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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,720 The conflicts in Northern Ireland seemed to be just going on and on 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,880 in a relentless cycle of violence, and then suddenly, in 1981, 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,960 it took the strangest, darkest, most dramatic twist 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,800 when Bobby Sands and nine of his young comrades, 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,680 insisting they be recognised as political prisoners, 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,640 went on hunger strike. 7 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,160 This was drama at the absolute rawest edge 8 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:51,240 that it could possibly be. 9 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,360 Because for everybody, it was like there was this clock ticking 10 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,880 in people's heads. There was a sense this wasn't a game. 11 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,600 I think it was a very, very difficult process for most people, 12 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,240 and if Bobby Sands did nothing else, 13 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,040 he broke through the mental partition. 14 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,520 I mean, it meant that everybody had to pay attention to it 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,760 and I don't think there's anybody on the islands, 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,080 from whatever perspective, who lived through that time, 17 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,520 who is not in some way marked by it personally. 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 We interrupt our regular programme schedule to bring you 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,600 the following special report from ABC News Washington. 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,120 Here is Ted Koppel. 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,440 Bobby Sands is dead. 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,280 The 27-year-old member of the Irish Republican Army, 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,600 who went on a protest hunger strike 66 days ago, has died. 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,040 Sands, who was serving a 14-year prison term on a weapons possession 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,400 charge, had been demanding special status as a political prisoner. 26 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,560 A number of other Irish Republican Army members 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,240 also imprisoned by the British 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,720 had joined Sands in his protest, and several of them 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,120 are also well into a hunger strike. 30 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,320 What he did and what he is known for 31 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,960 is the most individual thing anybody could possibly do. 32 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,360 What more personal thing could you do than use your own body 33 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,560 in the way that he did? 34 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,120 This is about the most intimate kind of pain, 35 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:15,560 and yet, very quickly, that intimacy, that personality, 36 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:22,560 that sense of one's self is taken away and is turned into a slogan - 37 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,160 a brand. 38 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,960 A perfect icon needs to be 39 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,200 poised somewhere between knowledge and vast ignorance. 40 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 And what we get with Sands, is we get enough knowledge that we can 41 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,680 identify with him as a person, but also, you know, he's so young, 42 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,880 there's so little, really, of his life, 43 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,320 that you could fill in all those blanks in any way that you want. 44 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,280 But that's just the way mythology works. 45 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,400 I'm standing on the threshold of another trembling world. 46 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,800 May God have mercy on my soul. 47 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,520 The march through West Belfast was the first major test of 48 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,800 public support for this second Republican hunger strike, which has 49 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,760 started against a background far more bitter than the first. 50 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,600 So far, only one prisoner, Bobby Sands, has refused food. 51 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,360 Chosen, apparently, because Sands is felt to be a particularly hard man, 52 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,600 ready to face death alone. 53 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,840 My heart is very sore because I know I've broken my poor mother's heart, 54 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:05,440 and my home is struck with unbearable anxiety. 55 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,640 But I've considered all the arguments and tried every means 56 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,640 to avoid what has become the unavoidable. 57 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,520 It has been forced upon me and my comrades 58 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,200 by four and a half years of stark inhumanity. 59 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,400 I am a political prisoner. 60 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,440 I am a political prisoner because I am a casualty of a perennial war 61 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,760 that is being fought between the oppressed Irish people and an alien, 62 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,280 oppressive, unwanted regime that refuses to withdraw from our land. 63 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,360 The Star of the Sea football club 64 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,240 was several miles from where I was living in Rathcoole. 65 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,360 We had no proper football team in Rathcoole 66 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,640 for the size of the estate, 67 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,520 which at that time was supposed to be the biggest in Europe. 68 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,880 But there was no organised football team for the kids. 69 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,200 To us, it wasn't a Catholic football club, it wasn't a Protestant - 70 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,200 it was a football club, and they looked after one another. 71 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,800 We played at Celtic Park in a cup final and we beat them five. 72 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,000 But when the whistle went, it was like a free-for-all on the pitch. 73 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,600 And I remember Sandsy with his boot off, 74 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,880 hitting somebody over the head with his boot, you know? 75 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,040 The Star of the Sea was something which was genuinely cross community. 76 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,720 You didn't know it was cross community, you didn't even think it. 77 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,760 Obviously, it had to come apart. It couldn't have survived in the '70s. 78 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Just wasn't going to happen. 79 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,040 Gradually, the Protestant guys sort of drifted away. 80 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,200 People were being drawn back into their two communities at that stage, 81 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,200 over those years. 82 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,720 DISTANT LAUGHTER 83 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,560 We had great days, so we had. 84 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,960 The Troubles then really started happening in Rathcoole. 85 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Catholic families were being driven out of their homes. 86 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,720 At times, I tried to stick up for families, 87 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,680 because some of those families were good friends of mine, their sons. 88 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,400 And then we seen Bobby Sands forced to leave Rathcoole. 89 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,600 I've received several notes from my family and friends. 90 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,480 I have only read the one from my mother. 91 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,000 It was what I needed. She has regained her fighting spirit. 92 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,120 I am happy now. 93 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,680 From my earliest years, I recall my mother speaking of 94 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,760 the troubled times that occurred during her childhood. 95 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,200 Often she spoke of internment on ships, of gun attacks and death. 96 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,880 And of early morning raids when one lay listening with pounding heart 97 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,920 to the heavy clattering of boots on the cobblestoned streets. 98 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,400 When the television arrived, 99 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Mother's stories were replaced by what it had to offer. 100 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,200 I became more confused as the baddies in my mother's tales 101 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,280 were also the heroes on TV. 102 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,400 The British Army always fought for the right side 103 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,600 and the police were always the good guys. 104 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,440 Then came 1968, and my life began to change. 105 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Regularly, I noticed the specials attacking and baton-charging 106 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,440 the crowds of people who all of a sudden began marching on streets. 107 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,280 I knew that they were our people who were on the receiving end. 108 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,480 My sympathies and feelings really became aroused 109 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,320 after watching the scenes at Burntollet. 110 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,720 That imprinted on my mind like a scar. 111 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,760 I became angry. 112 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,200 The whole world exploded, 113 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,240 and my own little world just crumbled around me. 114 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,480 There was no-one to save us except the boys, 115 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,800 as my father called the men who defended our district 116 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,880 with a handful of old guns. 117 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,800 People had risen and were fighting back, 118 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,480 and my mother and her newly found spirit of resistance 119 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,320 hurled encouragement at the TV, shouting, "Give it to them, boys!" 120 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,000 At 18 and a half I joined the Provos 121 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,360 with an M1 carbine and enough hate to topple the world. 122 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,880 DISTANT SINGING 123 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,880 # Go home Yeah, soldiers, go home 124 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,400 # Go home Soldiers, go home. # 125 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,200 In many ways, Bobby Sands is not what you expect when you anticipate 126 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,400 an IRA background. He's not someone whose family is steeped in it. 127 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,760 And I think in some ways, 128 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,720 that's quite telling and appropriate, 129 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,720 because many of the people who swelled the ranks of the Provos 130 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,240 during the 1970s were people who were, really, 131 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,520 not so much products of family tradition 132 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,400 as they were products of the escalating violence 133 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,360 and inter-communal tensions in Northern Ireland. 134 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,880 When he saw that and saw the combination between the kind of 135 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,160 violence that was happening on the streets by these kinds of gangs, 136 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,280 and also the way in which they were more or less 137 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,320 being sponsored by the state, 138 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,720 then that kind of combination made it political. 139 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,360 There were many people who knew him at that time who told me, 140 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,840 "We all became political, but we didn't really know 141 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,720 "why we were political." 142 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,840 Fasting in Ireland was rediscovered in the late 19th century 143 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,840 by anthropologists who were investigating 144 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,640 kind of Gaelic history. 145 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,320 And for those scholars, who were trying to revive Irish nationalism, 146 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,120 there's an emphasis on the ancient Gaelic laws, 147 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,640 and it became discovered 148 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,560 that there was a kind of almost institutionalised fasting 149 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:03,560 to rectify an injustice. 150 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:07,680 And this became popularised by the play by WB Yeats 151 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,800 called The King's Threshold. 152 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Hunger striking has very ancient roots in Irish history. 153 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,040 It was tradition that if the poet wasn't paid by the rich man, 154 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,240 he would starve himself outside his gate. 155 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,360 It struck a chord in Irish history - 156 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,920 particularly from the Fenians onwards, 157 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:37,160 hunger striking or forms of protest in jail began to evolve. 158 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,560 I'm feeling exceptionally well today. 159 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:48,560 It's only the third day, I know, but all the same, I'm feeling great. 160 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,840 I had a visit this morning with two reporters. 161 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,600 Couldn't quite get my flow of thoughts together. 162 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,320 I could have said more in a better fashion. 163 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Firstly, I did not support the armed struggle, 164 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,320 I do not agree with the files. 165 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,600 I felt an imperative to try and get the prisoners, 166 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,720 their side of the story. 167 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,160 I saw my role as a journalist 168 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,760 to afflict the comfortable, 169 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,240 and comfort the afflicted. 170 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,920 He spoke fluently about how they felt compelled 171 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,680 to start this hunger strike 172 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:38,960 and he made it pretty clear to me that he was likely to die. 173 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:18,040 The situation in our province would not be tolerated for one second 174 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,160 in any other part of the United Kingdom. 175 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,920 But our political leaders, they don't know anything about the fear 176 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,240 that makes Ulster Protestants tick! 177 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,040 They don't know anything about the real deep convictions 178 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,440 of the Protestant people. 179 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,080 There are men in Ulster who will stand to the last man 180 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,000 in defence of their heritage. 181 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,520 There are men in Ulster who will die rather than pull down the flag. 182 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,080 The Protestant reaction 183 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,680 was bewilderment at the scale of the IRA violence. 184 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,640 That something that had begun as civil rights disturbances and so on, 185 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,040 quite quickly, though, became something else. 186 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,200 It spawned, of course, a reaction on the Loyalist side, 187 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,760 who wished to terrorise Catholics. 188 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,480 The IRA would rationalise its actions 189 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,680 in terms of oppression by the British and so on. 190 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,040 And yet ordinary Protestants and Unionists were on the front line. 191 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,400 And one had all kinds of responses to it, 192 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,480 ranging from a kind of cynical understanding... 193 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,520 ..and yet at the same time a sense of outrage. 194 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,200 We as a government 195 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,680 are concerned with the wellbeing of all prisoners. 196 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,080 We have taken a number of steps to improve the conditions of those held 197 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,280 in custody. But we are not prepared to give in to blackmail 198 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,720 in the form of a hunger strike or of any other form of pressure. 199 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,600 They put a table in my cell 200 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,240 and are now placing my food on it in front of my eyes. 201 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,560 I honestly couldn't give a damn if they placed it on my knee. 202 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,400 It is not damaging me, because I think 203 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,640 human food can never keep a man alive forever. 204 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,760 And I console myself with the fact that I'll get a great feed up above. 205 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,560 If I'm worthy. 206 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,640 The first time I met him was near the end of 1971. 207 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,320 There was a family next door that was called the Noade family. 208 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,360 And the girl called Geraldine was the daughter. 209 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,160 And Bobby was seeing her. 210 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,560 Quickly grasped that he was in the 'RA, 211 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,840 you know, in Fermanagh. And they also had a lot in common. 212 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,800 Impression I got of Bobby was that he's a bubbly fella. 213 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,800 We used to slag him he looked like Rod Stewart. 214 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,520 Used to have big hair. 215 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,240 So we called him Rod Stewart, you know, he loved it. 216 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,400 With his big hair, like. 217 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,360 Then he got caught. 218 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:35,240 Geraldine came into my mother's house. 219 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,880 And said, "Bobby's caught with parts of a gun." 220 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,840 It was the autumn of '72. 221 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,280 I was charged, and for the first time I faced jail. 222 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,000 I had no alternative but to face up to the hardship that lay before me. 223 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,360 I ended up sentenced in a barbed wire cage 224 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:02,120 where I spent three and a half years as a prisoner of war 225 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:05,040 with special category status. 226 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,800 Throughout the history of the state of the North of Ireland, 227 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,600 the British government have been well aware 228 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,720 that Irish Republicans believe themselves 229 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,080 to be political prisoners. 230 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,040 And in 1972, 231 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,640 the British government basically conceded political status, 232 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,520 although they preferred to call it Special Category Status. 233 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,680 And there was peace in the prisons. 234 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,120 It gave the prisoners certain privileges. 235 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,600 They didn't have to work, they wore their own clothes, 236 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,120 and received regular parcels, visits and letters. 237 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,080 But there was nothing to say that they should live in POW compounds 238 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,160 with their military structures intact. 239 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,080 That came about because there was no alternative. 240 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,720 At the time, the jails were full. 241 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,280 So, inside the compounds, you're dealing with an army? 242 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Yes. 243 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,840 The huts were locked up at nine o'clock at night. 244 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,160 They were unlocked at half seven, eight o'clock in the morning. 245 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,000 But, basically, you had control over your own day. 246 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,000 So we got our time in by developing our own real sense 247 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,560 of the type of Ireland that we wished to see. 248 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,200 It was the first time I met people like Bobby Sands, people like that. 249 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,440 And during the debates we would start looking at other struggles 250 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,800 and similarities, and trying to find out 251 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,040 what it was that would take our own struggle that stage further. 252 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,880 It was a very revolutionary period. 253 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,160 We had a vast library, 254 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,560 all political theories from Stalin to Churchill 255 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,960 to Mao Tse-tung to Ho Chi Minh. 256 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,840 "You want a better understanding of what's happening here? 257 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,640 "There you go, read that." 258 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,520 A key thing that happened at that point in time was when Gerry Adams 259 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,400 came into the area known as Cage 11. 260 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,080 In Cage 11, I mean, there was this new recombination of politics, 261 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,680 where Adams was saying, "Well, OK, guys, we learned about Marx, 262 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,960 "we learned about Mao, we've learned about Che. 263 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,200 "But, you know, what about our own people?" 264 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,000 And he begins to get them to think about the kinds of things 265 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,880 that Connolly wrote about, that Liam Mellows wrote about. 266 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,520 Well, I met Bobby... 267 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,320 It must have been around 1976 or '77. 268 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,120 I'd say he was quite modest, but very intense. 269 00:20:55,120 --> 00:21:00,200 He was deeply troubled and challenged by the sectarian nature 270 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,760 of our society. 271 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,960 He went back to reading Jimmy Hope, 272 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,360 he went back to reading Mary Ann McCracken, 273 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,360 he went back to reading Wolfe Tone. 274 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,520 You know, the sense of citizenship, 275 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,000 of communities needing to be empowered. 276 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,280 And how could you develop 277 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,080 in your own neighbourhood or your own community... 278 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,800 ..a Republican ethos? 279 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,440 I was lonely for a while this evening, 280 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,640 listening to the crows caw as they returned home. 281 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,200 Now, as I write, 282 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,920 the odd curlew mournfully calls as they fly over. 283 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,840 I like the birds. 284 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,520 Well, I must leave off, 285 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,000 for if I write more about the birds, 286 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,200 my tears will fall and my thoughts return to the days of my youth. 287 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,120 Those were the days, 288 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,720 and gone forever now. 289 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Between 1917 and 1923, 290 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,240 there were at least 10,000 hunger strikes by Irish Republicans. 291 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,960 The Irish Republicans were borrowing a tactic that had been pioneered 292 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,320 by an Englishwoman in 1909. 293 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,400 She was a suffragette who was fighting for the votes for women. 294 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,880 And her hunger strike showed just how effective this tactic could be 295 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,560 when fighting against the Westminster government. 296 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,800 MacSwiney, of course, being a Lord Mayor, 297 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,120 and this extraordinary form of protest... 298 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,480 Even after a world war, it caught the imagination, 299 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,960 and particularly revolutionary-minded people 300 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,080 in the world saw this. 301 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,360 One of their students at the time in London was Ho Chi Minh. 302 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,680 And he was very impressed by MacSwiney 303 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,040 and by the Irish struggle generally. 304 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,200 MacSwiney said, "It is not those who can inflict the most, 305 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,200 "but those who can suffer the most who will win..." 306 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:45,200 ..which is a very striking and radical thought. 307 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,880 The whole tradition of military conflict is, 308 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,080 you've gotta inflict more suffering on the other guy 309 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,080 in order to win the war. 310 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,640 And what MacSwiney had said was, actually, you know, by suffering, 311 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,160 and by suffering publicly and over a long period of time, 312 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,880 you are making a statement. 313 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,560 You're making a statement which was, you will outlast the others. 314 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280 No matter what they do to you, 315 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,880 you'll still be there, or your spirit will still be there 316 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,800 or the people who will follow you will still be there. 317 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,560 And in the end, you will win. 318 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,520 I have poems in my mind, mediocre no doubt... 319 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,400 Poems of hunger-striking MacSwiney... 320 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,280 ..and everything that this hunger strike has stirred up in my heart 321 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,560 and in my mind. 322 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,360 Frank has now joined me on the hunger strike. 323 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,560 I have the greatest respect, admiration and confidence in Frank, 324 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,280 and I know that I'm not alone. 325 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,640 Now and again I'm struck by the natural desire to eat, 326 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,320 but the desire to see an end to my comrades' plight 327 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,560 and the liberation of my people is overwhelmingly greater. 328 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,040 Well, when he came out of jail in 1976, I think it was, 329 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,920 he came down to the Republican press centre on the Falls Road 330 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,960 where I was the editor of Republican News. 331 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,120 He was setting up a tenants association in Twinbrook 332 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:06,840 and also wanted to produce a community newspaper. 333 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,280 I realised that here was somebody who was quite progressive, 334 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,720 articulate, left wing, and really interested in his community. 335 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,520 Bobby had been released a number of weeks before me... 336 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,680 ..and he talked about broadening the struggle to involve our community 337 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,040 much more in the resistance to the British. 338 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,080 One of the sort of lessons that we brought out of Long Kesh was that 339 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400 if you have an Active Service Unit in an area... 340 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,840 Come here, mate. ..if the British manage to take them out, 341 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,760 that kills the Republican presence. 342 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Whereas if you can build different levels of Republican resistance, 343 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,080 from a youth movement to a woman's movement to a community... 344 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,160 If you build all these structures, well, then, 345 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,760 if the Active Service Unit does fall, 346 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,400 it means they're not leaving a vacuum. 347 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,400 So we understood the theory of revolutionary warfare, 348 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,400 and that's the way we came at it. 349 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,160 Many prisoners, they come out of prison and they've been reading Che, 350 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,760 they've been reading Ho Chi Minh. 351 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,800 And basically they're saying, "This is what we need to be doing, 352 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,880 "is being like Ho or Che." 353 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,560 But Bobby wasn't like that. 354 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,120 What Bobby began to think was, 355 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,520 "We have British imperialism all around us. 356 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,120 "We don't wait until we send the British Army out of Ireland. 357 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:42,040 "What we do now is we begin to build the kind of society we want." 358 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,840 He was married while he was in prison. 359 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,720 So, the fact of having a wife and having a child 360 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,960 and having to support all that was very new to Bobby... 361 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:28,600 ..which meant that he always had the tension of an activist and a father. 362 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,240 Then Geraldine got pregnant. 363 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,400 She wanted Bobby to spend more time in the house. 364 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,320 She wanted Bobby to pay more attention to her. 365 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,720 You were committed to the armed struggle, 366 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000 and committed to your comrades, 367 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,800 and your personal relationships took second place. 368 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,600 As happened in hundreds of cases, it just didn't work out for them. 369 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,840 NEWS PRESENTER: Bombers had attacked a warehouse in Belfast. 370 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,520 As the police moved in, there was a gun battle. 371 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,000 Mr Sands was charged with possession of a gun nearby. 372 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,800 At his trial, although he couldn't be connected with the bombing, 373 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840 he was given 14 years. 374 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,600 NEWS PRESENTER: The government ruled on March the first 375 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,800 that terrorists convicted of crimes after that date 376 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,160 would no longer get Special Category Status 377 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,000 but must wear prison uniform just like ordinary criminals. 378 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,320 Anybody who was arrested after midnight 379 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,320 on the first of March 1976 would be a criminal. 380 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,480 But if you were arrested with a nuclear bomb 381 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,560 at five to 12, you were political. It was absurd. 382 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,040 They had special interrogation centres, special courts, 383 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,360 and they built a special jail, the H-Blocks of Long Kesh. 384 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,080 NEWS PRESENTER: This is a normal prison, not a prisoner of war camp. 385 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,360 Here, the prison officers are in control. 386 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,880 The facilities are excellent. 387 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,480 Trades and skills are taught to persuade the inmates 388 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,200 that there is more to life than shooting and bombing. 389 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,720 So, they didn't conform. 390 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,880 They went to their compounds, they went to Freedom Association, 391 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,240 and above all they weren't allowed to wear their own clothes. 392 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880 That was the spark that lit the fuse. 393 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,800 What they didn't calculate, 394 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,080 and none of us could have, because there was no Republican plan... 395 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000 ..was Kieran Nugent. 396 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,200 They said, "Right, take your clothes off and put this uniform on." 397 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,120 He said that the only way that they would get him to wear the uniform 398 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,120 was if they nailed it to his back. 399 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,200 At that, he lifted a blanket, 400 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,840 wrapped it round himself, and the blanket protest was born. 401 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,080 The administration took away their clothes, took away their beds, 402 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,520 took away lockers, took away books, radios, 403 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,840 toothbrushes, 404 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,480 blocked up their windows, 405 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,960 wouldn't give them exercise, 406 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,400 wouldn't let them have weekly visits. 407 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,120 You have to remember that the situation in the jails 408 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,720 was like a pressure cooker. It was boiling up. 409 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,360 So, the prisoners would tell you, 410 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,240 the warders began kicking over their commodes. 411 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,840 Then they, in retaliation, 412 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680 began throwing their faeces out the window, 413 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,680 and the warders apparently began throwing it back in again. 414 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,120 So there was no place else to put it except on the walls. 415 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,240 Literally, the most fundamental method of warfare ever 416 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,440 was carried on in the jails. 417 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,640 At the start it was indescribably horrible. 418 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,040 There was the excreta on the walls, 419 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,880 there was urine being thrown out every night 420 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,480 and getting washed back in again. 421 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,640 You were lying on a mattress on the floor which was getting smaller 422 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,800 because you were pulling bits of the mattress off 423 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,960 to smear your excretion on the walls. 424 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,800 But after a month or so, it became just a normal way of living. 425 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,240 When one spends each day naked and crouching in the corner of a cell 426 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,360 resembling a pigsty... 427 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800 ..staring at such eyesores as piles of putrefying rubbish, 428 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,400 infested with maggots and flies, 429 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,240 a disease-ridden chamber pot or a blank, 430 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,920 disgusting scarred wall... 431 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800 ..it is to the rescue of one's sanity to be able to rise 432 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,600 and gaze out of the window at the world. 433 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,320 Today, the screws began blocking up 434 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,400 all the windows with sheets of steel. 435 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,560 To me, this represents the further torture of the tortured - 436 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,280 blocking out the very essence of life, nature. 437 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,720 Here, my torturers have long ago started, 438 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,160 and still endeavour, to block up the window on my mind. 439 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,520 It was very hostile. 440 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,240 You couldn't ask for a more hostile environment. 441 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,640 We were working in an open sewer 442 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,200 with 40 people who wanted to kill us. 443 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,680 Basically, that's what it is. 444 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040 You have 40 people down there who wanted you dead. 445 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,000 You were reasonably safe in work, but then you were driving home. 446 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000 You didn't know what was meeting you there, which happened quite a lot. 447 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,720 A knock on the door, nine mil in the head. 448 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,200 NEWS PRESENTER: The Provisional IRA gunned down on his own doorstep 449 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,760 Albert Miles, the deputy governor of the Maze prison. 450 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,240 This killing was followed by the murder... 451 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,320 Between 1979 and 1982, there were 14 prison officers murdered, 452 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,120 ten of them in one year. 453 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,400 They were sending letter bombs to our houses. 454 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,160 They were addressing them to their wives. 455 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,280 There were putting plastic boxes under the cars. 456 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,240 They didn't care who was driving the car. 457 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:36,120 They didn't care whether you were taking your kids to school. 458 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,320 They didn't give a toss, so why should I give a toss about them? 459 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,000 But everybody wanted these people locked up. 460 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,920 "That's OK," I said. "Lock them up and throw away the key, 461 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,920 "but somebody has to unlock that door." 462 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400 And I am the poor sucker that had to open the door. 463 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120 The British government have said they won't concede political status, 464 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,160 and the prisoners, in their statement today, 465 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,600 have repeated their intention of fasting to the death 466 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,560 in order to obtain it. 467 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,800 If Bobby Sands continues his fast, 468 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,960 then the crisis in this hunger strike will come around Easter. 469 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Foremost in my tortured mind is the thought there can never be peace 470 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,480 in Ireland until the foreign, 471 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,480 oppressive British presence is removed, 472 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,200 leaving all the Irish people as a unit 473 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,720 to control their own affairs 474 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,680 and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people. 475 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,280 There is a tradition in republicanism 476 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080 of a rising in every generation, 477 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,200 no matter how hopeless. 478 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,320 That was very much to the fore in 1916. 479 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,880 They hadn't a hope of winning, and they knew it. But they did it. 480 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,080 Fire! 481 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,000 1916, to Republicans, is a bit like High Mass. 482 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000 It was the executions and the creation of martyrs 483 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,880 that changed, in 1916, 484 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,200 into a right-angled turning point in Ireland. 485 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,240 It changed into the willingness to endure. 486 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,360 Bobby Sands was deeply aware of the fact 487 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,040 that he wasn't just this isolated individual 488 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,720 at a particular point in time. 489 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:32,240 He very consciously saw himself in a tradition, 490 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,120 which was the 1916 tradition. 491 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,080 The only way we can win is emotional and metaphorical, 492 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,440 and we can win by sacrifice. 493 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520 So he knows enough about the culture that he comes from 494 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,760 to know that this is going to hit certain nerve endings 495 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,240 within the collective psyche. 496 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,280 It's going to connect with Irish republicanism 497 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,480 and its martyr traditions, 498 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,720 but it's also going to connect with Catholicism. 499 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,800 It's going to connect with the idea of Christ. 500 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:12,760 Protestants would have found incomprehensible... 501 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,760 ..that notion that young men could contemplate 502 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,600 starving themselves to death 503 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,720 for what were quite modest political aims. 504 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,440 But in fact those modest, quantifiable demands... 505 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,160 ..were actually enveloped by... 506 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,880 ..the much bigger demand that Irish republicanism 507 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,800 requires of its participants. 508 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,080 It is the declared wish of these people to see humane 509 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600 and better conditions in these blocks. 510 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,400 But the issue at stake is not humanitarian. 511 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,800 It is purely political, and only a political solution will solve it. 512 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,880 We wish to be treated not as ordinary prisoners, 513 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,440 for we are not criminals - we admit no crime unless 514 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,360 the love of one's people and country is a crime. 515 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,720 Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. 516 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,840 Where there is error, may we bring truth. 517 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,720 Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. 518 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,480 And where there is despair, may we bring hope. 519 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,440 Well, quite clearly the election of Margaret Thatcher 520 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,720 by an extraordinary majority was an enormous achievement. 521 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,280 And we all knew that British politics 522 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,680 was not going to be the same again, 523 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,080 that many things were going to change in the field of industry, 524 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,840 of industrial relations, and, of course, 525 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,120 we had the problems of Northern Ireland. 526 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,480 Her views on Northern Ireland were mainstream Unionist views - 527 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,080 a sort of general feeling that people who want to be British 528 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,040 should be, and they should be defended. 529 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,160 And above all, the thing which excited her deepest emotion 530 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,760 was support for the Armed Forces and the police, 531 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,040 and the idea that they were being targeted and killed by enemies 532 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,400 of Britain was abhorrent to her. 533 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,000 She understood there were injustices to the nationalist population, 534 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160 but she didn't equate Irish republicanism 535 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,800 with the nationalist population. 536 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,120 It wasn't, "They're Irish, who cares?" 537 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,960 It was, "These are terrorists trying to undermine the rule of law." 538 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,720 And with that, there should be no compromise. 539 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,440 We knew that particularly, of course, 540 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,760 because on the eve of the election, Airey Neave, 541 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,120 who would have been her Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, 542 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,560 had been murdered by Irish republicans. 543 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,280 So we knew times were not going to be easy. 544 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,280 Once we came out of '78, towards the end of '79, 545 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,320 we realised that the no-wash protest, 546 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,520 it wasn't enough to break the will of the Brits 547 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,480 to negotiate for some sort of settlement. 548 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,040 So in the middle of 1979, the idea of hunger strike was broached. 549 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,040 We targeted late September as the date. 550 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,480 We asked for volunteers around the blocks, for people. 551 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,600 And the names came flooding in. 552 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,000 Seven convicted IRA terrorists at the Maze Prison in Northern Ireland 553 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,840 began their threatened hunger strike this morning. 554 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,800 Later, another 142 men joined 555 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,320 the existing so-called dirty no-wash protest. 556 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,960 This means that nearly half the prisoners here live in conditions 557 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,120 of self-imposed filth. 558 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,400 The decision of seven men to go on hunger strike is seen as 559 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,400 a last-ditch attempt to gain political status for these men. 560 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,520 Bobby Sands was livid that he wasn't on it. 561 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,760 The argument was that you can't put everybody on this. 562 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,640 And they said, "Bobby Sands, you're taking over as OC. 563 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,880 "That's it." 564 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,280 NEWS PRESENTER: A year ago, only the relatives 565 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,480 and few hundred republican diehards 566 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,560 could be expected to turn up at an H-Block rally. 567 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,320 Now, under a constant barrage of propaganda, 568 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,200 there are several thousands. 569 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,440 The British knew that they were in a struggle, 570 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,680 they were in a battle here, 571 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,800 because in terms of hearts and minds they were losing this campaign. 572 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,480 At the beginning of the hunger strike, they underestimated 573 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,080 the determination of Mrs Thatcher. 574 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,520 Here was a Prime Minister under massive pressure. 575 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,160 The economy was tanking at the time, there was mass unemployment. 576 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,320 So the impression was, here was somebody who could be broken. 577 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,840 But what boxed her in was that she inherited this policy, 578 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120 she inherited this policy from the Labour government. 579 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,520 It was the Labour government who ended Special Category Status. 580 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,080 And once you inherit that policy, you couldn't back down. 581 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,120 Morally, the hunger strike was very simple in her mind. 582 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,240 These people had committed these crimes and they should be punished 583 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,560 for them, and they should have no special rights. 584 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,800 And the hunger strike was a way of blackmailing her. 585 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,960 It was a sort of completely unacceptable form of leverage. 586 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,240 After 54 days, with one of the strikers close to death, 587 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,400 the IRA's Commanding Officer in the H blocks, Brendan Hughes, 588 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000 took the decision to call off the hunger strike. 589 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480 The prisoners believed through intermediaries 590 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,640 that the British government was about to make concessions. 591 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,200 But they misread the signals. 592 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,760 It quickly became apparent that they had no deal. 593 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,160 The arrangement was that Britain wasn't to call off the hunger strike 594 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,720 without consulting Bobby Sands, 595 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,760 because Bobby was the OC of the prisoners. 596 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,000 He had succeeded Brendan. 597 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,400 Bobby was one of the boys, you know. 598 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,800 Which is why, when he was made OC, we were thinking, 599 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,240 "Bobby's a nice guy and he's talented and all the rest of it..." 600 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,280 But to me the most fascinating thing is how the person in a moment 601 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,000 becomes a leader in all intents and purposes 602 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,880 and says to Brendan, "You fucked up." 603 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,960 I think in the end they realised that the government was simply 604 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,560 not going to give them what they had been demanding, 605 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,840 and that therefore they had the choice 606 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,840 either of dying or of living. 607 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,000 As soon as the strike ended, 608 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,760 one of the problems that Bobby Sands had as Officer Commanding 609 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040 was the morale of the prisoners. 610 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,360 So it was an absolute period of crisis 611 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,760 in trying to keep the protest going after so many years. 612 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,520 Then he realised that what happened in the jail was important 613 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,040 for what was happening on the outside. 614 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,760 Bobby immediately said, "There's only one thing for it. 615 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,720 "We're going back on hunger strike." 616 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,840 The leadership sent in word - 617 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,640 "Under no circumstances will we sanction a second hunger strike." 618 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,360 And Bobby fought with them. 619 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,040 And in the end he said, "Look, you either sack me or back me." 620 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,880 Some people, I think, referred to it as a kind of a tunnel vision, 621 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,520 that Bobby at this point became so concentrated on this one thing. 622 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,840 This is something that we can't even understand unless we see it 623 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,720 in the context of the whole group. 624 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,040 They weren't just facing the world alone. 625 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,680 They were facing the future as a collectivity... 626 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,240 ..and the sole criterion for getting on the second hunger strike was, 627 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,480 "Would you be willing to die? 628 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,920 "Because if you don't die, this is going to hurt the rest of us." 629 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,720 And Bobby said, "That's the reason I'm going on first, 630 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,240 "is because I will die." 631 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,040 He has, first of all, a certain sense of guilt. 632 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,520 People like MacSwiney had a sense of guilt that they hadn't taken part 633 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,480 in the 1916 rising, for example. 634 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,480 And therefore, when the opportunity came to do something, 635 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,880 they felt this extra burden, that they had to take it on themselves. 636 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,000 And I think Bobby Sands maybe felt 637 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,200 after the first failed hunger strike, 638 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,240 and him having been the OC, felt this sense of duty. 639 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,320 And he comes across... 640 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,600 What's moving is he comes across as a very young man, 641 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,600 and with all of the intact idealism that the young can have. 642 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,400 He sees his own actions as being moral actions, 643 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,840 as being good and righteous. 644 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,440 That's why he is challenging, I think, 645 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,720 particularly for people who don't agree with him, 646 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,640 don't agree with where he is coming from - 647 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:49,040 you still can't deny, from the writings, the sincerity. 648 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,200 This guy, you get a sense when you read him, 649 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,040 is absolutely conscious of his place in history. 650 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,520 But he is not indulging it. 651 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,000 It's not as if he is driven by a megalomaniacal idea that, 652 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,400 "I'm going to be this godlike figure." 653 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,240 You don't get that from his writings. 654 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:17,320 What you get from his writings is a very old-fashioned, 655 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,760 almost Victorian sense of duty. 656 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,320 I have always taken a lesson from something that was told to me 657 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,320 by a sound man. 658 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,320 That is that everyone, 659 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,560 republican or otherwise, 660 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,400 has his own particular part to play. 661 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,200 No part is too great or too small. 662 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,600 No-one is too old or too young to do something. 663 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,000 Just a normal day, I open the cell, the prisoner said to me, 664 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,040 "I'm refusing food." 665 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,200 "OK, no problem." 666 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,360 The food was left in the cell. 667 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,840 It was two scoops of potato, fish, one ladleful of peas, 668 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,200 two slices of bread with butter, and tea. 669 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,520 It's like I said to them, "I'm putting the food into you. 670 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,360 "If you don't want to eat it, that's up to you. 671 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000 "We'll put the food in, we'll take the food out. 672 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,240 "And we'll do that three times a day." 673 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,240 And that was their choice. 674 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,400 If they wanted to commit suicide, that was their choice. 675 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,080 Tonight's tea was pie and beans, 676 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,720 and although hunger may fuel my imagination, 677 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,600 I don't exaggerate - the beans were nearly falling off the plate. 678 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,760 If I say this all the time to the lads, they would worry about me. 679 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,200 But I'm all right. 680 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,200 One of the big difficulties 681 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,440 that the support movement for the prisoners 682 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,480 on the inside faced was a lack of publicity. 683 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,200 There was practically no publicity in advance of it starting, 684 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,760 and practically no publicity while the hunger strike was unfolding 685 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,760 and Bobby Sands was leading it. 686 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,720 There had been so much attention given to the first one 687 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,400 that the view from the leadership outside was it would be difficult 688 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,640 to attain the same level of mobilisation 689 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,920 due to the fact that didn't work. 690 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,000 The first few weeks was pretty flat in terms of protest on the streets. 691 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,560 The Frank Maguire thing was the catalyst. 692 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,880 Frank Maguire, who had been the MP for Fermanagh South Tyrone... 693 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,520 About two weeks into Bobby's hunger strike, 694 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,800 Frank Maguire collapsed and died of a heart attack. 695 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,560 I immediately thought to myself, if it was possible, 696 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,280 and if there was a by-election, 697 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,720 we should put Bobby Sands's name forward 698 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,640 to stand in Fermanagh South Tyrone. 699 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,520 We had major worries about it, of course. 700 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,240 We would have to get the agreement of Bobby Sands, 701 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:18,080 and even if Bobby lost by one vote, Thatcher would have crowed, 702 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,960 "Even your own people rejected you." 703 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,760 Within the provisional republican movement 704 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,360 there had been a deep scepticism about electoral politics, 705 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,320 because there was a notion that the North was a place in which 706 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,680 the electoral maths was against you by design, 707 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,200 so when you put someone up for election to the House of Commons, 708 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,840 this in itself is a change of approach of a dramatic kind. 709 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,720 But it was a risk, because it was breaking with the instincts 710 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,400 of provisional republicanism, 711 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,440 which had been hostile towards the compromises 712 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,240 which they saw as being involved in electoral politics. 713 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,480 At the time I think people saw it 714 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,120 as a politicisation of the hunger strike itself. 715 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,760 And some people saw that as a great thing, 716 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,240 as a way of kind of democratising that struggle. 717 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,920 And some people saw it as a cynical move. 718 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,240 This was Sinn Fein trying to take advantage 719 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,760 of this extraordinary situation that was going on within the prison. 720 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,560 My body is broken and cold. 721 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,520 I'm lonely and I need comfort. 722 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,280 From somewhere afar I hear those familiar voices which keep me going. 723 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,880 "We're with you, son. 724 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,880 "We are with you." 725 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,840 I went in to get him to sign papers. 726 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,760 At the time I was only 26, 27, 727 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,360 and obviously didn't realise 728 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,800 what maybe I was getting into. 729 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,680 But, however, 730 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,120 I said to him, I remember, and he was a bit offended, I said to him, 731 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,120 "If you ever think of changing your mind about this, tell me." 732 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,800 He says, "That doesn't arise at all." 733 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,920 I noticed that his dinner was sitting on the tray. 734 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,200 I did obviously realise that this was a very serious place, 735 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,160 and that this man meant business, you know. 736 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,760 And he did say to me, he said he would die. 737 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,040 He said, "I know that I will die." 738 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:34,000 Hunger strikes are a peculiarly modern tactic. 739 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,680 They fit in two ways with developments 740 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,360 in the contemporary world, 741 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,640 one of which is the power of the media, 742 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,920 which means that somebody suffering in one place in the world 743 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,240 can be accessible to everybody in the world. 744 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,320 So states become more and more reluctant to create victims 745 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,360 or create martyrs, at least publicly. 746 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,840 And therefore, if the state is not going to create martyrs, 747 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,280 people will have to make martyrs of themselves. 748 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,000 So in 1963, 749 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,880 we saw the incredibly potent image 750 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,000 of the Buddhist monk from South Vietnam 751 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,800 who set himself on fire. 752 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,160 And that became an image that was beamed around the world, 753 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,600 and became crucial in undermining the American regime 754 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,640 in South Vietnam. 755 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,760 And that's an example of the kind of power of self-inflicted suffering 756 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,320 to move people, even people who have no connection with the struggle. 757 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,400 So we were very conscious, if we were to achieve anything 758 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,480 within our own publicity, 759 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,160 that the imagery of our prisoners... We had to humanise them. 760 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,120 Bobby had went into prison very early, 761 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,480 so there weren't really any great photographs of him. 762 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,000 I remember the ones we had taken, 763 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,040 that's the ones when we were in the prison. 764 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:55,720 That particular one was Tomboy, myself, Bobby and Denis. 765 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:57,640 I don't know where the camera came from. 766 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,920 I still don't know where it came from or who owned it 767 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,560 and the photo was taken. 768 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,840 The image doesn't give you any deep reading of the expression 769 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,240 or of that person. 770 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:14,320 So the sort of ambiguity of the image itself is crucial 771 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,040 to the projection of martyrdom onto the figure... 772 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,880 ..and it's really this kind of dialogue 773 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,240 between the image and the viewer, 774 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,160 the viewer thinking of the suffering, 775 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,800 or the kind of otherworldliness of what they've done. 776 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,560 And images have a certain impact, 777 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,400 or a certain potency, you could say. 778 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,240 But it takes events outside of the image to create 779 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:52,200 the full kind of fusion, if you like, of that iconography. 780 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,120 NEWS PRESENTER: After the First World War, 781 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,160 Churchill wrote that entire countries had been swept away, 782 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,360 but the dreary spires of Fermanagh and Tyrone still stood intact. 783 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,240 There are 5,000 more nationalist voters than unionist voters here, 784 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:24,000 and only the unwillingness to elect an IRA man will cut into that. 785 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,400 Well, it's a terrible choice between a provisional IRA man on one hand, 786 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,040 and a reactionary discredited unionist. 787 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,480 So it is an acute dilemma for a large number of Catholics 788 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,640 in the constituency. 789 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,720 People are not being asked to come out 790 00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,760 and make any decision in opposition to 791 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,120 or in favour of violence or armed struggle or anything else. 792 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,320 Bobby Sands is the single anti-unionist candidate 793 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,040 in this election, standing on a single issue. 794 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,760 A lot of what Bobby Sands was doing in a way was taking one truth 795 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,520 and making a different truth. 796 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,080 The truth he was taking 797 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,040 was the truth that actually the IRA was not suffering. 798 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,320 The IRA was not a victim in the Troubles. 799 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,520 The vast majority of IRA killings were pretty safe for the killer. 800 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,200 Their classic weapon was the car bomb. 801 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,720 You set the bomb, you walked away from the carnage, you were safe. 802 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,400 You walked up to somebody's door, you knocked on the door, 803 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,760 you shot somebody in the head, you walked away. 804 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,480 You placed a mine on a road when a British Army convoy 805 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,560 was coming along, and you did it by remote control. 806 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,360 And remote control is not the warrior's honour. 807 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,920 What the hunger strikes did partly for the IRA, I think, 808 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,800 was reversed that truth. 809 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,520 They couldn't do their courage in the usual way that soldiers do, 810 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,840 so how could you do it? 811 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,280 You could do it by dying. 812 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,200 Here was someone on their behalf, almost, who was saying, 813 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,320 "I will show exemplary courage," 814 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,800 and therefore somehow change in people's heads 815 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,320 the idea of what this movement is about. 816 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,920 He was only a child in '68 when the civil rights movement started. 817 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,440 But the IRA really didn't understand what Bobby Sands was doing. 818 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,360 What does the IRA go and do? 819 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,000 Right in the heart of the election campaign, they murder, 820 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,440 in the most grotesque way, Joanne Mathers, mother of two, 821 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800 for the awful crime of collecting census forms. 822 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,160 So they're saying, "You know what? 823 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,680 "It still is about killing and we're going to keep doing it." 824 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,600 And for the voters in Fermanagh South Tyrone, 825 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,400 you have this awful dilemma. 826 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,400 What are they actually voting for? 827 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,080 Joanne Mathers is buried on the day of the election results. 828 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,600 So are they voting compassionately to save a life 829 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,080 or are they voting for an organisation 830 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,320 which is in the business of taking life? 831 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,440 The count took place in the technical college in Enniskillen. 832 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,520 I've never seen so many cameramen, press, from Radio Moscow, 833 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:29,320 Radio Prague, Australia, Japan, all there because they saw this, 834 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,480 I think, in terms of David versus Goliath. 835 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,680 There was Bobby Sands, there was Thatcher. 836 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,200 Sands, Bobby, Anti H-Block, Armagh, 837 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:48,600 political prisoner - 30,492. CHEERING 838 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,800 West, Henry W, Ulster Unionist - 839 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,640 29,046. 840 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,600 And I declare that Bobby Sands has been duly elected 841 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,880 to serve as a member for this constituency. 842 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,360 CHEERING 843 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,480 I always remember the smile on his mother and his sister's face. 844 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,800 I presume they would have believed and hoped 845 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,680 that it would have saved his life. 846 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,920 I went in to see him the next day and he was pleased, 847 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,960 but he said to me, he says, "It makes no difference." 848 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,000 He said, "It will make no difference to me." 849 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,680 He knew. He seemed to have it worked out, you know? 850 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,840 It is a tremendous boost for the H-Block campaign, 851 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,160 but it's bound to be regarded throughout the world 852 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,960 as much more than that - 853 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,520 as a victory for the IRA. 854 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,280 NEWS PRESENTER: Sands's election to parliament embarrassed the British 855 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,640 and it has made Sands more than the folk hero he had already become. 856 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,400 This 11-year-old boy sitting on the debris of a recent riot 857 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,800 says Sands is dying for him. 858 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,160 POLICE OFFICER: You are causing an obstruction. 859 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,160 You are required to disperse. 860 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,280 I have no doubts or regrets about what I am doing 861 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,240 for I know what I have faced for eight years, 862 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,760 and in particular for the last four and a half years, others will face. 863 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,600 All men must have hope and never lose heart... 864 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,600 ..but my hope lies in the ultimate victory for my poor people. 865 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,840 Is there any hope greater than that? 866 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,400 England was the big fish in the small pool, 867 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:41,840 and then suddenly the big whale of America swims in. 868 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,920 If America gets involved, everything changes. 869 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,360 They are political prisoners, 870 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,280 whether the British say they are or not. 871 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,080 And let's pray for a united Ireland. 872 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,520 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. INDISTINCT CHEERING 873 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,720 We are screaming that the British Government 874 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,520 has to end the war. 875 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,000 I believed that the solution was getting America involved. 876 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,000 The more people who put pressure on the American government 877 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,520 to do something, the better. 878 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,360 It was a difficult one 879 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,320 to explain to an Irish-American audience. 880 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:46,040 This is being used to whip up support for a violent movement. 881 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,760 But when you are conveying a complex message 882 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:56,920 against the Provos' simple message - "Brits out" - our job was not easy. 883 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,040 Here we were in America at the time, 884 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,840 and the narrative that we had come to accept about the Troubles 885 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,320 in Northern Ireland was a romantic group of victims, 886 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,760 that when they went to the streets, 887 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:17,640 they were doing it out of a sense of pride and desperation. 888 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,440 It was a romanticised version of the problem. 889 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,840 And in comes this character named Bobby Sands, 890 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,320 and what he did was a brilliant political move. 891 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,920 There was a sense here of people ready to transcend the past. 892 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,520 There were voices, including, most prominently, Senator Kennedy's, 893 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,120 that found a way of saying, 894 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:48,040 "We must help the British appreciate that they should meet the conditions 895 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,600 "Bobby and the other hunger strikers had set forth." 896 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,640 And I think something we didn't quite appreciate 897 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,080 was just how stubborn the British could be, 898 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,120 even against their own interests. 899 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,680 Oh, no. I mean, nobody would suggest for a moment, would they, 900 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,160 that an MP who commits an offence and is sentenced to prison 901 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,240 should be treated differently from anybody else? 902 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,040 I'm not suggesting it, and I don't think anybody else is either. 903 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,360 That's where the diplomatic effort comes in. 904 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,480 They have to up their counter-propaganda efforts, 905 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,000 and it is counter-propaganda. 906 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,320 It is about an image of what you're trying to project to the world. 907 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,480 Sinn Fein rejected the British Parliament anyway, 908 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,240 so it was a sort of publicity stunt, 909 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,160 but it was a publicity stunt with the power of votes. 910 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,520 And that was alarming. 911 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,640 Mrs Thatcher was a very conscious of the propaganda battle in Washington 912 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,760 and she fought it back. 913 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,840 Irish-Americans, including Teddy Kennedy, God bless him, 914 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,280 were scared off, because criticise the British, 915 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,240 and you'll be seen as supporting the IRA. 916 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:55,360 And that was the simple tactic of both the British and Irish embassy, 917 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,560 and it worked. While we might ask the American administration 918 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,280 to ask Thatcher to soften her stance, 919 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,720 we were not going to ask them to intervene in an active sense 920 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,480 in the affairs of another country. 921 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:14,200 They had larger concerns involving the IRA as a troublesome element, 922 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,240 and a criminal element, in many eyes, 923 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,040 and I think that just trumped the issue. 924 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,880 But of course, not that long after the start of the hunger strike, 925 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,320 President Reagan is shot. 926 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,600 He's out of action for about ten days in the hospital, 927 01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,960 and we were about to break diplomatic relationships 928 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,720 with Libya on the issue of terrorism. 929 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,040 At the end of the day, 930 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,760 the view of the White House was that while, in a sense, 931 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,720 you could say that a man like Bobby Sands was a prisoner 932 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:49,040 of conscience, that cause and that organisation 933 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,160 is also a terrorist organisation. 934 01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,160 I was thinking today about the hunger strike. 935 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,360 People say a lot about the body. I don't trust it. 936 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,040 I consider there is a kind of fate indeed. 937 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,400 Firstly, the body doesn't accept the lack of food... 938 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,960 ..and it suffers from the temptation of food. 939 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,000 The body fights back, sure enough... 940 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,000 ..but at the end of the day, everything returns 941 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,080 to the primary consideration - that is, the mind. 942 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,640 So loss of weight the first month is gradual, 943 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,280 and it's not as catastrophic as one would imagine. 944 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,480 And during that month the body is not yet digesting itself. 945 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,280 It's not the weight change which radically changes. 946 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,120 It's the effects of the whole fasting which kicks in. 947 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,360 Between 35 and 45 days is what the Chief Medical Officer told me... 948 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,960 What he called the ocular motor phase. 949 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,000 The muscles in your eyes don't work as well as they should 950 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,640 and you get nystagmus. 951 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,680 You get these rapid eye movements which are uncontrollable, 952 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,240 and it's extremely unpleasant. 953 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,040 It causes vomiting, and it was the phase that hunger strikers 954 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,440 who were beginning to strike feared the most. 955 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,760 After day 45, all of a sudden the vertigo stops. 956 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:20,960 After the vertigo ends, 957 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,360 the person comprehends everything and he can make a rational decision. 958 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,240 But this is not going to last very long, and you have this entity 959 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,400 called anosognosia which means the person 960 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,800 does no longer realise exactly how serious the situation is. 961 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,000 Maggie! Out! Maggie! Out! 962 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,120 Maggie, Maggie, Maggie! Out, out, out! 963 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,280 You could very quickly see on the streets of Dublin, 964 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,360 on the streets of Cork, 965 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,080 that the emotional power was beginning to draw in people 966 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,080 who had not previously been involved in Republican politics 967 01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,560 and had probably not even been involved in politics at all. 968 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,120 And that's what terrified the southern government. 969 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,680 I mean, they were really very, very scared by this. 970 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,720 You've got to remember, in the Republic, 971 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,120 most people didn't want to know about the North. 972 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,480 You know, they had been psychologically prepared 973 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,760 to wake up in the morning and hear the latest atrocity 974 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,840 and then try to get on with the rest of the day 975 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,320 without paying any attention to it. 976 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,360 There was this terror that the Troubles 977 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,960 were going to spill across the border. 978 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,600 But Fianna Fail, which was the dominant political party 979 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:33,840 in the south, 980 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,400 was particularly sensitive to this 981 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,880 because it had put itself forward as being the real Republican party 982 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,640 on the islands of Ireland. 983 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:45,160 In my view, a declaration by the British Government of their interest 984 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,200 in encouraging the unity of Ireland... 985 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,840 CHEERING DROWNS SPEECH 986 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,760 And then, with the hunger strikes, 987 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:58,880 you had Sinn Fein and the IRA making a really vivid claim to saying, 988 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,560 "You are not the Republicans, we are the Republicans." 989 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,080 You can pull up your rhetoric, 990 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,840 we can pull up the bodies of starving men. 991 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:10,040 I'm continually... I'm still very deeply concerned and anxious 992 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,320 about the H-Block situation. 993 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,040 And the British Government fully understand that concern. 994 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,120 An election is pending. 995 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,560 Now, that is what worries Mr Haughey, 996 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,600 that he is going to lose power. 997 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,200 The electoral arithmetic is very tight 998 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,000 and any growth in support for H-Block supporters 999 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,880 could be translated into elections to the Dail, 1000 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,240 and you see an increasing number of desperate attempts 1001 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,000 to try and produce some sort of initiative - anything. 1002 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,360 Mr Bobby Sands, the IRA hunger striker, 1003 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,920 has been given the last rites by a Roman Catholic priest 1004 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,960 in the hospital of the Maze prison near Belfast. 1005 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,400 The Northern Ireland Office has granted his request 1006 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,960 for a special visit from the Dublin MPs Sile de Valera, Neil Blaney 1007 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,120 and John O'Connell, 1008 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,560 in the hope that they can persuade him to give up his seven-week fast. 1009 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,720 It was a very, obviously, emotional meeting. 1010 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,920 Dr John O'Connell, who was Health Minister, 1011 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,880 he says to Neil Blaney, "I'm going to ask him to come off." 1012 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,080 And Blaney says, "Don't. You can't do that." 1013 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,360 He says, "I am. I have to." 1014 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,080 He was very ill. He was blind in one eye, 1015 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,040 because I always remember him rubbing his eye. 1016 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,040 And Sile de Valera was crying. 1017 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,600 O'Connell pressed Bobby to come off but he said he wasn't 1018 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,600 and he told him about all the suffering 1019 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,080 that they had done in the H-Blocks. 1020 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,840 And that only exacerbated the situation with Sile de Valera, 1021 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,520 because she was actually crying into an awful state then 1022 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,880 when she heard all that was going on, you know? 1023 01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:49,520 I found that I could not persuade him. 1024 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,720 I emphasised how important his own life was. 1025 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,560 I didn't think a life was worth that. 1026 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:54,920 But he was very determined 1027 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,160 and I got the impression he was fully resigned to die. 1028 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,600 I've saw in this man more determination 1029 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,760 than I've ever seen in any person before. 1030 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,520 He now weighs 47kg. 1031 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,160 He cannot read and he cannot focus his eyesight 1032 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,880 and believes he is going blind. 1033 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,600 Himself thinks he has possibly three or four days left to live. 1034 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,280 There can be no possible concessions on political status. 1035 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:31,640 To do that, in fact, would put many, many people into jeopardy. 1036 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,880 If everyone said that a crime which you and I regard as a crime, 1037 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,560 described as a crime, and which is a crime, 1038 01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,480 if ever there was an attempt to say it is not a crime, it's political, 1039 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,040 then everyone, I'm afraid, would go in fear. 1040 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,360 The prisoners are clearly recognised as political prisoners. 1041 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,000 It is stupid of Mrs Thatcher, and it's idiotic of her, 1042 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,680 to turn around and say, "A crime is a crime is a crime." 1043 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,120 When you have both protagonists taking public stances, 1044 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,960 what is lacking is trust. 1045 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,880 The Government's position is there will be no negotiations before 1046 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:13,200 the end of the strike. Of course, the prisoners didn't believe them, 1047 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,800 and neither side wants to lose face, 1048 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,520 and that's the tragedy of it. 1049 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,680 NEWS PRESENTERS: The IRA's Bobby Sands, 1050 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,480 nearly blind and close to death, 1051 01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:53,360 today refused to meet with two human rights mediators who went 1052 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,640 to Maze Prison to try to persuade Sands to end his hunger strike. 1053 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,080 The authorities would not agree to Mr Sands's conditions, 1054 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,800 that his friends would be with him when he met the delegation, 1055 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,280 and the commissioners will not now be taking up his case. 1056 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,960 Outside the prison, a group of loyalist protesters 1057 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,120 angrily put the point 1058 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,480 that the people in real need of human rights justice 1059 01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:14,720 are those who'd suffered as a result of IRA killings. 1060 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,600 Bobby Sands is putting on a performance for the world. 1061 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,200 He is trying to get the maximum publicity possible for his cause. 1062 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,880 That is a cause that has murdered people, 1063 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,240 that has murdered children in my constituency. 1064 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,600 That's the cause that Bobby Sands represents. 1065 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,280 The Protestants are delighted that Sands chose not to let 1066 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,040 the Human Rights Commission intervene to stop the hunger strike, 1067 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,000 and ironically, many Irish Republican sympathisers 1068 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,080 are also happy that apparently Sands still chooses death. 1069 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,680 One said, "The IRA needs a martyr, and Sands is a good one." 1070 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,440 It has been some time since Republican sympathisers 1071 01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,080 marched through Belfast with quite this degree of support 1072 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,120 and this degree of emotional intensity, 1073 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,960 and it took place in a mood of bitterness and confusion 1074 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,680 generated by the breakdown of the mediation effort 1075 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,400 by the human rights commissioners. 1076 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,400 The Irish Prime Minister, Mr Haughey, 1077 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,840 came in for as much hostility from the marchers as Mrs Thatcher. 1078 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,720 We were helpless in terms of getting the administration to intervene. 1079 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,720 Ed Meese at that stage was his chief of staff. 1080 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:28,960 So I went to see Meese 1081 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,560 and he started the conversation by telling me 1082 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,280 that, "We've had to deal with difficult prison situations 1083 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,680 "in California. In dealing with prisoners, 1084 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,920 "they only understand one thing, and that's toughness. 1085 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,400 "So I'm not going to advise the President to phone 1086 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,120 "the British Prime Minister to dilute her toughness." 1087 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,920 But it was a gift to the Provos. 1088 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,600 Bobby Sands was reported closer to death today... 1089 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,560 Tension increased throughout Belfast and there was more violence... 1090 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,720 At the Vatican, Pope John Paul begged the world... 1091 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,680 NEWSREADER SPEAKS FRENCH 1092 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,480 I believe I am but another of those wretched Irishmen 1093 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,280 born of a risen generation 1094 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,360 with a deeply rooted and unquenchable desire for freedom. 1095 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,160 I may be a sinner, but I stand, 1096 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,720 and if it so be will die... 1097 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,840 ..happy knowing that I do not have to answer 1098 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,800 for what these people have done to our ancient nation. 1099 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,280 I was in the prison hospital. 1100 01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,880 The scene that greeted my eyes, I couldn't believe. 1101 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,040 He was lying on his back. There was a cage. 1102 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,240 The blankets were covering the cage 1103 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,920 because they couldn't touch his body. 1104 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,840 And he said, "Who's that?" 1105 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,120 And I said, "It's Jim, Bobby." 1106 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,200 He said, "I can't see. I'm blind." 1107 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,000 HE EXHALES SHAKILY 1108 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,360 He reached out his hand. 1109 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,080 We touched... 1110 01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,440 ..we said goodbye... 1111 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,840 ..and he said, "Tell the lads I'm hanging in." 1112 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,240 This is the last visit you'll have with him. 1113 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,680 That's right. Did you say goodbye to Bobby? 1114 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,000 Yeah, we said goodbye. 1115 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,520 And he just asked me, "Was there any change?" 1116 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,200 I told him there wasn't. 1117 01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:59,880 And he just said, "That's it, then." 1118 01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,040 He says, "Look after me ma. 1119 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,120 "Go and see me ma." 1120 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,640 So... 1121 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,640 I would like to appeal to the people... 1122 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,360 ..to remain calm and have no fighting 1123 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,880 or cause no death or destruction. 1124 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,560 My son's offered his life for better conditions in prison, 1125 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,320 but not to cause further death outside. 1126 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,760 That's all I can say. How is he today? 1127 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,680 He's dying. 1128 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,520 I can hear the curlew passing overhead. 1129 01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:45,880 Such a lonely cell. 1130 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,680 Such a lonely struggle. 1131 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,240 But, my friend... 1132 01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:01,880 ..this road is well trod, and he, whoever he was 1133 01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,200 who first passed this way... 1134 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,320 deserves the salute of the nation. 1135 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,200 I am but a mere follower... 1136 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,840 ..and I must say oiche mhaith. 1137 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,680 Goodnight. 1138 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,400 NEWS PRESENTER: Bobby Sands's death by hunger strike guarantees him 1139 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:33,920 a place in the Republican pantheon, 1140 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,280 an assured estimation as an IRA martyr, 1141 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,360 and one of the small but select group whose self-inflicted deaths 1142 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,880 have punctuated Irish history during the 20th century. 1143 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,800 Now, it's too soon to say, and no-one knows... 1144 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,080 SPEECH FADES OUT 1145 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,600 I was actually home when the word came through. 1146 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,040 It was weird, because no-one spoke. 1147 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,880 And... 1148 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,400 They just walked down the street. 1149 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,200 INDISTINCT SPEECH 1150 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,760 And someone started singing Faith Of Our Fathers. 1151 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,480 And as they walked round the neighbourhood, 1152 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,880 it was one of the most spiritual experiences ever. 1153 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,280 Bearing in mind Bobby had gone, it was almost as if... 1154 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,880 ..he has given us something new, the strength of these people. 1155 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,400 INDISTINCT SPEECH 1156 01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,960 NEWS PRESENTER: In Moscow, the Soviet news agency Tass 1157 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,440 described Bobby Sands as a fighter for civil liberties 1158 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,520 and the Maze Prison as a concentration camp. 1159 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,120 Tass said Sands had been condemned to death by the government's refusal 1160 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:53,920 to meet his demand for political status. 1161 01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,560 The British Government's failure to even attempt 1162 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,560 to work for humanitarian resolution reflects the moral bankruptcy 1163 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,280 of their policies in Northern Ireland. 1164 01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,920 It is my hope that the call of Bobby Sands's mother for nonviolence 1165 01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,080 will be followed, so that the British Government 1166 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,440 can suffer the glare 1167 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,680 of a much-deserved negative world reaction. 1168 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:44,280 One of the grim features of Irish political history is it often seems 1169 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,360 impaled by terrible events, by catastrophe, down the centuries. 1170 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:57,160 The death of Sands cast a foreshadow of uncertainty and apprehension 1171 01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:58,840 on the island. 1172 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,560 Was it one of those events that changed things utterly, 1173 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:08,200 to adapt William Butler Yeats, speaking as he was of Easter 1916? 1174 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:20,040 Certainly power beyond the facts of some sort was going on. 1175 01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:26,560 Some seductive mystique was once again being generated - 1176 01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:34,520 that curious mystique of Irish republicanism, 1177 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,720 physical-force Irish republicanism. 1178 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,640 One of the great strengths of Irish nationalism as a force 1179 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,840 is its brilliant ability to take the dead 1180 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,080 and reshape them as mythological characters. 1181 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,800 And so Bobby Sands, of course, through the funeral, 1182 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,720 which was an extraordinary event... 1183 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:25,600 He is sucked immediately into this kind of mythological tradition, 1184 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,520 and making it into something that's no longer individual but in fact 1185 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,960 has become timeless and historic and some kind of essence 1186 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,040 of what it means to be Irish. 1187 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,280 Until Bobby died, 1188 01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:56,840 there was always the hope that the British would introduce 1189 01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:01,040 some sort of reforms to end the hunger strike. 1190 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:02,560 But they didn't. 1191 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,280 And then it was simply a waiting game as we counted down 1192 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,000 through the rest of our comrades. 1193 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,200 Bobby Sands died a week ago, and the British Government did not relent. 1194 01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,080 Do you believe that your brother's death will make any difference 1195 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,920 to their attitudes? Hopefully, yes. 1196 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,640 But I would just like to say that Margaret Thatcher 1197 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,360 and the British Government has murdered my brother. 1198 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,360 They cannot break these men. 1199 01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,360 They cannot force these men to accept criminal status. 1200 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,720 They will carry it through, because there was 1201 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,400 another Republican hunger striker, Terence MacSwiney, 1202 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,560 and he left the Republicans as saying, 1203 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,960 "It is not those who can inflict the most, 1204 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,280 "but those who can suffer the most who will win in the end." 1205 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,320 Mrs Thatcher realised that, terrible thought it would be, 1206 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,320 the more people died, the worse it would get for the IRA. 1207 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,520 It didn't mean that she wanted more people to die, 1208 01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:42,800 but she understood that the oddness of the hunger strike as a weapon 1209 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,000 was that it weakened with each death. 1210 01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,960 The pressure comes on the people who are organising the striking, 1211 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,920 doesn't it? Why are we dying if we're not getting anything? 1212 01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,640 CHEERING 1213 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,480 She would think, what's the IRA doing that they want mothers' sons 1214 01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:11,680 to die? What about the families? 1215 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,880 And, indeed, that became an issue in the hunger strike. 1216 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,440 Throughout the hunger strike, 1217 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,560 the prisoners in the Maze rejected appeals to end their fast. 1218 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,080 Papal envoys, priests, politicians, 1219 01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,280 Red Cross delegations all came and went 1220 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,600 without changing the men's attitudes. 1221 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,400 The cracks began to show in the campaign 1222 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,200 not inside the prison, but from outside. 1223 01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,080 One by one, the prisoners reached a crucial stage of their fast. 1224 01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,200 One by one, their families stepped in to stop them dying. 1225 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,040 Now, let me make it absolutely clear 1226 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,000 as I say a word about the hunger strike. 1227 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,840 No concessions have been made to the IRA 1228 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,520 and there will be no perpetration 1229 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:16,800 of anything which looks like concessions 1230 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,440 to those who commit violence. 1231 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,640 The real irony is that Bobby Sands... 1232 01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:02,280 He saw himself as a soldier in the armed struggle of the IRA, 1233 01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:06,200 yet winning that election had a really profound effect in terms 1234 01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,360 of reshaping the whole idea of what Sinn Fein and the IRA could achieve. 1235 01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,760 Just through using the rhetoric and using the imagery 1236 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,120 that Bobby Sands had unleashed, 1237 01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:21,600 but using it in a way that was persuasive to enough people 1238 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,080 that they would vote for you. 1239 01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,720 The acts of Bobby Sands came at a time 1240 01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,000 when the American political class 1241 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,600 was sort of waking up to their responsibility. 1242 01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:09,880 He forced us to recognise that there were plenty of people 1243 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,400 with whom we could work if we were willing to expend 1244 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,320 the political capital to solve this problem. 1245 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,040 You know, Bobby Sands, 1246 01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:26,200 maybe he didn't even understand that something profound and good 1247 01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:27,720 was just about to happen. 1248 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,720 It is what eventually led to the Good Friday Accords. 1249 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,400 There are turning points in modern Irish history. 1250 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,040 1916 is a turning point. 1251 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,480 1981, those 66 days of Bobby Sands's hunger strike, 1252 01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:56,040 are undoubtedly a turning point. 1253 01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,720 How are you keeping? 1254 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,560 In a way, Bobby Sands did win. 1255 01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,320 He is always going to be there in the consciousness of revolutionaries 1256 01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,400 around the world. But in fact, 1257 01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,040 he posed a really significant challenge to revolutionaries 1258 01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:17,040 because by reaching back into Irish history, into the notion that, 1259 01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,240 actually, you win by enduring and not by inflicting suffering, 1260 01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,440 he changed the nature of how people should think about 1261 01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:26,840 how they might force political change. 1262 01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,360 You win when you capture the public imagination. 1263 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,880 I am standing on the threshold of another trembling world. 1264 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,840 May God have mercy on my soul. 1265 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,480 # When inner scars 1266 01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:59,920 # Show in your face 1267 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:04,320 # And darkness hides 1268 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:08,920 # Your sense of place 1269 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,480 # Well, I won't speak 1270 01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:18,080 # I will refrain 1271 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,160 # And be the song 1272 01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,880 # Just be the song... # 109905

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