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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,096 And that will do it for the headlines for the 9:00 hour. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,976 We will see you back here at 9:30. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,606 For New York News 3, I'm Allison Rojas. 4 00:00:09,630 --> 00:00:11,920 And we're out. 5 00:00:13,386 --> 00:00:14,608 - Nice broadcast. - Thanks. 6 00:00:14,632 --> 00:00:16,406 That new shade of lipstick, that looks great on camera. 7 00:00:23,422 --> 00:00:24,814 Who would send me 8 00:00:24,838 --> 00:00:27,360 a birthday card two months before my birthday? 9 00:00:29,950 --> 00:00:31,123 Okay, this is not funny. 10 00:00:31,147 --> 00:00:32,663 - Oh, no. It's in your hair. - It's everywhere. 11 00:00:32,687 --> 00:00:35,043 I have to be back on the air in 23 and a half minutes. 12 00:00:35,067 --> 00:00:36,682 No, I'll get-get, uh, wardrobe and makeup. 13 00:00:36,706 --> 00:00:39,117 Hurry. 14 00:00:41,407 --> 00:00:43,383 _ 15 00:00:43,407 --> 00:00:46,305 Yesterday morning, my wife... she woke up achy, nauseous. 16 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:47,909 She had a bit of a fever, said her chest hurt. 17 00:00:47,933 --> 00:00:49,038 We thought it was the flu. 18 00:00:49,062 --> 00:00:52,378 But then, today, she started coughing up blood. 19 00:00:52,743 --> 00:00:53,794 Attendant, 20 00:00:53,818 --> 00:00:55,548 - let's get her to Room One. - Yes, Doctor. 21 00:00:55,572 --> 00:00:56,588 Let's page Dr. Farmer and the chief, 22 00:00:56,612 --> 00:00:59,218 and then alert the Health Department and the CDC. 23 00:00:59,242 --> 00:01:00,428 The-the CDC? 24 00:01:00,452 --> 00:01:02,468 Center for Disease Control? What's going on? 25 00:01:02,492 --> 00:01:03,508 Government buildings 26 00:01:03,532 --> 00:01:05,428 remain closed and subway ridership 27 00:01:05,452 --> 00:01:07,098 is at its lowest level since 9/11 28 00:01:07,122 --> 00:01:09,978 as anthrax terror grips Manhattan. 29 00:01:10,002 --> 00:01:12,768 A quiet panic has descended on the city 30 00:01:12,792 --> 00:01:15,058 as New Yorkers are trying to figure out who's behind this 31 00:01:15,082 --> 00:01:16,068 and when it will end. 32 00:01:16,092 --> 00:01:19,457 At this hour, the death toll remains at two. 33 00:01:19,481 --> 00:01:21,108 The deceased are Katie Connors, 34 00:01:21,132 --> 00:01:23,692 who opened a birthday card addressed to her husband, 35 00:01:23,716 --> 00:01:26,198 Manhattan Congressman Peter Connors, 36 00:01:26,222 --> 00:01:29,658 and Emmanuel Bakry, the postal worker who delivered it. 37 00:01:29,682 --> 00:01:31,618 But, finally, some good news. 38 00:01:31,642 --> 00:01:34,748 News 3's Allison Rojas is responding to treatment 39 00:01:34,772 --> 00:01:37,298 after opening an anthrax-laden greeting card 40 00:01:37,322 --> 00:01:40,128 in this very studio more than a week ago. 41 00:01:40,152 --> 00:01:43,128 Doctors expect her and the four other News 3 staffers 42 00:01:43,152 --> 00:01:46,360 who were taken ill to make a full recovery. 43 00:01:46,385 --> 00:01:48,385 _ 44 00:02:02,512 --> 00:02:06,028 Folks, we're about to roll, so I need quiet. 45 00:02:06,567 --> 00:02:08,988 Five, four, 46 00:02:09,012 --> 00:02:11,682 three, two... 47 00:02:13,692 --> 00:02:15,534 Good afternoon from ground zero. 48 00:02:15,559 --> 00:02:18,075 Here in Manhattan we're all collectively holding our breath, 49 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:21,076 waiting for the next anthrax-laden shoe to drop. 50 00:02:21,540 --> 00:02:23,628 With that thought in mind, we thought we'd pay a visit 51 00:02:23,652 --> 00:02:27,033 to Hudson University, which is one of the foremost laboratories 52 00:02:27,057 --> 00:02:30,178 for the study of chemical weapons and bio-pathogens. 53 00:02:30,202 --> 00:02:32,916 We wanted to talk with Dr. Roger Simpkins, 54 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:35,815 a microbiologist and researcher who runs this lab, 55 00:02:35,839 --> 00:02:38,188 which is financed in a combination of funding 56 00:02:38,212 --> 00:02:41,096 from the university and the government. 57 00:02:41,097 --> 00:02:43,742 Dr. Simpkins, any words of wisdom 58 00:02:43,766 --> 00:02:46,452 or homespun advice for our viewers tuning in, 59 00:02:46,476 --> 00:02:49,082 missing work and school, doing everything they can 60 00:02:49,106 --> 00:02:51,752 to keep themselves from becoming a victim, 61 00:02:51,776 --> 00:02:53,922 falling ill, possibly even dying? 62 00:02:53,946 --> 00:02:55,382 The thing we all need to remember 63 00:02:55,406 --> 00:02:57,212 is that anthrax is not a virus. 64 00:02:57,236 --> 00:02:59,884 It's a bacteria, and that means you can't catch it. 65 00:02:59,908 --> 00:03:01,932 It can't be transmitted from person-to-person, 66 00:03:01,956 --> 00:03:03,932 so if you don't have direct contact with it, 67 00:03:03,956 --> 00:03:06,062 it poses no threat to you. 68 00:03:06,086 --> 00:03:08,419 So calm down. 69 00:03:08,443 --> 00:03:11,062 A-And I've been told that even if you do have direct contact, 70 00:03:11,086 --> 00:03:14,124 it's still not necessarily fatal. 71 00:03:14,148 --> 00:03:15,524 Absolutely true. 72 00:03:15,548 --> 00:03:18,556 If anthrax is identified early, it can be treated. 73 00:03:18,899 --> 00:03:21,045 What makes it tricky is early anthrax symptoms 74 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:22,846 look just like the flu. 75 00:03:22,936 --> 00:03:24,072 So unless your doctor knows 76 00:03:24,096 --> 00:03:26,412 that you've actually had contact with it, 77 00:03:26,436 --> 00:03:29,122 the disease can go undetected until the drugs we use 78 00:03:29,146 --> 00:03:30,622 to cure it are no longer effective. 79 00:03:30,646 --> 00:03:32,542 But it's been nearly 20 years 80 00:03:32,566 --> 00:03:34,792 since the last round of anthrax incidents. 81 00:03:34,816 --> 00:03:37,132 How is it there's still no cure for this stuff? 82 00:03:37,156 --> 00:03:39,592 Well, ironically, 83 00:03:39,616 --> 00:03:43,455 uh, last year at this time, my, uh, colleagues and I 84 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:45,092 were in the process of developing 85 00:03:45,116 --> 00:03:47,580 some very promising new late-stage anthrax treatments. 86 00:03:47,604 --> 00:03:48,620 Wait. 87 00:03:48,644 --> 00:03:49,642 "Were"? 88 00:03:49,666 --> 00:03:53,602 Well, our funding, particularly with regard to anthrax research, 89 00:03:53,626 --> 00:03:55,593 comes from the federal government. 90 00:03:56,006 --> 00:03:58,804 And they pulled way back this year. 91 00:03:59,506 --> 00:04:01,098 What can I tell you? 92 00:04:01,556 --> 00:04:03,176 Go write your congressman. 93 00:04:14,146 --> 00:04:16,502 The FBI is in my office. _ 94 00:04:16,526 --> 00:04:18,552 They've determined that the anthrax used 95 00:04:18,576 --> 00:04:20,552 in all these recent attacks 96 00:04:20,576 --> 00:04:22,616 comes from our labs. 97 00:04:23,549 --> 00:04:24,969 They want to talk to the three of you. 98 00:04:32,256 --> 00:04:35,022 What did you do? Get a second job? 99 00:04:35,046 --> 00:04:36,522 Aren't you afraid of dogs? 100 00:04:36,546 --> 00:04:38,232 Other postal workers going postal? 101 00:04:38,256 --> 00:04:40,425 Not funny. It's just my mail 102 00:04:40,449 --> 00:04:41,692 for the last couple of weeks. 103 00:04:41,716 --> 00:04:43,603 I made the post office hold it for me. 104 00:04:43,627 --> 00:04:45,992 Once I found out the FBI arrested the anthrax killer, 105 00:04:46,016 --> 00:04:47,572 I figured it was finally safe to pick it up 106 00:04:47,596 --> 00:04:48,832 and sort through it all. 107 00:04:48,856 --> 00:04:50,623 Won't be needing that anymore. 108 00:04:53,226 --> 00:04:55,226 Bull in his office? 109 00:05:03,744 --> 00:05:05,012 I'm in the middle 110 00:05:05,036 --> 00:05:07,706 of some very important procrastination. 111 00:05:09,416 --> 00:05:13,062 Hey. Sorry to interrupt. 112 00:05:13,086 --> 00:05:15,062 Why are you so glum, Mr. Col�n? 113 00:05:15,086 --> 00:05:16,062 Haven't you heard? 114 00:05:16,086 --> 00:05:19,062 It's a glorious day in New York. 115 00:05:19,086 --> 00:05:21,112 Spring has sprung, 116 00:05:21,136 --> 00:05:22,902 Easter's barely a month away, 117 00:05:22,926 --> 00:05:24,572 and the anthrax killer is off the streets. 118 00:05:24,596 --> 00:05:27,952 We can put this whole dark chapter behind us. 119 00:05:27,976 --> 00:05:30,582 Well, actually, no, we can't. 120 00:05:30,606 --> 00:05:32,082 What does that mean? 121 00:05:32,106 --> 00:05:34,252 You remember, a couple of years ago, we signed up 122 00:05:34,276 --> 00:05:38,082 to be a part of that program where private firms offer 123 00:05:38,106 --> 00:05:40,816 their services to the public defender's office? 124 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:43,617 No. I got nothing on that. 125 00:05:43,946 --> 00:05:46,092 Must have been trying to get into somebody's good graces. 126 00:05:46,116 --> 00:05:47,762 What's the difference? We offered, 127 00:05:47,786 --> 00:05:49,582 and this morning they called. 128 00:05:49,633 --> 00:05:53,109 Natalie Reznick, the accused anthrax killer, is facing 129 00:05:53,134 --> 00:05:55,780 two counts of capital murder and a slew of other charges. 130 00:05:55,805 --> 00:05:59,371 Well, she needs a defense team, and we're one of the few firms 131 00:05:59,396 --> 00:06:02,792 in the city with the expertise to handle that type of case. 132 00:06:02,817 --> 00:06:04,423 Well, just call 'em back and tell 'em no. 133 00:06:04,448 --> 00:06:06,807 I have a newborn child and you have... 134 00:06:07,976 --> 00:06:09,162 Just say that 135 00:06:09,186 --> 00:06:11,622 we really appreciate the offer, but we are not interested 136 00:06:11,646 --> 00:06:13,731 in representing a terrorist at this time. 137 00:06:14,155 --> 00:06:15,671 An accused terrorist. 138 00:06:16,191 --> 00:06:18,002 I think you're missing the point. 139 00:06:18,026 --> 00:06:19,962 The federal defender's office wasn't asking 140 00:06:19,986 --> 00:06:21,132 when they called me this morning. 141 00:06:21,156 --> 00:06:22,366 They were telling. 142 00:06:23,574 --> 00:06:25,132 It's our case, Bull. 143 00:06:25,492 --> 00:06:26,824 Happy spring. 144 00:06:26,848 --> 00:06:33,539 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 145 00:06:34,033 --> 00:06:36,046 I have no idea why I'm here. 146 00:06:36,070 --> 00:06:38,086 Surely you heard the FBI agent 147 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:41,216 read you the charges before he took you into custody. 148 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,806 You're being charged with murdering two people 149 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:47,596 with a Tier 1 federal select biological agent 150 00:06:47,620 --> 00:06:49,766 and terrorizing the city of New York. 151 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:53,766 Yes, of course, but wh-why would they think I would do that? 152 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:54,896 Well, the evidence against you 153 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,606 will be laid out at your arraignment, 154 00:06:56,630 --> 00:06:58,486 but based on the charging documents, 155 00:06:58,510 --> 00:07:00,156 the FBI has a pretty strong case. 156 00:07:00,180 --> 00:07:01,776 How is that possible? 157 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,776 Well, when the funding for your anthrax research 158 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:04,986 was cut last year, 159 00:07:05,010 --> 00:07:07,036 you sent out dozens of e-mails. 160 00:07:07,441 --> 00:07:09,616 To journalists, to politicians. 161 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,956 The very people who've been the targets in these attacks. 162 00:07:13,608 --> 00:07:16,126 Well, y-yes, b-but that's... 163 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:18,006 that's just a coincidence. 164 00:07:18,030 --> 00:07:20,796 The-the letters that I was writing were about 165 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:25,203 how shortsighted and dangerous it was to cut that funding. 166 00:07:26,246 --> 00:07:28,806 Just because anthrax was out of the news did not mean 167 00:07:28,830 --> 00:07:31,596 that it was no longer a risk to national security. 168 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:32,976 Well, the U.S. Attorney's Office 169 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,766 suspects that when your warnings fell on deaf ears, 170 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:39,816 you orchestrated these attacks to prove a point. 171 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,083 "Anthrax is still out there. It's still lethal." 172 00:07:44,107 --> 00:07:48,406 That's absurd. I am a doctor, I am a scientist. 173 00:07:48,430 --> 00:07:51,116 The work that my team was doing was about saving lives. 174 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:52,916 How on earth would killing people 175 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:54,956 help us achieve that goal? 176 00:07:54,980 --> 00:07:57,496 If that's all they had, I'd agree with you. 177 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,023 Are you aware that your office had been bleached 178 00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:01,923 before the FBI searched it? 179 00:08:01,967 --> 00:08:02,983 Yes. 180 00:08:03,008 --> 00:08:06,466 Bleach is a disinfectant. I work with pathogens. 181 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:08,006 But yours was the only office 182 00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:10,476 in the complex to have been so recently 183 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:12,186 and thoroughly bleached. 184 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:14,806 Bleach kills anthrax. 185 00:08:14,830 --> 00:08:18,186 It makes it appear as if you were destroying evidence. 186 00:08:18,210 --> 00:08:20,736 Your apartment had been bleached, too. 187 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,366 And investigators found a stash of the antibiotic ciprofloxacin 188 00:08:25,390 --> 00:08:28,826 and a box of N95 face masks in your kitchen. 189 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:30,165 They suspect you used both 190 00:08:30,189 --> 00:08:33,246 when you assembled the anthrax-laden birthday cards. 191 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:35,600 I mean, the masks were... I... 192 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:39,528 I was gonna paint my bathroom. 193 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:43,495 And I go on a medical mission every year. 194 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:45,012 This year, it's Cambodia. 195 00:08:45,036 --> 00:08:46,756 Last year, it was Honduras, 196 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:48,036 Guadalupe. 197 00:08:49,246 --> 00:08:52,040 Anyway, my doctor gives me cipro before I go every year. 198 00:08:53,870 --> 00:08:55,620 I meant what I said. 199 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,266 I have no idea why I'm here. 200 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,736 I believe the woman. 201 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,906 I mean, she says she has no idea what she's doing behind bars. 202 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:07,526 I believe her. 203 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:09,526 Okay. Well, that makes two of you. 204 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:13,286 Unfortunately, the government sees it all quite differently. 205 00:09:13,310 --> 00:09:16,286 Yeah, government. You ever heard of detective myopia? 206 00:09:16,565 --> 00:09:18,956 Detective myopia? 207 00:09:18,980 --> 00:09:21,206 No. Can't say that I have. 208 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:22,756 It is when law enforcement, 209 00:09:22,780 --> 00:09:25,716 usually because of extreme public or political pressure, 210 00:09:25,740 --> 00:09:29,045 picks a suspect and then evaluates all the evidence 211 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:32,306 with the predisposition that that suspect is guilty. 212 00:09:32,330 --> 00:09:34,096 And they stop looking for other suspects, 213 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,556 they stop running down leads 214 00:09:35,580 --> 00:09:37,766 that don't back up their predetermined theories. 215 00:09:37,790 --> 00:09:40,896 All their work goes into proving that their suspect, 216 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,736 the person they picked at random is guilty. 217 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,705 City's in a panic. 218 00:09:46,729 --> 00:09:48,616 FBI needs to restore calm. 219 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,906 Natalie presented as someone with access to the bacteria 220 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:54,746 and an apparent motive, so they combed through her life 221 00:09:54,770 --> 00:09:57,076 looking for ways to prove she did it. 222 00:09:57,689 --> 00:09:59,230 Detective myopia. 223 00:10:02,068 --> 00:10:04,006 I think we need to argue for a change of venue. 224 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:07,296 Well... I know legal strategy isn't exactly 225 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,636 my area of expertise, but I have been going through 226 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:14,808 the potential jury lists, and, well, given the panic 227 00:10:14,832 --> 00:10:17,846 and all of the publicity around this case, 228 00:10:17,870 --> 00:10:19,146 wouldn't we be likely to get 229 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:20,980 a more impartial jury somewhere else? 230 00:10:21,546 --> 00:10:23,976 Somewhere that hasn't been through as much as New York has? 231 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,146 That's not a bad thought, actually. 232 00:10:26,635 --> 00:10:28,696 You know, the problem is, it's next to impossible 233 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,696 to get a change of venue in a federal criminal case. 234 00:10:32,907 --> 00:10:34,013 I'm just worried. 235 00:10:34,351 --> 00:10:35,883 No matter how I look at the data, 236 00:10:35,907 --> 00:10:38,643 I just don't know how we're gonna seat a jury 237 00:10:38,667 --> 00:10:40,973 that can look past their own fears. 238 00:10:40,997 --> 00:10:42,853 That's why we shouldn't try. 239 00:10:42,877 --> 00:10:45,313 In fact, we should do just the opposite. 240 00:10:45,904 --> 00:10:47,983 We should scare the living daylights out of 'em. 241 00:10:48,573 --> 00:10:49,863 People are predisposed 242 00:10:49,887 --> 00:10:51,403 to convicting Natalie because they want to believe 243 00:10:51,427 --> 00:10:53,146 that the danger has passed. 244 00:10:53,170 --> 00:10:55,653 So what we need to do is convince the jury... 245 00:10:56,289 --> 00:10:58,073 that it hasn't. 246 00:10:58,097 --> 00:11:01,033 Anybody remember the last time 247 00:11:01,057 --> 00:11:03,833 we had a series of anthrax attacks? 248 00:11:04,675 --> 00:11:06,753 It was right after 9/11, wasn't it? 249 00:11:06,777 --> 00:11:08,213 Yes, yes. Very good. 250 00:11:08,237 --> 00:11:10,362 And do you remember how long 251 00:11:10,386 --> 00:11:11,963 it took for them to find the perpetrator? 252 00:11:11,987 --> 00:11:13,553 Uh... 253 00:11:13,577 --> 00:11:15,013 I seem to recall it was pretty quick. 254 00:11:15,037 --> 00:11:16,723 Indeed it was. 255 00:11:16,747 --> 00:11:18,893 Attorney General John Ashcroft 256 00:11:18,917 --> 00:11:23,485 publicly named former biodefense researcher Steven Jay Hatfill 257 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:26,233 as a person of interest in the attacks. 258 00:11:26,695 --> 00:11:28,903 FBI tapped his phone. 259 00:11:28,927 --> 00:11:31,693 He lost his job, couldn't get another one. 260 00:11:31,717 --> 00:11:33,153 Almost committed suicide. 261 00:11:33,177 --> 00:11:35,613 Then, in 2008, 262 00:11:35,637 --> 00:11:37,613 everyone suddenly realized 263 00:11:37,637 --> 00:11:39,913 that they were persecuting the wrong man. 264 00:11:39,937 --> 00:11:42,583 So here's my question to you. 265 00:11:42,607 --> 00:11:45,235 How many of you folks believe that, of course, 266 00:11:45,259 --> 00:11:47,963 with all the best intentions in the world, 267 00:11:47,987 --> 00:11:51,383 people whose job it is to root out the bad guys 268 00:11:51,407 --> 00:11:54,027 sometimes get it wrong? 269 00:12:00,827 --> 00:12:02,997 Now we're getting somewhere. 270 00:12:04,957 --> 00:12:06,994 Means, motive and opportunity... 271 00:12:07,018 --> 00:12:08,140 They must feel they have it, 272 00:12:08,164 --> 00:12:09,464 or they wouldn't have brought the case. 273 00:12:09,465 --> 00:12:11,038 For those of us who didn't go to law school, 274 00:12:11,062 --> 00:12:12,651 what does "means" mean again? 275 00:12:12,675 --> 00:12:15,281 It means she could do it; she had the tools necessary. 276 00:12:15,305 --> 00:12:18,120 In this case, anthrax. She worked at a place 277 00:12:18,144 --> 00:12:20,621 where anthrax was readily available. 278 00:12:20,645 --> 00:12:23,041 Yeah, but there's more to it than that. 279 00:12:23,065 --> 00:12:25,631 Every expert I've spoken with said the same thing. 280 00:12:25,655 --> 00:12:28,801 Researchers work with wet anthrax spores. 281 00:12:28,825 --> 00:12:30,961 To make a-a powder that can be sent in the mail, 282 00:12:30,985 --> 00:12:32,494 you have to use dry anthrax spores, 283 00:12:32,518 --> 00:12:34,929 and in order to dry them, you have to use a very specific, 284 00:12:34,953 --> 00:12:37,575 very large piece of equipment built just for that purpose. 285 00:12:37,599 --> 00:12:38,931 Which, of course, they have at the lab? 286 00:12:38,955 --> 00:12:40,521 Which, of course, they have at the lab. 287 00:12:40,545 --> 00:12:42,311 But all of that takes time. 288 00:12:42,335 --> 00:12:45,141 Stealing the anthrax. Drying the anthrax. 289 00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:46,651 I've skimmed over this grand jury transcript 290 00:12:46,675 --> 00:12:49,751 three times... I've yet to see an explanation 291 00:12:49,775 --> 00:12:51,651 for when Natalie would have been able to do that 292 00:12:51,675 --> 00:12:53,339 without raising suspicion. 293 00:12:53,363 --> 00:12:56,531 Obviously, they are saving their biggest surprises for trial. 294 00:12:56,555 --> 00:12:58,201 I'll give you another one. 295 00:12:59,527 --> 00:13:02,701 So, the FBI was able to determine that all the anthrax letters 296 00:13:02,725 --> 00:13:04,175 were mailed from this mailbox 297 00:13:04,199 --> 00:13:05,831 within a specific eight-hour period. 298 00:13:05,855 --> 00:13:07,461 Really? 299 00:13:07,485 --> 00:13:09,001 Well, since I'm the only one here 300 00:13:09,025 --> 00:13:10,711 who hasn't worked for Homeland or FBI, 301 00:13:10,735 --> 00:13:12,841 can someone tell me how they do that? 302 00:13:12,865 --> 00:13:14,881 When you drop a letter into a government mailbox, 303 00:13:14,905 --> 00:13:18,011 it goes into a bin that's location-specific and time-coded. 304 00:13:18,035 --> 00:13:20,721 When that bin is carried back to the general post office 305 00:13:20,745 --> 00:13:22,681 for processing and your letter is postmarked, 306 00:13:22,705 --> 00:13:25,181 it carries all that information with it. 307 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:28,388 Wow. That's really cool. 308 00:13:28,412 --> 00:13:30,571 And more than a little scary. 309 00:13:30,860 --> 00:13:32,321 Back to the pictures. 310 00:13:32,821 --> 00:13:34,691 All right, so, the FBI examined security footage 311 00:13:34,715 --> 00:13:37,561 from area cameras taken during the same time frame. 312 00:13:37,585 --> 00:13:39,974 They were able to eliminate all but three people 313 00:13:39,998 --> 00:13:41,701 who mailed letters during that period. 314 00:13:41,725 --> 00:13:43,701 Wha...? And how were they able to do that? 315 00:13:43,725 --> 00:13:46,501 How could they tell from these... grainy photos 316 00:13:46,525 --> 00:13:48,791 who's mailing anthrax and who isn't? 317 00:13:48,815 --> 00:13:51,881 Well, I can't be sure, but my suspicion is, 318 00:13:51,905 --> 00:13:53,161 what they really did 319 00:13:53,186 --> 00:13:55,881 was basically eliminate everyone who didn't look like Natalie. 320 00:13:56,261 --> 00:13:59,164 There is your detective myopia that Bull keeps talking about. 321 00:13:59,188 --> 00:14:02,221 And that left them with three people who did look like Natalie? 322 00:14:02,245 --> 00:14:04,391 Well, it left them with three people, 323 00:14:04,415 --> 00:14:06,045 like this person here. 324 00:14:07,318 --> 00:14:08,948 Or this person here. 325 00:14:09,858 --> 00:14:11,734 Or this person here. 326 00:14:14,215 --> 00:14:17,031 People who don't really look like anyone in particular. 327 00:14:17,448 --> 00:14:19,411 At least not as far as I can tell. 328 00:14:19,435 --> 00:14:21,031 So what am I gonna tell Bull? 329 00:14:21,055 --> 00:14:23,872 Opening arguments, testimony start tomorrow morning. 330 00:14:24,914 --> 00:14:27,041 What in the world am I gonna tell Bull? 331 00:14:27,876 --> 00:14:29,871 Tell him that Danny and I are putting together dossiers 332 00:14:29,895 --> 00:14:32,778 on everyone Natalie works with, and... 333 00:14:32,802 --> 00:14:34,801 That our strategy hasn't changed. 334 00:14:35,091 --> 00:14:37,801 To get the jury and the public to let go of the idea 335 00:14:37,825 --> 00:14:39,631 that Natalie is the mastermind behind these attacks, 336 00:14:39,655 --> 00:14:43,641 we have to... come up with another credible suspect. 337 00:14:44,297 --> 00:14:45,518 And we will. 338 00:14:51,007 --> 00:14:54,004 Now, Dr. Poulson, as a researcher 339 00:14:54,028 --> 00:14:55,964 in the Medical Countermeasures Unit 340 00:14:55,988 --> 00:14:57,554 at Hudson University Laboratories, 341 00:14:57,578 --> 00:15:01,124 you frequently work shoulder-to-shoulder with Natalie Reznick, 342 00:15:01,148 --> 00:15:03,224 - don't you? - Yes, I do. 343 00:15:03,248 --> 00:15:07,434 Now, it's against the lab's standard operating procedures 344 00:15:07,458 --> 00:15:09,194 for anyone to work alone? 345 00:15:09,218 --> 00:15:11,673 - That's correct, yes. - And to your knowledge, 346 00:15:11,697 --> 00:15:14,904 Dr. Poulson, did Dr. Reznick 347 00:15:14,928 --> 00:15:19,035 ever simply disregard this tenet of standard operating procedure? 348 00:15:20,244 --> 00:15:23,144 Yes, I believe she may have. Once. 349 00:15:23,168 --> 00:15:25,414 About a week before the attacks. 350 00:15:25,438 --> 00:15:27,425 You're referring to the evening 351 00:15:27,488 --> 00:15:29,358 - of the 11th? - I don't know what he's talking about. 352 00:15:29,382 --> 00:15:31,754 It was late. We were the only two people in the lab. 353 00:15:32,548 --> 00:15:34,870 And at around 7:00 p.m., I got summoned 354 00:15:34,894 --> 00:15:37,134 to the chancellor's office for a call with D.C. 355 00:15:37,845 --> 00:15:41,142 Much of the work we do at our labs 356 00:15:41,166 --> 00:15:44,352 is in partnership with the Department of Defense, 357 00:15:44,377 --> 00:15:47,604 so when they say jump, we jump. 358 00:15:48,564 --> 00:15:50,765 And I told Natalie to... 359 00:15:50,789 --> 00:15:54,154 clean up and that we would finish up another day. 360 00:15:54,946 --> 00:15:56,864 So I left her unattended. 361 00:15:57,865 --> 00:16:01,527 Which, as the senior researcher, I shouldn't have done. 362 00:16:01,552 --> 00:16:04,948 But she assured me that she would just take a few minutes 363 00:16:04,972 --> 00:16:07,472 - and then she would leave. - Just to be clear. 364 00:16:08,052 --> 00:16:10,644 Your expectation was that Dr. Reznick 365 00:16:10,682 --> 00:16:12,114 would take five, maybe ten minutes 366 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:13,939 to clean up the lab and then leave. 367 00:16:13,964 --> 00:16:14,990 Correct? 368 00:16:15,458 --> 00:16:17,394 That was my assumption, yes. 369 00:16:17,593 --> 00:16:19,434 Dr. Poulson... 370 00:16:19,458 --> 00:16:22,064 this is a single frame 371 00:16:22,088 --> 00:16:25,404 from security footage taken from the night in question. 372 00:16:25,428 --> 00:16:28,836 It shows someone leaving the laboratory complex at Hudson. 373 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:30,632 Can you identify that person? 374 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:33,424 - It's Dr. Reznick. - And could you read 375 00:16:33,448 --> 00:16:35,736 the time stamp on the photo for us, please? 376 00:16:36,148 --> 00:16:38,239 9:26 p.m. 377 00:16:38,581 --> 00:16:40,767 9:26 p.m. 378 00:16:41,478 --> 00:16:45,584 Two and a half hours after you left the lab, correct? 379 00:16:45,608 --> 00:16:46,884 Yes. 380 00:16:46,908 --> 00:16:48,134 Dr. Poulson, 381 00:16:48,158 --> 00:16:51,659 in your professional opinion, if Dr. Reznick had been alone 382 00:16:51,683 --> 00:16:53,884 in that lab, not just for a few minutes to clean up, 383 00:16:53,908 --> 00:16:57,224 but for several hours, would that have given her enough time 384 00:16:57,248 --> 00:17:00,394 to dry the anthrax spores into a powder 385 00:17:00,418 --> 00:17:02,215 and sneak them out of the lab? 386 00:17:02,239 --> 00:17:05,428 Objection, Your Honor! Calls for speculation. 387 00:17:05,452 --> 00:17:08,444 Your Honor, Dr. Poulson is a microbiologist. 388 00:17:08,468 --> 00:17:11,444 I'm simply asking him for his professional opinion. 389 00:17:11,468 --> 00:17:13,021 Objection overruled. 390 00:17:13,045 --> 00:17:15,026 I'll allow him to answer. 391 00:17:16,424 --> 00:17:19,070 I believe it would have, yes. 392 00:17:19,308 --> 00:17:21,126 No further questions 393 00:17:21,151 --> 00:17:22,575 for now, Your Honor. 394 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,751 Dr. Poulson. 395 00:17:32,528 --> 00:17:34,544 Really appreciate you being here today. 396 00:17:34,569 --> 00:17:37,474 Now, I know we've heard a lot of speculation 397 00:17:37,498 --> 00:17:40,434 about what might have happened, what could have happened, 398 00:17:40,458 --> 00:17:43,274 but you are a scientist. 399 00:17:43,298 --> 00:17:46,518 You deal with the physical facts of the world. 400 00:17:46,542 --> 00:17:48,976 So let's get back to that. 401 00:17:49,810 --> 00:17:51,364 Do you have any proof 402 00:17:51,388 --> 00:17:54,444 that Dr. Reznick stayed in the lab alone 403 00:17:54,468 --> 00:17:56,942 any longer than she told you she would? 404 00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:59,378 Well, based on the time stamp... 405 00:17:59,388 --> 00:18:02,664 Oh, no, no. That time stamp only proves 406 00:18:02,688 --> 00:18:04,467 what time she left the building, 407 00:18:04,731 --> 00:18:08,167 which was two and a half hours after you did. 408 00:18:08,358 --> 00:18:09,968 Nowhere does it indicate 409 00:18:09,993 --> 00:18:12,913 what time she left the lab itself, does it? 410 00:18:14,328 --> 00:18:17,014 - No, it doesn't. - Uh-huh. 411 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:21,514 Now, Dr. Reznick maintains she left the lab 412 00:18:21,538 --> 00:18:24,314 as promised and spent the remainder of that time 413 00:18:24,338 --> 00:18:28,854 in her office typing a report of the day's work. 414 00:18:28,878 --> 00:18:30,267 In fact... 415 00:18:30,928 --> 00:18:33,957 you reviewed that very report the next morning, didn't you? 416 00:18:33,981 --> 00:18:35,513 It's quite possible. 417 00:18:35,537 --> 00:18:38,324 I often review the reports from the previous night 418 00:18:38,348 --> 00:18:39,878 - the next morning. - I see. 419 00:18:39,902 --> 00:18:44,045 And before the FBI informed you that Dr. Reznick was a suspect, 420 00:18:44,069 --> 00:18:47,368 did you have any reason to suspect her of this crime? 421 00:18:47,393 --> 00:18:48,773 No. 422 00:18:51,238 --> 00:18:54,644 I've always believed Natalie to be trustworthy and... 423 00:18:54,668 --> 00:18:56,844 a passionate scientist. 424 00:18:56,868 --> 00:18:59,094 And I'm still inclined to believe so. 425 00:18:59,118 --> 00:19:00,787 I mean, hon... 426 00:19:00,811 --> 00:19:02,133 honestly... 427 00:19:02,924 --> 00:19:06,053 I hope the version of events you just laid out is the truth. 428 00:19:07,418 --> 00:19:09,724 Thank you very much, Dr. Poulson. 429 00:19:10,357 --> 00:19:12,309 No further questions, Your Honor. 430 00:19:14,258 --> 00:19:15,428 Redirect? 431 00:19:16,928 --> 00:19:19,744 Regardless of what you might hope, 432 00:19:19,768 --> 00:19:21,277 Dr. Poulson, 433 00:19:21,574 --> 00:19:24,550 doesn't the fact remain that a pathogen was stolen 434 00:19:24,575 --> 00:19:26,075 from your lab? 435 00:19:26,672 --> 00:19:27,692 Yes. 436 00:19:27,717 --> 00:19:29,927 And based on your own testimony, 437 00:19:29,952 --> 00:19:34,201 wouldn't you agree that Dr. Reznick was the only researcher 438 00:19:34,225 --> 00:19:36,424 who could possibly have had an opportunity 439 00:19:36,448 --> 00:19:38,451 - to do it? - Asked and answered, Your Honor. 440 00:19:38,475 --> 00:19:40,504 Counsel is badgering the witness. 441 00:19:41,078 --> 00:19:43,376 I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor. 442 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,404 How's the view from where you're sitting? 443 00:19:45,428 --> 00:19:49,555 The only good news is, it can't get any worse. 444 00:19:59,294 --> 00:20:01,600 I'm awake. It's okay. 445 00:20:01,624 --> 00:20:04,440 Partying all night with Astrid again, huh? 446 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:05,624 Yeah. 447 00:20:07,794 --> 00:20:10,610 I was sitting in the living room at 3:00 in the morning, 448 00:20:10,634 --> 00:20:13,820 little Astrid up on my shoulder. I was trying to get a burp out of her. 449 00:20:13,844 --> 00:20:16,620 And I flip on the news, and we're everywhere. 450 00:20:16,644 --> 00:20:18,660 - Mm-hmm. - Every channel. 451 00:20:18,684 --> 00:20:21,450 And if it is our intention to convince the jury 452 00:20:21,474 --> 00:20:24,120 that the real anthrax killer is still out there, 453 00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:27,136 well, the national media has not picked up on it. 454 00:20:27,381 --> 00:20:28,863 Which means... 455 00:20:29,697 --> 00:20:31,171 we're failing. 456 00:20:32,211 --> 00:20:34,397 Well, you don't know that. 457 00:20:34,421 --> 00:20:36,527 Our target's the jury, not cable news. 458 00:20:36,551 --> 00:20:38,247 But the world of cable news is the world 459 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:39,969 these jurors go home to every night. 460 00:20:39,993 --> 00:20:43,247 And if the CNNs and the Foxes and the CNBCs aren't buying 461 00:20:43,271 --> 00:20:45,037 our version of events, then neither 462 00:20:45,061 --> 00:20:47,949 are the jurors' families or neighbors. 463 00:20:48,481 --> 00:20:52,207 And we all know they're not supposed to talk about the case 464 00:20:52,231 --> 00:20:54,537 or watch the news about it... 465 00:20:55,997 --> 00:20:57,467 but they do. 466 00:20:57,491 --> 00:21:00,895 I'm sorry, Bull, but I think you're being a little premature. 467 00:21:00,919 --> 00:21:03,260 The prosecution is still presenting their case, 468 00:21:03,284 --> 00:21:05,557 and we haven't even gotten our turn. 469 00:21:05,925 --> 00:21:08,557 I know. But we can't wait until then. 470 00:21:08,581 --> 00:21:10,727 We have to go on the offensive now. 471 00:21:10,751 --> 00:21:13,107 We got to use every objection, every cross to hammer home 472 00:21:13,131 --> 00:21:16,777 how dangerous it will be if the jury gets this one wrong. 473 00:21:16,801 --> 00:21:20,091 The killer is still out there. 474 00:21:21,074 --> 00:21:23,340 My wife, my-my wife Katie, 475 00:21:23,471 --> 00:21:26,497 she didn't aspire to a political life. 476 00:21:26,521 --> 00:21:28,268 I mean, heck, when I met her in grad school, 477 00:21:28,292 --> 00:21:29,577 she didn't even read the paper. 478 00:21:29,601 --> 00:21:32,457 But then we fell in love, and the next thing you know, 479 00:21:32,481 --> 00:21:36,217 I'm running for office and then we're out there together 480 00:21:36,241 --> 00:21:38,082 on the campaign trail. 481 00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:40,376 Oh, she was a natural. 482 00:21:40,648 --> 00:21:42,714 I mean, she loved people. 483 00:21:42,739 --> 00:21:46,675 And people sensed it and they loved her right back. 484 00:21:46,831 --> 00:21:50,937 You see, I take enormous pride in being a congressman. 485 00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:52,977 But the thought that my job, 486 00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:55,202 that my commitment to public service 487 00:21:55,226 --> 00:22:00,188 somehow contributed to her d-death... 488 00:22:00,511 --> 00:22:02,861 It's all right, Congressman Connors. 489 00:22:02,885 --> 00:22:04,531 No further questions. 490 00:22:04,555 --> 00:22:07,259 Uh, Bull, it's not looking good here. 491 00:22:07,283 --> 00:22:09,787 This jury really feels for the congressman. 492 00:22:09,811 --> 00:22:11,997 Of course they do. So do I. 493 00:22:12,021 --> 00:22:14,494 But that doesn't mean his pain is Natalie's fault. 494 00:22:14,981 --> 00:22:16,704 Congressman Connors. 495 00:22:17,741 --> 00:22:21,887 I'd just like to say how profoundly sorry I am for your loss. 496 00:22:21,911 --> 00:22:23,347 Thank you. 497 00:22:23,371 --> 00:22:25,597 Now, much has been made of the fact 498 00:22:25,621 --> 00:22:29,307 that you were a part of a long list of legislators 499 00:22:29,331 --> 00:22:31,477 Dr. Reznick reached out to in the wake 500 00:22:31,501 --> 00:22:34,187 of a funding cut to her research program. 501 00:22:34,555 --> 00:22:37,357 Now, do you recall Dr. Reznick's 502 00:22:37,381 --> 00:22:40,527 message to you to be threatening in any way? 503 00:22:40,551 --> 00:22:42,197 Honestly, I don't. 504 00:22:42,221 --> 00:22:47,037 You see, my staff filters my e-mails, so I only learned about 505 00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:52,167 that message in the, in the aftermath of my wife's passing. 506 00:22:52,191 --> 00:22:55,207 But, no, it did not appear to be threatening. 507 00:22:55,231 --> 00:22:58,652 But I imagine your office must receive 508 00:22:58,676 --> 00:23:01,332 threatening e-mails from time to time? 509 00:23:01,524 --> 00:23:03,460 Yes, unfortunately, in my line of work, 510 00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:05,341 you have to make tough choices sometimes, 511 00:23:05,366 --> 00:23:07,012 choices that anger people, 512 00:23:07,037 --> 00:23:09,465 and occasionally those people do lash out. 513 00:23:10,299 --> 00:23:14,397 How many threats would you estimate that you've received 514 00:23:14,421 --> 00:23:17,227 in the seven years that you've been in Congress? 515 00:23:17,251 --> 00:23:22,857 Uh, like I said, my staff filters my communications, 516 00:23:22,881 --> 00:23:25,055 so there's really no way for me to know. 517 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:28,237 Well, my office inquired. 518 00:23:28,261 --> 00:23:32,207 And according to your staff, it's 102. 519 00:23:33,441 --> 00:23:35,287 That's how many unique threats 520 00:23:35,311 --> 00:23:38,417 your office has received in the past seven years. 521 00:23:38,441 --> 00:23:41,757 19 of those were death threats. 522 00:23:41,781 --> 00:23:43,927 So let me ask you, 523 00:23:43,951 --> 00:23:49,557 in the wake of these attacks, to the best of your knowledge, 524 00:23:50,006 --> 00:23:54,307 did the FBI investigate those 19 people 525 00:23:54,331 --> 00:23:57,107 who previously threatened to take your life? 526 00:23:57,131 --> 00:23:58,681 They may have. 527 00:23:59,317 --> 00:24:01,663 Honestly, I don't know. 528 00:24:01,961 --> 00:24:03,436 You don't know. 529 00:24:04,511 --> 00:24:08,277 Wow. That's kind of unsettling. 530 00:24:08,301 --> 00:24:11,057 I mean, did the FBI even ask you about 531 00:24:11,081 --> 00:24:15,417 anyone who possibly could have had a vendetta against you 532 00:24:15,441 --> 00:24:17,127 during that time period? 533 00:24:17,617 --> 00:24:19,243 I don't know. 534 00:24:19,651 --> 00:24:23,837 Well, then I truly am sorry for you, Congressman Connors. 535 00:24:23,861 --> 00:24:27,456 Not only for your tragic loss, but also because, 536 00:24:27,457 --> 00:24:30,683 apparently, law enforcement seems more interested 537 00:24:30,707 --> 00:24:33,393 in scapegoating Natalie Reznick than it does 538 00:24:33,417 --> 00:24:36,352 in making sure your wife's real killer is off the streets. 539 00:24:36,376 --> 00:24:39,483 Objection. Counsel is testifying. 540 00:24:39,507 --> 00:24:41,193 Sustained. 541 00:24:41,217 --> 00:24:44,483 The jury will disregard the defense's last statement. 542 00:24:44,507 --> 00:24:46,323 Ask a question, Mr. Col�n. 543 00:24:46,347 --> 00:24:47,653 That's all right, Your Honor. 544 00:24:48,105 --> 00:24:50,291 I have no further questions at this time. 545 00:24:50,316 --> 00:24:51,583 I'm sure you can't see it yet, 546 00:24:51,607 --> 00:24:53,373 but it finally feels like we're making progress. 547 00:24:53,397 --> 00:24:55,623 The government will call its next witness, please. 548 00:24:55,647 --> 00:24:58,574 The government rests its case, Your Honor. 549 00:24:58,817 --> 00:25:01,952 Then the defense will call its first witness, please. 550 00:25:02,407 --> 00:25:05,213 My parents came to this country before I was born. 551 00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:07,763 They were scientists in the Soviet Union, 552 00:25:07,787 --> 00:25:09,723 but they refused to toe the party line, 553 00:25:09,747 --> 00:25:11,893 so their lives were in danger. 554 00:25:11,917 --> 00:25:16,255 They fled and they found sanctuary here, in America. 555 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:18,233 And until the day they died, 556 00:25:18,257 --> 00:25:20,523 they never ceased being grateful for that. 557 00:25:20,547 --> 00:25:23,653 And they raised me to be grateful, too. 558 00:25:24,475 --> 00:25:26,890 I decided when I was 559 00:25:26,914 --> 00:25:29,363 a very young girl that, when I grew up, 560 00:25:29,387 --> 00:25:31,363 I-I would help people somehow, 561 00:25:31,387 --> 00:25:33,243 protect people somehow. 562 00:25:34,235 --> 00:25:36,873 So, is that how you ended up researching cures 563 00:25:36,897 --> 00:25:39,003 for deadly biological weapons? 564 00:25:39,865 --> 00:25:42,213 Uh, well, it was... 565 00:25:42,237 --> 00:25:44,383 It was part of it, sure. 566 00:25:44,407 --> 00:25:46,027 A love of science. 567 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,803 I don't know. It-it-it gives me a sense of satisfaction, 568 00:25:50,827 --> 00:25:52,433 like I'm-I'm pulling my own weight, 569 00:25:52,457 --> 00:25:54,463 I'm doing my share. 570 00:25:54,917 --> 00:25:57,508 I am showing my gratitude. 571 00:25:57,747 --> 00:26:00,233 So the idea that you would hurt 572 00:26:00,257 --> 00:26:04,352 or kill fellow Americans for your own personal gain... 573 00:26:04,376 --> 00:26:05,725 Is absurd. 574 00:26:06,517 --> 00:26:08,233 To do the work that I do, 575 00:26:08,257 --> 00:26:10,573 you have... You have to become a doctor. 576 00:26:10,597 --> 00:26:12,732 I'm-I'm a doctor. 577 00:26:13,227 --> 00:26:15,243 I took an oath to save lives. 578 00:26:15,267 --> 00:26:18,913 Why would I knowingly set out to hurt anyone? 579 00:26:18,937 --> 00:26:21,323 Kill anyone? 580 00:26:21,737 --> 00:26:23,423 Thank you, Dr. Reznick. 581 00:26:23,447 --> 00:26:25,793 No further questions, Your Honor. 582 00:26:25,817 --> 00:26:28,593 They look engaged to me, receptive. 583 00:26:28,617 --> 00:26:30,053 Open body language. 584 00:26:30,077 --> 00:26:32,093 A couple jurors are starting to lean in. 585 00:26:32,117 --> 00:26:33,817 Does that line up with what you're seeing? 586 00:26:33,841 --> 00:26:35,024 Sure does. 587 00:26:35,048 --> 00:26:36,973 They're starting to find Natalie credible, 588 00:26:36,997 --> 00:26:40,103 and a few of them are now firmly on her side. 589 00:26:40,551 --> 00:26:41,933 So, 590 00:26:41,957 --> 00:26:43,773 Dr. Reznick, 591 00:26:44,096 --> 00:26:45,603 the pleasure you take from your work 592 00:26:45,627 --> 00:26:49,323 is fundamentally altruistic, right? 593 00:26:49,347 --> 00:26:52,443 I mean, you want to pull your own weight. 594 00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:55,283 You want to do your share. 595 00:26:55,307 --> 00:26:59,083 And, most of all, you want to help people, huh? 596 00:26:59,107 --> 00:27:00,583 Protect people. 597 00:27:00,607 --> 00:27:03,163 This is what you just testified to, correct? 598 00:27:04,033 --> 00:27:05,108 Yes. 599 00:27:05,132 --> 00:27:06,633 And you would never want to hurt anyone. 600 00:27:06,657 --> 00:27:08,793 You certainly wouldn't want to see anyone die. 601 00:27:08,817 --> 00:27:10,923 I mean, the work you do, 602 00:27:10,947 --> 00:27:13,548 your very reason for being, 603 00:27:13,572 --> 00:27:16,393 is all about saving lives. 604 00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:17,803 Is that correct? 605 00:27:17,827 --> 00:27:19,973 That is what I said, yes. 606 00:27:19,997 --> 00:27:21,183 Interesting. 607 00:27:21,592 --> 00:27:23,233 Because I have a video 608 00:27:23,257 --> 00:27:25,920 of an academic conference you participated in, 609 00:27:25,944 --> 00:27:28,943 which would seem to suggest otherwise. 610 00:27:28,967 --> 00:27:30,653 Uh... Objection. 611 00:27:30,677 --> 00:27:32,693 Your Honor, this is the first 612 00:27:32,717 --> 00:27:35,006 the defense has heard of any video. 613 00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:36,863 - The AUSA knows... - Your Honor, a concerned citizen 614 00:27:36,887 --> 00:27:38,823 - sent this video to our office... - ...he has a duty to disclose 615 00:27:38,847 --> 00:27:39,957 - any and all... - ...only just yesterday. 616 00:27:39,981 --> 00:27:42,293 Enough! Both of you. 617 00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:43,976 Mr. Reynolds, 618 00:27:44,114 --> 00:27:47,201 I'm gonna take you at your word and allow this. 619 00:27:47,583 --> 00:27:50,229 Mr. Col�n, I will give you ample time to prepare 620 00:27:50,254 --> 00:27:52,060 should you choose to redirect. 621 00:27:52,456 --> 00:27:54,126 Let's proceed. 622 00:27:55,117 --> 00:27:57,013 Is that you up there, Dr. Reznick, 623 00:27:57,037 --> 00:27:58,546 on the stage, in the video? 624 00:27:59,203 --> 00:28:00,276 It is. Yes. 625 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,183 Do you recall when this video was taken? 626 00:28:03,551 --> 00:28:05,353 Um, I-I believe 627 00:28:05,377 --> 00:28:09,363 it was an ethics panel at a microbiology conference 628 00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:12,363 about... ten years ago. 629 00:28:12,387 --> 00:28:14,144 I was still a postgrad. 630 00:28:15,938 --> 00:28:20,033 I have a hypothetical question for you, Dr. Reznick. 631 00:28:20,057 --> 00:28:21,243 Okay. 632 00:28:21,267 --> 00:28:24,373 If an unknown deadly virus or bacteria 633 00:28:24,397 --> 00:28:26,873 were to infect an isolated group of people, 634 00:28:26,897 --> 00:28:28,373 what, in your opinion, 635 00:28:28,397 --> 00:28:31,173 is the best course of action? 636 00:28:31,745 --> 00:28:33,213 Um, well, uh, 637 00:28:33,237 --> 00:28:38,013 if there was a chance to contain the outbreak within that group, 638 00:28:38,037 --> 00:28:39,553 I'd say that the only choice 639 00:28:39,577 --> 00:28:42,813 is to quarantine the infected... 640 00:28:42,837 --> 00:28:44,393 Nobody in, nobody out... 641 00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:48,063 And then watch the, uh, progression of the disease. 642 00:28:48,087 --> 00:28:49,903 Even if the disease were deadly? 643 00:28:49,927 --> 00:28:52,063 Well, if you don't know what the pathogen is, 644 00:28:52,087 --> 00:28:54,613 treating the symptoms may be futile. 645 00:28:54,637 --> 00:28:57,953 You're going to have to let in medical workers, 646 00:28:57,977 --> 00:29:00,594 and then, at some point, you're going to have to let them back out, 647 00:29:00,618 --> 00:29:02,373 and they very well may carry 648 00:29:02,397 --> 00:29:04,373 whatever it is to the general population. 649 00:29:04,397 --> 00:29:06,701 So, yeah, 650 00:29:06,725 --> 00:29:08,003 harsh as it sounds, 651 00:29:08,365 --> 00:29:09,992 quarantine. 652 00:29:10,777 --> 00:29:12,083 Because, unfortunately, 653 00:29:12,107 --> 00:29:16,213 sometimes five have to die to save 5,000. 654 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:28,709 "Sometimes five have to die to save 5,000." 655 00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:35,653 Is that why you sent the anthrax through the mail, Dr. Reznick? 656 00:29:35,677 --> 00:29:39,651 Because you thought it would be okay to kill two 657 00:29:39,675 --> 00:29:41,913 if it meant recovering the funds 658 00:29:41,937 --> 00:29:44,283 that you needed in order to find a cure? 659 00:29:44,307 --> 00:29:46,123 Objection. 660 00:29:46,147 --> 00:29:47,293 Facts not in evidence. 661 00:29:47,317 --> 00:29:48,793 Speculation. 662 00:29:48,817 --> 00:29:50,003 Badgering. 663 00:29:50,027 --> 00:29:51,293 Should I go on? 664 00:29:51,317 --> 00:29:53,003 Of course not. 665 00:29:53,027 --> 00:29:55,293 That is part of a larger conversation. 666 00:29:55,317 --> 00:29:57,253 You lifted that out of context. 667 00:29:57,277 --> 00:29:59,093 - Dr. Reznick. - And organically contracting 668 00:29:59,117 --> 00:30:00,923 a disease is fundamentally different 669 00:30:00,947 --> 00:30:03,471 - than intentionally infecting someone. - Dr. Reznick. 670 00:30:03,495 --> 00:30:04,803 Dr. Reznick. 671 00:30:04,827 --> 00:30:08,103 Your attorney was making an objection on your behalf. 672 00:30:08,127 --> 00:30:11,590 In the future, when an attorney makes an objection, 673 00:30:11,614 --> 00:30:14,770 please refrain from answering until I've rendered my decision 674 00:30:14,794 --> 00:30:15,983 on the objection. 675 00:30:16,433 --> 00:30:19,823 I will let the witness's statement remain in the record. 676 00:30:19,847 --> 00:30:23,248 Let's take a ten-minute break and allow everyone to cool down. 677 00:30:23,273 --> 00:30:24,719 - The witness will remain... - How's this playing where you are? 678 00:30:24,743 --> 00:30:25,773 Not terribly well. 679 00:30:25,797 --> 00:30:27,493 I'm afraid we lost all our greens, Bull. 680 00:30:27,517 --> 00:30:30,552 We will continue her testimony at that time. 681 00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,368 - So, how was dinner? - Not great. 682 00:30:35,392 --> 00:30:36,753 I wasn't hungry. I'd been eating 683 00:30:36,777 --> 00:30:38,512 my small intestine all afternoon. 684 00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:39,973 I promise you, 685 00:30:39,997 --> 00:30:42,353 it was as difficult to listen to over here 686 00:30:42,377 --> 00:30:47,023 as I'm sure it was for you to witness in person. 687 00:30:47,047 --> 00:30:48,863 The problem is, was, 688 00:30:48,887 --> 00:30:51,073 and continues to be we've presented the jury 689 00:30:51,097 --> 00:30:52,993 with no real alternatives to our client. 690 00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:55,073 We keep insisting it must be someone else, but... 691 00:30:55,097 --> 00:30:57,323 - we never say who. - Yeah. 692 00:30:57,347 --> 00:30:59,873 Bull's hitting the nail on the head, Marissa. 693 00:30:59,897 --> 00:31:02,203 Every time I feel like we're making progress, 694 00:31:02,227 --> 00:31:05,173 every time I feel a hint of traction with this jury, 695 00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:06,463 it all slips away. 696 00:31:06,487 --> 00:31:09,515 That's because they have no one else to consider but Natalie. 697 00:31:09,539 --> 00:31:12,133 I hear you. And all I can tell you is that... 698 00:31:12,157 --> 00:31:14,173 Danny, Chunk, and Taylor... 699 00:31:14,197 --> 00:31:16,343 Who is standing right next to me... 700 00:31:16,868 --> 00:31:18,933 They're all beating the bushes, 701 00:31:18,957 --> 00:31:21,723 trying to find someone who could have plausibly pulled this off. 702 00:31:21,747 --> 00:31:23,353 Dr. Bull, did you get a chance 703 00:31:23,377 --> 00:31:25,193 to go through those dossiers I prepared for you? 704 00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:28,233 There's material there on almost 50 lab employees, 705 00:31:28,257 --> 00:31:30,193 all of whom have access to anthrax. 706 00:31:30,217 --> 00:31:33,033 I'm getting through them as fast as I can, Taylor. 707 00:31:33,057 --> 00:31:35,559 But it's not as if anyone flagged one of the employees 708 00:31:35,583 --> 00:31:38,625 and said, "Here's a plausible suspect." 709 00:31:38,649 --> 00:31:40,163 Come on, Bull. We are all pulling 710 00:31:40,187 --> 00:31:41,703 on the same end of the rope here. 711 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,333 What? The hell was that? 712 00:31:45,357 --> 00:31:47,237 What's going on over there? 713 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:57,195 Uh... 714 00:31:57,219 --> 00:31:59,393 is it... safe out here? 715 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:01,053 Absolutely. 716 00:32:01,454 --> 00:32:03,223 My name is, uh, Jason Bull. 717 00:32:03,247 --> 00:32:05,183 This is my place of business. 718 00:32:05,207 --> 00:32:07,063 I have two employees inside. 719 00:32:07,087 --> 00:32:10,313 Do you have any sense of when they'll be able to come out? 720 00:32:10,337 --> 00:32:13,073 They will be able to come out at some point, right? 721 00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:14,903 It's gonna be quite a while. 722 00:32:14,927 --> 00:32:16,783 You might want to give them a call. 723 00:32:19,307 --> 00:32:20,783 How you guys feeling? 724 00:32:20,807 --> 00:32:23,203 At the moment? Absolutely fine. 725 00:32:23,227 --> 00:32:25,203 A little hungry. 726 00:32:25,227 --> 00:32:26,413 He asked. 727 00:32:26,437 --> 00:32:28,083 We can't eat anything from the kitchen. 728 00:32:28,107 --> 00:32:30,253 Can't eat anything until they give us the all clear 729 00:32:30,277 --> 00:32:31,329 and we can get out of here. 730 00:32:31,353 --> 00:32:33,593 We are gonna be fine. They've loaded us up with antibiotics. 731 00:32:33,617 --> 00:32:34,593 I think it's primarily 732 00:32:34,617 --> 00:32:37,093 about waiting for lab results at this point. 733 00:32:37,117 --> 00:32:39,593 Marissa, Taylor, I'm so sorry you're going through this. 734 00:32:39,617 --> 00:32:40,763 They give you 735 00:32:40,787 --> 00:32:42,393 any ETA on these tests? 736 00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:45,223 Uh, they've estimated another three hours or so. 737 00:32:45,247 --> 00:32:48,063 Taylor, do you need us to swing by your place 738 00:32:48,087 --> 00:32:49,103 and pick up your son? 739 00:32:49,127 --> 00:32:50,943 Nope. He's at his dad's. 740 00:32:50,967 --> 00:32:52,023 Thank goodness. 741 00:32:52,047 --> 00:32:54,943 Hey, uh, guys, there's nothing for you to do here. 742 00:32:54,967 --> 00:32:56,613 Why don't you just head home? 743 00:32:56,637 --> 00:32:59,573 Bull, I will text you as soon as they tell us anything. 744 00:32:59,597 --> 00:33:01,493 As soon as they let us out of here. 745 00:33:01,517 --> 00:33:03,283 Are you sure? I mean, 746 00:33:03,307 --> 00:33:05,293 I'm happy to stick around. 747 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:06,686 We're good. 748 00:33:07,147 --> 00:33:09,293 - We've got each other. - Okay. 749 00:33:09,317 --> 00:33:11,293 Then I am going to go home, 750 00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:14,293 kiss my baby, 751 00:33:14,568 --> 00:33:16,537 and read some dossiers. 752 00:33:19,157 --> 00:33:21,303 Would you think I was a terrible person 753 00:33:21,327 --> 00:33:22,763 if I told you that, 754 00:33:22,787 --> 00:33:25,143 as horrible as this must be for Marissa and Taylor, 755 00:33:25,167 --> 00:33:27,667 there's potentially a big upside to it? 756 00:33:28,667 --> 00:33:29,853 Oh, thank God. 757 00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:33,193 I thought I was the only one whose mind worked that way. 758 00:33:33,217 --> 00:33:35,233 Natalie's in jail. 759 00:33:35,257 --> 00:33:37,363 So she couldn't have done it. 760 00:33:37,387 --> 00:33:39,153 If the FBI and the CDC confirm 761 00:33:39,177 --> 00:33:42,323 that the handwriting is the same on the letter we got at TAC 762 00:33:42,347 --> 00:33:44,073 as on the envelopes that went out 763 00:33:44,097 --> 00:33:45,485 to the congressman and the newscaster... 764 00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:47,833 And that the construction of the gizmo 765 00:33:47,857 --> 00:33:51,253 that makes sure the anthrax makes contact with the person 766 00:33:51,277 --> 00:33:52,317 is similar... 767 00:33:54,108 --> 00:33:56,713 I think our client is free and clear. 768 00:33:57,403 --> 00:34:00,593 I'll make sure to keep all my digits crossed. 769 00:34:08,497 --> 00:34:09,957 Hello? 770 00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:12,193 Marissa. 771 00:34:12,543 --> 00:34:14,378 Tell me what's going on. 772 00:34:16,547 --> 00:34:18,257 On your way home? 773 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,993 Uh, that's great. 774 00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:22,720 Great to hear. 775 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:26,783 Really? 776 00:34:26,807 --> 00:34:29,147 They certain of that? Powdered sugar? 777 00:34:31,896 --> 00:34:34,253 Yeah, that is funny. 778 00:34:34,277 --> 00:34:36,463 If Taylor had only licked her fingers, 779 00:34:36,487 --> 00:34:38,444 she wouldn't have been hungry anymore. 780 00:34:39,737 --> 00:34:42,263 Well, the two of you get something to eat, 781 00:34:42,287 --> 00:34:45,263 get some sleep, and I'll see you in the morning. 782 00:34:45,576 --> 00:34:47,053 Night. 783 00:34:51,417 --> 00:34:54,063 You have no idea how happy I am 784 00:34:54,087 --> 00:34:57,193 to be standing here, talking to you. 785 00:34:57,588 --> 00:35:01,193 You have no idea how happy I am to be talked to. 786 00:35:01,217 --> 00:35:02,243 Mm. 787 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:03,823 Just a copycat. 788 00:35:03,847 --> 00:35:07,123 Copycat with powdered sugar trying to intimidate us. 789 00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:09,453 Somebody who'd watched the news and convinced themselves 790 00:35:09,477 --> 00:35:11,293 that Natalie is a murderer 791 00:35:11,317 --> 00:35:13,543 and that we're the bad guys just doing whatever we can 792 00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:15,583 - to help her evade the law. - Well, 793 00:35:16,238 --> 00:35:18,699 I went through the rest of the dossiers early this morning, 794 00:35:18,723 --> 00:35:21,343 and I found one that ticked a lot of boxes for me. 795 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:22,926 Really? 796 00:35:23,114 --> 00:35:25,553 What if I told you that one of the employees at Hudson 797 00:35:25,577 --> 00:35:28,530 served as a medic during the first Gulf War? 798 00:35:29,286 --> 00:35:32,473 Okay. And that's meaningful because...? 799 00:35:32,497 --> 00:35:35,339 Because it means they have firsthand knowledge 800 00:35:35,363 --> 00:35:38,653 of the devastation biological and chemical weapons cause. 801 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:41,783 No offense, but that hardly seems like enough 802 00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,823 to get a jury to change its mind. 803 00:35:44,296 --> 00:35:47,112 What if I told you this person was stationed in territory 804 00:35:47,136 --> 00:35:50,902 where Saddam Hussein was waging chemical and biological warfare 805 00:35:50,926 --> 00:35:53,691 against a large swath of civilians? 806 00:35:53,715 --> 00:35:57,072 Still kind of feels like we're making some big leaps here, 807 00:35:57,096 --> 00:35:58,242 don't you think? 808 00:35:59,108 --> 00:36:00,662 I don't know. 809 00:36:01,402 --> 00:36:04,082 Why does someone dedicate their life to finding an antidote 810 00:36:04,106 --> 00:36:05,922 to something like anthrax? 811 00:36:05,946 --> 00:36:08,252 We know why Natalie did it. 812 00:36:08,276 --> 00:36:12,196 She felt... a sense of obligation to her country. 813 00:36:14,290 --> 00:36:16,342 So, what if this person did it 814 00:36:16,366 --> 00:36:18,142 because they keenly understood 815 00:36:18,166 --> 00:36:21,772 that biological weapons were an imminent threat to the homeland? 816 00:36:21,796 --> 00:36:25,312 So, when Congress cut their funding for the research, 817 00:36:25,336 --> 00:36:28,062 they took matters into their own hands 818 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:30,579 and decided the one or two deaths 819 00:36:30,604 --> 00:36:32,782 necessary to seize the public's imagination 820 00:36:32,806 --> 00:36:36,782 were a fair trade if it helped prevent a greater harm. 821 00:36:36,806 --> 00:36:40,162 So, you're saying the FBI had the right motive... 822 00:36:40,186 --> 00:36:43,066 Just pegged the wrong person. 823 00:36:44,476 --> 00:36:47,082 Who is this person? 824 00:36:47,106 --> 00:36:48,922 Roger Simpkins? 825 00:36:48,946 --> 00:36:50,792 Uh, Natalie's boss? 826 00:36:50,816 --> 00:36:53,512 The man who oversees the entire program? 827 00:36:53,536 --> 00:36:57,012 His position means he can come and go between labs by himself 828 00:36:57,036 --> 00:36:58,642 without raising suspicion, 829 00:36:58,666 --> 00:37:02,102 which means he has access to anthrax. 830 00:37:02,126 --> 00:37:03,432 Not to mention the know-how 831 00:37:03,456 --> 00:37:06,102 and the equipment to dry the spores with. 832 00:37:06,126 --> 00:37:08,062 Not only did Dr. Simpkins have the motive, 833 00:37:08,086 --> 00:37:10,402 the means, and the opportunity to commit this crime... 834 00:37:10,426 --> 00:37:13,152 He was also in the perfect position to frame Natalie Reznick. 835 00:37:13,682 --> 00:37:15,492 Natalie had to get her boss's okay 836 00:37:15,516 --> 00:37:16,782 before she wrote to that list 837 00:37:16,806 --> 00:37:19,532 of legislators and journalists in the wake of the budget cuts. 838 00:37:20,189 --> 00:37:23,662 Dr. Simpkins could easily have pulled Congressman Connors' 839 00:37:23,686 --> 00:37:27,502 and Allison Rojas' names from that list in an effort 840 00:37:27,526 --> 00:37:29,212 to make Natalie look guilty. 841 00:37:31,276 --> 00:37:32,502 I'm sorry, 842 00:37:32,526 --> 00:37:37,012 but none of this sounds terribly convincing. 843 00:37:37,036 --> 00:37:39,512 In fact, it sounds desperate, 844 00:37:39,536 --> 00:37:41,142 like you know you're about to lose 845 00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:43,182 and you're throwing spaghetti on the wall, 846 00:37:43,206 --> 00:37:44,512 hoping something will stick. 847 00:37:44,536 --> 00:37:48,182 Look, I came to this meeting in good faith. 848 00:37:48,206 --> 00:37:49,892 But I got to tell you, 849 00:37:49,916 --> 00:37:52,732 I believe Natalie Reznick is guilty, 850 00:37:52,756 --> 00:37:54,692 and nothing I've heard here today 851 00:37:54,716 --> 00:37:57,822 even remotely begins to change my mind. 852 00:37:57,846 --> 00:38:00,032 Well, perhaps we should have skipped the warm-up then. 853 00:38:00,056 --> 00:38:03,306 Danny, the pi�ce de r�sistance, if you will. 854 00:38:08,106 --> 00:38:10,884 You recognize these images, Mr. Reynolds? 855 00:38:10,908 --> 00:38:12,042 Of course. 856 00:38:12,066 --> 00:38:13,882 Those are from the security footage 857 00:38:13,906 --> 00:38:17,135 the FBI lifted near the mailbox where the letters were sent. 858 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,052 You were never able to identify Natalie 859 00:38:19,076 --> 00:38:20,842 in any of these photos, were you? 860 00:38:20,866 --> 00:38:22,392 Come on. Look at the time of year. 861 00:38:22,416 --> 00:38:24,182 Look how everyone is dressed. 862 00:38:24,206 --> 00:38:27,168 Nevertheless, we do believe one of them is Natalie. 863 00:38:27,192 --> 00:38:30,272 Well, in the same way you set out to prove one of them is Natalie, 864 00:38:30,296 --> 00:38:33,926 we set out to prove one of them is Dr. Simpkins. 865 00:38:35,506 --> 00:38:37,282 We widened the surveillance area 866 00:38:37,306 --> 00:38:39,242 and accessed all of the security cameras 867 00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:41,032 within a half-mile radius of the mailbox. 868 00:38:41,056 --> 00:38:42,862 Now, the FBI determined that there was 869 00:38:42,886 --> 00:38:46,032 an eight-hour window during which the letters were mailed. 870 00:38:46,056 --> 00:38:49,542 So, using a photograph of Dr. Simpkins' face, 871 00:38:49,566 --> 00:38:51,752 our office created an algorithm 872 00:38:51,776 --> 00:38:54,752 to scan all eight hours of the footage 873 00:38:54,776 --> 00:38:56,406 from every single camera. 874 00:38:57,406 --> 00:38:59,592 This is what we found. 875 00:38:59,616 --> 00:39:02,958 Recorded by an ATM about four blocks away from the mailbox. 876 00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:06,795 As you can see, that's Roger Simpkins. 877 00:39:07,075 --> 00:39:09,432 And you'll notice his hat 878 00:39:09,456 --> 00:39:11,819 perfectly matches this hat. 879 00:39:11,843 --> 00:39:13,557 In this photo. 880 00:39:13,581 --> 00:39:16,726 Where a person is clearly mailing letters. 881 00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:19,846 Letters which I would bet contain anthrax. 882 00:39:23,982 --> 00:39:25,562 Nice work. 883 00:39:28,686 --> 00:39:31,122 Well, I suppose the four of us 884 00:39:31,146 --> 00:39:33,122 should take a walk down to the judge's chambers, 885 00:39:33,146 --> 00:39:34,740 see if we can get an audience. 886 00:39:36,742 --> 00:39:38,842 If this isn't probable cause for a search warrant, 887 00:39:38,866 --> 00:39:40,412 I don't know what is. 888 00:39:46,116 --> 00:39:47,432 Look out there. 889 00:39:47,456 --> 00:39:49,102 You see a single face mask? 890 00:39:49,126 --> 00:39:50,472 Nope. 891 00:39:50,496 --> 00:39:51,972 Just people walking their dogs, 892 00:39:51,996 --> 00:39:53,982 strolling their kids. 893 00:39:54,593 --> 00:39:56,442 Well, it's like we told the judge... 894 00:39:56,466 --> 00:39:58,612 The FBI searched Dr. Simpkins' apartment, 895 00:39:58,636 --> 00:40:00,822 only to discover it, too, had been bleached. 896 00:40:00,846 --> 00:40:03,442 Luckily, when they opened up the HVAC ducts, 897 00:40:03,466 --> 00:40:07,022 they found anthrax spores behind a vent in the kitchen. 898 00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:10,162 I still have a hard time believing it. 899 00:40:10,186 --> 00:40:11,952 We talked about it all the time. 900 00:40:11,976 --> 00:40:14,962 He kept saying how he wanted to help people, 901 00:40:14,986 --> 00:40:16,002 protect people. 902 00:40:16,026 --> 00:40:18,132 Oh, I'm sure he thought he was doing just that. 903 00:40:18,156 --> 00:40:20,119 Doing it for the greater good. 904 00:40:21,286 --> 00:40:24,052 You know, I guess that's why I like my work so much. 905 00:40:24,665 --> 00:40:26,882 Bacteria may be challenging, 906 00:40:27,376 --> 00:40:31,755 but they're a whole hell of a lot easier to understand than people. 69250

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