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Hey, all you cool cats and kittens.
It's me, Joel McHale.
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And as you're all aware, we're currently
in the midst of a global pandemic.
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Tiger King fever!
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Like you, I've devoured all seven episodes
and I'm still craving more.
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So, I called up Netflix and insisted
on hosting a glitzy follow-up special
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with the highest possible
production quality.
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They said,
"We're gonna mail you an iPhone.
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Knock yourself out."
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So, we've gathered some of the key players
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for a look back at the twists and turns
of the Tiger King saga,
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and we'll find out where their lives
have taken them since the show ended.
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What is it like outside
the mulletted realm of Joe Exotic?
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How does it feel
when the world turns you into a meme?
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And is the Wi-Fi signal at their home
strong enough for a one-on-one interview?
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Hmm. Those questions and more
are about to be answered.
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This is "The Tiger King and I."
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How are you, man?
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Oh, just living clean.
Loving Jesus. What's up with you?
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I'm clean living and loving Jesus, too.
This is great.
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Erik Cowie. He's one of
my favorite people on the documentary.
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He's deeply compelling.
Erik, welcome to the after show.
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-Thanks for having me.
-Did you wash your glorious hair today?
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No. What's the point, you know.
I'm gonna get peed on every day, so...
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Erik, this whole thing is possibly now
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the biggest documentary in human history.
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How has your life changed?
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I haven't seen it.
I really haven't.
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-You haven't seen it?
-Ten minutes.
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No! No. And I need to,
because, uh, that way,
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I can have at least some semblance
of ammunition for, you know,
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some of the things
that come out of people's mouths
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or the me-mes or memes
or whatever they're called.
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Uh, you know, I... I don’t know
where they're coming from or what...
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You know, so... No, I haven't seen it.
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Why haven't you seen it yet?
I have to ask.
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I work!
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You need to tell Jeff and Lauren
to give you a couple of hours off
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to start in on this thing.
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When was the last time
you went out in public?
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Like to a... You know, to a mall
or a Walmart or something?
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About three days ago.
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It's rather odd,
walking through the parking lot
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and everybody's got
their cell phones out and...
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Yeah, I'm just a... just a fucking guy,
you know.
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And your current title
remains Head Zookeeper?
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Oh... Uh, yeah. Um...
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Major asshole, uh... I don't know.
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Do you have any regrets
about your time with Joe?
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Sure. Oh, yeah. Um...
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Give me your top 200.
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-No, I'm kidding. What's in the top five?
-It... It's...
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It's been in the back of my head.
I think about it a lot.
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A lot of times,
when we put cats down and... And...
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They used me because just by
my appearance, or my voice, you know, uh,
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I could get a cat up the side of a cage
where we can dart it and tranquilize it,
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so they could be put down and stuff.
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You know, those cats trusted me
up until the end
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and somehow...
Sometimes, I swear they're like,
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"Dude, you let me down" kinda thing.
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I could see it
in their face and their eyes.
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When you have to do that to a cat,
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I assume there's a medical
or a...
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Or something's going on with the cat
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that it can't continue to live.
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Hmm, you would think. But no.
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-Oh.
-Even before all this happened,
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Jeff asked me once, I mean, point blank,
where do my loyalties lie.
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And, you know, without hesitation, I said,
"My loyalties..."
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"I don’t care about you,
I don’t care about Joe.
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I'm here for the cats."
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These are my kids out here.
Every cat's different in their own
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different, special little fucked up way.
You know, so, it makes them endearing.
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Who do you think had it better at the zoo,
the animals or the workers?
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The animals. Yeah.
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Joe was just a... He was an asshole, man.
I mean, you couldn't talk to him
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and... without getting yelled at.
I mean, he'd run people off in 20 minutes.
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And just by the just absurdly crass things
that would come out of his mouth.
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And so, obviously,
as you've just been saying,
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you're still working with animals.
And by that I mean, Jeff Lowe.
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How is it working out working for him?
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It's pretty relaxed.
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I mean, there's not the random, uh,
you know, yellings at, and just...
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You know, just for no reasons.
And pretty calm guy.
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Have you met the nanny?
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I just saw her booty
and that's about it.
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Now, I'm really shifting gears here,
but do you think Joe should be free?
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Do you think he should be a free man?
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-No! Not no, but fuck no.
-Yeah.
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Twenty-two years doing federal time...
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What's that guy, like 56,
something like that?
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He's gonna die in there, so...
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-Yeah.
-Good riddance.
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Yeah. All right. Wow. That is...
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Powerful statement.
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Can you imagine what he must be likein jail right now,
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now that he finally got what he wanted,
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which was an extreme amount
of fame and press?
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I'm pretty sure they don’t have access
to Netflix or anything.
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-So he can't even get to see it.
-Right.
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I love irony. So, that's that.
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This is a very serious question, Erik.
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You're being compared to Vince Neil.
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-Does... Are you flattered by that?
-Oh, God.
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-I fucking hate Mötley Crüe.
-Does it...
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Oh. wow. This is...
You're hearing it now, Mötley Crüe. Wow.
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They never been my thing. Uh-uh. Nah.
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It was too... Too plastic, man.
It was... Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Yeah. Well, you're obviously...
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You also have a much lower
body fat percentage
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than Vince Neil does right now.
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I didn't say that.
That came outta your mouth, okay?
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That did.
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And Vince probably will come after me.
It'll be a slow walk to get me, but...
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- Well, Erik,
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you seem like, uh, the genuine thing.
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You seem like a dang good guy.
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Well, thanks, man.
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Don't stick your hand in a cage
anytime soon.
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Do that every day.
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Oh, okay. Well, just do it,
you know, just a finger or two is fine.
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Yeah. I've been down that road, too.
It's really not that bad.
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You know what I tell everybody?
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People ask, "Does it hurt?"
It's like, "Yeah, it hurts.
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Until it stops, and then you're good."
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Well, thank you again.
Anything else you'd like to add?
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No matter what anybody else says,
okay, yeah,
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all my teeth are jacked up.
I'm sorry, I'm old, man.
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It's what happens.
It's gonna happen to you, too.
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And no, I don’t do meth. I never have.
I like sleeping too much.
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I used to have a drinking problem.
Now I do not.
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So, ah, fuck all y'all, man.
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These two Tiger King participants
either stole the zoo or saved the zoo.
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But either way you look at it,
they have an open marriage.
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It's Jeff and Lauren Lowe, everybody.
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Thank you so much for coming on.
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I have a big question for you, Jeff,
right off the top.
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How many Affliction t-shirts do you own?
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I bet you I've got 60 or 70.
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That's terrifying.
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The zoo is shut down, obviously,
right now, because of the pandemic?
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-Yes. Mmm-hmm.
-Yes.
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Are the tigers
keeping six feet away from each other?
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Um, you know, most of them do.
But every once in a while,
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you'll hear some hanky-panky
going on out there.
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Some of them are breaking the rules.
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And how's the nanny working out?
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-The nanny's excellent.
-She's hot.
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Yeah, she's excellent.You've seen her.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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The first thing it says
when you type in "Jeff" now on Google,
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it just says "Jeff Lowe Nanny."
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We gotta look that up.
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When you guys look back on the series...
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Obviously, now it's the phenomenon.
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Were you happy
about how you were portrayed?
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No. I mean, I think they tried
to sensationalize the story a little bit
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to give it a villain.
And villain is right here.
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You did say, Jeff, everybodystarts out well with you and ends bad.
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All these guys come to me
when they're in trouble, like Joe.
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And then as soon as I help 'em,
and I no longer help them,
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-they turn on me.
-They backstab.
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You know what, I'm getting used to it.
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I don’t know where you found Allen,
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but he's the most terrifying person
I've ever seen on camera.
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-You know, he's the kindest...
-He is the sweetest.
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He's the sweetest hitman
you ever could hire.
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He's got the eyes of a wolf, to me.
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It scares the hell outta me.
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A question from a Facebook fan.
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"Whose brilliant idea was it
for Allen to be filmed in the bathtub?"
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I don’t have an answer for that.
'Cause when we saw that, we were like...
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"What the hell is going on?"
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I think Erik, for some reason,
wanted to see Allen in a bathtub.
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It was hot and terrifying
all at the same time.
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-Kinda slexy, wasn't it?
-How many times have you guys watched it?
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-One painful time.
-One time.
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We watched it, like two hours...
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Like, oh, I don’t know,
we woke up at probably about five o'clock
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just to get a bit of a head start on it
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before really anyone else watched it,
just so we knew what we were facing.
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Do you have more biker jackets
than you do Affliction shirts?
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I don’t think I saw the same jacket twice
during the series.
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-I have quite a few, um...
-Yeah.
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You know, and I started
wearing the leather because of the tigers.
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We don’t declaw, and my arms were just
getting ripped all to hell, so I always...
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Now, it's just that I'm Fonzie.
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Jeff, how do you respond to people
who say that Joe was set up?
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It's a complete crock of shit.
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You guys saw all the videos
that Joe was posting.
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-Joe was his own worst enemy.
-Yeah.
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He should have gone on the stand
and testified against himself.
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Those videos where he's shooting Carole,
hanging Carole, blowing Carole up...
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-The blow-up dolls.
-...putting rattlesnakes in her mailbox.
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"Who's gonna finish this bitch?"
"Who's gonna go get this bitch?"
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Joe didn't get set up.
Joe killed the tigers,
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he admitted
to killing the tigers from jail.
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-Um... Uh...
-And they were healthy tigers.
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-They were two to three years old.
-He said they were sick.
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They were beautiful, healthy tigers
that he called over to the fence
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and he shot 'em in the head
because he needed the cage space.
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So Joe goes out there
and makes the room for these cats
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by killing five beautiful, healthy tigers.
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Do you remember,
they said they found a bug,
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the antenna
that was coming out of the office?
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-Were you there when that happened?
-Oh, my God!
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That's a crock of shit.
That's a two-way radio antenna.
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That's for our radio systems here.
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I think that John Reinke put...
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It's one of those magnetic antennas
that... Josh Dial said that.
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James Garretson implied that
he had more dirt on you
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as he rode off into the sunset
on that jet ski to "Eye of the Tiger."
212
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Wasn't that sexy?
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-That was...
-He is a sexy man.
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Are you worried at allabout that?
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Not at all, because what James Garretson
fails to remember is I know the truth.
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-I know why he cooperated with the feds.
-Yeah.
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-It wasn't over a lemur. Trust me.
-Exactly.
218
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We went to my attorneys
and my attorney said,
219
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"You know what? With this information,
I have to go to the feds."
220
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Did you report James Garretson's
hairdresser to the feds?
221
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Yeah.
222
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I gotta ask. Do you think
Carole killed her ex-husband?
223
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-Abso-fucking-lutely.
-Yeah.
224
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And there's no question in my mind
that she did it
225
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and, you know, we've claimed that
for years and years and years.
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What's more disturbing,
227
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the fact that Carole may have killed
her ex-husband
228
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or her wedding photos with Howard?
229
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Ooh!
230
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I don’t even know
what to say to Howard about that.
231
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That's almost more disturbing
than the murder.
232
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Joe is obviously more famous
than he ever could have possibly imagined.
233
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How difficult do you think it is for him
to be locked away right now?
234
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Well, we're getting reports
that he's trying to get to a computer
235
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so he can respond to his fans.
236
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You know, this is the notoriety and fame
that Joe always wanted.
237
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And it's pretty ironic
that now he's stuck in a cage
238
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and can't even enjoy it.
239
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He's where he belongs and I would probably
just tell him, you know, "Gotcha."
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The USDA tried to take him down.
PETA has tried to take him down.
241
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-Humane Society tried to take...
-Carole Baskin tried.
242
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Carole Baskin spent $2.5 million
trying to take him down.
243
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And we're the ones that did it.
244
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Would you guys do another
series of episodes if it was offered?
245
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I don’t know.
246
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They can't attack me legitimately,
247
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so they try to associate me
to every criminal since El Chapo.
248
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And it's just not fair.
249
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Are you saying that
you worked with El Chapo?
250
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- Only to help dig the tunnels.
- No.
251
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He managed the zoo
252
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and managed to keep up with Joe
even though he has no legs.
253
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John Reinke.
254
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John, thank you for coming back.How are you doing?
255
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I'm doing good. Thanks for having me.
256
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Did you ever imagine anything like this?
257
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No. No, I couldn't imagine.
And I'm not a star.
258
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I just done a documentary.
I can't imagine how...
259
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You're a star, not me. I can't imagine
how y'all deal with this every day.
260
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Well, I was a star...
2009 was a big year for me.
261
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Everyone seems so committed to their jobsand they love the cats so much.
262
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Would you say you were committed to Joeor the animals?
263
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Definitely the animals.
264
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When my legs actually got bad,
and I had to have the other one amputated,
265
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it kept me going. I looked forwardto taking care of the animals.
266
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Seeing the ones that I've raisedand watched them grow up.
267
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Animals don’t give you any crap,just people.
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Yeah, animals don’t give you any crap,
but they might bite you
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and you might die
from a tremendous tiger bite.
270
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That's one of the slight hazardsof the job.
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Did Joe realizehow important you were to the zoo?
272
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To keep it going?
273
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Um, I don’t think so.
'Cause numerous times,
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he had told me
that I couldn't run the zoo.
275
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That I wouldn't know how to run the zoo.
276
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Um, numerous times he told me that.
277
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He always tried to keep everybody
smaller than him.
278
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Right. Did you ever say anything like,
279
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"You don’t know
how to pick a hairdresser"?
280
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No, his mullet was pretty much...
That was pretty much him.
281
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That's his insignia so...
282
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But you clearly loved...
You liked working there.
283
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You worked there for a long time and yet,
Joe seemed to be quite an asshole.
284
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And how do you rectify that?
285
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Yeah, he just kinda just...
286
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You just look at your day
and you just go on with it.
287
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We got into plenty of verbal fights,
288
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um, but he was always belittling somebody.
289
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I mean, always. I mean...
290
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He just got to where
it was all about the cameras
291
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and he would fire somebody
just because he needed to fire somebody.
292
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Whoa. That...
293
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Did you ever want to take one of your legs
and throw it at him?
294
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Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I've threatened to beat him before.
295
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The man done a lotta stupid shit.
296
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I mean, towards the end, he got to where
he's blowing everything up.
297
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I mean, hell, he blew up my golf cart
and my damn cabin. I mean...
298
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-He did?
-Yeah. Yeah.
299
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Knocked the windshield
out of my golf cart.
300
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Blew a hole in my cabin.
Yeah. Blew a window out.
301
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Jeff Lowe took over the zoo from Joe.
Did you get along with Jeff?
302
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I did at first, but then he thought
I was talking to Joe
303
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while Joe was incarcerated.
304
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And I quit the same day Joe quit
305
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because Jeff and Dillon
got in a fist fight in the parking lot
306
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and they rolled around for 15 minutes,
307
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and that's when I made my decision
to leave the same day.
308
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Yeah, and that's a very long fist fight,
15 minutes.
309
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-That sounds like...
-Yeah.
310
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...two of the worst fist-fighters
I've ever heard of.
311
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A fan on Facebookwants to ask you
312
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who the skeleton was
in the passenger seat of your car?
313
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That was my only friend at the time.
314
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I'm an asshole just like Joe is.
I mean, it's... You know, I just...
315
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I don’t hang out with people
because people stab you in the back.
316
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Now that you're on
the most popular documentary in history,
317
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how has your...
What is it like to go out now?
318
00:15:12,878 --> 00:15:15,114
Uh, it's a lot different, actually.
319
00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:17,917
You're just waiting on somebody
to come up to you, uh...
320
00:15:17,983 --> 00:15:19,418
They don’t care about the COVID.
321
00:15:19,485 --> 00:15:23,656
They want to shake your hand, get
a picture with you. Um, it's pretty crazy.
322
00:15:23,722 --> 00:15:27,493
So, can they tell you're coming,
'cause they can see the painted legs?
323
00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:30,963
- Do they immediately know it's you?- Yeah.
324
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:32,731
I mean, I haven't worn pants in...
325
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I wore pants to the sentencing,
but other than that,
326
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I haven’t worn pants in decades.
I don’t wear pants.
327
00:15:37,303 --> 00:15:39,138
-So I got my legs all dressed up.
-Right.
328
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People need to see them.
329
00:15:40,239 --> 00:15:45,210
Do you know that those pants are probably
very valuable now if you still have them?
330
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They probably are. I do still have them,
331
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,416
'cause I'm sure
I'm gonna go back to court over this.
332
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-It's not over.
-You think you're gonna go back?
333
00:15:52,985 --> 00:15:56,121
-Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
-Because of Joe's appeals?
334
00:15:56,188 --> 00:15:57,189
Joe's appeal.
335
00:15:57,256 --> 00:16:00,926
I haven't heard an ending
to this case yet, so, who knows.
336
00:16:00,993 --> 00:16:03,262
Have you hadany contact with Joe at all?
337
00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:04,396
I have not.
338
00:16:04,463 --> 00:16:09,301
I have refrained from contacting that man
because he don’t know how to shut up.
339
00:16:09,368 --> 00:16:12,037
And he'll just keep talking,
and everything's recorded.
340
00:16:12,104 --> 00:16:17,376
Now, I'm sure when this pandemic lifts,
there's gonna be a movie of you guys.
341
00:16:17,443 --> 00:16:18,777
So, who should play you?
342
00:16:18,844 --> 00:16:22,281
- I'm sticking with Matthew McConaughey.
- To play you?
343
00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:25,617
Because a lot of people are talkingabout McConaughey to play Joe.
344
00:16:25,684 --> 00:16:28,487
I... Yeah, I don’t know
about that, you know...
345
00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,190
-You have a new wife?
-No, I have a girlfriend.
346
00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:34,526
I'm actually not divorced yet
'cause of COVID, that all got put off.
347
00:16:34,593 --> 00:16:36,829
If we get back to a normal routine,
I can get divorced
348
00:16:36,895 --> 00:16:38,497
and I have a new girlfriend now.
349
00:16:38,564 --> 00:16:39,498
And how's it going?
350
00:16:39,565 --> 00:16:42,601
It's going great.I'm the happiest I've been in a long time.
351
00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:45,804
Is she like,
"I can't believe I'm dating a celebrity"?
352
00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:51,443
Yeah. We're both actually saying that.
I don’t consider myself a celebrity.
353
00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:54,313
I just think I'm a guy
on a damn documentary. I don’t know.
354
00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:56,915
The one person on this show
355
00:16:56,982 --> 00:17:00,386
who should never have trouble
getting hired anywhere.
356
00:17:00,452 --> 00:17:03,522
He really gives it all for his job, Saff.
357
00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:06,592
Saff, thank you for calling in.
358
00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:09,228
It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me.
359
00:17:09,294 --> 00:17:11,764
Has your life changed at all
since it was released?
360
00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:14,233
It has, in a sense of, um,
361
00:17:14,299 --> 00:17:17,036
I don’t have any anonymity.
362
00:17:17,102 --> 00:17:20,339
I have been recognized in public places,
which is new to me.
363
00:17:20,406 --> 00:17:22,274
When was the first time
you were recognized?
364
00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:26,845
I was walking through Walmart
on a late-night run.
365
00:17:26,912 --> 00:17:28,280
Should've only took me ten minutes,
366
00:17:28,347 --> 00:17:32,217
but I was stopped three times,
during a pandemic, in Walmart.
367
00:17:32,284 --> 00:17:37,456
You clearly love the animals
and you seem very committed to your job.
368
00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:40,459
Were you more loyal
to Joe or to the animals?
369
00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:41,693
Definitely the animals.
370
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,462
It seemed like I was loyal to him,
371
00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:46,665
I think, because he was
the big head of everything.
372
00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:49,668
But everything I sacrificedwas for the animals.
373
00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:53,906
Joe admitted
to shooting some of the tigers, outright.
374
00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:55,607
Were you outraged by that?
375
00:17:56,241 --> 00:17:58,977
Yes, uh... Obviously, I was.
376
00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:02,681
But at that point,
it's out of my control.
377
00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:05,451
Joe always had
a way of explaining his actions.
378
00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:10,889
So, "They were old, they were injured,
they were suffering," is what we got.
379
00:18:10,956 --> 00:18:13,492
After seeing all the episodes,
has it changed your views
380
00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:16,862
on whether these animals
should be kept in captivity?
381
00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:19,498
I never thought
that they should be kept in captivity.
382
00:18:19,565 --> 00:18:20,899
But I knew the reality of it,
383
00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:24,236
and the reality of it is,
they cannot be returned to the wild.
384
00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:27,239
And there's not much of a wild
for them to return to.
385
00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:29,308
Saff, you identify as a man.
386
00:18:29,374 --> 00:18:33,178
Were you upset when they kept referring
to you as "she" on the show?
387
00:18:33,245 --> 00:18:36,515
I don’t think it bothered me
as much as it bothered everyone else.
388
00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,951
Um, I didn't really
pay it any mind.
389
00:18:39,017 --> 00:18:44,123
One of the biggest moments in the show
is when your arm is horribly injured.
390
00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:46,358
And...
391
00:18:46,425 --> 00:18:50,195
And you laugh. Yes, the horrible injury
you suffered, it's hilarious.
392
00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:52,764
I've seen a couple of interviews
you've done
393
00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:57,302
and you don’t seem to have any regrets
about it getting taken off.
394
00:18:57,870 --> 00:19:01,740
No, I don’t. I know I made
the right decision when I made it
395
00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:04,009
and I would make that decisionover and over again.
396
00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:05,911
So, no, I don’t have any regrets.
397
00:19:06,578 --> 00:19:10,682
When you got injured, did you go, "Oh, no,
398
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:15,687
a man with a bleached mullet,
who's not an EMT and dressed like one,
399
00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:17,256
is gonna try to save my life"?
400
00:19:17,322 --> 00:19:20,893
Yeah. No, I don’t think I even remember
what he was wearing on the day.
401
00:19:20,959 --> 00:19:24,963
I had more pressing priorities
to worry about.
402
00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:28,167
I assumed that it was
almost instantaneous when it happened?
403
00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:31,170
Or did the tiger fight you for your arm?
404
00:19:31,236 --> 00:19:35,007
Oh, no. There's no fight
between me and a 600-pound tiger. No.
405
00:19:35,073 --> 00:19:37,776
It took all of 15 to 20 seconds maybe,
406
00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:40,579
from the time he bit me
to the moment he let me go.
407
00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:44,383
Wow. Did you... Was it awkward
with the cat afterwards?
408
00:19:44,816 --> 00:19:49,621
Um, no, not for me,
and I would never know from him.
409
00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:51,623
We did have to obviously move him,
410
00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:54,126
so his life did change drastically
in that sense.
411
00:19:55,127 --> 00:19:58,997
But he didn't look at your right arm
and start licking his chops or anything?
412
00:19:59,064 --> 00:20:01,300
Not in front of me. No.
413
00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:03,969
Now, did you watch
the actual footage of the attack?
414
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:06,371
I have. Over and over. Yes, sir.
415
00:20:06,438 --> 00:20:09,107
Oh, my gosh! Over and over?
416
00:20:09,174 --> 00:20:13,011
There was a time and place where
we actually used it as a safety video.
417
00:20:13,078 --> 00:20:15,147
Did he evergive you any money for that?
418
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:17,149
Or was he like, "No fuckin' way!"?
419
00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:23,422
No, I mean, we didn't even have
any further of a conversation than,
420
00:20:23,488 --> 00:20:26,925
"This should be the one thing
people need to see before they decide
421
00:20:26,992 --> 00:20:29,461
if this is a career move they wanna make."
422
00:20:29,528 --> 00:20:32,364
Can you tell us the story
of the Thanksgiving dinner?
423
00:20:32,431 --> 00:20:35,601
- Was there more to that than we saw?
- Yes, there definitely was.
424
00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:37,002
They showed him serving it,
425
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:39,371
but they never explained
what he was doing.
426
00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:43,842
He fed people for free,
a full Thanksgiving dinner
427
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:47,579
that him and his family cooked,
you know, for the entire night prior.
428
00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:52,551
Every single year since I've been there,
and I've been there for almost ten years.
429
00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:54,953
I've seen him give
the jacket off his back for people.
430
00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:57,489
And I think
that wasn't highlighted enough.
431
00:20:57,556 --> 00:21:00,792
Joe did a lotta messed up stuff.
That's a fact, and that's shown,
432
00:21:00,859 --> 00:21:02,728
and now the entire world knows it.
433
00:21:02,794 --> 00:21:04,663
But he did a lotta good things, too.
434
00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:06,398
Who would you trust first again,
435
00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:09,334
Joe Exotic or the tiger
who bit your arm off?
436
00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:12,638
The tiger.
I never stopped trusting the tiger.
437
00:21:12,738 --> 00:21:16,508
And this isa Facebook fan question.
438
00:21:16,575 --> 00:21:18,944
Do you think
that Joe deserves to be in jail?
439
00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:21,413
I think, uh, justice was served.
440
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,149
But I still don’t wanna see that man
die in prison.
441
00:21:24,216 --> 00:21:26,752
Now, big huge serious question,
442
00:21:26,818 --> 00:21:30,789
'cause the Internet
has been casting this movie.
443
00:21:30,856 --> 00:21:32,457
Who should play you?
444
00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,861
I mean, I still go back to the kid
445
00:21:35,927 --> 00:21:38,330
who played Johnny Tsunami
just because of looks.
446
00:21:38,397 --> 00:21:40,666
- Right.
- I mean, he looks just like me, so...
447
00:21:40,732 --> 00:21:44,002
I'm gonna pitch Ken Jeong that he should...
He's just gonna...
448
00:21:44,069 --> 00:21:46,772
- That would be so amazing.
- ...have to have a lot of makeup.
449
00:21:46,838 --> 00:21:50,108
'Cause you're very young,
but he's a very old man,
450
00:21:50,175 --> 00:21:53,312
so he's gonna really
have to use some prosthetics.
451
00:21:54,546 --> 00:21:57,549
When this young man
wanted to pursue a career in politics,
452
00:21:57,616 --> 00:22:00,886
no one told him
that would mean sleeping in a zoo.
453
00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:04,189
He's Joe Exotic's
campaign manager, Josh Dial.
454
00:22:04,256 --> 00:22:06,325
Josh, thanks for coming on. How are you?
455
00:22:06,391 --> 00:22:08,860
Hey, I'm doing good. Glad to be here.
456
00:22:08,927 --> 00:22:13,398
How long were you with Joe
while the cameras were following you?
457
00:22:13,465 --> 00:22:18,437
When the folks first started filming Joe,
I was already working for Joe.
458
00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:23,275
So, I've known the producers
and directors, you know, since day one.
459
00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,544
The way they did this documentary,
460
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:29,881
it's fair, it's balanced and I just think
it's a wonderful production.
461
00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:34,686
Right. I mean, it's funny 'cause Jeff Lowe
has issues about how it's put together.
462
00:22:34,753 --> 00:22:36,722
Well, the truth hurts. The truth hurts.
463
00:22:36,788 --> 00:22:41,293
You obviously knew who Joe was
464
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,096
before you ever started working for him.
465
00:22:44,162 --> 00:22:45,597
-How did you see him?
-Sure.
466
00:22:45,664 --> 00:22:47,466
What was your opinion before you met him?
467
00:22:47,532 --> 00:22:50,268
That he was batshit crazy.
468
00:22:50,335 --> 00:22:53,438
And I knew walking up to that zoo,
looking for a job,
469
00:22:53,505 --> 00:22:56,975
that I was gonna be working
for a batshit crazy person,
470
00:22:57,075 --> 00:23:01,646
um, who was very shady
as far as his business dealings went.
471
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:05,484
Um, but I did it anyway.
I mean, how often do you get to say,
472
00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:07,552
"Hey, I'm running for governor,
473
00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:10,589
and I want you to bein charge of my entire campaign"?
474
00:23:10,655 --> 00:23:12,591
I mean, that's so hard to turn down,
475
00:23:12,657 --> 00:23:14,960
especially sinceI'm a Political Science major.
476
00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:17,162
I got a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
477
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:22,834
I got to hold baby tigers, lemurs,
take care of baby animals in my office.
478
00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:28,306
I once saw a guy get his finger bit off
by a bear outside my office window.
479
00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:30,876
I mean, stuff that I'll never see again
in my life.
480
00:23:30,942 --> 00:23:34,479
Josh, you lived at the zoo.
What was it like?
481
00:23:34,546 --> 00:23:39,551
The best part was the lions,
every morning they did their roars.
482
00:23:39,618 --> 00:23:41,987
So about seven,
eight o'clock in the morning,
483
00:23:42,053 --> 00:23:44,055
which would be time to get up anyways,
484
00:23:44,122 --> 00:23:47,859
all the windows in the house
would rattle with the noise
485
00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:50,862
and the reverberation
of the lions' voices.
486
00:23:50,929 --> 00:23:56,701
Our alarm clocks was, you know,
30, 40 lions all roaring at once.
487
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:58,069
-It was amazing.
-Yeah.
488
00:23:58,136 --> 00:24:02,174
I only have two lions here at my house
in Studio City, California.
489
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,341
That's not nearly as cool.
490
00:24:04,643 --> 00:24:07,045
Did Joe ever try anything romantically
with you?
491
00:24:07,646 --> 00:24:12,651
No. No. Joe's type is young and dumb.
492
00:24:12,717 --> 00:24:16,221
He wants them 17, 18 years old.
493
00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:20,826
And me, as a 31-year-old person,
I aged out about 12 years ago.
494
00:24:20,892 --> 00:24:23,795
So I never had to worry
about anything like that with Joe.
495
00:24:23,862 --> 00:24:27,866
You were in the room
when Travis shot himself.
496
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:29,468
Tell us about that.
497
00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:32,504
The thing is,
I had to go in that office every day
498
00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:34,005
and sit in that same chair
499
00:24:34,072 --> 00:24:37,175
and look at that bullet hole in the wall
every day for a year-and-a-half
500
00:24:37,242 --> 00:24:39,311
after Travis killed himself.
501
00:24:39,377 --> 00:24:41,279
And I never was able to get counseling
502
00:24:41,346 --> 00:24:44,249
'cause Joe didn't help me
and neither did Jeff Lowe.
503
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,952
Um, so, what my plan is,
504
00:24:47,018 --> 00:24:49,387
hopefully I might be able
to raise some money,
505
00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:52,591
enough to get me some counseling,
get all my meds.
506
00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:55,026
And once I'm back stable and ready to go,
507
00:24:55,093 --> 00:24:57,395
I want to jump back
into campaigning for sure.
508
00:24:57,462 --> 00:25:02,567
Obviously, that moment is
the most tragic moment of the whole show.
509
00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:05,170
When he walked in, was he talking to you?
510
00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:06,571
Yeah, we were talking.
511
00:25:06,638 --> 00:25:10,509
He was telling me about his gun.
Joe just bought him a Ruger.
512
00:25:10,575 --> 00:25:13,512
He said, "Hey, you know,
a Ruger won't fire without a clip."
513
00:25:13,578 --> 00:25:16,882
And I said, "Really?" And he said, "Yeah."
514
00:25:16,948 --> 00:25:20,185
Right then, he put the gun to his head
and pulled the trigger,
515
00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:22,687
to prove to me
that it wouldn't fire without a clip.
516
00:25:22,754 --> 00:25:25,123
However, it must have had
one in the chamber.
517
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:26,525
Do you think he had any intention
518
00:25:26,591 --> 00:25:29,094
of deliberately shooting himself
in that moment?
519
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,365
No. No, 'cause I was looking at him
in the eyes when he did it
520
00:25:33,431 --> 00:25:36,601
and I could see the surprise
and the fear in his eyes.
521
00:25:36,668 --> 00:25:39,337
I could see that...
I mean, basically, translated,
522
00:25:39,404 --> 00:25:42,140
he's like, "Oh, crap. What did I just do?"
523
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:46,545
I mean, maybe five seconds of his eyes
I could read it and then he was gone.
524
00:25:47,445 --> 00:25:49,981
-Oh, my gosh. Uh...
-Yeah.
525
00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:53,885
Someone on Facebook asked,
"Did anyone think to get Joe counseling
526
00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:56,154
after Travis' death?"
527
00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:58,557
Was that a thing that Joe even considered?
528
00:25:58,623 --> 00:26:01,960
What Joe did is he spoke to a shaman.
529
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,095
Did that do anything, did you think?
530
00:26:04,162 --> 00:26:06,765
No. I felt like it worsened his condition.
531
00:26:06,831 --> 00:26:10,001
You know, I'm all for holistic approaches,
532
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:13,905
but sometimes you need
real legitimate counseling and medication.
533
00:26:13,972 --> 00:26:15,373
He wasn't getting it.
534
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,944
Were you surprised
when he was found guilty on all 19 counts?
535
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:21,446
Uh, no. No, I wasn't. I wasn't.
536
00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:27,052
People in Oklahoma hate Joe Exotic.
He's gay. This is a very red state,
537
00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:29,588
um, and us gay folk are very...
538
00:26:29,654 --> 00:26:31,690
We're almost an endangered species here.
539
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:35,293
But other reasons, you know,
animal violations, stuff like that.
540
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,364
Do you think Carole's sanctuary,
as it's called,
541
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,500
do you think it's a better set-upthan Joe's zoo?
542
00:26:42,567 --> 00:26:45,337
Or do you see them
as pretty much the same?
543
00:26:45,403 --> 00:26:47,372
They're the same. They're all the same.
544
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:49,341
All these animal folks are the same.
545
00:26:49,407 --> 00:26:51,076
All they care about is that money.
546
00:26:51,142 --> 00:26:54,579
Has there been anything
that was put out on the Internet
547
00:26:54,646 --> 00:26:56,214
that you disagree with strongly?
548
00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,784
I don't do drugs. Like, I've had
a lot of people being mean to me,
549
00:26:59,851 --> 00:27:03,788
like, saying I do meth and stuff. I guess
'cause I'm associated with Joe Exotic.
550
00:27:03,855 --> 00:27:05,991
I've never touched the stuff
a day in my life.
551
00:27:06,057 --> 00:27:09,127
And that's really what hurts.
I wanna clear that up.
552
00:27:09,761 --> 00:27:13,698
Joe obviously wantedto be famous. And now he is...
553
00:27:13,765 --> 00:27:15,266
- Sure.- ...probably more famous
554
00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:16,501
than he ever imagined.
555
00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:17,869
Do you think he even knows
556
00:27:17,936 --> 00:27:19,838
- the scope of his fame now?
- Oh, yeah.
557
00:27:19,904 --> 00:27:22,207
He's communicating
with some of his old fans,
558
00:27:22,273 --> 00:27:24,643
and he's having them run Facebook pages.
559
00:27:24,709 --> 00:27:28,947
So he's getting... He's getting
all the messages people are sending.
560
00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:32,017
All the money people are raising for him,
he's getting all that.
561
00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:35,887
Yeah. He's in the loop on this,
and he's loving every minute of it.
562
00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:37,255
-I guarantee that.
-He is.
563
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,924
On camera, you said, "Fuck the feds."
564
00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:42,060
-Are you...
-Yeah, fuck the feds.
565
00:27:42,127 --> 00:27:45,363
Are you worried
about saying stuff like that?
566
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:49,034
Yeah, I mean, I am definitely.
It definitely gives me some worry.
567
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,970
I don't know very many people
that do like the feds.
568
00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:53,004
I mean,
569
00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:56,041
the federal government's failed us
on so many levels.
570
00:27:56,107 --> 00:28:00,178
So, you know, I have no problem
saying it once again. Fuck the feds.
571
00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:03,581
They need to be working for us.
Their paychecks come from us.
572
00:28:03,648 --> 00:28:06,918
Their tax money that they blow,
it comes from us.
573
00:28:06,985 --> 00:28:09,688
So I feel like I have every right
as an American to say,
574
00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:11,556
"Fuck the feds. Do your job."
575
00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:12,824
You heard it, folks.
576
00:28:13,558 --> 00:28:17,328
And now, let's hear from one of the men
who captured Joe Exotic's heart.
577
00:28:17,395 --> 00:28:20,298
One-third of the Tiger King throuple.
578
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,735
He was a man of few words
and even fewer teeth.
579
00:28:23,802 --> 00:28:26,071
But as you're about to see,
that's all changed.
580
00:28:26,137 --> 00:28:28,873
Well, some of that's changed.
Here is John Finlay.
581
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:31,876
Now, there's something...I'm looking at you, there's something...
582
00:28:33,111 --> 00:28:35,180
different-looking about you.
583
00:28:35,246 --> 00:28:37,148
That's right. You're wearing a shirt.
584
00:28:37,215 --> 00:28:39,217
No, I'm kidding. And congrats on your...
585
00:28:39,284 --> 00:28:41,219
-teeth look amazing.
-Thank you.
586
00:28:41,286 --> 00:28:45,824
It took a while to get 'em,
but once I actually got 'em,
587
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:49,694
it took me a while to get 'em to
where I was able to really wear 'em.
588
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:52,530
And now I pretty much
wear 'em all the time.
589
00:28:52,597 --> 00:28:55,333
They look amazing. And the, uh...
590
00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:59,003
I don't know what you call that,
the goatee, the Van Dyke, is...
591
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:03,441
You look like a character out of a...
A mythical cowboy,
592
00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:05,310
like a mythical Western. I love it.
593
00:29:05,376 --> 00:29:07,679
In the documentary,
you had a lot of tattoos
594
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:11,182
and you had a big tattooon the lower part of your stomach,
595
00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:14,119
covering another tattoo.
How is that healing?
596
00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:17,255
You know, it is completely finished.
597
00:29:17,322 --> 00:29:19,858
It's still kind of in the healing process.
598
00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:23,228
But a lot of people
are dissing the tattoo artist.
599
00:29:23,294 --> 00:29:24,195
Really?
600
00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:27,932
Oh, yes. They are dissing
my tattoo artist, like, hard core.
601
00:29:27,999 --> 00:29:31,669
-Why?
-Because in the documentary,
602
00:29:31,736 --> 00:29:33,104
they showed it not finished.
603
00:29:34,038 --> 00:29:38,309
I've actually had it
completely finished since then.
604
00:29:38,376 --> 00:29:41,079
It looks 100 times better
than what it did,
605
00:29:41,146 --> 00:29:44,983
and it will be revealed,
but I don't know when.
606
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:46,718
So you, obviously,
607
00:29:47,719 --> 00:29:49,220
were in a relationship with Joe
608
00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:53,658
and involved with a womanwho worked at the zoo.
609
00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:56,127
Were there a lot of people
hooking up at the zoo?
610
00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:58,129
From what I understand, yes.
611
00:29:58,196 --> 00:30:01,533
I've seen a lot of relationships form
because of it
612
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,436
and I've seen a lot of relationships end
because of what was going on.
613
00:30:05,503 --> 00:30:08,606
Would you say, "Meet me
in the tiger cage number four
614
00:30:08,673 --> 00:30:12,510
and we'll just try to avoid
the 400-pound cat while we do it"?
615
00:30:12,577 --> 00:30:14,012
How did it work?
616
00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:16,748
I don't know anything about that.
617
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,952
Okay. All right.So, going back, so Joe,
618
00:30:21,019 --> 00:30:25,590
he dedicated a song to you,
and was it flattering?
619
00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:28,526
Was it embarrassing? Was it alarming?
620
00:30:28,593 --> 00:30:30,528
Do you remember the words?
621
00:30:30,595 --> 00:30:33,998
Um, no,
I don't exactly remember the words.
622
00:30:34,065 --> 00:30:37,001
Some of them were bad.
Some of them were great.
623
00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:40,371
Some of them were just way off the wall.
624
00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:42,373
And that, clearly not his voice.
625
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,976
There's been tons of press
about it not being his voice.
626
00:30:45,043 --> 00:30:46,711
That is not him singing.
627
00:30:46,778 --> 00:30:50,081
How quicklydid you watch the documentary
628
00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:51,783
after it came out?
629
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:55,753
I actually watched it that night,
and me and my fiancée
630
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:57,722
both binge-watched it in seven hours.
631
00:30:57,789 --> 00:31:01,426
Wow! Netflix is very happy to hear that.
632
00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:05,263
I had to know what was on it,
and so did she.
633
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:09,734
And we had to be kind of prepared to know
what was gonna go on.
634
00:31:09,801 --> 00:31:14,005
How else are you supposed to know what's
going on without watching something?
635
00:31:14,072 --> 00:31:16,908
Were you happy
about how you were portrayed?
636
00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:20,345
No, I was not. I mean, I was portrayed
637
00:31:20,411 --> 00:31:25,850
as a drugged-out hillbilly,
and that was not me then.
638
00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:30,255
I've been... At that time,
I was four to five years clean.
639
00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:32,056
So, you had quit while you were with Joe?
640
00:31:32,123 --> 00:31:33,491
When my daughter was born,
641
00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:40,231
I decided to never touch
another drug ever again.
642
00:31:40,298 --> 00:31:41,399
Very cool.
643
00:31:41,466 --> 00:31:42,700
How old's your daughter?
644
00:31:42,767 --> 00:31:45,637
She's four right now, almost five.
645
00:31:45,703 --> 00:31:46,938
No tattoos yet?
646
00:31:47,005 --> 00:31:48,973
Just a couple of placeholders, maybe?
647
00:31:49,173 --> 00:31:51,576
Uh, none that I know of.
648
00:31:52,877 --> 00:31:55,747
How do you tell somebodythat you're falling in love with...
649
00:31:56,814 --> 00:31:59,450
You go, "Hey, remember that guy
650
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:03,554
that ran for governor and he had
that big cat zoo, and the bleached mullet?
651
00:32:03,621 --> 00:32:06,824
Yeah? Well, I used to be married
to that guy."
652
00:32:06,891 --> 00:32:08,126
How does that go down?
653
00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:11,362
You know, we've never held anything back
from each other.
654
00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:13,965
We tell each other
everything that goes on.
655
00:32:14,032 --> 00:32:18,303
The big distinct featurein your interviews was always
656
00:32:18,369 --> 00:32:20,071
that you were shirtless.
657
00:32:20,138 --> 00:32:22,373
So, why were you shirtless the whole time?
658
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,374
I got tattoos.
659
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:25,510
Why not show off and...
660
00:32:25,576 --> 00:32:28,613
I mean, it was a little cold,
but it was fun.
661
00:32:29,981 --> 00:32:33,851
Yeah. Hey. Well, that's why I'm shirtless
for this interview.
662
00:32:36,854 --> 00:32:39,691
Right now,
I'm gonna speak to Rick Kirkham.
663
00:32:39,757 --> 00:32:43,661
You know Rick. He's the guy
right at the beginning of the documentary
664
00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:46,931
who looks like
he's in some sort of badass Western.
665
00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:51,069
He wears that cool hat.
He smokes indoors.
666
00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:53,204
It's Rick Kirkham, ladies and gentlemen.
667
00:32:53,304 --> 00:32:56,441
- Uh, Rick, how's it going?
- I'm doing fine.
668
00:32:56,507 --> 00:32:59,110
A little cold here in Norway.
How are you doing?
669
00:32:59,177 --> 00:33:01,779
I'm well. What are you doing in Norway?
670
00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:02,814
Why did you move there?
671
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,017
First, it was the farthest distance
I could get away from Oklahoma
672
00:33:06,084 --> 00:33:07,185
and that zoo.
673
00:33:07,251 --> 00:33:10,355
Secondly, I fell in love
with a Norwegian girl a few years ago
674
00:33:10,421 --> 00:33:12,690
and thought I'd take advantage
of the disaster
675
00:33:12,757 --> 00:33:14,726
and just come marry her and move here.
676
00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:17,128
Has Tiger King mania reached Norway?
677
00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:20,631
Has Tiger King mania reached Norway?
Let me just show you.
678
00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:24,802
This is just the paper, the newspaper
that came out yesterday.
679
00:33:25,603 --> 00:33:29,607
Two pages of my picture on the front page.
680
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,976
-Yeah, it's hit Norway in a big way.
-Wow.
681
00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:33,344
It's number one in Norway.
682
00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:36,080
I can't even take a walk down at the fjord
683
00:33:36,147 --> 00:33:39,083
without somebody walking their dog,
coming by pointing, going,
684
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:43,488
"That's him! That's him!" in Norse.
"That Tiger King." You hear Tiger King,
685
00:33:43,554 --> 00:33:45,890
if I walk through the mall.
686
00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:49,994
Now, obviously, you've been producing
for many years.
687
00:33:50,061 --> 00:33:51,362
- Have you ever...
- Yeah.
688
00:33:51,429 --> 00:33:53,698
...been close to anything like this?
689
00:33:54,565 --> 00:33:56,534
You know, when I worked at Inside Edition,
690
00:33:56,601 --> 00:33:58,503
I started that show back in 1989,
691
00:33:58,569 --> 00:34:02,340
I got used to having a little bit of fame.I was there for eight years
692
00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:05,443
- and people pretty much knew who I was.
- Mmm-hmm.
693
00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:09,480
But I gotta tell you, nothing,
nothing compares to this series.
694
00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:13,418
This documentary series has...
It's become a phenomenon.
695
00:34:13,484 --> 00:34:17,555
Who's the more disturbed individual,
Joe Exotic or Bill O’Reilly?
696
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:22,627
Wow! You know what?
That is a great question, Joel.
697
00:34:22,693 --> 00:34:24,362
Great question. Well, let's see.
698
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:28,166
I would say that Joe Exotic is more evil
699
00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:31,135
and Bill O’Reilly is
more of just an asshole.
700
00:34:32,203 --> 00:34:34,305
How many years ago did you meet Joe?
701
00:34:34,372 --> 00:34:37,041
Joe had put an ad on craigslist,
702
00:34:37,108 --> 00:34:39,610
and it was such an outrageous ad.
703
00:34:39,677 --> 00:34:42,980
This guy plays with tigers,
he's a gay cowboy.
704
00:34:43,047 --> 00:34:45,850
He shoots his guns. So I called him.
705
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,486
Straight out he said,
"Rick, what the fuck do you want?"
706
00:34:48,553 --> 00:34:49,921
on the telephone. I said,
707
00:34:49,987 --> 00:34:52,790
"I wanna fucking come up
and talk to you about your show."
708
00:34:52,857 --> 00:34:55,193
And I went up that night
and I sat down with him
709
00:34:55,259 --> 00:34:58,262
and we talked about doing the show.
And I didn't bring anything.
710
00:34:58,329 --> 00:35:02,333
I was in the clothes I was wearing and,
boom, I was living inside a crazy zoo.
711
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,704
When did you first realizethe real danger
712
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:09,607
of his flamboyant persona?
713
00:35:09,674 --> 00:35:11,976
I mean, what was the moment
you went, "Oh, wait.
714
00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:14,745
This might... This might all go away"?
715
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,549
You know, um, I began...
About three months in,
716
00:35:18,616 --> 00:35:22,954
I began to see him do things to animals
that I knew was wrong.
717
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:24,589
And as I have admitted,
718
00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:29,627
I sold out my own journalistic integrity
by not just going to the authorities
719
00:35:29,694 --> 00:35:32,029
or to an animal rights activist
and saying,
720
00:35:32,096 --> 00:35:34,232
"Hey. You need to come in
and stop this guy."
721
00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:36,834
Because the things that I saw were wrong.
722
00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:40,738
There's a story that I've told
a few people about a horse.
723
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:43,207
This old woman had a horse,
in a horse trailer.
724
00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:45,943
She pulled in one day,
and she was really upset.
725
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:49,147
She was crying. And Joe turned around
and said, "Rick, go grab the camera.
726
00:35:49,213 --> 00:35:50,348
Videotape all of this."
727
00:35:50,414 --> 00:35:53,184
And Joe went up
and started giving her a hug.
728
00:35:53,251 --> 00:35:55,620
She said, "Joe, can you
please take care of my horse?
729
00:35:55,686 --> 00:35:59,790
He needs to go out to pasture and he's old
and can you give him a good life?"
730
00:35:59,857 --> 00:36:02,994
And Joe's like, "I have plenty of land.
Of course we will."
731
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,362
And she cried.
732
00:36:04,428 --> 00:36:07,899
He said, "Unhitch the horse trailer,
we'll bring it back to you tomorrow.
733
00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:10,234
We'll give the horse
a great little life out here."
734
00:36:10,301 --> 00:36:14,405
No sooner did that lady get off the park
than Joe said "Rick, follow me."
735
00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:16,240
Walked right up to the horse trailer,
736
00:36:16,307 --> 00:36:18,609
pulled the Western revolver
out of his holster,
737
00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:20,912
shot the horse dead and said,
738
00:36:20,978 --> 00:36:24,682
"I don't take care of nobody's animals.
And now, they're tiger meat."
739
00:36:24,749 --> 00:36:27,251
And he had the horse cut up
and fed to the tigers.
740
00:36:27,318 --> 00:36:30,721
It was unbelievably cruel.
Unbelievably cruel.
741
00:36:30,788 --> 00:36:33,324
That's un... It's unreal.
742
00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:36,027
Did you ever see him kill a lion or tiger?
743
00:36:36,093 --> 00:36:38,829
I did.
I saw him shoot two tigers, actually.
744
00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:40,965
One of them
because he was pissed off at the tiger
745
00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,368
because the tiger nearly bit him one day.
The guy was a cruel man.
746
00:36:44,435 --> 00:36:47,004
Do you think
he's skipping around his cell?
747
00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:49,106
Or do you think he's punching the wall?
748
00:36:49,173 --> 00:36:53,110
I'll be honest with you. I don't think
Joe Exotic will leave prison alive.
749
00:36:53,177 --> 00:36:55,179
I don't think he'll be able to stand it.
750
00:36:55,246 --> 00:37:00,051
Even if he got out with good behavior
in ten, 12 years, he won't live that long.
751
00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:02,386
What's really eating him up
is people like me
752
00:37:02,453 --> 00:37:05,056
who are getting so much attention
instead of him.
753
00:37:05,122 --> 00:37:07,225
He doesn't get any of the money
that's coming out.
754
00:37:07,291 --> 00:37:10,595
He doesn't get any of the accolades,
he doesn't get any of the opportunities.
755
00:37:10,661 --> 00:37:13,164
He doesn't get anything.
Except three meals a day.
756
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,266
Think about the amount of money
he could make now
757
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,968
- just on appearances.
- Yeah.
758
00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:20,037
You know, the one thing
that wasn't pointed out in the docuseries
759
00:37:20,104 --> 00:37:24,175
that's really important to know, too,
Joe was terrified of big cats.
760
00:37:24,775 --> 00:37:27,878
He was scared to death
of lions and tigers.
761
00:37:27,945 --> 00:37:30,047
And in the shots that you see in there
762
00:37:30,114 --> 00:37:33,184
where he's in with the two tigers,
the white one and the other one,
763
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,687
the white one is blind
and the other one is on tranquilizers.
764
00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:39,590
It's idiotic to think
how he's become famous
765
00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:43,761
as "The Tiger King"
when he's so terrified of big cats.
766
00:37:43,828 --> 00:37:46,864
Wow! I did not know that.
767
00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:50,134
What did you thinkof Joe's supposed plot to kill Carole?
768
00:37:50,201 --> 00:37:52,236
I mean, he asked me
to kill Carole one time.
769
00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:53,938
But, you know, it was like a joke.
770
00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:56,674
He was like, "I'll make you a rich man
if you'll kill Carole."
771
00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:59,644
"Ah. Ha-ha! Okay. Whatever."
But that's when he got serious.
772
00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:02,847
When I left the park and the zoo burned,
the studio burned,
773
00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:04,982
that's when Joe started downhill hard.
774
00:38:05,049 --> 00:38:08,286
As it all shook out,
do you regret feeding it at all?
775
00:38:09,387 --> 00:38:13,424
I regret ever meeting
Joe Exotic because...
776
00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:16,694
I went in because I saw
there was a great opportunity
777
00:38:16,761 --> 00:38:22,500
for an incredibly wonderful show about
big animals and this crazy zookeeper.
778
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:29,273
But I too was sucked into the surreal world of Joe Exotic.
779
00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:32,276
I will never get over...
I still have nightmares, Joel.
780
00:38:32,343 --> 00:38:35,946
I still have nightmares today.
I had nightmares last night.
781
00:38:36,013 --> 00:38:37,915
And since this docuseries has been back,
782
00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:41,185
I've had more nightmares
about having lived on that park.
783
00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:43,087
-I want to put this chapter away.
-Wow.
784
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:46,190
But it keeps getting bigger
and bigger and bigger.
785
00:38:46,257 --> 00:38:50,428
The one thing that I think that can
come out of this docuseries that is good,
786
00:38:50,494 --> 00:38:53,331
people are now going, "Free the animals."
787
00:38:53,397 --> 00:38:55,232
I think that's the best thing.
788
00:38:55,299 --> 00:38:59,437
As you've seen,
the Internet has cast the movie.
789
00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:01,105
Who would you like to play you?
790
00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:04,775
I think the one person that's been
brought up is Billy Bob Thornton.
791
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:08,179
I think he might make...
He might make a good Rick Kirkham.
792
00:39:10,481 --> 00:39:12,149
Well, there you have it.
793
00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:15,019
I hope this satisfied your hunger
for more stories
794
00:39:15,086 --> 00:39:17,388
from the wild world of Tiger King.
795
00:39:17,922 --> 00:39:19,357
We learned a lot today.
796
00:39:19,423 --> 00:39:24,428
We discovered that Joe Exotic doesn't have
many allies left amongst his old zoo crew.
797
00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:29,133
We found out the hottest
Tiger King celebrity hangout is Walmart.
798
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,735
And, most importantly,
799
00:39:30,801 --> 00:39:34,372
we learned that there is no job offer
that I'll turn down.
800
00:39:34,438 --> 00:39:36,841
I'm Joel McHale. This is my couch.
801
00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,910
And I'll see you at the end
of the next documentary series
802
00:39:39,977 --> 00:39:43,280
that becomes a surprise sensation
during a global pandemic.
803
00:39:43,347 --> 00:39:44,915
Thanks for watching.
71075
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