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A body that was found out
behind a strip center face‐down
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with his hands tied behind his
back.
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We were all just belief and
thinking, "no, it can't be"
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him."
it was not only one. It was
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two cold‐blooded murders.
In the residence, there was
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a great deal of blood. We found
what would be described as a
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makeshift coffin.
It was pure profit, and it
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was pure evil that they would
do these things to different
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people.
A sex ad had been placed.
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The ad was for, "have sex with
me. My husband likes to watch."
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He was not going to pull
over willingly. I was
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absolutely in fear of my life.
Five unique perspectives.
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Five points of view.
One murder.
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I'm Rudy lopes'niece.
My name is butch matjeka.
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My name is Dan downing.
I was the lead investigator.
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I was lead prosecutor.
I was convicted of capital
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murder in 2003.
I'm Nicole acosta, and I am
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Rudy lopes'niece. My tío Rudy
was one of my favorite uncles.
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He grew up in San Antonio. He
had two very loving parents. He
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would always encourage my
cousin and I to get good grades,
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and every time we got an "a" on
our report card, we would go to
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a restaurant. And he was just
an overall, like, loving
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person. He would bring my aunt
flowers just because it was,
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you know, Tuesday. He was
working as sheriff at the jail,
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bexar county. He wore that
badge with a lot of pride. He
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was able to climb the ranks
there at the bexar county jail
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as a sheriff. He was very, very
proud and very determined to
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move up. And, you know, he
loved to do what he did. If
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anyone was doing anything
incorrectly or wrong, we would
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tell them, you know, "my tío
rudy's the sheriff, so he's"
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gonna come get you."
Tío Rudy and my tía Alma
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were honestly a love story. The
way they just got along
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together, they never fought in
front of us, and I'm not even
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sure if they even fought about
anything. When my tío Rudy and
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my tía Alma got married, I was
maybe a couple of months old.
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They just loved each other so
much, and you could tell every
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time, you know, at family
events, tío Rudy and tía Alma
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were always together. And they
would go to the coast every
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single year for their
anniversary. And actually, that
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year he was planning to go on a
cruise. The night of October
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11th, my tío Rudy didn't show
up at home. At first, my tía
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Alma was like, "oh, you know,
maybe he picked up a second job",
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"maybe, you know, he went out
with his friends and just"
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forgot to tell her. When he
wasn't answering his phone, he
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still hadn't showed up hours
later, she had called missing
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persons and reached out to our
family friend, who was also in
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the sheriff's department. I
know this is very, very unlike
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my uncle Rudy to not show up,
not call. In the morning of
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Friday the 13th, I woke up at
3:00 in the morning and tried
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to go back to sleep. And then I
heard the phone ringing. It
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just kept ringing and ringing,
and so finally, I was sitting
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up. I was about to go answer it,
to figure out who's calling at
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this time. And then I heard my
mom's footsteps and she
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answered the phone. And ‐‐ and
she just started crying. I was
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in the fourth grade at the time,
so I didn't know what was
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happening. So I went to go
comfort her. And then she told
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me that my uncle had been shot.
Our family friend actually knew
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what had happened to my uncle
Rudy, but wasn't able to tell
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my tía Alma over the phone
'cause it wasn't correct
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protocol. I believe it was two
deputies who showed up to break
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the news to her, about where he
was found and that he was
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found. She couldn't believe it.
And she was like, "no, not my".
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"Rudy. It can't be." Like the
rest of the family, too, that
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he's no longer with us.
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My name is butch matjeka,
and I was the lead investigator
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on the murder of Rudy lopes. On
October 12, 2000, it was late
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in the afternoon. I was getting
ready to go home. Our shift was
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just about ending. And our
office got a call for a doa, a
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body that was found out behind
a strip center off thousand
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oaks in north San Antonio.
Rudy's body was found by some
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young girls who were walking
behind the strip center. Course,
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they became very scared, ran
home, and parents were the ones
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that made the 9‐1‐1 call. He
was face‐down with his hands
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tied behind his back. He had
another piece of cloth or a
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shirt that was wrapped around
his eyes as a kind of a
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blindfold. We didn't get a lot
of information from the girls.
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So we began what we call a
canvass. We start knocking on
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doors, talking to people and
see if they heard anything, if
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they saw anything. The owner of
the karate school, Charles
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Dudley, he told us that the
night before, as he was closing
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up, he saw a newer model Chevy
truck pull into the area at the
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end of the strip center and go
around behind it. And Rudy had
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a brand new 2000 Chevy truck,
dual cab, gold in color.
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Considering the time of the
night, it was still fairly
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early, 9:00. I don't think he
really thought anything illegal
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was going on. It was just
unusual for him to see it. And
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of course, it drew his
attention because that's his
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business. We didn't get much
from anybody else in the strip
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center, but as the story came
out on the news, we had a
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police officer that called us
the very next day and told us
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that while he was on patrol, he
heard a gunshot go off. So with
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what Mr. Dudley told us and
what the officer told us about
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the time of hearing the gunshot,
we were able to place rudy's
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death around 10:00 that night.
We went and talked to Alma
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lopes, rudy's wife. We learned
that Rudy had worked in the
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jail. He was a jail sergeant at
the time, had a good
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reputation. Alma never gave us
any indication that Rudy had
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any threats made, that anybody
was out for revenge from the
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jail. The only thing that kind
of drew our attention was she
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told us that they were having
some difficulty in the
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marriage. It had been some time
since they had been together.
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We pulled his bank records. We
pulled all of his phone
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records. Basically just threw
out a wide net. "Let's see"
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"where he's been. Let's see what
he's been doing." As we looked
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through his financial records,
what we did see was there was a
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purchase made at frederick's of
Hollywood. I think it was
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around $90. Alma told us he
hadn't brought anything home
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from frederick's. So at that
point, we started to believe
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that we might be looking at
some type of an affair, but we
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weren't really sure what we
were looking at yet. We sent a
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team of investigators to
frederick's of Hollywood to
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look into this. Clerks see so
many people throughout the day.
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It's hard for them to remember.
But amazingly, the clerk in
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this particular case did
remember Rudy from the
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description. She also
remembered that when Rudy came
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in, he was with two people, a
young girl and another male.
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And her idea, when this
purchase was made, was that
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Rudy was buying the negligee
for the young girl. We asked
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about whether he seemed to be
coerced. And her response to us
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was, "no, this was very willing,
very voluntary." There was
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nothing that would give her any
indication that anything was
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wrong at that time. As we
continued to look through
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rudy's financial records, we
found out that there were two
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withdrawals from an atm machine
from rudy's bank on the day
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that we believe he was
kidnapped and murdered. One of
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the withdrawals was for $100.
The other withdrawal was for
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$300. We went to rudy's bank,
and they were able to find
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video footage that showed a
young girl driving a ‐‐ what
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appears to be a newer Chevy
model truck, leaning out the
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window, putting in the pin
number and making both
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withdrawals before she drove
away. Rudy wasn't in the video.
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So we continued to look through
his telephone records, and we
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found a number of calls that
had been placed to a number of
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hotels along the ih‐35 corridor
in San Antonio. We sent a team
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of investigators to the hotels.
And again, thankfully, we came
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across a clerk who remembered
the calls being made. They
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showed her the picture from the
atm. The clerk remembered the
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woman and identified her from
checking in as a girl named
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trina dorris. Well, we don't
have a lot of information on
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trina dorris, other than her
name. So, there's not a whole
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lot we can do. We continue to
comb through his telephone
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records, and we find a phone
number that he made four phone
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calls to the day he died. That
comes back to a Robert brown.
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We went to talk to Mr. Brown.
When we talked to Mr. Brown, he
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remembered Rudy lopes calling
his home, trying to get in
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touch with a woman who had been
staying with him. He also
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identified the woman as trina
dorris. He also told us that
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she was with a man who
identified himself as mo.
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Robert brown had contacted
trina dorris and mo at the time
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in response to a sex ad that
had been placed in a magazine
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in San Antonio called "the
current." The ad was for, "have
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"sex with me. My husband likes
to watch." That never happened,
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although the promise of sex
kept coming. They told him they
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were from out of town. They
didn't have a place to stay. He
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allowed them to come to the
house and stay with him for a
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couple of nights. He remembered
that on the day that Rudy lopes
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was killed, Rudy called his
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trina, trying to get in touch
with her. Rudy had been
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scheduled to meet with her,
allegedly to have sex that day.
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Robert did tell us that trina
was a dancer, and she was going
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out looking for work as a
dancer. And so, what that
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necessitated was for the
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every strip club there was in
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sent investigators out
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he worked, but we did visit as
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could. We got lucky. We
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410, where trina was working
for a short period of time. And
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in finding that, we were able
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My name's Dan downing. I'm
one of the investigators that
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worked a murder case just south
of Indianapolis in 2000. We
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received information from San
Antonio officials that they had
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a similar case with an
individual that was shot and
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killed there, Rudy lopes. There
were some differences in Rudy
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lopes'death. However, they were
both bound behind the back.
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Both of the individuals were
shot in the head. Just prior to
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8:00 a. M., I was notified by
our communications center of a
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request for investigators at a
residence. I spoke with our
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uniformed officers that were on
the scene. They kind of gave me
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the rundown of what had taken
place. The homeowner was found
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in the trunk of a burning
vehicle just north of Morgan
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county. A passerby reported the
car fire. It was just off of a
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state highway. We learned via
dental records that it was
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robby bott. He was an airplane
mechanic locally here in
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Indianapolis. Basically, a
divorced father, kept to
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himself. Mr. Bott's home was
extremely neat. Everything had
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a place, and you could tell
that it was very well taken
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care of, but items were
missing. So, there were
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imprints from where a stereo
would have been sitting and
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different electronic items in
the house. We found in the
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kitchen area two chairs that
were facing each other and a
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large pile of cigarette ashes
to the side of one of those
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chairs. There was also a small
amount of blood droplets that
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were located around the chair.
That went along with our theory
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that some type of an
interrogation or negotiation
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that had taken place there in
the kitchen because they were
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low‐velocity droplets, like
someone had been struck. There
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were a couple fingerprints, but
the majority of the surfaces,
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as we printed every surface in
the residence, we found that
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they had been wiped off. On day
two of the investigation, we
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received a call from the
speedway police department that
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an identification belonging to
robby bott had been located in
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a rental property in speedway.
The actual landlord had been
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evicting his current tenants.
He had hired a cleaning crew to
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come in and clean out all the
property of the tenants that
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were living in the residence.
When they lifted up a couch
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cushion, they found a .22 rifle
and also the wallet. There was
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a great deal of blood that went
from the garage area through
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the service door into the
residence, and then down the
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stairway. Once we got to the
basement, we found a wardrobe
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that was lying on its back and
had a padlock hasp attached to
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the front of it. There was a
bullet projectile that was in
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the box itself. There was also
a pillow that had a
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through‐and‐through gunshot
wound, which would have been
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indicative to using a pillow
over the end of a firearm as a
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suppressor to muffle the sound.
A lot of the items that we
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found missing from Mr. Bott's
house were now being utilized
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in the speedway home. It
started to become more apparent
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that Mr. Bott was encountered
at his residence in some way
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and then taken to the secondary
location in speedway, where he
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was then kept for a period of
time until his final demise.
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Initially, we found some credit
card receipts at Mr. Bott's
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residence. The wallet did not
have any credit cards. So we
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started running through the
different credit services Mr.
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Bott's information in an
attempt to find out or trace
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his last steps. We found that
during the timeframe that Mr.
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Bott was abducted, he had went
to several locations and
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actually purchased numerous
household items. Generally,
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people don't go on a shopping
spree right before their death.
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We sent investigators to those
specific merchants to hopefully
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obtain surveillance video. In
one of the stores, Mr. Bott was
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walking along, pushing a
shopping cart that was full of
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numerous items. He was
accompanied by a female. Mr.
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Bott is shown in the video
looking up at the camera and
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mouthing, "help me." During the
examination of the bank records,
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we found that there were
purchases not only here in
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Indiana at a local sex shop,
but also in San Antonio, Texas,
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at a similar type of shop. We
also know that there's a female
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that's involved. So we also go
back to Mr. Bott's residence.
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We found in the master bedroom
but there was an empty condom
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wrapper lying on the floor next
to the bed. We also found that
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the bed sheets of the master
bedroom were gone. So at that
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point, we're looking at, "was
this a sexual encounter gone"
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wrong? Was this some type of
hook‐up, some type of a
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"prostitution element that had
went wrong for Mr. Bott?"
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During communications with San
Antonio police department, we
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learned that, through credit
card statements, there were
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purchases made in San Antonio,
Texas, and they had a similar
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case with an individual that
was shot and killed there and a
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male and female suspect who may
have been using aliases,
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possibly a trina dorris and a
male by the name of mo. We were
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able to identify trina dorris,
speak with her, and send
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photographs to San Antonio
police department so that they
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can compare with their videos.
It was not trina dorris. The
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landlord in speedway was
forthcoming with the
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information of who was renting
from him at that point time. He
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had originally made an
agreement with the individuals
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that were living there that
they were gonna do some
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maintenance to the residence in
lieu of paying rent. They
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hadn't been doing the
maintenance they agreed to, so
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he was going to evict them. The
folks that actually rented the
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place was Tess mcfarland and
Joshua Maxwell. Trina was a
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friend of Tess mcfarland and
apparently had been using her
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information as an alias. We
were able to run criminal
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histories and obtain booking
photos of both those
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individuals. We then compared
all of those photographs
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against the videos here in
Indiana, as well as the video
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from San Antonio, Texas, to
confirm that the people we were
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looking for, in fact, was Tess
mcfarland and Joshua Maxwell.
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My name is Tessie mcfarland.
I was born in the outskirts of
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Indianapolis, around wanamaker.
My biological father was killed
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when I was 2, but my mother
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my son's father, and we got
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for several years. Money was
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00:32:47,732 --> 00:32:55,283
broke up, I was kind of on my
own. Josh Maxwell, he was a
445
00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:59,487
friend of my brother's, and my
brother's friends, and during a
446
00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:03,825
summer that I was going to
driver's ed, I was at a party
447
00:33:03,849 --> 00:33:06,994
where we all sat around and was
watching basketball. That's the
448
00:33:07,018 --> 00:33:08,996
first time I'd ever been
introduced to him, and I was 15
449
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:17,020
at that time. Fast‐forward five
years, I reconnected with Josh
450
00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,843
Maxwell after he had been
released from prison. He's
451
00:33:21,867 --> 00:33:24,912
looking for my brother, my
stepsister, and people that he
452
00:33:24,936 --> 00:33:28,316
hung out with. Somehow, he ran
across my telephone number. I
453
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,819
was just like, "oh, wow," you
know, blast‐from‐the‐past type
454
00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:37,425
thing. I believe our romance
was an absolute whirlwind. He
455
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:42,029
immediately moved in, where I
was living at the time. Like,
456
00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:45,199
from almost ‐‐ from probably
two weeks in, we just had a
457
00:33:45,223 --> 00:33:49,670
very strong connection from the
very beginning. It happened so
458
00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:52,507
quickly that I think that's
also part of the reason why I
459
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:59,981
never seen red flags. I
originally met robby bott in
460
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:03,484
the bar that I was working at,
and he had worked for federal
461
00:34:03,508 --> 00:34:08,256
express and had been talking
about openings in his job, how
462
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,026
well they paid or whatever, and
so I had got a business card
463
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:16,230
from him. I thought this would
be a great fit for Josh. They
464
00:34:16,254 --> 00:34:19,567
started to set up meetings
where he could meet him in
465
00:34:19,591 --> 00:34:22,203
person and show him around. He
had came to our house. I had
466
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:26,007
been to his house. I never
really realized that there was
467
00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:29,010
maybe an underlining tone there,
maybe that he expected more out
468
00:34:29,034 --> 00:34:37,034
of me and Josh. I went to my
sister's house to spend the
469
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,956
night with her, her children,
and my son. We were gonna all
470
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:44,292
get up and go somewhere the
next day, and apparently, robby
471
00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:47,328
and Josh got into a pretty bad
argument in the basement of the
472
00:34:47,352 --> 00:34:50,665
house that we were renting at
the time. He shot and killed
473
00:34:50,689 --> 00:34:57,038
him. To my knowledge, Joshua
put robby's body in the trunk
474
00:34:57,062 --> 00:35:04,912
of a car and lit the car on
fire. I absolutely was forced
475
00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:12,936
into leaving Indiana. I would
have never left my child behind,
476
00:35:16,848 --> 00:35:22,330
period, consequences be (bleep)
I would have stayed. Josh was
477
00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:26,067
not going to allow me to stay
because he felt like I knew too
478
00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:28,703
much and that whatever I said
would lead the cops directly to
479
00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:33,507
where he would go. I was
handcuffed to every bed, every
480
00:35:33,531 --> 00:35:36,444
bedpost. He took the handset
off of every telephone in every
481
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:41,882
hotel room. I never went
anywhere by myself. I was
482
00:35:41,906 --> 00:35:45,019
absolutely in fear of my life.
One time I was able to write a
483
00:35:45,043 --> 00:35:47,955
note to the hotel clerk. I
would try to sneak it in, in
484
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:52,059
between the stacks of bills
that I was paying with. And I
485
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:56,197
don't know if they just thought
it was a joke or they just
486
00:35:56,221 --> 00:35:58,966
never looked into it, but
nobody ever contacted or
487
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:01,535
reached out to any number that
I left. We arrive at San
488
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:09,559
Antonio, and the car that we
were driving has got mechanical
489
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:15,416
problems. We go into a shoney's
restaurant, and not knowing at
490
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,320
this time, I guess Josh had
also contacted Rudy lopes. To
491
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:24,825
my knowledge, a sexual ad was
placed with Josh and an
492
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:27,361
ex‐boyfriend of his by the name
of trina, and it just happened
493
00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:29,764
to be something that was a
longstanding or a long‐running
494
00:36:29,788 --> 00:36:32,400
thing and you have to cancel
it. I don't know if it was a
495
00:36:32,424 --> 00:36:35,202
newspaper thing. I don't even
know anything about it.
496
00:36:35,226 --> 00:36:37,104
Apparently, Rudy had left a
message in his inbox, and he
497
00:36:37,128 --> 00:36:40,241
had gotten a hold of him. He
comes into the restaurant and
498
00:36:40,265 --> 00:36:42,376
sits down and tells Josh that a
cousin of his drives a tow
499
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,580
truck and he could get our car
towed to a mechanic, and he
500
00:36:46,604 --> 00:36:51,185
would give us a ride back to
the hotel. At that time, I
501
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:53,521
thought Rudy lopes was an
absolute stranger and just
502
00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:56,791
being nice, helping us with the
car. Later on is when I find
503
00:36:56,815 --> 00:37:01,629
out that this was all a setup.
This was something that Josh
504
00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:03,864
had planned. When we go to pick
up the car later on that night,
505
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:11,888
there was a bunch of trash in
the bed of his truck, and it
506
00:37:15,633 --> 00:37:18,913
was rolling around, making a
lot of noise and he was
507
00:37:18,937 --> 00:37:21,248
complaining about it. So he
wanted to get rid of it, and he
508
00:37:21,272 --> 00:37:23,317
felt like it was scratching the
bed of the truck up. And so, he
509
00:37:23,341 --> 00:37:26,454
asked, could he please pull in
there because he saw a
510
00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:29,690
dumpster. I was inside the
truck, and I have the radio on.
511
00:37:29,714 --> 00:37:34,628
I heard what I thought, like,
was a car backfiring. Josh
512
00:37:34,652 --> 00:37:38,999
explains, then, that they got
into a physical altercation.
513
00:37:39,023 --> 00:37:41,936
There was a discrepancy with
the amount of money that was
514
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,406
paid to have the car fixed and
a gun was pulled and ultimately,
515
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:50,411
Mr. Lopes was shot. I asked
Josh then, "what now? We have"
516
00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:54,515
"to go back and see what's
happened." And he's, like, not
517
00:37:54,539 --> 00:37:57,785
going to go for that. He gets
on the highway immediately and
518
00:37:57,809 --> 00:38:05,809
just starts driving. We arrived
in California middle of the day
519
00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:15,002
and was looking for a hotel to
stay in. We pull into a gas
520
00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:19,006
station and go in to get gas
and ask for directions, and we
521
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:23,911
no sooner get pulled out and I
notice that there is a cop
522
00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:29,683
behind us. The police officer
looks like, to me, that he is
523
00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:32,753
running the plates of this
truck. And I told Josh. He just
524
00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:36,791
tells me to put my seatbelt on.
And that, of course, was his
525
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:40,661
way of saying that he was not
going to pull over willingly.
526
00:38:40,685 --> 00:38:46,133
He shoots right behind my head.
And then he shoots another shot
527
00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:48,135
out the side window that's
rolled down. The rest of the
528
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:52,540
shots that were fired were by
the San Francisco police
529
00:38:52,564 --> 00:38:55,976
department. A motorcycle cop
pulled right up on the side of
530
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,013
the car and shot into the cab
window, and it knocked the cab
531
00:38:59,037 --> 00:39:02,049
window out and went into my
neck. Josh is now going down
532
00:39:02,073 --> 00:39:04,018
one‐way streets. He's hit two
cars. I mean, it's become mass
533
00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:08,956
chaos and confusion. And the
whole time, I have a bullet in
534
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:12,993
my neck. I start to freak out.
I'm bleeding a lot, losing a
535
00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:15,996
lot of blood, and so I take a
towel and I wrap around my neck
536
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:18,065
and I tell them to let my mom
and my son know that I love
537
00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:22,629
them.
538
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:31,027
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539
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:40,810
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protect.
540
00:39:40,845 --> 00:39:43,405
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541
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542
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and lock it inside.
543
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544
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My name is Jim kopp. I was
lead prosecutor in the capital
591
00:43:25,736 --> 00:43:27,147
murder prosecutions of Joshua
Maxwell and Tessie mcfarland.
592
00:43:27,171 --> 00:43:31,852
When this case occurred, I was
chief of the intake division of
593
00:43:31,876 --> 00:43:34,788
the bexar county district
attorney's office. We were
594
00:43:34,812 --> 00:43:37,791
aware of the murder of Rudy
lopes, but at that point in
595
00:43:37,815 --> 00:43:40,060
time, we did not know who had
committed the offense. The
596
00:43:40,084 --> 00:43:44,098
district attorney got a call
from San Francisco saying that
597
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:48,769
they had apprehended two people
that were involved in it. On
598
00:43:48,793 --> 00:43:53,140
October 17th, in San Francisco,
Joshua Maxwell and Tessie
599
00:43:53,164 --> 00:43:56,910
mcfarland were in Rudy
lopes'stolen pickup truck. They
600
00:43:56,934 --> 00:43:59,313
had run a red light. So a San
Francisco police officer pulled
601
00:43:59,337 --> 00:44:02,049
them over. When he approached,
they took off in the vehicle.
602
00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,718
He ran back to his car and gave
chase. There was a gunfight
603
00:44:04,742 --> 00:44:09,189
through the streets of San
Francisco about 5:00 in the
604
00:44:09,213 --> 00:44:17,213
afternoon. Ultimately, they
were able to stop them by a
605
00:44:19,891 --> 00:44:25,439
police officer knowing that
their direction of travel
606
00:44:25,463 --> 00:44:28,475
pulled crosswise into traffic,
so nobody could go forward. So
607
00:44:28,499 --> 00:44:32,513
they were able to stop the
truck and get them out. During
608
00:44:32,537 --> 00:44:37,885
the pursuit and gunfight in San
Francisco, the only person
609
00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:43,490
injured was Tessie mcfarland.
She was hit by a bullet. The
610
00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:45,959
San Francisco police officers
had no idea the car was stolen.
611
00:44:45,983 --> 00:44:49,229
They were simply pulling it
over for a red light. It was
612
00:44:49,253 --> 00:44:51,899
not known that Joshua Maxwell
and Tessie mcfarland were
613
00:44:51,923 --> 00:44:54,535
involved in an incident in
Indianapolis until after they
614
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:56,236
were apprehended in San
Francisco.
615
00:44:56,260 --> 00:45:04,260
Josh, what kind of vehicle
were you in?
616
00:45:05,203 --> 00:45:09,917
Uh, a gold Chevy truck.
Whose truck is that, Josh?
617
00:45:09,941 --> 00:45:14,021
Rudy, Rudolph lopes.
Josh, how is it that we came
618
00:45:14,045 --> 00:45:18,258
to be here today?
Uh, they pulled me over.
619
00:45:18,282 --> 00:45:22,863
The cops tried to pull you over?
620
00:45:22,887 --> 00:45:29,303
Yeah. That's when
I hit the gas.
621
00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,738
How come?
How come you took off?
622
00:45:31,762 --> 00:45:33,840
Uh, because I'm wanted back
home.
623
00:45:33,864 --> 00:45:36,677
For what?
Uh, murder.
624
00:45:36,701 --> 00:45:40,447
Josh pretty much wanted to
take full responsibility for
625
00:45:40,471 --> 00:45:44,551
the crime, and he did what
little he could to try to
626
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,920
shield Tessie from the
consequences of what they'd
627
00:45:46,944 --> 00:45:54,944
done. In terms of robby bott,
we know both from the
628
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:59,900
statements Joshua made, as well
as the evidence recovered in
629
00:45:59,924 --> 00:46:03,804
Indianapolis, that Joshua and
Tessie were in robby bott's
630
00:46:03,828 --> 00:46:07,708
house. They watched a movie, we
believe. At that point in time,
631
00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:10,811
we believe they abducted robby
bott. What they did is they
632
00:46:10,835 --> 00:46:15,749
took him to the basement of the
house that they were fixing up
633
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:21,221
in Indianapolis, put him in a
wardrobe in the basement, and
634
00:46:21,245 --> 00:46:26,560
locked it. They went back to
his house, took all kinds of
635
00:46:26,584 --> 00:46:30,063
items ‐‐ vacuum cleaners, all
kinds of things. Then they went
636
00:46:30,087 --> 00:46:35,235
back to the house. At that
point in time, they let him out
637
00:46:35,259 --> 00:46:39,306
of the closet, took him
upstairs, and they had him take
638
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:42,843
them shopping. They went to a
store in Indianapolis and
639
00:46:42,867 --> 00:46:47,214
charged up about $2,000 on his
credit card. And we have a
640
00:46:47,238 --> 00:46:50,917
video of this. Then they take
him back to the house in
641
00:46:50,941 --> 00:46:55,956
Indianapolis, then lock him
back up in the wardrobe. They
642
00:46:55,980 --> 00:47:00,560
take a pillow, shoot robby bott
several times, take the body,
643
00:47:00,584 --> 00:47:04,564
put it in the trunk of his car,
drive it to a deserted area
644
00:47:04,588 --> 00:47:12,439
outside of Indianapolis, and
set the car on fire. Well, both
645
00:47:12,463 --> 00:47:16,910
people, robby bott and Rudy
lopes, made contact with Joshua
646
00:47:16,934 --> 00:47:21,682
and Tessie through some type of
advertisement for sexual
647
00:47:21,706 --> 00:47:25,419
services. We don't really know
what hold they had over him,
648
00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:28,088
but I figured there was
probably some type of
649
00:47:28,112 --> 00:47:31,425
blackmail. I don't recall him
ever giving a motive for the
650
00:47:31,449 --> 00:47:34,561
killing. There was other
videotapes which we had
651
00:47:34,585 --> 00:47:38,899
recovered in which he indicated
a very strong dislike for the
652
00:47:38,923 --> 00:47:42,369
police. But other than that, we
didn't really have any
653
00:47:42,393 --> 00:47:49,710
particular motive, other than
probably just pure greed. After
654
00:47:49,734 --> 00:47:52,479
hearing the interview of Joshua
Maxwell, the detectives did
655
00:47:52,503 --> 00:47:55,182
want to talk to Tessie. Tessie
he was in the hospital
656
00:47:55,206 --> 00:47:58,819
undergoing medical treatment.
She never indicated that she
657
00:47:58,843 --> 00:48:01,421
was involved in what had
occurred during her statements
658
00:48:01,445 --> 00:48:04,491
to the police.
I mean, you have to
659
00:48:04,515 --> 00:48:07,327
understand the ‐‐ the situation
I'm in. If I don't do
660
00:48:07,351 --> 00:48:10,097
everything he says ‐‐
we understand that.
661
00:48:10,121 --> 00:48:12,632
One phone call, and my
family could be dead. That is
662
00:48:12,656 --> 00:48:14,968
the only reason I never went to
the police before this. Because
663
00:48:14,992 --> 00:48:19,673
I was scared. All the facts and
circumstances surrounding this
664
00:48:19,697 --> 00:48:23,276
case led us to believe that
Tessie was fully involved in
665
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:27,514
everything that occurred. We
don't believe she pulled the
666
00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,484
trigger. There were certainly
no evidence of that. But there
667
00:48:30,508 --> 00:48:34,054
was also no evidence that she
wasn't involved in every aspect
668
00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:42,078
of what went down. Before I
went to San Francisco, all we
669
00:48:42,987 --> 00:48:45,799
really knew is that they were
apprehended in Rudy lopes'car.
670
00:48:45,823 --> 00:48:49,536
We didn't have a whole bunch
more evidence at that point in
671
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,372
time. But once we heard from
the San Francisco detectives
672
00:48:52,396 --> 00:48:56,009
that Joshua had confessed to
what had occurred in San
673
00:48:56,033 --> 00:49:01,681
Antonio, at that point in time,
we had a pretty strong case.
674
00:49:01,705 --> 00:49:04,117
The district attorney of bexar
county called me into her
675
00:49:04,141 --> 00:49:06,319
office and told me to fly up to
San Francisco because she
676
00:49:06,343 --> 00:49:09,423
wanted me to make every effort
to see that we could get him
677
00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:13,293
back to Texas to stand trial.
One of the main reasons was
678
00:49:13,317 --> 00:49:16,963
that they had killed a Texas
police officer. And of course,
679
00:49:16,987 --> 00:49:21,768
it was a horrendous offense
that we certainly wanted them
680
00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:26,706
to face justice for. It was my
understanding from Indiana that
681
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:30,544
they would not be able to put
on in their trial what had
682
00:49:30,568 --> 00:49:32,646
occurred in Texas, whereas in
Texas, in our punishment phase
683
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:35,148
of the capital murder trial, we
could put on what occurred in
684
00:49:35,172 --> 00:49:38,018
Indiana. The jury would know it
was not only one murder. It was
685
00:49:38,042 --> 00:49:40,982
two cold‐blooded murders
committed for profit.
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When I heard about the
shoot‐out in San Francisco with
747
00:53:55,032 --> 00:53:57,911
Josh Maxwell and Tessie
mcfarland and that they had
748
00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:01,715
been the ones who were accused
of killing my tío Rudy, I was
749
00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,551
extremely thankful whenever
they did catch them.
750
00:54:04,575 --> 00:54:08,121
We had numerous items
linking them back to the crime
751
00:54:08,145 --> 00:54:11,758
here in Indiana. There were
also witnesses that were
752
00:54:11,782 --> 00:54:14,527
placing them in San Antonio. We
had video evidence. We had
753
00:54:14,551 --> 00:54:17,997
fingerprints. The evidence was
definitely overwhelming against
754
00:54:18,021 --> 00:54:25,672
both.
Joshua and Tessie were
755
00:54:25,696 --> 00:54:29,609
indicted for capital murder,
but we couldn't try them
756
00:54:29,633 --> 00:54:32,278
together. Joshua had prior
convictions out of Indiana, so
757
00:54:32,302 --> 00:54:34,147
because of that, we could not
try Tessie with him.
758
00:54:34,171 --> 00:54:42,171
Josh stood trial in February
of 2002. We attended that trial
759
00:54:46,984 --> 00:54:49,529
and presented evidence from the
Indiana case. Josh had already
760
00:54:49,553 --> 00:54:53,533
confessed to being the trigger
man and being the mastermind
761
00:54:53,557 --> 00:54:56,002
behind this entire crime spree.
I followed that trial like
762
00:54:56,026 --> 00:54:59,105
nobody's business. I wish I was
a little bit older, so I could
763
00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:00,840
have been a little bit more
involved, but I guess it's kind
764
00:55:00,864 --> 00:55:04,444
of a good thing. I've heard it
was pretty graphic with all the
765
00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:09,249
pictures in there.
When Joshua and Tessie were
766
00:55:09,273 --> 00:55:11,551
apprehended in San Francisco,
in the truck were some
767
00:55:11,575 --> 00:55:16,589
videotapes and a video camera
that they had used to film some
768
00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:24,613
recordings.
One of the main things that.
769
00:55:25,489 --> 00:55:30,270
I participated in in trial was
introducing these tapes to show
770
00:55:30,294 --> 00:55:33,473
not only Joshua maxwell's
personality, because in these
771
00:55:33,497 --> 00:55:38,211
tapes, he's smoking dope, he's
using drugs, he's walking
772
00:55:38,235 --> 00:55:44,117
around with a gun. He's
portraying himself as that
773
00:55:44,141 --> 00:55:49,155
gangster persona.
Joshua Maxwell ‐‐ he never
774
00:55:49,179 --> 00:55:53,459
testified, but during his
incarceration in Texas, he had,
775
00:55:53,483 --> 00:55:57,363
without provocation or any
excuse, attacked a jail guard.
776
00:55:57,387 --> 00:55:59,966
And that was further evidence
we were able to offer at the
777
00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:02,635
trial to show that he'd be a
future danger.
778
00:56:02,659 --> 00:56:09,776
The defense's position in
every death penalty case is to
779
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,679
mitigate the actors
involvement. "Show me something"
780
00:56:12,703 --> 00:56:15,815
in this man's life that he
didn't have a choice. It was a
781
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:18,084
bad childhood. He was raised
horribly. He's got mental
782
00:56:18,108 --> 00:56:19,953
"deficiencies or mental issues
that he can't deal with."
783
00:56:19,977 --> 00:56:25,058
During the trial, it did
come up that Joshua, at about
784
00:56:25,082 --> 00:56:27,760
the age of 12 or 13, found out
that he had been adopted and,
785
00:56:27,784 --> 00:56:29,495
of course, didn't take very
well to that. And that that was
786
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:31,364
part of the reason why he fell
into the violent crimes.
787
00:56:31,388 --> 00:56:33,366
That's what I'm talking
about right there.
788
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:36,069
To me, it wasn't very
compelling.
789
00:56:36,093 --> 00:56:38,238
Look down the barrel, mother
(Bleep) My (bleep) Ha!
790
00:56:38,262 --> 00:56:40,206
At the conclusion of that
trial, Joshua Maxwell was
791
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:42,976
sentenced to death. He was
incarcerated in huntsville and
792
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:51,000
remained there on death row.
About a year later, we tried
793
00:56:54,578 --> 00:57:02,578
Tessie. We had all intentions
of moving forward with the
794
00:57:04,821 --> 00:57:08,635
death penalty against her.
We had a pretty strong case.
795
00:57:08,659 --> 00:57:11,471
There was a sex tape that
Tessie and Joshua had filmed,
796
00:57:11,495 --> 00:57:13,806
along with the third person
that we don't know who we was,
797
00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:15,275
just laughing and having a
great time.
798
00:57:15,299 --> 00:57:19,979
Her defense was, "I'm a
victim. Joshua forced me."
799
00:57:20,003 --> 00:57:22,615
Joshua kept me. But those tapes
proved that that wasn't so."
800
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:28,154
Okay, now, get up.
Alright.
801
00:57:28,178 --> 00:57:35,461
The tapes, as well as all
the other evidence, led us to
802
00:57:35,485 --> 00:57:40,266
believe that Tessie was fully
complicit in what had occurred,
803
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:41,467
that she wasn't acting under
duress.
804
00:57:41,491 --> 00:57:46,205
I can't say that I've ever
been in that type of abusive
805
00:57:46,229 --> 00:57:50,176
relationship, and I'm not
trying to talk down anybody
806
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,580
who's like that, but she knew
what she was doing. She chose
807
00:57:54,604 --> 00:57:57,850
not to call the police. Even
though she didn't pull the
808
00:57:57,874 --> 00:58:05,391
trigger, she's just as guilty.
About two weeks into jury
809
00:58:05,415 --> 00:58:09,729
selection, Tessie came to us
and indicated that she wanted
810
00:58:09,753 --> 00:58:14,667
to plead guilty to capital
murder if we would waive the
811
00:58:14,691 --> 00:58:18,871
death penalty. We conferred and
agreed to do that. The state
812
00:58:18,895 --> 00:58:21,808
waived the death penalty, so
she was assessed a life
813
00:58:21,832 --> 00:58:25,111
sentence. She'll be eligible
for parole in 40 calendar years
814
00:58:25,135 --> 00:58:28,448
under Texas law. I was
satisfied with the outcome.
815
00:58:28,472 --> 00:58:36,472
I don't think that justice
was served because Tessie
816
00:58:36,747 --> 00:58:40,326
mcfarland deserves to die. The
things that she and Joshua
817
00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,528
Maxwell did to robby bott in
Indianapolis are just horrific.
818
00:58:42,552 --> 00:58:47,567
The outcome, it's provided
some closure with my family,
819
00:58:47,591 --> 00:58:51,004
but I don't think there'll ever
be any full closure because our
820
00:58:51,028 --> 00:58:58,678
question would still be "why?"
Why would they do that to
821
00:58:58,702 --> 00:59:04,550
anybody?
They would do these things
822
00:59:04,574 --> 00:59:08,221
to two different people,
essentially torture them both
823
00:59:08,245 --> 00:59:10,490
by holding them, shooting them,
everything else they had done
824
00:59:10,514 --> 00:59:14,494
to them. And it was pure evil.
Looking back on that
825
00:59:14,518 --> 00:59:17,630
situation, I would have handled
things in a completely
826
00:59:17,654 --> 00:59:20,366
different manner. I'm almost 40
years old now. I'm a completely
827
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:23,903
different person. I absolutely
feel horrible for everybody
828
00:59:23,927 --> 00:59:26,406
involved. If I could take
either one of their places, I
829
00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:31,310
would. I absolutely would.
No one ever expects it to
830
00:59:31,334 --> 00:59:35,882
happen to them. Hold your loved
ones very close. Tell them how
831
00:59:35,906 --> 00:59:42,506
much you love them every single
day.
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