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Initially, I met R. Kelly
by going to his trial.
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I met him when I was 14,
and I was, like, on the fence,
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and I wanted to know, like,
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did he really do
what everyone said he did?
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Here is a man who is going
on trial for having sex
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with an underage girl,
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and yet you had women
not supporting the victim,
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but supporting the guy
who's going on trial.
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I screamed
at the top of my lungs,
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"What is wrong
with this person?"
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His poor decisions
have ruined so many lives.
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He destroyed my family.
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(audience cheering)
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LISA: When we first
started having sex,
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Rob was behind the camera,
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and I started popping the tapes
in to see what was on them.
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But I came across the one
with me, him,
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and the 14-year-old.
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Bootleg copies of the tape start
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showing up around the country.
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This is the one that makes it
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almost impossible
for people to pretend
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that they did not know
that this person
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had a thing for little girls.
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SPARKLE:
Chicago Sun-Times contacted me
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to view tapes
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that possibly had girls on it
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that I may have known.
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That was her, my niece,
for sure.
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And that was him.
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NEWS ANCHOR: Police are
investigating a video
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allegedly showing
the R & B singer having sex
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with a 14-year-old girl.
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POLICE CHIEF:
The Chicago Police Department
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is currently seeking
to arrest Mr. Kelly.
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RADIO HOST:
Radio stations WTMG, Magic 101.3
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and WKZY Lite Rock 106.9
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will immediately end
all airplay of Kelly's songs.
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PALLASCH: R. Kelly is arrested
on the Chicago charges.
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The charges they filed
against him were not
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statutory rape charges;
they filed
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child pornography charges.
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It's the same penalties
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but is easier to prove
if you cannot
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pin it down to a specific date.
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There was no date on the tape.
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JOURNALIST: What about
the child porn charges?
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Not right now, guys.
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-(indistinct shouting)
-WOMAN: R. Kelly!
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PALLASCH: He ultimately had
to face the charges
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in a Chicago courtroom.
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He pleads not guilty
and posts his bail,
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and he's released.
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After R. Kelly pleads
not guilty,
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he goes straight
to a South Side church,
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he goes straight to an event
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where he is admired
by young children.
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Here he is being prosecuted
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for allegedly having sex
with an underage girl,
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and ministers, civil rights
leaders in the city of Chicago
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wanted to play up
the side of him
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that did the
"I Believe I Can Fly,"
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and not the side of him
with the raunchy lyrics
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that kind of went along
with possibly having sex
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with an underage girl.
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And it really speaks
to the duplicity of R. Kelly.
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KATHY CHANEY:
Kelly posted bail,
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um, and was allowed to continue
to, you know, travel
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during the legal fight
that he was facing.
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There's no surprise
that he continued
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business as usual every day.
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(audience cheering)
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(distorted):
I met him back in the early '90s
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and started doing odd jobs
for him.
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I was friends with him during
the trial and the sex tape.
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During that time,
I was believing him
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when he said it wasn't him.
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That was the story.
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I believed it wasn't him
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because I had
never seen the tape.
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However, there were some people
who were around
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who had actually seen the girl,
who would later say, you know,
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well, she was around
and even when the trial
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was going on, he would still
have her around.
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But those stories didn't start
to come out until later.
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You know, people
in the, in the camp
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would start to talk about it.
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About a year later,
after R. Kelly was arrested
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on the 21 counts,
he was, um, arrested again.
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He was in Miami and it was
on additional porn charges.
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POLICE OFFICER: We seized,
at that time, camera equipment
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and 12 digital photos
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which we believe
to be child pornography.
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OFFICER 2: Do you understand
that anything you say
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can and may be used against you?
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SPARKLE:
I remember being at my brother
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and sister-in-law's house,
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and the detectives
showing us stills.
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It wasn't a pretty sight.
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They showed my niece,
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Robert,
and another young lady...
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intertwined.
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And I screamed
at the top of my lungs,
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"What the (bleep) is going on?
What is going on?
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What is wrong with this person?"
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RICHARD DEVINE: Unfortunately,
the judge down in Florida
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concluded that the police
did not have
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appropriate reason to search
the area where they found
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the materials and the camera,
uh, so tossed out that evidence.
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And then the Florida case
eventually was dropped.
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In the middle of all
of the-these allegations,
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R. Kelly is just dropping music.
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Big song he released,
"Ignition," the remix.
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♪ It's the remix to "Ignition" ♪
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♪ Hot and fresh
out the kitchen. ♪
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It deterred us away
from all of the allegations,
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and our focus then became
on this music.
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After that video came out...
(chuckles)
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his career should've been over.
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"Oh, he's still gonna put
records out,
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and people are still gonna
buy 'em?" And they did.
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NEWS ANCHOR:
Kelly has lost nothing
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in terms of fan support,
in terms of the many thousands
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of men and women who continue
to support their R & B hero.
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(cheering, screaming)
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MITCHELL:
The albums were still selling
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because the community,
for all intents and purposes,
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were still supporting him.
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And then came Chocolate Factory,
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which debuted at number one
on the Billboard charts.
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R. Kelly drops the most
undeniable hit of his career
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at exactly the same moment
he's on trial
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for these unfathomable crimes.
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And then he came with
"Step in the Name of Love."
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♪ I know ♪
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♪ That it's somebody's
birthday tonight. ♪
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When R. Kelly released
"Step in the Name of Love,"
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it's sort of in this tradition
of black family music.
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We have these songs
that become songs
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that are anthem-like
in the black community.
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It's the song that you dance to
at weddings, a family reunion.
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It gave him another layer
of-of covering.
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That song that they love
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is connected to a moment
in their life,
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whether they got married
to one of his songs
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or they had their first dance
to one of the songs.
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I think we love nothing more
than the success story,
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a rebound story.
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I think that, again,
largely in the black community,
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he was not thought of as guilty,
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even though
the evidence was there.
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"Nobody's gonna stop this train.
You can't stop me.
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"I'm still out of jail,
I'm free as a bird,
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"so I'm gonna make this music,
I'm gonna get it out,
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"and I'm gonna prove
that you guys love me so much
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"that no matter what I do,
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you're still going
to praise me."
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And that's kind of like
what it felt like.
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You never really knew what to
believe, but you knew that you,
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in a way,
felt sorry for his wife.
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Andrea Kelly's mother called me.
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She was concerned about
not hearing from her daughter.
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That was very dark
for her, very rough,
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not knowing
what the outcome could be.
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ANDREA: He denied it
for the longest time.
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Like, "Drea,
it's not what you think.
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They're lying on me,
somebody set me up."
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I finally realized
it doesn't get better.
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It gets worse.
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I had small children.
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They were already dealing
with their father in the news,
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having a court case that deals
with pedophilia and children.
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And I remember going out
on the balcony
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and climbing up on the ledge.
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Like,
"God, I can't take another day.
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I can't do this anymore."
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He had taken me to a place
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that I was willing
to leave my babies.
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So I just prayed
and asked God for a sign.
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And something said
to get my laptop, and I went
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to the National Domestic
Violence Awareness Hotline.
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And there's 17 questions.
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There was only two things
on that list
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that Robert hadn't done to me.
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And that's when it became real
to me, like...
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"Drea, you're being abused."
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DR. JODY ADEWALE:
We often look at women
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and we blame them. We say,
"All you have to do is leave.
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All you have to do
is-is walk out."
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But it's not that simple.
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There are psychological blocks
that an individual has
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that have been fed throughout
the whole situation
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that stops them from leaving.
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It takes about seven tries
for a girl
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to successfully leave
her abuser for good.
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That statistic tells us
how difficult it is, often,
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to pull away
from these relationships.
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ANDREA:
The day
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that I left Robert...
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I was like any other woman.
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Running in the middle
of the night.
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$2,500, a duffle bag,
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my three babies,
and nothing else.
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He has all the money.
"Where you going
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with three babies?"
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No money.
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But I would rather die,
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knowing that I tried
to get away from him,
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than to die right there
in the house
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because I didn't have
the courage to leave.
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Robert, you know what you did.
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You know the turmoil
you brought into my kids' life.
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You destroyed Christmases,
birthdays, graduations.
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It's because of you, Robert,
that my children were told
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they can't sit
at the lunch table.
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"'Cause your daddy
rapes little girls."
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You can deny all you want to.
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And for that,
you can go to hell.
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(audience cheering)
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GEORGE:
At the time that tape came out,
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R. Kelly was the biggest artist
in R & B
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and arguably
one of the biggest artists
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in the recording industry
at that time,
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in terms of actual record sales.
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I can't remember any
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artists speaking out
against Robert,
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regarding this tape.
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It made me feel
like I didn't want
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to be a part
of this industry that
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I had grown to love.
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WENDY WILLIAMS: This is an
industry where anything goes.
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And... before you know it,
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you are all sucked in.
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At what cost? At what cost?
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It would have been
a difficult decision, right?
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When we go... (chuckles)
when we go to the chairman
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and say,
"Should we keep R. Kelly?"
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And he's like, "Well,
how much is he generating?"
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And he's like,
"Well, yeah, but, you know,
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he-he might've statutorily raped
a couple... girls,"
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and like...
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"Yeah, but how much
is he generating?"
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GEORGE: So there's
a whole world of people,
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people close to him,
people in the industry,
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who he is a--
he's a font of money.
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Getting him on your
radio station means ratings,
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getting him in your
concert venue means money,
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and because the thing
dragged on
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some insane amount of time,
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it gave him breathing room
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to rebuild a lot
of those relationships.
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And so then he does this weird
"Trapped in the Closet" stuff.
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♪ He opens the door ♪
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♪ I can't believe it's a man ♪
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♪ Man, man, man. ♪
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If he hadn't done
"Trapped in the Closet,"
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I think his career would've been
really in trouble a lot earlier.
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Like a lot of his music, it's
very much telling on himself.
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It's a whole thing about a man
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and-and different people
trying to deal
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with whoever they really are
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and being constantly surprised
at-at how debased they are
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and how debased
the world is around them.
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POWERS: I think,
at some point, he probably
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figured out that playing sex
for laughs was
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a way that he could continue
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to avoid absolute condemnation
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for what he might've been
doing behind the scenes.
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LEMIEUX: He wasn't as much
a guilty pleasure, I think,
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for audiences at this point,
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as he was like a bad boy,
like an antihero.
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You know, like,
y-you know that he's bad,
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you know that he's dirty.
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The accusations are now a part
of pop culture as much as he is.
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We, at this point,
have seen Dave Chappelle's
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-"Pee On You" sketch.
-♪ I want to piss on you ♪
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-(audience laughs)
-♪ Yes, I do ♪
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♪ I'll piss on you,
I'll pee on you. ♪
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We've seen the "Trial of R.
Kelly" episode on The Boondocks.
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Uh, you there, urban youth,
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why do you think
R. Kelly is innocent?
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If I started peeing
on you right now, would you:
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A) smile and ask for more,
or B) move the hell out the way?
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We associate him
with urinating on somebody.
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That's a punch line.
That's a joke.
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PALLASCH:
As the years go by,
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there's never any trial date
set for the Chicago charges,
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and we're wondering,
what is taking so long?
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This has never happened.
No one can think of a case
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that has gone on for year
after year after year like this.
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It's in R. Kelly's interest
to have this delayed
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as long as possible.
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You'd much rather have
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a 21-year-old girl on the stad
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than a 14-year-old girl
on the stand.
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The right to a speedy trial
under the U.S. Constitution
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is-is-is sort of a right
guaranteed to the defendant.
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So if the defendant
thinks that things
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are dragging on too long,
the defendant can say,
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"Hey, I have a right
to a speedy trial.
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We have to go to trial
in the next 60 days, whatever."
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R. Kelly never took advantage
of that.
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Rob's team put it off
for all those years
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because if it wasn't fresh
in people's mind,
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uh, you know, they wouldn't
really be concerned
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with what was going on.
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REPORTER: The long-delayed
child pornography trial begins.
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Kelly is accused of videotaping
himself having sex
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with an underage girl
some time
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between January 1998
and November 2000.
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Kelly's defense team contends
it is not Kelly on the tape.
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I just want to say,
y'all need to leave him alone.
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That's not R. Kelly.
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One of the things
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that was laughable, uh,
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with Robert trying
to profess his innocence,
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was that that was his brother
Carey on the tape.
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He definitely
does not look like Robert.
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You can tell them apart.
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That was laughable to me
because I'm like,
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"Really? You-You're gonna
throw your brother there now?"
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It seemed sort of like
a Hail Mary pass to try and say
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it could be his brother
there on the tape.
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CAREY: He never said it
out of his mouth,
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but his legal team did,
so I had to speak out
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to defend myself, my character,
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you know, um,
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and so I did.
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WILLIAMS: If you're
just turning on your radio,
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we're talking to Carey Kelly,
R. Kelly's younger brother.
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You did a body double
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for your big brother Robert
in "Your Body's Callin'"
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and things kind of turned,
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I mean, a little ugly
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when this whole
child molestation thing
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-came into play.
-CAREY: Mm-hmm.
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WILLIAMS: People were trying
to say it was you.
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CAREY: His attorney said that
it was me in the videotape.
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-WILLIAMS: What?
-CAREY: That was made--
that was their argument.
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He never came forth and said,
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"Hey, you know, what y'all
hearing is not true."
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WILLIAMS:
"I am not a child molester,
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but it definitely wasn't
my brother in that video."
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CAREY:
Exactly. Exactly.
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And when my kids started
getting teased at school.
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I have a 15-year-old
daughter...
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WILLIAMS:
Oh, God.
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...that got stomped
by 15 girls.
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I made police reports,
the whole nine.
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She was just defending
her father. That's it.
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WILLIAMS: So tell me
what you saw on this tape
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with these 12-year-old girls.
Why do we say that they're 12?
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CAREY:
Well, because he's, like,
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he was interviewing them
on these tapes.
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WILLIAMS:
So, the girls were on there
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being interviewed by him,
and he-- they're saying
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their real names
and that they're 12 years old.
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-You see the sex
and all like that.
-CAREY: Right.
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WILLIAMS: You think your
brother's gonna do jail time?
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Or do you think
he's going to get off?
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CAREY:
Well, my opinion is this:
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what's done in the dark
shall come to the light,
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and everybody on this earth got
to pay for what they've done,
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-even if he don't do jail time.
-WILLIAMS: Wow.
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CAREY: He still got to pay
for what he done.
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So I spoke out and said, "Hey,
that's not me. That's not me."
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You know, I have nothing
to do with that.
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I took it further
and said other things that...
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that I had no knowledge of.
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I was just saying things to
actually hurt him, to be honest.
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I was saying things that
I heard other people saying.
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He's a pedophile. He-He's, you
know, he-he has molested girls.
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So I was saying that
because that's what I heard.
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I never saw it.
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BRUCE KELLY:
Robert simply asked Carey
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to tell the truth.
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Do a deposition
with his attorneys
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that the things that
he was saying was not true.
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And he said, "If you...
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"do this deposition
with my attorneys,
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"I will give you $100,000
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and a one-record contract deal."
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I'll never understand that
as long as I live.
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You could've been rich.
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I'll never understand that.
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CROWD:
Free R. Kelly!
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(indistinct yelling)
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KIM JANSSEN:
When the trial began,
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this was a big, major event.
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So it was a real circus.
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There was a lot
of journalists there,
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probably a good 30, 40
journalists covering the trial.
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(overlapping shouting)
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I have one question.
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Where was the parents when
the girl was getting (bleep)?
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MITCHELL:
Women lined up,
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most of them African-American,
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they lined up to show support
for R. Kelly.
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(overlapping shouting)
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He's not guilty at all.
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They just want to bring him
down and kill his image.
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Not support for the victims.
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Not support for the young girl,
whomever she was, on the tape.
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And that was shocking
to many of us.
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(crowd cheering)
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CHANEY:
There were young girls
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who were at the courthouse
every single day
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for the trial. They were fans,
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but... somehow they...
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got to talk to him.
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JERHONDA:
My name is Jerhonda Pace.
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I'm from Chicago.
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When I started going
to Robert's trial,
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I was 14 years old.
I was a freshman in high school.
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My mom, she was, like,
that working single mom,
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so it was very easy for me to,
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uh, skip school
and go to his trial
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and have my mom not even see it
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or have a clue
that I was doing it.
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I went to his trial because
I was a superfan at the time.
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And the fact that it was a trial
that was open to the public,
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I was excited to go.
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I got the chance to engage
in conversations with him.
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So I would just say,
"Hey, good morning."
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He would speak back
and I would tell him,
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you know, keep his head up.
427
00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:23,824
The same thing that I would say
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outside of the courthouse,
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and he would always thank me
for my support.
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His eyes were always fixated
on the young girls.
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So he would look
and he would do, like, a smile
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and a nod, like,
"Oh, okay, I see you."
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And it just made us, you know,
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wonder more
and talk more of, like,
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you're on trial for this and
you're allowing yourself to be
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enamored by young girls.
437
00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:54,730
I mean, it was just...
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I would want to say that we were
surprised, but we weren't.
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It was mind-boggling.
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(crowd cheering, shouting)
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JOHN NORRIS: A former music
protégée of Kelly, Sparkle,
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has publicly declared
that the girl
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on the video
is her young niece.
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00:22:11,038 --> 00:22:13,123
I felt partially responsible
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because I introduced
my family to him.
446
00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:20,505
And it felt like
it happened on my watch.
447
00:22:20,505 --> 00:22:22,257
Robert's legal team was...
448
00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:25,385
basically trying
to say that, you know,
449
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I just was out for money
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and, um, I was bitter.
451
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:34,269
They offered me upwards...
six figures,
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high in the six figures for me
and Robert to have a sit-down
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with all media around us
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to say that
"Sparkle and I are okay.
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We're 'Kum-Bah-Yah.'"
456
00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:49,451
I didn't take the money
because I can't be bought.
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00:22:49,451 --> 00:22:51,078
I'm-a stand up for my family.
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JANSSEN: The trial--
there was eight white jurors
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and four African-Americans.
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The atmosphere in the courtroom
was... somber.
461
00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:05,425
We all understood we had
to watch the-the film,
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00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:07,469
that it was the-the central
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00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:10,097
piece of evidence in this case,
but nobody...
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nobody wants to watch that.
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The prosecution--
their entire case was the tape.
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JANSSEN:
They turned down the lights
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and they put it on,
and it was... it's grim.
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You're sitting in a room
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with 50, 60 people
watching child pornography.
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She's very obviously,
like, a pubescent girl.
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It made me feel gross.
472
00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:45,465
During testimony today
on the child pornography trial
473
00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:46,675
of singer R. Kelly,
474
00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,885
witness after witness
identified those
475
00:23:48,885 --> 00:23:53,515
on that now infamous sex tape as
the alleged victim and R. Kelly.
476
00:23:53,515 --> 00:23:57,394
So the prosecution
had 14 witnesses.
477
00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:01,481
I just remember being terrified
478
00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:03,358
when I was called
to the witness stand.
479
00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:06,653
But here's this person
who I was great friends with,
480
00:24:06,653 --> 00:24:10,073
who's a great person, and all
this is happening to her now.
481
00:24:10,073 --> 00:24:14,244
And I was trying to help
the case by giving any
482
00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:17,164
specific details that
I thought might really,
483
00:24:17,164 --> 00:24:20,458
you know, seal the deal and make
sure that he was found guilty.
484
00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:24,379
They played the tape
because they wanted it to be
485
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:25,630
kind of fresh in my memory.
486
00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:27,257
And I remember,
487
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:30,594
once again, just kind of getting
maybe halfway through
488
00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:33,346
the whole tape and just
breaking down and crying.
489
00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:35,557
JACQUES CONWAY:
I testified in this trial
490
00:24:35,557 --> 00:24:38,685
because I coached her,
I knew the parents.
491
00:24:38,685 --> 00:24:41,188
I knew everything about her.
I can describe her.
492
00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:42,939
I picked her out
as soon as I saw the video.
493
00:24:42,939 --> 00:24:46,693
But when I had a chance
to speak with the mother,
494
00:24:46,693 --> 00:24:48,528
she said
that's not her daughter.
495
00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:54,034
Her parents denied
that this happened.
496
00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:58,205
It could be embarrassment.
497
00:24:58,205 --> 00:24:59,664
There's a lot of variables
in that.
498
00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:01,958
To this day
I can't put it on one,
499
00:25:01,958 --> 00:25:03,960
but I believe there was
a combination of things
500
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,796
that affected how
this outcome came about.
501
00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,384
LISA:
I recognized
502
00:25:11,384 --> 00:25:13,053
the 14-year-old's body
503
00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:16,890
because I had had sex
with her and Robert.
504
00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:19,267
So, you know,
it was no doubt in my mind
505
00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:20,560
that it was her body.
506
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,314
I mean, we'd done oral
on each other.
507
00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:26,775
I mean, I touched her breasts,
508
00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:29,778
I, you know, looked at,
you know, those parts.
509
00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,072
So there was no doubt
in my mind that it was her.
510
00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:35,992
SPARKLE:
When I came forward,
511
00:25:35,992 --> 00:25:39,204
it was important to me
to stand up
512
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:42,582
and tell the truth
during the trial
513
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:47,045
and be a witness for
the prosecution in the trial.
514
00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:50,924
I did have to make
eye contact with Robert
515
00:25:50,924 --> 00:25:53,969
because they wanted us
to identify him
516
00:25:53,969 --> 00:25:56,513
as the defendant.
517
00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:58,848
I had to sit up a little bit
to see him,
518
00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:01,101
because he was
slouched down in the chair.
519
00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:02,644
And when I did that,
520
00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:05,438
he looked at me
but then put his head down.
521
00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:07,482
And I was like,
"Yeah, that's him right there.
522
00:26:07,482 --> 00:26:09,025
That's him."
523
00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:18,076
My oldest brother
did get on the stand...
524
00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:24,666
...and he said
525
00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:25,875
that it wasn't her,
526
00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:28,044
it wasn't my niece on the tape.
527
00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:35,593
I don't know
528
00:26:35,593 --> 00:26:37,220
what my family was thinking.
529
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:42,267
Like I said, we were estranged.
530
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:46,563
For ten years
I didn't speak to my family
531
00:26:46,563 --> 00:26:48,732
because of that (bleep).
532
00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:51,484
It's crazy.
533
00:26:53,069 --> 00:26:55,280
NORRIS: The case against
R. Kelly is complicated
534
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,907
by the fact that
there is no accuser.
535
00:26:57,907 --> 00:27:00,952
Like Kelly, the girl alleged
to be on the tape says,
536
00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:02,162
"It wasn't me."
537
00:27:04,122 --> 00:27:06,499
GENGLER:
Being a mom now,
538
00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:10,879
you can't fathom your child
being in that situation.
539
00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:14,090
I would do anything
to protect my child
540
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,343
and to keep my child safe.
541
00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:21,056
For all I know, she wa-wanted
to just live a normal life.
542
00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:26,895
Um... and I felt really torn
because, you know,
543
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:29,439
my faith and my morals told me
I needed to come forward,
544
00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:30,940
because what he did was wrong.
545
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:32,484
And that's all I knew,
and I was trying to,
546
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:36,279
you know, keep him
from doing it ever again.
547
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,615
(crowd shouting)
548
00:27:38,615 --> 00:27:40,575
I just want to know why,
549
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:42,369
at the end of the day,
he can sleep at night
550
00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:45,872
knowing that he's affecting
these innocent young girls.
551
00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:48,375
Girls that are still trying
to figure out themselves,
552
00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:50,251
still trying to
figure out relationships...
553
00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:52,045
(crowd shouting indistinctly)
554
00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:54,005
...and taking full advantage
of that.
555
00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,343
I will never understand that.
556
00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:01,930
It's sickening.
557
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:04,015
(crowd shouting indistinctly)
558
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:14,859
REPORTER:
The jury is deliberating
559
00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:17,320
in R. Kelly's
child pornography case.
560
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,864
Jurors reportedly met for three
and a half hours yesterday
561
00:28:19,864 --> 00:28:21,116
before breaking for the night.
562
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,868
This is what we think
about him and his music.
563
00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:25,662
R. Kelly is innocent.
564
00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:26,788
HOST: You think
the listeners should still
565
00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:28,206
support R. Kelly,
566
00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:29,290
even though we haven't found out
whether he's innocent
567
00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:30,708
or guilty as of yet?
568
00:28:30,708 --> 00:28:32,210
CALLER: Well, right.
That could be you or me.
569
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:33,920
REPORTER: It's been six years
in the making...
570
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,296
MAN:
Over here.
571
00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:37,590
...and the time
has finally come.
572
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:39,342
DEVINE:
At the end of the case,
573
00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:41,886
my belief, in watching
closing arguments
574
00:28:41,886 --> 00:28:43,888
and in talking
to our trial prosecutors,
575
00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:47,142
was that we had presented
a good case.
576
00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:50,603
It had gone in as well
as could be expected.
577
00:28:50,603 --> 00:28:52,730
There were issues,
and it was up to the jury
578
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:54,232
to decide those issues.
579
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:58,153
JANSSEN:
Before the verdicts came down,
580
00:28:58,153 --> 00:29:01,322
I saw Sam Adam Jr., who was
sitting next to R. Kelly,
581
00:29:01,322 --> 00:29:02,365
turn to him and say,
582
00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:04,033
"We did everything we could."
583
00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:07,162
And the mood in the room
was very much
584
00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:10,081
that he was about to be
a condemned man.
585
00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:14,711
CHANEY:
When the verdict came down
586
00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:16,546
for the R. Kelly trial,
587
00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:17,839
we're trying to read
the judge's face,
588
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,800
and you couldn't read it.
589
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,011
JANSSEN: Everyone in
the courtroom thought he was
590
00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:24,095
gonna be found guilty.
591
00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:26,264
CRAIG WILLIAMS:
Rob was very scared
592
00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:27,599
of going to jail.
593
00:29:30,894 --> 00:29:32,645
PALLASCH:
They announce the verdict.
594
00:29:37,358 --> 00:29:39,360
CHANEY:
When they said "not guilty,"
595
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,362
every reporter's face
was like...
596
00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:44,991
Not guilty?
You've got to be kidding me.
597
00:29:44,991 --> 00:29:47,035
PALLASCH:
Kelly says, "Thank you, Jesus.
598
00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:48,077
Thank you, Jesus."
599
00:29:48,077 --> 00:29:51,539
Kelly's lawyers are ecstatic.
600
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:53,291
Uh, they're hugging R. Kelly,
who's crying.
601
00:29:53,291 --> 00:29:55,335
They seem to be
almost taken by surprise.
602
00:29:55,335 --> 00:29:59,422
I just said one word. Wow.
603
00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:01,716
And that was it.
604
00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:03,468
CRAIG: I don't know
if race played a part
605
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,596
in this trial or not,
but if it were
606
00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:08,723
white children that were
being molested
607
00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:12,352
by a black man in this case,
608
00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:17,273
I'm sure Rob would have
gone to jail very swiftly.
609
00:30:17,273 --> 00:30:18,816
REPORTER:
When he left home this morning,
610
00:30:18,816 --> 00:30:21,194
R. Kelly had no idea
when he'd be back.
611
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,946
His fate was in the hands
of jurors
612
00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:25,281
who could have sent him
to prison for years.
613
00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:28,034
Instead, tonight
they set him free.
614
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:29,285
PRODUCER:
With women that came out
615
00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:30,870
against him and said,
616
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:32,830
"I was in an underage
relationship with him.
617
00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:34,541
He did this to me,
he did that," what...?
618
00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:37,585
I-I just didn't believe them--
the womans.
619
00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:39,420
I know it sounds ridiculous.
620
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:41,965
The way they dress,
the way they act.
621
00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:45,093
I didn't like them.
I voted again--
622
00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:49,013
I disregarded
all what they said.
623
00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:51,349
I was happy for the verdict
at the time.
624
00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:52,308
I was happy.
625
00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:53,768
BRUCE:
I felt
626
00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:57,772
wonderful when he--
they said not guilty.
627
00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,691
That's how I felt, wonderful.
628
00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:03,069
SPARKLE:
I think that Robert
629
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:06,990
wasn't convicted because
my niece and sister
630
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:08,533
and brother-in-law
didn't come forward.
631
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:12,620
Regarding criminal cases, if
there is no willing participant,
632
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:16,124
then really there's no case.
633
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,753
I really don't know if my family
was paid off.
634
00:31:20,753 --> 00:31:24,048
I know the family was still
hanging out with him.
635
00:31:24,048 --> 00:31:25,592
My brother-in-law
was still playing guitar
636
00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:28,386
on a lot of his songs.
637
00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:32,890
And that's...
638
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:35,268
what it is.
639
00:31:37,478 --> 00:31:39,272
TOURE:
After R. Kelly got off trial,
640
00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:42,025
there was conversation at BET,
like, "We should interview him,"
641
00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:44,277
and I was the guy who was
gonna do the interview.
642
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:51,576
We were in a sort of
fancy Chicago hotel suite.
643
00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:54,704
He came
with this crisis manager.
644
00:31:54,704 --> 00:31:56,456
He was very nervous
before we started.
645
00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:58,333
I remember saying hi
to him before we started,
646
00:31:58,333 --> 00:31:59,792
and he was kind of, like...
647
00:31:59,792 --> 00:32:01,878
clearly knew, like,
this is a big moment.
648
00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:06,674
I asked him, just point blank,
"Do you like underage girls?"
649
00:32:06,674 --> 00:32:09,302
And his crisis manager stood up
and ran into the shot.
650
00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:11,929
"No! You can't ask him that!
You can't ask him that!"
651
00:32:11,929 --> 00:32:13,306
And Kelly said, "No, no.
652
00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:14,682
I want to answer that."
653
00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:16,309
-Let me ask you something.
-R. KELLY: Mm-hmm.
654
00:32:16,309 --> 00:32:20,521
Real. That millions of Americans
are thinking about.
655
00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:24,108
-Okay.
-Do you like teenage girls?
656
00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:28,279
When you say teenage,
h-how old are we talking?
657
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,407
Girls who are teenagers.
658
00:32:31,407 --> 00:32:35,536
-19?
-19 and younger.
659
00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:38,206
I have some 19-year-old friends,
660
00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:40,291
but I don't like
anybody illegal,
661
00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,293
if that's what we're
talking about, underage.
662
00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:47,715
This is the first easy, obvious,
simple softball question.
663
00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:49,509
"Do you like teenage girls?"
664
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:52,178
You just got off
a child pornography trial.
665
00:32:52,178 --> 00:32:54,681
Obviously you're gonna say no,
and then we'll move to something
666
00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:57,225
a little harder
and then something harder.
667
00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:59,102
And I'm thinking, you know,
668
00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,979
don't let him see that
he's made a huge mistake.
669
00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:03,606
Like, that he's ju...
670
00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:06,150
'Cause his face
and the question seemed like,
671
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,985
"Wow, like,
672
00:33:07,985 --> 00:33:10,697
wow, teenage girls,
like, I love this subject."
673
00:33:10,697 --> 00:33:12,949
I assumed that that
would get cut out.
674
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:15,910
And when it finally aired,
I was like,
675
00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:18,204
"Oh, my God, they aired it."
676
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,543
I felt sorry
677
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:27,797
for his wife because now
she's embroiled in everything.
678
00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:29,590
She's attached to him legally.
679
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:31,926
The abuse had gotten
so bad with Robert
680
00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:33,761
to the point
I left with nothing.
681
00:33:33,761 --> 00:33:36,305
If you look
at my order of protection,
682
00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:37,890
in my restraining order,
683
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,477
it was actually the judge that
crossed it out and wrote in,
684
00:33:41,477 --> 00:33:45,481
"He is to have no contact
with the children."
685
00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:48,901
After the divorce, people
are quick to pass judgment
686
00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:50,361
and they have no idea
687
00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:53,448
that, behind the scenes--
688
00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:55,366
you think I'm living
this great life--
689
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:58,327
I'm in foreclosure court
on my house. Why?
690
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:00,037
Robert stopped paying
child support
691
00:34:00,037 --> 00:34:02,373
as a way to punish me.
692
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,834
So people think that I'm living
this great, lavish life,
693
00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,461
but they don't understand.
694
00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:08,921
I've got lawyers,
going back and forth to court.
695
00:34:08,921 --> 00:34:12,300
I'm trying to get him served
with an arrest warrant
696
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,843
because you're not paying
child support,
697
00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:15,428
which is criminal by law.
698
00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:18,097
I'm dealing with all of this
and people just think,
699
00:34:18,097 --> 00:34:20,975
"Oh, well, you know,
she wants to come forward now
700
00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:22,018
because them checks stop..."
701
00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:23,686
The checks been stopped, boo.
702
00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,730
The checks have been over
for a very long time.
703
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:27,231
That has nothing to do with it.
704
00:34:39,827 --> 00:34:42,538
I have three small children
that I had to think about
705
00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:44,290
before I could come forward.
706
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:46,292
That's a lot for my children
to deal with.
707
00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:49,378
I had to make sure
my children were okay
708
00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:50,880
before I could come forward.
709
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,257
I had to make sure, emotionally,
710
00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,301
they were where
they could handle it.
711
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:57,845
JERHONDA:
I went to his trial
712
00:34:57,845 --> 00:35:00,264
because I was a superfan
at the time.
713
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,724
I didn't believe he was guilty,
714
00:35:01,724 --> 00:35:03,684
and I didn't want to believe
that he was guilty.
715
00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:08,439
I was a freshman
in high school.
716
00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:10,149
He was old for me to like him,
717
00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:11,818
but I fell in love
with his music.
718
00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:16,072
After Robert's trial,
his friend
719
00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:19,408
sent me a message and invited me
to R. Kelly's party.
720
00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:21,911
And in the middle
of me texting him back.
721
00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:24,330
Rob-- he actually
called my phone.
722
00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:26,249
And he was telling me,
he's like, "I remember you."
723
00:35:26,249 --> 00:35:28,000
And I said, "Well,
what do you remember me from?"
724
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,879
He said, "You came to my trial.Thank you for your support."
725
00:35:31,879 --> 00:35:33,881
I was shocked.
726
00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:35,216
I felt like I was
on top of the world.
727
00:35:38,052 --> 00:35:40,763
Having a music star,
728
00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,474
like R. Kelly,
pay attention to you
729
00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:46,394
would be phenomenal,
make you feel very special.
730
00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:50,523
She is a lifelong fan.
731
00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:53,651
Someone who, even though
732
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:57,196
she's sitting through the trial,
looking at the images,
733
00:35:57,196 --> 00:35:59,282
she still doesn't
want to believe it
734
00:35:59,282 --> 00:36:03,286
because in her mind--
and she was so young--
735
00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:08,040
this is the person that spoke
to her through music.
736
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,126
He invited me back to
his mansion in Olympia Fields,
737
00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:12,712
and he told me to bring
a bathing suit.
738
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,797
By this time it was like
739
00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:17,216
a little bit
after my 16th birthday.
740
00:36:17,216 --> 00:36:21,220
I did lie about my age
and tell him that I was 19.
741
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:24,098
What we know about teenagers is
that their long-term planning,
742
00:36:24,098 --> 00:36:26,183
that part of their brain
hasn't developed yet.
743
00:36:26,183 --> 00:36:28,227
They feel the excitement
and the rush of things,
744
00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:30,229
but they don't necessarily have
the brain capacity
745
00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,148
to make the best decisions.
746
00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:35,401
Insert an adult that has
nefarious motivations,
747
00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:36,944
and that person
748
00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:40,615
can use all of those things
to his advantage.
749
00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:41,908
JERHONDA:
He said, "Don't let anybody
750
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:43,659
know where you're going"
751
00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:46,746
and he said, "And from now on,
when you, uh, talk to me,
752
00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:47,955
you're gonna call me Daddy."
753
00:36:47,955 --> 00:36:52,460
And I said, "Okay."
754
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,795
And he said, "Okay, what?"
755
00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:56,130
And I said, "Okay, Daddy."
756
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:58,174
And then I hung up the phone.
757
00:36:58,174 --> 00:37:00,009
And looking back on it,
758
00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:01,594
I was naive.
759
00:37:11,479 --> 00:37:13,898
♪ ♪
760
00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:16,275
JERHONDA: When Rob invited me
to his house,
761
00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:18,277
I was 16 years old.
762
00:37:18,277 --> 00:37:19,570
I was excited.
763
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:22,448
I was like, "Oh, my gosh,
this is so unreal."
764
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:25,451
I didn't tell anyone
I was going to his house.
765
00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:27,870
It was like a little secret.
766
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:29,330
He was getting ready for
767
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:31,916
a pre-listen party
for his album Untitled.
768
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,420
We were just talking
back and forth.
769
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:37,964
And he talked about
770
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:40,132
being molested as well--
he told me he was molested
771
00:37:40,132 --> 00:37:42,051
by a older guy
in his neighborhood.
772
00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:45,972
And one of the females
773
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:49,767
that used to watch him was
sexually abusing him as well.
774
00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:51,602
And I felt
like we had a connection
775
00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:55,314
'cause I told him I was sexually
abused when I was four,
776
00:37:55,314 --> 00:37:59,026
when I was six,
and when I was eight years old.
777
00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:00,653
NORCOTT:
Women who have histories
778
00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:02,113
of child sexual abuse
779
00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,323
are more likely
to be victimized as adults.
780
00:38:04,323 --> 00:38:07,118
She could have trouble
asserting herself,
781
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,328
um, advocating for herself.
782
00:38:09,328 --> 00:38:13,165
And so, for somebody who is
targeting potential victims,
783
00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:15,292
that's gonna be
an attractive target for them.
784
00:38:17,294 --> 00:38:20,297
JERHONDA: I felt like, "Wow.
So I'm not the only one.
785
00:38:20,297 --> 00:38:22,842
I'm not alone with the whole
sexual abuse thing."
786
00:38:22,842 --> 00:38:25,511
And I felt like
Rob confided in me,
787
00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:28,431
and I felt like
I was confiding in him as well.
788
00:38:32,518 --> 00:38:35,688
When I hear of a perpetrator
or someone who's opening up
789
00:38:35,688 --> 00:38:38,983
about their sexual abuse,
two things pop up for me.
790
00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,819
Number one: the individual
is really looking
791
00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:43,529
for someone to talk to
about this.
792
00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:47,992
Option two is: "I'm going
to use this story as a way
793
00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:51,037
of manipulating and getting
people to come closer to me."
794
00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:54,957
Hey, look at my pain,
identify with it, feel for me,
795
00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:57,877
allowing me to project
my aggressive behavior onto you.
796
00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:03,007
JERHONDA:
At Rob's mansion,
797
00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:05,301
he had a jungle-themed pool
798
00:39:05,301 --> 00:39:07,511
and he actually called it
"the safari pool."
799
00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:11,891
And it had a nice slide,
and the water changed colors--
800
00:39:11,891 --> 00:39:14,727
it was blue, green, purple.
801
00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:16,395
He told me to go
into the bathroom
802
00:39:16,395 --> 00:39:18,105
and to change into my swimsuit.
803
00:39:18,105 --> 00:39:20,399
And when I came back out,
804
00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:22,610
I was just waiting by the pool,
and when he showed up,
805
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:25,237
he sat down
and he told me to, uh,
806
00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:27,239
get up and start
walking for him.
807
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,699
"As if you're modeling."
808
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,409
So, I walk back and forth.
809
00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:32,161
It was back and forth,
back and forth.
810
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,955
And he said, "Okay, now,
when you walk up, I want you
811
00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:37,708
to remove a piece of your,
um, swimsuit."
812
00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:41,754
And I looked at him and I sai,
813
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:43,756
"You want me to take
my swimsuit off?"
814
00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:45,591
He said yes, he told me
not to ask questions,
815
00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:46,884
to just do it.
816
00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:49,720
So I said, okay, well,
this is R. Kelly
817
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,222
and he told me
to take my swimsuit off,
818
00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:52,848
so that's what I'm going to do.
819
00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:54,517
So I walked back and forth
820
00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:56,435
and then I removed my top,
and he told me
821
00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:57,895
to remove my bottoms.
822
00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:04,443
And he grabbed me
and then we started kissing.
823
00:40:04,443 --> 00:40:06,445
And he started fondling
my breasts.
824
00:40:06,445 --> 00:40:09,115
And I stopped him and I said,
"I'm a virgin."
825
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:12,451
And he said,
"Well, that's perfect.
826
00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:13,953
"That means I get to train you
827
00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:15,287
and I get to take
your virginity."
828
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:19,291
And that's when he proceeded
829
00:40:19,291 --> 00:40:20,751
to do oral sex on me.
830
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:23,712
And he told me to do
the same thing on him.
831
00:40:23,712 --> 00:40:24,839
Just oral sex.
832
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,970
Right after,
Rob asked me my age.
833
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:32,888
And that's when I didn't tell
him my age,
834
00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:35,141
I handed him my ID,
and he looked at it,
835
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:37,268
and that's when--
then I said I'm 16.
836
00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:39,478
And he told me, "Okay,
what is that supposed to mean?"
837
00:40:39,478 --> 00:40:43,065
He said to "continue telling
everybody that you're 19"
838
00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:44,316
and to "act 21."
839
00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:51,157
MISS INFO:
After R. Kelly was acquitted,
840
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:53,659
suddenly there's
this blank slate, right?
841
00:40:53,659 --> 00:40:55,870
Which is so delusional for us
842
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:58,873
to kind of feel like,
"Oh, it's all good now."
843
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:02,168
And it's okay for me
as a journalist to say,
844
00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:04,587
"Yeah, I want to go
to R. Kelly's house
845
00:41:04,587 --> 00:41:06,255
"and hear him play
his new album.
846
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,673
I would love to do that."
847
00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:08,883
And I did that.
848
00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:14,013
And it was like
such a bizarre fortress.
849
00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,848
Cavernous, like, mazes.
850
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,516
There was an indoor pool.
851
00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:21,687
And then there was this
little tiny studio room
852
00:41:21,687 --> 00:41:23,439
where he just sat down
at a piano
853
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:27,359
and sang like an angel.
854
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:29,695
And then I walk away
855
00:41:29,695 --> 00:41:32,781
and I had to sort of write this
and-and be true to myself,
856
00:41:32,781 --> 00:41:36,035
and I, and I basically
said that
857
00:41:36,035 --> 00:41:39,038
I have a lot of feelings
about R. Kelly.
858
00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,081
He was acquitted,
so I chose to leave
859
00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:43,959
those feelings at the door.
860
00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:47,254
I was awed by being in front of,
like, this incredible talent,
861
00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:48,839
which is unde-undeniable.
862
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:50,716
And then I, when I walked
out of the door,
863
00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:53,385
I picked all of those
sort of feelings back up.
864
00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:55,888
And I think that
that's what a lot of fans
865
00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:57,598
have been doing for many,
many years.
866
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,060
JERHONDA:
I'm sitting on the bed
867
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:04,188
and I'm just waiting for Rob.
He came in...
868
00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:07,733
and he told me that it was time
for him to take my virginity.
869
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:11,987
We just, um, had sex, you know,
me bent over on the couch,
870
00:42:11,987 --> 00:42:13,739
and I told him it was
a bit uncomfortable,
871
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:15,866
but I just went with it.
872
00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:18,744
I was like, okay, whatever.
It was, um, painful.
873
00:42:18,744 --> 00:42:21,288
So I'm like, okay, maybe that's
the way it's supposed to be.
874
00:42:21,288 --> 00:42:24,667
It wasn't...
It wasn't extravagant.
875
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:26,752
I wasn't like,
"Oh, I lost my virginity."
876
00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:28,003
Like, "This was so good."
877
00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,922
It was just, it was just--
878
00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:32,716
I guess I just lost
my virginity.
879
00:42:45,145 --> 00:42:48,107
JERHONDA:
When I went to Rob's house,
880
00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:49,567
I always felt
like the chosen one,
881
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,944
but then, after being there
for a while,
882
00:42:51,944 --> 00:42:54,488
I started seeing other girls
around the house.
883
00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:58,617
I'm in this room,
884
00:42:58,617 --> 00:43:00,619
I'm sitting on the bed,
and I'm just, uh, waiting for,
885
00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,205
uh, Rob to give
the next order, pretty much.
886
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:05,791
When he opened the door,
he walked in
887
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:07,293
and he saw me on my phone.
888
00:43:07,293 --> 00:43:08,669
And that's when he explained
889
00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,130
that I can't be
on my cell phone.
890
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,049
That started the, the rules.
891
00:43:14,049 --> 00:43:16,969
(distorted): I've known
R. Kelly for about 20 years.
892
00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:19,888
I was around him a lot,
893
00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:23,309
and that's when I started
to notice the system
894
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:26,979
of how girls are handled
and that it was real off.
895
00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:30,316
They couldn't have communication
with other people.
896
00:43:30,316 --> 00:43:32,985
They're not even allowed
to communicate with each other.
897
00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,696
I had to give him
an update about everything.
898
00:43:35,696 --> 00:43:38,657
Like, if I was about to brush
my teeth, I had to let Rob know.
899
00:43:38,657 --> 00:43:40,826
If I wanted to take a shower,
he had to know.
900
00:43:40,826 --> 00:43:43,162
And then, uh,
when guys came around,
901
00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:44,705
I had to put my head down
902
00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:46,290
or I had to turn
and face a wall.
903
00:43:47,499 --> 00:43:50,002
When you disobey him
or you question him,
904
00:43:50,002 --> 00:43:52,504
that's considered
breaking the rules.
905
00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:55,674
Perfect example--
there was one time Rob and I
906
00:43:55,674 --> 00:43:57,176
was talking about basketball.
907
00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:58,594
He likes the Chicago Bulls.
908
00:43:58,594 --> 00:44:00,888
And I said, you know,
I like the, the Cavaliers.
909
00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:02,222
And he said,
910
00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:03,891
"No, you like the Bulls."
I was like,
911
00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:06,226
"I don't like the Bulls,"
and that was a problem.
912
00:44:06,226 --> 00:44:08,562
Rob slapped me in my face.
913
00:44:08,562 --> 00:44:10,189
And he told me,
"Well, guess what.
914
00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,523
You're not eating."
And I said,
915
00:44:11,523 --> 00:44:13,233
"Okay, this is a joke."
I thought he was just
916
00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:14,485
playing around.
917
00:44:17,696 --> 00:44:21,700
The no-eat list is somebody
who "disobeys Daddy."
918
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,869
That's when he decides
to starve you.
919
00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:28,374
The longest I've gone
without food
920
00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:30,084
at his house was three days.
921
00:44:30,084 --> 00:44:34,088
I was surviving off water
and some peanuts that I had.
922
00:44:36,131 --> 00:44:38,175
FORMER EMPLOYEE (distorted):
When a girl is confined
923
00:44:38,175 --> 00:44:39,593
to the tour bus
924
00:44:39,593 --> 00:44:43,722
or to a room, um,
there would always be
925
00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:45,599
a possibility that she would go
926
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,018
more than a day or two
without food.
927
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:53,816
PRODUCER: Can you describe
the physical abuse?
928
00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:55,818
(stifled crying)
929
00:44:57,903 --> 00:44:59,947
(voice breaking, stammering)
930
00:45:02,783 --> 00:45:04,785
(stifled crying)
931
00:45:09,915 --> 00:45:13,085
-I-I'm sorry. (sniffles)
-It's okay.
932
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:14,670
NORCOTT:
Abusers often use
933
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:18,382
isolation, so they'll have,
slowly over time,
934
00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:22,177
isolated a girl or a woman
from her family.
935
00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:23,929
And then say,
"There's nobody else for you.
936
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,931
Nobody else cares about you
but me. Where are you gonna go?"
937
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:31,228
JERHONDA: I started to believe
that I was nothing without Rob.
938
00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:33,981
I started to believe
that Rob was everything.
939
00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:38,569
And he became...
he became everything for me.
940
00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:47,619
Back in 2009, Rob pretty much
just sent me out on a hunt,
941
00:45:47,619 --> 00:45:50,164
like, "Go find somebody,"
and I was like, "Dominique."
942
00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:52,166
You know, I thought
Dominique was perfect.
943
00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:55,961
Dominique and I had met
on MySpace.
944
00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:58,797
We was fans of his.
We just...
945
00:45:58,797 --> 00:46:01,300
bonded and we had
a really good friendship going
946
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,260
based on liking R. Kelly.
947
00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:12,311
MICHELLE KRAMER: The girl,
Jerhonda, started coming over,
948
00:46:12,311 --> 00:46:16,440
like on the weekends and then
during the week, and then...
949
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,442
You know,
they was like best friends.
950
00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:20,652
She was
951
00:46:20,652 --> 00:46:22,362
hanging out with her.
952
00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:23,906
But I'm thinking
it's the movies,
953
00:46:23,906 --> 00:46:26,366
I'm thinking it's bowling.
954
00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:29,661
Things that teenagers do.
But it wasn't.
955
00:46:31,705 --> 00:46:35,083
She had a girlfriend
that called me
956
00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:37,294
and said,
"Do you know where Nikka's at?"
957
00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:40,172
And I said,
"Yeah, she's with her friend."
958
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:42,674
She said,
"She's been lying to you.
959
00:46:42,674 --> 00:46:46,303
Nikka has been seeing R. Kelly."
960
00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:50,682
And I was like... (scoffs)
"Girl, what'd you say?"
961
00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:53,852
JERHONDA: I didn't see my friend
Dominique in the house,
962
00:46:53,852 --> 00:46:55,687
but I knew Dominique was there
963
00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:57,689
because we would both sneak
and be on our cell phones,
964
00:46:57,689 --> 00:47:00,275
and that's when Dominique
was sharing that, you know,
965
00:47:00,275 --> 00:47:01,693
Rob, any time he felt
like she was doing
966
00:47:01,693 --> 00:47:03,111
something silly,
he would slap her.
967
00:47:04,154 --> 00:47:05,739
And me and her used to
968
00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:07,783
always try to meet up
in the house,
969
00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:10,202
and it never worked out.
970
00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:12,496
We were both on our cell phones
texting each other like, "Okay.
971
00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:14,706
"I'm gonna call and ask to go
to the bathroom right now.
972
00:47:14,706 --> 00:47:16,166
"You call and ask to go
to the bathroom.
973
00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:17,709
"We're gonna meet
at this bathroom,
974
00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:19,086
on this side of the house."
975
00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:21,129
So I would be in, like,
one of those locations,
976
00:47:21,129 --> 00:47:23,257
but we never, ever got
the chance to meet up.
977
00:47:24,299 --> 00:47:26,718
MICHELLE:
I called the police.
978
00:47:26,718 --> 00:47:29,763
And Olympia Fields Police
met us there.
979
00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:31,557
And it was carloads
980
00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:33,809
of young girls just going in.
981
00:47:43,652 --> 00:47:45,737
So she came home.
982
00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:47,239
I'm hollering, I was shouting.
983
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,742
I was saying,
"This is a grown man, he's sick.
984
00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:52,911
You know he just got off
on some charges."
985
00:47:52,911 --> 00:47:55,914
And, um, I said,
986
00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:57,124
"Give me his phone number."
987
00:47:57,124 --> 00:47:58,542
He answered.
988
00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:01,003
I said, "R. Kelly, this is
Michelle Kramer.
989
00:48:01,003 --> 00:48:03,046
"So I want you
to remember my name.
990
00:48:03,046 --> 00:48:05,173
"Okay?
991
00:48:05,173 --> 00:48:07,092
Stay the (bleep) away
from my daughter."
992
00:48:17,853 --> 00:48:19,730
REPORTER:
According to the report,
993
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:22,774
he's keeping young women
in a cult-like atmosphere.
994
00:48:22,774 --> 00:48:25,485
It's been two years now. We
still haven't seen our daughter.
995
00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:29,281
KANIKA: He would beat me,
and I just started thinking
996
00:48:29,281 --> 00:48:30,616
of ways to, like,
997
00:48:30,616 --> 00:48:33,952
either end my life or end his.
998
00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,163
I saw my daughter,
I hugged my daughter,
999
00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:37,789
I kissed my daughter.
1000
00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:39,124
I done came too damn close.
1001
00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:40,125
Are you kidding me?
1002
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,960
I'm gonna continue to fight.
1003
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,253
That's what mothers do.
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