All language subtitles for Imagine 2014 The Art That Hitler Hated 1of2

af Afrikaans
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bn Bengali
bs Bosnian
bg Bulgarian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
km Khmer
ko Korean
ku Kurdish (Kurmanji)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Lao
la Latin
lv Latvian
lt Lithuanian
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
ne Nepali
no Norwegian
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt Portuguese
pa Punjabi
ro Romanian
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
st Sesotho
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhala
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
te Telugu
th Thai
tr Turkish Download
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
or Odia (Oriya)
rw Kinyarwanda
tk Turkmen
tt Tatar
ug Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:16,620 In no other modern country has the forest feeling 2 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:18,940 remained as alive as it has in Germany. 3 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:24,740 Each individual tree is always taller than a man 4 00:00:24,740 --> 00:00:27,060 and goes on growing until it becomes a giant. 5 00:00:28,820 --> 00:00:32,740 Its steadfastness has much in common with the same virtue in a warrior. 6 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:36,660 The German took the rigidity 7 00:00:36,660 --> 00:00:39,300 and straightness of trees for his own law. 8 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:53,940 In September 2010, on a train crossing the border from 9 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:58,620 Switzerland to Germany, an old man was searched by customs officials. 10 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:01,420 They found 9,000 euros in cash. 11 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:11,260 Their suspicions would be the start of a journey back in time - 12 00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:14,060 to a hoard of art hidden away since the Third Reich. 13 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:20,740 It has reignited passions that seemed long spent. 14 00:01:21,940 --> 00:01:24,620 The art we are talking about is covered in blood. 15 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:29,260 Sadness, tragedy, brutality - 16 00:01:29,260 --> 00:01:31,860 all those terrible experiences that people had. 17 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:36,100 These weren't old masters but new - 18 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:38,180 works which the Nazis came to regard 19 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:42,140 as just as sickly and degenerate as the Jews themselves. 20 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:44,460 They tried to wipe out both. 21 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:49,540 When you're walking through a great museum, 22 00:01:49,540 --> 00:01:53,620 it's possible that a painting you're walking by and looking at was stolen 23 00:01:53,620 --> 00:01:58,300 from a Jewish family and you'll never know it and they can't talk. 24 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:04,580 Every one of these paintings has a story 25 00:02:04,580 --> 00:02:06,580 and each story means something. 26 00:02:30,180 --> 00:02:33,740 It was on this street in a quiet, well-to-do neighbourhood in Munich 27 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:35,100 in November last year, 28 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:39,140 that a scandal erupted that rocked the art world 29 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:42,980 and which has implications that will resonate for years to come. 30 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:48,700 Investigations of the man on the train brought the police 31 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:53,340 to that flat, where over 1,000 priceless artworks were unearthed. 32 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:56,500 They'd been squirreled away for over half a century. 33 00:02:58,220 --> 00:03:02,660 And much of it was suspected to be Nazi-looted art. 34 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:07,780 Amazingly, the German authorities then kept their discovery secret. 35 00:03:10,420 --> 00:03:14,660 It only became public at all because it was leaked to a news magazine. 36 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:18,340 They revealed that it was the Nazis' art dealer, Hildebrand Gurlitt, 37 00:03:18,340 --> 00:03:20,860 who had amassed this collection of modern art, 38 00:03:20,860 --> 00:03:23,980 including Matisse, Monet and Picasso. 39 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:29,220 The man who hid himself away along with the pictures 40 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:32,180 was his son, Cornelius Gurlitt. 41 00:03:32,180 --> 00:03:34,980 A strange, rather sad-looking man. 42 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:38,620 Sad, perhaps, because of the weight of history on his shoulders. 43 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:45,580 It was all over the news, especially in Germany. 44 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:49,620 TRANSLATION: Two days after the revelations 45 00:03:49,620 --> 00:03:51,260 about the Munich art find, 46 00:03:51,260 --> 00:03:54,380 the State Prosecutor's Office has made an announcement 47 00:03:54,380 --> 00:03:57,260 about its proceedings against Cornelius Gurlitt. 48 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:04,060 In February 2012, customs investigators rang the doorbell 49 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:05,380 with a search warrant. 50 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,780 An art collection thought to be worth a billion euros 51 00:04:10,780 --> 00:04:13,980 was not what they were expecting to find. 52 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:17,860 It took three days to pack up some 1,500 artworks 53 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:19,260 ready to take them away. 54 00:04:36,340 --> 00:04:39,420 It was quite painful for many families. 55 00:04:39,420 --> 00:04:43,660 It opened up this hope of recovering their art, which had been 56 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:46,700 dormant for so long, because they tried and tried and tried 57 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:49,540 after the war. Every country that they'd asked had said, 58 00:04:49,540 --> 00:04:51,540 "We've no idea where it is", 59 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,380 and suddenly, here was this treasure trove. 60 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:59,900 I call these paintings the last prisoners of World War II. 61 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,340 Every piece of art that was stolen from Jewish families 62 00:05:03,340 --> 00:05:04,820 is connected with a death. 63 00:05:06,700 --> 00:05:09,620 The people, the collectors who had them, most of them died. 64 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,540 TRANSLATION: Why the State Prosecutor's Office 65 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:15,900 hid the discoveries from the public for almost two years 66 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:17,740 remains their secret. 67 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:27,820 David Toren was still a boy 68 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:31,140 when his family lost the painting, Two Riders on a Beach. 69 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:32,540 A little closer. 70 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:33,780 Good. 71 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:39,700 I'll let you go across that one... 72 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:42,980 When it was announced it had been found but not returned, 73 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:46,380 a well-wisher sent David, now blind, this 3D version. 74 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:55,500 One picture I remember had two horses with people riding on sand. 75 00:05:55,500 --> 00:06:01,860 He has come out. That's the one I used to look at. 76 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:14,380 When that press conference happened, what was your reaction? 77 00:06:14,380 --> 00:06:16,780 I was elated. 78 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:22,940 But I was also angry when I heard that they had been dilly-dallying 79 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:28,620 18 months, knowing that the heirs to the owners, 80 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:30,660 like me, are old people. 81 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:33,900 18 months is a long time. 82 00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:44,220 Since then, since that press conference, I dream. 83 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:48,780 And I dream all kind of things that happened in my childhood, 84 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:57,500 which I thought had disappeared from my memory, they come back. 85 00:07:04,820 --> 00:07:10,060 I liked to sit in front of that picture 86 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:15,020 which was in a small room next to a winter garden. 87 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:18,700 A kind of indoor garden. 88 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:23,780 There was a little room ahead of that 89 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:26,540 and there were chairs to sit on 90 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:31,220 and I sat in one of those chairs and looked at the picture 91 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:33,420 and I liked that, because I liked horses. 92 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:42,420 The paintings were owned by his great-uncle David, 93 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,420 a successful businessman. 94 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:51,020 What kind of a man was David Friedman, your great-uncle? 95 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:57,420 He was a very, business-wise, aggressive man, 96 00:07:57,420 --> 00:08:02,540 but privately, rather sweet and meek. 97 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:04,100 Didn't talk much. 98 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:14,900 Half a year, he lived on his agricultural estates. 99 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:16,620 Lots of land. 100 00:08:17,740 --> 00:08:20,340 There were about 10,000 acres. 101 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:30,780 He had been in business with my grandfather. 102 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:34,580 They had had a brick factory together. 103 00:08:34,580 --> 00:08:36,420 I don't know what happened to that. 104 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:43,780 There were lots of people around with the cows and the horses 105 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:50,420 and the pigs, and some guy taught me how to ride. 106 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:56,740 I was small at that time, I liked it. 107 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:08,700 The painter of Two Riders on the Beach, Max Liebermann, 108 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:13,220 was probably the most successful German artist of his time. 109 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:19,260 He had this summer house built in 1910 and designed its gardens. 110 00:09:19,260 --> 00:09:22,100 It was on the banks of the fashionable Lake Wannsee, 111 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:24,060 just outside Berlin. 112 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,580 It was possible at the time for a Jewish artist 113 00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:34,900 to be absolutely at the heart of the German establishment. 114 00:09:37,340 --> 00:09:41,860 In 1884, he married Martha, whom he often painted. 115 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:45,260 He was hugely influenced by his French contemporaries. 116 00:09:49,660 --> 00:09:52,860 He had a collection of French Impressionist paintings, I gather? 117 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:54,420 Yes, he loved the French. 118 00:09:54,420 --> 00:10:00,460 He was very inspired by the French painters, especially by Manet, 119 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:02,860 he loved Manet's painting, 120 00:10:02,860 --> 00:10:05,420 and he had in his collection 121 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:09,020 around about 17 paintings of this French master. 122 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:11,860 Of Manet? Of Manet. Amazing. 123 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:17,940 And he has all those paintings by Degas and other Impressionists. 124 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:23,300 He's a Jewish painter, he's also a great collector 125 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:26,740 with very good taste, and this house is full of paintings. 126 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:29,580 He was president of the Prussian Academy, 127 00:10:29,580 --> 00:10:32,420 he was a grand gentleman of the arts and culture. 128 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:35,660 Indeed. He was a citizen of honour of Berlin 129 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:40,940 and he has all awards you can imagine. 130 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:46,180 After '33, all that awards, all that honour, meant nothing 131 00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:47,620 because he was a Jew. 132 00:10:55,940 --> 00:10:58,780 Another German art collector whose work was to fall 133 00:10:58,780 --> 00:11:03,500 into the hands of Hildebrand Gurlitt was Sophie Lissitsky-Kueppers. 134 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,980 Sophie was not Jewish, though her second marriage would be to a Jew, 135 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:11,540 El Lissitsky, one of the great figures of Russian constructivism. 136 00:11:16,460 --> 00:11:19,820 As a young woman she bought Paul Klee's Swamp Legend, 137 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:23,580 just one of a vast collection which would be stolen from her. 138 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,780 She ended up banished to Siberia 139 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:31,900 while art dealers and museum directors in Germany 140 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:33,780 made hay with her art collection. 141 00:11:37,420 --> 00:11:41,260 Sophie's granddaughter Anita and her daughter Marita 142 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:44,060 are now fighting to get her pictures back. 143 00:11:44,060 --> 00:11:47,980 They live near Dresden, in former East Germany. 144 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:51,460 TRANSLATION: The photo, the ancient photo. 145 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:58,020 That's the only photo we still have of my grandmother and me, 146 00:11:58,020 --> 00:12:00,340 the first time she came to see us in Dresden. 147 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:05,660 She was a proper, nice granny. 148 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,900 I was still a child, 149 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:12,300 and I was really happy to finally have a second grandmother. 150 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:19,180 She was very cultured but also very natural. 151 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:27,060 Simply this nice, elderly lady, just as you imagine such a person 152 00:12:27,060 --> 00:12:31,620 to be, without saying anyone wasn't on her level. That wasn't her way. 153 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:39,380 These toys here came from our granny Sophie, 154 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:41,900 from far away Russia, I was told. 155 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:50,740 This hare always fascinated me, so as a child 156 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:51,660 I really loved it. 157 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:57,340 It's also a wonderful memory of a woman 158 00:12:57,340 --> 00:13:01,220 I never met, but who nevertheless played a big role in my childhood. 159 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:06,380 Art runs through her whole life like a red thread. 160 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:10,340 She never deviated from that and she sacrificed a lot for that. 161 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:12,220 She always trod her own path. 162 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:20,020 She was a stubborn child and young lady who knew very well 163 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:24,100 what she wanted, and her life was all about art. 164 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:29,540 Whenever she had trouble with her mother who had different ideas 165 00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:33,620 for her in mind, she would flee into the Alte Pinakothek. 166 00:13:39,180 --> 00:13:43,420 She would dive into the world of Old Masters. 167 00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:46,980 She would strengthen herself by looking at these pictures, 168 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,820 It was really her world. 169 00:13:51,860 --> 00:13:55,100 She particularly liked the Rubens. 170 00:13:58,180 --> 00:14:02,060 When her mother tried to forbid her to study the history of art, 171 00:14:02,060 --> 00:14:04,660 she would move the world to do it anyhow. 172 00:14:12,180 --> 00:14:15,340 She met Paul Kueppers, her later husband, in Munich, 173 00:14:15,340 --> 00:14:17,620 where he studied as well. 174 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:21,540 They were both focused on Old Masters in the first place, 175 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:24,300 but they very soon turned to modern art. 176 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,700 Sophie's family was against the relationship 177 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,740 because of his poor health. 178 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:41,660 Sophie and Paul had to keep their relationship secret. 179 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:45,780 So they would go to the gardens of the Nymphenburg Castle. 180 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:48,140 It has a Versailles-like entrance, 181 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:50,820 but then you find all these hidden walkways. 182 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:53,820 They would meet without being seen. 183 00:14:53,820 --> 00:14:56,420 We can only guess what they were talking about, 184 00:14:56,420 --> 00:14:58,100 but must have been art! 185 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:03,860 I started to work on this subject, actually out of anger, 186 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:08,060 about the way the press reported restitution cases. 187 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:12,940 It was all about how Jewish heirs want to make money out of the past, 188 00:15:12,940 --> 00:15:16,460 want to rob German museums or Austrian museums 189 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:20,020 and nobody really asked where these pictures came from, 190 00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:21,940 to whom they belonged in the past. 191 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:26,340 And, really, we wanted to give a face to these art collectors and to what 192 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:30,220 they achieved in the past before they were being robbed by the Nazis. 193 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:33,620 Their gallery was their home. 194 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:36,500 The walls of their rented flat in Hannover. 195 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,060 They didn't have money, really, but Sophie inherited some money 196 00:15:40,060 --> 00:15:44,100 from her uncle and she spent it immediately into modern art. 197 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,820 So they were really addicts. 198 00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:51,900 Instead of a deer head hanging over the fireplace there was a Kandinsky. 199 00:15:53,740 --> 00:15:56,420 For many people, that must have been unsettling. 200 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:59,340 Lots of these pictures that we're still searching for 201 00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:03,100 were gifts to her from the artists. 202 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,220 Or they bought them from the artists 203 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:07,380 so the artists could make a living. 204 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:11,020 It wasn't the case that they got rich from their pictures, 205 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:13,220 For example, the Klee. 206 00:16:15,820 --> 00:16:18,940 "Paul Klee, whom we both adored," said Sophie. 207 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:23,820 Klee was an artist-in-residence in Munich 208 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:27,420 in the early 1920s, and he had a studio in a castle. 209 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:34,020 Sophie and Paul Kueppers were coming from Hannover to Munich 210 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:36,620 especially to visit him 211 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:40,300 and they bought the Swamp Legend straight from his studio. 212 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:45,700 And he dedicated it especially to them. 213 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:52,900 "Everything is strange here, entwined with childhood dreams," 214 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:54,500 said her husband. 215 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:58,780 "Secrets are embedded in the scribbled, twitching lines." 216 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:02,220 "But for anyone who doesn't feel its beauty in his heart, 217 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:04,380 "words are but an empty echo." 218 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:10,860 Sophie had the expertise, really, to be a museum director, 219 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:14,780 but it was impossible in her times, as a woman, to be put 220 00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:19,060 in this position, so she was really very disappointed. 221 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:22,100 It was the avant-garde scene of the time, 222 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:24,860 really opening up Germany 223 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:29,660 for a completely new understanding of art. 224 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:38,340 But their charmed life came to an end. 225 00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:44,260 With rampant inflation in Germany, their money dissolved, 226 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:47,500 said Sophie, "Into the thin air, like soap bubbles." 227 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:52,780 Her husband Paul died of TB. 228 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:58,300 Sophie grew close to one of the many Russian artists 229 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:00,500 who used to drop in to their open house. 230 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:06,300 TRANSLATION: Soon after the death of her husband, Paul, 231 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:08,740 Sophie fell in love with El Lissitzky 232 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:10,860 and decided to follow him to Moscow. 233 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:18,060 And left the two boys in a boarding school in Hannover. 234 00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:20,740 Every now and again they were put on a train to Moscow 235 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:23,980 and were allowed to live with their mother during the holidays. 236 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:28,580 The little one was six and the big one eight. 237 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:35,860 Look at them here, the two of them. 238 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:39,220 The boy on the left is Anita's father, Kurt. 239 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:49,700 Something else Sophie left behind in Hannover in 1926 240 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:51,540 was her art collection. 241 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:54,420 She couldn't possibly have taken it with her to Moscow. 242 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:57,380 She left it on loan to the local museum. 243 00:18:57,380 --> 00:19:00,140 But it would turn out not to be in safe hands. 244 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:10,020 Right in the centre of Germany lived perhaps the most important 245 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:13,220 collector of German Expressionist art, Alfred Hess. 246 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:17,900 Not as Bohemian as Sophie, he was an industrialist 247 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:21,580 who made his money from shoes in the ancient town of Erfurt. 248 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:27,780 The most publicly debated painting from his once huge collection, 249 00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:29,260 now scattered to the winds, 250 00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:32,780 has been Street Scene, by Ernst Ludwig Kirchner. 251 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:36,900 Here lived, it says, 252 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,820 Alfred Hess, shoe manufacturer and arts patron. 253 00:19:43,380 --> 00:19:47,340 It was called Hotel Hess, and many of the artists who he patronised 254 00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:50,020 and looked after would make pilgrimages here. 255 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,420 The Hesses would invite artists to stay and they would 256 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:07,420 all sign a unique guestbook, which is now kept at the Bauhaus archive. 257 00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:10,020 Oh... 258 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:15,260 "Alfred and Tekla Hess - husband and wife. 259 00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:18,620 "To dear friends in the "beautiful new guestbook - 260 00:20:18,620 --> 00:20:21,700 "from their loyal painter Lyonel Feininger. 261 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:25,100 "Kind-hearted little ghosts." 262 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:31,460 Thank you. This is another beautiful Feininger. 263 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:34,780 "To work better, that's always a good reason 264 00:20:34,780 --> 00:20:38,500 "to let yourself be put up in Erfurt. Erich Heckel." 265 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:43,420 'It became a Who's Who of expressionist art.' 266 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:44,900 Wassily Kandinsky. 267 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:47,140 'And of the whole avant-garde scene in Germany.' 268 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:53,740 Paul Klee - I mean, how long did he spend doing that? 269 00:20:58,780 --> 00:21:02,300 Poets and philosophers came, and musicians. 270 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,140 Paul Hindemith. 271 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:07,620 Hindemith brought his quartet to play. 272 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,100 "A Duet In Friendship To Hess." 273 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,460 "Is there no telephone?" 274 00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:15,380 "From Lotte Lenya and Kurt Weill. 275 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:19,980 "And the shark has sharp teeth, dear." 276 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:22,100 From the Threepenny Opera. 277 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:26,260 "To the Hess house in sincere friendship, Kurt Weill." 278 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:27,580 Friedrich Friedl. 279 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:31,940 Christian Rohlfs. 280 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:36,220 Pechstein. 281 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:39,460 "Kurt Weill's first stage success was at the city's theatre," 282 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:41,020 wrote their son Hans. 283 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:43,660 "not entirely without the help of my father, 284 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:45,180 "who bought a few hundred tickets 285 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:50,860 "and filled the otherwise empty seats by inviting everyone he knew. 286 00:21:50,860 --> 00:21:53,300 "Our house was well known as a colourful place - 287 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,940 "and it was probably even more colourful than people knew." 288 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:06,940 See the face there? 289 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:10,340 I'm sure that would have gone down badly with Adolf Hitler. 290 00:22:10,340 --> 00:22:12,980 HE CHUCKLES 291 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:15,660 Robert Huth, 1919. 292 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:19,060 This could be some terrible scene from the battlefield. 293 00:22:19,060 --> 00:22:22,740 TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: His interest in art 294 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:27,180 only developed after the First World War from his wartime experiences. 295 00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:31,900 And when he came back to Erfurt with these 296 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,980 experiences of war - the destruction of war 297 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:37,140 and the mass hatred... 298 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:41,180 ..his life changed dramatically. 299 00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:45,700 There would have been housepainters 300 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:47,860 scurrying about, as well as artists. 301 00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:50,380 They showed pictures like these. 302 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:56,660 TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: They created rooms for individual artists. 303 00:22:56,660 --> 00:23:00,540 And painted the walls in bright colours. 304 00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:02,380 There was the blue room, the yellow room. 305 00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:07,660 Whenever new art works came into the collection, 306 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:09,300 they moved all the pictures around. 307 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,100 The pictures wandered from the ground floor to the top floor. 308 00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:17,780 He had a Kirchner room - 309 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:20,460 he had five or six or seven Kirchner pictures. 310 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:25,740 And together with the director of the local museum 311 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:29,620 he devoted himself to expressionist art in a big way. 312 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,620 This is the rather grand local museum in Erfurt, which is 313 00:23:34,620 --> 00:23:38,140 a provincial town, once part of East Germany. 314 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:41,980 After the First World War this was a hotbed of German expressionism. 315 00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:45,940 It was also, of course, a place where National Socialism thrived 316 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:49,660 and where anti-Semitism was exceptionally strong. 317 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:51,100 There were the two sides 318 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:55,380 so it was really a big fight - it's difficult to imagine nowadays. 319 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:58,740 This is typical for whole Germany at that time, 320 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:01,260 that the situation was polarised. 321 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:05,580 There were strong left-wing groups and strong right-wing nationalists. 322 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,380 This is really interesting, anti-Semitism 323 00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:12,820 and anti modernism, anti modern art, so, to me, it is 324 00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:16,260 rather remarkable, the Bauhaus is down the road in Weimar. 325 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:20,180 You have people like Kandinsky and Klee who are spending time there, 326 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:26,020 visiting Erfurt, and you have demonstrations against this museum, 327 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:29,220 against the idea of modernism and against the 328 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:34,020 Jewish philanthropist, who, this man, who is the patron of all this. 329 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:38,460 Yeah. Alfred Hess gave every year one painting to the museum. 330 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:42,700 He was a very important art patron for Erfurt 331 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:49,020 but he was acting very silently. He didn't want everybody to know 332 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:55,660 he was the patron. He supported the museum but in a quiet way. 333 00:24:55,660 --> 00:25:00,580 Maybe also to cause no conflict, not to, as we say, 334 00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:03,780 not to put more oil into the fire. 335 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:11,140 The Shoe Jew, as he was known, 336 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:15,940 had his house attacked as early as 1923, as did the museum director. 337 00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:20,500 The local museum commission called their support for modern art 338 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:23,540 "an artistic mass psychosis." 339 00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:28,380 Lists circulated with the name of every Jew in Erfurt. 340 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:41,780 All over Germany, battle lines were forming as to what art was 341 00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:43,620 suitable for the German people. 342 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:53,340 As early as 1892, it was, ironically, a Jew, 343 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:56,460 an early Zionist and physician called Max Nordau 344 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:59,780 who was the first to apply the medical term - "degenerate" - to art. 345 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:06,420 He dismissed art that he saw as, "post industrial, 346 00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:08,700 "urban and unhealthy", 347 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:13,900 as opposed to the solid, earthy, craftwork of the folk. 348 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:17,140 The attack on "sick" expressionism gathered momentum. 349 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:23,460 A young museum director, one quarter Jewish himself, 350 00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:26,260 was having trouble hanging on to his job. 351 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:28,660 His name was Hildebrand Gurlitt. 352 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:40,140 He had a Jewish grandmother, which must have made him insecure. 353 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:43,020 But, by all accounts, the main reason he was under threat 354 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:46,180 was because of his love of modern art. 355 00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:51,140 He had an illustrious family background in art history. 356 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:55,820 Cornelius Gurlitt, not the one that we 357 00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:58,820 know about, but his grandfather who was Hildebrand's father, 358 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:02,820 was a patriarch of Dresden and the rector of the university there. 359 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:08,180 He specialised in architecture and town planning 360 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:13,660 and art and he was a great advocate of the baroque architecture that 361 00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:17,500 Dresden was so famous, but at that time was not at all fashionable 362 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:21,660 and not loved, so he did a great deal to promote Dresden. 363 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:27,420 But his son, Hildebrand, turned to expressionism. 364 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:30,900 He described going to the first 365 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:34,820 exhibition of the Brucke artists in 1912 with his mother 366 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:38,020 when he was still a schoolboy. And he described how shocked 367 00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:41,580 he was by that art, that it was so brash, the colours were different. 368 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:56,260 That became the art that defined his life. 369 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:59,820 And he became the director of the art museum in Zwickau where 370 00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:03,180 he promoted exactly those artists he had grown up with. 371 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:07,340 In the '20s there were a lot of campaigns 372 00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:11,380 in the press against degenerate art - Entartete Kunst. 373 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:15,780 Hildebrand Gurlitt, of course, got into trouble as early as 1925 374 00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:18,620 because he was showing these modern artists - 375 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:23,060 that was against the conservative mainstream in Zwickau which 376 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:25,100 was a provincial industrial town. 377 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:30,820 As still today, there are a lot of people who are afraid of modern art. They don't understand it. 378 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:34,260 They think they're being taken for a ride and that was the case then. 379 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:38,140 People would say, "They call this art? They can't even draw!" 380 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:41,100 And this then became political when the Nazis won power. 381 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:47,220 Hildebrand Gurlitt was sacked from his job in Zwickau in 1930 382 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,700 and another in Hamburg soon after. 383 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,540 CROWD CHANTS 384 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:58,780 CHEERING 385 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:01,380 Storm clouds were gathering. 386 00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:05,740 In a way, Alfred Hess was lucky - he died in 1931, 387 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:08,420 just before the storm broke. 388 00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:25,220 When the Nazis took power in 1933, the noose tightened on Jews. 389 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:32,580 The leading German impressionist and collector of Manet, Max Liebermann, 390 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:37,100 President of the Prussian Academy, was stripped of all his honours. 391 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,740 He was deeply depressed, couldn't understand it - 392 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:42,900 but, like Alfred Hess, he died before he knew just 393 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,500 how bad it would get. 394 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:49,860 The Nazis knew which people they hated. 395 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,660 But it wasn't immediately clear 396 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:53,460 what art they would ban. 397 00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:58,980 Until 1936 there was a huge movement among the students, 398 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,900 for example, but also Goebbels, who personally liked that kind of art, 399 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,660 to establish German expressionism as official art of the state. 400 00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:16,660 Hitler let it happen until the Olympic Games of 1936 because he 401 00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:21,140 wanted to behave like a liberal and world open leader, but immediately 402 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:25,900 after the Olympic Games had finished he said, "Well, now we have to 403 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:31,340 "define what is art appropriate to the German...taste and thoughts." 404 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,380 "A new human type, which we saw last year 405 00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:38,100 "during the Olympic Games. 406 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,020 "This is the 'type' of the new age. 407 00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:45,860 "But what do you manufacture? 408 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:48,100 "Deformed cripples and cretins. 409 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,780 "Women who inspire only disgust, 410 00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:54,300 "men who are more like wild beasts, children who, 411 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,980 "if they were alive would be regarded as God's curse." 412 00:31:01,820 --> 00:31:04,380 Albert Speer even says in his memoirs 413 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:08,020 how he did up the Goebbels' apartment in Berlin. 414 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:16,260 He put Emil Nolde watercolours on the wall of the apartment. 415 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:18,500 Fantastic flower paintings. 416 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,860 Pictures like these. 417 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:24,900 The Goebbels were absolutely delighted with it. 418 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,500 Hitler came round, inspected the new apartment, took one look 419 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,740 at the Noldes and said, "They've got to go, they're terrible!" 420 00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:34,220 And that was it, they went. 421 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:42,980 So, until 1936, Goebbels was the one 422 00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:46,220 who'd tried to establish expressionism. 423 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:48,820 And a little bit like Hildebrand Gurlitt, 424 00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:51,700 Goebbels changed his mind immediately 425 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,900 when he saw what Hitler liked and what he did not like. 426 00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:58,180 And then was the moving power 427 00:31:58,180 --> 00:32:01,100 behind the Degenerate Art action 428 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,700 which meant that, from 1937 on, 429 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:07,380 everything which did not fit with Hitler's taste 430 00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:10,620 was removed from German museums. 431 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:13,820 That's actually a bit unfair on Hildebrand Gurlitt. 432 00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:18,300 He didn't change his taste for degenerate art, 433 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:21,140 but he found a way of putting it to his own use - 434 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:24,100 working both for the Fuhrer and for himself. 435 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:31,180 This is the palace where the art the Nazis hated would be stored. 436 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:45,100 'Unrolling now was a state campaign against state-owned modern art.' 437 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,860 So, this is a picture taken in this room. 438 00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:57,140 It says the entire ground floor 439 00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:59,940 served as storage for degenerate art, 440 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:03,860 which had been robbed from museums and private collections. 441 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:14,580 'It's ironic that the daring and the scandalous 442 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:18,420 'have been replaced by elegant, 18th century portraits.' 443 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:25,820 'Hildebrand Gurlitt had special access here 444 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:29,420 because he was chosen by Goebbels as one of four dealers 445 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:33,220 commissioned to sell degenerate works seized by the Nazis, 446 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:35,300 and to buy approved paintings 447 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,740 to fill the gaps left on museum walls. 448 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:41,820 Later, Gurlitt described his role here. 449 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:44,940 "A great many works of modern art 450 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:46,700 "passed through my hands," he writes, 451 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:51,340 "from a depot of confiscated art in Niederschoenhausen," here, 452 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,380 "where if you had enough courage 453 00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:55,540 "you could buy very beautiful paintings 454 00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:57,500 "with the same foreign currencies 455 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,060 "that were otherwise illegal to possess 456 00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:01,900 "and could land you in jail. 457 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,540 "What wasn't sold for cash, 458 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:05,700 "some 80,000 works of art, 459 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:09,340 "I believe was burned by the SS." 460 00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:11,700 It's actually thought to be far fewer. 461 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:16,140 And then he goes on, in a self-justifying manner, 462 00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:19,500 "I was able to save many of these paintings from destruction 463 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,900 "and pass them on to great collectors." 464 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:25,420 Of course, many he kept for himself. 465 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:30,620 But before the bonfire of those deemed worthless, 466 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,580 came the ridicule. 467 00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:35,460 The paintings were displayed for public contempt. 468 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:42,300 The most notorious exhibition was held here, in Munich, in 1937. 469 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,380 Christian. 470 00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:48,860 Hi. Good afternoon. 471 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:51,300 So here we are, this is where it all happened, 472 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,580 the Degenerate Art show. Right. 473 00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:57,380 I've brought two illustrations. 474 00:34:57,380 --> 00:35:00,260 So that's where we are, is it? Yes, exactly. 475 00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:02,340 There's quite a crowd in this picture. Yes. 476 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:05,340 So was it popular, this Degenerate Art Exhibition? 477 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:07,780 It was popular. But, as you see, 478 00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:09,740 there were no entrance fees, 479 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:12,420 at a time when every museum and every exhibition 480 00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:15,460 you had to pay ten Pfennig or something. 481 00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:18,940 There was quite a bit of media hype around it. 482 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:20,740 The newspaper reported, 483 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:23,980 "Those are the real atrocities of the world 484 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:26,540 "and you won't believe it until you see it." 485 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:32,060 "Take Dada seriously! It's worth it." 486 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,020 A quote from George Grosz, 487 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:35,780 not meant to be taken seriously. 488 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:39,820 They say it themselves - 489 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:42,500 "We act as though we're painters or poets 490 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:44,900 "but we're just delighting in taking the piss, 491 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,300 "bringing a giant swindle into the world 492 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,100 "and breeding snobs who'll lick our boots." 493 00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:59,300 The Dadaist Hannah Hoch went to the show 494 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:00,580 and wrote in her diary... 495 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:05,820 "The most important works from the post-war years are here. 496 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:07,420 "After the public persecution, 497 00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:10,860 "it's astonishing how disciplined the audience is. 498 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,540 "There are a lot of closed faces 499 00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:15,700 "and you can see opposition in many of them. 500 00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:17,380 "Barely a word is said." 501 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:26,700 And just round the corner, 502 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,140 Hitler staged another exhibition 503 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:31,780 of art that good Germans should like. 504 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:39,140 The idea behind it was that if we have a sort of negative foil 505 00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:43,740 then the good German art will be seen in even a better light. 506 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:52,300 And when you managed to be exhibited here at the Haus der Deutschen Kunst, 507 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,780 you'd made it. 508 00:36:53,780 --> 00:37:00,180 Because you have all the collectors from the National Socialist elite 509 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,580 who would compete with each other 510 00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:06,580 for the best works of art that were being offered here for sale. 511 00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:11,220 And Hitler himself was the biggest buyer. Really?! 512 00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:15,140 I think his artistic tastes were indeed shaped 513 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:16,980 by turn of the century Vienna 514 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:20,460 and by artists that he himself considered the best, 515 00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:22,140 like Rudolf von Alt. 516 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:25,420 So he organised a looting campaign 517 00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:28,380 to get all Rudolf von Alt water colours and paintings 518 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:29,620 for his own collection. 519 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:31,700 Taken from Jews or taken from...? In Vienna. 520 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:33,220 Taken from Jews in Vienna. Yes, yes. 521 00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:38,460 Perhaps the art school in Vienna 522 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,500 should take some of the blame for this, 523 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,100 as it was they who turned down Hitler as an art student 524 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,980 not just once, but twice. 525 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:56,980 This year, in New York, 526 00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:58,980 the two shows - one degenerate, 527 00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:01,580 the other with the Nazi stamp of approval - 528 00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:03,900 have been restaged. 529 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,420 The works now sit side-by-side in one show. 530 00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:18,300 "Works of art which cannot be comprehended 531 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,060 "will no longer be foisted upon the German people." 532 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:30,980 So these are the famous queues to get into the exhibition, then? 533 00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:36,300 Yeah. So, this is the line standing in front of the venue in Hamburg 534 00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:41,220 one year after the opening of Degenerate Art show in Munich. 535 00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:43,100 Because it was a travelling show, 536 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,300 this exhibition also had several venues. 537 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:49,540 In Munich, it was really a blockbuster. 538 00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:53,820 Two million people visited the show over five months. 539 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:56,180 I mean, that's an extraordinary number, 540 00:38:56,180 --> 00:39:01,300 two million people visiting an exhibition of art which was despised 541 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:04,980 and which was there to say, "This is what we can do without." 542 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:08,380 And it's interesting, here, that in this exhibition 543 00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:13,300 you clearly decided that you wanted to tell two stories, 544 00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:14,700 not just one. 545 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,460 Here we have the Beckmann triptych, 546 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,700 which is an example of degenerate art, big time, 547 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,100 and then on the right-hand side, a painting by Ziegler 548 00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:27,380 which was Hitler's favourite painting, was it not? 549 00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:31,060 He selected this triptych, the Four Elements by Adolf Ziegler. 550 00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:35,860 He'd installed it over the fireplace in his Fuhrerbau in Munich. 551 00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:40,500 It makes clear what Hitler's taste was about. 552 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,740 That it had to do something with a naturalistic way 553 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:45,580 of depicting something... 554 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:47,860 with racial ideals. 555 00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:51,900 It has also something to do with classical nudity 556 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,340 and classical antiquity. 557 00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:58,420 You can see that Ziegler was taught at an academy. 558 00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:02,460 And that was also very important for the Nazis. 559 00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:06,940 The idea in this gallery is to bring the visitors of our exhibition 560 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:10,580 to the historical situation in the summer of 1937. 561 00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:13,820 So that you as a visitor can really judge 562 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:16,660 what was going on there, and what is the contrast. 563 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:23,380 "Art does not create a new age, it is the fighters, 564 00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:27,060 "those who truly shape and lead peoples, who make history." 565 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:31,940 "When the people pass through these galleries, 566 00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:36,100 "they will recognise in me their own spokesman and counsellor." 567 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:42,900 "Our young artists will recognise the path they will have to take." 568 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:50,020 Yeah, the Beckmann picture for our exhibition 569 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:51,420 was extremely important 570 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:53,820 since in the first years of the Third Reich 571 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:55,860 he was working on that piece. 572 00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:59,420 And he's reflecting the political circumstances in that painting. 573 00:40:59,420 --> 00:41:02,780 On the side panels, you can really see very brutal scenes 574 00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:05,020 of torture and violence. 575 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:10,300 And in the middle panel, he is opening the space, 576 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,940 he's showing us something totally different. 577 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:16,540 Beckmann was telling people that the central panel 578 00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:18,580 is dealing with freedom. 579 00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:21,980 It was a very important point to make for him, 580 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:26,180 in Berlin, in the mid 1930s, under the rule of the Nazis. 581 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,700 Adolf Ziegler gave the opening speech at the Degenerate Art show. 582 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,940 He said, "You see here aberrations of madness, 583 00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:38,940 "dilettantism and decadence. 584 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:42,820 "It causes us all who see the show shock and nausea. 585 00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:48,100 "Trainloads will be needed to rid the German museums of this rubbish." 586 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,740 That very day, Max Beckmann left Germany to go into exile. 587 00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:59,860 It's surprising for people 588 00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:02,540 that there were artists in this exhibition 589 00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:05,340 who were allies of Hitler, in many ways. 590 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,580 There's Nolde over there... Yeah. 591 00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:11,420 ..who was himself very much a Nazi. 592 00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:15,300 He was probably the artist who was affected the most 593 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,900 by the confiscation campaign of the Nazis. 594 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,740 More than 1,000 works of him were confiscated 595 00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:23,580 from German state museums. 596 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:26,980 He was aggressively attacked by the Nazis 597 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:31,100 although he became, in the early 1930s, 598 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,140 a member of the Nazi party. 599 00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:38,020 Other artists found different ways 600 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,700 of accommodating to the new order. 601 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:43,900 Kirchner had tried to justify his Street Scene 602 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:46,380 as "genuinely German." 603 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:49,420 "How much genuine German drawing skill is required 604 00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:52,060 "to paint such a picture?," he wrote. 605 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:54,300 "The way the movement of the passersby 606 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,740 "is rendered in the rhombus of the heads. 607 00:42:56,740 --> 00:43:00,820 "This picture would be interesting to look at alongside one by Durer. 608 00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:03,140 "I certainly believe it would hold its own." 609 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:07,900 But his self justification was to no avail. 610 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:11,260 A total of 639 of his works 611 00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:13,980 were seized from museums during the Third Reich. 612 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:16,220 32 were ridiculed in the show. 613 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,940 Kirchner started this self portrait in 1932 614 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:27,180 but altered it in 1937, the year of the Degenerate Art show. 615 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:33,460 He blurred his face. You can only see one half of a face. 616 00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:37,380 He added these yellow stripes which are blocking his hands 617 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:42,060 so he is no longer able to work as an artist. 618 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:46,260 There is a red swastika behind Kirchner, 619 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:48,740 he is reflecting how he is affected 620 00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:50,820 by the cultural policy of the Nazis. 621 00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:57,660 Maybe it was one of the most significant reasons for him 622 00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:00,140 to commit suicide in 1938. 623 00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:11,580 The proud owner of the Kirchner Street Scene, 624 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:15,180 which once hung at the Hotel Hess, is now Ronald Lauder. 625 00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:19,020 Heir to the Estee Lauder cosmetics fortune, 626 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:22,380 he started collecting Egon Schiele and Gustav Klimt 627 00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:26,420 when he was just 14. 628 00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:31,220 He bought this painting by Klimt in 2006. 629 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:34,060 It was looted by the Nazis during the war 630 00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:37,260 and the family who owned it fought for years to get it back. 631 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:42,140 The Klimt and the Kirchner are now on show 632 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:44,820 at Lauder's gallery in New York. 633 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:48,020 There's tens of thousands of missing pieces, 634 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:49,780 and they're somewhere. 635 00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:51,500 Some were destroyed. 636 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:54,260 And we are looking at paintings from the film 637 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:57,220 and we have no idea where they are. 638 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:07,980 In 1987, I was in Austria as ambassador. 639 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:13,100 Someone told me, "Go to a convent, outside of Vienna." 640 00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:20,060 And I went there. 641 00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:28,020 They unlocked the door, all of a sudden, 642 00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:32,900 look inside, and there's row after row of paintings, furniture, 643 00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:36,820 silverware, pottery, rugs. 644 00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:40,180 I realise this was the depository 645 00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:43,140 of all the things stolen from Jewish homes 646 00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:47,580 that frankly no-one wanted, or no-one had the time to take. 647 00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,820 And I said, "This is important. 648 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:53,260 "This is like time stood still." 649 00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:59,580 It didn't look any different, I'm sure, in 1945, when the war was over. 650 00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:03,780 Someone just closed the door, put a key, locked it and left it. 651 00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:09,420 I bought 14 frames, empty frames. 652 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:14,180 They didn't want to transport the frame cos it was too big, 653 00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:16,820 so they took it out of the frame and they left the frame, 654 00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:18,460 they took the picture. 655 00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:21,180 We'll never know what pictures were in there. 656 00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:24,940 We put in the frames the names of paintings that are missing, 657 00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:27,780 that are most likely destroyed by the Nazis. 658 00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:33,300 And they must have been great paintings. 659 00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:37,660 There's one Beckmann of a beach scene that we never have found. 660 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:41,980 Now, either it was destroyed or it's in someone's home. 661 00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:05,380 Germany's brightest and best were exiled or killed during those years. 662 00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:11,180 Not just Jews and artists but radicals, scientists, dreamers. 663 00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:17,140 Germany has been haunted by their absence ever since, 664 00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:19,980 clinging on to what they created or collected, 665 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:21,980 as if to its own essence. 666 00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:24,700 Claiming their legacy as its own. 667 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:31,380 A thriving art world was decimated by the Nazis. 668 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,140 Collectors and dealers were very often Jewish. 669 00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:38,500 One rather callous collector said, "In these times, 670 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,100 "a collection of modern art that must be sold quickly 671 00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,780 "is nearly always a Jewish one, 672 00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:45,580 "whose owner had to pick up his walking stick." 673 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,780 And someone was always on hand when they did - 674 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:51,900 someone most of them already knew - 675 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:56,140 the sacked museum director turned art dealer, Hildebrand Gurlitt. 676 00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:01,220 His collections would fill the flat in Munich 677 00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:04,500 in which his son was discovered some 80 years later. 678 00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:09,140 He began buying from Jews who were in trouble. 679 00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:11,140 There are two ways of seeing this. 680 00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:14,740 After 1938, the Jews were not allowed to sell art, 681 00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:17,460 and Hildebrand Gurlitt was a risk taker, 682 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:20,940 so he bought from them, under value, 683 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,820 but, you know, they may not have been able to sell it at all 684 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:25,220 if he hadn't bought it. 685 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:28,620 So was he doing them a favour, or was he ripping them off? 686 00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:31,260 Both, I guess. 687 00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:34,980 One of the first to leave, in 1933, 688 00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:38,420 just as the Nazis took power, was Alfred Flechtheim. 689 00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:45,740 A real promoter of the avant garde, 690 00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:48,940 Flechtheim championed Picasso, Braque, Van Gogh 691 00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:51,380 and had a dozen Max Beckmanns. 692 00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:56,260 The plaque reads, "In this house lived from 1923 to '33, 693 00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:57,900 "Alfred Flechtheim, 694 00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,740 "art dealer, publisher and supporter of modern art." 695 00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:09,100 Flechtheim's descendants are now trying to reclaim 696 00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:13,260 the art he sold in a hurry as he grabbed his walking stick. 697 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:17,020 These drawings they got back and then gave, on loan, 698 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,260 to this museum in Cologne. 699 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:22,900 The family's lawyer has also been involved in the restitution 700 00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,420 of another of Flechtheim's artworks, 701 00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:27,740 The Lion Tamer by Max Beckmann. 702 00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:32,220 It was painted in 1930 and it was given 703 00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:34,860 to Alfred Flechtheim, 704 00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:38,500 the famous art dealer, who represented Beckmann at that time, 705 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:40,780 in order to pay off Beckmann's debts. 706 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,020 But now it was Flechtheim who needed money. 707 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:48,700 inflation and then the depression had damaged his business, 708 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:51,700 but far more importantly, he needed money to get away. 709 00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:55,380 He knew his days were numbered. 710 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:59,260 The Nazis hated him not only because he was Jewish 711 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:01,700 but especially because he represented 712 00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,860 what the Nazis later on called degenerate, 713 00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:07,100 and so he was in the headlines, 714 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,620 and the Nazis called for his extermination. 715 00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:15,500 As Flechtheim was preparing to flee, 716 00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,780 shortly before selling the bulk of his collection at auction, 717 00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:22,020 he sold Beckmann's Lion Tamer to Hildebrand Gurlitt. 718 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:26,580 In all these cases, the question to be answered is, 719 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:30,340 was it a forced sale, a sale under duress? 720 00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:33,580 Would they have sold were the Nazis not in power? 721 00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:38,500 If it's a forced sale, they should be given back. 722 00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,100 If someone was selling in 1933, 723 00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:44,300 it's far harder to prove that they were selling under duress, 724 00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:46,900 than if they were selling in 1938. 725 00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:48,740 It's very likely that they were. 726 00:50:51,260 --> 00:50:54,100 The usual argument to refuse restitution 727 00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,820 is that people would have sold anyway, 728 00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:00,620 Nazis or not, even if, like Flechtheim, 729 00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:02,380 they were on a Nazi death list. 730 00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:07,700 These sales come back to haunt people 731 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:09,660 working in the art trade today, 732 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:12,380 including firms like this one. 733 00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:16,500 Lempertz is an auction house that was established in the 19th century. 734 00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,100 It's the Hanstein family firm. 735 00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,900 It continued to trade throughout the Nazi years. 736 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:30,700 Max Beckmann's Lion Tamer would pass through their hands later, 737 00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:32,780 like a poisoned chalice. 738 00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:35,100 But when it did, they put it up for sale 739 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,380 with no suggestion that its origins might be tainted. 740 00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:43,060 Today the head of the family firm is Henrik Hanstein. 741 00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:48,300 Flechtheim had to leave Germany in 1933 742 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:51,340 because he was bankrupt and a Jew, 743 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:56,140 and, well, he left, fortunately, on time. 744 00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:59,660 But he sold, in the beginning of 1933, 745 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:04,500 the gouache of Max Beckmann, directly to Hildebrand Gurlitt. 746 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:08,020 You don't think that sale was a sale under duress? 747 00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:13,700 Hard to say. I don't know. 748 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,580 QUESTION ASKED IN GERMAN 749 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,420 I don't know. Maybe. 750 00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,380 More and more extortionate taxes were imposed on Jews, 751 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:32,780 as harassment and persecution increased. 752 00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:35,460 Including a hefty emigration tax. 753 00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:43,580 And this is Max Stern - another major Jewish art dealer, 754 00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:46,020 who had a fabulous private collection. 755 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:50,020 In 1937, Max Stern decided he had to get out. 756 00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:57,380 And it was Lempertz auction house that held a final sale. 757 00:52:57,380 --> 00:53:02,300 The Max Stern sale wasn't a forced sale. 758 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:07,140 He was under stress to sell, but it wasn't a classical forced sale. 759 00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:12,340 He gave by himself the order to sell the collection, 760 00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:15,500 he wrote the catalogue, he attended the preview, 761 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:20,140 he attended the auction and he got the result of the sale. 762 00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:22,340 And even when I had contact with him 763 00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:24,420 he also gave me the impression 764 00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:28,420 that he has been in a very thankful position against Lempertz 765 00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:30,300 and he said, "I'm very thankful 766 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:33,060 "that your grandfather did this sale for me." 767 00:53:33,060 --> 00:53:35,900 And he visited my grandfather after the war, 768 00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,020 thanking him for doing this sale for him. 769 00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:43,140 Here it is. This is the image of the work. 770 00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:45,140 And this is one of the paintings 771 00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:49,580 that Lempertz sold for Max Stern in 1937. 772 00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:51,420 Of course it was a forced sale. 773 00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:55,900 Because if he had not been forced to liquidate his business 774 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:59,980 to flee the country, he would not have sold his works. 775 00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:04,900 How could Professor Hanstein then say it wasn't a forced sale? 776 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:08,340 He made it sound like it was rather a civilised exchange, really. 777 00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:11,060 Yeah, this is something that I cannot really understand, 778 00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:13,180 I'm astonished that he's still denying it. 779 00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:18,940 The fact that Max Stern apparently knew the then-owner, 780 00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:24,740 Hanstein, that he participated in preparing the auction, 781 00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:29,780 does not... It's not an argument for saying that it's not a forced sale. 782 00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:32,260 It simply shows that he was trying to 783 00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:36,220 make the best out of a very bad situation that he had been in, 784 00:54:36,220 --> 00:54:38,140 not voluntarily. 785 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:42,780 Lempertz benefitted from the persecution of Max Stern 786 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:45,060 by conducting this auction, 787 00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:48,540 because they get their buyer's premium on every sale. 788 00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:52,340 One can say that the auction houses are always on the winning side. 789 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,860 The crucial issue that we face with auction houses like Lempertz, 790 00:54:59,860 --> 00:55:02,940 they only argue legally, 791 00:55:02,940 --> 00:55:08,220 and they never take into account the moral aspect. 792 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:12,660 Lempertz sold the art collection of Albert Speer, 793 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:14,740 who was one of Hitler's main helpers. 794 00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:19,780 Of course it might have been legally correct, 795 00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:23,620 but is this something one should do? I don't know. 796 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,420 Hildebrand Gurlitt succeeded in navigating 797 00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:33,420 these dangerous and conflicting currents. 798 00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:37,700 The Gurlitt family home was a fine house on this site, 799 00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:41,180 bombed out of existence in 1945. 800 00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:44,740 Just round the corner lived another Jewish collector 801 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:49,780 under pressure to sell up - the lawyer Fritz Glaser. 802 00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:53,860 When Hildebrand Gurlitt was a museum director, 803 00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:55,700 Glaser would lend him pictures. 804 00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,220 As well as works by Klee, Kandinsky and Nolde, 805 00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:05,420 Glaser had 60 by Otto Dix, who painted this portrait of the family. 806 00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:12,140 Besides being Jewish and collecting degenerate art, 807 00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:14,020 Glaser had defended communists, 808 00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:16,860 which didn't go down well with the Nazis either. 809 00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:20,620 He managed to hang on in Germany longer than most 810 00:56:20,620 --> 00:56:22,940 as his wife was not Jewish. 811 00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:25,780 It was a so-called "privileged mixed marriage". 812 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,700 TRANSLATION: Glaser was actually one of the first lawyers 813 00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,780 who lost his right to practise, in October 1933. 814 00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:38,820 So that meant he was no longer allowed 815 00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:40,820 to make an income from his profession. 816 00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:47,980 So he had to begin to sell his artworks. 817 00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:52,220 Sabine Rudolf is now trying to track down his pictures. 818 00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:55,660 13 have surfaced in the Cornelius Gurlitt hoard. 819 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:59,740 But her task is made much harder by the lack of records. 820 00:57:02,140 --> 00:57:04,620 TRANSLATION: As you know, from 1938, 821 00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:07,820 it was forbidden for Jews to sell artworks themselves. 822 00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:13,340 That's why Glaser left no invoices and receipts. 823 00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:19,260 Because he knew the Gestapo would come to his house, 824 00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:21,780 the Gestapo would go through everything. 825 00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:23,460 And if they found a receipt, 826 00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:26,180 they'd know he'd broken the law and he'd be deported. 827 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:35,460 The Nazis seized 1,000 paintings and drawings 828 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:37,380 from the Angermuseum in Erfurt, 829 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:41,180 of which Alfred Hess had been such a strong supporter. 830 00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:46,980 So these are the pictures confiscated in 1937. 831 00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:51,740 Here's a Kandinsky, there's a Feininger, 832 00:57:51,740 --> 00:57:55,380 Alfred Hess, Emil Nolde, 833 00:57:55,380 --> 00:58:00,700 again from Alfred Hess, another Nolde, 834 00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:04,900 Hess, that's Pechstein. 835 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,380 In 1937, the Gestapo come in here, 836 00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:13,300 they take the cream of your collection, 837 00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:16,540 but there is one great work of art you still have - 838 00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:19,060 you have the Heckelraum. Yes. 839 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:20,780 The Heckel room - like a chapel, 840 00:58:20,780 --> 00:58:23,900 covered in murals by the expressionist Erich Heckel, 841 00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,940 a symbolic response to the First World War 842 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,100 made possible by Alfred Hess. 843 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,700 This is a miracle that this is still existing. 844 00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,420 The temporary director of the museum 845 00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:38,380 had the idea to protect the Heckelraum 846 00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:42,260 by closing the whole space with a wall, 847 00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:46,940 and she put a medieval angel before it, guarding the Heckelraum. 848 00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:50,620 So when the Nazis came, they missed it. 849 00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:55,220 The angel may have saved the mural, 850 00:58:55,220 --> 00:58:58,980 but was not so successful with people. 851 00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:02,620 Tekla Hess's brother would be sent to Dachau. 852 00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:05,660 The family lawyer and the director of the shoe factory 853 00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:07,180 ended up in Buchenwald. 854 00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:15,620 The Hess's son Hans suffered persecution too - 855 00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:19,140 he lost his job at a Berlin publishing house in 1933, 856 00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:21,740 when all the Jews there were sacked. 857 00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,060 And he narrowly escaped arrest. 858 00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:30,180 TRANSLATION: He lived with a colleague of Bertolt Brecht. 859 00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:35,980 She was also under observation and subject to persecution. 860 00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:41,740 So their flat was raided and vandalised. 861 00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:48,140 His flatmate Elisabeth Hauptmann was taken away. 862 00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:51,900 They said they'd be back for the other one. 863 00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:55,420 Hans Hess fled Germany. 864 01:00:02,540 --> 01:00:07,420 His mother, Tekla Hess, struggled to save the family's art collection. 865 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:11,220 She sent it on loan to a museum in Switzerland, for safe-keeping. 866 01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,340 Then she too had a visit from the Gestapo. 867 01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:20,420 Under pressure, she brought almost all the pictures back to Germany. 868 01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:24,180 It was the beginning of the end of their collection. 869 01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:27,500 TRANSLATION: The works had barely reached Cologne 870 01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,620 when the news spread through the German collector scene like wildfire. 871 01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:37,780 "Here there are now totally wonderful great works 872 01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:39,740 "up for grabs at low prices." 873 01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:46,420 A chance to get highlights from Kirchner for a low sum, 874 01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:49,660 and the collectors came and snapped up these pictures. 875 01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:56,580 "They probably belong to Jewish people who had to get out," 876 01:00:56,580 --> 01:01:00,060 said Kirchner, whose Street Scene went to a non-Jewish collector. 877 01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:09,860 Tekla Hess moved to Bavaria to escape the Erfurt Nazis. 878 01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:14,820 Then in 1939 she fled, and joined her son Hans in England. 879 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:22,540 The final place of exile for many Jewish refugees 880 01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:24,580 was the United States. 881 01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:26,660 It's home to David Toren, 882 01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:30,580 one of the last to get out of Germany before the war. 883 01:01:30,580 --> 01:01:33,940 He's the boy whose great-uncle's painting 884 01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:37,900 Two Riders on the Beach turned up in Cornelius Gurlitt's flat. 885 01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:45,540 Until Kristallnacht in 1938, David Toren was at a mixed city school. 886 01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:50,780 With another kid, we were the only Jews in the whole school. 887 01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:53,820 We were bullied by the other kids, 888 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:57,060 and the teachers were awful, some of them. 889 01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:01,340 I got lots of what's called in German Ohrfeigen - 890 01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:03,900 slaps in the face. 891 01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:08,820 There was a history teacher whom I disliked intensely 892 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:11,740 and he said that Eden, 893 01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:17,620 that was the Foreign Secretary of Great Britain at the time, 894 01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:21,580 had a sister who was married to Stalin 895 01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:27,980 and they were planning, Eden and Stalin, to conquer the world. 896 01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:35,100 So in my innocence I piped up and said, "I don't think that is so, 897 01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:39,980 "I don't think that Eden has a sister that's married to Stalin." 898 01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:43,380 The guy got furious. 899 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:48,980 He asked me to come to the front of the class 900 01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:52,740 and he gave me Ohrfeigen left and right 901 01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:54,820 and told me not... 902 01:02:54,820 --> 01:03:00,900 To shut up and not to talk about things I knew nothing about. 903 01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:04,300 So I never said anything more in that class. 904 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:08,260 I left in August of '39. 905 01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:14,660 My father was convinced that war would break out this year 906 01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:19,220 and he wanted to get me and my brother out of Germany. 907 01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:27,300 So he found a place in a Kindertransport to Sweden. 908 01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:32,740 So David and his brother escaped. 909 01:03:32,740 --> 01:03:36,260 His great-uncle David and his parents were not so lucky. 910 01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:40,060 First, the Gestapo came after the art collection. 911 01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:45,660 "Breslau, December 1939. Subject: Securing Jewish holdings of art." 912 01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:52,540 The letter starts out by saying there's still some rich Jews left 913 01:03:52,540 --> 01:03:57,140 who, um, have rich art collections. 914 01:03:57,140 --> 01:04:00,620 And as first example he says 915 01:04:00,620 --> 01:04:04,100 "There's a Jew called David Friedmann," 916 01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,980 and even gives the address. 917 01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:09,780 It was in the villa in the city. 918 01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:14,580 Friedmann has a very good art collection 919 01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:17,060 and he starts listing it. 920 01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:19,460 French impressionists, 921 01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:23,540 like Pissarro, Rousseau, Courbet, 922 01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:27,180 Rafaelli, and then he says he has 923 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:30,060 two Max Liebermanns. 924 01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:34,220 One is called The Basket Weaver, the other one 925 01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:37,900 is called Riders On The Beach. 926 01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:43,900 The letter ends by saying, 927 01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:47,620 "I have warned David Friedman not to 928 01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:52,580 "dispose of any of this art until I come back." 929 01:04:56,980 --> 01:05:00,620 Just along the lake from the artist Max Liebermann's summer house 930 01:05:00,620 --> 01:05:04,340 is the mansion where the Wannsee conference was held in January, 931 01:05:04,340 --> 01:05:08,420 1942, declaring the final solution. 932 01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:10,980 The total elimination of the Jews. 933 01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:20,860 Both David Toren's parents were gassed in Auschwitz, in 1943. 934 01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:25,060 They actually sent me a postcard the day before... 935 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:30,580 that they would be resettled in the East, 936 01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:33,460 that was the term, "resettled". 937 01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:37,260 That's what the German used to tell them 938 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:39,540 what would to happen with them. 939 01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:44,820 So I had, in Sweden, I had a vision of nice little houses with 940 01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:49,900 flowerpots outside where they would live, you know? 941 01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:54,940 But I hadn't the foggiest idea that these were death camps with 942 01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:58,060 the gas chambers and crematoriums. 943 01:05:59,620 --> 01:06:01,700 His great uncle, David Friedmann, 944 01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:03,820 died just before he could be deported. 945 01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:08,740 His art collection was taken away on trucks. 946 01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:13,660 Liebermann's Two Riders on the Beach ended up with Hildebrand Gurlitt. 947 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,860 Liebermann dies 1935, what happens to his wife then? 948 01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:30,300 His wife has to suffer all this injustice 949 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:33,540 all German Jews have to suffer that time. 950 01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:35,980 She has to give up this house in 1940. 951 01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:42,060 She sits in her flat with some of his pictures, what she's got left. 952 01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:46,500 Yeah yeah...and more and more alone! 953 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,820 The only chance for her not to be deported to Theresienstadt 954 01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:52,700 was suicide in '43. 955 01:06:54,460 --> 01:06:56,300 A deplorable situation. 956 01:07:00,940 --> 01:07:04,020 TRANSLATION: The last portrait Max Liebermann painted of his wife 957 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,820 was one of the pictures left in the flat after Martha Liebermann 958 01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:08,900 killed herself there. 959 01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:13,820 He painted it in 1930 with the title "Martha Liebermann In The Armchair." 960 01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:21,300 You could say that Martha Liebermann 961 01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:24,060 ended her own life under this portrait. 962 01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:34,500 Sophie Lissitzky-Kuppers' art collection, 963 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:37,420 left on loan to the local museum, when she went 964 01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:40,780 to Russia in the '20s, was seized for the Degenerate art show. 965 01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:45,900 Her two sons from her first marriage had joined her in Siberia. 966 01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:49,420 She'd had another son with the artist El Lissitzky, 967 01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:51,860 who was now very ill with TB. 968 01:07:55,780 --> 01:08:00,140 Her son, Kurt, Anita's father, couldn't get on with Lissitzky. 969 01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:05,780 TRANSLATION: At some point they are 970 01:08:05,780 --> 01:08:08,020 said to have pulled guns out on each other. 971 01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:10,060 But that's all hearsay and long ago. 972 01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,460 All I knew was that this relationship was not 973 01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:17,980 particularly happy. 974 01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:26,100 So in 1935, as a teenager, Kurt went back alone to Germany. 975 01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,140 He returned just as others were struggling to get out. 976 01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:33,820 TRANSLATION: He'd come from the Soviet Union 977 01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:36,540 and thought, "I'll go back to my old homeland." 978 01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:43,380 When someone came from the Soviet Union to Nazi Germany, 979 01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:46,180 he never thought that he would be so conspicuous... 980 01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:51,580 ..and that lots of people would be 981 01:08:51,580 --> 01:08:54,300 paying attention to what he said and what he got up to. 982 01:08:56,980 --> 01:09:01,220 To start with he was sent to a work camp. 983 01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:03,780 And then he was sent to a concentration camp, 984 01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:08,380 due to his refusal to fight in the war and his pro-Soviet propaganda. 985 01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,220 During the war, Lissitzky died of pneumonia 986 01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:16,220 and Sophie was sent to Siberia. 987 01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:24,380 TRANSLATION: The Germans were expelled from Moscow. 988 01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:30,860 They were the enemy and had to be sent a long way away, 989 01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:33,140 so they were all deported. 990 01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:35,940 She was given two days' grace and allowed to take her son, 991 01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:38,580 I mean, Jen Lissitzky, with her. 992 01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:41,460 At that point he was still small. 993 01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:43,860 And she also took a canary and a blanket. 994 01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:46,860 That was all she had to start a new life in Siberia with. 995 01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:52,220 She always told the story about the way 996 01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:57,100 she got sent away with the boy, a canary and a blanket and that 997 01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:00,140 the bird died on the journey. 998 01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:01,780 It froze to death. 999 01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:08,420 The other son died in the Soviet Union, in an internment camp, 1000 01:10:08,420 --> 01:10:10,140 because he was a German. 1001 01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:20,620 So both boys had bad experiences. 1002 01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:25,540 Although, what could have been right at that time? 1003 01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:28,980 That's the proof that you can take different paths 1004 01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:31,780 and nonetheless end up with the same fate. 1005 01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:40,540 All the horrors of the 20th century are summed up in Sophie's 1006 01:10:40,540 --> 01:10:42,380 family story. 1007 01:10:42,380 --> 01:10:44,300 All the more grotesque, then, 1008 01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:47,660 that back in Germany, Hildebrand Gurlitt and the other dealers 1009 01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:51,740 were already making hay with Sophie's art collection. 1010 01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:53,980 After the Degenerate art show, 1011 01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:57,860 it should have been returned to her as it was her private property. 1012 01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:06,380 It was robbed by the Nazis. They didn't do 1013 01:11:06,380 --> 01:11:10,740 anything against it, since she was a German enemy, as a communist living 1014 01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:13,820 in Russia, they looked at her as a 1015 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:16,900 betrayer of national socialism. 1016 01:11:18,940 --> 01:11:20,860 Paul Klee's Swamp Legend, 1017 01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:23,700 which Sophie and her first husband had bought 1018 01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:28,140 direct from the artist in his Munich studio, was picked up by Gurlitt. 1019 01:11:29,740 --> 01:11:32,540 Hildebrand Gurlitt bought the Klee 1020 01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:35,980 and many other paintings far below the market value, because it 1021 01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:39,820 was degenerate art, because the Nazis wanted to get rid of it. 1022 01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:44,900 And that's how Gurlitt and people like him made their profit. 1023 01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:52,860 Another of Goebbels's four appointed dealers, Ferdinand Moeller, bought 1024 01:11:52,860 --> 01:11:57,300 the Kandinsky that used to hang in Sophie and Paul's flat in Hannover. 1025 01:12:03,140 --> 01:12:06,580 Gurlitt was running his own gallery in Hamburg. 1026 01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:10,540 He was selling art to collectors, secretly, clandestinely. 1027 01:12:10,540 --> 01:12:14,300 He had one room full of all the 19th century artworks 1028 01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,460 that was acceptable to the Nazis 1029 01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:19,660 and then a backroom where he dealt in all this expressionist art. 1030 01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:24,780 There were still collectors, amazingly, 1031 01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:26,500 still brave enough to buy this art. 1032 01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:33,860 He ran that gallery until he got bombed out 1033 01:12:33,860 --> 01:12:35,900 of his Hamburg apartment... 1034 01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:42,100 ..and he moved back to Dresden. 1035 01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:47,420 And Dresden was the centre of power for the art world in Nazi Germany. 1036 01:12:50,180 --> 01:12:53,220 He climbed up the career ladder 1037 01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:59,100 and became one of the main art dealers to buy 1038 01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:03,740 art from all over Europe for the planned Fuhrer Museum. 1039 01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:10,220 This was Hitler's pet project, though it never came to fruition. 1040 01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:13,500 This museum in his childhood hometown of Linz was to 1041 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:17,980 display the wealth and grandeur of the Thousand Year Reich. 1042 01:13:17,980 --> 01:13:21,660 The masterpieces of the whole world - largely looted, 1043 01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:24,100 or bought in exchange for degenerate art. 1044 01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:35,060 But in February 1945, Dresden too was bombed. 1045 01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:40,740 The Russians were advancing from the East. 1046 01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:43,540 Hildebrand Gurlitt fled. 1047 01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:47,220 Ironically, the Dresden bombing saved the life of his neighbour, 1048 01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:49,180 Fritz Glaser. 1049 01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:52,020 It came just as he was to be sent to Auschwitz. 1050 01:13:58,220 --> 01:14:01,460 The end of the war would prove a false dawn for those whose 1051 01:14:01,460 --> 01:14:03,700 art had been plundered. 1052 01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:07,260 Next week, in Sins of the Fathers, we follow the trail 1053 01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:10,100 of the lost art and of Hildebrand Gurlitt. 1054 01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:14,420 How did it happen that his son was found 60 years later, holed up 1055 01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:17,500 with his father's treasure trove? 1056 01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:19,820 TV: Nearly 1,500 priceless paintings have been 1057 01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:22,460 discovered at a house in Germany... 1058 01:14:22,460 --> 01:14:24,980 The week after the story broke, the Deputy Director 1059 01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:27,940 of The Belvedere Museum, in Vienna said, "I don't know what all 1060 01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:31,540 "the fuss is about, everybody knows about the Gurlitt art collection." 1061 01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:35,380 It indicated this huge division that there is between those 1062 01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:39,620 people in the art world who know where the bodies are buried. 1063 01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:43,500 And those people who've been searching for their art for so long 1064 01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:47,140 who have no idea where it is and nobody will tell them where it is. 1065 01:14:52,020 --> 01:14:56,060 It's a story of complicity, cover up and denial. 91211

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.