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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,626 --> 00:00:07,918 (quiet dramatic music) 2 00:00:26,584 --> 00:00:30,292 (speaks in foreign language) 3 00:00:54,959 --> 00:00:58,709 - They had the strong conviction that this was right, 4 00:00:58,709 --> 00:01:00,876 and they were here at the right place, 5 00:01:00,876 --> 00:01:04,667 celebrating this party, and celebrating these politics. 6 00:01:04,667 --> 00:01:07,876 - I mean, I as a child grew up in Germany. 7 00:01:07,876 --> 00:01:10,375 And I saw what happened sometimes, you know, 8 00:01:10,375 --> 00:01:11,999 when they had these mass rallies. 9 00:01:11,999 --> 00:01:13,792 And when I saw Hitler's speeches. 10 00:01:13,792 --> 00:01:17,125 - 10,000 German lawyers and judges took an oath 11 00:01:17,125 --> 00:01:19,876 of personal loyalty to the Fuhrer. 12 00:01:19,876 --> 00:01:24,876 - In Nazi arguments, the law is the will of the Fuhrer. 13 00:01:24,999 --> 00:01:29,375 - Because he brings the hope, the glory, the pride. 14 00:01:30,459 --> 00:01:34,999 - And then it all went horribly wrong. 15 00:01:34,999 --> 00:01:37,709 (somber music) 16 00:01:43,876 --> 00:01:47,584 (speaks in foreign language) 17 00:01:54,709 --> 00:01:58,375 (speaks in foreign language) 18 00:02:03,918 --> 00:02:06,999 (crowd cheering) 19 00:02:06,999 --> 00:02:09,000 - In 1933, less than a month 20 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,459 after being elected Chancellor, 21 00:02:10,459 --> 00:02:13,626 Adolf Hitler used the pretext of a fire 22 00:02:13,626 --> 00:02:16,999 in the Reichstag building to suspend constitutional law. 23 00:02:16,999 --> 00:02:19,501 And place unlimited judicial authority 24 00:02:19,501 --> 00:02:20,999 in the hands of the government. 25 00:02:22,292 --> 00:02:24,584 - It was a cataclysmic event. 26 00:02:24,584 --> 00:02:27,292 I mean, think in terms of our Capitol burning 27 00:02:27,292 --> 00:02:28,417 down. 28 00:02:28,417 --> 00:02:30,959 The Reichstag was their Congress. 29 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:32,459 And the Reichstag couldn't meet. 30 00:02:32,459 --> 00:02:34,834 And when the Reichstag is not in session, 31 00:02:34,834 --> 00:02:37,292 the Chancellor has emergency powers. 32 00:02:37,292 --> 00:02:40,167 So here you have Adolf Hitler given these 33 00:02:40,167 --> 00:02:43,626 enormous emergency powers to do almost anything 34 00:02:43,626 --> 00:02:46,042 that would be contrary to a democratic society. 35 00:02:46,042 --> 00:02:48,999 - The German legal system 36 00:02:48,999 --> 00:02:53,542 in 1933 was a very sophisticated legal system. 37 00:02:53,542 --> 00:02:55,501 This was not primitive law. 38 00:02:55,501 --> 00:02:57,417 It was really seen, German legal science, 39 00:02:57,417 --> 00:02:59,751 was really seen as the height 40 00:02:59,751 --> 00:03:00,999 of what the law was supposed to be 41 00:03:00,999 --> 00:03:01,792 about. 42 00:03:01,792 --> 00:03:04,000 - After the burning of the Reichstag, 43 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,999 which was more than a symbolic act 44 00:03:05,999 --> 00:03:07,459 in destroying the parliament, 45 00:03:08,667 --> 00:03:11,584 10,000 lawyers took an oath. 46 00:03:11,584 --> 00:03:14,042 Not surprising, I've taken an oath as a lawyer 47 00:03:14,042 --> 00:03:16,999 to defend the Constitution of the United States. 48 00:03:16,999 --> 00:03:19,584 But 10,000 German lawyers and judges 49 00:03:19,584 --> 00:03:23,999 took an oath of personal loyalty to the Fuhrer, 50 00:03:23,999 --> 00:03:25,375 which is the antithesis 51 00:03:25,375 --> 00:03:27,999 of what we think of as the rule of law. 52 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:31,375 - So the Nazis coming to power realized 53 00:03:31,375 --> 00:03:34,501 that the law was a very powerful instrument. 54 00:03:34,501 --> 00:03:38,292 In order to get the German public to follow 55 00:03:38,292 --> 00:03:41,876 and to acquiesce in those early steps. 56 00:03:41,876 --> 00:03:45,250 - The principal procedure governing German law 57 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:46,626 during the Third Reich 58 00:03:46,626 --> 00:03:48,959 was something called the Fuhrerprinzip. 59 00:03:50,209 --> 00:03:53,667 And the idea was that Hitler had absolute discretion 60 00:03:54,999 --> 00:03:58,459 to make any ruling whatsoever in the interest of the state. 61 00:03:59,626 --> 00:04:02,999 And that there were lesser or subordinate Fuhrers 62 00:04:02,999 --> 00:04:05,042 who also followed the Fuhrerprinzip, 63 00:04:05,042 --> 00:04:07,417 and also themselves had wide discretion, 64 00:04:07,417 --> 00:04:08,999 limited only by what the Fuhrer 65 00:04:08,999 --> 00:04:10,999 above them had told them to do. 66 00:04:10,999 --> 00:04:13,209 (speaks in foreign language) 67 00:04:13,209 --> 00:04:15,167 - Over the next 12 years, 68 00:04:15,167 --> 00:04:17,375 the Nazi party continued its subversion 69 00:04:17,375 --> 00:04:20,918 of constitutional safeguards until Germany's courts 70 00:04:20,918 --> 00:04:22,584 amounted to nothing more than tools 71 00:04:22,584 --> 00:04:24,876 for the implementation of National Socialism. 72 00:04:24,876 --> 00:04:27,542 (speaks in foreign language) 73 00:04:27,542 --> 00:04:30,042 (crowd cheers) 74 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:37,999 Early in their subversion of law, Nazi officials 75 00:04:37,999 --> 00:04:40,999 established special courts to deal with anyone 76 00:04:40,999 --> 00:04:43,792 the party deemed an enemy of the Reich. 77 00:04:43,792 --> 00:04:47,250 In these courts, there was no pre-trial investigation. 78 00:04:47,250 --> 00:04:49,792 Judges determined arbitrarily what evidence 79 00:04:49,792 --> 00:04:52,876 to consider, and there was no right of appeal. 80 00:04:52,876 --> 00:04:56,375 - Now, this is the time when the judiciary could have 81 00:04:56,375 --> 00:04:58,751 and should have stood up and said, wait a moment 82 00:04:58,751 --> 00:05:00,667 we have rules and laws here, 83 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:03,709 this is our nation that is being corrupted. 84 00:05:03,709 --> 00:05:06,626 And the Chancellor said, this is only temporary 85 00:05:06,626 --> 00:05:10,501 because of the terror that's been visited upon Germany. 86 00:05:10,501 --> 00:05:14,167 (speaks in foreign language) 87 00:05:17,792 --> 00:05:19,584 - Once he succeeded in concentrating 88 00:05:19,584 --> 00:05:21,959 legal authority into his own hands, 89 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:24,876 Hitler then had the tools for eliminating all those 90 00:05:24,876 --> 00:05:27,584 he deemed to be enemies of the Reich. 91 00:05:27,584 --> 00:05:30,125 Primary among these were Jews and other minorities. 92 00:05:32,626 --> 00:05:35,751 Before the Nazi era, Jewish lawyers constituted 93 00:05:35,751 --> 00:05:38,999 a large percentage of Germany's legal community. 94 00:05:38,999 --> 00:05:41,292 With Hitler's rise to power, Jews were 95 00:05:41,292 --> 00:05:43,999 no longer allowed to practice law. 96 00:05:43,999 --> 00:05:46,250 Eventually most lost their lives as well. 97 00:05:47,167 --> 00:05:49,501 One who survived, Max Friedlaender, 98 00:05:49,501 --> 00:05:52,542 was a distinguished legal ethicist. 99 00:05:52,542 --> 00:05:55,501 After his escape from Germany, he wrote memoirs 100 00:05:55,501 --> 00:05:58,000 that offer a vivid portrait of life before, 101 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,626 during and after the Nazi era. 102 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:02,999 (somber music) 103 00:06:02,999 --> 00:06:05,999 - On January 30th, 1933, 104 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:07,000 I was in Berlin 105 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,292 for a meeting of the Board of Directors 106 00:06:09,292 --> 00:06:11,417 of the German Bar Association 107 00:06:11,417 --> 00:06:14,083 when a telephone call informed us 108 00:06:14,083 --> 00:06:16,999 that Adolf Hitler had become Chancellor. 109 00:06:16,999 --> 00:06:20,417 But it was only later, after the Nazis had swept aside 110 00:06:20,417 --> 00:06:23,375 all legal barriers to their reign of terror, 111 00:06:23,375 --> 00:06:24,999 that we would come to understand 112 00:06:24,999 --> 00:06:26,999 the full implications of this event. 113 00:06:26,999 --> 00:06:30,876 (speaks in foreign language) 114 00:06:41,999 --> 00:06:44,459 (crowd cheers) 115 00:06:45,876 --> 00:06:49,167 The German Bar Association soon met its final fate. 116 00:06:49,167 --> 00:06:51,667 All votes on resolutions were held 117 00:06:51,667 --> 00:06:53,751 under the supervision of the SA, 118 00:06:53,751 --> 00:06:56,250 and I would not have advised anyone 119 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:57,959 to cast a dissenting vote. 120 00:06:59,083 --> 00:07:02,083 In a similar manner, the regional Bar Associations 121 00:07:02,083 --> 00:07:05,000 and the Bavarian Lawyers' Association disappeared. 122 00:07:05,999 --> 00:07:10,999 On April 7th, 1933, the German government enacted 123 00:07:11,334 --> 00:07:15,751 a law forbidding attorneys of non-Aryan descent 124 00:07:15,751 --> 00:07:17,667 from representing Aryan clients. 125 00:07:18,999 --> 00:07:21,999 If anyone dared do so, their names were published 126 00:07:21,999 --> 00:07:25,042 in the press, their businesses were boycotted, 127 00:07:25,042 --> 00:07:29,167 and soon it even became grounds for divorce. 128 00:07:29,167 --> 00:07:32,042 - When the Nazis first came to power, 129 00:07:32,042 --> 00:07:35,876 they ended up promulgating a number of laws 130 00:07:35,876 --> 00:07:39,209 that incrementally deprived Jews 131 00:07:39,209 --> 00:07:43,334 and other persecuted minorities of civil rights. 132 00:07:43,334 --> 00:07:45,667 These incremental steps that we're talking 133 00:07:45,667 --> 00:07:46,501 about that results in the Final Solution 134 00:07:46,501 --> 00:07:51,167 were all legal steps. 135 00:07:51,167 --> 00:07:52,501 And you can trace this. 136 00:07:52,501 --> 00:07:55,999 You can trace the Holocaust as a legal event. 137 00:07:55,999 --> 00:07:58,792 - Genocide, the extermination 138 00:07:58,792 --> 00:08:01,584 of whole categories of human beings, 139 00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:05,999 was a foremost instrument of the Nazi doctrine. 140 00:08:05,999 --> 00:08:09,999 We shall show that these deeds of men in uniform 141 00:08:09,999 --> 00:08:14,999 were the methodical execution of long-range plans 142 00:08:15,999 --> 00:08:20,999 to destroy ethnic, national political and religious groups 143 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:25,542 which stood condemned in the Nazi mind. 144 00:08:25,542 --> 00:08:27,667 - If you begin with the assumption 145 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:31,667 that you are a member of a superior race, 146 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:34,375 and that others who have a different color 147 00:08:34,375 --> 00:08:35,999 or a different religion, 148 00:08:35,999 --> 00:08:37,999 or a different ideology 149 00:08:37,999 --> 00:08:40,999 are inferior, then it begins to follow 150 00:08:40,999 --> 00:08:44,375 that the superior one should dominate the inferior one, 151 00:08:44,375 --> 00:08:47,709 or eventually eliminate him as well. 152 00:08:47,709 --> 00:08:49,459 (somber music) 153 00:08:49,459 --> 00:08:51,999 - Doctrines of so-called criminal types 154 00:08:51,999 --> 00:08:54,209 were implemented that allowed Hitler's courts 155 00:08:54,209 --> 00:08:56,999 the further liberty of condemning enemies of the state 156 00:08:56,999 --> 00:08:58,999 not based on what they had done, 157 00:08:58,999 --> 00:09:01,501 but on the sole basis of who they were. 158 00:09:04,125 --> 00:09:06,999 - The enemy, which we regard this enemy, 159 00:09:06,999 --> 00:09:11,999 has to be pursued, not because he has done something wrong 160 00:09:12,167 --> 00:09:16,709 in our eyes, in the eyes of the state leadership, 161 00:09:16,709 --> 00:09:20,292 but because he is different. 162 00:09:20,292 --> 00:09:24,501 It was a principle of the National Socialist Constitution 163 00:09:24,501 --> 00:09:28,167 that race is a very, very important point, 164 00:09:28,167 --> 00:09:32,501 and that everybody has to be treated according to his race. 165 00:09:32,501 --> 00:09:34,999 This was official state doctrine. 166 00:09:34,999 --> 00:09:38,584 You couldn't act openly against the state doctrine. 167 00:09:39,501 --> 00:09:43,209 (speaks in foreign language) 168 00:09:45,042 --> 00:09:47,125 - Perhaps future generations will read 169 00:09:47,125 --> 00:09:50,999 about the books that were burned, forbidden, boycotted, 170 00:09:50,999 --> 00:09:53,000 often not even for their content, 171 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,542 but because of their author's race. 172 00:09:56,417 --> 00:09:57,209 I was leafing through a recent 173 00:09:57,209 --> 00:10:01,542 Nazi commentary on laws governing attorneys. 174 00:10:01,542 --> 00:10:04,292 And I found sentences lifted verbatim 175 00:10:04,292 --> 00:10:06,125 from one of my own books. 176 00:10:07,999 --> 00:10:10,999 Roland Friesler, Undersecretary in the Prussian 177 00:10:10,999 --> 00:10:14,083 Ministry of Justice, wrote a review. 178 00:10:14,083 --> 00:10:18,125 He said, "For decades, the German Bar had to accept 179 00:10:18,125 --> 00:10:20,999 "the shameful fact that the law governing 180 00:10:20,999 --> 00:10:24,542 "its conduct was commented on by Jews. 181 00:10:24,542 --> 00:10:28,999 "Now at last a German commentary has appeared." 182 00:10:30,501 --> 00:10:33,042 It was a truly new way of fighting 183 00:10:33,042 --> 00:10:35,209 Jewish intellectual property. 184 00:10:35,209 --> 00:10:38,999 You just brand it as inferior, then copy it, 185 00:10:38,999 --> 00:10:42,501 and now praise it as an Aryan creation. 186 00:10:45,334 --> 00:10:48,417 - In 1934, the People's Court was established 187 00:10:48,417 --> 00:10:51,999 to try those accused of political offenses. 188 00:10:51,999 --> 00:10:53,999 Eventually, the court came under the presidency 189 00:10:53,999 --> 00:10:57,709 of Roland Freisler, a Nazi of such extreme sentiments 190 00:10:57,709 --> 00:11:00,125 that he shocked even his fellow Nazi judges. 191 00:11:00,125 --> 00:11:03,999 (speaks in foreign language) 192 00:11:19,083 --> 00:11:22,209 Freisler was one of an echelon of senior German jurists 193 00:11:22,209 --> 00:11:24,125 who paved the way for the betrayal 194 00:11:24,125 --> 00:11:26,626 of the rule of law in the 1930s. 195 00:11:29,125 --> 00:11:31,999 Carl Schmitt, Hitler's legal theorist, 196 00:11:31,999 --> 00:11:34,250 a wealthy and ambitious conservative 197 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:37,959 who described the Fuhrer as Germany's guardian of justice. 198 00:11:39,626 --> 00:11:44,250 Erwin Bumke, the man who drafted Hitler's emergency laws. 199 00:11:44,250 --> 00:11:47,334 These and other senior officials of Hitler's courts 200 00:11:47,334 --> 00:11:50,667 empowered police to disband organizations, 201 00:11:50,667 --> 00:11:52,584 seize assets, make arrests, 202 00:11:52,584 --> 00:11:53,999 and determine on their own initiative 203 00:11:53,999 --> 00:11:57,792 what constituted a threat to the state. 204 00:11:59,334 --> 00:12:03,042 (speaks in foreign language) 205 00:12:13,792 --> 00:12:16,751 (crowd cheers) 206 00:12:16,751 --> 00:12:18,751 The Nuremberg laws reflected Nazi 207 00:12:18,751 --> 00:12:21,083 preoccupation with racial purity, 208 00:12:21,083 --> 00:12:23,334 an idea concocted from vague elements 209 00:12:23,334 --> 00:12:25,876 of religion, citizenship and heredity. 210 00:12:27,083 --> 00:12:30,501 Since the laws defined Jews as racially impure, 211 00:12:30,501 --> 00:12:33,000 marriage between Jews and non-Jews would defile 212 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,834 the race and was now prohibited. 213 00:12:36,375 --> 00:12:39,042 Resourceful judges found other applications 214 00:12:39,042 --> 00:12:41,999 for the Nuremberg laws, by arguing for example 215 00:12:41,999 --> 00:12:44,459 that because Jews were no longer considered full 216 00:12:44,459 --> 00:12:48,000 human beings, they did not qualify for legal rights. 217 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,626 In effect, Jews and other minorities underwent their civil 218 00:12:51,626 --> 00:12:54,792 death long before millions met their physical death 219 00:12:54,792 --> 00:12:56,125 in the camps. 220 00:12:56,125 --> 00:12:58,999 (dramatic music) 221 00:13:37,999 --> 00:13:39,999 - I could no longer afford to live 222 00:13:39,999 --> 00:13:42,751 in the beautiful house that had been my family's 223 00:13:42,751 --> 00:13:44,584 home for 28 years. 224 00:13:45,709 --> 00:13:48,999 Our dear friends the Hertzfelders had an apartment 225 00:13:48,999 --> 00:13:52,417 available on the second floor of their house. 226 00:13:52,417 --> 00:13:54,626 I arranged to move in with them, 227 00:13:54,626 --> 00:13:58,042 and began the painful process of selling my home. 228 00:13:58,042 --> 00:14:01,459 (somber music) 229 00:14:01,459 --> 00:14:03,959 (speaks in foreign language) 230 00:14:03,959 --> 00:14:05,751 (dramatic music) 231 00:14:05,751 --> 00:14:08,250 (metal clangs) 232 00:14:16,626 --> 00:14:18,417 The Hertzfelders and I had been 233 00:14:18,417 --> 00:14:20,751 listening to the radio before retiring. 234 00:14:20,751 --> 00:14:24,918 Around four a.m. on November 10th, 1938, 235 00:14:24,918 --> 00:14:27,667 I was awakened by loud voices. 236 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:31,876 Five SA men yelled, "Police, open up!" 237 00:14:31,876 --> 00:14:35,876 And then declared that Hertzfelder and I were under arrest. 238 00:14:37,501 --> 00:14:40,042 When we arrived at our local police station, 239 00:14:40,042 --> 00:14:42,459 something surprising happened. 240 00:14:42,459 --> 00:14:47,417 The officer on duty was someone I had known for a long time. 241 00:14:47,417 --> 00:14:50,999 He told the SA men there's been a mistake. 242 00:14:50,999 --> 00:14:54,667 Then to us he said you are free to go. 243 00:14:54,667 --> 00:14:55,751 (somber music) 244 00:14:55,751 --> 00:14:58,542 We walked home, and saw the Gestapo 245 00:14:58,542 --> 00:15:00,209 busying themselves in other homes. 246 00:15:01,751 --> 00:15:03,042 (somber music) 247 00:15:03,042 --> 00:15:05,792 That same evening, thousands of Jewish men, 248 00:15:05,792 --> 00:15:09,417 in particular, nearly all the lawyers and physicians 249 00:15:09,417 --> 00:15:12,834 and former judges, prosecutors across Germany, 250 00:15:12,834 --> 00:15:17,042 were arrested and dragged off to concentration camps. 251 00:15:17,042 --> 00:15:19,792 (somber music) 252 00:15:25,792 --> 00:15:28,000 - I had an uncle who was Jewish, of course, 253 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,250 and he was arrested in 1938, 254 00:15:33,751 --> 00:15:36,626 during the sort of, you know, the Kristallnacht, 255 00:15:36,626 --> 00:15:38,999 when all Jews were arrested. 256 00:15:38,999 --> 00:15:41,999 He was beaten up, he was sent to a concentration camp, 257 00:15:41,999 --> 00:15:44,501 to Buchenwald, he was taken by bus. 258 00:15:44,501 --> 00:15:49,334 And during the drive, they said, they see no reason 259 00:15:49,334 --> 00:15:51,375 why we should pay for you Jewish pigs 260 00:15:51,375 --> 00:15:54,125 for your journey to the concentration camp. 261 00:15:54,125 --> 00:15:57,042 So you have to pay for that, all right, so he did. 262 00:15:57,042 --> 00:16:01,918 A few days later, my aunt was summoned to the Gestapo. 263 00:16:01,918 --> 00:16:04,250 She came, she wanted to know, what happened to her husband. 264 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:06,999 So they said, you know, your husband 265 00:16:06,999 --> 00:16:11,999 went to a work camp, 266 00:16:11,999 --> 00:16:13,083 and he went by bus, 267 00:16:13,083 --> 00:16:14,999 and of course he had to pay for that. 268 00:16:14,999 --> 00:16:18,918 But he paid 20 marks, and the journey costs 269 00:16:18,918 --> 00:16:20,792 only 18 marks 80. 270 00:16:20,792 --> 00:16:24,083 So the one mark 20 we want to return to you. 271 00:16:24,083 --> 00:16:27,375 I mean we feel that it's only right and proper 272 00:16:27,375 --> 00:16:30,042 and legal that we have to return that to you. 273 00:16:30,042 --> 00:16:32,167 I mean, the whole thing, taking you there 274 00:16:32,167 --> 00:16:35,125 altogether, beating him up, threatening him, 275 00:16:35,125 --> 00:16:39,292 torturing him, and then he has to pay for the journey. 276 00:16:39,292 --> 00:16:41,876 And then to return the one mark 20. 277 00:16:41,876 --> 00:16:43,999 And that was in the name of the law. 278 00:16:43,999 --> 00:16:47,042 - And then you pass another law, saying you will please 279 00:16:47,042 --> 00:16:51,876 come together in the market square for being resettled. 280 00:16:51,876 --> 00:16:53,751 You never used the word murdered. 281 00:16:53,751 --> 00:16:56,209 And so they show up, and they get 282 00:16:56,209 --> 00:16:58,125 on the train to be resettled. 283 00:16:58,125 --> 00:17:00,459 And then, in accordance with the law, 284 00:17:00,459 --> 00:17:02,250 you don't want to waste their clothing. 285 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:04,999 You have to take it off and then pile it up, 286 00:17:04,999 --> 00:17:08,999 and you can use it for distribution to the poor non-Jews. 287 00:17:08,999 --> 00:17:11,876 And then of course no use wasting their hair, 288 00:17:11,876 --> 00:17:14,999 so you cut that off and use it for mattress stuffing. 289 00:17:14,999 --> 00:17:17,459 And of course, if they have gold crowns in their mouth, 290 00:17:17,459 --> 00:17:18,999 your not gonna throw away gold, 291 00:17:18,999 --> 00:17:21,876 so you rip it out of their mouth with pliers. 292 00:17:21,876 --> 00:17:23,959 You get other Jews to do the job, 293 00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:26,292 become members of what they called 294 00:17:26,292 --> 00:17:27,918 the (speaking in foreign language) the death commandos. 295 00:17:27,918 --> 00:17:29,918 Drag the body to the crematorium 296 00:17:29,918 --> 00:17:31,876 and put it on the fire to burn. 297 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:32,999 And then the ashes, 298 00:17:36,083 --> 00:17:38,000 (man crying) 299 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,250 I'm sorry. 300 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:40,334 (man crying) 301 00:17:40,334 --> 00:17:43,000 Use the ashes for fertilizer in the fields. 302 00:17:44,584 --> 00:17:46,918 These are flashbacks that I get, 303 00:17:46,918 --> 00:17:48,125 because I've seen all that. 304 00:17:50,167 --> 00:17:52,959 And it's a very efficient way, legally 305 00:17:52,959 --> 00:17:57,876 to eliminate a whole human body 306 00:17:57,876 --> 00:18:00,167 and the whole body politic. 307 00:18:00,167 --> 00:18:03,667 - The next day, I suddenly received a call. 308 00:18:03,667 --> 00:18:06,709 So, you are not in Dachau yet? 309 00:18:06,709 --> 00:18:09,042 You are instructed to come to police headquarters 310 00:18:09,042 --> 00:18:10,834 between four and five p.m. 311 00:18:13,999 --> 00:18:14,792 (somber music) 312 00:18:14,792 --> 00:18:16,999 The Hertzfelders urged me to leave Germany. 313 00:18:17,834 --> 00:18:20,209 I said goodbye to my old friends. 314 00:18:20,209 --> 00:18:23,083 I took a taxi to the train station. 315 00:18:23,083 --> 00:18:25,999 It is hard to believe of all my friends 316 00:18:25,999 --> 00:18:29,000 and acquaintances in Munich, I am the only one 317 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,999 who was lucky enough to be able to leave the country. 318 00:18:34,292 --> 00:18:38,000 Can anyone understand that I am sometimes ashamed 319 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,751 to have been so favored by fate? 320 00:18:39,751 --> 00:18:42,209 (somber music) 321 00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:48,125 (gunshots fire) 322 00:18:52,459 --> 00:18:55,584 (jet engines whoosh) 323 00:18:58,250 --> 00:19:00,584 - With the official declaration of war, 324 00:19:00,584 --> 00:19:02,792 Nazi lawmakers moved into high gear, 325 00:19:02,792 --> 00:19:04,999 as thousands of so-called enemies of the Reich 326 00:19:04,999 --> 00:19:07,959 were arrested and tried in Hitler's courts. 327 00:19:07,959 --> 00:19:12,000 By 1939, roughly 60% of all law school professors 328 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,751 were Nazi appointees engaged in training 329 00:19:14,751 --> 00:19:16,876 a new generation of lawmakers. 330 00:19:16,876 --> 00:19:20,751 Young zealots raised and educated under Nazi rule. 331 00:19:20,751 --> 00:19:24,000 And if some of this new generation harbored misgivings, 332 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,667 hardly any ever dared question the Nazi 333 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,501 distortion of the rule of law. 334 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:33,501 - The Germans saw themselves as being in danger. 335 00:19:35,999 --> 00:19:39,999 In their midst, from outside and so they were very willing 336 00:19:39,999 --> 00:19:43,083 when the Nazis came along to tighten their laws, 337 00:19:43,083 --> 00:19:45,375 and say we need more national security. 338 00:19:45,375 --> 00:19:48,125 But at that point, Hitler's Germany is 339 00:19:48,125 --> 00:19:50,626 the great example of then all civil rights 340 00:19:50,626 --> 00:19:52,999 being swept away for certain individuals. 341 00:19:52,999 --> 00:19:55,792 (crowd chanting) 342 00:19:57,334 --> 00:20:01,042 (speaks in foreign language) 343 00:20:04,999 --> 00:20:08,209 - If you want to read a textbook appraisal 344 00:20:08,209 --> 00:20:10,959 of how to undermine the rule of law, 345 00:20:10,959 --> 00:20:12,959 read some of Goering's writings, 346 00:20:12,959 --> 00:20:16,125 where he talked about first terrifying a people 347 00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:18,751 and then you can do almost anything you want with them, 348 00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:21,999 including forcing them to go to war. 349 00:20:23,209 --> 00:20:26,083 - I think it was really hard during that time 350 00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:28,667 to get into a resistance. 351 00:20:28,667 --> 00:20:32,417 To get into a stable sort of resistant attitude 352 00:20:32,417 --> 00:20:36,501 towards the political aims and goals 353 00:20:36,501 --> 00:20:39,000 that you were confronted 354 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,999 with. 355 00:20:39,999 --> 00:20:43,083 Because the masses of the people, they just went with it. 356 00:20:43,083 --> 00:20:46,292 (crowd cheering) 357 00:20:46,292 --> 00:20:49,083 - In 1934, Dr. Lothar Kreyssig, 358 00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:51,083 a judge on the court in Brandenburg, 359 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:53,709 objected to Hitler's euthanasia program, 360 00:20:53,709 --> 00:20:56,584 and even attempted to prosecute Nazi officers 361 00:20:56,584 --> 00:20:59,334 for sending hospital patients to their death. 362 00:20:59,334 --> 00:21:01,292 Because he had been a respected citizen, 363 00:21:01,292 --> 00:21:04,667 the courts encouraged him to retire ahead of schedule. 364 00:21:04,667 --> 00:21:06,999 But such leniency was extremely rare. 365 00:21:08,999 --> 00:21:11,000 Dr Johan von Donyanyi 366 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,626 at 36 the youngest member 367 00:21:12,626 --> 00:21:14,999 of the German Supreme Court, also spoke 368 00:21:14,999 --> 00:21:17,501 out against the Nazi betrayal of justice. 369 00:21:17,501 --> 00:21:19,918 He was arrested and later executed 370 00:21:19,918 --> 00:21:21,959 in a concentration camp, Sachsenhausen. 371 00:21:23,999 --> 00:21:26,999 The overwhelming majority of Germany's legal community 372 00:21:26,999 --> 00:21:29,375 cooperated with the Nazi regime. 373 00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:32,584 Postwar statistics estimate that by 1945, 374 00:21:32,584 --> 00:21:34,792 the number of death sentences handed 375 00:21:34,792 --> 00:21:37,042 down by Germany's various courts 376 00:21:37,042 --> 00:21:39,042 had exceeded 50,000 377 00:21:39,042 --> 00:21:41,459 of which more than 80% were carried out. 378 00:21:41,459 --> 00:21:43,999 (somber music) 379 00:21:43,999 --> 00:21:46,417 Yet another blow to the rule of law took place 380 00:21:46,417 --> 00:21:48,417 in September 1942, 381 00:21:48,417 --> 00:21:50,083 when the Reich Ministry of Justice 382 00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:53,542 empowered the SS to change any court decision 383 00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:55,292 deemed overly lenient. 384 00:21:55,292 --> 00:21:56,083 (somber music) 385 00:21:56,083 --> 00:21:58,459 Thousands of prisoners were delivered to the SS 386 00:21:58,459 --> 00:22:00,876 at that time for summary execution. 387 00:22:00,876 --> 00:22:03,334 (somber music) 388 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,999 (birds twittering) 389 00:22:12,626 --> 00:22:16,792 On January 20th 1942, a meeting took place 390 00:22:16,792 --> 00:22:18,667 in Wannsee, outside Berlin. 391 00:22:20,584 --> 00:22:23,125 Among those present were Reinhard Heydrich, 392 00:22:23,125 --> 00:22:25,999 Head of the Reich Security main office, 393 00:22:25,999 --> 00:22:27,959 Adolf Eichmann, Heydrich's expert 394 00:22:27,959 --> 00:22:32,042 for deportations, and 13 other high-ranking 395 00:22:32,042 --> 00:22:33,999 representatives of the Nazi party. 396 00:22:35,999 --> 00:22:37,626 Minutes from the meeting, known 397 00:22:37,626 --> 00:22:40,999 as the Wannsee Protocol, spell out in clear terms 398 00:22:40,999 --> 00:22:43,959 plans for the deportation and murder 399 00:22:43,959 --> 00:22:47,751 of all European Jews, and the active participation 400 00:22:47,751 --> 00:22:50,959 of Germany's public administration in the genocide. 401 00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:55,250 More than half the participants in Wannsee were lawyers. 402 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:58,167 - It was this fireplace, where Eichmann 403 00:22:58,167 --> 00:23:00,375 and Heydrich toasted with cognac 404 00:23:00,375 --> 00:23:02,000 and their main toast was the fact 405 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,626 that it was so easy for them to get all 406 00:23:05,626 --> 00:23:07,918 of the people and all the participants 407 00:23:07,918 --> 00:23:11,000 around that table to agree to the extermination 408 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,999 of 12 million Jews and Heydrich made mention 409 00:23:14,999 --> 00:23:18,250 of the fact that he was particularly surprised 410 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:21,334 that the lawyers and judges sitting 411 00:23:21,334 --> 00:23:24,999 around that table went along with all the rest. 412 00:23:25,999 --> 00:23:27,918 - The question that really begs itself 413 00:23:27,918 --> 00:23:31,584 when you hear this description 414 00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:35,167 of what happened to the law and to the legal personnel 415 00:23:35,167 --> 00:23:39,459 in Nazi Germany is how could highly-educated individuals, 416 00:23:39,459 --> 00:23:44,125 whose job was to use the law to protect people, 417 00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:48,626 so willingly become part of this mechanism 418 00:23:48,626 --> 00:23:50,999 of the murder of 6 million Jews 419 00:23:50,999 --> 00:23:53,292 and other persecuted minorities. 420 00:23:53,292 --> 00:23:58,209 And the answer to that is not a legal answer. 421 00:23:58,209 --> 00:24:01,501 It's not an answer that a lawyer can give 422 00:24:01,501 --> 00:24:03,918 or a law professor can give. 423 00:24:03,918 --> 00:24:05,709 It's a question that has to be asked 424 00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:09,250 of psychologists, sociologists. 425 00:24:09,250 --> 00:24:12,918 As I've looked at the individual perpetrators 426 00:24:12,918 --> 00:24:15,167 and what they did and studied them in detail, 427 00:24:15,167 --> 00:24:17,834 I read the transcripts of their interrogations, 428 00:24:17,834 --> 00:24:21,417 their testimony and so forth, I've gotta tell you, 429 00:24:21,417 --> 00:24:24,999 I find familiar human qualities. 430 00:24:24,999 --> 00:24:29,999 To a degree, these aren't completely unfamiliar monsters. 431 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,918 There are things in Albert Speer, or Hjalmar Schacht 432 00:24:33,918 --> 00:24:38,918 or even Hermann Goering that are like us. 433 00:24:39,375 --> 00:24:43,918 - Maybe one characteristic of Germans is 434 00:24:43,918 --> 00:24:48,918 that they have a tendency to lean to perfectionism. 435 00:24:49,167 --> 00:24:51,292 They want to be perfect. 436 00:24:53,167 --> 00:24:58,167 So they wanna have also a perfect legal system, 437 00:24:59,709 --> 00:25:02,459 and this is where it got horribly wrong 438 00:25:02,459 --> 00:25:06,792 when the law turned out to be utterly unjust. 439 00:25:06,792 --> 00:25:07,626 There are probably a lot 440 00:25:07,626 --> 00:25:09,999 of laws in the United States 441 00:25:09,999 --> 00:25:11,834 that you might think are stupid, 442 00:25:11,834 --> 00:25:13,542 that you might think are unwise, 443 00:25:13,542 --> 00:25:15,501 that you might even think are immoral. 444 00:25:15,501 --> 00:25:16,999 Let's say you're a judge. 445 00:25:16,999 --> 00:25:18,999 Is it incumbent upon you 446 00:25:18,999 --> 00:25:23,999 to insert your own personal conscience in deciding 447 00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:26,334 what laws you should be upholding 448 00:25:26,334 --> 00:25:27,999 and what laws you're gonna decide, 449 00:25:27,999 --> 00:25:29,751 well, you know, I think that law's too stupid 450 00:25:29,751 --> 00:25:31,584 to uphold, so therefore I'm not going 451 00:25:31,584 --> 00:25:32,999 to uphold it. 452 00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:34,626 We'd be very uncomfortable with judges 453 00:25:34,626 --> 00:25:36,501 who engage in that kind of practice. 454 00:25:36,501 --> 00:25:39,999 Take the case of a concentration camp guard 455 00:25:39,999 --> 00:25:42,999 who was ordered to kill Jews in the camp, 456 00:25:42,999 --> 00:25:44,584 who eventually might have acted 457 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:47,876 within the parameters of positive law 458 00:25:47,876 --> 00:25:48,876 as it stood at the time 459 00:25:48,876 --> 00:25:51,042 in let's say 1943 or 1944. 460 00:25:53,501 --> 00:25:57,167 Would that norm of existing law 461 00:25:57,167 --> 00:25:59,125 as adopted by the Fuhrer, as adopted 462 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:02,626 by the German Reichstag in '38, '39, 463 00:26:02,626 --> 00:26:03,999 would that be a valid law?. 464 00:26:03,999 --> 00:26:08,751 Or would it not so clearly contradict the most fundamental 465 00:26:08,751 --> 00:26:10,459 values that we would set it 466 00:26:10,459 --> 00:26:13,999 aside by saying there are rules out there, 467 00:26:13,999 --> 00:26:18,417 which predate every given normative system, right? 468 00:26:18,417 --> 00:26:20,167 Which would therefore prevail. 469 00:26:20,167 --> 00:26:21,999 - Our Declaration of Independence 470 00:26:21,999 --> 00:26:24,626 talks about certain inalienable rights 471 00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:26,334 and among those rights are life, liberty 472 00:26:26,334 --> 00:26:28,000 and the pursuit of happiness. 473 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,542 That's natural law. 474 00:26:29,542 --> 00:26:31,999 I mean, that's not written any place. 475 00:26:31,999 --> 00:26:34,459 The Founding Fathers all believed 476 00:26:34,459 --> 00:26:35,751 that there were certain rights 477 00:26:35,751 --> 00:26:38,292 that people just had as human beings 478 00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:39,334 that they were entitled 479 00:26:39,334 --> 00:26:43,000 to, and I think those sort of principles, 480 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,792 which are principles of morality, 481 00:26:44,792 --> 00:26:47,125 they can be stated other ways. 482 00:26:47,125 --> 00:26:48,167 Some people say, well these are rights 483 00:26:48,167 --> 00:26:50,626 that come from God and other people say 484 00:26:50,626 --> 00:26:53,167 they're just inherent from the fact 485 00:26:53,167 --> 00:26:54,459 that you're a human being. 486 00:26:54,459 --> 00:26:55,959 - It's really about this whole question 487 00:26:55,959 --> 00:26:57,250 of conscience and this whole question 488 00:26:57,250 --> 00:26:59,000 of the status of law. 489 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,292 What is the status of law in an unjust regime? 490 00:27:03,876 --> 00:27:06,999 (church bells ringing) 491 00:27:08,626 --> 00:27:11,125 - War in Europe has ended. 492 00:27:11,125 --> 00:27:12,250 (trumpets playing) 493 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:13,999 The hour for which the world has spent six years waiting 494 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:15,083 has come. 495 00:27:15,083 --> 00:27:17,167 Unconditionally and finally, 496 00:27:17,167 --> 00:27:18,999 our German enemy has surrendered 497 00:27:18,999 --> 00:27:21,209 to Russia, Britain and her Commonwealth, 498 00:27:21,209 --> 00:27:23,999 to America, to the millions who fought 499 00:27:23,999 --> 00:27:25,626 with their hearts and souls. 500 00:27:25,626 --> 00:27:28,709 (brass band playing) 501 00:27:30,959 --> 00:27:32,792 (dramatic music) 502 00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:36,167 (speaks foreign language) 503 00:27:41,167 --> 00:27:44,876 (dramatic music) 504 00:27:44,876 --> 00:27:48,250 (speaks foreign language) 505 00:27:49,083 --> 00:27:50,918 (dramatic music) 506 00:27:50,918 --> 00:27:55,584 The privilege of opening the first trial in history 507 00:27:56,999 --> 00:27:59,626 for crimes against the peace of the world 508 00:28:01,459 --> 00:28:03,918 imposes a grave responsibility. 509 00:28:05,876 --> 00:28:08,834 The wrongs which we seek to condemn 510 00:28:08,834 --> 00:28:13,834 and punish have been so calculated, 511 00:28:13,876 --> 00:28:16,751 so malignant and so devastating 512 00:28:18,626 --> 00:28:22,375 that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored. 513 00:28:24,292 --> 00:28:28,999 Because it cannot survive their being repeated. 514 00:28:30,999 --> 00:28:34,167 - In March 1947, the Justice Trial took place 515 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:35,501 at Nuremberg. 516 00:28:35,501 --> 00:28:37,375 It was one of 11 subsequent trials 517 00:28:37,375 --> 00:28:39,709 that took place following the main Nuremberg trial 518 00:28:39,709 --> 00:28:42,042 of December 1945. 519 00:28:42,042 --> 00:28:44,626 The Justice Trial included 16 defendants 520 00:28:44,626 --> 00:28:45,417 who had been members 521 00:28:45,417 --> 00:28:46,999 of the Reich Ministry of Justice, 522 00:28:46,999 --> 00:28:48,375 and its various courts. 523 00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:51,000 The trial raised the issue 524 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,417 of what responsibility judges have 525 00:28:53,417 --> 00:28:58,375 for enforcing grossly unjust but arguably binding laws. 526 00:29:00,584 --> 00:29:01,876 The charge was 527 00:29:02,999 --> 00:29:05,626 judicial murder and other atrocities committed 528 00:29:05,626 --> 00:29:06,999 by destroying law 529 00:29:06,999 --> 00:29:08,459 and justice in Germany, 530 00:29:08,459 --> 00:29:10,709 and by then utilizing the empty forms 531 00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:13,375 of legal process for persecution, 532 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:16,459 enslavement and extermination on a vast scale. 533 00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:21,125 In their own defense, the accused claimed they had stayed 534 00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:23,626 to prevent the worst from happening 535 00:29:23,626 --> 00:29:26,626 but after hearing 138 witnesses, 536 00:29:26,626 --> 00:29:28,709 and introducing more than 2,000 pieces 537 00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:31,918 of evidence, the Nuremberg court concluded 538 00:29:31,918 --> 00:29:34,959 that the defendants had consciously participated 539 00:29:34,959 --> 00:29:37,999 in a nationwide government-organized system 540 00:29:37,999 --> 00:29:40,959 of cruelty and injustice, in violation 541 00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:43,000 of the laws of war and of humanity. 542 00:29:43,999 --> 00:29:46,417 10 of the 16 defendants in the Justice Trial 543 00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:48,250 were found guilty as charged. 544 00:29:48,250 --> 00:29:50,751 Four were sentenced to life imprisonment. 545 00:29:50,751 --> 00:29:52,792 Six were sentenced to terms ranging 546 00:29:52,792 --> 00:29:54,834 from five to 10 years. 547 00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:57,250 Six were acquitted for lack of evidence. 548 00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,250 One died before verdict. 549 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:01,667 One was deemed a mistrial due to illness. 550 00:30:02,876 --> 00:30:05,334 The court ruled that the dagger 551 00:30:05,334 --> 00:30:06,626 of the assassin was concealed 552 00:30:06,626 --> 00:30:08,999 beneath the robe of the jurist. 553 00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:13,999 - I don't know whether or not this is a German phenomenon. 554 00:30:13,999 --> 00:30:15,250 It took place in Germany 555 00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:20,042 and obviously Germans could be converted 556 00:30:20,042 --> 00:30:22,292 to this perverted idea. 557 00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:24,999 - This is not a German phenomenon. 558 00:30:24,999 --> 00:30:26,999 This phenomenon exists in other parts 559 00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:28,250 of the world. 560 00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:29,417 There are people who are ready 561 00:30:29,417 --> 00:30:33,083 to kill and be killed for their particular ideals, 562 00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,999 because they have never learned tolerance. 563 00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:36,542 They have never learned compassion. 564 00:30:36,542 --> 00:30:37,999 They have been taught to hate. 565 00:30:37,999 --> 00:30:40,751 - A big issue is, who was the perpetrator? 566 00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:43,999 And there are two polar positions. 567 00:30:43,999 --> 00:30:46,083 Both of which are wrong, in my view. 568 00:30:46,083 --> 00:30:49,709 One is the idea that the single madman, 569 00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:52,501 Adolf Hitler, mesmerized the country, 570 00:30:52,501 --> 00:30:57,501 and by his evil decrees perpetrated all of it. 571 00:30:58,417 --> 00:30:59,626 Individually. 572 00:30:59,626 --> 00:31:01,999 A one-guy crime, in a sense. 573 00:31:01,999 --> 00:31:05,542 The other view is that the entire German population 574 00:31:05,542 --> 00:31:09,584 is guilty as a matter of genetics, 575 00:31:09,584 --> 00:31:11,792 and physical presence and citizenship 576 00:31:11,792 --> 00:31:13,876 The German people as a whole did it. 577 00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,125 The beginning of wisdom, it seems to me, 578 00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:21,999 is to look at Nuremberg in its context. 579 00:31:21,999 --> 00:31:26,751 And it is a step and a very, very important step 580 00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:29,501 on the road to the international rule of law. 581 00:31:29,501 --> 00:31:31,792 - Nuremberg was a seed from which all 582 00:31:31,792 --> 00:31:33,999 of these international treaties, 583 00:31:33,999 --> 00:31:36,999 particularly those dealing with Human Rights emerged. 584 00:31:36,999 --> 00:31:37,959 - A judge in Nazi Germany could not have pointed 585 00:31:37,959 --> 00:31:42,959 to any principle of international law 586 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:45,209 or international covenants. 587 00:31:45,209 --> 00:31:47,417 Today, we have that entire structure, 588 00:31:47,417 --> 00:31:49,375 - And we can't consider our nation 589 00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:52,667 as being isolated from the world 590 00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:54,999 and running its own affairs exclusively. 591 00:31:54,999 --> 00:31:56,375 It cannot be anymore. 592 00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:59,999 We have to live in this world community. 593 00:31:59,999 --> 00:32:04,584 No nation can be sufficient unto itself any longer. 594 00:32:04,584 --> 00:32:08,626 - Perhaps given the time and the circumstances and history 595 00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:10,083 of Germany at that time, 596 00:32:10,083 --> 00:32:13,542 it made them more vulnerable than most nations. 597 00:32:13,542 --> 00:32:17,999 But even in this country you can track our history, 598 00:32:17,999 --> 00:32:20,209 going back to the Alien and Sedition laws 599 00:32:20,209 --> 00:32:23,709 and the Palmer's Raids and the McCarthy era. 600 00:32:23,709 --> 00:32:28,709 Internment of the Japanese during World War Two. 601 00:32:28,959 --> 00:32:33,959 We have done things, which in retrospect seem terrible. 602 00:32:33,999 --> 00:32:38,125 - If we look at the United States in the 21st century, 603 00:32:38,125 --> 00:32:43,125 after 9/11, then we see that we have to deal with terrorism. 604 00:32:43,876 --> 00:32:45,000 It's a real problem. 605 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,999 And the law is one way to approach this, 606 00:32:48,999 --> 00:32:50,042 It has to be used for that. 607 00:32:50,042 --> 00:32:52,999 We have to also recognize the danger 608 00:32:52,999 --> 00:32:55,999 that Nazi Germany shows to us 609 00:32:55,999 --> 00:32:58,334 of going too far the other way. 610 00:32:58,334 --> 00:33:01,999 Because democracy is very precarious. 611 00:33:01,999 --> 00:33:04,999 And Americans living in democracy, 612 00:33:04,999 --> 00:33:06,626 we think it's always with us, 613 00:33:06,626 --> 00:33:09,709 that there's no way we can be a country 614 00:33:09,709 --> 00:33:10,792 without civil rights 615 00:33:10,792 --> 00:33:13,250 and Nazi Germany shows otherwise. 616 00:33:18,959 --> 00:33:21,667 (mournful music) 617 00:33:32,542 --> 00:33:35,626 - In this program, we examined the fragile nature 618 00:33:35,626 --> 00:33:38,125 of democracy, and saw 619 00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:42,918 how even a constitutionally governed nation could succumb 620 00:33:42,918 --> 00:33:44,918 to the rhetoric of despots. 621 00:33:44,918 --> 00:33:46,501 Great strides have been made 622 00:33:46,501 --> 00:33:48,542 in the past 60 years with courts 623 00:33:48,542 --> 00:33:51,375 towards establishing an international rule of law. 624 00:33:52,375 --> 00:33:56,167 Yet without vigilance on the part of our lawyers and judges, 625 00:33:56,167 --> 00:33:58,250 the men and women who are charged 626 00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:01,999 with the task of safeguarding the rule of law, 627 00:34:01,999 --> 00:34:06,042 any nation is vulnerable to fear and propaganda. 628 00:34:06,042 --> 00:34:08,542 Thank you for your attention. 629 00:34:08,542 --> 00:34:11,000 (somber music) 46141

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