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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,927 --> 00:00:33,838 WOOD: Making a series on the story of India 2 00:00:33,927 --> 00:00:36,805 has got to be the best job in the world. 3 00:00:36,887 --> 00:00:40,084 So, naturally, everyone wanted to get in on the act. 4 00:00:40,167 --> 00:00:41,236 Okay. 5 00:00:43,007 --> 00:00:45,646 Okay, don't look at camera. Thank you. 6 00:00:48,247 --> 00:00:51,364 It's time in this... Sorry. Sorry. One minute. 7 00:00:54,287 --> 00:00:59,156 WOOD: Though sometimes, the sheer tumult drove our soundman, Callum, to despair. 8 00:01:00,407 --> 00:01:03,319 I did one. Didn't you see? Okay. 9 00:01:04,167 --> 00:01:05,759 And our cameraman,Jeremy, 10 00:01:05,847 --> 00:01:08,486 soon discovered that you're never alone in India. 11 00:01:08,567 --> 00:01:11,365 This is a series about the story of India. 12 00:01:12,007 --> 00:01:13,804 The land of wonders. 13 00:01:18,327 --> 00:01:21,558 You'd really need 1 00 films to tell the story of India. 14 00:01:21,647 --> 00:01:26,357 There are so many wonderful things to compress into a few hours of television. 15 00:01:27,287 --> 00:01:30,916 Now you don't see South India on TV as often as the north. 16 00:01:31,367 --> 00:01:34,882 And one night, we shot this scene on our small video camera, 17 00:01:34,967 --> 00:01:37,162 with the priest's permission I should add, 18 00:01:37,247 --> 00:01:40,125 in the heart of the great temple of Madurai. 19 00:01:43,607 --> 00:01:47,043 For me, it's one of the most atmospheric buildings in India. 20 00:01:47,127 --> 00:01:49,357 Or anywhere in the world, for that matter. 21 00:01:49,447 --> 00:01:51,199 Here in the deep south, 22 00:01:51,287 --> 00:01:54,199 the customs of ancient times still survive. 23 00:01:55,247 --> 00:01:57,761 And to me, it's irresistible. 24 00:01:57,847 --> 00:02:02,637 When the ancient Greeks came to India, they felt at home with Indian religion. 25 00:02:02,727 --> 00:02:06,197 These gods were like Aphrodite and Apollo and Artemis. 26 00:02:06,967 --> 00:02:09,242 British, though, were a bit more buttoned up. 27 00:02:09,327 --> 00:02:11,921 One British administrator came here to Madurai 28 00:02:12,007 --> 00:02:14,396 and went no further than the front gate. 29 00:02:14,487 --> 00:02:17,320 ''I didn't go in,'' he said, ''I was afraid.'' 30 00:02:20,767 --> 00:02:23,725 The daily rituals here to the goddess Meenakshi 31 00:02:23,807 --> 00:02:25,957 plunge you into another way of seeing. 32 00:02:26,047 --> 00:02:27,765 Although, to the priest of the temple, of course, 33 00:02:27,847 --> 00:02:30,725 it's just the job that they've always done. 34 00:02:34,327 --> 00:02:38,240 They're putting Shiva to bed, with his wife, the goddess. 35 00:02:38,327 --> 00:02:41,319 In a sense, you could say that the whole of this vast temple is 36 00:02:41,407 --> 00:02:45,241 about their marriage and therefore, about all marriage. 37 00:02:45,327 --> 00:02:50,003 So, of course, the god must go to bed with his wife at the end of the day. 38 00:02:50,087 --> 00:02:53,557 You are the custodians of Shiva. 39 00:02:53,647 --> 00:02:55,922 You are the guardians of Shiva's shrine here. 40 00:02:56,007 --> 00:03:01,559 In the 21 st century, do you think, Guru, it's possible... 41 00:03:02,207 --> 00:03:07,565 How do you think it is possible to be modern and also to keep the tradition? 42 00:03:07,647 --> 00:03:10,081 -That's not difficult. -Yeah. Yeah. 43 00:03:10,167 --> 00:03:14,365 Because we easily get all these things very easily. 44 00:03:14,447 --> 00:03:18,201 So, we are following the tradition, I'm well settled. 45 00:03:18,287 --> 00:03:21,404 My wife is very nice. 46 00:03:21,487 --> 00:03:24,126 My children are very good. They are studying. 47 00:03:24,207 --> 00:03:27,643 So, I'm really very happy. This is enough for me. 48 00:03:27,727 --> 00:03:29,843 So, I'm very happy and I am very proud of it. 49 00:03:45,407 --> 00:03:48,922 In India, the living presence of the past is all around you. 50 00:03:49,007 --> 00:03:51,965 And the wealth of detail of the history is just fascinating, 51 00:03:52,047 --> 00:03:55,039 especially when you meet another history fan. 52 00:03:58,247 --> 00:04:00,602 This is a Roman Republican coin. 53 00:04:01,247 --> 00:04:03,397 WOOD: Republican coin? All right. 54 00:04:03,487 --> 00:04:06,524 -So, this is 1 st century BC? -Yeah. 55 00:04:08,087 --> 00:04:11,124 -So this is Venus holding scales? -Yeah. Yeah. 56 00:04:11,207 --> 00:04:13,880 Wow. That's too much. 57 00:04:14,687 --> 00:04:17,838 WOOD: Oh, that's beautiful, isn't it? Face of a goddess. 58 00:04:17,927 --> 00:04:20,566 MAN: Head of Cybele. WOOD: Cybele, yeah. 59 00:04:20,647 --> 00:04:24,765 -And on the other side... -A human figure with hands extended, 60 00:04:24,847 --> 00:04:27,202 kneeling right beside a camel. 61 00:04:27,287 --> 00:04:29,926 WOOD: A human figure kneeling beside a camel. 62 00:04:30,007 --> 00:04:32,805 MAN: (LAUGHING) Yes, camel. WOOD: Single-humped camel? 63 00:04:32,887 --> 00:04:34,684 MAN: Yes. WOOD: My goodness me. 64 00:04:34,767 --> 00:04:36,485 And the text on it? 65 00:04:36,567 --> 00:04:37,761 -Bacchus? -Bacchus, yes. 66 00:04:37,847 --> 00:04:39,917 The god Dionysus, the god of wine. 67 00:04:40,007 --> 00:04:42,157 -Bacchus is the god of wine. -I see. 68 00:04:42,247 --> 00:04:44,442 So, they liked Greek wine. 69 00:04:49,407 --> 00:04:53,400 In The Story of India, we set out to use all the historian's tools. 70 00:04:53,487 --> 00:04:56,684 Archaeology and language, texts and traditions, 71 00:04:56,767 --> 00:04:59,565 and even DNA and climate science, 72 00:04:59,647 --> 00:05:03,606 in a time when new discoveries are being made almost every day. 73 00:05:09,207 --> 00:05:12,563 But in India, everyone has their own take on history. 74 00:05:14,807 --> 00:05:16,320 WOOD: Hi, how are you? 75 00:05:16,487 --> 00:05:17,636 (SPEAKING HINDI) 76 00:05:17,727 --> 00:05:19,080 WOOD: Yes, please. 77 00:05:22,007 --> 00:05:26,683 Take this moment at Hastinapur, when the site guardian, Hari Ram, 78 00:05:26,767 --> 00:05:29,076 took me completely by surprise. 79 00:05:39,887 --> 00:05:41,400 What is this, Hari Ram? 80 00:05:41,487 --> 00:05:42,715 (SPEAKING HINDI) 81 00:05:42,807 --> 00:05:44,957 -Harappa? -Harappa. 82 00:05:45,047 --> 00:05:46,844 -Definite? -Definite. 83 00:05:46,927 --> 00:05:49,760 WOOD: Not form Gupta period or... No, Harappa? 84 00:05:51,087 --> 00:05:53,362 A figurine, it's female? Female? 85 00:05:53,447 --> 00:05:55,836 -RAM: Male. Female. -Male? Female? 86 00:05:56,327 --> 00:05:59,876 You see the breasts marked there. And a strange little face. 87 00:06:01,047 --> 00:06:04,801 That's 5,000 years old! No wonder history matters here. 88 00:06:05,567 --> 00:06:08,161 And the arts, too, are part of the history. 89 00:06:08,247 --> 00:06:12,445 Despite the ravages of time, no country in the world, perhaps, is so rich 90 00:06:12,527 --> 00:06:14,597 in painting and sculpture. 91 00:06:20,967 --> 00:06:24,004 But history in India is also contested. 92 00:06:25,007 --> 00:06:26,326 Thank you very much. 93 00:06:26,407 --> 00:06:29,205 The Sultan, Mahmud Of Ghazni, is supposed to have stolen these gates 94 00:06:29,287 --> 00:06:32,802 from a Hindu temple in India, and taken them to Afghanistan. 95 00:06:32,887 --> 00:06:37,085 In the 1 840s, the British stole them to curry favour with the Hindus. 96 00:06:37,167 --> 00:06:41,001 So this is the gate that was taken to Ghazni? 97 00:06:41,087 --> 00:06:43,647 And then brought back by the British. 98 00:06:43,887 --> 00:06:45,605 MAN: There was a controversy about the history. 99 00:06:45,687 --> 00:06:49,362 (LAUGHING) There is a controversy about the history? 100 00:06:49,447 --> 00:06:50,641 You are... 101 00:06:50,727 --> 00:06:54,117 Some writer says this, some writer says this. 102 00:06:54,207 --> 00:06:59,235 WOOD: Modern historians say, this carving, typical of Cairo 103 00:06:59,327 --> 00:07:02,125 -and Damascus, in the 1 1 th century. -Islamic. Yeah. 104 00:07:02,207 --> 00:07:06,280 So, if the modern historians are right, this is Islamic wood. 105 00:07:06,967 --> 00:07:10,164 People who carved it were craftsmen from 106 00:07:11,447 --> 00:07:14,245 Syria, Egypt, who were coming to Ghazni? 107 00:07:14,327 --> 00:07:16,921 And this was the real gate of the tomb? 108 00:07:17,007 --> 00:07:19,760 MAN: That's why somebody said this was all Muslim architecture. 109 00:07:19,847 --> 00:07:21,485 -Mostly all Muslim. -Yeah. Yeah. 110 00:07:21,567 --> 00:07:24,161 -Nobody quite knows the truth. -Nobody quite knows the truth. 111 00:07:25,287 --> 00:07:29,360 A warning to those who manipulate history, as they still do, 112 00:07:29,447 --> 00:07:31,199 for political ends. 113 00:07:32,127 --> 00:07:34,641 Of course, being British of a certain age, 114 00:07:34,727 --> 00:07:38,640 I grew up reading school textbooks that had a rosy-tinted view 115 00:07:38,727 --> 00:07:40,604 of the British Empire in India. 116 00:07:40,687 --> 00:07:44,362 So, in the story of India, how to handle the Raj? 117 00:07:44,447 --> 00:07:47,564 After all, imperialism is still imperialism. 118 00:07:48,287 --> 00:07:52,803 Take this scene, where I used a British guidebook to India from the 1 920s 119 00:07:52,887 --> 00:07:57,005 to see how they saw history then. And it's not so long ago. 120 00:07:57,607 --> 00:08:02,078 For the British, 1 857 was the most important event in their rule in India. 121 00:08:02,167 --> 00:08:06,126 And you can see how important when you look at the guidebooks of later times. 122 00:08:06,207 --> 00:08:07,765 This is Murray's Handbook, 123 00:08:07,847 --> 00:08:11,806 the top tourist guide to India. This one, published in 1 929, 124 00:08:11,887 --> 00:08:14,765 is full of all the typical British stuff, 125 00:08:14,847 --> 00:08:18,044 the adverts for Thomas Cooks and P&O Liners. 126 00:08:18,127 --> 00:08:20,721 Adverts for the latest flash hotels, 127 00:08:20,807 --> 00:08:24,197 under European management, of course, it stresses. 128 00:08:24,287 --> 00:08:28,405 And, in the middle, more on Lucknow than on any other Indian city, 129 00:08:28,487 --> 00:08:31,877 with fold out maps and all the details. 130 00:08:31,967 --> 00:08:35,482 The reason, the events that took place here in 1 857, 131 00:08:35,567 --> 00:08:37,717 the Siege of the Residency. 132 00:08:37,807 --> 00:08:40,765 It says this, ''The Residency is the spot 133 00:08:40,847 --> 00:08:44,681 ''which all Englishmen will wish to visit first in Lucknow.'' 134 00:08:46,007 --> 00:08:50,797 ''A place in the midst of which one can think, thankfully and proudly, 135 00:08:50,887 --> 00:08:54,118 ''of the events and deeds of that summer in 1 857. 136 00:08:54,927 --> 00:08:56,918 ''On the tower over the Residency Building, 137 00:08:57,007 --> 00:09:01,000 ''the banner of England floated during the siege. 138 00:09:01,087 --> 00:09:03,920 ''And still flies in tribute to the dead. '' 139 00:09:10,287 --> 00:09:13,643 Even for the nation that patented the stiff upper lip, 140 00:09:13,727 --> 00:09:16,560 it must have been the most profound shock, 141 00:09:17,247 --> 00:09:20,444 to find yourself isolated in a vast alien land 142 00:09:20,527 --> 00:09:23,166 that you completely fail to understand. 143 00:09:23,247 --> 00:09:26,523 The British had thought themselves bearers of a superior culture 144 00:09:26,607 --> 00:09:29,644 bringing civilisation to the benighted Indians, 145 00:09:29,727 --> 00:09:32,321 only to discover that, far from being grateful, 146 00:09:32,407 --> 00:09:34,443 the Indians just wanted to kill them. 147 00:09:39,567 --> 00:09:44,322 Making films like this, you often go searching off the beaten track 148 00:09:44,407 --> 00:09:47,797 on the off-chance that you'll find hidden histories. 149 00:09:49,407 --> 00:09:52,001 And sometimes you turn up surprises. 150 00:09:52,927 --> 00:09:57,318 Rudyard Kipling, the English writer. Here, somewhere. Do you know? 151 00:10:00,287 --> 00:10:03,643 Old house of Rudyard Kipling, do you know? 152 00:10:03,727 --> 00:10:06,924 You don't know where it is. Where is... No? Okay. 153 00:10:09,087 --> 00:10:11,476 Here in Allahabad, I went looking for the house 154 00:10:11,567 --> 00:10:14,559 of the great British writer Rudyard Kipling. 155 00:10:21,167 --> 00:10:23,158 It's a little forgotten corner of Allahabad, here. 156 00:10:23,247 --> 00:10:28,480 This is the house where Rudyard Kipling lived in the late 1 880s. 157 00:10:29,447 --> 00:10:32,723 The garden where he wrote some of those famous animal stories 158 00:10:32,807 --> 00:10:36,083 like Rikki-Tikki-Tavi, the mongoose. 159 00:10:38,487 --> 00:10:41,604 Born in India. An outsider. 160 00:10:41,687 --> 00:10:46,397 Hated what he called the large-bore officials 161 00:10:46,487 --> 00:10:51,481 with their new respectability, their clumps, their polo clubs 162 00:10:51,567 --> 00:10:54,877 and large verandaed houses 163 00:10:54,967 --> 00:10:57,800 with 20 or 30 servants, even for a small family. 164 00:10:57,887 --> 00:11:00,447 Here's the house. How about that? 165 00:11:00,527 --> 00:11:03,724 Hello, good morning. It's very nice to meet you. 166 00:11:03,807 --> 00:11:07,959 Hello, I'm Michael from London. Very nice to meet you. Hello. 167 00:11:08,047 --> 00:11:11,039 So, is this the... This is the Kipling house, is it? 168 00:11:11,127 --> 00:11:15,678 -Wow! -They say, when we came in '42, '4 3, 169 00:11:15,767 --> 00:11:17,962 my father was posted here, 170 00:11:18,047 --> 00:11:23,167 and this whole building was one bungalow... 171 00:11:23,807 --> 00:11:25,445 -Right. -...with four big halls. 172 00:11:25,527 --> 00:11:28,644 You can see, if you want to. 173 00:11:28,727 --> 00:11:32,640 So I found the house. But more important, I met Durga, 174 00:11:32,727 --> 00:11:35,799 who'd worked for All India Radio covering India's freedom struggle 175 00:11:35,887 --> 00:11:38,196 as a journalist in the 1 940s. 176 00:11:40,087 --> 00:11:42,442 And like so many Indian people on our journey, 177 00:11:42,527 --> 00:11:45,837 she welcomed us into her home and shared her story. 178 00:11:45,927 --> 00:11:49,044 WOOD: So, you've seen big changes since the 1 940s? 179 00:11:49,127 --> 00:11:51,118 DURGA: Big changes. 180 00:11:51,207 --> 00:11:57,043 People do not realise how difficult it was to get freedom. 181 00:11:57,967 --> 00:12:01,596 Those who were not born, those who have not seen, 182 00:12:01,687 --> 00:12:06,966 people even in politics are those who don't know what was freedom struggle. 183 00:12:07,927 --> 00:12:11,317 British rule, it was a very disciplined rule. 184 00:12:11,447 --> 00:12:15,918 But, you know, bondage, nobody likes. 185 00:12:16,607 --> 00:12:18,165 Everybody likes to be free. 186 00:12:21,007 --> 00:12:25,444 India is so vast and so diverse, that there are no black and whites, 187 00:12:25,527 --> 00:12:29,566 no full stops. And, of course, that goes especially for religion. 188 00:12:29,647 --> 00:12:31,603 This is the ancient capital of Patna, 189 00:12:31,687 --> 00:12:34,645 one of the most interesting places in India. 190 00:12:34,727 --> 00:12:36,558 (BELLS CHIMING) 191 00:12:43,567 --> 00:12:48,960 WOOD: So this is a city for Hindus, Sikhs, Jains. 192 00:12:50,087 --> 00:12:52,157 But it's also a great Muslim city. 193 00:12:52,247 --> 00:12:55,045 And the last of these legendary places 194 00:12:55,127 --> 00:12:58,085 is a Muslim shrine. See if we can find it. 195 00:13:00,207 --> 00:13:03,119 I was searching for the site of a famous monastery 196 00:13:03,207 --> 00:13:07,598 of the Buddhist emperor Ashoka, who ruled in the 3rd century BC. 197 00:13:07,687 --> 00:13:11,999 But here in the Ganges Plain, Buddhism died out nearly 1,000 years ago. 198 00:13:12,087 --> 00:13:14,760 What, I wondered, would be there today? 199 00:13:22,967 --> 00:13:27,119 The local people led me to the old site of Ashoka's monastery. 200 00:13:27,207 --> 00:13:30,119 And as so often in India, the place was still holy. 201 00:13:30,207 --> 00:13:32,004 This must have been a graveyard. 202 00:13:32,087 --> 00:13:36,478 In the Middle Ages, a Sufi Muslim holy man settled here, 203 00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:39,604 gathering Muslim and Hindu followers. 204 00:13:39,687 --> 00:13:42,201 And today, the local people told me, 205 00:13:42,287 --> 00:13:46,485 all religious communities still come here and share its festivals. 206 00:13:53,647 --> 00:13:55,285 (SPEAKING URDU) 207 00:13:58,327 --> 00:14:00,522 MAN: All religion... WOOD: Together? 208 00:14:00,607 --> 00:14:03,121 MAN: People of all religion meet together 209 00:14:03,207 --> 00:14:05,880 and celebrate their festival together. 210 00:14:06,407 --> 00:14:09,479 It's like a kind of legacy of Ashoka, isn't it? 211 00:14:09,567 --> 00:14:12,445 You know, one of the key things that he said was 212 00:14:12,527 --> 00:14:14,802 you should always show respect for each other's religions. 213 00:14:14,887 --> 00:14:17,799 In the end, all religions are tending for the same goal, 214 00:14:17,887 --> 00:14:21,960 for purity of mind, and they agree in the essentials, 215 00:14:22,047 --> 00:14:24,720 even if they differ in the superficial things. 216 00:14:26,927 --> 00:14:28,918 So never use violence of language 217 00:14:29,007 --> 00:14:31,805 about another person's religion, he says. 218 00:14:44,207 --> 00:14:48,485 Ashoka's words, of course, are still painfully relevant today 219 00:14:49,007 --> 00:14:52,920 for in history, religion has been a constant source of conflict. 220 00:14:53,367 --> 00:14:57,838 And India, the most complex religious society on earth, is no exception. 221 00:14:59,847 --> 00:15:03,635 Even the act of carving beautiful sculptures for a temple 222 00:15:03,727 --> 00:15:05,797 can be loaded with danger. 223 00:15:06,527 --> 00:15:09,280 Relations between Hindu and Muslim have become 224 00:15:09,367 --> 00:15:11,722 a central political issue in India. 225 00:15:11,807 --> 00:15:15,402 Since the partition of India and Pakistan in 1 94 7, 226 00:15:16,527 --> 00:15:18,836 the issue, above all, has become associated 227 00:15:18,927 --> 00:15:21,760 with the name of the sacred city of Ayodhya. 228 00:15:22,767 --> 00:15:26,521 This temple is planned to replace a Muslim mosque 229 00:15:26,607 --> 00:15:29,917 destroyed in religious rioting in 1 992. 230 00:15:32,247 --> 00:15:36,877 These are the pieces for the projected Rama temple in Ayodhya. 231 00:15:36,967 --> 00:15:40,721 What they envisage is a temple about 2 70 feet long, 232 00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:44,846 1 40 feet wide, with a tower 1 30 feet high. 233 00:15:45,607 --> 00:15:49,077 And these are all the blocks, that will be its facing. 234 00:15:49,607 --> 00:15:53,441 The Congress government has said they intend to promise 235 00:15:53,527 --> 00:15:56,405 to rebuild the mosque that was destroyed. 236 00:15:56,487 --> 00:15:59,718 This is a powerful expression of intent, isn't it? 237 00:16:02,007 --> 00:16:04,760 Here in Ayodhya, then, the filmmaker has to be sensitive 238 00:16:04,847 --> 00:16:07,759 to bigger and more important considerations. 239 00:16:08,967 --> 00:16:10,878 WOOD: We've just come all the way from England 240 00:16:10,967 --> 00:16:14,960 to shoot the sequence and it seems crazy. 241 00:16:15,047 --> 00:16:17,197 It's just a few shots inside the temple. 242 00:16:17,327 --> 00:16:20,637 I don't understand. I really don't understand. 243 00:16:20,727 --> 00:16:23,241 The police say that we can't go up and film inside the temple, 244 00:16:23,327 --> 00:16:25,921 even though we have ministry permission. 245 00:16:26,007 --> 00:16:28,043 There's a big mela, a huge number of pilgrims, 246 00:16:28,127 --> 00:16:31,802 security situation's very tense, a lot of soldiers here 247 00:16:31,887 --> 00:16:34,196 and they don't want us to film. 248 00:16:36,527 --> 00:16:39,644 WOOD: Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. MAN: Thanks. 249 00:16:43,807 --> 00:16:46,765 I have to say, though, that I love Ayodhya. 250 00:16:46,847 --> 00:16:50,123 Sacred to Muslims as well as Hindus, it seems to me 251 00:16:50,207 --> 00:16:52,926 it's a living symbol of all India's pasts. 252 00:16:53,487 --> 00:16:54,966 WOOD: Hello. 253 00:16:58,087 --> 00:17:00,555 And despite the riots of 1 992, 254 00:17:00,647 --> 00:17:04,925 something of the fabulous culture of old Ayodhya has hung on today. 255 00:17:08,567 --> 00:17:09,636 (SPEAKING HINDI) 256 00:17:09,727 --> 00:17:13,720 This is one of those little Sufi shrines in Ayodhya. 257 00:17:13,807 --> 00:17:16,958 There were about 80 of them before 1 992, 258 00:17:17,047 --> 00:17:20,084 going back 700 years, they called it the city of the Sufis 259 00:17:20,167 --> 00:17:23,159 or the little Mecca. It's absolutely amazing, isn't it? 260 00:17:23,247 --> 00:17:25,044 Oh, wow! Look at this. 261 00:17:25,807 --> 00:17:28,116 Oh, that is so beautiful. 262 00:17:28,807 --> 00:17:30,479 So, the name of the Sufi? 263 00:17:30,567 --> 00:17:31,636 Ibrahim Shah. 264 00:17:31,727 --> 00:17:33,524 -Ibrahim...? -Shah. 265 00:17:33,607 --> 00:17:34,642 Ibrahim Shah. 266 00:17:34,727 --> 00:17:38,925 So, where did Baba Ibrahim come from? Do you know which part of the world? 267 00:17:39,007 --> 00:17:40,838 (SPEAKING HINDI) 268 00:17:54,487 --> 00:17:57,638 MAN: He came for Tashkent. And he was the Prince of Tashkent. 269 00:17:57,727 --> 00:18:02,198 From Tashkent? Yeah. From Central Asia. A lot of these Sufis came to India. 270 00:18:02,287 --> 00:18:06,439 You know, in the aftermath of the first Turkish armies, 271 00:18:06,527 --> 00:18:08,404 Turkic armies that came from Central Asia, 272 00:18:08,487 --> 00:18:12,082 a lot of these holy men came to India and made their homes here 273 00:18:12,167 --> 00:18:16,001 in the cities of the Ganges Plain. May we go in? 274 00:18:16,087 --> 00:18:17,725 (SPEAKING HINDI) 275 00:18:19,727 --> 00:18:21,319 MAN: Can you cover your head? 276 00:18:21,407 --> 00:18:24,604 WOOD: To cover my head? Thank you. Okay. 277 00:18:30,527 --> 00:18:32,802 The world's different customs. 278 00:18:40,927 --> 00:18:42,804 It's interesting. It's very like Christianity, isn't it? 279 00:18:42,887 --> 00:18:45,765 The Muslim commemoration of the saints. 280 00:18:45,847 --> 00:18:48,680 You know, orthodoxy says you shouldn't do this in Islam. 281 00:18:48,767 --> 00:18:50,758 But the ordinary peoples... 282 00:18:50,847 --> 00:18:53,919 They commemorated their tomb and they still do. 283 00:18:55,647 --> 00:18:56,762 (SPEAKING HINDI) 284 00:18:56,847 --> 00:19:00,157 Many Muslim buildings were destroyed here in the rioting. 285 00:19:00,247 --> 00:19:01,885 But not by locals. 286 00:19:01,967 --> 00:19:03,320 The people here told me 287 00:19:03,407 --> 00:19:06,877 that their Hindu neighbours helped protect this place. 288 00:19:10,887 --> 00:19:14,641 He's saying that for centuries the two communities lived together. 289 00:19:14,727 --> 00:19:18,561 They went to each other's marriages, they went to each other's festivals. 290 00:19:18,647 --> 00:19:21,798 Their lives were intertwined. Isn't that amazing? 291 00:19:24,007 --> 00:19:27,158 This is just so touching, isn't it? So touching. 292 00:19:27,967 --> 00:19:30,117 This is what happens, you know, in the whole of history. 293 00:19:30,207 --> 00:19:34,758 People get on together when they are left to their own devices. 294 00:19:34,847 --> 00:19:36,360 They find their accommodations. 295 00:19:36,447 --> 00:19:40,963 It's the politicians who... Who do things. 296 00:19:42,927 --> 00:19:45,487 And in India, there's always a last twist. 297 00:19:45,567 --> 00:19:47,319 And here it came when I said goodbye 298 00:19:47,407 --> 00:19:51,116 to the guardian of this lovely Muslim neighbourhood shrine. 299 00:19:52,567 --> 00:19:53,841 (SPEAKING HINDI) 300 00:19:53,927 --> 00:19:57,158 Thank you very, very much. Very, very kind. 301 00:19:57,247 --> 00:19:59,522 -What is your name? -Ram Kumar Srivastav. 302 00:19:59,607 --> 00:20:00,881 (SPEAKING URDU) 303 00:20:01,567 --> 00:20:05,560 -Ram Kumar? This is not a Muslim name. -No, no, no. 304 00:20:05,647 --> 00:20:08,002 You are from the Hindu Community? 305 00:20:08,087 --> 00:20:09,839 (SPEAKING HINDI) 306 00:20:11,767 --> 00:20:15,282 He's living... Living proof of the story of Ayodhya. 307 00:20:15,647 --> 00:20:17,842 Fantastic. Best of luck. 308 00:20:17,927 --> 00:20:19,997 -We'll see you again. -Bye. Bye. 309 00:20:20,087 --> 00:20:21,486 And that's India for you. 310 00:20:21,567 --> 00:20:24,798 Incomparable, endearing, forever surprising. 311 00:20:24,887 --> 00:20:26,684 The land of wonders. 27771

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