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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:03,602 Tonight... 2 00:00:03,637 --> 00:00:05,771 N: We were trying to organize these communities 3 00:00:05,806 --> 00:00:07,072 to take possession of their own lives. 4 00:00:07,108 --> 00:00:09,408 MAN: Voter registration, freedom schools. 5 00:00:09,443 --> 00:00:12,811 We must be strong enough to crush the enemy! 6 00:00:12,847 --> 00:00:14,780 WOMAN: Everybody was in grave danger. 7 00:00:14,815 --> 00:00:16,382 NEWSCASTER (on TV): The three civil rights workers 8 00:00:16,417 --> 00:00:17,983 who disappeared in Mississippi last Sunday night 9 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:19,618 still have not been heard from. 10 00:00:19,653 --> 00:00:22,221 "Freedom Summer," on American Experience. 11 00:00:34,568 --> 00:00:36,235 NASA ANNOUNCER: Lift-off, the clock is runng. 12 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:38,871 PILOT: We have mass casualties up here. 13 00:00:49,417 --> 00:00:51,517 RINGSIDE ANNOUNCER: Schmeling is down! 14 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:03,929 ican Experience 15 00:01:03,998 --> 00:01:05,964 is provided by: 16 00:01:08,235 --> 00:01:11,336 provided by: 17 00:01:16,143 --> 00:01:18,544 Additional funding is provided by: 18 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:29,822 And by members of: 19 00:01:34,995 --> 00:01:37,362 American Experience is also made possible by: 20 00:01:40,134 --> 00:01:42,434 And by contributions to your PBS station from: 21 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:55,080 WOMAN: ¶ Hear that freedom train a-comin' ¶ 22 00:01:55,116 --> 00:02:02,187 ¶ Hear that freedom train a-comin' ¶ 23 00:02:02,223 --> 00:02:06,725 ¶ Well, hear that freedom train a-comin'... ¶ 24 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,294 KARIN KUNSTLER: Spending a summer in Mississippi 25 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:12,965 taught me a lot about this country. 26 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,533 My high school social studies teacher 27 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:18,103 taught me that we all have rights. 28 00:02:18,139 --> 00:02:21,340 Mississippi summer taught me that we didn't all have rights. 29 00:02:21,375 --> 00:02:25,144 WOMAN: ¶ They'll be comin' by the thousands ¶ 30 00:02:25,179 --> 00:02:30,115 ¶ They'll be comin' by the thousands... ¶ 31 00:02:30,151 --> 00:02:32,117 JULIAN BOND: When we began to go to Mississippi, 32 00:02:32,153 --> 00:02:33,719 the black people we met there 33 00:02:33,754 --> 00:02:35,420 were not interested in lunch counters. 34 00:02:35,456 --> 00:02:38,357 They weren't interested in sitting in the front of the bus. 35 00:02:38,392 --> 00:02:39,758 There were no lunch counters. 36 00:02:39,793 --> 00:02:40,993 There were no buses. 37 00:02:41,028 --> 00:02:44,229 They wanted to vote. 38 00:02:46,433 --> 00:02:52,571 WOMAN: ¶ It'll be carryin' registered voters ¶ 39 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:59,678 ¶ It'll be carryin' registered voters... ¶ 40 00:02:59,713 --> 00:03:02,347 PEGGY JEAN CONNOR: I just made up my mind 41 00:03:02,383 --> 00:03:04,783 that I was going to be a registered voter. 42 00:03:04,818 --> 00:03:07,319 I never wanted to be a politician. 43 00:03:07,354 --> 00:03:10,189 I just wanted the right to vote. 44 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:12,424 ¶ Get on aboard... ¶ 45 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:14,092 EUGENE "BULL" CONNOR: I don't want the niggra 46 00:03:14,128 --> 00:03:16,595 as I have known him and contacted him 47 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:18,564 during my lifetime, 48 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:23,302 to control the making of the law that controls me, 49 00:03:23,337 --> 00:03:30,108 to control the government in which I live. 50 00:03:30,144 --> 00:03:34,279 ¶ It'll be rollin' through Mississippi... ¶ 51 00:03:34,315 --> 00:03:36,582 CHARLIE COBB: I don't think people understand 52 00:03:36,617 --> 00:03:38,650 how violent Mississippi was. 53 00:03:38,686 --> 00:03:43,388 Terrorism led black people to the obvious conclusion: 54 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:44,957 if they try and vote, 55 00:03:44,992 --> 00:03:47,659 they're messing with white folks' business 56 00:03:47,695 --> 00:03:50,095 and they can get hurt or killed. 57 00:03:54,101 --> 00:03:57,502 BOB MOSES: We hope to send into Mississippi this summer 58 00:03:57,538 --> 00:04:03,475 upwards of 1,000 students from all around the country 59 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:06,311 who will engage in what we're calling 60 00:04:06,347 --> 00:04:10,249 freedom schools, community center programs, 61 00:04:10,284 --> 00:04:12,484 voter registration activity, 62 00:04:12,519 --> 00:04:15,754 and, in general, 63 00:04:15,789 --> 00:04:20,359 a program designed to open up Mississippi to the country. 64 00:04:22,396 --> 00:04:24,429 REPORTER: The burned out station wagon 65 00:04:24,465 --> 00:04:27,332 in which the three civil rights workers were last seen 66 00:04:27,368 --> 00:04:30,369 has been processed by FBI laboratory investigators... 67 00:04:30,404 --> 00:04:33,205 DOROTHY ZELLNER: I knew it was going to be bad. 68 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:40,245 I didn't dream for a minute that people would be killed. 69 00:04:40,281 --> 00:04:43,015 But it was always in the back of everybody's mind 70 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:44,416 that something... 71 00:04:44,451 --> 00:04:47,219 that things, bad things, were going to happen. 72 00:04:47,254 --> 00:04:49,388 So it was terrifying. 73 00:04:49,423 --> 00:04:53,158 But if you cared about this country 74 00:04:53,193 --> 00:04:56,561 and you cared about democracy, then you had to go down there. 75 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:02,334 MAN: ¶ I'm goin' down to Mississippi ¶ 76 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:06,305 ¶ Oh, I'm goin' down a southern road ¶ 77 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:11,343 ¶ And if you never see me again ¶ 78 00:05:11,378 --> 00:05:14,546 ¶ Remember that I had to go ¶ 79 00:05:14,581 --> 00:05:19,318 ¶ Remember that I had to go... ¶ 80 00:05:19,353 --> 00:05:21,320 REPORTER: The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, 81 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:23,322 a militant group in the South 82 00:05:23,357 --> 00:05:25,524 with support from other major civil rights organizations, 83 00:05:25,559 --> 00:05:26,892 is readying a massive program 84 00:05:26,927 --> 00:05:29,361 called the Mississippi Summer Project, 85 00:05:29,396 --> 00:05:31,496 a campaign that may have no parallel 86 00:05:31,532 --> 00:05:34,599 since the days of Reconstruction. 87 00:05:38,605 --> 00:05:40,238 GWENDOLYN SIMMONS: I'd heard about Mississippi 88 00:05:40,274 --> 00:05:42,841 all of my life growing up. 89 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:44,676 But nonetheless, 90 00:05:44,712 --> 00:05:47,946 the fact that the people in Mississippi couldn't vote 91 00:05:47,981 --> 00:05:53,685 was just a shock even to me there in Memphis. 92 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:57,689 I thought that it was very important 93 00:05:57,725 --> 00:06:00,926 to go to Mississippi and make a statement 94 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:05,230 about the horrors that confronted black people there. 95 00:06:05,265 --> 00:06:08,300 REPORTER: This Ivy League campus is one of the staging bases 96 00:06:08,335 --> 00:06:11,803 for an invasion of Mississippi by college students. 97 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,041 The students are being recruited all over the United States, 98 00:06:16,076 --> 00:06:17,542 from Harvard to Hawaii. 99 00:06:17,578 --> 00:06:19,911 They will go to live in Mississippi this summer 100 00:06:19,947 --> 00:06:21,847 to fight for the Negroes' civil rights. 101 00:06:21,882 --> 00:06:25,016 PATTI MILLER: I first heard about Freedom Summer 102 00:06:25,052 --> 00:06:27,953 in the spring of 1964. 103 00:06:27,988 --> 00:06:31,623 I saw a brochure on the bulletin board at Drake University 104 00:06:31,658 --> 00:06:34,726 where I was a student, which is in Iowa. 105 00:06:34,762 --> 00:06:37,963 And it just caught my eye immediately. 106 00:06:42,803 --> 00:06:44,102 TRACY SUGARMAN: I had been making drawings 107 00:06:44,138 --> 00:06:47,672 for corporations and colleges, 108 00:06:47,708 --> 00:06:53,478 and my wife June felt very deeply about the injustice 109 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:56,114 in the country, as did I. 110 00:06:56,150 --> 00:07:01,453 So we decided that I would take my skills as an illustrator 111 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:04,790 and go to Mississippi. 112 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:09,461 I was 20 years older than they were, 113 00:07:09,496 --> 00:07:11,763 but I was part of the group. 114 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:16,201 ZELLNER: My job was recruiting. 115 00:07:16,236 --> 00:07:19,004 Students heard about the project either through me 116 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:20,505 or the campus newspaper. 117 00:07:20,541 --> 00:07:21,773 Then they contacted us 118 00:07:21,809 --> 00:07:25,977 for an interview and for an application. 119 00:07:26,013 --> 00:07:29,214 READER: "I am a junior at Queens College majoring 120 00:07:29,249 --> 00:07:30,482 "in anthropology. 121 00:07:30,517 --> 00:07:34,753 "My schooling so far has been oriented toward history 122 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:36,822 "and I have good knowledge of current affairs. 123 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:40,459 "Finally, I have a good deal of experience 124 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:42,861 "with racial and religious prejudices 125 00:07:42,896 --> 00:07:44,563 in the North and South." 126 00:07:44,598 --> 00:07:46,598 Andrew Goodman. 127 00:07:49,002 --> 00:07:52,070 READER: "I have just returned from a spring project 128 00:07:52,105 --> 00:07:55,540 "on a voter registration drive in Raleigh, North Carolina, 129 00:07:55,576 --> 00:07:57,976 "where I was filled with an overwhelming desire 130 00:07:58,011 --> 00:08:00,745 "to clean the rot out of America. 131 00:08:00,781 --> 00:08:04,683 "All I can say is that its very important to me 132 00:08:04,718 --> 00:08:07,219 "that I play my role in Civil Rights for the U.S. 133 00:08:07,254 --> 00:08:10,288 "and most of all for myself. 134 00:08:10,324 --> 00:08:12,123 Linda Wetmore." 135 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:15,527 ZELLNER: We were looking for people 136 00:08:15,562 --> 00:08:18,663 who believed that this was important, 137 00:08:18,699 --> 00:08:22,267 who would be respectful to the black community, 138 00:08:22,302 --> 00:08:26,304 who were not nutcases, who were not divas, 139 00:08:26,340 --> 00:08:28,573 and who were not people who were going down 140 00:08:28,609 --> 00:08:32,010 to show the world how great they were. 141 00:08:32,045 --> 00:08:35,347 This was a majority black organization 142 00:08:35,382 --> 00:08:39,251 with black people telling white people what to do. 143 00:08:39,286 --> 00:08:41,853 Now so let's say you're in Mississippi 144 00:08:41,889 --> 00:08:44,222 and Bob Moses, who's director of the project, 145 00:08:44,258 --> 00:08:45,524 comes over to you and says, 146 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,559 "Phil, will you spend the next four weeks 147 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:49,694 typing index cards," 148 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:54,499 or some other task that you might not care for very much, 149 00:08:54,535 --> 00:08:57,669 how would you react to that? 150 00:08:57,704 --> 00:09:00,906 I would certainly say yes, but I would hope that... 151 00:09:00,941 --> 00:09:03,942 I do hope that I can participate more actively in the movement. 152 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:06,011 If this is where he wants me to be, 153 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:08,079 of course that's what I'll do. 154 00:09:08,115 --> 00:09:09,915 ZELLNER: We turned down people. 155 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:12,350 There were many more people who wanted to go. 156 00:09:12,386 --> 00:09:16,855 But from the point of view of safety for the whole project, 157 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:19,925 we had to have people who were as together as you can be 158 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,093 when you're 19 or 20. 159 00:09:22,129 --> 00:09:26,731 When we sure that Freedom Summer would actually happen, 160 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:29,768 Jim Forman, the executive director of SNCC, 161 00:09:29,803 --> 00:09:33,204 sent a number of people who would be paid field staff 162 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,074 into Mississippi to help pave the way. 163 00:09:39,012 --> 00:09:41,413 RITA SCHWERNER: Part of the application process 164 00:09:41,448 --> 00:09:45,450 to be considered as part of the field staff 165 00:09:45,485 --> 00:09:50,355 was to write a letter of application. 166 00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:53,592 And this is part of the letter that I wrote. 167 00:09:53,627 --> 00:09:58,096 "I wish to become an active participant 168 00:09:58,131 --> 00:10:01,900 "rather than a passive onlooker. 169 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:04,903 "As my husband and I are in close agreement 170 00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:06,571 "as to our philosophy and involvement 171 00:10:06,607 --> 00:10:10,408 "in the civil rights struggle, I wish to work near him 172 00:10:10,444 --> 00:10:14,212 "in whatever capacity I may be most useful. 173 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:17,949 "My hope is to someday pass on to the children we may have 174 00:10:17,985 --> 00:10:20,952 "a world containing more respect 175 00:10:20,988 --> 00:10:25,023 "for the dignity and worth of all men 176 00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:28,460 than that world which was willed to us." 177 00:10:32,532 --> 00:10:34,566 REPORTER: For these students, it will be a longer, hotter summer 178 00:10:34,601 --> 00:10:37,202 than for almost anyone else in this country. 179 00:10:37,237 --> 00:10:40,105 But they believe their project will be the breakthrough 180 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:42,207 in the civil rights battle. 181 00:10:42,242 --> 00:10:46,111 Their motto: "Crack Mississippi and you crack the whole South." 182 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:03,328 HOLLIS WATKINS: From an early age on, 183 00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:07,232 I was told as a young black boy, "If you see white people 184 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:12,270 walking down the sidewalk, especially if it's a man, 185 00:11:12,305 --> 00:11:14,472 "you step off to the side 186 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:16,841 "and drop your head until he passed by, 187 00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:18,276 "because if you didn't, 188 00:11:18,311 --> 00:11:21,680 "he might consider that to be disrespectful 189 00:11:21,715 --> 00:11:23,782 "and he might hit you, he might kick you, 190 00:11:23,817 --> 00:11:25,784 he might beat you." 191 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:34,993 ANTHONY HARRIS: My grandfather, he would take me with him 192 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:37,862 to downtown Hattiesburg to pay bills. 193 00:11:37,898 --> 00:11:40,932 And I remember my grandfather wore a straw hat 194 00:11:40,967 --> 00:11:44,569 with this colorful blue band around the hat. 195 00:11:44,604 --> 00:11:48,440 And as a white person approached us 196 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:51,576 on the sidewalk or crosswalk, he would tip his hat 197 00:11:51,611 --> 00:11:55,814 in what I would call an extra show of deference. 198 00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:59,617 And by the time my grandfather and I reached back to his house, 199 00:11:59,653 --> 00:12:02,554 we had bowed so many times to white people. 200 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:06,558 They taught young kids like myself 201 00:12:06,593 --> 00:12:10,729 how to play the role of that second-class citizen. 202 00:12:12,733 --> 00:12:14,499 WALLY BUTTERWORTH: There are a lot of phonies 203 00:12:14,534 --> 00:12:16,534 who will stand up and tell you that, 204 00:12:16,570 --> 00:12:20,605 "Oh, well, all are equal in the eyes of God." 205 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:25,343 How silly can you get? 206 00:12:25,378 --> 00:12:31,382 Christ himself was the greatest teacher of segregation. 207 00:12:31,418 --> 00:12:34,085 BRUCE WATSON: Mississippi really stood like 208 00:12:34,121 --> 00:12:35,954 an island of resistance. 209 00:12:35,989 --> 00:12:39,390 There were only 6.7% of blacks who were registered to vote 210 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:40,759 prior to Freedom Summer 211 00:12:40,794 --> 00:12:45,130 compared to 50%, 60% or 70% in other southern states. 212 00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:47,665 Most of the rest of America didn't seem to care, 213 00:12:47,701 --> 00:12:49,200 and that's what Freedom Summer was about. 214 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:52,237 "If we bring white students and black students 215 00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:54,272 "from all over the country, 216 00:12:54,307 --> 00:12:56,374 "then everyone will pay attention to Mississippi. 217 00:12:56,409 --> 00:12:58,510 "We'll bring America to Mississippi 218 00:12:58,545 --> 00:13:01,212 because America is not paying attention to Mississippi." 219 00:13:03,817 --> 00:13:07,552 WILLIAM WINTER: In the '50s and '60s, 220 00:13:07,587 --> 00:13:09,988 particularly in the old plantation agricultural areas 221 00:13:10,023 --> 00:13:11,055 of the state, 222 00:13:11,091 --> 00:13:14,425 African Americans made up at least half, 223 00:13:14,461 --> 00:13:17,595 and in some cases 70% or 80% of the population. 224 00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:19,264 And, in some counties, of course, 225 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,399 there was a realistic understanding 226 00:13:21,434 --> 00:13:23,902 that if black people voted, 227 00:13:23,937 --> 00:13:26,104 they probably would be electing black officials. 228 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:30,408 A lot of white people thought that African Americans 229 00:13:30,443 --> 00:13:35,146 in the South would literally take over 230 00:13:35,182 --> 00:13:37,115 and white people would have to move, 231 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,551 they would have to get out of the state. 232 00:13:39,586 --> 00:13:42,687 WILLIAM SIMMONS: I was born in Mississippi 233 00:13:42,722 --> 00:13:46,958 and I am the product of the society in which I was raised, 234 00:13:46,993 --> 00:13:50,728 and I have a vested interest in that society, 235 00:13:50,764 --> 00:13:55,633 and I, along with a million other white Mississippians, 236 00:13:55,669 --> 00:13:58,069 will do everything in our power to protect that vested interest. 237 00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:02,273 WILLIAM SCARBOROUGH: There was no Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi 238 00:14:02,309 --> 00:14:04,509 during this early period. 239 00:14:04,544 --> 00:14:06,244 There wasn't any need for one. 240 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:09,147 The Citizens' Council was doing everything 241 00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:12,784 that the Ku Klux Klan would have done. 242 00:14:12,819 --> 00:14:14,752 There were a lot of prominent people who were members-- 243 00:14:14,788 --> 00:14:20,091 businessmen, bankers, lawyers, politicians. 244 00:14:20,126 --> 00:14:24,028 I joined it because I believed in what they were doing 245 00:14:24,064 --> 00:14:29,300 and I believed in trying to preserve the society 246 00:14:29,336 --> 00:14:31,469 in which we lived. 247 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:34,372 (fanfare playing) 248 00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:36,841 ANNOUNCER: This is the Citizens' Council Forum, 249 00:14:36,877 --> 00:14:42,180 the American viewpoint with a Southern accent. 250 00:14:45,018 --> 00:14:46,551 JOHN DITTMER: The Citizens' Council 251 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:48,119 was really running the state of Mississippi. 252 00:14:48,154 --> 00:14:51,389 It was part of the whole apparatus 253 00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:53,558 of a white supremacist society 254 00:14:53,593 --> 00:14:57,962 that you had the local police, you had the registrar, 255 00:14:57,998 --> 00:15:01,966 you had everyone involved in the Citizens' Council. 256 00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:03,968 They succeeded in preventing 257 00:15:04,004 --> 00:15:07,038 almost all blacks who attempted to register 258 00:15:07,073 --> 00:15:09,007 from registering to vote. 259 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:13,511 CHARLIE COBB: Political participation was something 260 00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:15,647 reserved for whites. 261 00:15:15,682 --> 00:15:17,215 And if blacks sought it, 262 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:22,086 they could get hurt in lots of different ways, 263 00:15:22,122 --> 00:15:24,455 ranging from economic reprisals, loss of jobs, 264 00:15:24,491 --> 00:15:26,491 or if you had a business, 265 00:15:26,526 --> 00:15:29,861 restrictions are being placed on your business, 266 00:15:29,896 --> 00:15:32,797 or if you had a loan, your loan being called in. 267 00:15:35,568 --> 00:15:37,669 JULIAN BOND: The common theory about Mississippi was 268 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:41,139 that you could not attack Mississippi from the inside. 269 00:15:41,174 --> 00:15:43,141 It had to be attacked from the outside. 270 00:15:43,176 --> 00:15:44,776 You had to stand away and say, 271 00:15:44,811 --> 00:15:46,611 "This is an awful place and it ought to fix itself." 272 00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:51,282 But Bob Moses 273 00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:53,851 and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee said, 274 00:15:53,887 --> 00:15:56,154 "No, that's not true; we can do it ourselves." 275 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,925 WATSON: Bob Moses was a high school teacher in New York City. 276 00:16:00,961 --> 00:16:02,427 He went south in 1960, 277 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:05,229 originally just feeling he had to go, had to get involved. 278 00:16:05,265 --> 00:16:08,366 SNCC sent him to Mississippi. 279 00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:12,537 He started going around on his own in the rural areas 280 00:16:12,572 --> 00:16:14,639 where people simply didn't go and challenge the status quo. 281 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:18,643 ELEANOR NORTON: What made him stand out 282 00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:25,917 was not only his sheer courage, but his calm courage. 283 00:16:25,952 --> 00:16:29,020 I can't tell you that Bob Moses was afraid, 284 00:16:29,055 --> 00:16:31,756 'cause he never showed it. 285 00:16:31,791 --> 00:16:33,891 He just went about his work 286 00:16:33,927 --> 00:16:39,397 and there was this calm sense of mission. 287 00:16:39,432 --> 00:16:43,968 IVANHOE DONALDSON: Bob went over there by himself in 1961, 288 00:16:44,004 --> 00:16:46,604 and by the end of '61, 289 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,539 maybe there were five or six SNCC people in the state. 290 00:16:48,575 --> 00:16:52,477 In '62, maybe there were 18, 19. 291 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:55,179 And in '63, maybe there were 23, 24. 292 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:56,848 And we'd have a staff meeting, 293 00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:59,150 we all could fit in one little room. 294 00:16:59,185 --> 00:17:02,053 BOB MOSES: Young people working 295 00:17:02,088 --> 00:17:04,722 with the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, 296 00:17:04,758 --> 00:17:07,025 or SNCC as we call it, 297 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:10,261 are characterized by restless energy. 298 00:17:10,296 --> 00:17:15,066 They seek radical change in race relations in the United States. 299 00:17:15,101 --> 00:17:17,268 Their world is upset, 300 00:17:17,303 --> 00:17:21,439 and they feel that if they are ever going to get it straight, 301 00:17:21,474 --> 00:17:23,474 they must upset it more. 302 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,080 NORTON: I don't want anybody to think 303 00:17:29,115 --> 00:17:33,284 that we were a bunch of really brave Negroes 304 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:36,487 running around Mississippi. 305 00:17:36,523 --> 00:17:39,023 That's not what we were. 306 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:44,062 The reason that SNCC, as it were, opened up the Delta 307 00:17:44,097 --> 00:17:46,364 is we were young and foolish. 308 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:51,502 We didn't have the very complete understanding 309 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:53,337 of what that risk was. 310 00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:05,683 But what impressed me was that there were black Mississippians 311 00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:11,489 who did know how dangerous it was. 312 00:18:14,661 --> 00:18:18,262 BOND: We met this cadre of older people who had been fighting. 313 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:21,032 They were eager for our help and glad we were there. 314 00:18:25,505 --> 00:18:30,475 MOSES: They knew that the key to unlocking Mississippi 315 00:18:30,510 --> 00:18:31,876 revolved around the vote. 316 00:18:31,911 --> 00:18:37,782 And the access for black people to power at that time 317 00:18:37,817 --> 00:18:41,052 has got to be through the vote. 318 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:47,525 What was useful was that 319 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:53,231 I was open and accustomed to listening. 320 00:18:55,435 --> 00:18:58,269 COBB: What we were trying to do was to organize 321 00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:01,539 these communities to take possession of their own lives. 322 00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:07,645 For the last hundred years, the ability of black people 323 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,150 to control their own destiny had been taken away from them. 324 00:19:18,424 --> 00:19:19,624 Hi. 325 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:20,625 Hey, how are you? 326 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:21,692 All right. 327 00:19:21,728 --> 00:19:23,161 I'm Idel Crest and I'm working 328 00:19:23,196 --> 00:19:24,395 for the board of registration... 329 00:19:24,430 --> 00:19:26,397 WATKINS: When I got hooked up with Bob Moses, 330 00:19:26,432 --> 00:19:30,067 it was very simple: go out through the community, 331 00:19:30,103 --> 00:19:32,770 you knock on doors, talk to people. 332 00:19:32,805 --> 00:19:35,506 The only way to better your life 333 00:19:35,542 --> 00:19:38,342 and better the lives of your children 334 00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:40,077 is to go down and register to vote. 335 00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:41,512 If you're not a registered voter, 336 00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:43,447 you're not a first-class citizen. 337 00:19:43,483 --> 00:19:46,517 CHARLES McLAURIN: We would tell them that if they registered 338 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:49,220 and voted, they could elect the sheriff, 339 00:19:49,255 --> 00:19:52,857 and that the intimidation 340 00:19:52,892 --> 00:19:56,093 on the part of the sheriff's office and his deputies, 341 00:19:56,129 --> 00:19:57,862 they could change that. 342 00:19:57,897 --> 00:20:00,364 One of the things that I always tell them 343 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,700 is that we could stop Mr. Charlie from lynching us. 344 00:20:02,735 --> 00:20:06,404 COBB: You're sitting on front porches 345 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:09,273 or you're walking out into a cotton field, 346 00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:12,944 or maybe you're at the juke joint having a beer. 347 00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:19,984 What we were doing was embedding ourselves in these communities. 348 00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:21,352 You have your certificate 349 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:23,120 showing that you are a registered voter? 350 00:20:23,156 --> 00:20:24,388 They haven't given it to me yet. 351 00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:26,524 Well, you aren't a registered voter, mister. 352 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,227 We want you to come down to the courthouse tomorrow. 353 00:20:29,262 --> 00:20:30,228 COBB: Immediately what you found out 354 00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:31,696 you were dealing with was fear. 355 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:34,232 WOMAN: So why not go tomorrow? 356 00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:37,134 We will furnish your transportation, 357 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:39,470 so that's no excuse. 358 00:20:39,505 --> 00:20:42,340 COBB: They would say, "You're right, boy. 359 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:45,943 "We should be registered to vote. 360 00:20:45,979 --> 00:20:48,913 But I ain't going down there to mess with them white people." 361 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:53,551 Would you like to go to both of these polling places? 362 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,621 No. 363 00:20:56,656 --> 00:21:02,360 COBB: We did not get a large number of people 364 00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:06,430 to try and register to vote. 365 00:21:06,466 --> 00:21:09,734 And then within that small group of people 366 00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,603 who did try and register to vote, 367 00:21:12,639 --> 00:21:17,642 very few of them actually got registered to vote. 368 00:21:17,677 --> 00:21:20,278 Other people are standing in the courthouse. 369 00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:22,947 We can't see why we have to stand out here in the rain 370 00:21:22,982 --> 00:21:24,482 in order to register to vote. 371 00:21:24,517 --> 00:21:27,852 It's a denial of our constitutional right. 372 00:21:27,887 --> 00:21:29,553 CLERK: Your section of the constitution 373 00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:31,489 that I choose for you is number 48. 374 00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:34,859 DITTMER: The registrar had total control 375 00:21:34,894 --> 00:21:38,396 over who was accepted and who wasn't. 376 00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:40,865 The voting form was one of the most complicated 377 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,667 you would ever, ever have. 378 00:21:42,702 --> 00:21:45,503 And as part of that, each person would have to interpr 379 00:21:45,538 --> 00:21:48,873 a section of the state constitution. 380 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:54,478 PEGGY JEAN CONNOR: We had people who taught in colleges. 381 00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:59,216 We had people with the Ph.D.s, master's degrees, 382 00:21:59,252 --> 00:22:03,954 and they couldn't pass it. 383 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:06,057 You had to be white. 384 00:22:06,092 --> 00:22:07,525 CLERK: No, Jennings, you didn't pass it. 385 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,260 You see there? 386 00:22:09,295 --> 00:22:10,661 You didn't fill out the... 387 00:22:10,697 --> 00:22:12,129 you just filled out that part 388 00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:13,397 and look, you didn't write anything in there. 389 00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:14,765 You didn't pass it. 390 00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:19,036 ED KING: Sometimes, the sheriff would walk into the room 391 00:22:19,072 --> 00:22:22,440 while they were taking the voting test and say, 392 00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:26,510 "Annie Mae, don't you work for my mother-in-law? 393 00:22:26,546 --> 00:22:29,280 "My mother-in-law would be horrified 394 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:31,782 "if she knew you were taking this test. 395 00:22:31,818 --> 00:22:33,718 "Now, Annie Mae, I'll tell you, 396 00:22:33,753 --> 00:22:36,320 "if you'll just put that paper down, 397 00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:39,223 I'll tear it up and I won't tell my mother-in-law." 398 00:22:42,395 --> 00:22:46,297 DITTMER: In some counties, when people went in to register, 399 00:22:46,332 --> 00:22:50,167 why, their names would appear in the newspaper the next day. 400 00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:53,604 That could have recriminations for all members of their family. 401 00:22:53,639 --> 00:22:56,607 It could mean they would lose their job. 402 00:22:56,642 --> 00:23:00,311 There were real consequences to taking this risk. 403 00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:04,582 It wasn't simply that you would go down and get turned away. 404 00:23:28,207 --> 00:23:34,211 McLAURIN: On August 31, 1962, we had 18 people to register. 405 00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:37,114 Everybody went into the registrar's office, 406 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:39,617 took the literacy test, came out, 407 00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:41,452 and as we were leaving the city, 408 00:23:41,487 --> 00:23:43,888 the bus was stopped by the police 409 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:46,357 and the driver was arrested. 410 00:23:46,392 --> 00:23:48,225 Everybody on the bus was afraid. 411 00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:49,727 And then after a while, 412 00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:56,367 there was a little smooth song, you know, 413 00:23:56,402 --> 00:24:02,740 ¶ Paul and Silas bound in jail ¶ 414 00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:05,643 ¶ Had no money for to go their bail. ¶ 415 00:24:05,678 --> 00:24:09,513 And somebody said, "That's Fannie Lou Hamer." 416 00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:15,686 FANNIE LOU HAMER: I went down the 31st of August 417 00:24:15,721 --> 00:24:17,988 to try to register. 418 00:24:18,024 --> 00:24:20,458 And after I had gotten back home, 419 00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:23,761 Mr. Marlo told me that I would have to go down 420 00:24:23,796 --> 00:24:27,198 and withdraw my registration or leave, 421 00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:30,768 because they wasn't ready for that in Mississippi. 422 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:32,736 And I said, "Mr. Marlo, 423 00:24:32,772 --> 00:24:35,439 I'm trying to register for myself." 424 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:37,541 So I had to leave that same night. 425 00:24:37,577 --> 00:24:40,778 MOSES: She has this confrontation, 426 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:45,583 then leaves the plantation and comes into Ruleville 427 00:24:45,618 --> 00:24:50,688 and eventually becomes someone who is a SNCC field secretary. 428 00:24:50,723 --> 00:24:53,157 One of the important things 429 00:24:53,192 --> 00:24:55,259 about recruiting Fannie Lou Hamer 430 00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:57,394 was her ability to move people. 431 00:25:00,099 --> 00:25:04,835 Fannie Lou Hamer brought a new kind of spirit 432 00:25:04,871 --> 00:25:06,337 into the movement. 433 00:25:06,372 --> 00:25:08,906 And I think she... 434 00:25:08,941 --> 00:25:11,408 it kind of rejuvenated all of us. 435 00:25:11,444 --> 00:25:13,744 FANNIE LOU HAMER: I've been tired a long time 436 00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:15,746 in the state of Mississippi. 437 00:25:15,781 --> 00:25:20,651 Living in the county with James O. Eastland, the Senator, 438 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:26,323 Senator Stennis to go to Washington 439 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,059 and tell the people that the people of Mississippi, 440 00:25:29,095 --> 00:25:33,564 the Negroes, are getting along good and we're satisfied. 441 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:36,534 But I want him to know this, both of them: 442 00:25:36,569 --> 00:25:38,202 we're not satisfied 443 00:25:38,237 --> 00:25:40,104 and we haven't been satisfied a long time. 444 00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:42,006 HARRIS: We'd been accustomed to men 445 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,909 standing up and challenging the movement, 446 00:25:44,944 --> 00:25:47,144 but here is a woman, a black woman. 447 00:25:47,179 --> 00:25:50,814 And her message to us was, "Don't give up. 448 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,850 "Freedom is not free. 449 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:54,985 "Keep fighting, keep fighting, 450 00:25:55,021 --> 00:25:56,687 keep fighting." 451 00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:09,099 DONALDSON: As SNCC became more active in the Delta, 452 00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:10,568 the Mississippi Delta where Greenwood is, 453 00:26:10,603 --> 00:26:12,136 in the heart of Leflore County, 454 00:26:12,171 --> 00:26:17,074 we started to create visibility around voter registration 455 00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:19,476 and people started going to the courthouse. 456 00:26:19,512 --> 00:26:22,346 If people tried to vote, they would push them off the land 457 00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:24,381 so they had no place to live. 458 00:26:24,417 --> 00:26:27,051 They took away their homes. 459 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,054 African American people there who had small businesses, 460 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:31,522 the banks called their notes. 461 00:26:34,527 --> 00:26:37,094 COBB: Even though there were very few people 462 00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:40,965 being brought down to try and register to vote, 463 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,435 the white power engaged in an act of reprisal 464 00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:47,471 directed at the entire black community. 465 00:26:47,506 --> 00:26:52,509 What they did was shut down the commodities program. 466 00:26:52,545 --> 00:26:56,647 What it was was government surplus food 467 00:26:56,682 --> 00:27:00,184 that was sent to poor rural areas. 468 00:27:00,219 --> 00:27:02,486 The county said, "Well, no, we're not gonna have that," 469 00:27:02,521 --> 00:27:06,590 which is essentially put black people and poor people 470 00:27:06,626 --> 00:27:09,960 in a position where they could starve during the winter. 471 00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:12,730 And this was an especially bad winter. 472 00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:31,181 AMZIE MOORE: I just keep wondering how they're going 473 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:36,186 to eat and what they're going to wear because they have no money, 474 00:27:36,222 --> 00:27:38,522 they have no food, and they have no clothing. 475 00:27:38,557 --> 00:27:41,759 They have no way to buy food and clothing. 476 00:27:41,794 --> 00:27:45,696 We've appealed to people all over the United States 477 00:27:45,731 --> 00:27:47,531 to send food and clothing in. 478 00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:54,204 COBB: What would happen next would eventually reshape 479 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,573 the direction of the movement in Mississippi. 480 00:27:58,911 --> 00:28:02,646 Dick Gregory was then a big-time comedian, 481 00:28:02,682 --> 00:28:05,082 flies into Greenwood, Mississippi, 482 00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:10,154 in his own chartered airplane full of food to meet the need 483 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:13,357 as a result of this cut-off of commodities. 484 00:28:13,392 --> 00:28:17,127 REPORTER: Dick, how much food did you bring with you on this trip? 485 00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:20,364 We brought something like 14,000 pounds on this trip here. 486 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:24,401 Canned food, milk, baby food, cereal, 487 00:28:24,437 --> 00:28:27,471 wheat, flour, sugar, potatoes... 488 00:28:27,506 --> 00:28:30,040 DITTMER: You had the news media coming in, 489 00:28:30,076 --> 00:28:32,576 and soon these pictures were going out all over the world 490 00:28:32,611 --> 00:28:34,712 of what was happening in Greenwood, Mississippi, 491 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:36,980 where several months before 492 00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:38,716 it had been very much of a small operation 493 00:28:38,751 --> 00:28:40,484 with little visibility at all. 494 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,088 REPORTER: City officials deny the winter long cut-off 495 00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:45,756 of food allotments 496 00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:49,626 was retaliation for the Negro voting drive. 497 00:28:49,662 --> 00:28:52,696 But the sharecropper who tries to register to vote 498 00:28:52,732 --> 00:28:55,132 often faces the threat of losing his job 499 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,668 and being put off the plantation. 500 00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:00,304 Bob Clark, ABC, Greenwood, Mississippi. 501 00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:08,512 COBB: It shows us that it's possible 502 00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:13,016 to make the country pay attention to Mississippi. 503 00:29:13,052 --> 00:29:16,887 Gregory's action indicates to Mississippians 504 00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:20,390 that they didn't have to be alone. 505 00:29:22,361 --> 00:29:24,595 DONALDSON: The American people only see what's on television 506 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:26,396 at night on the evening news. 507 00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:28,999 So where Dick Gregory created a lot of drama 508 00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:32,035 and the cameras were there and then it went away, 509 00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:35,339 we wanted to figure out how to do that for the entire summer 510 00:29:35,374 --> 00:29:38,675 to invite the children of America into Mississippi 511 00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:40,511 so that they'd pay attention 512 00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,012 to wt was going on in Mississippi. 513 00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:47,885 And from that, Mississippi Summer Project evolved. 514 00:29:57,429 --> 00:30:00,631 COBB: Most of the organizers in Mississippi 515 00:30:00,666 --> 00:30:06,970 were opposed to the idea of the Mississippi Summer Project, 516 00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:08,772 which meant essentially bringing down... 517 00:30:08,808 --> 00:30:10,541 I think the number we were talking about 518 00:30:10,576 --> 00:30:12,209 was roughly 1,000 students. 519 00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:17,114 I was one the people who was opposed to Freedom Summer. 520 00:30:35,234 --> 00:30:37,968 KING: People in the movement were willing to die, 521 00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:40,671 but we didn't want to die in obscurity. 522 00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:43,507 So if we brought in students, 523 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:47,344 their colleges, their parents would focus on Mississippi. 524 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:51,148 I supported bringing the volunteers in. 525 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,653 COBB: The experience of people like Mrs. Hamer 526 00:30:56,689 --> 00:31:03,360 was that people coming from the outside was a good thing. 527 00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:06,396 Mrs. Hamer backed me up into a corner and said, 528 00:31:06,432 --> 00:31:08,832 "Well, Charlie, I'm glad you came. 529 00:31:08,868 --> 00:31:13,103 "What's the problem with having more people come? 530 00:31:13,138 --> 00:31:16,073 How can you be opposed?" 531 00:31:16,108 --> 00:31:20,110 And eventually we decided to go ahead with Freedom Summer. 532 00:31:24,516 --> 00:31:27,484 Once the decision was made to have a summer project, 533 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,822 there's a series of meetings and discussions going on then 534 00:31:31,857 --> 00:31:35,993 about what the summer project is going to do. 535 00:31:36,028 --> 00:31:37,761 REPORTER: The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, 536 00:31:37,796 --> 00:31:39,997 a militant group in the South... 537 00:31:40,032 --> 00:31:41,999 Well, there were three components of Freedom Summer. 538 00:31:42,034 --> 00:31:43,667 One was voter registration, 539 00:31:43,702 --> 00:31:45,435 which would be going door-to-door, 540 00:31:45,471 --> 00:31:48,472 knocking on doors and asking people 541 00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,607 if they were willing to go down to the courthouse 542 00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:52,976 to register to vote. 543 00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:56,613 The second and very important component of Freedom Summer 544 00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:58,882 were the freedom schools. 545 00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:01,118 They would teach things that were not taught 546 00:32:01,153 --> 00:32:03,053 in black schools in Mississippi. 547 00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:04,588 Black schools in Mississippi 548 00:32:04,623 --> 00:32:06,023 couldn't teach about black history. 549 00:32:06,058 --> 00:32:08,091 They couldn't teach about black literature. 550 00:32:08,127 --> 00:32:11,028 So freedom schools were set up to do exactly that. 551 00:32:11,063 --> 00:32:12,930 And finally there was 552 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:15,232 the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 553 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,901 It was a parallel political party which basically said that, 554 00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,304 "We will send our own delegates 555 00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:23,340 to the Democratic National Convention in Atlantic City 556 00:32:23,375 --> 00:32:26,009 "at the end of August, and we will challenge 557 00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:29,680 "the all-white delegation to see who would represent 558 00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:32,716 the state of Mississippi at the convention." 559 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,187 White Mississippians believed that 560 00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:39,890 what was going to happen in the summer of '64 561 00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:41,558 was something that not only they had to be 562 00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:43,660 psychologically prepared for, 563 00:32:43,696 --> 00:32:46,563 they had to be militarily prepared for it as well. 564 00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:49,032 It shows you the hysteria that was evident 565 00:32:49,068 --> 00:32:51,935 in much of white Mississippi. 566 00:32:51,971 --> 00:32:54,237 REPORTER: In Jackson, Mississippi, 567 00:32:54,273 --> 00:32:58,375 a city of 100,000 whites, 50,000 Negroes, 568 00:32:58,410 --> 00:33:02,713 the mayor has prepared for this summer's activity 569 00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:04,915 by increasing the police forces, 570 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:07,484 by passing new ordinances against demonstrations, 571 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,686 and by purchasing a steel-plated vehicle, 572 00:33:09,722 --> 00:33:13,256 a riot control car known locally as Thompson's Tank, 573 00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:17,728 named for Mayor Allen Thompson. 574 00:33:17,763 --> 00:33:22,432 We are prepared to take care of any law violations 575 00:33:22,468 --> 00:33:24,134 to keep down violence. 576 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:26,603 REPORTER: In addition to Thompson's Tank, 577 00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:30,574 armor plated and equipped with nine machine gun positions, 578 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:32,376 the arsenal includes cage trucks 579 00:33:32,411 --> 00:33:34,544 for transporting masses of arrested violators, 580 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,346 search light trucks, 581 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,415 each of which can light three city blocks 582 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,351 in case of night riots... 583 00:33:41,387 --> 00:33:43,153 (gunfire) 584 00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:45,522 The Citizens' Council had convinced people 585 00:33:45,557 --> 00:33:49,860 that the Klan wasn't necessary, that it was bad publicity, 586 00:33:49,895 --> 00:33:53,030 and that they could keep schools from being desegregated, 587 00:33:53,065 --> 00:33:55,932 they could keep lunch counters from being integrated. 588 00:33:55,968 --> 00:34:00,137 But by 1964, when they see the volunteers for Freedom Summer, 589 00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:02,672 it was clear that they couldn't, 590 00:34:02,708 --> 00:34:05,275 and that's when the Klan starts to ride. 591 00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:12,282 WATSON: The Klan rose up as one in Mississippi. 592 00:34:12,317 --> 00:34:14,551 One night in April of 1964, 593 00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:17,287 crosses were burned all over Mississippi. 594 00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:20,891 They claimed that they had 90,000 members, 595 00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,493 and they were going to resist what the Klan called 596 00:34:23,529 --> 00:34:26,296 the "Nigger-Communist Invasion of Mississippi." 597 00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:28,565 So Mississippi, on the eve of Freedom Summer, 598 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,067 was on a hair trigger. 599 00:34:35,607 --> 00:34:37,474 SCHWERNER: There was very much a recognition 600 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,810 and a debate about, 601 00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:44,214 is it responsible to bring all those kids into the state, 602 00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:49,586 most of whom are probably far too naive 603 00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:54,524 to understand what they were getting into 604 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,361 in terms of the violent nature of the place? 605 00:34:58,397 --> 00:35:03,700 Are you doing this to use people as fodder? 606 00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:08,839 The thought was, "Well, you know, 607 00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:12,309 "we'll do this orientation at Oxford, Ohio, 608 00:35:12,344 --> 00:35:15,946 "and we'll try and tell these kids what they're getting into 609 00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:20,117 and ke it clear that they really don't have to go." 610 00:35:20,152 --> 00:35:22,319 But you know, I don't know that 611 00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:27,124 that really could begin to prepare people. 612 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,360 SIMMONS: My grandmother said, 613 00:35:30,395 --> 00:35:33,163 "We've heard that you're planning on doing something 614 00:35:33,198 --> 00:35:34,965 "really crazy-- 615 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,535 "going to Mississippi with those SNCC folk-- 616 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:41,037 and I'm never gonna permit it." 617 00:35:41,073 --> 00:35:44,741 LINDA WETMORE HALPERN: We went to Oxford. 618 00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:47,811 A group of us from Massachusetts met in Boston. 619 00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:53,884 We drove across, sharing driving for different hours. 620 00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:56,419 We drove straight through, people sleeping. 621 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:58,788 I know I drove very fast. 622 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:03,960 Several of us drove up to Oxford 623 00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:10,200 in the blue station wagon that we used in Meridian. 624 00:36:10,235 --> 00:36:16,740 SIMMONS: With my grandmother, my mom and dad pleading, 625 00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:20,010 threatening, I just said, "I'm leaving." 626 00:36:20,045 --> 00:36:22,913 A girlfriend drove me to the bus station, 627 00:36:22,948 --> 00:36:26,449 and my grandmother's parting words were, 628 00:36:26,485 --> 00:36:28,685 "If you leave, don't ever come back." 629 00:36:35,227 --> 00:36:37,294 SUSAN BROWNMILLER: I remember one young woman saying, 630 00:36:37,329 --> 00:36:42,866 "We're gonna settle this problem and then it's on to the Indians 631 00:36:42,901 --> 00:36:44,768 and we're gonna settle that, too." 632 00:36:44,803 --> 00:36:48,605 I mean, there was that kind of unbelievable idealism. 633 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,543 SIMMONS: I can remember people saying, 634 00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:54,611 "Well, how bad can it be?" 635 00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:57,814 You know, because they had no idea. 636 00:36:57,849 --> 00:37:03,987 And even I didn't think that they might be beaten or killed. 637 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:07,457 And, in fact, that was one of the ways 638 00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:09,826 that I sort of calmed my fears. 639 00:37:09,861 --> 00:37:14,831 I thought that their presence would be a mediating factor. 640 00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:24,307 MOSES: The SNCC field secretaries arrive in Ohio 641 00:37:24,343 --> 00:37:28,178 and, in some senses, it's oil and water. 642 00:37:31,049 --> 00:37:35,919 So it erupts, you know, one-on-one 643 00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:38,488 in different kinds of interactions 644 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:41,458 between the students and the field secretaries. 645 00:37:41,493 --> 00:37:45,996 COBB: The need for the volunteers 646 00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:48,365 and the presence for the volunteers 647 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,068 represented our inability, after three years, 648 00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:57,307 to make significant inroads into changing Mississippi. 649 00:37:57,342 --> 00:38:01,011 So we had to reach out to this larger group, 650 00:38:01,046 --> 00:38:03,446 which was predominantly white. 651 00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:09,919 And many of us were still not entirely comfortable with it. 652 00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:12,455 CHRIS WILLIAMS: The tension between the volunteers 653 00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:14,057 and the SNCC staff, 654 00:38:14,092 --> 00:38:18,728 who was almost entirely black, became evident right away. 655 00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:20,764 They were like, 656 00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:22,899 "We're going to take these greenhorns back to Mississippi 657 00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:28,071 and be the tip of the spear of the civil rights movement," 658 00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:31,908 and these people are likely to get us killed 659 00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:33,877 because they don't know where they're about to do. 660 00:38:33,912 --> 00:38:35,512 And they're saying, 661 00:38:35,547 --> 00:38:38,014 "These people look like they're just about beyond hope." 662 00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:41,751 SNCC WORKER: The police are going to harass you. 663 00:38:41,787 --> 00:38:44,587 They're going to pick you up on the road, 664 00:38:44,623 --> 00:38:47,791 they're gonna put trumped-up charges on you 665 00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:49,893 and you're gonna wind up in jail. 666 00:38:49,928 --> 00:38:51,594 I suggest we be a little more serious about this thing. 667 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:55,665 SIMMONS: One of the things that was done at the orientation 668 00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:59,302 was to instruct the white students particularly 669 00:38:59,338 --> 00:39:01,771 that you're going into a situation 670 00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:05,208 where you will have to follow the directions of black people. 671 00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:07,744 You will be living in black homes. 672 00:39:07,779 --> 00:39:13,583 You will have to live according to the way they live. 673 00:39:13,618 --> 00:39:17,287 Your life will depend upon you following directions, 674 00:39:17,322 --> 00:39:19,489 and, of course, these white students 675 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,525 had never been in a situation like this. 676 00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:27,797 (fanfare playing) 677 00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:30,700 BOND: In order to orientate the Freedom Summer workers, 678 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:33,803 we showed them this movie. 679 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,939 It featured Theron Lynd, 680 00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:38,375 who is the registrar in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. 681 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,243 REPORTER: Theron C. Lynd, 682 00:39:40,278 --> 00:39:42,645 circuit clerk and voting registrar 683 00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:44,314 of Forest County, Mississippi, 684 00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:49,386 is one of the most powerful men in America. 685 00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:53,556 He and the 81 other county registrars in Mississippi 686 00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:55,692 have the power under state law 687 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:59,429 to decide who can and who cannot vote. 688 00:39:59,464 --> 00:40:05,001 Theron Lynd is your stereotypical racist bad guy-- 689 00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:10,073 a big, burly, cigar-chomping, tobacco-chewing, 690 00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:13,176 aggressively racist white man. 691 00:40:13,211 --> 00:40:14,377 THERON LYND: That's right, that's a section 692 00:40:14,413 --> 00:40:17,180 of the constitution of the state of Mississippi. 693 00:40:17,215 --> 00:40:20,784 Then when you get over here and answer the question 19... 694 00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:25,755 COBB: And the summer volunteers see him and start to laugh. 695 00:40:25,791 --> 00:40:29,559 People coming up from Mississippi 696 00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:31,661 were tired, exhausted, 697 00:40:31,696 --> 00:40:34,664 suspicious of the summer project. 698 00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:38,635 So the reaction to that laughter was hostile. 699 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:42,672 "You're not taking Mississippi seriously. 700 00:40:42,707 --> 00:40:45,108 "You think this is something funny, 701 00:40:45,143 --> 00:40:47,577 "something to be laughed at. 702 00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:50,847 No, what you're looking at has cost people their lives." 703 00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:55,618 SUGARMAN: When the lights came up, the young SNCC leaders said, 704 00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:58,855 "We have to know you, we have to love you, 705 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:01,858 but we don't understand you." 706 00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:05,695 They really were furious, 707 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:08,898 and went on at great length to say, 708 00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:10,567 "You're coming out of a different place. 709 00:41:10,602 --> 00:41:14,537 I don't know if you should be going with us." 710 00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:17,540 These white kids were unsteady vessels. 711 00:41:17,576 --> 00:41:19,776 They weren't at all sure 712 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,979 that these were the allies they wanted. 713 00:41:28,153 --> 00:41:30,320 WATSON: They stayed in the auditorium for a few hours 714 00:41:30,355 --> 00:41:33,923 talking and arguing, and they really went at it, 715 00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:37,494 but I think it really broke the tension. 716 00:41:37,529 --> 00:41:39,996 It brought out these underlying resentments. 717 00:41:40,031 --> 00:41:42,098 It brought out the differences between the two 718 00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:43,833 and it highlighted them. 719 00:41:43,869 --> 00:41:46,035 And, above all, it brought out the fact that 720 00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:47,737 they were all in this together. 721 00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,650 And from then on, a lot of the tension was broken 722 00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:03,019 and they realized that they were really one in this 723 00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:05,555 and that they were going to go down and do this together. 724 00:42:21,273 --> 00:42:23,973 SCHWERNER: At the end of the first week, 725 00:42:24,009 --> 00:42:26,342 we got a call in Oxford. 726 00:42:26,378 --> 00:42:30,880 People at the Mount Zion Church had been beaten up badly 727 00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:33,950 and the church was burned. 728 00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:37,153 My husband Mickey and James Chaney decided 729 00:42:37,188 --> 00:42:39,722 that they needed to go right away 730 00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:41,457 to see how people were 731 00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:46,729 and to provide whatever support they could. 732 00:42:51,469 --> 00:42:53,736 Andy Goodman was going to be one of the volunteers 733 00:42:53,772 --> 00:42:56,472 working out of the Meridian office, 734 00:42:56,508 --> 00:43:03,746 so they decided that all three of them would go. 735 00:43:03,782 --> 00:43:07,650 We were in the dorm room that we had been assigned 736 00:43:07,686 --> 00:43:09,385 and Mickey kissed me goodbye 737 00:43:09,421 --> 00:43:11,988 and said, "I'll see you at the end of the week," and left. 738 00:43:12,023 --> 00:43:15,792 And they drove down in the blue station wagon. 739 00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:22,865 READER: "Dear Mom and Dad, 740 00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:26,336 "I have arrived safely in Meridian, Mississippi. 741 00:43:26,371 --> 00:43:29,305 "This is a wonderful town and the weather is fine. 742 00:43:29,341 --> 00:43:32,742 "I wish you were here. 743 00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:34,744 "The people in the city are wonderful, 744 00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:37,213 "and our reception was very good. 745 00:43:37,248 --> 00:43:42,218 All my love, Andy." 746 00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:43,386 It was close to around 6:00 or 7:00, 747 00:43:43,421 --> 00:43:46,522 around 6:00 or 7:00 in the evening. 748 00:43:46,558 --> 00:43:50,960 And a call came in from the Meridian people wanting... 749 00:43:50,996 --> 00:43:55,732 They had not heard from Mickey and James Chaney. 750 00:43:55,767 --> 00:43:59,535 I just knew that something had to be wrong. 751 00:44:02,607 --> 00:44:04,474 SCHWERNER: It was early Monday morning 752 00:44:04,509 --> 00:44:07,877 around 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning 753 00:44:07,912 --> 00:44:15,585 when someone came to the dorm room that I was using 754 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:22,191 and woke me to say that the men had not returned, 755 00:44:22,227 --> 00:44:26,462 and that was how I first heard of it. 756 00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:39,342 SIMMONS: Everybody was to come into the auditorium for this session. 757 00:44:39,377 --> 00:44:44,013 They had this extremely solemn look on their faces. 758 00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:49,285 And then they told us that three workers 759 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,456 who had been at the orientation and had left early, 760 00:44:53,491 --> 00:44:56,492 they had disappeared. 761 00:45:00,598 --> 00:45:03,633 SCHWERNER: I urged people to contact their families 762 00:45:03,668 --> 00:45:07,103 and have their families contact their congressional people 763 00:45:07,138 --> 00:45:12,041 to indicate that we believed 764 00:45:12,077 --> 00:45:13,710 that there certainly was a possibility, 765 00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:19,849 given the fact that so many hours had gone by and... 766 00:45:19,884 --> 00:45:22,819 that they couldn't be located, 767 00:45:22,854 --> 00:45:26,122 that they might have been killed. 768 00:45:26,157 --> 00:45:27,824 NEWSCASTER (on TV): The three civil rights workers 769 00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:29,826 who disappeared in Mississippi last Sunday night 770 00:45:29,861 --> 00:45:31,461 still have not been heard from. 771 00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:34,897 A search has thus far produced only one clue, 772 00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:36,199 the burned-out station wagon in which the three 773 00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:38,067 were last seen riding. 774 00:45:38,103 --> 00:45:39,969 Andrew Goodman, a 20-year-old college student 775 00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:41,504 from New York... 776 00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:45,842 SIMMONS: Learning that three of our members, 777 00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:49,679 two of whom were white, had disappeared, 778 00:45:49,714 --> 00:45:52,915 really blew away all my ideas 779 00:45:52,951 --> 00:45:56,953 that possibly we would have protection from the fact 780 00:45:56,988 --> 00:46:01,491 that the majority of the summer volunteers were white. 781 00:46:01,526 --> 00:46:04,026 I knew now that that was not the case, 782 00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:07,764 that everybody was in grave danger 783 00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:11,367 and that these Mississippians would kill all of us, 784 00:46:11,402 --> 00:46:14,203 white and black. 785 00:46:19,744 --> 00:46:22,645 WETMORE: Bob said that, "There is no guarantee 786 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,251 "that you will get out of this summer alive, so just know that. 787 00:46:28,286 --> 00:46:31,220 It's up to you if you want to continue on." 788 00:46:31,256 --> 00:46:35,925 So he left us all to the phones, and we all went. 789 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,229 We were told to call home. 790 00:46:40,265 --> 00:46:41,931 REPORTER: Did you talk this over with your parents 791 00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:43,065 before you made the decision? 792 00:46:43,101 --> 00:46:44,801 Yes, I discussed it with them. 793 00:46:44,836 --> 00:46:48,738 They felt, of course, what I feel, 794 00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:51,841 and that is fear of what might happen there. 795 00:46:51,876 --> 00:46:57,713 My mother and father did not ask me to come home. 796 00:46:57,749 --> 00:47:00,650 They asked me to do what I thought was right. 797 00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:05,755 So I boarded the buses. 798 00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:11,694 WOMAN: ¶ I'm goin' down to Mississippi ¶ 799 00:47:11,729 --> 00:47:17,333 ¶ I'm goin' down a Southern road ¶ 800 00:47:17,368 --> 00:47:23,673 ¶ And if you never see me again ¶ 801 00:47:23,708 --> 00:47:29,345 ¶ Remember that I had to go ¶ 802 00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:36,085 ¶ Remember that I had to go ¶ 803 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:42,458 ¶ It's a long road down the Mississippi ¶ 804 00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:48,998 ¶ It's a short road back the other way ¶ 805 00:47:49,033 --> 00:47:52,568 ¶ If the cops pull you over... ¶ 806 00:47:52,604 --> 00:47:54,237 WILLIAMS: We came down the interstate 807 00:47:54,272 --> 00:47:56,873 from Memphis into Mississippi. 808 00:47:56,908 --> 00:47:59,942 It must have been about 4:00 in the morning. 809 00:47:59,978 --> 00:48:03,412 There was a billboard right at the state line that said, 810 00:48:03,448 --> 00:48:06,649 "Welcome to Mississippi, the Magnolia State." 811 00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:10,820 And of course there was a little bit of dread in seeing that, 812 00:48:10,855 --> 00:48:13,089 but what was more significant 813 00:48:13,124 --> 00:48:16,392 was that there were two Mississippi highway patrol cars 814 00:48:16,427 --> 00:48:17,994 parked under the sign, 815 00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:21,297 and as the buses came by they pulled out and followed us. 816 00:48:21,332 --> 00:48:25,401 So at some level they knew exactly when we were coming. 817 00:48:25,436 --> 00:48:28,271 WOMAN: ¶ For an out-of-state car ¶ 818 00:48:28,306 --> 00:48:35,211 ¶ And he thinks he's fightin' for his land... ¶ 819 00:48:35,246 --> 00:48:39,916 MOSES: What really is important is that they get down 820 00:48:39,951 --> 00:48:44,854 and kind of just melt away into the black population. 821 00:48:50,528 --> 00:48:54,397 If we could just get everybody through the entry point 822 00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:57,033 and into the community, 823 00:48:57,068 --> 00:49:02,171 the black community will house them and also harbor them. 824 00:49:06,344 --> 00:49:09,845 BOND: The genius of the Freedom Summer is that these volunteers 825 00:49:09,881 --> 00:49:14,350 were spread all over the state. 826 00:49:14,385 --> 00:49:16,786 The Freedom Summer workers are everywhere. 827 00:49:16,821 --> 00:49:19,455 They are in almost every little big town. 828 00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:22,625 Almost every place where you can go, they are there. 829 00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:25,194 REPORTER: Yesterday the first 200 civil rights workers 830 00:49:25,229 --> 00:49:27,797 arrived in Mississippi and fanned out over the state. 831 00:49:27,832 --> 00:49:29,932 Another 800 will follow. 832 00:49:29,968 --> 00:49:32,134 The students were assigned living quarters in Negro homes 833 00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,037 from a central office. 834 00:49:35,073 --> 00:49:37,340 When Charles and Doug came by the house and told us 835 00:49:37,375 --> 00:49:38,607 that they need some homes 836 00:49:38,643 --> 00:49:40,176 for the civil rights workers to live, 837 00:49:40,211 --> 00:49:42,111 I said, "Well, I don't have much room, 838 00:49:42,146 --> 00:49:44,046 but yeah, we'll be happy to do it, you know," 839 00:49:44,082 --> 00:49:45,815 and then I told my husband about it. 840 00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:48,484 He said, "Yeah, they can stay here." 841 00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:55,124 I felt the time had come to help make a change. 842 00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,460 I had three sons and I didn't want them to go through 843 00:49:57,495 --> 00:49:59,628 what I had gone through and what I had seen. 844 00:49:59,664 --> 00:50:03,165 So I was determined to help make a change. 845 00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:05,401 Say, "Well, they'll have to take the twin beds 846 00:50:05,436 --> 00:50:08,104 and the boys have to double up." 847 00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:10,906 They were happy to know that somebody was coming from... 848 00:50:10,942 --> 00:50:12,541 All we have to do is say, "from the North." 849 00:50:12,577 --> 00:50:15,778 (laughs) 850 00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:17,813 HARRIS: We were now going to have a white person 851 00:50:17,849 --> 00:50:18,881 living in our house. 852 00:50:18,916 --> 00:50:22,184 So it was a special time, it was an exciting time. 853 00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:24,754 We weren't sure what they were going to be like 854 00:50:24,789 --> 00:50:28,057 because even though we had seen white people on television 855 00:50:28,092 --> 00:50:29,358 and in person, 856 00:50:29,394 --> 00:50:31,027 but to actually have someone living in our home, 857 00:50:31,062 --> 00:50:34,296 to spend time with us, to share meals together, 858 00:50:34,332 --> 00:50:36,832 that was a much different type of relationship 859 00:50:36,868 --> 00:50:41,737 than what we had been accustomed to. 860 00:50:41,773 --> 00:50:45,841 ROSCOE JONES: They became a part of the black community. 861 00:50:45,877 --> 00:50:47,810 I don't know of any place that they could run 862 00:50:47,845 --> 00:50:50,546 into a white neighborhood and be accepted 863 00:50:50,581 --> 00:50:52,214 because they were outsiders. 864 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:56,585 They became the closest thing to being a part 865 00:50:56,621 --> 00:50:59,255 of the black community as anybody can be 866 00:50:59,290 --> 00:51:02,291 because they had no choice. 867 00:51:02,326 --> 00:51:03,893 REPORTER: Walt Kaufman, you're from California. 868 00:51:03,928 --> 00:51:07,096 What's it like to come into a situation such as exists here 869 00:51:07,131 --> 00:51:08,364 in Neshoba County, 870 00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:12,001 and as a white man come to work for the project? 871 00:51:12,036 --> 00:51:14,703 Well, what I'm most impressed with is the response 872 00:51:14,739 --> 00:51:19,108 of the people here who have been intimidated and terrorized 873 00:51:19,143 --> 00:51:23,612 for years and who know that our presence here probably poses 874 00:51:23,648 --> 00:51:25,281 some danger for them 875 00:51:25,316 --> 00:51:27,249 and yet they've shown tremendous courage 876 00:51:27,285 --> 00:51:29,985 and amazing hospitality to us. 877 00:51:30,021 --> 00:51:33,956 They've helped to feed us, they've encouraged us, 878 00:51:33,991 --> 00:51:38,928 they've warmed us with their... just friendship and smiles. 879 00:51:38,963 --> 00:51:42,798 And it's an extremely impressive experience to me. 880 00:51:42,834 --> 00:51:44,900 SUGARMAN: Everybody knew that we were going home 881 00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:46,268 at the end of the summer. 882 00:51:46,304 --> 00:51:50,739 The people that took us in were going to stay. 883 00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:57,046 So they were there for the reprisals, for the anger 884 00:51:57,081 --> 00:51:58,814 that the white community had all the power 885 00:51:58,850 --> 00:52:02,251 to bring to bear on them. 886 00:52:02,286 --> 00:52:05,054 And they did it because they really believed 887 00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:07,590 that we were there to help, 888 00:52:07,625 --> 00:52:12,661 and they'd never seen white people who had come to help 889 00:52:12,697 --> 00:52:16,499 in their whole lives. 890 00:52:38,556 --> 00:52:41,157 SIMMONS: One of the most wonderful things 891 00:52:41,192 --> 00:52:44,360 about 1964 Mississippi Summer were the freedom schools. 892 00:52:46,097 --> 00:52:50,199 COBB: The state of Mississippi deliberately and systematically 893 00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:55,004 kept black people uneducated and ignorant, 894 00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,607 and then turned around and made education a requirement 895 00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:03,746 in order to participate in the political process. 896 00:53:03,781 --> 00:53:08,651 We were able to do the freedom schools in the summer of 1964 897 00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:14,023 because we had almost 1,000 students coming 898 00:53:14,058 --> 00:53:16,759 to the state of Mississippi, thus the human resources 899 00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:20,829 to actually, you know, conduct classes. 900 00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:23,432 MALE VOLUNTEER: We hope to find and develop 901 00:53:23,467 --> 00:53:28,437 and mold local leadership among the young people. 902 00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:32,141 We also hope to promote a better self-image 903 00:53:32,176 --> 00:53:34,343 among the local Negroes. 904 00:53:38,516 --> 00:53:43,118 JONES: We would send out mass flyers and everything 905 00:53:43,154 --> 00:53:44,653 to the churches, 906 00:53:44,689 --> 00:53:47,089 telling people about the freedom school, 907 00:53:47,124 --> 00:53:50,292 what the freedom school was going to entail, 908 00:53:50,328 --> 00:53:54,730 the courses, the activities. 909 00:53:54,765 --> 00:53:58,167 We got the preachers involved, we got the kids involved. 910 00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:11,180 McLAURIN: Black people couldn't go to the library. 911 00:54:11,215 --> 00:54:12,948 It was for whites only, 912 00:54:12,984 --> 00:54:16,252 and so here they are, got their own library now. 913 00:54:16,287 --> 00:54:19,021 They would come excited to be exposed 914 00:54:19,056 --> 00:54:23,492 to the teaching and to browse the books. 915 00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:27,263 HARRIS: In the public schools where I was in school, 916 00:54:27,298 --> 00:54:31,066 I had never heard of Dr. Seuss. 917 00:54:31,102 --> 00:54:34,803 It was at freedom school where we actually not only read 918 00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:39,308 the story of The Cat in the Hat, but we acted it out. 919 00:54:39,343 --> 00:54:42,344 Having our lives enriched by these activities 920 00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:46,749 really made a huge difference in my life. 921 00:54:50,254 --> 00:54:54,890 SIMMONS: We taught African-American history, civics, 922 00:54:54,925 --> 00:54:57,960 African culture, African dance. 923 00:54:57,995 --> 00:55:01,196 They were learning black history 924 00:55:01,232 --> 00:55:04,700 that they were reading books that had been written by blacks 925 00:55:04,735 --> 00:55:06,468 that they'd never heard of. 926 00:55:06,504 --> 00:55:09,538 How were slaves first introduced in America? 927 00:55:09,573 --> 00:55:12,474 MALE VOLUNTEER: As we saw back on this world map over here, 928 00:55:12,510 --> 00:55:16,178 America started picking up slaves along here 929 00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:17,846 and then bringing them back. 930 00:55:17,882 --> 00:55:19,415 CHRIS HEXTER: What we were trying to do that summer 931 00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:21,317 is get people to talk about their own lives, 932 00:55:21,352 --> 00:55:25,054 talk about good and bad, and talk about ways 933 00:55:25,089 --> 00:55:27,189 in which you could bring about change. 934 00:55:27,224 --> 00:55:30,926 I think that was very much the drive of the program. 935 00:55:30,961 --> 00:55:32,861 FEMALE VOLUNTEER: They had a sense of being needed 936 00:55:32,897 --> 00:55:34,763 by something much bigger than themselves 937 00:55:34,799 --> 00:55:37,066 and a sense of being able to handle the problems 938 00:55:37,101 --> 00:55:38,600 that they were needed for. 939 00:55:38,636 --> 00:55:41,503 They did it by asking questions 940 00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:45,107 and by being encouraged to feel free to ask questions. 941 00:55:51,449 --> 00:55:52,815 HEXTER: They were rarin' to go. 942 00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:57,219 We were just kind of like the catalyst. 943 00:55:57,254 --> 00:56:05,227 We were agents of information and agents of a different world, 944 00:56:05,262 --> 00:56:07,763 so I mean just the very fact that we were talking 945 00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:09,965 about a world that they didn't know, 946 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,000 or didn't have much experience with 947 00:56:12,036 --> 00:56:17,673 was exciting to them and also to us. 948 00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:21,777 McLAURIN: We set them up for the little children to come, 949 00:56:21,812 --> 00:56:25,848 and every day we'd have classrooms of adults, 950 00:56:25,883 --> 00:56:30,686 people 50, 60 and 70 years of age. 951 00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:33,989 The adults came to the freedom school to learn 952 00:56:34,024 --> 00:56:35,457 just like the little children. 953 00:56:40,398 --> 00:56:43,665 HARRIS: Being in freedom school planted a seed in my mind 954 00:56:43,701 --> 00:56:46,568 that things are going to change, 955 00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,337 things are going to be different. 956 00:56:48,372 --> 00:56:51,073 And Freedom Summer helped to give us that courage, 957 00:56:51,108 --> 00:56:53,776 it helped to give us that hope, it helped to give us 958 00:56:53,811 --> 00:56:57,713 the reason to believe that it was going to be different. 959 00:57:07,224 --> 00:57:09,258 REPORTER: This is backwoods Mississippi 960 00:57:09,293 --> 00:57:11,660 and its 2.5 million acres of swamp. 961 00:57:11,695 --> 00:57:13,128 Damp and clammy country, 962 00:57:13,164 --> 00:57:15,197 as hostile as the attitude of its white people 963 00:57:15,232 --> 00:57:16,698 to civil rights. 964 00:57:16,734 --> 00:57:19,735 The green slime that sprawls for miles may hide forever 965 00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:23,272 what's happened to Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner. 966 00:57:23,307 --> 00:57:25,641 As the search for the men intensifies in the swamps, 967 00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,509 there are those in Mississippi who do not seem disposed 968 00:57:27,545 --> 00:57:29,645 to see this as a personal tragedy. 969 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,484 One of them is Mississippi's former governor Ross Barnett. 970 00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:39,388 We will treat anyone with great respect here in Mississippi, 971 00:57:39,423 --> 00:57:43,926 anyone who comes here, as long as they do not disobey our laws, 972 00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:48,063 but we will treat the people who come here, these children, 973 00:57:48,098 --> 00:57:50,766 like any other backward children. 974 00:57:50,801 --> 00:57:55,037 MAN: ¶ Go, Mississippi ¶ 975 00:57:55,072 --> 00:57:59,074 ¶ Keep rolling along ¶ 976 00:57:59,109 --> 00:58:01,844 ¶ Go, Mississippi ¶ 977 00:58:01,879 --> 00:58:05,881 ¶ You cannot be wrong... ¶ 978 00:58:05,916 --> 00:58:07,382 WILLIAM SCARBOROUGH: They're outsiders coming down here 979 00:58:07,418 --> 00:58:11,119 trying to change the world and there's natural resentment. 980 00:58:11,155 --> 00:58:12,855 I mean, that's common sense. 981 00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:16,692 MAN: ¶ M-I-S-S-I-S... ¶ 982 00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:18,193 ¶ S-I-P... ¶ 983 00:58:18,229 --> 00:58:20,863 SCARBOROUGH: We didn't think those people understood 984 00:58:20,898 --> 00:58:23,999 what kind of society we had here. 985 00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:27,002 You know, these college students would sit up there at Oberlin 986 00:58:27,037 --> 00:58:31,306 and there'd be a articulate, well-groomed black person 987 00:58:31,342 --> 00:58:33,041 sitting next to them, 988 00:58:33,077 --> 00:58:38,347 and they assumed all blacks were like that and they weren't. 989 00:58:38,382 --> 00:58:42,217 They're coming for the purpose of registering blacks to vote. 990 00:58:42,253 --> 00:58:44,853 And since this state had the highest percentage of blacks 991 00:58:44,889 --> 00:58:46,855 of any state in the United States, 992 00:58:46,891 --> 00:58:50,092 that poses a real threat politically. 993 00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:53,128 There was a siege mentality, us against them, 994 00:58:53,163 --> 00:58:57,533 and I hated them. 995 00:58:57,568 --> 00:59:01,370 MAN: ¶ M-I-S-S-I-S... ¶ 996 00:59:01,405 --> 00:59:05,240 ¶ S-I-P-P-I ¶ 997 00:59:05,276 --> 00:59:09,645 (song ends) 998 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,813 WILLIAM WINTER: Let me state as clearly as I can 999 00:59:11,849 --> 00:59:15,984 what the mindset of the state of Mississippi was, 1000 00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:19,988 encouraged and emboldened by the utterances of its politicians. 1001 00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:23,559 If the white people of Mississippi 1002 00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:27,296 will just stay together, will just stick together, 1003 00:59:27,331 --> 00:59:29,932 there is no force in this country 1004 00:59:29,967 --> 00:59:33,268 that will cause segregation to be ended. 1005 00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:36,471 That was the mindset. 1006 00:59:36,507 --> 00:59:38,707 BARNETT: We face absolute extinction 1007 00:59:38,742 --> 00:59:44,947 of all we hold dear, unless we are victorious! 1008 00:59:44,982 --> 00:59:48,784 We can win, my friends, if we are organized 1009 00:59:48,819 --> 00:59:51,420 in every community in Mississippi 1010 00:59:51,455 --> 00:59:53,455 and all over this nation of ours! 1011 00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:56,458 We must be stronger than the enemy! 1012 00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:59,227 We must be strong enough to crush the enemy! 1013 00:59:59,263 --> 01:00:01,496 (applause) 1014 01:00:01,532 --> 01:00:03,999 MOSES: They're caught in a circle 1015 01:00:04,034 --> 01:00:06,368 which, if there are people who want to break out, 1016 01:00:06,403 --> 01:00:08,337 they don't know how. 1017 01:00:08,372 --> 01:00:09,838 They don't have a chance. 1018 01:00:09,873 --> 01:00:17,145 They just... white people are probably more oppressed or... 1019 01:00:17,181 --> 01:00:22,951 in terms of their ability to speak than Negroes. 1020 01:00:22,987 --> 01:00:26,154 BARBARA JAN NAVE: In the South, you were expected to live a certain way. 1021 01:00:29,994 --> 01:00:32,361 You just didn't step outside the bubble. 1022 01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:41,370 In August of 1963, I was crowned Miss Mississippi 1023 01:00:41,405 --> 01:00:43,739 and would spend the next year representing Mississippi 1024 01:00:43,774 --> 01:00:45,040 all over. 1025 01:00:57,154 --> 01:00:59,888 WATSON: Red Heffner and his wife were loyal Mississippians. 1026 01:00:59,923 --> 01:01:01,490 Their daughter was Miss Mississippi, 1027 01:01:01,525 --> 01:01:04,459 and they really believed that if they just invited 1028 01:01:04,495 --> 01:01:06,428 a couple of white volunteers over to their house 1029 01:01:06,463 --> 01:01:08,230 in McComb, just for dinner, 1030 01:01:08,265 --> 01:01:10,332 just to find out what was going on, 1031 01:01:10,367 --> 01:01:13,969 nothing, nothing would happen, nobody would object, 1032 01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:16,438 but they miscalculated badly. 1033 01:01:21,712 --> 01:01:23,945 NAVE: The whole purpose was just to keep the peace, 1034 01:01:23,981 --> 01:01:25,781 to try not to have any more bombings, 1035 01:01:25,816 --> 01:01:28,583 try not to have any more killings. 1036 01:01:28,619 --> 01:01:31,186 They came over just to have tea or whatever, or coffee. 1037 01:01:33,424 --> 01:01:35,824 MRS. HEFFNER: Then shortly after that, a man called, 1038 01:01:35,859 --> 01:01:39,928 a neighbor, that we didn't know very well, 1039 01:01:39,963 --> 01:01:41,963 and he lives a good distance from us, 1040 01:01:41,999 --> 01:01:44,299 and said that the neighbors were upset about this car 1041 01:01:44,334 --> 01:01:47,069 that was in front of our house and who did it belong to. 1042 01:01:47,104 --> 01:01:50,639 About ten minutes later, Red Heffner opened his front door 1043 01:01:50,674 --> 01:01:52,374 and there were all these headlights glaring at him, 1044 01:01:52,409 --> 01:01:54,076 like something out of a bad movie, 1045 01:01:54,111 --> 01:01:55,911 and people started shouting things, 1046 01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:58,180 and they just barely got the people out of there, 1047 01:01:58,215 --> 01:01:59,548 and from then on, 1048 01:01:59,583 --> 01:02:02,551 the Heffners' life in Mississippi was pure hell. 1049 01:02:02,586 --> 01:02:04,853 I went downtown one day, 1050 01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:07,923 and friends that I had known for ten years would turn 1051 01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:11,460 and walk away from me, or hang their heads. 1052 01:02:11,495 --> 01:02:15,430 Some would speak and walk on 1053 01:02:15,466 --> 01:02:17,733 as if I had leprosy or something. 1054 01:02:17,768 --> 01:02:21,303 NAVE: My father was asked to move out of his office. 1055 01:02:21,338 --> 01:02:24,106 So he lost his business. 1056 01:02:24,141 --> 01:02:26,942 Our, you know, our little dog was killed. 1057 01:02:26,977 --> 01:02:29,411 I came home to visit 1058 01:02:29,446 --> 01:02:32,981 because I was still traveling as Miss Mississippi 1059 01:02:33,016 --> 01:02:34,950 and the FBI wouldn't let me go home. 1060 01:02:34,985 --> 01:02:36,818 I had to stay in the Holiday Inn 1061 01:02:36,854 --> 01:02:39,921 because they had heard that the house was going to be bombed. 1062 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,893 It's just gotten too low. 1063 01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:48,396 To the point that we couldn't take it any longer. 1064 01:02:50,134 --> 01:02:52,634 WINTER: It's a mark of the obsession 1065 01:02:52,669 --> 01:02:57,439 that so many white people had in this state at that time 1066 01:02:57,474 --> 01:02:59,674 with maintaining segregation 1067 01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:03,845 that made them turn on their neighbors, on their friends. 1068 01:03:03,881 --> 01:03:06,782 The Heffners were ostracized socially 1069 01:03:06,817 --> 01:03:09,117 and finally had to leave the state. 1070 01:03:12,489 --> 01:03:16,024 NAVE: They left everything they'd ever had behind. 1071 01:03:16,059 --> 01:03:20,762 When all your roots are in one place, it breaks your heart. 1072 01:03:29,406 --> 01:03:32,140 WETMORE: I saw in Mississippi 1073 01:03:32,176 --> 01:03:34,810 a white population 1074 01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:40,415 that I had never even imagined existed. 1075 01:03:40,450 --> 01:03:47,222 The vile, the absolute hatred that was in their eyes 1076 01:03:47,257 --> 01:03:48,890 when they saw us coming, 1077 01:03:48,926 --> 01:03:54,396 was... it-it scared me. 1078 01:03:59,303 --> 01:04:02,204 FEMALE READER: "It's night, it's hot. 1079 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,340 "Violence hangs overhead like dead air. 1080 01:04:05,375 --> 01:04:10,178 It hangs there, and maybe it will fall, and maybe it won't." 1081 01:04:10,214 --> 01:04:11,947 FEMALE READER: "Although I was extremely tired, 1082 01:04:11,982 --> 01:04:15,884 "every shadow, every noise, the bark of a dog, 1083 01:04:15,919 --> 01:04:19,120 "the sound of a car, in my fear and exhaustion 1084 01:04:19,156 --> 01:04:21,456 I turned into a terrorist approach, and I believe..." 1085 01:04:21,491 --> 01:04:23,692 MALE READER: "I wake up in the morning sighing with relief 1086 01:04:23,727 --> 01:04:25,160 "that I was not bombed 1087 01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:29,231 "because I know that they know where I live, and I think, 1088 01:04:29,266 --> 01:04:32,367 "'Well, I got through that night, 1089 01:04:32,402 --> 01:04:36,571 'and I have to get through this day,' and it goes on and on." 1090 01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:45,580 There were always moments when I just wondered 1091 01:04:45,616 --> 01:04:48,817 if I could make it through that day to the next one, 1092 01:04:48,852 --> 01:04:50,685 and then to the next one. 1093 01:04:50,721 --> 01:04:55,690 Just always questioning, always wondering. 1094 01:04:55,726 --> 01:04:58,026 Every time I walked out on the street 1095 01:04:58,061 --> 01:05:02,464 I, in my mind, I expected a bullet to hit me. 1096 01:05:03,967 --> 01:05:06,001 FEMALE VOLUNTEER: They threw a stick of dynamite where, now? 1097 01:05:06,036 --> 01:05:08,570 Now, what damage did it do? 1098 01:05:08,605 --> 01:05:12,374 DITTMER: Freedom Summer was one of the most violent periods 1099 01:05:12,409 --> 01:05:16,378 in Mississippi history since the end of Reconstruction. 1100 01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:20,682 There were over a thousand arrests made. 1101 01:05:20,717 --> 01:05:22,250 REPORTER: The explosive, nobody knows 1102 01:05:22,286 --> 01:05:25,020 what kind or how much, was apparently placed 1103 01:05:25,055 --> 01:05:28,123 up against the house or rolled up against the house. 1104 01:05:28,158 --> 01:05:31,526 DITTMER: 65 buildings were either bombed or burned, 1105 01:05:31,561 --> 01:05:33,828 including 35 churches. 1106 01:05:35,499 --> 01:05:37,632 There were a hundred or so beatings. 1107 01:05:37,668 --> 01:05:39,701 I mean, this was going on all over the state. 1108 01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:48,877 SIMMONS: And then there was the whole issue 1109 01:05:48,912 --> 01:05:53,114 of white women living in black homes. 1110 01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:56,351 I mean, that just infuriated them. 1111 01:05:56,386 --> 01:06:00,789 Take these, uh, white women that've been imported in here. 1112 01:06:00,824 --> 01:06:02,924 They call 'em white women, 1113 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,260 I could call 'em a light colored rat. 1114 01:06:05,295 --> 01:06:10,765 They stay and sleep in the same damn house 1115 01:06:10,801 --> 01:06:14,436 that the niggras do. 1116 01:06:14,471 --> 01:06:17,973 And then tellin', tellin' me that they, 1117 01:06:18,008 --> 01:06:21,810 that they're not sexual relations at. 1118 01:06:21,845 --> 01:06:27,015 Why, that is, that is, for the... for the birds. 1119 01:06:27,050 --> 01:06:29,551 Even walking down the street in an interracial group 1120 01:06:29,586 --> 01:06:32,120 was kind of a no-no. 1121 01:06:32,155 --> 01:06:37,759 I remember being arrested and being asked a lot of questions. 1122 01:06:37,794 --> 01:06:41,463 And the sheriff wanted me to describe 1123 01:06:41,498 --> 01:06:43,264 the size of black men's penises. 1124 01:06:44,234 --> 01:06:46,234 They were obsessed with sex. 1125 01:06:46,269 --> 01:06:48,370 I don't think we were obsessed with sex. 1126 01:06:48,405 --> 01:06:49,838 But it was a clear message 1127 01:06:49,873 --> 01:06:52,340 that that's all they thought we were doing. 1128 01:06:55,479 --> 01:06:57,779 BOND: If you got in any kind of trouble at all 1129 01:06:57,814 --> 01:06:59,414 or anybody was threatening to you, 1130 01:06:59,449 --> 01:07:01,449 there was nobody you could go to and say, "Help me." 1131 01:07:01,485 --> 01:07:04,552 You couldn't go to the police, you couldn't go to the sheriff, 1132 01:07:04,588 --> 01:07:07,088 you couldn't go to the state officials. 1133 01:07:07,124 --> 01:07:08,523 All of these people are hostile 1134 01:07:08,558 --> 01:07:11,626 and probably the people who are threatening you themselves. 1135 01:07:11,661 --> 01:07:13,428 So there is nobody you can appeal to. 1136 01:07:15,732 --> 01:07:18,967 WETMORE: I was walking along a road. 1137 01:07:19,002 --> 01:07:22,103 We were told never to leave the place we were staying 1138 01:07:22,139 --> 01:07:24,072 by ourselves. 1139 01:07:24,107 --> 01:07:26,307 They jumped out of the car. 1140 01:07:26,343 --> 01:07:29,744 They started calling me, "Hey, nigger lover! 1141 01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:31,479 "We got you, we finally got you. 1142 01:07:31,515 --> 01:07:34,482 "We ain't killed ourselves a white girl yet. 1143 01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:36,551 You're gonna be the first." 1144 01:07:36,586 --> 01:07:38,787 They get this lynch rope. 1145 01:07:38,822 --> 01:07:43,858 It really was a noose like you see, 1146 01:07:43,894 --> 01:07:47,195 like I had seen in the pictures of the hangings, right. 1147 01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:49,998 They put this noose over my head. 1148 01:07:50,033 --> 01:07:54,936 And it's attached to a long rope. 1149 01:07:54,971 --> 01:07:57,439 They jump back into the car, 1150 01:07:57,474 --> 01:08:00,809 and I just saw myself being dragged to death. 1151 01:08:00,844 --> 01:08:03,545 I'm walking like this. 1152 01:08:03,580 --> 01:08:07,215 And they're laughing and calling me all kinds of names. 1153 01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:13,988 And then they moved along, slowly, 1154 01:08:14,024 --> 01:08:15,590 a little bit faster. 1155 01:08:15,625 --> 01:08:18,026 I'm walking faster. 1156 01:08:18,061 --> 01:08:21,196 And it was like, okay, this is it. 1157 01:08:21,231 --> 01:08:24,199 And then they dropped the rope. 1158 01:08:24,234 --> 01:08:26,401 And I just stood there. 1159 01:08:26,436 --> 01:08:27,902 Of course we had to wear skirts. 1160 01:08:27,938 --> 01:08:29,671 We weren't allowed to wear pants in those days, 1161 01:08:29,706 --> 01:08:32,073 so we all had our little shifts on and everything. 1162 01:08:32,109 --> 01:08:34,209 I peed all over myself. 1163 01:08:34,244 --> 01:08:37,112 Just stood on the... and just peed. 1164 01:08:55,799 --> 01:09:00,201 RUBIN: "The day-to-day work was canvassing. 1165 01:09:00,237 --> 01:09:04,672 "The work itself is as simple as it is tedious. 1166 01:09:04,708 --> 01:09:07,575 "We walk down these dusty red country roads 1167 01:09:07,611 --> 01:09:09,911 "in the Negro sections, 1168 01:09:09,946 --> 01:09:14,182 "go from tumbledown house to tumbledown house, 1169 01:09:14,217 --> 01:09:18,786 "and if they come out to the porch or let us in, 1170 01:09:18,822 --> 01:09:21,589 "we talk to the people. 1171 01:09:21,625 --> 01:09:23,091 "That's it. 1172 01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:25,059 "That's what we do. 1173 01:09:25,095 --> 01:09:28,263 That's what the segregationists are trying to stop." 1174 01:09:37,607 --> 01:09:39,374 SUGARMAN: My motivation for drawing 1175 01:09:39,409 --> 01:09:42,810 was I wanted to make sure that I was capturing 1176 01:09:42,846 --> 01:09:48,082 the flavor a moment, the intensity of a moment. 1177 01:09:48,118 --> 01:09:51,286 And you are in that situation, 1178 01:09:51,321 --> 01:09:54,722 everything becomes memorable. 1179 01:09:56,660 --> 01:10:01,596 The intensity of those situations become indelible. 1180 01:10:06,336 --> 01:10:09,237 That happened to me twice in my life. 1181 01:10:09,272 --> 01:10:11,773 One was on D-Day, 1182 01:10:11,808 --> 01:10:14,943 and the other time was in Mississippi. 1183 01:10:18,481 --> 01:10:20,081 KUNSTLER: The work was frustrating. 1184 01:10:20,116 --> 01:10:21,649 There was a very small return 1185 01:10:21,685 --> 01:10:25,420 for the number of doors we knocked on. 1186 01:10:25,455 --> 01:10:27,488 You could see in people's faces 1187 01:10:27,524 --> 01:10:30,258 the struggle they were going through. 1188 01:10:30,293 --> 01:10:34,128 Many really wanted to register but were fearful. 1189 01:10:34,164 --> 01:10:36,497 "I'm not going to register to vote because I work 1190 01:10:36,533 --> 01:10:39,300 for a white family and I think they might fire me." 1191 01:10:39,336 --> 01:10:41,869 Or "I've heard that houses get burned down 1192 01:10:41,905 --> 01:10:43,938 when people go to register to vote." 1193 01:10:43,974 --> 01:10:46,774 Or "I'm worried about my kids." 1194 01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:50,511 We were doing something very positive 1195 01:10:50,547 --> 01:10:53,748 but also in the backs of our minds was the negative 1196 01:10:53,783 --> 01:10:57,518 that could ball someone we were talking to. 1197 01:10:57,554 --> 01:10:59,787 Because the danger was real. 1198 01:10:59,823 --> 01:11:01,656 It was absolutely real. 1199 01:11:07,564 --> 01:11:09,030 REPORTER: Late this afternoon, 1200 01:11:09,065 --> 01:11:11,799 the search for Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner shifted 1201 01:11:11,835 --> 01:11:14,435 to the Pearl River near Philadelphia, Mississippi. 1202 01:11:14,471 --> 01:11:17,505 Boats carrying game wardens and FBI agents 1203 01:11:17,540 --> 01:11:20,508 are now dragging the river. 1204 01:11:20,543 --> 01:11:23,244 REPORTER: Have you seen the spot down here, sir? 1205 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,312 MAN: That's right. 1206 01:11:24,347 --> 01:11:25,480 REPORTER: What do you think of this? 1207 01:11:25,515 --> 01:11:26,714 I believe them jokers planned it 1208 01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:27,982 and sitting off up there in New York, 1209 01:11:28,018 --> 01:11:29,317 laughing at us Mississippi folk. 1210 01:11:29,352 --> 01:11:32,253 REPORTER: Can you tell me what you think of this whole thing? 1211 01:11:32,289 --> 01:11:33,354 WOMAN: Well, I believe 1212 01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:34,989 it's a big publicity hoax, 1213 01:11:35,025 --> 01:11:37,392 but if they're dead I feel like they asked for it. 1214 01:11:39,296 --> 01:11:40,995 KUNSTLER: It was always on our minds, 1215 01:11:41,031 --> 01:11:46,567 and we were constantly aware that they had not been found. 1216 01:11:46,603 --> 01:11:49,804 There was a pall over the whole project because of that. 1217 01:11:49,839 --> 01:11:51,406 REPORTER: In Meridian, 1218 01:11:51,441 --> 01:11:54,242 the wife of missing Mickey Schwerner, Rita Schwerner, 1219 01:11:54,277 --> 01:11:56,110 flew from Oxford. 1220 01:11:56,146 --> 01:11:58,513 BOND: Rita Schwerner plays an important role here. 1221 01:11:58,548 --> 01:12:00,381 This is her husband, after all, 1222 01:12:00,417 --> 01:12:02,417 who is the leader of the three missing men. 1223 01:12:02,452 --> 01:12:06,487 And she puts a face on them and she plays an enormous role 1224 01:12:06,523 --> 01:12:09,223 in making this seem like these are real people 1225 01:12:09,259 --> 01:12:11,526 and we need to pay attention to these real people 1226 01:12:11,561 --> 01:12:13,594 who something terrible has happened to. 1227 01:12:14,831 --> 01:12:16,531 RITA SCHWERNER: They're being held somewhere, 1228 01:12:16,566 --> 01:12:21,402 or something happened, and I am going to find the answer. 1229 01:12:21,438 --> 01:12:26,708 If this means driving every back road, every dirt road, 1230 01:12:26,743 --> 01:12:31,512 every alley in the county of Neshoba, I will do it. 1231 01:12:35,952 --> 01:12:38,486 DOROTHY ZELLNER: The press swarmed all over her, 1232 01:12:38,521 --> 01:12:40,888 and I think they wanted her to cry, 1233 01:12:40,924 --> 01:12:44,792 and they wanted her to be a new widow, 1234 01:12:44,828 --> 01:12:49,030 that they would catch her at the moment of her widowhood, 1235 01:12:49,065 --> 01:12:51,466 and she wouldn't play. 1236 01:12:51,501 --> 01:12:54,969 I personally suspect that if Mr. Chaney, 1237 01:12:55,004 --> 01:12:59,173 who is a native Mississippian Negro, 1238 01:12:59,209 --> 01:13:02,076 had been along at the time of the disappearance, 1239 01:13:02,112 --> 01:13:07,115 that this case, like so many others that have come before, 1240 01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:09,283 would have gone completely unnoticed. 1241 01:13:11,821 --> 01:13:13,154 SCHWERNER: I did have some sense 1242 01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:18,059 that if the story was allowed to deteriorate into, 1243 01:13:18,094 --> 01:13:20,995 "Oh, this poor little white girl," 1244 01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:25,433 that, um... 1245 01:13:25,468 --> 01:13:30,037 it would, um... 1246 01:13:30,073 --> 01:13:32,840 it would be offensive to everyone concerned. 1247 01:13:35,311 --> 01:13:37,478 WATSON: Rita went on to the White House 1248 01:13:37,514 --> 01:13:38,913 and she met Lyndon Johnson, 1249 01:13:38,948 --> 01:13:40,815 and he welcomed her to the White House 1250 01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:42,483 and she said very bluntly, she said, 1251 01:13:42,519 --> 01:13:44,786 "Mr. President, this is not a social call. 1252 01:13:44,821 --> 01:13:47,889 I've come to find out where my husband is." 1253 01:13:47,924 --> 01:13:49,891 And she got chewed out by the press secretary, who said, 1254 01:13:49,926 --> 01:13:52,527 "You don't talk to the president of the United States like that." 1255 01:13:52,562 --> 01:13:53,895 Rita simply said, "We do." 1256 01:14:32,936 --> 01:14:35,336 REPORTER: On Thursday, President Johnson ordered sailors 1257 01:14:35,371 --> 01:14:37,305 from Meridian Naval Air Station 1258 01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:39,574 to augment state and federal law officers 1259 01:14:39,609 --> 01:14:42,810 who were conducting the search. 1260 01:14:42,846 --> 01:14:45,480 There have been reports that they were seen in other states. 1261 01:14:45,515 --> 01:14:47,315 None of these reports proved out, 1262 01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:49,317 and so far neither has the search. 1263 01:14:57,393 --> 01:15:00,161 JONES: On August 4, 1964, 1264 01:15:00,196 --> 01:15:03,998 at the Mt. Olive Missionary Baptist Church 1265 01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:06,200 in Meridian, Mississippi, 1266 01:15:06,236 --> 01:15:07,969 Pete Seeger gave a concert. 1267 01:15:08,004 --> 01:15:11,672 You know, we were all into James Brown and all that 1268 01:15:11,708 --> 01:15:15,776 and here, you know, we got a guy who's a folk legend 1269 01:15:15,812 --> 01:15:18,513 that comes to Meridian and we were told 1270 01:15:18,548 --> 01:15:20,781 that he's going to do this concert. 1271 01:15:23,953 --> 01:15:25,786 PETE SEEGER: It was a small church, 1272 01:15:25,822 --> 01:15:28,923 so there were about 200 people there, 1273 01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:31,592 and I had been singing to them, I guess, 1274 01:15:31,628 --> 01:15:36,797 on a slight raised platform, probably near the pulpit. 1275 01:15:36,833 --> 01:15:40,134 And I had gotten them singing with me. 1276 01:15:41,638 --> 01:15:43,104 JONES: And, all of a sudden, 1277 01:15:43,139 --> 01:15:44,639 in the middle of a song that he was singing, 1278 01:15:44,674 --> 01:15:47,708 someone came over and whispered into his ear. 1279 01:15:47,744 --> 01:15:52,613 He stopped and he got up and made an announcement. 1280 01:15:55,818 --> 01:15:59,253 SEEGER: "The bodies of Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney 1281 01:15:59,289 --> 01:16:02,623 "have just been discovered. 1282 01:16:02,659 --> 01:16:06,227 They were buried deep in the earth." 1283 01:16:06,262 --> 01:16:08,663 There wasn't any shouting. 1284 01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:11,332 There's just silence. 1285 01:16:11,367 --> 01:16:16,637 I saw lips moving as though they were in prayer. 1286 01:16:16,673 --> 01:16:21,442 He asked us to join hands and sing, 1287 01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:29,116 ¶ We shall overcome, my Lord ¶ 1288 01:16:29,152 --> 01:16:36,324 ¶ We shall overcome someday ¶ 1289 01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:41,162 ¶ We shall overcome someday... ¶ 1290 01:16:41,197 --> 01:16:46,667 (crowd singing "We Shall Overcome") 1291 01:16:46,703 --> 01:16:53,774 ¶ Deep in my heart ¶ 1292 01:16:53,810 --> 01:17:00,381 ¶ Know that I do believe ¶ 1293 01:17:00,416 --> 01:17:06,454 ¶ Oh, we shall overcome someday. ¶ 1294 01:17:06,489 --> 01:17:10,524 SCHWERNER: I got a call late in the evening. 1295 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,294 At least this... 1296 01:17:13,329 --> 01:17:17,365 this nightmare of unknowing, 1297 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:23,237 or at least not officially knowing, was over. 1298 01:17:26,909 --> 01:17:28,776 WATSON: The bodies of Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner 1299 01:17:28,811 --> 01:17:30,277 were flown to New York. 1300 01:17:30,313 --> 01:17:32,880 They had a separate funeral there. 1301 01:17:32,915 --> 01:17:37,518 Fannie Lee Chaney flew to New York to be at that funeral. 1302 01:17:37,553 --> 01:17:39,487 The families by then were so together, 1303 01:17:39,522 --> 01:17:41,222 even though they had never met before. 1304 01:17:41,257 --> 01:17:43,324 The mothers locked arms 1305 01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:47,662 and walked out of the church together. 1306 01:17:47,697 --> 01:17:53,467 CROWD: ¶ Oh, we shall overcome someday. ¶ 1307 01:17:55,605 --> 01:17:57,538 WATSON: In Mississippi, a memorial service was held 1308 01:17:57,573 --> 01:17:59,674 for James Chaney. 1309 01:18:11,187 --> 01:18:12,620 DENNIS: The decision had been made 1310 01:18:12,655 --> 01:18:16,190 by family members and local leaders and others 1311 01:18:16,225 --> 01:18:19,293 that they wanted to keep this very quiet 1312 01:18:19,328 --> 01:18:22,530 and then low key, rather. 1313 01:18:23,433 --> 01:18:26,200 I did their eulogy. 1314 01:18:26,235 --> 01:18:27,334 DENNIS: I want to talk about 1315 01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:30,971 is really what I really grieve about. 1316 01:18:31,007 --> 01:18:34,442 I don't grieve for Chaney because of the fact 1317 01:18:34,477 --> 01:18:37,611 I feel that he lived a fuller life 1318 01:18:37,647 --> 01:18:40,214 than many of us will ever live. 1319 01:18:40,249 --> 01:18:48,055 I feel that he's got his freedom and we're still fighting for it. 1320 01:18:48,091 --> 01:18:50,758 WATSON: Dave Dennis's speech was a turning point in the summer 1321 01:18:50,793 --> 01:18:55,329 because everybody wanted him to say the usual things 1322 01:18:55,364 --> 01:18:57,064 that you would say at a funeral. 1323 01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:01,602 And Dave Dennis just couldn't do it. 1324 01:19:01,637 --> 01:19:03,671 He challenged the people at the memorial 1325 01:19:03,706 --> 01:19:05,773 and he challenged the whole movement. 1326 01:19:05,808 --> 01:19:08,409 You see, wall tired. 1327 01:19:08,444 --> 01:19:09,610 You see, I know what's gonna happen. 1328 01:19:09,645 --> 01:19:11,178 I feel it deep in my heart 1329 01:19:11,214 --> 01:19:13,080 when they find the people who killed those guys 1330 01:19:13,116 --> 01:19:14,682 in Neshoba County... 1331 01:19:14,717 --> 01:19:16,650 All the different emotions 1332 01:19:16,686 --> 01:19:20,154 of things we'd been going through 1333 01:19:20,189 --> 01:19:22,723 leading up to this particular moment 1334 01:19:22,759 --> 01:19:28,095 began to come out, boil up in me, you might call this. 1335 01:19:32,101 --> 01:19:34,368 And then looking out there and seeing Ben Chaney, 1336 01:19:34,403 --> 01:19:40,040 James Chaney's little brother, I lost it. 1337 01:19:40,076 --> 01:19:44,145 I totally just lost it. 1338 01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:46,580 Don't bow down anymore! 1339 01:19:46,616 --> 01:19:49,617 Hold your heads up! 1340 01:19:49,652 --> 01:19:52,720 We want our freedom now! 1341 01:19:52,755 --> 01:19:55,689 (voice breaking): I don't want to have to go to another memorial. 1342 01:19:57,393 --> 01:19:59,593 I'm tired of funerals. 1343 01:19:59,629 --> 01:20:03,964 Tired of it! 1344 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,000 We've got to stand up! 1345 01:20:08,738 --> 01:20:14,542 CROWD: ¶ Oh, oh, oh, deep in my heart ¶ 1346 01:20:14,577 --> 01:20:17,044 WATSON: I think a lot of people in Mississippi, 1347 01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:18,312 white people, thought, 1348 01:20:18,347 --> 01:20:20,748 "If we could just repel them with the violence, 1349 01:20:20,783 --> 01:20:22,149 they'll go away." 1350 01:20:22,185 --> 01:20:24,218 But the beauty of Freedom Summer was the tenacity 1351 01:20:24,253 --> 01:20:26,787 shown by the local people and the volunteers 1352 01:20:26,823 --> 01:20:29,456 by staying on and on despite the violence, 1353 01:20:29,492 --> 01:20:31,826 despite the threats, despite the three bodies. 1354 01:20:31,861 --> 01:20:36,730 That created a momentum that, as it went on into August, 1355 01:20:36,766 --> 01:20:39,967 you did begin to see more people showing up at mass meetings, 1356 01:20:40,002 --> 01:20:41,969 more people showing up at church. 1357 01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,644 WOMAN: ¶ This little light of mine... ¶ 1358 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,514 CROWD: ¶ I'm gonna let it shine. ¶ 1359 01:20:53,549 --> 01:20:55,583 WATSON: Churches that had originally had maybe 1360 01:20:55,618 --> 01:20:57,918 ten or 12 people for an evening meeting, 1361 01:20:57,954 --> 01:21:00,020 and there were evening meetings almost every night, 1362 01:21:00,056 --> 01:21:02,923 now you got 20, 30, 40, 50 people showing up. 1363 01:21:02,959 --> 01:21:04,892 The churches are filled in the evening. 1364 01:21:04,927 --> 01:21:08,329 Just being there in Mississippi is making a difference. 1365 01:21:08,364 --> 01:21:16,737 CROWD: ¶ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine... ¶ 1366 01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:22,409 WOMAN: ¶ Tell Governor Wallace... ¶ 1367 01:21:22,445 --> 01:21:25,779 HARRIS: The mass meeting was called by the community. 1368 01:21:25,815 --> 01:21:27,481 That was the purpose of the mass meeting, 1369 01:21:27,516 --> 01:21:30,217 to bring people up to date, don't have any fear. 1370 01:21:30,253 --> 01:21:33,954 Try to stick to your grounds and you are eligible 1371 01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:35,522 to become a registered voter. 1372 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:37,458 Don't have any fear. 1373 01:21:37,493 --> 01:21:39,059 It made us stronger. 1374 01:21:39,095 --> 01:21:41,795 As the time grew, then the crowds started getting larger. 1375 01:21:41,831 --> 01:21:49,503 (crowd singing) 1376 01:21:49,538 --> 01:21:51,672 HARRIS: My friends and I, my brothers, 1377 01:21:51,707 --> 01:21:54,541 we would sit on the front pew at a meeting. 1378 01:21:54,577 --> 01:21:55,943 And our role as young people was 1379 01:21:55,978 --> 01:21:58,112 to stand up in front of the congregation 1380 01:21:58,147 --> 01:22:00,614 and begin singing freedom songs, 1381 01:22:00,650 --> 01:22:03,517 all a cappella, clapping our hands. 1382 01:22:03,552 --> 01:22:05,719 And the congregation would be on its feet 1383 01:22:05,755 --> 01:22:07,721 and they're swaying from side to side, 1384 01:22:07,757 --> 01:22:09,356 and we're singing these songs like 1385 01:22:09,392 --> 01:22:12,493 "Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me 'Round, Oh Freedom." 1386 01:22:14,497 --> 01:22:15,596 JONES: They would break out and sing, 1387 01:22:15,631 --> 01:22:18,365 ¶ This little light of mine ¶ 1388 01:22:18,401 --> 01:22:20,701 ¶ I'm gonna let it shine... ¶ 1389 01:22:20,736 --> 01:22:25,239 CROWD: ¶ I'm gonna let it shine... ¶ 1390 01:22:29,378 --> 01:22:33,814 WATKINS: On my project, the volunteers, all of them, 1391 01:22:33,849 --> 01:22:36,350 had to go to the mass meetings. 1392 01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:42,523 CROWD: ¶ I'm gonna let it shine, let it shine, let it shine... ¶ 1393 01:22:42,558 --> 01:22:45,125 SIMMONS: It played for them, I think, 1394 01:22:45,161 --> 01:22:50,364 the same role that it played for black people. 1395 01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:52,700 Because it was infectious. 1396 01:22:52,735 --> 01:22:54,568 It galvanized you. 1397 01:22:54,603 --> 01:22:57,204 It fortified you. 1398 01:22:57,239 --> 01:23:01,442 It enabled you to go on. 1399 01:23:01,477 --> 01:23:06,046 (crowd singing enthusiastically) 1400 01:23:06,082 --> 01:23:09,283 MILLER: When you're in a situation with that much fear 1401 01:23:09,318 --> 01:23:13,020 and every day not knowing what's going to happen, 1402 01:23:13,055 --> 01:23:14,688 when you're in a mass meeting 1403 01:23:14,724 --> 01:23:18,592 you feel... there's a feeling of safety, 1404 01:23:18,627 --> 01:23:21,195 there's a feeling of strength. 1405 01:23:21,230 --> 01:23:25,699 Everyone was there to change things. 1406 01:23:25,735 --> 01:23:28,969 And so when you're in those mass meetings, 1407 01:23:29,005 --> 01:23:31,205 you really believe you can. 1408 01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:36,577 (crowd continues singing) 1409 01:23:41,617 --> 01:23:42,783 GRAY: We've organized 1410 01:23:42,818 --> 01:23:45,019 into the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 1411 01:23:45,054 --> 01:23:47,888 We're holding a Freedom Registration drive 1412 01:23:47,923 --> 01:23:50,024 throughout the state, 1413 01:23:50,059 --> 01:23:51,592 encouraging every Negro and white 1414 01:23:51,627 --> 01:23:53,360 who wants a stake in his political future 1415 01:23:53,396 --> 01:23:57,598 to prove it by getting his name on a Freedom Registration book. 1416 01:23:57,633 --> 01:24:01,101 CHRIS WILLIAMS: The word came down from the office in Jackson that, 1417 01:24:01,137 --> 01:24:04,638 "All right, this has gotta be the priority." 1418 01:24:04,673 --> 01:24:08,475 Bob Moses said, "We gotta really concentrate on this, 1419 01:24:08,511 --> 01:24:10,844 "we've got to sign people up 1420 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,980 for the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party." 1421 01:24:13,015 --> 01:24:17,317 We were going to go to Atlantic City 1422 01:24:17,353 --> 01:24:20,454 with a delegation of black Mississippians 1423 01:24:20,489 --> 01:24:22,456 to challenge the white delegation 1424 01:24:22,491 --> 01:24:26,460 at the Democratic National Convention. 1425 01:24:26,495 --> 01:24:30,631 ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON: Our case was pure and unadulterated exclusion 1426 01:24:30,666 --> 01:24:32,966 and discrimination. 1427 01:24:33,002 --> 01:24:38,705 We regarded the delegation sent from Mississippi, 1428 01:24:38,741 --> 01:24:41,175 an all-white delegation, 1429 01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:44,278 as illegitimate under the rules of the Democratic Party, 1430 01:24:44,313 --> 01:24:50,984 and we argued that our integrated delegation 1431 01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:54,588 from all of the counties in the state 1432 01:24:54,623 --> 01:24:56,857 should be seated instead. 1433 01:25:02,998 --> 01:25:07,701 PEGGY JEAN CONNOR: Those students helped us get people registered. 1434 01:25:07,736 --> 01:25:11,839 We registered thousands of them. 1435 01:25:11,874 --> 01:25:13,474 I guess people were just fed up. 1436 01:25:13,509 --> 01:25:16,610 People were hunting you to register to vote. 1437 01:25:16,645 --> 01:25:19,246 You didn't have to just go to their house. 1438 01:25:19,281 --> 01:25:21,348 They wanted to put their name on. 1439 01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:27,287 WILLIAMS: Any place people congregated, we're there with our forms. 1440 01:25:27,323 --> 01:25:29,857 It wasn't complicated 1441 01:25:29,892 --> 01:25:32,526 like the official voter registration form, 1442 01:25:32,561 --> 01:25:33,994 and it was confidential. 1443 01:25:34,029 --> 01:25:35,762 It wasn't going to pass through the hands 1444 01:25:35,798 --> 01:25:38,232 of the white people down at the courthouse. 1445 01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:42,169 We have scheduled precinct meetings and district caucuses, 1446 01:25:42,204 --> 01:25:45,706 and on August 6 here in Jackson, 1447 01:25:45,741 --> 01:25:48,108 we will hold our state convention. 1448 01:25:48,144 --> 01:25:51,778 At that time, we will elect a slate of delegates 1449 01:25:51,814 --> 01:25:53,847 to the national convention in Atlantic City. 1450 01:25:57,653 --> 01:25:59,653 (lively jazz playing) 1451 01:26:15,571 --> 01:26:18,138 ED KING: The delegates came from all over the state. 1452 01:26:18,174 --> 01:26:21,642 Most of the delegates had never taken part 1453 01:26:21,677 --> 01:26:23,577 in anything like this in their lifetime. 1454 01:26:31,787 --> 01:26:34,188 PEGGY JEAN CONNOR: I was happy really, really, 1455 01:26:34,223 --> 01:26:38,792 because I did not think I would be a delegate. 1456 01:26:38,827 --> 01:26:40,294 I didn't. 1457 01:26:40,329 --> 01:26:46,900 And I was one of the first ones that they selected. 1458 01:26:50,039 --> 01:26:55,442 (cheering) 1459 01:26:55,477 --> 01:27:01,281 SIMMONS: It was a wonderful experience to see these people 1460 01:27:01,317 --> 01:27:05,919 who had been oppressed and killed 1461 01:27:05,955 --> 01:27:08,889 for trying to register to vote 1462 01:27:08,924 --> 01:27:14,595 taking over their own destiny. 1463 01:27:14,630 --> 01:27:18,298 For the first time, doing something that I think 1464 01:27:18,334 --> 01:27:22,336 they'd never imagined being able to do. 1465 01:27:22,371 --> 01:27:24,271 (banging gavel) 1466 01:27:24,306 --> 01:27:27,874 Will the delegates please be seated. 1467 01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:30,844 The state convention for the Freedom Democratic Party 1468 01:27:30,879 --> 01:27:32,312 is now in session. 1469 01:27:32,348 --> 01:27:37,050 KING: Out of 68 people in the delegation, four were white. 1470 01:27:37,086 --> 01:27:41,054 The regular delegation was all white, had no blacks. 1471 01:27:41,090 --> 01:27:44,891 So we are integrated at that point and they are not. 1472 01:27:44,927 --> 01:27:49,696 BRUCE WATSON: Joseph Rauh agrees to be the chief counsel 1473 01:27:49,732 --> 01:27:53,333 for the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 1474 01:27:53,369 --> 01:27:56,136 Rauh is a Washington insider from way back in the '40s 1475 01:27:56,171 --> 01:27:58,538 and he had worked with all sorts of liberal causes 1476 01:27:58,574 --> 01:27:59,940 and politicians. 1477 01:27:59,975 --> 01:28:02,709 He was a lawyer for United Auto Workers and very powerful, 1478 01:28:02,745 --> 01:28:06,346 and that's a great person to have on your side. 1479 01:28:06,382 --> 01:28:08,081 REPORTER: Mr. Rauh, what is your dispute 1480 01:28:08,117 --> 01:28:11,351 with the regular Mississippi Democratic delegion? 1481 01:28:11,387 --> 01:28:12,786 Very simple. 1482 01:28:12,821 --> 01:28:14,454 They are disloyal to the national party. 1483 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:16,056 They exclude Negroes 1484 01:28:16,091 --> 01:28:18,425 who would help the national party from their roles. 1485 01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:20,193 They have engaged 1486 01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:23,096 in the terroristic activities in Mississippi... 1487 01:28:23,132 --> 01:28:26,533 JOHN DITTMER: The people in Mississippi didn't know how national politics work. 1488 01:28:26,568 --> 01:28:28,802 They didn't know how conventions work. 1489 01:28:28,837 --> 01:28:31,471 Rauh did, and he was the one who said that, 1490 01:28:31,507 --> 01:28:32,973 "I think we can do this." 1491 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:54,328 SHERWIN MARKMAN: I can't overstate how seriously Johnson took this whole thing. 1492 01:28:54,363 --> 01:28:56,963 He believed that Bobby Kennedy, who was then attorney general, 1493 01:28:56,999 --> 01:29:00,534 was going to use any disruption at the convention 1494 01:29:00,569 --> 01:29:05,372 as a vehicle to displace him as the nominee. 1495 01:29:05,407 --> 01:29:07,741 The second thing he was concerned about is 1496 01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:12,145 he wanted to keep the regular Southern wing of the party 1497 01:29:12,181 --> 01:29:13,580 in the party, 1498 01:29:13,615 --> 01:29:17,117 that that the whole battle would cause a split within the party, 1499 01:29:17,152 --> 01:29:20,087 which would drive out the regular Southern states. 1500 01:29:20,122 --> 01:29:22,489 And he believed that without the South's support, 1501 01:29:22,524 --> 01:29:24,891 he would lose the election. 1502 01:29:24,927 --> 01:29:30,297 So I was designated to go to the convention as a delegate 1503 01:29:30,332 --> 01:29:33,100 to make sure that did not happen. 1504 01:29:35,838 --> 01:29:39,539 CHARLES McLAURIN: We had Democratic congressmen from Illinois 1505 01:29:39,575 --> 01:29:42,576 and from other states. 1506 01:29:42,611 --> 01:29:46,880 The Democratic Party was the party of Adam Clayton Powell, 1507 01:29:46,915 --> 01:29:50,851 so we felt we had an inroad there. 1508 01:29:50,886 --> 01:29:52,853 If they let us state our case, 1509 01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:55,822 we would be seated. 1510 01:29:55,858 --> 01:29:57,758 ¶ Get on board! ¶ 1511 01:29:57,793 --> 01:30:01,628 ¶ Children, children, get on board ¶ 1512 01:30:01,663 --> 01:30:05,031 ¶ Children, children, let's fight for human rights ¶ 1513 01:30:05,067 --> 01:30:10,237 ¶ I hear those mobs a-howling and coming 'round the square ¶ 1514 01:30:10,272 --> 01:30:12,272 ¶ Trying to catch those freedom fighters ¶ 1515 01:30:12,307 --> 01:30:14,040 ¶ But we're gonna meet you there ¶ 1516 01:30:14,076 --> 01:30:16,443 ¶ Get on board, children, children ¶ 1517 01:30:16,478 --> 01:30:18,445 ¶ Get on board, children, children ¶ 1518 01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:21,081 ¶ Get on board, children, children ¶ 1519 01:30:21,116 --> 01:30:23,483 ¶ Let's fight for human rights... ¶ 1520 01:30:23,519 --> 01:30:29,489 McLAURIN: I think that trip must have taken... I guess, 20 hours. 1521 01:30:29,525 --> 01:30:31,892 I'm not sure; it was a long trip. 1522 01:30:31,927 --> 01:30:35,695 But the mood on the bus was upbeat. 1523 01:30:35,731 --> 01:30:38,265 Here we are going to Atlantic City 1524 01:30:38,300 --> 01:30:45,605 to unseat the people who had denied us the right to vote. 1525 01:30:45,641 --> 01:30:49,242 So it was really a jubilant time to me. 1526 01:30:49,278 --> 01:30:53,013 We stepped out into a new world. 1527 01:30:53,048 --> 01:30:57,517 (band playing marching tune) 1528 01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:04,724 REPORTER: On Monday, the 1964 Democratic National Convention 1529 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,593 will open here in Atlantic City, 1530 01:31:06,628 --> 01:31:08,595 a resort 100 miles south of New York. 1531 01:31:08,630 --> 01:31:11,898 The job will be to nominate President Lyndon B. Johnson 1532 01:31:11,934 --> 01:31:14,801 as the man to take on Senator Barry Goldwater 1533 01:31:14,837 --> 01:31:16,736 in the presidential election battle in November. 1534 01:31:16,772 --> 01:31:19,139 Known as Convention City 1535 01:31:19,174 --> 01:31:21,641 and home of the Miss America contest, 1536 01:31:21,677 --> 01:31:24,478 Atlantic City can now claim the honor 1537 01:31:24,513 --> 01:31:27,647 of a national political convention. 1538 01:31:36,925 --> 01:31:42,863 WILLIAMS: These people were beauticians and farmers and mechanics 1539 01:31:42,898 --> 01:31:49,536 and they had kind of baggy, worn suits 1540 01:31:49,571 --> 01:31:52,706 and funny looking dresses in some cases. 1541 01:31:52,741 --> 01:31:57,511 They weren't slick like the rest of the delegates were, 1542 01:31:57,546 --> 01:32:01,047 so people weren't quite sure what to make of these people. 1543 01:32:04,620 --> 01:32:08,221 FANNIE LOU HAMER: We believe that we will be seated in this convention 1544 01:32:08,257 --> 01:32:10,223 because it is right. 1545 01:32:10,259 --> 01:32:13,026 When you tell the truth, you don't have anything to hide. 1546 01:32:13,061 --> 01:32:14,861 KING: Outside the convention hall, 1547 01:32:14,897 --> 01:32:19,766 we had a vigil, went on 24 hours 1548 01:32:19,801 --> 01:32:22,702 every day that the convention was in session. 1549 01:32:22,738 --> 01:32:26,239 KARIN KUNSTLER: It was, you know, great for us 1550 01:32:26,275 --> 01:32:29,075 who had spent time in Mississippi to see 1551 01:32:29,111 --> 01:32:31,144 not only people from Mississippi there 1552 01:32:31,179 --> 01:32:32,479 and not only volunteers there, 1553 01:32:32,514 --> 01:32:36,783 but larger groups of people who came from all over 1554 01:32:36,818 --> 01:32:38,485 to support the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 1555 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,789 I know the Boardwalk was covered with people. 1556 01:32:42,824 --> 01:32:44,858 I think it was hard to walk down the Boardwalk 1557 01:32:44,893 --> 01:32:48,461 because there was so many of us. 1558 01:32:48,497 --> 01:32:54,968 ¶ Go tell it on the mountain, over the hills and everywhere ¶ 1559 01:32:55,003 --> 01:33:02,375 ¶ Go tell it on the mountain to let my people go... ¶ 1560 01:33:02,411 --> 01:33:04,311 RITA SCHWERNER: The whole notion 1561 01:33:04,346 --> 01:33:07,314 of the demonstration out on the Boardwalk 1562 01:33:07,349 --> 01:33:11,318 and the MFDP challenge 1563 01:33:11,353 --> 01:33:17,190 was all by way of trying to use the attention 1564 01:33:17,225 --> 01:33:19,559 that would be focused on the convention 1565 01:33:19,595 --> 01:33:23,363 to say to the country, "Look at Mississippi. 1566 01:33:23,398 --> 01:33:26,299 "Look at what is going on there. 1567 01:33:26,335 --> 01:33:32,672 You cannot allow this to continue." 1568 01:33:32,708 --> 01:33:40,246 ¶ Go tell it on the mountain to let my people go. ¶ 1569 01:33:49,358 --> 01:33:53,126 NORTON: We had to go to the delegations from the various states 1570 01:33:53,161 --> 01:33:56,663 to make a case that had never been made before: 1571 01:33:56,698 --> 01:33:59,232 that an official delegation 1572 01:33:59,267 --> 01:34:03,370 that came from a state should not be recognized, 1573 01:34:03,405 --> 01:34:06,973 and an entire challenge delegation 1574 01:34:07,009 --> 01:34:09,142 should be recognized in its place. 1575 01:34:09,177 --> 01:34:12,979 MARKMAN: They were very confident coming to the convention. 1576 01:34:13,015 --> 01:34:15,315 They had every reason to be confident. 1577 01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:18,284 The Mississippi Freedom Party had morality on their side, 1578 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,554 which is a powerful force in politics. 1579 01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:24,157 So this was a revolution that they were starting 1580 01:34:24,192 --> 01:34:25,759 within the Democratic Party. 1581 01:34:25,794 --> 01:34:28,028 REPORTER: Mr. Rauh, when will the fight come, and how? 1582 01:34:28,063 --> 01:34:29,629 Well, the fight comes this way. 1583 01:34:29,665 --> 01:34:32,465 On Saturday afternoon, there will be a hearing 1584 01:34:32,501 --> 01:34:33,800 before the credentials committee, 1585 01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:37,437 and we will present our case. 1586 01:34:37,472 --> 01:34:41,041 DITTMER: This was before the convention actually formally met. 1587 01:34:41,076 --> 01:34:46,146 These 108 people would listen to the Freedom Democrats, 1588 01:34:46,181 --> 01:34:50,250 then if 11, only 11 members of that committee 1589 01:34:50,285 --> 01:34:52,819 would file a minority report, 1590 01:34:52,854 --> 01:34:57,090 that would mean that it would go to the convention floor. 1591 01:34:57,125 --> 01:35:00,193 In front of a national television audience, 1592 01:35:00,228 --> 01:35:02,896 why, the Freedom Democrats would win 1593 01:35:02,931 --> 01:35:05,799 because their case, of course, was so strong. 1594 01:35:05,834 --> 01:35:08,268 REPORTER: Are you hoping that President Johnson 1595 01:35:08,303 --> 01:35:10,537 will come out on the side of your party? 1596 01:35:10,572 --> 01:35:12,205 RAUH: No, I think that'd be a mistake. 1597 01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,241 I think it would be a mistake for the president to take sides, 1598 01:35:15,277 --> 01:35:16,843 even our side. 1599 01:35:16,878 --> 01:35:19,412 All we ask for is benevolent neutrality, 1600 01:35:19,448 --> 01:35:22,582 by which I mean real, honest-to-goodness neutrality. 1601 01:35:42,204 --> 01:35:44,504 TAYLOR BRANCH: Lyndon Johnson literally was so fearful 1602 01:35:44,539 --> 01:35:46,306 that the convention was going to blow up 1603 01:35:46,341 --> 01:35:48,641 that he essentially went to bed for two or three days 1604 01:35:48,677 --> 01:35:52,078 and had what amounted to a nervous breakdown. 1605 01:35:52,114 --> 01:35:57,317 He told his closest advisors and his closest friends 1606 01:35:57,352 --> 01:36:00,386 that he was going to quit, that he couldn't take the pressure. 1607 01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:23,943 DITTMER: The testimony before the credentials committee, 1608 01:36:23,979 --> 01:36:26,679 the FDP had a lineup of very different people. 1609 01:36:26,715 --> 01:36:29,382 They had Rita Schwerner, the widow of Mickey, 1610 01:36:29,417 --> 01:36:31,184 who had been killed in Neshoba County. 1611 01:36:31,219 --> 01:36:33,486 They had Martin Luther King. 1612 01:36:33,522 --> 01:36:36,222 Everybody knew King. 1613 01:36:36,258 --> 01:36:38,057 The seating of the delegation 1614 01:36:38,093 --> 01:36:41,094 from the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party 1615 01:36:41,129 --> 01:36:44,898 has political and moral significance 1616 01:36:44,933 --> 01:36:49,302 far beyond the borders of Mississippi, 1617 01:36:49,337 --> 01:36:51,304 of the halls of this convention. 1618 01:36:53,341 --> 01:36:55,775 DITTMER: But the highlight of the testimony 1619 01:36:55,811 --> 01:36:57,744 was that of Fannie Lou Hamer, 1620 01:36:57,779 --> 01:37:01,247 the sharecropper who had been evicted from her plantation 1621 01:37:01,283 --> 01:37:04,083 and had come to symbolize the Mississippi movement. 1622 01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:08,788 HAMER: Mr. Chairman, and to the credentials committee. 1623 01:37:08,824 --> 01:37:13,626 It was the 31st of August in 1962 1624 01:37:13,662 --> 01:37:17,230 that 18 of us traveled 26 miles 1625 01:37:17,265 --> 01:37:20,466 to the county courthouse in Indianola 1626 01:37:20,502 --> 01:37:24,838 to try to register to become first-class citizens. 1627 01:37:24,873 --> 01:37:29,442 We was met in Indianola by policemen.... 1628 01:37:29,477 --> 01:37:31,978 BOB MOSES: The president, Lyndon Johnson, 1629 01:37:32,013 --> 01:37:37,617 he's not afraid of Martin Luther King's testimony. 1630 01:37:37,652 --> 01:37:40,453 He's afraid of Fannie Lou Hamer's testimony. 1631 01:37:40,488 --> 01:37:43,623 And so he decides that the country 1632 01:37:43,658 --> 01:37:45,892 should not see her testify live. 1633 01:37:45,927 --> 01:37:48,561 BRANCH: Johnson is in the White House 1634 01:37:48,597 --> 01:37:51,598 and he convened an impromptu press conference. 1635 01:37:51,633 --> 01:37:53,800 We will return to this scene in Atlantic City, 1636 01:37:53,835 --> 01:37:57,337 but now we switch to the White House and NBC's Robert Goralski. 1637 01:37:57,372 --> 01:38:00,907 Now, ladies and gentleman, the president of the United States. 1638 01:38:00,942 --> 01:38:04,244 On this day nine months ago... 1639 01:38:04,279 --> 01:38:07,580 BRANCH: He did it knowing that they would break away, 1640 01:38:07,616 --> 01:38:09,282 thinking he might announce 1641 01:38:09,317 --> 01:38:11,451 who his choice of vice president was going to be. 1642 01:38:11,486 --> 01:38:13,720 Instead he gets up there and he announces-- 1643 01:38:13,755 --> 01:38:17,857 get this-- he announces that it's nine months to the day 1644 01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:21,961 since Governor Connally, who was there, was shot 1645 01:38:21,997 --> 01:38:23,630 along with President Kennedy. 1646 01:38:23,665 --> 01:38:25,798 So he announced a nine-month anniversary. 1647 01:38:25,834 --> 01:38:27,567 Everybody's scratching their heads. 1648 01:38:27,602 --> 01:38:29,836 Thank you very much. 1649 01:38:29,871 --> 01:38:32,805 BRANCH: And then he leaves. 1650 01:38:32,841 --> 01:38:36,042 By that time, Fannie Lou Hamer's testimony was over. 1651 01:38:36,077 --> 01:38:40,546 (applause) 1652 01:38:40,582 --> 01:38:43,316 However, it backfired on Johnson because it became a story 1653 01:38:43,351 --> 01:38:45,652 that she had been taken off television. 1654 01:38:45,687 --> 01:38:48,988 And in the news that night and for days afterwards, 1655 01:38:49,024 --> 01:38:50,823 they replayed her testimony. 1656 01:38:50,859 --> 01:38:56,896 HAMER: I was carried to the county jail and put in the booking room. 1657 01:38:56,932 --> 01:39:00,800 They left some of the people in the booking room 1658 01:39:00,835 --> 01:39:04,137 and began to place us in cells. 1659 01:39:04,172 --> 01:39:08,207 MOSES: She had Mississippi in her bones. 1660 01:39:08,243 --> 01:39:10,610 Martin Luther King or the SNCC field secretaries, 1661 01:39:10,645 --> 01:39:13,880 they couldn't do what Fannie Lou Hamer did. 1662 01:39:13,915 --> 01:39:17,717 They couldn't be a sharecropper 1663 01:39:17,752 --> 01:39:22,388 and express what it meant, right? 1664 01:39:22,424 --> 01:39:27,226 And that's what Fannie Lou Hamer did. 1665 01:39:27,262 --> 01:39:32,065 HAMER: And it wasn't too long before three white men came to my cell. 1666 01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:36,569 One of these men was a state highway patrolman. 1667 01:39:36,604 --> 01:39:39,138 He said, "We going to make you wish you was dead." 1668 01:39:39,174 --> 01:39:40,773 I was carried out... 1669 01:39:40,809 --> 01:39:42,241 LARRY RUBIN: I was in Mississippi 1670 01:39:42,277 --> 01:39:45,044 watching it on television with local people. 1671 01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:50,817 This was a transformative moment for the folks in that room. 1672 01:39:50,852 --> 01:39:55,521 This was the first time 1673 01:39:55,557 --> 01:39:59,892 that they ever had seen one of their own, 1674 01:39:59,928 --> 01:40:02,428 a black Mississippian who they all knew, 1675 01:40:02,464 --> 01:40:04,931 first of all, on television, 1676 01:40:04,966 --> 01:40:10,336 secondly, standing up for their rights. 1677 01:40:10,372 --> 01:40:14,073 I began to scream, and one white man got up 1678 01:40:14,109 --> 01:40:18,011 and began to beat me in my head and tell me to hush. 1679 01:40:18,046 --> 01:40:22,915 CHARLIE COBB: You listen to Mrs. Hamer and you're absolutely convinced 1680 01:40:22,951 --> 01:40:26,619 that there's absolutely no justification 1681 01:40:26,654 --> 01:40:30,189 for seating this all-white delegation. 1682 01:40:30,225 --> 01:40:31,758 HAMER: And if the Freedom Democratic Party 1683 01:40:31,793 --> 01:40:36,362 is not seated now, I question America. 1684 01:40:36,398 --> 01:40:38,664 Is this America? 1685 01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:41,868 The land of the free and the home of the brave? 1686 01:40:41,903 --> 01:40:47,140 Where we have to sleep with our telephones off of the hook 1687 01:40:47,175 --> 01:40:50,643 because our lives be threatened daily. 1688 01:40:50,678 --> 01:40:56,015 Because we want to live as decent human beings in America. 1689 01:40:56,051 --> 01:40:57,717 Thank you. 1690 01:40:57,752 --> 01:41:02,055 (applause) 1691 01:41:02,090 --> 01:41:04,424 REPORTER: That testimony, offered in public session last Saturday, 1692 01:41:04,459 --> 01:41:06,959 we are told had the greatest impact 1693 01:41:06,995 --> 01:41:09,996 on the women members of the credentials committee 1694 01:41:10,031 --> 01:41:11,330 and it is from among them 1695 01:41:11,366 --> 01:41:12,999 that a sufficient number has been found 1696 01:41:13,034 --> 01:41:14,467 to make a minority report possible. 1697 01:41:16,137 --> 01:41:18,104 EDITH GREEN: The Freedom Democratic Party 1698 01:41:18,139 --> 01:41:19,739 has done everything in its power, 1699 01:41:19,774 --> 01:41:21,574 as I listen to the testimony, 1700 01:41:21,609 --> 01:41:25,812 to abide by the laws and rules of Mississippi. 1701 01:41:25,847 --> 01:41:28,414 I think they ought to be seated in this convention. 1702 01:41:28,450 --> 01:41:29,982 I think they represent 1703 01:41:30,018 --> 01:41:33,186 about 50% of the population of Mississippi, 1704 01:41:33,221 --> 01:41:34,987 all the Negroes in Mississippi 1705 01:41:35,023 --> 01:41:37,623 who are excluded from voting and participation 1706 01:41:37,659 --> 01:41:39,659 in the regular Democratic Party. 1707 01:41:39,694 --> 01:41:43,796 And I think certainly, they're entitled to representation. 1708 01:41:53,541 --> 01:41:55,708 COBB: There was a lot of sympathy 1709 01:41:55,743 --> 01:42:00,346 for seating this Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 1710 01:42:00,381 --> 01:42:02,381 But once you see that Lyndon Johnson 1711 01:42:02,417 --> 01:42:08,254 has shut down Mrs. Hamer during her live testimony, 1712 01:42:08,289 --> 01:42:11,724 you can't help but wonder, "What else is he going to do? 1713 01:42:11,759 --> 01:42:16,796 "And how are these delegates going to respond 1714 01:42:16,831 --> 01:42:19,665 when there's real pressure placed on them?" 1715 01:42:49,664 --> 01:42:51,864 DITTMER: People who were on the credentials committee 1716 01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,734 who were listed as being supportive 1717 01:42:54,769 --> 01:42:57,737 of the challenge found that... 1718 01:42:57,772 --> 01:42:59,705 In one case, a woman said, 1719 01:42:59,741 --> 01:43:02,575 "Well, your husband isn't going to get that judgeship." 1720 01:43:02,610 --> 01:43:06,112 There was other pressure applied throughout. 1721 01:43:06,147 --> 01:43:08,714 So what had appeared to be a certainty 1722 01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:11,918 became less and less certain. 1723 01:43:11,953 --> 01:43:14,086 WATSON: Johnson was using everything he possibly could 1724 01:43:14,122 --> 01:43:17,657 to keep this challenge at bay. 1725 01:43:17,692 --> 01:43:19,292 Hubert Humphrey, 1726 01:43:19,327 --> 01:43:21,627 he was slated to be the vice-presidential nominee 1727 01:43:21,663 --> 01:43:23,296 and yet Johnson told him, 1728 01:43:23,331 --> 01:43:25,631 "You will not be the vice-presidential nominee 1729 01:43:25,667 --> 01:43:28,401 if you can't fix this Mississippi problem." 1730 01:43:31,172 --> 01:43:32,638 He called Walter Reuther, 1731 01:43:32,674 --> 01:43:34,307 his old friend with the United Auto Workers, 1732 01:43:34,342 --> 01:43:35,708 and Joe Rauh, his old friend, 1733 01:43:35,743 --> 01:43:38,244 sent him to Atlantic City on a red-eye flight to work, 1734 01:43:38,279 --> 01:43:40,546 and they began to manipulate and pull strings. 1735 01:44:01,069 --> 01:44:03,836 WATSON: Walter Reuther was the chairman of the United Auto Workers, 1736 01:44:03,871 --> 01:44:05,071 at that time certainly 1737 01:44:05,106 --> 01:44:07,807 one of the most powerful unions in America. 1738 01:44:07,842 --> 01:44:09,609 He was Joe Rauh's boss, 1739 01:44:09,644 --> 01:44:11,877 and Joe Rauh was the counsel for the United Auto Workers. 1740 01:44:11,913 --> 01:44:15,982 MARKMAN: Reuther came to Rauh and made this threat: 1741 01:44:16,017 --> 01:44:19,819 "You either buy this compromise 1742 01:44:19,854 --> 01:44:22,588 or you're no longer counsel of the UAW." 1743 01:44:22,624 --> 01:44:24,924 And it worked. 1744 01:44:40,708 --> 01:44:44,443 REPORTER: Late this afternoon, a compromise offer came 1745 01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,046 or the compromise announcement came 1746 01:44:47,081 --> 01:44:49,181 in a special meeting of the credentials committee 1747 01:44:49,217 --> 01:44:50,516 here in the auditorium. 1748 01:44:50,551 --> 01:44:53,719 Walter Mondale, who's chairman of the subcommittee 1749 01:44:53,755 --> 01:44:57,690 that drew it up, gave the details. 1750 01:44:57,725 --> 01:45:00,326 We recommend that the convention 1751 01:45:00,361 --> 01:45:02,628 instruct the Democratic National Committee... 1752 01:45:02,664 --> 01:45:06,299 MARKMAN: The compromise that was ultimately reached was 1753 01:45:06,334 --> 01:45:09,302 we would give them two seats 1754 01:45:09,337 --> 01:45:12,972 and the official Mississippi delegation 1755 01:45:13,007 --> 01:45:17,109 would keep its 68 seats. 1756 01:45:17,145 --> 01:45:20,613 Someone came in and said, 1757 01:45:20,648 --> 01:45:24,917 "They have offered us a compromise." 1758 01:45:28,690 --> 01:45:32,958 And at that point, some of us that was there 1759 01:45:32,994 --> 01:45:36,562 jumped up and said, "Oh, hell no." 1760 01:45:40,501 --> 01:45:45,571 McLAURIN: We didn't come all the way here to Atlantic City for two seats. 1761 01:45:45,606 --> 01:45:49,241 We came to unseat them, to come back to Mississippi 1762 01:45:49,277 --> 01:45:53,012 representing the Democratic Party. 1763 01:45:53,047 --> 01:45:56,082 REPORTER: Last night, Congressman Adam Clayton Powell 1764 01:45:56,117 --> 01:45:59,418 of New York City came by our CBS News studios, 1765 01:45:59,454 --> 01:46:01,987 and I talked with him. 1766 01:46:02,023 --> 01:46:04,023 You would recommend that they accept that compromise? 1767 01:46:04,058 --> 01:46:06,092 Oh yes, very definitely. 1768 01:46:06,127 --> 01:46:11,864 PEGGY JEAN CONNOR: Adam Clayton Powell, he came and telling us that, 1769 01:46:11,899 --> 01:46:14,100 "You all got to do this. 1770 01:46:14,135 --> 01:46:15,568 "This is politics. 1771 01:46:15,603 --> 01:46:21,040 You give and you take and you compromise." 1772 01:46:21,075 --> 01:46:23,943 The black establishment just couldn't comprehend 1773 01:46:23,978 --> 01:46:26,779 that this group of people-- 1774 01:46:26,814 --> 01:46:31,984 these sharecroppers, these maids, these small farmers, 1775 01:46:32,019 --> 01:46:35,221 these people from Mississippi backcountry-- 1776 01:46:35,256 --> 01:46:38,824 would walk away from what these generous white people offered. 1777 01:46:38,860 --> 01:46:41,127 They couldn't understand that. 1778 01:46:41,162 --> 01:46:47,600 PEGGY JEAN CONNOR: Adam Clayton Powell didn't know Fannie Lou. 1779 01:46:47,635 --> 01:46:50,336 And he walked up to her and he said, 1780 01:46:50,371 --> 01:46:53,839 "You don't know who I am, do you?" 1781 01:46:53,875 --> 01:46:56,575 And she just reared back in her seat and said, 1782 01:46:56,611 --> 01:46:58,844 "Yeah, I know who you are. 1783 01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:02,381 You are Adam Clayton Powell." 1784 01:47:02,417 --> 01:47:08,587 She said, "But how many bales of cotton have you picked? 1785 01:47:08,623 --> 01:47:14,160 How many beatings have you taken?" 1786 01:47:14,195 --> 01:47:16,095 He couldn't say nothing. 1787 01:47:19,734 --> 01:47:22,034 Well, here's a piece of tape made a minute or two ago 1788 01:47:22,069 --> 01:47:26,439 at the Union Baptist Temple in Atlantic City, 1789 01:47:26,474 --> 01:47:28,307 a meeting of the Freedom Democrat Party 1790 01:47:28,342 --> 01:47:30,342 to consider this compromise. 1791 01:47:30,378 --> 01:47:36,215 AARON HENRY: The delegates of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party 1792 01:47:36,250 --> 01:47:39,985 has just voted unanimously to reject the proposal 1793 01:47:40,021 --> 01:47:42,955 that has been offered by the credentials committee. 1794 01:47:56,637 --> 01:47:59,071 DENNIS: We missed a golden opportunity, this country did, 1795 01:47:59,106 --> 01:48:01,373 to come out and show the world 1796 01:48:01,409 --> 01:48:03,042 what a democracy really should look like 1797 01:48:03,077 --> 01:48:07,313 and how this country would stand for and protect people 1798 01:48:07,348 --> 01:48:09,582 who were fighting for the Constitution 1799 01:48:09,617 --> 01:48:11,650 of the United States of America. 1800 01:48:11,686 --> 01:48:14,653 They walked us right up to the doorsteps 1801 01:48:14,689 --> 01:48:17,823 and then slammed the door. 1802 01:48:17,859 --> 01:48:21,861 (crowd cheering) 1803 01:48:21,896 --> 01:48:23,929 The Honorable Lyndon B. Johnson is nominated by acclimation 1804 01:48:23,965 --> 01:48:25,164 as our candidate 1805 01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:27,399 for the office of president of the United States. 1806 01:48:27,435 --> 01:48:29,668 (cheering) 1807 01:48:29,704 --> 01:48:31,704 The convention went as Johnson wanted. 1808 01:48:31,739 --> 01:48:33,906 He appeared in the great cheers and hurrahs 1809 01:48:33,941 --> 01:48:36,675 and standing ovations, 1810 01:48:36,711 --> 01:48:39,512 and he was a happy president of the United States. 1811 01:48:39,547 --> 01:48:42,515 Hubert Humphrey got rewarded, 1812 01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:46,619 he was selected as vice president, and that was that. 1813 01:48:51,893 --> 01:48:55,127 McLAURIN: I felt bad that we had not unseated 1814 01:48:55,162 --> 01:48:57,596 the Mississippi delegation. 1815 01:48:57,632 --> 01:49:00,232 But Fannie Lou and I came home 1816 01:49:00,268 --> 01:49:05,437 with the feeling that our mission had not ended. 1817 01:49:05,473 --> 01:49:10,442 We were coming home to continue to fight for the right to vote. 1818 01:49:10,478 --> 01:49:16,148 We were charged because we had stuff back here to do. 1819 01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:24,123 Under this act, if any county anywhere in this nation 1820 01:49:24,158 --> 01:49:27,259 does not want federal intervention, 1821 01:49:27,295 --> 01:49:34,166 it need only open its polling places to all of its people. 1822 01:49:34,201 --> 01:49:36,468 WATSON: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 1823 01:49:36,504 --> 01:49:38,070 actually got its birth during Freedom Summer. 1824 01:49:38,105 --> 01:49:41,073 It was signed in August of 1965, 1825 01:49:41,108 --> 01:49:43,242 and one of the most important things it did 1826 01:49:43,277 --> 01:49:46,779 was it abolished literacy tests, 1827 01:49:46,814 --> 01:49:49,214 and it put voting in seven Southern states 1828 01:49:49,250 --> 01:49:51,050 under federal supervision. 1829 01:49:51,085 --> 01:49:53,786 And that above all else, the legacy of Freedom Summer 1830 01:49:53,821 --> 01:49:56,088 really, really changed American politics. 1831 01:49:56,123 --> 01:49:57,756 By the end of 1965, 1832 01:49:57,792 --> 01:50:02,127 60% of blacks in Mississippi were registered to vote. 1833 01:50:04,966 --> 01:50:08,801 JULIAN BOND: There's this great pressure within the movement, 1834 01:50:08,836 --> 01:50:10,636 people saying, "Well, we did our best. 1835 01:50:10,671 --> 01:50:13,672 "We did the right thing and it didn't work out. 1836 01:50:13,708 --> 01:50:16,609 "You know, when we were organizers, that was okay. 1837 01:50:16,644 --> 01:50:20,946 "But when we tried to have power, 1838 01:50:20,982 --> 01:50:22,715 the power rose up and knocked us down." 1839 01:50:28,389 --> 01:50:31,023 After the convention, the movement changes. 1840 01:50:31,058 --> 01:50:34,159 There's this movement toward Black Nationalism 1841 01:50:34,195 --> 01:50:36,061 which grows in SNNC. 1842 01:50:36,097 --> 01:50:38,731 There is just an idea 1843 01:50:38,766 --> 01:50:40,833 of thinking about what we've been doing 1844 01:50:40,868 --> 01:50:42,635 and doing something else, something different. 1845 01:50:42,670 --> 01:50:44,303 We want black power! 1846 01:50:44,338 --> 01:50:45,404 CROWD: Black power! 1847 01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:46,605 We want black power! 1848 01:50:46,641 --> 01:50:47,706 CROWD: Black power! 1849 01:50:47,742 --> 01:50:48,874 We want black power! 1850 01:50:48,909 --> 01:50:50,009 CROWD: Black power! 1851 01:50:50,044 --> 01:50:51,076 We want black power! 1852 01:50:51,112 --> 01:50:51,977 CROWD: Black power! 1853 01:50:52,013 --> 01:50:53,345 We want black power! 1854 01:50:55,716 --> 01:50:59,551 MILLER: When I was leaving Mississippi, I did not want to go. 1855 01:50:59,587 --> 01:51:02,221 You know, you fall in love with the people. 1856 01:51:02,256 --> 01:51:03,989 You fall in love with that community, 1857 01:51:04,025 --> 01:51:06,592 that wholeness that you have when you're working 1858 01:51:06,627 --> 01:51:09,828 as a part of something that's meaningful. 1859 01:51:09,864 --> 01:51:12,264 To know that you're just going back 1860 01:51:12,299 --> 01:51:17,569 to... a pretty staid life 1861 01:51:17,605 --> 01:51:19,271 was very, very hard. 1862 01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:25,744 WILLIAMS: I hope, sincerely hope 1863 01:51:25,780 --> 01:51:28,313 that I made some small difference 1864 01:51:28,349 --> 01:51:33,652 in moving the movement forward in rural Mississippi, 1865 01:51:33,688 --> 01:51:35,654 of lifting the oppression 1866 01:51:35,690 --> 01:51:38,891 off the necks of people who lived there. 1867 01:51:38,926 --> 01:51:41,860 But I don't have any doubt all these years later 1868 01:51:41,896 --> 01:51:43,796 that the person who benefited the most 1869 01:51:43,831 --> 01:51:47,299 from my being in Mississippi was me. 1870 01:51:53,307 --> 01:51:58,277 I have an experience that's unique among white Americans 1871 01:51:58,312 --> 01:52:01,814 of an understanding of race 1872 01:52:01,849 --> 01:52:05,818 that is impossible to get hardly any other way. 1873 01:52:11,058 --> 01:52:12,925 HARRIS: The system, the Jim Crow system, 1874 01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,027 had told me to stay in my place. 1875 01:52:15,062 --> 01:52:16,261 It had told me that, 1876 01:52:16,297 --> 01:52:18,564 "You have a role to play in Jim Crow society. 1877 01:52:18,599 --> 01:52:19,898 Play it well." 1878 01:52:19,934 --> 01:52:23,335 And I had played it well, so did many other black people, 1879 01:52:23,370 --> 01:52:25,604 but now Freedom Summer was telling us, 1880 01:52:25,639 --> 01:52:28,540 "You don't have to play that role anymore, folks. 1881 01:52:28,576 --> 01:52:30,509 "You are now on the path. 1882 01:52:30,544 --> 01:52:33,345 "It's going to be a tough struggle 1883 01:52:33,380 --> 01:52:35,047 "for children, for adults, 1884 01:52:35,082 --> 01:52:36,749 "for everybody involved in the movement, 1885 01:52:36,784 --> 01:52:38,383 "it's going to be tough. 1886 01:52:38,419 --> 01:52:41,386 But that train has left the station, y'all." 1887 01:52:57,638 --> 01:53:00,172 Experience 1888 01:53:00,241 --> 01:53:02,207 is provided by: 1889 01:53:12,119 --> 01:53:14,520 Additional funding is provided by: 1890 01:53:24,565 --> 01:53:25,798 And by members of: 1891 01:53:30,971 --> 01:53:33,338 American Experience is also made possible by: 1892 01:53:36,110 --> 01:53:38,410 And by contributions to your PBS station from: 1893 01:54:06,173 --> 01:54:10,442 There's more American Experience online at pbs.org, 1894 01:54:10,477 --> 01:54:12,945 where you can find out how to join the discussion 1895 01:54:12,980 --> 01:54:14,646 on Facebook and Twitter. 1896 01:54:14,682 --> 01:54:16,849 American Experience: "Freedom Summer" 1897 01:54:16,884 --> 01:54:19,084 is available on DVD. 1898 01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:24,256 To order, visit shopPBS.org or call 1-800-play-PBS. 1899 01:54:24,291 --> 01:54:26,758 American Experience is also available for download 1900 01:54:26,794 --> 01:54:28,193 on iTunes. 1901 01:54:35,336 --> 01:54:28,193 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 172717

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