662 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,920 the vital statistics of his sheep, creating a detailed database. 663 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,360 Which ones have the leanest meat, the healthiest fats, 664 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,640 produce the best wool. 665 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,480 Thing is, I can see the surface on this ram has got the right wool structures. 666 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,080 If you run your finger on that, Kate, and feel how soft it is. 667 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,400 KATE GASPS I'd wear that right now. 668 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,960 That would do into a beautiful yarn for any sort of fabric. 669 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,000 We could do knickers and bras in this, it's that good! 670 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,400 KATE LAUGHS 671 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,560 You can do the knitting! 672 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,160 'DNA testing has moved things on significantly. 673 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,320 'Andrew is now able to guarantee clients that by buying semen 674 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,320 'or fertilized embryos from his animals, 675 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,760 'they're getting exactly the genes needed to improve their flock.' 676 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,160 All they need to be able to tell you everything, from how quickly 677 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,040 the sheep might grow, what the wool might be that it produces, 678 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,920 whether it's got omega-3s in the meat, its zinc levels, everything. 679 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,440 It'll tell us 51 different traits. That's extraordinary. 680 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,680 So from that blood, 681 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,080 I'll be able to tell you how much fleece it will have 682 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,680 and what micron it will be. Everything. Without even shearing it. 683 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,440 God, it is cutting edge, isn't it? 684 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,760 I mean, it has the potential to totally change the whole flock in Australia. 685 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,480 Yeah. 686 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480 Using embryo transfer, this does seem to be a quick 687 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,480 and effective way of producing sheep with the best meat and wool. 688 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,920 Incredibly, Andrew's also breeding animals which have more efficient stomachs. 689 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,200 Food conversion is the one untapped thing within our industry. 690 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480 Food conversion is basically the amount of food in, 691 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,800 for the production of meat. 692 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,160 The variations are as big as 22 kilograms of food in, 693 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,080 to one kilogram of meat. 694 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,360 The average is seven to nine kilograms but there's been animals 695 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,520 tested down to 2.8 kilograms of food in for one kilogram of meat. 696 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,360 So that has two advantages, one is that we produce a lot more meat, 697 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,120 but we eat a lot less feed, so we can then utilise our pastures 698 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,840 and our environment better but produce more meat. 699 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,480 It's really the way of the future. 700 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,000 Food conversion is the key challenge facing the global meat industry. 701 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,960 Compared to vegetable proteins, like soya and lentils, 702 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,680 producing meat requires a huge amount of land, food, 703 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,920 energy and water, all of which are already in short supply. 704 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,160 Get around, get right around. 705 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,320 But if we can breed animals that use food more efficiently, 706 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,960 then perhaps there is a more sustainable future for meat production. 707 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,520 I wasn't sure what to expect from these last couple of days. 708 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,840 I don't know whether it was going to be something that made me 709 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,560 feel uncomfortable because, in my mind, animal husbandry should be 710 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,840 something that's done as naturally as possible 711 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,080 with really as little intervention as possible 712 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,920 and actually what I've learnt is that what Andrew 713 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,440 and breeders like him are doing is working with nature. 714 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,520 They're speeding the process up 715 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,320 by using things like artificial insemination and embryo transfer 716 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,640 but the process is still natural, they're still looking at animals 717 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,320 and saying that's a good one and if we put it 718 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,400 with another good one, we're going to get good offspring 719 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,640 and that's what I do and much smaller scale farmers do 720 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,040 to ensure that we have better animals. 721 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,200 They're just doing it in a way that's more scientific 722 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,680 and more provable. 723 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,200 It's really impressive and it does feel like 724 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,480 if there is to be a future in farming and a future 725 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,880 in food production that is going to be meaningful 726 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,760 for the world population, 727 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,760 this is the sort of thing that we have to think about 728 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,760 adopting on a much bigger scale. 729 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,400 This might just be the start of what we have to do 730 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,040 to meet demand for food. 731 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,880 Scientists are pushing the boundaries of what's possible in agriculture, 732 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,320 and shaping the way we'll farm in the future. 733 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,200 Using genetic modification, scientists are able to create 734 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,000 new strains of plants and animals that will grow more quickly, 735 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,160 produce more food, in tougher conditions, using fewer resources. 736 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,120 It's up to us to decide whether we go down this path, 737 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,520 or choose another way. 738 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,040 My travels among herders are nearly over. 739 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,960 But before I leave Australia, 740 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,440 there's one last place I want to visit, 741 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,080 a farm where they have a very different approach 742 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,840 to the rearing of animals. 743 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,520 Hello, hi. Good morning. 744 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,680 Hello, nice to meet you. 745 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,080 Nice to meet you, I'm Kate. 746 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,000 Nice to meet you, Kate, I'm Michelle. 747 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,640 This is Phil and Michelle Lally. 748 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,960 What a beautiful farm. Your garden is amazing. 749 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,280 Oh, thank you. And it's a very beautiful part of Australia. 750 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,640 Thank you, we love it here. 751 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,880 Their company, Savannah Lambs, 752 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,880 works almost 2,000 acres of mixed farm in the Clare Valley 753 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,960 and it regularly wins prizes 754 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,720 for producing some of the finest meat in Australia. 755 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,400 Phil trained as a winemaker 756 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,880 and spent years travelling the world making fine Pinot Noirs, 757 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,640 before returning home to take over the family farm. 758 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,920 But he has an unusual approach to human-sheep interaction. 759 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,200 If we walk gently towards them, you go two or three metres. 760 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,720 Then they'll probably think about turning around. 761 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,760 One's turned here, you stick an arm out this way 762 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,920 and the rest of them will turn around. 763 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,160 They like their space, 764 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,800 they also know that if you maintain that distance 765 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,760 and we maintain that distance then everybody's happy. 766 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,920 It's a nice quiet process and they're willing to oblige. 767 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,360 It's making sure that that process of handling those animals 768 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,320 is as stress free and as calm and as quiet as possible. 769 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,440 We don't use motorbikes and we don't use dogs 770 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,200 and we don't use any sort of electric prod or any way 771 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,720 of moving an animal or forcing an animal at all. 772 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,360 It's about providing them with an exit point 773 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,040 and standing in the right place at the right time 774 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,000 and when an animal feels comfortable it's not stressed. 775 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,560 You seem, even at this very early stage of meeting you, 776 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,480 to be a strange mix of thinking about trying to produce 777 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,240 the very best product you can, but also if I may say it, 778 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:10,080 being kind of slightly hippy dippy about things as well. 779 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,920 Yeah, I guess now we've come to understand and realise 780 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,640 that taking that hippy dippy approach 781 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,000 is commercially a benefit for us 782 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,760 and it's something we realised years ago that why not let the animals 783 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,640 do what they want to do and work that into our system, 784 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,920 rather than forcing. 785 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,360 It was a big changing moment for us 786 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,680 in the way we handle our animals. 787 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,640 A lot of hungry mouths to feed. I know. 788 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,680 When we have our normal 40 in here, it's so loud. 789 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,920 Key to their philosophy is hand rearing lambs 790 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,240 that have become separated from their mothers in the field, 791 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,800 something that doesn't often happen on vast Australian farms. 792 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,040 Touch and care and love and noises that their mums make, 793 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,680 we make back to them. 794 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,360 Right. So we've sat and observed the girls out in the paddock 795 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,480 and they sort of do a bit of a "mmm mmm" noise 796 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320 and we do that with them and they instantly calm down. 797 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,840 Sometimes they get born and mum might get scared or flighty 798 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,960 and run off or they'll get separated and this little fellow 799 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,160 might have been out there screaming his lungs out all night. 800 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,400 So the first thing he wants is just a cuddle, 801 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,560 because he's just a little kid really, he's just like a baby. 802 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,120 And do you find it hard when you hand rear them, 803 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,160 particularly in that very hands-on way 804 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,080 that they find it difficult to integrate back into the flock, 805 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,520 to effectively go and be a real sheep again? 806 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,920 I think that these guys have got their own character 807 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,280 because they've been allowed to be independent, 808 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,640 so they haven't had mum explaining to them what they have to do. 809 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,840 When they go out into the paddock with the others, 810 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,040 they become born leaders. 811 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680 They help us teaching the other lambs, 812 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,400 through what we call their sheep speak, that we're OK, 813 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,600 we're not going to hurt them. 814 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,200 Cuddling is important here. 815 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,000 The Lallys are convinced that sheep respond to human contact, 816 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,880 but there is sound business sense too. 817 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,600 A happy lamb will give you a tenderer and more juicy product 818 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,640 so we make sure that in their natural environments we look after them 819 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,720 like we do and at the end of the day from a commercial point of view, 820 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,720 the product's better, people get a better product. 821 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,320 They might pay a little bit more 822 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,480 but we're certainly not triple the price or anything like that. 823 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,960 Underpinning everything is good animal husbandry. 824 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,800 They're not as hippy dippy as they might look. 825 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,480 They buy in the very best stock, 826 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,000 and have invested heavily in state-of-the-art farm infrastructure. 827 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,760 Also, they take great care over what they feed their flock. 828 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,160 At key stages in their development, 829 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920 these sheep are given a specially blended food 830 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,080 that allows their stomach lining to develop a larger surface area. 831 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,640 This creates highly efficient sheep that can convert food into meat 832 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,360 and wool at an extraordinary rate. 833 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,280 We look at it like an elite athlete, 834 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,480 where to perform at the highest level 835 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,880 you need to have the right intake, the right ingredients, 836 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,480 the right food to sustain high energy. 837 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,320 With a lamb and our sheep, they're ruminant animals, 838 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,080 so they have four stomachs 839 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,360 and they have the ability for those stomachs to be developed and become 840 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,400 more efficient at food conversion which means when they get fed 841 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,400 a kilo of food, rather than half of that food going out the back 842 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,720 in the form of waste, we've now been able to get rates of absorption 843 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,280 to around 90-95% into the animal's system 844 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,840 which then increases their growth rates. 845 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,280 They grow more wool and they mature at a younger age 846 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,720 and grow a lot faster. 847 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:56,120 We think sort of super sheep of the future. 848 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:05,000 Every day, Phil spends some quality time communing with his flock. 849 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,840 Tell me about this sheep, that seems very friendly indeed. 850 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,720 Nudge was special, he was a premature lamb 851 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,960 and was so small he couldn't reach mum to drink. 852 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,920 Normally in the past, he would have been left in the paddock to die, 853 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,760 so we identified him early and picked him up and hand raised him 854 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,000 and he's never ever forgotten that ability or that process 855 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,480 of being hand fed from a young age where he would come up 856 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,400 and nudge you to get a bottle. 857 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,640 He is now the matriarch of our entire sheep flock. 858 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,360 He's a leader and he's a character 859 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,360 and he's a beautiful, beautiful animal 860 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,280 that would have never survived unless we'd intervened. 861 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,520 But now he's paid us back in kind year after year after year 862 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,720 where when we have to move the lambs in to weigh them, 863 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,920 which is just part of the process for selecting lambs to go to market 864 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,960 and place that product, Nudge will walk to the gates 865 00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,560 and everything follows because he is the leader of the flock 866 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,480 which looks up to him for directions. 867 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,880 His contribution has been fantastic 868 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,280 and we hope he's around for many more years yet. 869 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,920 But the young lambs that we've been feeding today, 870 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,840 are they the sort of Nudges of the future? 871 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,960 Absolutely they are. Yeah, they are. 872 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,440 I wasn't entirely sure how practical they were going to be. 873 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,120 I did think that this might be a sort of slightly utopian style 874 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,560 of farming that was lovely and it worked for them but that it wouldn't 875 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:40,160 be something that could be kind of more widely commercially viable, 876 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,160 but these guys are very practical. They have to make a living. 877 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,520 They're doing a lot of things that other farmers do. 878 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,800 They're choosing animals based on the right genetics, 879 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,400 they're making very conscious decisions, 880 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,800 but it's just very interesting that they're clearly getting 881 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,440 extremely good results and therefore high prices for the product 882 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,960 that they're producing, 883 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,920 but managing them in a way that feels frankly kind of lovely. 884 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,440 This looks absolutely fantastic. 885 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,440 Thank you. OK, we need to eat this meat. OK. I want to hear your.... 886 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,400 My opinion. Your opinion. 887 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,320 Let's put it to the test. 888 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,080 That really is delicious. 889 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,040 So full of flavour, but has a really nice texture as well, 890 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,160 sort of soft and it's delicious. 891 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,480 The Lallys believe that their low-stress method produces 892 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,400 more tender and tasty meat, 893 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,920 and clients all over Australia are more than happy 894 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,560 to pay a premium for it. 895 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,960 As I leave Savannah Lamb, 896 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,080 I feel a surge of optimism about the future of herding. 897 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,400 While I don't think Phil and Michelle have the solution 898 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,120 to the global food crisis, I do think they have something else. 899 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,000 They're forging a great business by blending old and new, 900 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,720 combining scientific research with good old-fashioned shepherding. 901 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,000 And in a world where farmers are having to scale up just to get by, 902 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,120 Phil and Michelle are staying small and focusing on quality, 903 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,920 and that gives me hope for the future. 904 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,480 It's been a long eye-opening journey 905 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,520 from the mountain shepherds in Afghanistan 906 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,000 to the huge-scale farms in Australia, 907 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:39,920 and along the way I've felt both elated and enlightened 908 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:47,040 and sometimes just failed to see that there can be any future at all 909 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,200 for the ancient tradition of herding. 910 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,120 In Afghanistan, I saw the origins of shepherding - 911 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:02,000 proud people struggling to survive, utterly dependent on their animals, 912 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,520 as their ancestors have been for thousands of years. 913 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,760 The alpaca herders of the high Andes were at a crossroads, 914 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,920 an ancient people entering the modern world, 915 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,040 having to choose between tradition and progress. 916 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,160 And the Australian shepherds, with their vast farms and hi tech methods, 917 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,640 are the face of herding's future. 918 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,200 With all the challenges of the next few decades, it feels inevitable 919 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,320 that we will have to embrace new technologies and industrial farming, 920 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,760 with all the ethical and moral dilemmas they bring. 921 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,960 I suspect, like it or not, 922 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,560 scientists will become the new farmers, 923 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:54,200 but I hope that there may also be a place for a more traditional way 924 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,800 of raising livestock and producing meat 925 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,400 and I also hope that in our insatiable desire 926 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,600 for plentiful, cheap food, 927 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,160 we won't lose that ancient bond between animal and herder 928 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,760 that has sustained the human race for over 10,000 years. 929 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,680 By looking to our past, 930 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,640 perhaps we can solve some of the problems of our future. 931 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,120 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 83141

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