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>> A BODY THAT WAS FOUND OUT BEHIND A STRIP CENTER FACE‐DOWN

WITH HIS HANDS TIED BEHIND HIS BACK.

>> WE WERE ALL JUST BELIEF AND THINKING, "NO, IT CAN’T BE

HIM." >> IT WAS NOT ONLY ONE. IT WAS

TWO COLD‐BLOODED MURDERS. >> IN THE RESIDENCE, THERE WAS

A GREAT DEAL OF BLOOD. WE FOUND WHAT WOULD BE DESCRIBED AS A

MAKESHIFT COFFIN. >> IT WAS PURE PROFIT, AND IT

WAS PURE EVIL THAT THEY WOULD DO THESE THINGS TO DIFFERENT

PEOPLE. >> A SEX AD HAD BEEN PLACED.

THE AD WAS FOR, "HAVE SEX WITH ME. MY HUSBAND LIKES TO WATCH."

>> HE WAS NOT GOING TO PULL OVER WILLINGLY. I WAS

ABSOLUTELY IN FEAR OF MY LIFE. >> FIVE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES.

FIVE POINTS OF VIEW. ONE MURDER.

>> I’M RUDY LOPES’NIECE. >> MY NAME IS BUTCH MATJEKA.

>> MY NAME IS DAN DOWNING. >> I WAS THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR.

>> I WAS LEAD PROSECUTOR. >> I WAS CONVICTED OF CAPITAL

MURDER IN 2003. >> I’M NICOLE ACOSTA, AND I AM

RUDY LOPES’NIECE. MY TÍO RUDY WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE UNCLES.

HE GREW UP IN SAN ANTONIO. HE HAD TWO VERY LOVING PARENTS. HE

WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE MY COUSIN AND I TO GET GOOD GRADES,

AND EVERY TIME WE GOT AN "A" ON OUR REPORT CARD, WE WOULD GO TO

A RESTAURANT. AND HE WAS JUST AN OVERALL, LIKE, LOVING

PERSON. HE WOULD BRING MY AUNT FLOWERS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS,

YOU KNOW, TUESDAY. HE WAS WORKING AS SHERIFF AT THE JAIL,

BEXAR COUNTY. HE WORE THAT BADGE WITH A LOT OF PRIDE. HE

WAS ABLE TO CLIMB THE RANKS THERE AT THE BEXAR COUNTY JAIL

AS A SHERIFF. HE WAS VERY, VERY PROUD AND VERY DETERMINED TO

MOVE UP. AND, YOU KNOW, HE LOVED TO DO WHAT HE DID. IF

ANYONE WAS DOING ANYTHING INCORRECTLY OR WRONG, WE WOULD

TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, "MY TÍO RUDY’S THE SHERIFF, SO HE’S

GONNA COME GET YOU." >> TÍO RUDY AND MY TÍA ALMA

WERE HONESTLY A LOVE STORY. THE WAY THEY JUST GOT ALONG

TOGETHER, THEY NEVER FOUGHT IN FRONT OF US, AND I’M NOT EVEN

SURE IF THEY EVEN FOUGHT ABOUT ANYTHING. WHEN MY TÍO RUDY AND

MY TÍA ALMA GOT MARRIED, I WAS MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS OLD.

THEY JUST LOVED EACH OTHER SO MUCH, AND YOU COULD TELL EVERY

TIME, YOU KNOW, AT FAMILY EVENTS, TÍO RUDY AND TÍA ALMA

WERE ALWAYS TOGETHER. AND THEY WOULD GO TO THE COAST EVERY

SINGLE YEAR FOR THEIR ANNIVERSARY. AND ACTUALLY, THAT

YEAR HE WAS PLANNING TO GO ON A CRUISE. THE NIGHT OF OCTOBER

11TH, MY TÍO RUDY DIDN’T SHOW UP AT HOME. AT FIRST, MY TÍA

ALMA WAS LIKE, "OH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE PICKED UP A SECOND JOB,

" MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HE WENT OUT WITH HIS FRIENDS AND JUST

FORGOT TO TELL HER. WHEN HE WASN’T ANSWERING HIS PHONE, HE

STILL HADN’T SHOWED UP HOURS LATER, SHE HAD CALLED MISSING

PERSONS AND REACHED OUT TO OUR FAMILY FRIEND, WHO WAS ALSO IN

THE SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THIS IS VERY, VERY UNLIKE

MY UNCLE RUDY TO NOT SHOW UP, NOT CALL. IN THE MORNING OF

FRIDAY THE 13TH, I WOKE UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND TRIED

TO GO BACK TO SLEEP. AND THEN I HEARD THE PHONE RINGING. IT

JUST KEPT RINGING AND RINGING, AND SO FINALLY, I WAS SITTING

UP. I WAS ABOUT TO GO ANSWER IT, TO FIGURE OUT WHO’S CALLING AT

THIS TIME. AND THEN I HEARD MY MOM’S FOOTSTEPS AND SHE

ANSWERED THE PHONE. AND ‐‐ AND SHE JUST STARTED CRYING. I WAS

IN THE FOURTH GRADE AT THE TIME, SO I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS

HAPPENING. SO I WENT TO GO COMFORT HER. AND THEN SHE TOLD

ME THAT MY UNCLE HAD BEEN SHOT. OUR FAMILY FRIEND ACTUALLY KNEW

WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO MY UNCLE RUDY, BUT WASN’T ABLE TO TELL

MY TÍA ALMA OVER THE PHONE ’CAUSE IT WASN’T CORRECT

PROTOCOL. I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO DEPUTIES WHO SHOWED UP TO BREAK

THE NEWS TO HER, ABOUT WHERE HE WAS FOUND AND THAT HE WAS

FOUND. SHE COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. AND SHE WAS LIKE, "NO, NOT MY

RUDY. IT CAN’T BE." LIKE THE REST OF THE FAMILY, TOO, THAT

HE’S NO LONGER WITH US.

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>> MY NAME IS BUTCH MATJEKA, AND I WAS THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR

ON THE MURDER OF RUDY LOPES. ON OCTOBER 12, 2000, IT WAS LATE

IN THE AFTERNOON. I WAS GETTING READY TO GO HOME. OUR SHIFT WAS

JUST ABOUT ENDING. AND OUR OFFICE GOT A CALL FOR A DOA, A

BODY THAT WAS FOUND OUT BEHIND A STRIP CENTER OFF THOUSAND

OAKS IN NORTH SAN ANTONIO. RUDY’S BODY WAS FOUND BY SOME

YOUNG GIRLS WHO WERE WALKING BEHIND THE STRIP CENTER. COURSE,

THEY BECAME VERY SCARED, RAN HOME, AND PARENTS WERE THE ONES

THAT MADE THE 9‐1‐1 CALL. HE WAS FACE‐DOWN WITH HIS HANDS

TIED BEHIND HIS BACK. HE HAD ANOTHER PIECE OF CLOTH OR A

SHIRT THAT WAS WRAPPED AROUND HIS EYES AS A KIND OF A

BLINDFOLD. WE DIDN’T GET A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THE GIRLS.

SO WE BEGAN WHAT WE CALL A CANVASS. WE START KNOCKING ON

DOORS, TALKING TO PEOPLE AND SEE IF THEY HEARD ANYTHING, IF

THEY SAW ANYTHING. THE OWNER OF THE KARATE SCHOOL, CHARLES

DUDLEY, HE TOLD US THAT THE NIGHT BEFORE, AS HE WAS CLOSING

UP, HE SAW A NEWER MODEL CHEVY TRUCK PULL INTO THE AREA AT THE

END OF THE STRIP CENTER AND GO AROUND BEHIND IT. AND RUDY HAD

A BRAND NEW 2000 CHEVY TRUCK, DUAL CAB, GOLD IN COLOR.

CONSIDERING THE TIME OF THE NIGHT, IT WAS STILL FAIRLY

EARLY, 9:00. I DON’T THINK HE REALLY THOUGHT ANYTHING ILLEGAL

WAS GOING ON. IT WAS JUST UNUSUAL FOR HIM TO SEE IT. AND

OF COURSE, IT DREW HIS ATTENTION BECAUSE THAT’S HIS

BUSINESS. WE DIDN’T GET MUCH FROM ANYBODY ELSE IN THE STRIP

CENTER, BUT AS THE STORY CAME OUT ON THE NEWS, WE HAD A

POLICE OFFICER THAT CALLED US THE VERY NEXT DAY AND TOLD US

THAT WHILE HE WAS ON PATROL, HE HEARD A GUNSHOT GO OFF. SO WITH

WHAT MR. DUDLEY TOLD US AND WHAT THE OFFICER TOLD US ABOUT

THE TIME OF HEARING THE GUNSHOT, WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE RUDY’S

DEATH AROUND 10:00 THAT NIGHT. WE WENT AND TALKED TO ALMA

LOPES, RUDY’S WIFE. WE LEARNED THAT RUDY HAD WORKED IN THE

JAIL. HE WAS A JAIL SERGEANT AT THE TIME, HAD A GOOD

REPUTATION. ALMA NEVER GAVE US ANY INDICATION THAT RUDY HAD

ANY THREATS MADE, THAT ANYBODY WAS OUT FOR REVENGE FROM THE

JAIL. THE ONLY THING THAT KIND OF DREW OUR ATTENTION WAS SHE

TOLD US THAT THEY WERE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY IN THE

MARRIAGE. IT HAD BEEN SOME TIME SINCE THEY HAD BEEN TOGETHER.

WE PULLED HIS BANK RECORDS. WE PULLED ALL OF HIS PHONE

RECORDS. BASICALLY JUST THREW OUT A WIDE NET. "LET’S SEE

WHERE HE’S BEEN. LET’S SEE WHAT HE’S BEEN DOING." AS WE LOOKED

THROUGH HIS FINANCIAL RECORDS, WHAT WE DID SEE WAS THERE WAS A

PURCHASE MADE AT FREDERICK’S OF HOLLYWOOD. I THINK IT WAS

AROUND $90. ALMA TOLD US HE HADN’T BROUGHT ANYTHING HOME

FROM FREDERICK’S. SO AT THAT POINT, WE STARTED TO BELIEVE

THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF AN AFFAIR, BUT WE

WEREN’T REALLY SURE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT YET. WE SENT A

TEAM OF INVESTIGATORS TO FREDERICK’S OF HOLLYWOOD TO

LOOK INTO THIS. CLERKS SEE SO MANY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

IT’S HARD FOR THEM TO REMEMBER. BUT AMAZINGLY, THE CLERK IN

THIS PARTICULAR CASE DID REMEMBER RUDY FROM THE

DESCRIPTION. SHE ALSO REMEMBERED THAT WHEN RUDY CAME

IN, HE WAS WITH TWO PEOPLE, A YOUNG GIRL AND ANOTHER MALE.

AND HER IDEA, WHEN THIS PURCHASE WAS MADE, WAS THAT

RUDY WAS BUYING THE NEGLIGEE FOR THE YOUNG GIRL. WE ASKED

ABOUT WHETHER HE SEEMED TO BE COERCED. AND HER RESPONSE TO US

WAS, "NO, THIS WAS VERY WILLING, VERY VOLUNTARY." THERE WAS

NOTHING THAT WOULD GIVE HER ANY INDICATION THAT ANYTHING WAS

WRONG AT THAT TIME. AS WE CONTINUED TO LOOK THROUGH

RUDY’S FINANCIAL RECORDS, WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WERE TWO

WITHDRAWALS FROM AN ATM MACHINE FROM RUDY’S BANK ON THE DAY

THAT WE BELIEVE HE WAS KIDNAPPED AND MURDERED. ONE OF

THE WITHDRAWALS WAS FOR $100. THE OTHER WITHDRAWAL WAS FOR

$300. WE WENT TO RUDY’S BANK, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND

VIDEO FOOTAGE THAT SHOWED A YOUNG GIRL DRIVING A ‐‐ WHAT

APPEARS TO BE A NEWER CHEVY MODEL TRUCK, LEANING OUT THE

WINDOW, PUTTING IN THE PIN NUMBER AND MAKING BOTH

WITHDRAWALS BEFORE SHE DROVE AWAY. RUDY WASN’T IN THE VIDEO.

SO WE CONTINUED TO LOOK THROUGH HIS TELEPHONE RECORDS, AND WE

FOUND A NUMBER OF CALLS THAT HAD BEEN PLACED TO A NUMBER OF

HOTELS ALONG THE IH‐35 CORRIDOR IN SAN ANTONIO. WE SENT A TEAM

OF INVESTIGATORS TO THE HOTELS. AND AGAIN, THANKFULLY, WE CAME

ACROSS A CLERK WHO REMEMBERED THE CALLS BEING MADE. THEY

SHOWED HER THE PICTURE FROM THE ATM. THE CLERK REMEMBERED THE

WOMAN AND IDENTIFIED HER FROM CHECKING IN AS A GIRL NAMED

TRINA DORRIS. WELL, WE DON’T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON

TRINA DORRIS, OTHER THAN HER NAME. SO, THERE’S NOT A WHOLE

LOT WE CAN DO. WE CONTINUE TO COMB THROUGH HIS TELEPHONE

RECORDS, AND WE FIND A PHONE NUMBER THAT HE MADE FOUR PHONE

CALLS TO THE DAY HE DIED. THAT COMES BACK TO A ROBERT BROWN.

WE WENT TO TALK TO MR. BROWN. WHEN WE TALKED TO MR. BROWN, HE

REMEMBERED RUDY LOPES CALLING HIS HOME, TRYING TO GET IN

TOUCH WITH A WOMAN WHO HAD BEEN STAYING WITH HIM. HE ALSO

IDENTIFIED THE WOMAN AS TRINA DORRIS. HE ALSO TOLD US THAT

SHE WAS WITH A MAN WHO IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS MO.

ROBERT BROWN HAD CONTACTED TRINA DORRIS AND MO AT THE TIME

IN RESPONSE TO A SEX AD THAT HAD BEEN PLACED IN A MAGAZINE

IN SAN ANTONIO CALLED "THE CURRENT." THE AD WAS FOR, "HAVE

SEX WITH ME. MY HUSBAND LIKES TO WATCH." THAT NEVER HAPPENED,

ALTHOUGH THE PROMISE OF SEX KEPT COMING. THEY TOLD HIM THEY

WERE FROM OUT OF TOWN. THEY DIDN’T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY. HE

ALLOWED THEM TO COME TO THE HOUSE AND STAY WITH HIM FOR A

COUPLE OF NIGHTS. HE REMEMBERED THAT ON THE DAY THAT RUDY LOPES

WAS KILLED, RUDY CALLED HIS HOUSE FOUR TIMES LOOKING FOR

TRINA, TRYING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HER. RUDY HAD BEEN

SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH HER, ALLEGEDLY TO HAVE SEX THAT DAY.

ROBERT DID TELL US THAT TRINA WAS A DANCER, AND SHE WAS GOING

OUT LOOKING FOR WORK AS A DANCER. AND SO, WHAT THAT

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EVERY STRIP CLUB THERE WAS IN SAN ANTONIO AT THAT TIME. WE

SENT INVESTIGATORS OUT PRIMARILY AROUND THE AREA WHERE

HE WORKED, BUT WE DID VISIT AS MANY STRIP CLUBS AS WE POSSIBLY

COULD. WE GOT LUCKY. WE ACTUALLY FOUND A STRIP CLUB ON

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WORKED A MURDER CASE JUST SOUTH OF INDIANAPOLIS IN 2000. WE

RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM SAN ANTONIO OFFICIALS THAT THEY HAD

A SIMILAR CASE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SHOT AND

KILLED THERE, RUDY LOPES. THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENCES IN RUDY

LOPES’DEATH. HOWEVER, THEY WERE BOTH BOUND BEHIND THE BACK.

BOTH OF THE INDIVIDUALS WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD. JUST PRIOR TO

8:00 A. M., I WAS NOTIFIED BY OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER OF A

REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATORS AT A RESIDENCE. I SPOKE WITH OUR

UNIFORMED OFFICERS THAT WERE ON THE SCENE. THEY KIND OF GAVE ME

THE RUNDOWN OF WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE. THE HOMEOWNER WAS FOUND

IN THE TRUNK OF A BURNING VEHICLE JUST NORTH OF MORGAN

COUNTY. A PASSERBY REPORTED THE CAR FIRE. IT WAS JUST OFF OF A

STATE HIGHWAY. WE LEARNED VIA DENTAL RECORDS THAT IT WAS

ROBBY BOTT. HE WAS AN AIRPLANE MECHANIC LOCALLY HERE IN

INDIANAPOLIS. BASICALLY, A DIVORCED FATHER, KEPT TO

HIMSELF. MR. BOTT’S HOME WAS EXTREMELY NEAT. EVERYTHING HAD

A PLACE, AND YOU COULD TELL THAT IT WAS VERY WELL TAKEN

CARE OF, BUT ITEMS WERE MISSING. SO, THERE WERE

IMPRINTS FROM WHERE A STEREO WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING AND

DIFFERENT ELECTRONIC ITEMS IN THE HOUSE. WE FOUND IN THE

KITCHEN AREA TWO CHAIRS THAT WERE FACING EACH OTHER AND A

LARGE PILE OF CIGARETTE ASHES TO THE SIDE OF ONE OF THOSE

CHAIRS. THERE WAS ALSO A SMALL AMOUNT OF BLOOD DROPLETS THAT

WERE LOCATED AROUND THE CHAIR. THAT WENT ALONG WITH OUR THEORY

THAT SOME TYPE OF AN INTERROGATION OR NEGOTIATION

THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE THERE IN THE KITCHEN BECAUSE THEY WERE

LOW‐VELOCITY DROPLETS, LIKE SOMEONE HAD BEEN STRUCK. THERE

WERE A COUPLE FINGERPRINTS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE SURFACES,

AS WE PRINTED EVERY SURFACE IN THE RESIDENCE, WE FOUND THAT

THEY HAD BEEN WIPED OFF. ON DAY TWO OF THE INVESTIGATION, WE

RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE SPEEDWAY POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT

AN IDENTIFICATION BELONGING TO ROBBY BOTT HAD BEEN LOCATED IN

A RENTAL PROPERTY IN SPEEDWAY. THE ACTUAL LANDLORD HAD BEEN

EVICTING HIS CURRENT TENANTS. HE HAD HIRED A CLEANING CREW TO

COME IN AND CLEAN OUT ALL THE PROPERTY OF THE TENANTS THAT

WERE LIVING IN THE RESIDENCE. WHEN THEY LIFTED UP A COUCH

CUSHION, THEY FOUND A .22 RIFLE AND ALSO THE WALLET. THERE WAS

A GREAT DEAL OF BLOOD THAT WENT FROM THE GARAGE AREA THROUGH

THE SERVICE DOOR INTO THE RESIDENCE, AND THEN DOWN THE

STAIRWAY. ONCE WE GOT TO THE BASEMENT, WE FOUND A WARDROBE

THAT WAS LYING ON ITS BACK AND HAD A PADLOCK HASP ATTACHED TO

THE FRONT OF IT. THERE WAS A BULLET PROJECTILE THAT WAS IN

THE BOX ITSELF. THERE WAS ALSO A PILLOW THAT HAD A

THROUGH‐AND‐THROUGH GUNSHOT WOUND, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN

INDICATIVE TO USING A PILLOW OVER THE END OF A FIREARM AS A

SUPPRESSOR TO MUFFLE THE SOUND. A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT WE

FOUND MISSING FROM MR. BOTT’S HOUSE WERE NOW BEING UTILIZED

IN THE SPEEDWAY HOME. IT STARTED TO BECOME MORE APPARENT

THAT MR. BOTT WAS ENCOUNTERED AT HIS RESIDENCE IN SOME WAY

AND THEN TAKEN TO THE SECONDARY LOCATION IN SPEEDWAY, WHERE HE

WAS THEN KEPT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL HIS FINAL DEMISE.

INITIALLY, WE FOUND SOME CREDIT CARD RECEIPTS AT MR. BOTT’S

RESIDENCE. THE WALLET DID NOT HAVE ANY CREDIT CARDS. SO WE

STARTED RUNNING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT CREDIT SERVICES MR.

BOTT’S INFORMATION IN AN ATTEMPT TO FIND OUT OR TRACE

HIS LAST STEPS. WE FOUND THAT DURING THE TIMEFRAME THAT MR.

BOTT WAS ABDUCTED, HE HAD WENT TO SEVERAL LOCATIONS AND

ACTUALLY PURCHASED NUMEROUS HOUSEHOLD ITEMS. GENERALLY,

PEOPLE DON’T GO ON A SHOPPING SPREE RIGHT BEFORE THEIR DEATH.

WE SENT INVESTIGATORS TO THOSE SPECIFIC MERCHANTS TO HOPEFULLY

OBTAIN SURVEILLANCE VIDEO. IN ONE OF THE STORES, MR. BOTT WAS

WALKING ALONG, PUSHING A SHOPPING CART THAT WAS FULL OF

NUMEROUS ITEMS. HE WAS ACCOMPANIED BY A FEMALE. MR.

BOTT IS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO LOOKING UP AT THE CAMERA AND

MOUTHING, "HELP ME." DURING THE EXAMINATION OF THE BANK RECORDS,

WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE PURCHASES NOT ONLY HERE IN

INDIANA AT A LOCAL SEX SHOP, BUT ALSO IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS,

AT A SIMILAR TYPE OF SHOP. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE’S A FEMALE

THAT’S INVOLVED. SO WE ALSO GO BACK TO MR. BOTT’S RESIDENCE.

WE FOUND IN THE MASTER BEDROOM BUT THERE WAS AN EMPTY CONDOM

WRAPPER LYING ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO THE BED. WE ALSO FOUND THAT

THE BED SHEETS OF THE MASTER BEDROOM WERE GONE. SO AT THAT

POINT, WE’RE LOOKING AT, "WAS THIS A SEXUAL ENCOUNTER GONE

WRONG? WAS THIS SOME TYPE OF HOOK‐UP, SOME TYPE OF A

PROSTITUTION ELEMENT THAT HAD WENT WRONG FOR MR. BOTT? "

DURING COMMUNICATIONS WITH SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE

LEARNED THAT, THROUGH CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS, THERE WERE

PURCHASES MADE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, AND THEY HAD A SIMILAR

CASE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SHOT AND KILLED THERE AND A

MALE AND FEMALE SUSPECT WHO MAY HAVE BEEN USING ALIASES,

POSSIBLY A TRINA DORRIS AND A MALE BY THE NAME OF MO. WE WERE

ABLE TO IDENTIFY TRINA DORRIS, SPEAK WITH HER, AND SEND

PHOTOGRAPHS TO SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY

CAN COMPARE WITH THEIR VIDEOS. IT WAS NOT TRINA DORRIS. THE

LANDLORD IN SPEEDWAY WAS FORTHCOMING WITH THE

INFORMATION OF WHO WAS RENTING FROM HIM AT THAT POINT TIME. HE

HAD ORIGINALLY MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE INDIVIDUALS

THAT WERE LIVING THERE THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO SOME

MAINTENANCE TO THE RESIDENCE IN LIEU OF PAYING RENT. THEY

HADN’T BEEN DOING THE MAINTENANCE THEY AGREED TO, SO

HE WAS GOING TO EVICT THEM. THE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY RENTED THE

PLACE WAS TESS MCFARLAND AND JOSHUA MAXWELL. TRINA WAS A

FRIEND OF TESS MCFARLAND AND APPARENTLY HAD BEEN USING HER

INFORMATION AS AN ALIAS. WE WERE ABLE TO RUN CRIMINAL

HISTORIES AND OBTAIN BOOKING PHOTOS OF BOTH THOSE

INDIVIDUALS. WE THEN COMPARED ALL OF THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS

AGAINST THE VIDEOS HERE IN INDIANA, AS WELL AS THE VIDEO

FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, TO CONFIRM THAT THE PEOPLE WE WERE

LOOKING FOR, IN FACT, WAS TESS MCFARLAND AND JOSHUA MAXWELL.

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WHEN I WAS 2, BUT MY MOTHER REMARRIED EARLY ON, AND MY

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MY SON’S FATHER, AND WE GOT TOGETHER AND STAYED TOGETHER

FOR SEVERAL YEARS. MONEY WAS JUST SO TIGHT THAT WHEN WE

BROKE UP, I WAS KIND OF ON MY OWN. JOSH MAXWELL, HE WAS A

FRIEND OF MY BROTHER’S, AND MY BROTHER’S FRIENDS, AND DURING A

SUMMER THAT I WAS GOING TO DRIVER’S ED, I WAS AT A PARTY

WHERE WE ALL SAT AROUND AND WAS WATCHING BASKETBALL. THAT’S THE

FIRST TIME I’D EVER BEEN INTRODUCED TO HIM, AND I WAS 15

AT THAT TIME. FAST‐FORWARD FIVE YEARS, I RECONNECTED WITH JOSH

MAXWELL AFTER HE HAD BEEN RELEASED FROM PRISON. HE’S

LOOKING FOR MY BROTHER, MY STEPSISTER, AND PEOPLE THAT HE

HUNG OUT WITH. SOMEHOW, HE RAN ACROSS MY TELEPHONE NUMBER. I

WAS JUST LIKE, "OH, WOW, " YOU KNOW, BLAST‐FROM‐THE‐PAST TYPE

THING. I BELIEVE OUR ROMANCE WAS AN ABSOLUTE WHIRLWIND. HE

IMMEDIATELY MOVED IN, WHERE I WAS LIVING AT THE TIME. LIKE,

FROM ALMOST ‐‐ FROM PROBABLY TWO WEEKS IN, WE JUST HAD A

VERY STRONG CONNECTION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. IT HAPPENED SO

QUICKLY THAT I THINK THAT’S ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY I

NEVER SEEN RED FLAGS. I ORIGINALLY MET ROBBY BOTT IN

THE BAR THAT I WAS WORKING AT, AND HE HAD WORKED FOR FEDERAL

EXPRESS AND HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT OPENINGS IN HIS JOB, HOW

WELL THEY PAID OR WHATEVER, AND SO I HAD GOT A BUSINESS CARD

FROM HIM. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR JOSH. THEY

STARTED TO SET UP MEETINGS WHERE HE COULD MEET HIM IN

PERSON AND SHOW HIM AROUND. HE HAD CAME TO OUR HOUSE. I HAD

BEEN TO HIS HOUSE. I NEVER REALLY REALIZED THAT THERE WAS

MAYBE AN UNDERLINING TONE THERE, MAYBE THAT HE EXPECTED MORE OUT

OF ME AND JOSH. I WENT TO MY SISTER’S HOUSE TO SPEND THE

NIGHT WITH HER, HER CHILDREN, AND MY SON. WE WERE GONNA ALL

GET UP AND GO SOMEWHERE THE NEXT DAY, AND APPARENTLY, ROBBY

AND JOSH GOT INTO A PRETTY BAD ARGUMENT IN THE BASEMENT OF THE

HOUSE THAT WE WERE RENTING AT THE TIME. HE SHOT AND KILLED

HIM. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, JOSHUA PUT ROBBY’S BODY IN THE TRUNK

OF A CAR AND LIT THE CAR ON FIRE. I ABSOLUTELY WAS FORCED

INTO LEAVING INDIANA. I WOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT MY CHILD BEHIND,

PERIOD, CONSEQUENCES BE (BLEEP) I WOULD HAVE STAYED. JOSH WAS

NOT GOING TO ALLOW ME TO STAY BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE I KNEW TOO

MUCH AND THAT WHATEVER I SAID WOULD LEAD THE COPS DIRECTLY TO

WHERE HE WOULD GO. I WAS HANDCUFFED TO EVERY BED, EVERY

BEDPOST. HE TOOK THE HANDSET OFF OF EVERY TELEPHONE IN EVERY

HOTEL ROOM. I NEVER WENT ANYWHERE BY MYSELF. I WAS

ABSOLUTELY IN FEAR OF MY LIFE. ONE TIME I WAS ABLE TO WRITE A

NOTE TO THE HOTEL CLERK. I WOULD TRY TO SNEAK IT IN, IN

BETWEEN THE STACKS OF BILLS THAT I WAS PAYING WITH. AND I

DON’T KNOW IF THEY JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE OR THEY JUST

NEVER LOOKED INTO IT, BUT NOBODY EVER CONTACTED OR

REACHED OUT TO ANY NUMBER THAT I LEFT. WE ARRIVE AT SAN

ANTONIO, AND THE CAR THAT WE WERE DRIVING HAS GOT MECHANICAL

PROBLEMS. WE GO INTO A SHONEY’S RESTAURANT, AND NOT KNOWING AT

THIS TIME, I GUESS JOSH HAD ALSO CONTACTED RUDY LOPES. TO

MY KNOWLEDGE, A SEXUAL AD WAS PLACED WITH JOSH AND AN

EX‐BOYFRIEND OF HIS BY THE NAME OF TRINA, AND IT JUST HAPPENED

TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS A LONGSTANDING OR A LONG‐RUNNING

THING AND YOU HAVE TO CANCEL IT. I DON’T KNOW IF IT WAS A

NEWSPAPER THING. I DON’T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

APPARENTLY, RUDY HAD LEFT A MESSAGE IN HIS INBOX, AND HE

HAD GOTTEN AHOLD OF HIM. HE COMES INTO THE RESTAURANT AND

SITS DOWN AND TELLS JOSH THAT A COUSIN OF HIS DRIVES A TOW

TRUCK AND HE COULD GET OUR CAR TOWED TO A MECHANIC, AND HE

WOULD GIVE US A RIDE BACK TO THE HOTEL. AT THAT TIME, I

THOUGHT RUDY LOPES WAS AN ABSOLUTE STRANGER AND JUST

BEING NICE, HELPING US WITH THE CAR. LATER ON IS WHEN I FIND

OUT THAT THIS WAS ALL A SETUP. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT JOSH

HAD PLANNED. WHEN WE GO TO PICK UP THE CAR LATER ON THAT NIGHT,

THERE WAS A BUNCH OF TRASH IN THE BED OF HIS TRUCK, AND IT

WAS ROLLING AROUND, MAKING A LOT OF NOISE AND HE WAS

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>> MY NAME IS JIM KOPP. I WAS LEAD PROSECUTOR IN THE CAPITAL

MURDER PROSECUTIONS OF JOSHUA MAXWELL AND TESSIE MCFARLAND.

WHEN THIS CASE OCCURRED, I WAS CHIEF OF THE INTAKE DIVISION OF

THE BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. WE WERE

AWARE OF THE MURDER OF RUDY LOPES, BUT AT THAT POINT IN

TIME, WE DID NOT KNOW WHO HAD COMMITTED THE OFFENSE. THE

DISTRICT ATTORNEY GOT A CALL FROM SAN FRANCISCO SAYING THAT

THEY HAD APPREHENDED TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN IT. ON

OCTOBER 17TH, IN SAN FRANCISCO, JOSHUA MAXWELL AND TESSIE

MCFARLAND WERE IN RUDY LOPES’STOLEN PICKUP TRUCK. THEY

HAD RUN A RED LIGHT. SO A SAN FRANCISCO POLICE OFFICER PULLED

THEM OVER. WHEN HE APPROACHED, THEY TOOK OFF IN THE VEHICLE.

HE RAN BACK TO HIS CAR AND GAVE CHASE. THERE WAS A GUNFIGHT

THROUGH THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO ABOUT 5:00 IN THE

AFTERNOON. ULTIMATELY, THEY WERE ABLE TO STOP THEM BY A

POLICE OFFICER KNOWING THAT THEIR DIRECTION OF TRAVEL

PULLED CROSSWISE INTO TRAFFIC, SO NOBODY COULD GO FORWARD. SO

THEY WERE ABLE TO STOP THE TRUCK AND GET THEM OUT. DURING

THE PURSUIT AND GUNFIGHT IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE ONLY PERSON

INJURED WAS TESSIE MCFARLAND. SHE WAS HIT BY A BULLET. THE

SAN FRANCISCO POLICE OFFICERS HAD NO IDEA THE CAR WAS STOLEN.

THEY WERE SIMPLY PULLING IT OVER FOR A RED LIGHT. IT WAS

NOT KNOWN THAT JOSHUA MAXWELL AND TESSIE MCFARLAND WERE

INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT IN INDIANAPOLIS UNTIL AFTER THEY

WERE APPREHENDED IN SAN FRANCISCO.

>> JOSH, WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE WERE YOU IN?

>> UH, A GOLD CHEVY TRUCK. >> WHOSE TRUCK IS THAT, JOSH?

>> RUDY, RUDOLPH LOPES. >> JOSH, HOW IS IT THAT WE CAME

TO BE HERE TODAY? >> UH, THEY PULLED ME OVER.

>> THE COPS TRIED TO PULL YOU OVER?

>> YEAH. THAT’S WHEN I HIT THE GAS.

>> HOW COME? HOW COME YOU TOOK OFF?

>> UH, BECAUSE I’M WANTED BACK HOME.

>> FOR WHAT? >> UH, MURDER.

>> JOSH PRETTY MUCH WANTED TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR

THE CRIME, AND HE DID WHAT LITTLE HE COULD TO TRY TO

SHIELD TESSIE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT THEY’D

DONE. IN TERMS OF ROBBY BOTT, WE KNOW BOTH FROM THE

STATEMENTS JOSHUA MADE, AS WELL AS THE EVIDENCE RECOVERED IN

INDIANAPOLIS, THAT JOSHUA AND TESSIE WERE IN ROBBY BOTT’S

HOUSE. THEY WATCHED A MOVIE, WE BELIEVE. AT THAT POINT IN TIME,

WE BELIEVE THEY ABDUCTED ROBBY BOTT. WHAT THEY DID IS THEY

TOOK HIM TO THE BASEMENT OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY WERE FIXING UP

IN INDIANAPOLIS, PUT HIM IN A WARDROBE IN THE BASEMENT, AND

LOCKED IT. THEY WENT BACK TO HIS HOUSE, TOOK ALL KINDS OF

ITEMS ‐‐ VACUUM CLEANERS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THEN THEY WENT

BACK TO THE HOUSE. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEY LET HIM OUT

OF THE CLOSET, TOOK HIM UPSTAIRS, AND THEY HAD HIM TAKE

THEM SHOPPING. THEY WENT TO A STORE IN INDIANAPOLIS AND

CHARGED UP ABOUT $2,000 ON HIS CREDIT CARD. AND WE HAVE A

VIDEO OF THIS. THEN THEY TAKE HIM BACK TO THE HOUSE IN

INDIANAPOLIS, THEN LOCK HIM BACK UP IN THE WARDROBE. THEY

TAKE A PILLOW, SHOOT ROBBY BOTT SEVERAL TIMES, TAKE THE BODY,

PUT IT IN THE TRUNK OF HIS CAR, DRIVE IT TO A DESERTED AREA

OUTSIDE OF INDIANAPOLIS, AND SET THE CAR ON FIRE. WELL, BOTH

PEOPLE, ROBBY BOTT AND RUDY LOPES, MADE CONTACT WITH JOSHUA

AND TESSIE THROUGH SOME TYPE OF ADVERTISEMENT FOR SEXUAL

SERVICES. WE DON’T REALLY KNOW WHAT HOLD THEY HAD OVER HIM,

BUT I FIGURED THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME TYPE OF

BLACKMAIL. I DON’T RECALL HIM EVER GIVING A MOTIVE FOR THE

KILLING. THERE WAS OTHER VIDEOTAPES WHICH WE HAD

RECOVERED IN WHICH HE INDICATED A VERY STRONG DISLIKE FOR THE

POLICE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE DIDN’T REALLY HAVE ANY

PARTICULAR MOTIVE, OTHER THAN PROBABLY JUST PURE GREED. AFTER

HEARING THE INTERVIEW OF JOSHUA MAXWELL, THE DETECTIVES DID

WANT TO TALK TO TESSIE. TESSIE HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL

UNDERGOING MEDICAL TREATMENT. SHE NEVER INDICATED THAT SHE

WAS INVOLVED IN WHAT HAD OCCURRED DURING HER STATEMENTS

TO THE POLICE. >> I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO

UNDERSTAND THE ‐‐ THE SITUATION I’M IN. IF I DON’T DO

EVERYTHING HE SAYS ‐‐ >> WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> ONE PHONE CALL, AND MY FAMILY COULD BE DEAD. THAT IS

THE ONLY REASON I NEVER WENT TO THE POLICE BEFORE THIS. BECAUSE

I WAS SCARED. ALL THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THIS

CASE LED US TO BELIEVE THAT TESSIE WAS FULLY INVOLVED IN

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>> WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE SHOOT‐OUT IN SAN FRANCISCO WITH

JOSH MAXWELL AND TESSIE MCFARLAND AND THAT THEY HAD

BEEN THE ONES WHO WERE ACCUSED OF KILLING MY TÍO RUDY, I WAS

EXTREMELY THANKFUL WHENEVER THEY DID CATCH THEM.

>> WE HAD NUMEROUS ITEMS LINKING THEM BACK TO THE CRIME

HERE IN INDIANA. THERE WERE ALSO WITNESSES THAT WERE

PLACING THEM IN SAN ANTONIO. WE HAD VIDEO EVIDENCE. WE HAD

FINGERPRINTS. THE EVIDENCE WAS DEFINITELY OVERWHELMING AGAINST

BOTH. >> JOSHUA AND TESSIE WERE

INDICTED FOR CAPITAL MURDER, BUT WE COULDN’T TRY THEM

TOGETHER. JOSHUA HAD PRIOR CONVICTIONS OUT OF INDIANA, SO

BECAUSE OF THAT, WE COULD NOT TRY TESSIE WITH HIM.

>> JOSH STOOD TRIAL IN FEBRUARY OF 2002. WE ATTENDED THAT TRIAL

AND PRESENTED EVIDENCE FROM THE INDIANA CASE. JOSH HAD ALREADY

CONFESSED TO BEING THE TRIGGER MAN AND BEING THE MASTERMIND

BEHIND THIS ENTIRE CRIME SPREE. >> I FOLLOWED THAT TRIAL LIKE

NOBODY’S BUSINESS. I WISH I WAS A LITTLE BIT OLDER, SO I COULD

HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED, BUT I GUESS IT’S KIND

OF A GOOD THING. I’VE HEARD IT WAS PRETTY GRAPHIC WITH ALL THE

PICTURES IN THERE. >> WHEN JOSHUA AND TESSIE WERE

APPREHENDED IN SAN FRANCISCO, IN THE TRUCK WERE SOME

VIDEOTAPES AND A VIDEO CAMERA THAT THEY HAD USED TO FILM SOME

RECORDINGS. >> ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT

I PARTICIPATED IN IN TRIAL WAS INTRODUCING THESE TAPES TO SHOW

NOT ONLY JOSHUA MAXWELL’S PERSONALITY, BECAUSE IN THESE

TAPES, HE’S SMOKING DOPE, HE’S USING DRUGS, HE’S WALKING

AROUND WITH A GUN. HE’S PORTRAYING HIMSELF AS THAT

GANGSTER PERSONA. >> JOSHUA MAXWELL ‐‐ HE NEVER

TESTIFIED, BUT DURING HIS INCARCERATION IN TEXAS, HE HAD,

WITHOUT PROVOCATION OR ANY EXCUSE, ATTACKED A JAIL GUARD.

AND THAT WAS FURTHER EVIDENCE WE WERE ABLE TO OFFER AT THE

TRIAL TO SHOW THAT HE’D BE A FUTURE DANGER.

>> THE DEFENSE’S POSITION IN EVERY DEATH PENALTY CASE IS TO

MITIGATE THE ACTORS INVOLVEMENT. "SHOW ME SOMETHING

IN THIS MAN’S LIFE THAT HE DIDN’T HAVE A CHOICE. IT WAS A

BAD CHILDHOOD. HE WAS RAISED HORRIBLY. HE’S GOT MENTAL

DEFICIENCIES OR MENTAL ISSUES THAT HE CAN’T DEAL WITH."

>> DURING THE TRIAL, IT DID COME UP THAT JOSHUA, AT ABOUT

THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, FOUND OUT THAT HE HAD BEEN ADOPTED AND,

OF COURSE, DIDN’T TAKE VERY WELL TO THAT. AND THAT THAT WAS

PART OF THE REASON WHY HE FELL INTO THE VIOLENT CRIMES.

>> THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE.

>> TO ME, IT WASN’T VERY COMPELLING.

>> LOOK DOWN THE BARREL, MOTHER (BLEEP) MY (BLEEP) HA!

>> AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT TRIAL, JOSHUA MAXWELL WAS

SENTENCED TO DEATH. HE WAS INCARCERATED IN HUNTSVILLE AND

REMAINED THERE ON DEATH ROW. >> ABOUT A YEAR LATER, WE TRIED

TESSIE. WE HAD ALL INTENTIONS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE

DEATH PENALTY AGAINST HER. >> WE HAD A PRETTY STRONG CASE.

THERE WAS A SEX TAPE THAT TESSIE AND JOSHUA HAD FILMED,

ALONG WITH THE THIRD PERSON THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHO WE WAS,

JUST LAUGHING AND HAVING A GREAT TIME.

>> HER DEFENSE WAS, "I’M A VICTIM. JOSHUA FORCED ME.

JOSHUA KEPT ME. BUT THOSE TAPES PROVED THAT THAT WASN’T SO."

>> OKAY, NOW, GET UP. >> ALRIGHT.

>> THE TAPES, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER EVIDENCE, LED US TO

BELIEVE THAT TESSIE WAS FULLY COMPLICIT IN WHAT HAD OCCURRED,

THAT SHE WASN’T ACTING UNDER DURESS.

>> I CAN’T SAY THAT I’VE EVER BEEN IN THAT TYPE OF ABUSIVE

RELATIONSHIP, AND I’M NOT TRYING TO TALK DOWN ANYBODY

WHO’S LIKE THAT, BUT SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING. SHE CHOSE

NOT TO CALL THE POLICE. EVEN THOUGH SHE DIDN’T PULL THE

TRIGGER, SHE’S JUST AS GUILTY. >> ABOUT TWO WEEKS INTO JURY

SELECTION, TESSIE CAME TO US AND INDICATED THAT SHE WANTED

TO PLEAD GUILTY TO CAPITAL MURDER IF WE WOULD WAIVE THE

DEATH PENALTY. WE CONFERRED AND AGREED TO DO THAT. THE STATE

WAIVED THE DEATH PENALTY, SO SHE WAS ASSESSED A LIFE

SENTENCE. SHE’LL BE ELIGIBLE FOR PAROLE IN 40 CALENDAR YEARS

UNDER TEXAS LAW. I WAS SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME.

>> I DON’T THINK THAT JUSTICE WAS SERVED BECAUSE TESSIE

MCFARLAND DESERVES TO DIE. THE THINGS THAT SHE AND JOSHUA

MAXWELL DID TO ROBBY BOTT IN INDIANAPOLIS ARE JUST HORRIFIC.

>> THE OUTCOME, IT’S PROVIDED SOME CLOSURE WITH MY FAMILY,

BUT I DON’T THINK THERE’LL EVER BE ANY FULL CLOSURE BECAUSE OUR

QUESTION WOULD STILL BE "WHY? " WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT TO

ANYBODY? >> THEY WOULD DO THESE THINGS

TO TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, ESSENTIALLY TORTURE THEM BOTH

BY HOLDING THEM, SHOOTING THEM, EVERYTHING ELSE THEY HAD DONE

TO THEM. AND IT WAS PURE EVIL. >> LOOKING BACK ON THAT

SITUATION, I WOULD HAVE HANDLED THINGS IN A COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT MANNER. I’M ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD NOW. I’M A COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT PERSON. I ABSOLUTELY FEEL HORRIBLE FOR EVERYBODY

INVOLVED. IF I COULD TAKE EITHER ONE OF THEIR PLACES, I

WOULD. I ABSOLUTELY WOULD. >> NO ONE EVER EXPECTS IT TO

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