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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,276 --> 00:00:15,527 Oh, I didn't pay. Can you pay here? 2 00:00:23,568 --> 00:00:27,819 Oh, my gosh. It took my card. 3 00:00:31,402 --> 00:00:34,068 You might want to go back, dude. 4 00:00:34,151 --> 00:00:36,944 So today I'm getting filmed 5 00:00:37,026 --> 00:00:40,777 about my job at CIA. 6 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:44,110 I know you-you were, um, studying 7 00:00:44,193 --> 00:00:47,402 about Afghanistan and... 8 00:00:47,485 --> 00:00:48,694 All the wars. 9 00:00:48,777 --> 00:00:53,026 All the wars, and you, um, were a spy. 10 00:00:54,777 --> 00:00:57,777 I worked with spies. It's true. 11 00:01:00,610 --> 00:01:03,151 I'll never feel like an Afghanistan expert. 12 00:01:05,318 --> 00:01:09,402 The war, it's so complex. 13 00:01:09,485 --> 00:01:12,527 It's almost been cyclical with our U.S. government as well. 14 00:01:15,819 --> 00:01:18,026 What is the mission? What is the goal there? 15 00:01:19,276 --> 00:01:21,235 ♪ Soft music ♪ 16 00:01:21,318 --> 00:01:24,443 And I got to know Afghans. I worked with Afghans. 17 00:01:24,527 --> 00:01:26,944 I'm a woman, a mother. 18 00:01:27,026 --> 00:01:30,068 My heart hurts for these people 19 00:01:30,151 --> 00:01:34,568 because I just don't see how this ends. 20 00:01:34,652 --> 00:01:38,860 ♪♪♪ 21 00:01:41,026 --> 00:01:43,860 After the extraordinary sacrifice 22 00:01:43,944 --> 00:01:45,819 of blood and treasure, 23 00:01:45,902 --> 00:01:48,568 the American people are weary 24 00:01:48,652 --> 00:01:52,360 of the longest war in American history. 25 00:01:52,443 --> 00:01:55,860 This year we will bring America's longest war 26 00:01:55,944 --> 00:01:58,026 to a responsible end. 27 00:01:58,110 --> 00:02:00,485 I want the Afghan people to understand... 28 00:02:00,568 --> 00:02:04,777 America seeks an end to this era of war and suffering. 29 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:06,068 We know from the history 30 00:02:06,151 --> 00:02:07,985 of military conflict in Afghanistan, 31 00:02:08,068 --> 00:02:09,860 it's been one of initial success 32 00:02:09,944 --> 00:02:11,568 followed by long years 33 00:02:11,652 --> 00:02:14,860 of floundering and ultimate failure. 34 00:02:14,944 --> 00:02:16,402 We're not gonna repeat that mistake. 35 00:02:16,485 --> 00:02:18,985 We welcome the distinguished interim leader 36 00:02:19,068 --> 00:02:22,193 of a liberated Afghanistan, Chairman Hamid Karzai. 37 00:02:23,568 --> 00:02:25,443 Osama bin Laden publicly vowed 38 00:02:25,527 --> 00:02:27,068 to wage a terrorist war 39 00:02:27,151 --> 00:02:29,276 against America from Afghanistan. 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,735 This will be a long ongoing struggle 41 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:34,860 between freedom and fanaticism. 42 00:02:34,944 --> 00:02:36,443 Our commitment to the people there 43 00:02:36,527 --> 00:02:39,819 would lead to a peaceful Afghanistan 44 00:02:39,902 --> 00:02:41,443 with no more bloodbaths. 45 00:02:41,527 --> 00:02:43,860 The goal of the United States 46 00:02:43,944 --> 00:02:47,151 remains a genuinely independent Afghanistan, 47 00:02:47,235 --> 00:02:49,610 free from external interference. 48 00:02:49,694 --> 00:02:52,777 Massive Soviet military forces have invaded 49 00:02:52,860 --> 00:02:56,318 the small sovereign nation of Afghanistan. 50 00:02:56,402 --> 00:03:00,860 History teaches that aggression unopposed 51 00:03:00,944 --> 00:03:03,193 becomes a contagious disease. 52 00:03:03,276 --> 00:03:08,402 ♪♪♪ 53 00:03:13,235 --> 00:03:15,360 I grew up thinking Afghanistan 54 00:03:15,443 --> 00:03:17,652 was the biggest country in the world, 55 00:03:17,735 --> 00:03:19,819 the most beautiful country in the world, 56 00:03:19,902 --> 00:03:22,193 the most developed country in the world, 57 00:03:22,276 --> 00:03:24,318 with a huge passion for my country 58 00:03:24,402 --> 00:03:26,860 because it was very much 59 00:03:26,944 --> 00:03:30,151 the same, uh, thing my father shared. 60 00:03:30,235 --> 00:03:34,151 ♪♪♪ 61 00:03:34,235 --> 00:03:36,860 In a very romantic way, 62 00:03:36,944 --> 00:03:39,944 my father was always talking about the Afghanistan 63 00:03:40,026 --> 00:03:42,318 that he had experienced. 64 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:45,819 They would go on the weekends to restaurants. 65 00:03:45,902 --> 00:03:49,318 They would take a walk in the park. 66 00:03:49,402 --> 00:03:54,068 But these were all those, uh, fairy tales to us. 67 00:03:54,151 --> 00:03:57,902 Mm, we never experienced Afghanistan that way. 68 00:03:57,985 --> 00:04:03,110 ♪♪♪ 69 00:04:05,985 --> 00:04:10,610 One thing in common about many of these fights in my country 70 00:04:10,694 --> 00:04:13,026 is that, unfortunately, 71 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:17,944 it's our soil that is being used for various wars 72 00:04:18,026 --> 00:04:20,860 between the global powers. 73 00:04:20,944 --> 00:04:25,819 ♪♪♪ 74 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:31,985 The world simply cannot stand by 75 00:04:32,068 --> 00:04:34,068 and permit the Soviet Union 76 00:04:34,151 --> 00:04:36,819 to commit this act with impunity. 77 00:04:38,819 --> 00:04:41,652 The Soviets killed about ten percent of the population. 78 00:04:43,068 --> 00:04:45,110 It was a genocide, 79 00:04:45,193 --> 00:04:48,485 and the military was not doing anything about it, 80 00:04:48,568 --> 00:04:51,777 but I heard that, uh, the agency did. 81 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:53,902 The CIA director says, 82 00:04:53,985 --> 00:04:57,402 "I want you to go out there and win this." 83 00:04:57,485 --> 00:04:59,985 I was the Washington Post correspondent 84 00:05:00,068 --> 00:05:02,777 in, uh, South Asia, so the Afghan War 85 00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:05,777 was pretty much the biggest story on my beat. 86 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:09,568 Pakistan had an immediate refugee flow. 87 00:05:09,652 --> 00:05:12,860 They went to their ally, the United States, and said, 88 00:05:12,944 --> 00:05:14,443 "We've got all these rebels 89 00:05:14,527 --> 00:05:17,527 who are coming into our country as refugees. 90 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:20,694 They want to liberate their country 91 00:05:20,777 --> 00:05:22,235 from Soviet occupation. 92 00:05:22,318 --> 00:05:24,735 We, the Pakistan government, are inclined to help them, 93 00:05:24,819 --> 00:05:26,902 but we could use your support as well." 94 00:05:26,985 --> 00:05:29,443 And so we were told to get busy 95 00:05:29,527 --> 00:05:31,193 and try to figure out what was happening 96 00:05:31,276 --> 00:05:33,402 with these guys called the mujahideen. 97 00:05:34,902 --> 00:05:37,151 People knew that the CIA 98 00:05:37,235 --> 00:05:38,819 was supporting the Afghans. 99 00:05:38,902 --> 00:05:40,485 They could never know how. 100 00:05:40,568 --> 00:05:43,819 So we then decided we would use the Pakistanis 101 00:05:43,902 --> 00:05:46,568 as our surrogates to support the mujahideen. 102 00:05:48,485 --> 00:05:50,652 Speaking native language 103 00:05:50,735 --> 00:05:52,735 The Soviet presence in Afghanistan 104 00:05:52,819 --> 00:05:55,443 is a major impediment 105 00:05:55,527 --> 00:05:57,318 to improved U.S.-Soviet relations, 106 00:05:57,402 --> 00:05:59,777 and we would like to remove it. 107 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,360 We were putting in a variety of weapons systems 108 00:06:02,443 --> 00:06:04,443 into the hands of the mujahideen. 109 00:06:04,527 --> 00:06:06,402 The United States started to provide 110 00:06:06,485 --> 00:06:08,568 these Stinger antiaircraft missiles 111 00:06:08,652 --> 00:06:13,110 to equip the rebels to fight the Soviets as equals. 112 00:06:13,193 --> 00:06:15,944 They started knocking Soviet aircraft out of the sky 113 00:06:16,026 --> 00:06:17,610 by the hundreds. 114 00:06:17,694 --> 00:06:19,360 That changed the war, 115 00:06:19,443 --> 00:06:21,902 and it showed that the U.S. government was serious 116 00:06:22,026 --> 00:06:24,610 about not just inflicting some damage on the Soviets 117 00:06:24,694 --> 00:06:28,193 but actually getting them to leave Afghanistan, 118 00:06:28,276 --> 00:06:29,735 which is what they did. 119 00:06:29,819 --> 00:06:32,694 And as soon as Boris Gromov rode on that tank 120 00:06:32,777 --> 00:06:34,902 out to the middle of Friendship Bridge 121 00:06:34,985 --> 00:06:36,860 from Afghanistan, 122 00:06:36,944 --> 00:06:41,151 I hit send on a cable that was typed out using Xs 123 00:06:41,235 --> 00:06:44,360 to make a big, "We won." 124 00:06:44,443 --> 00:06:45,985 ♪♪♪ 125 00:06:46,068 --> 00:06:47,860 I wrote an article and put the name on it, 126 00:06:47,944 --> 00:06:49,360 "Graveyard of Empires." 127 00:06:49,443 --> 00:06:53,110 My point was, it's very easy getting in there, 128 00:06:53,193 --> 00:06:57,443 but getting out is immensely difficult, 129 00:06:57,527 --> 00:07:01,026 and winning is... 130 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:02,860 very, very questionable. 131 00:07:02,985 --> 00:07:04,276 Whatever winning means, 132 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,026 you usually don't get it in Afghanistan. 133 00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:12,026 ♪♪♪ 134 00:07:15,985 --> 00:07:19,318 Kabul has changed a lot in the last several years. 135 00:07:19,402 --> 00:07:20,735 It used to be that you could 136 00:07:20,819 --> 00:07:22,002 kind of walk around the streets 137 00:07:22,026 --> 00:07:23,568 and pick up a cab 138 00:07:23,652 --> 00:07:26,610 and go to a restaurant, have a nice meal. 139 00:07:26,694 --> 00:07:29,026 If you're a foreigner, that's basically all gone. 140 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:31,694 ♪♪♪ 141 00:07:31,777 --> 00:07:34,193 The Taliban have done a campaign of attacking 142 00:07:34,276 --> 00:07:37,610 anywhere Westerners gather, and we're in an armored car 143 00:07:37,694 --> 00:07:40,777 because it's regarded as too dangerous now, 144 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:43,568 which is a pity because Kabul is an amazingly beautiful 145 00:07:43,652 --> 00:07:45,610 and vibrant city. 146 00:07:45,694 --> 00:07:48,610 The city is now brimming with up to six million people, 147 00:07:48,694 --> 00:07:50,503 and it's a very different Kabul than the one I remember 148 00:07:50,527 --> 00:07:53,235 under the Taliban or during the Civil War. 149 00:07:53,318 --> 00:07:58,402 ♪♪♪ 150 00:08:01,443 --> 00:08:03,044 The United States ended its official presence 151 00:08:03,068 --> 00:08:04,819 in Afghanistan today, two weeks before 152 00:08:04,902 --> 00:08:07,527 Soviet troops are scheduled to complete their pullout. 153 00:08:07,610 --> 00:08:09,193 Our State Department correspondent 154 00:08:09,276 --> 00:08:11,110 Bill Plante reports. 155 00:08:11,985 --> 00:08:14,485 A marine guard hauled down the stars and stripes 156 00:08:14,568 --> 00:08:16,318 at the U.S. embassy in Kabul 157 00:08:16,402 --> 00:08:17,902 as the remaining handful of diplomats 158 00:08:17,985 --> 00:08:19,777 prepared to get out of Afghanistan 159 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:21,568 as soon as weather permits. 160 00:08:21,652 --> 00:08:23,527 The U.S. joins other Western nations 161 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:25,068 which have temporarily pulled out, 162 00:08:25,151 --> 00:08:27,485 fearing chaos after Soviet troops 163 00:08:27,568 --> 00:08:29,610 end their ten-year occupation. 164 00:08:36,985 --> 00:08:40,235 I first got into, uh, Afghanistan 165 00:08:40,318 --> 00:08:42,318 by crossing the-the frontier 166 00:08:42,402 --> 00:08:45,193 between Pakistan and Afghanistan 167 00:08:45,276 --> 00:08:49,235 with a group of mujahideen in mid-1989, 168 00:08:49,318 --> 00:08:52,902 just as the Soviet Union had, uh, withdrawn. 169 00:08:52,985 --> 00:08:55,652 ♪♪♪ 170 00:08:55,735 --> 00:08:58,652 I was working with an aid agency, 171 00:08:58,735 --> 00:09:00,985 trying to help both with refugees in Pakistan 172 00:09:01,068 --> 00:09:03,985 and inside Afghanistan. 173 00:09:04,068 --> 00:09:08,360 People were readying themselves for the fight 174 00:09:08,443 --> 00:09:13,068 over who would claim Afghanistan 175 00:09:13,151 --> 00:09:16,193 now that the-the Soviets had got out. 176 00:09:16,276 --> 00:09:20,860 ♪♪♪ 177 00:09:22,527 --> 00:09:25,777 America made a fatal mistake. 178 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:29,610 The Afghan thing was almost totally forgotten. 179 00:09:29,694 --> 00:09:33,360 The result was that an Afghanistan 180 00:09:33,443 --> 00:09:38,026 so overloaded with ordnance and awash with money 181 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:40,443 slipped into its own devices. 182 00:09:41,777 --> 00:09:43,610 From a war correspondent's perspective, 183 00:09:43,694 --> 00:09:45,014 by the time I was traveling around 184 00:09:45,068 --> 00:09:46,228 in the war in the early '90s, 185 00:09:46,276 --> 00:09:48,151 it had become a nasty civil war. 186 00:09:50,568 --> 00:09:51,735 The thing I remember most 187 00:09:51,819 --> 00:09:53,694 was how lonely it was. 188 00:09:54,777 --> 00:09:57,735 Kabul was like a ghost city. 189 00:09:57,819 --> 00:10:00,819 You could stand in a major intersection, 190 00:10:00,902 --> 00:10:04,735 which now has endless clogged traffic jams, 191 00:10:04,819 --> 00:10:08,151 and see no one and hear nothing but bicycle spokes 192 00:10:08,235 --> 00:10:10,360 and horse carriage bells. 193 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:12,652 It was very haunting. 194 00:10:12,735 --> 00:10:14,902 Yelling in native language 195 00:10:14,985 --> 00:10:17,193 There was rape. There was robbery. 196 00:10:17,276 --> 00:10:21,527 Buildings were rocketed and shot all the time. 197 00:10:21,610 --> 00:10:23,777 People were terrified. 198 00:10:24,902 --> 00:10:27,985 Out of the fight, street by street in Kabul, 199 00:10:28,068 --> 00:10:31,819 replicated in the sort of districts of the country, 200 00:10:31,902 --> 00:10:33,944 we got the Taliban movement. 201 00:10:35,527 --> 00:10:38,485 I can recall the precise moment 202 00:10:38,568 --> 00:10:41,652 in which I learnt of the Taliban movement. 203 00:10:41,735 --> 00:10:44,944 I was at a garden party, and a posh Englishman 204 00:10:45,026 --> 00:10:49,443 told me about this supposedly Islamic student movement 205 00:10:49,527 --> 00:10:53,026 which had just taken over a swath of territory in Kandahar 206 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:57,527 and was chasing after these money-grubbing, gun-wielding, 207 00:10:57,610 --> 00:11:00,735 you know, commanders left over from the mujahideen, 208 00:11:00,819 --> 00:11:03,235 hanging them up from trees and posts 209 00:11:03,318 --> 00:11:06,777 and stuffing money in their mouths, 210 00:11:06,860 --> 00:11:07,985 and he told me, 211 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:10,443 "Michael, this looks like the next big thing," 212 00:11:10,527 --> 00:11:12,777 um, and he was right. 213 00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:14,860 The Taliban advertised themselves 214 00:11:14,944 --> 00:11:17,860 as a kind of purifying force, a cleansing force 215 00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:21,151 that would reunify Afghanistan under the banner of Islam. 216 00:11:23,235 --> 00:11:27,151 That was very attractive to the Pakistanis. 217 00:11:27,235 --> 00:11:29,652 They didn't want Afghanistan to be a threat, 218 00:11:29,735 --> 00:11:32,443 and so the Pakistani government 219 00:11:32,527 --> 00:11:34,151 threw their weight militarily 220 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:37,527 and financially behind the Taliban, 221 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:39,485 and by early 1996, 222 00:11:39,568 --> 00:11:42,360 they controlled three-fourths of Afghanistan. 223 00:11:43,402 --> 00:11:45,527 They often conquered without firing a shot. 224 00:11:45,610 --> 00:11:47,527 They would just ride into a town 225 00:11:47,610 --> 00:11:49,151 holding Korans in the air 226 00:11:49,235 --> 00:11:53,652 or waving the flags of, uh, their movement or of Islam, 227 00:11:53,735 --> 00:11:57,652 and whole garrisons would just, uh, change sides. 228 00:11:57,735 --> 00:12:00,193 The gratitude began to fade 229 00:12:00,276 --> 00:12:02,610 and be replaced with something else 230 00:12:02,694 --> 00:12:05,944 when it became clear that the Taliban wanted 231 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:10,276 to enforce an extremely restrictive version of Islam. 232 00:12:12,443 --> 00:12:14,777 I went to Afghanistan as a journalist, 233 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:17,944 I think, five or six times, 234 00:12:18,026 --> 00:12:20,026 and that meant that you had to get a visa 235 00:12:20,110 --> 00:12:22,402 from the Taliban government, 236 00:12:22,485 --> 00:12:24,485 which meant that you were there under very limited 237 00:12:24,568 --> 00:12:28,360 and very strict conditions, and there were many conditions. 238 00:12:28,443 --> 00:12:30,860 Number one, you had to completely cover yourself 239 00:12:30,944 --> 00:12:32,193 except your face. 240 00:12:32,276 --> 00:12:34,485 Number two, you couldn't meet with women. 241 00:12:34,568 --> 00:12:37,694 Number three, you couldn't take pictures of anything. 242 00:12:37,777 --> 00:12:39,026 I had a camera, a small camera, 243 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:41,151 hidden under my voluminous scarf, 244 00:12:41,235 --> 00:12:44,068 and we stopped at a bakery to buy some bread, 245 00:12:44,151 --> 00:12:47,735 and I saw this boy's face through the window, 246 00:12:47,819 --> 00:12:49,819 and I just ducked into the bakery, 247 00:12:49,902 --> 00:12:51,151 and I got out my camera, 248 00:12:51,235 --> 00:12:53,735 and I just took this one single picture of him, 249 00:12:53,819 --> 00:12:54,944 and then I left. 250 00:12:55,026 --> 00:12:59,902 ♪♪♪ 251 00:13:03,694 --> 00:13:08,068 There was no music, no-no TV, no phone system to speak of. 252 00:13:08,151 --> 00:13:10,735 Women were locked inside their houses. 253 00:13:10,819 --> 00:13:13,944 Girls were not educated. The economy totally collapsed. 254 00:13:14,026 --> 00:13:18,235 ♪♪♪ 255 00:13:18,318 --> 00:13:22,068 The deal was, you get the right to life, 256 00:13:22,151 --> 00:13:25,902 and you give up pretty much all other rights. 257 00:13:25,985 --> 00:13:31,110 ♪♪♪ 258 00:13:35,694 --> 00:13:38,735 This is the pictures of all the ambassadors 259 00:13:38,819 --> 00:13:40,819 that served here. 260 00:13:40,902 --> 00:13:43,610 As you can see, there are no women. 261 00:13:43,694 --> 00:13:46,694 So here, I would come as a shock factor, 262 00:13:46,777 --> 00:13:48,944 but that's where the change happens. 263 00:13:58,026 --> 00:13:59,402 Starting '92, 264 00:13:59,485 --> 00:14:02,819 I found the country in the worst possible shape. 265 00:14:02,902 --> 00:14:07,860 There was this, uh, ambience 266 00:14:07,944 --> 00:14:11,360 of darkness and fear 267 00:14:11,443 --> 00:14:13,068 and gloom. 268 00:14:13,151 --> 00:14:15,985 ♪♪♪ 269 00:14:16,068 --> 00:14:18,944 We have to wear burkas. 270 00:14:19,026 --> 00:14:21,110 We never wore burkas in my entire life. 271 00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:23,902 I was a young teenager, and I thought, "Why? 272 00:14:23,985 --> 00:14:26,652 Why should I be like this?" 273 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:29,568 I told my family that I am going to sew 274 00:14:29,652 --> 00:14:32,485 the two big shawls that we had 275 00:14:32,568 --> 00:14:34,819 so that I will have a very big sheet, 276 00:14:34,902 --> 00:14:36,902 and I would fully cover myself, 277 00:14:36,985 --> 00:14:39,735 but I am not gonna wear a burka. 278 00:14:39,819 --> 00:14:44,485 It symbolized so much oppression to me. 279 00:14:44,568 --> 00:14:49,026 ♪♪♪ 280 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:52,860 In 2001, 281 00:14:52,944 --> 00:14:57,485 there were 900,000 students in school, 282 00:14:57,568 --> 00:14:59,527 and the number of girls? 283 00:14:59,610 --> 00:15:01,110 Zero. 284 00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:07,193 We did not want our generations to be illiterate. 285 00:15:07,276 --> 00:15:10,819 So, if somebody knew math, 286 00:15:10,902 --> 00:15:13,735 they would quietly tell 287 00:15:13,819 --> 00:15:16,360 the neighborhood, uh, boys and girls 288 00:15:16,443 --> 00:15:19,777 that, "We will teach you math," 289 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:22,151 but that always had to be hidden. 290 00:15:23,777 --> 00:15:27,110 We said, "When you guys are victorious 291 00:15:27,193 --> 00:15:29,110 and the Soviets are gone, we're finished. 292 00:15:29,193 --> 00:15:31,151 We turn the country over to you. 293 00:15:31,235 --> 00:15:32,527 We're not here forever." 294 00:15:32,610 --> 00:15:35,276 ♪♪♪ 295 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,151 When that happened, we basically walked away. 296 00:15:38,235 --> 00:15:43,276 ♪♪♪ 297 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:46,568 When the Taliban took over, most people said, 298 00:15:46,652 --> 00:15:47,920 "There's nothing we can do about it, 299 00:15:47,944 --> 00:15:49,235 so we're not gonna do anything. 300 00:15:49,318 --> 00:15:51,568 We're not even gonna worry about it." 301 00:15:51,652 --> 00:15:54,568 Our interest really was when bin Laden went there, 302 00:15:54,652 --> 00:15:58,151 rather than anything that's gonna change Afghanistan. 303 00:15:58,235 --> 00:16:03,026 ♪♪♪ 304 00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:05,902 I come from a rural family. 305 00:16:06,026 --> 00:16:08,610 Uh, we were one of the destitute families, 306 00:16:08,694 --> 00:16:10,485 uh, due to war, 307 00:16:10,568 --> 00:16:14,819 and, uh, when I became able enough, 308 00:16:14,902 --> 00:16:16,944 I went back to the valley, 309 00:16:17,026 --> 00:16:20,819 and I joined, uh, the forces fighting the regime. 310 00:16:20,902 --> 00:16:22,568 At the age of 19, 311 00:16:22,652 --> 00:16:25,026 he was already a seasoned war veteran 312 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:27,276 in charge of rebuilding villages 313 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,902 bombed in the fighting. 314 00:16:28,985 --> 00:16:30,610 Couple of years later, 315 00:16:30,694 --> 00:16:33,443 I was given intelligence assignment. 316 00:16:33,527 --> 00:16:36,777 So, since '97, I was assigned 317 00:16:36,860 --> 00:16:39,026 to handle the overall relationship 318 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:41,276 with the, uh... with the CIA. 319 00:16:43,026 --> 00:16:45,777 The strategic aspect of the relationship 320 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:48,443 was telling them what is terrorism, 321 00:16:48,527 --> 00:16:52,735 what is bin Laden, what is al-Qaeda, 322 00:16:52,819 --> 00:16:56,610 and what type of threat does it pose 323 00:16:56,694 --> 00:16:59,860 to U.S. interest in the wider region 324 00:16:59,944 --> 00:17:02,527 and how we should, uh, cope with it. 325 00:17:02,610 --> 00:17:04,860 Of course, they were not very receptive 326 00:17:04,944 --> 00:17:08,110 of our strategic analysis. 327 00:17:08,193 --> 00:17:11,151 They were showing very little interest 328 00:17:11,235 --> 00:17:13,527 to the hosts of al-Qaeda. 329 00:17:13,610 --> 00:17:16,819 They were showing very, very little interest 330 00:17:16,902 --> 00:17:19,235 to the plight of the Afghan people, 331 00:17:19,318 --> 00:17:23,777 who were suffering under that terrorist regime. 332 00:17:23,860 --> 00:17:26,151 ♪♪♪ 333 00:17:26,235 --> 00:17:27,836 One thing Afghans don't need a lot of help with 334 00:17:27,860 --> 00:17:30,193 is fighting, uh, and, uh... 335 00:17:30,276 --> 00:17:33,026 But a number of Arabs, like Osama bin Laden, came, 336 00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:34,294 and they were very idealistic. 337 00:17:34,318 --> 00:17:35,694 They weren't very large in number. 338 00:17:35,777 --> 00:17:37,217 They weren't very military effective. 339 00:17:37,276 --> 00:17:39,527 They didn't have any fighting experience. 340 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:41,068 But they got together, 341 00:17:41,151 --> 00:17:43,527 and he founded al-Qaeda over the course 342 00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:45,902 of a couple of weekends in Pakistan 343 00:17:45,985 --> 00:17:49,151 in August of 1988. 344 00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:52,276 It was a very secretive organization. 345 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,860 They really didn't have very many places to go, 346 00:17:54,944 --> 00:17:57,902 and Afghanistan was one place where bin Laden thought 347 00:17:57,985 --> 00:18:02,151 he could establish al-Qaeda's headquarters. 348 00:18:03,235 --> 00:18:05,902 In '96, I read a State Department report 349 00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:07,193 about bin Laden 350 00:18:07,276 --> 00:18:09,402 saying he's financing Islamic extremism. 351 00:18:09,485 --> 00:18:12,360 He's recruited all of these Arabs from around the world, 352 00:18:12,443 --> 00:18:13,944 and he could be a problem. 353 00:18:14,026 --> 00:18:15,276 So I went to my bosses at CNN. 354 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,568 I said, "Let's try and interview this guy." 355 00:18:17,652 --> 00:18:19,944 You know, this is, like, the hostage video. 356 00:18:20,026 --> 00:18:22,902 Yeah. The hostage video. 357 00:18:22,985 --> 00:18:25,610 ♪♪♪ 358 00:18:25,694 --> 00:18:27,819 There we are. We look almost human. 359 00:18:31,985 --> 00:18:34,902 Speaking native language 360 00:18:43,068 --> 00:18:45,318 No one really paid any attention until 1998, 361 00:18:45,402 --> 00:18:47,735 when al-Qaeda blew up two American embassies 362 00:18:47,819 --> 00:18:49,694 within nine minutes of each other. 363 00:18:49,777 --> 00:18:52,985 Two bombs exploded almost simultaneously today 364 00:18:53,068 --> 00:18:55,610 at the U.S. embassies in the East Africa nations 365 00:18:55,694 --> 00:18:57,235 of Kenya and Tanzania. 366 00:18:57,318 --> 00:18:59,360 U.S. officials say the bombings 367 00:18:59,443 --> 00:19:01,944 have all the fingerprints of Middle East terror. 368 00:19:02,026 --> 00:19:03,402 That is when it became clear 369 00:19:03,485 --> 00:19:04,694 that bin Laden and al-Qaeda 370 00:19:04,777 --> 00:19:06,485 was really a big deal and could... 371 00:19:06,568 --> 00:19:08,735 Not only were spouting all this anti-American rhetoric 372 00:19:08,819 --> 00:19:12,735 but trying to kill, you know, large numbers of Americans. 373 00:19:12,819 --> 00:19:14,944 There is convincing information 374 00:19:15,026 --> 00:19:16,985 from our intelligence community 375 00:19:17,068 --> 00:19:19,068 that the bin Laden terrorist network 376 00:19:19,151 --> 00:19:22,402 was responsible for these bombings. 377 00:19:22,485 --> 00:19:24,276 Bin Laden was constantly moving, 378 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,276 and we were using Afghan tribal networks 379 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,360 to report on his travels and his whereabouts. 380 00:19:31,318 --> 00:19:32,944 Our tribal contacts came to us, 381 00:19:33,026 --> 00:19:35,276 and they said, "Look, he's in this location now. 382 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,902 When he leaves, he's gonna have to go through 383 00:19:37,985 --> 00:19:39,235 this particular crossroads," 384 00:19:39,318 --> 00:19:41,985 and so what they proposed was to bury 385 00:19:42,068 --> 00:19:45,235 a huge cache of explosives underneath those crossroads 386 00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:48,443 so that when his convoy came through, 387 00:19:48,527 --> 00:19:50,360 they could simply blow it up. 388 00:19:50,443 --> 00:19:53,819 And we said, "Absolutely not." 389 00:19:53,902 --> 00:19:57,819 We were risking jail if we didn't tell them that, 390 00:19:57,902 --> 00:20:01,485 because the CIA had a so-called lethal finding 391 00:20:01,568 --> 00:20:03,860 that had been signed by President Clinton 392 00:20:03,944 --> 00:20:06,485 which said that we could engage in 393 00:20:06,568 --> 00:20:09,151 "lethal activity" against bin Laden, 394 00:20:09,235 --> 00:20:13,860 but the purpose of our attack on bin Laden 395 00:20:13,944 --> 00:20:16,360 couldn't be to kill him. 396 00:20:16,443 --> 00:20:19,902 We were being asked to remove this threat 397 00:20:19,985 --> 00:20:22,402 to the United States 398 00:20:22,485 --> 00:20:27,443 essentially with one hand tied behind our backs. 399 00:20:28,944 --> 00:20:31,193 I was a fairly junior officer, 400 00:20:31,276 --> 00:20:33,944 and as al-Qaeda grew into a worldwide presence, 401 00:20:34,026 --> 00:20:35,819 we were very sensitive 402 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,944 and very aware of this growing phenomenon. 403 00:20:40,485 --> 00:20:42,944 It's not like they were playing. 404 00:20:43,026 --> 00:20:45,610 The threat was real. 405 00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:49,527 And if President Clinton had taken action 406 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:51,985 and killed Osama bin Laden, 407 00:20:52,068 --> 00:20:54,235 there wouldn't have been a 9/11. 408 00:20:54,318 --> 00:20:55,419 If there wouldn't have been a 9/11, 409 00:20:55,443 --> 00:20:56,711 there wouldn't have been Afghanistan. 410 00:20:56,735 --> 00:20:58,294 If there wouldn't have been Afghanistan, 411 00:20:58,318 --> 00:21:00,276 there probably wouldn't have been Iraq. 412 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,819 What would the world be like? 413 00:21:02,902 --> 00:21:08,026 ♪♪♪ 414 00:21:11,527 --> 00:21:14,527 It still gets to me, living in our nation's capital 415 00:21:14,610 --> 00:21:17,235 and every building has significance... 416 00:21:19,652 --> 00:21:22,568 especially driving by here. 417 00:21:23,944 --> 00:21:27,026 Something I'll never forget, shaped my whole life. 418 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:32,068 ♪♪♪ 419 00:21:32,151 --> 00:21:35,026 I had finished my first week at Georgetown. 420 00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:38,318 They have a National Security Studies program there. 421 00:21:38,402 --> 00:21:40,777 I was driving around in the area, 422 00:21:40,860 --> 00:21:43,777 getting used to it after that first week, 423 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:46,026 and then a bunch of cars stopped in front of me, 424 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:49,944 and people got out and started screaming and pointing. 425 00:21:50,026 --> 00:21:52,318 The plane had just hit the Pentagon. 426 00:21:52,402 --> 00:21:57,151 ♪♪♪ 427 00:21:57,235 --> 00:21:58,955 When I came to D.C., I actually didn't think 428 00:21:59,026 --> 00:22:01,944 I would stay, 429 00:22:02,026 --> 00:22:05,235 but counterterrorism developed into an entire field 430 00:22:05,318 --> 00:22:08,318 after that day, and I got swept up in it. 431 00:22:08,402 --> 00:22:11,777 ♪♪♪ 432 00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:14,360 On 9/11, it was clear who the enemy was, 433 00:22:14,443 --> 00:22:18,193 and the Bush administration went straight into Afghanistan, 434 00:22:18,276 --> 00:22:19,652 where al-Qaeda was, 435 00:22:19,735 --> 00:22:22,902 where bin Laden was, and tried to attack them, 436 00:22:22,985 --> 00:22:26,360 both for the purpose of responding to 9/11 437 00:22:26,443 --> 00:22:28,985 but also to try to disrupt any planning 438 00:22:29,068 --> 00:22:31,068 that al-Qaeda might have under way 439 00:22:31,151 --> 00:22:32,485 for a follow-on attack. 440 00:22:32,568 --> 00:22:34,193 The Taliban have now made it clear 441 00:22:34,276 --> 00:22:36,902 that they will not bow to American pressure. 442 00:22:36,985 --> 00:22:40,360 At a chaotic press conference at their embassy in Islamabad, 443 00:22:40,443 --> 00:22:42,652 they threatened holy war if attacked 444 00:22:42,735 --> 00:22:45,110 and rejected President Bush's demand 445 00:22:45,193 --> 00:22:47,151 to surrender Osama bin Laden. 446 00:22:47,235 --> 00:22:49,402 Are you willing to hand Osama bin Laden 447 00:22:49,485 --> 00:22:50,819 to the United States or not? 448 00:22:50,902 --> 00:22:52,151 No, no, no, no. 449 00:22:53,902 --> 00:22:55,151 Well, for the Taliban, 450 00:22:55,235 --> 00:22:57,694 there was an opportunity for them to distance, 451 00:22:57,777 --> 00:23:01,318 uh, the movement from these groups and individuals, 452 00:23:01,402 --> 00:23:03,068 and we were hoping they wouldn't, 453 00:23:03,151 --> 00:23:06,568 because, uh, for us, it was an opportunity 454 00:23:06,652 --> 00:23:10,610 to actually rid Afghanistan of the Taliban. 455 00:23:10,694 --> 00:23:14,485 And as we expected, they stuck to their guns, 456 00:23:14,568 --> 00:23:18,652 and they did not in any way compromise, 457 00:23:18,735 --> 00:23:21,402 and that was the beginning of the end for them, 458 00:23:21,485 --> 00:23:22,944 at least in that period. 459 00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:27,360 When 9/11 happened, they called me in. 460 00:23:27,443 --> 00:23:29,419 Basically, they said, "Will you take the first team in? 461 00:23:29,443 --> 00:23:31,694 We got to... we want to put a team together." 462 00:23:31,777 --> 00:23:32,944 I said, "Oh, God, 463 00:23:33,026 --> 00:23:34,906 everybody in the United States wants to do this, 464 00:23:34,944 --> 00:23:36,860 and they're giving me the job, 465 00:23:36,944 --> 00:23:39,110 be the first people to hit back at bin Laden?" 466 00:23:39,193 --> 00:23:41,151 I said, "Yeah, better believe it." 467 00:23:42,819 --> 00:23:44,777 When I entered, you know, I had my orders. 468 00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:47,694 I had an operational directive to execute on the ground. 469 00:23:47,777 --> 00:23:51,777 Number one, destroy the Taliban because they're in the way. 470 00:23:51,860 --> 00:23:54,402 We have to get at al-Qaeda. 471 00:23:54,485 --> 00:23:57,860 Number two, kill every member of al-Qaeda 472 00:23:57,944 --> 00:24:00,819 that you can find on the battlefield. 473 00:24:00,902 --> 00:24:04,735 Number three, find and kill bin Laden. 474 00:24:04,819 --> 00:24:09,694 ♪♪♪ 475 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:13,151 Well, when we left, 476 00:24:13,235 --> 00:24:14,670 chief of Counterterrorism Center said... 477 00:24:14,694 --> 00:24:17,276 We met him on the morning we were getting ready to leave, 478 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,276 and he said, "I'm gonna give you your orders now. 479 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,235 Once the Northern Alliance is ready 480 00:24:22,318 --> 00:24:25,360 and they go into Kabul, we want you and your team 481 00:24:25,443 --> 00:24:26,735 to go in with them 482 00:24:26,819 --> 00:24:29,276 and capture bin Laden and his lieutenants. 483 00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:33,568 Then what I want you to do is, when you capture those guys, 484 00:24:33,652 --> 00:24:36,235 I want you to cut their heads off, 485 00:24:36,318 --> 00:24:39,360 and the lieutenants, I want you to put their heads on pikes 486 00:24:39,443 --> 00:24:41,568 and display them and photograph them, 487 00:24:41,652 --> 00:24:43,819 and bin Laden, I want you to take his head 488 00:24:43,902 --> 00:24:46,819 and put it on dry ice in a box and ship it back, 489 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:49,360 so I'm gonna take it to the president to see." 490 00:24:49,443 --> 00:24:51,193 So I look at the deputy. 491 00:24:51,276 --> 00:24:54,402 He looks at me, and I-I'm saying, 492 00:24:54,485 --> 00:24:56,944 "Is this guy serious?" 493 00:24:57,026 --> 00:25:01,944 I said, "Okay, maybe we could cut off their heads. 494 00:25:02,026 --> 00:25:03,110 Maybe. I don't know." 495 00:25:03,193 --> 00:25:05,944 I said, "I doubt it, but maybe we could." 496 00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:08,985 I said, "And we can certainly make pikes out in the field. 497 00:25:09,068 --> 00:25:10,360 You know, that's not hard." 498 00:25:10,443 --> 00:25:12,083 I said, "But where am I gonna find dry ice 499 00:25:12,151 --> 00:25:13,276 in Afghanistan?" 500 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:18,235 ♪♪♪ 501 00:25:18,318 --> 00:25:19,443 Vice President Cheney 502 00:25:19,527 --> 00:25:22,235 said fairly soon after the attacks, 503 00:25:22,318 --> 00:25:24,777 "We're gonna go over to the dark side." 504 00:25:24,860 --> 00:25:26,860 And, historically, when presidents have wanted 505 00:25:26,944 --> 00:25:30,235 to go over to the dark side, they've asked the CIA to do it. 506 00:25:32,026 --> 00:25:33,777 A lot of what needs to be done here 507 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:37,026 will have to be done quietly without any discussion, 508 00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:38,860 using sources and methods, uh, 509 00:25:38,944 --> 00:25:41,652 that are available to our intelligence agencies. 510 00:25:52,026 --> 00:25:54,860 The first trip I took was in 1994, 511 00:25:54,944 --> 00:25:57,485 Human Rights Watch. 512 00:25:57,568 --> 00:25:58,944 The war had continued. 513 00:25:59,026 --> 00:26:00,711 The Soviets had gone, but the war was continuing, 514 00:26:00,735 --> 00:26:03,360 which was sort of... Came to be the story 515 00:26:03,443 --> 00:26:05,735 over the many years I went to Afghanistan. 516 00:26:05,819 --> 00:26:08,026 Despite whatever political changes happened, 517 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:11,694 the war almost had a life of its own and continued. 518 00:26:15,151 --> 00:26:19,985 The first boots on the ground after 9/11 were the CIA, 519 00:26:20,068 --> 00:26:23,276 and very quickly, they began working with 520 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,360 and bolstering militia groups to work with, 521 00:26:26,443 --> 00:26:29,527 and those groups were designed, 522 00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:31,235 recruited, and trained 523 00:26:31,318 --> 00:26:36,151 to go after leading al-Qaeda or Taliban figures. 524 00:26:37,985 --> 00:26:42,110 The CIA was transformed as an institution by 9/11. 525 00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:46,276 Out of that came the, uh, structure 526 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,068 that is now notorious... 527 00:26:49,151 --> 00:26:52,694 the black sites, the enhanced interrogation techniques, 528 00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:56,235 the waterboarding, and the rest. 529 00:26:56,318 --> 00:26:59,193 When I joined the agency in the 1980s, 530 00:26:59,276 --> 00:27:02,735 only the bad guys used those techniques on us. 531 00:27:02,819 --> 00:27:04,193 Unlike the FBI, 532 00:27:04,276 --> 00:27:09,068 the agency really did not have any skill in interrogation, 533 00:27:09,151 --> 00:27:11,985 especially hostile interrogation. 534 00:27:12,068 --> 00:27:13,860 That was something new. 535 00:27:15,193 --> 00:27:16,568 I can honestly say 536 00:27:16,652 --> 00:27:19,527 I know what attacks were stopped. 537 00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:21,443 I know how hard the folks worked, 538 00:27:21,527 --> 00:27:23,276 and I also know they weren't emotional. 539 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,151 People weren't having fun waterboarding people. 540 00:27:26,235 --> 00:27:27,527 I would never say 541 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:30,110 that I am in support of torture 542 00:27:30,193 --> 00:27:32,694 or anything in that regard, 543 00:27:32,777 --> 00:27:36,568 but there was definitely a push technically 544 00:27:36,652 --> 00:27:38,026 and in human intelligence 545 00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:40,735 to get as much information as possible, 546 00:27:40,819 --> 00:27:42,944 and you have to put yourself back 547 00:27:43,026 --> 00:27:45,860 in that particular time in history. 548 00:27:51,694 --> 00:27:53,443 When I think about... 549 00:27:53,527 --> 00:27:54,777 when I think about the kids 550 00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:57,694 and the-and the-and the- and the women and children 551 00:27:57,777 --> 00:27:59,527 and good Americans who are still alive 552 00:27:59,610 --> 00:28:01,485 because of what we did, you know what I say? 553 00:28:01,568 --> 00:28:03,902 I say, "Fuck history. 554 00:28:03,985 --> 00:28:05,902 Fuck history." 555 00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:10,318 As far as that program, I slept good at night. 556 00:28:10,402 --> 00:28:11,527 I did a briefing on it 557 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:14,193 for all the ambassadors in Kabul, 558 00:28:14,276 --> 00:28:15,777 and I had said 559 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:17,985 that the torture that had been described 560 00:28:18,068 --> 00:28:21,276 by people who had investigated the secret detentions, 561 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,360 the salt pit, the case of people being left out, 562 00:28:24,443 --> 00:28:27,694 dying of hypothermia, and the rest of it, 563 00:28:27,777 --> 00:28:30,151 these kinds of torture and secret detentions 564 00:28:30,235 --> 00:28:32,026 had been known in the Soviet times. 565 00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:35,568 It was shocking for them to be coming up again 566 00:28:35,652 --> 00:28:38,235 in post-2001 Afghanistan. 567 00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:41,193 The Americans didn't come to the briefing, 568 00:28:41,276 --> 00:28:43,193 but they came immediately afterwards 569 00:28:43,276 --> 00:28:44,735 and wanted to see me. 570 00:28:44,819 --> 00:28:46,527 When I was approached by one of them, 571 00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:50,985 he was so angry, he was shaking. 572 00:28:51,068 --> 00:28:55,193 The very fact I dared compare those abuses 573 00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:57,485 to what had happened with the Soviets 574 00:28:57,568 --> 00:28:59,485 had infuriated him, 575 00:28:59,568 --> 00:29:02,026 and I'm just like... That's what infuriated him, 576 00:29:02,110 --> 00:29:03,985 not the fact that they happened 577 00:29:04,068 --> 00:29:06,819 but that I had made a comparison with the Soviets. 578 00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:11,360 The way the-that war has been fought, 579 00:29:11,443 --> 00:29:13,360 the counterterrorism war, 580 00:29:13,443 --> 00:29:16,443 it's largely shaped where we are today. 581 00:29:16,527 --> 00:29:19,777 It was always the CIA's war. 582 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:23,360 It was in the '80s, the '90s, and it was after 2001. 583 00:29:23,443 --> 00:29:28,193 ♪♪♪ 584 00:29:28,276 --> 00:29:30,527 We enter Kabul. It's 12 November. 585 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:32,110 I know bin Laden's fled. 586 00:29:32,193 --> 00:29:33,985 Watch bin Laden move south, 587 00:29:34,068 --> 00:29:35,819 which was down to Tora Bora, 588 00:29:35,902 --> 00:29:37,735 and then pursued right away. 589 00:29:38,694 --> 00:29:41,568 Tora Bora is a very remote mountainous part of Afghanistan 590 00:29:41,652 --> 00:29:43,235 on the border with Pakistan. 591 00:29:43,318 --> 00:29:45,110 It's an area that he knew very well. 592 00:29:45,193 --> 00:29:47,235 He'd been going through that area during the '80s, 593 00:29:47,318 --> 00:29:48,568 fighting the Soviets. 594 00:29:48,652 --> 00:29:50,944 It's an area... He liked being there. 595 00:29:51,026 --> 00:29:52,860 He, uh... he had, like, a vacation home there, 596 00:29:52,944 --> 00:29:56,068 which wouldn't be my first choice of vacation spot. 597 00:29:56,151 --> 00:29:57,360 We knew that bin Laden 598 00:29:57,443 --> 00:29:59,243 was moving with a group of about 1,000 people. 599 00:29:59,276 --> 00:30:01,169 Right away they said, "Okay, we're gonna go pursue him." 600 00:30:01,193 --> 00:30:04,360 I said, "Do it. Send them in." We go up. 601 00:30:04,443 --> 00:30:07,360 They get up on top of a promontory mountain piece, 602 00:30:07,443 --> 00:30:08,652 and then down below, 603 00:30:08,735 --> 00:30:10,610 there's bin Laden and his huge element. 604 00:30:10,694 --> 00:30:12,235 Our team had a SOFLAM, 605 00:30:12,318 --> 00:30:15,276 Special Operations Forces Laser Acquisition Mechanism, 606 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,735 which allowed them to target 607 00:30:16,819 --> 00:30:20,527 and do 56 hours of air strikes 608 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:22,735 and just hammer them. 609 00:30:24,276 --> 00:30:26,985 We bombed the bejesus out of the place. 610 00:30:27,068 --> 00:30:28,777 We destroyed most of their gear, 611 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:30,002 their radios, their vehicles. 612 00:30:30,026 --> 00:30:32,151 They had tanks. They had all sorts of stuff. 613 00:30:32,235 --> 00:30:34,402 They were trying to get up into position. 614 00:30:34,485 --> 00:30:36,586 We wrecked it all on the ground before they could get up there 615 00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:38,110 and killed a bunch of them. 616 00:30:38,193 --> 00:30:40,527 Bin Laden wrote his will at Tora Bora. 617 00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:43,110 He thought he was gonna die. 618 00:30:43,193 --> 00:30:45,068 He thought this was the end. 619 00:30:45,151 --> 00:30:49,568 ♪♪♪ 620 00:30:49,652 --> 00:30:51,235 But it wasn't. 621 00:30:51,318 --> 00:30:54,151 ♪♪♪ 622 00:30:54,235 --> 00:30:56,151 So, after our guys go up, do the bombing, 623 00:30:56,235 --> 00:30:58,819 the initial bombing, that first four guys come out, 624 00:30:58,902 --> 00:31:00,878 and one of those guys had been a former Delta Force guy, 625 00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:04,485 have him brought right back. 626 00:31:04,568 --> 00:31:05,878 He's the one that says to me, "Gary, 627 00:31:05,902 --> 00:31:08,735 we are going to need U.S. forces." 628 00:31:08,819 --> 00:31:11,652 ♪♪♪ 629 00:31:11,735 --> 00:31:14,985 The CIA requested 800 Rangers, 630 00:31:15,068 --> 00:31:17,402 but that request was turned down by the U.S. Army. 631 00:31:17,485 --> 00:31:19,777 ♪♪♪ 632 00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:22,568 What Gary Brunson was arguing for, I think, 633 00:31:22,652 --> 00:31:25,360 were very large numbers of troops, uh, 634 00:31:25,443 --> 00:31:27,402 to go into the valleys, 635 00:31:27,485 --> 00:31:29,944 and, frankly, I-I thought that much of what he was advocating 636 00:31:30,026 --> 00:31:32,026 at the time was not gonna be effective. 637 00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:34,652 Gary probably had a little bit more enthusiasm than judgment. 638 00:31:34,735 --> 00:31:37,527 ♪♪♪ 639 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:40,068 That's bullshit. 640 00:31:40,151 --> 00:31:42,235 They weren't accustomed to having to make decisions 641 00:31:42,318 --> 00:31:44,694 as rapidly as I was forcing 642 00:31:44,777 --> 00:31:47,276 because I knew the enemy was going to escape. 643 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,777 I didn't have a choice. 644 00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:52,944 ♪♪♪ 645 00:31:53,026 --> 00:31:55,443 On the 16th of December, 646 00:31:55,527 --> 00:31:59,485 bin Laden and his-his-his guys left the mountains. 647 00:31:59,568 --> 00:32:02,485 ♪♪♪ 648 00:32:02,568 --> 00:32:05,235 They just walked across into Pakistan. 649 00:32:05,318 --> 00:32:08,193 They got on motorcycles and just headed out, 650 00:32:08,276 --> 00:32:11,819 and it took us all those years later before we found him. 651 00:32:11,902 --> 00:32:17,026 ♪♪♪ 652 00:32:22,944 --> 00:32:25,568 We were building the country. 653 00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:28,151 We were training the Afghan military. 654 00:32:28,235 --> 00:32:30,318 We were paying for building of facilities 655 00:32:30,402 --> 00:32:32,026 with the U.S. military. 656 00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:33,628 We had turned it over to State Department and say, 657 00:32:33,652 --> 00:32:35,360 "Okay, now you build a new nation. 658 00:32:35,443 --> 00:32:38,318 You teach them democracy, how do they handle elections. 659 00:32:38,402 --> 00:32:40,610 Do all that stuff." 660 00:32:40,694 --> 00:32:42,151 As things progressed, 661 00:32:42,235 --> 00:32:44,694 it was a dream come true, 662 00:32:44,777 --> 00:32:46,985 and it was hard to believe 663 00:32:47,068 --> 00:32:49,527 that we had got a second chance to live. 664 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:52,318 ♪♪♪ 665 00:32:52,402 --> 00:32:56,068 That was when I really explored the country. 666 00:32:56,151 --> 00:32:57,819 That was when I started 667 00:32:57,902 --> 00:33:01,860 not only to travel to every corner of Kabul 668 00:33:01,944 --> 00:33:05,276 but also to over 15 provinces. 669 00:33:06,235 --> 00:33:08,193 It was a utopia. 670 00:33:09,985 --> 00:33:12,110 My first trip over to Afghanistan 671 00:33:12,193 --> 00:33:14,694 was in January of 2002. 672 00:33:16,443 --> 00:33:19,110 There's a reason that most of the, like, correspondents 673 00:33:19,193 --> 00:33:22,276 that came up during that time were women. 674 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,860 Men had a very hard time, 675 00:33:23,944 --> 00:33:25,610 particularly in the early days, 676 00:33:25,694 --> 00:33:26,860 doing stories about women, 677 00:33:26,944 --> 00:33:28,860 and women were a fascinating story 678 00:33:28,944 --> 00:33:31,985 and an important story in Afghanistan. 679 00:33:33,735 --> 00:33:35,985 My first stories in Afghanistan 680 00:33:36,068 --> 00:33:37,944 were about what life had been like 681 00:33:38,026 --> 00:33:39,610 for the women under the Taliban 682 00:33:39,694 --> 00:33:42,527 because they were finally able to speak freely. 683 00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:45,151 ♪♪♪ 684 00:33:45,235 --> 00:33:47,527 There were women who had been forcibly married 685 00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:49,819 to the Taliban. 686 00:33:49,902 --> 00:33:52,527 There were teachers and doctors and young women 687 00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:54,276 who had grown up 688 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,110 during those five years of not being free at all. 689 00:33:59,402 --> 00:34:04,110 As people finally had access to the outside world, 690 00:34:04,193 --> 00:34:06,235 the culture was changing before our very eyes. 691 00:34:06,318 --> 00:34:11,276 ♪♪♪ 692 00:34:15,235 --> 00:34:17,652 I left Afghanistan when I was 12. 693 00:34:17,735 --> 00:34:21,235 I had not been to the country for a very long time. 694 00:34:21,318 --> 00:34:23,235 But the need to come back, uh, 695 00:34:23,318 --> 00:34:25,318 was very strong for not just me 696 00:34:25,402 --> 00:34:27,902 but for a lot of other Afghans. 697 00:34:27,985 --> 00:34:29,902 I was a banker, and my brother was a lawyer, 698 00:34:29,985 --> 00:34:31,902 and the other brother was a finance person, 699 00:34:31,985 --> 00:34:35,527 and our sister was a marketing person. 700 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:37,360 And in 2002, 701 00:34:37,443 --> 00:34:39,443 we secured the first private license 702 00:34:39,527 --> 00:34:41,318 for a radio station. 703 00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:46,568 Speaking native language 704 00:34:51,318 --> 00:34:54,318 ♪♪♪ 705 00:34:54,402 --> 00:34:56,193 It was about music. It was about jokes. 706 00:34:56,276 --> 00:35:00,068 It was men and women just having a conversation. 707 00:35:00,151 --> 00:35:02,902 ♪♪♪ 708 00:35:02,985 --> 00:35:06,610 But it's ironic that... 709 00:35:06,694 --> 00:35:09,360 how many people are enemies of fun. 710 00:35:09,443 --> 00:35:11,777 The conservatives at the time, 711 00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:14,902 they were very suspicious. 712 00:35:14,985 --> 00:35:18,568 We're a bunch of young people in this house, basically, 713 00:35:18,652 --> 00:35:21,360 no security whatsoever, 714 00:35:21,443 --> 00:35:24,110 and people would literally knock on our doors and say, 715 00:35:24,193 --> 00:35:26,068 "We hate you guys." 716 00:35:26,151 --> 00:35:28,694 But so the radio was a success, 717 00:35:28,777 --> 00:35:30,735 and we thought the natural progression 718 00:35:30,819 --> 00:35:33,694 would be to launch a television station. 719 00:35:33,777 --> 00:35:36,735 Speaking native language 720 00:35:37,944 --> 00:35:41,193 speaking native language 721 00:35:43,902 --> 00:35:46,193 We saw the good news on day one, 722 00:35:46,276 --> 00:35:48,402 and we came up with all sorts of programs 723 00:35:48,485 --> 00:35:49,985 that we could produce quickly. 724 00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:55,777 And then we started to do really big stuff, 725 00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:58,985 like the Idol format with Afghan Star. 726 00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:02,026 ♪ Upbeat rock music ♪ 727 00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:06,026 singing in native language 728 00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:10,110 speaking native language 729 00:36:11,610 --> 00:36:12,819 When we first launched, 730 00:36:12,902 --> 00:36:15,568 this whole idea of voting for a winner, 731 00:36:15,652 --> 00:36:18,235 they couldn't believe that we would stick to our principles 732 00:36:18,318 --> 00:36:21,944 in terms of, like, counting people's text messages. 733 00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:24,985 But what was extraordinary 734 00:36:25,068 --> 00:36:27,944 was how quickly people accepted it. 735 00:36:29,777 --> 00:36:31,568 That's what's interesting with the media. 736 00:36:31,652 --> 00:36:35,402 We just give people sort of a glimpse of what's possible. 737 00:36:37,985 --> 00:36:39,985 This weekend in Afghanistan, 738 00:36:40,068 --> 00:36:43,193 the voice of the people was finally heard. 739 00:36:43,276 --> 00:36:45,026 Precious ballots from Afghanistan's 740 00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:48,443 only presidential election in 5,000 years 741 00:36:48,527 --> 00:36:50,819 poured into counting centers around the country. 742 00:36:52,902 --> 00:36:54,336 There hasn't been a presidential election 743 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,652 in the United States since 1900 where 70 percent 744 00:36:56,735 --> 00:36:59,902 of the population able to vote voted. 745 00:36:59,985 --> 00:37:02,402 ♪ Soft music ♪ 746 00:37:02,485 --> 00:37:04,235 I went to villages and schools 747 00:37:04,318 --> 00:37:05,527 where people were voting, 748 00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:09,610 and the feeling in those rooms 749 00:37:09,694 --> 00:37:13,235 was one of pride and hope 750 00:37:13,318 --> 00:37:18,193 and belief that things were getting better 751 00:37:18,276 --> 00:37:21,860 and that the system that was being created 752 00:37:21,944 --> 00:37:23,735 would help the country. 753 00:37:26,443 --> 00:37:29,485 The Afghan people, by coming out and voting, 754 00:37:29,568 --> 00:37:32,860 have given the last 755 00:37:32,944 --> 00:37:35,318 defeat to terrorism. 756 00:37:36,068 --> 00:37:38,235 The tyranny is gone, 757 00:37:38,318 --> 00:37:40,402 the terrorist enemy is scattered, 758 00:37:40,485 --> 00:37:43,402 and the people of Afghanistan are free. 759 00:37:44,985 --> 00:37:48,193 I thought, "If things keep on like this, 760 00:37:48,276 --> 00:37:51,026 we can win this in a couple of years." 761 00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:56,235 ♪♪♪ 762 00:38:04,568 --> 00:38:06,068 All the books you see here 763 00:38:06,151 --> 00:38:07,944 are about special operations missions, 764 00:38:08,026 --> 00:38:09,902 and they don't always go well. 765 00:38:09,985 --> 00:38:11,705 Uh, you know, when I think about Desert One, 766 00:38:11,735 --> 00:38:12,735 it didn't go well. 767 00:38:12,819 --> 00:38:14,252 When I think about a lot of these, uh, books 768 00:38:14,276 --> 00:38:16,026 that are here on World War II missions, 769 00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:17,360 they didn't go well. 770 00:38:17,443 --> 00:38:21,527 So I actually drew on a lot of the lessons 771 00:38:21,610 --> 00:38:24,110 because I wanted to make sure whatever plan 772 00:38:24,193 --> 00:38:27,944 that I constructed for the mission took into account, 773 00:38:28,026 --> 00:38:30,610 you know, the successes and why we were successful 774 00:38:30,694 --> 00:38:32,193 and-and, frankly, the failures 775 00:38:32,276 --> 00:38:34,068 and how we avoid those failures. 776 00:38:38,026 --> 00:38:39,485 I was sent overseas to run 777 00:38:39,568 --> 00:38:42,944 the Special Operations Task Force in Afghanistan, 778 00:38:43,026 --> 00:38:44,610 and from a military standpoint, 779 00:38:44,694 --> 00:38:48,318 Afghanistan appeared to be kind of in a caretaker status. 780 00:38:48,402 --> 00:38:49,777 Please. 781 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,360 We clearly have moved to a period of stability 782 00:38:53,443 --> 00:38:56,318 and stabilization and reconstruction. 783 00:38:56,402 --> 00:39:00,360 So we shifted our focus in 2003 784 00:39:00,443 --> 00:39:02,485 as we began the invasion of Iraq. 785 00:39:04,235 --> 00:39:06,568 - Jesus! - Whoo! 786 00:39:08,985 --> 00:39:13,485 Big tanks, big toys, 787 00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:16,151 that was the new war, 788 00:39:16,235 --> 00:39:18,235 and our allies became confused at, 789 00:39:18,318 --> 00:39:20,402 what were our real objectives? 790 00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:24,443 We will stay on task until we've achieved our objective, 791 00:39:24,527 --> 00:39:28,151 which is to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. 792 00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:29,777 "What? 793 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:32,819 They haven't hurt you. Saddam hasn't hurt you. 794 00:39:32,902 --> 00:39:36,985 He doesn't like al-Qaeda. There's not al-Qaeda in Iraq." 795 00:39:37,068 --> 00:39:39,151 Whoa! 796 00:39:39,235 --> 00:39:40,819 I was called into a meeting 797 00:39:40,902 --> 00:39:42,318 with the CIA director, 798 00:39:42,402 --> 00:39:43,694 and he told me that he wanted me 799 00:39:43,777 --> 00:39:46,610 to head up the CIA effort in Iraq. 800 00:39:46,694 --> 00:39:49,985 And the most, uh, experienced senior officers 801 00:39:50,068 --> 00:39:52,110 who were in a position, you know, to deal 802 00:39:52,193 --> 00:39:53,735 at a political level, uh, 803 00:39:53,819 --> 00:39:56,235 very quickly left, uh, the Afghan theater. 804 00:39:56,318 --> 00:39:59,068 We're worried about terrorism, and next thing, we wake up, 805 00:39:59,151 --> 00:40:02,193 and-and resources are gone. 806 00:40:02,276 --> 00:40:06,026 ♪ Dramatic music ♪ 807 00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:07,419 When I was in the State Department 808 00:40:07,443 --> 00:40:08,735 Counterterrorism Bureau, 809 00:40:08,819 --> 00:40:12,443 the most important resource that was in short supply 810 00:40:12,527 --> 00:40:16,068 was policy-maker attention, 811 00:40:16,151 --> 00:40:18,068 and I said, "We actually have to focus 812 00:40:18,151 --> 00:40:20,193 on local-level governance, 813 00:40:20,276 --> 00:40:23,360 reforming the Afghan corruption system, 814 00:40:23,443 --> 00:40:25,318 and giving the Afghan military 815 00:40:25,402 --> 00:40:29,902 a series of really basic capabilities," 816 00:40:29,985 --> 00:40:33,235 because by that point, we were so sucked into the war in Iraq 817 00:40:33,318 --> 00:40:36,735 that we just didn't have the bandwidth to deal with it. 818 00:40:36,819 --> 00:40:39,402 Yelling in native language 819 00:40:39,485 --> 00:40:41,735 And the Taliban in Pakistan 820 00:40:41,819 --> 00:40:44,568 and their cell groups in Afghanistan 821 00:40:44,652 --> 00:40:46,318 began to exploit that. 822 00:40:46,402 --> 00:40:51,527 ♪♪♪ 823 00:40:59,652 --> 00:41:02,568 I, uh, was involved in some of the early, 824 00:41:02,652 --> 00:41:06,026 early stages of talking with the Taliban 825 00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:10,151 about how to ensure that they didn't join an insurgency. 826 00:41:10,235 --> 00:41:12,193 They actually found some way of reconciling 827 00:41:12,276 --> 00:41:13,944 with the new regime. 828 00:41:14,026 --> 00:41:15,711 I mean, it happened, like, in my sitting room 829 00:41:15,735 --> 00:41:17,527 in, you know, the house in Islamabad, um, 830 00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:19,694 you know, friendly discussions. 831 00:41:22,652 --> 00:41:25,944 Speaking native language 832 00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:29,652 My ability to talk with Taliban today 833 00:41:29,735 --> 00:41:33,276 is based upon actions which I have taken every day 834 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,819 since I crossed over the border in '89. 835 00:41:36,902 --> 00:41:38,735 They can check my reputation, 836 00:41:38,819 --> 00:41:40,652 work out how discreet I am, 837 00:41:40,735 --> 00:41:43,360 and reckon if I am duplicitous, 838 00:41:43,443 --> 00:41:44,944 and I'm sort of, like, doing the same 839 00:41:45,026 --> 00:41:46,443 when I'm talking with them, 840 00:41:46,527 --> 00:41:48,985 because, um, one w-one way or another, 841 00:41:49,068 --> 00:41:51,485 both sides of the relationship have got to trust each other 842 00:41:51,568 --> 00:41:53,193 to be able to-to go forward. 843 00:41:53,276 --> 00:41:56,193 ♪♪♪ 844 00:41:56,276 --> 00:41:58,527 In the wake of 9/11, 845 00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:02,819 the Taliban leadership wanted surrender terms 846 00:42:02,902 --> 00:42:06,318 to live respectably in their homes, 847 00:42:06,402 --> 00:42:09,568 recognizing the authority of the new government 848 00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:11,902 which had been imposed by the Americans. 849 00:42:13,819 --> 00:42:17,652 Those terms were available. They were torn up. 850 00:42:19,193 --> 00:42:22,819 Instead we got increasingly stories of Taliban 851 00:42:22,902 --> 00:42:25,318 who'd tried to go home to their villages in Afghanistan 852 00:42:25,402 --> 00:42:27,819 either getting arrested or giving up, 853 00:42:27,902 --> 00:42:29,110 crossing the border, 854 00:42:29,193 --> 00:42:30,777 going over to-to Pakistan 855 00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:32,652 ready for the next chapter. 856 00:42:32,735 --> 00:42:37,193 ♪♪♪ 857 00:42:37,276 --> 00:42:41,902 The Taliban start to reform the organization, uh, 858 00:42:41,985 --> 00:42:45,527 saying that, "We have been excluded from this new setup. 859 00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:47,026 We're gonna have another go." 860 00:42:47,110 --> 00:42:49,860 Tonight Frontline reports 861 00:42:49,944 --> 00:42:53,110 on the return of the Taliban. 862 00:42:56,235 --> 00:43:00,610 ♪♪♪ 863 00:43:00,694 --> 00:43:02,568 There's some, uh, ICOM chatter saying 864 00:43:02,652 --> 00:43:05,276 that the Taliban are looking at us right now. 865 00:43:09,193 --> 00:43:12,193 ♪ Somber music ♪ 866 00:43:12,276 --> 00:43:15,485 ♪♪♪ 867 00:43:15,568 --> 00:43:18,819 speaking native language 868 00:43:24,151 --> 00:43:27,151 speaking native language 869 00:43:29,276 --> 00:43:34,151 ♪♪♪ 870 00:43:44,819 --> 00:43:46,568 For Americans, 871 00:43:46,652 --> 00:43:50,443 the original story of this long war 872 00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:53,360 was we were saviors. 873 00:43:53,443 --> 00:43:57,360 ♪♪♪ 874 00:43:57,443 --> 00:44:01,819 We had gone in and done a good thing... 875 00:44:01,902 --> 00:44:06,026 and people were ecstatic to be free again. 876 00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:10,944 But the reality is, I don't think 877 00:44:11,026 --> 00:44:15,318 it was ever as clean as we wanted to believe. 878 00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:19,276 ♪♪♪ 879 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,902 The first inflection point that I noticed 880 00:44:21,985 --> 00:44:23,610 happened in May 2006 881 00:44:23,694 --> 00:44:27,568 when a U.S. military convoy crashed into a crowd of people, 882 00:44:27,652 --> 00:44:30,068 and they killed about 14 people. 883 00:44:33,151 --> 00:44:38,068 ♪♪♪ 884 00:44:53,527 --> 00:44:56,443 Speaking native language 885 00:45:00,735 --> 00:45:04,985 ♪♪♪ 886 00:45:09,151 --> 00:45:10,735 People in these crowds 887 00:45:10,819 --> 00:45:15,318 were shouting angry anti-American slogans, 888 00:45:15,402 --> 00:45:16,985 and I went, "What? 889 00:45:17,068 --> 00:45:18,485 What has happened here?" 890 00:45:18,568 --> 00:45:22,777 ♪♪♪ 891 00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:25,235 That was the first time I realized 892 00:45:25,318 --> 00:45:26,985 that there was as much resentment 893 00:45:27,068 --> 00:45:28,902 against the international presence 894 00:45:28,985 --> 00:45:31,276 as there was gratitude or hope. 895 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,485 ♪♪♪ 896 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:40,068 There was this building resentment 897 00:45:40,151 --> 00:45:43,443 that Afghans had against corruption 898 00:45:43,527 --> 00:45:45,026 and civilian casualties, 899 00:45:45,110 --> 00:45:48,568 and both of those could be tied directly back to America. 900 00:45:48,652 --> 00:45:50,610 We were pouring in so much money 901 00:45:50,694 --> 00:45:52,276 that corruption was all but inevitable 902 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,860 with no checks and balances, 903 00:45:53,944 --> 00:45:55,694 and then with civilian casualties, 904 00:45:55,777 --> 00:45:58,819 let's just say any civilian casualty in general, 905 00:45:58,902 --> 00:46:00,336 the Taliban would immediately put out 906 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,735 press releases locally saying, 907 00:46:01,819 --> 00:46:04,485 "This is America doing this to you." 908 00:46:06,318 --> 00:46:08,527 They'd make up things, and it was very effective. 909 00:46:15,777 --> 00:46:17,777 Well, today's riots showing just how fragile 910 00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:19,985 our relationship is with Afghanistan, 911 00:46:20,068 --> 00:46:22,068 a key player in the War on Terror. 912 00:46:22,151 --> 00:46:24,944 Now, is it just a small group of troublemakers at work here, 913 00:46:25,026 --> 00:46:28,151 or are the Afghan people simply ungrateful? 914 00:46:28,235 --> 00:46:32,026 ♪♪♪ 915 00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:34,902 Afghans have this streak of defiance 916 00:46:34,985 --> 00:46:37,318 against the world because of history. 917 00:46:38,527 --> 00:46:40,276 There was the Russians and the fact 918 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,944 that the Americans had abandoned Afghanistan before. 919 00:46:46,026 --> 00:46:48,777 There's always in the back of the minds of Afghans 920 00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:52,235 that-that suspicion of ulterior motives. 921 00:46:52,318 --> 00:46:55,902 ♪♪♪ 922 00:46:55,985 --> 00:46:58,568 United States got distracted, 923 00:46:58,652 --> 00:47:00,110 and they wanted to show 924 00:47:00,193 --> 00:47:03,777 that Afghanistan was still this good story working 925 00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:06,068 and it is rosy, 926 00:47:06,151 --> 00:47:08,026 and they were not... 927 00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:10,985 they were not listening to us, you know? 928 00:47:11,068 --> 00:47:13,276 ♪♪♪ 929 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,735 I had great misgivings 930 00:47:15,819 --> 00:47:18,527 because I felt that the CIA 931 00:47:18,610 --> 00:47:20,026 needed to stay engaged 932 00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:23,527 with key political players inside Afghanistan, 933 00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:25,402 but I could see very quickly 934 00:47:25,485 --> 00:47:29,902 that there was very little appetite, uh, for doing that. 935 00:47:29,985 --> 00:47:31,652 It's not that we didn't know Afghanistan 936 00:47:31,735 --> 00:47:34,110 was going badly after that. 937 00:47:34,193 --> 00:47:36,193 We did, but we couldn't do anything about it, 938 00:47:36,276 --> 00:47:39,694 because by the time Iraq started to go bad, 939 00:47:39,777 --> 00:47:40,961 Afghanistan was also going bad, 940 00:47:40,985 --> 00:47:43,985 and we were caught in a war in two fronts 941 00:47:44,068 --> 00:47:46,402 without the resources to deal with both. 942 00:47:46,485 --> 00:47:51,610 ♪♪♪ 943 00:47:57,276 --> 00:47:59,485 America's men and women in uniform 944 00:47:59,568 --> 00:48:02,819 took away al-Qaeda's safe haven in Afghanistan, 945 00:48:02,902 --> 00:48:06,151 and we will not allow them to reestablish it in Iraq. 946 00:48:06,235 --> 00:48:07,902 So I have committed more than 20,000 947 00:48:07,985 --> 00:48:10,151 additional American troops to Iraq. 948 00:48:10,235 --> 00:48:11,985 The agreement lays out a framework 949 00:48:12,068 --> 00:48:14,735 for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq, 950 00:48:14,819 --> 00:48:16,652 a withdrawal that is possible 951 00:48:16,735 --> 00:48:18,777 because of the success of the surge. 952 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:22,110 Yelling in foreign language 953 00:48:24,777 --> 00:48:27,777 While Iraq has dominated the headlines, 954 00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:30,360 the less-publicized fight in Afghanistan 955 00:48:30,443 --> 00:48:32,068 has intensified. 956 00:48:32,777 --> 00:48:36,026 My fellow citizens, our nation is at war 957 00:48:36,110 --> 00:48:39,819 against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred, 958 00:48:39,902 --> 00:48:42,276 and for those who seek to advance their aims 959 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,568 by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, 960 00:48:45,652 --> 00:48:48,860 you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you. 961 00:48:50,276 --> 00:48:52,276 For six years, Afghanistan has been denied 962 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,235 the resources that it demands because of the war in Iraq. 963 00:48:55,318 --> 00:48:58,151 It is in our vital national interest 964 00:48:58,235 --> 00:49:01,985 to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. 965 00:49:02,068 --> 00:49:03,610 Well, I think that in the last year, 966 00:49:03,694 --> 00:49:05,402 we've made a lot of progress. 967 00:49:05,485 --> 00:49:06,711 Two thousand ten will be a year 968 00:49:06,735 --> 00:49:08,110 that will see progress 969 00:49:08,193 --> 00:49:10,193 and a reversal of Taliban momentum. 970 00:49:10,276 --> 00:49:11,819 Well, the financial and human cost 971 00:49:11,902 --> 00:49:13,110 of the War in Afghanistan 972 00:49:13,193 --> 00:49:15,819 has gone up every year over the past five years, 973 00:49:15,902 --> 00:49:18,193 more than 1,600 U.S. troops. 974 00:49:18,276 --> 00:49:21,026 This past year in Afghanistan was the deadliest yet 975 00:49:21,110 --> 00:49:22,735 for American troops. 976 00:49:22,819 --> 00:49:25,276 Momentum achieved by the Taliban in Afghanistan 977 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,694 since 2005 has been arrested in much of the country. 978 00:49:29,777 --> 00:49:32,193 I wish I could tell you that this war was simple, 979 00:49:32,276 --> 00:49:34,318 but that's not the way of counterinsurgencies. 980 00:49:34,402 --> 00:49:37,026 They are fraught with both successes and setbacks, 981 00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:39,235 which can exist in the same space 982 00:49:39,318 --> 00:49:40,944 and in the same time, 983 00:49:41,026 --> 00:49:44,151 and I believe the campaign is on track. 984 00:49:44,235 --> 00:49:46,777 ♪♪♪ 985 00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:49,360 If you ask the question, "Why are we here?" 986 00:49:49,443 --> 00:49:52,360 as President Obama did when he came into office in 2009, 987 00:49:52,443 --> 00:49:54,568 "Why are we fighting in Afghanistan?" 988 00:49:54,652 --> 00:49:58,777 well, his best experts gathered and advised him, 989 00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:00,985 "Sir, we're here because al-Qaeda 990 00:50:01,068 --> 00:50:03,193 is still a threat to the United States. 991 00:50:03,276 --> 00:50:07,026 Bin Laden's still alive. We got to finish the job." 992 00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:09,235 Every year, there was this sense 993 00:50:09,318 --> 00:50:11,652 that if we did X, Y, and Z, 994 00:50:11,735 --> 00:50:13,819 maybe we could finish up the war. 995 00:50:13,902 --> 00:50:16,860 Tonight I can report to the American people 996 00:50:16,944 --> 00:50:19,235 and to the world that the United States 997 00:50:19,318 --> 00:50:23,151 has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, 998 00:50:23,235 --> 00:50:25,652 the leader of al-Qaeda. 999 00:50:25,735 --> 00:50:26,735 And this will go down 1000 00:50:26,777 --> 00:50:28,151 as one of the great missions 1001 00:50:28,235 --> 00:50:31,360 in the history of the intelligence community. 1002 00:50:32,276 --> 00:50:34,735 As I was planning the mission, you had to have surprise. 1003 00:50:34,819 --> 00:50:36,443 We had surprise. You had to have speed. 1004 00:50:36,527 --> 00:50:37,767 We're coming in by helicopters. 1005 00:50:37,819 --> 00:50:39,527 And you had to have purpose, 1006 00:50:39,610 --> 00:50:42,044 and God knows these-these, uh, SEALs and soldiers had purpose. 1007 00:50:42,068 --> 00:50:44,228 They were going after the most wanted man in the world. 1008 00:50:45,944 --> 00:50:48,610 It was about who we are as Americans. 1009 00:50:48,694 --> 00:50:50,819 This man and his people had attacked New York 1010 00:50:50,902 --> 00:50:52,777 and Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C., 1011 00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:54,985 and we had an obligation 1012 00:50:55,068 --> 00:50:57,652 to spend as long as it took to bring him to justice. 1013 00:50:57,735 --> 00:51:00,485 ♪♪♪ 1014 00:51:00,568 --> 00:51:02,819 We did get bin Laden. 1015 00:51:02,902 --> 00:51:04,318 Al-Qaeda is diminished. 1016 00:51:04,402 --> 00:51:05,860 It's scattered. It's under pressure. 1017 00:51:05,944 --> 00:51:09,527 We have been killing people with our drones 1018 00:51:09,610 --> 00:51:11,777 for a good while now, 1019 00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:14,068 so why are we still here? 1020 00:51:14,151 --> 00:51:19,276 ♪♪♪ 1021 00:51:24,735 --> 00:51:29,485 ♪♪♪ 1022 00:51:29,568 --> 00:51:33,318 As the war in Afghanistan went on and on, 1023 00:51:33,402 --> 00:51:35,735 the CIA then got into the secret air war business, 1024 00:51:35,819 --> 00:51:37,860 which is really what the drone campaign was. 1025 00:51:37,944 --> 00:51:39,402 It was a secret air war 1026 00:51:39,485 --> 00:51:42,235 designed to do what the United States 1027 00:51:42,318 --> 00:51:44,860 was not prepared to do through conventional means. 1028 00:51:46,318 --> 00:51:48,235 The CIA was given charge of that 1029 00:51:48,318 --> 00:51:50,276 because it wasn't going to be declared. 1030 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,402 It wasn't going to be run by the Air Force 1031 00:51:52,485 --> 00:51:55,485 or by the special operations groups at the Pentagon. 1032 00:51:55,568 --> 00:52:00,110 It was, uh, covert, and so that added to the sense 1033 00:52:00,193 --> 00:52:03,193 that the CIA was... Became an agency at war. 1034 00:52:04,443 --> 00:52:05,902 It's a new way of war. 1035 00:52:05,985 --> 00:52:07,211 The United States government wouldn't even acknowledge 1036 00:52:07,235 --> 00:52:08,527 this was really happening, 1037 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:09,628 and-and when they did acknowledge it, 1038 00:52:09,652 --> 00:52:10,652 privately they would say, 1039 00:52:10,735 --> 00:52:11,878 "There's no civilian casualties." 1040 00:52:11,902 --> 00:52:12,735 Well, that wasn't true. 1041 00:52:12,819 --> 00:52:14,402 In Afghanistan, 1042 00:52:14,485 --> 00:52:16,044 NATO is investing a U.S. air strike on Thursday 1043 00:52:16,068 --> 00:52:18,485 that may have killed a child in Helmand Province. 1044 00:52:18,568 --> 00:52:20,944 Whatever the benefit of the drone strikes, 1045 00:52:21,026 --> 00:52:23,151 they have created enormous resentment 1046 00:52:23,235 --> 00:52:24,860 among some here in the region 1047 00:52:24,944 --> 00:52:29,360 who view the strikes as another sign of American arrogance. 1048 00:52:29,443 --> 00:52:31,777 And you can see, this is by administration, 1049 00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:33,235 so under George W. Bush, 1050 00:52:33,318 --> 00:52:34,503 there were relatively limited strikes 1051 00:52:34,527 --> 00:52:36,276 except right at the end of his second term. 1052 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,110 Then under Obama, it spikes up hugely. 1053 00:52:38,193 --> 00:52:39,473 So it was really President Obama 1054 00:52:39,527 --> 00:52:42,443 who hammed it up very dramatically. 1055 00:52:42,527 --> 00:52:45,402 You can see the estimated total number of casualties 1056 00:52:45,485 --> 00:52:48,777 is up to almost as high as 3,000 1057 00:52:48,860 --> 00:52:51,527 on the outer bounds. 1058 00:52:51,610 --> 00:52:53,276 Myself and my colleagues at New America 1059 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,795 have been doing this for about a decade. 1060 00:52:54,819 --> 00:52:56,610 We felt that there was some data out there, 1061 00:52:56,694 --> 00:52:59,193 print media stories that we could assemble and sort of say, 1062 00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:00,985 "What's going on? Who's being killed? 1063 00:53:01,068 --> 00:53:02,610 How many strikes are there?" 1064 00:53:02,694 --> 00:53:06,402 And so we-we began to kind of collate all this. 1065 00:53:06,485 --> 00:53:09,568 When it came to the Predator, 1066 00:53:09,652 --> 00:53:13,276 we also had our forces somewhere in the area. 1067 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,360 So there would be a shot, 1068 00:53:14,443 --> 00:53:15,985 and then people were gonna move in 1069 00:53:16,068 --> 00:53:18,527 to do the sensitive site collection, 1070 00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:21,068 and then... So, you know, it was very human 1071 00:53:21,151 --> 00:53:23,527 because you knew who were down there. 1072 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:27,360 Afghanistan, I think, was the early laboratory 1073 00:53:27,443 --> 00:53:30,944 of what this more paramilitary CIA became, 1074 00:53:31,026 --> 00:53:35,443 so a drone program that went from surveillance drones 1075 00:53:35,527 --> 00:53:39,276 to actually killing people. 1076 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,086 I would say, actually, the principal reason the CIA 1077 00:53:41,110 --> 00:53:44,485 is in Afghanistan is, in a way, the drone program, 1078 00:53:44,568 --> 00:53:48,276 because after 9/11, al-Qaeda didn't remain in Afghanistan. 1079 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,860 They fled into Pakistan, uh, 1080 00:53:49,944 --> 00:53:52,443 and the Taliban regrouped there. 1081 00:53:52,527 --> 00:53:55,068 If I'm trying to deploy six or 12 men 1082 00:53:55,151 --> 00:53:56,527 trying to climb up a mountain 1083 00:53:56,610 --> 00:53:59,193 and get this guy when I can do this easier 1084 00:53:59,276 --> 00:54:03,026 and save our men and women's lives and... 1085 00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:07,235 I'll go... I'll take the Predator any day, any day. 1086 00:54:07,318 --> 00:54:11,568 ♪♪♪ 1087 00:54:11,652 --> 00:54:14,276 In the early years and really even through, 1088 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,026 I would say, for the first ten years, 1089 00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:18,485 you could travel anywhere. 1090 00:54:18,568 --> 00:54:22,151 The capital was lively. The capital felt free. 1091 00:54:22,235 --> 00:54:23,985 Girls were going to school. 1092 00:54:24,068 --> 00:54:26,527 Girls were going to college. 1093 00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:29,276 It certainly felt like a place that was churning with change. 1094 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,985 ♪♪♪ 1095 00:54:32,068 --> 00:54:35,735 My father told me about American University, 1096 00:54:35,819 --> 00:54:39,819 and he said, "It's the best university in Afghanistan." 1097 00:54:41,193 --> 00:54:46,026 He always wanted me to-to get education... 1098 00:54:47,193 --> 00:54:51,485 so I joined the university. 1099 00:54:52,443 --> 00:54:53,777 The vision for people here 1100 00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:56,944 is not a sixth-century fundamentalist Islamic state. 1101 00:54:57,026 --> 00:55:00,276 It's a 21st-century advanced country, 1102 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,902 and they want to get there. 1103 00:55:01,985 --> 00:55:04,193 ♪♪♪ 1104 00:55:04,276 --> 00:55:05,777 We can play a role in that, 1105 00:55:05,860 --> 00:55:08,610 in helping them achieve their dreams. 1106 00:55:08,694 --> 00:55:11,735 My father never want me to come to this university 1107 00:55:11,819 --> 00:55:15,276 because of the risks involved with the name "American" on it, 1108 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,694 and seeing the situation, 1109 00:55:16,777 --> 00:55:20,985 how badly the war is going on in Afghanistan, 1110 00:55:21,068 --> 00:55:23,235 he never wanted me to come here. 1111 00:55:25,485 --> 00:55:28,360 But I told him I have goals in my life, 1112 00:55:28,443 --> 00:55:32,777 and I've already did good in my high school, 1113 00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:35,443 and I had passion to get an education. 1114 00:55:37,110 --> 00:55:40,276 I was not worried about security. 1115 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,819 I had heard about explosions on news, 1116 00:55:44,902 --> 00:55:49,443 but I had not experienced something like that. 1117 00:55:50,318 --> 00:55:52,402 As the Taliban insurgency became stronger, 1118 00:55:52,485 --> 00:55:55,652 there was this growing pattern of attacks 1119 00:55:55,735 --> 00:55:58,110 that began to make everybody realize 1120 00:55:58,193 --> 00:55:59,652 that the Taliban really were back 1121 00:55:59,735 --> 00:56:02,443 and really were causing trouble and really were starting 1122 00:56:02,527 --> 00:56:06,151 to put the brakes on progress of different kinds. 1123 00:56:07,652 --> 00:56:09,485 Many evenings, I would go to my favorite bar, 1124 00:56:09,568 --> 00:56:12,652 this Lebanese café, and I used to go there 1125 00:56:12,735 --> 00:56:15,902 probably at least once a week for many, many years. 1126 00:56:17,527 --> 00:56:19,402 When you live and work in a war zone, 1127 00:56:19,485 --> 00:56:20,985 you need a place like that. 1128 00:56:21,068 --> 00:56:22,318 You need someplace you can go 1129 00:56:22,402 --> 00:56:24,110 and really feel yourself, be yourself, 1130 00:56:24,193 --> 00:56:28,360 and that's pretty much the only place I felt that way. 1131 00:56:29,944 --> 00:56:33,610 And then the Taliban attacked that café, 1132 00:56:33,694 --> 00:56:37,860 shot dead everyone in it, including the owner. 1133 00:56:37,944 --> 00:56:39,443 The scenes of this restaurant 1134 00:56:39,527 --> 00:56:40,860 are really quite incredible... 1135 00:56:40,944 --> 00:56:43,902 People crouched on top of one-one-one another, 1136 00:56:43,985 --> 00:56:45,443 underneath tables, 1137 00:56:45,527 --> 00:56:47,235 gunned down inside there. 1138 00:56:47,318 --> 00:56:49,318 So that seems to have been what has happened. 1139 00:56:49,402 --> 00:56:51,860 Anybody who was injured seems to have been likely 1140 00:56:51,944 --> 00:56:53,819 to have been outside the restaurant, 1141 00:56:53,902 --> 00:56:56,110 potentially in cars waiting outside 1142 00:56:56,193 --> 00:56:58,068 or about to enter the restaurant. 1143 00:56:58,151 --> 00:57:00,652 Anybody inside seems unlikely to have been able 1144 00:57:00,735 --> 00:57:03,860 to escape easily from the gunmen. 1145 00:57:03,944 --> 00:57:07,068 That's the moment I sort of thought, 1146 00:57:07,151 --> 00:57:10,485 "What's left here, you know? Why are we even here?" 1147 00:57:10,568 --> 00:57:14,610 I remember feeling it. I remember thinking that. 1148 00:57:14,694 --> 00:57:19,527 ♪♪♪ 1149 00:57:23,735 --> 00:57:25,735 When I had a temporary assignment 1150 00:57:25,819 --> 00:57:27,235 in Afghanistan, 1151 00:57:27,318 --> 00:57:30,944 I could electrically feel the dangers around me. 1152 00:57:31,026 --> 00:57:32,777 There we go. 1153 00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:35,318 I've definitely known people that have died. 1154 00:57:35,402 --> 00:57:36,902 - You want milk? - No. 1155 00:57:36,985 --> 00:57:38,652 The night before I left, 1156 00:57:38,735 --> 00:57:40,652 I was sitting with my younger daughter, 1157 00:57:40,735 --> 00:57:45,402 and she gave me this bracelet that she made, 1158 00:57:45,485 --> 00:57:48,068 and I promised her I'd wear it every day 1159 00:57:48,151 --> 00:57:51,402 and every night that I was away, and I did. 1160 00:57:51,485 --> 00:57:53,902 I never took it off. 1161 00:57:53,985 --> 00:57:58,443 And when I would leave the wire or go to the less safe 1162 00:57:58,527 --> 00:58:01,777 or secure and fortified areas... 1163 00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:03,944 I looked down at that bracelet, 1164 00:58:04,026 --> 00:58:07,443 and I would definitely question what I was doing. 1165 00:58:08,402 --> 00:58:10,777 "Am I a responsible mom? 1166 00:58:12,652 --> 00:58:16,235 Does my work here really make a difference 1167 00:58:16,318 --> 00:58:18,694 in this seemingly endless war?" 1168 00:58:20,151 --> 00:58:25,026 ♪♪♪ 1169 00:58:27,777 --> 00:58:31,819 I managed analytic teams that covered Afghan politics 1170 00:58:31,902 --> 00:58:34,068 and Afghan economics. 1171 00:58:34,151 --> 00:58:39,151 At that time, there was a U.S.-military narrative 1172 00:58:39,235 --> 00:58:41,151 that things were getting better in the country 1173 00:58:41,235 --> 00:58:43,443 and that the Taliban was failing, 1174 00:58:43,527 --> 00:58:46,985 and that was leading to the discussions of drawdown. 1175 00:58:47,068 --> 00:58:48,610 Two thousand fourteen, 1176 00:58:48,694 --> 00:58:50,610 we have agreed that this is the year 1177 00:58:50,694 --> 00:58:54,402 we will conclude our combat mission in Afghanistan. 1178 00:58:56,235 --> 00:58:58,360 But things on the ground were evolving 1179 00:58:58,443 --> 00:59:01,360 and telling a little bit of a different story. 1180 00:59:01,443 --> 00:59:04,110 The 2015 takeover of Kunduz, 1181 00:59:04,193 --> 00:59:06,610 that's the first provincial capital 1182 00:59:06,694 --> 00:59:10,235 the Taliban had taken since before 2001. 1183 00:59:10,318 --> 00:59:11,777 It was a big deal. 1184 00:59:12,902 --> 00:59:14,318 The battle for Kunduz 1185 00:59:14,402 --> 00:59:15,819 started before dawn, 1186 00:59:15,902 --> 00:59:18,652 as Afghan government troops tried in vain 1187 00:59:18,735 --> 00:59:21,443 to hold back the advance of the Taliban. 1188 00:59:21,527 --> 00:59:23,485 After the West's trillion-dollar war 1189 00:59:23,568 --> 00:59:25,193 against the Taliban, 1190 00:59:25,276 --> 00:59:28,902 its fighters still pose a potent threat. 1191 00:59:28,985 --> 00:59:31,902 They took over the city for about two weeks. 1192 00:59:31,985 --> 00:59:33,568 They released a lot of prisoners... 1193 00:59:33,652 --> 00:59:35,610 A lot of them were Taliban fighters... 1194 00:59:35,694 --> 00:59:38,235 And displaced tens of thousands of people 1195 00:59:38,318 --> 00:59:40,568 in the process. 1196 00:59:40,652 --> 00:59:43,527 It was a total propaganda win for them. 1197 00:59:43,610 --> 00:59:45,276 God willing, this is our hope, 1198 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,860 to build a religious school, 1199 00:59:46,944 --> 00:59:50,527 to build a bridge, a road, a sharia-based government. 1200 00:59:50,610 --> 00:59:51,860 This is why we came out, 1201 00:59:51,944 --> 00:59:53,568 and this is what we fought for... 1202 00:59:53,652 --> 00:59:56,402 So that sharia law is enforced here. 1203 00:59:56,485 --> 00:59:58,503 Just holding the city... That's all they needed to do 1204 00:59:58,527 --> 01:00:00,819 was just take it and hold it, show of force 1205 01:00:00,902 --> 01:00:03,402 to show their fighters and the world 1206 01:00:03,485 --> 01:00:05,860 that they were there and still capable... 1207 01:00:05,944 --> 01:00:07,360 Was quite significant. 1208 01:00:07,443 --> 01:00:10,902 ♪♪♪ 1209 01:00:10,985 --> 01:00:14,110 What happened in Kunduz caught people off guard 1210 01:00:14,193 --> 01:00:15,819 when the Taliban actually managed 1211 01:00:15,902 --> 01:00:17,694 to gain control of the city, 1212 01:00:17,777 --> 01:00:20,068 and I think what happened then was a kind of panic. 1213 01:00:20,151 --> 01:00:24,235 The psychological blow and the PR repercussions 1214 01:00:24,318 --> 01:00:27,068 of having lost a very important northern city 1215 01:00:27,151 --> 01:00:28,694 were enormous, 1216 01:00:28,777 --> 01:00:30,193 and so then there was a kind of 1217 01:00:30,276 --> 01:00:33,819 real scrambling to-to regain control, 1218 01:00:33,902 --> 01:00:38,735 and the American military made a really horrific error. 1219 01:00:38,819 --> 01:00:40,276 Breaking news overnight... 1220 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,735 U.S. warplanes may have killed nine local staffers 1221 01:00:43,819 --> 01:00:47,068 at a medical clinic run by Doctors Without Borders. 1222 01:00:47,151 --> 01:00:50,026 The attack was in the provincial city of Kunduz. 1223 01:00:50,110 --> 01:00:53,443 The U.S. apparently was trying to dislodge Taliban insurgents 1224 01:00:53,527 --> 01:00:55,276 who had seized the city on Monday. 1225 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,443 An American gunship targeted the hospital 1226 01:00:59,527 --> 01:01:03,110 and circled it and hit it repeatedly. 1227 01:01:04,819 --> 01:01:07,819 What's concerning, maybe, about how it unfolded 1228 01:01:07,902 --> 01:01:11,443 was that the Afghan forces operating there 1229 01:01:11,527 --> 01:01:14,860 had raided the hospital some point previously, 1230 01:01:14,944 --> 01:01:17,360 looking for wounded Taliban, 1231 01:01:17,443 --> 01:01:20,151 and were apparently quite unhappy with the fact 1232 01:01:20,235 --> 01:01:24,276 that MSF treated wounded Taliban in the facility, 1233 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,735 whereas MSF, like any medical-care provider, 1234 01:01:27,819 --> 01:01:29,318 say that they treat anyone, 1235 01:01:29,402 --> 01:01:32,318 regardless of political affiliation. 1236 01:01:32,402 --> 01:01:33,652 Our staff have reported 1237 01:01:33,735 --> 01:01:35,819 that there were no armed combatants 1238 01:01:35,902 --> 01:01:38,610 or active fighting in 1239 01:01:38,694 --> 01:01:42,026 or from the compound prior to the air strike. 1240 01:01:42,110 --> 01:01:43,694 Doctors were about to take me 1241 01:01:43,777 --> 01:01:46,318 to an operating theater when the bomb hit. 1242 01:01:46,402 --> 01:01:47,735 There were flames all around me. 1243 01:01:47,819 --> 01:01:51,652 I saw patients and doctors burn to death. 1244 01:01:51,735 --> 01:01:56,610 ♪♪♪ 1245 01:01:56,694 --> 01:01:58,485 Forty-three people died, 1246 01:01:58,568 --> 01:02:03,068 quite a number of them staff and patients... 1247 01:02:03,151 --> 01:02:05,694 including patients on the operating table at the time, 1248 01:02:05,777 --> 01:02:06,568 including children. 1249 01:02:06,652 --> 01:02:09,026 I mean, it was just horrific. 1250 01:02:09,110 --> 01:02:11,402 ♪♪♪ 1251 01:02:11,485 --> 01:02:12,920 And some of these forces that have carried out 1252 01:02:12,944 --> 01:02:14,318 these raids on medical facilities 1253 01:02:14,402 --> 01:02:17,652 are the ones we identified as being backed by, 1254 01:02:17,735 --> 01:02:21,318 trained, recruited by the American CIA. 1255 01:02:21,402 --> 01:02:23,777 ♪♪♪ 1256 01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:27,694 That hospital bombing after the siege of Kunduz 1257 01:02:27,777 --> 01:02:30,443 was pretty devastating. 1258 01:02:30,527 --> 01:02:33,360 A lot of innocent civilians were killed, 1259 01:02:33,443 --> 01:02:36,360 and war is war, and you can always say that, 1260 01:02:36,443 --> 01:02:38,610 but when innocent lives are lost, 1261 01:02:38,694 --> 01:02:41,527 it really does make it difficult to continue the work. 1262 01:02:43,819 --> 01:02:46,193 I saw a lot of horrific images, 1263 01:02:46,276 --> 01:02:48,151 and it's hard to deal with that 1264 01:02:48,235 --> 01:02:50,819 and learn how to process that, 1265 01:02:50,902 --> 01:02:55,568 but I learned and found a way to... 1266 01:02:55,652 --> 01:02:57,944 store those images 1267 01:02:58,026 --> 01:03:01,068 and those experiences in my heart without it destroying me. 1268 01:03:04,568 --> 01:03:07,735 You wake up in the morning, and you brush it off, 1269 01:03:07,819 --> 01:03:12,735 and there's always an emergency and something pressing 1270 01:03:12,819 --> 01:03:14,294 that's happening, and you don't have time 1271 01:03:14,318 --> 01:03:15,798 to necessarily process during the day, 1272 01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:20,276 so you just... you just go 150 miles per hour. 1273 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,276 You go until you crash again. 1274 01:03:31,026 --> 01:03:32,485 It was seven o'clock at night 1275 01:03:32,568 --> 01:03:34,860 when the most number of students and faculty 1276 01:03:34,944 --> 01:03:36,944 and staff were here, and it was just 1277 01:03:37,026 --> 01:03:40,443 when people were going to their last class of the day. 1278 01:03:40,527 --> 01:03:43,944 The attackers loose off a couple of volleys. 1279 01:03:44,026 --> 01:03:46,485 One of them goes this way 1280 01:03:46,568 --> 01:03:48,944 and heads towards our escape route. 1281 01:03:49,026 --> 01:03:52,110 Another one goes in here to our main classroom building. 1282 01:03:52,193 --> 01:03:54,527 At that time, this-these doors were open. 1283 01:03:54,610 --> 01:03:56,944 We didn't have the-the heavy doors we have on them now. 1284 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,068 It was, uh, the month of August 1285 01:04:02,151 --> 01:04:03,985 in 2016, 1286 01:04:04,068 --> 01:04:06,568 and I was expecting 1287 01:04:06,652 --> 01:04:09,402 that it's my last semester. 1288 01:04:10,652 --> 01:04:12,193 I was done with my classes, 1289 01:04:12,276 --> 01:04:14,985 and I went to offer the evening prayer, 1290 01:04:15,068 --> 01:04:18,735 and we were about to leave the mosque. 1291 01:04:18,819 --> 01:04:22,110 I heard some people shouting. 1292 01:04:22,193 --> 01:04:24,694 My friend immediately closed the door, 1293 01:04:24,777 --> 01:04:26,944 and she said... She-she calls me Bresh... 1294 01:04:27,026 --> 01:04:30,402 And she said, "Bresh, why is there gunshots?" 1295 01:04:30,485 --> 01:04:32,276 As she said that... 1296 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,694 ♪♪♪ 1297 01:04:34,777 --> 01:04:37,527 the explosion happened, 1298 01:04:37,610 --> 01:04:40,485 and everything went dark. 1299 01:04:40,568 --> 01:04:41,860 I saw myself on the ground 1300 01:04:41,944 --> 01:04:43,485 after a couple of minutes there, 1301 01:04:43,568 --> 01:04:46,318 and I realized that there was a huge, 1302 01:04:46,402 --> 01:04:48,151 um, hole in the back of my head. 1303 01:04:50,819 --> 01:04:54,360 American University campus in Kabul, Afghanistan, 1304 01:04:54,443 --> 01:04:55,860 is under attack as we speak. 1305 01:04:55,944 --> 01:04:58,902 At least one university guard is now dead. 1306 01:04:58,985 --> 01:05:01,735 Officials say that dozens of students and staff 1307 01:05:01,819 --> 01:05:05,527 are still trapped inside, their fate unknown. 1308 01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:08,985 Everybody was crying and screaming. 1309 01:05:09,068 --> 01:05:13,819 The terrorists said, "Don't scream," you know? 1310 01:05:13,902 --> 01:05:16,276 And then they started shooting. 1311 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,443 ♪♪♪ 1312 01:05:18,527 --> 01:05:22,777 I felt that somebody's standing behind me, 1313 01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:26,068 and when I looked at him, he shot me, 1314 01:05:26,151 --> 01:05:28,902 and I pretended to be dead 1315 01:05:28,985 --> 01:05:33,235 because I thought this is the only way to... 1316 01:05:33,318 --> 01:05:34,902 to save myself. 1317 01:05:34,985 --> 01:05:40,068 ♪♪♪ 1318 01:05:44,777 --> 01:05:47,026 I was bleeding so badly. 1319 01:05:47,110 --> 01:05:48,902 I was trying to remember what's happening 1320 01:05:48,985 --> 01:05:50,860 at the university, 1321 01:05:50,944 --> 01:05:54,235 and I remember what my father told me. 1322 01:05:54,318 --> 01:05:56,568 He said I can't come here, 1323 01:05:56,652 --> 01:06:01,318 and I regretted, um, to have not accepted what he told me. 1324 01:06:01,402 --> 01:06:05,360 ♪♪♪ 1325 01:06:05,443 --> 01:06:10,276 I thought, um, "It's a-it's a dream." 1326 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,652 I wanted to wake up, 1327 01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:13,610 but then I realized it's not a dream. 1328 01:06:13,694 --> 01:06:15,443 It's reality. 1329 01:06:18,568 --> 01:06:23,068 ♪♪♪ 1330 01:06:23,151 --> 01:06:26,026 This university has educated more than 100 1331 01:06:26,110 --> 01:06:28,276 top government officials, young people. 1332 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,110 Afghanistan is a very young country, 1333 01:06:30,193 --> 01:06:32,443 where 75 percent of its population 1334 01:06:32,527 --> 01:06:35,568 is below the age of 25, 1335 01:06:35,652 --> 01:06:38,819 so the attack against the American University 1336 01:06:38,902 --> 01:06:41,402 is an attack against Afghanistan's future. 1337 01:06:41,485 --> 01:06:46,360 ♪♪♪ 1338 01:06:48,276 --> 01:06:50,902 We're numb to so many things in Afghanistan. 1339 01:06:50,985 --> 01:06:54,318 I mean, someone described PTSD to me, 1340 01:06:54,402 --> 01:06:57,735 and I think that as Afghans-as Afghans, 1341 01:06:57,819 --> 01:06:59,443 we collectively suffer from it. 1342 01:06:59,527 --> 01:07:04,443 ♪♪♪ 1343 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,318 Unsafe now are Afghanistan's journalists. 1344 01:07:10,402 --> 01:07:15,235 A bus carrying TOLO TV employees was the target. 1345 01:07:16,944 --> 01:07:20,694 We have lost 13 colleagues in three years, 1346 01:07:20,777 --> 01:07:23,068 and they were kids that we employed, 1347 01:07:23,151 --> 01:07:25,610 and they were members of our family. 1348 01:07:25,694 --> 01:07:28,068 ♪♪♪ 1349 01:07:28,151 --> 01:07:30,652 It's not just a question of these young kids 1350 01:07:30,735 --> 01:07:31,860 leaving us far too early. 1351 01:07:31,985 --> 01:07:33,985 It's also their families. 1352 01:07:34,068 --> 01:07:36,235 Sometimes they were the breadwinners 1353 01:07:36,318 --> 01:07:38,026 of an entire clan. 1354 01:07:38,110 --> 01:07:39,902 ♪♪♪ 1355 01:07:39,985 --> 01:07:44,068 It brings home how serious, 1356 01:07:44,151 --> 01:07:46,235 you know, what we do is and... 1357 01:07:46,318 --> 01:07:49,151 and how dangerous it is, and, you know, 1358 01:07:49,235 --> 01:07:52,193 we've created this culture of telling the truth, 1359 01:07:52,276 --> 01:07:54,193 of pushing boundaries, 1360 01:07:54,276 --> 01:07:55,902 so there's an element of guilt 1361 01:07:55,985 --> 01:07:58,694 that we have exposed these people. 1362 01:07:58,777 --> 01:07:59,860 The Taliban said it meant 1363 01:07:59,944 --> 01:08:01,402 to target the journalists, 1364 01:08:01,485 --> 01:08:04,819 that the channel had accused their fighters of raping women 1365 01:08:04,902 --> 01:08:08,151 when they briefly seized the city of Kunduz last year. 1366 01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:12,443 You think it through, and then you think, you seriously think, 1367 01:08:12,527 --> 01:08:15,360 "Do we need to do this? Is it that important? 1368 01:08:15,443 --> 01:08:16,735 If we can save a life, 1369 01:08:16,819 --> 01:08:19,276 is it worth having a news outlet?" 1370 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,610 ♪♪♪ 1371 01:08:21,694 --> 01:08:23,151 For the Taliban, 1372 01:08:23,235 --> 01:08:26,443 their ideology is so important for them, 1373 01:08:26,527 --> 01:08:28,902 and the values that we push, 1374 01:08:28,985 --> 01:08:30,461 whether it's women's rights and so forth, 1375 01:08:30,485 --> 01:08:33,068 goes very much against what they believe in. 1376 01:08:33,985 --> 01:08:37,068 But also, I think that we represent the new Afghanistan 1377 01:08:37,151 --> 01:08:39,944 because the country has moved on, 1378 01:08:40,026 --> 01:08:43,193 and for them, it's difficult to accept that. 1379 01:08:53,443 --> 01:08:57,485 I take some hope from the fact that now Afghans 1380 01:08:57,568 --> 01:08:59,652 on both sides of the conflict, 1381 01:08:59,735 --> 01:09:01,276 they're incredibly tired of this war. 1382 01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,443 They're not baying for blood. They want to see an end to it. 1383 01:09:04,527 --> 01:09:06,777 With people I trust amongst the Taliban, 1384 01:09:06,860 --> 01:09:09,151 we're involved in a collective effort to make sense 1385 01:09:09,235 --> 01:09:11,485 about what's going on inside their own movement, 1386 01:09:11,568 --> 01:09:14,443 about what's going on in Kabul and amongst the-the... 1387 01:09:14,527 --> 01:09:16,276 You know, the non-Taliban Afghans, 1388 01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,735 and making sense of what the United States is doing. 1389 01:09:19,819 --> 01:09:22,735 Speaking native language 1390 01:09:24,193 --> 01:09:27,026 United States had a very difficult time, 1391 01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:30,860 almost from the beginning of the Afghan War, 1392 01:09:30,944 --> 01:09:33,110 deciding whether the Taliban 1393 01:09:33,193 --> 01:09:35,443 was an enemy of the United States. 1394 01:09:35,527 --> 01:09:37,819 Are they a threat to the United States? 1395 01:09:37,902 --> 01:09:40,819 Well, they're a threat to our ally in Afghanistan, 1396 01:09:40,902 --> 01:09:45,735 but no Taliban, uh, has declared an intention 1397 01:09:45,819 --> 01:09:47,360 to strike the United States, 1398 01:09:47,443 --> 01:09:50,151 certainly not in an official way. 1399 01:09:50,235 --> 01:09:51,985 In fact, they say the opposite... 1400 01:09:52,068 --> 01:09:53,276 "We're only fighting you 1401 01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,544 because you're here in our country. 1402 01:09:54,568 --> 01:09:56,688 If you get out of our country, we'll leave you alone." 1403 01:09:56,735 --> 01:09:58,485 Right now the Taliban, 1404 01:09:58,568 --> 01:10:01,735 they don't like ISIS any more than we do, 1405 01:10:01,819 --> 01:10:04,276 so there's a war going on there 1406 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,902 while the Taliban still blow up people in-in Kabul 1407 01:10:06,985 --> 01:10:09,068 and around the country. 1408 01:10:09,151 --> 01:10:11,318 I do think, at this point, 1409 01:10:11,402 --> 01:10:14,151 the Taliban may have learned their lesson 1410 01:10:14,235 --> 01:10:17,026 about harboring al-Qaeda. 1411 01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:18,550 Now, why they're after Americans now? 1412 01:10:18,610 --> 01:10:19,836 Because they're in Afghanistan. 1413 01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:21,527 We're there. 1414 01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:25,276 And for the Taliban and for- for Afghanistan in general, 1415 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,151 the way to communicate is, you hurt them till they leave. 1416 01:10:30,235 --> 01:10:32,944 They did it to the Russians, you know, 1417 01:10:33,026 --> 01:10:35,527 and-and they're doing it to us. 1418 01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:37,360 An American soldier is dead tonight 1419 01:10:37,443 --> 01:10:38,985 after a Taliban car bomb exploded 1420 01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:40,777 in Kabul, Afghanistan. 1421 01:10:40,860 --> 01:10:43,944 Ten civilians and a military soldier from Romania 1422 01:10:44,026 --> 01:10:45,402 also killed in that attack, 1423 01:10:45,485 --> 01:10:49,443 which comes as the U.S. tries to finalize a peace deal. 1424 01:10:50,193 --> 01:10:50,944 I'm really interested 1425 01:10:51,026 --> 01:10:52,276 in that whole incident, 1426 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,527 partly because there was a video someone took 1427 01:10:55,610 --> 01:10:56,735 right when it happened, 1428 01:10:56,819 --> 01:11:00,235 and there's an Afghan man who... 1429 01:11:00,318 --> 01:11:02,235 I think he sees the truck or van 1430 01:11:02,318 --> 01:11:04,110 kind of coming on to the sidewalk, 1431 01:11:04,193 --> 01:11:07,276 and you can see he knows, and he starts to run, 1432 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,902 and then he dies when it blows up. 1433 01:11:11,985 --> 01:11:16,402 That video went really viral, and it was such a sad story 1434 01:11:16,485 --> 01:11:18,860 'cause it was... I think he was a shopkeeper, 1435 01:11:18,944 --> 01:11:21,151 and he usually sent his assistant to do something 1436 01:11:21,235 --> 01:11:23,002 but decided that day to give his assistant a break 1437 01:11:23,026 --> 01:11:24,151 and he would go do it. 1438 01:11:24,235 --> 01:11:26,235 I can't remember the exact story, 1439 01:11:26,318 --> 01:11:28,902 but something about that moment 1440 01:11:28,985 --> 01:11:33,360 and people seeing him kind of know what's coming 1441 01:11:33,443 --> 01:11:34,610 and try to escape, 1442 01:11:34,694 --> 01:11:37,819 I think every Afghan saw themselves in that, 1443 01:11:37,902 --> 01:11:40,151 and that's why people just kept watching it 1444 01:11:40,235 --> 01:11:41,485 over and over and over, 1445 01:11:41,568 --> 01:11:44,193 but that is what life has become, you know? 1446 01:11:44,276 --> 01:11:45,402 You're just waiting 1447 01:11:45,485 --> 01:11:48,860 or hoping you can outrun whatever's coming. 1448 01:11:48,944 --> 01:11:53,443 ♪♪♪ 1449 01:11:53,527 --> 01:11:55,169 We're like policemen. We're not fighting a war. 1450 01:11:55,193 --> 01:11:57,777 If we wanted to fight a war in Afghanistan and win it, 1451 01:11:57,860 --> 01:12:00,777 I could win that war in a week. 1452 01:12:00,860 --> 01:12:03,026 I just don't want to kill ten million people. 1453 01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:04,402 Does that make sense to you? 1454 01:12:04,485 --> 01:12:06,985 I don't want to kill ten million people. 1455 01:12:07,068 --> 01:12:09,193 I have plans on Afghanistan 1456 01:12:09,276 --> 01:12:11,610 that if I wanted to win that war, 1457 01:12:11,694 --> 01:12:14,610 Afghanistan would be wiped off the face of the Earth. 1458 01:12:14,694 --> 01:12:15,944 It would be gone. 1459 01:12:16,026 --> 01:12:19,652 It would be over in... Literally in ten days, 1460 01:12:19,735 --> 01:12:22,443 and I don't want to do... I don't want to go that route. 1461 01:12:22,527 --> 01:12:25,819 United States does not owe us anything. 1462 01:12:25,902 --> 01:12:30,402 They can pull out any second they wish, 1463 01:12:30,485 --> 01:12:33,110 but what will be the interpretation 1464 01:12:33,193 --> 01:12:35,777 of this pullout? 1465 01:12:35,860 --> 01:12:38,652 There will be, whether you like it or not, 1466 01:12:38,735 --> 01:12:40,276 a domino effect. 1467 01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:44,944 This will be celebration for terrorists. 1468 01:12:45,026 --> 01:12:49,235 The mightiest power in the globe running away, 1469 01:12:49,318 --> 01:12:51,610 leaving the scene to who? 1470 01:12:51,694 --> 01:12:53,735 I'm not saying they must stay. 1471 01:12:53,819 --> 01:12:57,610 I mean, they-they can leave any moment they wish. 1472 01:12:57,694 --> 01:12:59,318 Seeing what we've seen in Afghanistan 1473 01:12:59,402 --> 01:13:02,860 and our involvement in it, being our longest-running war, 1474 01:13:02,944 --> 01:13:05,068 the theory is kind of panning out. 1475 01:13:07,235 --> 01:13:11,110 I don't see how this war can be won. 1476 01:13:13,527 --> 01:13:15,944 A bombshell series of investigative reports 1477 01:13:16,026 --> 01:13:17,235 in The Washington Post 1478 01:13:17,318 --> 01:13:19,443 exposing heartbreaking truths 1479 01:13:19,527 --> 01:13:21,318 about the U.S. war in Afghanistan, 1480 01:13:21,402 --> 01:13:23,610 which has claimed some 2,400 U.S. lives 1481 01:13:23,694 --> 01:13:27,193 and cost nearly a trillion dollars. 1482 01:13:27,276 --> 01:13:28,527 The first thing we did, 1483 01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:30,110 the first story was just to show 1484 01:13:30,193 --> 01:13:31,753 that disconnect between what they were saying in public 1485 01:13:31,777 --> 01:13:33,002 and what they were saying privately, 1486 01:13:33,026 --> 01:13:34,360 but then, as you pointed out, 1487 01:13:34,443 --> 01:13:35,777 we-we focus on certain themes, 1488 01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:38,360 certain core failings of the war. 1489 01:13:38,443 --> 01:13:41,276 That's the gist of-of the series. 1490 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,711 A new report claims that the American people 1491 01:13:42,735 --> 01:13:45,360 were misled about the War in Afghanistan. 1492 01:13:45,443 --> 01:13:48,318 A Washington Post investigation looked at nearly 2,000 pages 1493 01:13:48,402 --> 01:13:50,235 of internal government documents 1494 01:13:50,318 --> 01:13:51,819 and found that senior U.S. officials 1495 01:13:51,902 --> 01:13:54,235 did not tell the truth. 1496 01:13:54,318 --> 01:13:55,735 "Built to Fail. 1497 01:13:55,819 --> 01:13:58,235 Despite vows the U.S. wouldn't get mired in nation building, 1498 01:13:58,318 --> 01:14:00,402 it has wasted billions doing just that." 1499 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:03,735 Uh, "Consumed by Corruption. 1500 01:14:03,819 --> 01:14:05,735 The U.S. flooded the country with money 1501 01:14:05,819 --> 01:14:07,795 and then turned a blind eye to the graft it fueled." 1502 01:14:07,819 --> 01:14:09,068 "Unguarded Nation. 1503 01:14:09,151 --> 01:14:11,318 Afghan security forces, despite years of training, 1504 01:14:11,402 --> 01:14:13,568 were dogged by incompetence and corruption." 1505 01:14:13,652 --> 01:14:18,527 And the last day, uh, "Overwhelmed by Opium. 1506 01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:20,485 The U.S. war on drugs in Afghanistan 1507 01:14:20,568 --> 01:14:23,235 has imploded at nearly every turn." 1508 01:14:23,318 --> 01:14:25,276 I think the main headline is that, you know, 1509 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,568 for 18 years, U.S. government, generals, 1510 01:14:28,652 --> 01:14:30,485 ambassadors, diplomats 1511 01:14:30,568 --> 01:14:31,944 were giving rosy pronouncements 1512 01:14:32,026 --> 01:14:33,318 about the War in Afghanistan, 1513 01:14:33,402 --> 01:14:36,402 even though they knew the war was not going well 1514 01:14:36,485 --> 01:14:37,777 or it was failing 1515 01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:40,068 or that they had profound doubts about the strategy. 1516 01:14:40,151 --> 01:14:42,485 So, in public, they were saying one thing 1517 01:14:42,568 --> 01:14:44,110 about how they were making progress 1518 01:14:44,193 --> 01:14:46,402 and this was a war worth fighting. 1519 01:14:46,485 --> 01:14:47,777 In private, 1520 01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:49,944 they admitted they had no idea what they were doing. 1521 01:14:50,026 --> 01:14:52,276 "We didn't know what we were doing," 1522 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,235 said now-retired Lieutenant General Douglas Lute, 1523 01:14:55,318 --> 01:14:59,485 who was the Afghan war czar for Presidents Bush and Obama. 1524 01:14:59,568 --> 01:15:01,985 I can't think of another war 1525 01:15:02,068 --> 01:15:04,944 where you have the generals in charge of it 1526 01:15:05,026 --> 01:15:08,110 admitting that their strategy was fatally flawed, 1527 01:15:08,193 --> 01:15:10,902 and to say that in such raw terms, 1528 01:15:11,026 --> 01:15:13,944 it's not just news, it's-it's history. 1529 01:15:14,026 --> 01:15:16,485 We simply didn't know what we were doing. 1530 01:15:16,568 --> 01:15:20,568 It wasn't even mission creep. It was mission fantasy. 1531 01:15:20,652 --> 01:15:23,860 How do we ever believe in our military people in the future? 1532 01:15:23,944 --> 01:15:25,795 I mean, it's like a spouse who's been cheated on. 1533 01:15:25,819 --> 01:15:27,151 How do I ever trust you again? 1534 01:15:27,235 --> 01:15:28,878 In a country increasingly divided every day, 1535 01:15:28,902 --> 01:15:30,378 it's nice to learn that there's one issue 1536 01:15:30,402 --> 01:15:32,485 that brings America's leaders together... 1537 01:15:32,568 --> 01:15:33,777 Lying about war. 1538 01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:36,819 ♪ Dramatic music ♪ 1539 01:15:36,902 --> 01:15:40,610 ♪♪♪ 1540 01:15:40,694 --> 01:15:41,777 I think the American public 1541 01:15:41,860 --> 01:15:43,527 has always wanted to support the war. 1542 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:44,795 They wanted to support the troops here. 1543 01:15:44,819 --> 01:15:47,193 This is very different from Iraq or other conflicts 1544 01:15:47,276 --> 01:15:49,735 around the world, and... But over time, 1545 01:15:49,819 --> 01:15:52,402 it's become clear, I think, to the American people 1546 01:15:52,485 --> 01:15:54,777 that this wasn't working out as intended. 1547 01:15:54,860 --> 01:15:57,360 It took years and years much longer than they thought, 1548 01:15:57,443 --> 01:15:59,860 and they've heard three presidents talk about this. 1549 01:15:59,944 --> 01:16:01,568 And they knew it didn't add up. 1550 01:16:01,652 --> 01:16:06,276 ♪♪♪ 1551 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,360 Building schools and protecting women's rights 1552 01:16:08,443 --> 01:16:11,235 and so on, that's not what this war is about. 1553 01:16:11,318 --> 01:16:13,318 Those have always been secondary 1554 01:16:13,402 --> 01:16:14,610 to the primary objective, 1555 01:16:14,694 --> 01:16:19,110 which has been to hunt Taliban and al-Qaeda. 1556 01:16:19,193 --> 01:16:21,860 The secret detentions, the torture, 1557 01:16:21,944 --> 01:16:25,902 ceaseless night raids, air strikes, drone attacks, 1558 01:16:25,985 --> 01:16:29,694 when I said it's a CIA war, meaning they've sort of set 1559 01:16:29,777 --> 01:16:33,235 the priorities for the war, 1560 01:16:33,318 --> 01:16:37,318 and for the Afghans, this is a never-ending war, 1561 01:16:37,402 --> 01:16:40,151 and many of them have seen nothing but. 1562 01:16:40,235 --> 01:16:44,652 ♪♪♪ 1563 01:16:44,735 --> 01:16:47,235 The U.S. and the Taliban have just signed 1564 01:16:47,318 --> 01:16:50,068 a landmark agreement that could finally lead 1565 01:16:50,151 --> 01:16:53,235 to an end of hostilities in Afghanistan. 1566 01:16:53,318 --> 01:16:56,819 After two decades of war, the U.S. and the Afghan Taliban 1567 01:16:56,902 --> 01:16:59,068 have just signed a long-awaited deal 1568 01:16:59,151 --> 01:17:00,735 aimed at paving the way to peace 1569 01:17:00,819 --> 01:17:03,068 and the departure of foreign troops. 1570 01:17:03,151 --> 01:17:04,568 Not part of the deal? 1571 01:17:04,652 --> 01:17:05,836 Any commitments from the Taliban 1572 01:17:05,860 --> 01:17:07,568 to protect the civil rights of people 1573 01:17:07,652 --> 01:17:09,068 they so brutally repressed 1574 01:17:09,151 --> 01:17:12,902 when last in power, particularly women. 1575 01:17:12,985 --> 01:17:15,068 Afghanistan has suffered for 40 years, 1576 01:17:15,151 --> 01:17:16,819 so it's very hard to see how this country 1577 01:17:16,902 --> 01:17:18,860 is going to be able to pull together. 1578 01:17:18,944 --> 01:17:20,544 The coming days and months are going to decide 1579 01:17:20,568 --> 01:17:22,860 whether peace in Afghanistan is going to move 1580 01:17:22,944 --> 01:17:25,485 from a signed document to reality on the ground. 1581 01:17:25,568 --> 01:17:29,944 I really believe the Taliban wants to do something to show 1582 01:17:30,026 --> 01:17:33,276 that we're not all wasting time. 1583 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,944 If bad things happen, we'll go back. 1584 01:17:36,026 --> 01:17:40,902 ♪♪♪ 1585 01:17:42,735 --> 01:17:44,944 Meeting with Afghans, you can tell 1586 01:17:45,026 --> 01:17:49,402 they've lost faith in their American counterparts 1587 01:17:49,485 --> 01:17:52,276 because of the historical flip-flopping 1588 01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,443 and pulling back and pushing back into areas, 1589 01:17:55,527 --> 01:17:57,735 and you can see in their eyes 1590 01:17:57,819 --> 01:18:02,193 the weariness and frustration, 1591 01:18:02,276 --> 01:18:03,694 'cause it's their country. 1592 01:18:03,777 --> 01:18:08,068 It's their families, and it's their people, 1593 01:18:08,151 --> 01:18:11,777 and we come and go... 1594 01:18:11,860 --> 01:18:13,652 and that hurts. 1595 01:18:18,026 --> 01:18:22,735 After the attack, I went to the United States. 1596 01:18:22,819 --> 01:18:25,694 My medical treatment was sponsored 1597 01:18:25,777 --> 01:18:30,068 by a hospital in Dallas. 1598 01:18:30,151 --> 01:18:33,902 I spent six months in the hospital, 1599 01:18:33,985 --> 01:18:38,276 and many people told me to stay there in the U.S., 1600 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,985 but I really wanted to graduate, 1601 01:18:42,068 --> 01:18:45,819 and also, I wanted to come back to Afghanistan. 1602 01:18:45,902 --> 01:18:49,485 I don't know, but I wanted to come back. 1603 01:18:49,568 --> 01:18:50,819 I don't hate those people 1604 01:18:50,902 --> 01:18:52,485 who attacked my university, 1605 01:18:52,568 --> 01:18:55,985 because one day, with the education I receive, 1606 01:18:56,068 --> 01:19:00,777 I want to bring a change that will affect their children. 1607 01:19:00,860 --> 01:19:03,985 Educated people are leaving the country 1608 01:19:04,068 --> 01:19:08,193 because of insecurity, but if everybody leaves, 1609 01:19:08,276 --> 01:19:10,819 who will do something for the country? 1610 01:19:15,568 --> 01:19:16,777 We cannot just depend 1611 01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:21,777 on the United States for peace. 1612 01:19:21,860 --> 01:19:25,360 So I think I have the responsibility to work for it, 1613 01:19:25,443 --> 01:19:27,402 because this is the time. 1614 01:19:27,485 --> 01:19:29,819 The country is in need. 1615 01:19:31,318 --> 01:19:32,985 Afghanistan is the youngest country 1616 01:19:33,068 --> 01:19:35,819 outside of Africa, median age of 18. 1617 01:19:35,902 --> 01:19:37,485 I think 60 percent of the population 1618 01:19:37,568 --> 01:19:38,985 is under the age of 20, 1619 01:19:39,068 --> 01:19:40,735 so there's certainly this appetite, 1620 01:19:40,819 --> 01:19:43,193 this capacity to embrace change. 1621 01:19:46,276 --> 01:19:48,527 ♪♪♪ 1622 01:19:48,610 --> 01:19:50,402 You know, in life, you get one shot 1623 01:19:50,485 --> 01:19:54,777 at doing something that is impactful. 1624 01:19:54,860 --> 01:19:57,026 Whether we're successful or not is another story, 1625 01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:59,318 but we-we've tried. 1626 01:19:59,402 --> 01:20:01,652 ♪♪♪ 1627 01:20:01,735 --> 01:20:04,360 buwee' ted 1628 01:20:04,443 --> 01:20:05,443 ♪♪ 123854

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