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(speaks in foreign language)
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- They had the strong
conviction that this was right,
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and they were here at the right place,
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celebrating this party, and
celebrating these politics.
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- I mean, I as a child grew up in Germany.
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And I saw what happened
sometimes, you know,
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when they had these mass rallies.
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And when I saw Hitler's speeches.
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- 10,000 German lawyers
and judges took an oath
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of personal loyalty to the Fuhrer.
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- In Nazi arguments, the law
is the will of the Fuhrer.
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- Because he brings the
hope, the glory, the pride.
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- And then it all went horribly wrong.
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(speaks in foreign language)
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(speaks in foreign language)
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(crowd cheering)
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- In 1933, less than a month
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after being elected Chancellor,
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Adolf Hitler used the pretext of a fire
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in the Reichstag building to
suspend constitutional law.
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And place unlimited judicial authority
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in the hands of the government.
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- It was a cataclysmic event.
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I mean, think in terms
of our Capitol burning
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down.
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The Reichstag was their Congress.
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And the Reichstag couldn't meet.
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And when the Reichstag is not in session,
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the Chancellor has emergency powers.
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So here you have Adolf Hitler given these
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enormous emergency powers
to do almost anything
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that would be contrary
to a democratic society.
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- The German legal system
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in 1933 was a very
sophisticated legal system.
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This was not primitive law.
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It was really seen, German legal science,
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was really seen as the height
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of what the law was supposed to be
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about.
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- After the burning of the Reichstag,
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which was more than a symbolic act
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in destroying the parliament,
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10,000 lawyers took an oath.
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Not surprising, I've
taken an oath as a lawyer
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to defend the Constitution
of the United States.
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But 10,000 German lawyers and judges
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took an oath of personal
loyalty to the Fuhrer,
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which is the antithesis
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of what we think of as the rule of law.
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- So the Nazis coming to power realized
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that the law was a very
powerful instrument.
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In order to get the
German public to follow
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and to acquiesce in those early steps.
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- The principal procedure
governing German law
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during the Third Reich
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was something called the Fuhrerprinzip.
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And the idea was that Hitler
had absolute discretion
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to make any ruling whatsoever
in the interest of the state.
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And that there were lesser
or subordinate Fuhrers
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who also followed the Fuhrerprinzip,
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and also themselves had wide discretion,
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limited only by what the Fuhrer
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above them had told them to do.
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- Over the next 12 years,
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the Nazi party continued its subversion
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of constitutional safeguards
until Germany's courts
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amounted to nothing more than tools
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for the implementation
of National Socialism.
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Early in their subversion
of law, Nazi officials
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established special
courts to deal with anyone
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the party deemed an enemy of the Reich.
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In these courts, there was
no pre-trial investigation.
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Judges determined
arbitrarily what evidence
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to consider, and there
was no right of appeal.
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- Now, this is the time when
the judiciary could have
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and should have stood up
and said, wait a moment
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we have rules and laws here,
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this is our nation that
is being corrupted.
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And the Chancellor said,
this is only temporary
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because of the terror that's
been visited upon Germany.
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- Once he
succeeded in concentrating
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legal authority into his own hands,
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Hitler then had the tools
for eliminating all those
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he deemed to be enemies of the Reich.
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Primary among these were
Jews and other minorities.
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Before the Nazi era,
Jewish lawyers constituted
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a large percentage of
Germany's legal community.
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With Hitler's rise to power, Jews were
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no longer allowed to practice law.
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Eventually most lost their lives as well.
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One who survived, Max Friedlaender,
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was a distinguished legal ethicist.
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After his escape from
Germany, he wrote memoirs
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that offer a vivid
portrait of life before,
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during and after the Nazi era.
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- On January 30th, 1933,
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I was in Berlin
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for a meeting of the Board of Directors
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of the German Bar Association
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when a telephone call informed us
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that Adolf Hitler had become Chancellor.
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But it was only later, after
the Nazis had swept aside
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all legal barriers to
their reign of terror,
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that we would come to understand
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the full implications of this event.
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The German Bar Association
soon met its final fate.
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All votes on resolutions were held
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under the supervision of the SA,
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and I would not have advised anyone
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to cast a dissenting vote.
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In a similar manner, the
regional Bar Associations
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and the Bavarian Lawyers'
Association disappeared.
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On April 7th, 1933, the
German government enacted
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a law forbidding attorneys
of non-Aryan descent
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from representing Aryan clients.
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If anyone dared do so,
their names were published
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in the press, their
businesses were boycotted,
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and soon it even became
grounds for divorce.
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- When the Nazis first came to power,
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they ended up promulgating
a number of laws
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that incrementally deprived Jews
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and other persecuted
minorities of civil rights.
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These incremental steps that we're talking
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about that results in the Final Solution
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were all legal steps.
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And you can trace this.
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You can trace the
Holocaust as a legal event.
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- Genocide, the extermination
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of whole categories of human beings,
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was a foremost instrument
of the Nazi doctrine.
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We shall show that these
deeds of men in uniform
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were the methodical
execution of long-range plans
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to destroy ethnic, national
political and religious groups
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which stood condemned in the Nazi mind.
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- If you begin with the assumption
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that you are a member of a superior race,
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and that others who have a different color
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or a different religion,
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or a different ideology
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are inferior, then it begins to follow
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that the superior one should
dominate the inferior one,
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or eventually eliminate him as well.
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- Doctrines of
so-called criminal types
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were implemented that
allowed Hitler's courts
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the further liberty of
condemning enemies of the state
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not based on what they had done,
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but on the sole basis of who they were.
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- The enemy, which we regard this enemy,
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has to be pursued, not because
he has done something wrong
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in our eyes, in the eyes
of the state leadership,
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but because he is different.
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It was a principle of the
National Socialist Constitution
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that race is a very, very important point,
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and that everybody has to be
treated according to his race.
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This was official state doctrine.
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You couldn't act openly
against the state doctrine.
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- Perhaps future
generations will read
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about the books that were
burned, forbidden, boycotted,
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often not even for their content,
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but because of their author's race.
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I was leafing through a recent
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Nazi commentary on laws
governing attorneys.
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And I found sentences lifted verbatim
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from one of my own books.
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Roland Friesler,
Undersecretary in the Prussian
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Ministry of Justice, wrote a review.
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He said, "For decades, the
German Bar had to accept
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"the shameful fact that the law governing
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"its conduct was commented on by Jews.
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"Now at last a German
commentary has appeared."
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It was a truly new way of fighting
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Jewish intellectual property.
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You just brand it as
inferior, then copy it,
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and now praise it as an Aryan creation.
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- In 1934, the
People's Court was established
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to try those accused
of political offenses.
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Eventually, the court
came under the presidency
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of Roland Freisler, a Nazi
of such extreme sentiments
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that he shocked even
his fellow Nazi judges.
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Freisler was one of an echelon
of senior German jurists
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who paved the way for the betrayal
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of the rule of law in the 1930s.
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Carl Schmitt, Hitler's legal theorist,
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a wealthy and ambitious conservative
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who described the Fuhrer as
Germany's guardian of justice.
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Erwin Bumke, the man who
drafted Hitler's emergency laws.
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These and other senior
officials of Hitler's courts
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empowered police to disband organizations,
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seize assets, make arrests,
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and determine on their own initiative
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what constituted a threat to the state.
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The Nuremberg laws reflected Nazi
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preoccupation with racial purity,
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an idea concocted from vague elements
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of religion, citizenship and heredity.
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Since the laws defined
Jews as racially impure,
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marriage between Jews
and non-Jews would defile
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the race and was now prohibited.
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Resourceful judges
found other applications
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for the Nuremberg laws,
by arguing for example
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that because Jews were
no longer considered full
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human beings, they did not
qualify for legal rights.
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In effect, Jews and other
minorities underwent their civil
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death long before millions
met their physical death
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in the camps.
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- I could no longer afford to live
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in the beautiful house
that had been my family's
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home for 28 years.
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Our dear friends the
Hertzfelders had an apartment
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available on the second
floor of their house.
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I arranged to move in with them,
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and began the painful
process of selling my home.
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The Hertzfelders and I had been
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listening to the radio before retiring.
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Around four a.m. on November 10th, 1938,
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I was awakened by loud voices.
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Five SA men yelled, "Police, open up!"
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And then declared that Hertzfelder
and I were under arrest.
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When we arrived at our
local police station,
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something surprising happened.
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The officer on duty was someone
I had known for a long time.
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He told the SA men there's been a mistake.
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Then to us he said you are free to go.
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We walked home, and saw the Gestapo
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busying themselves in other homes.
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That same evening,
thousands of Jewish men,
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in particular, nearly all
the lawyers and physicians
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and former judges,
prosecutors across Germany,
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were arrested and dragged
off to concentration camps.
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- I had an uncle who
was Jewish, of course,
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and he was arrested in 1938,
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during the sort of, you
know, the Kristallnacht,
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when all Jews were arrested.
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He was beaten up, he was
sent to a concentration camp,
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to Buchenwald, he was taken by bus.
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And during the drive, they
said, they see no reason
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why we should pay for you Jewish pigs
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for your journey to
the concentration camp.
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So you have to pay for
that, all right, so he did.
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A few days later, my aunt
was summoned to the Gestapo.
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She came, she wanted to know,
what happened to her husband.
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So they said, you know, your husband
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went to a work camp,
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and he went by bus,
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and of course he had to pay for that.
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But he paid 20 marks,
and the journey costs
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only 18 marks 80.
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So the one mark 20 we
want to return to you.
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I mean we feel that it's
only right and proper
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and legal that we have
to return that to you.
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I mean, the whole thing, taking you there
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altogether, beating him
up, threatening him,
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torturing him, and then he
has to pay for the journey.
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And then to return the one mark 20.
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And that was in the name of the law.
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- And then you pass another
law, saying you will please
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come together in the market
square for being resettled.
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You never used the word murdered.
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And so they show up, and they get
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on the train to be resettled.
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And then, in accordance with the law,
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you don't want to waste their clothing.
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You have to take it off
and then pile it up,
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and you can use it for
distribution to the poor non-Jews.
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And then of course no
use wasting their hair,
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so you cut that off and use
it for mattress stuffing.
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And of course, if they have
gold crowns in their mouth,
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your not gonna throw away gold,
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so you rip it out of
their mouth with pliers.
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You get other Jews to do the job,
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become members of what they called
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the (speaking in foreign
language) the death commandos.
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Drag the body to the crematorium
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and put it on the fire to burn.
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And then the ashes,
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(man crying)
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I'm sorry.
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(man crying)
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Use the ashes for
fertilizer in the fields.
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These are flashbacks that I get,
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because I've seen all that.
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And it's a very efficient way, legally
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to eliminate a whole human body
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and the whole body politic.
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- The next day, I
suddenly received a call.
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So, you are not in Dachau yet?
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You are instructed to come
to police headquarters
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between four and five p.m.
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(somber music)
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The Hertzfelders urged
me to leave Germany.
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I said goodbye to my old friends.
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I took a taxi to the train station.
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It is hard to believe of all my friends
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and acquaintances in
Munich, I am the only one
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who was lucky enough to be
able to leave the country.
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Can anyone understand that
I am sometimes ashamed
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to have been so favored by fate?
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(somber music)
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(gunshots fire)
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(jet engines whoosh)
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- With the
official declaration of war,
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Nazi lawmakers moved into high gear,
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as thousands of so-called
enemies of the Reich
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were arrested and tried
in Hitler's courts.
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By 1939, roughly 60% of
all law school professors
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were Nazi appointees engaged in training
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a new generation of lawmakers.
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Young zealots raised and
educated under Nazi rule.
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And if some of this new
generation harbored misgivings,
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hardly any ever dared question the Nazi
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distortion of the rule of law.
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- The Germans saw themselves
as being in danger.
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In their midst, from outside
and so they were very willing
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when the Nazis came along
to tighten their laws,
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and say we need more national security.
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But at that point, Hitler's Germany is
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the great example of then all civil rights
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being swept away for certain individuals.
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(crowd chanting)
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(speaks in foreign language)
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- If you want to read a textbook appraisal
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of how to undermine the rule of law,
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read some of Goering's writings,
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where he talked about
first terrifying a people
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and then you can do almost
anything you want with them,
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including forcing them to go to war.
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- I think it was really
hard during that time
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to get into a resistance.
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To get into a stable sort
of resistant attitude
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towards the political aims and goals
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that you were confronted
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with.
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Because the masses of the
people, they just went with it.
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(crowd cheering)
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- In 1934, Dr. Lothar Kreyssig,
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a judge on the court in Brandenburg,
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objected to Hitler's euthanasia program,
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and even attempted to
prosecute Nazi officers
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for sending hospital
patients to their death.
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Because he had been a respected citizen,
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the courts encouraged him
to retire ahead of schedule.
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But such leniency was extremely rare.
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Dr Johan von Donyanyi
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at 36 the youngest member
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of the German Supreme Court, also spoke
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out against the Nazi betrayal of justice.
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He was arrested and later executed
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in a concentration camp, Sachsenhausen.
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The overwhelming majority
of Germany's legal community
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cooperated with the Nazi regime.
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Postwar statistics estimate that by 1945,
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the number of death sentences handed
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down by Germany's various courts
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had exceeded 50,000
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of which more than 80% were carried out.
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(somber music)
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Yet another blow to the
rule of law took place
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in September 1942,
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when the Reich Ministry of Justice
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empowered the SS to
change any court decision
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deemed overly lenient.
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(somber music)
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Thousands of prisoners
were delivered to the SS
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at that time for summary execution.
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(somber music)
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(birds twittering)
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On January 20th 1942, a meeting took place
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in Wannsee, outside Berlin.
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Among those present
were Reinhard Heydrich,
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Head of the Reich Security main office,
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Adolf Eichmann, Heydrich's expert
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for deportations, and
13 other high-ranking
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representatives of the Nazi party.
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Minutes from the meeting, known
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as the Wannsee Protocol,
spell out in clear terms
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plans for the deportation and murder
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of all European Jews, and
the active participation
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of Germany's public
administration in the genocide.
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More than half the participants
in Wannsee were lawyers.
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- It was this fireplace, where Eichmann
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and Heydrich toasted with cognac
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and their main toast was the fact
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that it was so easy for them to get all
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of the people and all the participants
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around that table to
agree to the extermination
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of 12 million Jews and
Heydrich made mention
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of the fact that he was
particularly surprised
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that the lawyers and judges sitting
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around that table went
along with all the rest.
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- The question that really begs itself
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when you hear this description
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of what happened to the law
and to the legal personnel
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in Nazi Germany is how could
highly-educated individuals,
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whose job was to use the law to protect people,
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so willingly become part of this mechanism
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of the murder of 6 million Jews
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and other persecuted minorities.
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And the answer to that
is not a legal answer.
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It's not an answer that a lawyer can give
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or a law professor can give.
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It's a question that has to be asked
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of psychologists, sociologists.
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As I've looked at the
individual perpetrators
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and what they did and
studied them in detail,
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I read the transcripts
of their interrogations,
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their testimony and so
forth, I've gotta tell you,
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I find familiar human qualities.
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To a degree, these aren't
completely unfamiliar monsters.
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There are things in Albert
Speer, or Hjalmar Schacht
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or even Hermann Goering that are like us.
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- Maybe one characteristic of Germans is
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that they have a tendency
to lean to perfectionism.
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They want to be perfect.
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So they wanna have also
a perfect legal system,
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and this is where it got horribly wrong
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when the law turned out
to be utterly unjust.
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There are probably a lot
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of laws in the United States
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that you might think are stupid,
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that you might think are unwise,
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that you might even think are immoral.
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Let's say you're a judge.
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Is it incumbent upon you
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to insert your own personal
conscience in deciding
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what laws you should be upholding
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and what laws you're gonna decide,
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well, you know, I think
that law's too stupid
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to uphold, so therefore I'm not going
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to uphold it.
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We'd be very uncomfortable with judges
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who engage in that kind of practice.
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Take the case of a
concentration camp guard
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who was ordered to kill Jews in the camp,
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who eventually might have acted
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within the parameters of positive law
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as it stood at the time
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in let's say 1943 or 1944.
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Would that norm of existing law
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as adopted by the Fuhrer, as adopted
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by the German Reichstag in '38, '39,
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would that be a valid law?.
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Or would it not so clearly
contradict the most fundamental
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values that we would set it
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aside by saying there are rules out there,
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which predate every given
normative system, right?
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Which would therefore prevail.
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- Our Declaration of Independence
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talks about certain inalienable rights
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and among those rights are life, liberty
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and the pursuit of happiness.
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That's natural law.
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I mean, that's not written any place.
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The Founding Fathers all believed
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that there were certain rights
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that people just had as human beings
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that they were entitled
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to, and I think those sort of principles,
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which are principles of morality,
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they can be stated other ways.
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Some people say, well these are rights
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that come from God and other people say
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they're just inherent from the fact
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that you're a human being.
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- It's really about this whole question
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of conscience and this whole question
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of the status of law.
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What is the status of
law in an unjust regime?
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(church bells ringing)
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- War in Europe has ended.
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(trumpets playing)
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The hour for which the world
has spent six years waiting
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has come.
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Unconditionally and finally,
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our German enemy has surrendered
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to Russia, Britain and her Commonwealth,
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to America, to the millions who fought
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with their hearts and souls.
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(brass band playing)
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(dramatic music)
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(speaks foreign language)
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(dramatic music)
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(speaks foreign language)
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(dramatic music)
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The privilege of opening
the first trial in history
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for crimes against the peace of the world
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imposes a grave responsibility.
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The wrongs which we seek to condemn
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and punish have been so calculated,
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so malignant and so devastating
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that civilization cannot
tolerate their being ignored.
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Because it cannot survive
their being repeated.
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- In March 1947,
the Justice Trial took place
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at Nuremberg.
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It was one of 11 subsequent trials
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that took place following
the main Nuremberg trial
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of December 1945.
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The Justice Trial included 16 defendants
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who had been members
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of the Reich Ministry of Justice,
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and its various courts.
523
00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:51,000
The trial raised the issue
524
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of what responsibility judges have
525
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for enforcing grossly unjust
but arguably binding laws.
526
00:29:00,584 --> 00:29:01,876
The charge was
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judicial murder and other
atrocities committed
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by destroying law
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00:29:06,999 --> 00:29:08,459
and justice in Germany,
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00:29:08,459 --> 00:29:10,709
and by then utilizing the empty forms
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of legal process for persecution,
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enslavement and extermination
on a vast scale.
533
00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:21,125
In their own defense, the
accused claimed they had stayed
534
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to prevent the worst from happening
535
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but after hearing 138 witnesses,
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and introducing more than 2,000 pieces
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00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:31,918
of evidence, the Nuremberg court concluded
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00:29:31,918 --> 00:29:34,959
that the defendants had
consciously participated
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00:29:34,959 --> 00:29:37,999
in a nationwide
government-organized system
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00:29:37,999 --> 00:29:40,959
of cruelty and injustice, in violation
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of the laws of war and of humanity.
542
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10 of the 16 defendants
in the Justice Trial
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were found guilty as charged.
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Four were sentenced to life imprisonment.
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00:29:50,751 --> 00:29:52,792
Six were sentenced to terms ranging
546
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from five to 10 years.
547
00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:57,250
Six were acquitted for lack of evidence.
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00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,250
One died before verdict.
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00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:01,667
One was deemed a mistrial due to illness.
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00:30:02,876 --> 00:30:05,334
The court ruled that the dagger
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00:30:05,334 --> 00:30:06,626
of the assassin was concealed
552
00:30:06,626 --> 00:30:08,999
beneath the robe of the jurist.
553
00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:13,999
- I don't know whether or not
this is a German phenomenon.
554
00:30:13,999 --> 00:30:15,250
It took place in Germany
555
00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:20,042
and obviously Germans could be converted
556
00:30:20,042 --> 00:30:22,292
to this perverted idea.
557
00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:24,999
- This is not a German phenomenon.
558
00:30:24,999 --> 00:30:26,999
This phenomenon exists in other parts
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00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:28,250
of the world.
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00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:29,417
There are people who are ready
561
00:30:29,417 --> 00:30:33,083
to kill and be killed for
their particular ideals,
562
00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,999
because they have never learned tolerance.
563
00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:36,542
They have never learned compassion.
564
00:30:36,542 --> 00:30:37,999
They have been taught to hate.
565
00:30:37,999 --> 00:30:40,751
- A big issue is, who was the perpetrator?
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And there are two polar positions.
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00:30:43,999 --> 00:30:46,083
Both of which are wrong, in my view.
568
00:30:46,083 --> 00:30:49,709
One is the idea that the single madman,
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Adolf Hitler, mesmerized the country,
570
00:30:52,501 --> 00:30:57,501
and by his evil decrees
perpetrated all of it.
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00:30:58,417 --> 00:30:59,626
Individually.
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00:30:59,626 --> 00:31:01,999
A one-guy crime, in a sense.
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00:31:01,999 --> 00:31:05,542
The other view is that the
entire German population
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is guilty as a matter of genetics,
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00:31:09,584 --> 00:31:11,792
and physical presence and citizenship
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00:31:11,792 --> 00:31:13,876
The German people as a whole did it.
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00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,125
The beginning of wisdom, it seems to me,
578
00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:21,999
is to look at Nuremberg in its context.
579
00:31:21,999 --> 00:31:26,751
And it is a step and a
very, very important step
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00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:29,501
on the road to the
international rule of law.
581
00:31:29,501 --> 00:31:31,792
- Nuremberg was a seed from which all
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00:31:31,792 --> 00:31:33,999
of these international treaties,
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particularly those dealing
with Human Rights emerged.
584
00:31:36,999 --> 00:31:37,959
- A judge in Nazi Germany
could not have pointed
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to any principle of international law
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00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:45,209
or international covenants.
587
00:31:45,209 --> 00:31:47,417
Today, we have that entire structure,
588
00:31:47,417 --> 00:31:49,375
- And we can't consider our nation
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00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:52,667
as being isolated from the world
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00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:54,999
and running its own affairs exclusively.
591
00:31:54,999 --> 00:31:56,375
It cannot be anymore.
592
00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:59,999
We have to live in this world community.
593
00:31:59,999 --> 00:32:04,584
No nation can be sufficient
unto itself any longer.
594
00:32:04,584 --> 00:32:08,626
- Perhaps given the time
and the circumstances and history
595
00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:10,083
of Germany at that time,
596
00:32:10,083 --> 00:32:13,542
it made them more vulnerable
than most nations.
597
00:32:13,542 --> 00:32:17,999
But even in this country
you can track our history,
598
00:32:17,999 --> 00:32:20,209
going back to the Alien and Sedition laws
599
00:32:20,209 --> 00:32:23,709
and the Palmer's Raids
and the McCarthy era.
600
00:32:23,709 --> 00:32:28,709
Internment of the Japanese
during World War Two.
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00:32:28,959 --> 00:32:33,959
We have done things, which
in retrospect seem terrible.
602
00:32:33,999 --> 00:32:38,125
- If we look at the United
States in the 21st century,
603
00:32:38,125 --> 00:32:43,125
after 9/11, then we see that
we have to deal with terrorism.
604
00:32:43,876 --> 00:32:45,000
It's a real problem.
605
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,999
And the law is one way to approach this,
606
00:32:48,999 --> 00:32:50,042
It has to be used for that.
607
00:32:50,042 --> 00:32:52,999
We have to also recognize the danger
608
00:32:52,999 --> 00:32:55,999
that Nazi Germany shows to us
609
00:32:55,999 --> 00:32:58,334
of going too far the other way.
610
00:32:58,334 --> 00:33:01,999
Because democracy is very precarious.
611
00:33:01,999 --> 00:33:04,999
And Americans living in democracy,
612
00:33:04,999 --> 00:33:06,626
we think it's always with us,
613
00:33:06,626 --> 00:33:09,709
that there's no way we can be a country
614
00:33:09,709 --> 00:33:10,792
without civil rights
615
00:33:10,792 --> 00:33:13,250
and Nazi Germany shows otherwise.
616
00:33:18,959 --> 00:33:21,667
(mournful music)
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00:33:32,542 --> 00:33:35,626
- In this program, we
examined the fragile nature
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00:33:35,626 --> 00:33:38,125
of democracy, and saw
619
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how even a constitutionally
governed nation could succumb
620
00:33:42,918 --> 00:33:44,918
to the rhetoric of despots.
621
00:33:44,918 --> 00:33:46,501
Great strides have been made
622
00:33:46,501 --> 00:33:48,542
in the past 60 years with courts
623
00:33:48,542 --> 00:33:51,375
towards establishing an
international rule of law.
624
00:33:52,375 --> 00:33:56,167
Yet without vigilance on the
part of our lawyers and judges,
625
00:33:56,167 --> 00:33:58,250
the men and women who are charged
626
00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:01,999
with the task of
safeguarding the rule of law,
627
00:34:01,999 --> 00:34:06,042
any nation is vulnerable
to fear and propaganda.
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00:34:06,042 --> 00:34:08,542
Thank you for your attention.
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(somber music)
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