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so thank you in Mahan for visiting us
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here at the United Nations in Geneva for
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coming for this interview you know I
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always wanted to ask you this question
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why are you in the eyes of some people
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even your own people even Muslims a sort
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of controversial figure what do you
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think why that is Christian first of all
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thank you for your kind invitation to be
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interviewed here the last time we were
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at the other restaurant in Geneva and
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this time I'm back home because I used
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to be a graduate student a PhD student
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at the Graduate Institute of
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International Studies around the lake in
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Geneva there and while I was a PhD
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student I had access to the UN library
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so I used to be here the Paladin a co
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lot a lot a lot of time I spent over
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here so it's like coming back home but
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the world has changed since then it was
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40 years ago and now it's a strange new
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world and those who have eyes and can
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see with those eyes and that is the
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essential part of religion to have eyes
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and to be able to see and perceive the
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reality of things when we when we
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recognize the reality of the world today
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and then we expose its reality and we
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show that it the appearance and reality
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are quite different from each other the
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nuts a shock for many people because
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there are so many in the world today who
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have eyes and yet cannot see and as a
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consequence they respond to me with
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shock and with discomfort and that's why
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there are so many
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in the world today who have this
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particular attitude towards me but not
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only to me to all those whether you be
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Christian or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist or
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Muslim who seek to penetrate the reality
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of the world today and then to expose
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that reality we do become a people who
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are public problematic for the rest yes
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do you do you refer probably to also to
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the spiritual high to the high you know
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not to the the high of man but also the
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perception you know from a spiritual
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perspective right the religion of Islam
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is not unique in recognizing that it is
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the Lord God who created us all and who
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created the human being and when he
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created the human being he breathed it
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into the human being of his divine
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spirit as a consequence of which every
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human being by virtue of being a human
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being possesses something divine inside
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of him and her inside of him and that
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which is divine inside of us gave us the
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capacity to see what otherwise cannot be
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seen and so yes it is a spiritual
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interpretation of the world and a
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spiritual interpretation of history
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which makes us different
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Imran you you you let the Friday prayer
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service at the United Nations not even
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in Geneva but in New York for for how
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many 10 years yes yeah when you think
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back what was who was it about it was a
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very interesting time for me because
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prior to this I was in the world of
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books in the academic world well when I
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went to New York in 1992 and very
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quickly I was appointed as the
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Director of Islamic studies for the
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Joint Committee of Muslim organizations
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of Greater New York that is New York New
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Jersey and Connecticut the Islamic
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community of the United Nations was one
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of 16 organizations which came together
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to establish this joint committee and I
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was required to go to the United Nations
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headquarters in Manhattan once a month
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on the day of Friday the day of the
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congregational prayer and the the
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secretary-general gave us the largest
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hall in the building which was his
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reception hall for our prayers every for
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every Friday every day of Jummah and I
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would have to conduct the prayer I have
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to deliver this sermon and there would
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be delegates from all over the world
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coming in and out of the UN and after
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the prayer we will go to the cafeteria
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for lunch and I'll have a chance to chat
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with people from all parts of the world
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it was a thrilling experience for me a
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New York at that time was the center of
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the world but the gravity is changing
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now nirach is no longer going to remain
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the center of the world for long again
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and I spent there 10 years 10 years it
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was a very interesting time it was a
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learning experience I I was able to meet
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with rabbis for the first time in my
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life and the rabbi's were usually very
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well educated people and I had to
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interact with them and I'm green to this
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kind of world I met with ministers of
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the Christian faith
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I remember being invited to a conference
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in upstate New York and there were 200
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Methodist Christian ministers and I have
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to make a presentation on Islam and I'm
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the only was llem
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and they were challenging me on certain
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verses of the Quran and I had to respond
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and I was beginning to understand the
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world afresh so my stay in New York for
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those 10 years at the United Nations
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headquarters in Manhattan
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was very beneficial for me for
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understanding the world today you know
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we're talking about religion and
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inter-religious dialogue interfaith
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dialogue what in your opinion is you
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know how can we get you know all these
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different religions together that belief
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in you know the one God and make them
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understand that if we unite together you
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know then we are a force against the
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evil of ungodliness and everything that
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goes on in the secular world today right
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Christian it's a good time for the beard
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to be white it's a good time to be old
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and it's a difficult time to be young
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you and I have seen the world change
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before our eyes and it's still changing
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there is some mysterious transformation
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taking place before eyes in the world
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and it's not for the better it is as
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though the world is decaying it's
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rotting and when we look at the cause of
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the rotting of the world we see that
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there appears to be a war being waged on
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the religious way of life the religious
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way of life delivers stability stability
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in the person stability in the family
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stability in the home in the society and
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in the world and as the religious way of
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life is under attack and it crumbles and
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disintegrates there is chaos in the
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world is on our key in the world and
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society is collapsing around the world
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it's becoming a more and more violent
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world it's becoming a world of more
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tears than smiles and if you recognize
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that this is happening in the world
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today and you old enough to be able to
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have that maturity what do we do about
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it and our first response Christian our
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first response is is
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time for those who live the religious
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way of life to come together religion is
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based on moral values on truth and truth
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it's under attack in the world today it
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is with truth that you can recognize
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falsehood it is with truth that you can
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expose falsehood religion is based on
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truth and truth is based on justice it
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is with truth that you can recognize
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injustice and oppression in law and we
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will live the religious way of life the
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Christian the Roman Catholic Church the
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Protestants the Hindus the Buddhists the
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Orthodox Christian the Jew if a Jew
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opposes oppression and resists the
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oppressor he is my brother if a
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Christian does the same he is my brother
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as a Muslim and so it's time enough for
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us to come together to try to understand
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the reality of the world today and to
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devise a common strategy for responding
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to the challenge to faces us today is
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this what you refer to in from an
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Islamic view evil and good and evil gog
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and magog is that what we are talking
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about the Christian knows about Gog and
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Magog explain shortly what kokkinakis
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gog and magog people and they are people
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who belong to the end time so it's
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eschatology they are created by the Lord
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God and they are endowed with power
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irresistible power but we who follow the
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religious way of life we will use power
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to oppose oppression and we will use
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power to liberate the oppressed
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and we will use power to assist those
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who want to live lives of righteousness
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and piety but they use power to oppress
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and they use power to wage war on the
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religious way of life and that's where
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we are today those who are waging war on
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the religious way of life in the world
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today those who are the masters of
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oppression are gog and magog in the
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world of Islam we have gog and magog
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christianity has it judaism has it i
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have written a book entitled an islamic
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view of gog and magog in the modern
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world but it's not possible in the brief
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time that we have to be able to go to
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the quran to teach to explain to you but
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in a nutshell look at the world today
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and you see those who control power and
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are using that power to oppress and are
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using that power to wage a war on the
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religious way of life they a Goggin
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regard isn't that oppression that you
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are also referring to here pretty much
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driven by the monetary system for
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example is that is that part of the
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oppressive I'm so happy I'm so happy
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that you asked that question
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because I forgot something about gog and
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magog they have PhDs in corruption they
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corrupt everything that they touch and
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they corrupt for example the human
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personality which which which is
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comprised of external site and internal
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site in the human personality and they
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corrupted such an extent that we have
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inside of us only darkness no light if
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you have no light inside of you you
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cannot see they corrupt our bedroom life
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the corrupt a woman who is supposed to
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be
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a woman now she's being changed into a
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man and the man who is supposed to be a
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man and fulfill his functions as a man
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to maintain his family for example he
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now is abandoning that and living more
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of the feminine way of life this
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corruption is taking place everywhere in
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sports in education in the political
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system in business but it is taking
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place most dangerous all in money and
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when Jesus comes back and the most
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powerful voice in history to her
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prophesied that Jesus will return is the
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voice of Prophet Muhammad Allah
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blessings be upon him when Jesus comes
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back he's not going to be using the Euro
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or the USD no when Jesus come back he
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will be using the money that they were
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using in the temple in Jerusalem and the
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Christian has to be reminded I hope he's
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not offended by a Muslim reminding him
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that when Jesus returns he's going to be
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using gold coins and silver coins
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because the temple minted its own coins
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in Jerusalem that is now prohibited by
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those who control power in the world
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you're not allowed to you as gold as
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money no and we must resist it we will
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live the religious way of life the
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corruption of money is the most
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dangerous problem we face today in the
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world and in the religious way of life
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would you say with all the things that
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are happening around us in the past
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20-30 years or more even that this is
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really we are living actually really in
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the last day so to speak is this we most
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certainly living in the end time and we
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are now on the verge of the greatest war
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of all history and I remember Pope
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Francis meeting with the head of the
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Orthodox Christian Church it was it may
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be in Havana they met
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maybe a year ago and both of them the
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leaders of this side of Christianity and
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that side of Christianity both made a
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declaration warning about the great war
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which is coming and seeking to try to
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avoid that Great War I remember that
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declaration to Pope Francis and in Cuba
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that Great War is part of the endtime
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the Christian knows it is Armageddon the
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Muslim knows it as the Mihama and that
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great war is going to substantially
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reduce the population of the world so
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this is a subject of supreme importance
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we are on the verge of it and it could
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start in Korea echo start in Ukraine but
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we know the gravity is going to put it
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to a particular area between Syria and
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Turkey where the pieces are being put in
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place where the pieces are being put in
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place for the Great War we in Islamic
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eschatology not only know about the
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Great War but we know what's going to
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happen after the Great War and I was
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pleasantly surprised to find in
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Christian eschatology that you also have
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the same view today is going to be a
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conquest of Constantinople after the
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Great War I went to Moscow and I was
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surprised to find Christian eschatology
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or we also have this belief of the
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conquest of Constantinople after which
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the Antichrist will appear in person
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Constantinople being Istanbul I don't
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like the word Istanbul no but I mean yes
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I don't like the word Istanbul I want to
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recover the word Constantinople
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when our prophet referred to that city
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he used the name Constantinople and when
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we liberate that city we will recover
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the name of Constantinople number one
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number two we will apologize to the
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Christian world
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we will apologize to the Christian world
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for what the Ottoman Empire did when
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they conquered the city they took the
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largest Christian Cathedral the Hagia
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Sophia which had been a Cathedral for
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1,000 years and they sinfully and
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disgracefully and maliciously
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transformed it into a Masjid to the
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eternal shame and disgrace of the world
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of Islam so we will restore it it is
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your church it is your Cathedral and
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apologize to the question well let's
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talk for a second about Pope Francis
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what is your view on this Pope on the
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papacy oh I would very much love to meet
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with the leaders of the Roman Catholic
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Church for a dialogue on eschatology
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that he should recognize that the great
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war is coming for me it's important he
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did not refer to it as Armageddon so I'd
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like to ask him whether you are
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referring to Armageddon and if you are
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then what follows after that and how
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should we respond to Armageddon we need
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to have Christian Muslim Jewish dialogue
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not just on what is similar between our
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religions and what is different but more
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importantly a dialogue on eschatology on
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the endtime I perhaps one of the if you
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will excuse it did one of the leading
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scholars in the world of Islam today and
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this is not in any boasting way we have
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several books which have been written
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and I'm just completing now a new book
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on the Antichrist the Quran and the
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bidding a beginning of history and after
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this will come another book on the
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Antichrist the Quran in the end of
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history and then another book on from
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Jesus the true Messiah to the Antichrist
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the false messiah so I am literally
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pioneering Islamic eschatology and it's
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a time for
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student dialogue if I can meet with the
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Pope or with his representatives for the
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Catholic Church the Protestants the
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Orthodox Christians and dialogue and the
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subject it would be fascinating isn't
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there the the way of religious life the
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or shall we say the necessary in order
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to prepare us for the life they after so
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is that the the protection of the ridaz
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life a protection of our eternal life in
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a way so the threat from the other side
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is obviously from the enemy that tries
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to you know be stand between us and
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salvation yes the religious free of life
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is important and those who are priests
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and rabbis and imams and scholars and
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who live a life of piety we these are
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the beacon these are the luminaries of
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the world today I remember when I was in
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secondary school my father chose the
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most important College in the country in
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Trinidad a secular institution and I
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should have been happy to be in the most
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important College in the country I
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remember at the age of 14 asking my
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father can you transfer me to the Roman
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Catholic College in my own town because
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there was a natural attraction to the
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priest who lived the religious way of
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life I didn't have that in that major
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college of the country so the priest who
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is a pious person and who lives the
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religious way of life can transform
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those who around him transform the world
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but today it is corruption you have the
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Islamic scholars who are being paid to
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do all kinds of wrong things and you
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have the Christian priests who are an
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embarrassment to the Christian Church
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and they are rabbis also like that so we
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if we look for those who are
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authentically living the religious way
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of life in Christianity in you
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in Hinduism in Buddhism in Islam and
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these people come together not the
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rotten apples how do we spot them that
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they are the right ones and the other
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ones the rotten apples those who truly
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live the religious way of life would
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have light in Arabic the word is no
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light there be light in their hearts and
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there be light in the face you can't buy
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that light in the supermarket no it's
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fading away today those who control the
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political world are people with only
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darkness those who control the market
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have only darkness on their faces those
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who control the banking system only
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darkness on their face but when you have
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eyes at which you can see you can
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recognize someone who has light who
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walks with purity when Jesus comes back
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you will see light walking not pure pure
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pure light when Jesus comes back here
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and we look forward to that day in the
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world of Islam let's talk for minute
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about the the end times and if we're
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talking about a mageddon so how is why
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is this so important that we speak about
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the end times you know because Jesus
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four examined the Bible spoke that we
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living in the last days already and this
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is a thought of three thousand years ago
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so end times and I'm again when are the
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end times what what what do we have to
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discuss in your opinion about the end
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times from the perspective of Islam
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something that no Muslim can defer with
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is that the most important event
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remaining to occur in history is the
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return of the Son of Mary the Virgin
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Mary Jesus a large blessing be upon them
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all but our prophet has said that before
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Jesus returns the Antichrist will seek
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to impersonate him what we're living
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through now is an effort by the
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Antichrist to prepare himself for that
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moment when he going to appear in person
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and then from Jerusalem proclaim himself
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to be the Messiah but he would not be
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the Messiah he would be the false
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messiah but in order for him to convince
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those who rejected Jesus as the Messiah
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to convince them that he is their
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Messiah he will have to do a number of
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things number one he will have to
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liberate the Holy Land for them
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number two he'll have to bring them back
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to the Holy Land to reclaim it as their
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own after 2,000 years number three he'll
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have to restore a state of israel in the
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holy land and make the proclamation
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eventually this is holy Israel of
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Solomon and of David and number four
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most dangerous of all for which he needs
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Armageddon he needs our gettin is that
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that Israel must become the ruling state
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in the world pax Judaica so we can now
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understand that Pax Britannica and Pax
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Americana were meant to pave the way for
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pax Judaica we are on the verge of that
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at this time so when you refer to Pax
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Americana and pax Britannia is that in
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the control over the monetary system
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it's not just the control over the
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monetary system is that the control over
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money is part and parcel of the effort
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required to control the world to rule
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the world
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the holy state of Israel of Solomon our
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last lesson be upon him was a ruling
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state it's going to surprise your
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viewers now what I'm going to say it's
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also kind of a surprise the Muslims who
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have been reading the Quran but not as
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yet been able to understand that in the
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Quran we're told that the Lord God one
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day caused something to happen to
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Solomon which caused him distress
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well Akkad fattened s all a man and when
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he saw what it was probably a vision he
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saw someone sitting on his throne and he
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realized that this was an impostor who
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would one day seek to capture holy
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Israel and he then made a prayer which
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is in the Quran he prayed to God for a
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holy Israel lion beguiling Adam embody
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that no one after me will be able it
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cannot belong to any one after me
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meaning the Antichrist so he saw the
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Antichrist sitting on his throne but the
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Quran refers to that person who was
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sitting on the throne as a being without
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a soul a body without a soul that's the
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Antichrist we are now living through
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that moment in history when the effort
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to establish a holy state of Israel and
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declared to be the State of Israel of
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Solomon and of David is about the climax
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is about the climax the Jew who is a Jew
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and who longs for truth would must must
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recognize that this is a false messiah
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it's coming the Christian must recognize
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of course because the Christian believes
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that Jesus is the Messiah and so does
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the Muslim that this is a false messiah
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who is now seeking to control law and
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who is using oppression oppression in
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the monetary system of
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Russian in the banking system or
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Christian in the political system and
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anyone who seeks to resist him is a
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terrorist
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so now let's talk quickly about
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Jerusalem in the Koran
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Jerusalem is perhaps in English oh I
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don't know what language it is in
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Jerusalem but the Arabic is not
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Jerusalem in the Arabic language we the
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Quran isn't in Arabic language yeah it
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is good or as Bayt al-maqdis the holy
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city the holy city here and there are
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several references in the Quran but it's
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always covered the Quran for example we
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refer to it as alarmed Olmo Kunduz at
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the holy land the holy land in which is
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located the city of Jerusalem and the
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Quran says Christian you're going to be
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surprised when I tell you this the Quran
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says that the holy land was given to the
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Israelite people to the Jews and I often
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wonder why is it not posted in all black
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letters in the New York Times
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the Quran said the holy land was given
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to the Jews yes yes yes Christian you're
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going to be surprised the reason why
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they don't do it is because the Quran
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goes on to explain it holy Jerusalem in
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the Holy Land was given conditionally
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conditionally did you have to be
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righteous in conduct and you have to be
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worshipping the one God don't tell any
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lies about him hmm if you say you are
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the chosen people of the Lord God to the
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exclusion of all the rest of mankind I'm
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quoting for you the Quran if you believe
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that you are the chosen people of the
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Lord cut the people who are the elect of
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the ladka to
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the exclusion of all the rest of mankind
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the Quran says well why don't you desire
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death if you are truthful
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if you believes is the Quran that heaven
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is reserved for you to the exclusion of
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all the rest of mankind you the only
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ones for heaven
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but why don't you desire death if you
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are indeed truthful but this is false
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this is false all human beings will
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stand before the Lord God on Judgment
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Day as equal in his sight as other teeth
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of a comb the white the black the brown
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the yellow none can claim superiority
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over another superiority is based on
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conduct if you are righteous in your
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conduct if you stand up for justice you
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are superior before the Lord God and if
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you are an oppressor Jerusalem and the
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holy land which is Israel today is where
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the final struggle is taking place and
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history will conclude with the triumph
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of truth over falsehood and justice over
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injustice and oppression that is our
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eschatology now in conclusion go back to
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the Catholic Church anti Islamic faith
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are there any how do we should get
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together what what would you suggest to
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fight this together to bring all you
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know believers that believe in God
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together and what is a plan that you
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have maybe there are lots of rotten
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apples Krish doesn't have lots of rotten
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apples in the world today we got rotten
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apples in the world of Islam you got
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rotten apples in the world of
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Christianity they got rotten apples in
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Judaism there lots of rotten apples in
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Africa and in India and in China we have
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to try to separate those who are indeed
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pure from those who are not and the
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Roman Catholic priest and scholar
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who is living purity living the life of
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integrity and who has been blessed with
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light this is the man who we should
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reach out to in the Roman Catholic
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Church such a man will be able to
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recognize the oppressor and recognize
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oppression and recognize the history of
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oppression on Africa for example the
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history of oppression in united states
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where slavery is still around and try
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being in united states because the slave
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master is still a slave master and you
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have to be blind not to see that the
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slaves in America are still slaves today
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just look at the economy and he'll tell
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you so you have to look for such people
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in the Roman Catholic Church look for
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such people in Jewish religion and in
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Islam these are the ones who must come
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together not the rotten apples and they
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must dialogue with each other I have
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much to learn from the Christian faith I
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have much to learn from Christian
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eschatology yes and for me it's a joy a
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pleasure to meet with a monk to meet
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with a priest who is living the
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religious way of life to benefit from
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his company I think this is the kind of
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dialogue not the establishment the
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establishment has been taken over and is
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taken for a ride
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we got to look for them the ones who
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truly live the religious way of life and
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these must come together and I'm
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grateful to you Christian for this
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opportunity to share with you these
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views which I hope will now reach to the
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Roman Catholic Church wherever this
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program is viewed and that they may
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respond positively I thank you also I
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learned a lot through your teachings as
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well you know being Catholic and
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listening to your television programmes
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I think we all could use more you know
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learning and listening to other teachers
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that are outside of our own religion in
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order to understand the religion
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and understand what we have in common
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and then you know together do something
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about the world that is completely
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opposed to this thank you so much man
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for being here with us today taking your
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time and yeah hope you know - see you
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soon on your program Thank You Christian
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thank you god bless you
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