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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,200 I've got a question. 2 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:26,490 How long do you think we humans have? 3 00:00:26,590 --> 00:00:28,440 How long does the human race have? 4 00:00:28,540 --> 00:00:29,360 Ooh. 5 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:31,290 Um. 6 00:00:31,390 --> 00:00:32,710 Oh, wow. 7 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:34,690 I don't exactly know, but might be soon. 8 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:35,950 I have no clue. 9 00:00:36,050 --> 00:00:36,783 No? 10 00:00:36,883 --> 00:00:38,910 I hope I get me at least 50 more years. 11 00:00:39,010 --> 00:00:41,530 I think there's infinite amount of time. 12 00:00:41,630 --> 00:00:42,590 Infinite. 13 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:44,110 It's infinite, yeah. 14 00:00:44,210 --> 00:00:45,290 I give us a million. 15 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:46,390 A million years. 16 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:48,667 Being kind, I would say probably about 10 years. 17 00:00:48,767 --> 00:00:50,040 10, 12 years. 18 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:51,630 Thousands of years. 19 00:00:51,730 --> 00:00:54,620 47 years, three months, five days. 20 00:00:54,710 --> 00:00:55,580 It's approximate. 21 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,520 We're kind of like cockroaches on the planet, 22 00:00:57,620 --> 00:00:59,580 no matter how much damage we'll do, 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,320 enough of us will survive to procreate and keep it going. 24 00:01:04,420 --> 00:01:05,690 Unless we can get to another planet, 25 00:01:05,790 --> 00:01:08,133 but then we're just gonna fuck it up like we did Earth. 26 00:01:08,233 --> 00:01:10,190 Well, I think that we will be here... 27 00:01:10,290 --> 00:01:13,260 ...for a long time, but we will change. 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,080 We're gonna turn back into apes. 29 00:01:22,580 --> 00:01:25,130 Have you ever wondered what would happen... 30 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:29,395 ...if a single species took over an entire planet? 31 00:01:30,150 --> 00:01:33,805 Maybe they're cute, maybe they're clever... 32 00:01:35,150 --> 00:01:37,150 ...but lack a certain, 33 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:40,280 shall we say, 34 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:42,380 self-restraint? 35 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:47,030 What if they go too far? 36 00:01:48,730 --> 00:01:52,640 What if they go way, way, way, 37 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:55,460 way, way too far? 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,880 How would they know when it's their time to go? 39 00:03:33,230 --> 00:03:34,950 Due to our release through factories... 40 00:03:35,050 --> 00:03:36,500 ...and automobiles every year... 41 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,040 ...of more than six billion tons of carbon dioxide, 42 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:42,640 our atmosphere seems to be getting warmer. 43 00:03:42,740 --> 00:03:44,520 This is bad? 44 00:03:44,620 --> 00:03:47,270 Well, it's been calculated a few degrees rise... 45 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:52,385 ...in the Earth's temperature would melt the polar ice caps. 46 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,460 And if this happens, an inland sea would fill a good portion... 47 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,420 ...of the Mississippi valley. 48 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,210 Foreign weather, we're not only dealing with forces... 49 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:03,750 ...of a far greater variety... 50 00:04:03,850 --> 00:04:06,540 ...than even the atomic physicists encounters, 51 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,640 but with life itself. 52 00:04:12,610 --> 00:04:14,863 That was 1958. 53 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:17,060 We've known about the dangers... 54 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,305 ...of climate change for six decades. 55 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:22,850 Back then, there was so much air pollution... 56 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:26,265 ...it would actually block out the sun. 57 00:04:26,660 --> 00:04:31,420 There was so much water pollution, rivers caught on fire. 58 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:36,110 Forget throwing plastic bottles into the water, 59 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:38,590 we tossed our cars in there. 60 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,210 We also knew someday we'd run out of oil. 61 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:43,520 For millions of Americans, 62 00:04:43,620 --> 00:04:45,900 this may be the worst weekend they've ever faced... 63 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,790 ...for finding gasoline to give them the automobile freedom... 64 00:04:48,890 --> 00:04:51,100 ...they take as their due. 65 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:54,070 I never doubted humans would find a better way... 66 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:56,975 ...and I wanted to be part of it. 67 00:04:57,050 --> 00:04:58,667 A scientist sounded the alarm... 68 00:04:58,767 --> 00:05:01,020 ...and the modern environmental movement was born. 69 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,640 Unless we do bring these chemicals under better control, 70 00:05:03,740 --> 00:05:06,885 we are certainly headed for disaster. 71 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,850 Students all across the country... 72 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:11,480 ...organized the first Earth Day. 73 00:05:11,580 --> 00:05:13,570 This point in time, it's very, very fashionable... 74 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:14,810 ...to talk about the environment... 75 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:17,323 ...but as everyday procedure, find very, 76 00:05:17,423 --> 00:05:20,143 very little concrete being done. 77 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,970 As for me, you might say. 78 00:05:23,070 --> 00:05:25,790 I was an early environmentalist. 79 00:05:26,620 --> 00:05:27,650 When I was nine years old, 80 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:31,890 a bulldozer began knocking down the woods near my home. 81 00:05:31,990 --> 00:05:35,815 I retaliated by putting sand in its gas tank. 82 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,500 When I grew up, I became a tree hugger and moved... 83 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,100 ...to the wilds of Northern Michigan... 84 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,760 ...to build a sustainable homestead and commune with nature. 85 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:49,560 I wired my cabin for solar panels... 86 00:05:49,660 --> 00:05:53,655 ...and heated with wood instead of fossil fuels. 87 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:55,950 I wrote about sustainable living... 88 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:58,760 ...in environmental issues for the Mother Earth News... 89 00:05:58,860 --> 00:06:01,240 ...and several news outlets. 90 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:08,195 I traveled the country documenting invasive species. 91 00:06:09,565 --> 00:06:11,606 Ecosystem collapse. 92 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:17,055 And species threatened with extinction. 93 00:06:17,067 --> 00:06:19,067 Come on, girls, boys. 94 00:06:20,955 --> 00:06:25,715 I covered protests against destroying mountains for coal. 95 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,225 And was once even confronted by the BP police. 96 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:32,623 Journalist. - You're a journalist? 97 00:06:32,723 --> 00:06:33,456 Yep, yep, yeah. 98 00:06:33,556 --> 00:06:35,520 By all means, you can take all the pictures you want. 99 00:06:35,620 --> 00:06:36,353 Okay. 100 00:06:36,453 --> 00:06:38,220 We'll write in our report and then we have to send it... 101 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,060 ...to the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys Office. 102 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,160 They'll call you. 103 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:47,830 Through all of this, I kept wondering, 104 00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:51,500 why are we still addicted to fossil fuels? 105 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:57,135 So I decided to begin following the green energy movement. 106 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:01,140 What better place to check out... 107 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,930 ...how our renewable energy revolution is coming along, 108 00:07:04,030 --> 00:07:04,990 than a solar festival... 109 00:07:05,090 --> 00:07:07,260 ...in the Green Mountain state of Vermont. 110 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,116 Powered by 100% solar energy. 111 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:15,000 Solar. 112 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:17,100 I was having fun. 113 00:07:17,410 --> 00:07:18,660 And got a chance to ask... 114 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,820 ...about getting solar panels installed. 115 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,650 You can keep adding, so maybe every time... 116 00:07:22,750 --> 00:07:26,830 ...you get a tax return, buy another solar panel? 117 00:07:28,260 --> 00:07:31,490 But then, a little rain began to fall. 118 00:07:33,719 --> 00:07:34,502 ? Packed up my guitar ?... 119 00:07:34,602 --> 00:07:36,380 ...? Headed to the nearest bowling alley ?. 120 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,985 My camera man noticed some commotion behind the stage. 121 00:07:43,072 --> 00:07:43,967 What'd you guys set up here? 122 00:07:44,067 --> 00:07:46,860 This is for biodiesel generators... 123 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,103 ...in case we lose power due to the rain. 124 00:07:51,203 --> 00:07:52,000 So the festival's going... 125 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:54,409 ...on solar energy, primarily? 126 00:07:54,509 --> 00:07:55,837 Primarily. 127 00:07:55,937 --> 00:07:57,242 We do need to bring some of this stuff... 128 00:07:57,342 --> 00:08:00,520 ...in just 'cause we want to make sure... 129 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:04,553 ...we have enough power not to kill our fancy toys... 130 00:08:04,653 --> 00:08:06,271 ...that we have lighting the stage. 131 00:08:06,371 --> 00:08:07,413 Right. 132 00:08:07,513 --> 00:08:10,240 But the biofuel generator wasn't enough, 133 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:11,400 so they wound up plugging... 134 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:14,220 ...into the electrical grid that we all use. 135 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,440 The other inverter operating, 136 00:08:16,540 --> 00:08:18,690 it's actually pulling power in from the grid, 137 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:20,790 charging the batteries. 138 00:08:20,998 --> 00:08:22,220 It's running backwards from the way... 139 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,720 ...we originally intended to do it, but. 140 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:29,140 That was disappointing. 141 00:08:30,731 --> 00:08:33,706 But after all, it had been raining. 142 00:08:34,570 --> 00:08:37,885 Maybe next time things would go better. 143 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,380 Luckily for us, hope was on the way. 144 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,965 It's been a long time comin' but tonight, 145 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:50,765 change has come to America. 146 00:08:54,090 --> 00:08:56,480 Green activists across the country cheered... 147 00:08:56,580 --> 00:08:59,150 ...when newly elected president, Barack Obama, 148 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:01,960 rolled out a trillion dollar stimulus package... 149 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:06,395 ...with nearly 100 billion dollars for green energy. 150 00:09:06,490 --> 00:09:08,710 Green was finally ramping up... 151 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:11,920 ...and everyone wanted to be part of it. 152 00:09:12,020 --> 00:09:15,100 President Obama brought in environmental activist Van Jones, 153 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,010 from the Apollo Alliance, with shovel ready projects. 154 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:20,313 They've gotta put up tens of thousands of wind farms, 155 00:09:20,413 --> 00:09:23,450 they gotta put up millions of solar panels. 156 00:09:23,550 --> 00:09:25,327 Former Vice President Al Gore, 157 00:09:25,427 --> 00:09:28,990 who had a few years earlier released an Oscar winning film, 158 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:31,260 shared his ideas with the president. 159 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,260 We have the opportunity now... 160 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,587 ...to create jobs all across this country, 161 00:09:36,687 --> 00:09:40,423 in all 50 states, to re-power America. 162 00:09:41,620 --> 00:09:43,390 Al Gore had already encouraged... 163 00:09:43,490 --> 00:09:46,550 ...billionaire airline owner, Sir Richard Branson, 164 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:49,625 to invest big-time in green energy. 165 00:09:49,650 --> 00:09:52,250 Branson is pledging future profits from his airline... 166 00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:54,220 ...to the tune of perhaps three billion dollars. 167 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,510 Three billion, that's with a B, to fight global warming. 168 00:09:57,610 --> 00:09:59,610 Is Al Gore a prophet? 169 00:10:00,785 --> 00:10:05,353 Ah, um, ah, how do you spell 'prophet?'. 170 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,290 Investors came forward. 171 00:10:11,390 --> 00:10:14,190 Investor Vinod Khosla, known as the father... 172 00:10:14,290 --> 00:10:15,970 ...of the clean tech revolution, 173 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:19,150 has poured over a billion dollars of his own money... 174 00:10:19,250 --> 00:10:21,960 ...into some fifty energy startups. 175 00:10:22,060 --> 00:10:24,900 Major banks were eager to get involved. 176 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,840 By 2020, we think, renewables will require... 177 00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:32,390 ...395 billion on an annual basis. 178 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:34,330 Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., 179 00:10:34,430 --> 00:10:37,550 was both on the board of major environmental organizations... 180 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:40,417 ...and was leading a green energy investment group. 181 00:10:40,517 --> 00:10:43,190 We build wind farms, we build solar farms, 182 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:47,540 once you build our plant, it's free energy forever. 183 00:10:47,729 --> 00:10:49,650 The Sierra Club received 50 million dollars... 184 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:51,720 ...from billionaire and former New York City mayor. 185 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:53,000 Michael Bloomberg. 186 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:54,010 Their mission? 187 00:10:54,110 --> 00:10:56,570 Fight coal and promote clean energy. 188 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:58,430 So with the mayor's gift, here's what will happen. 189 00:10:58,530 --> 00:11:02,130 We'll have a large and aggressive presence in 46 states. 190 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:05,480 It's time for America to find a new energy path. 191 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:07,590 One that takes us beyond coal. 192 00:11:07,690 --> 00:11:08,423 So funny--. 193 00:11:08,523 --> 00:11:10,400 And then Bill McKibben, 194 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,300 one of the nation's leading environmentalists... 195 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,407 ...and author of a breakthrough book called... 196 00:11:15,507 --> 00:11:17,020 'The End of Nature,' 197 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,840 formed an organization called 350. org... 198 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:24,512 ...with the mission of igniting a global climate movement. 199 00:11:24,612 --> 00:11:26,940 Can I show off my necktie for a minute... 200 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,660 'cause they made it for me yesterday. 201 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,150 It's got that 350 on it... 202 00:11:30,250 --> 00:11:33,490 'cause it's the most important number in the world. 203 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:35,300 Things were looking up. 204 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,225 And the green energy revolution was under way. 205 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,100 Michigan had been hit hard by the Great Recession... 206 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,670 ...and hundreds of millions of dollars... 207 00:11:44,770 --> 00:11:47,190 ...in green stimulus money was arriving. 208 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:50,660 Now, to do their part for the new green economy. 209 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,280 General Motors introduced a new line of electric vehicles. 210 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:56,240 When the Chevy Volt was ready for release. 211 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:59,050 I attended their press conference. 212 00:11:59,150 --> 00:12:01,710 So, these electric vehicles are ready... 213 00:12:01,810 --> 00:12:04,690 ...for public consumption and we're ready... 214 00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:06,460 ...with the infrastructure, with the rates, 215 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:07,950 with the communications. 216 00:12:08,050 --> 00:12:10,750 I am extremely grateful to be here today and in fact, 217 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:13,920 this is a chance for me to say, thank you, more formally. 218 00:12:14,020 --> 00:12:15,390 The Chevy Volt is upstairs. 219 00:12:15,490 --> 00:12:17,026 We'll be able to take a look at it. 220 00:12:17,126 --> 00:12:18,390 (banging metal). 221 00:12:18,490 --> 00:12:19,646 We got about 1,000 photos. 222 00:12:19,746 --> 00:12:20,537 Yeah. 223 00:12:20,637 --> 00:12:22,637 Here is the plug. 224 00:12:27,099 --> 00:12:29,099 It's as simple as that. 225 00:12:29,851 --> 00:12:31,420 The batteries are in the trunk? 226 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,390 No, the battery in this particular design is a T-shape, 227 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:39,868 right down the center and across the backseat area. 228 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:44,332 'Cause everybody thought we killed the electric vehicle. 229 00:12:44,432 --> 00:12:45,907 No, we didn't. 230 00:12:46,007 --> 00:12:47,510 It's alive and well. 231 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:50,315 So, what's charging the batteries right now? 232 00:12:50,415 --> 00:12:51,148 What's the source of electricity? 233 00:12:51,248 --> 00:12:53,040 Well, here, it's coming from the building. 234 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:55,532 I mean, is it, what's our mix of power? 235 00:12:55,632 --> 00:12:58,250 Oh, actually, Lansing feeds the building. 236 00:12:58,350 --> 00:12:59,083 What's that? 237 00:12:59,183 --> 00:13:00,816 Lansing feeds power to the building. 238 00:13:00,916 --> 00:13:03,038 So, I don't know--. 239 00:13:03,138 --> 00:13:04,510 They're--... 240 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:05,830 I betcha they're a bit of coal? 241 00:13:05,930 --> 00:13:08,856 I think they're heavy on natural gas, aren't they? 242 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:10,890 Right now, the car's charging off your grid? 243 00:13:10,990 --> 00:13:12,040 Right. 244 00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:17,090 It would be charging off our grid, which is about 95% coal. 245 00:13:18,411 --> 00:13:19,319 How long do you think it will be... 246 00:13:19,419 --> 00:13:23,140 ...before there's a solar and wind powered grid? 247 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:23,973 Oh, golly. 248 00:13:24,073 --> 00:13:26,530 To suggest that all of the power used... 249 00:13:26,630 --> 00:13:31,100 ...for these cars will be generated from wind and solar, 250 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,220 in the very near future, would not be correct. 251 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,270 In fact, these, we're talking about charging these up... 252 00:13:36,370 --> 00:13:39,030 ...at night, so there won't be any solar at that time. 253 00:13:39,130 --> 00:13:40,720 So, we're down to wind and very often, 254 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:43,625 at night, the wind does fall off. 255 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:46,707 I don't think coal is bad. 256 00:13:46,807 --> 00:13:47,540 The what? - The big val--. 257 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,373 Mountain top removal. 258 00:13:48,473 --> 00:13:49,206 Oh, mount... 259 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:50,039 Oh yeah, oh yeah. (laughing). 260 00:13:50,139 --> 00:13:51,540 Yeah. 261 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,890 It's got lovely BTUs, it's got lovely energy value. 262 00:13:56,260 --> 00:13:58,980 How do you burn it more cleanly? 263 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:02,600 I mean, do you see natural gas getting bashed? 264 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:05,170 We will be delivering power based... 265 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:07,210 ...on natural gas very shortly. 266 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:12,325 And even with that mix, we intend to use biofuels if we can. 267 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,463 Have you gotten any support? 268 00:14:14,563 --> 00:14:16,700 Oh, the environment groups are extremely supportive. 269 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,090 We did install the state's largest solar array... 270 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:20,980 ...at my company, The Board of Water and Lights, 271 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,866 just down the street from here a few miles... 272 00:14:22,966 --> 00:14:23,970 ...if you want to take a look at it. 273 00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:26,460 What outfit are you with? 274 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,870 New World Media, we're doing a segment... 275 00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:28,800 ...on the renewable energy. 276 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:29,971 Oh, excuse, I gotta go for a second. 277 00:14:30,071 --> 00:14:30,804 Okay, sure. 278 00:14:30,904 --> 00:14:32,904 Thanks. 279 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:37,600 I decided to take him up on his offer... 280 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:40,530 ...to check out their football field sized solar array... 281 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:42,755 ...right down the street. 282 00:14:43,490 --> 00:14:45,150 What we're trying to do with this kind of a tour is, 283 00:14:45,250 --> 00:14:46,720 get a sense for what they've already done, 284 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:48,400 as an indication of what we could do... 285 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:51,320 ...to push the envelope even further. 286 00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:55,415 We took a hard look at wind and determined that, 287 00:14:55,450 --> 00:14:58,620 around here, there's not really any real good wind coming... 288 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,790 ...through all the time. 289 00:14:59,890 --> 00:15:01,400 That's what we liked about solar. 290 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,420 You would get the power when you most needed it. 291 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,080 Pass these around, look at 'em. 292 00:15:06,180 --> 00:15:07,710 They are pliable. 293 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:10,220 Made in Michigan, that was another good thing. 294 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,560 Although, the efficiency... 295 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:15,655 ...of these panels is only about, just under 8%. 296 00:15:16,907 --> 00:15:18,690 If you happen to be NASA and you happen... 297 00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:20,480 ...to own a rover running around Mars, 298 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:22,650 they have very efficient panels. 299 00:15:22,750 --> 00:15:24,210 But, we can't afford those... 300 00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:26,590 ...at about a million dollars a square inch. 301 00:15:26,690 --> 00:15:27,590 How many homes would... 302 00:15:27,690 --> 00:15:29,900 ...this array provide electricity for? 303 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,353 The standard answer that we tell everybody is, 304 00:15:31,453 --> 00:15:32,560 that we're providing enough... 305 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:35,280 ...to meet the peak requirements of 50 homes. 306 00:15:35,380 --> 00:15:38,220 However, for most of the people that look... 307 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,190 ...at it a little bit closer, 308 00:15:39,290 --> 00:15:43,280 we generate about 63, 64 thousand kilowatt hours a year. 309 00:15:43,380 --> 00:15:44,720 Our average customer uses... 310 00:15:44,820 --> 00:15:47,044 ...about six thousand kilowatt hours a year. 311 00:15:47,144 --> 00:15:50,580 Six thousand into 64, it's just a little over 10. 312 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,290 We can meet the energy requirements for 10 homes. 313 00:15:54,390 --> 00:15:56,390 Over a year. 314 00:15:57,060 --> 00:16:00,970 Will that be an incentive to put more solar on? 315 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,170 Well, if you wanted to make all... 316 00:16:03,270 --> 00:16:07,470 ...of the energy required for the city of Lansing over a year? 317 00:16:07,570 --> 00:16:08,303 Well, how about--... 318 00:16:08,403 --> 00:16:09,770 You'd have a solar array... 319 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:11,640 ...that was three miles by five miles. 320 00:16:11,740 --> 00:16:12,473 Right. 321 00:16:12,573 --> 00:16:13,306 But-- - We're not gonna do that. 322 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:15,790 But, but, I mean. (woman's voice fades out). 323 00:16:15,890 --> 00:16:17,980 My friend from the Sierra Club wanted him... 324 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,245 ...to be more positive, but he was not interested. 325 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:28,520 As a consequence of the big push for green energy, 326 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:30,870 wind farms were arising around the nation, 327 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:34,240 including near my home in northern Michigan. 328 00:16:34,340 --> 00:16:35,283 We've done coal and nuclear for years. 329 00:16:35,383 --> 00:16:38,710 We've been trying to get in more into the renewable side. 330 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:40,890 These are the largest in Michigan. 331 00:16:40,990 --> 00:16:43,190 I think it's 482 foot total. 332 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:44,087 How many yards of concrete? 333 00:16:44,187 --> 00:16:46,700 It was 800 yards of concrete in the base, 334 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,420 right around 140 tons of resteel. 335 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,720 What are those blades made out of? 336 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:52,400 That's all fiberglass and balsam. 337 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:54,785 They're about 36,000 pounds a piece. 338 00:16:54,885 --> 00:16:58,750 This tower will weigh 800,000 pounds when we're done. 339 00:16:58,850 --> 00:17:01,220 Then the cell is 220,000 pounds... 340 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,780 ...and the hub rotor assembly is another 160. 341 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,920 It's pretty substantial. 342 00:17:08,031 --> 00:17:10,581 They were impressive machines. 343 00:17:12,330 --> 00:17:14,420 But is it possible for machines made... 344 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,890 ...by industrial civilization... 345 00:17:16,990 --> 00:17:20,645 ...to save us from industrial civilization? 346 00:17:27,690 --> 00:17:29,790 In environmental leader Bill McKibben's home state... 347 00:17:29,890 --> 00:17:32,480 ...of Vermont, the Green Mountain state, 348 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:33,580 a site was being cleared... 349 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,070 ...for the installation of wind turbines. 350 00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:37,780 A group of citizens was concerned... 351 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,910 ...about how the construction... 352 00:17:39,010 --> 00:17:41,700 ...might affect the mountains they love. 353 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,500 I joined them for a tour. 354 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,240 It's going to be 21 turbines. 355 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:46,180 21? 356 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,900 Yeah. - On this project? 357 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,850 In this project, yeah. 358 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:54,880 The estimate was maybe there would be three full-time jobs. 359 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,260 If the goal is to try to make Vermont the leader... 360 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,870 ...in climate change, I appreciate looking... 361 00:17:59,970 --> 00:18:02,329 ...to the sky in the hopes we can do that. 362 00:18:02,429 --> 00:18:05,010 But more importantly, I'm personally looking... 363 00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:07,430 ...at the ground thinking, this is not the kind of legacy. 364 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:08,837 I want to leave to my kids. 365 00:18:08,937 --> 00:18:11,610 When I was a kid we'd go hiking in these woods, 366 00:18:11,710 --> 00:18:13,480 we would be able to drink from the waters... 367 00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:18,340 ...down the hill here, and now you have to question that. 368 00:18:18,378 --> 00:18:20,240 And how long are these towers supposed to last? 369 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:21,810 20-something years, 20--... 370 00:18:21,910 --> 00:18:24,410 I know, it's just a nanosecond. 371 00:18:24,510 --> 00:18:25,243 20 years? 372 00:18:25,343 --> 00:18:28,546 Oh, it's a nanosecond in the time of energy. 373 00:18:28,646 --> 00:18:29,429 Has anybody considered... 374 00:18:29,529 --> 00:18:32,170 ...that this is mountain top removal for wind instead of coal? 375 00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:33,887 Yeah, and we've even had people say, 376 00:18:33,987 --> 00:18:36,197 'If you can do mountain top removal... 377 00:18:36,297 --> 00:18:39,357 'in Kentucky and West Virginia for coal, 378 00:18:39,457 --> 00:18:42,007 'then it's about time the rest of the country shared... 379 00:18:42,107 --> 00:18:44,742 'in mountain top removal, too.' 380 00:18:45,047 --> 00:18:46,785 Uh-oh. 381 00:18:46,885 --> 00:18:47,918 You think he's gonna tell us to move out? 382 00:18:48,018 --> 00:18:48,751 Probably. 383 00:18:48,851 --> 00:18:49,790 The thing is that you've got... 384 00:18:49,890 --> 00:18:53,710 ...to have a fossil fuel power plant backing it up... 385 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:55,930 ...and idling 100% of the time. 386 00:18:56,030 --> 00:18:58,210 Because if you cycle up or cycle down, 387 00:18:58,310 --> 00:19:01,020 as the demand on the wind comes through, 388 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,800 then you actually generate a bigger carbon footprint... 389 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:05,650 ...than if you just ran it straight. 390 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:06,767 Do you ever go to things where they just go, 391 00:19:06,867 --> 00:19:07,667 'That's not true. 392 00:19:07,767 --> 00:19:10,750 'It doesn't matter, we're gonna have a smart grid.' 393 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:12,619 Doesn't make any difference, they still gotta--... 394 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:13,600 They're using it. - Have it idling. 395 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:18,110 Because, let's just say the wind stopped right now. 396 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:20,110 Just stopped for an hour. 397 00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:21,570 You've got to have that power. 398 00:19:21,670 --> 00:19:22,587 What do you do? 399 00:19:22,687 --> 00:19:24,810 I'm an environmental health and safety consultant. 400 00:19:24,910 --> 00:19:27,400 I usually work with businesses to help them do things, 401 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:31,155 but I would never work with scum like this. 402 00:19:33,384 --> 00:19:36,450 You didn't get me on camera doing this, did ya? 403 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:39,880 Not being judgmental or trying to play God, 404 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:43,330 but we've got to deal with population growth... 405 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:47,470 ...and sustainable resources, we've all gotta cut back. 406 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:50,780 All this energy's supposedly going to heat a water park. 407 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,450 We can find unique and different ways to waste energy. 408 00:19:54,550 --> 00:19:56,550 This is not a Vermont company. 409 00:19:56,650 --> 00:20:00,430 Green Mountain Power will be bought out by Gaz Metro... 410 00:20:00,530 --> 00:20:03,790 ...and Gaz Metro is owned by Enbridge, as I understand it, 411 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:08,650 which is a big resource company in Canada... 412 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,388 ...which is exploiting the PowerSands... 413 00:20:10,488 --> 00:20:13,600 ...that wants to build the XL pipeline. 414 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:14,577 See, it's--. 415 00:20:14,677 --> 00:20:18,120 And they're all in bed together. 416 00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:20,030 Still we don't know the whole story. 417 00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:22,040 Have you asked Mr. McKibben to come see this? 418 00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:25,030 He thinks anything renewable is good. 419 00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:25,863 Yeah. 420 00:20:25,963 --> 00:20:29,108 So that's what I've heard people say. 421 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:41,245 I am in a strange position. 422 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,829 I'm against our addiction to fossil fuels... 423 00:20:44,929 --> 00:20:48,669 ...and have long been a fan of green energy. 424 00:20:49,090 --> 00:20:52,170 But everywhere I encountered green energy, 425 00:20:52,270 --> 00:20:54,395 it wasn't what it seemed. 426 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:58,430 This is like a perpetual energy battery. 427 00:20:58,530 --> 00:20:59,780 And where do you get the hydrogen from? 428 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,570 The hydrogen that's in, the hydrogen is sourced... 429 00:21:03,670 --> 00:21:06,310 ...from any hydrocarbon material. 430 00:21:06,410 --> 00:21:10,920 So, you can get it from natural gas, you can get it... 431 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:14,420 ...from any petroleum oil based product. 432 00:21:15,630 --> 00:21:16,760 I read about a zoo that was said... 433 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:19,920 ...to be powered by elephant manure. 434 00:21:20,024 --> 00:21:20,970 But it turned out the elephants... 435 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:24,630 ...didn't even produce enough manure to heat the elephant barn. 436 00:21:24,730 --> 00:21:25,640 Yeah, we don't even really make enough... 437 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:28,810 ...and what we had, elephant wise, couldn't even do that. 438 00:21:28,910 --> 00:21:29,834 We would need a lot more. 439 00:21:29,934 --> 00:21:30,904 More elephants? 440 00:21:31,004 --> 00:21:31,850 Yep, more elephants... 441 00:21:31,950 --> 00:21:33,950 ...or manure. 442 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:35,390 Ethanol plants also seem... 443 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:37,200 ...to have a secret ingredient. 444 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,730 This is the most productive farmland in the world... 445 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:42,850 ...and we're not that far west of the biggest coal mines... 446 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:43,683 ...in the world, as well. 447 00:21:43,783 --> 00:21:47,420 So, bring the two together and have an ethanol plant. 448 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,260 Great, so ethanol was reliant on two things. 449 00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:54,710 A giant, fossil fuel based, industrial agricultural system... 450 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:58,380 ...to produce corn and even more fossil fuels, 451 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,480 in the form of coal. 452 00:22:00,530 --> 00:22:04,780 All of this in the attempt to replace fossil fuels? 453 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,070 It was enough to make my head explode. 454 00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:12,800 I was getting the uneasy feeling... 455 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:15,958 ...that green energy was not going to save us. 456 00:22:16,058 --> 00:22:17,950 And I wasn't the only one. 457 00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:18,990 I've counted something... 458 00:22:19,090 --> 00:22:21,880 ...like 25 different alternative energy options. 459 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:23,987 So surely, among all of those, 460 00:22:24,087 --> 00:22:26,530 there are enough sources... 461 00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:29,000 ...of energy to keep us living basically... 462 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:31,570 ...the way we are in perpetuity. 463 00:22:31,670 --> 00:22:33,560 That's not the reality. 464 00:22:33,660 --> 00:22:36,430 Currently, we're getting, in some cases, 465 00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:39,660 no energy from these potential options. 466 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,050 Richard York, of the University of Oregon, 467 00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:44,320 published a study in the Journal of Nature... 468 00:22:44,420 --> 00:22:47,697 ...in which he posed a question, 'Do non-fossil energy sources... 469 00:22:47,797 --> 00:22:50,040 'actually replace fossil fuels?' 470 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:51,880 What we implicitly assume, often, 471 00:22:51,980 --> 00:22:54,560 the substitute pushes out... 472 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:56,773 ...the thing you want it to substitute for. 473 00:22:56,873 --> 00:22:58,490 What you find is, 474 00:22:58,590 --> 00:23:02,780 nations that add non-fossil energy sources do not seem... 475 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,930 ...to see a particular suppression of fossil fuels. 476 00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:07,370 That's pretty mind blowing. 477 00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:09,330 You've got billions of dollars beings spent... 478 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:12,160 ...and green energy is not even replacing fossil fuels? 479 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:15,560 They don't even know that that's a question, yes. 480 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:19,760 The story that we're in, right now, is okay, 481 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:21,910 we're in ecological hot water, 482 00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:23,850 but there are technological fixes... 483 00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:25,740 ...and if we're just creative enough, 484 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,470 if we're just ingenious enough... 485 00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:30,590 ...and if we just work hard enough, we will triumph. 486 00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:33,810 Seeking technological fixes, one after another, 487 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:37,550 is simply going to lead us to another level... 488 00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:40,580 ...of catastrophe sooner rather than later. 489 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,500 We wanna believe that these things are gonna be available... 490 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,530 ...for us, so if we get a little worried... 491 00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:50,720 ...and somebody comes up with a new thingy and promises... 492 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:55,770 ...that this will do it for us, we wanna believe it. 493 00:23:59,833 --> 00:24:02,468 Because we're a little worried, 494 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:06,440 are we desperate to accept any idea that sounds alternative? 495 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:08,540 Or green? 496 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:12,620 Are we avoiding looking too closely... 497 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,460 ...because we don't want to know the answer? 498 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:21,270 Ozzie Zehner, a visiting scholar at UC Berkeley... 499 00:24:21,370 --> 00:24:24,640 ...and Northwestern University was asking some... 500 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:26,865 ...of the same questions. 501 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,660 I mean, I thought that solar... 502 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,120 ...and wind were probably very good solutions. 503 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:32,650 It wasn't really even that long ago. 504 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:36,400 One of the most dangerous things right now is the illusion... 505 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,690 ...that alternative technologies, like wind and solar, 506 00:24:39,790 --> 00:24:41,373 are somehow different from fossil fuels. 507 00:24:41,473 --> 00:24:43,880 What I hear a lot of times is solar cells... 508 00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:44,910 ...are made out of sand. 509 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:47,060 Have you ever thought about solar panels? 510 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:47,980 The main ingredient... 511 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,350 ...that makes them work is silicon, or sand. 512 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:51,216 This is the raw material chips... 513 00:24:51,316 --> 00:24:53,890 ...are made of, sand. 514 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:55,410 They don't use sand at all. 515 00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:57,510 I'll show you what... 516 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,140 So, this is one of the ingredients, 517 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,535 it's actually mined quartz. 518 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:11,050 Spruce Pine, North Carolina, 519 00:25:11,150 --> 00:25:14,160 regarded as the finest source of high purity quartz... 520 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:16,490 ...in the world, the semiconductor, solar... 521 00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:18,830 ...and communication applications. 522 00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:21,480 You can't use sand because sand has too many impurities. 523 00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:24,200 So, you start with very high quality quartz... 524 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,720 ...and a very high quality coal, and then you put... 525 00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:30,900 ...those two together into an arc furnace and you melt them. 526 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,190 The quartz is then melted with coal... 527 00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:38,090 ...in a large furnace at temperatures of up to 1,800 degrees. 528 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:41,019 And so you need more coal to do that. 529 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,780 I'll get another coal out. 530 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,040 When we melt these together, 531 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:47,030 we get silicon metal and carbon dioxide. 532 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:48,360 The carbon dioxide just goes off... 533 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:49,210 ...and you got rid of the carbon... 534 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:51,130 ...and you're left with silicon metal. 535 00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:52,338 This is not clean coal. (laughing). 536 00:25:52,438 --> 00:25:54,210 Not clean coal. 537 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:56,060 Ozzie Zehner said it was an illusion... 538 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,330 ...that renewables were replacing coal or any fossil fuel. 539 00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:03,430 Environmental groups continue telling a different story. 540 00:26:03,530 --> 00:26:06,330 We've already seen more than 25%... 541 00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:10,120 ...of the U.S. coal fleet has already either retired... 542 00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:11,890 ...or is on a schedule to retire. 543 00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:14,240 Coal plants were closing, but Ozzie explained... 544 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,550 ...that well meaning people were being misled. 545 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:18,910 NV Energy's now gonna go ahead and shut down the plant... 546 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:19,743 ...and go with renewable. 547 00:26:19,843 --> 00:26:21,329 One of the largest solar plants... 548 00:26:21,429 --> 00:26:23,340 ...and that's gonna happen right behind me. 549 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,740 Since you can't replace a coal plant with solar, 550 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,600 they're actually replacing the coal plant... 551 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,200 ...with two natural gas plants. 552 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:31,010 And natural gas is a fossil fuel. 553 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:33,920 This is the Las Vegas Co-Gen natural gas plant. 554 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:35,280 This is one of the facilities... 555 00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:38,060 ...that's replacing the coal plant that's being shut down. 556 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,190 This is the Sun Peak generating facility. 557 00:26:41,290 --> 00:26:43,049 This is the second natural gas plant... 558 00:26:43,149 --> 00:26:45,950 ...that was used to replace the coal plant. 559 00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:48,210 And you hear the same story in Iowa. 560 00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:50,200 Instead of using energy generated... 561 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:51,867 ...by coal-fired power plants, 562 00:26:51,967 --> 00:26:53,600 the solar farm will now avoid... 563 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,970 ...about 2.1 million pounds of carbon pollution. 564 00:26:57,070 --> 00:27:01,170 But then they're building a larger natural gas plant. 565 00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:04,220 This is a 650 megawatt natural gas plant. 566 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,930 That's four times more megawatts... 567 00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:09,360 ...than the coal plant over there that it's replacing. 568 00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:11,310 And they're doing the same thing in North Carolina, 569 00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:12,300 which was that subject... 570 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160 ...of that Years of Living Dangerously series. 571 00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:16,990 Duke Energy operates a coal plant right... 572 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:19,250 ...outside of Asheville that is the biggest source... 573 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:22,420 ...of climate pollution in western North Carolina. 574 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,290 And we are working to retire that plant... 575 00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:25,570 ...and replace it with clean energy. 576 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:26,650 But what they don't tell you is... 577 00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:29,620 ...that we're also building a larger natural gas facility. 578 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,090 So, we'll be retiring a two-unit 376 megawatt coal plant. 579 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:36,750 We'll invest $750 million... 580 00:27:36,850 --> 00:27:39,290 ...to build a state-of-the-art natural gas plant. 581 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:41,740 When Michael Brune stands up and talks about clean energy, 582 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,340 he's using solar cells and wind turbines. 583 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,860 This is the new world. 584 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960 100% clean energy. 585 00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:48,277 When Michael Bloomberg stands up and says, 586 00:27:48,377 --> 00:27:51,020 'Cleaner energy,' he's talking about natural gas. 587 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:55,370 Create cleaner energy, solar, wind and natural gas. 588 00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:57,760 In fact, the Sierra Club's Beyond Coal campaign... 589 00:27:57,860 --> 00:28:00,850 ...actually coincides with one of the largest expansions... 590 00:28:00,950 --> 00:28:03,270 ...of fossil fuel production that we've ever pulled off. 591 00:28:03,370 --> 00:28:06,005 Most of that being natural gas. 592 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:07,250 Ozzie's assertion... 593 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:10,240 ...that renewables were not replacing fossil fuels, 594 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,900 if true, would upend all of our assumptions... 595 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,335 ...about green energy and what was going to save us. 596 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:20,460 What would happen if I asked the same question... 597 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,600 ...to industry insiders? 598 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,370 Like, where do solar panels come from? 599 00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:26,843 Well, you do have to start with a mine. 600 00:28:26,943 --> 00:28:28,943 Wait till you see my--. 601 00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:31,610 Or, what's stopping us from running the world... 602 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:33,630 ...on 100% solar and wind? 603 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:36,390 Well, intermittency is one of the major challenges. 604 00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:37,800 Good stability. 605 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:40,310 The sun's everywhere, except when it's not there. 606 00:28:40,410 --> 00:28:42,370 There's a lot of developers that were flocking... 607 00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:45,320 ...to California, wanting to connect their solar farms... 608 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:46,153 ...and wind farms. 609 00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:47,820 The utilities would turn to me and my team... 610 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,720 ...to help them look at what the impact to their grid would be. 611 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:52,810 When we add solar cells... 612 00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:53,950 ...or wind turbines to a grid, 613 00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:56,590 do we get to shut off a coal plant? 614 00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:58,740 That's certainly the goal, the problem is, 615 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,730 or the difference is that renewables are intermittent. 616 00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:03,940 All of the sudden, a cloud cover could come over... 617 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,280 ...and your solar generation could drastically decrease. 618 00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:08,710 And if you don't have something else there... 619 00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:12,100 ...to meet whatever the load is at that moment, 620 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,250 then you're gonna have power outages. 621 00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:15,083 So, we don't get... 622 00:29:15,183 --> 00:29:16,950 ...to turn a fossil fuel power plant off... 623 00:29:17,050 --> 00:29:19,090 ...when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing? 624 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:20,600 Well, it's not that easy. 625 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,310 We need to be able to back up that power... 626 00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:26,520 ...to keep the system steady all the time... 627 00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:28,140 ...so it doesn't collapse. 628 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,405 Most likely that's through fast-acting gas plants, 629 00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:35,160 but also what we call the base load plants, 630 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:37,580 either nuclear or coal that are on all the time... 631 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,650 ...but that maybe can be dialed down during the day... 632 00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:44,220 ...and dialed up when demand starts rising. 633 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,580 Does it affect the efficiency... 634 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,130 ...to turn fossil fuel power plants on and off? 635 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:48,963 Oh, yeah. 636 00:29:49,063 --> 00:29:51,250 They don't like to be dialed up and down. 637 00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:54,500 It does make, that's wear and tear for them. 638 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,250 Turning them on, turning it off, there's energy used... 639 00:29:58,350 --> 00:29:59,760 ...and lost and any time, 640 00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:01,290 kind of like when you turn on your car and off, 641 00:30:01,390 --> 00:30:02,360 you use a little extra gas... 642 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:03,670 ...to get it turned on. 643 00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:04,560 I do still think you have... 644 00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:06,410 ...to maintain a base load of some kinds. 645 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:07,650 What's the solution then? 646 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:08,910 You need energy storage. 647 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:12,110 Without storage, you can't count on it. 648 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:15,760 If you can store the energy that's created off... 649 00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:19,160 ...of things that are intermittent like solar and wind, 650 00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:22,410 you can store that, now you're reducing your need... 651 00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:23,510 ...for a base load. 652 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:24,343 But would adding storage... 653 00:30:24,443 --> 00:30:27,020 ...like batteries increase the carbon footprint? 654 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Yeah, absolutely. 655 00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:31,080 In a big way, actually. 656 00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:34,620 And as more energy storage gets on the grid, 657 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,651 it has a mass scale implication. 658 00:30:37,751 --> 00:30:38,490 (piano music). 659 00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:40,080 When I looked up how much battery storage... 660 00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:42,260 ...there is, it was less than one-tenth... 661 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,800 ...of one percent of what's needed. 662 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:47,150 In a couple years, they begin to degrade... 663 00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:50,210 ...and need to be replaced a few years later. 664 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:53,080 I learned that the solar panels don't last forever, either. 665 00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:55,910 Some solar panels are built to last only 10 years. 666 00:30:56,010 --> 00:31:00,480 So, it's not as if you get this magic free energy. 667 00:31:00,580 --> 00:31:02,850 I don't know that it's the solution, 668 00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:07,310 and here I am helping to sell the materials... 669 00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:10,470 ...that would go into photovoltaics. 670 00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:12,840 And so to overcome profound limitations... 671 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:15,980 ...of solar and wind, rarely discussed in the media, 672 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,170 a new generation of technology was rising... 673 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:20,650 ...in the California desert. 674 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:21,720 What is this? 675 00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:23,680 What we're using is a field of mirrors... 676 00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:26,090 ...to focus sunlight onto a tower. 677 00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:29,500 The power plant itself, at 377 megawatts, 678 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,580 will be the largest of its kind in the world. 679 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,033 This will become the biggest solar plant in the world. 680 00:31:35,133 --> 00:31:37,583 There's some people that look out in a dessert, 681 00:31:37,683 --> 00:31:40,730 they see miles and miles of emptiness. 682 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:44,920 I see miles and miles of a gold mine. 683 00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:46,510 But this next generation... 684 00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:48,960 ...had a fossil fuel secret, too. 685 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,200 This solar facility burns natural gas pretty much... 686 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,700 ...every morning in order to get it started up. 687 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,180 How long do they have to burn it for it? 688 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,680 Hours, usually. 689 00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:59,490 This is the incoming natural gas for the facility. 690 00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:01,620 This plant would work about as well without natural gas... 691 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,310 ...as I would without coffee in the morning. 692 00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:05,168 Or maybe how you would be without food. 693 00:32:05,268 --> 00:32:06,670 Without food, yeah. 694 00:32:06,770 --> 00:32:08,850 They have to file for acid rain permits, 695 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:11,030 permits for nitrous oxide emissions, 696 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:14,160 they have to apply for carbon offset permits. 697 00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:16,160 Because they're producing carbon dioxide here, 698 00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:17,640 so they have to offset that. 699 00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:20,210 The whole thing is built using fossil fuel infrastructure, 700 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:22,870 from the concrete to the steel to the mirrors, 701 00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:24,550 to the backing on the mirrors. 702 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:29,330 The sun is renewable, but the solar arrays are not. 703 00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:30,163 Oh, come on. 704 00:32:30,263 --> 00:32:31,410 There's got to be something renewable. 705 00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:32,690 Glass is renewable. 706 00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:33,660 Glass. 707 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,910 Glass is not renewable. 708 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:37,010 Iron's renewable. 709 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:39,003 Aluminum? 710 00:32:39,103 --> 00:32:39,836 That's renewable. 711 00:32:39,936 --> 00:32:41,147 I recycle my soda cans. 712 00:32:41,247 --> 00:32:42,930 I know it's renewable. 713 00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:44,780 Yeah, the problem with all of these materials is... 714 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,620 ...that it takes an incredible amount of energy to mine... 715 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,030 ...and process all of the materials... 716 00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:52,770 ...that go into building something like this. 717 00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:55,393 You use more fossil fuels to do this... 718 00:32:55,493 --> 00:32:58,190 ...than you're getting benefit from it. 719 00:32:58,290 --> 00:32:59,980 You would have been better off just burning the fossil fuels... 720 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280 ...in the first place, instead of playing pretend. 721 00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:04,620 That green energy has nothing... 722 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,560 ...to do with fossil fuels is apparently a story... 723 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:09,690 ...only meant for you and me. 724 00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:11,270 Here is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., 725 00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:14,330 speaking to oil and gas company insiders. 726 00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:17,810 It's a combination solar gas plant. 727 00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:20,220 It's a turbine that we just take from a gas plant, 728 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,730 suspend it from a big scaffolding, a tower, 729 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:25,070 and surround it by giant mirrors in the desert. 730 00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:26,867 The plants that we're building, the wind plants... 731 00:33:26,967 --> 00:33:28,970 ...and the solar plants, are gas plants. 732 00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:31,960 What kind of game is being played? 733 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:36,730 Well we're basically just being fed a lie. 734 00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:37,870 For instance, you'll hear... 735 00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:39,830 ...about Germany running on wind and solar. 736 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:41,280 35% right now. 737 00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:43,260 50% of their power. 738 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,180 They were days this past summer... 739 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,930 ...when the Germans were generating 80%... 740 00:33:47,030 --> 00:33:48,510 ...of their power from the sun. 741 00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:49,343 But Germany... 742 00:33:49,443 --> 00:33:53,353 ...is still Europe's largest consumer of coal. 743 00:33:58,295 --> 00:33:59,280 Uhh. 744 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:00,430 Only a small fraction... 745 00:34:00,530 --> 00:34:03,190 ...of their energy actually comes from wind and solar. 746 00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:05,840 In fact, Germany just built a large terminal... 747 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:09,670 ...to import natural gas from the United States. 748 00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:11,010 Elon Musk, the founder of Tesla, 749 00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:13,130 when he announced his Gigafactory battery plant, 750 00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:16,020 he said it would power itself with wind and solar energy. 751 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,590 Through a combination of geothermal wind and solar, 752 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,960 it will produce all energy that it needs. 753 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,610 But in fact, it has lines connecting it... 754 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:28,640 ...to the same electrical grid that we're all connected to. 755 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,160 Electric cars, wind turbines... 756 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:37,240 ...and solar panels use rare earth metals. 757 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:38,640 And in fact, the rare earth mine is... 758 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:40,960 ...right up the street from here. 759 00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:43,820 In mining these deep deposits, about 90%... 760 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,040 ...of what they pull up out of the ground contains uranium, 761 00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:50,530 thorium and low level of other radionuclides. 762 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:53,402 Radioactive waste that has to be disposed of somehow, 763 00:34:53,502 --> 00:34:55,950 they kind of turn into a paste and spread it... 764 00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:57,340 ...over the desert floor. 765 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,570 Well, that's good for the desert, right. 766 00:34:58,670 --> 00:35:01,050 Yeah, the desert loves that. 767 00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:04,310 Tesla's electric cars are built with aluminum, 768 00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:05,820 which uses eight times more energy... 769 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,460 ...to manufacture than steel. 770 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,010 They use lithium, which also rely on toxic mining. 771 00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:13,060 And even more graphite, which is one... 772 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,530 ...of the rarest forms of carbon. 773 00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:16,750 In fact, the investors wanted... 774 00:35:16,850 --> 00:35:18,620 ...to open several new graphite mines... 775 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,410 ...after Tesla announced the Gigafactory. 776 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:23,240 Apple claims to be 100% renewable. 777 00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:26,200 We never stop thinking about what's best for the planet. 778 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,733 We now run Apple on 100% renewable energy. 779 00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:34,180 All of our facilities, worldwide. 780 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,500 And they did chop down a forest... 781 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,560 ...to put up solar panels near their North Carolina plant. 782 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:41,180 But they didn't disconnect from the grid and they can't. 783 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,310 Duke says energy hungry companies... 784 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:46,310 ...like Apple can never go entirely off the grid. 785 00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:49,218 They're still hooked up to our grid. 786 00:35:49,318 --> 00:35:50,750 Despite all the claims. 787 00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:53,580 I haven't found a single entity anywhere in the world... 788 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,590 ...that's running on 100% solar and wind alone. 789 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,170 It turns out, you don't just need fossil fuels... 790 00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:06,290 ...to run a place like Ivanpah, you need the devil himself, 791 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:09,140 or in this case, themselves. 792 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,500 All of the mirrors that you see there are built... 793 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,090 ...by the Koch brothers, Guardian Glass Industry, 794 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:15,300 a company that they control. 795 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,726 Koch Carbon creates a lot of the inputs that are used... 796 00:36:17,826 --> 00:36:20,470 ...to create the cement and the concrete and the steel. 797 00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:22,620 And not only that, they build the plants... 798 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,720 ...that builds polysilicon for solar cells. 799 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:25,553 They have, actually, 800 00:36:25,653 --> 00:36:28,150 their own solar line called Solar Molex. 801 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:31,520 From every step of the process, the Koch brothers are there. 802 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:33,490 But, they're the evil doers. 803 00:36:33,590 --> 00:36:35,080 Yeah (laughing), the funny part is... 804 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:37,170 ...that when you criticize solar plants like this, 805 00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:40,480 you're accused of working for the Koch brothers. 806 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:42,510 That's the idiocy in all of this. 807 00:36:42,610 --> 00:36:44,890 This absolutely can not extend civilization's life. 808 00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:48,110 This relies on the most toxic and industrial processes... 809 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:50,505 ...that we've ever created. 810 00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:13,830 The beauty of a solar facility, 811 00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:15,250 and particularly this technology, 812 00:39:15,350 --> 00:39:18,750 is that it is so environmentally benign. 813 00:39:39,587 --> 00:39:40,610 I, too, had once thought... 814 00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:44,195 ...that deserts could be sacrifice zones. 815 00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:46,420 I was wrong. 816 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Deserts are not dead. 817 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,280 They are, in fact, full of ancient life. 818 00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:07,100 In the desert, the Joshua tree stands, waiting, 819 00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:10,150 waiting for the giant ground sloths... 820 00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:13,870 ...and the mammoths that shall never return. 821 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:17,230 The Joshua tree depended on the giant mammals... 822 00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:20,040 ...to reach up high and eat their seeds, 823 00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:23,030 and thus disperse the Joshua tree. 824 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,190 But now, stranded in time and space, 825 00:40:29,290 --> 00:40:32,180 the Joshua tree awaits a new fate. 826 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,500 To be sacrificed... 827 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,975 ...in the name of progress. 828 00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:40,730 Joshua trees are torn down to make way for solar projects. 829 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:42,710 23ABC's Cassie Carlisle travels... 830 00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:45,080 ...to the Mojave Desert to talk to neighbors. 831 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:46,760 They're not your usual tree. 832 00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:48,360 More like something from fiction, 833 00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:51,000 but these Joshuas are causing quite an uproar. 834 00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,520 No, it makes me sick that they're clearing them off, 835 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:55,360 killing them real quick. 836 00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:56,820 And now they're grinding them up, 837 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,640 getting rid of all the evidence. 838 00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:03,320 (powerful dramatic music). 839 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:09,130 Not far from Ivanpah Solar. 840 00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:10,610 Daggett, California was home... 841 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:13,400 ...to several generations of solar arrays. 842 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,070 Including some of the first on the planet. 843 00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:22,280 Ozzie and I thought we would take a trip... 844 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:24,845 ...to see where it all began. 845 00:41:37,921 --> 00:41:40,260 This is one of the sunniest places in the planet, really, 846 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,540 and it's the center of the solar industry... 847 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,060 ...and they've been building and dismantling... 848 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,155 ...and building arrays here for about 40 years. 849 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,383 Then we happened to run... 850 00:41:51,483 --> 00:41:53,242 ...into the mayor of Daggett. 851 00:41:53,342 --> 00:41:55,550 And then the solar plants out there, my husband, 852 00:41:55,650 --> 00:42:00,170 back in, I'd say '83, '84, they worked out there building... 853 00:42:00,270 --> 00:42:01,100 ...that solar plant out there. 854 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,070 Yeah, the SEGS. 855 00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:04,540 And everybody here worked. 856 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,373 How's that hold up? 857 00:42:05,473 --> 00:42:07,060 Is it, are the jobs still here? 858 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:07,893 No. 859 00:42:07,993 --> 00:42:09,700 Jobs went bye-bye. 860 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,650 They have their normal people that run the plant, 861 00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:13,600 plant operators and stuff like that, 862 00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,820 the big wigs, you know, they have that. 863 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,030 Where that energy's going, I don't know. 864 00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:19,950 Were you originally optimistic... 865 00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:22,084 ...that the solar would bring more jobs... 866 00:42:22,184 --> 00:42:23,080 ...and development for people? 867 00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:24,442 Yeah, we really did, we really did. 868 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,250 A lot of things come into this town, they come and go. 869 00:42:27,350 --> 00:42:29,350 They go really fast. 870 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:34,010 Do you see this? 871 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:36,080 Then Ozzie and I discovered... 872 00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:40,540 ...that the giant solar arrays had been razed to the ground. 873 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,640 Oh, my God. 874 00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:45,410 I mean, this was huge. 875 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:52,420 It suddenly dawned on me what we were looking at. 876 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,520 A solar dead zone. 877 00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:57,280 Look at the blowing sand. 878 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:58,310 Yeah. 879 00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:59,370 There's sand everywhere, 880 00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:01,710 there's sand dunes forming around this area. 881 00:43:01,810 --> 00:43:03,810 Wow. 882 00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:19,755 So, after all the mining, 883 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,360 the fossil fuels, 884 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,950 the toxins, 885 00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:26,600 the environmental destruction, 886 00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:29,055 here's what happens next. 887 00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:32,740 Only a few years after it was built, 888 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,070 things at Ivanpah began to fall apart. 889 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,875 Broken mirrors littered the desert. 890 00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:46,070 Yes, these giant solar... 891 00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:49,100 ...and wind technology installations may last... 892 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,200 ...only a few decades, 893 00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:56,395 then tear it down and start all over again. 894 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,075 If there is enough planet left. 895 00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:08,500 It was becoming clear that... 896 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,130 ...what we have been calling green, renewable energy... 897 00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:16,650 ...and industrial civilization, are one and the same. 898 00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:20,720 Desperate measures not to save the planet, 899 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,860 but to save our way of life. 900 00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:30,270 Desperate measures rather than face the reality, 901 00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:34,330 humans are experiencing the planet's limits... 902 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:36,270 ...all at once. 903 00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:39,770 Every different perspective I look at... 904 00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:43,360 ...and imagine, well, we could do more of this, 905 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:46,520 or go to a larger area or use more of that. 906 00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:48,840 Well, it turns out, there isn't more. 907 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:51,880 I looked at marine production and fish production... 908 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,210 ...and found that peaked 20 years ago. 909 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,925 More and more of what we eat is from fish farming. 910 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,510 The current acres of actively farmed land, 911 00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:05,610 that has peaked also. 912 00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:08,120 The rivers are already being irrigated... 913 00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:11,230 ...to about the limits of what they can sustain. 914 00:45:11,330 --> 00:45:15,665 The Colorado River doesn't get to the ocean anymore. 915 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,240 Well, then you start looking at ground water, 916 00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:20,160 the southern great plains, 917 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:23,300 and I think they can almost predict when they will run out... 918 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,395 ...of ground water and it's in a decade or two. 919 00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:31,450 A human vulnerability at the global scale, 920 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:35,230 that any one of them we could maybe compartmentalize, 921 00:45:35,330 --> 00:45:37,120 but we're seeing them propagating... 922 00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:42,235 ...across topic after topic of society and the earth system. 923 00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:45,970 And I don't think the people... 924 00:45:46,070 --> 00:45:49,215 ...in charge are near nervous enough. 925 00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:54,933 [Jeff] Though each... 926 00:45:55,033 --> 00:45:56,790 ...of them takes climate change seriously, 927 00:45:56,890 --> 00:45:59,040 every expert I talked to wanted... 928 00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:02,160 ...to bring my attention to the same, underlying problem. 929 00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:07,060 They're too many human beings using too much, too fast. 930 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,310 As a global community, we really have got... 931 00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:12,020 ...to start dealing with the issue of population. 932 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,350 Population growth continues to be the, 933 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,820 not the elephant, the herd of elephants, in the room. 934 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,260 [Jeff] Can a single species... 935 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,880 ...that's come to dominate an entire planet--... 936 00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:26,860 Be smart enough to voluntarily limit its own presence? 937 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,488 [Jeff] Is there any precedence for that in nature? 938 00:46:28,588 --> 00:46:30,120 (laughing)... 939 00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:30,953 Wow. 940 00:46:31,053 --> 00:46:35,303 We have to have our abilities to consume reined in. 941 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,180 Because we're not good at reining them in... 942 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,020 ...if there are seemingly unrestrained resources. 943 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,980 Species hit the population wall a lot and then they crash. 944 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,800 I mean, that's a common story in biology. 945 00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:51,910 If that happens to us, in a way, 946 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:53,610 it's the natural order of things. 947 00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:57,600 And I don't think we're gonna find a way out of this one. 948 00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:58,483 I don't. 949 00:46:58,583 --> 00:46:59,316 [Jeff] As a scientist, 950 00:46:59,416 --> 00:47:00,970 what leads you to that conclusion? 951 00:47:01,070 --> 00:47:05,490 Well, because right now, a large percentage... 952 00:47:05,590 --> 00:47:09,550 ...of that number is supported by industrial agriculture, 953 00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:11,550 which is heavily subsidized by oil. 954 00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:13,775 And it's not sustainable. 955 00:47:15,976 --> 00:47:17,111 And there's no going back. 956 00:47:17,211 --> 00:47:20,590 Without seeing some sort of major die off in population, 957 00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:22,730 there's no turning back. 958 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:24,223 [Jeff] What's the thing that nobody ever asked you... 959 00:47:24,323 --> 00:47:25,790 ...that you want--... 960 00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:27,890 ...(laughing)... 961 00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:30,810 Nobody's ever asked me if I'm scared. 962 00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:31,693 [Jeff] Yeah. 963 00:47:31,793 --> 00:47:32,526 And, I am. 964 00:47:32,626 --> 00:47:33,470 I actually am scared. 965 00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:36,120 I lose sleep over all of this. 966 00:47:36,364 --> 00:47:38,947 (somber music)... 967 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,560 ...[Jeff] It took modern humans tens of thousands... 968 00:47:44,660 --> 00:47:48,740 ...of years to reach a population of 700 million. 969 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:50,530 And then we tapped into millions of years... 970 00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:53,550 ...of stored energy, known as fossil fuels. 971 00:47:53,650 --> 00:47:56,200 Our human population exploded. 972 00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:00,240 It increased by 10 times in a mere 200 years. 973 00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:02,480 Our consumption has also exploded. 974 00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:04,860 On average, ten times per person, 975 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,180 and many times more in the Western world. 976 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,120 You put the two together, 977 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:14,080 the result is a total human impact 100 times greater... 978 00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:16,257 ...than only 200 years ago. 979 00:48:16,357 --> 00:48:18,830 (mellow music). 980 00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:23,945 And that is the most terrifying realization I have ever had. 981 00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:30,585 We humans are poised for a fall from an unimaginable height. 982 00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:33,135 Not because of one thing. 983 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,645 Not climate change alone. 984 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,430 But all the human-caused changes... 985 00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:41,250 ...the planet is suffering from. 986 00:48:41,618 --> 00:48:43,130 (slow tempo music). 987 00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:46,350 So, why are bankers, industrialists... 988 00:48:46,450 --> 00:48:48,230 ...and environmental leaders only focused... 989 00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:52,155 ...on the narrow solution of green technology? 990 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,480 Is it the profit motive? 991 00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:58,390 And why, for most of my life, have I fallen... 992 00:48:58,490 --> 00:49:00,930 ...for the illusion green energy would save us? 993 00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:04,397 (waves lapping on shore)... 994 00:49:05,371 --> 00:49:06,154 ...(squeaking door). 995 00:49:06,254 --> 00:49:08,040 Clearly, to answer this question. 996 00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:10,250 I needed professional help. 997 00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:11,520 Keep my stuff. 998 00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:13,620 No, I never heard... 999 00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,480 I'll just be honest with you about my dilemma. 1000 00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:19,950 You can be my clinical social psych-- (laughing). 1001 00:49:20,050 --> 00:49:22,940 It's like, the right has religion. 1002 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,370 And they have a belief in infinite fossil fuels. 1003 00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:30,027 Our side says, 'Oh, it's gonna be okay, 1004 00:49:30,127 --> 00:49:31,197 'we're gonna have solar panels. 1005 00:49:31,297 --> 00:49:33,360 'We're gonna have wind towers.' 1006 00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:35,420 Soon as I heard you talk about our denial of death. 1007 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,917 I'm like, 'Could that be it? 1008 00:49:38,017 --> 00:49:40,537 'Could it be that we can't face our own mortality? 1009 00:49:40,637 --> 00:49:42,780 'Could we have a religion that we're unaware of?' 1010 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,613 Absolutely. 1011 00:49:43,713 --> 00:49:46,960 I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head. 1012 00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:50,900 What just differentiates people from all other forms... 1013 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,540 ...of life is that, we're not only here... 1014 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,090 ...but that we know that we're here. 1015 00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:59,270 If you know that you're here, then you recognize, 1016 00:49:59,310 --> 00:50:02,440 even dimly, that you'll not be here someday. 1017 00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:05,930 And on top of that, we don't like that we're animals. 1018 00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:07,960 So, we don't like that we're gonna die someday. 1019 00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:10,000 We don't like that you could walk outside... 1020 00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:12,080 ...and get hit by a fuckin' meteor. 1021 00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:14,090 What human beings did back... 1022 00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:17,220 ...in yesteryear is to envelop ourselves... 1023 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,920 ...in culturally constructive belief systems. 1024 00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:21,350 You know, call them cultures, 1025 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:25,280 call them world views, schemes of things. 1026 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:29,280 Whatever you call them, every human community has them. 1027 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:33,450 Every culture has an account of the origin of the Universe. 1028 00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:35,060 Every culture has a prescription... 1029 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,910 ...for how you're supposed to behave while you're here. 1030 00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:40,820 And every culture offers its denizens hope of immortality, 1031 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,830 either literally or symbolically. 1032 00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:47,460 Then the question is, well, what happens when you bump... 1033 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,220 ...into people who don't share those beliefs? 1034 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,130 Whether you know it or not, whether you like it or not, 1035 00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:56,450 but that's undermining the confidence... 1036 00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:59,480 ...with which you subscribe to your own views. 1037 00:50:59,580 --> 00:51:02,060 And exposing you to the very anxiety... 1038 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,160 ...that those beliefs were constructed... 1039 00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:06,320 ...to eradicate in the first place. 1040 00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:09,210 If we're to make progress, whatever that word means, 1041 00:51:09,310 --> 00:51:12,710 or even to persist as a form of life, we're gonna need... 1042 00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:17,760 ...to radically overhaul our basic conception... 1043 00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:23,260 ...of who and what we are, and what it is that we value. 1044 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,050 Because the people that you referred to earlier, 1045 00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:29,470 both on the left and the right... 1046 00:51:29,570 --> 00:51:34,520 ...that think we're gonna be able to discover more oil. 1047 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:40,040 Or solar panel ourselves into the future, 1048 00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:43,410 where life will look pretty much like it does now. 1049 00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:45,580 You know, only cleaner or better. 1050 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,220 Either with more oil or greener oil. 1051 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,053 Or both. 1052 00:51:48,153 --> 00:51:51,160 I think that's just frankly delusional. 1053 00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:54,100 What I'm hearing is that, if I haven't come to grips... 1054 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,990 ...with my own anxiety about death and life, 1055 00:51:58,090 --> 00:52:02,420 and presented with a reminder of that, I'm highly likely... 1056 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,290 ...to make some tragic decisions for the community. 1057 00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:08,380 Yes. 1058 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,430 The only solution in principle is, as Albert Camus put it, 1059 00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:17,427 he said, 'There's only one liberty, to come to terms... 1060 00:52:17,527 --> 00:52:21,140 'with death, thereafter anything is possible.' 1061 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:24,403 I find that downright inspiring. 1062 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,810 As for our environmental leaders, 1063 00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:29,920 who dwell in comfortable illusions, 1064 00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:34,355 how tragic of decisions were they capable of making? 1065 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,840 I was about to find out. 1066 00:52:51,731 --> 00:52:54,280 They claim they're just using forest residues, 1067 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:57,440 but actually a great deal of what the McNeil facility, 1068 00:52:57,540 --> 00:53:00,440 and lots of biomass facilities burn, is whole trees. 1069 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:02,560 As you can see by this pile that's stacked right... 1070 00:53:02,660 --> 00:53:06,400 ...outside of the facility, these are trees. 1071 00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:08,350 It turns out that the biggest source... 1072 00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:12,970 ...of green energy in Vermont is something called biomass. 1073 00:53:13,070 --> 00:53:16,130 Burning trees to create electricity. 1074 00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:18,870 This is definitely not the way. 1075 00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:21,380 At the first step is actually looking at our lifestyles, 1076 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,965 how we can reduce our energy consumption. 1077 00:53:25,350 --> 00:53:30,365 This is all the ash that has varying levels of toxic metals, 1078 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:32,190 a great deal of radiation... 1079 00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:33,560 ...because these trees have been absorb... 1080 00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:35,660 Oops, there's the... 1081 00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:40,557 You're in unforbidden territory there. 1082 00:53:40,657 --> 00:53:41,390 Are we? 1083 00:53:41,490 --> 00:53:44,120 May I ask both of you to come up to our office, okay. 1084 00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:45,050 Is that something you're interested in doing? 1085 00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:47,830 It's not an interest, you've got five seconds... 1086 00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:49,061 ...or I'm calling 911. 1087 00:53:49,161 --> 00:53:49,894 Okay. 1088 00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:53,033 We've got two individuals here--. 1089 00:53:54,272 --> 00:53:56,340 Police will be down here in about two minutes. 1090 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,840 You asked us to leave and we're doing so. 1091 00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:59,030 I'm not asking you to leave. 1092 00:53:59,130 --> 00:54:01,160 I'm asking you to come up to the office. 1093 00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:02,620 Okay, thanks for the offer. 1094 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,720 Maybe next time. 1095 00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:09,390 You got everything here. 1096 00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:12,160 You have the number one polluter in the state... 1097 00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:14,710 ...that people think, and it's magical fairy dust... 1098 00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:16,620 ...from the smokestack. 1099 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,490 Reality is what you have is a facility... 1100 00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:22,420 ...that burns 400,000 green tons a year of trees. 1101 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,800 This facility burns thirty cords of wood per hour. 1102 00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:26,900 That's a hell of lot of wood. 1103 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,733 And on top of that, 1104 00:54:27,833 --> 00:54:30,600 it actually burns natural gas, as well. 1105 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:31,810 And to think you would have to have 10... 1106 00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:35,110 ...of these to replace one average coal-fired power plant. 1107 00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:36,510 It's just not gonna work. 1108 00:54:36,610 --> 00:54:37,840 It's just nuts. 1109 00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:39,570 It takes great deal of fossil fuels... 1110 00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:42,180 ...to cut down all these trees, 1111 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,180 to truck 'em in, to use the big machinery... 1112 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,980 ...to dump the wood chips everywhere. 1113 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,483 So, the idea that somehow this is not anything to do... 1114 00:54:48,583 --> 00:54:51,240 ...with fossil fuels just doesn't even make any sense. 1115 00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:53,900 It couldn't happen without fossil fuels, in fact. 1116 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,510 How did the environmental groups... 1117 00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:56,550 ...get pulled into this? 1118 00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:59,160 Obviously, the main factor is delusion. 1119 00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:01,830 A lot of these environmental groups have been saying... 1120 00:55:01,930 --> 00:55:03,890 ...that all we have to do is, for instance, 1121 00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:06,170 switch our fossil fuel economy over... 1122 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:08,160 ...to a few solar panels and windmills, 1123 00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:11,690 and we can continue living life as normal. 1124 00:55:11,790 --> 00:55:13,840 Some of the environmental groups have been, 1125 00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:17,860 for years, touting facilities like this saying that, 1126 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,060 number one, it's carbon neutral. 1127 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,670 That this will actually help us fend off climate change... 1128 00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:28,000 ...because there are no CO2 emissions. 1129 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,120 It actually emits over 400 thousand tons... 1130 00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:32,770 ...per year of carbon dioxide. 1131 00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:35,360 Oh, but once we but them, they'll grow back. 1132 00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:38,920 They'll grow back over a period of decades to centuries. 1133 00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:40,900 We cut every tree in the United States, 1134 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,780 it would be able to power the country for a year. 1135 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,535 Then what happens when those trees are gone? 1136 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,880 I discovered biomass plants... 1137 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:58,295 ...were not even always biomass plants. 1138 00:55:58,330 --> 00:56:00,530 It's actually a solid waste incinerator... 1139 00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:02,620 ...that's posing as a biomass plant. 1140 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,910 The impact in this community is severe. 1141 00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:11,250 The plant is right next Head Start school... 1142 00:56:11,350 --> 00:56:12,980 ...for preschool kids. 1143 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,760 There is Green Hill Manor and... 1144 00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:18,770 ...that's an assisted living senior residence. 1145 00:56:18,850 --> 00:56:22,230 And there's also a Catholic elementary school... 1146 00:56:22,330 --> 00:56:24,330 ...right next door. 1147 00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:26,060 How do you know they're polluting? 1148 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:26,893 Can you see it ever? 1149 00:56:26,993 --> 00:56:27,760 We can see it. 1150 00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:30,190 The snow at the elementary school... 1151 00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:35,050 ...and at the preschool is covered with black, 1152 00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:36,800 some kind of black soot. 1153 00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:38,350 We just had it analyzed... 1154 00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:43,400 ...and it came back as mostly tire chips. 1155 00:56:44,090 --> 00:56:47,235 They have to add tire-derived fuel... 1156 00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:49,360 ...to raise the temperature of the fire, 1157 00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:52,870 because anybody whose tried to burn green wood or wet wood, 1158 00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:56,115 knows that it doesn't burn very well. 1159 00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:57,480 But this biomass plant had... 1160 00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,620 ...yet another surprise. 1161 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,820 They admit that they burn 20.1 tons per hour... 1162 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,360 ...of creosote treated railroad ties. 1163 00:57:06,460 --> 00:57:11,440 Besides that, they are allowed to burn 500 pounds per hour... 1164 00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:15,260 ...of PCP treated railroad ties. 1165 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,165 These are shipped in from Canada. 1166 00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:22,310 It's not green, it's not renewable, it's not carbon-neutral, 1167 00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:24,560 it's not anything that they claim it to be. 1168 00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:28,310 Yet, they got $11.5 million grant... 1169 00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:31,860 ...because it was classified as renewable. 1170 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,550 The plant owner told us... 1171 00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:38,290 ...that they were having trouble getting enough wood chips. 1172 00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:41,900 And he even asked us if we had any scrap wood... 1173 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,850 ...where we lived, would we call the plant... 1174 00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:47,740 ...and let them know so they could come up and pick it up. 1175 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,573 We're not talking... 1176 00:57:48,673 --> 00:57:50,790 ...about some old industrial site, 1177 00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:52,250 we're next to one of the most beautiful places in the world. 1178 00:57:52,350 --> 00:57:55,110 We re next to Lake Superior, this is Keweenaw B... 1179 00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:59,465 This is actually L'Anse Bay, it's part of Keweenaw Bay. 1180 00:57:59,565 --> 00:58:04,565 It's Lake Superior, our lake. 1181 00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:09,160 So, it's a very sacred place to many people. 1182 00:58:13,877 --> 00:58:15,275 Are you with the news? 1183 00:58:15,375 --> 00:58:16,108 No, there's supposed... 1184 00:58:16,208 --> 00:58:17,020 ...to be a climate change rally. 1185 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,120 Oh. 1186 00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:24,970 Michigan State University students, 1187 00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:28,300 inspired by 350. org, were holding a rally... 1188 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,735 ...for the clean energy future they'd been promised. 1189 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:37,920 Imagine when I found out... 1190 00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:41,630 ...that it is the largest on-campus coal plant in the nation. 1191 00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:44,200 The goal is to get the whole world moving... 1192 00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:46,300 ...beyond fossil fuels. 1193 00:58:47,611 --> 00:58:51,884 Who wants to do a 350 sign on the steps?' 1194 00:58:51,984 --> 00:58:53,830 But it turned out Michigan State had a form... 1195 00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:58,110 ...of green energy in mind the students did not support. 1196 00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:59,480 The university contracted... 1197 00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:02,330 ...with a energy contracting company. 1198 00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:04,060 They put together a modeling tool. 1199 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,500 First two or three months... 1200 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,540 ...that the steering committee was using this modeling tool, 1201 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,270 it didn't even contain data for wind or solar. 1202 00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:12,150 So there was. 1203 00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:13,500 Adam told me they were planning on... 1204 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,460 ...substituting coal burning with biomass burning. 1205 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,430 But the permit that is currently being considered... 1206 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:23,120 ...by the state is a permit for 24,000 tons of biomass. 1207 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,710 I think per year. 1208 00:59:25,810 --> 00:59:28,541 And the plan is to do that in all four boilers. 1209 00:59:28,641 --> 00:59:30,230 Unfortunately, the steering committee considers... 1210 00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:32,420 ...biomass renewable at the moment. 1211 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,121 Which we're not happy with. 1212 00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:38,920 Michigan State wasn't the only university... 1213 00:59:39,020 --> 00:59:41,020 ...to go green. 1214 00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:43,690 I'm happy to announce that Carolina will be going... 1215 00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:46,800 ...beyond coal in the next decade. 1216 00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:50,260 Now, as we begin to wean ourselves on coal, we are about... 1217 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,780 ...to try another alternative energy source, biomass. 1218 00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:55,713 And who was here... 1219 00:59:55,813 --> 00:59:57,410 ...to help the University of North Carolina switch... 1220 00:59:57,510 --> 01:00:00,740 ...from burning coal to burning trees? 1221 01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:03,500 So, it is a great pleasure to be here today... 1222 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,450 ...to celebrate the remarkable step... 1223 01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:07,837 ...that the university is taking to say, 1224 01:00:07,937 --> 01:00:10,147 'We're gonna do our part.' 1225 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,890 A remarkable step, indeed. 1226 01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:15,640 We're to do our part by getting out... 1227 01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:17,750 ...of bed with coal companies... 1228 01:00:17,850 --> 01:00:21,165 ...and into bed with logging companies? 1229 01:00:22,010 --> 01:00:24,080 Where did the idea of colleges going green... 1230 01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:27,230 ...by burning trees come from, anyway? 1231 01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:32,260 A little college called Middlebury in the heart of Vermont. 1232 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,870 Welcome to the celebration of the opening... 1233 01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:38,670 ...of Middlebury's new biomass gasification system. 1234 01:00:38,770 --> 01:00:40,830 It's now my great pleasure to introduce... 1235 01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:44,585 ...this afternoon's speaker, Bill McKibben. 1236 01:00:44,810 --> 01:00:47,615 What powers a learning community? 1237 01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:50,420 And as of this afternoon, the easy answer... 1238 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,110 ...to that is wood chips. 1239 01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:56,140 It's incredibly beautiful to stand over there... 1240 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,160 ...and see that big bunker full of wood chips. 1241 01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:02,080 You can put any kind of wood in, oak, willow, 1242 01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,040 whatever you want. 1243 01:01:03,140 --> 01:01:05,970 Pretty much anything that burns, we can toss in there... 1244 01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:08,210 ...if we can chip it down to the right size. 1245 01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:10,810 And there are very few similar cases anyplace... 1246 01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:14,400 ...in this country of that kind of change over that scale. 1247 01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:15,947 But it shows it could happen anywhere... 1248 01:01:16,047 --> 01:01:17,660 ...and it should happen anywhere. 1249 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,070 In fact, it must happen everywhere. 1250 01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:23,380 It must happen everywhere. 1251 01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:27,990 And now it's time for a nature break. 1252 01:01:28,090 --> 01:01:31,089 Enjoying our sustainably managed Michigan forests. 1253 01:01:31,189 --> 01:01:32,620 (classical piano music)... 1254 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,007 If you walk through here and you look, 1255 01:01:34,107 --> 01:01:36,440 there's virtually nothing growing. 1256 01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:39,515 A little bit of grass occasionally. 1257 01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:42,600 And it seemed that biomass plants, indeed, 1258 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:44,825 were suddenly everywhere, 1259 01:01:44,890 --> 01:01:47,950 like this one in Cadillac, Michigan. 1260 01:01:49,817 --> 01:01:51,250 In Detroit, an incinerator... 1261 01:01:51,350 --> 01:01:54,980 ...that burned garbage was considered green. 1262 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,250 The Detroit incinerator is known to emit horrible smells... 1263 01:01:58,350 --> 01:02:00,850 ...and pollutants that neighbors say make them feel sick... 1264 01:02:00,950 --> 01:02:02,154 ...and put their health at risk. 1265 01:02:02,254 --> 01:02:05,320 It's a stink, it's a horrendous stink. 1266 01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:06,760 A proposed biofuel plant... 1267 01:02:06,860 --> 01:02:09,770 ...for the Upper Peninsula of Michigan would consume trees... 1268 01:02:09,870 --> 01:02:12,520 ...from tens of thousands of square miles. 1269 01:02:12,620 --> 01:02:15,490 In order to create 40 million gallons of ethanol, 1270 01:02:15,590 --> 01:02:17,520 they are going to have to use up... 1271 01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:19,590 ...over a million tons of green wood. 1272 01:02:19,690 --> 01:02:21,220 We pointed out that they were gonna be using... 1273 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,360 ...more natural gas than they were gonna be creating ethanol... 1274 01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:25,870 ...to displace the natural gas. 1275 01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:27,070 If you continue to do this, 1276 01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:29,000 you're gonna be fertilizing the forest. 1277 01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:31,225 Fertilizing forests with? 1278 01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:32,040 Fossil fuels? - Fossil fuel... 1279 01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:33,510 ...based fertilizers. 1280 01:02:33,610 --> 01:02:34,343 Made from natural gas? 1281 01:02:34,443 --> 01:02:35,959 Yeah. 1282 01:02:36,059 --> 01:02:37,720 Then came a ballot proposal backed... 1283 01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:41,750 ...by Bill McKibben and nearly every major environmental group, 1284 01:02:41,850 --> 01:02:45,480 requiring Michigan to get 25% of its electricity... 1285 01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:48,660 ...from renewable sources by the year 2025. 1286 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,420 This year, Michigan voters have a choice: 1287 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,510 keep burning dirty coal and oil or move Michigan... 1288 01:02:54,610 --> 01:02:57,660 ...to clean, renewable energy like wind and solar. 1289 01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,860 Vote yes on Proposal three. 1290 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,720 Surprisingly, Proposal three, 1291 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:06,270 also known as 25 by 25, was the brain child... 1292 01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:11,230 ...of an organization that was 100% biofuels and biomass. 1293 01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:13,760 Allowing America's farms, ranches and forest lands... 1294 01:03:13,860 --> 01:03:16,400 ...to be active participants in contributing... 1295 01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:18,430 ...to America's energy future. 1296 01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:19,770 These are the biomass... 1297 01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:23,015 ...and biofuel plants across the U.S. 1298 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,280 How did this happen? 1299 01:03:31,110 --> 01:03:32,920 And it wasn't just the U.S.A. 1300 01:03:33,020 --> 01:03:35,420 It was all around the world. 1301 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,660 Wood chips, which is just a euphemism for trees, 1302 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,470 are being exported to Europe from America. 1303 01:03:42,570 --> 01:03:46,490 British Columbia, Brazil and Indonesia. 1304 01:03:46,590 --> 01:03:49,310 Wherever they can get them from. 1305 01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:52,740 Biomass, especially when you add in biofuels, 1306 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,310 is by far the largest portion of green energy... 1307 01:03:56,410 --> 01:03:58,930 ...around the world, even in Germany, 1308 01:03:59,030 --> 01:04:01,410 source of the solar miracle. 1309 01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:05,990 But maybe I was missing something. 1310 01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:08,215 Maybe I had it all wrong. 1311 01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:12,560 I decided to ask people protesting fossil fuels... 1312 01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:16,840 ...how they felt about biomass and biofuels as green energy. 1313 01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:18,640 Would you say we don't need to do biofuels... 1314 01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:20,463 ...and food and forests for energy? 1315 01:04:20,563 --> 01:04:21,890 No, no, definitely not. 1316 01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:23,890 Of course not, of course not. 1317 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:25,680 Burning biomass, any kind of combustion, 1318 01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:28,050 is something we just need to move away from. 1319 01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:29,390 The more trees we have, the better. 1320 01:04:29,490 --> 01:04:30,690 A lot of that didn't grow overnight. 1321 01:04:30,790 --> 01:04:32,850 If we cut it down, we don't know the impact of that. 1322 01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:33,868 You're here as an oak tree? 1323 01:04:33,968 --> 01:04:34,701 Yes. 1324 01:04:34,801 --> 01:04:35,534 If I had a chainsaw, 1325 01:04:35,634 --> 01:04:36,480 that wouldn't be saving the planet, would it? 1326 01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:37,400 No, it's painful. 1327 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:38,233 It's a painful way to go. 1328 01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:39,942 I can tell you that right now. 1329 01:04:40,042 --> 01:04:41,995 It would take you a while to regrow. 1330 01:04:42,095 --> 01:04:43,011 Yeah, oh yeah. 1331 01:04:43,111 --> 01:04:45,800 But it wouldn't be me, it'd be an off-spring. 1332 01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:48,670 With so many people doing it on such a massive scale, 1333 01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:52,760 all of a sudden at once, that's pretty serious. 1334 01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:54,810 No, I think we should not be burning trees. 1335 01:04:54,910 --> 01:04:56,290 No, no. 1336 01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:57,940 Why would we cut down trees? 1337 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,360 We shouldn't replace one terrible way of getting energy... 1338 01:05:00,460 --> 01:05:01,950 ...with another terrible way of getting energy. 1339 01:05:02,050 --> 01:05:04,050 Because it's one thing. 1340 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,160 Clearly, most citizens are opposed... 1341 01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:09,555 ...to biomass and biofuels. 1342 01:05:10,725 --> 01:05:13,350 But what about environmental leaders? 1343 01:05:13,450 --> 01:05:18,110 At times, they have promoted biomass but other times, 1344 01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:21,270 they sound like they are against biomass. 1345 01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:23,537 Like this Sierra Club policy, 1346 01:05:23,637 --> 01:05:25,837 'We are deeply concerned about the implications... 1347 01:05:25,937 --> 01:05:29,270 'of wood-to-energy for native forests.' 1348 01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:32,787 Or this statement signed on by 75 environmental groups, 1349 01:05:32,887 --> 01:05:35,377 'Burning forests for energy will destroy one... 1350 01:05:35,477 --> 01:05:38,700 'of our best defenses against climate change.' 1351 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,890 But then again, their language leaves loopholes... 1352 01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:43,830 ...that enable biomass. 1353 01:05:43,930 --> 01:05:48,605 The NRDC says you must use the 'right types of biomass.' 1354 01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:49,960 The Dogwood Alliance says... 1355 01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:53,375 ...maybe small biomass plants are okay. 1356 01:05:54,020 --> 01:05:55,887 And the Sierra Club flat out states, 1357 01:05:55,987 --> 01:05:58,452 'Biomass can be sustainable.' 1358 01:06:00,150 --> 01:06:02,700 Which side are they really on? 1359 01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:05,360 I thought for sure with the camera rolling, 1360 01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:07,758 environmental leaders would speak for the trees. 1361 01:06:07,858 --> 01:06:10,439 No frackin' way. 1362 01:06:10,539 --> 01:06:14,390 Where's the science, where's the science? 1363 01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:18,140 We're here to tell a story about what the forests... 1364 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,210 ...of this state, of our commonwealth, mean to us. 1365 01:06:22,310 --> 01:06:24,560 Does your organization have any stance on that? 1366 01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:27,030 I'm not sure I would say we support it as much... 1367 01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:29,700 ...as we can wrap our heads around it. 1368 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,330 We've almost made a peace with the timber industry. 1369 01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:34,180 I'm just curious, what's your group stance... 1370 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,103 ...on using forests for biomass? 1371 01:06:37,203 --> 01:06:42,153 Biomass is renewable, biomass is sustainable. 1372 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,063 And I'm with Clean Water Action, 1373 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,190 we don't really have a stand on it. 1374 01:06:49,290 --> 01:06:51,760 If the director of the Sierra Club was here, 1375 01:06:51,860 --> 01:06:55,687 she'd be able to talk your ear off about it. 1376 01:06:55,787 --> 01:06:59,030 I'm the director for the Sierra Club in Pennsylvania. 1377 01:06:59,130 --> 01:07:00,130 Does the Sierra Club support... 1378 01:07:00,230 --> 01:07:02,440 ...or not support biomass? 1379 01:07:05,030 --> 01:07:06,500 I'm not totally prepared to talk... 1380 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,480 ...about our policy on biomass today. 1381 01:07:08,580 --> 01:07:10,910 Our position is somewhat nuanced, 1382 01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:14,240 so I just want to be careful not to... 1383 01:07:16,707 --> 01:07:17,490 ...So, you're with 350? 1384 01:07:17,590 --> 01:07:18,323 I am. 1385 01:07:18,423 --> 01:07:20,060 Do 350 have a position on biomass... 1386 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,126 'cause I'm kind of actually--... 1387 01:07:21,226 --> 01:07:23,370 I can't really speak for 350. 1388 01:07:23,470 --> 01:07:25,110 Do you personally have an opinion about... 1389 01:07:25,210 --> 01:07:28,280 ...whether we should be burning green trees for green energy? 1390 01:07:28,380 --> 01:07:31,230 No, I don't have an opinion on that. 1391 01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:33,450 I like a fire. (laughing)... 1392 01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:34,780 ...One of my biggest concern... 1393 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,540 ...as an environmentalist is that we're trying to burn trees. 1394 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,520 There are tree burning power plants. 1395 01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:40,680 Are you aware of the problems with biomass or biofuels? 1396 01:07:40,780 --> 01:07:43,793 Yeah, yeah, I'm not as aware of that... 1397 01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:45,630 ...as I could be or should be. 1398 01:07:45,730 --> 01:07:47,620 Jeff Gibbs, working on a documentary. 1399 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,160 In Michigan where I live, where I'm from, 1400 01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:51,870 there's large plants that burn trees for energy... 1401 01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:53,337 ...and pretty much whole trees chopped up. 1402 01:07:53,437 --> 01:07:54,560 Do you have a thought about whether... 1403 01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:57,320 ...that should be a part of green energy or not? 1404 01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:59,150 The great thing about green energy is... 1405 01:07:59,250 --> 01:08:00,800 ...you don't have to pick a favorite. 1406 01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:01,633 Jeff Gibbs. 1407 01:08:01,733 --> 01:08:02,500 Oh, hello. 1408 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,880 My biggest concern is that in Germany, for instance, 1409 01:08:04,980 --> 01:08:06,730 they're moving toward solar and wind... 1410 01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:09,930 ...but 60% of their actual energy is coming from biomass. 1411 01:08:10,030 --> 01:08:12,460 60% of what's considered renewable energy. 1412 01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:13,730 Burning trees for energy? 1413 01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:15,570 I don't know the details out of Germany. 1414 01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:17,360 What Germany's really doing is a lot... 1415 01:08:17,460 --> 01:08:20,350 ...of sun related and that's really powerful to see. 1416 01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:21,230 I'd like to see us come out... 1417 01:08:21,330 --> 01:08:22,063 ...against any burning of trees. 1418 01:08:22,163 --> 01:08:23,027 All right, well go and do it. 1419 01:08:23,127 --> 01:08:23,860 For clean energy. 1420 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,265 Would you? 1421 01:08:25,365 --> 01:08:27,880 Although I confess I stoke my wood stove... 1422 01:08:27,980 --> 01:08:29,130 ...almost every night of the winter, 1423 01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:30,415 so I'm not really the right person to ask. 1424 01:08:30,515 --> 01:08:32,401 But designating green energy for power plants. 1425 01:08:32,501 --> 01:08:35,140 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 1426 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,848 It's not what this day's about. 1427 01:08:36,948 --> 01:08:38,524 But if we're burning trees... 1428 01:08:38,624 --> 01:08:40,919 ...instead of fossil fuels. 1429 01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:42,860 from Taiwan. 1430 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,450 Oh, good. 1431 01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:47,396 We're wondering what role do you want... 1432 01:08:47,496 --> 01:08:48,899 ...to play in this? 1433 01:08:48,999 --> 01:08:52,739 I think the biomass question's a non-starter. 1434 01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:58,480 I found only one environmental leader willing... 1435 01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:01,470 ...to reject biomass and biofuels. 1436 01:09:02,530 --> 01:09:03,530 So we are talking... 1437 01:09:03,630 --> 01:09:07,700 ...of the old oil economy trying... 1438 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,570 ...to maintain itself now... 1439 01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:13,600 ...through another raw material, the green planet. 1440 01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:17,370 The only reason corn and soy has been planted for biofuel... 1441 01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:20,195 ...in this country is the subsidies make it profitable. 1442 01:09:20,295 --> 01:09:23,695 I think the big crisis of our time is... 1443 01:09:24,002 --> 01:09:27,980 ...our minds have been manipulated to give power to illusions. 1444 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,320 We shifted to measuring growth, 1445 01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:34,470 not in terms of how life is enriched... 1446 01:09:34,570 --> 01:09:38,055 ...but in terms of how life is destroyed. 1447 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,495 Her honesty was refreshing. 1448 01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:46,270 But as for the rest of them, I wondered, 1449 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,880 what are they hiding? 1450 01:09:50,750 --> 01:09:53,045 And why are they hiding it? 1451 01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:56,350 Is it their ignorance? 1452 01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:59,660 Or is it something else? 1453 01:10:01,210 --> 01:10:05,120 What if they, themselves, had become misguided? 1454 01:10:05,890 --> 01:10:07,750 What if they've made some kind of deal... 1455 01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:10,230 ...they shouldn't have made? 1456 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:14,373 And are leading us all off the cliff? 1457 01:10:22,830 --> 01:10:24,580 It was long past time for me to come to grips... 1458 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,800 ...with the other elephant in the living room. 1459 01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:29,900 The profit motive. 1460 01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:33,270 The only reason we've been force fed the story, 1461 01:10:33,370 --> 01:10:37,535 climate change plus renewables equals we're saved, 1462 01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:39,440 is because billionaires, bankers... 1463 01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:42,515 ...and corporations profit from it. 1464 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,850 And the reason we're not talking about over-population, 1465 01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:50,285 consumption and the suicide of economic growth is... 1466 01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:53,690 ...that would be bad for business. 1467 01:10:53,790 --> 01:10:55,790 Especially the cancerous form of capitalism... 1468 01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:57,770 ...that rules the world. 1469 01:10:57,870 --> 01:11:00,570 Now hiding under a cover of green. 1470 01:11:00,670 --> 01:11:02,320 Today Bloomberg Philanthropies is making. 1471 01:11:02,420 --> 01:11:05,040 I'm happy to announce, a new investment... 1472 01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:09,050 ...of $30 million in the Beyond Coal campaign. 1473 01:11:11,230 --> 01:11:12,013 We have more. 1474 01:11:12,113 --> 01:11:13,100 I'm glad to say that more... 1475 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,450 ...than a dozen additional funders have committed... 1476 01:11:15,550 --> 01:11:18,015 ...to match that $30 million. 1477 01:11:20,256 --> 01:11:22,280 And who were these new partners? 1478 01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:24,110 One of them was Jeremy Grantham. 1479 01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:28,800 Billionaire, world's leading timber investment advisor. 1480 01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:30,930 They were not investing in trees... 1481 01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:34,260 ...to turn them into nature preserves. 1482 01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:37,190 Which might answer another riddle, 1483 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,780 why is this name redacted on the Sierra Club's tax return? 1484 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,770 Would they be embarrassed to take three million dollars... 1485 01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:47,050 ...from a man who made his living selling the forest... 1486 01:11:47,150 --> 01:11:49,150 ...to the world? 1487 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,650 Bloomberg, bringing a timber investment billionaire... 1488 01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:55,630 ...to the party, was no coincidence. 1489 01:11:55,730 --> 01:11:58,230 Bloomberg sponsored a U.N. climate session... 1490 01:11:58,330 --> 01:11:59,980 ...to discuss wrapping up biomass... 1491 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,885 ...and biofuels around the world. 1492 01:12:03,940 --> 01:12:06,340 Billionaires were in love with the idea of turning... 1493 01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:10,350 ...what was left of nature into green profits. 1494 01:12:10,730 --> 01:12:13,010 Remember when Al Gore had gotten Richard Branson... 1495 01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:15,680 ...to invest billions into saving the planet? 1496 01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:18,260 Richard Branson, founder of Virgin Atlantic, 1497 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,490 powered a Boeing 747 from London to Amsterdam... 1498 01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:24,260 ...on a coconut oil mixture to highlight the potential... 1499 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,440 ...of this amazing oil as a clean energy biofuel. 1500 01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:31,940 Branson had actually invested in biofuels. 1501 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,700 He was attempting to replace the jet fuel... 1502 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,910 ...damaging the planet with biofuels... 1503 01:12:36,010 --> 01:12:39,970 ...that required the consumption of the living planet. 1504 01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:42,550 And it was game-on for the airline industry. 1505 01:12:42,650 --> 01:12:43,640 Dozens of researchers... 1506 01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:44,900 ...from all over the northwest gathered... 1507 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,120 ...in Missoula the past two days to explore the idea... 1508 01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,020 ...of converting the region's mass of reserves... 1509 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,560 ...of wood into jet fuel. 1510 01:12:50,660 --> 01:12:53,040 Especially with the demand for aircraft fuel expected... 1511 01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:55,750 ...to grow by a billion gallons in the northwest alone. 1512 01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:58,630 United Airlines will buy a $30 million stake... 1513 01:12:58,730 --> 01:13:01,230 ...in biofuel company, Fulcrum BioEnergy. 1514 01:13:01,330 --> 01:13:05,920 The airline used 3.9 billion gallons of fuel last year. 1515 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,595 What technology was Silicon Valley billionaire. 1516 01:13:09,695 --> 01:13:12,480 Vinod Khosla hoping to profit from? 1517 01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:16,450 Nature takes a million years to produce our crude oil. 1518 01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:18,900 KiOR can produce it in seconds. 1519 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,480 The company took over this old paper mill... 1520 01:13:21,580 --> 01:13:24,680 ...where logs are picked up by a giant claw, 1521 01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:28,650 dropped into a shredder and pulverized into wood chips. 1522 01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:29,684 Clean gasoline? 1523 01:13:29,784 --> 01:13:31,520 Clean, green gasoline. 1524 01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:33,210 There must be a downside. 1525 01:13:33,310 --> 01:13:35,310 There is no downside. 1526 01:13:35,890 --> 01:13:37,720 The bank that crashed the economy, 1527 01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:40,490 ruined millions of lives and has their tentacles... 1528 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:42,560 ...on the levers of power, 1529 01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:45,533 what would their favorite form of green energy be? 1530 01:13:45,633 --> 01:13:46,910 One of the very interesting markets... 1531 01:13:47,010 --> 01:13:48,660 ...that we deal with is Brazil. 1532 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,580 It's unlike any other market in that today, 1533 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,620 alternative energy isn't really alternative energy. 1534 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,990 It's so much a part of the fabric of the society. 1535 01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:00,450 The country began to utilize its vast resources... 1536 01:14:00,550 --> 01:14:03,330 ...of sugar cane to produce ethanol. 1537 01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:05,270 There was a man from Goldman Sachs... 1538 01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:07,160 ...who was particularly in love... 1539 01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:09,880 ...with turning forests into profits. 1540 01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:12,700 Has everybody got enough coffee? 1541 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,800 Might want to get some more. 1542 01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:17,170 Meet David Blood, former CEO... 1543 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:20,755 ...of Asset Management for Goldman Sachs. 1544 01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,810 How much money did Mr. Blood believe should... 1545 01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:24,620 ...be invested in green energy? 1546 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,720 A natural alignment for something in the order... 1547 01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:31,187 ...of $40-50 trillion worth of capital. 1548 01:14:31,287 --> 01:14:33,287 $40-50 trillion. 1549 01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:37,740 And who was going to help the man from Goldman Sachs? 1550 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,330 Help him raise that astronomical amount of money? 1551 01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:43,470 A gentleman some of you may recognize... 1552 01:14:43,570 --> 01:14:45,865 ...and know, Bill McKibben. 1553 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,570 It's entirely dependent on what kind... 1554 01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:50,500 ...of political will we can muster. 1555 01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,890 And if we do not get this done very fast, 1556 01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:56,795 then we're not gonna get it done. 1557 01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:59,170 And so Bill McKibben went forth... 1558 01:14:59,270 --> 01:15:01,710 ...to generate the political will for trillions... 1559 01:15:01,810 --> 01:15:04,420 ...of dollars in green investments. 1560 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:05,660 Our next guest has been called... 1561 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,880 ...our nation's leading environmentalist. 1562 01:15:07,980 --> 01:15:09,220 And you are, in some sense, 1563 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,942 the Grand Poobah of the environmental movement. 1564 01:15:12,042 --> 01:15:16,240 My guest tonight is on a global crusade. 1565 01:15:16,340 --> 01:15:18,630 On a global crusade for what? 1566 01:15:18,730 --> 01:15:20,720 Commit to divesting from fossil fuels. 1567 01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:24,060 We can't justify investing our money into companies... 1568 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,700 ...that are basically running genesis backward. 1569 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,510 So when you divest from fossil fuels, 1570 01:15:29,610 --> 01:15:34,030 and invest in green funds, what are you investing in? 1571 01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:36,420 I took a deep dive into Securities... 1572 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,210 ...and Exchange Commission filings to find out. 1573 01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:43,160 For instance, in the Green Century Funds, 1574 01:15:43,260 --> 01:15:47,370 recommended by 350. org and Bill McKibben. 1575 01:15:47,470 --> 01:15:50,460 I found less than one percent solar and wind... 1576 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,030 ...and 99% things like mining, 1577 01:15:59,150 --> 01:16:02,295 oil and gas infrastructure companies, 1578 01:16:03,070 --> 01:16:05,790 including a tar sands exploiter. 1579 01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:09,700 McDonald's one of the companies driving meat consumption... 1580 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,800 ...across the planet. 1581 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,060 Archer Daniels Midland, 1582 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,155 one of the world's largest producers of biofuel. 1583 01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:20,790 Coca Cola, the largest creator... 1584 01:16:20,890 --> 01:16:23,695 ...of plastic pollution on earth, 1585 01:16:23,820 --> 01:16:27,040 logging and paper companies including one... 1586 01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:32,090 ...that brags about biomass burning and banks. 1587 01:16:34,170 --> 01:16:36,170 Lots of banks. 1588 01:16:37,930 --> 01:16:41,210 Including BlackRock, the largest financer... 1589 01:16:41,310 --> 01:16:43,775 ...of deforestation on earth. 1590 01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:46,550 The business that they're engaged in... 1591 01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:50,815 ...is actually destroying our life support system. 1592 01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:53,430 The Sierra Club, also partners... 1593 01:16:53,530 --> 01:16:56,845 ...with a green fund called Aspiration. 1594 01:16:57,150 --> 01:17:00,920 Aspiration also includes dozens of companies profiting... 1595 01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:04,250 ...from the destruction of the planet. 1596 01:17:04,770 --> 01:17:09,770 Including Chevron, ExxonMobil, Chesapeake Energy. 1597 01:17:10,570 --> 01:17:12,850 In order to maximize the production potential... 1598 01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:13,950 ...of the well, 1599 01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:17,110 the shale formation will be hydraulically fractured. 1600 01:17:17,210 --> 01:17:19,845 The Russian gas giant, Gazprom. 1601 01:17:20,530 --> 01:17:22,340 Gazprom owns the world's largest... 1602 01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:26,690 ...explored gas reserves, 36 trillion cubic meters. 1603 01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:30,310 And in perhaps the most bizarre twist of all, 1604 01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:34,730 the Sierra Club's green fund's biggest holding is in Viva, 1605 01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:37,190 the world's largest consumer of forests, 1606 01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:41,370 to be incinerated in green energy biomass plants. 1607 01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:49,810 Of course, one investment option is a green fund, 1608 01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:53,190 run by Bill McKibben's buddy, David Blood. 1609 01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:56,520 And who was the chairman of this fund? 1610 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,300 Someone familiar. 1611 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,320 Use capitalism, it gives incentives... 1612 01:18:01,420 --> 01:18:04,300 ...for people to do their best. 1613 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,590 Al Gore and David Blood partnered... 1614 01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:10,345 ...to form a company called Blood and Gore. 1615 01:18:11,310 --> 01:18:15,560 No, scratch that, Generation Investment Management. 1616 01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:18,800 And within this fund, Blood and Gore designated... 1617 01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:23,850 ...a special investment category targeting $650 million... 1618 01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:26,285 ...of biomass and biofuels. 1619 01:18:27,180 --> 01:18:28,910 Funny thing was, they partnered... 1620 01:18:29,010 --> 01:18:31,900 ...before Al Gore's film came out. 1621 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:38,090 Was that movie just about climate change or something else? 1622 01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:41,190 On one side, we have gold bars. 1623 01:18:41,290 --> 01:18:45,280 Mm, mm, mm. 1624 01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:46,580 Don't they look good? 1625 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,220 I'd just like to have some of those gold bars. 1626 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:53,570 On the other side of the scales, the entire planet. 1627 01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:57,310 If we do the right thing, 1628 01:18:57,410 --> 01:19:00,340 then we're gonna create a lot of wealth. 1629 01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:02,110 And when it came time for Al Gore... 1630 01:19:02,210 --> 01:19:06,850 ...to choose between the entire planet and getting him some... 1631 01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:10,930 ...of them gold bars, what choice did he make? 1632 01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:13,780 Here's Al Gore earning his keep by pretending to care... 1633 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,290 ...about the rain forest while lobbying Congress... 1634 01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:20,385 ...on behalf of the sugar cane ethanol industry. 1635 01:19:20,410 --> 01:19:21,910 Let me come in on the Brazilian effort here... 1636 01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:24,260 ...with the issue of the possibility of expanding into... 1637 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,540 ...that Amazon River basin with further deforestation... 1638 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,710 ...to produce more ethanol out of sugar cane is a worry. 1639 01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:31,690 And apparently you're not as concerned about that. 1640 01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:34,352 No, no, I am, I simply forgot. 1641 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:43,636 What's been going on there, it is really very troubling. 1642 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,523 And with your permission, I'll show you a very quick example... 1643 01:19:51,623 --> 01:19:55,031 ...of it over a period of 25 years. 1644 01:19:59,060 --> 01:20:00,970 The invasion of sugar cane on the cultures... 1645 01:20:01,070 --> 01:20:02,360 ...in the region clashes... 1646 01:20:02,460 --> 01:20:05,320 ...with the indigenous people's right to land. 1647 01:20:05,420 --> 01:20:07,800 These are images of a last ditch attempt... 1648 01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:10,650 ...by the Guarani-Kaiow� to resist eviction. 1649 01:20:10,750 --> 01:20:13,440 Important to note that the exploitation... 1650 01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:18,640 ...of the sugar cane growing areas in Brazil does not have... 1651 01:20:18,730 --> 01:20:22,560 ...to inevitably have the knock on consequence... 1652 01:20:22,660 --> 01:20:27,063 ...of causing destruction in the Amazon. 1653 01:20:28,530 --> 01:20:30,590 Sugar cane fields are burning. 1654 01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:32,600 They're set alight before the harvest... 1655 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:34,990 ...to eliminate the leaves and tops of the plant, 1656 01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:38,065 which makes cutting more efficient. 1657 01:20:39,170 --> 01:20:41,110 Environmentalists blame the seemingly... 1658 01:20:41,210 --> 01:20:44,550 ...endless sugar cane fields, the air and water pollution... 1659 01:20:44,650 --> 01:20:46,380 ...on an epic scale. 1660 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,430 And along with deforestation, the threat it poses... 1661 01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:52,930 ...to the environment is becoming clear. 1662 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,920 Once the indigenous families were expelled, 1663 01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:59,420 the land owners set their homes on fire. 1664 01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:07,930 Is there anything too terrible... 1665 01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:10,580 ...to qualify as green energy? 1666 01:21:11,850 --> 01:21:14,710 Thank you very much, Secretary Mabus and U.S. Navy for, 1667 01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:17,110 once again, inviting me to speak with you today. 1668 01:21:17,210 --> 01:21:18,675 The Navy's work to help launch... 1669 01:21:18,775 --> 01:21:22,175 ...this new fuel industry is invaluable. 1670 01:21:24,665 --> 01:21:26,610 The U.S. Navy has a special message... 1671 01:21:26,710 --> 01:21:27,443 ...this year. 1672 01:21:27,543 --> 01:21:29,668 It is time to turn green. 1673 01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:32,120 Joining the vessels is what the U.S. Navy calls, 1674 01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:33,960 it's great green fleet of warships, 1675 01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:36,930 powered by fuel from renewable sources like algae, 1676 01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:39,135 grass and animal fat. 1677 01:21:39,235 --> 01:21:41,235 Animal fat? 1678 01:21:48,473 --> 01:21:50,140 The next time you fill up... 1679 01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:51,780 ...at your neighborhood gas station, 1680 01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,850 you might find yourself pumping a little alligator... 1681 01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:55,683 ...into your tank. 1682 01:21:55,783 --> 01:21:57,800 That's right, U.L. Lafayette researchers... 1683 01:21:57,900 --> 01:21:59,530 ...have developed alligator fat... 1684 01:21:59,630 --> 01:22:03,030 ...into a renewable source for biofuels. 1685 01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:08,650 And once we run through the animals, what's next? 1686 01:22:08,690 --> 01:22:12,540 GE, who brings you nuclear energy and wind turbines, 1687 01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,640 is ready with a plan. 1688 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,280 I believe that liquid fuels, chemicals, 1689 01:22:18,380 --> 01:22:21,695 are eventually gonna have to be made... 1690 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,550 ...from sustainable raw materials. 1691 01:22:24,650 --> 01:22:26,500 We believe that seaweed is one... 1692 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,000 ...of the most attractive opportunities. 1693 01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:41,270 Better hurry. 1694 01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:47,955 One year after it was filmed, the seaweed forest was dead. 1695 01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:58,400 You might ask yourself, how could men destroy... 1696 01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:02,410 ...what remains of nature to enrich themselves? 1697 01:23:02,530 --> 01:23:06,950 Well, that's why they're billionaires and you're not. 1698 01:23:10,060 --> 01:23:11,900 The takeover of the environmental movement... 1699 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,610 ...by capitalism is now complete. 1700 01:23:14,710 --> 01:23:16,770 Environmentalists are no longer resisting those... 1701 01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:21,000 ...with a profit motive, but collaborating with them. 1702 01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:25,020 The Nature Conservancy is now the logging conservancy. 1703 01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,710 We will capture the most important pieces biologically... 1704 01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:32,760 ...and there will be another large block sold... 1705 01:23:32,860 --> 01:23:34,890 ...to timber investment groups. 1706 01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:38,360 The Union of Concerned Scientists has become the union... 1707 01:23:38,460 --> 01:23:41,360 ...of concerned salesmen, having taken millions, 1708 01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:42,710 not for science, 1709 01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:46,523 but to create markets for electric cars. 1710 01:23:48,260 --> 01:23:50,230 The Sierra Club sells electric cars... 1711 01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:53,430 ...and solar panels right from their website. 1712 01:23:53,530 --> 01:23:55,060 The best thing about Sungevity is... 1713 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,710 ...that they make it easy for you. 1714 01:23:56,810 --> 01:24:00,040 All that you have to do is to say yes. 1715 01:24:00,130 --> 01:24:02,810 The New York Times partners with ExxonMobil... 1716 01:24:02,910 --> 01:24:05,360 ...to bring you the good news about biofuels. 1717 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:06,300 Algae derived fuel... 1718 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,995 ...could help us meet growing demands. 1719 01:24:09,095 --> 01:24:11,050 Treehugger. com, which claims... 1720 01:24:11,150 --> 01:24:14,280 ...to be the largest single source of environmental news, 1721 01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:17,760 was founded and funded by Georgia Pacific, 1722 01:24:17,860 --> 01:24:19,610 a logging company. 1723 01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:22,090 In fact, they are neighbors. 1724 01:24:23,150 --> 01:24:26,390 Georgia Pacific is owned by our friends, the Koch brothers, 1725 01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:28,540 who are likely the largest recipient... 1726 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,485 ...of green energy biomass subsidies in the United States. 1727 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,510 Yes, the merger of environmentalism... 1728 01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:39,500 ...and capitalism is now complete. 1729 01:24:39,550 --> 01:24:42,210 But maybe it's always been complete. 1730 01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:45,150 How is 350. org funded? 1731 01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:46,855 Well, not very well. 1732 01:24:46,955 --> 01:24:49,370 Who are your funders? 1733 01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:51,050 To the degree that we have any money at all, 1734 01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:53,119 it's come from a few foundations in Europe and U.S. 1735 01:24:53,219 --> 01:24:55,251 Which ones? 1736 01:24:55,351 --> 01:24:56,480 Ah, let's see. 1737 01:24:56,580 --> 01:25:01,000 The, I'm trying to think who the biggest funders are. 1738 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:10,320 There's a foundation in, based in Sweden called. 1739 01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:16,404 I think it's called the Rasmuson Foundation... 1740 01:25:16,504 --> 01:25:18,600 ...that I think has been the biggest funder. 1741 01:25:18,700 --> 01:25:21,170 So you don't get money from Pew or Rockefeller... 1742 01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:22,730 ...or any of those big foundations? 1743 01:25:22,830 --> 01:25:23,563 No, we did. 1744 01:25:23,663 --> 01:25:26,470 Rockefeller Brothers Fund gave us some money right... 1745 01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:27,500 ...when we were starting out. 1746 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,640 That's been useful, too. 1747 01:25:29,730 --> 01:25:31,934 But they no longer fund you? 1748 01:25:32,034 --> 01:25:34,418 I don't know, I don't have this sort of-. 1749 01:25:34,518 --> 01:25:36,620 Really? 1750 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,443 Funders sitting in front of me. 1751 01:25:38,543 --> 01:25:40,443 That's usually something that people know. 1752 01:25:40,543 --> 01:25:43,933 Rockefeller's been one of our, is one of our, 1753 01:25:44,033 --> 01:25:46,583 is a great ally in this fight. 1754 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,335 You just sold your TV network to Al Jazeera. 1755 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,093 Right. 1756 01:25:51,193 --> 01:25:53,220 And that government is basically nothing... 1757 01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:54,500 ...but an oil producer. 1758 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:55,880 Gas, mainly and oil. 1759 01:25:55,980 --> 01:25:58,810 Your take on that, about a hundred million dollars pre-tax... 1760 01:25:58,910 --> 01:26:02,910 ...from a country that bases it's wealth on fossil fuels. 1761 01:26:03,010 --> 01:26:05,020 Isn't there a bit of hypocrisy in that? 1762 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,120 Well, I get the criticism, I just disagree with it. 1763 01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:09,790 I'm proud of the transactions. 1764 01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:13,100 You couldn't find, for your business, 1765 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,950 a more sustainable choice? 1766 01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:16,770 What is not sustainable about it? 1767 01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:19,181 Because it is backed by fossil fuel money. 1768 01:26:19,281 --> 01:26:21,523 I get it, I get it, I get it. 1769 01:26:21,623 --> 01:26:23,140 And so, if you got yourself... 1770 01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,880 ...an environmental movement and environmental leaders, 1771 01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:28,524 why not buy the holy day itself? 1772 01:26:28,624 --> 01:26:29,971 Happy Earth Day. 1773 01:26:30,071 --> 01:26:31,509 ? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ?... 1774 01:26:31,609 --> 01:26:33,454 ...? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ?... 1775 01:26:33,554 --> 01:26:35,621 ...? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ?... 1776 01:26:35,721 --> 01:26:39,091 ...? You make me want to say ?... 1777 01:26:39,191 --> 01:26:42,490 ...? Ah, you make me want to say ?... 1778 01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:45,920 Now we are facing the greatest sets of issues... 1779 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:48,120 ...that we've seen in my lifetime. 1780 01:26:48,220 --> 01:26:50,550 It's time now for a new generation to jump up... 1781 01:26:50,650 --> 01:26:53,510 ...on the stage and create a habitable country, 1782 01:26:53,610 --> 01:26:56,610 a habitable planet, that we can all enjoy. 1783 01:26:56,710 --> 01:26:58,369 Are you that generation? 1784 01:26:58,469 --> 01:27:01,480 (crowd screaming and cheering). 1785 01:27:01,580 --> 01:27:03,490 I need to thank Building Energy... 1786 01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:06,413 ...which provided so much solar power to this... 1787 01:27:06,513 --> 01:27:11,018 ...that we powered the entire event with solar energy. 1788 01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:15,050 But when I went backstage to see... 1789 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:17,160 ...what was really going on. 1790 01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:19,032 It ain't running this whole thing on that, Jack. 1791 01:27:19,132 --> 01:27:19,907 I can tell you that. 1792 01:27:20,007 --> 01:27:23,760 For a toaster is 1200 watts. 1793 01:27:23,860 --> 01:27:27,270 So, that run right there could run a toaster. 1794 01:27:27,370 --> 01:27:29,470 I found the installer. 1795 01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:30,860 Hi. 1796 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:31,880 Are they running the festival... 1797 01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:33,290 ...on these solar panels? 1798 01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:37,573 The concert is run by diesel generation system. 1799 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:43,580 They didn't ask us to energize the concert. 1800 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,040 Oh, okay. 1801 01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:45,873 And we'd also like... 1802 01:27:45,973 --> 01:27:48,290 ...to thank our incredible corporate sponsors... 1803 01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:50,780 ...have been behind the movement to end extreme poverty... 1804 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,430 ...and tackle climate change since the very beginning. 1805 01:27:53,530 --> 01:27:55,530 I want to thank Toyota. 1806 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,080 Citibank. 1807 01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,810 We want to thank Caterpillar. 1808 01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:05,630 We're standing at the destruction site... 1809 01:28:05,730 --> 01:28:07,770 ...of the Dakota Access Pipeline. 1810 01:28:07,870 --> 01:28:09,310 It looks like there are... 1811 01:28:09,410 --> 01:28:14,255 ...at least three bulldozers actually bulldozing the land. 1812 01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:18,650 People have gotten through the fence, 1813 01:28:18,750 --> 01:28:21,555 the bulldozers are still going... 1814 01:28:21,850 --> 01:28:25,675 ...and they're marching over the dirt mounds. 1815 01:28:26,181 --> 01:28:27,694 Get the fuck off. 1816 01:28:27,794 --> 01:28:28,810 Get the fuck out of here. 1817 01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:30,450 Without these partners, it wouldn't be possible. 1818 01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:34,375 Let's give them a round of applause, everyone. 1819 01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:48,955 Now I know this all might seem overwhelming. 1820 01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:50,850 It's a kind of thing... 1821 01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:54,860 ...that we normally don't try and think about. 1822 01:28:57,470 --> 01:28:59,935 But by not thinking about it, 1823 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,715 it stands a good chance of doing us in. 1824 01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,810 I truly believe that the path to change... 1825 01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,250 ...comes from awareness. 1826 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:17,815 That awareness alone can begin to create the transformation. 1827 01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:24,045 There is a way out of this. 1828 01:29:24,890 --> 01:29:28,190 We humans must accept that infinite growth... 1829 01:29:28,290 --> 01:29:31,633 ...on a finite planet is suicide. 1830 01:29:33,250 --> 01:29:36,190 We must accept that our human presence... 1831 01:29:36,290 --> 01:29:39,690 ...is already far beyond sustainability. 1832 01:29:40,510 --> 01:29:42,720 And all that that implies. 1833 01:29:44,980 --> 01:29:48,350 We must take control of our environmental movement... 1834 01:29:48,450 --> 01:29:51,810 ...and our future from billionaires... 1835 01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:55,565 ...and their permanent war on Planet Earth. 1836 01:29:56,380 --> 01:29:58,505 They are not our friends. 1837 01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:03,490 Less must be the new more... 1838 01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:06,380 ...and instead of climate change, 1839 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:09,030 we must at long last accept... 1840 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,290 ...that it's not the carbon dioxide molecule... 1841 01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:13,515 ...destroying the planet, 1842 01:30:14,268 --> 01:30:16,268 it's us. 1843 01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:24,450 It's not one thing, but everything we humans are doing. 1844 01:30:25,850 --> 01:30:29,280 A human-caused apocalypse. 1845 01:30:29,380 --> 01:30:34,310 If we get ourselves under control, all things are possible. 1846 01:30:37,656 --> 01:30:39,656 And if we don't. 145805

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