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♪ I'm looking up
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♪ Cause baby I've been down
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♪ I'm looking up
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♪ Tired of bringing you down
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(police radio chatter)
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When I got there, they had
the scene very well secured.
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They had the entire
block taped off.
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Front door wide open,
little music playing
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in the background,
candles are lit inside.
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Very violent confrontation.
Rage.
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Two victims, blood everywhere.
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We find a glove--
It's a left glove--
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and a blood trail indicating the
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suspect has been wounded
on the left side.
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So we're just getting
into this when we
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find out that this is apparently
OJ Simpson's estranged wife.
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We have two children asleep.
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I have a very brutal murder.
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Someone's gotta make a death
notification of next of kin.
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Which is Simpson.
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Lang and Vannatter
were talking
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and they called
me over and said,
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"You were at Simpson's
house once, right?
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We want you to
take us up there."
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We pull close to the gate.
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Vannatter was
hitting the doorbell,
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they keep ringing the doorbell
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and so I just stroll
down the street.
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(ominous music)
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By the other gate,
there's a white Bronco.
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On the driver's side
door handle, blood.
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I mean there was enough
evidence outside,
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we gotta make sure
everybody's okay in here.
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Oh God, what are we going to
do, Simpson's in there dead.
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Well, yeah, we need to go in.
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So I jumped up over the
fence and I opened the gate.
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(ominous music)
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Bang on the front
door, nothing.
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Walk around to the back,
there's a couple of bungalows.
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The first one
was Kato Kaelin's.
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Kato Kaelin was a live-in...
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...friend.
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We said, "We're the police,
check on Mr. Simpson."
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OJ's in Chicago.
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Well, he left last night.
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Oh, thank God.
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They all leave and I'm
left here with Kato Kaelin.
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I go, "Tell me what
you did last night."
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He goes, "Well I was
talking on the phone
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and all a sudden there
was, like, an earthquake.
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It was just like...
(pounding)
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...on the wall
and pictures shook."
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Okay.
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I walk back outside
and I start walking
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down the back,
behind the bungalows.
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And then as I pan down,
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I see this brown, glistening...
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At first I thought
it was dog crap.
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And then I shined a light on it.
It's a glove.
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Just like the one...
Ed Bundy...
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Uh, yeah, this is
gonna get deep.
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This is gonna be a crime scene.
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(ominous music)
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I make the decision
to make a telephonic
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to the Brown family
and I talk to Lou Brown
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and say that your daughter
Nicole is dead.
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It's quiet for about
two seconds then
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all this screaming.
It's Nicole's sister, Denise.
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"I knew that motherfucker,
he was gonna kill,
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I knew he was gonna do this."
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I mean, she didn't hesitate.
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Nobody comes unglued like that
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unless they have a
strong suspicion.
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We gotta look at it a
little differently now.
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We lock everything down,
no more searching,
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can't do anything
until we get a warrant.
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Phil Vannatter
called me and said,
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"I've got some information;
I need to get a search warrant.
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I need you to tell me if
you think it sounds okay."
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And he just summarized the
evidence and it was huge.
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Okay, yeah, go ahead,
get the search warrant, you're fine.
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And he said, "You know who it is?
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It's OJ Simpson."
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OJ Simpson?
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Um...
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I was never into sports,
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so I didn't even know
what game he played.
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I thought he was a has-been.
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Monday afternoon
came around,
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Simpson came back from Chicago
and they handcuff him.
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It was quite surprising.
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Your ex-husband's always
a suspect in a case.
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Okay, wow. (laughing)
Here we go.
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(ominous music)
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He said he's gonna talk to
us, which is really strange.
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You have one
opportunity forever
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to talk to this guy, forever.
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He's thinking he can
control a couple of cops.
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Especially these guys 'cause,
you know, they're pretty nice.
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What Vannatter and
Lang failed to do was
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simply to pin him down on what
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he did on the day of the murder.
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OJ just rambled and
created an interview
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transcript that was
useless to the prosecution.
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What do you mean,
you were running
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around doing what you do?
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean you
cut yourself in Chicago
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but the blood got on the
Bronco before you left.
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What do you mean?
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There's a million things
that they just let go.
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Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh.
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Oh my God.
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What I wanted was
his blood, photographs
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taken of the bleeding
finger, I wanted his
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fingerprints now that
we've got his cooperation.
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We get the blood,
we get all these things
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we want which are
going to be evidence.
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And then, ya know,
he's released.
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What?
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Why would you do that?
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If he was any other guy,
would you have let him go?
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And they said,
"Where can he go?
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After all, what can he do?"
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I mean, everybody
recognizes him.
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(orchestral music)
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When I went over
to Rockingham,
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he had like three TV's
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and each and every one of them,
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he had a different channel on.
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Suspect, what are
you talking about?
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Is he crazy?
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And I said, "OJ, what
happened to your finger?"
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And he says, "I cut it
on a glass in Chicago."
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And I went oh, okay.
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Somebody else sat down and
asked him the same question
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and he said, "I was
chipping golf balls."
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And I went, uh-hmm,
later on that evening,
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same question came out,
"Oh man, I was getting
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the cell phone out of
the Bronco, cut myself."
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I was like, wow.
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I tried to leave there and
OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."
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and he says, "They
asked me to take
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a lie detector test.
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I told them no."
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I said, "What do you mean,
you told them no?"
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And he says, you know,
jokingly, he says
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"Well, you know to
be truthful, Shipp,
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I have had dreams of killing her."
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I wanted to leave.
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I said, "I'm outta here."
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Here, at OJ Simpson's home,
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in the fashionable
suburb of Brentwood,
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the world media has
settled in to the siege.
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Against the public
backdrop,
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police are quietly,
methodically reconstructing
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the events of last Sunday evening
to answer the question:
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Could this American sports hero,
possibly, be a murderer?
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(deep bass music)
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(jet engines)
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At the time that
this murder took place,
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OJ was at home,
awaiting a limousine
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to take him to the airport
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for a promotional
event in Chicago.
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OJ Simpson has described
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him as his quarterback.
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He is defense attorney
Robert Shapiro.
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I agree with that assessment.
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(upbeat music)
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He was known as the fixer.
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He was a Hollywood lawyer.
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He was not know as a
"trial dogg" with two G's.
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You hired Bob
Shapiro to cut a deal.
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Bob had never
tried a murder case.
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And so when he called me in June
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and said, "I need some
help in the OJ case."
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I was more than ready.
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Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro
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on some of his other cases
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and I was pretty successful.
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So they recruited me as
the defense investigator.
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OJ was putting
together his team.
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They sent a guy over to me.
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"Hey man, we're putting
together this thing."
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"We're going to need you,
OJ needs you."
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And I said, "I'm not on board."
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And I'll never forget that
investigator's look on his face.
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He said, "What?"
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I said, "OJ killed her,
I'm not on board."
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(piano music)
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I gotta say, I had
a lot of fun with her.
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At times, I felt like a
big brother to her 'cause
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I'd come over there and
she'd share things with me.
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And I kinda felt
special that she thought
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enough of me to tell
me her problems.
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She's a great human being.
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Thank you.
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(applause)
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I remember early in...
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in the years that her
and OJ was dating,
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we were all down
in the Caribbean.
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OJ was working on a film,
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and if a lot of don't know,
I'm gonna let you know now,
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blacks can not swim,
we can't float.
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(laughter)
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Justin can.
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Well, thank God,
well he got that from his mom.
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So, we're out in the
saltwater, right?
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And Nicole is out there
looking like, you know,
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she was made to swim,
she's backstroking and
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she's doing all these things.
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So, here's OJ and I,
we're standing
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on the shore and
she's waving us in.
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(laughter)
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Now, this is saltwater,
in the Caribbean.
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Everything down there floats.
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OJ and I got out there
and we tried to float,
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and she thought that's
the funniest thing
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she'd ever seen in her life.
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She could not believe it.
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And one of the
things about Nicole,
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which all of you will agree,
was Nicole's laugh.
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Once that woman laughed,
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she was, uh...
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She brought out a lot
of goodness in you.
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Nicole was very,
very special to me.
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That was my buddy.
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And, um...
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And I know, Sydney and Justin,
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you've been blessed
because a lot
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of her character and
the goodness about her.
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You're not going
to notice it now,
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but you're going to
notice it as you get older
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cause she's laid a great
foundation for you two.
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I love you, Nicole,
and I love you too, Jason.
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I mean Justin and Sydney
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and I'll always will
be there for you.
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(applause)
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OJ Simpson may soon
face legal action.
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The Associated Press
says a homicide detective
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has told them Simpson's
arrest is imminent.
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It is not only
OJ Simpson's life
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that is coming under
the media microscope.
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Reporters are looking,
too, at Ronald Goldman,
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the aspiring model, who was
killed with Nicole Simpson.
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His family said he was
nothing more than a friend.
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He was a special human being
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that didn't deserve
what's happened.
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He was gonna
open a restaurant.
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After Ron was murdered,
we went to his apartment.
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He had a floor plan,
he had a menu,
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he had names of people whose art
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he was gonna hang on the wall.
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He had everything worked out.
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Obviously, this is
your older brother.
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We don't get to spend
very much time together,
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so I'm very glad that
I was able to be here.
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So I love you very much
and I'll see you soon.
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That was all taken away.
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My sister's body was gonna
be behind closed doors.
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I said to my friend,
"I can't go in there."
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And as I'm having
this conversation
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with them I'm hearing screams.
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Looking at her
I can remember a black
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dress up to her neck because
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what I had heard is
that her head was
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almost cut off all the way.
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Which even shocked
me more and more.
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I mean that was just like...
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and seeing her there,
lying there in a coffin.
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I mean, it really, I mean,
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I don't know,
it's just terrible.
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He came to the wake.
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It was just unbelievable.
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We were all kind of in
shock that he came there.
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Judy asked him directly,
"Did you kill my daughter?"
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"No, no. I loved her too much."
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He was, like,
on Xanax or something.
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He was just sedated.
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I leaned over to him and said,
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"We're going to
get through this."
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I had no idea what was going on.
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00:19:31,754 --> 00:19:34,589
(orchestral music)
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Action News has
learned that Simpson's
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attorney is working
on a deal with police
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for Simpson's surrender
to avoid what the
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lawyer calls, and we quote,
"a media circus."
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00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:03,243
(orchestral music)
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Shapiro was going to surrender
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00:20:20,678 --> 00:20:23,555
him to the detectives
in the morning.
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00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:32,105
We're standing
outside Parker Center
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00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:34,941
waiting for OJ to
turn himself in.
294
00:20:36,819 --> 00:20:40,238
Every time a car would
pass by, is that OJ?
295
00:20:43,159 --> 00:20:44,951
I think it was 11:00.
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00:20:46,162 --> 00:20:48,788
Oh, no, he doesn't show up.
297
00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:53,710
I think I'd already
scheduled a press conference.
298
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,879
And it's like, oh, no.
299
00:20:56,547 --> 00:21:00,383
We potentially could look
like a bunch of clowns here.
300
00:21:04,347 --> 00:21:07,974
I did not know about the
arrangements for his surrender.
301
00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:09,059
I went with the
assumption that they
302
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:11,061
would announce that
he had been arrested.
303
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:14,064
Gascon's coming up.
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00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:15,065
Looking out at the auditorium,
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00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:17,525
not only are all
the seats taken,
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00:21:17,735 --> 00:21:18,902
but all the aisles are jammed,
307
00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:21,571
the front is jammed,
the back wall is jammed.
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00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,324
He's on the stage.
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00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:25,283
And I was the
one who was gonna
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have to stand out there naked.
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00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,668
This morning detectives
from the Los Angeles
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00:21:34,877 --> 00:21:38,546
Police Department sought
and obtained a warrant
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for the arrest of OJ
Simpson, charging him
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00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,678
with the murders of
Nicole Brown Simpson
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00:21:44,887 --> 00:21:47,180
and Ronald Lyle Goldman.
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00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:53,603
Mr. Simpson, in agreement
with his attorney,
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00:21:54,897 --> 00:21:57,148
was scheduled to
surrender this morning,
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00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,442
to the Los Angeles
Police Department.
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00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:02,070
Initially, that was 11:00.
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00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:05,907
It then became 11:45.
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00:22:06,951 --> 00:22:10,120
Mr. Simpson has not appeared.
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00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:17,085
The Los Angeles Police
Department, right now,
323
00:22:17,295 --> 00:22:20,880
is actively searching
for Mr. Simpson.
324
00:22:23,926 --> 00:22:25,302
The gasp that went
through the room,
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00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:26,761
I think it's right
at that moment,
326
00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:29,472
that I realized,
oh boy, this is big.
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00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:32,559
We will continue our
pursuit of Mr. Simpson
328
00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:36,021
and hope to have him
in custody soon.
329
00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:39,149
He's gone.
330
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:40,191
I looked at Marika and said,
331
00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:43,153
"It's a helicopter story now.
332
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:46,323
Let's find this son of a bitch."
333
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I can take a few questions.
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00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,994
(everyone speaks at once)
335
00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:52,287
I'd known Gascon
for a long time
336
00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:55,790
and he's a fairly easygoing
guy normally.
337
00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:57,042
You're gonna have
to hold it down.
338
00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:59,044
One at a time or won't
be able to hear you.
339
00:22:59,253 --> 00:23:01,713
Then a sense of humor
to add a light touch.
340
00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:04,049
You asked a question,
would you like for me to answer?
341
00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,801
He got pretty
tightly wound that day.
342
00:23:07,011 --> 00:23:09,179
I doubt that there's
anyone around this country
343
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:10,680
that's been monitoring
television, radio,
344
00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:13,224
or newspapers, that
doesn't know at this point
345
00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:16,519
that something's
going on in this case.
346
00:23:18,481 --> 00:23:23,651
If you, in any way,
are assisting Mr. Simpson
347
00:23:23,861 --> 00:23:26,654
in avoiding justice,
Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of
348
00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,366
justice right now.
349
00:23:29,867 --> 00:23:32,160
And if you assist
him in any way,
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00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:34,871
you are committing a felony.
351
00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:37,665
I was pissed off
that we were in essence
352
00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:40,835
given the old Italian gesture.
353
00:23:42,004 --> 00:23:46,591
I don't recall being that upset
before in the DA's office.
354
00:23:46,801 --> 00:23:48,426
I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed.
355
00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:50,720
Angry at who, beyond...
356
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,972
I'm angry at OJ Simpson.
357
00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:03,191
(police radio)
358
00:24:28,634 --> 00:24:31,344
It is not an escape,
he was not under arrest.
359
00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:36,850
He was under sedation in a
very, very emotional state.
360
00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:42,689
He was at a residence
that is secluded,
361
00:24:42,898 --> 00:24:46,025
that is very, very hard to find,
362
00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:48,736
and there was never
any thought of him
363
00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:51,281
leaving that residence without us.
364
00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:57,620
This letter was
written by OJ today.
365
00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:02,876
First, everyone understand,
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00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:06,880
I had nothing to do
with Nicole's murder.
367
00:25:08,215 --> 00:25:13,178
I loved her, always
have, and always will.
368
00:25:13,387 --> 00:25:19,309
If we had a problem,
it's because I loved her so much.
369
00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:23,313
It's 1700, 5 pm,
when you have
370
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,316
Kardashian reading the letter.
371
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:31,738
I thought, wow, maybe
he killed himself.
372
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:37,577
I think of my life
and feel I've done most
373
00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:42,290
of the right things,
so why do I end up like this?
374
00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:45,752
I can't go on.
375
00:25:46,712 --> 00:25:49,631
No matter what the outcome,
376
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,966
people will look and point.
377
00:25:52,968 --> 00:25:54,511
I can't take that.
378
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,431
I can't subject my
children to that.
379
00:25:59,141 --> 00:26:01,643
We deal with folks
who are in crisis
380
00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:07,398
and get to a very dark
place and they just do it.
381
00:26:08,317 --> 00:26:10,443
Don't feel sorry for me.
382
00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:13,363
I've had a great life.
383
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,323
Great friends.
384
00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:20,912
Please think of the real OJ
and not this lost person.
385
00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:30,547
The note says, to me,
feel sorry for me but...
386
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:33,841
I'm the guy, you know,
I'm the bad guy.
387
00:26:37,221 --> 00:26:38,846
He was,
Mr. Cowlings was with him,
388
00:26:39,056 --> 00:26:42,475
he was his best friend,
he was by his side
389
00:26:42,685 --> 00:26:45,853
for the last few minutes
alone while we were upstairs.
390
00:26:48,148 --> 00:26:50,900
AC just had a love for OJ.
391
00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:55,822
I remember once, in high school,
392
00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:57,031
a friend of mine had a starter
393
00:26:57,241 --> 00:26:59,993
pistol that he
brought to school.
394
00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:01,327
So we said okay,
let's go,
395
00:27:01,537 --> 00:27:05,582
take the gun and pull it on OJ
396
00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:08,376
and act like we're
gonna shoot him.
397
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,045
We were all down for it.
398
00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:16,301
So, we went out on the
field where OJ and Al were
399
00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:19,679
and my friend, Ray, well,
he pulled the gun out
400
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:22,473
and everybody
sorta stepped back.
401
00:27:22,683 --> 00:27:27,812
And Al Cowlings
stepped in front of OJ.
402
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:33,776
And said, "Ray, if
you gonna shoot OJ,
403
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:36,487
you gotta shoot me first."
404
00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:42,076
(police radios)
405
00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:46,914
1993 Ford Bronco.
406
00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:52,420
We're listening to the Los
Angeles Police Department
407
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:54,422
and they believe
that this vehicle
408
00:27:54,632 --> 00:27:58,509
is somewhere in the
vicinity of the El Toro Y.
409
00:27:59,595 --> 00:28:02,055
And I look down below and
there's the El Toro Y.
410
00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:06,225
And there's a white Bronco.
411
00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,519
Then there's a
sheriff's unit and
412
00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:11,397
there's another sheriff's unit
and another sheriff's unit.
413
00:28:11,607 --> 00:28:13,650
Okay, here we are,
open the door.
414
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:18,404
We get the door open and
we get our very first shot.
415
00:28:18,614 --> 00:28:20,490
And I'm back on
the two way radio
416
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:24,494
telling CBS, you gotta get
us on the air, we found him.
417
00:28:26,121 --> 00:28:28,623
And with a flip of the switch,
we were on with Dan Rather.
418
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:29,957
This is Dan Rather
with Connie Chung
419
00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:31,376
in Los Angeles and let's
hold on a second here.
420
00:28:31,627 --> 00:28:34,587
I'm seeing on the monitor
this live helicopter
421
00:28:34,797 --> 00:28:37,882
coverage of the Ford Bronco
being followed by the police.
422
00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:40,259
And let's pick up some of the
423
00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:42,387
transmission from
the helicopter.
424
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:43,763
They believe he's suicidal
425
00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:45,473
and very dangerous.
426
00:28:45,683 --> 00:28:48,601
Unfortunately at
this time it does not
427
00:28:48,811 --> 00:28:51,604
appear as though the
driver is slowing down
428
00:28:51,814 --> 00:28:56,234
or complying with the
orders of the officers.
429
00:28:56,443 --> 00:28:59,904
We were on the air
exclusively for 22 minutes.
430
00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:03,950
And this was the most
conflicted I had every been.
431
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:05,368
The gravity of the
murder, I mean,
432
00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:09,622
this was a double homicide
and this is a tragic story.
433
00:29:09,832 --> 00:29:13,543
Very few human beings
fall as far as OJ Simpson.
434
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,587
I've fallen quite a bit
transitioning, you know,
435
00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:20,425
you go from being like a
hero pilot to some tranny,
436
00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:23,136
you know, so I've fallen
somewhat myself but
437
00:29:23,387 --> 00:29:27,056
this is like an epic fall.
438
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,268
And I'm weighing
consequences of this with
439
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:34,480
also the biggest news
story, like, ever.
440
00:29:34,690 --> 00:29:35,606
I'm going to use a
441
00:29:35,816 --> 00:29:37,608
pair of binoculars
to try to determine
442
00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:41,487
whether or not I
can see Mr. Simpson.
443
00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:47,744
Fuck NBC, fuck ABC,
fuck those guys.
444
00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:50,037
I hope they shoot
this son of a bitch.
445
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:54,375
And I hope they kill him before
the competitors get here.
446
00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:57,587
(phone ringing)
447
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,464
911, what are you reporting?
448
00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:01,215
This is AC.
449
00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:02,425
I have OJ in the car.
450
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:04,385
Okay, where are you?
451
00:30:04,595 --> 00:30:06,471
Please, I'm coming
up the 5 freeway.
452
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,513
Okay.
453
00:30:07,723 --> 00:30:08,598
Right now we are okay.
454
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,892
But you got to tell
the police to back off.
455
00:30:11,143 --> 00:30:13,603
He's still alive, but he's
got a gun to his head.
456
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,481
Okay, hold on
a minute, Monica.
457
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:17,565
He just wants
to see his mother.
458
00:30:17,775 --> 00:30:19,066
Let me get him to the house.
459
00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:22,236
Okay, hold on a moment.
460
00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:24,906
Okay, what's your name?
461
00:30:25,115 --> 00:30:26,115
My name is AC.
462
00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:27,366
You know who I am, God dammit.
463
00:30:27,576 --> 00:30:28,826
Okay.
464
00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:35,917
Right now, that OJ's sitting
there is the passenger seat with
465
00:30:36,126 --> 00:30:38,628
a gun pointed at his own head.
466
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:42,548
Someone turned the
TV on and there he is.
467
00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:43,925
14 units of the
Orange County Sheriff's
468
00:30:44,134 --> 00:30:45,885
Department and Highway Patrol
469
00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:48,554
following behind
a good distance.
470
00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:53,518
Oh my God, this isn't real,
this can't be real.
471
00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:55,144
We're dumbfounded.
472
00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:58,481
Law enforcement is
following Simpson.
473
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,192
They want him to stop.
474
00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:02,610
Red lights and sirens.
475
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,362
It's not an escort.
476
00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:07,865
Why are they allowing
him to continue?
477
00:31:08,075 --> 00:31:09,033
Really, the game plan is
478
00:31:09,243 --> 00:31:11,536
really being conducted
by Mr. Simpson
479
00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,912
at this point and
it's very much like
480
00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:14,956
when the president
travels down a major
481
00:31:15,165 --> 00:31:17,708
thoroughfare, like a freeway.
482
00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:20,336
I was wondering,
okay, maybe around
483
00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,129
the next curve
they've got it marked
484
00:31:22,339 --> 00:31:25,466
off and they're going
to force him to stop.
485
00:31:25,676 --> 00:31:29,679
It wasn't like they were
going 100 miles an hour.
486
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:33,558
But I'm not a police tactician.
487
00:31:33,767 --> 00:31:35,309
That was their call.
488
00:31:38,522 --> 00:31:41,482
I've covered so
many of these things,
489
00:31:41,692 --> 00:31:44,402
this was not usual
police behavior.
490
00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:47,405
If OJ Simpson were black,
491
00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:50,116
that shit wouldn't
have happened.
492
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:55,663
He'd be on the ground
getting clubbed.
493
00:31:55,873 --> 00:31:58,749
But since he transcended
race and color
494
00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:02,587
to the exalted
status of celebrity,
495
00:32:02,796 --> 00:32:04,505
he got a motorcade.
496
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,008
This is not a chase,
497
00:32:07,217 --> 00:32:09,719
this is basically
an accompaniment.
498
00:32:10,721 --> 00:32:13,472
(ominous music)
499
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:18,060
Nobody is doing anything.
500
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,564
So I'm talking to Eddie Jo
Fairbanks in the DA's office.
501
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:22,565
She said, "Well,
I just happen to
502
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:24,358
have his cell number,
would you like it?
503
00:32:24,568 --> 00:32:25,735
(laughing)
504
00:32:26,028 --> 00:32:27,403
(phone ringing)
505
00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:28,654
You there?
506
00:32:28,906 --> 00:32:29,864
Just let me get to my house.
507
00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:31,032
Okay, we're gonna do that.
508
00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:32,325
I swear to you I'll give you,
509
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:34,076
I'll give you me,
I'll give you my whole body.
510
00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:35,077
Okay--
511
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:36,746
I just need to
get to my house.
512
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,623
Okay, we're gonna do that,
513
00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:40,124
just throw the gun
out the window.
514
00:32:40,334 --> 00:32:41,042
I can't do that.
515
00:32:41,251 --> 00:32:41,959
We're not gonna bother you,
516
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:42,877
we're gonna let you go up there.
517
00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:44,128
Just throw it out the window,
518
00:32:44,338 --> 00:32:45,630
please, you're
scaring everybody.
519
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:46,923
This is not to keep
520
00:32:47,132 --> 00:32:48,591
you guys away from me,
this is for me.
521
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,009
I know that,
nobody's gonna hurt you.
522
00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:51,677
This is for me.
523
00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:53,387
He's trying, in my mind,
524
00:32:53,597 --> 00:32:54,805
to imply he's going
to commit suicide,
525
00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:56,349
but he's not saying that.
526
00:32:56,558 --> 00:32:58,976
So, I'm playing along with that.
527
00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:02,897
(moaning)
528
00:33:03,106 --> 00:33:07,610
Hey, everybody loves you,
don't do this.
529
00:33:07,861 --> 00:33:11,614
Just throw it out the window
and nobody's gonna get hurt.
530
00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:13,866
You've got a guy here that's,
531
00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:15,117
I don't know where his mind is,
532
00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,787
I really believe he
killed two people.
533
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:20,581
But now he's got a loaded gun,
and he's being chased by cops.
534
00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:22,291
Is he gonna start
shooting at the cops?
535
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:24,502
Is he gonna shoot
at AC and kill...
536
00:33:24,711 --> 00:33:27,129
Is he gonna blow
his own brains out?
537
00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:30,174
I do know if I can engage
him in a conversation it's
538
00:33:30,425 --> 00:33:33,302
going to temporarily at least
take his mind off the gun.
539
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,805
I'm the only one
that deserves this.
540
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,139
No, you don't deserve that.
541
00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,767
You do not deserve to get hurt.
542
00:33:39,977 --> 00:33:40,685
Don't do this.
543
00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:42,269
All I did was love Nicole.
544
00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:43,813
All I did was love her.
545
00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:44,772
I understand.
546
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:46,482
Love everybody, show everybody
547
00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:48,317
my whole life that
I love everybody.
548
00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:51,237
We know that and
everybody loves you.
549
00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:53,864
Your kids need you.
550
00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:55,241
I've already said
goodbye to my kids.
551
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:56,742
You're gonna hurt everybody.
552
00:33:56,952 --> 00:33:57,910
I'm just gonna have to see.
553
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,203
No, don't
554
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:01,372
I'm gonna go with Nicole.
That's all I'm gonna do.
555
00:34:01,623 --> 00:34:02,581
That's all I'm trying to do.
556
00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:03,666
Think about everybody
else, alright?
557
00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:04,750
I couldn't on the freeway.
558
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,751
I couldn't do it in a field.
559
00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:06,961
I want to do it at her grave.
560
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:09,296
I want to do it at my house.
561
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,340
You gonna go to the house?
562
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:15,636
We were told he was going
to the Rockingham location.
563
00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:18,848
And that's all we were told.
564
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,766
If they requested SWAT
to handle something,
565
00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:23,602
that's because they can't
handle it themselves.
566
00:34:23,812 --> 00:34:25,438
I was told you're going
to do the talking,
567
00:34:25,647 --> 00:34:28,691
you're going to
be the negotiator.
568
00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:32,445
Drive time from
downtown to the west side
569
00:34:32,654 --> 00:34:35,906
was gonna take 30, 40 minutes.
570
00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:37,533
We were trying to beat him.
571
00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:39,869
They were pressuring us.
He's pretty close.
572
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,955
We were estimating we were
about 10 minutes ahead.
573
00:34:43,165 --> 00:34:46,459
The last thing we want is for
him to get there before us.
574
00:34:46,668 --> 00:34:49,962
Because now we're
going to lose control.
575
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:55,384
And we're on the freeway
and all the overpasses,
576
00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:57,845
there were people
already staged.
577
00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:03,309
Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ,
578
00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:05,811
What a bunch of losers.
579
00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:09,815
I think people
realized, hey,
580
00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:12,902
this is gonna be passing
my neighborhood.
581
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:16,030
And they wanted to
see OJ's last run.
582
00:35:17,074 --> 00:35:18,574
This was not a somber event.
583
00:35:18,825 --> 00:35:22,411
This was one of Los
Angeles's largest parties.
584
00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:27,917
(orchestral music)
585
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:34,965
This was lined with people.
586
00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:37,843
(police sirens)
587
00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:46,185
And they're running full
speed down the street,
588
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,813
trying to get to the location.
589
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,860
We're not used to seeing
those types of crowds rush in.
590
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:57,822
(chanting)
OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ!
591
00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,918
District Attorney
of Los Angeles,
592
00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:13,087
Mr. Gil Garcetti,
will the fact that he has fled
593
00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:15,047
make things worse for him?
594
00:36:15,257 --> 00:36:18,050
Any time you have an
accused who leaves,
595
00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:20,803
that and the fact, we believe,
596
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,681
shows a consciousness of guilt.
597
00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:30,729
(chanting "Free OJ")
598
00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:38,195
I think earlier in the week,
599
00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:39,822
all of us close to OJ
600
00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:43,534
didn't believe that he
had been involved in this.
601
00:36:43,785 --> 00:36:45,911
And now I think there's
a sense of resignation
602
00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,705
and has been for the
last 24 hours and
603
00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:49,248
we can't believe
what's happening
604
00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:51,792
and there was nothing ever, ever
605
00:36:52,002 --> 00:36:53,127
in the past that would indicate
606
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:57,006
that OJ would be capable of
doing what he's doing right now.
607
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:00,926
Did they let you go?
608
00:37:01,136 --> 00:37:05,222
They didn't say anything,
all of a sudden, they just...
609
00:37:06,516 --> 00:37:08,851
What was that?
610
00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:11,729
Yeah.
611
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:14,648
Oh, okay, CBS is
trying to get you in.
612
00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:15,983
Now, he's pulling off now,
613
00:37:16,193 --> 00:37:18,402
they've just pulled
off a main highway.
614
00:37:18,612 --> 00:37:20,279
Judy Mullard, help us here.
615
00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,072
I can't tell ya, looks like
616
00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:24,575
Santa Monica Freeway,
heading I can't
617
00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:26,035
tell ya yet.
618
00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:28,078
Look at all these people
619
00:37:28,288 --> 00:37:29,371
-rushing up to the corner...
-No, it's an exit
620
00:37:29,623 --> 00:37:30,956
This word has obviously spread
621
00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:34,210
Judy, hang on, look at all
these people rushing, waving...
622
00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:37,087
(police sirens)
623
00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:44,803
There is an absolutely
utterly macabre
624
00:37:45,013 --> 00:37:47,765
nature to all this.
625
00:37:49,893 --> 00:37:50,893
They've been cheering him on,
626
00:37:51,144 --> 00:37:52,603
yelling, "Go Juice go."
627
00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:54,980
Cheering him on,
628
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:56,315
He pulled off at Sunset,
629
00:37:56,524 --> 00:38:00,569
off the 405, he's on his
way back toward Brentwood.
630
00:38:04,074 --> 00:38:06,700
When I got on scene there,
I walked toward the residence,
631
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:10,746
there was family inside the
residence and they were eating.
632
00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:12,456
Looked like they had
like a sandwich buffet
633
00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:16,418
that they were doing and
they were watching tv.
634
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,678
Dining.
635
00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:28,889
I use that clinical term.
636
00:38:29,891 --> 00:38:31,141
Nutty.
637
00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:36,939
(police sirens)
638
00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:41,986
Both sides of the street
639
00:38:42,195 --> 00:38:45,656
have pedestrians, he just
passed us at Barrington.
640
00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:47,032
Okay, Eric, its
only now probably
641
00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,326
three minutes at
the most I would
642
00:38:49,536 --> 00:38:53,330
say to his home in Brentwood.
643
00:38:57,836 --> 00:38:59,962
They're passing the
church installed there.
644
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:02,423
They are heading right
into Brentwood now.
645
00:39:02,632 --> 00:39:04,717
He's heading to my house.
646
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:09,388
He's making a
right turn, I assume,
647
00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:11,181
that's up into Brentwood Park,
648
00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:12,850
and appears to be on the way to
649
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:16,312
either his home or
very close to his home.
650
00:39:17,731 --> 00:39:19,356
We closed the
gate on Rockingham,
651
00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:21,775
we left this one open
to force him through
652
00:39:22,027 --> 00:39:25,279
and make him come into
where we wanted him.
653
00:39:33,830 --> 00:39:35,748
There was a sniper team in
this house across the street,
654
00:39:35,957 --> 00:39:38,375
there's a sniper team on top
of the roof at the residence.
655
00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:40,836
And there was one
across the street.
656
00:39:41,046 --> 00:39:42,463
(police radio)
Use your own discretion.
657
00:39:42,672 --> 00:39:44,465
You take him down
if you have to.
658
00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,303
When'd you see the
kids last, Juice?
659
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:51,221
He's pulling up
in my driveway.
660
00:39:51,431 --> 00:39:53,057
I know, I see you, I see you.
661
00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,059
Please, toss the gun.
662
00:39:55,268 --> 00:39:57,436
Juice, just toss it.
663
00:39:57,645 --> 00:40:00,397
He's pulling into
his house, oh shit.
664
00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:02,107
I've never seen
anything like this.
665
00:40:02,317 --> 00:40:04,068
Mr. Simpson, OJ please.
666
00:40:05,487 --> 00:40:07,154
When we're standing
in the threshold there,
667
00:40:07,364 --> 00:40:09,490
to my right is a television so,
668
00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:12,868
when the Bronco pulls
into the driveway
669
00:40:14,204 --> 00:40:17,790
I see Bronco, Cowlings,
Simpson in the backseat
670
00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:20,250
and then I look right
here and I get the
671
00:40:20,502 --> 00:40:22,878
point of view that
you're seeing.
672
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:24,213
Oh my goodness gracious.
673
00:40:24,464 --> 00:40:27,549
He's come home
after all of that.
674
00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:31,053
Just as we're trying
to get words out,
675
00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,430
a young man runs up to the
driver's side of the door
676
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,308
and starts hitting
at AC Cowlings.
677
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,187
Who is that out there?
678
00:40:40,397 --> 00:40:42,272
He's just trying to help.
679
00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:44,274
He's just trying to help, man.
680
00:40:44,484 --> 00:40:49,780
Kardashian said, "That's
Jason Simpson, That's OJ's son."
681
00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:54,743
So, I told Pepabrick, I said,
"Go out there and get him."
682
00:40:57,539 --> 00:40:58,872
Moved him out,
683
00:41:00,917 --> 00:41:05,212
now we get down to the
business that we designed.
684
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,674
At this juncture,
it's very fragile.
685
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:13,637
What exacerbates, what makes
it crazy, is the noise,
686
00:41:14,764 --> 00:41:17,182
you had a helicopter
seemed like about 50 feet
687
00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:21,145
off the deck, every car
that was in the following
688
00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:24,314
had their red lights
and sirens on.
689
00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:27,151
If you just take a snapshot,
690
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,529
you'd go, this is
madness, absolute madness.
691
00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:37,703
I watched that
from the newsroom
692
00:41:37,912 --> 00:41:39,621
and when I saw a couple
of the SWAT officers
693
00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:42,416
that I recognized run
across the shot, I thought,
694
00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:46,003
oh my God, they're gonna
kill him in the driveway.
695
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:48,338
Just toss it please.
696
00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:49,423
Alright?
697
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,136
Juice, just toss the gun.
698
00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:55,429
I did not want him to get out
699
00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:57,055
of the car with a
gun in his hand,
700
00:41:57,307 --> 00:41:58,348
they'd have dumped him,
701
00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:00,559
they would not
have had a choice.
702
00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:06,023
Juice, come on, Juice.
703
00:42:08,276 --> 00:42:10,194
They resolve most
situations peacefully,
704
00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:13,572
but they are there to finish
it one way or another.
705
00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:16,033
OJ, no, no OJ.
706
00:42:19,162 --> 00:42:21,288
Don't, no man, don't.
707
00:42:21,498 --> 00:42:23,290
Juice, don't do it, Juice.
708
00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:27,211
Pick it up.
709
00:42:27,462 --> 00:42:29,838
I'm thinking,
okay, there are a lot
710
00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:32,049
of people that
are betting on us.
711
00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:33,675
That we're going
to screw this up.
712
00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:35,093
That are cynical.
713
00:42:35,345 --> 00:42:38,096
That believe that we are a
714
00:42:38,306 --> 00:42:40,307
brutal horrible organization.
715
00:42:40,517 --> 00:42:42,392
And it's just not the case.
716
00:42:46,773 --> 00:42:48,482
How do they know,
that the police
717
00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,442
and the DA didn't make all this
718
00:42:50,652 --> 00:42:55,239
evidence up, to make him act
the way that he's acting?
719
00:42:55,448 --> 00:42:56,448
We were recovering
from Rodney King
720
00:42:56,658 --> 00:42:59,451
and it's so important
for the people
721
00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:02,204
to see things that
go the right way.
722
00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:03,455
There is so much
on the news where
723
00:43:03,706 --> 00:43:05,207
things go the wrong way.
724
00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:06,250
Normally, that
wouldn't be on my mind,
725
00:43:06,459 --> 00:43:08,126
but that night it was.
726
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,763
Door's opening.
727
00:43:22,475 --> 00:43:24,351
That is Al Cowlings.
728
00:43:24,561 --> 00:43:26,228
He's quite, quite
upset at the moment.
729
00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:27,271
Yeah.
730
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,773
Quite emotional here.
731
00:43:30,024 --> 00:43:32,025
I've got to get Cowlings out.
732
00:43:32,235 --> 00:43:33,402
As much as he was
trying to help,
733
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:36,363
he was interfering in
where I needed to do.
734
00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:38,031
I needed to speak
directly to Mr. Simpson,
735
00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:41,076
to try and keep him
from hurting himself.
736
00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:44,997
And Mr. Cowlings was
trying to be a go between.
737
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,458
He was very worried
about his friend.
738
00:43:48,668 --> 00:43:50,460
He kept asking us,
please don't hurt him,
739
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:53,046
please don't hurt him, please.
740
00:43:53,256 --> 00:43:54,381
And he wanted to go back,
741
00:43:54,591 --> 00:43:56,008
he wanted to stay
with his friend.
742
00:43:56,217 --> 00:43:59,386
And we wouldn't
allow it, we can't.
743
00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:00,929
Police haven't made a move,
744
00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:04,474
we understand negotiations
are still going on.
745
00:44:05,476 --> 00:44:06,935
Simpson, you can see him,
746
00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:10,522
cradling what looks
like framed photos,
747
00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:14,276
but clearly he has the barrel
of a weapon under his chin
748
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,194
and it looks like
he's just resting his
749
00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:18,530
chin on the barrel
of the weapon.
750
00:44:18,781 --> 00:44:21,366
It was the look
of a defeated man.
751
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:28,540
They are, according
to police scanners,
752
00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:30,626
talking to OJ on the
phone, from the inside
753
00:44:30,835 --> 00:44:34,046
the house, trying to
negotiate something.
754
00:44:35,882 --> 00:44:38,842
I said to him very early on,
755
00:44:39,052 --> 00:44:43,680
I don't think your children
need to see another tragedy.
756
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:46,224
And he immediately
changed the subject
757
00:44:46,434 --> 00:44:49,311
right to about himself, he
wouldn't even speak to that.
758
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,356
I said I know where
he's coming from.
759
00:44:52,565 --> 00:44:56,360
There was so much memorabilia
and stuff of him everywhere,
760
00:44:58,237 --> 00:44:59,321
normally you would
see other photos
761
00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:01,031
of family members
or something else,
762
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,369
you didn't see those
things, it was all him.
763
00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:09,665
I told Mike Albanis, Mike,
I can talk him into it.
764
00:45:09,874 --> 00:45:11,249
We can appeal to his ego enough
765
00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:14,211
that he's going to
come out for us.
766
00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:16,546
His voice, in the beginning, was
767
00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:19,383
excited but then it calmed down.
768
00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:23,595
The more we spoke about
him, the more he liked it.
769
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:26,765
We want to show them that you're
770
00:45:26,974 --> 00:45:28,934
still the person you have
been all these years.
771
00:45:29,185 --> 00:45:33,313
This great football player,
this great everything.
772
00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:36,066
(dramatic music)
773
00:45:39,612 --> 00:45:40,821
He asked me to come
out to the car,
774
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:42,030
and I said, "No,
you're going to show
775
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:43,281
them yourself, you're
going to show them
776
00:45:43,491 --> 00:45:44,741
just how big and
courageous you are,
777
00:45:44,951 --> 00:45:45,992
you're going to walk
to me and you're
778
00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:47,369
going to leave the
gun in the car,
779
00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:51,915
you're going to walk out and
show everyone, right now.
780
00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:54,042
You're going to do this."
781
00:45:55,795 --> 00:45:58,588
My personal spin,
I think, he wanted
782
00:45:58,798 --> 00:46:00,716
to surrender when it was dark.
783
00:46:00,925 --> 00:46:03,719
So that he wouldn't be seen.
784
00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:07,639
Night has fallen
here over Brentwood.
785
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:11,893
He had two picture frames
that were cradled in his arms.
786
00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:15,564
We told him, open the door,
787
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:17,399
put your arm out with the frame,
788
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:20,527
and the other arm out
with the framed photo,
789
00:46:20,737 --> 00:46:24,531
so it's clear to everybody,
so there was no mistaking.
790
00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:30,036
Doors open, dome lights on,
he's out of the vehicle.
791
00:46:30,246 --> 00:46:31,955
Kinda just hunches over,
792
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:36,501
shuffles six, eight steps to us,
793
00:46:36,711 --> 00:46:38,503
and collapses in our arms.
794
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,882
He goes, "I'm sorry,
795
00:46:42,091 --> 00:46:44,551
I was never going to
hurt you guys. I'm sorry.
796
00:46:44,761 --> 00:46:47,012
I was never going
to hurt you guys."
797
00:46:47,263 --> 00:46:48,346
OJ's in custody.
798
00:46:48,556 --> 00:46:50,223
We understand that
OJ's in custody.
799
00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:51,683
They're calling a code four.
800
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:53,560
All clear, all safe.
801
00:46:54,687 --> 00:46:57,481
Thank you, thank you to God.
802
00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,485
(reporters asking questions)
803
00:47:04,447 --> 00:47:05,947
Unbelievable, we
saw an incredible
804
00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:08,366
situation that's
gone on for hours.
805
00:47:08,576 --> 00:47:12,704
Incredible restraint by the
Los Angeles Police Department.
806
00:47:13,748 --> 00:47:15,290
The officers kept
their distance.
807
00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:17,000
They allowed the
SWAT team, the pros,
808
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:20,754
to come in, they
took their positions.
809
00:47:20,963 --> 00:47:24,508
He'd asked me to stay with
him throughout the process.
810
00:47:24,717 --> 00:47:27,052
I promised him I
would stay with him.
811
00:47:27,303 --> 00:47:29,221
I said it's time, I
gotta handcuff you now,
812
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:30,514
you need to be handcuffed.
813
00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:32,140
I'm sorry, this is
the way it works.
814
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:34,392
(police sirens)
815
00:47:36,145 --> 00:47:40,065
As we take off, Simpson
is amazed at the crowds.
816
00:47:42,235 --> 00:47:44,986
He just couldn't believe there
was this many people there.
817
00:47:45,196 --> 00:47:47,906
(Free OJ, Free OJ)
818
00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:49,574
And he said, "What are all these
819
00:47:49,826 --> 00:47:51,743
niggers doing in Brentwood?"
820
00:47:51,953 --> 00:47:54,704
(crowd cheering)
821
00:48:00,169 --> 00:48:02,546
I walk outside
and Shapiro's there.
822
00:48:02,755 --> 00:48:04,422
Shapiro shakes my hand, he says,
823
00:48:04,632 --> 00:48:08,468
"Thank you for not
killing OJ Simpson."
824
00:48:08,678 --> 00:48:09,761
He grabbed me and
went to hug me.
825
00:48:09,971 --> 00:48:12,264
I go, let's just,
826
00:48:12,849 --> 00:48:15,392
I wasn't in the mood for a hug
827
00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:19,104
and maybe I wasn't professional.
828
00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:23,024
I don't know the
frickin' guy, right,
829
00:48:23,234 --> 00:48:26,069
and he wants to weep on me?
830
00:48:26,279 --> 00:48:28,822
(dramatic music)
831
00:48:29,782 --> 00:48:32,868
Well this is one nutty day.
It really is.
832
00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:35,620
I said, I have seen
everything in law enforcement.
833
00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:38,665
There is nothing else
that can top this.
834
00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:41,626
(dramatic music)
835
00:49:01,647 --> 00:49:03,982
(piano music)
836
00:49:30,343 --> 00:49:32,218
Later today in Los
Angeles, OJ Simpson
837
00:49:32,428 --> 00:49:35,180
is expected to make his
first court appearance.
838
00:49:35,389 --> 00:49:37,432
OJ has been in jail,
under a suicide watch,
839
00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:41,311
visited only by a
psychiatrist and his lawyer.
840
00:49:42,772 --> 00:49:44,356
Please,
841
00:49:49,362 --> 00:49:50,695
Alright, people.
842
00:49:56,911 --> 00:49:58,828
Please speak up so
you may be heard.
843
00:49:59,038 --> 00:49:59,663
Uh, yes.
844
00:50:01,958 --> 00:50:02,749
Pardon me, I'm sorry.
845
00:50:02,959 --> 00:50:03,833
May we start all over again?
846
00:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,251
Yes.
847
00:50:08,756 --> 00:50:10,131
He looked a mess.
848
00:50:11,801 --> 00:50:15,428
He looked like someone
who had committed murder.
849
00:50:15,638 --> 00:50:17,138
There was nothing about the old
850
00:50:17,348 --> 00:50:20,183
smiling Simpson,
about him that day.
851
00:50:21,435 --> 00:50:22,769
Your charges
for this complaint
852
00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:24,270
in that you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced
853
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,816
forethought murder
Nicole Brown Simpson.
854
00:50:29,819 --> 00:50:32,153
In count two your
charge is the crime
855
00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:34,906
of murder in violation of
penal code section 187.
856
00:50:35,116 --> 00:50:36,866
That you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced
857
00:50:37,076 --> 00:50:40,578
forethought murder
Ronald Lyle Goldman.
858
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,916
When he initially
entered the plea,
859
00:50:45,126 --> 00:50:47,043
he barely choked it out.
860
00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:48,169
Not guilty.
861
00:50:50,214 --> 00:50:51,506
Alright, then, the
not guilty plea will
862
00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:53,550
be entered, the case
will be set for a
863
00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:56,803
preliminary hearing within
the statutory period.
864
00:50:57,013 --> 00:50:57,887
Recess.
865
00:50:59,974 --> 00:51:01,808
This case will be handled
as every case is handled,
866
00:51:02,018 --> 00:51:04,185
the case will be thoroughly
investigated by top
867
00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:07,522
notch investigators, we
will present the prosecution
868
00:51:07,732 --> 00:51:10,775
in a thorough and
professional manner.
869
00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,695
I amongst others,
recommended her.
870
00:51:13,946 --> 00:51:16,156
I was aware of her
successes in the court room.
871
00:51:16,574 --> 00:51:19,659
I knew she was a very
dynamic trial lawyer.
872
00:51:19,869 --> 00:51:20,785
I want no one to
forget the fact that
873
00:51:20,995 --> 00:51:22,996
Robert Barto wakes
up every morning,
874
00:51:23,205 --> 00:51:27,876
and Rebecca Schaeffer lies
buried in a grave in Oregon.
875
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,295
Worked extraordinarily hard,
876
00:51:30,546 --> 00:51:32,714
she was very facile
with trace evidence,
877
00:51:32,923 --> 00:51:34,966
hair, fiber, and the like.
878
00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:38,762
She was up to speed on DNA.
879
00:51:39,555 --> 00:51:41,931
She was one of our
best trial lawyers.
880
00:51:42,183 --> 00:51:43,308
I think that with
all the questions
881
00:51:43,517 --> 00:51:44,225
that we've been
getting about the
882
00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:45,852
public sympathy for Mr. Simpson,
883
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:47,187
we should not
forget the fact that
884
00:51:47,396 --> 00:51:50,732
we have two victims,
that were brutally slain.
885
00:51:50,983 --> 00:51:52,067
I have to say, it
never mattered to me
886
00:51:52,276 --> 00:51:54,986
who the defendant was, it
was a question of who did it.
887
00:51:55,196 --> 00:51:56,905
Whether they're famous,
whether they're not famous.
888
00:51:57,114 --> 00:51:59,783
They all get the same treatment.
889
00:52:00,659 --> 00:52:06,581
You are looking at inmate
number 4103970, OJ Simpson.
890
00:52:07,374 --> 00:52:09,876
(camera clicks)
891
00:52:13,422 --> 00:52:16,549
(cell doors shutting)
892
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,181
I believed he was innocent.
893
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:25,934
I was like everybody else,
it was incomprehensible
894
00:52:26,185 --> 00:52:28,353
that my friend could do this.
895
00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:33,942
I snuck into the
jail to see him and
896
00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:37,153
there's this guy
that was my buddy and
897
00:52:39,115 --> 00:52:40,615
he looked emaciated,
898
00:52:41,951 --> 00:52:43,868
he was in an orange jumpsuit,
899
00:52:44,078 --> 00:52:47,789
and he was shackled to
the desk in front of me.
900
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:55,463
Then he looked at me on the
other side of plexiglasses,
901
00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:58,049
close as he could
be, and he said,
902
00:52:58,259 --> 00:53:01,219
"I swear to God,
I didn't do this."
903
00:53:01,428 --> 00:53:02,512
I believed him.
904
00:53:05,099 --> 00:53:07,016
He asked me if I
would kind of be the
905
00:53:07,268 --> 00:53:08,852
chronicler of the whole thing.
906
00:53:09,103 --> 00:53:12,105
Would I write a book
about the whole thing.
907
00:53:12,314 --> 00:53:14,190
I backed away from that.
908
00:53:15,484 --> 00:53:19,028
Then, in a moment of
ultimate surrealism,
909
00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:20,655
I'm sitting with OJ
910
00:53:22,158 --> 00:53:24,993
and Lyle Menendez
walks behind him.
911
00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:27,871
And I just went,
shit, this is more
912
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,915
than my little pea
brain can handle.
913
00:53:32,585 --> 00:53:35,170
(dramatic music)
914
00:53:58,694 --> 00:54:03,072
Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los
Angeles jail cell tonight.
915
00:54:03,282 --> 00:54:05,074
His attorney says he
spoke to him today
916
00:54:05,284 --> 00:54:07,869
and that Simpson was in tears.
917
00:54:08,078 --> 00:54:09,454
Al Cowlings, was
himself, arrested
918
00:54:09,705 --> 00:54:11,873
on a felony charge
of aiding a fugitive.
919
00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:13,416
Get away from
my fucking house.
920
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,668
Simpson, had $10,000 in cash
921
00:54:15,878 --> 00:54:18,046
and a passport at that point.
922
00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:19,589
I love OJ
923
00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:20,924
no matter what happens.
924
00:54:21,133 --> 00:54:22,926
The murder with
special circumstances,
925
00:54:23,135 --> 00:54:24,594
death penalty charges...
926
00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:27,305
The final DNA tests
are positive for
927
00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,891
intents and purposes,
OJ Simpson really
928
00:54:30,142 --> 00:54:31,935
has no option but to
admit that he killed.
929
00:54:32,186 --> 00:54:32,852
The man who will
lead the prosecution
930
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:34,604
of the case, against OJ Simpson,
931
00:54:34,813 --> 00:54:36,689
is Los Angeles District
Attorney, Gil Garcetti.
932
00:54:36,899 --> 00:54:38,608
You said earlier,
"It's not going
933
00:54:38,817 --> 00:54:41,402
to shock me if we see OJ Simpson
934
00:54:41,612 --> 00:54:42,946
sometime down the road say okay
935
00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,115
I did do it but I'm
not responsible."
936
00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:47,450
That certainly sounded, to me,
937
00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:48,993
like a prosecutor very
comfortable with his case.
938
00:54:49,203 --> 00:54:50,662
I am comfortable
with the case,
939
00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:52,330
I don't mean to
speculate as to what
940
00:54:52,581 --> 00:54:53,706
the defense is going to be but I
941
00:54:53,916 --> 00:54:54,958
have been a prosecutor
for 25 years
942
00:54:55,167 --> 00:54:58,211
The evidence was
so overwhelming,
943
00:54:58,462 --> 00:55:00,255
there was just no doubt.
944
00:55:02,883 --> 00:55:04,342
A blood trail
that led from Bundy
945
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:06,886
all the way into his bedroom.
946
00:55:08,264 --> 00:55:09,722
I don't think I'd
ever seen that much
947
00:55:09,932 --> 00:55:12,475
evidence in any
single case ever.
948
00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:18,982
When you couple that with
evidence of motivation,
949
00:55:19,191 --> 00:55:22,151
and that was the history
of domestic violence,
950
00:55:22,361 --> 00:55:23,820
with Simpson physically and
951
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:26,948
psychologically
abusing Nicole Brown.
952
00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:28,825
This is my woman.
953
00:55:29,034 --> 00:55:30,118
This was a domestic
violence case
954
00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:32,120
that culminated in murder.
955
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:33,246
End of story.
956
00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:37,333
Both sides are going to try
957
00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:38,668
to place the publicity their way
958
00:55:38,877 --> 00:55:41,671
but because this is
a major celebrity,
959
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,131
probably this is the most famous
960
00:55:43,382 --> 00:55:45,550
American ever
charged with murder,
961
00:55:45,759 --> 00:55:48,344
there will not
business as usual.
962
00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:53,850
My former criminal law
professor, Alan Dershowitz,
963
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:58,021
was part of what would later
become known as the dream team,
964
00:55:58,230 --> 00:56:00,189
OJ Simpson's lawyers.
965
00:56:00,399 --> 00:56:01,566
So, I called up
Alan, and I said,
966
00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:03,359
"You know, what do you
think of this case?"
967
00:56:03,569 --> 00:56:06,946
And he said, "I don't know,
968
00:56:07,156 --> 00:56:10,908
but you ought to look
into this guy, this cop.
969
00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:15,913
Mark Fuhrman, there's
something bad about him."
970
00:56:17,791 --> 00:56:19,334
I first met Mark during the
971
00:56:19,585 --> 00:56:22,086
execution of a second
search warrant.
972
00:56:22,296 --> 00:56:25,173
I was impressed, he seemed
to have an eye for detail.
973
00:56:25,424 --> 00:56:27,550
Some of his investigative moves,
974
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,469
particularly going
up to Rockingham,
975
00:56:29,678 --> 00:56:33,431
struck me as this is
a smart detective.
976
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,061
Mark Fuhrman,
M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N
977
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:39,395
When he testified at
the preliminary hearing,
978
00:56:39,605 --> 00:56:41,439
he did a really good job.
979
00:56:41,648 --> 00:56:43,066
Blood to the left
of the footprint
980
00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:45,610
would indicate that
the person that left
981
00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,696
the scene was bleeding from
the left side of his body.
982
00:56:48,947 --> 00:56:50,823
And the spot on the Bronco
983
00:56:51,033 --> 00:56:53,409
could coincide with that injury.
984
00:56:55,162 --> 00:56:56,788
He was on top of his game.
985
00:56:56,955 --> 00:56:59,165
His memory of the search of
986
00:56:59,375 --> 00:57:01,125
Rockingham was
the primary thing.
987
00:57:01,335 --> 00:57:04,295
And it was detailed
and consistent.
988
00:57:04,546 --> 00:57:06,923
And why was it that you
did not secure the residence
989
00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:10,760
for a search warrant
before finding the glove.
990
00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:14,097
This is not a
situation where we
991
00:57:14,348 --> 00:57:15,723
had the time to stand out in the
992
00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:19,227
street and just wait and wonder.
993
00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,229
We had to do something.
994
00:57:23,315 --> 00:57:27,068
I thought maybe
this guy Fuhrman has
done something wrong.
995
00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:28,903
Maybe, he's been sued.
996
00:57:32,491 --> 00:57:35,410
There was this
dungeon-like basement
997
00:57:36,578 --> 00:57:38,579
in downtown Los Angeles with all
998
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:41,165
the records of
civil court filings.
999
00:57:41,375 --> 00:57:42,917
And I started
burrowing through these
1000
00:57:43,127 --> 00:57:47,547
records looking for Mark
Fuhrman as a defendant.
1001
00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:49,799
And that's not what I found.
1002
00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:54,053
I found a lawsuit where Mark
Fuhrman was the plaintiff.
1003
00:57:55,472 --> 00:58:00,435
He had actually sued the
Los Angeles Pension Board
1004
00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:05,565
asking to be relieved
as a police officer
1005
00:58:05,774 --> 00:58:09,485
and get a pension
because his mind
1006
00:58:09,695 --> 00:58:13,239
was so poisoned by
hatred of black people.
1007
00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:20,288
And I thought to myself,
now that's a story.
1008
00:58:25,085 --> 00:58:28,671
I show up uninvited at
Robert Shapiro's office.
1009
00:58:28,881 --> 00:58:32,341
And I say, "I've been looking
at Mark Fuhrman's file
1010
00:58:32,551 --> 00:58:35,094
and there's some pretty
amazing stuff in there."
1011
00:58:35,345 --> 00:58:37,013
And I remember, to
this day, he sort
1012
00:58:37,264 --> 00:58:38,264
of rocked back in his chair.
1013
00:58:38,474 --> 00:58:39,307
He said, "You saw that?"
1014
00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:40,433
I said, "Yeah."
1015
00:58:40,642 --> 00:58:42,185
He said, "You think that's bad,
1016
00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:45,104
we think he planted the glove."
1017
00:58:45,314 --> 00:58:47,690
(camera clicks)
1018
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:51,944
Fuhrman, according
to this article
1019
00:58:52,154 --> 00:58:54,780
had used a lot of
racial epithets.
1020
00:58:56,074 --> 00:58:58,409
Having that out there,
1021
00:58:58,619 --> 00:59:00,453
really brought home the
fact that we've got a
1022
00:59:00,704 --> 00:59:04,248
dynamic here we're
gonna have to deal with.
1023
00:59:05,626 --> 00:59:09,295
They found a flaw in me,
and then they made up a nexus,
1024
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:12,465
a connection to the
flaw to the case.
1025
00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:20,139
I mean, I had a bad couple years
1026
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:25,728
but I came out
1027
00:59:27,314 --> 00:59:29,357
better, I came out of it.
1028
00:59:33,403 --> 00:59:34,570
It is what it is.
1029
00:59:36,782 --> 00:59:39,242
That article came out at just
1030
00:59:39,451 --> 00:59:40,660
about the same
time, Johnnie Cochran
1031
00:59:40,869 --> 00:59:43,329
was coming aboard
the defense team.
1032
00:59:43,539 --> 00:59:45,540
And my thought at the time was,
1033
00:59:45,749 --> 00:59:48,292
here comes the race card.
1034
00:59:48,544 --> 00:59:51,045
(gospel music)
1035
00:59:57,094 --> 00:59:58,970
My name is Johnnie
L. Cochran Jr.
1036
00:59:59,179 --> 01:00:01,264
I am primarily a
civil rights lawyer.
1037
01:00:01,473 --> 01:00:02,640
And I represent a
number of clients
1038
01:00:02,849 --> 01:00:06,227
who have had their
civil rights abridged.
1039
01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:11,232
He and his firm were
central players in this story
1040
01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:14,277
of the LAPD and
race in Los Angeles.
1041
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,862
Growing up in America,
1042
01:00:17,072 --> 01:00:18,823
any African American
will tell you that,
1043
01:00:19,032 --> 01:00:21,242
we know we have to run faster,
1044
01:00:21,451 --> 01:00:23,661
jump higher, work harder,
1045
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:25,413
to do the same that
anyone else has to do.
1046
01:00:25,664 --> 01:00:26,706
(applause)
1047
01:00:26,957 --> 01:00:30,334
Johnnie Cochran was
always the icon to young
1048
01:00:30,586 --> 01:00:34,839
black, brown, and oppressed
people in Los Angeles
1049
01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:37,717
because Johnnie was that young
1050
01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:40,970
dashing lawyer who
took on the police.
1051
01:00:42,514 --> 01:00:45,308
Johnnie Cochran made his name
1052
01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:49,478
as a public lawyer in
the Deadwyler case.
1053
01:00:49,688 --> 01:00:51,480
The latest explosion
of violence in Watts
1054
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,774
really began here 11 days ago.
1055
01:00:54,026 --> 01:00:55,484
A negro motorist
driving down here
1056
01:00:55,694 --> 01:00:57,236
was rushing his wife
to the hospital,
1057
01:00:57,446 --> 01:00:58,946
she was having labor pains,
1058
01:00:59,156 --> 01:01:01,782
they were stopped, stopped
by a white patrolman.
1059
01:01:01,992 --> 01:01:06,621
One policeman got out
and came around to my side
1060
01:01:06,830 --> 01:01:07,997
and my husband leaned over me
1061
01:01:08,206 --> 01:01:09,248
and asked him if he would
1062
01:01:09,458 --> 01:01:12,752
lead him out to the
hospital to care of me.
1063
01:01:15,172 --> 01:01:19,342
And then he, he didn't say
anything, and he shot him.
1064
01:01:21,887 --> 01:01:24,680
And he fell over me.
1065
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:28,893
(dramatic music)
1066
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,064
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1067
01:01:33,273 --> 01:01:35,608
did you get inside
the Deadwyler car
1068
01:01:35,817 --> 01:01:38,486
with the upper part of
your body voluntarily?
1069
01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:39,320
Yes sir.
1070
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:41,947
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1071
01:01:42,157 --> 01:01:45,826
did you observe any weapons
within the Deadwyler car?
1072
01:01:46,036 --> 01:01:47,244
No, sir, I did not.
1073
01:01:47,454 --> 01:01:48,871
Mr. Cochran wants to know,
1074
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:50,456
that became the
catchphrase because
1075
01:01:50,707 --> 01:01:53,876
the lawyer, himself, could
not ask the questions.
1076
01:01:54,086 --> 01:01:57,296
He had to go through
the county council.
1077
01:01:57,547 --> 01:01:58,756
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1078
01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:00,049
if you been trained to keep your
1079
01:02:00,258 --> 01:02:01,425
weapon away from a suspect?
1080
01:02:01,635 --> 01:02:03,469
Yes, sir.
1081
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:06,972
Johnnie was like 27,
28 years old then.
1082
01:02:07,224 --> 01:02:09,392
He was a young whippersnapper.
1083
01:02:10,602 --> 01:02:12,144
Mr. Cochran
would like to know,
1084
01:02:12,354 --> 01:02:14,271
while you were at the Los
Angeles police academy,
1085
01:02:14,481 --> 01:02:16,565
did they train you to put your
1086
01:02:16,775 --> 01:02:19,694
upper part of your
body inside a car?
1087
01:02:21,154 --> 01:02:23,489
Not specifically that, no.
1088
01:02:31,373 --> 01:02:34,208
Because it was
a televised trial,
1089
01:02:35,836 --> 01:02:37,503
he became a hero to everybody
1090
01:02:37,713 --> 01:02:40,339
in to the South
Central community.
1091
01:02:43,635 --> 01:02:48,305
Few people had higher
standing, deeper standing.
1092
01:02:48,515 --> 01:02:52,852
Johnnie was always that
stalwart defender of justice,
1093
01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:56,230
fighting against the bastille.
1094
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,398
Each of the defendants
across the board
1095
01:02:57,607 --> 01:02:58,524
were found not guilty of the
1096
01:02:58,734 --> 01:03:00,776
assaults on the police officers.
1097
01:03:01,027 --> 01:03:03,529
Mr. Settles was beaten,
the booking photos show that.
1098
01:03:03,739 --> 01:03:05,614
I want to know if they had
anything to do with his death.
1099
01:03:05,866 --> 01:03:07,742
I want to know, whether
or not, he hung himself
1100
01:03:07,951 --> 01:03:09,827
or whether or not he was hung.
1101
01:03:10,036 --> 01:03:11,203
The only version
that you heard
1102
01:03:11,413 --> 01:03:13,038
of what transpired was what the
1103
01:03:13,248 --> 01:03:15,708
police officers told
you, isn't that correct?
1104
01:03:15,917 --> 01:03:17,126
(dramatic music)
1105
01:03:17,335 --> 01:03:18,043
It's not that Johnnie was the
1106
01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:19,545
only good lawyer for OJ Simpson
1107
01:03:19,755 --> 01:03:21,505
but I would say
that he and his firm
1108
01:03:21,715 --> 01:03:24,759
were the only lawyers who
would really understand
1109
01:03:24,968 --> 01:03:27,011
and argue this case
in the context of
1110
01:03:27,262 --> 01:03:31,348
the LAPD's relationship
to African Americans.
1111
01:03:31,558 --> 01:03:34,477
Now, did he also like a big
celebrity trial, you bet.
1112
01:03:34,686 --> 01:03:36,437
Michael Jackson has maintained
1113
01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,564
his innocence from the
beginning of this matter.
1114
01:03:38,774 --> 01:03:42,276
He still, maintains
that innocence.
1115
01:03:42,486 --> 01:03:45,988
He was a big character,
he was flamboyant.
1116
01:03:46,198 --> 01:03:48,032
-I love you.
-Hi Johnnie.
1117
01:03:49,576 --> 01:03:51,035
We were talking about
different styles of lawyering
1118
01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:52,244
and how you make a case to jury
1119
01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:53,621
and one of the things he said
1120
01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:55,206
about predominately
African American juries,
1121
01:03:55,415 --> 01:03:57,291
he goes "Jimmy," which is
what he used to call me,
1122
01:03:57,542 --> 01:03:58,667
he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big."
1123
01:03:58,877 --> 01:03:59,418
(laughing)
1124
01:03:59,628 --> 01:04:01,420
And he liked to be big.
1125
01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:08,552
(drums playing)
1126
01:04:16,728 --> 01:04:20,606
My daughter was in
the Watts parade and
1127
01:04:20,816 --> 01:04:23,734
Johnnie Cochran was
the grand marshal.
1128
01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:29,698
He said, "I want to see
you guys at the trial."
1129
01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:34,829
I hadn't planned to go,
but since he asked me,
1130
01:04:36,581 --> 01:04:38,123
I said, well Johnnie
wants me to come, and
1131
01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:40,459
he asked me to come, so
I'm coming down here.
1132
01:04:40,669 --> 01:04:43,462
I'm gonna find a way
to get here every day.
1133
01:04:43,672 --> 01:04:46,882
(dramatic music)
1134
01:04:47,092 --> 01:04:49,885
OJ Simpson is about to appear
in a Los Angeles courtroom.
1135
01:04:50,095 --> 01:04:51,345
He's going to enter a plea,
1136
01:04:51,555 --> 01:04:53,264
a date for trial is going to be set,
1137
01:04:53,473 --> 01:04:57,685
and a judge to oversee the
trial is going to be appointed.
1138
01:04:57,894 --> 01:05:02,314
This is the time set for the
arraignment of Mr. Simpson.
1139
01:05:02,524 --> 01:05:05,943
Mr. Simpson you are charged
with the crime of murder.
1140
01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:07,653
Are you ready to enter
a plea at this time?
1141
01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:08,988
Yes, your honor.
1142
01:05:09,197 --> 01:05:11,407
How do you plea to
counts one and two?
1143
01:05:11,616 --> 01:05:14,910
Absolutely 100% not guilty.
1144
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,706
That's what I want to
hear, you're not guilty.
1145
01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:20,082
He was back on
his feet and ready
1146
01:05:20,292 --> 01:05:22,585
to tell the whole world
that he was wrongly accused.
1147
01:05:22,794 --> 01:05:25,087
And it was just the biggest
bunch of horse shit.
1148
01:05:25,297 --> 01:05:26,755
Thank you, you may be seated.
1149
01:05:26,965 --> 01:05:29,341
But he sold it.
1150
01:05:30,385 --> 01:05:31,635
I gave him a thumbs up.
1151
01:05:31,845 --> 01:05:35,347
And he looked over at
me and he waved at me.
1152
01:05:35,557 --> 01:05:37,516
He was very good looking.
1153
01:05:38,852 --> 01:05:41,520
And that day he was
really good looking.
1154
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:43,439
(laughing)
1155
01:05:43,648 --> 01:05:46,066
I may not have thought he
was a big celebrity but it
1156
01:05:46,276 --> 01:05:49,820
became really clear to me super
fast that he was to others.
1157
01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:52,156
OJ Simpson, I
really admire the guy,
1158
01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:55,117
football, and great actor.
1159
01:05:55,327 --> 01:05:57,786
OJ Simpson has been a
hero of mine since college.
1160
01:05:57,996 --> 01:06:00,581
I think he's a great
man and a a great hero,
1161
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:03,042
and has touched a lot of lives.
1162
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:05,878
I don't think he did it,
1163
01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:08,881
doesn't seem like
that kind of person.
1164
01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:12,760
I'm assigning the
case to Judge Lance Ito.
1165
01:06:12,969 --> 01:06:15,679
Judge Ito is an
acceptable fashion.
1166
01:06:17,641 --> 01:06:19,600
Judge Ito will be accepted
for the people as well.
1167
01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:24,063
Very well, thank you,
then that is the assignment.
1168
01:06:24,272 --> 01:06:26,690
Here's the first time we'll
really get to see the system.
1169
01:06:26,942 --> 01:06:28,609
To see if it really works.
1170
01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:32,112
For someone with some
money, a celebrity.
1171
01:06:33,406 --> 01:06:37,117
A well loved, respected,
cherished type of man.
1172
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:42,414
Now, let's see if
justice can work for him.
1173
01:06:49,172 --> 01:06:51,799
(dramatic music)
1174
01:06:59,182 --> 01:07:01,183
There's nothing more important
1175
01:07:01,393 --> 01:07:05,396
during a jury trial, than
the selection of your jury.
1176
01:07:08,483 --> 01:07:11,944
You can win or lose
you case right there.
1177
01:07:12,988 --> 01:07:16,031
The issue of where
to conduct the trial,
1178
01:07:16,241 --> 01:07:20,285
the Santa Monica court house,
largely white jury pool.
1179
01:07:21,955 --> 01:07:24,999
Downtown LA, largely
black jury pool.
1180
01:07:26,292 --> 01:07:27,668
Gil Garcetti, the
DA, always said,
1181
01:07:27,877 --> 01:07:30,963
"Well it just logistically
had to be downtown."
1182
01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:32,673
A lot of us thought
that Gil Garcetti,
1183
01:07:32,882 --> 01:07:36,468
elected official,
needed to protect
1184
01:07:36,678 --> 01:07:39,304
his reputation in
the black community,
1185
01:07:39,514 --> 01:07:43,308
a big voting block, by
keeping the case downtown.
1186
01:07:43,518 --> 01:07:46,061
I'm confident
that we can, indeed,
1187
01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:49,898
find white, black,
brown, every color juror
1188
01:07:50,108 --> 01:07:54,903
there is, who will, indeed,
be fair and impartial.
1189
01:07:55,113 --> 01:07:58,907
I think it would have
been societally better,
1190
01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:03,620
from the DA's perspective,
to win a conviction downtown.
1191
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:05,748
And to not be accused
of having stacked this,
1192
01:08:05,957 --> 01:08:07,750
in such a way that
whites were to
1193
01:08:07,959 --> 01:08:10,669
stand in judgment of black men.
1194
01:08:13,131 --> 01:08:14,548
If you have a
juror who believes
1195
01:08:14,758 --> 01:08:18,927
police never do anything
wrong, you're in tough shape.
1196
01:08:19,137 --> 01:08:21,597
Certainly, you can
find most people,
1197
01:08:21,806 --> 01:08:23,932
want to believe their
police officers are
1198
01:08:24,184 --> 01:08:25,309
fair and want to
do their job and so
1199
01:08:25,518 --> 01:08:27,895
that's a given, you
start with that,
1200
01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:29,229
but you've got to
find that person who
1201
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:30,939
understands that
in the real world
1202
01:08:31,149 --> 01:08:33,942
that doesn't happen
all the time.
1203
01:08:36,905 --> 01:08:40,240
We interviewed over
5000 people in Los Angeles
1204
01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:42,785
in preparation for
the OJ Simpson trial.
1205
01:08:42,994 --> 01:08:45,913
The conclusions were that
1206
01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:48,874
just presenting the
straight up evidence,
1207
01:08:49,084 --> 01:08:51,001
you weren't going
to get a lot of
1208
01:08:51,211 --> 01:08:54,963
sympathetic African
American females,
1209
01:08:55,173 --> 01:08:57,883
many harbored a
resentment that this
1210
01:08:58,093 --> 01:09:00,427
famous athlete,
this charming guy,
1211
01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:02,763
had a married a
white, blonde woman
1212
01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:06,475
rather than someone
from his own community.
1213
01:09:06,684 --> 01:09:10,813
But the antagonism was
to her and not him.
1214
01:09:11,064 --> 01:09:13,524
OJ you look
gorgeous right now.
1215
01:09:14,984 --> 01:09:17,444
How come you're
so loyal to this man
1216
01:09:17,654 --> 01:09:20,280
who married a white woman?
1217
01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:24,535
And was dating her while he
was married to a black woman.
1218
01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:27,913
I mean, doesn't any of this make
1219
01:09:28,123 --> 01:09:31,125
you feel a little
less defensive of him.
1220
01:09:32,043 --> 01:09:34,336
Marcia Clark had this
1221
01:09:34,587 --> 01:09:37,881
faith about her
ability to connect
1222
01:09:38,091 --> 01:09:40,384
with African American woman.
1223
01:09:41,886 --> 01:09:43,095
African American
women had been some
1224
01:09:43,346 --> 01:09:45,264
of my best jurors
on previous cases.
1225
01:09:45,473 --> 01:09:48,142
Even when the defendant
was an African American.
1226
01:09:48,351 --> 01:09:50,060
There was just a way,
an easy way I had,
1227
01:09:50,270 --> 01:09:52,396
that I could talk to them.
1228
01:09:52,605 --> 01:09:53,814
Now, we will show
you the other side
1229
01:09:54,065 --> 01:09:56,233
of the smiling face that you
saw on the Hertz commercial.
1230
01:09:56,442 --> 01:09:58,861
We had trial simulations
1231
01:09:59,070 --> 01:10:00,696
The one you never
saw on camera.
1232
01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:04,950
Marcia was not
received positively.
1233
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,620
Marcia Clark, every
black woman, bitch.
1234
01:10:11,791 --> 01:10:12,916
When they had the mock jury,
1235
01:10:13,126 --> 01:10:14,626
the mock trial, and
some of the comments
1236
01:10:14,836 --> 01:10:16,336
came back about you,
about maybe being
1237
01:10:16,588 --> 01:10:17,838
really hard or
tough, what did you
1238
01:10:18,047 --> 01:10:19,756
think when you
heard some of that.
1239
01:10:19,966 --> 01:10:23,051
I was very surprised,
the balance of them
1240
01:10:23,303 --> 01:10:25,971
said good things, so,
you know, the media
1241
01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:28,265
takes one kernel
and blows it up into
1242
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:30,184
a huge bowl of popcorn.
1243
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:33,854
Marcia tended to discount the
1244
01:10:34,105 --> 01:10:36,064
fact that black
women jurors didn't
1245
01:10:36,274 --> 01:10:39,067
seem to appreciate
her very much.
1246
01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,945
I had no illusions about what
1247
01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:44,281
I was going to be up against.
1248
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:45,699
The odds were stacked against us
1249
01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,159
in terms of the
African American jurors
1250
01:10:47,368 --> 01:10:50,162
because that's what
the polls showed.
1251
01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:51,413
A California poll, released
1252
01:10:51,664 --> 01:10:53,999
today, found that
only 10% of blacks,
1253
01:10:54,209 --> 01:10:55,959
who were surveyed,
believed it is very
1254
01:10:56,211 --> 01:10:58,086
likely that Simpson was guilty.
1255
01:11:00,089 --> 01:11:03,091
The ideal juror
would have been
1256
01:11:03,343 --> 01:11:05,886
younger, i.e.
someone not familiar
1257
01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:09,181
with Simpson at the
high of his fame,
1258
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:11,350
Asian, or probably white.
1259
01:11:13,770 --> 01:11:15,562
All we want, just give me,
1260
01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:20,359
12 fair, responsible,
unbiased jurors
1261
01:11:20,568 --> 01:11:22,194
who are going to follow the law
1262
01:11:22,403 --> 01:11:25,030
and put aside their
personal feelings
1263
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,867
and do what the court
and the law requires.
1264
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:37,709
In Los Angeles today,
the judge and lawyers
1265
01:11:37,919 --> 01:11:39,503
in the OJ Simpson
murder trial began
1266
01:11:39,712 --> 01:11:43,173
interviewing prospective
jurors face to face.
1267
01:11:49,514 --> 01:11:51,765
Just to set the scene for you,
1268
01:11:51,975 --> 01:11:53,642
when all the jurors walk in,
1269
01:11:53,851 --> 01:11:57,229
all the attorneys are lined
up like a receiving line,
1270
01:11:57,438 --> 01:12:00,107
and several times
during the proceedings,
1271
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:02,484
OJ Simpson would
turn and seem to
1272
01:12:02,694 --> 01:12:04,069
make eye contact with people,
1273
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:08,156
and occasionally smile at
people in the audience.
1274
01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:39,813
The quest for
impartial jurors has
1275
01:12:40,064 --> 01:12:43,066
been going on now for
more than a month.
1276
01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:50,949
They called me to the chair.
1277
01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:54,995
When I sat down, I didn't
even put my purse down.
1278
01:12:55,204 --> 01:12:57,289
Because I felt like it was
going to be that quick.
1279
01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:59,124
They were going to
say, you're excused.
1280
01:12:59,334 --> 01:13:00,208
I'm looking at the list,
1281
01:13:00,418 --> 01:13:01,877
I know what's coming up.
1282
01:13:02,086 --> 01:13:03,003
I know who's left behind me.
1283
01:13:03,212 --> 01:13:04,379
I know what I've got in the box.
1284
01:13:04,589 --> 01:13:05,714
I have to look and see,
1285
01:13:05,923 --> 01:13:08,050
am I going to do
better or worse.
1286
01:13:08,259 --> 01:13:11,011
There was a process,
of what I have labeled
1287
01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:12,721
as reverse Darwinism,
1288
01:13:14,349 --> 01:13:17,351
I call it the survival
of the most unfit jurors.
1289
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:18,393
Many it seems want to watch,
1290
01:13:18,603 --> 01:13:21,188
but fewer wish to serve.
1291
01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:23,523
91 of 219 people summoned for
1292
01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:25,650
Simpson jury duty, said
in a questionnaire,
1293
01:13:25,902 --> 01:13:29,946
a likely 6 month trial would
be too great a hardship.
1294
01:13:33,493 --> 01:13:35,827
I think it's the
only way, to assure
1295
01:13:36,037 --> 01:13:41,666
that we are going to have a
fair trial for both sides.
1296
01:13:43,002 --> 01:13:47,255
Jurors who were
available for six months
1297
01:13:47,507 --> 01:13:53,303
skewed heavily towards
a lower socioeconomic
1298
01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:59,518
strata of jurors and a much
more diverse jury pool.
1299
01:13:59,727 --> 01:14:01,269
A lot of smart jurors
who might have been
1300
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,524
open to DNA scientific evidence
simply went by the wayside.
1301
01:14:07,485 --> 01:14:10,987
We didn't have many
of our type of juror.
1302
01:14:12,698 --> 01:14:14,282
I thought, okay, I better
quit while I'm behind
1303
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,701
and not get further
behind because it was
1304
01:14:16,911 --> 01:14:19,830
only going to go
downhill from there.
1305
01:14:21,332 --> 01:14:22,666
They said, "Your
Honor we accept,"
1306
01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:27,003
and at that point,
I sunk in my chair.
1307
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:29,089
I was stunned.
1308
01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:34,177
Oh my God, oh my God,
and I told my daughter,
1309
01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:38,723
and she said, "Oh
Mother, oh my God."
1310
01:14:41,394 --> 01:14:44,354
And my son, he said,
"Oh my God, Mother."
1311
01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:49,776
And that was it.
1312
01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:54,072
In the end, we did the
best we could with a bad lot.
1313
01:14:56,409 --> 01:14:59,453
We wound up with eight
African American women,
1314
01:14:59,704 --> 01:15:02,247
I thought, you know it
will be an uphill battle
1315
01:15:02,457 --> 01:15:04,082
but I think they'll listen.
1316
01:15:04,292 --> 01:15:06,835
Thrilled, we're thrilled.
1317
01:15:07,044 --> 01:15:09,254
We were so stunned
1318
01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:13,300
that we had such a large
collection of favorable jurors.
1319
01:15:14,552 --> 01:15:18,472
75% of the actual
jurors believed
1320
01:15:19,432 --> 01:15:21,725
that he could not have
committed these murders
1321
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:25,312
because he excelled
at football at USC.
1322
01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:26,563
The only thing
that could get you
1323
01:15:26,772 --> 01:15:27,981
through some times is that guys
1324
01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:30,400
look at each other and
say, hey man, we are SC.
1325
01:15:30,610 --> 01:15:32,944
(laughing)
1326
01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:36,114
We were about to walk in to
1327
01:15:36,324 --> 01:15:38,408
the lockup from the court room.
1328
01:15:38,618 --> 01:15:41,828
OJ looked back one last time,
1329
01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:43,163
it was me, Johnnie, we were going
1330
01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:44,956
back to talk about everything
1331
01:15:45,166 --> 01:15:48,710
and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury
1332
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,339
convicts me, maybe I did do it."
1333
01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:04,434
(birds chirping)
1334
01:16:05,478 --> 01:16:08,271
(orchestral music)
1335
01:16:16,989 --> 01:16:21,076
It has taken seven months
to reach this point.
1336
01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:24,704
We are, and I
think the client,
1337
01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:26,998
is really, really
pleased, that we
1338
01:16:27,208 --> 01:16:31,211
can have someone stand up and
speak to the triers of fact.
1339
01:16:32,505 --> 01:16:35,131
Time to stop posturing.
1340
01:16:35,383 --> 01:16:36,383
Let's go to trial.
1341
01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:39,344
Have a good one everybody.
1342
01:16:39,554 --> 01:16:44,474
Five, four, three, two, one
1343
01:16:49,146 --> 01:16:52,607
Council and the
audience please be seated.
1344
01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,403
Alright, are both sides prepared
to go forward, Mr. Cochran?
1345
01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:57,362
We are, your Honor.
1346
01:16:57,572 --> 01:16:58,280
Ms. Clark?
1347
01:16:58,489 --> 01:16:59,447
Yes, we are, your Honor.
1348
01:16:59,657 --> 01:17:00,365
Alright, do the people wish
1349
01:17:00,575 --> 01:17:01,241
to make an opening statement?
1350
01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:03,034
Yes we do.
1351
01:17:03,244 --> 01:17:04,286
Alright, you may proceed.
1352
01:17:04,495 --> 01:17:06,454
Mr. Darden, thank you.
1353
01:17:08,416 --> 01:17:10,292
When we started off,
1354
01:17:10,543 --> 01:17:14,421
the prosecution had
their team of lawyers.
1355
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:17,924
Your Honor Judge
Ito, Mr. Cochran,
1356
01:17:18,134 --> 01:17:20,510
Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman.
1357
01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,680
And here's this new
face at the table.
1358
01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:25,640
And to you ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
1359
01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:27,517
Good morning.
1360
01:17:27,727 --> 01:17:30,312
And I'm like, why did
they bring him here?
1361
01:17:30,521 --> 01:17:31,271
And we're here today,
1362
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,733
obviously, to resolve an issue,
1363
01:17:34,942 --> 01:17:36,109
to settle a question,
1364
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:38,278
a question that has
been on the minds of
1365
01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:41,489
people throughout the country
these last seven months.
1366
01:17:41,699 --> 01:17:42,824
Certainly has been on the mind
1367
01:17:43,034 --> 01:17:44,326
of my people up in
Richmond, California
1368
01:17:44,535 --> 01:17:46,494
and friends in
Fayetteville, Georgia
1369
01:17:46,746 --> 01:17:47,537
and all across the country and
1370
01:17:47,747 --> 01:17:50,624
everybody wants to
know, did OJ Simpson
1371
01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:54,044
really kill Nicole Brown
and Ronald Goldman?
1372
01:17:56,339 --> 01:18:02,093
It was apparent to
everyone in America,
1373
01:18:02,303 --> 01:18:04,512
why he was now on the case.
1374
01:18:06,265 --> 01:18:08,266
Well, certainly
because he was black.
1375
01:18:08,476 --> 01:18:10,518
That was everybody-
because he was a good lawyer.
1376
01:18:10,728 --> 01:18:12,312
He's a good lawyer, we
needed to add to the team.
1377
01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:15,899
Strengthen the team up,
that's the party line.
1378
01:18:17,568 --> 01:18:21,154
I thought Chris was a
very good trial lawyer.
1379
01:18:21,364 --> 01:18:23,865
Any questions for Chris?
1380
01:18:24,075 --> 01:18:25,492
He was young, he was learning.
1381
01:18:25,743 --> 01:18:27,160
Come on, man, come on.
1382
01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:30,372
Look at this guy, come on,
we have to drag him over.
1383
01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:32,374
But he was very good.
1384
01:18:33,751 --> 01:18:36,544
There was a little
bit of cockiness.
1385
01:18:36,754 --> 01:18:39,923
But it was not an
offensive cockiness.
1386
01:18:40,132 --> 01:18:41,299
I don't care
what anybody says,
1387
01:18:41,509 --> 01:18:42,759
I dress much better
than Johnnie Cochran.
1388
01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:44,094
(laughing)
1389
01:18:44,345 --> 01:18:46,388
Johnnie, I'm going to
introduce you to my,
1390
01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:49,808
well I'm gonna show you the
rack where I buy my suits.
1391
01:18:50,017 --> 01:18:50,892
He had a pretty
good reputation
1392
01:18:51,143 --> 01:18:53,520
as someone who can build a case.
1393
01:18:55,106 --> 01:18:59,526
And of course, most
notably, Chris was black.
1394
01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:05,407
And Marcia and I were not.
1395
01:19:07,868 --> 01:19:10,620
You hear a lot about
this talk about justice.
1396
01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:12,414
I guess, Dr. Martin
Luther King said it best,
1397
01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:14,874
when he said that,
injustice anywhere
1398
01:19:15,084 --> 01:19:17,585
is a threat to
justice everywhere.
1399
01:19:17,795 --> 01:19:21,631
So, we are now, embarked
upon this search for justice.
1400
01:19:23,134 --> 01:19:25,927
I have to tell you
personally, for all the cases
1401
01:19:26,137 --> 01:19:28,763
I've tried, I never
felt so white.
1402
01:19:30,099 --> 01:19:32,100
It seems to me that
the fact that blood
1403
01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:35,687
mysteriously appears on
vital pieces of evidence
1404
01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:40,483
and it's predicted what the
results will be regarding DNA,
1405
01:19:40,693 --> 01:19:43,987
when that evidence is
still in the police lab,
1406
01:19:44,196 --> 01:19:48,241
is devastating evidence of
something far more sinister.
1407
01:19:49,618 --> 01:19:54,873
Using the concept of a
conspiracy, historically,
1408
01:19:55,082 --> 01:19:59,961
in Los Angeles will resonate
with diverse jurors,
1409
01:20:00,171 --> 01:20:02,547
who know about this history.
1410
01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:07,469
You had to have
someone to blame.
1411
01:20:09,263 --> 01:20:12,390
Detective Mark Fuhrman,
now it's very interesting,
1412
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,518
that the prosecution never once
1413
01:20:15,728 --> 01:20:17,520
mentioned his name yesterday.
1414
01:20:17,730 --> 01:20:19,481
It's like they just
want to hide him,
1415
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:23,485
but they can't hide him, he's
very much a part of this case.
1416
01:20:25,321 --> 01:20:29,115
Chris Darden
saw that this case
1417
01:20:29,325 --> 01:20:35,163
was becoming this weird
referendum on the LAPD,
1418
01:20:37,625 --> 01:20:39,918
on the history of
race in Los Angeles.
1419
01:20:41,462 --> 01:20:44,672
And Chris, he
understood those issues.
1420
01:20:45,925 --> 01:20:49,677
He had worked in what
was then our SID unit,
1421
01:20:49,887 --> 01:20:53,640
which investigated
police abuse cases.
1422
01:20:54,683 --> 01:20:56,142
They obtained those warrants
1423
01:20:56,352 --> 01:20:59,646
simply to level and make
uninhabitable those locations.
1424
01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:01,523
Any of the police
officers that were
1425
01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:04,317
called to testify by
us, lied on the stand,
1426
01:21:04,527 --> 01:21:07,695
it was obvious to everyone
that they were lying.
1427
01:21:07,947 --> 01:21:13,701
Every black lawyer idolized
Johnnie Cochran in 1994.
1428
01:21:14,745 --> 01:21:20,500
And I say, Chris Darden
wanted to out-Johnnie, Johnnie.
1429
01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,254
He wanted to beat the man
1430
01:21:25,089 --> 01:21:29,175
on the biggest
stage of his career.
1431
01:21:35,015 --> 01:21:36,474
Police detective Mark Fuhrman,
1432
01:21:36,684 --> 01:21:40,603
did he find or plant a bloody
glove at Simpson's estate?
1433
01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:42,730
Judge Lance Ito
must soon decide
1434
01:21:42,982 --> 01:21:44,148
whether the jury gets to hear
1435
01:21:44,358 --> 01:21:47,652
about detective
Fuhrman's checkered past.
1436
01:21:49,113 --> 01:21:51,990
We knew Fuhrman was going
to be an important witness.
1437
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:54,659
People had indicated that
he had used racist language
1438
01:21:54,869 --> 01:21:58,371
in an offensive way,
in a way that, I think, jurors
1439
01:21:58,622 --> 01:22:00,874
and everybody else
would not like.
1440
01:22:01,083 --> 01:22:03,001
The N word, or any
other racial epithet,
1441
01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:06,754
has an inflammatory effect,
that is incomparable,
1442
01:22:06,964 --> 01:22:09,382
and to that specific issue,
1443
01:22:09,592 --> 01:22:11,509
Mr. Darden wishes to
address the court, and
1444
01:22:11,719 --> 01:22:14,804
I think I'll conclude my
comments at this time.
1445
01:22:15,014 --> 01:22:17,473
Mr. Darden, good morning.
1446
01:22:17,683 --> 01:22:20,268
Good morning, your Honor.
1447
01:22:20,477 --> 01:22:21,728
Your honor, I think
the best indication
1448
01:22:21,937 --> 01:22:23,646
or evidence on just
how inflammatory
1449
01:22:23,856 --> 01:22:26,441
the use of the word
is, is the fact
1450
01:22:26,650 --> 01:22:28,860
that it appears that
Mr. Cochran and I,
1451
01:22:29,069 --> 01:22:31,905
the only two black lead lawyers
1452
01:22:32,114 --> 01:22:33,823
on each side of
the council table
1453
01:22:34,033 --> 01:22:35,700
are some how dragged
into this issue,
1454
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:38,036
to argue the issue to the court.
1455
01:22:38,245 --> 01:22:42,665
They used him to
make the argument,
1456
01:22:42,875 --> 01:22:45,668
that an African American jury
1457
01:22:45,878 --> 01:22:49,505
can not listen to the
utterance of that word
1458
01:22:49,715 --> 01:22:53,760
in some sort of
dispassionate, objective way.
1459
01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:55,303
It blinds people.
1460
01:22:56,889 --> 01:22:57,805
It will blind the jury.
1461
01:22:58,015 --> 01:23:00,016
It will blind them to the truth.
1462
01:23:00,267 --> 01:23:03,686
They won't be able to discern
what's true and what's not.
1463
01:23:03,896 --> 01:23:05,563
He hit the nail
right on the head.
1464
01:23:05,773 --> 01:23:07,065
He said, if you
do this, you know,
1465
01:23:07,274 --> 01:23:09,525
then that's all that this
case is gonna be about.
1466
01:23:09,735 --> 01:23:12,987
All they'll think about is
frame up, frame up, frame up.
1467
01:23:13,197 --> 01:23:14,322
All they do is mention the word,
1468
01:23:14,531 --> 01:23:16,741
say to Mark Fuhrman,
hey did you ever
1469
01:23:16,951 --> 01:23:19,243
use that N word, and he'll
say, "Yeah," and it's over.
1470
01:23:19,453 --> 01:23:21,746
He must have planted the glove.
1471
01:23:21,956 --> 01:23:24,707
I remember
whispering to Johnnie,
1472
01:23:24,917 --> 01:23:26,042
is this nigger serious?
1473
01:23:26,251 --> 01:23:28,211
And I'm not saying
Mark Fuhrman is a racist
1474
01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:29,837
Is this nigger crazy?
1475
01:23:30,047 --> 01:23:31,172
He was suffering
from stress and
1476
01:23:31,423 --> 01:23:32,507
it has to be stressful to be a
1477
01:23:32,716 --> 01:23:33,841
police officer in
the city of LA,
1478
01:23:34,051 --> 01:23:35,093
geez the stuff that is going on
1479
01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:38,638
in this city in the
last five to six years.
1480
01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:39,847
Is he serious?
1481
01:23:41,266 --> 01:23:43,768
Or is he just carrying
the white man's bucket?
1482
01:23:43,978 --> 01:23:45,061
It will give them a test, and
1483
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:46,771
the test will be,
who's side are you on?
1484
01:23:47,022 --> 01:23:49,399
The side of the
white prosecutors and
the white policemen
1485
01:23:49,608 --> 01:23:51,317
or on the side of the
black defendant and
1486
01:23:51,527 --> 01:23:55,196
his very prominent and
capable black lawyer.
1487
01:23:55,406 --> 01:23:57,699
That's what it's gonna
do, either you're
1488
01:23:57,908 --> 01:24:01,244
with the man or you're
with the brothers.
1489
01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:04,664
I must say, and
this is one of those
1490
01:24:04,873 --> 01:24:06,624
sort of bracing
moments, this is why you
1491
01:24:06,834 --> 01:24:08,793
need diversity in
newsrooms, by the way,
1492
01:24:09,003 --> 01:24:10,128
is that I came out
of there thinking
1493
01:24:10,337 --> 01:24:12,005
that Darden made a
pretty good point.
1494
01:24:12,214 --> 01:24:13,673
That it's such a shocking word,
1495
01:24:13,882 --> 01:24:17,301
that I found myself
flinching at the use of it.
1496
01:24:17,511 --> 01:24:18,845
My colleague, Andrea Ford,
1497
01:24:19,054 --> 01:24:21,681
an African American
women, was outraged.
1498
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:23,558
She felt it was really insulting
1499
01:24:23,767 --> 01:24:25,685
to blacks, to African Americans,
1500
01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:26,811
to think they
couldn't hear the word
1501
01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:29,772
and give it the proper weight.
1502
01:24:30,024 --> 01:24:32,900
And I remember thinking,
after talking to Andrea,
1503
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:35,695
wow, that didn't
really occur to me.
1504
01:24:35,904 --> 01:24:37,947
It is a reminder,
that who we are
1505
01:24:38,157 --> 01:24:40,825
and how we're brought up does
affect the way we hear things.
1506
01:24:41,035 --> 01:24:41,951
Thank you very
much, Judge Ito.
1507
01:24:42,161 --> 01:24:44,078
I have a funeral
to attend today but
1508
01:24:44,288 --> 01:24:47,373
I would be remiss were
I not at this time
1509
01:24:47,583 --> 01:24:48,750
to take this
opportunity to respond
1510
01:24:48,959 --> 01:24:51,586
to my good friend,
Mr. Chris Darden.
1511
01:24:51,795 --> 01:24:53,796
When Johnnie gets angry,
which is very rare,
1512
01:24:54,006 --> 01:24:58,676
you know, he's remarkably
articulate and good.
1513
01:24:58,886 --> 01:25:00,845
Johnnie got angry that day.
1514
01:25:01,055 --> 01:25:02,847
His remarks this morning
1515
01:25:03,057 --> 01:25:04,432
are perhaps the most
incredible remarks
1516
01:25:04,641 --> 01:25:07,101
I've heard in the court of law
1517
01:25:07,311 --> 01:25:09,729
in the 32 years I've
been practicing law.
1518
01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:14,817
His remarks are demeaning to
African Americans as a group.
1519
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:18,279
And so I want, before
I go to this funeral,
1520
01:25:18,489 --> 01:25:21,908
to apologize to African
Americans across this country.
1521
01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:24,702
African Americans live
with offensive words,
1522
01:25:24,912 --> 01:25:26,996
offensive looks,
offensive treatment
1523
01:25:27,206 --> 01:25:29,082
every day of their lives.
1524
01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:35,088
To say they can't be fair
is absolutely outrageous.
1525
01:25:35,297 --> 01:25:37,340
I am ashamed
1526
01:25:37,549 --> 01:25:39,717
that Mr. Darden would
allow himself to
1527
01:25:39,927 --> 01:25:42,470
become an apologist
for this man.
1528
01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:47,809
You can't justify that
in a civilized society.
1529
01:25:48,018 --> 01:25:51,604
Nobody wants introduce race
into this case, your honor.
1530
01:25:51,814 --> 01:25:52,772
Johnnie was dying
to get the word
1531
01:25:53,023 --> 01:25:54,816
"nigger" in front of the jury.
1532
01:25:55,067 --> 01:25:57,652
He also did it in such a way
1533
01:25:57,903 --> 01:26:00,196
that, frankly, he made
Darden look ridiculous.
1534
01:26:00,405 --> 01:26:01,948
To come here and testify
as an expert to you
1535
01:26:02,157 --> 01:26:03,950
of what black people
think in America.
1536
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,744
All across America,
today, believe me
1537
01:26:06,954 --> 01:26:09,330
black people are offended
at this very moment.
1538
01:26:09,581 --> 01:26:12,166
I think that Johnnie
was rough on him.
1539
01:26:12,376 --> 01:26:14,085
I think it hurt his feelings.
1540
01:26:14,294 --> 01:26:15,461
A lot of people
thought that Chris
1541
01:26:15,671 --> 01:26:18,256
would end up at
the Cochran firm.
1542
01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:21,259
And, obviously,
that didn't happen.
1543
01:26:22,553 --> 01:26:24,137
People had contempt
for him because
1544
01:26:24,388 --> 01:26:28,307
they felt like he was a
tool that was being used.
1545
01:26:29,393 --> 01:26:30,935
It's a time to not
to do things that
1546
01:26:31,186 --> 01:26:34,063
it seems to me will last
a person's entire career
1547
01:26:34,273 --> 01:26:37,775
such as insulting a
whole race of people
1548
01:26:38,026 --> 01:26:40,027
who have meant so
much to this country.
1549
01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:43,948
Let's be clear about
this, the subtext
1550
01:26:44,158 --> 01:26:46,409
of everything that
Johnnie Cochran said
1551
01:26:46,618 --> 01:26:49,203
about Chris Darden
was, Uncle Tom.
1552
01:26:51,165 --> 01:26:53,791
And it was egregiously unfair.
1553
01:26:55,836 --> 01:26:57,545
Johnnie Cochran,
among other things,
1554
01:26:57,754 --> 01:27:00,882
tried OJ was an African
American defendant.
1555
01:27:01,091 --> 01:27:03,384
When OJ Simpson
didn't really have
1556
01:27:03,594 --> 01:27:07,597
much of a reputation as an
African American person, really.
1557
01:27:08,974 --> 01:27:10,141
I used to walk
on the wild side,
1558
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:12,685
now I just take a brisk walk.
1559
01:27:15,731 --> 01:27:17,940
This was not a person
that you thought of as a,
1560
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:21,694
kind of, iconic black
figure in Los Angeles.
1561
01:27:21,945 --> 01:27:25,615
I mean, he lived two
blocks from Mayor Riordan.
1562
01:27:28,035 --> 01:27:30,912
(dramatic music)
1563
01:27:32,164 --> 01:27:34,957
We wanted the
jury to see Bundy
1564
01:27:35,167 --> 01:27:36,542
but the defense
said, well if we're
1565
01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:40,880
going to do that, we
have to go to Rockingham.
1566
01:27:41,089 --> 01:27:42,256
They do not need
to go to Rockingham
1567
01:27:42,507 --> 01:27:45,551
but if they do, show them
where they found the glove.
1568
01:27:45,761 --> 01:27:49,096
That's all that
arguably relevant.
1569
01:27:49,348 --> 01:27:51,224
(police radios)
1570
01:27:51,433 --> 01:27:53,476
We come to find
that Ito was going
1571
01:27:53,685 --> 01:27:56,020
to let them go into Rockingham.
1572
01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:57,104
He's going to march the jury
1573
01:27:57,314 --> 01:27:58,189
through the inside of the house,
1574
01:27:58,398 --> 01:28:00,316
which is relevant to what?
1575
01:28:00,525 --> 01:28:02,443
No part of the crime
happened inside the house.
1576
01:28:02,653 --> 01:28:04,487
What are we doing there?
1577
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:13,454
What we did that day
is create an illusion.
1578
01:28:13,705 --> 01:28:18,125
When you would walk
up the grand staircase
1579
01:28:18,752 --> 01:28:22,463
there was a large wall with
pictures of the family,
1580
01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:24,966
pictures of friends,
1581
01:28:26,718 --> 01:28:29,262
pictures of OJ's career,
1582
01:28:29,471 --> 01:28:33,391
problem was the
overwhelming majority of
1583
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,896
pictures were of Caucasian
friends and colleagues of his.
1584
01:28:42,985 --> 01:28:45,987
We had an African American jury
1585
01:28:46,196 --> 01:28:50,908
and we wanted to make
sure that the home setting
1586
01:28:51,952 --> 01:28:55,997
would reflect the themes
that we wanted to reflect.
1587
01:28:57,582 --> 01:28:58,791
We took all of his
white friends down.
1588
01:28:59,001 --> 01:29:01,460
Put all of his black people up.
1589
01:29:01,670 --> 01:29:05,089
Pictures he probably
had never seen before
1590
01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:07,800
because that is
what we were told
1591
01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:10,136
the jury would identify with.
1592
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:13,180
We made him blacker.
1593
01:29:13,932 --> 01:29:17,184
There was a Norman
Rockwell lithograph
1594
01:29:18,478 --> 01:29:20,896
that we took from
Johnnie's office
1595
01:29:23,191 --> 01:29:27,069
and we put that picture at
the very top of the stairs.
1596
01:29:30,115 --> 01:29:34,160
We did not remove all of his
pictures with white people.
1597
01:29:35,370 --> 01:29:36,912
The whole house
would have been gone,
1598
01:29:37,122 --> 01:29:40,791
would have been dark,
we didn't do that.
1599
01:29:41,001 --> 01:29:45,254
You have got to be kidding
me, it's night and day.
1600
01:29:45,505 --> 01:29:47,006
This was an African
American man's house.
1601
01:29:47,215 --> 01:29:51,427
Who had no associations with
any white guys whatsoever.
1602
01:29:51,636 --> 01:29:55,431
Marcia saw the wall
1603
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,185
and she said, "Carl, you
know damn well, he has never
1604
01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:04,065
had this many black people on
his wall, his entire life."
1605
01:30:04,274 --> 01:30:07,068
I said, "Marcia, what
are talking about?
1606
01:30:07,277 --> 01:30:11,238
How dare you accuse
us of such things."
1607
01:30:11,448 --> 01:30:14,450
I was miserable, I was angry.
1608
01:30:14,701 --> 01:30:16,702
That is very dirty pool.
1609
01:30:16,912 --> 01:30:18,579
If we had had a Latin jury,
1610
01:30:18,789 --> 01:30:20,623
we would have had a picture
of him in a sombrero,
1611
01:30:20,832 --> 01:30:25,169
there would have been a
mariachi band out front,
1612
01:30:25,379 --> 01:30:28,714
we would have had a pinata
at the upper staircase.
1613
01:30:28,924 --> 01:30:30,383
I objected, we went outside,
1614
01:30:30,592 --> 01:30:32,009
we convened a
hearing and I said,
1615
01:30:32,219 --> 01:30:34,011
this has no
relevance whatsoever.
1616
01:30:34,262 --> 01:30:35,221
They've now changed the scene.
1617
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:36,806
It was never relevant
to begin with
1618
01:30:37,015 --> 01:30:39,308
and now it's
completely irrelevant.
1619
01:30:39,518 --> 01:30:40,935
You know, the defense is always
1620
01:30:41,186 --> 01:30:43,187
going to push the envelope,
that's what they do.
1621
01:30:43,397 --> 01:30:46,524
It's up to the
judge to stop them.
1622
01:30:46,733 --> 01:30:49,193
Ito let them get away with it.
1623
01:30:50,278 --> 01:30:53,447
(dramatic music)
1624
01:30:53,657 --> 01:30:55,950
All of a sudden
he became black.
1625
01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:00,037
They threw off the cape
and now he's one of them.
1626
01:31:03,208 --> 01:31:05,459
I was surprised
to see the depth
1627
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:07,086
of feeling that
so many people in
1628
01:31:07,295 --> 01:31:08,712
the black community,
certainly those
1629
01:31:08,922 --> 01:31:12,341
around the courthouse,
had for him.
1630
01:31:12,551 --> 01:31:13,509
I feel that he
is not guilty and
1631
01:31:13,718 --> 01:31:15,803
I also feel that he
is being unfairly
1632
01:31:16,012 --> 01:31:17,930
treated as so have
a lot of African
1633
01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:22,852
American persons who have been
through the judicial process.
1634
01:31:23,103 --> 01:31:25,271
I think that you find
among black people,
1635
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:28,065
an incredible amount
of forgiveness
1636
01:31:28,275 --> 01:31:31,026
for anybody living
through the pain
1637
01:31:32,446 --> 01:31:34,780
of being black in America.
1638
01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:36,365
They were not involved with OJ
1639
01:31:36,575 --> 01:31:38,200
in terms of critical thinking.
1640
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:39,285
Why does he mean
so much to you?
1641
01:31:39,494 --> 01:31:41,662
You know, I can't answer that,
1642
01:31:41,872 --> 01:31:42,621
this is just something that's
1643
01:31:42,831 --> 01:31:44,540
really struck a chord with me.
1644
01:31:44,749 --> 01:31:46,500
And I'm just
compelled to be here.
1645
01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:50,254
He was a black man who
was on trial that they
1646
01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:58,387
perceived that white people
were trying to unfairly harm.
1647
01:31:58,597 --> 01:31:59,889
They're trying
to railroad him,
1648
01:32:00,098 --> 01:32:01,140
they need to find the murderer.
1649
01:32:01,349 --> 01:32:03,225
Go out and look
for the murderer.
1650
01:32:03,435 --> 01:32:07,229
He's accused but we
all know he didn't do it.
1651
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:11,317
He was wealthy, he
was powerful, he was
this, he was that,
1652
01:32:11,526 --> 01:32:14,528
there is a B-U-T, but,
1653
01:32:17,282 --> 01:32:18,866
he was black.
1654
01:32:19,075 --> 01:32:20,034
So, he didn't do it?
1655
01:32:20,243 --> 01:32:20,868
No, he didn't do it.
1656
01:32:21,077 --> 01:32:21,785
How do you know?
1657
01:32:21,953 --> 01:32:22,745
I know he didn't do it.
1658
01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:23,579
How do you know?
1659
01:32:23,788 --> 01:32:24,955
I just know.
1660
01:32:25,165 --> 01:32:28,918
You may be at the top
house in Beverly Hills,
1661
01:32:30,504 --> 01:32:35,132
and I may be in the
basement of a place in Watts
1662
01:32:38,595 --> 01:32:40,471
but we are connected.
1663
01:32:50,315 --> 01:32:52,942
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