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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1600 01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:17,567 It's not as disappointing as ... 1601 01:22:18,267 --> 01:22:19,667 It is and it is not. 1602 01:22:20,533 --> 01:22:25,367 which is comforting, is knowing that he's okay now. 1603 01:22:26,733 --> 01:22:31,533 I see you have discussed it with the Maharishi this afternoon. 1604 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,333 What are the tips that he gave you? 1605 01:22:35,467 --> 01:22:36,333 He told us ... 1606 01:22:38,067 --> 01:22:40,533 not to let us overwhelm by grief and ... 1607 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,333 To make our memories with Brian happy times, 1608 01:22:43,767 --> 01:22:48,167 because all our thoughts for him will travel to him. 1609 01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:50,100 He had met Mr. Epstein? 1610 01:22:50,167 --> 01:22:52,267 No, but he couldn't wait to do it. 1611 01:22:53,167 --> 01:22:54,333 - Tomorrow? - Yes. 1612 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,233 Thank you very much. 1613 01:22:56,300 --> 01:22:59,433 In this interview, we can see that John is in shock. 1614 01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:01,733 They were really fascinated by the Maharishi. 1615 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,300 It was not another diversion. 1616 01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:06,700 They believed it. 1617 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,533 {\ an8} They were immersed in this chaotic world. 1618 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,000 {\ an8} Brian was dead. 1619 01:23:13,767 --> 01:23:14,800 And it was ... 1620 01:23:15,033 --> 01:23:16,300 EPSTEIN (THE MAN WHO MADE THE BEATLES) IS DEAD AT 32 1621 01:23:16,367 --> 01:23:22,667 There is always a moment in our lives where we turn to religion 1622 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:28,467 as a lifestyle, as a philosophy, looking for answers. 1623 01:23:28,733 --> 01:23:31,167 And that's what they did. 1624 01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,300 {\ an8} A friend called me very early. 1625 01:23:35,733 --> 01:23:39,067 {\ an8} I couldn't believe it. 1626 01:23:39,133 --> 01:23:43,533 And I said to myself: -Where are we going now?- 1627 01:23:44,667 --> 01:23:48,033 It was a terrible shock for everyone. 1628 01:23:49,467 --> 01:23:51,300 Where were we going now? 1629 01:23:51,367 --> 01:23:54,600 The Maharishi said to them: 1630 01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:58,267 -Don't worry, he ... 1631 01:23:59,133 --> 01:24:01,100 He took the next step. 1632 01:24:01,633 --> 01:24:04,000 Do not be sad. 1633 01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:07,100 He left and it will turn into that. 1634 01:24:07,167 --> 01:24:09,333 He charged them all this nonsense. 1635 01:24:10,033 --> 01:24:12,267 Unfortunately, the Beatles were interviewed 1636 01:24:13,067 --> 01:24:15,033 just after. 1637 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,600 The Maharishi had told them all these nonsense 1638 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,133 and they passed for insensitive beings. 1639 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:27,600 Brian's mother and brother Clive, 1640 01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:29,767 were furious because of that. 1641 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,733 The impression it gave. 1642 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,433 The week Brian thought go to Bangor, 1643 01:24:34,667 --> 01:24:36,500 in fact, he stayed at home. 1644 01:24:36,733 --> 01:24:40,367 That weekend, Robert Stigwood invited me 1645 01:24:40,433 --> 01:24:42,000 to have a drink. 1646 01:24:42,067 --> 01:24:44,067 When I got there, Brian was at home 1647 01:24:44,133 --> 01:24:46,300 and we sat down to watch ... 1648 01:24:46,367 --> 01:24:49,333 We watched sport on TV and we had a few drinks. 1649 01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,233 Then we went to Battersea Fun Fair 1650 01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:53,600 and we had fun for two hours. 1651 01:24:53,667 --> 01:24:56,000 We had to smoke, because we laughed a lot. 1652 01:24:56,067 --> 01:24:57,733 I remember I was laughing 1653 01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,700 and one was not without the other. 1654 01:25:00,267 --> 01:25:02,033 Then we went to dinner. 1655 01:25:02,300 --> 01:25:05,367 At the end of the dinner, Brian said to me: I would like us to do that again. 1656 01:25:05,533 --> 01:25:08,567 You are free ? And we organized a dinner the next day. 1657 01:25:08,633 --> 01:25:11,167 The next day, I found Brian at his house 1658 01:25:11,233 --> 01:25:14,567 and we went to Fredericks for dinner. 1659 01:25:15,067 --> 01:25:18,300 We went home to have a few drinks. 1660 01:25:18,633 --> 01:25:21,633 And I understood after a few drinks brandy 1661 01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:23,533 that Brian wanted me to stay. 1662 01:25:23,667 --> 01:25:26,133 But I didn't mean to. 1663 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,267 So I said to him, -I'm going.- Brian pouted. 1664 01:25:30,333 --> 01:25:33,067 I said, -Sorry. I'm leaving. It's like that.- 1665 01:25:33,433 --> 01:25:35,433 And he told me ... I was leaving and he said to me: 1666 01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:37,300 -Can you stay all weekend?- 1667 01:25:37,367 --> 01:25:39,000 And so what ? 1668 01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:42,100 I knew he wanted me to stay and I didn't want to stay. 1669 01:25:42,167 --> 01:25:45,433 I said, -We'll see later.- The next day, on the phone, he said to me: 1670 01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:47,500 -You come to spend the weekend in the countryside ?- 1671 01:25:47,567 --> 01:25:49,000 -No, I'm going to Ireland.- 1672 01:25:49,433 --> 01:25:51,600 What do we know on Brian's end of life? 1673 01:25:52,267 --> 01:25:53,133 {\ an8} Not much. 1674 01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:56,133 {\ an8} And we will never know anything. 1675 01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:01,033 {\ an8} I spoke to Jo the next day and she ... 1676 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,800 They could not... 1677 01:26:05,267 --> 01:26:06,767 They didn't know he was at home. 1678 01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:09,767 He was supposed to be to his country house. 1679 01:26:10,067 --> 01:26:13,600 And she got this call 1680 01:26:13,667 --> 01:26:16,767 from the driver saying to him: -I can't open the door.- 1681 01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:21,667 She went there and she found it. 1682 01:26:22,533 --> 01:26:25,067 I said, at that time: 1683 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,500 -I do not understand. He was so happy there. 1684 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,733 Why did he come back? 1685 01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,133 Right in the middle of the weekend? - 1686 01:26:36,633 --> 01:26:39,367 But no one will know what happened. Never. 1687 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:40,700 So... 1688 01:26:42,133 --> 01:26:44,500 You know about Brian and me. I continue ? 1689 01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:45,667 - Yes. - Okay. 1690 01:26:46,133 --> 01:26:49,500 While I was in Ireland, I got a call from a friend 1691 01:26:49,567 --> 01:26:51,200 saying: -Brian Epstein is dead.- 1692 01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:54,233 I immediately looked at the newspapers 1693 01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:57,567 and they said he was found that morning died of an overdose. 1694 01:26:57,633 --> 01:27:01,300 I had at home the very first answering machine 1695 01:27:01,367 --> 01:27:04,167 that the company had had specially for me. 1696 01:27:04,233 --> 01:27:07,333 They were experimenting what we could do with it. 1697 01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,700 I had a sixth sense inside me. 1698 01:27:09,767 --> 01:27:13,667 I knew that when I got home in London i would press the button 1699 01:27:14,033 --> 01:27:15,533 and there would be a message from Brian. 1700 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,167 I was sure of it. I came home and I pressed 1701 01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:20,267 and there were several messages from Brian. 1702 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,467 He had gone to the countryside as expected. 1703 01:27:24,033 --> 01:27:26,667 He called my house when I was not there 1704 01:27:27,033 --> 01:27:30,100 to say to me, -If you're here, join me in the countryside. - 1705 01:27:30,167 --> 01:27:32,333 Then he said, -I'm going home. 1706 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:33,433 You can pass ?- 1707 01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:36,333 I did not hear these messages. I was in Ireland. 1708 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,500 The messages continued. They were more and more vague. 1709 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,033 And it was obvious, by listening to them, 1710 01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:44,500 that he had taken pills to sleep. 1711 01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,067 Each time he woke up, he had to start again one, forgetting that he had already taken it. 1712 01:27:49,267 --> 01:27:51,400 And the last message was very vague. 1713 01:27:51,467 --> 01:27:54,200 Said, -I wish you were here.- 1714 01:27:54,667 --> 01:27:57,333 And other personal things which I will not repeat. 1715 01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,033 Then he died. 1716 01:27:59,633 --> 01:28:01,567 So I was a little involved. 1717 01:28:01,633 --> 01:28:04,700 And I did the stupid thing what the English do, 1718 01:28:04,767 --> 01:28:06,400 I erased the tape. 1719 01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:11,767 I couldn't listen to them again. 1720 01:28:12,133 --> 01:28:13,000 And There you go. 1721 01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,300 I didn't know the value of these things. 1722 01:28:24,467 --> 01:28:29,467 {\ an8} BRIAN SAMUEL EPSTEIN SEP 19, 1934 - AUGUST 27, 1967 1723 01:28:35,233 --> 01:28:37,667 Brian Epstein was part of it all. 1724 01:28:37,733 --> 01:28:39,367 And it was a real shock, 1725 01:28:39,433 --> 01:28:41,633 because we said to ourselves: -Will they recover? 1726 01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:43,000 What's going to happen ?- 1727 01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:48,267 In hindsight, it's as if he had played his part. 1728 01:28:48,767 --> 01:28:52,100 He left in this other spirit world ... 1729 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,667 They were going elsewhere. 1730 01:28:55,733 --> 01:29:00,667 They realized that they had lost a protective shield. 1731 01:29:00,733 --> 01:29:03,100 Like a protective parent. 1732 01:29:03,533 --> 01:29:07,767 Brian's negotiations weren't the best for the Beatles. 1733 01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,667 Because he was always late, negotiations already made. 1734 01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,500 He didn't understand this new territory. 1735 01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:21,200 But despite that, he was entirely dedicated to their protection. 1736 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,367 As... 1737 01:29:24,133 --> 01:29:27,300 During the sentence scandal -more popular than Jesus- 1738 01:29:27,367 --> 01:29:28,467 from John. 1739 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,400 Brian wanted to cancel the tour american 1740 01:29:31,467 --> 01:29:33,300 he was so worried about them. 1741 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,167 But, ultimately, contractually, he couldn't but he wanted to. 1742 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,067 That's what was gone, that shield. A waterproof shield 1743 01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,067 that he provided them as soon as he met them. 1744 01:29:44,467 --> 01:29:48,100 He did everything to help them ... 1745 01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:52,000 Brian's group. 1746 01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:56,567 Pete Brown and the members from the NEMS office, 1747 01:29:58,133 --> 01:30:00,133 they maintained the Beatles. 1748 01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,500 They paid their bills, 1749 01:30:02,167 --> 01:30:04,133 they bought gifts 1750 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,000 for their girlfriends and their wives. 1751 01:30:06,067 --> 01:30:07,800 It was said that Brian was not a good manager. 1752 01:30:08,033 --> 01:30:10,633 He had not been the best when they had become 1753 01:30:10,733 --> 01:30:12,700 a mega-group and to earn money. 1754 01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:14,633 But without him, they never would have existed. 1755 01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:17,167 It was his perseverance ... His affection for them, 1756 01:30:17,233 --> 01:30:19,567 his certainty that they would pierce 1757 01:30:19,633 --> 01:30:21,000 and that their music was great. 1758 01:30:21,067 --> 01:30:23,267 He did other things what managers do 1759 01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:24,400 and he did them well. 1760 01:30:24,467 --> 01:30:26,600 How to keep profiteers away from them. 1761 01:30:26,667 --> 01:30:29,267 He built a wall between them and all profiteers. 1762 01:30:29,633 --> 01:30:32,400 Which is weird, for he never succeeded in erecting a wall 1763 01:30:32,467 --> 01:30:34,567 between himself and those who took advantage of him, 1764 01:30:34,633 --> 01:30:37,200 who clung to him and stole money from him. 1765 01:30:37,267 --> 01:30:39,100 He knew how to do it with the Beatles. 1766 01:30:39,167 --> 01:30:40,567 He kept them away. 1767 01:30:40,633 --> 01:30:45,367 So without him ... Far from his cautious attitude 1768 01:30:45,433 --> 01:30:49,800 facing money and finance which has ... All the profiteers flocked. 1769 01:30:50,733 --> 01:30:53,200 Sometimes in a group, we need a referee. 1770 01:30:53,267 --> 01:30:55,700 Few groups are still agree on everything. 1771 01:30:56,067 --> 01:30:58,700 We saw that with Help! 1772 01:30:58,767 --> 01:31:02,000 when they all go through the same door and all live together 1773 01:31:02,067 --> 01:31:04,000 but it was only a moment For the movie. 1774 01:31:04,067 --> 01:31:06,433 Everyone knows that in a group, 1775 01:31:06,733 --> 01:31:09,567 the characters develop. 1776 01:31:10,233 --> 01:31:12,000 And you don't always the same view 1777 01:31:12,067 --> 01:31:16,467 but you have this thing that makes it work. 1778 01:31:16,667 --> 01:31:19,067 A consensus with which each member of the group 1779 01:31:19,133 --> 01:31:22,167 rather agrees and everything is fine. 1780 01:31:22,433 --> 01:31:27,267 When Brian left, there was no longer referee to supervise. 1781 01:31:27,333 --> 01:31:29,300 They didn't know how to do anything by themselves. 1782 01:31:29,767 --> 01:31:31,400 They had never done anything. 1783 01:31:31,467 --> 01:31:34,067 He was still there. 1784 01:31:36,333 --> 01:31:40,467 In the group, he was the one who kept it all together. 1785 01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:43,333 They bounced back pretty quickly 1786 01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,200 if we think about it logically. 1787 01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:46,667 And they launched Apple. 1788 01:31:46,733 --> 01:31:50,300 {\ an8} Apple was a financial measure to try to consolidate their fortune ... 1789 01:31:50,367 --> 01:31:52,033 {\ an8} INAUGURATION OF APPLE STORE DEC 1967 1790 01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:55,533 {\ an8}... and to try to escape at huge taxes 1791 01:31:56,033 --> 01:31:58,467 by investing in a business. 1792 01:31:59,133 --> 01:32:02,200 It was all based on ... And it was a mistake. 1793 01:32:02,667 --> 01:32:07,100 It hadn't been planned to protect their copyright. 1794 01:32:07,567 --> 01:32:10,400 It was a financial measure in the short term. 1795 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,633 It was a music label with a secondary affair. 1796 01:32:15,700 --> 01:32:20,267 The Beatles' influence had spread to other areas like fashion. 1797 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,267 They were going to have a shop ... 1798 01:32:23,267 --> 01:32:25,033 They were going to do everything. 1799 01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:27,500 But it was also a kind de Conseil Artistique 1800 01:32:27,733 --> 01:32:34,333 where deserving young creators could find help and support. 1801 01:32:34,433 --> 01:32:37,333 Because the Beatles remembered from the time they were ... 1802 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:38,633 Where they had ... 1803 01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:40,667 The Beatles have always been supportive. 1804 01:32:41,033 --> 01:32:42,233 It was a legend. 1805 01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:45,267 Brian Epstein, George Martin. 1806 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,033 Dick James. 1807 01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:50,367 Three honest men 1808 01:32:50,667 --> 01:32:53,267 who encouraged them and valued them. 1809 01:32:53,333 --> 01:32:56,733 But they had suffered. So they were going to help 1810 01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,567 the suffering people of the creative community. 1811 01:32:59,633 --> 01:33:02,267 I interviewed Paul and he was swarming with ideas 1812 01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:05,100 about a communist Mark and Spencer's. 1813 01:33:05,433 --> 01:33:08,433 And I said to myself: -It will never work.- 1814 01:33:08,567 --> 01:33:11,733 But I also said to myself: -I'm not so sure.- 1815 01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:14,533 Because we said: -It's very interesting but ... 1816 01:33:16,133 --> 01:33:17,733 it's Paul- 1817 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,533 and they might be right. It turned out not. 1818 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,433 This is how Alice Pollock and Ossie Clark imagine the girls this summer. 1819 01:33:25,500 --> 01:33:27,533 And here are two of the Beatles. 1820 01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,367 George Harrison ... His wife Patti Boyd paraded. 1821 01:33:30,433 --> 01:33:31,467 And John Lennon. 1822 01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:39,800 From the haircut to the dress 1823 01:33:40,033 --> 01:33:42,567 or the leather outfit called Baz which is worth 25 guineas. 1824 01:33:44,533 --> 01:33:46,300 Patti Boyd carries the African Queen. 1825 01:33:46,567 --> 01:33:48,767 All in crepe and it's worth nine and a half guineas. 1826 01:33:49,133 --> 01:33:52,033 More casual, a white satin jacket and black pants. 1827 01:33:52,167 --> 01:33:53,133 Ten guineas together. 1828 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,800 I worked for the Apple Store from the start. 1829 01:33:56,433 --> 01:34:01,367 I had been there for three months when we went to India. 1830 01:34:01,767 --> 01:34:05,767 And it was so different of everything around us. 1831 01:34:06,067 --> 01:34:09,067 To start, the beautiful Indian jewelry 1832 01:34:09,133 --> 01:34:12,767 and Ganesha's posters, of gods and goddesses. 1833 01:34:14,133 --> 01:34:18,267 It was very exciting to work there and it was so different. 1834 01:34:18,333 --> 01:34:22,533 But you always had to stick to what we felt at that time. 1835 01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,533 This is... 1836 01:34:26,767 --> 01:34:30,233 The world can be colorful. It is not necessarily in black and white. 1837 01:34:30,633 --> 01:34:31,700 Have they seen you before? 1838 01:34:32,633 --> 01:34:34,000 - Last night? - Yesterday. 1839 01:34:34,067 --> 01:34:37,400 Yesterday they came to see me for ten minutes. 1840 01:34:39,133 --> 01:34:42,267 And, now, they've been with me for 10 hours. 1841 01:34:43,233 --> 01:34:44,633 After their breakfast. 1842 01:34:45,667 --> 01:34:47,067 How long did they stay? 1843 01:34:47,767 --> 01:34:50,367 From 10 a.m. to now. About three hours. 1844 01:34:51,067 --> 01:34:52,000 What did you do? 1845 01:34:52,067 --> 01:34:53,533 Have you meditated or discussed? 1846 01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:58,300 Meditation, discussion and meditation. They are very intelligent. 1847 01:34:59,133 --> 01:35:03,600 Will they become graduate spiritual guides? 1848 01:35:04,167 --> 01:35:06,000 - What will be their status? - I hope so. 1849 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,700 what should they do to achieve this goal? 1850 01:35:10,133 --> 01:35:16,033 To reach this goal, they must have a deep experience of being. 1851 01:35:16,433 --> 01:35:21,333 A doctor said to me, even if it was wrong, that I suffered from angina. 1852 01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,100 In fact, it was something else. 1853 01:35:23,167 --> 01:35:25,133 Different people came to see me. 1854 01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:27,767 John and Cynthia came one day, 1855 01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:31,067 and John said: -I made this drawing for you.- 1856 01:35:31,467 --> 01:35:35,767 It was the drawing of an Indian with a turban on his head. 1857 01:35:36,267 --> 01:35:40,133 He was playing the flute, sitting on the floor, cross-legged. 1858 01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,533 A snake was coming out of a basket placed at his feet. 1859 01:35:43,733 --> 01:35:45,200 There was an inscription: 1860 01:35:45,667 --> 01:35:48,300 By the power to bring in and bring out, 1861 01:35:48,700 --> 01:35:52,600 I beg your angina to go away. Sincerely, John and Cyn. 1862 01:35:53,500 --> 01:35:56,400 George often said, Take LSD 1863 01:35:56,467 --> 01:35:59,767 gave me insights but it was like climbing a mountain, 1864 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,300 look on the other side of the summit and see that there are others. - 1865 01:36:03,367 --> 01:36:05,600 He wanted to continue his quest 1866 01:36:06,667 --> 01:36:08,533 but drug free. 1867 01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,200 And it gave them a kind of natural break. 1868 01:36:12,267 --> 01:36:16,667 It gave them an excuse to meet elsewhere, in peace. 1869 01:36:16,733 --> 01:36:19,633 I do not know how the Maharishi entered their life 1870 01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:21,167 but he was not the first. 1871 01:36:21,633 --> 01:36:24,633 I was often with the group. 1872 01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:27,467 I saw them every night at the Scotch of St. James. 1873 01:36:27,533 --> 01:36:31,100 We already knew that they saw another person like that. 1874 01:36:31,433 --> 01:36:33,433 The Maharishi came second. 1875 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,600 As they went up the stairs of Indian mysticism, 1876 01:36:36,667 --> 01:36:40,633 they realized that their Maharishi was not as high up as that. 1877 01:36:41,167 --> 01:36:43,800 So they went to India with this Maharishi. 1878 01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:46,667 Who, we all knew, was a bit of an impostor 1879 01:36:46,733 --> 01:36:48,500 and who was not so high up. 1880 01:36:48,633 --> 01:36:51,700 But he had followed them up in five star hotels. 1881 01:36:52,233 --> 01:36:54,600 It's nice to adhere to Indian mysticism 1882 01:36:54,667 --> 01:36:59,267 and all its ascetic dimension while doing it in big hotels. 1883 01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:01,167 This is a funny story. 1884 01:37:01,233 --> 01:37:04,133 When they decided to go see the Maharishi in India. 1885 01:37:05,233 --> 01:37:09,633 Maureen was ... Ringo's wife had a blue fear of insects. 1886 01:37:10,267 --> 01:37:14,033 So she went to Harrods to buy a sleepsuit 1887 01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:15,467 but adult size. 1888 01:37:15,767 --> 01:37:18,100 So that they cannot climb on it. 1889 01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:23,100 And Richie, who always had fragile stomach 1890 01:37:23,167 --> 01:37:24,600 because of an illness, child, 1891 01:37:25,567 --> 01:37:30,600 said to me: -Can you buy me from Dr. Collis Browne, several liters, 1892 01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:35,067 and white beans in sauce and put it all in a suitcase? 1893 01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:37,367 White beans, Collis Browne. - 1894 01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,133 So, I obeyed and it was full. 1895 01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,000 This suitcase full of Collis Browne and of... 1896 01:37:45,233 --> 01:37:47,133 They returned two weeks later. 1897 01:37:48,267 --> 01:37:50,633 I said to Maureen: -It has been a long stay. 1898 01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:53,267 You got rid of all the white beans? - 1899 01:37:54,167 --> 01:37:56,633 Obviously the concept of Apple 1900 01:37:56,700 --> 01:37:58,367 was born before Brian died. 1901 01:37:58,433 --> 01:38:00,267 He was also worried about that, 1902 01:38:00,333 --> 01:38:04,167 it would take him away even more. Because he had not been consulted. 1903 01:38:04,233 --> 01:38:06,600 They weren't pushing him out 1904 01:38:06,667 --> 01:38:10,233 but it was not a project who was born at his instigation. 1905 01:38:10,333 --> 01:38:14,000 I heard about Apple a few weeks before his death. 1906 01:38:14,167 --> 01:38:16,633 It was one more element that made him feel 1907 01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:18,333 that he was no longer part of the group. 1908 01:38:19,333 --> 01:38:20,533 When they launched Apple, 1909 01:38:21,667 --> 01:38:25,367 we had lunch at the head office. 1910 01:38:27,333 --> 01:38:30,033 We had a chef and everything. 1911 01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:32,700 One day Paul came by 1912 01:38:33,167 --> 01:38:36,400 and they were losing money. They were giving too much. 1913 01:38:37,333 --> 01:38:42,633 He said, -I brought in a guy who will tell us where we are wrong 1914 01:38:42,700 --> 01:38:45,267 in our business plans. - 1915 01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:48,400 {\ an8} It was Beeching. 1916 01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:50,800 {\ an8} They invited him to lunch ... 1917 01:38:51,033 --> 01:38:52,733 {\ an8} PRESIDENT OF BRITISH RAILWAYS 1918 01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:57,000 {\ an8} ... to use his brain to understand what they were doing wrong. 1919 01:38:57,500 --> 01:38:59,567 They had lunch 1920 01:39:00,567 --> 01:39:03,700 and I took the notes at the meeting that followed. 1921 01:39:06,467 --> 01:39:08,733 He looked at Paul and said, 1922 01:39:09,767 --> 01:39:12,533 I'm not going to help you much. 1923 01:39:12,700 --> 01:39:17,400 Because I work for organizations much larger than Apple. 1924 01:39:18,033 --> 01:39:20,567 And Paul said to himself, -Oh, my God.- 1925 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,800 I looked at Paul and said, -Indeed.- 1926 01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,300 They had good ideas but also eccentric ideas. 1927 01:39:29,367 --> 01:39:32,533 They wanted to open a school, publish books. 1928 01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,733 A lot of things. Great ambitions. And they appealed to people: 1929 01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,500 -Send us your poems, your stories, your novels. - 1930 01:39:39,567 --> 01:39:42,300 They found themselves with rooms full of stuff 1931 01:39:42,367 --> 01:39:45,267 without being able to look at them. They weren't prepared for it. 1932 01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,700 And here is another area where they were the pioneers. 1933 01:39:48,767 --> 01:39:51,000 They didn't go all the way but they started 1934 01:39:51,067 --> 01:39:53,133 to have more control on their products. 1935 01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:57,067 Check the album covers. 1936 01:39:57,133 --> 01:39:58,800 The appearance of things. 1937 01:39:59,033 --> 01:40:00,800 They controlled their equipment. 1938 01:40:01,033 --> 01:40:04,000 But not as much as the percentage that we have today. 1939 01:40:04,067 --> 01:40:06,033 Apple's problem and the Apple Store 1940 01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:08,167 and everything in this building, 1941 01:40:08,233 --> 01:40:12,000 was that they had money, they were free, 1942 01:40:12,067 --> 01:40:15,167 they had ideas from India, ideas of the Maharishi. 1943 01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,167 And a bunch of profiteers. 1944 01:40:18,367 --> 01:40:20,233 Profiteers who were rather ... 1945 01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:22,267 Who were rather talented. 1946 01:40:22,333 --> 01:40:23,700 Like Magic Alex. 1947 01:40:24,333 --> 01:40:30,100 Who thought it was possible to have a roll of wallpaper with microphones 1948 01:40:30,500 --> 01:40:32,733 who would give the best sound? 1949 01:40:33,467 --> 01:40:34,533 Magic Alex. 1950 01:40:35,167 --> 01:40:39,533 And of all, John was the most convinced of his magical talents. 1951 01:40:41,233 --> 01:40:42,100 They were... 1952 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,367 We were all naive. 1953 01:40:45,433 --> 01:40:47,567 All of this was a new experience. 1954 01:40:48,733 --> 01:40:51,133 But I think it was great 1955 01:40:51,467 --> 01:40:54,400 they have not been transformed by celebrity. 1956 01:40:55,333 --> 01:40:57,167 Everyone who came up with an idea ... 1957 01:40:57,233 --> 01:40:59,267 If someone said: -I'm making spilled cream-, 1958 01:40:59,333 --> 01:41:02,300 John would have said: -We will eat it at every lunch.- 1959 01:41:02,367 --> 01:41:04,700 Anyone could be hired over there. 1960 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,033 So it quickly got crowded. Second-rate people ... 1961 01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:10,500 Very charming but second-rate. 1962 01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:13,133 The same thing happened with the Boutique. 1963 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,167 If you designed clothes 1964 01:41:15,233 --> 01:41:18,133 which was nothing commercial, so it was for the Boutique. 1965 01:41:18,467 --> 01:41:21,000 Everything they touched at that time 1966 01:41:21,067 --> 01:41:23,233 seemed non-commercial. 1967 01:41:23,300 --> 01:41:27,500 Neil was incredibly conscientious and a deeply good man. 1968 01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:31,367 And Peter worked hard. 1969 01:41:32,500 --> 01:41:37,000 The office was running smoothly and efficient. 1970 01:41:38,267 --> 01:41:41,233 I had an office between Neil's and Peter's. 1971 01:41:42,233 --> 01:41:46,467 Neil and Mal were working on the start 1972 01:41:46,533 --> 01:41:51,100 from "The Long and Winding Road", memory of a cassette. 1973 01:41:52,167 --> 01:41:54,500 At that time, I was busy ... 1974 01:41:57,167 --> 01:41:58,633 mail with America. 1975 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:04,367 All journalists asking: -Do you have old pictures?- 1976 01:42:05,467 --> 01:42:08,200 It's like that that we have recovered everything. 1977 01:42:08,267 --> 01:42:10,100 They were very gifted. 1978 01:42:10,467 --> 01:42:15,600 This night, I was heading for Neil's office. 1979 01:42:16,533 --> 01:42:20,100 Neil and Mal were by the fire. I will never forget him. 1980 01:42:21,033 --> 01:42:23,267 And I had to go over ... 1981 01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:26,167 I shouldn't say that. 1982 01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:30,300 Over Derek Taylor, who was fucking on the floor 1983 01:42:30,633 --> 01:42:32,433 and which prevented me from passing. 1984 01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:35,000 The cartoon was making fun a bit of Maharishi. 1985 01:42:35,067 --> 01:42:37,533 does that mean that you’re done with him 1986 01:42:37,767 --> 01:42:41,200 - and you laugh at him? - We have passed this phase. 1987 01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:42,733 It was kind of a phase. 1988 01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,500 But he's a good man and everyone is fine 1989 01:42:45,567 --> 01:42:47,567 but we don't want any more hang out with him. 1990 01:42:49,333 --> 01:42:53,067 I knew he was an impostor at first sight. 1991 01:42:53,133 --> 01:42:54,100 I thought to myself, -My God.- 1992 01:42:54,467 --> 01:42:56,600 One of the problems ... And John was the worst, 1993 01:42:56,667 --> 01:42:58,567 because he clung to things. 1994 01:42:58,633 --> 01:43:02,267 He clung to things and was easily influenced. 1995 01:43:04,167 --> 01:43:07,067 It can be a problem from which they have been protected. 1996 01:43:07,133 --> 01:43:09,667 They were locked up in the Beatles for a long time. 1997 01:43:10,167 --> 01:43:11,333 They were... 1998 01:43:11,733 --> 01:43:16,267 I was like, -This guy is a crook.- 1999 01:43:16,333 --> 01:43:19,000 I am on that there is something behind. 2000 01:43:19,067 --> 01:43:22,400 Meditation can provide well-being for those who like it. 2001 01:43:22,467 --> 01:43:26,133 But I didn't believe it. And I still don't believe it. 2002 01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:30,467 The Beatles believed on the spiritual side of things. 2003 01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:33,733 And they wanted to spread this. 2004 01:43:34,367 --> 01:43:37,233 The Maharishi saw in them 2005 01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:40,733 their international celebrity. 2006 01:43:42,433 --> 01:43:44,433 They could spread his message. 2007 01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,267 Originally, their idea was to develop 2008 01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:50,533 a school of Transcendental Meditation in London 2009 01:43:50,733 --> 01:43:52,800 and the Beatles would have been one of them. 2010 01:43:53,767 --> 01:43:56,700 Patti had dreams of the Maharishi 2011 01:43:56,767 --> 01:43:59,433 who were showing it in a whole different light. 2012 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:01,333 And ... 2013 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,300 And there was a connection to Mia Farrow. 2014 01:44:05,367 --> 01:44:07,300 There were a lot of people. 2015 01:44:07,367 --> 01:44:10,100 But I think they were miles away 2016 01:44:11,267 --> 01:44:13,700 and it was a very different life and he was there, 2017 01:44:14,267 --> 01:44:17,233 to meditate six or seven hours in a row, 2018 01:44:17,300 --> 01:44:19,267 sometimes at night, sometimes for several days. 2019 01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:21,300 And it was completely different 2020 01:44:21,367 --> 01:44:25,200 what everyone was used to, especially the Beatles. 2021 01:44:25,267 --> 01:44:28,600 In one way, the Maharishi had a bad reputation 2022 01:44:28,667 --> 01:44:30,700 but it was rather harmless. 2023 01:44:30,767 --> 01:44:34,500 He was a little strange. 2024 01:44:34,567 --> 01:44:38,333 Today you couldn't say that. 2025 01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,133 His character was ridiculous. 2026 01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:45,200 And he said things which cannot be answered 2027 01:44:45,267 --> 01:44:48,233 like -Love each other- and all that. 2028 01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,400 It was an extension of hippie philosophy. 2029 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:57,000 Poor Maharishi has learned that his best assets were leaving him 2030 01:44:57,067 --> 01:44:59,300 and he sat watching them go 2031 01:44:59,367 --> 01:45:02,300 with this man holding an umbrella above him. 2032 01:45:02,367 --> 01:45:04,233 He said, -Why are you leaving?- 2033 01:45:04,467 --> 01:45:06,000 He really didn't understand. 2034 01:45:06,433 --> 01:45:09,533 I know that John had a famous reply ... 2035 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,367 I don't remember but he said: 2036 01:45:11,433 --> 01:45:14,333 -If you were so cosmic, you should know that. - 2037 01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:16,267 And it was over. 2038 01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:24,400 {\ an8} CLOSING THE APPLE STORE JULY 1968 2039 01:45:25,033 --> 01:45:27,467 The Beatles' brief excursion white"> in the trade is over. 2040 01:45:27,633 --> 01:45:30,533 According to them, they are tired of this toy. 2041 01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,600 I'm all turned upside down. I don't know what I'm doing there. 2042 01:45:45,667 --> 01:45:48,333 I've been here for 7 hours and I got pushed around. 2043 01:45:48,500 --> 01:45:50,400 Upset by the rush? 2044 01:45:50,467 --> 01:45:52,100 I have never seen that. 2045 01:45:52,233 --> 01:45:53,467 I'm from Canada and ... 2046 01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,400 - What clothes are you looking for? - No idea. Everything. 2047 01:45:58,467 --> 01:46:00,333 - Anything and everything? - Stylish. 2048 01:46:00,767 --> 01:46:02,067 Why are you here? 2049 01:46:02,167 --> 01:46:03,767 No idea. Because it's free. 2050 01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,267 would you have come if it hadn't been free? 2051 01:46:06,333 --> 01:46:07,467 It's too expensive for me. 2052 01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:08,800 What are you looking for? 2053 01:46:09,500 --> 01:46:11,467 Anything and everything. I'm not fashion. 2054 01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,400 A dress or pants. 2055 01:46:13,533 --> 01:46:16,100 would you have come if it hadn't been free? 2056 01:46:16,167 --> 01:46:18,467 I've been here before. I bought items. 2057 01:46:18,533 --> 01:46:21,433 Not because it's free but because I like this store. 2058 01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:23,033 You had to ask yourself 2059 01:46:23,633 --> 01:46:26,433 How long was going to last the relationship between the group 2060 01:46:27,633 --> 01:46:29,267 and the manager? 2061 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,467 Then we had to talk to Yoko Ono 2062 01:46:34,667 --> 01:46:38,800 with his growing influence, especially on John. 2063 01:46:39,533 --> 01:46:42,567 Then you watched the Beatles like a deal. 2064 01:46:43,233 --> 01:46:45,133 Then you think of Allen Klein. 2065 01:46:45,633 --> 01:46:47,800 Which sends you back to perpetual evolution 2066 01:46:48,367 --> 01:46:51,467 Of the history of this brilliant pop group. 2067 01:47:03,167 --> 01:47:04,133 For me ... 2068 01:47:06,067 --> 01:47:08,733 it's the ultimate album. 2069 01:47:09,633 --> 01:47:13,533 It made so much sense i and it still is. 2070 01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,267 And it continued, once his time is over. 2071 01:47:16,533 --> 01:47:22,200 This is the number one rock album worldwide. 2072 01:47:22,733 --> 01:47:27,133 In my eyes, no Beatles album is bad. 2073 01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,200 They're all brilliant. 2074 01:47:28,767 --> 01:47:31,500 But this one is my favorite. 2075 01:47:31,567 --> 01:47:33,533 My favorite, because it's the one for which 2076 01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,300 I attended all the stages. 2077 01:47:36,067 --> 01:47:40,133 And he was so revolutionary in its concept and its coverage. 2078 01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:41,633 It's my favorite album. 2079 01:47:42,267 --> 01:47:45,500 It was huge, because they had the ability 2080 01:47:45,567 --> 01:47:47,233 to promote them in an extraordinary way. 2081 01:47:47,533 --> 01:47:49,767 And everyone was in their grip. 2082 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,100 We were all captivated by the Beatles. 2083 01:47:52,167 --> 01:47:55,400 No one has ever criticized anything: their cover was great, 2084 01:47:55,467 --> 01:47:57,533 the songs and the presentation too. 2085 01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,600 For me, it's a miniature masterpiece. 2086 01:48:00,667 --> 01:48:04,767 It was a pop symphony with wonderful continuity. 2087 01:48:05,367 --> 01:48:10,733 The main stage, the title song at the beginning and at the end. 2088 01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:13,267 Everything went perfectly together. 2089 01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,033 It was an absolute joy. 2090 01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:18,000 There is something for every mood in the Beatles. 2091 01:48:18,067 --> 01:48:20,800 For posterity, this is the greatest album of all time. 2092 01:48:21,633 --> 01:48:22,600 It's impressive. 2093 01:48:22,667 --> 01:48:26,633 What other group who disappeared 50 years ago 2094 01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:30,400 continues to be listened to by so many generations? 2095 01:48:30,667 --> 01:48:35,733 Listen to the album in mono. Don't think about stereo. 2096 01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,300 The Beatles weren't there during assembly. 2097 01:48:38,733 --> 01:48:43,367 They were in India. Where the four of them used to sit, 2098 01:48:43,433 --> 01:48:46,700 and listened to everything and took decisions. It was mono. 2099 01:48:47,333 --> 01:48:50,533 This is the most important thing to say on Sgt. Pepper. 2100 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:55,000 You have an album and there will be ... 2101 01:48:55,067 --> 01:48:56,233 It was years ago. 2102 01:48:57,333 --> 01:49:01,500 There were two or three songs throughout the album 2103 01:49:01,567 --> 01:49:03,333 that you really like 2104 01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,367 and the rest of the album ... it was on the album. 2105 01:49:06,533 --> 01:49:10,600 And you skipped them when it was still manual. 2106 01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,700 The Beatles albums were the reverse. 2107 01:49:14,767 --> 01:49:16,800 Perhaps a song you liked less 2108 01:49:17,033 --> 01:49:18,533 and you loved everyone else. 2109 01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,667 They seized the moment. They grabbed it. 2110 01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:24,433 They were perfect 2111 01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:27,333 and they shot everyone like a locomotive. 2112 01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,233 They pulled everyone with them. 2113 01:49:29,667 --> 01:49:31,300 And if they had put 2114 01:49:32,367 --> 01:49:37,633 -Penny Lane- and -Strawberry Fields- Sgt. Pepper, 01:49:41,000 It would have been, literally, the best album of all time. 2116 01:49:41,167 --> 01:49:42,400 I contradict myself. 2117 01:49:42,567 --> 01:49:45,633 Often, I say to myself: -I can't believe it.- 2118 01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:50,500 - Then I say to myself, -Yes, because I knew it would be forever. - 2119 01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:52,200 This music is eternal. 2120 01:49:52,533 --> 01:49:56,700 It's a great window in an incredible era of change. 2121 01:49:56,767 --> 01:49:59,300 If you study the Beatles from any angle, 2122 01:49:59,367 --> 01:50:01,367 you study the 60s and you study 2123 01:50:02,033 --> 01:50:05,267 the history of the West and its evolution. 2124 01:50:05,333 --> 01:50:06,733 But it's endless. 2125 01:50:07,233 --> 01:50:10,733 Like people who study Shakespeare for years. 2126 01:50:11,733 --> 01:50:16,000 With the Beatles, there is always - -white- a feeling of well-being. - 2127 01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:20,367 I said to my friends, -If you are sad, listen to the Beatles. - 2128 01:50:21,367 --> 01:50:24,100 It helps you see the world as a better place. 2129 01:50:24,167 --> 01:50:26,300 They have beneficial properties. 2130 01:50:26,367 --> 01:50:30,033 Four boys, it worked. 2131 01:50:30,433 --> 01:50:31,700 -white- And the talent was there. 2132 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,300 I think there will never be other Beatles. 2133 01:50:38,367 --> 01:50:40,767 It reminds of the Liverpool Echo 2134 01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,067 and an article by Brian Epstein. 2135 01:50:43,767 --> 01:50:47,300 He said, -I think the Beatles will be taller than Elvis. - 2136 01:50:48,167 --> 01:50:50,033 Everyone laughed saying: 2137 01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:54,033 -How a group from Liverpool coming out of the Cavern scene, 2138 01:50:54,233 --> 01:50:56,500 with all that leather and everything, could become 2139 01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,133 taller than Elvis? - 2140 01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,667 Elvis is on the other side, in America. 2141 01:51:00,733 --> 01:51:02,500 The biggest star in the world. 2142 01:51:03,167 --> 01:51:07,200 History has proven that he was right. The largest group of all time. 2143 01:51:07,267 --> 01:51:08,667 He had seen something in them. 2144 01:51:08,733 --> 01:51:11,267 The Beatles were embarrassed compared to that, 2145 01:51:11,333 --> 01:51:13,733 because there were other good bands in Liverpool. 2146 01:51:14,167 --> 01:51:16,500 -Bigger than Elvis? Let's see ...- 2147 01:51:17,300 --> 01:51:18,267 Brian was right. 2148 01:51:19,033 --> 01:51:22,567 Still today, charisma and excitement 2149 01:51:22,633 --> 01:51:24,700 caused by the name -Beatles- ... 2150 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:29,167 Not just in Liverpool but worldwide: 2151 01:51:29,233 --> 01:51:33,100 Mexico, South America, Japan, Germany, everywhere. 2152 01:51:33,533 --> 01:51:36,133 A small island in Samoa ... 2153 01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,400 You mention the name "Beatles" and it's euphoria. 2154 01:51:39,467 --> 01:51:40,333 This is... 2155 01:51:41,133 --> 01:51:42,800 This is the legacy they left behind. 2156 01:51:43,033 --> 01:51:45,333 Will someone else overtake this heritage? 2157 01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:46,267 Only god knows. 2158 01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:48,433 It's a sacred heritage. 2159 01:51:48,733 --> 01:51:53,333 And it's wonderful to have been a small part of it. 2160 01:52:04,633 --> 01:52:06,533 538 DAYS AFTER RELEASE FROM SGT PEPPER, 2161 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,667 THE BEATLES ARE GOING OUT A DOUBLE ALBUM CONTAINING 2162 01:52:08,733 --> 01:52:11,500 30 NEW SONGS IN AN ALL-WHITE POUCH ... 2163 01:52:11,567 --> 01:52:16,233 IT BECOME NUMBER ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD... 2164 01:53:42,033 --> 01:53:43,567 Where's the dog's whistle? 45831

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