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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,249 --> 00:00:16,682 ASANTE: I would definitely characterize myself 2 00:00:16,784 --> 00:00:18,417 as a survivor. 3 00:00:18,452 --> 00:00:21,420 KANIKA: I do see myself as a victim of R. Kelly. 4 00:00:21,455 --> 00:00:22,921 LISA: I was a victim. 5 00:00:22,957 --> 00:00:24,990 JERHONDA: I don't consider myself a victim. 6 00:00:25,092 --> 00:00:26,258 LISA: I am a survivor. 7 00:00:26,293 --> 00:00:27,526 JERHONDA: I lived it 8 00:00:27,628 --> 00:00:29,595 and I survived it. 9 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:51,784 INTERVIEWER: Why do you want to tell your story now? 10 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:57,289 I felt like my silence allowed it to continue. 11 00:00:57,324 --> 00:01:00,125 I worked up the courage to come forward and tell my story. 12 00:01:00,161 --> 00:01:03,095 A part of me always felt like maybe I did something 13 00:01:03,130 --> 00:01:04,596 for him to treat me that way. 14 00:01:04,632 --> 00:01:06,265 I want my story to be heard 15 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,967 so people could take this situation seriously. 16 00:01:09,003 --> 00:01:11,236 But when I found out it wasn't just me... 17 00:01:11,338 --> 00:01:12,604 I just don't want it to get any worse. 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,972 KANIKA: And it was just... 19 00:01:14,008 --> 00:01:16,074 It just kept going and going and going. 20 00:01:16,177 --> 00:01:18,010 I just wanted to know that it's not... 21 00:01:18,045 --> 00:01:20,112 You know, you're not alone. 22 00:01:20,147 --> 00:01:21,980 They're not alone. 23 00:01:22,016 --> 00:01:23,682 KANIKA: It just made me... 24 00:01:23,717 --> 00:01:25,417 furious. 25 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:27,686 I decided that enough was enough. 26 00:01:27,721 --> 00:01:31,089 (sighs) 27 00:01:31,192 --> 00:01:34,092 INTERVIEWER: Can you describe 28 00:01:34,195 --> 00:01:36,161 the physical abuse? 29 00:01:40,367 --> 00:01:42,334 (mumbles) 30 00:01:45,339 --> 00:01:47,339 (crying) 31 00:01:53,180 --> 00:01:56,381 I think I can't really talk about being abused. 32 00:01:56,417 --> 00:01:58,417 It's-it's, like... it brings back memories, 33 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:03,055 and it's, it's very painful to have to talk about it again. 34 00:02:07,895 --> 00:02:10,796 -I'm sorry. -INTERVIEWER: It's okay. 35 00:02:10,898 --> 00:02:12,865 (crying continues) 36 00:02:17,238 --> 00:02:19,304 37 00:02:48,269 --> 00:02:50,569 WOMAN: I met R. Kelly when I was 14. 38 00:02:50,604 --> 00:02:52,271 WOMAN 2: When I met him, I was 17 years old. 39 00:02:52,306 --> 00:02:53,539 WOMAN 3: I wanted to be a singer. 40 00:02:53,574 --> 00:02:55,040 WOMAN 4: I wanted to be a dancer. 41 00:02:55,075 --> 00:02:57,409 WOMAN 5: We thought we were gonna be stars. 42 00:02:57,444 --> 00:02:59,745 MAN: I think my daughter's 43 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:01,213 going through prison right now. 44 00:03:01,248 --> 00:03:02,981 We got a tip that she's here. 45 00:03:03,083 --> 00:03:05,217 Oh, say 46 00:03:05,252 --> 00:03:08,253 Can you see... 47 00:03:09,456 --> 00:03:11,423 In the middle of all of these allegations, 48 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:13,759 R. Kelly's just dropping music. 49 00:03:13,794 --> 00:03:17,296 His songs were a huge part of the soundtrack of our lives. 50 00:03:17,331 --> 00:03:20,866 I believe I can fly. 51 00:03:20,968 --> 00:03:21,934 Songs like "Ignition." 52 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:25,237 It's the remix to "Ignition" 53 00:03:25,272 --> 00:03:27,406 Hot and fresh out the kitchen. 54 00:03:27,441 --> 00:03:29,241 "I Wish." 55 00:03:29,276 --> 00:03:32,210 I'll see you again some day 56 00:03:32,313 --> 00:03:36,114 I wish, I wish, I wish. 57 00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:37,449 He had a voice 58 00:03:37,484 --> 00:03:39,418 that was incredible. 59 00:03:39,453 --> 00:03:41,219 LESLIE SEGAR: Women loved the way he looked, 60 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:42,187 the way he sounded. 61 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:44,122 KANIKA: People looked at him 62 00:03:44,158 --> 00:03:45,190 as the king of RandB. 63 00:03:45,292 --> 00:03:46,959 He was the biggest artist 64 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:48,794 in the recording industry at that time 65 00:03:48,829 --> 00:03:50,629 in terms of actual record sales. 66 00:03:50,664 --> 00:03:52,898 GEM PRATTS: Robert was working with everyone. 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,633 Snoop, C line Dion, 68 00:03:54,668 --> 00:03:56,234 Michael Jordan, Janet Jackson. 69 00:03:56,337 --> 00:03:57,502 ANN POWERS: He worked with Michael Jackson. 70 00:03:57,538 --> 00:03:58,637 He worked with Jay-Z, 71 00:03:58,672 --> 00:04:01,139 Whitney Houston, Lady Gaga. 72 00:04:01,175 --> 00:04:03,809 R. Kelly was part of that superstar milieu. 73 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:07,613 WOMAN: He was a hero. 74 00:04:11,652 --> 00:04:14,052 -Robert, how do you feel? -Was it you on the tape? 75 00:04:14,154 --> 00:04:15,520 MIKE JERRICK: RandB superstar 76 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:17,623 R. Kelly on trial 77 00:04:17,658 --> 00:04:19,291 for allegedly videotaping himself 78 00:04:19,326 --> 00:04:21,593 having sex with an underage girl. 79 00:04:21,695 --> 00:04:25,631 NEWSWOMAN: Jurors found him not guilty on all charges. 80 00:04:27,001 --> 00:04:29,601 R. Kelly has a problem. 81 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:33,538 The accusations are now part of pop culture. 82 00:04:33,574 --> 00:04:35,674 TOURE: South Park touched on it. 83 00:04:35,709 --> 00:04:37,643 Chappelle's Show touched on it. 84 00:04:37,678 --> 00:04:40,679 After R. Kelly got off trial, 85 00:04:40,714 --> 00:04:42,614 I'd do the interview. 86 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:44,049 He was very nervous. 87 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:47,486 Do you like teenage girls? 88 00:04:47,521 --> 00:04:51,790 When you say "teenage," how old are we talking? 89 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:53,659 This is an industry 90 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:55,360 where anything goes. 91 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:56,461 NELSON GEORGE: He's a font of money. 92 00:04:56,563 --> 00:04:57,496 He was like a bad boy, 93 00:04:57,531 --> 00:04:58,864 like an antihero. 94 00:04:58,899 --> 00:05:00,365 MISS INFO: You know that he's dirty, 95 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:02,167 which is so delusional 96 00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:04,036 for us to kind of feel like, 97 00:05:04,071 --> 00:05:05,404 "Oh, it's all good now." 98 00:05:06,373 --> 00:05:07,939 MAN: R. Kelly has power 99 00:05:08,042 --> 00:05:10,375 over these young girls. 100 00:05:10,411 --> 00:05:11,843 WOMAN: I had to wait for permission 101 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,179 to be able to use the bathroom. 102 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:15,514 -It's okay. Okay. -(sobbing) 103 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:17,649 Your dad says he loves you so much. 104 00:05:17,751 --> 00:05:19,651 CRAIG WILLIAMS: What the heck is he doing 105 00:05:19,753 --> 00:05:21,653 hanging around the high school? 106 00:05:21,755 --> 00:05:24,022 R. Kelly believes he can fly 107 00:05:24,058 --> 00:05:25,657 and that he is untouchable. 108 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,592 -PROTESTER: Shame on you! -PROTESTERS: Shame on you! 109 00:05:27,628 --> 00:05:29,594 -Shame on you! -Shame on you! 110 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:33,665 -Mute R. Kelly! -Mute R. Kelly! 111 00:05:39,573 --> 00:05:43,375 POWERS: His performances were increasingly pornographic. 112 00:05:48,248 --> 00:05:50,248 (indistinct chatter) 113 00:05:50,284 --> 00:05:52,350 -You understand me? -Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 114 00:05:52,453 --> 00:05:55,220 Drop your (bleep), big dog. 115 00:05:55,255 --> 00:05:56,888 That's right. 116 00:05:56,924 --> 00:05:59,224 I am handcuffed, like a lot of you mother(bleep). 117 00:05:59,259 --> 00:06:02,227 I'm handcuffed by my destiny. It's too late. 118 00:06:02,262 --> 00:06:04,763 They should've did this (bleep) 30 years ago. 119 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:06,898 -It's too late. -Tell 'em, R. 120 00:06:11,438 --> 00:06:13,472 (children chattering) 121 00:06:21,949 --> 00:06:25,383 My family grew up in Altgeld Gardens housing projects. 122 00:06:25,486 --> 00:06:28,854 (children continue chattering) 123 00:06:28,956 --> 00:06:31,223 My name is Carey Kelly, 124 00:06:31,325 --> 00:06:34,226 and I'm R. Kelly's baby brother. 125 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:38,463 Theresa's the oldest. 126 00:06:38,499 --> 00:06:41,133 Bruce is the second oldest. 127 00:06:41,168 --> 00:06:45,937 Robert, and then myself. 128 00:06:45,973 --> 00:06:49,908 CAREY: Even though we grew up living in the projects, 129 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:54,479 Robert is not cut from a cloth of being street. 130 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:59,017 He was mild-mannered, afraid. 131 00:07:00,687 --> 00:07:03,088 He didn't come outside. He stayed 132 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:06,158 in the house and played with his keyboard. 133 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:12,831 My name's Bruce Kelly. 134 00:07:12,866 --> 00:07:16,168 In my earliest childhood memories, 135 00:07:16,203 --> 00:07:19,137 Robert was shy and very timid, you know. 136 00:07:19,173 --> 00:07:23,308 If you'd stare at him in his face, he'd start crying. 137 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:26,444 We would have to urge him on to sing 138 00:07:26,547 --> 00:07:28,079 'cause he was really shy, 139 00:07:28,182 --> 00:07:30,215 and he would sing with his back turned to people 140 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:31,750 so he wouldn't have to look them in the face. 141 00:07:31,785 --> 00:07:33,752 CHANEY: R. Kelly grew up 142 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,954 in the church. His mother sang in the church. 143 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:40,525 BRUCE: My mother was the lead singer of the choir. 144 00:07:40,561 --> 00:07:43,929 She would make people catch the spirits, as they call them. 145 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:47,065 She was a very big fan of Aretha Franklin, 146 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:50,001 Gladys Knight, Chaka Khan. 147 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:52,003 When she would do Gladys Knight, 148 00:07:52,139 --> 00:07:54,673 we would be her Pips. 149 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:56,541 So it just grew. We just, we loved music 150 00:07:56,577 --> 00:07:57,843 just as much as she did. 151 00:08:00,414 --> 00:08:03,014 Robert had problems reading and writing. 152 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:07,919 He did apply hisself. He-he took tutoring 153 00:08:07,955 --> 00:08:10,956 and-and things of that nature. 154 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:14,059 He just couldn't... he couldn't grasp a hold to it. 155 00:08:14,094 --> 00:08:16,094 One day I came home, 156 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:17,295 Robert was locked in the bathroom. 157 00:08:17,331 --> 00:08:20,232 He wing. 158 00:08:20,367 --> 00:08:22,467 I knock on the door. "Robert." 159 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:24,569 He tried to straight... "Yeah." 160 00:08:24,705 --> 00:08:27,005 I said, "What's wrong with you, man?" 161 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,575 Broke down, started crying again. 162 00:08:30,711 --> 00:08:33,578 "I'm just tired of these kids always teasing me 163 00:08:33,714 --> 00:08:35,814 'cause I can't read." 164 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:38,817 I'm like, "Man, look, let me tell you something. 165 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:43,421 "It gonna be the same kids that's gonna be crying 166 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:47,859 because you're famous." 167 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:49,761 He taught hisself to play by ear. 168 00:08:49,897 --> 00:08:53,164 What he hear... If he hear a beat in his head, 169 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,933 he'd pick it until he... 170 00:08:55,068 --> 00:08:57,102 until that beat come alive. 171 00:08:57,237 --> 00:08:58,436 He would hum it and sing it, 172 00:08:58,572 --> 00:09:00,672 versus having to write it musically 173 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:02,440 or, you know, write or read music. 174 00:09:02,576 --> 00:09:04,676 He actually gravitated to it like... 175 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:06,378 It's-it's like he knew 176 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:08,480 that-that was his purpose. 177 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:17,689 My name is Craig Williams. I've known Rob about... 178 00:09:17,724 --> 00:09:20,792 30 years, I guess. I met him back in the late '80s. 179 00:09:20,861 --> 00:09:25,063 I was at-at the recording studio Chicago Trax. 180 00:09:25,098 --> 00:09:27,699 Gavin Christopher was an artist in Chicago. 181 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,067 He came to the studio, 182 00:09:29,102 --> 00:09:32,637 and he brought this kid with him. 183 00:09:32,773 --> 00:09:35,807 And the kid was Rob. 184 00:09:35,943 --> 00:09:38,843 He had a little white Casio piano. 185 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:41,479 Gavin says, "You got to check this kid out. 186 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:42,681 He can really sing." 187 00:09:42,716 --> 00:09:44,082 He said, "Sing for him." 188 00:09:44,117 --> 00:09:46,418 Rob turned on his piano, 189 00:09:46,453 --> 00:09:49,187 and he started singing a song about roses 190 00:09:49,222 --> 00:09:51,990 or something like that. 191 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:55,527 He had a voice that was incredible. 192 00:10:04,738 --> 00:10:07,372 R. KELLY: Like anything else when you're a child, 193 00:10:07,407 --> 00:10:10,709 whatever you're taught, um... 194 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:12,978 it goes with you. 195 00:10:15,449 --> 00:10:19,584 CAREY: Once we moved out the projects... 196 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:23,054 a lot of things changed for the worse. 197 00:10:26,927 --> 00:10:29,494 I recently saw the interview, 198 00:10:29,596 --> 00:10:33,598 uh, that R. Kelly did with Tavis Smiley... 199 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:36,901 ...which was striking. 200 00:10:37,004 --> 00:10:38,937 SMILEY: At eight or nine years of age, you talk in the book 201 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:41,873 about how exposed you were to sex. 202 00:10:42,009 --> 00:10:44,743 You saw it. There were adults 203 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:46,878 who should not have been but were coming on to you 204 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:48,413 even when you were a child. 205 00:10:48,515 --> 00:10:50,882 What'd that do to you to be exposed to sex 206 00:10:51,018 --> 00:10:53,318 at that early age? 207 00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:56,054 (sighs) 208 00:10:56,189 --> 00:10:57,956 Well... 209 00:10:57,991 --> 00:11:01,393 um, I'm not gonna throw any of my people 210 00:11:01,528 --> 00:11:04,429 or... my family under a bus, 211 00:11:04,464 --> 00:11:08,299 but I feel I owe my fans, um... 212 00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:13,304 ...at least enough for them to have an understanding 213 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,006 as to what I went through. 214 00:11:15,042 --> 00:11:16,941 And, yes, 215 00:11:16,977 --> 00:11:19,911 I was molested when I was a... 216 00:11:20,047 --> 00:11:23,615 from seven on to maybe 13, 14, 217 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:27,552 something like that, uh, by people in my family. 218 00:11:37,264 --> 00:11:39,097 R. KELLY: I was molested when I was seven 219 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:42,700 on to maybe 13, 14, something like that, 220 00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:45,937 uh, by people in my family. 221 00:11:47,407 --> 00:11:51,342 Sexually, it woke up my hormones 222 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:53,378 a lot earlier than it... 223 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:55,447 they were supposed to be awakened. 224 00:11:59,953 --> 00:12:03,721 When you're a child, you don't really know. 225 00:12:03,757 --> 00:12:05,857 You only see, 226 00:12:05,959 --> 00:12:09,027 and you learn, and you try to figure it out. 227 00:12:09,129 --> 00:12:13,465 It enhances your curiosity before its time. 228 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,700 You're not supposed to be curious about sex, 229 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,403 because you're not supposed to see sex right now. 230 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:26,911 I believe that-that Robert... that it's possible. 231 00:12:26,947 --> 00:12:29,614 I don't think that he... If he's saying that, 232 00:12:29,649 --> 00:12:31,449 I don't think that he's lying. 233 00:12:31,485 --> 00:12:34,786 Because it happened to me. It happened to me. 234 00:12:34,821 --> 00:12:39,023 You know, I really don't talk to people about a lot of things 235 00:12:39,126 --> 00:12:41,326 that... that I have been going through. 236 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:43,962 I just... I just keep it and hold it. 237 00:12:45,465 --> 00:12:47,899 I was molested by a family member, 238 00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:50,401 and that... 239 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:53,738 shook my world, you know, 'cause I-I didn't understand it. 240 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,773 Um, I knew it wasn't right, 241 00:12:55,809 --> 00:12:58,843 even though I was six years old at that time. 242 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,413 I knew it wasn't right, but it was happening to me. 243 00:13:02,516 --> 00:13:06,384 I was afraid to tell my mom, um... 244 00:13:06,486 --> 00:13:09,687 um, because of the person, who they were. 245 00:13:09,723 --> 00:13:11,089 I-I didn't... 246 00:13:11,191 --> 00:13:13,925 I didn't know if she was gonna... 247 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,996 believe me, so I was afraid to tell her. 248 00:13:18,031 --> 00:13:20,031 Robert, him being my big brother, 249 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:21,633 I brought that to him 250 00:13:21,668 --> 00:13:24,302 and told-told him what happened to me. 251 00:13:24,337 --> 00:13:26,638 And when I told him what happened to me, 252 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:29,440 um... 253 00:13:29,543 --> 00:13:32,977 he didn't, he didn't really respond to it 254 00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:35,647 like I felt that he should. 255 00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:37,015 When-when I told him, he said, 256 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:38,283 "No, that didn't, that didn't happen, 257 00:13:38,385 --> 00:13:39,784 that didn't happen to you." 258 00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:41,519 And I said, "Yes, it did." 259 00:13:41,555 --> 00:13:43,354 You know, Robert said, "No, it didn't." 260 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:44,856 Then I left it alone. 261 00:13:44,891 --> 00:13:46,958 I really knew not to take it to my mom then. 262 00:13:46,993 --> 00:13:48,793 My brothers was the test. 263 00:13:48,895 --> 00:13:52,931 If they believed me, then maybe I could've took it to an adult. 264 00:13:55,068 --> 00:13:58,970 Child sexual abuse confuses power and control with sex. 265 00:13:59,072 --> 00:14:01,706 And so... 266 00:14:01,741 --> 00:14:04,475 children may want to say, like, 267 00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:08,079 "I want to be the one that's in that power position," right? 268 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:10,181 269 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:13,818 I met Robert at Kenwood High School. 270 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,687 We were in the choir together. 271 00:14:15,722 --> 00:14:17,455 Under Dr. Lena McLin. 272 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:20,625 JAMILAH LEMIEUX: One of the crown jewels 273 00:14:20,727 --> 00:14:23,695 in Kenwood Academy's, you know, reputation 274 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:27,198 is their concert choir under the direction of Dr. Lena McLin. 275 00:14:28,668 --> 00:14:31,569 GEM: She was truly like... 276 00:14:31,605 --> 00:14:34,272 Rob's surrogate mother. 277 00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:37,809 She loved that boy, took him under her wing, 278 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:40,011 and... 279 00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:41,879 really made him and honed him 280 00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:45,049 into being the singer that he is today. 281 00:14:45,085 --> 00:14:48,987 My grandma taught at Kenwood Academy as a music teacher. 282 00:14:49,022 --> 00:14:52,023 So don't nobody think I'm hard, 'cause I'm really very nice. 283 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:55,393 She was more than just a music teacher to a lot of people. 284 00:14:55,428 --> 00:14:58,963 She was a mother to a lot of people, and still is. 285 00:14:59,099 --> 00:15:01,232 My grandma's taught so many students, 286 00:15:01,268 --> 00:15:03,835 and... of the notable students, 287 00:15:03,937 --> 00:15:05,536 Mandy Patinkin, 288 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:06,838 Da Brat, 289 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:08,306 Jennifer Hudson, 290 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:09,707 Chaka Khan, 291 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:11,009 just to name a few. 292 00:15:12,245 --> 00:15:14,345 LENA: I was impressed, 293 00:15:14,447 --> 00:15:16,748 and I was amazed, 294 00:15:16,783 --> 00:15:19,584 because he was musically... 295 00:15:19,619 --> 00:15:22,353 uh, genius material. 296 00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:24,255 INTERVIEWER: Did he ever talk about his home life? 297 00:15:24,291 --> 00:15:27,158 No, he didn't talk about that, 298 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:31,396 but you knew about it, because it came out in the music... 299 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:34,365 in what-what they express, you know. 300 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:36,934 Children express what they fear, 301 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:40,471 they love, that's around them, you know. 302 00:15:42,642 --> 00:15:45,510 And he was very... 303 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:48,513 very aggressive. 304 00:15:48,615 --> 00:15:49,781 (laughs) 305 00:15:49,816 --> 00:15:51,883 What do you mean by aggressive? 306 00:15:51,918 --> 00:15:56,721 Well, yeah, aggressive in some of his sexual language, too. 307 00:15:56,756 --> 00:15:59,223 Which we had to discuss 308 00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:03,394 and say that it wouldn't be appropriate to school. 309 00:16:03,496 --> 00:16:07,699 It wouldn't really be... really be appropriate, period. 310 00:16:09,336 --> 00:16:11,402 GEM: He dropped out senior year. 311 00:16:11,504 --> 00:16:13,271 You saw his confidence... 312 00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:16,074 kind of swell 313 00:16:16,109 --> 00:16:18,409 once he realized he had a gift, 314 00:16:18,511 --> 00:16:19,844 you know, when it came to, uh, singing. 315 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,914 CAREY: He got noticed... 316 00:16:23,016 --> 00:16:27,952 basically, when he actually went to Natalie Cole's Big Break. 317 00:16:28,054 --> 00:16:29,520 Robert said, "I'm gonna win the show. 318 00:16:29,556 --> 00:16:31,122 I'm gonna win the show." 319 00:16:31,224 --> 00:16:34,459 You had the best talent, you know, in the, in the nation, 320 00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,961 and it whittled down to two groups. 321 00:16:37,063 --> 00:16:38,996 Okay, for R. Kelly and MGM, 322 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:41,532 -they received 280 points. -(cheering) 323 00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:44,669 R. Kelly and MGM is the champion! 324 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,338 A hundred thousand dollars! 325 00:16:47,374 --> 00:16:48,906 Hello! 326 00:16:48,942 --> 00:16:51,943 327 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:57,315 CAREY: That's when all the labels start calling, 328 00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:59,016 and that's when he took off. 329 00:16:59,052 --> 00:17:03,855 Once he signed to Jive Records, it was a wrap. 330 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:08,426 331 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:10,862 And I heard a lot about Rob going 332 00:17:10,964 --> 00:17:13,531 to Kenwood High School to, to hang out, 333 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:16,100 and I always wondered, what the heck is he doing 334 00:17:16,136 --> 00:17:18,002 hanging around the high school? 335 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:23,474 He's... left high school many years ago. 336 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:25,576 337 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:32,216 My name is Jovante Cunningham. 338 00:17:32,252 --> 00:17:35,253 I have known Robert Kelly since 1991. 339 00:17:35,288 --> 00:17:38,222 At that time, I was about 14. 340 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:40,358 I met him through a dear friend of mine, 341 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:41,526 Tiffany. 342 00:17:41,628 --> 00:17:44,529 She was also, uh, yeah, 14. 343 00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:46,497 He was an upcoming artist. 344 00:17:46,633 --> 00:17:49,767 She knew him prior to me meeting her. 345 00:17:49,803 --> 00:17:52,303 I believe they met at Kenwood High School, 346 00:17:52,338 --> 00:17:54,272 and she asked, 347 00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:56,374 "You want to go down and meet so and so?" 348 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:57,608 And I'm like, "Who is that?" 349 00:17:57,644 --> 00:17:59,043 And we went. 350 00:17:59,145 --> 00:18:01,312 And that's how it started. 351 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:05,450 Ooh. 352 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,952 Wasn't something that was talked about, you know. 353 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,387 I don't remember actually saying, 354 00:18:09,489 --> 00:18:11,389 "Hey, by the way, how old are you?" 355 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:15,126 We were doing the background vocals 356 00:18:15,161 --> 00:18:17,395 for the Born into the 90's album. 357 00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:20,731 He would just ask us to come into the studio, 358 00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:22,967 and, "You sing this, you sing this, 359 00:18:23,002 --> 00:18:25,236 you sing that, y'all sing it together." 360 00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:27,789 And that's how it would go. 361 00:18:27,824 --> 00:18:31,592 I wanted to be a professional singer. 362 00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:34,495 You're up close and personal with, um, someone 363 00:18:34,531 --> 00:18:36,831 who is potentially going to be... 364 00:18:36,866 --> 00:18:39,167 seen in the... in the world, 365 00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:42,303 and... you're young, you know? 366 00:18:42,405 --> 00:18:44,305 You're excited. You think, "Wow," you know? 367 00:18:44,407 --> 00:18:46,507 "Who's this person?" and "What do you got going on?" 368 00:18:46,543 --> 00:18:48,442 and "Can I hear your music?" 369 00:18:48,545 --> 00:18:50,011 And that was the first time I heard "Honey Love," 370 00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:51,946 and I was like, "Wow!" 371 00:18:52,048 --> 00:18:55,249 'Cause there is something' that 372 00:18:55,285 --> 00:18:57,185 I want from you... 373 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:59,420 A very talented young man, and... 374 00:18:59,455 --> 00:19:02,657 his ability to create music is ingenious. 375 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,126 It really is. He's truly a talent. 376 00:19:05,228 --> 00:19:07,628 377 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:09,030 JACQUES CONWAY: Right across the street 378 00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:10,865 from Kenwood High School, 379 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,035 I would see R. Kelly there 380 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:16,971 on a regular basis, and these were high school girls, 381 00:19:17,106 --> 00:19:19,140 freshmen, sophomores, I couldn't tell exactly. 382 00:19:19,275 --> 00:19:21,809 But I know they were students at the, at the high school. 383 00:19:21,911 --> 00:19:24,178 His nickname is not Pied Piper for nothing. 384 00:19:24,214 --> 00:19:28,015 Pied Piper's whole purpose is to bring the young people to him, 385 00:19:28,117 --> 00:19:31,219 to follow him, to admire him, to listen to him. 386 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:33,421 And so, he's good at it. 387 00:19:34,791 --> 00:19:36,691 MIKKI KENDALL: The first time I saw R. Kelly, 388 00:19:36,793 --> 00:19:40,695 I was probably around 12, maybe 13. 389 00:19:40,797 --> 00:19:43,097 We would hang out 390 00:19:43,132 --> 00:19:45,700 at the McDonald's in Hyde Park. 391 00:19:45,802 --> 00:19:47,902 I was 14 years old. 392 00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:50,538 And we'd always see him come in by himself 393 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,340 but leave with, with some student. 394 00:19:52,442 --> 00:19:55,843 KENDALL: You would see the Ford Explorer pull up. 395 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,614 There were a bunch of girls in Kenwood jackets, 396 00:19:59,649 --> 00:20:01,282 in high school clothes. 397 00:20:02,785 --> 00:20:05,253 You would see him and his group of guys 398 00:20:05,288 --> 00:20:06,787 come in and kind of hang out. 399 00:20:06,823 --> 00:20:08,356 "Mr. Kelly wants to meet you." 400 00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:10,258 401 00:20:10,293 --> 00:20:12,693 And you'd look over, and there was like a little nod. 402 00:20:12,795 --> 00:20:14,795 If you're the girl that smiles back, 403 00:20:14,831 --> 00:20:17,231 that's when he starts talking to you. 404 00:20:17,267 --> 00:20:18,799 CHANEY: Public Announcement, 405 00:20:18,835 --> 00:20:22,069 R. Kelly, Born into the 90's. 406 00:20:22,171 --> 00:20:24,205 He was on the rise. He knew that 407 00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:26,774 he had the singing career, and he was blowing up, 408 00:20:26,809 --> 00:20:29,644 and who wouldn't want to be with a superstar? 409 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:31,946 He liked high school girls. 410 00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:34,649 He could influence them more. 411 00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:37,451 They were more impressionable. 412 00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:39,420 He tries to slide in in that space 413 00:20:39,522 --> 00:20:41,255 where girls don't know better yet, 414 00:20:41,357 --> 00:20:45,693 where they can't necessarily spot a predator. 415 00:20:45,728 --> 00:20:49,330 People will say, "Well, why didn't anyone notice?" 416 00:20:50,867 --> 00:20:52,400 The answer is that we all noticed; 417 00:20:52,502 --> 00:20:54,902 no one cared because we were black girls. 418 00:20:59,175 --> 00:21:01,442 JOVANTE: I would hear different things, but I didn't realize 419 00:21:01,544 --> 00:21:03,511 what was going on at the time. 420 00:21:03,546 --> 00:21:07,548 I know when we were around, as children ourselves, 421 00:21:07,583 --> 00:21:09,350 as teenagers, 422 00:21:09,385 --> 00:21:11,786 (laughs): it was, "Go out, find me some girls," 423 00:21:11,821 --> 00:21:13,854 to recruit, in a sense. 424 00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:16,624 I mean, and at that time you didn't think of it as that. 425 00:21:16,726 --> 00:21:18,726 At that time you're thinking, "Go get me some girls"? 426 00:21:18,761 --> 00:21:21,796 I mean, we weren't looking for underage women. 427 00:21:21,898 --> 00:21:24,532 In our minds we were just looking for girls. 428 00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:27,168 We were so stupid. 429 00:21:27,203 --> 00:21:29,170 Just so... 430 00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:30,938 naive. 431 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,342 432 00:21:34,377 --> 00:21:37,078 The first time I witnessed a sexual act in the studio 433 00:21:37,113 --> 00:21:38,879 was during the recording 434 00:21:38,915 --> 00:21:40,915 of "Slow Dance," the remix. 435 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:44,752 He had one of my teenage friends in the booth with him bent over. 436 00:21:49,425 --> 00:21:51,492 And we were all right there. 437 00:21:51,594 --> 00:21:53,828 438 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:56,564 I will not say with whom, 439 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:58,599 but none of us were of age. 440 00:21:58,634 --> 00:22:00,701 None of us. 441 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:12,646 Um... 442 00:22:14,117 --> 00:22:16,550 We went through a lot. 443 00:22:16,586 --> 00:22:18,652 We experienced a lot. 444 00:22:18,788 --> 00:22:20,788 We saw a lot. Um... 445 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:27,395 It was a period of time when... 446 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:30,498 um... 447 00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,900 we were just trying to make it. 448 00:22:32,935 --> 00:22:35,002 We had... we had big dreams, 449 00:22:35,071 --> 00:22:39,640 and we thought we were gonna be somebody. 450 00:22:46,983 --> 00:22:48,682 "And don't give me that bull(bleep) about it. 451 00:22:48,751 --> 00:22:50,918 You should not meet 'em." 452 00:22:50,953 --> 00:22:54,355 And that was my language to him consistently. 453 00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:56,891 He has no business around them. 454 00:22:56,926 --> 00:22:59,760 They were too young for him. 455 00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:02,763 I told him, "Go on, live your life the way you want to live, 456 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,099 but don't bring down somebody else's life." 457 00:23:10,173 --> 00:23:12,440 LEMIEUX: So, 1993, 458 00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:15,810 we get 12 Play, which is, 459 00:23:15,845 --> 00:23:20,047 in my opinion, what really establishes R. Kelly as 460 00:23:20,183 --> 00:23:22,049 one of the most influential, 461 00:23:22,118 --> 00:23:26,053 if not the most influential RandB artist of his generation. 462 00:23:26,189 --> 00:23:29,190 "Bump n' Grind" is his first big song. 463 00:23:29,292 --> 00:23:30,958 With a little bump and grind 464 00:23:30,993 --> 00:23:33,027 With a little bump and grind... 465 00:23:33,129 --> 00:23:35,262 It's kind of slow, like a ballad, 466 00:23:35,298 --> 00:23:37,465 but then it's like, 467 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:41,235 there's nothing wrong with being physical and sexual. 468 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:44,972 And so, it's sort of that classic RandB message of, like, 469 00:23:45,007 --> 00:23:47,341 sexuality's okay, like, it's okay to be physical. 470 00:23:47,376 --> 00:23:50,277 LEMIEUX: In the beginning, with 12 Play, we get to this point 471 00:23:50,313 --> 00:23:52,413 where it's less about having 472 00:23:52,548 --> 00:23:55,683 beautiful lyrics, or a beautiful melody and a great voice, 473 00:23:55,718 --> 00:23:57,852 and almost about this kind of shock and awe, 474 00:23:57,887 --> 00:23:59,954 and this raunch and this raw sexuality. 475 00:23:59,989 --> 00:24:01,956 You know, "Sex Me." 476 00:24:01,991 --> 00:24:04,792 TOURE: I mean, a lot of these songs are great, you know. 477 00:24:04,827 --> 00:24:07,294 It's just that, when you start to think about the sort of 478 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:09,296 person behind them, you start to go, like... 479 00:24:09,332 --> 00:24:10,798 (Tour sucks in through teeth) 480 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:11,932 (grunts) 481 00:24:12,001 --> 00:24:14,802 And then Rob met Aaliyah 482 00:24:14,837 --> 00:24:18,439 through his manager, which... 483 00:24:18,574 --> 00:24:21,175 Aaliyah was Barry Hankerson's niece. 484 00:24:29,252 --> 00:24:30,818 R. KELLY: Right now I'm producing 485 00:24:30,853 --> 00:24:33,454 a very talented young lady, Aaliyah. 486 00:24:33,589 --> 00:24:37,458 Uh, she's real sweet. She just be chillin'. 487 00:24:37,593 --> 00:24:39,360 -Hey, Aaliyah? -AALIYAH: Yo. 488 00:24:39,395 --> 00:24:41,162 -That first verse is funky, right? -Mm-hmm. 489 00:24:41,197 --> 00:24:44,131 What I want you to do is... I want you to try to get into it 490 00:24:44,267 --> 00:24:45,933 -just a little bit more for me. -Okay. 491 00:24:46,035 --> 00:24:48,302 Just get into it a little more, make it a little more street. 492 00:24:48,437 --> 00:24:49,770 -All right? -All right. 493 00:24:49,872 --> 00:24:51,472 -You sound good, though, baby. -All right. 494 00:24:53,543 --> 00:24:56,644 Uh... very shy kid, very tomboyish. 495 00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:58,746 Glasses, braces. 496 00:24:58,781 --> 00:25:01,882 No-no swag. 497 00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:04,218 She's truly an angelic individual. 498 00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:07,321 She was truly a beautiful young lady. 499 00:25:07,456 --> 00:25:09,390 Aaliyah just needed a look. 500 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:11,592 That's all. She just needed a little... 501 00:25:11,627 --> 00:25:13,360 a little something to spice it up. 502 00:25:13,462 --> 00:25:15,529 She was still very young. She was 12 years old. 503 00:25:15,565 --> 00:25:19,733 We taught her her street thing, we gave her her vibe. 504 00:25:19,769 --> 00:25:21,368 She went from wearing 505 00:25:21,404 --> 00:25:23,571 fitted clothes to the baggy jeans 506 00:25:23,606 --> 00:25:28,242 with the half shirts, with the baseball caps. 507 00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:31,512 We taught her how to be an artist in the sense 508 00:25:31,647 --> 00:25:33,681 of having a stage presence. 509 00:25:33,816 --> 00:25:36,050 We would sneak Aaliyah out of the hotel... (laughs) 510 00:25:36,085 --> 00:25:39,086 ...and take her all over the place. 511 00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:40,921 It was fun. 512 00:25:42,325 --> 00:25:44,858 We used to take her to my dad's house, and... 513 00:25:44,927 --> 00:25:47,261 we'd dance and sing in the living room. 514 00:25:49,632 --> 00:25:52,933 Aaliyah became very close with Tia and myself. 515 00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:54,935 We were all very close. 516 00:25:54,971 --> 00:25:56,904 She and myself had a very close-knit relationship 517 00:25:57,006 --> 00:25:58,372 and friendship. 518 00:25:58,507 --> 00:26:00,274 Those were the good old days. 519 00:26:00,309 --> 00:26:03,611 But those are the things that also... make you cry. 520 00:26:07,617 --> 00:26:09,750 TOURE: Aaliyah's first album 521 00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:11,385 is made by R. Kelly, 522 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,420 and it's called Age Ain't Nothing but a Number. 523 00:26:13,456 --> 00:26:17,258 And that main... the title song, is about 524 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,628 a young girl who's trying to get an older guy 525 00:26:20,663 --> 00:26:23,464 to go all the way with her. 526 00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:25,566 I mean... 527 00:26:25,701 --> 00:26:29,069 it's, it's-it's frightening and it's disgusting. 528 00:26:29,205 --> 00:26:31,972 Boy, be brave 529 00:26:32,008 --> 00:26:34,842 Don't be afraid 530 00:26:34,877 --> 00:26:40,281 'Cause tonight we're gonna go all the way 531 00:26:40,316 --> 00:26:42,449 Age ain't nothin' but a number 532 00:26:42,485 --> 00:26:46,587 Throwin' down ain't nothin' but a thing. 533 00:26:46,622 --> 00:26:48,455 "Age ain't nothing but a number" is a thing 534 00:26:48,491 --> 00:26:50,924 in the black community I've heard since I was a little boy, 535 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,093 when a, when a hot young girl walks by, 536 00:26:53,129 --> 00:26:54,728 and a guy in a barbershop says that. 537 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:58,365 "Age Ain't Nothing but a Number" is definitely 538 00:26:58,467 --> 00:27:00,868 a perfect song 539 00:27:00,970 --> 00:27:04,705 for hiding in plain sight. 540 00:27:04,807 --> 00:27:08,275 DEMETRIUS: Robert brought a beauty out of her voice 541 00:27:08,311 --> 00:27:13,080 to where she became the star that she was. 542 00:27:13,182 --> 00:27:15,349 He said he wanted her to have the best of everything. 543 00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:17,217 He said, "Man, I want to make her the biggest star 544 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,086 in the world, man. Look at her. She's so..." 545 00:27:19,188 --> 00:27:20,754 She was so beautiful to him. 546 00:27:20,856 --> 00:27:22,756 And she always had him laughing. They would... 547 00:27:22,858 --> 00:27:24,658 I'm gonna just tell you. We'd go get ice cream, 548 00:27:24,694 --> 00:27:26,827 and I'm in the back, and I'm walking behind 'em all the time. 549 00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:29,330 And they... They're just so silly, man. 550 00:27:29,365 --> 00:27:31,999 (laughs) You know, they were silly. 551 00:27:32,034 --> 00:27:36,437 LEMIEUX: It wasn't until I was maybe a teenager myself 552 00:27:36,539 --> 00:27:38,939 that it really bothered me 553 00:27:39,041 --> 00:27:41,842 just how much older he was than her. 554 00:27:41,877 --> 00:27:44,611 At the time I remember thinking, "That's not right. 555 00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:47,448 I don't have no grown man friends." Right? 556 00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,150 Like, I just can't wrap my brain around, like, 557 00:27:50,186 --> 00:27:53,454 having a grown-up, period, as a friend. 558 00:27:53,556 --> 00:27:55,689 You know, a babysitter or a friend of the family, 559 00:27:55,725 --> 00:27:58,525 but never being left alone in the care of a male, 560 00:27:58,561 --> 00:28:00,561 aside from my father. 561 00:28:03,199 --> 00:28:05,199 Her parents trusted. 562 00:28:05,234 --> 00:28:08,402 They trusted me. They trusted us. 563 00:28:12,041 --> 00:28:15,242 I thought they were getting closer. 564 00:28:15,277 --> 00:28:17,277 I was beginning to suspect things but didn't want to. 565 00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:18,812 So I asked Robert. I said, "Robert, man, 566 00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,314 what's going on, man? You ain't messing..." 567 00:28:20,416 --> 00:28:22,750 "Hell no, man. I'm not messing with Aaliyah." 568 00:28:29,392 --> 00:28:31,492 It was under talks for a long time 569 00:28:31,594 --> 00:28:33,827 about having them come up to the show. 570 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:37,164 It was kind of like, they don't want you to talk about the age. 571 00:28:37,266 --> 00:28:39,566 They don't want you to talk about any of this stuff. 572 00:28:39,602 --> 00:28:41,368 But as a journalist, 573 00:28:41,404 --> 00:28:44,538 you kind of have to decide, are you gonna take this risk 574 00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:46,840 while this platform is in front of you 575 00:28:46,942 --> 00:28:49,042 and ask the questions that the people want to know? 576 00:28:49,078 --> 00:28:50,544 Okay, let's clear something up, 'cause, you know, 577 00:28:50,579 --> 00:28:51,845 I have been getting the rundown on the street. 578 00:28:51,947 --> 00:28:53,380 Everybody seems to think 579 00:28:53,416 --> 00:28:55,249 that y'all are either girlfriend and boyfriend, 580 00:28:55,284 --> 00:28:57,384 -or cousins, or friends. -KELLY (laughs): Look at my man. 581 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:00,020 Just let's... let's just get the record straight. 582 00:29:00,122 --> 00:29:01,455 We're just very close. He's my best friend. 583 00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:03,257 R. KELLY: Yeah, cool. In the whole wide world. 584 00:29:03,292 --> 00:29:05,826 -SEGAR: Now who found who? -In the whole wide world. 585 00:29:05,928 --> 00:29:08,862 TOURE: They are asked direct questions. 586 00:29:08,964 --> 00:29:12,433 "Are you guys dating?" And they would not give direct answers. 587 00:29:12,468 --> 00:29:14,768 They would both give these vague answers 588 00:29:14,804 --> 00:29:16,537 that left it all up in the air. 589 00:29:16,639 --> 00:29:18,472 So they knew this wasn't right. 590 00:29:18,507 --> 00:29:21,074 SEGAR: And for the record, you are how old? 591 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:22,576 -That's a secret. Shh. -Uh-oh. 592 00:29:22,611 --> 00:29:24,945 A woman doesn't disclose her age, y'all. 593 00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:26,747 (laughter) 594 00:29:26,782 --> 00:29:29,383 -Keeping it under wraps. -AALIYAH: That's right. 595 00:29:29,485 --> 00:29:31,819 SEGAR: Seeing them dressed alike 596 00:29:31,854 --> 00:29:36,089 was really kind of like dangling candy in front of a baby. 597 00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:39,259 Like, this is promotion, this is a media machine. 598 00:29:39,295 --> 00:29:40,961 We're gonna work this to our benefit, 599 00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:42,963 and we're gonna toy with you, we're gonna play with you, 600 00:29:42,998 --> 00:29:45,098 and we're not gonna give you any direct answers, 601 00:29:45,134 --> 00:29:47,167 and we're gonna kind of leave you wondering, 602 00:29:47,203 --> 00:29:48,769 "Well, are they a couple?" 603 00:29:51,173 --> 00:29:53,841 We were out on the road 604 00:29:53,876 --> 00:29:56,310 with Aaliyah. 605 00:29:56,345 --> 00:30:00,280 On a tour bus, there really aren't any confined spaces. 606 00:30:00,316 --> 00:30:02,616 When you get on the bus, there are bunks. 607 00:30:02,651 --> 00:30:05,452 And so, these bunks have little curtains you can pull at night 608 00:30:05,488 --> 00:30:07,454 if you don't want anybody to see you sleeping. 609 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:08,956 So it just so happened 610 00:30:08,991 --> 00:30:11,992 we were all laying in our bunks. 611 00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:14,528 It was... And curtains are open. 612 00:30:14,563 --> 00:30:16,196 Everybody's communicating, laughing. 613 00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:17,931 We used to play different pranks on each other. 614 00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:19,900 And, uh... 615 00:30:20,002 --> 00:30:22,836 I think it was intended to... prank time, 616 00:30:22,872 --> 00:30:27,040 when the door flew open on the bus. 617 00:30:29,345 --> 00:30:31,311 Robert was having sex with Aaliyah. 618 00:30:43,025 --> 00:30:45,325 When the door flew open on the bus. 619 00:30:47,863 --> 00:30:49,997 JOVANTE: Uh, things that an adult should not be doing 620 00:30:50,032 --> 00:30:51,865 with a child. 621 00:30:51,901 --> 00:30:53,734 Robert was having sex with Aaliyah. 622 00:31:00,042 --> 00:31:01,975 I feel protective of Aaliyah right now, 623 00:31:02,011 --> 00:31:06,680 which is why I can't get my mouth to say... 624 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,886 He destroyed a lot of people. 625 00:31:14,857 --> 00:31:17,190 Destroyed a lot of people. 626 00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:21,094 A lot of people who loved and adored him, and... 627 00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:28,001 I can't stress to you enough how... 628 00:31:28,037 --> 00:31:29,970 people are still suffering 629 00:31:30,005 --> 00:31:34,875 behind things that went on 20 years ago. 630 00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,450 After that, it kind of started the breakup 631 00:31:43,586 --> 00:31:45,852 of everything and everybody. 632 00:31:45,888 --> 00:31:47,354 A lot of people... 633 00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:50,991 People's emotions were challenged. 634 00:31:51,026 --> 00:31:55,295 Our whole family just kind of ripped up. 635 00:31:59,568 --> 00:32:01,935 DEMETRIUS: Robert came to me. We were in Miami. 636 00:32:03,939 --> 00:32:08,408 Robert said, "Man, we got Aaliyah in trouble." 637 00:32:09,945 --> 00:32:12,746 And, um, "Aaliyah in trouble? What do you mean?" 638 00:32:12,781 --> 00:32:14,481 "Man, we got to get to Chicago." 639 00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:19,086 Robert mentioned to me that, um, "I think she's pregnant." 640 00:32:19,188 --> 00:32:22,255 And... that broke my heart right there. 641 00:32:22,358 --> 00:32:25,092 I was so disappointed in him, 'cause I really believed him 642 00:32:25,194 --> 00:32:26,893 when he said that, you know, 643 00:32:26,996 --> 00:32:28,562 he wasn't doing and messing with Aaliyah. 644 00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:32,633 'Cause I questioned him, and, um... 645 00:32:32,668 --> 00:32:35,569 once he told me that, I was, like... 646 00:32:35,671 --> 00:32:38,772 I just... I was... I was lost for words, man. Um... 647 00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:42,809 He married Aaliyah. 648 00:32:45,914 --> 00:32:48,882 I was in the room when they got married. 649 00:32:51,587 --> 00:32:53,954 TOURE: In 1994, I was working at MTV News 650 00:32:54,056 --> 00:32:56,390 as a writer, not on air, 651 00:32:56,425 --> 00:33:00,894 and the issue of, "Is he married to Aaliyah?" 652 00:33:00,929 --> 00:33:04,531 was-was wild and being talked about widely. 653 00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:09,403 Finally, my boss told me, "Call the Cook County Clerk's Office 654 00:33:09,438 --> 00:33:12,305 and tell them to send you the marriage certificate." 655 00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,509 Hip-hop star R. Kelly did indeed marry his prot g e, 656 00:33:15,544 --> 00:33:17,444 the 15-year-old singer Aaliyah Haughton. 657 00:33:17,546 --> 00:33:18,945 TOURE: MTV News was the first 658 00:33:19,048 --> 00:33:20,580 to put out this marriage certificate 659 00:33:20,616 --> 00:33:22,816 on which Aaliyah had said that she was 18, 660 00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,585 when she's actually 15, and R. Kelly was 27, 661 00:33:25,621 --> 00:33:27,754 and they were married. 662 00:33:29,425 --> 00:33:32,659 I, uh, went, and I, um... I, um... 663 00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:34,394 I'm not proud of that. 664 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:37,197 I forged, I had papers forged for them. 665 00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:42,135 But Aaliyah was underage. 666 00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:44,871 Got the marriage license, and we were in a hotel 667 00:33:44,907 --> 00:33:47,674 in, uh, Maywood, Illinois. 668 00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:50,577 It was just a quick little ceremony. 669 00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:53,113 Nothing elaborate; she didn't have on a white dress. 670 00:33:53,148 --> 00:33:54,881 Robert didn't have on a tux. 671 00:33:54,917 --> 00:33:56,883 Just everyday wear. 672 00:33:56,919 --> 00:34:00,420 Robert said, "I do." (laughs) 673 00:34:00,456 --> 00:34:02,756 He said, "I do." Him and Aaliyah. 674 00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:09,696 Aaliyah looked worried. 675 00:34:09,798 --> 00:34:12,632 Scared. 676 00:34:12,668 --> 00:34:15,068 (sighs) 677 00:34:15,104 --> 00:34:17,204 Worried and scared. 678 00:34:19,108 --> 00:34:22,142 I wanted so much to grab Aaliyah and talk to her. 679 00:34:22,177 --> 00:34:25,479 I wanted so much to talk to her. 680 00:34:25,514 --> 00:34:27,147 'Cause she looked at me, she gave me a look 681 00:34:27,182 --> 00:34:29,549 like she wanted me to talk to her. 682 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:32,152 That's why I feel like I left her-- I-I failed them. 683 00:34:32,187 --> 00:34:34,087 Both of them. 684 00:34:34,123 --> 00:34:37,791 I knew that it had changed the course of everything. 685 00:34:42,598 --> 00:34:45,398 lment happened with Aaliyah. 686 00:34:45,434 --> 00:34:48,435 I just know that it did. 687 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:50,604 Her parents had the last say-so. 688 00:35:00,682 --> 00:35:02,549 TOURE: The Aaliyah situation, 689 00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:06,753 a lot of us kind of forgave but were kind of like, 690 00:35:06,789 --> 00:35:10,257 "That was weird, but okay. What else you got?" 691 00:35:10,292 --> 00:35:12,292 Well, they're both performers, 692 00:35:12,327 --> 00:35:15,162 and she's old beyond her years. 693 00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:17,764 And they just have that special connection. 694 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,766 It didn't yet appear like 695 00:35:19,802 --> 00:35:23,370 here's a person who is a predator. 696 00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:27,440 Where was the outrage? 697 00:35:27,476 --> 00:35:29,109 Where was Essence? Where was Ebony? 698 00:35:29,144 --> 00:35:30,911 Where was the local news? Where was anyone? 699 00:35:30,979 --> 00:35:35,348 Like, why was this not, in that moment, full stop? 700 00:35:35,384 --> 00:35:41,154 Why didn't the culture say something is wrong? 701 00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:46,560 POWERS: You had this whole history 702 00:35:46,662 --> 00:35:49,863 of adult male musicians who hung out with young girls. 703 00:35:49,898 --> 00:35:52,332 Musicians who "mentor" young girls. 704 00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,035 You had the history of musicians who married young girl fans. 705 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:59,022 And I think while it was disturbing to people, 706 00:35:59,091 --> 00:36:01,391 it's very easy to rationalize thi 707 00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:03,860 when you're in the industry 708 00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:05,562 and you see this flourishing career, 709 00:36:05,597 --> 00:36:08,732 not only of Kelly, but of Aaliyah. 710 00:36:10,102 --> 00:36:11,535 GEORGE: If you listen to the history 711 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:12,969 of American popular music, 712 00:36:13,005 --> 00:36:14,571 particularly rock and roll, 713 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,374 there's a whole thing about underage girls 714 00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:20,777 that's a big running theme in-in so much of the songs. 715 00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,547 "Sweet Little Sixteen." 716 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:27,450 There's a body of work of underage girls 717 00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:28,985 being sexual targets, 718 00:36:29,021 --> 00:36:31,087 being sexually promiscuous, being celebrated. 719 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:35,559 POWERS: It's hard to think of a group or an artist 720 00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:37,727 who didn't pay tribute to teenage girls 721 00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:40,297 in a way that we might question today. 722 00:36:40,332 --> 00:36:42,065 Even the Beatles, you know. 723 00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:43,900 "When I Saw Her Standing There." 724 00:36:43,936 --> 00:36:46,403 "She was just 17, if you know what I mean." 725 00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:51,207 Jerry Lee Lewis famously married 726 00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:55,211 his 13-year-old cousin Myra, um, 727 00:36:55,347 --> 00:36:56,446 and they flaunted their relationship. 728 00:36:56,481 --> 00:36:57,447 That actually brought down 729 00:36:57,482 --> 00:36:59,082 his career. 730 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:02,819 Elvis Presley was more subtle and careful 731 00:37:02,854 --> 00:37:05,322 with his teenage girlfriend Priscilla, 732 00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:09,125 who he met when he was a soldier abroad in Germany 733 00:37:09,161 --> 00:37:13,763 and whom he brought to live with him as a young teenager. 734 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:17,667 So when you think of girls who are going to shows, 735 00:37:17,703 --> 00:37:21,738 attending concerts, becoming completely hysterical, um, 736 00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:23,940 and then meeting their heroes, 737 00:37:23,976 --> 00:37:26,443 these-- this is a situation ripe 738 00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:30,246 for, uh, men taking advantage of young girls. 739 00:37:33,151 --> 00:37:35,852 JOVANTE: Robert feels as if he's invincible. 740 00:37:35,887 --> 00:37:38,254 "I can't be touched." 741 00:37:39,992 --> 00:37:41,825 And in hindsight, in society, 742 00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:43,493 we kind of made him feel that way. 743 00:37:43,528 --> 00:37:45,762 Because he's progressively done this 744 00:37:45,897 --> 00:37:48,632 for as far back as I can remember, 745 00:37:48,667 --> 00:37:50,667 and nothing has been done about it. 746 00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:56,272 POWERS: R. Kelly created and occupied 747 00:37:56,408 --> 00:37:58,541 a position of outrageousness 748 00:37:58,577 --> 00:38:02,045 that kind of masked everything 749 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,280 that was happening behind the scenes. 750 00:38:06,718 --> 00:38:07,951 CRAIG: And then, when you get that type of fame 751 00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:09,486 and that type of power, 752 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:12,155 and you come from nothing and you know nothing, 753 00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:15,158 and all you know is that everyone around you is "yes" 754 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,460 and "okay," "sure," 755 00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:19,496 and you have everything at your beck and call, 756 00:38:19,531 --> 00:38:21,698 you kind of lose perspective of reality. 757 00:38:26,772 --> 00:38:29,005 DR. JODY ADEWALE: Oftentimes, perpetrators 758 00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:32,542 will be so brave to say, "I'm gonna let the world know. 759 00:38:32,577 --> 00:38:34,177 "I'm gonna let everyone see what's going on, 760 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:35,879 and you'd better not say anything." 761 00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:41,518 That speaks to the amount of control 762 00:38:41,553 --> 00:38:45,255 an individual might have over another person. 763 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:48,191 (crowd cheering) 764 00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:50,660 CAREY: When I was out there on tour with him, 765 00:38:50,796 --> 00:38:53,430 he had a lot of guys that, you know, would pretty much, 766 00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:56,166 you know, if-if he say, 767 00:38:56,301 --> 00:38:58,068 "Go get some girls from the mall," 768 00:38:58,103 --> 00:38:58,835 they'll go get some girls. 769 00:39:06,178 --> 00:39:08,044 LIZZETTE: My name is Lizzette Martinez, 770 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,180 from Sunny Isles Beach, Florida. 771 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:14,184 I was a typical teenager. 772 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:17,287 I was at Aventura Mall with some girlfriends, 773 00:39:17,322 --> 00:39:19,823 and, uh, I see someone. 774 00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:22,225 A really tall guy wearing sunglasses. 775 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,195 So I said to my friend, 776 00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:27,664 "Oh, I think that's R. Kelly." 777 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,699 And she's like, "Why would he be at the mall?" 778 00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:32,402 And I said, "No, that's him." 779 00:39:32,437 --> 00:39:34,137 And he heard me, 780 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,673 and then he turned around, 781 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:38,641 and I was kind of starstruck, you know. 782 00:39:38,744 --> 00:39:40,276 Here's this person in front of me 783 00:39:40,412 --> 00:39:42,779 that I think is, like, the world. 784 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:44,948 And he walked up to me and gave me a hug, 785 00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:47,851 and I kind of, like, just... I was kind of frozen. 786 00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:50,887 And then he said he was recording an album. 787 00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:53,490 I said, "Okay, nice to meet you." And he left. 788 00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:55,558 But then his bodyguard came back 789 00:39:55,594 --> 00:39:57,694 and handed me his phone number 790 00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,764 and said, "R. Kelly would like you to call him." 791 00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:04,334 My best friend was with me, 792 00:40:04,436 --> 00:40:06,936 and she said, "Liz, this is your big break. 793 00:40:06,972 --> 00:40:09,139 Like, you better call, or I'm gonna call for you." 794 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:11,708 For me, singing was always an outlet, 795 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,576 and I planned on having a career. 796 00:40:13,612 --> 00:40:16,546 So I called and he said, 797 00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:20,350 "Well, I'd like you to come to dinner with us." 798 00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:23,019 My girlfriend said, "Let's get your makeup and hair done now. 799 00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:25,522 You know, this is it. You're gonna make it." 800 00:40:25,624 --> 00:40:28,458 We were so naive. 801 00:40:30,362 --> 00:40:33,396 LIZZETTE: His bodyguard handed me his phone number and said, 802 00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:35,298 "R. Kelly would like you to call him." 803 00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:40,970 So we met him at the steakhouse. 804 00:40:41,006 --> 00:40:43,473 It came up that I was, you know, an aspiring singer. 805 00:40:43,508 --> 00:40:47,110 Later on, we went to the recording studio, 806 00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:49,112 and my heart was thumping when I walked in. 807 00:40:49,147 --> 00:40:53,183 And he starts to play the piano. 808 00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:55,151 He plays a song by Boyz II Men 809 00:40:55,187 --> 00:40:56,786 and asked me to sing along with it. 810 00:40:56,888 --> 00:40:58,855 And I couldn't believe it. 811 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:02,091 I mean, I'm sitting with R. Kelly. 812 00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:06,596 I'm 17, and he's right here, singing. 813 00:41:06,731 --> 00:41:08,264 I just couldn't believe it. 814 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,801 I don't even know what to say. 815 00:41:11,837 --> 00:41:14,838 And then he just said that, you know, I sound really great. 816 00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:17,140 Had a great look. 817 00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:20,844 He thought I could make it and he was gonna help me. 818 00:41:20,879 --> 00:41:24,447 And then he leaned over and kissed me. 819 00:41:26,518 --> 00:41:30,119 And I was really, uh, taken aback by that. 820 00:41:30,255 --> 00:41:33,690 I didn't know how to say no. 821 00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:38,394 All of a sudden, his tongue is in my mouth. 822 00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:40,496 This is my dream. 823 00:41:42,033 --> 00:41:45,001 How do I handle this? 824 00:41:45,103 --> 00:41:47,570 I wanted the dream so bad, 825 00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:51,441 but I knew it was gonna be something else. 826 00:41:56,581 --> 00:41:59,632 I knew it was gonna be something else. 73222

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