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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:47,889 XFM, 104. 9. 2 00:00:48,006 --> 00:00:50,634 I'm Ricky Gervais. With me Steve Merchant. 3 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:53,228 I'll tell you what. I was walking here today, 4 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:56,394 and the West End is crammed. 5 00:00:56,515 --> 00:00:59,109 There's helicopters. There's police. 6 00:00:59,226 --> 00:01:02,355 There's about a million people sort of just milling around, 7 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:04,277 standing around with placards and stuff. 8 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:07,368 They've got too much time on their hands. They need a war. 9 00:01:07,484 --> 00:01:10,033 You don't read the newspapers, do you? 10 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:11,746 Boring. 11 00:01:11,863 --> 00:01:14,491 BBC Radio Four. 12 00:01:14,616 --> 00:01:17,791 What's thought to be the biggest demonstration in British history 13 00:01:17,911 --> 00:01:19,254 is taking place in Central London. 14 00:01:19,371 --> 00:01:21,624 The organizers say nearly two million people 15 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:25,002 have gathered to oppose war against Iraq. 16 00:01:25,127 --> 00:01:28,131 From Auckland to Athens, Berlin to Bangkok, 17 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:31,134 some 600 cities across the world. 18 00:01:32,301 --> 00:01:33,644 Can you do that again? 19 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,310 15th of February 2003. 20 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:40,401 We're in London, just outside Trafalgar Square. 21 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:42,235 It's the anti-war march. 22 00:01:42,352 --> 00:01:45,401 There's lots and lots of people here. 23 00:01:47,232 --> 00:01:49,234 It's a terrible legacy... 24 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,659 ...for those people who died on 9/11, 25 00:01:52,779 --> 00:01:55,202 that we're now killing more people in their name. 26 00:01:55,324 --> 00:01:57,668 That's my opinion, anyway. 27 00:01:58,827 --> 00:02:04,300 February 15th was the single largest mobilization of people 28 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:07,420 in the history of humanity, bar none. 29 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:11,882 It was the biggest demonstration coordinated 30 00:02:12,007 --> 00:02:14,135 in the history of the whole Earth. 31 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,438 Do you think we can stop this war? 32 00:02:18,555 --> 00:02:20,603 I think if we tried really hard, yeah. 33 00:02:20,724 --> 00:02:23,318 I think we can stop this war. 34 00:02:25,812 --> 00:02:29,112 The Prime Minister avoided the protestors outside 35 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:31,610 chanting "No blood for oil." 36 00:02:31,735 --> 00:02:34,739 Millions of British people telling you we don't want this war. 37 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:36,365 Now will you listen? 38 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:39,960 Listen to the people, Tony. Listen to the people. 39 00:02:40,077 --> 00:02:44,583 This is a battle with only one outcome. 40 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:47,084 Our victory, not theirs. 41 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:53,887 Something began on that day that, uh... that cannot be reversed. 42 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:05,356 Whoo! 43 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:28,606 I was in New York. I'm a New Yorker. 44 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:33,323 I work as a nurse practitioner, and I was at work that day. 45 00:04:38,028 --> 00:04:41,828 I was at work at Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma. 46 00:04:41,948 --> 00:04:43,700 It was an ordinary day. 47 00:04:46,703 --> 00:04:51,049 I was in an airplane on my way from Stockholm to New York. 48 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:55,171 And I remember waking up in the morning, early, jetlagged, 49 00:04:55,295 --> 00:05:00,552 and I went out jogging, and I came in and turned on the news. 50 00:05:01,968 --> 00:05:05,689 I'm going to interrupt because of the latest news. 51 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:08,730 A plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. 52 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,773 We've got Warner on the phone, 53 00:05:10,894 --> 00:05:12,567 who's watching and looking at it right now. 54 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:15,782 You can see the fire, you can see the smoke. 55 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:19,028 I mean, it's a monster hole, you know. 56 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:21,242 Oh, my God. 57 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:25,492 That looks like a second plane. 58 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:29,459 Oh, my God. 59 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:34,676 The second tower has exploded in a gargantuan explosion! 60 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:39,640 And at that point I didn't know that my brother was at the Trade Center. 61 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,603 It was horrific. 62 00:05:54,646 --> 00:05:57,775 And I knew, I knew in a flash, 63 00:05:57,899 --> 00:06:00,152 whatever was happening at that moment, 64 00:06:00,277 --> 00:06:03,156 this was the beginning of something even worse. 65 00:06:10,287 --> 00:06:13,040 The deliberate and deadly attacks 66 00:06:13,164 --> 00:06:16,384 which were carried out yesterday against our country 67 00:06:16,501 --> 00:06:18,674 were more than acts of terror. 68 00:06:18,795 --> 00:06:20,468 They were acts of war. 69 00:06:20,589 --> 00:06:25,140 September 12th 2001, was the day that changed the world. 70 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:26,807 Not September 11th. 71 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:31,354 Because that was the day that George W Bush announced to the world 72 00:06:31,474 --> 00:06:36,071 that the answer to this huge crime would be our war. 73 00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:37,689 It was downhill after that. 74 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:41,034 The evidence now shows that on the very... 75 00:06:41,151 --> 00:06:43,370 Well, within 24 hours of the attack, 76 00:06:43,486 --> 00:06:46,285 they had basically decided to attack Iraq. 77 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:47,908 Was it Cheney or Rumsfeld, one of those, 78 00:06:48,033 --> 00:06:50,877 at the first meeting after the attack on the Twin Towers, 79 00:06:50,994 --> 00:06:52,621 said, "That's it, let's go for Iraq?" 80 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:55,841 And now's an opportunity 81 00:06:55,957 --> 00:07:00,007 to do, uh, generations a favor 82 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:04,133 by coming together and whipping terrorism. 83 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:06,510 It is a long-term campaign 84 00:07:06,635 --> 00:07:09,514 which is why we are characterizing it as a war. 85 00:07:09,638 --> 00:07:11,606 Your loss we count as our loss. 86 00:07:12,724 --> 00:07:15,227 Your struggle we take as our struggle. 87 00:07:15,352 --> 00:07:18,105 Now that war has been declared on us, 88 00:07:18,229 --> 00:07:22,154 we will lead the world to victory, to victory. 89 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:25,870 This is a moment to seize. 90 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:29,457 The kaleidoscope has been shaken. The pieces are in flux. 91 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:32,123 Soon they will settle again. 92 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:36,965 Before they do, let us reorder this world around us. 93 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,389 We were fearful. We were concerned. 94 00:07:44,506 --> 00:07:49,353 We were anxious about the way that the US was going to retaliate, 95 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,268 and we had very little confidence they were gonna behave sensibly. 96 00:07:54,391 --> 00:07:57,645 Over a few days, we started talking on the phone, 97 00:07:57,769 --> 00:07:59,737 getting together, and said "Look, 98 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:04,075 we're gonna set up a Stop The War Coalition." 99 00:08:04,192 --> 00:08:06,115 They set up the Stop The War Coalition. 100 00:08:06,236 --> 00:08:09,206 They asked me to be president of it, which I very happily accepted. 101 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:12,201 And there was a meeting called. 102 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:14,874 They knew immediately that there was going to be a war, 103 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:18,465 and so they had a meeting in Friends House here. 104 00:08:18,581 --> 00:08:22,461 I attended that meeting. It was amazing. 105 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:27,637 Hall after hall after hall. The entire building was taken over. 106 00:08:29,217 --> 00:08:31,766 It took just five days to organize, 107 00:08:31,886 --> 00:08:36,312 but the Stop The War protest and meeting attracted so many people, 108 00:08:36,433 --> 00:08:38,810 they had to close the doors. 109 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:42,697 I wrote a leaflet for that meeting, 110 00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:45,567 and the title of the meeting was "Stop The War Before It Starts." 111 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:47,114 That's what was on the leaflet. 112 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:49,954 And that's why it became the Stop The War Coalition. 113 00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:54,122 It's just absolutely unbelievable 114 00:08:54,242 --> 00:08:59,624 that that particular event triggered such a momentous movement. 115 00:09:03,043 --> 00:09:07,389 The war on terrorism begins. America and Britain strike Afghanistan. 116 00:09:07,505 --> 00:09:10,475 President Bush says the campaign will be sustained, 117 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:12,720 comprehensive and relentless. 118 00:09:14,471 --> 00:09:17,566 Afghanistan, I was completely gung-ho for it. 119 00:09:20,435 --> 00:09:22,654 We were excited to be doing our job 120 00:09:22,771 --> 00:09:26,617 and exacting retribution on the enemy for 9/11. 121 00:09:28,318 --> 00:09:31,822 And in fact, I even had pictures of myself on a ladder 122 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:35,166 in the bomb bay of a B-1 bomber signing bombs. 123 00:09:37,702 --> 00:09:39,704 Various obscenities 124 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:44,005 and things like "This is for my sister in New York City." 125 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:51,717 It became clear that phase one was going to be Afghanistan, 126 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:55,141 and, of course, it wasn't going to take much to defeat the Taliban. 127 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:59,687 It wasn't much of a war, and it wasn't said, 128 00:09:59,808 --> 00:10:02,982 but the sense was there wasn't much glory in it, either. 129 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:08,359 It didn't somehow answer 9/11, 130 00:10:08,483 --> 00:10:12,704 and that's when the talk of phase two began. 131 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:16,951 My fellow Americans, let's roll. 132 00:10:24,666 --> 00:10:32,642 Bush came up with his extraordinary speech in January 2002. 133 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:36,307 Our war against terror is only beginning. 134 00:10:36,427 --> 00:10:40,148 Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America 135 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:41,733 and to support terror. 136 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:45,775 States like these and their terrorist allies 137 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:48,819 constitute an axis of evil. 138 00:10:53,528 --> 00:10:56,077 We wanted connection with 9/11, 139 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:58,871 and we pressed that and pressed that and pressed that 140 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:01,586 until we lied to the American people. 141 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:05,003 I mean, we had something like 51 to 60 percent of the American people 142 00:11:05,123 --> 00:11:09,594 believing that Saddam Hussein was connected with 9/11. 143 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:16,059 From then on we're building up towards a war with Iraq, 144 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:21,808 and we now know how closely involved the British Government was with this. 145 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:26,186 But to allow weapons of mass destruction to be developed by a state like Iraq, 146 00:11:26,311 --> 00:11:29,064 without let or hindrance, 147 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:33,114 would be grossly to ignore the lessons of September 11th, 148 00:11:33,234 --> 00:11:35,032 and we will not do it. 149 00:11:35,153 --> 00:11:38,248 We were sharing intelligence. We were sharing preparations 150 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:43,495 for the kind of marketing campaign we'd do if we decided to go to war. 151 00:11:53,755 --> 00:11:55,302 The weapons of mass destruction 152 00:11:55,423 --> 00:11:58,302 was an important thing to hold up to the public, 153 00:11:58,426 --> 00:12:02,101 and I'm not saying that they were in bad faith, 154 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:05,066 but they had many other reasons that pushed them about, 155 00:12:05,183 --> 00:12:07,311 and about which they didn't talk. 156 00:12:14,609 --> 00:12:17,453 8:00. The first element of the government's strategy 157 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:19,698 for winning over the doubters was released. 158 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:23,122 MPs had three and a half hours to read the dossier. 159 00:12:24,702 --> 00:12:26,625 This dossier is based on the work 160 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:28,965 of the British Joint Intelligence Committee. 161 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:34,088 It is extensive, detailed and authoritative. 162 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:39,184 It concludes that Iraq has chemical and biological weapons. 163 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:42,804 That Saddam has continued to produce them. 164 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:45,682 That he has existing and active military plans 165 00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:48,731 for the use of chemical and biological weapons, 166 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:51,821 which could be activated within 45 minutes, 167 00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:55,067 including against his own Shia population. 168 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:57,159 They were 100 percent sure 169 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,200 that there were weapons of mass destruction. 170 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,073 They had zero percent of knowledge where they were. 171 00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:04,576 I felt I knew what had happened 172 00:13:04,701 --> 00:13:08,956 in the creation of an interior group of knowing people. 173 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,300 So what was going on in the corridors of power was, 174 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:13,839 "I've been there." 175 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,304 "I've been to the Secret Service headquarters." 176 00:13:16,421 --> 00:13:18,014 "I've seen the papers." 177 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,225 "If you'd seen what I've seen, 178 00:13:20,341 --> 00:13:22,343 you'd know how to go through those corridors." 179 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:27,440 So there was the creation of a bunch of insiders 180 00:13:27,557 --> 00:13:33,655 who were also, in a sense, distributing the same lie. 181 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:35,648 The intelligence was never there. 182 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:42,947 I remember the dodgy dossier. 183 00:13:43,072 --> 00:13:45,416 I remember the front page on the Evening Standard. 184 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:47,160 I've got it somewhere in this room. 185 00:13:47,285 --> 00:13:49,413 I remember keeping it, you know, 186 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:52,586 that Iraq could attack within 45 minutes or something. 187 00:13:52,707 --> 00:13:57,429 Those 45 minutes, I think, was what really became famous 188 00:13:57,545 --> 00:14:01,891 because they wanted to create a fear. 189 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:05,808 I remember hearing it on the news and thinking, "45 minutes to attack?" 190 00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:08,852 "That... that's quite a peril." 191 00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:12,193 You just read that, and that seemed pretty far-reaching, 192 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:14,483 but you didn't know what information they had. 193 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:18,984 You don't want to disbelieve a Prime Minister 194 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:21,076 when a Prime Minister puts out a document like that 195 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:22,571 from 10 Downing Street. 196 00:14:24,781 --> 00:14:29,127 I really wanted to find out what the evidence was. 197 00:14:29,243 --> 00:14:33,123 So I wrote to the government and I got a copy of the dossier. 198 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:37,127 And I thought, "OK, this is all very technical." 199 00:14:37,251 --> 00:14:38,878 "Can I check any of this?" 200 00:14:39,003 --> 00:14:42,758 So I found two weapons inspectors, 201 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:47,729 and I asked them, "How valid are these documents?" 202 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:50,940 And they said, "Well, we know this isn't true, 203 00:14:51,057 --> 00:14:53,401 we know that's not true, we know this isn't true." 204 00:14:53,518 --> 00:14:54,940 Order! 205 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:57,905 Now, it's amazing to me that I could do that, 206 00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:01,526 and yet none of the MPs seemed to be able to do it. 207 00:15:01,651 --> 00:15:05,576 I think it also destroyed Mr. Blair's credibility. 208 00:15:05,696 --> 00:15:10,623 He lost his credibility in those 45 minutes, actually. 209 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:12,541 It sort of completely caused me 210 00:15:12,662 --> 00:15:15,541 to become a different person politically... 211 00:15:16,707 --> 00:15:23,386 because I had to come to terms with the fact, as a Conservative, 212 00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:28,228 that the institutions of the British state had set out to tell lies. 213 00:15:28,344 --> 00:15:31,689 That is finally the bottom line. 214 00:15:31,806 --> 00:15:34,229 Lied to in order to go to war. 215 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:35,852 There was a grand deception 216 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:42,826 in which we all share various amounts of, uh, responsibility 217 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:49,541 and, uh, in which we, everybody, didn't do their job. 218 00:15:51,701 --> 00:15:57,504 In the United States the lies were told endlessly, 219 00:15:57,623 --> 00:16:02,174 and in Britain, the Murdoch Press, 220 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:05,424 the Murdoch television networks, 221 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:10,395 some parts of the BBC, all played the game. 222 00:16:10,511 --> 00:16:13,355 So, the military industrial complex is also, 223 00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:18,730 you know, has its analogue in the press, the media industrial complex. 224 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:24,568 America and our allies are called once again... 225 00:16:26,027 --> 00:16:30,908 to defend the peace against an aggressive tyrant. 226 00:16:31,032 --> 00:16:34,345 And we accept this responsibility. 227 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:39,670 I remember saying... 228 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:41,713 I don't know whether you can say this on tape. 229 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:45,304 But, "This bastard is actually gonna take us to war." 230 00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:46,843 "This is not just rhetoric." 231 00:16:46,964 --> 00:16:49,638 I remember having these debates a year before the invasion, 232 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:51,386 and we'd say, "Oh, my God, 233 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:53,479 it looks like they're really going to invade Iraq," 234 00:16:53,596 --> 00:16:54,688 and everyone would say, 235 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:56,899 "Well, they're not that crazy. It couldn't happen." 236 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:02,940 US Central Command has been moving aircraft carriers 237 00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:05,362 and war planes closer to Iraq. 238 00:17:05,483 --> 00:17:09,113 Now 600 of its specialists are to move themselves 239 00:17:09,237 --> 00:17:12,707 to within a few hundred miles of Iraq. 240 00:17:12,823 --> 00:17:17,249 And so the global military enterprise snaps into action. 241 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,507 The public doesn't know about it. 242 00:17:21,624 --> 00:17:23,922 You can see pieces of it here and there. 243 00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:29,761 Units are being mobilized. Tanks are loading on ships. 244 00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:34,061 The Marines are loading up. You can see pieces of it. 245 00:17:36,681 --> 00:17:40,311 The bombing increased over Iraq about 500 percent 246 00:17:40,434 --> 00:17:42,812 during the fall of 2002... 247 00:17:44,105 --> 00:17:46,449 with the purpose of trying to goad Saddam Hussein 248 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:49,536 into retaliating, to give us a reason to go to war. 249 00:17:49,652 --> 00:17:52,326 And then I saw that. I was witness to that. 250 00:17:52,446 --> 00:17:55,040 But the President's still saying, you know, "It may not..." 251 00:17:55,157 --> 00:17:56,784 "I hope it doesn't come to war." 252 00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:59,128 President Bush knows the real battle 253 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,589 is to win support of the United Nations. 254 00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:04,550 When I saw Bush on TV saying, "We're gonna try diplomacy first," 255 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:06,635 but then I saw the reality on the ground, 256 00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:10,882 something didn't sit right with me, and I knew there was more to the story. 257 00:18:11,007 --> 00:18:16,355 On some level, globally, people knew that this was not true, 258 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:19,895 and I think that's what led to February 15th 259 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:23,020 and the massive show on the streets 260 00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:27,490 was because people felt like something's not right. 261 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:31,453 Before our kids start coming home from Iraq in body bags 262 00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:34,743 and women and children start dying in Baghdad, 263 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:39,040 I need to know, what did Iraq do to us? 264 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,666 We had never raised money for an ad before, 265 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:47,589 and we proposed this "Let the Inspections Work" ad, 266 00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:49,758 sent it out to our members hoping to raise, 267 00:18:49,879 --> 00:18:51,756 you know, $20,000, $40,000. 268 00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:54,179 And we raised $400,000. 269 00:18:55,384 --> 00:18:57,182 And we made the ads, 270 00:18:57,303 --> 00:19:00,273 and we figured out everything we could possibly do 271 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:05,270 to build opposition to going to war. 272 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:12,243 We organized demonstrations, and it got bigger and bigger and bigger. 273 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,076 Packing the streets to stop the war, 274 00:19:16,197 --> 00:19:18,575 the organizers of today's rally 275 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:23,546 claim 300,000 people turned out to show their anger over Iraq. 276 00:19:23,663 --> 00:19:26,633 I am in total opposition to the war. 277 00:19:26,749 --> 00:19:31,505 I think it's an obscenity, and I think Blair is a scoundrel. 278 00:19:33,381 --> 00:19:35,930 The troop movements began to get underway, 279 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:37,973 and that's when we really moved quickly 280 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:40,938 to form the coalitions in the US and internationally. 281 00:19:41,055 --> 00:19:45,526 It took a lot of courage for people to raise their voices early on, 282 00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:50,319 prior to February 15th 2003. 283 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,494 People were afraid to speak. 284 00:19:55,611 --> 00:19:58,285 They were afraid of being called unpatriotic. 285 00:19:58,406 --> 00:20:00,659 The Bush Administration and Saddam Hussein 286 00:20:00,783 --> 00:20:03,502 are not the only ones cranking up the talk about war. 287 00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:07,089 So are American opponents of war with Iraq. 288 00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:11,886 We have a President that is sending the ships, 289 00:20:12,002 --> 00:20:15,973 sending the war machines, sending the bombs, sending the troops. 290 00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:18,809 And look what we have growing here at home. 291 00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:21,600 A mass, beautiful movement 292 00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:24,520 that's gonna stop them from dropping those bombs. 293 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,984 I'm becoming consumed with the thought 294 00:20:27,101 --> 00:20:29,820 that our country may soon be at war, 295 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,531 waged partially in my brother's name 296 00:20:32,648 --> 00:20:37,324 and the names of thousands killed last year in the terror attacks. 297 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:39,038 We had to do something. 298 00:20:39,155 --> 00:20:42,375 To sit back and not do anything was unbearable. 299 00:20:42,491 --> 00:20:47,338 We, as a civilized people, must know better and do better. 300 00:20:47,455 --> 00:20:49,799 We must be a greater nation than that. 301 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:55,050 You build confidence, and all of a sudden you start daring 302 00:20:55,171 --> 00:20:59,267 to do stuff that you never ever thought possible in the past. 303 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:03,889 And the next step was to call for a global day of demonstrations. 304 00:21:04,013 --> 00:21:06,186 I mean, I don't know what we were thinking, actually, 305 00:21:06,307 --> 00:21:08,230 that there could be even a global demonstration. 306 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:10,023 I mean, nobody had ever done that. 307 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:12,613 It was a, you know, completely left-field idea 308 00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,198 even for us, and we'd had a few. 309 00:21:14,315 --> 00:21:19,572 And that day was put at 15th of February. 310 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,499 So we started thinking together what to do, what to do. 311 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:37,381 We had a very strong European network. 312 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,558 At the end of the European Social Forum, 313 00:21:41,675 --> 00:21:45,020 we had a massive assembly in a disused railway station. 314 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:49,108 There were thousands and thousands of people packed into this meeting. 315 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:53,696 We made the announcement to say we have to make February 15th 316 00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:57,534 into the biggest day of global protest there has ever been. 317 00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:03,123 I now hand over to my final speaker on European coordination, 318 00:22:03,239 --> 00:22:04,911 Raffaella. 319 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:11,460 To all citizens of Europe, 320 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:16,051 we call on the movement and the citizens of Europe 321 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:18,387 to start from now 322 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:23,931 organizing European anti-war demonstrations 323 00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:29,399 in every capital on February 15. 324 00:22:29,515 --> 00:22:32,314 We can stop this war. 325 00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,612 And the response was just overwhelming. 326 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,201 It was absolutely tremendous. 327 00:22:41,318 --> 00:22:44,743 You need a moment in which somebody says "Yes, we can," 328 00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:46,741 and so you start. 329 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:51,246 And after that, we knew that this day was going to be something special, 330 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,023 something the world had never seen before. 331 00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:21,363 The Stop The War Coalition has been meeting in London 332 00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:24,987 to make plans for a demonstration against war with Iraq. 333 00:23:25,112 --> 00:23:28,161 The London demonstration is due to take place on February 15th 334 00:23:28,282 --> 00:23:32,287 to coincide with marches in several other European capitals. 335 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:42,554 Somebody said, I don't even remember now who it was, 336 00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:45,470 that they had heard that folks in Europe were planning 337 00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:50,597 for a day of international demonstrations on February 15th 338 00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:54,476 against the war, and we said, "Oh, OK, let's do that." 339 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,570 The notion that we could pull this off on a global level... 340 00:23:57,686 --> 00:24:02,066 Oh, my God, this was huge. This was an enormous challenge. 341 00:24:02,191 --> 00:24:06,116 The notion that we were part of something global 342 00:24:06,236 --> 00:24:09,911 was terrifying and thrilling all at the same time. 343 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,167 And Saddam Hussein must understand 344 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:20,509 that if he does not disarm for the sake of peace, 345 00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:25,052 we, along with others, will go disarm Saddam Hussein. 346 00:24:25,172 --> 00:24:27,220 This is a matter of weeks, not months. 347 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,184 It was only much later 348 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:38,937 that I came across the single most devastating document, 349 00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:44,443 which is the legal memorandum written by Lord Goldsmith, 350 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:48,787 in which Lord Goldsmith tells the British Prime Minister, 351 00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:53,660 "You cannot use force without a further Security Council resolution." 352 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:59,006 If you go down the document, at paragraph four, 353 00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:01,842 you've got Lord Goldsmith telling the Prime Minister, 354 00:25:01,959 --> 00:25:03,802 "I remain of the view 355 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:08,095 that the correct legal interpretation of Resolution 1441 356 00:25:08,215 --> 00:25:11,890 is that it does not authorize the use of military force 357 00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,981 without a further determination by the Security Council." 358 00:25:15,097 --> 00:25:18,226 And just to the left of that, a little scribble. 359 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,569 "I just don't understand this." 360 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:25,237 Who wrote that? Tony Blair wrote that. And then the document was filed away. 361 00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:28,987 The timing of the document is very significant. 362 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:32,206 It was written and signed off on 30th January. 363 00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:35,917 The next day, 31st January, 364 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:40,211 the British Prime Minister met the American President in the White House, 365 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:46,963 and I've seen the internal British note of the meeting 366 00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:50,057 prepared by Sir David Manning. 367 00:25:50,174 --> 00:25:53,269 And that note makes very clear, 368 00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:56,730 beyond any possible dispute, two things. 369 00:25:56,847 --> 00:26:01,648 First, by 31st January, President Bush had decided 370 00:26:01,769 --> 00:26:05,273 that the war on Iraq would begin in March 371 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:09,152 with or without a further Security Council resolution. 372 00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:14,157 And second point, Tony Blair told Bush at that meeting 373 00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:17,376 he was with him, whatever happened. 374 00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:27,090 I do remember the steady drumbeat to war. 375 00:26:27,211 --> 00:26:29,930 There was one sane voice in that crowd, 376 00:26:30,047 --> 00:26:34,223 and I remember talking to my dad on the phone from Saudi Arabia 377 00:26:34,343 --> 00:26:37,313 and saying, you know, Colin Powell is the only one 378 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,102 that's gonna be able to stop this. 379 00:26:44,728 --> 00:26:47,527 It was the moment the world has waited for. 380 00:26:47,648 --> 00:26:52,529 America's best case against Iraq, made by its top diplomat. 381 00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:55,406 When the Secretary finished his dress rehearsal, 382 00:26:55,531 --> 00:26:58,751 the night before the presentation to the Security Council, 383 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:01,370 he looked at his watch. It was a little long. 384 00:27:01,495 --> 00:27:02,963 He looked at me, 385 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,503 and he turned to Mr. Tenet, the Director of the CIA, 386 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:10,050 and he said, "George, you stand by everything 387 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:13,299 that I just said, right?" 388 00:27:13,423 --> 00:27:18,224 And Mr. Tenet said, "I'm telling you, what you just gave is solid." 389 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:22,350 And he's telling the Secretary of State it's a slam dunk. 390 00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:24,647 Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. 391 00:27:24,768 --> 00:27:26,816 I mean, that's not the exact language 392 00:27:26,937 --> 00:27:29,861 George used with the Secretary, but it was like that. 393 00:27:29,982 --> 00:27:32,326 And then the Secretary looked at him 394 00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:34,410 and got this smile on his face, and he said, 395 00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:36,781 "Well, George, you're gonna be with me tomorrow." 396 00:27:36,905 --> 00:27:38,999 "You're gonna be in camera." 397 00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:40,914 That sort of surprised Mr. Tenet 398 00:27:41,034 --> 00:27:45,084 cos generally you don't put the Director of the CIA on television. 399 00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:47,082 But you look at that film, and you will see 400 00:27:47,207 --> 00:27:49,801 that George Tenet is right over the Secretary's shoulder. 401 00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:52,888 Saddam Hussein and his regime have made no effort, 402 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:58,557 no effort to disarm as required by the international community. 403 00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:01,476 We have diagrammed what our sources reported 404 00:28:01,597 --> 00:28:03,144 about these mobile facilities. 405 00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:07,441 Colin Powell made his extraordinary speech to the UN, 406 00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:09,234 in which there were sort of ice cream vans 407 00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:13,450 which we were told were biological weapons things. 408 00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:16,320 They looked, actually, quite like ice cream vans to me. 409 00:28:16,445 --> 00:28:18,493 They may well have been ice cream vans. 410 00:28:18,614 --> 00:28:21,083 What you're about to hear is a conversation 411 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,952 that my government monitored. 412 00:28:23,076 --> 00:28:25,374 "We have this modified vehicle." 413 00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:28,169 "What do we say if one of them sees it?" 414 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:30,338 His delivery was superb. 415 00:28:30,459 --> 00:28:33,633 He really should have won an Academy Award for that performance. 416 00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:37,258 "I have one." "Which?" "From where?" "From the workshop." 417 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,680 "I'll come to see you in the morning." 418 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:43,146 "I'm worried you all have something left." 419 00:28:44,598 --> 00:28:49,024 When I sat there in the Security Council opposite Colin Powell 420 00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:51,363 and I heard these things, 421 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,031 I kept a straight face, a poker face. 422 00:28:57,819 --> 00:28:59,321 But I was skeptical. 423 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:01,323 And unless we act, 424 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:05,669 we are confronting an even more frightening future. 425 00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:08,539 He did not know that we were perpetrating a hoax, 426 00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:11,258 but that is in effect what we were doing. 427 00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:15,596 I mean, we were telling the Security Council, 428 00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:18,807 people in the international community and Americans, 429 00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:21,928 we were telling them all that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. 430 00:29:22,052 --> 00:29:24,100 He did not. He did not. 431 00:29:25,681 --> 00:29:27,524 I don't really want to criticize him, 432 00:29:27,641 --> 00:29:32,738 but it was a debacle, really, for him and for the world. 433 00:29:34,064 --> 00:29:36,817 At that point, I lost a lot of hope 434 00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:40,367 about our ability to prevent the Iraq war. 435 00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:44,617 When you sign your life on the line for your country 436 00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:46,584 and swear to defend it, 437 00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:48,830 the only thing that you really ask for in return 438 00:29:48,954 --> 00:29:51,423 is that it be for a good reason, 439 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,965 and I didn't feel it was for a good reason. 440 00:29:57,504 --> 00:29:59,757 Yeah, I was in charge of it, 441 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:03,135 and when I finished it and thought about it, 442 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,183 I felt miserable because I thought 443 00:30:05,304 --> 00:30:10,401 we had just put a whole array of circumstantial evidence up 444 00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:14,943 that could be interpreted in any number of different ways. 445 00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:17,691 And we were probably going to go to war, 446 00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:20,820 and it sort of bothered me. 447 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,242 And now I feel like it was the lowest point, 448 00:30:23,363 --> 00:30:26,833 as I've said before, in my professional and personal life. 449 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:28,577 I wish I had resigned. 450 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,051 On this February day, 451 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:41,174 as this nation stands at the brink of battle, 452 00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:46,850 this chamber is, for the most part, 453 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:48,643 ominously... 454 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,433 ominously... 455 00:30:52,476 --> 00:30:54,570 dreadfully silent. 456 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:59,491 You can hear a pin drop. Listen. 457 00:31:03,737 --> 00:31:05,760 You can hear a pin drop. 458 00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:19,754 The battle lines are being drawn in the Gulf and at home, 459 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,346 these protestors in no doubt 460 00:31:21,463 --> 00:31:24,342 as to whose side they're on and who they're against. 461 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:27,345 I feel that I speak for, um, 462 00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:30,814 a growing number of people in this country. 463 00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:33,229 I think if you stopped anyone now on the road 464 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:35,603 and asked them what they think, they'd say "No." 465 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:39,732 I've always been, uh... 466 00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:42,075 quite passionate about CND. 467 00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:44,661 Uh, it kind of sort of goes back 468 00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:48,408 to coming from a family of conscientious objectors. 469 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:50,375 So I did what little I could, 470 00:31:50,492 --> 00:31:53,712 in the sense of I could just talk about it in the media, 471 00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:55,376 express myself. 472 00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:02,130 There was a moment where it felt, well, we might be able to intervene. 473 00:32:06,591 --> 00:32:10,641 Inspections, not war. War is not worth dying for. 474 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:14,938 Inspections, not war. Inspections, not war. 475 00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:17,231 The Iraqis are real people. 476 00:32:17,352 --> 00:32:20,356 The majority of them are under 18 years old. 477 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,202 They're lovely, nice, wonderful people, and we don't want to see them killed. 478 00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:29,122 February 14th. That would be the day 479 00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:33,494 the Security Council would hear from the inspectors in Iraq 480 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:36,337 responsible for the UN inspections. 481 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,133 So important is this event 482 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:43,754 that all the main foreign ministers of the United Nations are here, 483 00:32:43,879 --> 00:32:45,973 including America's Colin Powell. 484 00:32:46,089 --> 00:32:47,716 They've insisted on turning up 485 00:32:47,841 --> 00:32:50,139 because this encounter could even determine 486 00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:52,479 the fate of the United Nations. 487 00:32:52,596 --> 00:32:54,598 The chamber of the Security Council had never been 488 00:32:54,723 --> 00:32:57,317 as full of cameras as they were in those days. 489 00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:03,615 We walked into this room and looked around. 490 00:33:03,732 --> 00:33:05,905 It was just full of cameras. 491 00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:13,163 How much, if any, is left of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction 492 00:33:13,283 --> 00:33:16,958 and related prescribed items and programs? 493 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:20,252 So far, UNMOVIC has not found any such weapons, 494 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,627 only a small number of empty chemical munitions. 495 00:33:23,752 --> 00:33:27,222 We have to date found no evidence 496 00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:31,845 of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq. 497 00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:34,187 As I have just indicated, a number of... 498 00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:36,648 What the inspectors actually said 499 00:33:36,765 --> 00:33:39,109 was very, very unequivocal. 500 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:42,775 "We have seen no evidence." 501 00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:45,194 They would not, they did not, 502 00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:49,616 provide the US with any excuse to go to war, 503 00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:52,205 and the Security Council knew it. 504 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:05,715 When the two branches of the march meet here 505 00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:08,054 in Piccadilly Circus tomorrow afternoon, 506 00:34:08,171 --> 00:34:09,923 Eros may well be witnessing 507 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:13,143 the biggest peacetime demonstration in British history. 508 00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:18,849 The day before, the Evening Standard and the Mail 509 00:34:18,974 --> 00:34:22,899 and all the others had a double-page spread about the march route, 510 00:34:23,019 --> 00:34:25,613 what are the ideal clothes to wear at a demonstration, 511 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:28,984 and you suddenly realized we'd become the mainstream. 512 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:31,237 Saturday's demonstration against the war on Iraq 513 00:34:31,361 --> 00:34:34,911 is expected to be the biggest peacetime rally ever seen in this country. 514 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:38,752 There will be other protests from New York to Tokyo. 515 00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:40,461 In the course of the seven weeks, 516 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:44,209 we must have distributed well over a million pieces of literature. 517 00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:48,007 All of us became aware that this thing was gonna be big. 518 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:51,428 There is a large number of people that are gonna be on this demonstration 519 00:34:51,548 --> 00:34:53,926 that have never demonstrated before in their lives. 520 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:58,180 Middle England are coming out in their thousands on Saturday, 521 00:34:58,305 --> 00:35:00,774 and that is what is going to make a difference. 522 00:35:00,890 --> 00:35:03,643 Tonight, final preparations are underway here in London 523 00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:05,941 for the anti-war rally tomorrow. 524 00:35:06,062 --> 00:35:09,441 It's being billed as the biggest peace demonstration in recent years. 525 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:26,709 The rallies of February 15th followed the sun. 526 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:28,801 They started in the South Pacific. 527 00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:30,841 After that it was New Zealand, 528 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:33,010 and after that it was Australia, it was Sydney. 529 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:37,477 They came from everywhere and from every walk of life 530 00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:40,143 to walk for life and for peace. 531 00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:43,142 It was an extraordinary display of people power. 532 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:46,270 So many voices with one simple message. 533 00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:49,819 No war! No war! 534 00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:53,489 I remember getting on the train to go into the rally, 535 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:56,159 and the train was absolutely packed, 536 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,077 and you realized something huge was happening 537 00:35:58,198 --> 00:36:02,078 and it was just a complete cross-section of liberal concerned Australia. 538 00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:04,671 And then it was North Asia and South Asia. 539 00:36:07,624 --> 00:36:10,093 And then after that it was Malaysia. 540 00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:12,338 It was Indonesia, it was the Philippines, 541 00:36:12,462 --> 00:36:14,314 it was India, it was Pakistan. 542 00:36:18,218 --> 00:36:19,736 And then across Russia. 543 00:36:22,806 --> 00:36:24,934 And then down into Africa. 544 00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:32,198 This is a war about the oil reserves of Iraq. 545 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:35,027 And then across into Europe. 546 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,166 Roma was full of different marches, 547 00:36:41,282 --> 00:36:46,789 and we found another enormous march coming against us, 548 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:48,756 and we don't know who they are. 549 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,626 And no, they are us! 550 00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:02,270 And then there was the huge protest in Spain. 551 00:37:09,936 --> 00:37:13,236 In Barcelona was something that we couldn't imagine. 552 00:37:13,356 --> 00:37:15,404 It was no march because, in fact, 553 00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:19,200 all passage to the Gràcia was occupied by people. 554 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,072 It was full of people. 555 00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:27,833 All over Spain it's around five million people going into the streets. 556 00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:34,007 So it was the biggest demonstration in the history in the Spanish State. 557 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:40,509 You're reading all of the wire reports increasingly from all of these cities, 558 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:42,601 and you see France, Paris. 559 00:37:46,598 --> 00:37:49,602 Here in France, everyone is united against the war. 560 00:37:49,726 --> 00:37:53,071 The people, the politicians, the newspapers. 561 00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:57,364 Hundreds of cities. All of a sudden, this sea of humanity. 562 00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:12,753 And then... we had London. 563 00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,385 I thought I was on the wrong march. 564 00:38:20,507 --> 00:38:23,761 I did. I thought this must be for something else 565 00:38:23,885 --> 00:38:28,015 because there were all these families, people with pushcarts and babies 566 00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:30,267 and people I'd just never seen on these things, 567 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,519 and the outpouring of rage from the people. 568 00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:34,897 It was so beautiful. 569 00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:38,946 Really passionate and eloquent and beautiful. 570 00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:41,195 People crying out and shouting. 571 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:53,674 This proposed war by Britain is historically unpopular, 572 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,964 and the mother of all focus groups has descended on London 573 00:38:57,085 --> 00:39:01,306 to bring that fact home to Tony Blair today. 574 00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:04,801 And then the march began, and we were millions. 575 00:39:04,926 --> 00:39:06,428 It seemed we were millions. 576 00:39:06,553 --> 00:39:10,353 A million people in... on the streets of London. 577 00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:13,101 There hadn't been a demonstration that size 578 00:39:13,226 --> 00:39:15,228 in anybody in the government, 579 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:19,699 let alone in Parliament's recollection. 580 00:39:19,816 --> 00:39:24,287 It was... It sort of shut you up. 581 00:39:24,404 --> 00:39:26,907 Virtually everybody I know was on it. 582 00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:29,409 I wish I'd been on it. I should have been on it. 583 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:32,959 People like my son and my granddaughters. 584 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,047 He, not being a political activist, 585 00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:37,713 and he was texting me saying "This is fantastic." 586 00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:39,427 "He can't go to war now." 587 00:39:41,421 --> 00:39:43,594 And it was beautiful. 588 00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:47,185 Many say they've never known an atmosphere quite like it. 589 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:48,849 Could that be in part 590 00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:52,565 because so many were moved to protest for the first time? 591 00:39:52,682 --> 00:39:55,356 I'm not a demonstration type of person, actually. 592 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:58,980 I mean, it may well have been the first demonstration I ever went on. 593 00:39:59,105 --> 00:40:00,607 I think the world's going mad. 594 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:02,985 I just feel it's got to be stopped somewhere. 595 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:08,661 Anybody who could come came, of my lot. And family, I just... 596 00:40:08,781 --> 00:40:10,533 A couple of phone calls, and I should think 597 00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,626 we must have been a dozen. 598 00:40:12,744 --> 00:40:15,918 And they loved it and were very proud. 599 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,293 This was the future of humanity, and people felt it. 600 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:20,669 That's why they came. 601 00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:25,806 I managed to get friends of mine, 602 00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:30,851 that I never considered for a moment would come with me, to come that day. 603 00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:35,396 I hadn't been an activist before. I hadn't protested anything before. 604 00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:38,565 There was a sense of "Come on, come with me, come and join me." 605 00:40:38,686 --> 00:40:40,108 "We can do this together." 606 00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:42,698 I was very enthusiastic that this was going to do it. 607 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:44,567 This was going to stop the Iraq war. 608 00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:48,538 If Blair cared about democracy, we wouldn't be doing this march 609 00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:50,703 because he would be representing his people. 610 00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:52,871 What Bush and Blair are actually planning 611 00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:55,120 is so disgusting, so bloody lousy. 612 00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:56,461 It's a war for oil. 613 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,385 I don't think it was until 15th February 2003, 614 00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:06,097 that we really understood the enormity of the divide 615 00:41:06,214 --> 00:41:08,512 that existed within the country. 616 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,015 And we came to a halt in Whitehall, and as it happened, 617 00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:20,441 my family and I were dead opposite the entrance to Downing Street. 618 00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:21,687 And... 619 00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:26,864 a noise went up that I've never heard before or since. 620 00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:33,083 A kind of visceral, feral grumble, roar, rising sound. 621 00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:38,625 I remember coming up to Piccadilly Circus, 622 00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:44,753 and there was this just incredible howl of, I don't know... 623 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:48,723 Joy, really, as the two demonstrations came together. 624 00:41:51,551 --> 00:41:55,601 I always feel like this when, all of a sudden... 625 00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:58,767 millions of ordinary people, 626 00:41:58,891 --> 00:42:02,737 who are told they can't do this, suddenly do it. 627 00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:07,401 Everybody in the world has a chance today 628 00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:13,282 to say no, absolutely no to war on Iraq. 629 00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:19,205 And there was this real desire. "Come on, Tony Blair, listen." 630 00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:24,630 "You have to listen. You can't ignore this many people." 631 00:42:24,751 --> 00:42:26,970 Blair went up to Scotland 632 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:29,054 to speak at the Scottish Labour Party Conference. 633 00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:31,971 His speech is greeted with stony silence, 634 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:33,764 something that never ever happens. 635 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:38,265 As you watch your TV pictures of the march, just ponder this. 636 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:40,733 If there are 500,000 on that march, 637 00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:43,103 that is still less than the number of people 638 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:46,902 whose deaths Saddam has been responsible for. 639 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:49,317 If there are one million... 640 00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:53,287 that is still less than the number of people 641 00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:56,658 that died in the wars that he started. 642 00:42:56,783 --> 00:43:03,883 We are starting something really big, and our first task is peace in Iraq. 643 00:43:03,998 --> 00:43:08,048 Ridding the world of Saddam would be an act of humanity. 644 00:43:09,212 --> 00:43:12,216 It is leaving him there that is inhumane. 645 00:43:13,299 --> 00:43:18,021 But we must not stop until we have achieved the objectives 646 00:43:18,137 --> 00:43:21,983 that bring us all to Hyde Park this afternoon. 647 00:43:24,936 --> 00:43:28,406 We had a counter at the background of the stage, 648 00:43:28,523 --> 00:43:31,697 and I remember asking "Can I make that announcement?" 649 00:43:31,818 --> 00:43:33,991 "Can I please make that announcement?" 650 00:43:34,112 --> 00:43:40,290 We had those who thought we could never, never pull it together, 651 00:43:40,409 --> 00:43:47,167 and we have one and a half million people marching in London today! 652 00:43:49,836 --> 00:43:51,588 Then, minute by minute, 653 00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:54,807 the phone calls, the feedback, getting a call from Egypt, 654 00:43:54,924 --> 00:43:57,302 people watching on Egyptian TV 655 00:43:57,426 --> 00:44:00,100 saying, "What is this? What have you done?" 656 00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:04,484 "This is absolutely miraculous. How have you done this?" 657 00:44:15,111 --> 00:44:19,491 Everyone was in a state of shock to find, like, one million Brits 658 00:44:19,615 --> 00:44:22,459 who were willing to take to the streets to protest against the war. 659 00:44:22,577 --> 00:44:24,625 Everyone was shocked that, you know, 660 00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:27,624 there are three million in the streets of Madrid. 661 00:44:27,748 --> 00:44:29,500 I mean, everybody was shocked. 662 00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:32,003 We were jealous that this was happening in the West 663 00:44:32,128 --> 00:44:33,880 and not happening in the Arab world. 664 00:44:34,005 --> 00:44:38,385 Millions of Egyptians and Arabs and Muslims 665 00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:40,386 can watch on the TV screens 666 00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:44,641 those white, whisky-drinking infidels taking to the streets on their behalf, 667 00:44:44,765 --> 00:44:48,736 while in their own countries, you know, you cannot mobilize on that scale. 668 00:44:48,853 --> 00:44:51,322 The issue was, if they're doing that there, 669 00:44:51,439 --> 00:44:53,692 we should do at least as much here. 670 00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:57,036 In Egypt it was one of my most depressing days. 671 00:44:57,153 --> 00:45:01,579 We had tiny turnout for these calls of protest. 672 00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:10,801 On 15th February, we did actually organize something small. 673 00:45:14,295 --> 00:45:19,517 And, of course, we had the huge military police 674 00:45:19,634 --> 00:45:21,807 slash military mobilization of the time. 675 00:45:21,928 --> 00:45:24,056 But we knew it's going to happen 676 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:26,899 because of the international mobilization. 677 00:45:28,976 --> 00:45:30,728 It was very frustrating. 678 00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:35,154 I give so much credit to the activists here 679 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:37,777 who didn't give up on the Egyptian people, 680 00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:40,496 because I think I might have given up on the Egyptian people. 681 00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:45,994 That day, 15th February 2003, 682 00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:51,090 gave us a real mobilization power 683 00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:53,551 to get the message across 684 00:45:53,668 --> 00:46:00,426 that whenever the US and the UK would start their war against Iraq... 685 00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:05,396 we should be on the streets opposing that. 686 00:46:09,475 --> 00:46:12,479 And then, finally, it came to New York. 687 00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:14,605 # This land is your land 688 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,279 # This land is my land 689 00:46:20,403 --> 00:46:22,952 I heard the noise from the outside. 690 00:46:23,072 --> 00:46:27,794 Being out in the street early on and as the day was going on, 691 00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:30,789 just watching what had to be 692 00:46:30,913 --> 00:46:33,382 tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. 693 00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:36,127 It just... People kept coming. 694 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:41,925 # To the Gulf Stream waters 695 00:46:42,967 --> 00:46:44,093 # I tell ya 696 00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:47,267 I needed some milk and some vegetables, 697 00:46:47,388 --> 00:46:52,235 and I went out, and I realized what the demonstration was about. 698 00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:53,944 One, two, three, four! 699 00:46:54,061 --> 00:46:55,813 # As I went walking 700 00:46:55,938 --> 00:46:57,861 Five, six, seven, eight! 701 00:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,199 # Down that... 702 00:46:59,317 --> 00:47:03,072 I felt compelled to fly out on a weekend while I was on active duty 703 00:47:03,195 --> 00:47:07,792 to attend this protest in New York City on February 15th 2003. 704 00:47:10,411 --> 00:47:14,837 I do remember getting off the subway and seeing Grand Central Station 705 00:47:14,957 --> 00:47:18,211 and just seeing the people that were in there, 706 00:47:18,336 --> 00:47:20,179 and it was overwhelming. 707 00:47:20,296 --> 00:47:22,094 I went outside the doors, 708 00:47:22,214 --> 00:47:26,139 and I just remember seeing just so many people. 709 00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:29,935 Just people for blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks. 710 00:47:30,056 --> 00:47:33,310 Who knows where they were to? And you could almost... 711 00:47:33,434 --> 00:47:36,608 If you could look to 125th, they may have been as far as 125th. 712 00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:41,200 I'm getting chills right now just talking about it. Uh... 713 00:47:41,317 --> 00:47:43,820 # They tried to stop me 714 00:47:43,944 --> 00:47:48,745 # They put up a sign that said 715 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:51,665 # Oh, it said "private property" 716 00:47:51,786 --> 00:47:53,880 I felt touched by it. 717 00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:59,924 I felt this is part of the political drama that is played out. 718 00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:03,969 - Whose street? - Our street! 719 00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:09,096 I also had some little fear that maybe someone would identify me 720 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:15,068 and hoist me up on a truck as a mascot or something. 721 00:48:15,184 --> 00:48:18,028 But no one did that. 722 00:48:18,145 --> 00:48:20,944 Streets and parks and cities across the US and the world 723 00:48:21,065 --> 00:48:22,942 were filled with demonstrators today 724 00:48:23,067 --> 00:48:26,446 protesting a possible US-Ied war against Iraq. 725 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:29,244 All told, anti-war demonstrations took place 726 00:48:29,365 --> 00:48:32,209 in at least 150 American cities from coast to coast. 727 00:48:32,326 --> 00:48:37,958 We were attempting something on this day that was historic. 728 00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:41,127 There was no way to not take notice. 729 00:48:41,252 --> 00:48:44,756 Surely President Bush must be watching, 730 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,884 and surely Tony Blair must be watching. 731 00:48:48,008 --> 00:48:50,431 You know, the size of a protest, it's like deciding, 732 00:48:50,553 --> 00:48:53,432 well, I'm gonna decide policy based upon a focus group. 733 00:48:53,556 --> 00:48:55,183 They can't hold us back! 734 00:48:55,307 --> 00:48:58,026 Bush, you can't hold us back! 735 00:48:58,144 --> 00:48:59,987 You can't hold the people! 736 00:49:00,104 --> 00:49:02,152 You can't keep the people down! 737 00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:05,573 # And this land 738 00:49:05,693 --> 00:49:07,695 # Was made for you and me 739 00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:14,294 The people will be heard! There will not be a war against Iraq! 740 00:49:17,246 --> 00:49:19,340 There was unbelievable sense 741 00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:21,630 that maybe this could make a difference. 742 00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:23,673 Maybe, for the first time in history, 743 00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:27,048 we could actually stop the bad guys, right, 744 00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:29,096 from doing something horrendous. 745 00:49:32,553 --> 00:49:36,683 People are saying no to war! 746 00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,027 And we stand in solidarity, 747 00:49:40,144 --> 00:49:44,524 all the people of the world who are marching at this very moment. 748 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:48,278 I remember Harry Belafonte and his long-time great friend Danny Glover, 749 00:49:48,402 --> 00:49:49,995 the great activist actor, 750 00:49:50,112 --> 00:49:54,208 who said "We stand here on this threshold of history, 751 00:49:54,325 --> 00:49:56,327 and we say to the world..." 752 00:49:56,452 --> 00:50:00,127 Not in our names, not in our names. 753 00:50:00,247 --> 00:50:02,215 "Not in our name." 754 00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:06,509 And I remember the crowd picked it up, and it was echoing. 755 00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:15,012 And I remember thinking, I will never again... 756 00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:18,103 have an opportunity like this, 757 00:50:18,224 --> 00:50:22,445 to be present at a moment that is changing the world. 758 00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:25,064 And all a sudden I felt elated, 759 00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:27,738 and I felt, "Of course we can stop the war, 760 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:29,781 because we are so many people, 761 00:50:29,902 --> 00:50:32,781 and there's no leader in any country in the world 762 00:50:32,905 --> 00:50:39,003 that could go ahead with a war when they see a global movement saying no." 763 00:50:43,541 --> 00:50:45,384 - What do we want? - Peace! 764 00:50:45,501 --> 00:50:47,754 - When do we want it? - Now! 765 00:50:47,878 --> 00:50:50,631 Let you remember and let your children remember 766 00:50:50,756 --> 00:50:57,355 that on February 15th you were here, joined by 35 million people. 767 00:50:57,471 --> 00:50:59,815 Stop the war! 768 00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:03,311 Stop the war! 769 00:51:03,435 --> 00:51:04,937 Stop the war! 770 00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:08,783 We had the first global demonstration. 771 00:51:10,901 --> 00:51:14,451 There were demonstrations in what, every continent, 772 00:51:14,572 --> 00:51:18,668 and 600 cities around the world had demonstrations, 773 00:51:18,784 --> 00:51:21,207 including a demonstration in Antarctica. 774 00:51:35,384 --> 00:51:38,012 Saying this thing even happened in Antarctica is like saying 775 00:51:38,137 --> 00:51:39,980 it happened on the moon or it happened on Mars. 776 00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:42,896 I think Antarctica stills exists 777 00:51:43,017 --> 00:51:45,736 as this sort of mythological place to most people, 778 00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:47,901 that it is the end of the earth. 779 00:51:48,022 --> 00:51:52,027 And it's remarkable to people that there are people there at all. 780 00:51:57,656 --> 00:52:00,205 We knew that there was demonstrations 781 00:52:00,326 --> 00:52:02,374 gonna be going on around the world for February 15th, 782 00:52:02,494 --> 00:52:04,121 and we knew it was gonna be really big. 783 00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:07,967 And I had a subscription to The Nation that was coming to me in McMurdo, 784 00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:10,836 and I was reading a column by Alexander Coburn, 785 00:52:10,961 --> 00:52:13,805 and he was talking about the upcoming February 15th demonstration. 786 00:52:13,922 --> 00:52:16,641 He was saying, "Even in Antarctica there's gonna be demonstrations." 787 00:52:16,759 --> 00:52:19,137 I thought, "Huh? Who would that be?" 788 00:52:19,261 --> 00:52:21,138 And I thought, "Wait a minute, he means us." 789 00:52:21,263 --> 00:52:24,813 And so, I thought, "Well, we can't let down the great Alexander Coburn, 790 00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:26,355 so we're gonna have to do something." 791 00:52:26,477 --> 00:52:29,731 And so we got this one together in fairly short order. 792 00:52:31,523 --> 00:52:35,448 Saying what you think isn't something that's easily done down there. 793 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:39,574 First we were told no protest at all would be tolerated, 794 00:52:39,698 --> 00:52:40,790 and I think they were saying, 795 00:52:40,908 --> 00:52:45,709 "Well, it's OK to be for peace, but you can't be against the war." 796 00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:50,175 "You do that, you'll go home in a box." 797 00:52:50,292 --> 00:52:52,545 "Try that, you'll go home in a box." 798 00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:53,717 I'm not sure I was aware 799 00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:56,431 that you could actually lose your job for stuff like this 800 00:52:56,548 --> 00:52:58,642 until I actually lost my job for stuff like this. 801 00:52:58,759 --> 00:53:01,262 And, that said, even if I'd known, 802 00:53:01,387 --> 00:53:03,310 I think I would have done just the same thing. 803 00:53:06,642 --> 00:53:10,146 If we could get enough people who were willing to do it, 804 00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:14,650 that just was hopeful to me, 805 00:53:14,775 --> 00:53:16,994 and when we did, it was joyful to me. 806 00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:24,206 And so we fervently hoped that we could be part 807 00:53:24,326 --> 00:53:27,500 of this movement that was going on, this February 15th movement. 808 00:53:27,621 --> 00:53:30,625 Just... we want this to stop. We don't want this to happen. 809 00:53:36,463 --> 00:53:38,136 - This is how we'd look. - That's right. 810 00:53:38,257 --> 00:53:40,555 And there was 70 of us who looked just like this. 811 00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:52,651 This is "Democracy Now." 812 00:53:52,771 --> 00:53:55,741 The world says no to war. 813 00:53:55,858 --> 00:53:59,533 Sites included Australia, Johannesburg, Tel Aviv, Syria, 814 00:53:59,653 --> 00:54:02,827 Tokyo, Bangladesh, South Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand, 815 00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:05,292 Puerto Rico, Brazil, East Timor, India, 816 00:54:05,409 --> 00:54:08,083 and even the South Pole. 817 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:43,664 And when, the next day, The New York Times, 818 00:54:43,781 --> 00:54:47,502 on the front page above the fold, said this great truth, 819 00:54:47,618 --> 00:54:50,747 "Once again there are two superpowers in the world." 820 00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:54,125 "The United States and global public opinion." 821 00:54:54,249 --> 00:54:55,592 That was huge. 822 00:54:58,045 --> 00:55:00,298 Some of my friends in the anti-war movement 823 00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:02,390 got rather puffed up about it. 824 00:55:02,508 --> 00:55:05,682 I thought they were gonna do t-shirts. "Second Superpower." 825 00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:07,976 You know, there was a bit of that. 826 00:55:08,096 --> 00:55:11,441 My view was, this is fantastic. We worked for it. 827 00:55:11,558 --> 00:55:14,732 It's not gonna last for long, but it's a marker. 828 00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:18,232 It was a big marker. Tremendous. 829 00:55:18,357 --> 00:55:22,533 I think I made an observation at a critical period 830 00:55:22,653 --> 00:55:27,750 as our country was spooling up for war, that there was another power out there, 831 00:55:27,866 --> 00:55:31,245 and I think we live at our peril in ignoring it 832 00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:33,338 and certainly in denigrating it, 833 00:55:33,455 --> 00:55:36,379 because that tends to be the next generation, 834 00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,127 and that is the future. 835 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,020 I was actually overseas when the big demonstration took place. 836 00:55:57,437 --> 00:55:59,565 The whole of my family went on it. 837 00:56:01,024 --> 00:56:03,277 My parents, my sisters. 838 00:56:03,402 --> 00:56:06,201 There was a real feeling that actually you could make a difference 839 00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:09,791 because going to war was an absolute nonsense 840 00:56:09,908 --> 00:56:12,752 and there had to be another way out of this. 841 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:15,214 I was trying my best to see 842 00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:17,424 whether there was anything behind the scenes I could do 843 00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:22,547 to, you know, hopefully avert the war. 844 00:56:25,591 --> 00:56:28,470 To an extent, Saddam Hussein was now a cornered animal, 845 00:56:28,594 --> 00:56:33,191 and an animal when they're cornered is extremely dangerous. 846 00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:35,401 With the build-up to the war, 847 00:56:35,517 --> 00:56:40,614 the likelihood was that he was going to end up being executed or killed. 848 00:56:40,731 --> 00:56:44,076 And therefore I felt that there was a reasonable chance 849 00:56:44,192 --> 00:56:45,660 in trying to persuade him 850 00:56:45,777 --> 00:56:48,326 that he should bow out and go to another country. 851 00:56:48,447 --> 00:56:51,326 We'd definitely had these conversations beforehand, 852 00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:53,794 and there definitely did seem to be an alternative 853 00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:55,288 than doing what we did. 854 00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:57,665 I was fortunate enough to know Nelson Mandela. 855 00:56:57,789 --> 00:57:00,338 One power, 856 00:57:00,459 --> 00:57:07,593 with a President who has no foresight, who cannot think properly... 857 00:57:08,751 --> 00:57:15,650 ...is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust, 858 00:57:15,766 --> 00:57:21,193 and I'm happy that the people of the world are standing up. 859 00:57:21,313 --> 00:57:24,362 Nelson Mandela had spoken vehemently 860 00:57:24,483 --> 00:57:28,078 out against the idea of the war and against the invasion, 861 00:57:28,195 --> 00:57:34,043 and so I felt that there was a chance that if he came to see Saddam Hussein, 862 00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:40,007 and if he agreed to fly out on the same plane as Saddam Hussein, 863 00:57:40,123 --> 00:57:41,921 that we might have a success. 864 00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,680 Kofi Annan also agreed to go on the trip, 865 00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:50,097 so we arranged a plane to go to South Africa 866 00:57:50,217 --> 00:57:53,391 to pick them up to take them to Baghdad. 867 00:58:05,983 --> 00:58:10,159 I can think of nothing that Saddam Hussein could do diplomatically. 868 00:58:10,278 --> 00:58:12,701 I think that time is now over. 869 00:58:14,241 --> 00:58:16,960 The time for diplomacy has passed. 870 00:58:17,077 --> 00:58:21,048 Sadly, the very week that they were due 871 00:58:21,164 --> 00:58:26,887 to go to Baghdad to sit down with Saddam Hussein, 872 00:58:27,004 --> 00:58:29,757 bombing started, and the visit never took place. 873 00:58:32,926 --> 00:58:38,103 Now, whether the Americans or British 874 00:58:38,223 --> 00:58:40,897 had discovered what was going on, we don't know. 875 00:58:41,018 --> 00:58:45,740 I mean, we had on purpose not informed the authorities 876 00:58:45,856 --> 00:58:48,905 because we felt they might bring the war forward 877 00:58:49,026 --> 00:58:52,326 if they knew this trip was to take place. 878 00:58:52,446 --> 00:58:56,371 But I still think every time he looks at the news, 879 00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:59,665 he must think, "If only, you know, if only it had worked." 880 00:58:59,786 --> 00:59:03,165 It was that close to having a solution. 881 00:59:13,133 --> 00:59:15,306 After the big march, February 15th, 882 00:59:15,427 --> 00:59:18,397 it was clear that the waving of placards wasn't going to be any good 883 00:59:18,513 --> 00:59:20,356 and writing letters wasn't going to be any good. 884 00:59:24,061 --> 00:59:26,814 And I decided, you know, I was going to do something, 885 00:59:26,938 --> 00:59:29,657 and I was prepared to get arrested, and da-dee-da-dee-da. 886 00:59:32,611 --> 00:59:35,114 So my friend Dave and I were talking about it one evening. 887 00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:39,209 "Where would the most effective place to paint a slogan in Sydney be?" 888 00:59:39,326 --> 00:59:41,545 And I said, "Well, to put it bluntly, 889 00:59:41,661 --> 00:59:43,880 it's on the sails of the Sydney Opera House." 890 00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:46,542 And it was this sort of real sinking feeling 891 00:59:46,666 --> 00:59:48,418 because, of course, he was absolutely right. 892 00:59:48,543 --> 00:59:52,764 It was the, you know, the iconic place that the thing, 893 00:59:52,881 --> 00:59:56,351 that the message was inescapable, and it was, you know... 894 00:59:56,468 --> 00:59:58,311 I sort of swallowed three times and said, "OK." 895 00:59:58,428 --> 01:00:00,772 There I am, feeling very strongly about this. 896 01:00:00,889 --> 01:00:03,233 Do I feel strongly enough to, you know, 897 01:00:03,350 --> 01:00:05,569 probably to go to prison for quite a long time? 898 01:00:05,685 --> 01:00:08,905 He said, "I could well get deported if we do this," 899 01:00:09,022 --> 01:00:12,242 and I said, "Well, ring me back when you've thought that one through." 900 01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:15,989 And sure enough, he rang me back. 901 01:00:16,113 --> 01:00:19,208 Well, yes, I mean, the answer was yes. 902 01:00:19,324 --> 01:00:23,875 It was this once-in-a-Iifetime thing where if we didn't... 903 01:00:23,995 --> 01:00:27,249 Even if we failed to stop it, at least if the world could see 904 01:00:27,374 --> 01:00:30,628 that the people didn't want what was being done in their name. 905 01:00:34,548 --> 01:00:37,017 With death-defying bravado, 906 01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:40,764 the anti-war movement's protest scaled new heights. 907 01:00:42,889 --> 01:00:44,516 It was all very amateurish. 908 01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:46,393 We had paint, we had backpacks. 909 01:00:46,518 --> 01:00:49,112 We had great long paint rollers, 910 01:00:49,229 --> 01:00:51,823 like three or four of them to join together. 911 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:56,195 We climbed up without any trouble. Dave climbed up after me. 912 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:00,540 Will, being a nonsmoker, got to the top way quicker than I did. 913 01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:02,409 When he got up there, he said, 914 01:01:02,534 --> 01:01:05,208 "Will, I should tell you I'm very scared of heights." 915 01:01:05,328 --> 01:01:07,797 I felt sick. 916 01:01:12,294 --> 01:01:14,922 This sort of overwhelming feeling of not wanting to stuff it up. 917 01:01:15,046 --> 01:01:17,549 This sort of terror that you were going to paint "No Wa" 918 01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:19,642 or that the "N" would be the wrong way around 919 01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:21,227 or, you know, something like that. 920 01:01:23,513 --> 01:01:26,858 To my amazement, the font came out beautifully. 921 01:01:30,145 --> 01:01:31,647 And the police finally arrived 922 01:01:31,771 --> 01:01:34,399 just as we were touching it up for the last time, 923 01:01:34,524 --> 01:01:38,404 and I said to the policeman, "Can I just finish this bit?" 924 01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:45,127 And he was very polite. He said, "No, I think you've done enough." 925 01:01:45,243 --> 01:01:48,292 This afternoon, the two men were released on bail. 926 01:01:48,413 --> 01:01:51,257 We're charged with malicious damage, which is quite ironic, 927 01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:53,593 because if war isn't the ultimate malicious damage, 928 01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:55,178 I don't know what is. 929 01:01:55,295 --> 01:01:58,014 But freedom for Will Saunders was short-lived. 930 01:01:58,131 --> 01:01:59,724 A scientist from Britain, 931 01:01:59,841 --> 01:02:03,891 he was quickly rearrested by immigration officers. 932 01:02:31,539 --> 01:02:33,712 People say this place doesn't matter anymore, 933 01:02:33,833 --> 01:02:38,179 but hours before a war, your MP can vote for or against it. 934 01:02:38,296 --> 01:02:42,176 And if that doesn't matter, I simply don't know what does. 935 01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:47,272 The more momentous the particular decision you're dealing with, 936 01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:50,518 the more you feel that obligation to do it 937 01:02:50,642 --> 01:02:52,736 on the basis of your own analysis of what's best. 938 01:02:52,852 --> 01:02:53,978 And... 939 01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:56,573 But isn't it better to carry the country with you? 940 01:02:56,690 --> 01:03:00,820 Of course. Of course it would be better to carry the country with you, 941 01:03:00,944 --> 01:03:03,413 but the demonstration indicated 942 01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:06,909 that a great seam of the country wasn't with us. 943 01:03:07,033 --> 01:03:08,706 What do you do then? 944 01:03:09,661 --> 01:03:13,291 You look to Parliament for support, 945 01:03:13,415 --> 01:03:16,259 and if you can't get support in Parliament, then you don't do it. 946 01:03:17,836 --> 01:03:20,430 Now, the night before, Robin Cook resigned 947 01:03:20,547 --> 01:03:24,097 and made an astounding resignation speech. 948 01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:28,222 Iraq probably has no weapons of mass destruction 949 01:03:28,346 --> 01:03:31,350 in the commonly understood sense of the term. 950 01:03:31,474 --> 01:03:33,226 Namely, a credible device 951 01:03:33,351 --> 01:03:37,572 capable of being delivered against a strategic city target. 952 01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:41,319 It probably does still have biological toxins 953 01:03:41,443 --> 01:03:44,287 and battlefield chemical munitions. 954 01:03:44,404 --> 01:03:46,953 But it's had them since the 1980s, 955 01:03:47,073 --> 01:03:50,794 when US companies sold Saddam anthrax agents 956 01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:55,666 and the then-British government approved chemical and munitions factories. 957 01:03:55,790 --> 01:04:01,342 Why is it now so urgent that we should take military action 958 01:04:01,463 --> 01:04:05,809 to disarm a military capacity that has been there for 20 years 959 01:04:05,925 --> 01:04:07,927 and which we helped to create? 960 01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,225 Hear, hear. 961 01:04:09,346 --> 01:04:13,476 Mr. Speaker, the longer I have served in this place, 962 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,602 the greater the respect I have 963 01:04:15,727 --> 01:04:18,947 for the good sense and the collective wisdom of the British people. 964 01:04:19,064 --> 01:04:20,281 Hear, hear. 965 01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:26,906 I intend to join those tomorrow night who vote against military action now. 966 01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:30,000 It is for that reason and that reason alone, 967 01:04:30,116 --> 01:04:33,461 and with a heavy heart, that I resign from the government. 968 01:04:33,578 --> 01:04:35,876 Hear, hear! 969 01:04:37,248 --> 01:04:39,421 It made a most profound impact. 970 01:04:39,542 --> 01:04:41,169 I think for the first time in my life, 971 01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:45,299 I heard people actually clapping in the House of Commons when he sat down. 972 01:04:45,423 --> 01:04:48,848 Because normally you don't do that. You just say "Hear, hear." 973 01:04:48,968 --> 01:04:52,188 But people actually applauded him as he sat down. 974 01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:58,437 And then, all through the day, 975 01:04:58,561 --> 01:05:02,407 MPs that were thought to be skeptical about the war 976 01:05:02,524 --> 01:05:07,655 were being hauled in to see Tony Blair or Gordon Brown, 977 01:05:07,779 --> 01:05:10,658 and Blair was sort of straight at them saying, "OK, 978 01:05:10,782 --> 01:05:13,080 are you with me or against me?" 979 01:05:13,201 --> 01:05:15,750 And there were all kinds of deals done, no doubt. 980 01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:17,497 The Noes to the left 149... 981 01:05:17,622 --> 01:05:19,670 We had estimated at the start of the day 982 01:05:19,791 --> 01:05:21,793 there were possibly 200 Labour MPs, 983 01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:24,637 more than half the Parliamentary Labour Party, a crucial figure, 984 01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,677 who were opposed to the war. 985 01:05:26,798 --> 01:05:29,517 By the end of the day, that had come down to 139. 986 01:05:29,634 --> 01:05:35,482 The Ayes to the right 412, the Noes to the left 149. 987 01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:37,225 The Ayes have it. 988 01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:45,154 An awful day because of the consequences. 989 01:05:45,275 --> 01:05:49,826 MPs knowingly voted for lies to go to war, 990 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:52,540 which has killed thousands of people. 991 01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:58,163 Back! Get back! Get back! Move! 992 01:06:00,248 --> 01:06:03,092 Many of them now come out and say, 993 01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:09,433 "If we knew then what we know now, we wouldn't have supported the war." 994 01:06:09,549 --> 01:06:13,474 "We wouldn't have believed Tony Blair. We were misled." 995 01:06:13,595 --> 01:06:15,313 It's rubbish. 996 01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:19,776 When you had two million people telling you the truth 997 01:06:19,893 --> 01:06:23,443 and giving you the strong case for why this war would be a disaster, 998 01:06:23,563 --> 01:06:27,113 you cannot say you did not know. You just did not care. 999 01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,201 This was when people suddenly realized 1000 01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:32,448 well, what is a democracy if you can demonstrate like this 1001 01:06:32,572 --> 01:06:35,325 but it doesn't make any difference to what happens? 1002 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:41,048 And war suddenly happened one night in March 2003. 1003 01:06:53,092 --> 01:06:56,187 At this hour, American and coalition forces 1004 01:06:56,304 --> 01:07:00,605 are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, 1005 01:07:00,725 --> 01:07:03,274 to free its people, and to defend the world. 1006 01:07:03,394 --> 01:07:07,695 Tonight British servicemen and women are engaged from air, land and sea. 1007 01:07:07,815 --> 01:07:11,115 Their mission, to remove Saddam Hussein from power 1008 01:07:11,236 --> 01:07:13,659 and disarm Iraq of its weapons. 1009 01:07:13,780 --> 01:07:15,782 On my orders, coalition forces have begun 1010 01:07:15,907 --> 01:07:19,036 striking selected targets of military importance 1011 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,834 to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. 1012 01:07:21,955 --> 01:07:24,253 I hope the Iraqi people hear this message. 1013 01:07:24,374 --> 01:07:25,921 We are with you. 1014 01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:29,387 Our enemy is not you but your barbarous rulers. 1015 01:07:35,343 --> 01:07:37,266 And then "shock and awe" came. 1016 01:07:39,138 --> 01:07:42,642 And then, and then the horror. 1017 01:07:45,645 --> 01:07:47,318 It was over. 1018 01:08:09,961 --> 01:08:12,214 I think a lot of us cried. 1019 01:08:13,256 --> 01:08:17,682 And a lot of us screamed in fury 1020 01:08:17,802 --> 01:08:20,601 that these demons had started this war. 1021 01:08:27,895 --> 01:08:32,901 When I'm watching these missiles or rockets 1022 01:08:33,026 --> 01:08:36,246 or whatever they were flying across Baghdad, 1023 01:08:36,362 --> 01:08:40,583 it's kind of like when you see imagery of the World Trade Center. 1024 01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:46,548 To most people, it's this iconic image of a tower burning. 1025 01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:50,089 To me, it's an image of my brother dying 1026 01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:54,259 because it's very, very real because I know he's on the 106th floor. 1027 01:08:59,469 --> 01:09:02,769 There's a piece in all of us that intuitively knows 1028 01:09:02,889 --> 01:09:07,190 that someone's being killed and some family is being harmed. 1029 01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:10,689 I think kind of the challenge for all of us 1030 01:09:10,813 --> 01:09:15,284 is how much of that are we willing to let in 1031 01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:19,781 and how much is too much to bear and we have to turn it off. 1032 01:09:32,502 --> 01:09:36,006 When the hope was dashed and the war began, 1033 01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:38,849 I think that depressed people, 1034 01:09:38,966 --> 01:09:42,470 and it led to a simplistic concept 1035 01:09:42,595 --> 01:09:45,815 that we had the biggest demonstration in history 1036 01:09:45,932 --> 01:09:47,980 and nothing happened, so we're giving up. 1037 01:09:50,144 --> 01:09:52,146 The morale just dropped. 1038 01:09:57,652 --> 01:10:00,246 It's hard to put "George Bush" and "brilliant" in the same sentence, 1039 01:10:00,363 --> 01:10:02,491 but one of his more brilliant moves 1040 01:10:02,615 --> 01:10:04,788 was just to see 20 million people around the world 1041 01:10:04,909 --> 01:10:07,037 saying, "We want you to do something," 1042 01:10:07,161 --> 01:10:10,506 and then him turn around and say, "We're gonna do it anyway 1043 01:10:10,623 --> 01:10:12,546 and you have no power." 1044 01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:14,962 All that sense of hope and possibility 1045 01:10:15,086 --> 01:10:18,386 that maybe we could prevent this, we couldn't in the end. 1046 01:10:18,506 --> 01:10:20,133 We were still not strong enough. 1047 01:10:21,843 --> 01:10:24,813 Everybody please onto the sidewalks in an orderly fashion. 1048 01:10:24,929 --> 01:10:27,432 Everybody on... Keep on walking. 1049 01:10:27,557 --> 01:10:32,529 Once you get past a demonstration, 1050 01:10:32,645 --> 01:10:35,068 a big demonstration or a couple of big demonstrations, 1051 01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:36,611 what do you do? 1052 01:10:41,738 --> 01:10:44,742 We can identify probably in retrospect positive things, 1053 01:10:44,866 --> 01:10:48,621 and maybe we averted other conflicts, and all that kind of stuff, 1054 01:10:48,745 --> 01:10:50,668 but we didn't stop the Iraq War. 1055 01:10:50,788 --> 01:10:54,167 That was something that I think, you know, it was painful. 1056 01:10:54,292 --> 01:10:57,262 And it made a lot of us then reflect on why have we failed, 1057 01:10:57,378 --> 01:11:02,430 and certainly for me, now running 38 Degrees, 1058 01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:06,600 I think I can see the roots of some of my thinking and my ideas 1059 01:11:06,721 --> 01:11:10,396 which lead me to want to start a people-powered campaigning movement. 1060 01:11:10,516 --> 01:11:14,237 That did come out of the experience, I think, of feeling the failure. 1061 01:11:14,353 --> 01:11:16,401 I got the sense from the people on the podium 1062 01:11:16,522 --> 01:11:18,900 that they in a way felt the job was done, 1063 01:11:19,025 --> 01:11:21,778 that this was gonna change the government's opinion. 1064 01:11:21,903 --> 01:11:25,908 Now, we will never know what Tony Blair and his advisers 1065 01:11:26,032 --> 01:11:30,378 were thinking on the eve of that day. 1066 01:11:33,664 --> 01:11:37,009 I'm sure they gambled on us not coming back. 1067 01:11:37,126 --> 01:11:42,098 Now, I really believe that if we'd have come back the next weekend, 1068 01:11:42,215 --> 01:11:43,717 they may not have changed then, 1069 01:11:43,841 --> 01:11:45,639 but they would have certainly been nervous. 1070 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,979 But if we'd have come back the weekend after that, 1071 01:11:48,095 --> 01:11:50,644 then you never know what would have happened. 1072 01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:54,144 And in that sense, 1073 01:11:54,268 --> 01:11:59,195 I feel very frustrated and a deep sense of regret 1074 01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:03,491 about the fact that we just didn't finish the job. 1075 01:12:03,611 --> 01:12:08,367 I did believe, I think as many of us believed on that march, 1076 01:12:08,491 --> 01:12:11,290 that we could actually change something, 1077 01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:15,415 and the fact that we couldn't has stuck in our craws ever since. 1078 01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:18,089 It was a huge missed opportunity 1079 01:12:18,209 --> 01:12:22,305 because I don't think the march in itself would ever stop the war 1080 01:12:22,421 --> 01:12:27,143 because people go home and the government can live with that. 1081 01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:31,310 What they can't live with is serious organization, 1082 01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:34,104 and that's what we needed out of that. 1083 01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:38,150 You have a couple of days of mass demonstrations 1084 01:12:38,271 --> 01:12:41,150 during a weekend in London. 1085 01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:43,242 What does that do to the powers that be? 1086 01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:45,327 Nothing, nothing. 1087 01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:47,947 You need to escalate. 1088 01:12:55,705 --> 01:13:00,836 We had this decision that on the day of the attack, 1089 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,885 on 1:00pm, we're going to assemble in Tahrir Square. 1090 01:13:05,006 --> 01:13:08,476 Once the strikes begin, we all go to Tahrir. 1091 01:13:08,593 --> 01:13:12,314 Once the war starts, at 12 noon, 1092 01:13:12,430 --> 01:13:15,934 everybody would go out on the streets towards Tahrir. 1093 01:13:16,058 --> 01:13:18,106 So I went with my high heels, 1094 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:21,481 thinking it was going to be just an hour-Iong demonstration 1095 01:13:21,606 --> 01:13:24,325 and that the anti-riot police are just going to break it, 1096 01:13:24,442 --> 01:13:31,417 and, you know, I had evening plans, and, uh, I went home at midnight. 1097 01:13:35,202 --> 01:13:37,330 That's when hell broke loose in Egypt. 1098 01:13:39,749 --> 01:13:42,969 You had the biggest protests 1099 01:13:43,085 --> 01:13:47,511 that this capital had witnessed since 1977. 1100 01:13:47,632 --> 01:13:49,384 Young people, old people. 1101 01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:51,602 Poor people, rich people, middle class people. 1102 01:13:51,719 --> 01:13:53,562 Men, women, students. 1103 01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:55,352 Everybody was there. Everybody was there. 1104 01:13:57,516 --> 01:14:02,272 I arrived on Tahrir Square with 15 people. 1105 01:14:04,190 --> 01:14:07,444 14 out of the 15 never demonstrated in their lives 1106 01:14:07,568 --> 01:14:10,868 before 20th March 2003. 1107 01:14:10,988 --> 01:14:15,368 It was like, for the first time, we could see a popular movement. 1108 01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:21,587 From 30,000 to 40,000 or 50,000, even, protestors 1109 01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,460 were in run-in clashes in with the police. 1110 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,968 Briefly taking over Tahrir. 1111 01:14:28,089 --> 01:14:30,183 That really was a turning point. 1112 01:14:30,299 --> 01:14:33,974 The protests here were huge 1113 01:14:34,095 --> 01:14:36,518 on the night of the Iraq invasion. 1114 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:41,936 It was the first time I had ever seen 1115 01:14:42,061 --> 01:14:46,658 that protestors had overwhelmed the security forces. 1116 01:14:50,444 --> 01:14:52,867 They withdrew, and I remember a comrade, a friend, 1117 01:14:52,989 --> 01:14:55,742 said, "Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God." 1118 01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:59,416 For the first time, the really first time, 1119 01:14:59,537 --> 01:15:05,544 we are able to win this small victory. 1120 01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:08,971 The American occupation of Iraq 1121 01:15:09,088 --> 01:15:13,059 is the occupation of the entire Arab world, 1122 01:15:13,175 --> 01:15:15,052 including Egypt, 1123 01:15:15,177 --> 01:15:19,603 and therefore, the impotency of our regime is very clear. 1124 01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:31,236 That's exactly when I was thinking, and others, 1125 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,742 that if we were triple that number, or four times that number, 1126 01:15:36,866 --> 01:15:38,914 we could take down Mubarak. 1127 01:15:40,077 --> 01:15:41,875 Little did we know 1128 01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:46,877 that that was a rehearsal for the 2011 revolution. 1129 01:15:49,712 --> 01:15:52,591 That spring of 2003 1130 01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:55,559 was really the beginning of the democracy movement. 1131 01:16:03,142 --> 01:16:05,645 Iraq was torn to shreds. 1132 01:16:05,770 --> 01:16:09,741 It was a consequence of the invasion, but it wasn't presented that way. 1133 01:16:12,109 --> 01:16:16,956 Like the Fallujah attack, which was a major war crime. 1134 01:16:18,407 --> 01:16:22,002 For example, I haven't seen a word in the United States, 1135 01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:23,712 in the mainstream, at least, 1136 01:16:23,829 --> 01:16:26,799 about the fact that the radiation levels 1137 01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:30,796 and effects of excessive radiation in Fallujah 1138 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,843 are apparently worse than Hiroshima. 1139 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:47,688 We know exactly how many people were killed on September 11th, exactly. 1140 01:16:47,812 --> 01:16:51,316 We have no idea how many civilians were killed in Iraq. 1141 01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,657 Why is that? 1142 01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:57,659 Hey, back up! Back up! 1143 01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:01,000 Sure, Saddam Hussein was awful. He was a murderer. 1144 01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:05,668 But when Saddam was harming his own people, that was on him. 1145 01:17:05,788 --> 01:17:07,882 But the American invasion is on us, 1146 01:17:07,998 --> 01:17:11,844 and the people who are harmed post-invasion is on us. 1147 01:17:11,961 --> 01:17:15,090 It's on our collective national conscience. 1148 01:17:17,216 --> 01:17:20,891 Every person is important, and every person does matter, 1149 01:17:21,011 --> 01:17:25,562 and we should know exactly how many people have died 1150 01:17:25,683 --> 01:17:27,481 as a result of this invasion. 1151 01:17:32,648 --> 01:17:34,616 This was a total failure. 1152 01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:38,488 Cost, most of all for the Iraqis, 1153 01:17:38,612 --> 01:17:41,115 lives and property 1154 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,585 and now ten years near anarchy. 1155 01:17:44,702 --> 01:17:47,672 My father fled Iraq when I was barely a year old. 1156 01:17:47,788 --> 01:17:53,295 I have all my life been an opposition figure to the Baathist regime. 1157 01:17:55,045 --> 01:18:01,473 But as horrendous and as dark and as bad and as miserable 1158 01:18:01,594 --> 01:18:05,144 as things got in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, 1159 01:18:05,264 --> 01:18:07,858 incredibly enough, now they are far, far worse. 1160 01:18:11,478 --> 01:18:15,654 That's what we were there for on 15th February 2003. 1161 01:18:15,774 --> 01:18:17,401 To stop this from happening. 1162 01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:21,451 My husband is going to make a short statement. 1163 01:18:21,572 --> 01:18:27,250 He has felt extremely upset of the injustice of the war, 1164 01:18:27,369 --> 01:18:30,589 and he remains very upset. 1165 01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:33,029 Professor Stephen Hawking. 1166 01:18:40,799 --> 01:18:44,224 The war was based on two lies. 1167 01:18:44,345 --> 01:18:49,897 The first was that we were in danger from weapons of mass destruction. 1168 01:18:50,017 --> 01:18:54,363 The second was that Iraq was somehow to blame for 9/11. 1169 01:18:56,398 --> 01:19:01,575 It has been a tragedy for all the families that have lost members. 1170 01:19:02,071 --> 01:19:07,999 As many as 100,000 may have died, half of them women and children. 1171 01:19:08,953 --> 01:19:12,753 If that is not a war crime, what is? 1172 01:19:17,544 --> 01:19:19,512 The deaths in Iraq mount daily, 1173 01:19:19,630 --> 01:19:23,726 but we haven't had a running total or indeed an accurate body count. 1174 01:19:24,843 --> 01:19:27,312 Now we have a shocking figure. 1175 01:19:27,429 --> 01:19:30,524 American and Iraqi public health experts calculate 1176 01:19:30,641 --> 01:19:35,568 that about 600,000 Iraqis have been killed as a result of the invasion. 1177 01:19:50,494 --> 01:19:55,751 The number of orphans created by the Iraq war, 1.25 million. 1178 01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:12,600 Iraqi children suffering from chronic malnutrition, 28 percent. 1179 01:20:32,161 --> 01:20:37,042 The number of refugees created by the Iraq war, four million. 1180 01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:07,587 So tonight I'm gonna do one of my slideshows. 1181 01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:11,666 These are actual unstaged photos 1182 01:21:11,784 --> 01:21:16,506 pulled from the files of the White House photo office. 1183 01:21:19,833 --> 01:21:22,856 Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere. 1184 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,017 Nope. No weapons over there. 1185 01:21:48,987 --> 01:21:50,489 Maybe under here. 1186 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,656 Yes, there are consequences of war. 1187 01:22:23,772 --> 01:22:26,616 People will die and some will be innocent, 1188 01:22:26,733 --> 01:22:31,113 and we must live with the consequences of our actions, 1189 01:22:31,238 --> 01:22:33,661 even the unintended ones. 1190 01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:37,912 I wanted to ask him, "Have you ever seen what happens 1191 01:22:38,036 --> 01:22:40,915 as somebody rolls a grenade into a tent?" 1192 01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:43,041 "Have you ever imagined what it would be like 1193 01:22:43,167 --> 01:22:47,718 to kneel down beside a soldier you sent into battle 1194 01:22:47,838 --> 01:22:49,761 and tell him why he's dying?" 1195 01:22:51,091 --> 01:22:58,475 Well, I'd never say that the mass loss of life of those in the conflict, 1196 01:22:58,599 --> 01:23:03,651 civilians, is worth intervention. 1197 01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:07,400 But I would say that, were I in the same situation 1198 01:23:07,524 --> 01:23:11,574 with the same information and the same perspective, 1199 01:23:11,695 --> 01:23:13,242 I would have done the same again. 1200 01:23:13,363 --> 01:23:15,957 I mean, now we know so much more. 1201 01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:21,672 I believed, and I believe, that the decision was right. 1202 01:23:23,624 --> 01:23:26,343 The Secretary General of the United Nations, 1203 01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:29,964 a man who's always insisted that America and Britain went to war 1204 01:23:30,088 --> 01:23:33,262 without the legally required authority of the UN. 1205 01:23:33,383 --> 01:23:35,977 Well, Kofi Annan was asked 1206 01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:42,147 whether he thought that the action was legal. 1207 01:23:42,267 --> 01:23:45,146 I have stated clearly that it was not in conformity 1208 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:48,194 with the Security Council, with the UN Charter. 1209 01:23:48,315 --> 01:23:51,194 And then the next question was, "So you mean it was illegal?" 1210 01:23:51,318 --> 01:23:53,412 It was illegal? 1211 01:23:53,529 --> 01:23:55,657 Yes, if you wish. 1212 01:23:55,781 --> 01:23:59,126 Which I think the vast majority of international lawyers in the world 1213 01:23:59,243 --> 01:24:02,588 would say yes, he was right, and I certainly affirm that it was true. 1214 01:24:02,704 --> 01:24:05,253 Crimes against humanity were plainly committed. 1215 01:24:05,374 --> 01:24:08,799 War crimes were plainly committed. There's no issue. 1216 01:24:08,919 --> 01:24:11,763 The photographic and documentary evidence is overwhelming. 1217 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:17,057 The holding nations accountable, you know, 1218 01:24:17,177 --> 01:24:22,775 that's for Liberia, or that's for some small country. 1219 01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:25,189 None of the major heads of state, 1220 01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:29,736 when they engage in these crimes against humanity, 1221 01:24:29,856 --> 01:24:32,735 are made accountable. 1222 01:24:37,489 --> 01:24:40,914 He's probably the only British Prime Minister there has ever been 1223 01:24:41,034 --> 01:24:43,583 who cannot appear on the streets of London 1224 01:24:43,704 --> 01:24:47,174 or anywhere in the country without there being near riots. 1225 01:24:47,291 --> 01:24:53,469 Why are the people who basically pressed the button and said go 1226 01:24:53,589 --> 01:24:59,096 not accountable for the fact that they blatantly lied to all of us? 1227 01:24:59,219 --> 01:25:01,692 It was a crime of the century. 1228 01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:13,322 We've campaigned now for an inquiry for six and a half years. 1229 01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:16,696 Please, Mr. Blair, give us 15 minutes of your time. 1230 01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:19,824 That's all we're asking. Our loved ones gave their lives. 1231 01:25:19,948 --> 01:25:22,167 They gave the rest of their time. 1232 01:25:22,284 --> 01:25:24,378 Tony, we want just 15 minutes of yours. 1233 01:25:24,494 --> 01:25:28,294 We have formally sent a letter through to his office, 1234 01:25:28,415 --> 01:25:32,465 and that request has been totally ignored. 1235 01:25:32,586 --> 01:25:36,432 We, like you, have also experienced at first hand 1236 01:25:36,548 --> 01:25:40,052 the anger which is still felt by many people in this country. 1237 01:25:40,177 --> 01:25:42,896 Can I ask whether you have regrets? 1238 01:25:44,014 --> 01:25:48,941 Responsibility, but not a regret for removing Saddam Hussein. 1239 01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:50,779 - Come on! - I think he was... 1240 01:25:50,896 --> 01:25:51,988 Be quiet, please. 1241 01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:58,112 They've got to give the appearance of an inquiry 1242 01:25:58,236 --> 01:26:01,536 because people are so angry about what happened, 1243 01:26:01,657 --> 01:26:03,876 but it's set up and framed in such a way 1244 01:26:03,992 --> 01:26:05,619 that nobody will be challenged. 1245 01:26:05,744 --> 01:26:08,167 Um, and it's... 1246 01:26:09,623 --> 01:26:13,048 It's what we call a whitewash. 1247 01:26:13,168 --> 01:26:14,795 Blair will go to his death 1248 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,676 with Iraq printed on his heart, and unforgiven. 1249 01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:46,209 Injustice doesn't go away. It stays in the psyche. 1250 01:26:46,326 --> 01:26:50,297 It will eventually need to come out. It will come out. Blood will have blood. 1251 01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:51,836 Sir Roderick... 1252 01:26:51,957 --> 01:26:54,551 There may be things said behind closed doors. 1253 01:26:54,668 --> 01:26:58,718 There may be doors that are closed silently to Tony Blair. 1254 01:27:00,298 --> 01:27:02,266 But from my point of view, I'm sorry, 1255 01:27:02,384 --> 01:27:04,887 I think he should be, you know, at The Hague. 1256 01:27:05,011 --> 01:27:09,107 He should be tried for war crimes against society. 1257 01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:11,226 I think he should. 1258 01:27:11,351 --> 01:27:16,357 If it were my choice to have Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, 1259 01:27:16,481 --> 01:27:20,281 George Bush go before some kind of tribunal, 1260 01:27:20,402 --> 01:27:22,700 and I had to go with them in order to be... 1261 01:27:22,821 --> 01:27:25,916 in order for that tribunal to be successful 1262 01:27:26,032 --> 01:27:28,205 or to even have a chance for success, 1263 01:27:28,326 --> 01:27:34,299 and that it was also possible I would be in that conviction, if you will, 1264 01:27:34,416 --> 01:27:36,669 I'd do it in a heartbeat. 1265 01:27:36,793 --> 01:27:40,343 - You feel that strongly about it? - I feel that strongly about it. 1266 01:27:41,465 --> 01:27:43,888 - Hello, ladies. - Hello, Mr. Rumsfeld. 1267 01:27:44,009 --> 01:27:45,101 - Hi. How are you. - Hi. 1268 01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:46,435 - How are you doing? - Terrific. 1269 01:27:46,553 --> 01:27:48,146 They're all war criminals. 1270 01:27:48,263 --> 01:27:51,233 I saw Donald Rumsfeld on the street in Washington 1271 01:27:51,349 --> 01:27:53,147 last year one time, and I was aghast. 1272 01:27:53,268 --> 01:27:55,066 "They let you walk around on the street 1273 01:27:55,187 --> 01:27:57,110 like a normal person? Why aren't you in jail?" 1274 01:27:57,230 --> 01:28:01,781 - What are you here for tonight? - It's the Correspondents' Dinner. 1275 01:28:01,902 --> 01:28:04,621 OK. Well, enjoy your evening, sir. 1276 01:28:04,738 --> 01:28:06,240 - Thank you very much. - And madam. 1277 01:28:06,364 --> 01:28:07,581 Thank you. 1278 01:28:10,577 --> 01:28:12,124 - Good evening. - Hello, folks. 1279 01:28:12,245 --> 01:28:14,293 - Welcome back. - Thank you. 1280 01:28:14,414 --> 01:28:16,963 - Mr. Secretary. - War criminal! 1281 01:28:17,083 --> 01:28:20,587 War criminal! War criminal! 1282 01:28:20,712 --> 01:28:24,012 Arrest this man! Arrest the war criminal! 1283 01:28:24,132 --> 01:28:26,226 War criminal! 1284 01:28:26,343 --> 01:28:28,311 - Arrest this man! - Joyce, Joyce. 1285 01:28:28,428 --> 01:28:30,726 War criminal! 1286 01:28:30,847 --> 01:28:32,849 War criminal! 1287 01:28:32,974 --> 01:28:34,897 You're protecting a man 1288 01:28:35,018 --> 01:28:38,864 who's responsible for the deaths of millions of Iraqis! 1289 01:28:38,980 --> 01:28:41,199 Shame on you! 1290 01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:46,072 Here comes the war criminal Donald Rumsfeld! 1291 01:28:46,196 --> 01:28:48,449 War criminal! 1292 01:28:48,573 --> 01:28:50,951 He killed people in Iraq! 1293 01:28:51,076 --> 01:28:53,044 War criminal! 1294 01:28:53,161 --> 01:28:58,383 We follow Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush and Condoleezza Rice and Karl Rove 1295 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:02,550 and the people in these think tanks that lied to get us into the war 1296 01:29:02,671 --> 01:29:05,299 and the journalists who lied to get us into the war. 1297 01:29:05,423 --> 01:29:08,427 We are constantly following them. 1298 01:29:08,552 --> 01:29:11,601 We feel that we are the sanity in this country. 1299 01:29:11,721 --> 01:29:15,351 We are the people who are the conscience of this country, 1300 01:29:15,475 --> 01:29:17,853 and I think history will prove that we are. 1301 01:29:17,978 --> 01:29:22,074 Donald Rumsfeld, war criminal! 1302 01:29:22,190 --> 01:29:24,568 He killed people in Iraq! 1303 01:29:24,693 --> 01:29:28,664 War criminal! There's the war criminal! 1304 01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:32,080 After seeing everything that the media was feeding us 1305 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,831 and being misled by the Bush administration, 1306 01:29:36,955 --> 01:29:40,004 seven of us young veterans got together in the same place 1307 01:29:40,125 --> 01:29:42,503 at the Veterans For Peace Conference 1308 01:29:42,627 --> 01:29:46,177 and formed this organization called Iraq Veterans Against The War. 1309 01:29:48,425 --> 01:29:51,929 We continued to demonstrate throughout all those years... 1310 01:29:53,722 --> 01:29:56,942 and ever since February 15th 2003, 1311 01:29:57,058 --> 01:30:00,483 we now thought of ourselves as a global peace movement. 1312 01:30:00,604 --> 01:30:03,357 I never blinked. I never blinked. 1313 01:30:06,610 --> 01:30:09,329 I knew what my morals were. 1314 01:30:09,446 --> 01:30:12,245 I knew that the war was wrong, 1315 01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:18,793 and every ounce of my being compelled me to continue protesting that war. 1316 01:30:19,789 --> 01:30:23,384 - No NATO, no war! - No NATO, no war! 1317 01:30:23,501 --> 01:30:27,506 - We don't work for you no more. - We don't work for you no more. 1318 01:30:27,631 --> 01:30:29,725 My name is Jason Hurd. 1319 01:30:29,841 --> 01:30:33,095 I spent ten years in the United States Army as a combat medic. 1320 01:30:33,219 --> 01:30:36,143 I deployed to Baghdad in 2004. 1321 01:30:36,264 --> 01:30:39,564 I'm here to return my Global War On Terrorism service medal 1322 01:30:39,684 --> 01:30:44,155 in solidarity with the people of Iraq and the people of Afghanistan. 1323 01:30:44,272 --> 01:30:46,570 These were lies. I'm giving them back. 1324 01:30:52,238 --> 01:30:56,664 I'm one of 40,000 people that left the United States Armed Forces 1325 01:30:56,785 --> 01:30:59,629 because this is a lie! 1326 01:31:07,253 --> 01:31:10,427 Our enemies are not 7,000 miles from home. 1327 01:31:10,548 --> 01:31:13,768 They sit in boardrooms. They are CEOs. 1328 01:31:13,885 --> 01:31:17,856 They are the millionaires and billionaires who control this planet, 1329 01:31:17,973 --> 01:31:19,941 and we've had enough of it. 1330 01:31:20,058 --> 01:31:22,060 So they can take their medals back. 1331 01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:45,091 Egypt is tasting its own dose of people power. 1332 01:31:45,208 --> 01:31:47,461 Such defiance here is rare 1333 01:31:47,585 --> 01:31:49,758 and could mark the beginning of something bigger. 1334 01:31:49,879 --> 01:31:53,258 There is a big myth both in Egypt, in the Arab world, 1335 01:31:53,383 --> 01:31:55,010 as well as the West 1336 01:31:55,135 --> 01:31:58,435 that this revolution in Egypt broke out of the blue. 1337 01:31:58,555 --> 01:32:00,557 Some people deliberately tried to call it 1338 01:32:00,682 --> 01:32:02,855 a Facebook revolution or a Twitter revolution 1339 01:32:02,976 --> 01:32:06,401 or an internet revolution or even a youth revolution, 1340 01:32:06,521 --> 01:32:12,824 uh, in order, more or less, to dismiss the fact that this revolution 1341 01:32:12,944 --> 01:32:16,539 has been in the making for at least ten years. 1342 01:32:16,656 --> 01:32:18,829 The demonstrations did not stop 1343 01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:21,328 after the invasion of Iraq. They went on. 1344 01:32:25,206 --> 01:32:29,177 True credit goes to these people who were out there 1345 01:32:29,294 --> 01:32:33,344 ten years before it would actually flower into something. 1346 01:32:33,465 --> 01:32:39,143 So God bless. That's what... That's what revolutions come from. 1347 01:32:44,642 --> 01:32:49,944 11th February at 6:00 p.m., my mother told me, "Open the TV." 1348 01:32:59,991 --> 01:33:03,871 This huge, you know, headline was spread across the screen. 1349 01:33:05,705 --> 01:33:08,003 And I was screaming and jumping up and down 1350 01:33:08,124 --> 01:33:10,593 and saying, "He's gone. He's stepped down. He's stepped down." 1351 01:33:10,710 --> 01:33:13,884 I don't know. I lost control. 1352 01:33:16,966 --> 01:33:20,516 The first thing people of my generation when they met, 1353 01:33:20,637 --> 01:33:24,232 obviously, you know, you get the hugs and kisses and so on. 1354 01:33:24,349 --> 01:33:28,650 But the first words we would say is "We lived to see it." 1355 01:33:36,986 --> 01:33:38,829 No matter what happens, 1356 01:33:38,947 --> 01:33:44,670 even if we end up in the short term having an authoritarian military regime, 1357 01:33:44,786 --> 01:33:48,711 I think we realize that nobody can do to us what used to be done. 1358 01:33:48,832 --> 01:33:50,675 Nobody can boss us around anymore. 1359 01:33:50,792 --> 01:33:54,092 No one can enslave us anymore the way Mubarak did, 1360 01:33:54,212 --> 01:33:57,136 and eventually I think we're going to get rid of the military. 1361 01:34:09,185 --> 01:34:11,404 This is one of the fruits of the anti-war movement, 1362 01:34:11,521 --> 01:34:13,819 of the global anti-war movement, of course. 1363 01:34:31,791 --> 01:34:35,796 This, according to a UK intelligence document released today, 1364 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,891 was a chemical attack which killed more than 300 people in Damascus. 1365 01:34:40,008 --> 01:34:44,434 This kind of attack threatens our national security interests. 1366 01:34:44,554 --> 01:34:47,398 I don't believe we can let that stand. 1367 01:34:47,515 --> 01:34:52,487 Every war that comes along, it's the same damn language. 1368 01:34:52,604 --> 01:34:56,654 "They are horrible. They are not human." 1369 01:34:56,774 --> 01:35:00,574 "They cannot be trusted. We cannot negotiate with them." 1370 01:35:00,695 --> 01:35:02,823 How many times and how many wars? 1371 01:35:02,947 --> 01:35:07,373 Take out Vietnam, put in Afghanistan. Take out Afghanistan, put in Iran. 1372 01:35:07,493 --> 01:35:10,542 Take out communism, put in terrorism. The same thing. 1373 01:35:10,663 --> 01:35:15,294 Hands off Syria! Hands off Syria! Hands off Syria! Hands off Syria! 1374 01:35:15,418 --> 01:35:18,016 It was like this feeling that... 1375 01:35:18,588 --> 01:35:21,808 Take a deep breath and go full steam ahead. 1376 01:35:21,925 --> 01:35:27,182 Once again we are out on the streets to stop yet another war. 1377 01:35:27,305 --> 01:35:30,525 The controversial decision to go to war in Iraq, 1378 01:35:30,642 --> 01:35:32,736 made here ten years ago, 1379 01:35:32,852 --> 01:35:34,854 has had a profound influence over this debate. 1380 01:35:34,979 --> 01:35:38,529 Overwhelmingly, the people of Britain are telling us 1381 01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:41,119 no to immediate action, no to strikes. 1382 01:35:41,236 --> 01:35:43,409 MPs are doing their job. 1383 01:35:43,529 --> 01:35:45,998 They are listening to what the public want. 1384 01:35:46,115 --> 01:35:52,748 All of our constituents are scarred by the Iraq and Afghanistan experience. 1385 01:35:52,872 --> 01:35:56,126 I cannot sit in this House and be duped again. 1386 01:35:56,251 --> 01:36:01,132 The well of public opinion was well and truly poisoned by the Iraq episode, 1387 01:36:01,256 --> 01:36:04,760 and we need to understand the public skepticism. 1388 01:36:04,884 --> 01:36:07,763 The MPs in Parliament should do 1389 01:36:07,887 --> 01:36:11,391 what not enough of them had the guts to do ten years ago 1390 01:36:11,516 --> 01:36:13,109 and vote against! 1391 01:36:18,356 --> 01:36:21,576 Order, order. 1392 01:36:23,027 --> 01:36:24,995 Recite. 1393 01:36:25,113 --> 01:36:31,746 The ayes to the right 272, the noes to the left 285. 1394 01:36:35,957 --> 01:36:39,962 The House of Commons sees itself in a new light today 1395 01:36:40,086 --> 01:36:44,387 after last night's historic defeat for a British Prime Minister. 1396 01:36:51,222 --> 01:36:53,350 It is clear to me that the British Parliament, 1397 01:36:53,474 --> 01:36:55,647 reflecting the views of the British people, 1398 01:36:55,768 --> 01:36:58,988 does not want to see British military action. 1399 01:36:59,105 --> 01:37:01,483 I get that, and the Government will act accordingly. 1400 01:37:03,192 --> 01:37:07,618 What? The retrieval of democracy in the UK? 1401 01:37:07,739 --> 01:37:08,831 This is one of the occasions 1402 01:37:08,948 --> 01:37:11,292 when something sensational has happened in Parliament. 1403 01:37:11,409 --> 01:37:12,706 - Parliament matters. - Yeah. 1404 01:37:12,827 --> 01:37:15,706 As of now, I think we would all agree 1405 01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:18,379 that we're in some kind of state of social revolution. 1406 01:37:18,499 --> 01:37:20,092 Quiet, quiet revolution. 1407 01:37:30,136 --> 01:37:32,764 MPs have, as you say, listened to the public, 1408 01:37:32,889 --> 01:37:36,314 and the public was so appalled by what happened 1409 01:37:36,434 --> 01:37:40,234 under the Prime Ministership of Tony Blair and the Iraq War 1410 01:37:40,355 --> 01:37:43,074 and the dodgy dossier that actually they say, "No more." 1411 01:37:44,776 --> 01:37:47,620 And I have been on this platform over many years, 1412 01:37:47,737 --> 01:37:51,116 from the time of Suez onwards, over 50 years, 1413 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:55,120 and usually we've found that we have lost a battle. 1414 01:37:55,244 --> 01:37:57,121 But what we must remember 1415 01:37:57,246 --> 01:38:00,375 is that all the campaigns we've been engaged in 1416 01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:05,902 have culminated in the decision taken by Parliament last week. 1417 01:38:07,548 --> 01:38:09,425 It's been without any doubt 1418 01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:13,680 the most powerful political campaign in my lifetime. 1419 01:38:15,765 --> 01:38:18,393 We said, "Wow, if the British Parliament 1420 01:38:18,518 --> 01:38:21,692 is actually listening to the British people, 1421 01:38:21,813 --> 01:38:27,661 then why can't the US Congress listen to the American people?" 1422 01:38:28,986 --> 01:38:31,239 Protestors have been outside the White House 1423 01:38:31,364 --> 01:38:33,287 almost constantly. 1424 01:38:34,534 --> 01:38:38,630 The President has spent days huddled with his advisors at the White House, 1425 01:38:38,746 --> 01:38:40,794 but when he emerged from the Oval Office, 1426 01:38:40,915 --> 01:38:42,838 no one expected this outcome. 1427 01:38:42,959 --> 01:38:47,260 Many people have advised against taking this decision to Congress. 1428 01:38:47,380 --> 01:38:49,178 And undoubtedly they were impacted 1429 01:38:49,298 --> 01:38:51,892 by what we saw happen in the United Kingdom this week 1430 01:38:52,009 --> 01:38:54,262 when the Parliament of our closest ally 1431 01:38:54,387 --> 01:38:56,856 failed to pass a resolution with a similar goal. 1432 01:38:56,973 --> 01:39:00,147 Then came the decision that borrowed from David Cameron's playbook. 1433 01:39:00,268 --> 01:39:04,489 I will seek authorization for the use of force 1434 01:39:04,605 --> 01:39:07,950 from the American people's representatives in Congress. 1435 01:39:13,156 --> 01:39:16,330 Now we must stand up and act. 1436 01:39:16,451 --> 01:39:19,303 Thank you, Mr. Secretary. 1437 01:39:20,288 --> 01:39:22,336 The Committee will be in order. 1438 01:39:22,457 --> 01:39:25,085 The Committee will be in order. 1439 01:39:25,209 --> 01:39:28,804 - We don't want another war! - May I ask the police to escort her? 1440 01:39:28,921 --> 01:39:32,050 Wait a minute! Nobody wants this war! 1441 01:39:33,050 --> 01:39:35,678 Launching cruise missiles means another war! 1442 01:39:35,803 --> 01:39:38,647 - Easy with her. - The American people do not want this! 1443 01:39:38,764 --> 01:39:42,189 You know, the first time I testified before this Committee 1444 01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:44,608 when I was 27 years old, 1445 01:39:44,729 --> 01:39:49,735 I had feelings very similar to that protestor. 1446 01:39:49,859 --> 01:39:51,532 That is exactly why it is so important 1447 01:39:51,652 --> 01:39:56,328 that the Congress itself will act representing the American people. 1448 01:39:56,449 --> 01:39:58,918 It was like a magical moment. 1449 01:39:59,035 --> 01:40:01,413 It was one of the rare moments 1450 01:40:01,537 --> 01:40:05,167 that our Congress people were actually listening to us. 1451 01:40:05,291 --> 01:40:08,010 And we won. That was the extraordinary part. 1452 01:40:08,127 --> 01:40:09,595 We're finished. 1453 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,219 History will record this vote on Syria 1454 01:40:16,344 --> 01:40:19,769 as the time that the American people, 1455 01:40:19,889 --> 01:40:23,439 thanks in large part to the British people, 1456 01:40:23,559 --> 01:40:29,066 were able to stop the empire from going to war before it started. 1457 01:40:30,983 --> 01:40:32,826 What everybody now knows 1458 01:40:32,944 --> 01:40:35,868 is that these deranged lefties were absolutely right, 1459 01:40:35,988 --> 01:40:40,209 that the Stop The War Coalition was incredibly right, 1460 01:40:40,326 --> 01:40:45,298 whereas all the people with MI6, the CIA, the British Foreign Office, 1461 01:40:45,414 --> 01:40:48,133 the Prime Minister, the Conservative Party, 1462 01:40:48,251 --> 01:40:51,346 the mainstream Labour Party, were wrong, 1463 01:40:51,462 --> 01:40:53,135 and that's quite something. 1464 01:40:53,256 --> 01:40:58,183 This handful of people have kept this movement going, 1465 01:40:58,302 --> 01:41:00,225 and the result is good 1466 01:41:00,346 --> 01:41:03,350 because it maintains an anti-war presence 1467 01:41:03,474 --> 01:41:05,602 in British political culture. 1468 01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:12,200 If you keep coming back, at some point you will make the change. 1469 01:41:12,316 --> 01:41:15,570 If a million people come out on the street in the future, 1470 01:41:15,695 --> 01:41:18,323 then what government is going to say they're wrong now? 1471 01:41:18,447 --> 01:41:24,454 When the last time the public expressed the opposition that way, 1472 01:41:24,579 --> 01:41:27,958 namely 15th February 2003, 1473 01:41:28,082 --> 01:41:30,835 history said that the people on the street were right 1474 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,338 and not the people in the government. 1475 01:41:42,138 --> 01:41:44,015 I think it shaped people. 1476 01:41:44,140 --> 01:41:48,987 The fact of that march has shaped political debate 1477 01:41:49,103 --> 01:41:51,902 and the public understanding ever since. 1478 01:41:58,946 --> 01:42:04,043 The Iraq War marks a turn in history in this respect, 1479 01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,003 and I'm optimistic about it. 1480 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:11,126 I think there will be less use of military action in the future. 1481 01:43:47,722 --> 01:43:53,149 They are few, and we are many, and if we come together, we are a force. 1482 01:43:58,983 --> 01:44:01,702 There are two forces at work always. 1483 01:44:01,819 --> 01:44:05,699 A hatred of injustice, which makes you angry, 1484 01:44:05,823 --> 01:44:09,956 and a belief you can make a better world, which makes you optimistic. 1485 01:44:10,077 --> 01:44:13,581 And anger and optimism coming together 1486 01:44:13,706 --> 01:44:15,879 are a very powerful force. 125810

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