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Rage. 12 00:00:59,935 --> 00:01:02,270 Two victims, blood everywhere. 13 00:01:04,857 --> 00:01:08,026 We find a glove-- It's a left glove-- 14 00:01:08,235 --> 00:01:10,862 and a blood trail indicating the 15 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,781 suspect has been wounded on the left side. 16 00:01:13,991 --> 00:01:16,993 So we're just getting into this when we 17 00:01:17,202 --> 00:01:22,915 find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife. 18 00:01:25,044 --> 00:01:27,712 We have two children asleep. 19 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:30,423 I have a very brutal murder. 20 00:01:30,632 --> 00:01:33,843 Someone's gotta make a death notification of next of kin. 21 00:01:34,053 --> 00:01:35,219 Which is Simpson. 22 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:39,682 Lang and Vannatter were talking 23 00:01:39,892 --> 00:01:42,185 and they called me over and said, 24 00:01:42,394 --> 00:01:44,979 "You were at Simpson's house once, right? 25 00:01:45,189 --> 00:01:47,690 We want you to take us up there." 26 00:01:50,819 --> 00:01:54,155 We pull close to the gate. 27 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:59,952 Vannatter was hitting the doorbell, 28 00:02:00,162 --> 00:02:01,037 they keep ringing the doorbell 29 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:04,457 and so I just stroll down the street. 30 00:02:04,708 --> 00:02:07,960 (ominous music) 31 00:02:08,170 --> 00:02:12,340 By the other gate, there's a white Bronco. 32 00:02:12,925 --> 00:02:15,802 On the driver's side door handle, blood. 33 00:02:17,846 --> 00:02:21,307 I mean there was enough evidence outside, 34 00:02:21,517 --> 00:02:25,019 we gotta make sure everybody's okay in here. 35 00:02:25,229 --> 00:02:28,272 Oh God, what are we going to do, Simpson's in there dead. 36 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:29,982 Well, yeah, we need to go in. 37 00:02:30,192 --> 00:02:34,320 So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate. 38 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:36,989 (ominous music) 39 00:02:38,242 --> 00:02:40,952 Bang on the front door, nothing. 40 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:45,289 Walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows. 41 00:02:45,499 --> 00:02:48,668 The first one was Kato Kaelin's. 42 00:02:48,877 --> 00:02:51,420 Kato Kaelin was a live-in... 43 00:02:53,799 --> 00:02:55,591 ...friend. 44 00:02:55,801 --> 00:02:59,470 We said, "We're the police, check on Mr. Simpson." 45 00:03:01,348 --> 00:03:03,224 OJ's in Chicago. 46 00:03:03,433 --> 00:03:04,892 Well, he left last night. 47 00:03:05,144 --> 00:03:06,644 Oh, thank God. 48 00:03:07,104 --> 00:03:10,773 They all leave and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin. 49 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:14,360 I go, "Tell me what you did last night." 50 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:18,030 He goes, "Well I was talking on the phone 51 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,450 and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake. 52 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:23,578 It was just like... (pounding) 53 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:26,205 ...on the wall and pictures shook." 54 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:29,959 Okay. 55 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:35,423 I walk back outside and I start walking 56 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:38,551 down the back, behind the bungalows. 57 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:42,305 And then as I pan down, 58 00:03:43,557 --> 00:03:46,809 I see this brown, glistening... 59 00:03:47,019 --> 00:03:50,646 At first I thought it was dog crap. 60 00:03:50,856 --> 00:03:54,483 And then I shined a light on it. It's a glove. 61 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,115 Just like the one... Ed Bundy... 62 00:04:01,325 --> 00:04:04,118 Uh, yeah, this is gonna get deep. 63 00:04:04,661 --> 00:04:06,871 This is gonna be a crime scene. 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,874 (ominous music) 65 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,730 I make the decision to make a telephonic 66 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:37,068 to the Brown family and I talk to Lou Brown 67 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:40,154 and say that your daughter Nicole is dead. 68 00:04:41,782 --> 00:04:43,032 It's quiet for about two seconds then 69 00:04:43,242 --> 00:04:47,912 all this screaming. It's Nicole's sister, Denise. 70 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:50,456 "I knew that motherfucker, he was gonna kill, 71 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:52,500 I knew he was gonna do this." 72 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:54,585 I mean, she didn't hesitate. 73 00:04:54,795 --> 00:04:56,003 Nobody comes unglued like that 74 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:58,965 unless they have a strong suspicion. 75 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:02,009 We gotta look at it a little differently now. 76 00:05:02,219 --> 00:05:03,928 We lock everything down, no more searching, 77 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:07,473 can't do anything until we get a warrant. 78 00:05:08,225 --> 00:05:10,309 Phil Vannatter called me and said, 79 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,728 "I've got some information; I need to get a search warrant. 80 00:05:12,938 --> 00:05:16,148 I need you to tell me if you think it sounds okay." 81 00:05:16,358 --> 00:05:20,361 And he just summarized the evidence and it was huge. 82 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:22,989 Okay, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine. 83 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:25,950 And he said, "You know who it is? 84 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:27,535 It's OJ Simpson." 85 00:05:28,537 --> 00:05:30,079 OJ Simpson? 86 00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:31,998 Um... 87 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:34,125 I was never into sports, 88 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,794 so I didn't even know what game he played. 89 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:40,923 I thought he was a has-been. 90 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,260 Monday afternoon came around, 91 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:48,556 Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him. 92 00:05:51,268 --> 00:05:55,187 It was quite surprising. 93 00:05:55,814 --> 00:06:00,276 Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case. 94 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:04,864 Okay, wow. (laughing) Here we go. 95 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:08,909 (ominous music) 96 00:06:27,262 --> 00:06:30,473 He said he's gonna talk to us, which is really strange. 97 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:39,273 You have one opportunity forever 98 00:06:39,483 --> 00:06:42,026 to talk to this guy, forever. 99 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:55,331 He's thinking he can control a couple of cops. 100 00:06:55,624 --> 00:06:59,126 Especially these guys 'cause, you know, they're pretty nice. 101 00:07:16,645 --> 00:07:20,189 What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was 102 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:22,274 simply to pin him down on what 103 00:07:22,484 --> 00:07:25,152 he did on the day of the murder. 104 00:07:31,034 --> 00:07:35,329 OJ just rambled and created an interview 105 00:07:35,539 --> 00:07:39,250 transcript that was useless to the prosecution. 106 00:07:52,764 --> 00:07:53,597 What do you mean, you were running 107 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:55,015 around doing what you do? 108 00:07:55,267 --> 00:07:56,308 What do you mean? 109 00:07:56,518 --> 00:07:58,811 What do you mean you cut yourself in Chicago 110 00:07:59,062 --> 00:08:00,563 but the blood got on the Bronco before you left. 111 00:08:00,772 --> 00:08:01,856 What do you mean? 112 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:04,316 There's a million things that they just let go. 113 00:08:04,526 --> 00:08:06,485 Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh. 114 00:08:06,695 --> 00:08:08,195 Oh my God. 115 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:12,116 What I wanted was his blood, photographs 116 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:14,160 taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his 117 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:17,371 fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation. 118 00:08:28,884 --> 00:08:30,176 We get the blood, we get all these things 119 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:32,761 we want which are going to be evidence. 120 00:08:32,971 --> 00:08:34,889 And then, ya know, he's released. 121 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:35,681 What? 122 00:08:35,891 --> 00:08:38,476 Why would you do that? 123 00:08:39,769 --> 00:08:44,231 If he was any other guy, would you have let him go? 124 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:47,359 And they said, "Where can he go? 125 00:08:47,611 --> 00:08:48,694 After all, what can he do?" 126 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:52,198 I mean, everybody recognizes him. 127 00:08:52,407 --> 00:08:55,117 (orchestral music) 128 00:09:25,649 --> 00:09:27,233 When I went over to Rockingham, 129 00:09:27,442 --> 00:09:29,985 he had like three TV's 130 00:09:30,195 --> 00:09:31,570 and each and every one of them, 131 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:34,240 he had a different channel on. 132 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:44,875 Suspect, what are you talking about? 133 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:46,877 Is he crazy? 134 00:09:47,337 --> 00:09:51,423 And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?" 135 00:09:51,633 --> 00:09:55,886 And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago." 136 00:09:56,096 --> 00:09:59,181 And I went oh, okay. 137 00:09:59,891 --> 00:10:03,686 Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question 138 00:10:03,895 --> 00:10:07,231 and he said, "I was chipping golf balls." 139 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,944 And I went, uh-hmm, later on that evening, 140 00:10:12,237 --> 00:10:15,239 same question came out, "Oh man, I was getting 141 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:19,368 the cell phone out of the Bronco, cut myself." 142 00:10:19,578 --> 00:10:21,036 I was like, wow. 143 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:27,710 I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on." 144 00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:29,795 and he says, "They asked me to take 145 00:10:30,005 --> 00:10:32,339 a lie detector test. 146 00:10:32,549 --> 00:10:34,091 I told them no." 147 00:10:34,342 --> 00:10:36,385 I said, "What do you mean, you told them no?" 148 00:10:36,595 --> 00:10:38,387 And he says, you know, jokingly, he says 149 00:10:38,597 --> 00:10:40,556 "Well, you know to be truthful, Shipp, 150 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:42,558 I have had dreams of killing her." 151 00:10:46,396 --> 00:10:48,147 I wanted to leave. 152 00:10:48,356 --> 00:10:50,274 I said, "I'm outta here." 153 00:10:58,325 --> 00:10:59,575 Here, at OJ Simpson's home, 154 00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:01,785 in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood, 155 00:11:01,995 --> 00:11:04,705 the world media has settled in to the siege. 156 00:11:04,914 --> 00:11:05,998 Against the public backdrop, 157 00:11:06,207 --> 00:11:08,375 police are quietly, methodically reconstructing 158 00:11:08,627 --> 00:11:11,587 the events of last Sunday evening to answer the question: 159 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:16,425 Could this American sports hero, possibly, be a murderer? 160 00:11:19,554 --> 00:11:22,514 (deep bass music) 161 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:41,593 (jet engines) 162 00:12:52,355 --> 00:12:55,482 At the time that this murder took place, 163 00:12:55,692 --> 00:13:00,821 OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine 164 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:02,489 to take him to the airport 165 00:13:02,699 --> 00:13:05,826 for a promotional event in Chicago. 166 00:13:06,035 --> 00:13:07,703 OJ Simpson has described 167 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:09,079 him as his quarterback. 168 00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:11,749 He is defense attorney Robert Shapiro. 169 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:13,542 I agree with that assessment. 170 00:13:13,752 --> 00:13:16,003 (upbeat music) 171 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:21,133 He was known as the fixer. 172 00:13:21,384 --> 00:13:23,427 He was a Hollywood lawyer. 173 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:29,600 He was not know as a "trial dogg" with two G's. 174 00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:35,105 You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal. 175 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:38,609 Bob had never tried a murder case. 176 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:39,860 And so when he called me in June 177 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:43,322 and said, "I need some help in the OJ case." 178 00:13:43,531 --> 00:13:45,157 I was more than ready. 179 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:47,951 Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro 180 00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:50,621 on some of his other cases 181 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:51,955 and I was pretty successful. 182 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:57,002 So they recruited me as the defense investigator. 183 00:14:00,632 --> 00:14:01,757 OJ was putting together his team. 184 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:03,050 They sent a guy over to me. 185 00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:05,385 "Hey man, we're putting together this thing." 186 00:14:05,595 --> 00:14:08,305 "We're going to need you, OJ needs you." 187 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:12,601 And I said, "I'm not on board." 188 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,730 And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face. 189 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:18,315 He said, "What?" 190 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:23,111 I said, "OJ killed her, I'm not on board." 191 00:14:24,906 --> 00:14:27,407 (piano music) 192 00:14:31,412 --> 00:14:34,039 I gotta say, I had a lot of fun with her. 193 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:35,791 At times, I felt like a big brother to her 'cause 194 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:38,085 I'd come over there and she'd share things with me. 195 00:14:38,294 --> 00:14:39,628 And I kinda felt special that she thought 196 00:14:39,838 --> 00:14:42,881 enough of me to tell me her problems. 197 00:14:43,091 --> 00:14:44,967 She's a great human being. 198 00:14:45,176 --> 00:14:46,301 Thank you. 199 00:14:46,553 --> 00:14:48,637 (applause) 200 00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:52,641 I remember early in... 201 00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:58,188 in the years that her and OJ was dating, 202 00:14:58,398 --> 00:14:59,648 we were all down in the Caribbean. 203 00:14:59,858 --> 00:15:01,567 OJ was working on a film, 204 00:15:01,776 --> 00:15:05,821 and if a lot of don't know, I'm gonna let you know now, 205 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:08,115 blacks can not swim, we can't float. 206 00:15:08,324 --> 00:15:10,576 (laughter) 207 00:15:10,827 --> 00:15:11,952 Justin can. 208 00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:15,664 Well, thank God, well he got that from his mom. 209 00:15:15,874 --> 00:15:17,708 So, we're out in the saltwater, right? 210 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:20,752 And Nicole is out there looking like, you know, 211 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:23,380 she was made to swim, she's backstroking and 212 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:25,340 she's doing all these things. 213 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:27,551 So, here's OJ and I, we're standing 214 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,720 on the shore and she's waving us in. 215 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:30,929 (laughter) 216 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:33,765 Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean. 217 00:15:33,975 --> 00:15:35,517 Everything down there floats. 218 00:15:35,727 --> 00:15:37,561 OJ and I got out there and we tried to float, 219 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:41,481 and she thought that's the funniest thing 220 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:42,900 she'd ever seen in her life. 221 00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:44,443 She could not believe it. 222 00:15:44,652 --> 00:15:46,361 And one of the things about Nicole, 223 00:15:46,571 --> 00:15:49,489 which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh. 224 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:51,533 Once that woman laughed, 225 00:15:51,743 --> 00:15:53,160 she was, uh... 226 00:15:53,369 --> 00:15:56,997 She brought out a lot of goodness in you. 227 00:15:57,206 --> 00:15:58,832 Nicole was very, very special to me. 228 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,500 That was my buddy. 229 00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:02,502 And, um... 230 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:08,008 And I know, Sydney and Justin, 231 00:16:09,344 --> 00:16:11,970 you've been blessed because a lot 232 00:16:12,263 --> 00:16:14,806 of her character and the goodness about her. 233 00:16:15,016 --> 00:16:16,892 You're not going to notice it now, 234 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:19,227 but you're going to notice it as you get older 235 00:16:19,437 --> 00:16:23,231 cause she's laid a great foundation for you two. 236 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:27,194 I love you, Nicole, and I love you too, Jason. 237 00:16:27,403 --> 00:16:29,071 I mean Justin and Sydney 238 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,783 and I'll always will be there for you. 239 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:34,910 (applause) 240 00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:43,835 OJ Simpson may soon face legal action. 241 00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:45,921 The Associated Press says a homicide detective 242 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,716 has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent. 243 00:16:51,594 --> 00:16:52,719 It is not only OJ Simpson's life 244 00:16:52,929 --> 00:16:54,721 that is coming under the media microscope. 245 00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:56,890 Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman, 246 00:16:57,141 --> 00:17:00,185 the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson. 247 00:17:00,395 --> 00:17:02,729 His family said he was nothing more than a friend. 248 00:17:02,939 --> 00:17:06,108 He was a special human being 249 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,278 that didn't deserve what's happened. 250 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:15,492 He was gonna open a restaurant. 251 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:22,541 After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment. 252 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:25,877 He had a floor plan, he had a menu, 253 00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:27,796 he had names of people whose art 254 00:17:28,006 --> 00:17:30,132 he was gonna hang on the wall. 255 00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,676 He had everything worked out. 256 00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:34,553 Obviously, this is your older brother. 257 00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:36,179 We don't get to spend very much time together, 258 00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:38,056 so I'm very glad that I was able to be here. 259 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:42,019 So I love you very much and I'll see you soon. 260 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,856 That was all taken away. 261 00:17:55,450 --> 00:17:59,244 My sister's body was gonna be behind closed doors. 262 00:17:59,454 --> 00:18:02,873 I said to my friend, "I can't go in there." 263 00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:05,917 And as I'm having this conversation 264 00:18:06,127 --> 00:18:08,628 with them I'm hearing screams. 265 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:14,676 Looking at her I can remember a black 266 00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:18,263 dress up to her neck because 267 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:23,351 what I had heard is that her head was 268 00:18:23,561 --> 00:18:25,312 almost cut off all the way. 269 00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:29,107 Which even shocked me more and more. 270 00:18:29,317 --> 00:18:31,151 I mean that was just like... 271 00:18:32,403 --> 00:18:37,741 and seeing her there, lying there in a coffin. 272 00:18:38,034 --> 00:18:41,620 I mean, it really, I mean, 273 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:44,623 I don't know, it's just terrible. 274 00:18:50,088 --> 00:18:51,797 He came to the wake. 275 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:56,468 It was just unbelievable. 276 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:01,890 We were all kind of in shock that he came there. 277 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:07,687 Judy asked him directly, "Did you kill my daughter?" 278 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:11,525 "No, no. I loved her too much." 279 00:19:15,238 --> 00:19:17,531 He was, like, on Xanax or something. 280 00:19:17,782 --> 00:19:20,575 He was just sedated. 281 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,954 I leaned over to him and said, 282 00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:26,790 "We're going to get through this." 283 00:19:27,708 --> 00:19:30,168 I had no idea what was going on. 284 00:19:31,754 --> 00:19:34,589 (orchestral music) 285 00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:51,439 Action News has learned that Simpson's 286 00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:54,192 attorney is working on a deal with police 287 00:19:54,402 --> 00:19:56,153 for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the 288 00:19:56,362 --> 00:20:00,323 lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus." 289 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:03,243 (orchestral music) 290 00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:20,468 Shapiro was going to surrender 291 00:20:20,678 --> 00:20:23,555 him to the detectives in the morning. 292 00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:32,105 We're standing outside Parker Center 293 00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:34,941 waiting for OJ to turn himself in. 294 00:20:36,819 --> 00:20:40,238 Every time a car would pass by, is that OJ? 295 00:20:43,159 --> 00:20:44,951 I think it was 11:00. 296 00:20:46,162 --> 00:20:48,788 Oh, no, he doesn't show up. 297 00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:53,710 I think I'd already scheduled a press conference. 298 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,879 And it's like, oh, no. 299 00:20:56,547 --> 00:21:00,383 We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here. 300 00:21:04,347 --> 00:21:07,974 I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender. 301 00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:09,059 I went with the assumption that they 302 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:11,061 would announce that he had been arrested. 303 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:14,064 Gascon's coming up. 304 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:15,065 Looking out at the auditorium, 305 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:17,525 not only are all the seats taken, 306 00:21:17,735 --> 00:21:18,902 but all the aisles are jammed, 307 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:21,571 the front is jammed, the back wall is jammed. 308 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,324 He's on the stage. 309 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:25,283 And I was the one who was gonna 310 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,827 have to stand out there naked. 311 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,668 This morning detectives from the Los Angeles 312 00:21:34,877 --> 00:21:38,546 Police Department sought and obtained a warrant 313 00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:42,008 for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him 314 00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,678 with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson 315 00:21:44,887 --> 00:21:47,180 and Ronald Lyle Goldman. 316 00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:53,603 Mr. Simpson, in agreement with his attorney, 317 00:21:54,897 --> 00:21:57,148 was scheduled to surrender this morning, 318 00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,442 to the Los Angeles Police Department. 319 00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:02,070 Initially, that was 11:00. 320 00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:05,907 It then became 11:45. 321 00:22:06,951 --> 00:22:10,120 Mr. Simpson has not appeared. 322 00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:17,085 The Los Angeles Police Department, right now, 323 00:22:17,295 --> 00:22:20,880 is actively searching for Mr. Simpson. 324 00:22:23,926 --> 00:22:25,302 The gasp that went through the room, 325 00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:26,761 I think it's right at that moment, 326 00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:29,472 that I realized, oh boy, this is big. 327 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:32,559 We will continue our pursuit of Mr. Simpson 328 00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:36,021 and hope to have him in custody soon. 329 00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:39,149 He's gone. 330 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:40,191 I looked at Marika and said, 331 00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:43,153 "It's a helicopter story now. 332 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:46,323 Let's find this son of a bitch." 333 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:47,991 I can take a few questions. 334 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,994 (everyone speaks at once) 335 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:52,287 I'd known Gascon for a long time 336 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:55,790 and he's a fairly easygoing guy normally. 337 00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:57,042 You're gonna have to hold it down. 338 00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:59,044 One at a time or won't be able to hear you. 339 00:22:59,253 --> 00:23:01,713 Then a sense of humor to add a light touch. 340 00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:04,049 You asked a question, would you like for me to answer? 341 00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,801 He got pretty tightly wound that day. 342 00:23:07,011 --> 00:23:09,179 I doubt that there's anyone around this country 343 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:10,680 that's been monitoring television, radio, 344 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:13,224 or newspapers, that doesn't know at this point 345 00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:16,519 that something's going on in this case. 346 00:23:18,481 --> 00:23:23,651 If you, in any way, are assisting Mr. Simpson 347 00:23:23,861 --> 00:23:26,654 in avoiding justice, Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of 348 00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,366 justice right now. 349 00:23:29,867 --> 00:23:32,160 And if you assist him in any way, 350 00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:34,871 you are committing a felony. 351 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:37,665 I was pissed off that we were in essence 352 00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:40,835 given the old Italian gesture. 353 00:23:42,004 --> 00:23:46,591 I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office. 354 00:23:46,801 --> 00:23:48,426 I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed. 355 00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:50,720 Angry at who, beyond... 356 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,972 I'm angry at OJ Simpson. 357 00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:03,191 (police radio) 358 00:24:28,634 --> 00:24:31,344 It is not an escape, he was not under arrest. 359 00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:36,850 He was under sedation in a very, very emotional state. 360 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:42,689 He was at a residence that is secluded, 361 00:24:42,898 --> 00:24:46,025 that is very, very hard to find, 362 00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:48,736 and there was never any thought of him 363 00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:51,281 leaving that residence without us. 364 00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:57,620 This letter was written by OJ today. 365 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:02,876 First, everyone understand, 366 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:06,880 I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder. 367 00:25:08,215 --> 00:25:13,178 I loved her, always have, and always will. 368 00:25:13,387 --> 00:25:19,309 If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much. 369 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:23,313 It's 1700, 5 pm, when you have 370 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,316 Kardashian reading the letter. 371 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:31,738 I thought, wow, maybe he killed himself. 372 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:37,577 I think of my life and feel I've done most 373 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:42,290 of the right things, so why do I end up like this? 374 00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:45,752 I can't go on. 375 00:25:46,712 --> 00:25:49,631 No matter what the outcome, 376 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,966 people will look and point. 377 00:25:52,968 --> 00:25:54,511 I can't take that. 378 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,431 I can't subject my children to that. 379 00:25:59,141 --> 00:26:01,643 We deal with folks who are in crisis 380 00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:07,398 and get to a very dark place and they just do it. 381 00:26:08,317 --> 00:26:10,443 Don't feel sorry for me. 382 00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:13,363 I've had a great life. 383 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,323 Great friends. 384 00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:20,912 Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person. 385 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:30,547 The note says, to me, feel sorry for me but... 386 00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:33,841 I'm the guy, you know, I'm the bad guy. 387 00:26:37,221 --> 00:26:38,846 He was, Mr. Cowlings was with him, 388 00:26:39,056 --> 00:26:42,475 he was his best friend, he was by his side 389 00:26:42,685 --> 00:26:45,853 for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs. 390 00:26:48,148 --> 00:26:50,900 AC just had a love for OJ. 391 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:55,822 I remember once, in high school, 392 00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:57,031 a friend of mine had a starter 393 00:26:57,241 --> 00:26:59,993 pistol that he brought to school. 394 00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:01,327 So we said okay, let's go, 395 00:27:01,537 --> 00:27:05,582 take the gun and pull it on OJ 396 00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:08,376 and act like we're gonna shoot him. 397 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,045 We were all down for it. 398 00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:16,301 So, we went out on the field where OJ and Al were 399 00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:19,679 and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out 400 00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:22,473 and everybody sorta stepped back. 401 00:27:22,683 --> 00:27:27,812 And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ. 402 00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:33,776 And said, "Ray, if you gonna shoot OJ, 403 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:36,487 you gotta shoot me first." 404 00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:42,076 (police radios) 405 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:46,914 1993 Ford Bronco. 406 00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:52,420 We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department 407 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:54,422 and they believe that this vehicle 408 00:27:54,632 --> 00:27:58,509 is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y. 409 00:27:59,595 --> 00:28:02,055 And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y. 410 00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:06,225 And there's a white Bronco. 411 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,519 Then there's a sheriff's unit and 412 00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:11,397 there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit. 413 00:28:11,607 --> 00:28:13,650 Okay, here we are, open the door. 414 00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:18,404 We get the door open and we get our very first shot. 415 00:28:18,614 --> 00:28:20,490 And I'm back on the two way radio 416 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:24,494 telling CBS, you gotta get us on the air, we found him. 417 00:28:26,121 --> 00:28:28,623 And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather. 418 00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:29,957 This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung 419 00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:31,376 in Los Angeles and let's hold on a second here. 420 00:28:31,627 --> 00:28:34,587 I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter 421 00:28:34,797 --> 00:28:37,882 coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police. 422 00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:40,259 And let's pick up some of the 423 00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:42,387 transmission from the helicopter. 424 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:43,763 They believe he's suicidal 425 00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:45,473 and very dangerous. 426 00:28:45,683 --> 00:28:48,601 Unfortunately at this time it does not 427 00:28:48,811 --> 00:28:51,604 appear as though the driver is slowing down 428 00:28:51,814 --> 00:28:56,234 or complying with the orders of the officers. 429 00:28:56,443 --> 00:28:59,904 We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes. 430 00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:03,950 And this was the most conflicted I had every been. 431 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:05,368 The gravity of the murder, I mean, 432 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:09,622 this was a double homicide and this is a tragic story. 433 00:29:09,832 --> 00:29:13,543 Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson. 434 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,587 I've fallen quite a bit transitioning, you know, 435 00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:20,425 you go from being like a hero pilot to some tranny, 436 00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:23,136 you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself but 437 00:29:23,387 --> 00:29:27,056 this is like an epic fall. 438 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,268 And I'm weighing consequences of this with 439 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:34,480 also the biggest news story, like, ever. 440 00:29:34,690 --> 00:29:35,606 I'm going to use a 441 00:29:35,816 --> 00:29:37,608 pair of binoculars to try to determine 442 00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:41,487 whether or not I can see Mr. Simpson. 443 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:47,744 Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys. 444 00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:50,037 I hope they shoot this son of a bitch. 445 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:54,375 And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here. 446 00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:57,587 (phone ringing) 447 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,464 911, what are you reporting? 448 00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:01,215 This is AC. 449 00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:02,425 I have OJ in the car. 450 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:04,385 Okay, where are you? 451 00:30:04,595 --> 00:30:06,471 Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway. 452 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,513 Okay. 453 00:30:07,723 --> 00:30:08,598 Right now we are okay. 454 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,892 But you got to tell the police to back off. 455 00:30:11,143 --> 00:30:13,603 He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head. 456 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,481 Okay, hold on a minute, Monica. 457 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:17,565 He just wants to see his mother. 458 00:30:17,775 --> 00:30:19,066 Let me get him to the house. 459 00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:22,236 Okay, hold on a moment. 460 00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:24,906 Okay, what's your name? 461 00:30:25,115 --> 00:30:26,115 My name is AC. 462 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:27,366 You know who I am, God dammit. 463 00:30:27,576 --> 00:30:28,826 Okay. 464 00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:35,917 Right now, that OJ's sitting there is the passenger seat with 465 00:30:36,126 --> 00:30:38,628 a gun pointed at his own head. 466 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:42,548 Someone turned the TV on and there he is. 467 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:43,925 14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's 468 00:30:44,134 --> 00:30:45,885 Department and Highway Patrol 469 00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:48,554 following behind a good distance. 470 00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:53,518 Oh my God, this isn't real, this can't be real. 471 00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:55,144 We're dumbfounded. 472 00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:58,481 Law enforcement is following Simpson. 473 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,192 They want him to stop. 474 00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:02,610 Red lights and sirens. 475 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,362 It's not an escort. 476 00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:07,865 Why are they allowing him to continue? 477 00:31:08,075 --> 00:31:09,033 Really, the game plan is 478 00:31:09,243 --> 00:31:11,536 really being conducted by Mr. Simpson 479 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,912 at this point and it's very much like 480 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:14,956 when the president travels down a major 481 00:31:15,165 --> 00:31:17,708 thoroughfare, like a freeway. 482 00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:20,336 I was wondering, okay, maybe around 483 00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,129 the next curve they've got it marked 484 00:31:22,339 --> 00:31:25,466 off and they're going to force him to stop. 485 00:31:25,676 --> 00:31:29,679 It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour. 486 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:33,558 But I'm not a police tactician. 487 00:31:33,767 --> 00:31:35,309 That was their call. 488 00:31:38,522 --> 00:31:41,482 I've covered so many of these things, 489 00:31:41,692 --> 00:31:44,402 this was not usual police behavior. 490 00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:47,405 If OJ Simpson were black, 491 00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:50,116 that shit wouldn't have happened. 492 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:55,663 He'd be on the ground getting clubbed. 493 00:31:55,873 --> 00:31:58,749 But since he transcended race and color 494 00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:02,587 to the exalted status of celebrity, 495 00:32:02,796 --> 00:32:04,505 he got a motorcade. 496 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,008 This is not a chase, 497 00:32:07,217 --> 00:32:09,719 this is basically an accompaniment. 498 00:32:10,721 --> 00:32:13,472 (ominous music) 499 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:18,060 Nobody is doing anything. 500 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,564 So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office. 501 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:22,565 She said, "Well, I just happen to 502 00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:24,358 have his cell number, would you like it? 503 00:32:24,568 --> 00:32:25,735 (laughing) 504 00:32:26,028 --> 00:32:27,403 (phone ringing) 505 00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:28,654 You there? 506 00:32:28,906 --> 00:32:29,864 Just let me get to my house. 507 00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:31,032 Okay, we're gonna do that. 508 00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:32,325 I swear to you I'll give you, 509 00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:34,076 I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body. 510 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:35,077 Okay-- 511 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:36,746 I just need to get to my house. 512 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,623 Okay, we're gonna do that, 513 00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:40,124 just throw the gun out the window. 514 00:32:40,334 --> 00:32:41,042 I can't do that. 515 00:32:41,251 --> 00:32:41,959 We're not gonna bother you, 516 00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:42,877 we're gonna let you go up there. 517 00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:44,128 Just throw it out the window, 518 00:32:44,338 --> 00:32:45,630 please, you're scaring everybody. 519 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:46,923 This is not to keep 520 00:32:47,132 --> 00:32:48,591 you guys away from me, this is for me. 521 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,009 I know that, nobody's gonna hurt you. 522 00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:51,677 This is for me. 523 00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:53,387 He's trying, in my mind, 524 00:32:53,597 --> 00:32:54,805 to imply he's going to commit suicide, 525 00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:56,349 but he's not saying that. 526 00:32:56,558 --> 00:32:58,976 So, I'm playing along with that. 527 00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:02,897 (moaning) 528 00:33:03,106 --> 00:33:07,610 Hey, everybody loves you, don't do this. 529 00:33:07,861 --> 00:33:11,614 Just throw it out the window and nobody's gonna get hurt. 530 00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:13,866 You've got a guy here that's, 531 00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:15,117 I don't know where his mind is, 532 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,787 I really believe he killed two people. 533 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:20,581 But now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops. 534 00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:22,291 Is he gonna start shooting at the cops? 535 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:24,502 Is he gonna shoot at AC and kill... 536 00:33:24,711 --> 00:33:27,129 Is he gonna blow his own brains out? 537 00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:30,174 I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's 538 00:33:30,425 --> 00:33:33,302 going to temporarily at least take his mind off the gun. 539 00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,805 I'm the only one that deserves this. 540 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,139 No, you don't deserve that. 541 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,767 You do not deserve to get hurt. 542 00:33:39,977 --> 00:33:40,685 Don't do this. 543 00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:42,269 All I did was love Nicole. 544 00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:43,813 All I did was love her. 545 00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:44,772 I understand. 546 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:46,482 Love everybody, show everybody 547 00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:48,317 my whole life that I love everybody. 548 00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:51,237 We know that and everybody loves you. 549 00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:53,864 Your kids need you. 550 00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:55,241 I've already said goodbye to my kids. 551 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:56,742 You're gonna hurt everybody. 552 00:33:56,952 --> 00:33:57,910 I'm just gonna have to see. 553 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,203 No, don't 554 00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:01,372 I'm gonna go with Nicole. That's all I'm gonna do. 555 00:34:01,623 --> 00:34:02,581 That's all I'm trying to do. 556 00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:03,666 Think about everybody else, alright? 557 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:04,750 I couldn't on the freeway. 558 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,751 I couldn't do it in a field. 559 00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:06,961 I want to do it at her grave. 560 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:09,296 I want to do it at my house. 561 00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,340 You gonna go to the house? 562 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:15,636 We were told he was going to the Rockingham location. 563 00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:18,848 And that's all we were told. 564 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,766 If they requested SWAT to handle something, 565 00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:23,602 that's because they can't handle it themselves. 566 00:34:23,812 --> 00:34:25,438 I was told you're going to do the talking, 567 00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:28,691 you're going to be the negotiator. 568 00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:32,445 Drive time from downtown to the west side 569 00:34:32,654 --> 00:34:35,906 was gonna take 30, 40 minutes. 570 00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:37,533 We were trying to beat him. 571 00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:39,869 They were pressuring us. He's pretty close. 572 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,955 We were estimating we were about 10 minutes ahead. 573 00:34:43,165 --> 00:34:46,459 The last thing we want is for him to get there before us. 574 00:34:46,668 --> 00:34:49,962 Because now we're going to lose control. 575 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:55,384 And we're on the freeway and all the overpasses, 576 00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:57,845 there were people already staged. 577 00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:03,309 Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ, 578 00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:05,811 What a bunch of losers. 579 00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:09,815 I think people realized, hey, 580 00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:12,902 this is gonna be passing my neighborhood. 581 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:16,030 And they wanted to see OJ's last run. 582 00:35:17,074 --> 00:35:18,574 This was not a somber event. 583 00:35:18,825 --> 00:35:22,411 This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties. 584 00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:27,917 (orchestral music) 585 00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:34,965 This was lined with people. 586 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:37,843 (police sirens) 587 00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:46,185 And they're running full speed down the street, 588 00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,813 trying to get to the location. 589 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,860 We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in. 590 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:57,822 (chanting) OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ! 591 00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,918 District Attorney of Los Angeles, 592 00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:13,087 Mr. Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled 593 00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:15,047 make things worse for him? 594 00:36:15,257 --> 00:36:18,050 Any time you have an accused who leaves, 595 00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:20,803 that and the fact, we believe, 596 00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,681 shows a consciousness of guilt. 597 00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:30,729 (chanting "Free OJ") 598 00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:38,195 I think earlier in the week, 599 00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:39,822 all of us close to OJ 600 00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:43,534 didn't believe that he had been involved in this. 601 00:36:43,785 --> 00:36:45,911 And now I think there's a sense of resignation 602 00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,705 and has been for the last 24 hours and 603 00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:49,248 we can't believe what's happening 604 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:51,792 and there was nothing ever, ever 605 00:36:52,002 --> 00:36:53,127 in the past that would indicate 606 00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:57,006 that OJ would be capable of doing what he's doing right now. 607 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:00,926 Did they let you go? 608 00:37:01,136 --> 00:37:05,222 They didn't say anything, all of a sudden, they just... 609 00:37:06,516 --> 00:37:08,851 What was that? 610 00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:11,729 Yeah. 611 00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:14,648 Oh, okay, CBS is trying to get you in. 612 00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:15,983 Now, he's pulling off now, 613 00:37:16,193 --> 00:37:18,402 they've just pulled off a main highway. 614 00:37:18,612 --> 00:37:20,279 Judy Mullard, help us here. 615 00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,072 I can't tell ya, looks like 616 00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:24,575 Santa Monica Freeway, heading I can't 617 00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:26,035 tell ya yet. 618 00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:28,078 Look at all these people 619 00:37:28,288 --> 00:37:29,371 -rushing up to the corner... -No, it's an exit 620 00:37:29,623 --> 00:37:30,956 This word has obviously spread 621 00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:34,210 Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving... 622 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:37,087 (police sirens) 623 00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:44,803 There is an absolutely utterly macabre 624 00:37:45,013 --> 00:37:47,765 nature to all this. 625 00:37:49,893 --> 00:37:50,893 They've been cheering him on, 626 00:37:51,144 --> 00:37:52,603 yelling, "Go Juice go." 627 00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:54,980 Cheering him on, 628 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:56,315 He pulled off at Sunset, 629 00:37:56,524 --> 00:38:00,569 off the 405, he's on his way back toward Brentwood. 630 00:38:04,074 --> 00:38:06,700 When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence, 631 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:10,746 there was family inside the residence and they were eating. 632 00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:12,456 Looked like they had like a sandwich buffet 633 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:16,418 that they were doing and they were watching tv. 634 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,678 Dining. 635 00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:28,889 I use that clinical term. 636 00:38:29,891 --> 00:38:31,141 Nutty. 637 00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:36,939 (police sirens) 638 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:41,986 Both sides of the street 639 00:38:42,195 --> 00:38:45,656 have pedestrians, he just passed us at Barrington. 640 00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:47,032 Okay, Eric, its only now probably 641 00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,326 three minutes at the most I would 642 00:38:49,536 --> 00:38:53,330 say to his home in Brentwood. 643 00:38:57,836 --> 00:38:59,962 They're passing the church installed there. 644 00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:02,423 They are heading right into Brentwood now. 645 00:39:02,632 --> 00:39:04,717 He's heading to my house. 646 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:09,388 He's making a right turn, I assume, 647 00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:11,181 that's up into Brentwood Park, 648 00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:12,850 and appears to be on the way to 649 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:16,312 either his home or very close to his home. 650 00:39:17,731 --> 00:39:19,356 We closed the gate on Rockingham, 651 00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:21,775 we left this one open to force him through 652 00:39:22,027 --> 00:39:25,279 and make him come into where we wanted him. 653 00:39:33,830 --> 00:39:35,748 There was a sniper team in this house across the street, 654 00:39:35,957 --> 00:39:38,375 there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence. 655 00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:40,836 And there was one across the street. 656 00:39:41,046 --> 00:39:42,463 (police radio) Use your own discretion. 657 00:39:42,672 --> 00:39:44,465 You take him down if you have to. 658 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,303 When'd you see the kids last, Juice? 659 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:51,221 He's pulling up in my driveway. 660 00:39:51,431 --> 00:39:53,057 I know, I see you, I see you. 661 00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,059 Please, toss the gun. 662 00:39:55,268 --> 00:39:57,436 Juice, just toss it. 663 00:39:57,645 --> 00:40:00,397 He's pulling into his house, oh shit. 664 00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:02,107 I've never seen anything like this. 665 00:40:02,317 --> 00:40:04,068 Mr. Simpson, OJ please. 666 00:40:05,487 --> 00:40:07,154 When we're standing in the threshold there, 667 00:40:07,364 --> 00:40:09,490 to my right is a television so, 668 00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:12,868 when the Bronco pulls into the driveway 669 00:40:14,204 --> 00:40:17,790 I see Bronco, Cowlings, Simpson in the backseat 670 00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:20,250 and then I look right here and I get the 671 00:40:20,502 --> 00:40:22,878 point of view that you're seeing. 672 00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:24,213 Oh my goodness gracious. 673 00:40:24,464 --> 00:40:27,549 He's come home after all of that. 674 00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:31,053 Just as we're trying to get words out, 675 00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,430 a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door 676 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,308 and starts hitting at AC Cowlings. 677 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,187 Who is that out there? 678 00:40:40,397 --> 00:40:42,272 He's just trying to help. 679 00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:44,274 He's just trying to help, man. 680 00:40:44,484 --> 00:40:49,780 Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson, That's OJ's son." 681 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:54,743 So, I told Pepabrick, I said, "Go out there and get him." 682 00:40:57,539 --> 00:40:58,872 Moved him out, 683 00:41:00,917 --> 00:41:05,212 now we get down to the business that we designed. 684 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,674 At this juncture, it's very fragile. 685 00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:13,637 What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise, 686 00:41:14,764 --> 00:41:17,182 you had a helicopter seemed like about 50 feet 687 00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:21,145 off the deck, every car that was in the following 688 00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:24,314 had their red lights and sirens on. 689 00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:27,151 If you just take a snapshot, 690 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,529 you'd go, this is madness, absolute madness. 691 00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:37,703 I watched that from the newsroom 692 00:41:37,912 --> 00:41:39,621 and when I saw a couple of the SWAT officers 693 00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:42,416 that I recognized run across the shot, I thought, 694 00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:46,003 oh my God, they're gonna kill him in the driveway. 695 00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:48,338 Just toss it please. 696 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:49,423 Alright? 697 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,136 Juice, just toss the gun. 698 00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:55,429 I did not want him to get out 699 00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:57,055 of the car with a gun in his hand, 700 00:41:57,307 --> 00:41:58,348 they'd have dumped him, 701 00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:00,559 they would not have had a choice. 702 00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:06,023 Juice, come on, Juice. 703 00:42:08,276 --> 00:42:10,194 They resolve most situations peacefully, 704 00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:13,572 but they are there to finish it one way or another. 705 00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:16,033 OJ, no, no OJ. 706 00:42:19,162 --> 00:42:21,288 Don't, no man, don't. 707 00:42:21,498 --> 00:42:23,290 Juice, don't do it, Juice. 708 00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:27,211 Pick it up. 709 00:42:27,462 --> 00:42:29,838 I'm thinking, okay, there are a lot 710 00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:32,049 of people that are betting on us. 711 00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:33,675 That we're going to screw this up. 712 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:35,093 That are cynical. 713 00:42:35,345 --> 00:42:38,096 That believe that we are a 714 00:42:38,306 --> 00:42:40,307 brutal horrible organization. 715 00:42:40,517 --> 00:42:42,392 And it's just not the case. 716 00:42:46,773 --> 00:42:48,482 How do they know, that the police 717 00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,442 and the DA didn't make all this 718 00:42:50,652 --> 00:42:55,239 evidence up, to make him act the way that he's acting? 719 00:42:55,448 --> 00:42:56,448 We were recovering from Rodney King 720 00:42:56,658 --> 00:42:59,451 and it's so important for the people 721 00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:02,204 to see things that go the right way. 722 00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:03,455 There is so much on the news where 723 00:43:03,706 --> 00:43:05,207 things go the wrong way. 724 00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:06,250 Normally, that wouldn't be on my mind, 725 00:43:06,459 --> 00:43:08,126 but that night it was. 726 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,763 Door's opening. 727 00:43:22,475 --> 00:43:24,351 That is Al Cowlings. 728 00:43:24,561 --> 00:43:26,228 He's quite, quite upset at the moment. 729 00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:27,271 Yeah. 730 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,773 Quite emotional here. 731 00:43:30,024 --> 00:43:32,025 I've got to get Cowlings out. 732 00:43:32,235 --> 00:43:33,402 As much as he was trying to help, 733 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:36,363 he was interfering in where I needed to do. 734 00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:38,031 I needed to speak directly to Mr. Simpson, 735 00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:41,076 to try and keep him from hurting himself. 736 00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:44,997 And Mr. Cowlings was trying to be a go between. 737 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,458 He was very worried about his friend. 738 00:43:48,668 --> 00:43:50,460 He kept asking us, please don't hurt him, 739 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:53,046 please don't hurt him, please. 740 00:43:53,256 --> 00:43:54,381 And he wanted to go back, 741 00:43:54,591 --> 00:43:56,008 he wanted to stay with his friend. 742 00:43:56,217 --> 00:43:59,386 And we wouldn't allow it, we can't. 743 00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:00,929 Police haven't made a move, 744 00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:04,474 we understand negotiations are still going on. 745 00:44:05,476 --> 00:44:06,935 Simpson, you can see him, 746 00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:10,522 cradling what looks like framed photos, 747 00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:14,276 but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin 748 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,194 and it looks like he's just resting his 749 00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:18,530 chin on the barrel of the weapon. 750 00:44:18,781 --> 00:44:21,366 It was the look of a defeated man. 751 00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:28,540 They are, according to police scanners, 752 00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:30,626 talking to OJ on the phone, from the inside 753 00:44:30,835 --> 00:44:34,046 the house, trying to negotiate something. 754 00:44:35,882 --> 00:44:38,842 I said to him very early on, 755 00:44:39,052 --> 00:44:43,680 I don't think your children need to see another tragedy. 756 00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:46,224 And he immediately changed the subject 757 00:44:46,434 --> 00:44:49,311 right to about himself, he wouldn't even speak to that. 758 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,356 I said I know where he's coming from. 759 00:44:52,565 --> 00:44:56,360 There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere, 760 00:44:58,237 --> 00:44:59,321 normally you would see other photos 761 00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:01,031 of family members or something else, 762 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,369 you didn't see those things, it was all him. 763 00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:09,665 I told Mike Albanis, Mike, I can talk him into it. 764 00:45:09,874 --> 00:45:11,249 We can appeal to his ego enough 765 00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:14,211 that he's going to come out for us. 766 00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:16,546 His voice, in the beginning, was 767 00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:19,383 excited but then it calmed down. 768 00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:23,595 The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it. 769 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:26,765 We want to show them that you're 770 00:45:26,974 --> 00:45:28,934 still the person you have been all these years. 771 00:45:29,185 --> 00:45:33,313 This great football player, this great everything. 772 00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:36,066 (dramatic music) 773 00:45:39,612 --> 00:45:40,821 He asked me to come out to the car, 774 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:42,030 and I said, "No, you're going to show 775 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:43,281 them yourself, you're going to show them 776 00:45:43,491 --> 00:45:44,741 just how big and courageous you are, 777 00:45:44,951 --> 00:45:45,992 you're going to walk to me and you're 778 00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:47,369 going to leave the gun in the car, 779 00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:51,915 you're going to walk out and show everyone, right now. 780 00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:54,042 You're going to do this." 781 00:45:55,795 --> 00:45:58,588 My personal spin, I think, he wanted 782 00:45:58,798 --> 00:46:00,716 to surrender when it was dark. 783 00:46:00,925 --> 00:46:03,719 So that he wouldn't be seen. 784 00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:07,639 Night has fallen here over Brentwood. 785 00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:11,893 He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms. 786 00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:15,564 We told him, open the door, 787 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:17,399 put your arm out with the frame, 788 00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:20,527 and the other arm out with the framed photo, 789 00:46:20,737 --> 00:46:24,531 so it's clear to everybody, so there was no mistaking. 790 00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:30,036 Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle. 791 00:46:30,246 --> 00:46:31,955 Kinda just hunches over, 792 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:36,501 shuffles six, eight steps to us, 793 00:46:36,711 --> 00:46:38,503 and collapses in our arms. 794 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,882 He goes, "I'm sorry, 795 00:46:42,091 --> 00:46:44,551 I was never going to hurt you guys. I'm sorry. 796 00:46:44,761 --> 00:46:47,012 I was never going to hurt you guys." 797 00:46:47,263 --> 00:46:48,346 OJ's in custody. 798 00:46:48,556 --> 00:46:50,223 We understand that OJ's in custody. 799 00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:51,683 They're calling a code four. 800 00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:53,560 All clear, all safe. 801 00:46:54,687 --> 00:46:57,481 Thank you, thank you to God. 802 00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,485 (reporters asking questions) 803 00:47:04,447 --> 00:47:05,947 Unbelievable, we saw an incredible 804 00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:08,366 situation that's gone on for hours. 805 00:47:08,576 --> 00:47:12,704 Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department. 806 00:47:13,748 --> 00:47:15,290 The officers kept their distance. 807 00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:17,000 They allowed the SWAT team, the pros, 808 00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:20,754 to come in, they took their positions. 809 00:47:20,963 --> 00:47:24,508 He'd asked me to stay with him throughout the process. 810 00:47:24,717 --> 00:47:27,052 I promised him I would stay with him. 811 00:47:27,303 --> 00:47:29,221 I said it's time, I gotta handcuff you now, 812 00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:30,514 you need to be handcuffed. 813 00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:32,140 I'm sorry, this is the way it works. 814 00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:34,392 (police sirens) 815 00:47:36,145 --> 00:47:40,065 As we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds. 816 00:47:42,235 --> 00:47:44,986 He just couldn't believe there was this many people there. 817 00:47:45,196 --> 00:47:47,906 (Free OJ, Free OJ) 818 00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:49,574 And he said, "What are all these 819 00:47:49,826 --> 00:47:51,743 niggers doing in Brentwood?" 820 00:47:51,953 --> 00:47:54,704 (crowd cheering) 821 00:48:00,169 --> 00:48:02,546 I walk outside and Shapiro's there. 822 00:48:02,755 --> 00:48:04,422 Shapiro shakes my hand, he says, 823 00:48:04,632 --> 00:48:08,468 "Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson." 824 00:48:08,678 --> 00:48:09,761 He grabbed me and went to hug me. 825 00:48:09,971 --> 00:48:12,264 I go, let's just, 826 00:48:12,849 --> 00:48:15,392 I wasn't in the mood for a hug 827 00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:19,104 and maybe I wasn't professional. 828 00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:23,024 I don't know the frickin' guy, right, 829 00:48:23,234 --> 00:48:26,069 and he wants to weep on me? 830 00:48:26,279 --> 00:48:28,822 (dramatic music) 831 00:48:29,782 --> 00:48:32,868 Well this is one nutty day. It really is. 832 00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:35,620 I said, I have seen everything in law enforcement. 833 00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:38,665 There is nothing else that can top this. 834 00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:41,626 (dramatic music) 835 00:49:01,647 --> 00:49:03,982 (piano music) 836 00:49:30,343 --> 00:49:32,218 Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson 837 00:49:32,428 --> 00:49:35,180 is expected to make his first court appearance. 838 00:49:35,389 --> 00:49:37,432 OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch, 839 00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:41,311 visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer. 840 00:49:42,772 --> 00:49:44,356 Please, 841 00:49:49,362 --> 00:49:50,695 Alright, people. 842 00:49:56,911 --> 00:49:58,828 Please speak up so you may be heard. 843 00:49:59,038 --> 00:49:59,663 Uh, yes. 844 00:50:01,958 --> 00:50:02,749 Pardon me, I'm sorry. 845 00:50:02,959 --> 00:50:03,833 May we start all over again? 846 00:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,251 Yes. 847 00:50:08,756 --> 00:50:10,131 He looked a mess. 848 00:50:11,801 --> 00:50:15,428 He looked like someone who had committed murder. 849 00:50:15,638 --> 00:50:17,138 There was nothing about the old 850 00:50:17,348 --> 00:50:20,183 smiling Simpson, about him that day. 851 00:50:21,435 --> 00:50:22,769 Your charges for this complaint 852 00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:24,270 in that you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced 853 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,816 forethought murder Nicole Brown Simpson. 854 00:50:29,819 --> 00:50:32,153 In count two your charge is the crime 855 00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:34,906 of murder in violation of penal code section 187. 856 00:50:35,116 --> 00:50:36,866 That you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced 857 00:50:37,076 --> 00:50:40,578 forethought murder Ronald Lyle Goldman. 858 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,916 When he initially entered the plea, 859 00:50:45,126 --> 00:50:47,043 he barely choked it out. 860 00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:48,169 Not guilty. 861 00:50:50,214 --> 00:50:51,506 Alright, then, the not guilty plea will 862 00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:53,550 be entered, the case will be set for a 863 00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:56,803 preliminary hearing within the statutory period. 864 00:50:57,013 --> 00:50:57,887 Recess. 865 00:50:59,974 --> 00:51:01,808 This case will be handled as every case is handled, 866 00:51:02,018 --> 00:51:04,185 the case will be thoroughly investigated by top 867 00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:07,522 notch investigators, we will present the prosecution 868 00:51:07,732 --> 00:51:10,775 in a thorough and professional manner. 869 00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,695 I amongst others, recommended her. 870 00:51:13,946 --> 00:51:16,156 I was aware of her successes in the court room. 871 00:51:16,574 --> 00:51:19,659 I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer. 872 00:51:19,869 --> 00:51:20,785 I want no one to forget the fact that 873 00:51:20,995 --> 00:51:22,996 Robert Barto wakes up every morning, 874 00:51:23,205 --> 00:51:27,876 and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon. 875 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,295 Worked extraordinarily hard, 876 00:51:30,546 --> 00:51:32,714 she was very facile with trace evidence, 877 00:51:32,923 --> 00:51:34,966 hair, fiber, and the like. 878 00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:38,762 She was up to speed on DNA. 879 00:51:39,555 --> 00:51:41,931 She was one of our best trial lawyers. 880 00:51:42,183 --> 00:51:43,308 I think that with all the questions 881 00:51:43,517 --> 00:51:44,225 that we've been getting about the 882 00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:45,852 public sympathy for Mr. Simpson, 883 00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:47,187 we should not forget the fact that 884 00:51:47,396 --> 00:51:50,732 we have two victims, that were brutally slain. 885 00:51:50,983 --> 00:51:52,067 I have to say, it never mattered to me 886 00:51:52,276 --> 00:51:54,986 who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it. 887 00:51:55,196 --> 00:51:56,905 Whether they're famous, whether they're not famous. 888 00:51:57,114 --> 00:51:59,783 They all get the same treatment. 889 00:52:00,659 --> 00:52:06,581 You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson. 890 00:52:07,374 --> 00:52:09,876 (camera clicks) 891 00:52:13,422 --> 00:52:16,549 (cell doors shutting) 892 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,181 I believed he was innocent. 893 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:25,934 I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible 894 00:52:26,185 --> 00:52:28,353 that my friend could do this. 895 00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:33,942 I snuck into the jail to see him and 896 00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:37,153 there's this guy that was my buddy and 897 00:52:39,115 --> 00:52:40,615 he looked emaciated, 898 00:52:41,951 --> 00:52:43,868 he was in an orange jumpsuit, 899 00:52:44,078 --> 00:52:47,789 and he was shackled to the desk in front of me. 900 00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:55,463 Then he looked at me on the other side of plexiglasses, 901 00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:58,049 close as he could be, and he said, 902 00:52:58,259 --> 00:53:01,219 "I swear to God, I didn't do this." 903 00:53:01,428 --> 00:53:02,512 I believed him. 904 00:53:05,099 --> 00:53:07,016 He asked me if I would kind of be the 905 00:53:07,268 --> 00:53:08,852 chronicler of the whole thing. 906 00:53:09,103 --> 00:53:12,105 Would I write a book about the whole thing. 907 00:53:12,314 --> 00:53:14,190 I backed away from that. 908 00:53:15,484 --> 00:53:19,028 Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism, 909 00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:20,655 I'm sitting with OJ 910 00:53:22,158 --> 00:53:24,993 and Lyle Menendez walks behind him. 911 00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:27,871 And I just went, shit, this is more 912 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,915 than my little pea brain can handle. 913 00:53:32,585 --> 00:53:35,170 (dramatic music) 914 00:53:58,694 --> 00:54:03,072 Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight. 915 00:54:03,282 --> 00:54:05,074 His attorney says he spoke to him today 916 00:54:05,284 --> 00:54:07,869 and that Simpson was in tears. 917 00:54:08,078 --> 00:54:09,454 Al Cowlings, was himself, arrested 918 00:54:09,705 --> 00:54:11,873 on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive. 919 00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:13,416 Get away from my fucking house. 920 00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,668 Simpson, had $10,000 in cash 921 00:54:15,878 --> 00:54:18,046 and a passport at that point. 922 00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:19,589 I love OJ 923 00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:20,924 no matter what happens. 924 00:54:21,133 --> 00:54:22,926 The murder with special circumstances, 925 00:54:23,135 --> 00:54:24,594 death penalty charges... 926 00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:27,305 The final DNA tests are positive for 927 00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,891 intents and purposes, OJ Simpson really 928 00:54:30,142 --> 00:54:31,935 has no option but to admit that he killed. 929 00:54:32,186 --> 00:54:32,852 The man who will lead the prosecution 930 00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:34,604 of the case, against OJ Simpson, 931 00:54:34,813 --> 00:54:36,689 is Los Angeles District Attorney, Gil Garcetti. 932 00:54:36,899 --> 00:54:38,608 You said earlier, "It's not going 933 00:54:38,817 --> 00:54:41,402 to shock me if we see OJ Simpson 934 00:54:41,612 --> 00:54:42,946 sometime down the road say okay 935 00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,115 I did do it but I'm not responsible." 936 00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:47,450 That certainly sounded, to me, 937 00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:48,993 like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case. 938 00:54:49,203 --> 00:54:50,662 I am comfortable with the case, 939 00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:52,330 I don't mean to speculate as to what 940 00:54:52,581 --> 00:54:53,706 the defense is going to be but I 941 00:54:53,916 --> 00:54:54,958 have been a prosecutor for 25 years 942 00:54:55,167 --> 00:54:58,211 The evidence was so overwhelming, 943 00:54:58,462 --> 00:55:00,255 there was just no doubt. 944 00:55:02,883 --> 00:55:04,342 A blood trail that led from Bundy 945 00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:06,886 all the way into his bedroom. 946 00:55:08,264 --> 00:55:09,722 I don't think I'd ever seen that much 947 00:55:09,932 --> 00:55:12,475 evidence in any single case ever. 948 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:18,982 When you couple that with evidence of motivation, 949 00:55:19,191 --> 00:55:22,151 and that was the history of domestic violence, 950 00:55:22,361 --> 00:55:23,820 with Simpson physically and 951 00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:26,948 psychologically abusing Nicole Brown. 952 00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:28,825 This is my woman. 953 00:55:29,034 --> 00:55:30,118 This was a domestic violence case 954 00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:32,120 that culminated in murder. 955 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:33,246 End of story. 956 00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:37,333 Both sides are going to try 957 00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:38,668 to place the publicity their way 958 00:55:38,877 --> 00:55:41,671 but because this is a major celebrity, 959 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,131 probably this is the most famous 960 00:55:43,382 --> 00:55:45,550 American ever charged with murder, 961 00:55:45,759 --> 00:55:48,344 there will not business as usual. 962 00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:53,850 My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz, 963 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:58,021 was part of what would later become known as the dream team, 964 00:55:58,230 --> 00:56:00,189 OJ Simpson's lawyers. 965 00:56:00,399 --> 00:56:01,566 So, I called up Alan, and I said, 966 00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:03,359 "You know, what do you think of this case?" 967 00:56:03,569 --> 00:56:06,946 And he said, "I don't know, 968 00:56:07,156 --> 00:56:10,908 but you ought to look into this guy, this cop. 969 00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:15,913 Mark Fuhrman, there's something bad about him." 970 00:56:17,791 --> 00:56:19,334 I first met Mark during the 971 00:56:19,585 --> 00:56:22,086 execution of a second search warrant. 972 00:56:22,296 --> 00:56:25,173 I was impressed, he seemed to have an eye for detail. 973 00:56:25,424 --> 00:56:27,550 Some of his investigative moves, 974 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,469 particularly going up to Rockingham, 975 00:56:29,678 --> 00:56:33,431 struck me as this is a smart detective. 976 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,061 Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N 977 00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:39,395 When he testified at the preliminary hearing, 978 00:56:39,605 --> 00:56:41,439 he did a really good job. 979 00:56:41,648 --> 00:56:43,066 Blood to the left of the footprint 980 00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:45,610 would indicate that the person that left 981 00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,696 the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body. 982 00:56:48,947 --> 00:56:50,823 And the spot on the Bronco 983 00:56:51,033 --> 00:56:53,409 could coincide with that injury. 984 00:56:55,162 --> 00:56:56,788 He was on top of his game. 985 00:56:56,955 --> 00:56:59,165 His memory of the search of 986 00:56:59,375 --> 00:57:01,125 Rockingham was the primary thing. 987 00:57:01,335 --> 00:57:04,295 And it was detailed and consistent. 988 00:57:04,546 --> 00:57:06,923 And why was it that you did not secure the residence 989 00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:10,760 for a search warrant before finding the glove. 990 00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:14,097 This is not a situation where we 991 00:57:14,348 --> 00:57:15,723 had the time to stand out in the 992 00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:19,227 street and just wait and wonder. 993 00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,229 We had to do something. 994 00:57:23,315 --> 00:57:27,068 I thought maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong. 995 00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:28,903 Maybe, he's been sued. 996 00:57:32,491 --> 00:57:35,410 There was this dungeon-like basement 997 00:57:36,578 --> 00:57:38,579 in downtown Los Angeles with all 998 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:41,165 the records of civil court filings. 999 00:57:41,375 --> 00:57:42,917 And I started burrowing through these 1000 00:57:43,127 --> 00:57:47,547 records looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant. 1001 00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:49,799 And that's not what I found. 1002 00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:54,053 I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff. 1003 00:57:55,472 --> 00:58:00,435 He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board 1004 00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:05,565 asking to be relieved as a police officer 1005 00:58:05,774 --> 00:58:09,485 and get a pension because his mind 1006 00:58:09,695 --> 00:58:13,239 was so poisoned by hatred of black people. 1007 00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:20,288 And I thought to myself, now that's a story. 1008 00:58:25,085 --> 00:58:28,671 I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office. 1009 00:58:28,881 --> 00:58:32,341 And I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file 1010 00:58:32,551 --> 00:58:35,094 and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there." 1011 00:58:35,345 --> 00:58:37,013 And I remember, to this day, he sort 1012 00:58:37,264 --> 00:58:38,264 of rocked back in his chair. 1013 00:58:38,474 --> 00:58:39,307 He said, "You saw that?" 1014 00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:40,433 I said, "Yeah." 1015 00:58:40,642 --> 00:58:42,185 He said, "You think that's bad, 1016 00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:45,104 we think he planted the glove." 1017 00:58:45,314 --> 00:58:47,690 (camera clicks) 1018 00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:51,944 Fuhrman, according to this article 1019 00:58:52,154 --> 00:58:54,780 had used a lot of racial epithets. 1020 00:58:56,074 --> 00:58:58,409 Having that out there, 1021 00:58:58,619 --> 00:59:00,453 really brought home the fact that we've got a 1022 00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:04,248 dynamic here we're gonna have to deal with. 1023 00:59:05,626 --> 00:59:09,295 They found a flaw in me, and then they made up a nexus, 1024 00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:12,465 a connection to the flaw to the case. 1025 00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:20,139 I mean, I had a bad couple years 1026 00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:25,728 but I came out 1027 00:59:27,314 --> 00:59:29,357 better, I came out of it. 1028 00:59:33,403 --> 00:59:34,570 It is what it is. 1029 00:59:36,782 --> 00:59:39,242 That article came out at just 1030 00:59:39,451 --> 00:59:40,660 about the same time, Johnnie Cochran 1031 00:59:40,869 --> 00:59:43,329 was coming aboard the defense team. 1032 00:59:43,539 --> 00:59:45,540 And my thought at the time was, 1033 00:59:45,749 --> 00:59:48,292 here comes the race card. 1034 00:59:48,544 --> 00:59:51,045 (gospel music) 1035 00:59:57,094 --> 00:59:58,970 My name is Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. 1036 00:59:59,179 --> 01:00:01,264 I am primarily a civil rights lawyer. 1037 01:00:01,473 --> 01:00:02,640 And I represent a number of clients 1038 01:00:02,849 --> 01:00:06,227 who have had their civil rights abridged. 1039 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:11,232 He and his firm were central players in this story 1040 01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:14,277 of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles. 1041 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,862 Growing up in America, 1042 01:00:17,072 --> 01:00:18,823 any African American will tell you that, 1043 01:00:19,032 --> 01:00:21,242 we know we have to run faster, 1044 01:00:21,451 --> 01:00:23,661 jump higher, work harder, 1045 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:25,413 to do the same that anyone else has to do. 1046 01:00:25,664 --> 01:00:26,706 (applause) 1047 01:00:26,957 --> 01:00:30,334 Johnnie Cochran was always the icon to young 1048 01:00:30,586 --> 01:00:34,839 black, brown, and oppressed people in Los Angeles 1049 01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:37,717 because Johnnie was that young 1050 01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:40,970 dashing lawyer who took on the police. 1051 01:00:42,514 --> 01:00:45,308 Johnnie Cochran made his name 1052 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:49,478 as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case. 1053 01:00:49,688 --> 01:00:51,480 The latest explosion of violence in Watts 1054 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,774 really began here 11 days ago. 1055 01:00:54,026 --> 01:00:55,484 A negro motorist driving down here 1056 01:00:55,694 --> 01:00:57,236 was rushing his wife to the hospital, 1057 01:00:57,446 --> 01:00:58,946 she was having labor pains, 1058 01:00:59,156 --> 01:01:01,782 they were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman. 1059 01:01:01,992 --> 01:01:06,621 One policeman got out and came around to my side 1060 01:01:06,830 --> 01:01:07,997 and my husband leaned over me 1061 01:01:08,206 --> 01:01:09,248 and asked him if he would 1062 01:01:09,458 --> 01:01:12,752 lead him out to the hospital to care of me. 1063 01:01:15,172 --> 01:01:19,342 And then he, he didn't say anything, and he shot him. 1064 01:01:21,887 --> 01:01:24,680 And he fell over me. 1065 01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:28,893 (dramatic music) 1066 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,064 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1067 01:01:33,273 --> 01:01:35,608 did you get inside the Deadwyler car 1068 01:01:35,817 --> 01:01:38,486 with the upper part of your body voluntarily? 1069 01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:39,320 Yes sir. 1070 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:41,947 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1071 01:01:42,157 --> 01:01:45,826 did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car? 1072 01:01:46,036 --> 01:01:47,244 No, sir, I did not. 1073 01:01:47,454 --> 01:01:48,871 Mr. Cochran wants to know, 1074 01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:50,456 that became the catchphrase because 1075 01:01:50,707 --> 01:01:53,876 the lawyer, himself, could not ask the questions. 1076 01:01:54,086 --> 01:01:57,296 He had to go through the county council. 1077 01:01:57,547 --> 01:01:58,756 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1078 01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:00,049 if you been trained to keep your 1079 01:02:00,258 --> 01:02:01,425 weapon away from a suspect? 1080 01:02:01,635 --> 01:02:03,469 Yes, sir. 1081 01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:06,972 Johnnie was like 27, 28 years old then. 1082 01:02:07,224 --> 01:02:09,392 He was a young whippersnapper. 1083 01:02:10,602 --> 01:02:12,144 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1084 01:02:12,354 --> 01:02:14,271 while you were at the Los Angeles police academy, 1085 01:02:14,481 --> 01:02:16,565 did they train you to put your 1086 01:02:16,775 --> 01:02:19,694 upper part of your body inside a car? 1087 01:02:21,154 --> 01:02:23,489 Not specifically that, no. 1088 01:02:31,373 --> 01:02:34,208 Because it was a televised trial, 1089 01:02:35,836 --> 01:02:37,503 he became a hero to everybody 1090 01:02:37,713 --> 01:02:40,339 in to the South Central community. 1091 01:02:43,635 --> 01:02:48,305 Few people had higher standing, deeper standing. 1092 01:02:48,515 --> 01:02:52,852 Johnnie was always that stalwart defender of justice, 1093 01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:56,230 fighting against the bastille. 1094 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,398 Each of the defendants across the board 1095 01:02:57,607 --> 01:02:58,524 were found not guilty of the 1096 01:02:58,734 --> 01:03:00,776 assaults on the police officers. 1097 01:03:01,027 --> 01:03:03,529 Mr. Settles was beaten, the booking photos show that. 1098 01:03:03,739 --> 01:03:05,614 I want to know if they had anything to do with his death. 1099 01:03:05,866 --> 01:03:07,742 I want to know, whether or not, he hung himself 1100 01:03:07,951 --> 01:03:09,827 or whether or not he was hung. 1101 01:03:10,036 --> 01:03:11,203 The only version that you heard 1102 01:03:11,413 --> 01:03:13,038 of what transpired was what the 1103 01:03:13,248 --> 01:03:15,708 police officers told you, isn't that correct? 1104 01:03:15,917 --> 01:03:17,126 (dramatic music) 1105 01:03:17,335 --> 01:03:18,043 It's not that Johnnie was the 1106 01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:19,545 only good lawyer for OJ Simpson 1107 01:03:19,755 --> 01:03:21,505 but I would say that he and his firm 1108 01:03:21,715 --> 01:03:24,759 were the only lawyers who would really understand 1109 01:03:24,968 --> 01:03:27,011 and argue this case in the context of 1110 01:03:27,262 --> 01:03:31,348 the LAPD's relationship to African Americans. 1111 01:03:31,558 --> 01:03:34,477 Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial, you bet. 1112 01:03:34,686 --> 01:03:36,437 Michael Jackson has maintained 1113 01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,564 his innocence from the beginning of this matter. 1114 01:03:38,774 --> 01:03:42,276 He still, maintains that innocence. 1115 01:03:42,486 --> 01:03:45,988 He was a big character, he was flamboyant. 1116 01:03:46,198 --> 01:03:48,032 -I love you. -Hi Johnnie. 1117 01:03:49,576 --> 01:03:51,035 We were talking about different styles of lawyering 1118 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:52,244 and how you make a case to jury 1119 01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:53,621 and one of the things he said 1120 01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:55,206 about predominately African American juries, 1121 01:03:55,415 --> 01:03:57,291 he goes "Jimmy," which is what he used to call me, 1122 01:03:57,542 --> 01:03:58,667 he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big." 1123 01:03:58,877 --> 01:03:59,418 (laughing) 1124 01:03:59,628 --> 01:04:01,420 And he liked to be big. 1125 01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:08,552 (drums playing) 1126 01:04:16,728 --> 01:04:20,606 My daughter was in the Watts parade and 1127 01:04:20,816 --> 01:04:23,734 Johnnie Cochran was the grand marshal. 1128 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:29,698 He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial." 1129 01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:34,829 I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me, 1130 01:04:36,581 --> 01:04:38,123 I said, well Johnnie wants me to come, and 1131 01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:40,459 he asked me to come, so I'm coming down here. 1132 01:04:40,669 --> 01:04:43,462 I'm gonna find a way to get here every day. 1133 01:04:43,672 --> 01:04:46,882 (dramatic music) 1134 01:04:47,092 --> 01:04:49,885 OJ Simpson is about to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom. 1135 01:04:50,095 --> 01:04:51,345 He's going to enter a plea, 1136 01:04:51,555 --> 01:04:53,264 a date for trial is going to be set, 1137 01:04:53,473 --> 01:04:57,685 and a judge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed. 1138 01:04:57,894 --> 01:05:02,314 This is the time set for the arraignment of Mr. Simpson. 1139 01:05:02,524 --> 01:05:05,943 Mr. Simpson you are charged with the crime of murder. 1140 01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:07,653 Are you ready to enter a plea at this time? 1141 01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:08,988 Yes, your honor. 1142 01:05:09,197 --> 01:05:11,407 How do you plea to counts one and two? 1143 01:05:11,616 --> 01:05:14,910 Absolutely 100% not guilty. 1144 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,706 That's what I want to hear, you're not guilty. 1145 01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:20,082 He was back on his feet and ready 1146 01:05:20,292 --> 01:05:22,585 to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused. 1147 01:05:22,794 --> 01:05:25,087 And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit. 1148 01:05:25,297 --> 01:05:26,755 Thank you, you may be seated. 1149 01:05:26,965 --> 01:05:29,341 But he sold it. 1150 01:05:30,385 --> 01:05:31,635 I gave him a thumbs up. 1151 01:05:31,845 --> 01:05:35,347 And he looked over at me and he waved at me. 1152 01:05:35,557 --> 01:05:37,516 He was very good looking. 1153 01:05:38,852 --> 01:05:41,520 And that day he was really good looking. 1154 01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:43,439 (laughing) 1155 01:05:43,648 --> 01:05:46,066 I may not have thought he was a big celebrity but it 1156 01:05:46,276 --> 01:05:49,820 became really clear to me super fast that he was to others. 1157 01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:52,156 OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy, 1158 01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:55,117 football, and great actor. 1159 01:05:55,327 --> 01:05:57,786 OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college. 1160 01:05:57,996 --> 01:06:00,581 I think he's a great man and a a great hero, 1161 01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:03,042 and has touched a lot of lives. 1162 01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:05,878 I don't think he did it, 1163 01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:08,881 doesn't seem like that kind of person. 1164 01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:12,760 I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito. 1165 01:06:12,969 --> 01:06:15,679 Judge Ito is an acceptable fashion. 1166 01:06:17,641 --> 01:06:19,600 Judge Ito will be accepted for the people as well. 1167 01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:24,063 Very well, thank you, then that is the assignment. 1168 01:06:24,272 --> 01:06:26,690 Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system. 1169 01:06:26,942 --> 01:06:28,609 To see if it really works. 1170 01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:32,112 For someone with some money, a celebrity. 1171 01:06:33,406 --> 01:06:37,117 A well loved, respected, cherished type of man. 1172 01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:42,414 Now, let's see if justice can work for him. 1173 01:06:49,172 --> 01:06:51,799 (dramatic music) 1174 01:06:59,182 --> 01:07:01,183 There's nothing more important 1175 01:07:01,393 --> 01:07:05,396 during a jury trial, than the selection of your jury. 1176 01:07:08,483 --> 01:07:11,944 You can win or lose you case right there. 1177 01:07:12,988 --> 01:07:16,031 The issue of where to conduct the trial, 1178 01:07:16,241 --> 01:07:20,285 the Santa Monica court house, largely white jury pool. 1179 01:07:21,955 --> 01:07:24,999 Downtown LA, largely black jury pool. 1180 01:07:26,292 --> 01:07:27,668 Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said, 1181 01:07:27,877 --> 01:07:30,963 "Well it just logistically had to be downtown." 1182 01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:32,673 A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti, 1183 01:07:32,882 --> 01:07:36,468 elected official, needed to protect 1184 01:07:36,678 --> 01:07:39,304 his reputation in the black community, 1185 01:07:39,514 --> 01:07:43,308 a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown. 1186 01:07:43,518 --> 01:07:46,061 I'm confident that we can, indeed, 1187 01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:49,898 find white, black, brown, every color juror 1188 01:07:50,108 --> 01:07:54,903 there is, who will, indeed, be fair and impartial. 1189 01:07:55,113 --> 01:07:58,907 I think it would have been societally better, 1190 01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:03,620 from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown. 1191 01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:05,748 And to not be accused of having stacked this, 1192 01:08:05,957 --> 01:08:07,750 in such a way that whites were to 1193 01:08:07,959 --> 01:08:10,669 stand in judgment of black men. 1194 01:08:13,131 --> 01:08:14,548 If you have a juror who believes 1195 01:08:14,758 --> 01:08:18,927 police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape. 1196 01:08:19,137 --> 01:08:21,597 Certainly, you can find most people, 1197 01:08:21,806 --> 01:08:23,932 want to believe their police officers are 1198 01:08:24,184 --> 01:08:25,309 fair and want to do their job and so 1199 01:08:25,518 --> 01:08:27,895 that's a given, you start with that, 1200 01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:29,229 but you've got to find that person who 1201 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:30,939 understands that in the real world 1202 01:08:31,149 --> 01:08:33,942 that doesn't happen all the time. 1203 01:08:36,905 --> 01:08:40,240 We interviewed over 5000 people in Los Angeles 1204 01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:42,785 in preparation for the OJ Simpson trial. 1205 01:08:42,994 --> 01:08:45,913 The conclusions were that 1206 01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:48,874 just presenting the straight up evidence, 1207 01:08:49,084 --> 01:08:51,001 you weren't going to get a lot of 1208 01:08:51,211 --> 01:08:54,963 sympathetic African American females, 1209 01:08:55,173 --> 01:08:57,883 many harbored a resentment that this 1210 01:08:58,093 --> 01:09:00,427 famous athlete, this charming guy, 1211 01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:02,763 had a married a white, blonde woman 1212 01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:06,475 rather than someone from his own community. 1213 01:09:06,684 --> 01:09:10,813 But the antagonism was to her and not him. 1214 01:09:11,064 --> 01:09:13,524 OJ you look gorgeous right now. 1215 01:09:14,984 --> 01:09:17,444 How come you're so loyal to this man 1216 01:09:17,654 --> 01:09:20,280 who married a white woman? 1217 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:24,535 And was dating her while he was married to a black woman. 1218 01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:27,913 I mean, doesn't any of this make 1219 01:09:28,123 --> 01:09:31,125 you feel a little less defensive of him. 1220 01:09:32,043 --> 01:09:34,336 Marcia Clark had this 1221 01:09:34,587 --> 01:09:37,881 faith about her ability to connect 1222 01:09:38,091 --> 01:09:40,384 with African American woman. 1223 01:09:41,886 --> 01:09:43,095 African American women had been some 1224 01:09:43,346 --> 01:09:45,264 of my best jurors on previous cases. 1225 01:09:45,473 --> 01:09:48,142 Even when the defendant was an African American. 1226 01:09:48,351 --> 01:09:50,060 There was just a way, an easy way I had, 1227 01:09:50,270 --> 01:09:52,396 that I could talk to them. 1228 01:09:52,605 --> 01:09:53,814 Now, we will show you the other side 1229 01:09:54,065 --> 01:09:56,233 of the smiling face that you saw on the Hertz commercial. 1230 01:09:56,442 --> 01:09:58,861 We had trial simulations 1231 01:09:59,070 --> 01:10:00,696 The one you never saw on camera. 1232 01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:04,950 Marcia was not received positively. 1233 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,620 Marcia Clark, every black woman, bitch. 1234 01:10:11,791 --> 01:10:12,916 When they had the mock jury, 1235 01:10:13,126 --> 01:10:14,626 the mock trial, and some of the comments 1236 01:10:14,836 --> 01:10:16,336 came back about you, about maybe being 1237 01:10:16,588 --> 01:10:17,838 really hard or tough, what did you 1238 01:10:18,047 --> 01:10:19,756 think when you heard some of that. 1239 01:10:19,966 --> 01:10:23,051 I was very surprised, the balance of them 1240 01:10:23,303 --> 01:10:25,971 said good things, so, you know, the media 1241 01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:28,265 takes one kernel and blows it up into 1242 01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:30,184 a huge bowl of popcorn. 1243 01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:33,854 Marcia tended to discount the 1244 01:10:34,105 --> 01:10:36,064 fact that black women jurors didn't 1245 01:10:36,274 --> 01:10:39,067 seem to appreciate her very much. 1246 01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,945 I had no illusions about what 1247 01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:44,281 I was going to be up against. 1248 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:45,699 The odds were stacked against us 1249 01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,159 in terms of the African American jurors 1250 01:10:47,368 --> 01:10:50,162 because that's what the polls showed. 1251 01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:51,413 A California poll, released 1252 01:10:51,664 --> 01:10:53,999 today, found that only 10% of blacks, 1253 01:10:54,209 --> 01:10:55,959 who were surveyed, believed it is very 1254 01:10:56,211 --> 01:10:58,086 likely that Simpson was guilty. 1255 01:11:00,089 --> 01:11:03,091 The ideal juror would have been 1256 01:11:03,343 --> 01:11:05,886 younger, i.e. someone not familiar 1257 01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:09,181 with Simpson at the high of his fame, 1258 01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:11,350 Asian, or probably white. 1259 01:11:13,770 --> 01:11:15,562 All we want, just give me, 1260 01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:20,359 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors 1261 01:11:20,568 --> 01:11:22,194 who are going to follow the law 1262 01:11:22,403 --> 01:11:25,030 and put aside their personal feelings 1263 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,867 and do what the court and the law requires. 1264 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:37,709 In Los Angeles today, the judge and lawyers 1265 01:11:37,919 --> 01:11:39,503 in the OJ Simpson murder trial began 1266 01:11:39,712 --> 01:11:43,173 interviewing prospective jurors face to face. 1267 01:11:49,514 --> 01:11:51,765 Just to set the scene for you, 1268 01:11:51,975 --> 01:11:53,642 when all the jurors walk in, 1269 01:11:53,851 --> 01:11:57,229 all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line, 1270 01:11:57,438 --> 01:12:00,107 and several times during the proceedings, 1271 01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:02,484 OJ Simpson would turn and seem to 1272 01:12:02,694 --> 01:12:04,069 make eye contact with people, 1273 01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:08,156 and occasionally smile at people in the audience. 1274 01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:39,813 The quest for impartial jurors has 1275 01:12:40,064 --> 01:12:43,066 been going on now for more than a month. 1276 01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:50,949 They called me to the chair. 1277 01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:54,995 When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down. 1278 01:12:55,204 --> 01:12:57,289 Because I felt like it was going to be that quick. 1279 01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:59,124 They were going to say, you're excused. 1280 01:12:59,334 --> 01:13:00,208 I'm looking at the list, 1281 01:13:00,418 --> 01:13:01,877 I know what's coming up. 1282 01:13:02,086 --> 01:13:03,003 I know who's left behind me. 1283 01:13:03,212 --> 01:13:04,379 I know what I've got in the box. 1284 01:13:04,589 --> 01:13:05,714 I have to look and see, 1285 01:13:05,923 --> 01:13:08,050 am I going to do better or worse. 1286 01:13:08,259 --> 01:13:11,011 There was a process, of what I have labeled 1287 01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:12,721 as reverse Darwinism, 1288 01:13:14,349 --> 01:13:17,351 I call it the survival of the most unfit jurors. 1289 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:18,393 Many it seems want to watch, 1290 01:13:18,603 --> 01:13:21,188 but fewer wish to serve. 1291 01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:23,523 91 of 219 people summoned for 1292 01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:25,650 Simpson jury duty, said in a questionnaire, 1293 01:13:25,902 --> 01:13:29,946 a likely 6 month trial would be too great a hardship. 1294 01:13:33,493 --> 01:13:35,827 I think it's the only way, to assure 1295 01:13:36,037 --> 01:13:41,666 that we are going to have a fair trial for both sides. 1296 01:13:43,002 --> 01:13:47,255 Jurors who were available for six months 1297 01:13:47,507 --> 01:13:53,303 skewed heavily towards a lower socioeconomic 1298 01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:59,518 strata of jurors and a much more diverse jury pool. 1299 01:13:59,727 --> 01:14:01,269 A lot of smart jurors who might have been 1300 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,524 open to DNA scientific evidence simply went by the wayside. 1301 01:14:07,485 --> 01:14:10,987 We didn't have many of our type of juror. 1302 01:14:12,698 --> 01:14:14,282 I thought, okay, I better quit while I'm behind 1303 01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,701 and not get further behind because it was 1304 01:14:16,911 --> 01:14:19,830 only going to go downhill from there. 1305 01:14:21,332 --> 01:14:22,666 They said, "Your Honor we accept," 1306 01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:27,003 and at that point, I sunk in my chair. 1307 01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:29,089 I was stunned. 1308 01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:34,177 Oh my God, oh my God, and I told my daughter, 1309 01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:38,723 and she said, "Oh Mother, oh my God." 1310 01:14:41,394 --> 01:14:44,354 And my son, he said, "Oh my God, Mother." 1311 01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:49,776 And that was it. 1312 01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:54,072 In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot. 1313 01:14:56,409 --> 01:14:59,453 We wound up with eight African American women, 1314 01:14:59,704 --> 01:15:02,247 I thought, you know it will be an uphill battle 1315 01:15:02,457 --> 01:15:04,082 but I think they'll listen. 1316 01:15:04,292 --> 01:15:06,835 Thrilled, we're thrilled. 1317 01:15:07,044 --> 01:15:09,254 We were so stunned 1318 01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:13,300 that we had such a large collection of favorable jurors. 1319 01:15:14,552 --> 01:15:18,472 75% of the actual jurors believed 1320 01:15:19,432 --> 01:15:21,725 that he could not have committed these murders 1321 01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:25,312 because he excelled at football at USC. 1322 01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:26,563 The only thing that could get you 1323 01:15:26,772 --> 01:15:27,981 through some times is that guys 1324 01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:30,400 look at each other and say, hey man, we are SC. 1325 01:15:30,610 --> 01:15:32,944 (laughing) 1326 01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:36,114 We were about to walk in to 1327 01:15:36,324 --> 01:15:38,408 the lockup from the court room. 1328 01:15:38,618 --> 01:15:41,828 OJ looked back one last time, 1329 01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:43,163 it was me, Johnnie, we were going 1330 01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:44,956 back to talk about everything 1331 01:15:45,166 --> 01:15:48,710 and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury 1332 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,339 convicts me, maybe I did do it." 1333 01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:04,434 (birds chirping) 1334 01:16:05,478 --> 01:16:08,271 (orchestral music) 1335 01:16:16,989 --> 01:16:21,076 It has taken seven months to reach this point. 1336 01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:24,704 We are, and I think the client, 1337 01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:26,998 is really, really pleased, that we 1338 01:16:27,208 --> 01:16:31,211 can have someone stand up and speak to the triers of fact. 1339 01:16:32,505 --> 01:16:35,131 Time to stop posturing. 1340 01:16:35,383 --> 01:16:36,383 Let's go to trial. 1341 01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:39,344 Have a good one everybody. 1342 01:16:39,554 --> 01:16:44,474 Five, four, three, two, one 1343 01:16:49,146 --> 01:16:52,607 Council and the audience please be seated. 1344 01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,403 Alright, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr. Cochran? 1345 01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:57,362 We are, your Honor. 1346 01:16:57,572 --> 01:16:58,280 Ms. Clark? 1347 01:16:58,489 --> 01:16:59,447 Yes, we are, your Honor. 1348 01:16:59,657 --> 01:17:00,365 Alright, do the people wish 1349 01:17:00,575 --> 01:17:01,241 to make an opening statement? 1350 01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:03,034 Yes we do. 1351 01:17:03,244 --> 01:17:04,286 Alright, you may proceed. 1352 01:17:04,495 --> 01:17:06,454 Mr. Darden, thank you. 1353 01:17:08,416 --> 01:17:10,292 When we started off, 1354 01:17:10,543 --> 01:17:14,421 the prosecution had their team of lawyers. 1355 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:17,924 Your Honor Judge Ito, Mr. Cochran, 1356 01:17:18,134 --> 01:17:20,510 Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman. 1357 01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,680 And here's this new face at the table. 1358 01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:25,640 And to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1359 01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:27,517 Good morning. 1360 01:17:27,727 --> 01:17:30,312 And I'm like, why did they bring him here? 1361 01:17:30,521 --> 01:17:31,271 And we're here today, 1362 01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,733 obviously, to resolve an issue, 1363 01:17:34,942 --> 01:17:36,109 to settle a question, 1364 01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:38,278 a question that has been on the minds of 1365 01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:41,489 people throughout the country these last seven months. 1366 01:17:41,699 --> 01:17:42,824 Certainly has been on the mind 1367 01:17:43,034 --> 01:17:44,326 of my people up in Richmond, California 1368 01:17:44,535 --> 01:17:46,494 and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia 1369 01:17:46,746 --> 01:17:47,537 and all across the country and 1370 01:17:47,747 --> 01:17:50,624 everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson 1371 01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:54,044 really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman? 1372 01:17:56,339 --> 01:18:02,093 It was apparent to everyone in America, 1373 01:18:02,303 --> 01:18:04,512 why he was now on the case. 1374 01:18:06,265 --> 01:18:08,266 Well, certainly because he was black. 1375 01:18:08,476 --> 01:18:10,518 That was everybody- because he was a good lawyer. 1376 01:18:10,728 --> 01:18:12,312 He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team. 1377 01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:15,899 Strengthen the team up, that's the party line. 1378 01:18:17,568 --> 01:18:21,154 I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer. 1379 01:18:21,364 --> 01:18:23,865 Any questions for Chris? 1380 01:18:24,075 --> 01:18:25,492 He was young, he was learning. 1381 01:18:25,743 --> 01:18:27,160 Come on, man, come on. 1382 01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:30,372 Look at this guy, come on, we have to drag him over. 1383 01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:32,374 But he was very good. 1384 01:18:33,751 --> 01:18:36,544 There was a little bit of cockiness. 1385 01:18:36,754 --> 01:18:39,923 But it was not an offensive cockiness. 1386 01:18:40,132 --> 01:18:41,299 I don't care what anybody says, 1387 01:18:41,509 --> 01:18:42,759 I dress much better than Johnnie Cochran. 1388 01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:44,094 (laughing) 1389 01:18:44,345 --> 01:18:46,388 Johnnie, I'm going to introduce you to my, 1390 01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:49,808 well I'm gonna show you the rack where I buy my suits. 1391 01:18:50,017 --> 01:18:50,892 He had a pretty good reputation 1392 01:18:51,143 --> 01:18:53,520 as someone who can build a case. 1393 01:18:55,106 --> 01:18:59,526 And of course, most notably, Chris was black. 1394 01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:05,407 And Marcia and I were not. 1395 01:19:07,868 --> 01:19:10,620 You hear a lot about this talk about justice. 1396 01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:12,414 I guess, Dr. Martin Luther King said it best, 1397 01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:14,874 when he said that, injustice anywhere 1398 01:19:15,084 --> 01:19:17,585 is a threat to justice everywhere. 1399 01:19:17,795 --> 01:19:21,631 So, we are now, embarked upon this search for justice. 1400 01:19:23,134 --> 01:19:25,927 I have to tell you personally, for all the cases 1401 01:19:26,137 --> 01:19:28,763 I've tried, I never felt so white. 1402 01:19:30,099 --> 01:19:32,100 It seems to me that the fact that blood 1403 01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:35,687 mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence 1404 01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:40,483 and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA, 1405 01:19:40,693 --> 01:19:43,987 when that evidence is still in the police lab, 1406 01:19:44,196 --> 01:19:48,241 is devastating evidence of something far more sinister. 1407 01:19:49,618 --> 01:19:54,873 Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically, 1408 01:19:55,082 --> 01:19:59,961 in Los Angeles will resonate with diverse jurors, 1409 01:20:00,171 --> 01:20:02,547 who know about this history. 1410 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:07,469 You had to have someone to blame. 1411 01:20:09,263 --> 01:20:12,390 Detective Mark Fuhrman, now it's very interesting, 1412 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,518 that the prosecution never once 1413 01:20:15,728 --> 01:20:17,520 mentioned his name yesterday. 1414 01:20:17,730 --> 01:20:19,481 It's like they just want to hide him, 1415 01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:23,485 but they can't hide him, he's very much a part of this case. 1416 01:20:25,321 --> 01:20:29,115 Chris Darden saw that this case 1417 01:20:29,325 --> 01:20:35,163 was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD, 1418 01:20:37,625 --> 01:20:39,918 on the history of race in Los Angeles. 1419 01:20:41,462 --> 01:20:44,672 And Chris, he understood those issues. 1420 01:20:45,925 --> 01:20:49,677 He had worked in what was then our SID unit, 1421 01:20:49,887 --> 01:20:53,640 which investigated police abuse cases. 1422 01:20:54,683 --> 01:20:56,142 They obtained those warrants 1423 01:20:56,352 --> 01:20:59,646 simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations. 1424 01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:01,523 Any of the police officers that were 1425 01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:04,317 called to testify by us, lied on the stand, 1426 01:21:04,527 --> 01:21:07,695 it was obvious to everyone that they were lying. 1427 01:21:07,947 --> 01:21:13,701 Every black lawyer idolized Johnnie Cochran in 1994. 1428 01:21:14,745 --> 01:21:20,500 And I say, Chris Darden wanted to out-Johnnie, Johnnie. 1429 01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,254 He wanted to beat the man 1430 01:21:25,089 --> 01:21:29,175 on the biggest stage of his career. 1431 01:21:35,015 --> 01:21:36,474 Police detective Mark Fuhrman, 1432 01:21:36,684 --> 01:21:40,603 did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate? 1433 01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:42,730 Judge Lance Ito must soon decide 1434 01:21:42,982 --> 01:21:44,148 whether the jury gets to hear 1435 01:21:44,358 --> 01:21:47,652 about detective Fuhrman's checkered past. 1436 01:21:49,113 --> 01:21:51,990 We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness. 1437 01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:54,659 People had indicated that he had used racist language 1438 01:21:54,869 --> 01:21:58,371 in an offensive way, in a way that, I think, jurors 1439 01:21:58,622 --> 01:22:00,874 and everybody else would not like. 1440 01:22:01,083 --> 01:22:03,001 The N word, or any other racial epithet, 1441 01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:06,754 has an inflammatory effect, that is incomparable, 1442 01:22:06,964 --> 01:22:09,382 and to that specific issue, 1443 01:22:09,592 --> 01:22:11,509 Mr. Darden wishes to address the court, and 1444 01:22:11,719 --> 01:22:14,804 I think I'll conclude my comments at this time. 1445 01:22:15,014 --> 01:22:17,473 Mr. Darden, good morning. 1446 01:22:17,683 --> 01:22:20,268 Good morning, your Honor. 1447 01:22:20,477 --> 01:22:21,728 Your honor, I think the best indication 1448 01:22:21,937 --> 01:22:23,646 or evidence on just how inflammatory 1449 01:22:23,856 --> 01:22:26,441 the use of the word is, is the fact 1450 01:22:26,650 --> 01:22:28,860 that it appears that Mr. Cochran and I, 1451 01:22:29,069 --> 01:22:31,905 the only two black lead lawyers 1452 01:22:32,114 --> 01:22:33,823 on each side of the council table 1453 01:22:34,033 --> 01:22:35,700 are some how dragged into this issue, 1454 01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:38,036 to argue the issue to the court. 1455 01:22:38,245 --> 01:22:42,665 They used him to make the argument, 1456 01:22:42,875 --> 01:22:45,668 that an African American jury 1457 01:22:45,878 --> 01:22:49,505 can not listen to the utterance of that word 1458 01:22:49,715 --> 01:22:53,760 in some sort of dispassionate, objective way. 1459 01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:55,303 It blinds people. 1460 01:22:56,889 --> 01:22:57,805 It will blind the jury. 1461 01:22:58,015 --> 01:23:00,016 It will blind them to the truth. 1462 01:23:00,267 --> 01:23:03,686 They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not. 1463 01:23:03,896 --> 01:23:05,563 He hit the nail right on the head. 1464 01:23:05,773 --> 01:23:07,065 He said, if you do this, you know, 1465 01:23:07,274 --> 01:23:09,525 then that's all that this case is gonna be about. 1466 01:23:09,735 --> 01:23:12,987 All they'll think about is frame up, frame up, frame up. 1467 01:23:13,197 --> 01:23:14,322 All they do is mention the word, 1468 01:23:14,531 --> 01:23:16,741 say to Mark Fuhrman, hey did you ever 1469 01:23:16,951 --> 01:23:19,243 use that N word, and he'll say, "Yeah," and it's over. 1470 01:23:19,453 --> 01:23:21,746 He must have planted the glove. 1471 01:23:21,956 --> 01:23:24,707 I remember whispering to Johnnie, 1472 01:23:24,917 --> 01:23:26,042 is this nigger serious? 1473 01:23:26,251 --> 01:23:28,211 And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist 1474 01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:29,837 Is this nigger crazy? 1475 01:23:30,047 --> 01:23:31,172 He was suffering from stress and 1476 01:23:31,423 --> 01:23:32,507 it has to be stressful to be a 1477 01:23:32,716 --> 01:23:33,841 police officer in the city of LA, 1478 01:23:34,051 --> 01:23:35,093 geez the stuff that is going on 1479 01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:38,638 in this city in the last five to six years. 1480 01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:39,847 Is he serious? 1481 01:23:41,266 --> 01:23:43,768 Or is he just carrying the white man's bucket? 1482 01:23:43,978 --> 01:23:45,061 It will give them a test, and 1483 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:46,771 the test will be, who's side are you on? 1484 01:23:47,022 --> 01:23:49,399 The side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen 1485 01:23:49,608 --> 01:23:51,317 or on the side of the black defendant and 1486 01:23:51,527 --> 01:23:55,196 his very prominent and capable black lawyer. 1487 01:23:55,406 --> 01:23:57,699 That's what it's gonna do, either you're 1488 01:23:57,908 --> 01:24:01,244 with the man or you're with the brothers. 1489 01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:04,664 I must say, and this is one of those 1490 01:24:04,873 --> 01:24:06,624 sort of bracing moments, this is why you 1491 01:24:06,834 --> 01:24:08,793 need diversity in newsrooms, by the way, 1492 01:24:09,003 --> 01:24:10,128 is that I came out of there thinking 1493 01:24:10,337 --> 01:24:12,005 that Darden made a pretty good point. 1494 01:24:12,214 --> 01:24:13,673 That it's such a shocking word, 1495 01:24:13,882 --> 01:24:17,301 that I found myself flinching at the use of it. 1496 01:24:17,511 --> 01:24:18,845 My colleague, Andrea Ford, 1497 01:24:19,054 --> 01:24:21,681 an African American women, was outraged. 1498 01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:23,558 She felt it was really insulting 1499 01:24:23,767 --> 01:24:25,685 to blacks, to African Americans, 1500 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:26,811 to think they couldn't hear the word 1501 01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:29,772 and give it the proper weight. 1502 01:24:30,024 --> 01:24:32,900 And I remember thinking, after talking to Andrea, 1503 01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:35,695 wow, that didn't really occur to me. 1504 01:24:35,904 --> 01:24:37,947 It is a reminder, that who we are 1505 01:24:38,157 --> 01:24:40,825 and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things. 1506 01:24:41,035 --> 01:24:41,951 Thank you very much, Judge Ito. 1507 01:24:42,161 --> 01:24:44,078 I have a funeral to attend today but 1508 01:24:44,288 --> 01:24:47,373 I would be remiss were I not at this time 1509 01:24:47,583 --> 01:24:48,750 to take this opportunity to respond 1510 01:24:48,959 --> 01:24:51,586 to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden. 1511 01:24:51,795 --> 01:24:53,796 When Johnnie gets angry, which is very rare, 1512 01:24:54,006 --> 01:24:58,676 you know, he's remarkably articulate and good. 1513 01:24:58,886 --> 01:25:00,845 Johnnie got angry that day. 1514 01:25:01,055 --> 01:25:02,847 His remarks this morning 1515 01:25:03,057 --> 01:25:04,432 are perhaps the most incredible remarks 1516 01:25:04,641 --> 01:25:07,101 I've heard in the court of law 1517 01:25:07,311 --> 01:25:09,729 in the 32 years I've been practicing law. 1518 01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:14,817 His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group. 1519 01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:18,279 And so I want, before I go to this funeral, 1520 01:25:18,489 --> 01:25:21,908 to apologize to African Americans across this country. 1521 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:24,702 African Americans live with offensive words, 1522 01:25:24,912 --> 01:25:26,996 offensive looks, offensive treatment 1523 01:25:27,206 --> 01:25:29,082 every day of their lives. 1524 01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:35,088 To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous. 1525 01:25:35,297 --> 01:25:37,340 I am ashamed 1526 01:25:37,549 --> 01:25:39,717 that Mr. Darden would allow himself to 1527 01:25:39,927 --> 01:25:42,470 become an apologist for this man. 1528 01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:47,809 You can't justify that in a civilized society. 1529 01:25:48,018 --> 01:25:51,604 Nobody wants introduce race into this case, your honor. 1530 01:25:51,814 --> 01:25:52,772 Johnnie was dying to get the word 1531 01:25:53,023 --> 01:25:54,816 "nigger" in front of the jury. 1532 01:25:55,067 --> 01:25:57,652 He also did it in such a way 1533 01:25:57,903 --> 01:26:00,196 that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous. 1534 01:26:00,405 --> 01:26:01,948 To come here and testify as an expert to you 1535 01:26:02,157 --> 01:26:03,950 of what black people think in America. 1536 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,744 All across America, today, believe me 1537 01:26:06,954 --> 01:26:09,330 black people are offended at this very moment. 1538 01:26:09,581 --> 01:26:12,166 I think that Johnnie was rough on him. 1539 01:26:12,376 --> 01:26:14,085 I think it hurt his feelings. 1540 01:26:14,294 --> 01:26:15,461 A lot of people thought that Chris 1541 01:26:15,671 --> 01:26:18,256 would end up at the Cochran firm. 1542 01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:21,259 And, obviously, that didn't happen. 1543 01:26:22,553 --> 01:26:24,137 People had contempt for him because 1544 01:26:24,388 --> 01:26:28,307 they felt like he was a tool that was being used. 1545 01:26:29,393 --> 01:26:30,935 It's a time to not to do things that 1546 01:26:31,186 --> 01:26:34,063 it seems to me will last a person's entire career 1547 01:26:34,273 --> 01:26:37,775 such as insulting a whole race of people 1548 01:26:38,026 --> 01:26:40,027 who have meant so much to this country. 1549 01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:43,948 Let's be clear about this, the subtext 1550 01:26:44,158 --> 01:26:46,409 of everything that Johnnie Cochran said 1551 01:26:46,618 --> 01:26:49,203 about Chris Darden was, Uncle Tom. 1552 01:26:51,165 --> 01:26:53,791 And it was egregiously unfair. 1553 01:26:55,836 --> 01:26:57,545 Johnnie Cochran, among other things, 1554 01:26:57,754 --> 01:27:00,882 tried OJ was an African American defendant. 1555 01:27:01,091 --> 01:27:03,384 When OJ Simpson didn't really have 1556 01:27:03,594 --> 01:27:07,597 much of a reputation as an African American person, really. 1557 01:27:08,974 --> 01:27:10,141 I used to walk on the wild side, 1558 01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:12,685 now I just take a brisk walk. 1559 01:27:15,731 --> 01:27:17,940 This was not a person that you thought of as a, 1560 01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:21,694 kind of, iconic black figure in Los Angeles. 1561 01:27:21,945 --> 01:27:25,615 I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan. 1562 01:27:28,035 --> 01:27:30,912 (dramatic music) 1563 01:27:32,164 --> 01:27:34,957 We wanted the jury to see Bundy 1564 01:27:35,167 --> 01:27:36,542 but the defense said, well if we're 1565 01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:40,880 going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham. 1566 01:27:41,089 --> 01:27:42,256 They do not need to go to Rockingham 1567 01:27:42,507 --> 01:27:45,551 but if they do, show them where they found the glove. 1568 01:27:45,761 --> 01:27:49,096 That's all that arguably relevant. 1569 01:27:49,348 --> 01:27:51,224 (police radios) 1570 01:27:51,433 --> 01:27:53,476 We come to find that Ito was going 1571 01:27:53,685 --> 01:27:56,020 to let them go into Rockingham. 1572 01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:57,104 He's going to march the jury 1573 01:27:57,314 --> 01:27:58,189 through the inside of the house, 1574 01:27:58,398 --> 01:28:00,316 which is relevant to what? 1575 01:28:00,525 --> 01:28:02,443 No part of the crime happened inside the house. 1576 01:28:02,653 --> 01:28:04,487 What are we doing there? 1577 01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:13,454 What we did that day is create an illusion. 1578 01:28:13,705 --> 01:28:18,125 When you would walk up the grand staircase 1579 01:28:18,752 --> 01:28:22,463 there was a large wall with pictures of the family, 1580 01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:24,966 pictures of friends, 1581 01:28:26,718 --> 01:28:29,262 pictures of OJ's career, 1582 01:28:29,471 --> 01:28:33,391 problem was the overwhelming majority of 1583 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,896 pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his. 1584 01:28:42,985 --> 01:28:45,987 We had an African American jury 1585 01:28:46,196 --> 01:28:50,908 and we wanted to make sure that the home setting 1586 01:28:51,952 --> 01:28:55,997 would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect. 1587 01:28:57,582 --> 01:28:58,791 We took all of his white friends down. 1588 01:28:59,001 --> 01:29:01,460 Put all of his black people up. 1589 01:29:01,670 --> 01:29:05,089 Pictures he probably had never seen before 1590 01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:07,800 because that is what we were told 1591 01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:10,136 the jury would identify with. 1592 01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:13,180 We made him blacker. 1593 01:29:13,932 --> 01:29:17,184 There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph 1594 01:29:18,478 --> 01:29:20,896 that we took from Johnnie's office 1595 01:29:23,191 --> 01:29:27,069 and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs. 1596 01:29:30,115 --> 01:29:34,160 We did not remove all of his pictures with white people. 1597 01:29:35,370 --> 01:29:36,912 The whole house would have been gone, 1598 01:29:37,122 --> 01:29:40,791 would have been dark, we didn't do that. 1599 01:29:41,001 --> 01:29:45,254 You have got to be kidding me, it's night and day. 1600 01:29:45,505 --> 01:29:47,006 This was an African American man's house. 1601 01:29:47,215 --> 01:29:51,427 Who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever. 1602 01:29:51,636 --> 01:29:55,431 Marcia saw the wall 1603 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,185 and she said, "Carl, you know damn well, he has never 1604 01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:04,065 had this many black people on his wall, his entire life." 1605 01:30:04,274 --> 01:30:07,068 I said, "Marcia, what are talking about? 1606 01:30:07,277 --> 01:30:11,238 How dare you accuse us of such things." 1607 01:30:11,448 --> 01:30:14,450 I was miserable, I was angry. 1608 01:30:14,701 --> 01:30:16,702 That is very dirty pool. 1609 01:30:16,912 --> 01:30:18,579 If we had had a Latin jury, 1610 01:30:18,789 --> 01:30:20,623 we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero, 1611 01:30:20,832 --> 01:30:25,169 there would have been a mariachi band out front, 1612 01:30:25,379 --> 01:30:28,714 we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase. 1613 01:30:28,924 --> 01:30:30,383 I objected, we went outside, 1614 01:30:30,592 --> 01:30:32,009 we convened a hearing and I said, 1615 01:30:32,219 --> 01:30:34,011 this has no relevance whatsoever. 1616 01:30:34,262 --> 01:30:35,221 They've now changed the scene. 1617 01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:36,806 It was never relevant to begin with 1618 01:30:37,015 --> 01:30:39,308 and now it's completely irrelevant. 1619 01:30:39,518 --> 01:30:40,935 You know, the defense is always 1620 01:30:41,186 --> 01:30:43,187 going to push the envelope, that's what they do. 1621 01:30:43,397 --> 01:30:46,524 It's up to the judge to stop them. 1622 01:30:46,733 --> 01:30:49,193 Ito let them get away with it. 1623 01:30:50,278 --> 01:30:53,447 (dramatic music) 1624 01:30:53,657 --> 01:30:55,950 All of a sudden he became black. 1625 01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:00,037 They threw off the cape and now he's one of them. 1626 01:31:03,208 --> 01:31:05,459 I was surprised to see the depth 1627 01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:07,086 of feeling that so many people in 1628 01:31:07,295 --> 01:31:08,712 the black community, certainly those 1629 01:31:08,922 --> 01:31:12,341 around the courthouse, had for him. 1630 01:31:12,551 --> 01:31:13,509 I feel that he is not guilty and 1631 01:31:13,718 --> 01:31:15,803 I also feel that he is being unfairly 1632 01:31:16,012 --> 01:31:17,930 treated as so have a lot of African 1633 01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:22,852 American persons who have been through the judicial process. 1634 01:31:23,103 --> 01:31:25,271 I think that you find among black people, 1635 01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:28,065 an incredible amount of forgiveness 1636 01:31:28,275 --> 01:31:31,026 for anybody living through the pain 1637 01:31:32,446 --> 01:31:34,780 of being black in America. 1638 01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:36,365 They were not involved with OJ 1639 01:31:36,575 --> 01:31:38,200 in terms of critical thinking. 1640 01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:39,285 Why does he mean so much to you? 1641 01:31:39,494 --> 01:31:41,662 You know, I can't answer that, 1642 01:31:41,872 --> 01:31:42,621 this is just something that's 1643 01:31:42,831 --> 01:31:44,540 really struck a chord with me. 1644 01:31:44,749 --> 01:31:46,500 And I'm just compelled to be here. 1645 01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:50,254 He was a black man who was on trial that they 1646 01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:58,387 perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm. 1647 01:31:58,597 --> 01:31:59,889 They're trying to railroad him, 1648 01:32:00,098 --> 01:32:01,140 they need to find the murderer. 1649 01:32:01,349 --> 01:32:03,225 Go out and look for the murderer. 1650 01:32:03,435 --> 01:32:07,229 He's accused but we all know he didn't do it. 1651 01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:11,317 He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that, 1652 01:32:11,526 --> 01:32:14,528 there is a B-U-T, but, 1653 01:32:17,282 --> 01:32:18,866 he was black. 1654 01:32:19,075 --> 01:32:20,034 So, he didn't do it? 1655 01:32:20,243 --> 01:32:20,868 No, he didn't do it. 1656 01:32:21,077 --> 01:32:21,785 How do you know? 1657 01:32:21,953 --> 01:32:22,745 I know he didn't do it. 1658 01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:23,579 How do you know? 1659 01:32:23,788 --> 01:32:24,955 I just know. 1660 01:32:25,165 --> 01:32:28,918 You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills, 1661 01:32:30,504 --> 01:32:35,132 and I may be in the basement of a place in Watts 1662 01:32:38,595 --> 01:32:40,471 but we are connected. 1663 01:32:50,315 --> 01:32:52,942 (dramatic music)126516

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