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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,255 --> 00:00:15,506 Oh, I didn't pay. Can you pay here? 2 00:00:23,547 --> 00:00:27,798 Oh, my gosh. It took my card. 3 00:00:31,381 --> 00:00:34,047 You might want to go back, dude. 4 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:36,923 So today I'm getting filmed 5 00:00:37,005 --> 00:00:40,756 about my job at CIA. 6 00:00:40,839 --> 00:00:44,089 I know you-you were, um, studying 7 00:00:44,172 --> 00:00:47,381 about Afghanistan and-- 8 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:48,673 All the wars. 9 00:00:48,756 --> 00:00:53,005 All the wars, and you, um, were a spy. 10 00:00:54,756 --> 00:00:57,756 I worked with spies. It's true. 11 00:01:00,589 --> 00:01:03,130 I'll never feel like an Afghanistan expert. 12 00:01:05,297 --> 00:01:09,381 The war, it's so complex. 13 00:01:09,464 --> 00:01:12,506 It's almost been cyclical with our U.S. government as well. 14 00:01:15,798 --> 00:01:18,005 What is the mission? What is the goal there? 15 00:01:19,255 --> 00:01:21,214 ♪ Soft music ♪ 16 00:01:21,297 --> 00:01:24,422 And I got to know Afghans. I worked with Afghans. 17 00:01:24,506 --> 00:01:26,923 I'm a woman, a mother. 18 00:01:27,005 --> 00:01:30,047 My heart hurts for these people 19 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:34,547 because I just don't see how this ends. 20 00:01:34,631 --> 00:01:38,839 ♪♪♪ 21 00:01:41,005 --> 00:01:43,839 After the extraordinary sacrifice 22 00:01:43,923 --> 00:01:45,798 of blood and treasure, 23 00:01:45,881 --> 00:01:48,547 the American people are weary 24 00:01:48,631 --> 00:01:52,339 of the longest war in American history. 25 00:01:52,422 --> 00:01:55,839 This year we will bring America's longest war 26 00:01:55,923 --> 00:01:58,005 to a responsible end. 27 00:01:58,089 --> 00:02:00,464 I want the Afghan people to understand-- 28 00:02:00,547 --> 00:02:04,756 America seeks an end to this era of war and suffering. 29 00:02:04,839 --> 00:02:06,047 We know from the history 30 00:02:06,130 --> 00:02:07,964 of military conflict in Afghanistan, 31 00:02:08,047 --> 00:02:09,839 it's been one of initial success 32 00:02:09,923 --> 00:02:11,547 followed by long years 33 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:14,839 of floundering and ultimate failure. 34 00:02:14,923 --> 00:02:16,381 We're not gonna repeat that mistake. 35 00:02:16,464 --> 00:02:18,964 We welcome the distinguished interim leader 36 00:02:19,047 --> 00:02:22,172 of a liberated Afghanistan, Chairman Hamid Karzai. 37 00:02:23,547 --> 00:02:25,422 Osama bin Laden publicly vowed 38 00:02:25,506 --> 00:02:27,047 to wage a terrorist war 39 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:29,255 against America from Afghanistan. 40 00:02:29,339 --> 00:02:31,714 This will be a long ongoing struggle 41 00:02:31,798 --> 00:02:34,839 between freedom and fanaticism. 42 00:02:34,923 --> 00:02:36,422 Our commitment to the people there 43 00:02:36,506 --> 00:02:39,798 would lead to a peaceful Afghanistan 44 00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:41,422 with no more bloodbaths. 45 00:02:41,506 --> 00:02:43,839 The goal of the United States 46 00:02:43,923 --> 00:02:47,130 remains a genuinely independent Afghanistan, 47 00:02:47,214 --> 00:02:49,589 free from external interference. 48 00:02:49,673 --> 00:02:52,756 Massive Soviet military forces have invaded 49 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:56,297 the small sovereign nation of Afghanistan. 50 00:02:56,381 --> 00:03:00,839 History teaches that aggression unopposed 51 00:03:00,923 --> 00:03:03,172 becomes a contagious disease. 52 00:03:03,255 --> 00:03:08,381 ♪♪♪ 53 00:03:13,214 --> 00:03:15,339 I grew up thinking Afghanistan 54 00:03:15,422 --> 00:03:17,631 was the biggest country in the world, 55 00:03:17,714 --> 00:03:19,798 the most beautiful country in the world, 56 00:03:19,881 --> 00:03:22,172 the most developed country in the world, 57 00:03:22,255 --> 00:03:24,297 with a huge passion for my country 58 00:03:24,381 --> 00:03:26,839 because it was very much 59 00:03:26,923 --> 00:03:30,130 the same, uh, thing my father shared. 60 00:03:30,214 --> 00:03:34,130 ♪♪♪ 61 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,839 In a very romantic way, 62 00:03:36,923 --> 00:03:39,923 my father was always talking about the Afghanistan 63 00:03:40,005 --> 00:03:42,297 that he had experienced. 64 00:03:43,089 --> 00:03:45,798 They would go on the weekends to restaurants. 65 00:03:45,881 --> 00:03:49,297 They would take a walk in the park. 66 00:03:49,381 --> 00:03:54,047 But these were all those, uh, fairy tales to us. 67 00:03:54,130 --> 00:03:57,881 Mm, we never experienced Afghanistan that way. 68 00:03:57,964 --> 00:04:03,089 ♪♪♪ 69 00:04:05,964 --> 00:04:10,589 One thing in common about many of these fights in my country 70 00:04:10,673 --> 00:04:13,005 is that, unfortunately, 71 00:04:13,089 --> 00:04:17,923 it's our soil that is being used for various wars 72 00:04:18,005 --> 00:04:20,839 between the global powers. 73 00:04:20,923 --> 00:04:25,798 ♪♪♪ 74 00:04:29,589 --> 00:04:31,964 The world simply cannot stand by 75 00:04:32,047 --> 00:04:34,047 and permit the Soviet Union 76 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:36,798 to commit this act with impunity. 77 00:04:38,798 --> 00:04:41,631 The Soviets killed about ten percent of the population. 78 00:04:43,047 --> 00:04:45,089 It was a genocide, 79 00:04:45,172 --> 00:04:48,464 and the military was not doing anything about it, 80 00:04:48,547 --> 00:04:51,756 but I heard that, uh, the agency did. 81 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,881 The CIA director says, 82 00:04:53,964 --> 00:04:57,381 "I want you to go out there and win this." 83 00:04:57,464 --> 00:04:59,964 I was the Washington Post correspondent 84 00:05:00,047 --> 00:05:02,756 in, uh, South Asia, so the Afghan War 85 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,756 was pretty much the biggest story on my beat. 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,547 Pakistan had an immediate refugee flow. 87 00:05:09,631 --> 00:05:12,839 They went to their ally, the United States, and said, 88 00:05:12,923 --> 00:05:14,422 "We've got all these rebels 89 00:05:14,506 --> 00:05:17,506 who are coming into our country as refugees. 90 00:05:17,589 --> 00:05:20,673 They want to liberate their country 91 00:05:20,756 --> 00:05:22,214 from Soviet occupation. 92 00:05:22,297 --> 00:05:24,714 We, the Pakistan government, are inclined to help them, 93 00:05:24,798 --> 00:05:26,881 but we could use your support as well." 94 00:05:26,964 --> 00:05:29,422 And so we were told to get busy 95 00:05:29,506 --> 00:05:31,172 and try to figure out what was happening 96 00:05:31,255 --> 00:05:33,381 with these guys called the mujahideen. 97 00:05:34,881 --> 00:05:37,130 People knew that the CIA 98 00:05:37,214 --> 00:05:38,798 was supporting the Afghans. 99 00:05:38,881 --> 00:05:40,464 They could never know how. 100 00:05:40,547 --> 00:05:43,798 So we then decided we would use the Pakistanis 101 00:05:43,881 --> 00:05:46,547 as our surrogates to support the mujahideen. 102 00:05:48,464 --> 00:05:50,631 Speaking native language 103 00:05:50,714 --> 00:05:52,714 The Soviet presence in Afghanistan 104 00:05:52,798 --> 00:05:55,422 is a major impediment 105 00:05:55,506 --> 00:05:57,297 to improved U.S.-Soviet relations, 106 00:05:57,381 --> 00:05:59,756 and we would like to remove it. 107 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,339 We were putting in a variety of weapons systems 108 00:06:02,422 --> 00:06:04,422 into the hands of the mujahideen. 109 00:06:04,506 --> 00:06:06,381 The United States started to provide 110 00:06:06,464 --> 00:06:08,547 these Stinger antiaircraft missiles 111 00:06:08,631 --> 00:06:13,089 to equip the rebels to fight the Soviets as equals. 112 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:15,923 They started knocking Soviet aircraft out of the sky 113 00:06:16,005 --> 00:06:17,589 by the hundreds. 114 00:06:17,673 --> 00:06:19,339 That changed the war, 115 00:06:19,422 --> 00:06:21,881 and it showed that the U.S. government was serious 116 00:06:22,005 --> 00:06:24,589 about not just inflicting some damage on the Soviets 117 00:06:24,673 --> 00:06:28,172 but actually getting them to leave Afghanistan, 118 00:06:28,255 --> 00:06:29,714 which is what they did. 119 00:06:29,798 --> 00:06:32,673 And as soon as Boris Gromov rode on that tank 120 00:06:32,756 --> 00:06:34,881 out to the middle of Friendship Bridge 121 00:06:34,964 --> 00:06:36,839 from Afghanistan, 122 00:06:36,923 --> 00:06:41,130 I hit send on a cable that was typed out using Xs 123 00:06:41,214 --> 00:06:44,339 to make a big, "We won." 124 00:06:44,422 --> 00:06:45,964 ♪♪♪ 125 00:06:46,047 --> 00:06:47,839 I wrote an article and put the name on it, 126 00:06:47,923 --> 00:06:49,339 "Graveyard of Empires." 127 00:06:49,422 --> 00:06:53,089 My point was, it's very easy getting in there, 128 00:06:53,172 --> 00:06:57,422 but getting out is immensely difficult, 129 00:06:57,506 --> 00:07:01,005 and winning is... 130 00:07:01,089 --> 00:07:02,839 very, very questionable. 131 00:07:02,964 --> 00:07:04,255 Whatever winning means, 132 00:07:04,339 --> 00:07:07,005 you usually don't get it in Afghanistan. 133 00:07:07,089 --> 00:07:12,005 ♪♪♪ 134 00:07:15,964 --> 00:07:19,297 Kabul has changed a lot in the last several years. 135 00:07:19,381 --> 00:07:20,714 It used to be that you could 136 00:07:20,798 --> 00:07:21,923 kind of walk around the streets 137 00:07:22,005 --> 00:07:23,547 and pick up a cab 138 00:07:23,631 --> 00:07:26,589 and go to a restaurant, have a nice meal. 139 00:07:26,673 --> 00:07:29,005 If you're a foreigner, that's basically all gone. 140 00:07:29,089 --> 00:07:31,673 ♪♪♪ 141 00:07:31,756 --> 00:07:34,172 The Taliban have done a campaign of attacking 142 00:07:34,255 --> 00:07:37,589 anywhere Westerners gather, and we're in an armored car 143 00:07:37,673 --> 00:07:40,756 because it's regarded as too dangerous now, 144 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:43,547 which is a pity because Kabul is an amazingly beautiful 145 00:07:43,631 --> 00:07:45,589 and vibrant city. 146 00:07:45,673 --> 00:07:48,589 The city is now brimming with up to six million people, 147 00:07:48,673 --> 00:07:50,422 and it's a very different Kabul than the one I remember 148 00:07:50,506 --> 00:07:53,214 under the Taliban or during the Civil War. 149 00:07:53,297 --> 00:07:58,381 ♪♪♪ 150 00:08:01,422 --> 00:08:02,964 The United States ended its official presence 151 00:08:03,047 --> 00:08:04,798 in Afghanistan today, two weeks before 152 00:08:04,881 --> 00:08:07,506 Soviet troops are scheduled to complete their pullout. 153 00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:09,172 Our State Department correspondent 154 00:08:09,255 --> 00:08:11,089 Bill Plante reports. 155 00:08:11,964 --> 00:08:14,464 A marine guard hauled down the stars and stripes 156 00:08:14,547 --> 00:08:16,297 at the U.S. embassy in Kabul 157 00:08:16,381 --> 00:08:17,881 as the remaining handful of diplomats 158 00:08:17,964 --> 00:08:19,756 prepared to get out of Afghanistan 159 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:21,547 as soon as weather permits. 160 00:08:21,631 --> 00:08:23,506 The U.S. joins other Western nations 161 00:08:23,589 --> 00:08:25,047 which have temporarily pulled out, 162 00:08:25,130 --> 00:08:27,464 fearing chaos after Soviet troops 163 00:08:27,547 --> 00:08:29,589 end their ten-year occupation. 164 00:08:36,964 --> 00:08:40,214 I first got into, uh, Afghanistan 165 00:08:40,297 --> 00:08:42,297 by crossing the-the frontier 166 00:08:42,381 --> 00:08:45,172 between Pakistan and Afghanistan 167 00:08:45,255 --> 00:08:49,214 with a group of mujahideen in mid-1989, 168 00:08:49,297 --> 00:08:52,881 just as the Soviet Union had, uh, withdrawn. 169 00:08:52,964 --> 00:08:55,631 ♪♪♪ 170 00:08:55,714 --> 00:08:58,631 I was working with an aid agency, 171 00:08:58,714 --> 00:09:00,964 trying to help both with refugees in Pakistan 172 00:09:01,047 --> 00:09:03,964 and inside Afghanistan. 173 00:09:04,047 --> 00:09:08,339 People were readying themselves for the fight 174 00:09:08,422 --> 00:09:13,047 over who would claim Afghanistan 175 00:09:13,130 --> 00:09:16,172 now that the-the Soviets had got out. 176 00:09:16,255 --> 00:09:20,839 ♪♪♪ 177 00:09:22,506 --> 00:09:25,756 America made a fatal mistake. 178 00:09:25,839 --> 00:09:29,589 The Afghan thing was almost totally forgotten. 179 00:09:29,673 --> 00:09:33,339 The result was that an Afghanistan 180 00:09:33,422 --> 00:09:38,005 so overloaded with ordnance and awash with money 181 00:09:38,089 --> 00:09:40,422 slipped into its own devices. 182 00:09:41,756 --> 00:09:43,589 From a war correspondent's perspective, 183 00:09:43,673 --> 00:09:44,964 by the time I was traveling around 184 00:09:45,047 --> 00:09:46,172 in the war in the early '90s, 185 00:09:46,255 --> 00:09:48,130 it had become a nasty civil war. 186 00:09:50,547 --> 00:09:51,714 The thing I remember most 187 00:09:51,798 --> 00:09:53,673 was how lonely it was. 188 00:09:54,756 --> 00:09:57,714 Kabul was like a ghost city. 189 00:09:57,798 --> 00:10:00,798 You could stand in a major intersection, 190 00:10:00,881 --> 00:10:04,714 which now has endless clogged traffic jams, 191 00:10:04,798 --> 00:10:08,130 and see no one and hear nothing but bicycle spokes 192 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:10,339 and horse carriage bells. 193 00:10:10,422 --> 00:10:12,631 It was very haunting. 194 00:10:12,714 --> 00:10:14,881 Yelling in native language 195 00:10:14,964 --> 00:10:17,172 There was rape. There was robbery. 196 00:10:17,255 --> 00:10:21,506 Buildings were rocketed and shot all the time. 197 00:10:21,589 --> 00:10:23,756 People were terrified. 198 00:10:24,881 --> 00:10:27,964 Out of the fight, street by street in Kabul, 199 00:10:28,047 --> 00:10:31,798 replicated in the sort of districts of the country, 200 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:33,923 we got the Taliban movement. 201 00:10:35,506 --> 00:10:38,464 I can recall the precise moment 202 00:10:38,547 --> 00:10:41,631 in which I learnt of the Taliban movement. 203 00:10:41,714 --> 00:10:44,923 I was at a garden party, and a posh Englishman 204 00:10:45,005 --> 00:10:49,422 told me about this supposedly Islamic student movement 205 00:10:49,506 --> 00:10:53,005 which had just taken over a swath of territory in Kandahar 206 00:10:53,089 --> 00:10:57,506 and was chasing after these money-grubbing, gun-wielding, 207 00:10:57,589 --> 00:11:00,714 you know, commanders left over from the mujahideen, 208 00:11:00,798 --> 00:11:03,214 hanging them up from trees and posts 209 00:11:03,297 --> 00:11:06,756 and stuffing money in their mouths, 210 00:11:06,839 --> 00:11:07,964 and he told me, 211 00:11:08,047 --> 00:11:10,422 "Michael, this looks like the next big thing," 212 00:11:10,506 --> 00:11:12,756 um, and he was right. 213 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:14,839 The Taliban advertised themselves 214 00:11:14,923 --> 00:11:17,839 as a kind of purifying force, a cleansing force 215 00:11:17,923 --> 00:11:21,130 that would reunify Afghanistan under the banner of Islam. 216 00:11:23,214 --> 00:11:27,130 That was very attractive to the Pakistanis. 217 00:11:27,214 --> 00:11:29,631 They didn't want Afghanistan to be a threat, 218 00:11:29,714 --> 00:11:32,422 and so the Pakistani government 219 00:11:32,506 --> 00:11:34,130 threw their weight militarily 220 00:11:34,214 --> 00:11:37,506 and financially behind the Taliban, 221 00:11:37,589 --> 00:11:39,464 and by early 1996, 222 00:11:39,547 --> 00:11:42,339 they controlled three-fourths of Afghanistan. 223 00:11:43,381 --> 00:11:45,506 They often conquered without firing a shot. 224 00:11:45,589 --> 00:11:47,506 They would just ride into a town 225 00:11:47,589 --> 00:11:49,130 holding Korans in the air 226 00:11:49,214 --> 00:11:53,631 or waving the flags of, uh, their movement or of Islam, 227 00:11:53,714 --> 00:11:57,631 and whole garrisons would just, uh, change sides. 228 00:11:57,714 --> 00:12:00,172 The gratitude began to fade 229 00:12:00,255 --> 00:12:02,589 and be replaced with something else 230 00:12:02,673 --> 00:12:05,923 when it became clear that the Taliban wanted 231 00:12:06,005 --> 00:12:10,255 to enforce an extremely restrictive version of Islam. 232 00:12:12,422 --> 00:12:14,756 I went to Afghanistan as a journalist, 233 00:12:14,839 --> 00:12:17,923 I think, five or six times, 234 00:12:18,005 --> 00:12:20,005 and that meant that you had to get a visa 235 00:12:20,089 --> 00:12:22,381 from the Taliban government, 236 00:12:22,464 --> 00:12:24,464 which meant that you were there under very limited 237 00:12:24,547 --> 00:12:28,339 and very strict conditions, and there were many conditions. 238 00:12:28,422 --> 00:12:30,839 Number one, you had to completely cover yourself 239 00:12:30,923 --> 00:12:32,172 except your face. 240 00:12:32,255 --> 00:12:34,464 Number two, you couldn't meet with women. 241 00:12:34,547 --> 00:12:37,673 Number three, you couldn't take pictures of anything. 242 00:12:37,756 --> 00:12:39,005 I had a camera, a small camera, 243 00:12:39,089 --> 00:12:41,130 hidden under my voluminous scarf, 244 00:12:41,214 --> 00:12:44,047 and we stopped at a bakery to buy some bread, 245 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:47,714 and I saw this boy's face through the window, 246 00:12:47,798 --> 00:12:49,798 and I just ducked into the bakery, 247 00:12:49,881 --> 00:12:51,130 and I got out my camera, 248 00:12:51,214 --> 00:12:53,714 and I just took this one single picture of him, 249 00:12:53,798 --> 00:12:54,923 and then I left. 250 00:12:55,005 --> 00:12:59,881 ♪♪♪ 251 00:13:03,673 --> 00:13:08,047 There was no music, no-no TV, no phone system to speak of. 252 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:10,714 Women were locked inside their houses. 253 00:13:10,798 --> 00:13:13,923 Girls were not educated. The economy totally collapsed. 254 00:13:14,005 --> 00:13:18,214 ♪♪♪ 255 00:13:18,297 --> 00:13:22,047 The deal was, you get the right to life, 256 00:13:22,130 --> 00:13:25,881 and you give up pretty much all other rights. 257 00:13:25,964 --> 00:13:31,089 ♪♪♪ 258 00:13:35,673 --> 00:13:38,714 This is the pictures of all the ambassadors 259 00:13:38,798 --> 00:13:40,798 that served here. 260 00:13:40,881 --> 00:13:43,589 As you can see, there are no women. 261 00:13:43,673 --> 00:13:46,673 So here, I would come as a shock factor, 262 00:13:46,756 --> 00:13:48,923 but that's where the change happens. 263 00:13:58,005 --> 00:13:59,381 Starting '92, 264 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:02,798 I found the country in the worst possible shape. 265 00:14:02,881 --> 00:14:07,839 There was this, uh, ambience 266 00:14:07,923 --> 00:14:11,339 of darkness and fear 267 00:14:11,422 --> 00:14:13,047 and gloom. 268 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:15,964 ♪♪♪ 269 00:14:16,047 --> 00:14:18,923 We have to wear burkas. 270 00:14:19,005 --> 00:14:21,089 We never wore burkas in my entire life. 271 00:14:21,172 --> 00:14:23,881 I was a young teenager, and I thought, "Why? 272 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:26,631 Why should I be like this?" 273 00:14:26,714 --> 00:14:29,547 I told my family that I am going to sew 274 00:14:29,631 --> 00:14:32,464 the two big shawls that we had 275 00:14:32,547 --> 00:14:34,798 so that I will have a very big sheet, 276 00:14:34,881 --> 00:14:36,881 and I would fully cover myself, 277 00:14:36,964 --> 00:14:39,714 but I am not gonna wear a burka. 278 00:14:39,798 --> 00:14:44,464 It symbolized so much oppression to me. 279 00:14:44,547 --> 00:14:49,005 ♪♪♪ 280 00:14:51,089 --> 00:14:52,839 In 2001, 281 00:14:52,923 --> 00:14:57,464 there were 900,000 students in school, 282 00:14:57,547 --> 00:14:59,506 and the number of girls? 283 00:14:59,589 --> 00:15:01,089 Zero. 284 00:15:03,589 --> 00:15:07,172 We did not want our generations to be illiterate. 285 00:15:07,255 --> 00:15:10,798 So, if somebody knew math, 286 00:15:10,881 --> 00:15:13,714 they would quietly tell 287 00:15:13,798 --> 00:15:16,339 the neighborhood, uh, boys and girls 288 00:15:16,422 --> 00:15:19,756 that, "We will teach you math," 289 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:22,130 but that always had to be hidden. 290 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:27,089 We said, "When you guys are victorious 291 00:15:27,172 --> 00:15:29,089 and the Soviets are gone, we're finished. 292 00:15:29,172 --> 00:15:31,130 We turn the country over to you. 293 00:15:31,214 --> 00:15:32,506 We're not here forever." 294 00:15:32,589 --> 00:15:35,255 ♪♪♪ 295 00:15:35,339 --> 00:15:38,130 When that happened, we basically walked away. 296 00:15:38,214 --> 00:15:43,255 ♪♪♪ 297 00:15:44,172 --> 00:15:46,547 When the Taliban took over, most people said, 298 00:15:46,631 --> 00:15:47,839 "There's nothing we can do about it, 299 00:15:47,923 --> 00:15:49,214 so we're not gonna do anything. 300 00:15:49,297 --> 00:15:51,547 We're not even gonna worry about it." 301 00:15:51,631 --> 00:15:54,547 Our interest really was when bin Laden went there, 302 00:15:54,631 --> 00:15:58,130 rather than anything that's gonna change Afghanistan. 303 00:15:58,214 --> 00:16:03,005 ♪♪♪ 304 00:16:03,089 --> 00:16:05,881 I come from a rural family. 305 00:16:06,005 --> 00:16:08,589 Uh, we were one of the destitute families, 306 00:16:08,673 --> 00:16:10,464 uh, due to war, 307 00:16:10,547 --> 00:16:14,798 and, uh, when I became able enough, 308 00:16:14,881 --> 00:16:16,923 I went back to the valley, 309 00:16:17,005 --> 00:16:20,798 and I joined, uh, the forces fighting the regime. 310 00:16:20,881 --> 00:16:22,547 At the age of 19, 311 00:16:22,631 --> 00:16:25,005 he was already a seasoned war veteran 312 00:16:25,089 --> 00:16:27,255 in charge of rebuilding villages 313 00:16:27,339 --> 00:16:28,881 bombed in the fighting. 314 00:16:28,964 --> 00:16:30,589 Couple of years later, 315 00:16:30,673 --> 00:16:33,422 I was given intelligence assignment. 316 00:16:33,506 --> 00:16:36,756 So, since '97, I was assigned 317 00:16:36,839 --> 00:16:39,005 to handle the overall relationship 318 00:16:39,089 --> 00:16:41,255 with the, uh--with the CIA. 319 00:16:43,005 --> 00:16:45,756 The strategic aspect of the relationship 320 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:48,422 was telling them what is terrorism, 321 00:16:48,506 --> 00:16:52,714 what is bin Laden, what is al-Qaeda, 322 00:16:52,798 --> 00:16:56,589 and what type of threat does it pose 323 00:16:56,673 --> 00:16:59,839 to U.S. interest in the wider region 324 00:16:59,923 --> 00:17:02,506 and how we should, uh, cope with it. 325 00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:04,839 Of course, they were not very receptive 326 00:17:04,923 --> 00:17:08,089 of our strategic analysis. 327 00:17:08,172 --> 00:17:11,130 They were showing very little interest 328 00:17:11,214 --> 00:17:13,506 to the hosts of al-Qaeda. 329 00:17:13,589 --> 00:17:16,798 They were showing very, very little interest 330 00:17:16,881 --> 00:17:19,214 to the plight of the Afghan people, 331 00:17:19,297 --> 00:17:23,756 who were suffering under that terrorist regime. 332 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,130 ♪♪♪ 333 00:17:26,214 --> 00:17:27,756 One thing Afghans don't need a lot of help with 334 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,172 is fighting, uh, and, uh-- 335 00:17:30,255 --> 00:17:33,005 but a number of Arabs, like Osama bin Laden, came, 336 00:17:33,089 --> 00:17:34,214 and they were very idealistic. 337 00:17:34,297 --> 00:17:35,673 They weren't very large in number. 338 00:17:35,756 --> 00:17:37,172 They weren't very military effective. 339 00:17:37,255 --> 00:17:39,506 They didn't have any fighting experience. 340 00:17:39,589 --> 00:17:41,047 But they got together, 341 00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:43,506 and he founded al-Qaeda over the course 342 00:17:43,589 --> 00:17:45,881 of a couple of weekends in Pakistan 343 00:17:45,964 --> 00:17:49,130 in August of 1988. 344 00:17:49,214 --> 00:17:52,255 It was a very secretive organization. 345 00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:54,839 They really didn't have very many places to go, 346 00:17:54,923 --> 00:17:57,881 and Afghanistan was one place where bin Laden thought 347 00:17:57,964 --> 00:18:02,130 he could establish al-Qaeda's headquarters. 348 00:18:03,214 --> 00:18:05,881 In '96, I read a State Department report 349 00:18:05,964 --> 00:18:07,172 about bin Laden 350 00:18:07,255 --> 00:18:09,381 saying he's financing Islamic extremism. 351 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:12,339 He's recruited all of these Arabs from around the world, 352 00:18:12,422 --> 00:18:13,923 and he could be a problem. 353 00:18:14,005 --> 00:18:15,255 So I went to my bosses at CNN. 354 00:18:15,339 --> 00:18:17,547 I said, "Let's try and interview this guy." 355 00:18:17,631 --> 00:18:19,923 You know, this is, like, the hostage video. 356 00:18:20,005 --> 00:18:22,881 Yeah. The hostage video. 357 00:18:22,964 --> 00:18:25,589 ♪♪♪ 358 00:18:25,673 --> 00:18:27,798 There we are. We look almost human. 359 00:18:31,964 --> 00:18:34,881 Speaking native language 360 00:18:43,047 --> 00:18:45,297 No one really paid any attention until 1998, 361 00:18:45,381 --> 00:18:47,714 when al-Qaeda blew up two American embassies 362 00:18:47,798 --> 00:18:49,673 within nine minutes of each other. 363 00:18:49,756 --> 00:18:52,964 Two bombs exploded almost simultaneously today 364 00:18:53,047 --> 00:18:55,589 at the U.S. embassies in the East Africa nations 365 00:18:55,673 --> 00:18:57,214 of Kenya and Tanzania. 366 00:18:57,297 --> 00:18:59,339 U.S. officials say the bombings 367 00:18:59,422 --> 00:19:01,923 have all the fingerprints of Middle East terror. 368 00:19:02,005 --> 00:19:03,381 That is when it became clear 369 00:19:03,464 --> 00:19:04,673 that bin Laden and al-Qaeda 370 00:19:04,756 --> 00:19:06,464 was really a big deal and could-- 371 00:19:06,547 --> 00:19:08,714 not only were spouting all this anti-American rhetoric 372 00:19:08,798 --> 00:19:12,714 but trying to kill, you know, large numbers of Americans. 373 00:19:12,798 --> 00:19:14,923 There is convincing information 374 00:19:15,005 --> 00:19:16,964 from our intelligence community 375 00:19:17,047 --> 00:19:19,047 that the bin Laden terrorist network 376 00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:22,381 was responsible for these bombings. 377 00:19:22,464 --> 00:19:24,255 Bin Laden was constantly moving, 378 00:19:24,339 --> 00:19:27,255 and we were using Afghan tribal networks 379 00:19:27,339 --> 00:19:30,339 to report on his travels and his whereabouts. 380 00:19:31,297 --> 00:19:32,923 Our tribal contacts came to us, 381 00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:35,255 and they said, "Look, he's in this location now. 382 00:19:35,339 --> 00:19:37,881 When he leaves, he's gonna have to go through 383 00:19:37,964 --> 00:19:39,214 this particular crossroads," 384 00:19:39,297 --> 00:19:41,964 and so what they proposed was to bury 385 00:19:42,047 --> 00:19:45,214 a huge cache of explosives underneath those crossroads 386 00:19:45,297 --> 00:19:48,422 so that when his convoy came through, 387 00:19:48,506 --> 00:19:50,339 they could simply blow it up. 388 00:19:50,422 --> 00:19:53,798 And we said, "Absolutely not." 389 00:19:53,881 --> 00:19:57,798 We were risking jail if we didn't tell them that, 390 00:19:57,881 --> 00:20:01,464 because the CIA had a so-called lethal finding 391 00:20:01,547 --> 00:20:03,839 that had been signed by President Clinton 392 00:20:03,923 --> 00:20:06,464 which said that we could engage in 393 00:20:06,547 --> 00:20:09,130 "lethal activity" against bin Laden, 394 00:20:09,214 --> 00:20:13,839 but the purpose of our attack on bin Laden 395 00:20:13,923 --> 00:20:16,339 couldn't be to kill him. 396 00:20:16,422 --> 00:20:19,881 We were being asked to remove this threat 397 00:20:19,964 --> 00:20:22,381 to the United States 398 00:20:22,464 --> 00:20:27,422 essentially with one hand tied behind our backs. 399 00:20:28,923 --> 00:20:31,172 I was a fairly junior officer, 400 00:20:31,255 --> 00:20:33,923 and as al-Qaeda grew into a worldwide presence, 401 00:20:34,005 --> 00:20:35,798 we were very sensitive 402 00:20:35,881 --> 00:20:38,923 and very aware of this growing phenomenon. 403 00:20:40,464 --> 00:20:42,923 It's not like they were playing. 404 00:20:43,005 --> 00:20:45,589 The threat was real. 405 00:20:47,089 --> 00:20:49,506 And if President Clinton had taken action 406 00:20:49,589 --> 00:20:51,964 and killed Osama bin Laden, 407 00:20:52,047 --> 00:20:54,214 there wouldn't have been a 9/11. 408 00:20:54,297 --> 00:20:55,339 If there wouldn't have been a 9/11, 409 00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:56,631 there wouldn't have been Afghanistan. 410 00:20:56,714 --> 00:20:58,214 If there wouldn't have been Afghanistan, 411 00:20:58,297 --> 00:21:00,255 there probably wouldn't have been Iraq. 412 00:21:00,339 --> 00:21:02,798 What would the world be like? 413 00:21:02,881 --> 00:21:08,005 ♪♪♪ 414 00:21:11,506 --> 00:21:14,506 It still gets to me, living in our nation's capital 415 00:21:14,589 --> 00:21:17,214 and every building has significance... 416 00:21:19,631 --> 00:21:22,547 ...especially driving by here. 417 00:21:23,923 --> 00:21:27,005 Something I'll never forget, shaped my whole life. 418 00:21:27,089 --> 00:21:32,047 ♪♪♪ 419 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:35,005 I had finished my first week at Georgetown. 420 00:21:35,089 --> 00:21:38,297 They have a National Security Studies program there. 421 00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,756 I was driving around in the area, 422 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,756 getting used to it after that first week, 423 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,005 and then a bunch of cars stopped in front of me, 424 00:21:46,089 --> 00:21:49,923 and people got out and started screaming and pointing. 425 00:21:50,005 --> 00:21:52,297 The plane had just hit the Pentagon. 426 00:21:52,381 --> 00:21:57,130 ♪♪♪ 427 00:21:57,214 --> 00:21:58,923 When I came to D.C., I actually didn't think 428 00:21:59,005 --> 00:22:01,923 I would stay, 429 00:22:02,005 --> 00:22:05,214 but counterterrorism developed into an entire field 430 00:22:05,297 --> 00:22:08,297 after that day, and I got swept up in it. 431 00:22:08,381 --> 00:22:11,756 ♪♪♪ 432 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,339 On 9/11, it was clear who the enemy was, 433 00:22:14,422 --> 00:22:18,172 and the Bush administration went straight into Afghanistan, 434 00:22:18,255 --> 00:22:19,631 where al-Qaeda was, 435 00:22:19,714 --> 00:22:22,881 where bin Laden was, and tried to attack them, 436 00:22:22,964 --> 00:22:26,339 both for the purpose of responding to 9/11 437 00:22:26,422 --> 00:22:28,964 but also to try to disrupt any planning 438 00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:31,047 that al-Qaeda might have under way 439 00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:32,464 for a follow-on attack. 440 00:22:32,547 --> 00:22:34,172 The Taliban have now made it clear 441 00:22:34,255 --> 00:22:36,881 that they will not bow to American pressure. 442 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:40,339 At a chaotic press conference at their embassy in Islamabad, 443 00:22:40,422 --> 00:22:42,631 they threatened holy war if attacked 444 00:22:42,714 --> 00:22:45,089 and rejected President Bush's demand 445 00:22:45,172 --> 00:22:47,130 to surrender Osama bin Laden. 446 00:22:47,214 --> 00:22:49,381 Are you willing to hand Osama bin Laden 447 00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:50,798 to the United States or not? 448 00:22:50,881 --> 00:22:52,130 No, no, no, no. 449 00:22:53,881 --> 00:22:55,130 Well, for the Taliban, 450 00:22:55,214 --> 00:22:57,673 there was an opportunity for them to distance, 451 00:22:57,756 --> 00:23:01,297 uh, the movement from these groups and individuals, 452 00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:03,047 and we were hoping they wouldn't, 453 00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:06,547 because, uh, for us, it was an opportunity 454 00:23:06,631 --> 00:23:10,589 to actually rid Afghanistan of the Taliban. 455 00:23:10,673 --> 00:23:14,464 And as we expected, they stuck to their guns, 456 00:23:14,547 --> 00:23:18,631 and they did not in any way compromise, 457 00:23:18,714 --> 00:23:21,381 and that was the beginning of the end for them, 458 00:23:21,464 --> 00:23:22,923 at least in that period. 459 00:23:24,589 --> 00:23:27,339 When 9/11 happened, they called me in. 460 00:23:27,422 --> 00:23:29,339 Basically, they said, "Will you take the first team in? 461 00:23:29,422 --> 00:23:31,673 We got to--we want to put a team together." 462 00:23:31,756 --> 00:23:32,923 I said, "Oh, God, 463 00:23:33,005 --> 00:23:34,839 everybody in the United States wants to do this, 464 00:23:34,923 --> 00:23:36,839 and they're giving me the job, 465 00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:39,089 be the first people to hit back at bin Laden?" 466 00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:41,130 I said, "Yeah, better believe it." 467 00:23:42,798 --> 00:23:44,756 When I entered, you know, I had my orders. 468 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,673 I had an operational directive to execute on the ground. 469 00:23:47,756 --> 00:23:51,756 Number one, destroy the Taliban because they're in the way. 470 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,381 We have to get at al-Qaeda. 471 00:23:54,464 --> 00:23:57,839 Number two, kill every member of al-Qaeda 472 00:23:57,923 --> 00:24:00,798 that you can find on the battlefield. 473 00:24:00,881 --> 00:24:04,714 Number three, find and kill bin Laden. 474 00:24:04,798 --> 00:24:09,673 ♪♪♪ 475 00:24:11,589 --> 00:24:13,130 Well, when we left, 476 00:24:13,214 --> 00:24:14,589 chief of Counterterrorism Center said-- 477 00:24:14,673 --> 00:24:17,255 We met him on the morning we were getting ready to leave, 478 00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:20,255 and he said, "I'm gonna give you your orders now. 479 00:24:20,339 --> 00:24:22,214 Once the Northern Alliance is ready 480 00:24:22,297 --> 00:24:25,339 and they go into Kabul, we want you and your team 481 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,714 to go in with them 482 00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:29,255 and capture bin Laden and his lieutenants. 483 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,547 Then what I want you to do is, when you capture those guys, 484 00:24:33,631 --> 00:24:36,214 I want you to cut their heads off, 485 00:24:36,297 --> 00:24:39,339 and the lieutenants, I want you to put their heads on pikes 486 00:24:39,422 --> 00:24:41,547 and display them and photograph them, 487 00:24:41,631 --> 00:24:43,798 and bin Laden, I want you to take his head 488 00:24:43,881 --> 00:24:46,798 and put it on dry ice in a box and ship it back, 489 00:24:46,881 --> 00:24:49,339 so I'm gonna take it to the president to see." 490 00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:51,172 So I look at the deputy. 491 00:24:51,255 --> 00:24:54,381 He looks at me, and I-I'm saying, 492 00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:56,923 "Is this guy serious?" 493 00:24:57,005 --> 00:25:01,923 I said, "Okay, maybe we could cut off their heads. 494 00:25:02,005 --> 00:25:03,089 Maybe. I don't know." 495 00:25:03,172 --> 00:25:05,923 I said, "I doubt it, but maybe we could." 496 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:08,964 I said, "And we can certainly make pikes out in the field. 497 00:25:09,047 --> 00:25:10,339 You know, that's not hard." 498 00:25:10,422 --> 00:25:12,047 I said, "But where am I gonna find dry ice 499 00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:13,255 in Afghanistan?" 500 00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:18,214 ♪♪♪ 501 00:25:18,297 --> 00:25:19,422 Vice President Cheney 502 00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:22,214 said fairly soon after the attacks, 503 00:25:22,297 --> 00:25:24,756 "We're gonna go over to the dark side." 504 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:26,839 And, historically, when presidents have wanted 505 00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:30,214 to go over to the dark side, they've asked the CIA to do it. 506 00:25:32,005 --> 00:25:33,756 A lot of what needs to be done here 507 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,005 will have to be done quietly without any discussion, 508 00:25:37,089 --> 00:25:38,839 using sources and methods, uh, 509 00:25:38,923 --> 00:25:41,631 that are available to our intelligence agencies. 510 00:25:52,005 --> 00:25:54,839 The first trip I took was in 1994, 511 00:25:54,923 --> 00:25:57,464 Human Rights Watch. 512 00:25:57,547 --> 00:25:58,923 The war had continued. 513 00:25:59,005 --> 00:26:00,631 The Soviets had gone, but the war was continuing, 514 00:26:00,714 --> 00:26:03,339 which was sort of-- came to be the story 515 00:26:03,422 --> 00:26:05,714 over the many years I went to Afghanistan. 516 00:26:05,798 --> 00:26:08,005 Despite whatever political changes happened, 517 00:26:08,089 --> 00:26:11,673 the war almost had a life of its own and continued. 518 00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:19,964 The first boots on the ground after 9/11 were the CIA, 519 00:26:20,047 --> 00:26:23,255 and very quickly, they began working with 520 00:26:23,339 --> 00:26:26,339 and bolstering militia groups to work with, 521 00:26:26,422 --> 00:26:29,506 and those groups were designed, 522 00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:31,214 recruited, and trained 523 00:26:31,297 --> 00:26:36,130 to go after leading al-Qaeda or Taliban figures. 524 00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:42,089 The CIA was transformed as an institution by 9/11. 525 00:26:42,881 --> 00:26:46,255 Out of that came the, uh, structure 526 00:26:46,339 --> 00:26:49,047 that is now notorious... 527 00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:52,673 the black sites, the enhanced interrogation techniques, 528 00:26:52,756 --> 00:26:56,214 the waterboarding, and the rest. 529 00:26:56,297 --> 00:26:59,172 When I joined the agency in the 1980s, 530 00:26:59,255 --> 00:27:02,714 only the bad guys used those techniques on us. 531 00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:04,172 Unlike the FBI, 532 00:27:04,255 --> 00:27:09,047 the agency really did not have any skill in interrogation, 533 00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:11,964 especially hostile interrogation. 534 00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:13,839 That was something new. 535 00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:16,547 I can honestly say 536 00:27:16,631 --> 00:27:19,506 I know what attacks were stopped. 537 00:27:19,589 --> 00:27:21,422 I know how hard the folks worked, 538 00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:23,255 and I also know they weren't emotional. 539 00:27:23,339 --> 00:27:26,130 People weren't having fun waterboarding people. 540 00:27:26,214 --> 00:27:27,506 I would never say 541 00:27:27,589 --> 00:27:30,089 that I am in support of torture 542 00:27:30,172 --> 00:27:32,673 or anything in that regard, 543 00:27:32,756 --> 00:27:36,547 but there was definitely a push technically 544 00:27:36,631 --> 00:27:38,005 and in human intelligence 545 00:27:38,089 --> 00:27:40,714 to get as much information as possible, 546 00:27:40,798 --> 00:27:42,923 and you have to put yourself back 547 00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:45,839 in that particular time in history. 548 00:27:51,673 --> 00:27:53,422 When I think about... 549 00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:54,756 when I think about the kids 550 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,673 and the-and the-and the- and the women and children 551 00:27:57,756 --> 00:27:59,506 and good Americans who are still alive 552 00:27:59,589 --> 00:28:01,464 because of what we did, you know what I say? 553 00:28:01,547 --> 00:28:03,881 I say, "Fuck history. 554 00:28:03,964 --> 00:28:05,881 Fuck history." 555 00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:10,297 As far as that program, I slept good at night. 556 00:28:10,381 --> 00:28:11,506 I did a briefing on it 557 00:28:11,589 --> 00:28:14,172 for all the ambassadors in Kabul, 558 00:28:14,255 --> 00:28:15,756 and I had said 559 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,964 that the torture that had been described 560 00:28:18,047 --> 00:28:21,255 by people who had investigated the secret detentions, 561 00:28:21,339 --> 00:28:24,339 the salt pit, the case of people being left out, 562 00:28:24,422 --> 00:28:27,673 dying of hypothermia, and the rest of it, 563 00:28:27,756 --> 00:28:30,130 these kinds of torture and secret detentions 564 00:28:30,214 --> 00:28:32,005 had been known in the Soviet times. 565 00:28:32,089 --> 00:28:35,547 It was shocking for them to be coming up again 566 00:28:35,631 --> 00:28:38,214 in post-2001 Afghanistan. 567 00:28:39,089 --> 00:28:41,172 The Americans didn't come to the briefing, 568 00:28:41,255 --> 00:28:43,172 but they came immediately afterwards 569 00:28:43,255 --> 00:28:44,714 and wanted to see me. 570 00:28:44,798 --> 00:28:46,506 When I was approached by one of them, 571 00:28:46,589 --> 00:28:50,964 he was so angry, he was shaking. 572 00:28:51,047 --> 00:28:55,172 The very fact I dared compare those abuses 573 00:28:55,255 --> 00:28:57,464 to what had happened with the Soviets 574 00:28:57,547 --> 00:28:59,464 had infuriated him, 575 00:28:59,547 --> 00:29:02,005 and I'm just like-- that's what infuriated him, 576 00:29:02,089 --> 00:29:03,964 not the fact that they happened 577 00:29:04,047 --> 00:29:06,798 but that I had made a comparison with the Soviets. 578 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,339 The way the-that war has been fought, 579 00:29:11,422 --> 00:29:13,339 the counterterrorism war, 580 00:29:13,422 --> 00:29:16,422 it's largely shaped where we are today. 581 00:29:16,506 --> 00:29:19,756 It was always the CIA's war. 582 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,339 It was in the '80s, the '90s, and it was after 2001. 583 00:29:23,422 --> 00:29:28,172 ♪♪♪ 584 00:29:28,255 --> 00:29:30,506 We enter Kabul. It's 12 November. 585 00:29:30,589 --> 00:29:32,089 I know bin Laden's fled. 586 00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:33,964 Watch bin Laden move south, 587 00:29:34,047 --> 00:29:35,798 which was down to Tora Bora, 588 00:29:35,881 --> 00:29:37,714 and then pursued right away. 589 00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:41,547 Tora Bora is a very remote mountainous part of Afghanistan 590 00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:43,214 on the border with Pakistan. 591 00:29:43,297 --> 00:29:45,089 It's an area that he knew very well. 592 00:29:45,172 --> 00:29:47,214 He'd been going through that area during the '80s, 593 00:29:47,297 --> 00:29:48,547 fighting the Soviets. 594 00:29:48,631 --> 00:29:50,923 It's an area-- he liked being there. 595 00:29:51,005 --> 00:29:52,839 He, uh--he had, like, a vacation home there, 596 00:29:52,923 --> 00:29:56,047 which wouldn't be my first choice of vacation spot. 597 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:57,339 We knew that bin Laden 598 00:29:57,422 --> 00:29:59,172 was moving with a group of about 1,000 people. 599 00:29:59,255 --> 00:30:01,089 Right away they said, "Okay, we're gonna go pursue him." 600 00:30:01,172 --> 00:30:04,339 I said, "Do it. Send them in." We go up. 601 00:30:04,422 --> 00:30:07,339 They get up on top of a promontory mountain piece, 602 00:30:07,422 --> 00:30:08,631 and then down below, 603 00:30:08,714 --> 00:30:10,589 there's bin Laden and his huge element. 604 00:30:10,673 --> 00:30:12,214 Our team had a SOFLAM, 605 00:30:12,297 --> 00:30:15,255 Special Operations Forces Laser Acquisition Mechanism, 606 00:30:15,339 --> 00:30:16,714 which allowed them to target 607 00:30:16,798 --> 00:30:20,506 and do 56 hours of air strikes 608 00:30:20,589 --> 00:30:22,714 and just hammer them. 609 00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,964 We bombed the bejesus out of the place. 610 00:30:27,047 --> 00:30:28,756 We destroyed most of their gear, 611 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:29,923 their radios, their vehicles. 612 00:30:30,005 --> 00:30:32,130 They had tanks. They had all sorts of stuff. 613 00:30:32,214 --> 00:30:34,381 They were trying to get up into position. 614 00:30:34,464 --> 00:30:36,506 We wrecked it all on the ground before they could get up there 615 00:30:36,589 --> 00:30:38,089 and killed a bunch of them. 616 00:30:38,172 --> 00:30:40,506 Bin Laden wrote his will at Tora Bora. 617 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,089 He thought he was gonna die. 618 00:30:43,172 --> 00:30:45,047 He thought this was the end. 619 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:49,547 ♪♪♪ 620 00:30:49,631 --> 00:30:51,214 But it wasn't. 621 00:30:51,297 --> 00:30:54,130 ♪♪♪ 622 00:30:54,214 --> 00:30:56,130 So, after our guys go up, do the bombing, 623 00:30:56,214 --> 00:30:58,798 the initial bombing, that first four guys come out, 624 00:30:58,881 --> 00:31:00,798 and one of those guys had been a former Delta Force guy, 625 00:31:00,881 --> 00:31:04,464 have him brought right back. 626 00:31:04,547 --> 00:31:05,798 He's the one that says to me, "Gary, 627 00:31:05,881 --> 00:31:08,714 we are going to need U.S. forces." 628 00:31:08,798 --> 00:31:11,631 ♪♪♪ 629 00:31:11,714 --> 00:31:14,964 The CIA requested 800 Rangers, 630 00:31:15,047 --> 00:31:17,381 but that request was turned down by the U.S. Army. 631 00:31:17,464 --> 00:31:19,756 ♪♪♪ 632 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,547 What Gary Brunson was arguing for, I think, 633 00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:25,339 were very large numbers of troops, uh, 634 00:31:25,422 --> 00:31:27,381 to go into the valleys, 635 00:31:27,464 --> 00:31:29,923 and, frankly, I-I thought that much of what he was advocating 636 00:31:30,005 --> 00:31:32,005 at the time was not gonna be effective. 637 00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:34,631 Gary probably had a little bit more enthusiasm than judgment. 638 00:31:34,714 --> 00:31:37,506 ♪♪♪ 639 00:31:37,589 --> 00:31:40,047 That's bullshit. 640 00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:42,214 They weren't accustomed to having to make decisions 641 00:31:42,297 --> 00:31:44,673 as rapidly as I was forcing 642 00:31:44,756 --> 00:31:47,255 because I knew the enemy was going to escape. 643 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:48,756 I didn't have a choice. 644 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,923 ♪♪♪ 645 00:31:53,005 --> 00:31:55,422 On the 16th of December, 646 00:31:55,506 --> 00:31:59,464 bin Laden and his-his-his guys left the mountains. 647 00:31:59,547 --> 00:32:02,464 ♪♪♪ 648 00:32:02,547 --> 00:32:05,214 They just walked across into Pakistan. 649 00:32:05,297 --> 00:32:08,172 They got on motorcycles and just headed out, 650 00:32:08,255 --> 00:32:11,798 and it took us all those years later before we found him. 651 00:32:11,881 --> 00:32:17,005 ♪♪♪ 652 00:32:22,923 --> 00:32:25,547 We were building the country. 653 00:32:25,631 --> 00:32:28,130 We were training the Afghan military. 654 00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:30,297 We were paying for building of facilities 655 00:32:30,381 --> 00:32:32,005 with the U.S. military. 656 00:32:32,089 --> 00:32:33,547 We had turned it over to State Department and say, 657 00:32:33,631 --> 00:32:35,339 "Okay, now you build a new nation. 658 00:32:35,422 --> 00:32:38,297 You teach them democracy, how do they handle elections. 659 00:32:38,381 --> 00:32:40,589 Do all that stuff." 660 00:32:40,673 --> 00:32:42,130 As things progressed, 661 00:32:42,214 --> 00:32:44,673 it was a dream come true, 662 00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:46,964 and it was hard to believe 663 00:32:47,047 --> 00:32:49,506 that we had got a second chance to live. 664 00:32:49,589 --> 00:32:52,297 ♪♪♪ 665 00:32:52,381 --> 00:32:56,047 That was when I really explored the country. 666 00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:57,798 That was when I started 667 00:32:57,881 --> 00:33:01,839 not only to travel to every corner of Kabul 668 00:33:01,923 --> 00:33:05,255 but also to over 15 provinces. 669 00:33:06,214 --> 00:33:08,172 It was a utopia. 670 00:33:09,964 --> 00:33:12,089 My first trip over to Afghanistan 671 00:33:12,172 --> 00:33:14,673 was in January of 2002. 672 00:33:16,422 --> 00:33:19,089 There's a reason that most of the, like, correspondents 673 00:33:19,172 --> 00:33:22,255 that came up during that time were women. 674 00:33:22,339 --> 00:33:23,839 Men had a very hard time, 675 00:33:23,923 --> 00:33:25,589 particularly in the early days, 676 00:33:25,673 --> 00:33:26,839 doing stories about women, 677 00:33:26,923 --> 00:33:28,839 and women were a fascinating story 678 00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:31,964 and an important story in Afghanistan. 679 00:33:33,714 --> 00:33:35,964 My first stories in Afghanistan 680 00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:37,923 were about what life had been like 681 00:33:38,005 --> 00:33:39,589 for the women under the Taliban 682 00:33:39,673 --> 00:33:42,506 because they were finally able to speak freely. 683 00:33:42,589 --> 00:33:45,130 ♪♪♪ 684 00:33:45,214 --> 00:33:47,506 There were women who had been forcibly married 685 00:33:47,589 --> 00:33:49,798 to the Taliban. 686 00:33:49,881 --> 00:33:52,506 There were teachers and doctors and young women 687 00:33:52,589 --> 00:33:54,255 who had grown up 688 00:33:54,339 --> 00:33:57,089 during those five years of not being free at all. 689 00:33:59,381 --> 00:34:04,089 As people finally had access to the outside world, 690 00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:06,214 the culture was changing before our very eyes. 691 00:34:06,297 --> 00:34:11,255 ♪♪♪ 692 00:34:15,214 --> 00:34:17,631 I left Afghanistan when I was 12. 693 00:34:17,714 --> 00:34:21,214 I had not been to the country for a very long time. 694 00:34:21,297 --> 00:34:23,214 But the need to come back, uh, 695 00:34:23,297 --> 00:34:25,297 was very strong for not just me 696 00:34:25,381 --> 00:34:27,881 but for a lot of other Afghans. 697 00:34:27,964 --> 00:34:29,881 I was a banker, and my brother was a lawyer, 698 00:34:29,964 --> 00:34:31,881 and the other brother was a finance person, 699 00:34:31,964 --> 00:34:35,506 and our sister was a marketing person. 700 00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:37,339 And in 2002, 701 00:34:37,422 --> 00:34:39,422 we secured the first private license 702 00:34:39,506 --> 00:34:41,297 for a radio station. 703 00:34:44,839 --> 00:34:46,547 Speaking native language 704 00:34:51,297 --> 00:34:54,297 ♪♪♪ 705 00:34:54,381 --> 00:34:56,172 It was about music. It was about jokes. 706 00:34:56,255 --> 00:35:00,047 It was men and women just having a conversation. 707 00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:02,881 ♪♪♪ 708 00:35:02,964 --> 00:35:06,589 But it's ironic that... 709 00:35:06,673 --> 00:35:09,339 how many people are enemies of fun. 710 00:35:09,422 --> 00:35:11,756 The conservatives at the time, 711 00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:14,881 they were very suspicious. 712 00:35:14,964 --> 00:35:18,547 We're a bunch of young people in this house, basically, 713 00:35:18,631 --> 00:35:21,339 no security whatsoever, 714 00:35:21,422 --> 00:35:24,089 and people would literally knock on our doors and say, 715 00:35:24,172 --> 00:35:26,047 "We hate you guys." 716 00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:28,673 But so the radio was a success, 717 00:35:28,756 --> 00:35:30,714 and we thought the natural progression 718 00:35:30,798 --> 00:35:33,673 would be to launch a television station. 719 00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:36,714 Speaking native language 720 00:35:37,923 --> 00:35:41,172 speaking native language 721 00:35:43,881 --> 00:35:46,172 We saw the good news on day one, 722 00:35:46,255 --> 00:35:48,381 and we came up with all sorts of programs 723 00:35:48,464 --> 00:35:49,964 that we could produce quickly. 724 00:35:53,214 --> 00:35:55,756 And then we started to do really big stuff, 725 00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:58,964 like the Idol format with Afghan Star. 726 00:35:59,047 --> 00:36:02,005 ♪ Upbeat rock music ♪ 727 00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:06,005 singing in native language 728 00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:10,089 speaking native language 729 00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:12,798 When we first launched, 730 00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:15,547 this whole idea of voting for a winner, 731 00:36:15,631 --> 00:36:18,214 they couldn't believe that we would stick to our principles 732 00:36:18,297 --> 00:36:21,923 in terms of, like, counting people's text messages. 733 00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:24,964 But what was extraordinary 734 00:36:25,047 --> 00:36:27,923 was how quickly people accepted it. 735 00:36:29,756 --> 00:36:31,547 That's what's interesting with the media. 736 00:36:31,631 --> 00:36:35,381 We just give people sort of a glimpse of what's possible. 737 00:36:37,964 --> 00:36:39,964 This weekend in Afghanistan, 738 00:36:40,047 --> 00:36:43,172 the voice of the people was finally heard. 739 00:36:43,255 --> 00:36:45,005 Precious ballots from Afghanistan's 740 00:36:45,089 --> 00:36:48,422 only presidential election in 5,000 years 741 00:36:48,506 --> 00:36:50,798 poured into counting centers around the country. 742 00:36:52,881 --> 00:36:54,255 There hasn't been a presidential election 743 00:36:54,339 --> 00:36:56,631 in the United States since 1900 where 70 percent 744 00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:59,881 of the population able to vote voted. 745 00:36:59,964 --> 00:37:02,381 ♪ Soft music ♪ 746 00:37:02,464 --> 00:37:04,214 I went to villages and schools 747 00:37:04,297 --> 00:37:05,506 where people were voting, 748 00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:09,589 and the feeling in those rooms 749 00:37:09,673 --> 00:37:13,214 was one of pride and hope 750 00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:18,172 and belief that things were getting better 751 00:37:18,255 --> 00:37:21,839 and that the system that was being created 752 00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:23,714 would help the country. 753 00:37:26,422 --> 00:37:29,464 The Afghan people, by coming out and voting, 754 00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:32,839 have given the last 755 00:37:32,923 --> 00:37:35,297 defeat to terrorism. 756 00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:38,214 The tyranny is gone, 757 00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:40,381 the terrorist enemy is scattered, 758 00:37:40,464 --> 00:37:43,381 and the people of Afghanistan are free. 759 00:37:44,964 --> 00:37:48,172 I thought, "If things keep on like this, 760 00:37:48,255 --> 00:37:51,005 we can win this in a couple of years." 761 00:37:51,089 --> 00:37:56,214 ♪♪♪ 762 00:38:04,547 --> 00:38:06,047 All the books you see here 763 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:07,923 are about special operations missions, 764 00:38:08,005 --> 00:38:09,881 and they don't always go well. 765 00:38:09,964 --> 00:38:11,631 Uh, you know, when I think about Desert One, 766 00:38:11,714 --> 00:38:12,714 it didn't go well. 767 00:38:12,798 --> 00:38:14,172 When I think about a lot of these, uh, books 768 00:38:14,255 --> 00:38:16,005 that are here on World War II missions, 769 00:38:16,089 --> 00:38:17,339 they didn't go well. 770 00:38:17,422 --> 00:38:21,506 So I actually drew on a lot of the lessons 771 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:24,089 because I wanted to make sure whatever plan 772 00:38:24,172 --> 00:38:27,923 that I constructed for the mission took into account, 773 00:38:28,005 --> 00:38:30,589 you know, the successes and why we were successful 774 00:38:30,673 --> 00:38:32,172 and-and, frankly, the failures 775 00:38:32,255 --> 00:38:34,047 and how we avoid those failures. 776 00:38:38,005 --> 00:38:39,464 I was sent overseas to run 777 00:38:39,547 --> 00:38:42,923 the Special Operations Task Force in Afghanistan, 778 00:38:43,005 --> 00:38:44,589 and from a military standpoint, 779 00:38:44,673 --> 00:38:48,297 Afghanistan appeared to be kind of in a caretaker status. 780 00:38:48,381 --> 00:38:49,756 Please. 781 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:53,339 We clearly have moved to a period of stability 782 00:38:53,422 --> 00:38:56,297 and stabilization and reconstruction. 783 00:38:56,381 --> 00:39:00,339 So we shifted our focus in 2003 784 00:39:00,422 --> 00:39:02,464 as we began the invasion of Iraq. 785 00:39:04,214 --> 00:39:06,547 - Jesus! - Whoo! 786 00:39:08,964 --> 00:39:13,464 Big tanks, big toys, 787 00:39:13,547 --> 00:39:16,130 that was the new war, 788 00:39:16,214 --> 00:39:18,214 and our allies became confused at, 789 00:39:18,297 --> 00:39:20,381 what were our real objectives? 790 00:39:20,464 --> 00:39:24,422 We will stay on task until we've achieved our objective, 791 00:39:24,506 --> 00:39:28,130 which is to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. 792 00:39:28,214 --> 00:39:29,756 "What? 793 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,798 They haven't hurt you. Saddam hasn't hurt you. 794 00:39:32,881 --> 00:39:36,964 He doesn't like al-Qaeda. There's not al-Qaeda in Iraq." 795 00:39:37,047 --> 00:39:39,130 Whoa! 796 00:39:39,214 --> 00:39:40,798 I was called into a meeting 797 00:39:40,881 --> 00:39:42,297 with the CIA director, 798 00:39:42,381 --> 00:39:43,673 and he told me that he wanted me 799 00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:46,589 to head up the CIA effort in Iraq. 800 00:39:46,673 --> 00:39:49,964 And the most, uh, experienced senior officers 801 00:39:50,047 --> 00:39:52,089 who were in a position, you know, to deal 802 00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:53,714 at a political level, uh, 803 00:39:53,798 --> 00:39:56,214 very quickly left, uh, the Afghan theater. 804 00:39:56,297 --> 00:39:59,047 We're worried about terrorism, and next thing, we wake up, 805 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:02,172 and-and resources are gone. 806 00:40:02,255 --> 00:40:06,005 ♪ Dramatic music ♪ 807 00:40:06,089 --> 00:40:07,339 When I was in the State Department 808 00:40:07,422 --> 00:40:08,714 Counterterrorism Bureau, 809 00:40:08,798 --> 00:40:12,422 the most important resource that was in short supply 810 00:40:12,506 --> 00:40:16,047 was policy-maker attention, 811 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,047 and I said, "We actually have to focus 812 00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:20,172 on local-level governance, 813 00:40:20,255 --> 00:40:23,339 reforming the Afghan corruption system, 814 00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,297 and giving the Afghan military 815 00:40:25,381 --> 00:40:29,881 a series of really basic capabilities," 816 00:40:29,964 --> 00:40:33,214 because by that point, we were so sucked into the war in Iraq 817 00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:36,714 that we just didn't have the bandwidth to deal with it. 818 00:40:36,798 --> 00:40:39,381 Yelling in native language 819 00:40:39,464 --> 00:40:41,714 And the Taliban in Pakistan 820 00:40:41,798 --> 00:40:44,547 and their cell groups in Afghanistan 821 00:40:44,631 --> 00:40:46,297 began to exploit that. 822 00:40:46,381 --> 00:40:51,506 ♪♪♪ 823 00:40:59,631 --> 00:41:02,547 I, uh, was involved in some of the early, 824 00:41:02,631 --> 00:41:06,005 early stages of talking with the Taliban 825 00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:10,130 about how to ensure that they didn't join an insurgency. 826 00:41:10,214 --> 00:41:12,172 They actually found some way of reconciling 827 00:41:12,255 --> 00:41:13,923 with the new regime. 828 00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:15,631 I mean, it happened, like, in my sitting room 829 00:41:15,714 --> 00:41:17,506 in, you know, the house in Islamabad, um, 830 00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:19,673 you know, friendly discussions. 831 00:41:22,631 --> 00:41:25,923 Speaking native language 832 00:41:26,964 --> 00:41:29,631 My ability to talk with Taliban today 833 00:41:29,714 --> 00:41:33,255 is based upon actions which I have taken every day 834 00:41:33,339 --> 00:41:36,798 since I crossed over the border in '89. 835 00:41:36,881 --> 00:41:38,714 They can check my reputation, 836 00:41:38,798 --> 00:41:40,631 work out how discreet I am, 837 00:41:40,714 --> 00:41:43,339 and reckon if I am duplicitous, 838 00:41:43,422 --> 00:41:44,923 and I'm sort of, like, doing the same 839 00:41:45,005 --> 00:41:46,422 when I'm talking with them, 840 00:41:46,506 --> 00:41:48,964 because, um, one w-one way or another, 841 00:41:49,047 --> 00:41:51,464 both sides of the relationship have got to trust each other 842 00:41:51,547 --> 00:41:53,172 to be able to-to go forward. 843 00:41:53,255 --> 00:41:56,172 ♪♪♪ 844 00:41:56,255 --> 00:41:58,506 In the wake of 9/11, 845 00:41:58,589 --> 00:42:02,798 the Taliban leadership wanted surrender terms 846 00:42:02,881 --> 00:42:06,297 to live respectably in their homes, 847 00:42:06,381 --> 00:42:09,547 recognizing the authority of the new government 848 00:42:09,631 --> 00:42:11,881 which had been imposed by the Americans. 849 00:42:13,798 --> 00:42:17,631 Those terms were available. They were torn up. 850 00:42:19,172 --> 00:42:22,798 Instead we got increasingly stories of Taliban 851 00:42:22,881 --> 00:42:25,297 who'd tried to go home to their villages in Afghanistan 852 00:42:25,381 --> 00:42:27,798 either getting arrested or giving up, 853 00:42:27,881 --> 00:42:29,089 crossing the border, 854 00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:30,756 going over to-to Pakistan 855 00:42:30,839 --> 00:42:32,631 ready for the next chapter. 856 00:42:32,714 --> 00:42:37,172 ♪♪♪ 857 00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:41,881 The Taliban start to reform the organization, uh, 858 00:42:41,964 --> 00:42:45,506 saying that, "We have been excluded from this new setup. 859 00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:47,005 We're gonna have another go." 860 00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:49,839 Tonight Frontline reports 861 00:42:49,923 --> 00:42:53,089 on the return of the Taliban. 862 00:42:56,214 --> 00:43:00,589 ♪♪♪ 863 00:43:00,673 --> 00:43:02,547 There's some, uh, ICOM chatter saying 864 00:43:02,631 --> 00:43:05,255 that the Taliban are looking at us right now. 865 00:43:09,172 --> 00:43:12,172 ♪ Somber music ♪ 866 00:43:12,255 --> 00:43:15,464 ♪♪♪ 867 00:43:15,547 --> 00:43:18,798 speaking native language 868 00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:27,130 speaking native language 869 00:43:29,255 --> 00:43:34,130 ♪♪♪ 870 00:43:44,798 --> 00:43:46,547 For Americans, 871 00:43:46,631 --> 00:43:50,422 the original story of this long war 872 00:43:50,506 --> 00:43:53,339 was we were saviors. 873 00:43:53,422 --> 00:43:57,339 ♪♪♪ 874 00:43:57,422 --> 00:44:01,798 We had gone in and done a good thing... 875 00:44:01,881 --> 00:44:06,005 and people were ecstatic to be free again. 876 00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:10,923 But the reality is, I don't think 877 00:44:11,005 --> 00:44:15,297 it was ever as clean as we wanted to believe. 878 00:44:15,381 --> 00:44:19,255 ♪♪♪ 879 00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:21,881 The first inflection point that I noticed 880 00:44:21,964 --> 00:44:23,589 happened in May 2006 881 00:44:23,673 --> 00:44:27,547 when a U.S. military convoy crashed into a crowd of people, 882 00:44:27,631 --> 00:44:30,047 and they killed about 14 people. 883 00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:38,047 ♪♪♪ 884 00:44:53,506 --> 00:44:56,422 speaking native language 885 00:45:00,714 --> 00:45:04,964 ♪♪♪ 886 00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:10,714 People in these crowds 887 00:45:10,798 --> 00:45:15,297 were shouting angry anti-American slogans, 888 00:45:15,381 --> 00:45:16,964 and I went, "What? 889 00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:18,464 What has happened here?" 890 00:45:18,547 --> 00:45:22,756 ♪♪♪ 891 00:45:22,839 --> 00:45:25,214 That was the first time I realized 892 00:45:25,297 --> 00:45:26,964 that there was as much resentment 893 00:45:27,047 --> 00:45:28,881 against the international presence 894 00:45:28,964 --> 00:45:31,255 as there was gratitude or hope. 895 00:45:31,339 --> 00:45:36,464 ♪♪♪ 896 00:45:37,964 --> 00:45:40,047 There was this building resentment 897 00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:43,422 that Afghans had against corruption 898 00:45:43,506 --> 00:45:45,005 and civilian casualties, 899 00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:48,547 and both of those could be tied directly back to America. 900 00:45:48,631 --> 00:45:50,589 We were pouring in so much money 901 00:45:50,673 --> 00:45:52,255 that corruption was all but inevitable 902 00:45:52,339 --> 00:45:53,839 with no checks and balances, 903 00:45:53,923 --> 00:45:55,673 and then with civilian casualties, 904 00:45:55,756 --> 00:45:58,798 let's just say any civilian casualty in general, 905 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:00,255 the Taliban would immediately put out 906 00:46:00,339 --> 00:46:01,714 press releases locally saying, 907 00:46:01,798 --> 00:46:04,464 "This is America doing this to you." 908 00:46:06,297 --> 00:46:08,506 They'd make up things, and it was very effective. 909 00:46:15,756 --> 00:46:17,756 Well, today's riots showing just how fragile 910 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:19,964 our relationship is with Afghanistan, 911 00:46:20,047 --> 00:46:22,047 a key player in the War on Terror. 912 00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:24,923 Now, is it just a small group of troublemakers at work here, 913 00:46:25,005 --> 00:46:28,130 or are the Afghan people simply ungrateful? 914 00:46:28,214 --> 00:46:32,005 ♪♪♪ 915 00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:34,881 Afghans have this streak of defiance 916 00:46:34,964 --> 00:46:37,297 against the world because of history. 917 00:46:38,506 --> 00:46:40,255 There was the Russians and the fact 918 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:43,923 that the Americans had abandoned Afghanistan before. 919 00:46:46,005 --> 00:46:48,756 There's always in the back of the minds of Afghans 920 00:46:48,839 --> 00:46:52,214 that-that suspicion of ulterior motives. 921 00:46:52,297 --> 00:46:55,881 ♪♪♪ 922 00:46:55,964 --> 00:46:58,547 United States got distracted, 923 00:46:58,631 --> 00:47:00,089 and they wanted to show 924 00:47:00,172 --> 00:47:03,756 that Afghanistan was still this good story working 925 00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,047 and it is rosy, 926 00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:08,005 and they were not... 927 00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:10,964 they were not listening to us, you know? 928 00:47:11,047 --> 00:47:13,255 ♪♪♪ 929 00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:15,714 I had great misgivings 930 00:47:15,798 --> 00:47:18,506 because I felt that the CIA 931 00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:20,005 needed to stay engaged 932 00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:23,506 with key political players inside Afghanistan, 933 00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:25,381 but I could see very quickly 934 00:47:25,464 --> 00:47:29,881 that there was very little appetite, uh, for doing that. 935 00:47:29,964 --> 00:47:31,631 It's not that we didn't know Afghanistan 936 00:47:31,714 --> 00:47:34,089 was going badly after that. 937 00:47:34,172 --> 00:47:36,172 We did, but we couldn't do anything about it, 938 00:47:36,255 --> 00:47:39,673 because by the time Iraq started to go bad, 939 00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:40,881 Afghanistan was also going bad, 940 00:47:40,964 --> 00:47:43,964 and we were caught in a war in two fronts 941 00:47:44,047 --> 00:47:46,381 without the resources to deal with both. 942 00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:51,589 ♪♪♪ 943 00:47:57,255 --> 00:47:59,464 America's men and women in uniform 944 00:47:59,547 --> 00:48:02,798 took away al-Qaeda's safe haven in Afghanistan, 945 00:48:02,881 --> 00:48:06,130 and we will not allow them to reestablish it in Iraq. 946 00:48:06,214 --> 00:48:07,881 So I have committed more than 20,000 947 00:48:07,964 --> 00:48:10,130 additional American troops to Iraq. 948 00:48:10,214 --> 00:48:11,964 The agreement lays out a framework 949 00:48:12,047 --> 00:48:14,714 for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq, 950 00:48:14,798 --> 00:48:16,631 a withdrawal that is possible 951 00:48:16,714 --> 00:48:18,756 because of the success of the surge. 952 00:48:18,839 --> 00:48:22,089 Yelling in foreign language 953 00:48:24,756 --> 00:48:27,756 While Iraq has dominated the headlines, 954 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:30,339 the less-publicized fight in Afghanistan 955 00:48:30,422 --> 00:48:32,047 has intensified. 956 00:48:32,756 --> 00:48:36,005 My fellow citizens, our nation is at war 957 00:48:36,089 --> 00:48:39,798 against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred, 958 00:48:39,881 --> 00:48:42,255 and for those who seek to advance their aims 959 00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:45,547 by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, 960 00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:48,839 you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you. 961 00:48:50,255 --> 00:48:52,255 For six years, Afghanistan has been denied 962 00:48:52,339 --> 00:48:55,214 the resources that it demands because of the war in Iraq. 963 00:48:55,297 --> 00:48:58,130 It is in our vital national interest 964 00:48:58,214 --> 00:49:01,964 to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. 965 00:49:02,047 --> 00:49:03,589 Well, I think that in the last year, 966 00:49:03,673 --> 00:49:05,381 we've made a lot of progress. 967 00:49:05,464 --> 00:49:06,631 Two thousand ten will be a year 968 00:49:06,714 --> 00:49:08,089 that will see progress 969 00:49:08,172 --> 00:49:10,172 and a reversal of Taliban momentum. 970 00:49:10,255 --> 00:49:11,798 Well, the financial and human cost 971 00:49:11,881 --> 00:49:13,089 of the War in Afghanistan 972 00:49:13,172 --> 00:49:15,798 has gone up every year over the past five years, 973 00:49:15,881 --> 00:49:18,172 more than 1,600 U.S. troops. 974 00:49:18,255 --> 00:49:21,005 This past year in Afghanistan was the deadliest yet 975 00:49:21,089 --> 00:49:22,714 for American troops. 976 00:49:22,798 --> 00:49:25,255 Momentum achieved by the Taliban in Afghanistan 977 00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:29,673 since 2005 has been arrested in much of the country. 978 00:49:29,756 --> 00:49:32,172 I wish I could tell you that this war was simple, 979 00:49:32,255 --> 00:49:34,297 but that's not the way of counterinsurgencies. 980 00:49:34,381 --> 00:49:37,005 They are fraught with both successes and setbacks, 981 00:49:37,089 --> 00:49:39,214 which can exist in the same space 982 00:49:39,297 --> 00:49:40,923 and in the same time, 983 00:49:41,005 --> 00:49:44,130 and I believe the campaign is on track. 984 00:49:44,214 --> 00:49:46,756 ♪♪♪ 985 00:49:46,839 --> 00:49:49,339 If you ask the question, "Why are we here?" 986 00:49:49,422 --> 00:49:52,339 As President Obama did when he came into office in 2009, 987 00:49:52,422 --> 00:49:54,547 "Why are we fighting in Afghanistan?" 988 00:49:54,631 --> 00:49:58,756 Well, his best experts gathered and advised him, 989 00:49:58,839 --> 00:50:00,964 "Sir, we're here because al-Qaeda 990 00:50:01,047 --> 00:50:03,172 is still a threat to the United States. 991 00:50:03,255 --> 00:50:07,005 Bin Laden's still alive. We got to finish the job." 992 00:50:07,089 --> 00:50:09,214 Every year, there was this sense 993 00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:11,631 that if we did X, Y, and Z, 994 00:50:11,714 --> 00:50:13,798 maybe we could finish up the war. 995 00:50:13,881 --> 00:50:16,839 Tonight I can report to the American people 996 00:50:16,923 --> 00:50:19,214 and to the world that the United States 997 00:50:19,297 --> 00:50:23,130 has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, 998 00:50:23,214 --> 00:50:25,631 the leader of al-Qaeda. 999 00:50:25,714 --> 00:50:26,673 And this will go down 1000 00:50:26,756 --> 00:50:28,130 as one of the great missions 1001 00:50:28,214 --> 00:50:31,339 in the history of the intelligence community. 1002 00:50:32,255 --> 00:50:34,714 As I was planning the mission, you had to have surprise. 1003 00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,422 We had surprise. You had to have speed. 1004 00:50:36,506 --> 00:50:37,714 We're coming in by helicopters. 1005 00:50:37,798 --> 00:50:39,506 And you had to have purpose, 1006 00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:41,964 and God knows these-these, uh, SEALs and soldiers had purpose. 1007 00:50:42,047 --> 00:50:44,130 They were going after the most wanted man in the world. 1008 00:50:45,923 --> 00:50:48,589 It was about who we are as Americans. 1009 00:50:48,673 --> 00:50:50,798 This man and his people had attacked New York 1010 00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:52,756 and Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C., 1011 00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:54,964 and we had an obligation 1012 00:50:55,047 --> 00:50:57,631 to spend as long as it took to bring him to justice. 1013 00:50:57,714 --> 00:51:00,464 ♪♪♪ 1014 00:51:00,547 --> 00:51:02,798 We did get bin Laden. 1015 00:51:02,881 --> 00:51:04,297 Al-Qaeda is diminished. 1016 00:51:04,381 --> 00:51:05,839 It's scattered. It's under pressure. 1017 00:51:05,923 --> 00:51:09,506 We have been killing people with our drones 1018 00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:11,756 for a good while now, 1019 00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:14,047 so why are we still here? 1020 00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:19,255 ♪♪♪ 1021 00:51:24,714 --> 00:51:29,464 ♪♪♪ 1022 00:51:29,547 --> 00:51:33,297 As the war in Afghanistan went on and on, 1023 00:51:33,381 --> 00:51:35,714 the CIA then got into the secret air war business, 1024 00:51:35,798 --> 00:51:37,839 which is really what the drone campaign was. 1025 00:51:37,923 --> 00:51:39,381 It was a secret air war 1026 00:51:39,464 --> 00:51:42,214 designed to do what the United States 1027 00:51:42,297 --> 00:51:44,839 was not prepared to do through conventional means. 1028 00:51:46,297 --> 00:51:48,214 The CIA was given charge of that 1029 00:51:48,297 --> 00:51:50,255 because it wasn't going to be declared. 1030 00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:52,381 It wasn't going to be run by the Air Force 1031 00:51:52,464 --> 00:51:55,464 or by the special operations groups at the Pentagon. 1032 00:51:55,547 --> 00:52:00,089 It was, uh, covert, and so that added to the sense 1033 00:52:00,172 --> 00:52:03,172 that the CIA was-- became an agency at war. 1034 00:52:04,422 --> 00:52:05,881 It's a new way of war. 1035 00:52:05,964 --> 00:52:07,130 The United States government wouldn't even acknowledge 1036 00:52:07,214 --> 00:52:08,506 this was really happening, 1037 00:52:08,589 --> 00:52:09,547 and-and when they did acknowledge it, 1038 00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:10,631 privately they would say, 1039 00:52:10,714 --> 00:52:11,798 "There's no civilian casualties." 1040 00:52:11,881 --> 00:52:12,714 Well, that wasn't true. 1041 00:52:12,798 --> 00:52:14,381 In Afghanistan, 1042 00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:15,964 NATO is investing a U.S. air strike on Thursday 1043 00:52:16,047 --> 00:52:18,464 that may have killed a child in Helmand Province. 1044 00:52:18,547 --> 00:52:20,923 Whatever the benefit of the drone strikes, 1045 00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:23,130 they have created enormous resentment 1046 00:52:23,214 --> 00:52:24,839 among some here in the region 1047 00:52:24,923 --> 00:52:29,339 who view the strikes as another sign of American arrogance. 1048 00:52:29,422 --> 00:52:31,756 And you can see, this is by administration, 1049 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:33,214 so under George W. Bush, 1050 00:52:33,297 --> 00:52:34,422 there were relatively limited strikes 1051 00:52:34,506 --> 00:52:36,255 except right at the end of his second term. 1052 00:52:36,339 --> 00:52:38,089 Then under Obama, it spikes up hugely. 1053 00:52:38,172 --> 00:52:39,422 So it was really President Obama 1054 00:52:39,506 --> 00:52:42,422 who hammed it up very dramatically. 1055 00:52:42,506 --> 00:52:45,381 You can see the estimated total number of casualties 1056 00:52:45,464 --> 00:52:48,756 is up to almost as high as 3,000 1057 00:52:48,839 --> 00:52:51,506 on the outer bounds. 1058 00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:53,255 Myself and my colleagues at New America 1059 00:52:53,339 --> 00:52:54,714 have been doing this for about a decade. 1060 00:52:54,798 --> 00:52:56,589 We felt that there was some data out there, 1061 00:52:56,673 --> 00:52:59,172 print media stories that we could assemble and sort of say, 1062 00:52:59,255 --> 00:53:00,964 "What's going on? Who's being killed? 1063 00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:02,589 How many strikes are there?" 1064 00:53:02,673 --> 00:53:06,381 And so we-we began to kind of collate all this. 1065 00:53:06,464 --> 00:53:09,547 When it came to the Predator, 1066 00:53:09,631 --> 00:53:13,255 we also had our forces somewhere in the area. 1067 00:53:13,339 --> 00:53:14,339 So there would be a shot, 1068 00:53:14,422 --> 00:53:15,964 and then people were gonna move in 1069 00:53:16,047 --> 00:53:18,506 to do the sensitive site collection, 1070 00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:21,047 and then-- so, you know, it was very human 1071 00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:23,506 because you knew who were down there. 1072 00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:27,339 Afghanistan, I think, was the early laboratory 1073 00:53:27,422 --> 00:53:30,923 of what this more paramilitary CIA became, 1074 00:53:31,005 --> 00:53:35,422 so a drone program that went from surveillance drones 1075 00:53:35,506 --> 00:53:39,255 to actually killing people. 1076 00:53:39,339 --> 00:53:41,005 I would say, actually, the principal reason the CIA 1077 00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:44,464 is in Afghanistan is, in a way, the drone program, 1078 00:53:44,547 --> 00:53:48,255 because after 9/11, al-Qaeda didn't remain in Afghanistan. 1079 00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:49,839 They fled into Pakistan, uh, 1080 00:53:49,923 --> 00:53:52,422 and the Taliban regrouped there. 1081 00:53:52,506 --> 00:53:55,047 If I'm trying to deploy six or 12 men 1082 00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:56,506 trying to climb up a mountain 1083 00:53:56,589 --> 00:53:59,172 and get this guy when I can do this easier 1084 00:53:59,255 --> 00:54:03,005 and save our men and women's lives and-- 1085 00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:07,214 I'll go--I'll take the Predator any day, any day. 1086 00:54:07,297 --> 00:54:11,547 ♪♪♪ 1087 00:54:11,631 --> 00:54:14,255 In the early years and really even through, 1088 00:54:14,339 --> 00:54:16,005 I would say, for the first ten years, 1089 00:54:16,089 --> 00:54:18,464 you could travel anywhere. 1090 00:54:18,547 --> 00:54:22,130 The capital was lively. The capital felt free. 1091 00:54:22,214 --> 00:54:23,964 Girls were going to school. 1092 00:54:24,047 --> 00:54:26,506 Girls were going to college. 1093 00:54:26,589 --> 00:54:29,255 It certainly felt like a place that was churning with change. 1094 00:54:29,339 --> 00:54:31,964 ♪♪♪ 1095 00:54:32,047 --> 00:54:35,714 My father told me about American University, 1096 00:54:35,798 --> 00:54:39,798 and he said, "It's the best university in Afghanistan." 1097 00:54:41,172 --> 00:54:46,005 He always wanted me to-to get education... 1098 00:54:47,172 --> 00:54:51,464 ...so I joined the university. 1099 00:54:52,422 --> 00:54:53,756 The vision for people here 1100 00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:56,923 is not a sixth-century fundamentalist Islamic state. 1101 00:54:57,005 --> 00:55:00,255 It's a 21st-century advanced country, 1102 00:55:00,339 --> 00:55:01,881 and they want to get there. 1103 00:55:01,964 --> 00:55:04,172 ♪♪♪ 1104 00:55:04,255 --> 00:55:05,756 We can play a role in that, 1105 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:08,589 in helping them achieve their dreams. 1106 00:55:08,673 --> 00:55:11,714 My father never want me to come to this university 1107 00:55:11,798 --> 00:55:15,255 because of the risks involved with the name "American" on it, 1108 00:55:15,339 --> 00:55:16,673 and seeing the situation, 1109 00:55:16,756 --> 00:55:20,964 how badly the war is going on in Afghanistan, 1110 00:55:21,047 --> 00:55:23,214 he never wanted me to come here. 1111 00:55:25,464 --> 00:55:28,339 But I told him I have goals in my life, 1112 00:55:28,422 --> 00:55:32,756 and I've already did good in my high school, 1113 00:55:32,839 --> 00:55:35,422 and I had passion to get an education. 1114 00:55:37,089 --> 00:55:40,255 I was not worried about security. 1115 00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:44,798 I had heard about explosions on news, 1116 00:55:44,881 --> 00:55:49,422 but I had not experienced something like that. 1117 00:55:50,297 --> 00:55:52,381 As the Taliban insurgency became stronger, 1118 00:55:52,464 --> 00:55:55,631 there was this growing pattern of attacks 1119 00:55:55,714 --> 00:55:58,089 that began to make everybody realize 1120 00:55:58,172 --> 00:55:59,631 that the Taliban really were back 1121 00:55:59,714 --> 00:56:02,422 and really were causing trouble and really were starting 1122 00:56:02,506 --> 00:56:06,130 to put the brakes on progress of different kinds. 1123 00:56:07,631 --> 00:56:09,464 Many evenings, I would go to my favorite bar, 1124 00:56:09,547 --> 00:56:12,631 this Lebanese café, and I used to go there 1125 00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:15,881 probably at least once a week for many, many years. 1126 00:56:17,506 --> 00:56:19,381 When you live and work in a war zone, 1127 00:56:19,464 --> 00:56:20,964 you need a place like that. 1128 00:56:21,047 --> 00:56:22,297 You need someplace you can go 1129 00:56:22,381 --> 00:56:24,089 and really feel yourself, be yourself, 1130 00:56:24,172 --> 00:56:28,339 and that's pretty much the only place I felt that way. 1131 00:56:29,923 --> 00:56:33,589 And then the Taliban attacked that café, 1132 00:56:33,673 --> 00:56:37,839 shot dead everyone in it, including the owner. 1133 00:56:37,923 --> 00:56:39,422 The scenes of this restaurant 1134 00:56:39,506 --> 00:56:40,839 are really quite incredible-- 1135 00:56:40,923 --> 00:56:43,881 people crouched on top of one-one-one another, 1136 00:56:43,964 --> 00:56:45,422 underneath tables, 1137 00:56:45,506 --> 00:56:47,214 gunned down inside there. 1138 00:56:47,297 --> 00:56:49,297 So that seems to have been what has happened. 1139 00:56:49,381 --> 00:56:51,839 Anybody who was injured seems to have been likely 1140 00:56:51,923 --> 00:56:53,798 to have been outside the restaurant, 1141 00:56:53,881 --> 00:56:56,089 potentially in cars waiting outside 1142 00:56:56,172 --> 00:56:58,047 or about to enter the restaurant. 1143 00:56:58,130 --> 00:57:00,631 Anybody inside seems unlikely to have been able 1144 00:57:00,714 --> 00:57:03,839 to escape easily from the gunmen. 1145 00:57:03,923 --> 00:57:07,047 That's the moment I sort of thought, 1146 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:10,464 "What's left here, you know? Why are we even here?" 1147 00:57:10,547 --> 00:57:14,589 I remember feeling it. I remember thinking that. 1148 00:57:14,673 --> 00:57:19,506 ♪♪♪ 1149 00:57:23,714 --> 00:57:25,714 When I had a temporary assignment 1150 00:57:25,798 --> 00:57:27,214 in Afghanistan, 1151 00:57:27,297 --> 00:57:30,923 I could electrically feel the dangers around me. 1152 00:57:31,005 --> 00:57:32,756 There we go. 1153 00:57:32,839 --> 00:57:35,297 I've definitely known people that have died. 1154 00:57:35,381 --> 00:57:36,881 - You want milk? - No. 1155 00:57:36,964 --> 00:57:38,631 The night before I left, 1156 00:57:38,714 --> 00:57:40,631 I was sitting with my younger daughter, 1157 00:57:40,714 --> 00:57:45,381 and she gave me this bracelet that she made, 1158 00:57:45,464 --> 00:57:48,047 and I promised her I'd wear it every day 1159 00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:51,381 and every night that I was away, and I did. 1160 00:57:51,464 --> 00:57:53,881 I never took it off. 1161 00:57:53,964 --> 00:57:58,422 And when I would leave the wire or go to the less safe 1162 00:57:58,506 --> 00:58:01,756 or secure and fortified areas... 1163 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,923 I looked down at that bracelet, 1164 00:58:04,005 --> 00:58:07,422 and I would definitely question what I was doing. 1165 00:58:08,381 --> 00:58:10,756 "Am I a responsible mom? 1166 00:58:12,631 --> 00:58:16,214 Does my work here really make a difference 1167 00:58:16,297 --> 00:58:18,673 in this seemingly endless war?" 1168 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:25,005 ♪♪♪ 1169 00:58:27,756 --> 00:58:31,798 I managed analytic teams that covered Afghan politics 1170 00:58:31,881 --> 00:58:34,047 and Afghan economics. 1171 00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:39,130 At that time, there was a U.S.-military narrative 1172 00:58:39,214 --> 00:58:41,130 that things were getting better in the country 1173 00:58:41,214 --> 00:58:43,422 and that the Taliban was failing, 1174 00:58:43,506 --> 00:58:46,964 and that was leading to the discussions of drawdown. 1175 00:58:47,047 --> 00:58:48,589 Two thousand fourteen, 1176 00:58:48,673 --> 00:58:50,589 we have agreed that this is the year 1177 00:58:50,673 --> 00:58:54,381 we will conclude our combat mission in Afghanistan. 1178 00:58:56,214 --> 00:58:58,339 But things on the ground were evolving 1179 00:58:58,422 --> 00:59:01,339 and telling a little bit of a different story. 1180 00:59:01,422 --> 00:59:04,089 The 2015 takeover of Kunduz, 1181 00:59:04,172 --> 00:59:06,589 that's the first provincial capital 1182 00:59:06,673 --> 00:59:10,214 the Taliban had taken since before 2001. 1183 00:59:10,297 --> 00:59:11,756 It was a big deal. 1184 00:59:12,881 --> 00:59:14,297 The battle for Kunduz 1185 00:59:14,381 --> 00:59:15,798 started before dawn, 1186 00:59:15,881 --> 00:59:18,631 as Afghan government troops tried in vain 1187 00:59:18,714 --> 00:59:21,422 to hold back the advance of the Taliban. 1188 00:59:21,506 --> 00:59:23,464 After the West's trillion-dollar war 1189 00:59:23,547 --> 00:59:25,172 against the Taliban, 1190 00:59:25,255 --> 00:59:28,881 its fighters still pose a potent threat. 1191 00:59:28,964 --> 00:59:31,881 They took over the city for about two weeks. 1192 00:59:31,964 --> 00:59:33,547 They released a lot of prisoners-- 1193 00:59:33,631 --> 00:59:35,589 a lot of them were Taliban fighters-- 1194 00:59:35,673 --> 00:59:38,214 and displaced tens of thousands of people 1195 00:59:38,297 --> 00:59:40,547 in the process. 1196 00:59:40,631 --> 00:59:43,506 It was a total propaganda win for them. 1197 00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:45,255 God willing, this is our hope, 1198 00:59:45,339 --> 00:59:46,839 to build a religious school, 1199 00:59:46,923 --> 00:59:50,506 to build a bridge, a road, a sharia-based government. 1200 00:59:50,589 --> 00:59:51,839 This is why we came out, 1201 00:59:51,923 --> 00:59:53,547 and this is what we fought for-- 1202 00:59:53,631 --> 00:59:56,381 so that sharia law is enforced here. 1203 00:59:56,464 --> 00:59:58,422 Just holding the city-- that's all they needed to do 1204 00:59:58,506 --> 01:00:00,798 was just take it and hold it, show of force 1205 01:00:00,881 --> 01:00:03,381 to show their fighters and the world 1206 01:00:03,464 --> 01:00:05,839 that they were there and still capable-- 1207 01:00:05,923 --> 01:00:07,339 was quite significant. 1208 01:00:07,422 --> 01:00:10,881 ♪♪♪ 1209 01:00:10,964 --> 01:00:14,089 What happened in Kunduz caught people off guard 1210 01:00:14,172 --> 01:00:15,798 when the Taliban actually managed 1211 01:00:15,881 --> 01:00:17,673 to gain control of the city, 1212 01:00:17,756 --> 01:00:20,047 and I think what happened then was a kind of panic. 1213 01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:24,214 The psychological blow and the PR repercussions 1214 01:00:24,297 --> 01:00:27,047 of having lost a very important northern city 1215 01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:28,673 were enormous, 1216 01:00:28,756 --> 01:00:30,172 and so then there was a kind of 1217 01:00:30,255 --> 01:00:33,798 real scrambling to-to regain control, 1218 01:00:33,881 --> 01:00:38,714 and the American military made a really horrific error. 1219 01:00:38,798 --> 01:00:40,255 Breaking news overnight-- 1220 01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:43,714 U.S. warplanes may have killed nine local staffers 1221 01:00:43,798 --> 01:00:47,047 at a medical clinic run by Doctors Without Borders. 1222 01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:50,005 The attack was in the provincial city of Kunduz. 1223 01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:53,422 The U.S. apparently was trying to dislodge Taliban insurgents 1224 01:00:53,506 --> 01:00:55,255 who had seized the city on Monday. 1225 01:00:55,339 --> 01:00:59,422 An American gunship targeted the hospital 1226 01:00:59,506 --> 01:01:03,089 and circled it and hit it repeatedly. 1227 01:01:04,798 --> 01:01:07,798 What's concerning, maybe, about how it unfolded 1228 01:01:07,881 --> 01:01:11,422 was that the Afghan forces operating there 1229 01:01:11,506 --> 01:01:14,839 had raided the hospital some point previously, 1230 01:01:14,923 --> 01:01:17,339 looking for wounded Taliban, 1231 01:01:17,422 --> 01:01:20,130 and were apparently quite unhappy with the fact 1232 01:01:20,214 --> 01:01:24,255 that MSF treated wounded Taliban in the facility, 1233 01:01:24,339 --> 01:01:27,714 whereas MSF, like any medical-care provider, 1234 01:01:27,798 --> 01:01:29,297 say that they treat anyone, 1235 01:01:29,381 --> 01:01:32,297 regardless of political affiliation. 1236 01:01:32,381 --> 01:01:33,631 Our staff have reported 1237 01:01:33,714 --> 01:01:35,798 that there were no armed combatants 1238 01:01:35,881 --> 01:01:38,589 or active fighting in 1239 01:01:38,673 --> 01:01:42,005 or from the compound prior to the air strike. 1240 01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:43,673 Doctors were about to take me 1241 01:01:43,756 --> 01:01:46,297 to an operating theater when the bomb hit. 1242 01:01:46,381 --> 01:01:47,714 There were flames all around me. 1243 01:01:47,798 --> 01:01:51,631 I saw patients and doctors burn to death. 1244 01:01:51,714 --> 01:01:56,589 ♪♪♪ 1245 01:01:56,673 --> 01:01:58,464 Forty-three people died, 1246 01:01:58,547 --> 01:02:03,047 quite a number of them staff and patients... 1247 01:02:03,130 --> 01:02:05,673 including patients on the operating table at the time, 1248 01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:06,547 including children. 1249 01:02:06,631 --> 01:02:09,005 I mean, it was just horrific. 1250 01:02:09,089 --> 01:02:11,381 ♪♪♪ 1251 01:02:11,464 --> 01:02:12,839 And some of these forces that have carried out 1252 01:02:12,923 --> 01:02:14,297 these raids on medical facilities 1253 01:02:14,381 --> 01:02:17,631 are the ones we identified as being backed by, 1254 01:02:17,714 --> 01:02:21,297 trained, recruited by the American CIA. 1255 01:02:21,381 --> 01:02:23,756 ♪♪♪ 1256 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:27,673 That hospital bombing after the siege of Kunduz 1257 01:02:27,756 --> 01:02:30,422 was pretty devastating. 1258 01:02:30,506 --> 01:02:33,339 A lot of innocent civilians were killed, 1259 01:02:33,422 --> 01:02:36,339 and war is war, and you can always say that, 1260 01:02:36,422 --> 01:02:38,589 but when innocent lives are lost, 1261 01:02:38,673 --> 01:02:41,506 it really does make it difficult to continue the work. 1262 01:02:43,798 --> 01:02:46,172 I saw a lot of horrific images, 1263 01:02:46,255 --> 01:02:48,130 and it's hard to deal with that 1264 01:02:48,214 --> 01:02:50,798 and learn how to process that, 1265 01:02:50,881 --> 01:02:55,547 but I learned and found a way to... 1266 01:02:55,631 --> 01:02:57,923 store those images 1267 01:02:58,005 --> 01:03:01,047 and those experiences in my heart without it destroying me. 1268 01:03:04,547 --> 01:03:07,714 You wake up in the morning, and you brush it off, 1269 01:03:07,798 --> 01:03:12,714 and there's always an emergency and something pressing 1270 01:03:12,798 --> 01:03:14,214 that's happening, and you don't have time 1271 01:03:14,297 --> 01:03:15,756 to necessarily process during the day, 1272 01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:20,255 so you just... you just go 150 miles per hour. 1273 01:03:20,339 --> 01:03:23,255 You go until you crash again. 1274 01:03:31,005 --> 01:03:32,464 It was seven o'clock at night 1275 01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,839 when the most number of students and faculty 1276 01:03:34,923 --> 01:03:36,923 and staff were here, and it was just 1277 01:03:37,005 --> 01:03:40,422 when people were going to their last class of the day. 1278 01:03:40,506 --> 01:03:43,923 The attackers loose off a couple of volleys. 1279 01:03:44,005 --> 01:03:46,464 One of them goes this way 1280 01:03:46,547 --> 01:03:48,923 and heads towards our escape route. 1281 01:03:49,005 --> 01:03:52,089 Another one goes in here to our main classroom building. 1282 01:03:52,172 --> 01:03:54,506 At that time, this-these doors were open. 1283 01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:56,923 We didn't have the-the heavy doors we have on them now. 1284 01:03:58,339 --> 01:04:02,047 It was, uh, the month of August 1285 01:04:02,130 --> 01:04:03,964 in 2016, 1286 01:04:04,047 --> 01:04:06,547 and I was expecting 1287 01:04:06,631 --> 01:04:09,381 that it's my last semester. 1288 01:04:10,631 --> 01:04:12,172 I was done with my classes, 1289 01:04:12,255 --> 01:04:14,964 and I went to offer the evening prayer, 1290 01:04:15,047 --> 01:04:18,714 and we were about to leave the mosque. 1291 01:04:18,798 --> 01:04:22,089 I heard some people shouting. 1292 01:04:22,172 --> 01:04:24,673 My friend immediately closed the door, 1293 01:04:24,756 --> 01:04:26,923 and she said-- she-she calls me Bresh-- 1294 01:04:27,005 --> 01:04:30,381 and she said, "Bresh, why is there gunshots?" 1295 01:04:30,464 --> 01:04:32,255 As she said that... 1296 01:04:32,339 --> 01:04:34,673 ♪♪♪ 1297 01:04:34,756 --> 01:04:37,506 ...the explosion happened, 1298 01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:40,464 and everything went dark. 1299 01:04:40,547 --> 01:04:41,839 I saw myself on the ground 1300 01:04:41,923 --> 01:04:43,464 after a couple of minutes there, 1301 01:04:43,547 --> 01:04:46,297 and I realized that there was a huge, 1302 01:04:46,381 --> 01:04:48,130 um, hole in the back of my head. 1303 01:04:50,798 --> 01:04:54,339 American University campus in Kabul, Afghanistan, 1304 01:04:54,422 --> 01:04:55,839 is under attack as we speak. 1305 01:04:55,923 --> 01:04:58,881 At least one university guard is now dead. 1306 01:04:58,964 --> 01:05:01,714 Officials say that dozens of students and staff 1307 01:05:01,798 --> 01:05:05,506 are still trapped inside, their fate unknown. 1308 01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:08,964 Everybody was crying and screaming. 1309 01:05:09,047 --> 01:05:13,798 The terrorists said, "Don't scream," you know? 1310 01:05:13,881 --> 01:05:16,255 And then they started shooting. 1311 01:05:16,339 --> 01:05:18,422 ♪♪♪ 1312 01:05:18,506 --> 01:05:22,756 I felt that somebody's standing behind me, 1313 01:05:22,839 --> 01:05:26,047 and when I looked at him, he shot me, 1314 01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:28,881 and I pretended to be dead 1315 01:05:28,964 --> 01:05:33,214 because I thought this is the only way to... 1316 01:05:33,297 --> 01:05:34,881 to save myself. 1317 01:05:34,964 --> 01:05:40,047 ♪♪♪ 1318 01:05:44,756 --> 01:05:47,005 I was bleeding so badly. 1319 01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:48,881 I was trying to remember what's happening 1320 01:05:48,964 --> 01:05:50,839 at the university, 1321 01:05:50,923 --> 01:05:54,214 and I remember what my father told me. 1322 01:05:54,297 --> 01:05:56,547 He said I can't come here, 1323 01:05:56,631 --> 01:06:01,297 and I regretted, um, to have not accepted what he told me. 1324 01:06:01,381 --> 01:06:05,339 ♪♪♪ 1325 01:06:05,422 --> 01:06:10,255 I thought, um, "It's a-it's a dream." 1326 01:06:10,339 --> 01:06:11,631 I wanted to wake up, 1327 01:06:11,714 --> 01:06:13,589 but then I realized it's not a dream. 1328 01:06:13,673 --> 01:06:15,422 It's reality. 1329 01:06:18,547 --> 01:06:23,047 ♪♪♪ 1330 01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:26,005 This university has educated more than 100 1331 01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:28,255 top government officials, young people. 1332 01:06:28,339 --> 01:06:30,089 Afghanistan is a very young country, 1333 01:06:30,172 --> 01:06:32,422 where 75 percent of its population 1334 01:06:32,506 --> 01:06:35,547 is below the age of 25, 1335 01:06:35,631 --> 01:06:38,798 so the attack against the American University 1336 01:06:38,881 --> 01:06:41,381 is an attack against Afghanistan's future. 1337 01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:46,339 ♪♪♪ 1338 01:06:48,255 --> 01:06:50,881 We're numb to so many things in Afghanistan. 1339 01:06:50,964 --> 01:06:54,297 I mean, someone described PTSD to me, 1340 01:06:54,381 --> 01:06:57,714 and I think that as Afghans-as Afghans, 1341 01:06:57,798 --> 01:06:59,422 we collectively suffer from it. 1342 01:06:59,506 --> 01:07:04,422 ♪♪♪ 1343 01:07:06,339 --> 01:07:10,297 Unsafe now are Afghanistan's journalists. 1344 01:07:10,381 --> 01:07:15,214 A bus carrying TOLO TV employees was the target. 1345 01:07:16,923 --> 01:07:20,673 We have lost 13 colleagues in three years, 1346 01:07:20,756 --> 01:07:23,047 and they were kids that we employed, 1347 01:07:23,130 --> 01:07:25,589 and they were members of our family. 1348 01:07:25,673 --> 01:07:28,047 ♪♪♪ 1349 01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:30,631 It's not just a question of these young kids 1350 01:07:30,714 --> 01:07:31,839 leaving us far too early. 1351 01:07:31,964 --> 01:07:33,964 It's also their families. 1352 01:07:34,047 --> 01:07:36,214 Sometimes they were the breadwinners 1353 01:07:36,297 --> 01:07:38,005 of an entire clan. 1354 01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:39,881 ♪♪♪ 1355 01:07:39,964 --> 01:07:44,047 It brings home how serious, 1356 01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:46,214 you know, what we do is and... 1357 01:07:46,297 --> 01:07:49,130 and how dangerous it is, and, you know, 1358 01:07:49,214 --> 01:07:52,172 we've created this culture of telling the truth, 1359 01:07:52,255 --> 01:07:54,172 of pushing boundaries, 1360 01:07:54,255 --> 01:07:55,881 so there's an element of guilt 1361 01:07:55,964 --> 01:07:58,673 that we have exposed these people. 1362 01:07:58,756 --> 01:07:59,839 The Taliban said it meant 1363 01:07:59,923 --> 01:08:01,381 to target the journalists, 1364 01:08:01,464 --> 01:08:04,798 that the channel had accused their fighters of raping women 1365 01:08:04,881 --> 01:08:08,130 when they briefly seized the city of Kunduz last year. 1366 01:08:09,798 --> 01:08:12,422 You think it through, and then you think, you seriously think, 1367 01:08:12,506 --> 01:08:15,339 "Do we need to do this? Is it that important? 1368 01:08:15,422 --> 01:08:16,714 If we can save a life, 1369 01:08:16,798 --> 01:08:19,255 is it worth having a news outlet?" 1370 01:08:19,339 --> 01:08:21,589 ♪♪♪ 1371 01:08:21,673 --> 01:08:23,130 For the Taliban, 1372 01:08:23,214 --> 01:08:26,422 their ideology is so important for them, 1373 01:08:26,506 --> 01:08:28,881 and the values that we push, 1374 01:08:28,964 --> 01:08:30,381 whether it's women's rights and so forth, 1375 01:08:30,464 --> 01:08:33,047 goes very much against what they believe in. 1376 01:08:33,964 --> 01:08:37,047 But also, I think that we represent the new Afghanistan 1377 01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:39,923 because the country has moved on, 1378 01:08:40,005 --> 01:08:43,172 and for them, it's difficult to accept that. 1379 01:08:53,422 --> 01:08:57,464 I take some hope from the fact that now Afghans 1380 01:08:57,547 --> 01:08:59,631 on both sides of the conflict, 1381 01:08:59,714 --> 01:09:01,255 they're incredibly tired of this war. 1382 01:09:01,339 --> 01:09:04,422 They're not baying for blood. They want to see an end to it. 1383 01:09:04,506 --> 01:09:06,756 With people I trust amongst the Taliban, 1384 01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:09,130 we're involved in a collective effort to make sense 1385 01:09:09,214 --> 01:09:11,464 about what's going on inside their own movement, 1386 01:09:11,547 --> 01:09:14,422 about what's going on in Kabul and amongst the-the-- 1387 01:09:14,506 --> 01:09:16,255 you know, the non-Taliban Afghans, 1388 01:09:16,339 --> 01:09:19,714 and making sense of what the United States is doing. 1389 01:09:19,798 --> 01:09:22,714 Speaking native language 1390 01:09:24,172 --> 01:09:27,005 United States had a very difficult time, 1391 01:09:27,089 --> 01:09:30,839 almost from the beginning of the Afghan War, 1392 01:09:30,923 --> 01:09:33,089 deciding whether the Taliban 1393 01:09:33,172 --> 01:09:35,422 was an enemy of the United States. 1394 01:09:35,506 --> 01:09:37,798 Are they a threat to the United States? 1395 01:09:37,881 --> 01:09:40,798 Well, they're a threat to our ally in Afghanistan, 1396 01:09:40,881 --> 01:09:45,714 but no Taliban, uh, has declared an intention 1397 01:09:45,798 --> 01:09:47,339 to strike the United States, 1398 01:09:47,422 --> 01:09:50,130 certainly not in an official way. 1399 01:09:50,214 --> 01:09:51,964 In fact, they say the opposite-- 1400 01:09:52,047 --> 01:09:53,255 "We're only fighting you 1401 01:09:53,339 --> 01:09:54,464 because you're here in our country. 1402 01:09:54,547 --> 01:09:56,631 If you get out of our country, we'll leave you alone." 1403 01:09:56,714 --> 01:09:58,464 Right now the Taliban, 1404 01:09:58,547 --> 01:10:01,714 they don't like ISIS any more than we do, 1405 01:10:01,798 --> 01:10:04,255 so there's a war going on there 1406 01:10:04,339 --> 01:10:06,881 while the Taliban still blow up people in-in Kabul 1407 01:10:06,964 --> 01:10:09,047 and around the country. 1408 01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:11,297 I do think, at this point, 1409 01:10:11,381 --> 01:10:14,130 the Taliban may have learned their lesson 1410 01:10:14,214 --> 01:10:17,005 about harboring al-Qaeda. 1411 01:10:17,089 --> 01:10:18,506 Now, why they're after Americans now? 1412 01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:19,756 Because they're in Afghanistan. 1413 01:10:19,839 --> 01:10:21,506 We're there. 1414 01:10:21,589 --> 01:10:25,255 And for the Taliban and for- for Afghanistan in general, 1415 01:10:25,339 --> 01:10:30,130 the way to communicate is, you hurt them till they leave. 1416 01:10:30,214 --> 01:10:32,923 They did it to the Russians, you know, 1417 01:10:33,005 --> 01:10:35,506 and-and they're doing it to us. 1418 01:10:35,589 --> 01:10:37,339 An American soldier is dead tonight 1419 01:10:37,422 --> 01:10:38,964 after a Taliban car bomb exploded 1420 01:10:39,047 --> 01:10:40,756 in Kabul, Afghanistan. 1421 01:10:40,839 --> 01:10:43,923 Ten civilians and a military soldier from Romania 1422 01:10:44,005 --> 01:10:45,381 also killed in that attack, 1423 01:10:45,464 --> 01:10:49,422 which comes as the U.S. tries to finalize a peace deal. 1424 01:10:50,172 --> 01:10:50,923 I'm really interested 1425 01:10:51,005 --> 01:10:52,255 in that whole incident, 1426 01:10:52,339 --> 01:10:55,506 partly because there was a video someone took 1427 01:10:55,589 --> 01:10:56,714 right when it happened, 1428 01:10:56,798 --> 01:11:00,214 and there's an Afghan man who-- 1429 01:11:00,297 --> 01:11:02,214 I think he sees the truck or van 1430 01:11:02,297 --> 01:11:04,089 kind of coming on to the sidewalk, 1431 01:11:04,172 --> 01:11:07,255 and you can see he knows, and he starts to run, 1432 01:11:07,339 --> 01:11:11,881 and then he dies when it blows up. 1433 01:11:11,964 --> 01:11:16,381 That video went really viral, and it was such a sad story 1434 01:11:16,464 --> 01:11:18,839 'cause it was-- I think he was a shopkeeper, 1435 01:11:18,923 --> 01:11:21,130 and he usually sent his assistant to do something 1436 01:11:21,214 --> 01:11:22,923 but decided that day to give his assistant a break 1437 01:11:23,005 --> 01:11:24,130 and he would go do it. 1438 01:11:24,214 --> 01:11:26,214 I can't remember the exact story, 1439 01:11:26,297 --> 01:11:28,881 but something about that moment 1440 01:11:28,964 --> 01:11:33,339 and people seeing him kind of know what's coming 1441 01:11:33,422 --> 01:11:34,589 and try to escape, 1442 01:11:34,673 --> 01:11:37,798 I think every Afghan saw themselves in that, 1443 01:11:37,881 --> 01:11:40,130 and that's why people just kept watching it 1444 01:11:40,214 --> 01:11:41,464 over and over and over, 1445 01:11:41,547 --> 01:11:44,172 but that is what life has become, you know? 1446 01:11:44,255 --> 01:11:45,381 You're just waiting 1447 01:11:45,464 --> 01:11:48,839 or hoping you can outrun whatever's coming. 1448 01:11:48,923 --> 01:11:53,422 ♪♪♪ 1449 01:11:53,506 --> 01:11:55,089 We're like policemen. We're not fighting a war. 1450 01:11:55,172 --> 01:11:57,756 If we wanted to fight a war in Afghanistan and win it, 1451 01:11:57,839 --> 01:12:00,756 I could win that war in a week. 1452 01:12:00,839 --> 01:12:03,005 I just don't want to kill ten million people. 1453 01:12:03,089 --> 01:12:04,381 Does that make sense to you? 1454 01:12:04,464 --> 01:12:06,964 I don't want to kill ten million people. 1455 01:12:07,047 --> 01:12:09,172 I have plans on Afghanistan 1456 01:12:09,255 --> 01:12:11,589 that if I wanted to win that war, 1457 01:12:11,673 --> 01:12:14,589 Afghanistan would be wiped off the face of the Earth. 1458 01:12:14,673 --> 01:12:15,923 It would be gone. 1459 01:12:16,005 --> 01:12:19,631 It would be over in-- literally in ten days, 1460 01:12:19,714 --> 01:12:22,422 and I don't want to do-- I don't want to go that route. 1461 01:12:22,506 --> 01:12:25,798 United States does not owe us anything. 1462 01:12:25,881 --> 01:12:30,381 They can pull out any second they wish, 1463 01:12:30,464 --> 01:12:33,089 but what will be the interpretation 1464 01:12:33,172 --> 01:12:35,756 of this pullout? 1465 01:12:35,839 --> 01:12:38,631 There will be, whether you like it or not, 1466 01:12:38,714 --> 01:12:40,255 a domino effect. 1467 01:12:41,589 --> 01:12:44,923 This will be celebration for terrorists. 1468 01:12:45,005 --> 01:12:49,214 The mightiest power in the globe running away, 1469 01:12:49,297 --> 01:12:51,589 leaving the scene to who? 1470 01:12:51,673 --> 01:12:53,714 I'm not saying they must stay. 1471 01:12:53,798 --> 01:12:57,589 I mean, they-they can leave any moment they wish. 1472 01:12:57,673 --> 01:12:59,297 Seeing what we've seen in Afghanistan 1473 01:12:59,381 --> 01:13:02,839 and our involvement in it, being our longest-running war, 1474 01:13:02,923 --> 01:13:05,047 the theory is kind of panning out. 1475 01:13:07,214 --> 01:13:11,089 I don't see how this war can be won. 1476 01:13:13,506 --> 01:13:15,923 A bombshell series of investigative reports 1477 01:13:16,005 --> 01:13:17,214 in The Washington Post 1478 01:13:17,297 --> 01:13:19,422 exposing heartbreaking truths 1479 01:13:19,506 --> 01:13:21,297 about the U.S. war in Afghanistan, 1480 01:13:21,381 --> 01:13:23,589 which has claimed some 2,400 U.S. lives 1481 01:13:23,673 --> 01:13:27,172 and cost nearly a trillion dollars. 1482 01:13:27,255 --> 01:13:28,506 The first thing we did, 1483 01:13:28,589 --> 01:13:30,089 the first story was just to show 1484 01:13:30,172 --> 01:13:31,673 that disconnect between what they were saying in public 1485 01:13:31,756 --> 01:13:32,923 and what they were saying privately, 1486 01:13:33,005 --> 01:13:34,339 but then, as you pointed out, 1487 01:13:34,422 --> 01:13:35,756 we-we focus on certain themes, 1488 01:13:35,839 --> 01:13:38,339 certain core failings of the war. 1489 01:13:38,422 --> 01:13:41,255 That's the gist of-of the series. 1490 01:13:41,339 --> 01:13:42,631 A new report claims that the American people 1491 01:13:42,714 --> 01:13:45,339 were misled about the War in Afghanistan. 1492 01:13:45,422 --> 01:13:48,297 A Washington Post investigation looked at nearly 2,000 pages 1493 01:13:48,381 --> 01:13:50,214 of internal government documents 1494 01:13:50,297 --> 01:13:51,798 and found that senior U.S. officials 1495 01:13:51,881 --> 01:13:54,214 did not tell the truth. 1496 01:13:54,297 --> 01:13:55,714 "Built to Fail. 1497 01:13:55,798 --> 01:13:58,214 Despite vows the U.S. wouldn't get mired in nation building, 1498 01:13:58,297 --> 01:14:00,381 it has wasted billions doing just that." 1499 01:14:01,839 --> 01:14:03,714 Uh, "Consumed by Corruption. 1500 01:14:03,798 --> 01:14:05,714 The U.S. flooded the country with money 1501 01:14:05,798 --> 01:14:07,714 and then turned a blind eye to the graft it fueled." 1502 01:14:07,798 --> 01:14:09,047 "Unguarded Nation. 1503 01:14:09,130 --> 01:14:11,297 Afghan security forces, despite years of training, 1504 01:14:11,381 --> 01:14:13,547 were dogged by incompetence and corruption." 1505 01:14:13,631 --> 01:14:18,506 And the last day, uh, "Overwhelmed by Opium. 1506 01:14:18,589 --> 01:14:20,464 The U.S. war on drugs in Afghanistan 1507 01:14:20,547 --> 01:14:23,214 has imploded at nearly every turn." 1508 01:14:23,297 --> 01:14:25,255 I think the main headline is that, you know, 1509 01:14:25,339 --> 01:14:28,547 for 18 years, U.S. government, generals, 1510 01:14:28,631 --> 01:14:30,464 ambassadors, diplomats 1511 01:14:30,547 --> 01:14:31,923 were giving rosy pronouncements 1512 01:14:32,005 --> 01:14:33,297 about the War in Afghanistan, 1513 01:14:33,381 --> 01:14:36,381 even though they knew the war was not going well 1514 01:14:36,464 --> 01:14:37,756 or it was failing 1515 01:14:37,839 --> 01:14:40,047 or that they had profound doubts about the strategy. 1516 01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:42,464 So, in public, they were saying one thing 1517 01:14:42,547 --> 01:14:44,089 about how they were making progress 1518 01:14:44,172 --> 01:14:46,381 and this was a war worth fighting. 1519 01:14:46,464 --> 01:14:47,756 In private, 1520 01:14:47,839 --> 01:14:49,923 they admitted they had no idea what they were doing. 1521 01:14:50,005 --> 01:14:52,255 "We didn't know what we were doing," 1522 01:14:52,339 --> 01:14:55,214 said now-retired Lieutenant General Douglas Lute, 1523 01:14:55,297 --> 01:14:59,464 who was the Afghan war czar for Presidents Bush and Obama. 1524 01:14:59,547 --> 01:15:01,964 I can't think of another war 1525 01:15:02,047 --> 01:15:04,923 where you have the generals in charge of it 1526 01:15:05,005 --> 01:15:08,089 admitting that their strategy was fatally flawed, 1527 01:15:08,172 --> 01:15:10,881 and to say that in such raw terms, 1528 01:15:11,005 --> 01:15:13,923 it's not just news, it's-it's history. 1529 01:15:14,005 --> 01:15:16,464 We simply didn't know what we were doing. 1530 01:15:16,547 --> 01:15:20,547 It wasn't even mission creep. It was mission fantasy. 1531 01:15:20,631 --> 01:15:23,839 How do we ever believe in our military people in the future? 1532 01:15:23,923 --> 01:15:25,714 I mean, it's like a spouse who's been cheated on. 1533 01:15:25,798 --> 01:15:27,130 How do I ever trust you again? 1534 01:15:27,214 --> 01:15:28,798 In a country increasingly divided every day, 1535 01:15:28,881 --> 01:15:30,297 it's nice to learn that there's one issue 1536 01:15:30,381 --> 01:15:32,464 that brings America's leaders together-- 1537 01:15:32,547 --> 01:15:33,756 lying about war. 1538 01:15:33,839 --> 01:15:36,798 ♪ Dramatic music ♪ 1539 01:15:36,881 --> 01:15:40,589 ♪♪♪ 1540 01:15:40,673 --> 01:15:41,756 I think the American public 1541 01:15:41,839 --> 01:15:43,506 has always wanted to support the war. 1542 01:15:43,589 --> 01:15:44,714 They wanted to support the troops here. 1543 01:15:44,798 --> 01:15:47,172 This is very different from Iraq or other conflicts 1544 01:15:47,255 --> 01:15:49,714 around the world, and-- but over time, 1545 01:15:49,798 --> 01:15:52,381 it's become clear, I think, to the American people 1546 01:15:52,464 --> 01:15:54,756 that this wasn't working out as intended. 1547 01:15:54,839 --> 01:15:57,339 It took years and years much longer than they thought, 1548 01:15:57,422 --> 01:15:59,839 and they've heard three presidents talk about this. 1549 01:15:59,923 --> 01:16:01,547 And they knew it didn't add up. 1550 01:16:01,631 --> 01:16:06,255 ♪♪♪ 1551 01:16:06,339 --> 01:16:08,339 Building schools and protecting women's rights 1552 01:16:08,422 --> 01:16:11,214 and so on, that's not what this war is about. 1553 01:16:11,297 --> 01:16:13,297 Those have always been secondary 1554 01:16:13,381 --> 01:16:14,589 to the primary objective, 1555 01:16:14,673 --> 01:16:19,089 which has been to hunt Taliban and al-Qaeda. 1556 01:16:19,172 --> 01:16:21,839 The secret detentions, the torture, 1557 01:16:21,923 --> 01:16:25,881 ceaseless night raids, air strikes, drone attacks, 1558 01:16:25,964 --> 01:16:29,673 when I said it's a CIA war, meaning they've sort of set 1559 01:16:29,756 --> 01:16:33,214 the priorities for the war, 1560 01:16:33,297 --> 01:16:37,297 and for the Afghans, this is a never-ending war, 1561 01:16:37,381 --> 01:16:40,130 and many of them have seen nothing but. 1562 01:16:40,214 --> 01:16:44,631 ♪♪♪ 1563 01:16:44,714 --> 01:16:47,214 The U.S. and the Taliban have just signed 1564 01:16:47,297 --> 01:16:50,047 a landmark agreement that could finally lead 1565 01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:53,214 to an end of hostilities in Afghanistan. 1566 01:16:53,297 --> 01:16:56,798 After two decades of war, the U.S. and the Afghan Taliban 1567 01:16:56,881 --> 01:16:59,047 have just signed a long-awaited deal 1568 01:16:59,130 --> 01:17:00,714 aimed at paving the way to peace 1569 01:17:00,798 --> 01:17:03,047 and the departure of foreign troops. 1570 01:17:03,130 --> 01:17:04,547 Not part of the deal? 1571 01:17:04,631 --> 01:17:05,756 Any commitments from the Taliban 1572 01:17:05,839 --> 01:17:07,547 to protect the civil rights of people 1573 01:17:07,631 --> 01:17:09,047 they so brutally repressed 1574 01:17:09,130 --> 01:17:12,881 when last in power, particularly women. 1575 01:17:12,964 --> 01:17:15,047 Afghanistan has suffered for 40 years, 1576 01:17:15,130 --> 01:17:16,798 so it's very hard to see how this country 1577 01:17:16,881 --> 01:17:18,839 is going to be able to pull together. 1578 01:17:18,923 --> 01:17:20,464 The coming days and months are going to decide 1579 01:17:20,547 --> 01:17:22,839 whether peace in Afghanistan is going to move 1580 01:17:22,923 --> 01:17:25,464 from a signed document to reality on the ground. 1581 01:17:25,547 --> 01:17:29,923 I really believe the Taliban wants to do something to show 1582 01:17:30,005 --> 01:17:33,255 that we're not all wasting time. 1583 01:17:33,339 --> 01:17:35,923 If bad things happen, we'll go back. 1584 01:17:36,005 --> 01:17:40,881 ♪♪♪ 1585 01:17:42,714 --> 01:17:44,923 Meeting with Afghans, you can tell 1586 01:17:45,005 --> 01:17:49,381 they've lost faith in their American counterparts 1587 01:17:49,464 --> 01:17:52,255 because of the historical flip-flopping 1588 01:17:52,339 --> 01:17:55,422 and pulling back and pushing back into areas, 1589 01:17:55,506 --> 01:17:57,714 and you can see in their eyes 1590 01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:02,172 the weariness and frustration, 1591 01:18:02,255 --> 01:18:03,673 'cause it's their country. 1592 01:18:03,756 --> 01:18:08,047 It's their families, and it's their people, 1593 01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:11,756 and we come and go... 1594 01:18:11,839 --> 01:18:13,631 and that hurts. 1595 01:18:18,005 --> 01:18:22,714 After the attack, I went to the United States. 1596 01:18:22,798 --> 01:18:25,673 My medical treatment was sponsored 1597 01:18:25,756 --> 01:18:30,047 by a hospital in Dallas. 1598 01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:33,881 I spent six months in the hospital, 1599 01:18:33,964 --> 01:18:38,255 and many people told me to stay there in the U.S., 1600 01:18:38,339 --> 01:18:41,964 but I really wanted to graduate, 1601 01:18:42,047 --> 01:18:45,798 and also, I wanted to come back to Afghanistan. 1602 01:18:45,881 --> 01:18:49,464 I don't know, but I wanted to come back. 1603 01:18:49,547 --> 01:18:50,798 I don't hate those people 1604 01:18:50,881 --> 01:18:52,464 who attacked my university, 1605 01:18:52,547 --> 01:18:55,964 because one day, with the education I receive, 1606 01:18:56,047 --> 01:19:00,756 I want to bring a change that will affect their children. 1607 01:19:00,839 --> 01:19:03,964 Educated people are leaving the country 1608 01:19:04,047 --> 01:19:08,172 because of insecurity, but if everybody leaves, 1609 01:19:08,255 --> 01:19:10,798 who will do something for the country? 1610 01:19:15,547 --> 01:19:16,756 We cannot just depend 1611 01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:21,756 on the United States for peace. 1612 01:19:21,839 --> 01:19:25,339 So I think I have the responsibility to work for it, 1613 01:19:25,422 --> 01:19:27,381 because this is the time. 1614 01:19:27,464 --> 01:19:29,798 The country is in need. 1615 01:19:31,297 --> 01:19:32,964 Afghanistan is the youngest country 1616 01:19:33,047 --> 01:19:35,798 outside of Africa, median age of 18. 1617 01:19:35,881 --> 01:19:37,464 I think 60 percent of the population 1618 01:19:37,547 --> 01:19:38,964 is under the age of 20, 1619 01:19:39,047 --> 01:19:40,714 so there's certainly this appetite, 1620 01:19:40,798 --> 01:19:43,172 this capacity to embrace change. 1621 01:19:46,255 --> 01:19:48,506 ♪♪♪ 1622 01:19:48,589 --> 01:19:50,381 You know, in life, you get one shot 1623 01:19:50,464 --> 01:19:54,756 at doing something that is impactful. 1624 01:19:54,839 --> 01:19:57,005 Whether we're successful or not is another story, 1625 01:19:57,089 --> 01:19:59,297 but we-we've tried. 1626 01:19:59,381 --> 01:20:01,631 ♪♪♪ 1627 01:20:01,714 --> 01:20:04,339 buwee' ted 1628 01:20:04,422 --> 01:20:05,255 ♪♪ 124018

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