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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,945 --> 00:00:13,947 ["Star Trek" theme] 2 00:00:13,981 --> 00:00:16,617 male narrator: On September 8th, 1966, 3 00:00:16,650 --> 00:00:19,987 America tunes in to catch a glimpse of the future 4 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:23,224 and launches a global phenomenon. 5 00:00:23,257 --> 00:00:26,060 A television series like no other 6 00:00:26,094 --> 00:00:27,628 that unites us in its vision 7 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:29,197 of a better world to come. 8 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:32,633 - Here's a group of people who are solving problems together, 9 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:34,368 and they're all different, diverse people. 10 00:00:34,402 --> 00:00:38,005 narrator: This is the secret history of "Star Trek." 11 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,141 It's epic 50-year mission. 12 00:00:40,174 --> 00:00:41,909 - That was what was so brilliant about "Star Trek" 13 00:00:41,942 --> 00:00:45,079 was that it was human nature and human instinct 14 00:00:45,113 --> 00:00:47,615 and the drive to want to know more 15 00:00:47,648 --> 00:00:49,417 combined with adventure. 16 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:52,086 narrator: The mastermind of the "Star Trek" universe. 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,655 - And Gene says, "Do you want to be on Star Trek?" 18 00:00:54,688 --> 00:00:58,292 I said, "Yes. Yes!" 19 00:00:58,326 --> 00:01:00,494 narrator: The cast and crew reveal the stories 20 00:01:00,528 --> 00:01:01,829 you've never heard. 21 00:01:01,862 --> 00:01:03,197 - Roddenberry looked at the beard and goes, 22 00:01:03,231 --> 00:01:05,633 "I love the beard. It's nautical." 23 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:09,170 narrator: Plus Leonard Nimoy's final full interview. 24 00:01:09,203 --> 00:01:11,305 - If I were given the choice of any character 25 00:01:11,339 --> 00:01:15,075 ever portrayed on television, I would choose Spock. 26 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:16,477 - Happy anniversary, "Star Trek." 27 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:18,679 Happy 50th. Wow, way to go. 28 00:01:18,712 --> 00:01:21,081 - Before anybody else were touching on subjects, 29 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:23,884 racism, segregation, discrimination, 30 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:25,786 before any other TV shows did. 31 00:01:25,819 --> 00:01:28,689 - "Star Trek: Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 32 00:01:28,722 --> 00:01:30,224 - There's an optimism to it 33 00:01:30,258 --> 00:01:32,593 that I think we've never needed more than now. 34 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:34,395 - Seven of Nine's one of my favorite "Star Trek" characters 35 00:01:34,428 --> 00:01:35,929 because she was so hot. 36 00:01:35,963 --> 00:01:38,699 narrator: Featuring an intimate conversation with cast members, 37 00:01:38,732 --> 00:01:41,402 comedians, scientists, and academics 38 00:01:41,435 --> 00:01:43,571 covering all things "Star Trek." 39 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:45,739 - That was one of my big fears in accepting the role. 40 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:48,976 - Happy 50th anniversary, "Star Trek." 41 00:01:49,009 --> 00:01:50,711 You know how old that makes me? 42 00:01:50,744 --> 00:01:54,215 narrator: "50 Years of 'Star Trek." 43 00:01:57,618 --> 00:02:00,421 - We're here on the 50th anniversary of "Star Trek" 44 00:02:00,454 --> 00:02:02,623 at the Griffith Observatory 45 00:02:02,656 --> 00:02:04,925 outside the Leonard Nimoy theater 46 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:08,762 to discuss "Star Trek" with a lot of great people 47 00:02:08,796 --> 00:02:10,798 and a lot of fine minds and Kevin Pollak. 48 00:02:10,831 --> 00:02:13,100 [laughter] 49 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,135 Let's just jump right into it. 50 00:02:15,169 --> 00:02:18,206 Let's talk about the general impact of "Star Trek." 51 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:21,375 - The great sense of discovery and curiosity 52 00:02:21,409 --> 00:02:24,278 on this five-year mission to seek out new worlds. 53 00:02:24,312 --> 00:02:25,779 You know, those--those-- 54 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:28,382 that phraseology was kind of impactful. 55 00:02:28,416 --> 00:02:30,684 - "The Measure of Man" where Data's on trial, 56 00:02:30,718 --> 00:02:33,421 that's the episode that led me to create my class. 57 00:02:33,454 --> 00:02:34,655 - Oh, wow. - Because it has references 58 00:02:34,688 --> 00:02:36,457 to slavery in it, and I thought about, 59 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:37,891 "Gee, this is very interesting." 60 00:02:37,925 --> 00:02:40,194 You know, there's a whole pro-slavery argument. 61 00:02:40,228 --> 00:02:42,863 It's really the Dred Scott decision worked out there. 62 00:02:42,896 --> 00:02:44,432 - Yeah. - Is Data property or not? 63 00:02:44,465 --> 00:02:46,033 - I saw a couple of episodes 64 00:02:46,066 --> 00:02:47,601 of the original series when I was a kid 65 00:02:47,635 --> 00:02:50,338 because you can't not have seen some things. 66 00:02:50,371 --> 00:02:51,939 I saw the Tribble episode, I think, 67 00:02:51,972 --> 00:02:55,142 and I saw the planet of kids, "grups." 68 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:56,277 And they were saying, "Grups, grups," that one. 69 00:02:56,310 --> 00:02:57,645 Whatever. - Yeah. 70 00:02:57,678 --> 00:02:59,680 - But I was never a sci-fi fan, so I wasn't into it. 71 00:02:59,713 --> 00:03:01,849 And I never watched any of the other incarnations 72 00:03:01,882 --> 00:03:02,950 until I was on the show. 73 00:03:02,983 --> 00:03:05,453 - I saw "Star Trek" as this, you know, 74 00:03:05,486 --> 00:03:07,788 amazing way of bringing humanity together, right? 75 00:03:07,821 --> 00:03:09,357 You had the height of the Cold War. 76 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:11,592 You had a Russian and American people working together. 77 00:03:11,625 --> 00:03:14,462 You had black people and white people working together. 78 00:03:14,495 --> 00:03:16,597 That's an incredible thing to see as a kid 79 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:19,633 when, you know, you're from two worlds 80 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:21,669 that really also don't get along. 81 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:23,036 - I first started on the original series, 82 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:24,772 my mother was a big fan, and those were reruns 83 00:03:24,805 --> 00:03:26,039 that were happening at the time. 84 00:03:26,073 --> 00:03:28,442 It was right before "Next Generation" started 85 00:03:28,476 --> 00:03:30,511 and it was--I just always was fascinated 86 00:03:30,544 --> 00:03:32,746 by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness. 87 00:03:32,780 --> 00:03:35,015 That relationship with Spock I thought was amazing. 88 00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:36,950 He just was, like, "I can't stand you, 89 00:03:36,984 --> 00:03:38,319 but I love you." - Yeah. 90 00:03:38,352 --> 00:03:40,254 - And I was like, "Oh, that's my family." 91 00:03:40,288 --> 00:03:41,555 [laughter] 92 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:43,957 I understand everything from "Star Trek." 93 00:03:43,991 --> 00:03:45,359 - Yes. - You know, it's funny 94 00:03:45,393 --> 00:03:48,028 because I wasn't allowed to watch TV 95 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:49,597 when "Star Trek" was on the air. 96 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:51,198 My parents wouldn't let me watch it. 97 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,801 So I snuck downstairs and I turned on the TV. 98 00:03:53,834 --> 00:03:57,638 And, uh, that was my first-- the first time I saw the show. 99 00:03:57,671 --> 00:03:59,707 I think it was, um, "This Side of Paradise" 100 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:00,974 was the episode. - Oh. 101 00:04:01,008 --> 00:04:04,445 - And you could tell that whoever was doing the show 102 00:04:04,478 --> 00:04:06,079 was a science fiction fan. 103 00:04:06,113 --> 00:04:11,285 * 104 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:14,455 narrator: "Star Trek" begins as the brainchild of one man, 105 00:04:14,488 --> 00:04:17,625 Gene Roddenberry, a former World War II pilot 106 00:04:17,658 --> 00:04:19,893 and policeman turned screenwriter. 107 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:23,397 His first television series premieres in 1963, 108 00:04:23,431 --> 00:04:26,133 and features a few faces that will soon become familiar 109 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:28,602 to "Trek" fans. 110 00:04:28,636 --> 00:04:31,271 - He was a big man, enthusiastic. 111 00:04:31,305 --> 00:04:34,908 He really, really loved producing a show, 112 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,477 which he had never done before. 113 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:37,778 He created "The Lieutenant." 114 00:04:37,811 --> 00:04:39,813 [patriotic music] 115 00:04:39,847 --> 00:04:43,651 - It was "The Lieutenant." It was his first big TV show. 116 00:04:43,684 --> 00:04:46,086 And he cast me. 117 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:50,123 - I had acted in an episode of a series called "The Lieutenant" 118 00:04:50,157 --> 00:04:52,025 that was produced by Gene Roddenberry. 119 00:04:52,059 --> 00:04:53,961 My agent called me and said, "He's interested in you 120 00:04:53,994 --> 00:04:57,898 for a science fiction pilot that he's gonna produce. 121 00:04:57,931 --> 00:05:00,468 narrator: "The Lieutenant" runs for just one season, 122 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:03,804 but Roddenberry's already working on a bigger idea. 123 00:05:03,837 --> 00:05:08,008 In 1964, he begins pitching a series about a starship 124 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:09,743 with a multi-ethnic crew. 125 00:05:09,777 --> 00:05:13,146 - I had worked for him directly when his secretary was ill. 126 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:16,517 And he knew that I had sold some things 127 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:19,620 that I wanted to be a writer, a full-time writer. 128 00:05:19,653 --> 00:05:22,089 And he called me into his office and said, 129 00:05:22,122 --> 00:05:24,157 "What do you think of this?" And he showed me 130 00:05:24,191 --> 00:05:28,596 about a 10-12 page piece that was called "Star Trek." 131 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:32,633 - Well, he had done... both: "The Lieutenant." 132 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:35,536 - I went in to do a pitch on a story. 133 00:05:35,569 --> 00:05:39,006 Somehow or another, he asked if I was interested 134 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:41,174 in doing "Star Trek." 135 00:05:41,208 --> 00:05:43,877 I said, "Yeah, I would be interested in that." 136 00:05:43,911 --> 00:05:45,112 - And I went home, and I read it, 137 00:05:45,145 --> 00:05:46,279 and I came back the next day, and I said, 138 00:05:46,313 --> 00:05:47,381 "Who plays Mr. Spock." 139 00:05:47,415 --> 00:05:50,083 - The script was very good, very good. 140 00:05:50,117 --> 00:05:52,252 I didn't quite understand how it was gonna work 141 00:05:52,285 --> 00:05:54,922 as a television show because it was so unique. 142 00:05:54,955 --> 00:05:57,224 It was really quite special. 143 00:05:57,257 --> 00:05:59,259 But it was a very intelligent script. 144 00:05:59,292 --> 00:06:02,195 It had layers of ideas in it 145 00:06:02,229 --> 00:06:04,698 that you didn't often get in television. 146 00:06:04,732 --> 00:06:06,266 - Roddenberry was very inspired 147 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:08,936 by Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels." 148 00:06:08,969 --> 00:06:11,472 And wanted to tell stories 149 00:06:11,505 --> 00:06:13,474 that you couldn't normally tell on television 150 00:06:13,507 --> 00:06:15,008 through the prism of science fiction. 151 00:06:15,042 --> 00:06:17,945 - He was such a complex and interesting man. 152 00:06:17,978 --> 00:06:21,081 Very bright, very bright. 153 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:23,383 Hard-working. 154 00:06:23,417 --> 00:06:24,918 Tough job, tough job. 155 00:06:24,952 --> 00:06:26,754 Particularly getting "Star Trek" right 156 00:06:26,787 --> 00:06:28,188 the first couple of seasons. 157 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:31,124 To get it--to get it what he wanted it to be. 158 00:06:31,158 --> 00:06:33,226 - They didn't think there was a big enough audience out there. 159 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:35,429 They thought it was gonna be sci-fi kooks and kids. 160 00:06:35,463 --> 00:06:37,230 And they didn't think they could make enough money 161 00:06:37,264 --> 00:06:40,868 from their sponsors to put these on in prime-time. 162 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:42,670 Well, they had put on "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" 163 00:06:42,703 --> 00:06:46,239 in fall of '64, winning its timeslot for ABC. 164 00:06:46,273 --> 00:06:49,142 Fall of '65, he puts on "Lost In Space" on CBS. 165 00:06:49,176 --> 00:06:51,712 It's winning its timeslot for CBS. 166 00:06:51,745 --> 00:06:53,781 That was when they made the decision to put it on 167 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:56,383 for the fall of '66. NBC wants one. 168 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,652 They felt they were missing the boat. 169 00:06:58,686 --> 00:07:00,087 narrator: President John F. Kennedy 170 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,655 issues a challenge: 171 00:07:01,689 --> 00:07:04,958 To put a man on the moon before the end of the decade. 172 00:07:04,992 --> 00:07:09,162 The space race heats up as America looks to the stars. 173 00:07:09,196 --> 00:07:13,100 And one unlikely supporter sees an opportunity. 174 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:16,069 - Well, "Star Trek" may be the first TV show 175 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:17,738 I can really remember. 176 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:20,541 "Star Trek" and "Mission: Impossible." 177 00:07:20,574 --> 00:07:23,644 In fact, the both--the two great Desilu productions. 178 00:07:23,677 --> 00:07:26,847 - The other player in "Star Trek" 179 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,682 and get it on the air was Lucille Ball 180 00:07:28,716 --> 00:07:30,784 with Desilu Studios. 181 00:07:30,818 --> 00:07:34,488 - It was Lucille Ball who said, "Let's make this." 182 00:07:34,522 --> 00:07:37,825 - That studio was built on reruns. 183 00:07:37,858 --> 00:07:40,460 And when "I Love Lucy" was in production, 184 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:42,162 they wanted to film it here in LA. 185 00:07:42,195 --> 00:07:44,331 So they said, "We'll pay the difference and film this 186 00:07:44,364 --> 00:07:45,999 if we can have the rerun rights." 187 00:07:46,033 --> 00:07:48,301 And the answer from Harry Ackerman at CBS was, 188 00:07:48,335 --> 00:07:49,469 "What's a rerun?" 189 00:07:49,503 --> 00:07:51,605 Nobody had ever rerun anything on TV. 190 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,707 They shot it live, it was gone. 191 00:07:53,741 --> 00:07:55,876 And "Star Trek" was brought in. 192 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:59,847 And Lucy said, "I think that could rerun for ten years. 193 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,715 Well, here we are 50 years later. 194 00:08:01,749 --> 00:08:03,651 "I Love Lucy" is still on five days a week 195 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:05,152 in every city around the country. 196 00:08:05,185 --> 00:08:06,854 And probably the second most rerun show 197 00:08:06,887 --> 00:08:08,556 in the history of television is "Star Trek." 198 00:08:08,589 --> 00:08:12,292 Let's give her credit, Lucy loved "Star Trek." 199 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:14,161 And we wouldn't have had "Star Trek" without Lucy, 200 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:15,395 so we love Lucy. 201 00:08:15,428 --> 00:08:19,099 - You know, my father passed away when I was 17. 202 00:08:19,132 --> 00:08:21,535 He's got such a legacy and he's touched so many people 203 00:08:21,569 --> 00:08:24,938 that I've learned a great deal about him after his passing. 204 00:08:24,972 --> 00:08:27,474 You know, he was a bomber pilot in World War II. 205 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:32,546 He flew something like, uh, is it 79 or 89 missions. 206 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:34,682 My father had seen the best of humanity 207 00:08:34,715 --> 00:08:36,349 and he'd seen the worst of humanity. 208 00:08:36,383 --> 00:08:38,719 But I think that really helped shape his view 209 00:08:38,752 --> 00:08:40,854 of "Star Trek" and that better future. 210 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:49,763 narrator: The pilot episode of "Star Trek" is filmed in 1965, 211 00:08:49,797 --> 00:08:51,765 introducing the world to what would become 212 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:54,735 one of the most iconic characters of all time, 213 00:08:54,768 --> 00:08:56,970 Mr. Spock. 214 00:08:57,004 --> 00:08:59,206 - And he shoved a picture of Leonard Nimoy 215 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:00,407 across the desk at me. 216 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,377 At that point, he was a Martian first officer. 217 00:09:04,411 --> 00:09:06,413 - He said a character with pointed ears, 218 00:09:06,446 --> 00:09:08,882 and that set me back a bit. 219 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:10,751 I had to think about that one. 220 00:09:10,784 --> 00:09:16,323 - Leonard was an actor. He was a real actor. 221 00:09:16,356 --> 00:09:17,891 - And he walked me through the various departments. 222 00:09:17,925 --> 00:09:19,793 He showed me where they were making the props. 223 00:09:19,827 --> 00:09:22,162 He showed me where the sets were being designed, 224 00:09:22,195 --> 00:09:24,364 the design for the Enterprise, the ship. 225 00:09:24,397 --> 00:09:27,768 And I realized that he was selling me on this job. 226 00:09:27,801 --> 00:09:30,503 And that's the way it would happen. 227 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:33,506 narrator: The network orders a new "Star Trek" pilot. 228 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:35,142 Spock stays on board, 229 00:09:35,175 --> 00:09:37,577 but the Enterprise gets an entirely new crew, 230 00:09:37,611 --> 00:09:40,480 including a brash, young captain, 231 00:09:40,513 --> 00:09:41,849 James T. Kirk. 232 00:09:41,882 --> 00:09:45,986 - William Shatner had Kirk down 233 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:48,088 from act one, scene one, 234 00:09:48,121 --> 00:09:49,723 and he played that through right till the end 235 00:09:49,757 --> 00:09:52,059 in "Star Trek: Generations" in 1994. 236 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:54,227 - You know, Shatner, who's totally nailing the part, 237 00:09:54,261 --> 00:09:57,497 but DeForest Kelley, the person that Gene wanted 238 00:09:57,530 --> 00:09:59,967 from the beginning for Dr. McCoy. 239 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,670 - Scotty felt like he was a little more fully formed 240 00:10:02,703 --> 00:10:04,237 as a character. 241 00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:06,774 There was an empathy with Jimmy Doohan's performance. 242 00:10:06,807 --> 00:10:08,909 We just liked Scotty. You wanted to hang out with Scotty. 243 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,945 You wanted to go have a drink in the bar with Scotty, you know? 244 00:10:11,979 --> 00:10:13,546 - It's a very hallowed and beloved thing 245 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:15,315 that you don't want to mess up. 246 00:10:15,348 --> 00:10:16,917 I feel honored to play Scotty. 247 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,686 I will always defer to the greatest Scotty ever, 248 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:20,153 which was James Doohan, 249 00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:23,090 but if I can do half as good as he did, then I'll be happy. 250 00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:26,760 - George Takei, who plays Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm. 251 00:10:26,794 --> 00:10:29,930 - An Asian man on a show like this, 252 00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:31,665 you seldom saw anything like that. 253 00:10:31,699 --> 00:10:33,767 And here he was, a man with responsibilities. 254 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:35,002 He was the helmsman. 255 00:10:35,035 --> 00:10:37,671 - Everyone, Nichelle, just beautiful and smart 256 00:10:37,705 --> 00:10:40,741 and an incredible role model as Uhura. 257 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:45,679 - I think the first memory of "Star Trek" really was going, 258 00:10:45,713 --> 00:10:47,514 "Oh, look..." [chuckles] 259 00:10:47,547 --> 00:10:49,249 "There's a black lady in the future." 260 00:10:49,282 --> 00:10:51,551 And this was the first time I knew 261 00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:53,887 we would be in the future. 262 00:10:53,921 --> 00:10:55,789 - Later on, Walter Koenig as Chekov. 263 00:10:55,823 --> 00:10:58,759 - If the circumstances hadn't fallen the way they did, 264 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:00,293 if things hadn't happened the way they did, 265 00:11:00,327 --> 00:11:03,030 then I probably never been in for the role 266 00:11:03,063 --> 00:11:05,232 of Chekov on "Star Trek." 267 00:11:05,265 --> 00:11:08,235 I read one line. He says, "You got the part." 268 00:11:08,268 --> 00:11:09,837 And that was the part of a Russian. 269 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:11,271 - Who had a Russian on the show? 270 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,574 We were still just reaching out trying to make contact 271 00:11:14,607 --> 00:11:16,409 with Russia in a friendly sense. 272 00:11:16,443 --> 00:11:18,145 - To bring these people together 273 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:20,914 created the magic that is "Star Trek." 274 00:11:20,948 --> 00:11:24,184 - From day one, we got along... [snaps] 275 00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:26,019 just like that. 276 00:11:26,053 --> 00:11:27,554 narrator: With the cast and crew assembled, 277 00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:30,858 the Enterprise is nearly ready to begin its mission. 278 00:11:30,891 --> 00:11:34,127 But Roddenberry knows something is missing. 279 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:38,231 - G.R said, "I gotta do an opening for the show." 280 00:11:38,265 --> 00:11:41,301 So he said, "You take a shot at it, 281 00:11:41,334 --> 00:11:43,771 I'll take a shot at it, we'll see what happens." 282 00:11:43,804 --> 00:11:45,372 - It was, "Space... the final frontier," 283 00:11:45,405 --> 00:11:48,441 was yours, wasn't it? - Yeah. 284 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:50,077 "The final frontier." 285 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:51,411 - "Space... 286 00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:53,313 "the final frontier. 287 00:11:53,346 --> 00:11:56,917 ["Star Trek" theme] 288 00:11:56,950 --> 00:12:00,754 - So it was some Roddenberry, it was some Black. 289 00:12:00,788 --> 00:12:04,591 We came out with... 290 00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:07,961 "Boldy go where no man has gone before." 291 00:12:07,995 --> 00:12:11,498 - To boldly go where no man has gone before. 292 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:18,906 * 293 00:12:18,939 --> 00:12:20,540 narrator: NBC premieres "Star Trek" 294 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:23,911 on a Thursday night in the fall of 1966. 295 00:12:23,944 --> 00:12:26,079 - Well, the first episode of "Star Trek,""The Man Trap," 296 00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:28,681 had 47% audience share. 297 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:31,451 Lucy wrote a memo to Gene Roddenberry saying, 298 00:12:31,484 --> 00:12:33,887 "Congratulations, boys, you're a hit." 299 00:12:33,921 --> 00:12:35,522 - Back in the late '60s, 300 00:12:35,555 --> 00:12:38,725 what "Star Trek" was doing on television was cutting edge. 301 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,160 It was ahead of its time. 302 00:12:40,193 --> 00:12:42,762 - This was the first time we saw a miniskirt on television. 303 00:12:42,796 --> 00:12:45,298 "Star Trek" premiered in September of '66, 304 00:12:45,332 --> 00:12:48,068 the mini made its debut in London 305 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:51,371 in the summer of '66 and had not made it to America. 306 00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,340 He was way ahead of his time. 307 00:12:53,373 --> 00:12:56,143 - It was also a science fiction series 308 00:12:56,176 --> 00:12:59,980 that took the subject matter very seriously. 309 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:02,615 narrator: "Star Trek" is unlike anything on television 310 00:13:02,649 --> 00:13:05,085 at the time, but what makes it unique 311 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:11,158 also threatens to destroy it. 312 00:13:11,191 --> 00:13:12,826 narrator: "Star Trek" premieres in 1966, 313 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:16,063 and instantly becomes one of the most ground-breaking series 314 00:13:16,096 --> 00:13:18,165 in the history of television. 315 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:19,766 Gene Roddenberry's vision 316 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,602 is a sign of changing times in America. 317 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:26,606 - A story about a hopeful future made in a difficult time. 318 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,575 The times were tough. 319 00:13:28,608 --> 00:13:31,644 The war in Vietnam, the racial issues that were happening, 320 00:13:31,678 --> 00:13:35,682 riots in the streets, riots at political conventions. 321 00:13:35,715 --> 00:13:38,218 People were angry and upset and nervous and concerned. 322 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:39,887 And it was this thing that said, "Hey, 323 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,721 "in the future we have a way of dealing with these issues. 324 00:13:41,754 --> 00:13:43,323 "It's gonna be okay. 325 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:46,059 "Here's a group of people who are solving problems together. 326 00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:48,361 And they're all different, diverse people." 327 00:13:48,395 --> 00:13:50,163 narrator: "Star Trek" tackles the most pressing 328 00:13:50,197 --> 00:13:52,699 social issues of its day. 329 00:13:52,732 --> 00:13:55,903 - We had the one where Uhura and Kirk kissed. 330 00:13:55,936 --> 00:13:58,305 That, I think, was more of-- I mean, I think that was great. 331 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:00,941 And the people in the South, there were probably 332 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:03,276 a lot of people jumping out of windows at that. 333 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:05,078 - The director was nervous. 334 00:14:05,112 --> 00:14:07,915 The front office at Paramount was nervous, 335 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:10,918 which was just dumb, you know, then don't do it, 336 00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:12,252 which is what I said. 337 00:14:12,285 --> 00:14:14,354 And they went, "You don't want to do it?" 338 00:14:14,387 --> 00:14:17,224 I said, "I want to do it. It's written in the script. 339 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:18,926 It's a great scene." 340 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:23,163 This is the first interracial kiss on television. 341 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:26,166 [dramatic music] 342 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:27,467 * 343 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:30,503 [applause and laughter] 344 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:37,510 - They were writing some pretty major stuff in those days. 345 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:40,647 I mean, very eloquent writers. Very knowledgeable. 346 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,051 - They did "Mark of Gideon," which got a lot of flack, 347 00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:47,720 about birth control, overpopulation. 348 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:49,289 'Cause nobody had talked about that on TV 349 00:14:49,322 --> 00:14:50,790 up until that point. 350 00:14:50,823 --> 00:14:55,562 NBC was disappointed with "Star Trek" from the get-go, 351 00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:58,065 but the rating were not bad 352 00:14:58,098 --> 00:15:01,101 and the fan mail was huge. 353 00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:03,036 "Star Trek" is doing things 354 00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:05,405 that a lot of the affiliates were uncomfortable with, 355 00:15:05,438 --> 00:15:08,241 so they kept moving it from one bad slot to another 356 00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:10,377 until they finally put it in the death slot 357 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:12,579 to get rid of this show. 358 00:15:12,612 --> 00:15:14,614 That is what killed "Star Trek." 359 00:15:14,647 --> 00:15:16,316 narrator: The original series is canceled 360 00:15:16,349 --> 00:15:19,319 after 3 seasons and 79 episodes. 361 00:15:19,352 --> 00:15:20,887 But it's gained a cult following 362 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,223 that's become undeniable. 363 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:26,093 Within four years, "Trek" is back on the air. 364 00:15:26,126 --> 00:15:29,963 This time reaching a new generation of young fans. 365 00:15:29,997 --> 00:15:32,966 ["Star Trek: The Animated Series" theme] 366 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,867 * 367 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:36,269 - My first contact with "Star Trek" 368 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:39,439 was probably watching the animated series 369 00:15:39,472 --> 00:15:43,043 on Saturday morning TV in the early '70s. 370 00:15:43,076 --> 00:15:46,379 And, you know, I was really struck by the, you know, 371 00:15:46,413 --> 00:15:48,648 the bright colors of the uniforms. 372 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:51,084 - The fans were very wary. 373 00:15:51,118 --> 00:15:53,453 In fact, some of the cast was wary too. 374 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:55,588 They felt, "Hey, 'Star Trek' is starting to get momentum. 375 00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:57,224 "We think there could be more life in this. 376 00:15:57,257 --> 00:15:59,159 But if we do a cartoon, it's gonna kill it." 377 00:15:59,192 --> 00:16:01,728 And Gene Roddenberry was very cagey and very smart. 378 00:16:01,761 --> 00:16:03,763 He says, "No, this will fan the flames. 379 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:06,099 This will keep it alive rather than let it disappear." 380 00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:07,600 And he was right. 381 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:10,137 - It sounds funny for saying this, 382 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:13,173 but it has never been canceled. 383 00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:19,446 You know, um, we were just off longer than we wanted to be. 384 00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:28,588 - So then we have the '70s, right, '70s hit. 385 00:16:28,621 --> 00:16:31,091 Everyone went to see that "Star Wars" situation. 386 00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:33,060 [laughter] I think we can make some money. 387 00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:35,295 - So you had a TV script that was being padded out 388 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:36,663 into a motion picture. 389 00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:38,465 They took themselves a little too seriously 390 00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:40,533 and they were trying to be a little more like, "2001." 391 00:16:40,567 --> 00:16:42,369 Then they brought in Robert Wise 392 00:16:42,402 --> 00:16:46,106 because he was known as a big-time movie director. 393 00:16:46,139 --> 00:16:47,774 - There never really been a movie 394 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,576 years after a show was canceled. 395 00:16:49,609 --> 00:16:52,245 ["Star Trek: The Motion Picture" theme] 396 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:53,746 "Star Trek" would be the beginning 397 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:56,583 of that phenomena, which--now, you know, 398 00:16:56,616 --> 00:16:58,118 well, unceasing phenomena. 399 00:16:58,151 --> 00:17:01,321 - When we came back to do the first really big one 400 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:05,625 that we did after being away so long, 401 00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:08,795 it was amazing. 402 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:10,463 narrator: "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" 403 00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:13,733 hits theaters in December of 1979. 404 00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:16,369 But the cast has its doubts. 405 00:17:16,403 --> 00:17:19,272 - So Robert Wise was a very good filmmaker. 406 00:17:19,306 --> 00:17:22,309 He was a multiple Academy Award-winning director, 407 00:17:22,342 --> 00:17:24,411 but he did not know "Star Trek." 408 00:17:24,444 --> 00:17:27,714 - We sat down to watch that first movie 409 00:17:27,747 --> 00:17:29,582 and the beginning was great. 410 00:17:29,616 --> 00:17:32,552 Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat. Bum-bum-bum-bum. 411 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:35,522 And then it suddenly became a talking heads movie. 412 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:37,424 Where was the friction? Where was the conflict? 413 00:17:37,457 --> 00:17:38,991 Where was the passion? 414 00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:40,460 - It had very little to do with "Star Trek." 415 00:17:40,493 --> 00:17:42,095 You had the spaceship, the Enterprise. 416 00:17:42,129 --> 00:17:44,030 You had the crew. 417 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,732 But the story had very little to do 418 00:17:45,765 --> 00:17:47,634 with anything "Star Trek-y." 419 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:50,637 The characters were not in shape, in place, 420 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:52,205 playing off of each other and with each other 421 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:54,141 the way we did best. 422 00:17:54,174 --> 00:17:56,143 - Why are they wearing pajamas? 423 00:17:56,176 --> 00:18:01,181 Why, you know, does it look like they're in a Holiday Inn? 424 00:18:01,214 --> 00:18:03,383 So a lot of what "The Wrath of Khan" 425 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,319 proved to be about aesthetically 426 00:18:06,353 --> 00:18:09,522 and maybe even intellectually as well 427 00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:12,392 was a reaction to what I saw. 428 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:15,328 - And for a movie that was so poorly received, 429 00:18:15,362 --> 00:18:16,929 we had done extremely well. 430 00:18:16,963 --> 00:18:20,099 To my great surprise, they said, "Star Trek II." 431 00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:23,270 narrator: "The Wrath of Khan" becomes an instant classic. 432 00:18:23,303 --> 00:18:26,273 It's villain is a genetically engineered superhuman, 433 00:18:26,306 --> 00:18:28,241 who first appeared in the original series 434 00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:31,278 bent on revenge against Captain Kirk. 435 00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:32,912 - "Wrath of Khan" is a classic. 436 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,583 I mean, "Wrath of Khan" just works on every level. 437 00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:39,686 You know, it just does. It's pop entertainment. 438 00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:44,491 It's a fan's dream. It's fun. It's funny. 439 00:18:44,524 --> 00:18:46,359 The visual effects are state of the art 440 00:18:46,393 --> 00:18:48,228 and really hold up even to this day. 441 00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:49,996 Those space battles are fantastic. 442 00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:53,666 - Montalban was a charismatic actor. 443 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,169 He really gave us this wonderful performance. 444 00:18:56,203 --> 00:18:58,438 It was theatrical, imaginative, creative 445 00:18:58,471 --> 00:19:01,374 performance as Khan in "Star Trek II." 446 00:19:01,408 --> 00:19:04,043 And he looked great. 447 00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:06,746 And that was his chest that people thought 448 00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:09,015 had been built up with makeup or something. 449 00:19:09,048 --> 00:19:10,783 That was him, you know? 450 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:14,120 It was really Ricardo Montalban. 451 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,989 - That's his chest. It's his chest. 452 00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:20,460 Gives you an idea of "Star Trek-ian" scholarship 453 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:25,097 that that's the most, you know, frequently asked question. 454 00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:26,333 narrator: Behind the scenes, 455 00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:28,635 the cast didn't always get along. 456 00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:32,038 - I had immediately had a good rapport with with Nick Myers, 457 00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:34,274 but as we went through several rehearsals 458 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:35,975 working with the camera, 459 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:38,245 Shatner would come over to me 460 00:19:38,278 --> 00:19:40,012 and start trying to redirect me. 461 00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:43,149 Is the word given, Admiral? - The word is given. 462 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:45,585 - So I finally said, "Can I stop for a second?" 463 00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:47,354 Nick said to me, "What's the matter, Ike?" 464 00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:49,155 I said, "Well, I'm getting direction 465 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:50,657 "from other people on the set, 466 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:52,292 "and it's making me very uncomfortable. 467 00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:54,594 "I just want to make sure I'm doing my job correctly, 468 00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:56,263 So I'm listening to you." 469 00:19:56,296 --> 00:19:57,864 And he said, "That's right. 470 00:19:57,897 --> 00:20:00,032 You're listening to me. We good?" 471 00:20:00,066 --> 00:20:02,402 I said, "We're good. Thank you very much." 472 00:20:02,435 --> 00:20:05,204 And I just stood back. 473 00:20:05,238 --> 00:20:08,140 No one else ever said anything to me again after that. 474 00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:12,712 narrator: Khan uses mind control to achieve his ends, 475 00:20:12,745 --> 00:20:15,248 delivered in a gruesome way. 476 00:20:15,282 --> 00:20:20,152 - They're young. Enter through the ears. 477 00:20:20,186 --> 00:20:23,790 And wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. 478 00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:25,224 - Yeah, well, that was fun. 479 00:20:25,258 --> 00:20:27,427 You know, being on the other end of that. 480 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:30,096 What it was, it was a stunt bug. 481 00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,831 No, it wasn't a stunt bug. 482 00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:35,001 It was--it was a little thing that had 483 00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,236 a little rubbery plastic thing, 484 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:41,708 and they had a fine filament thread attached to it. 485 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:43,676 It was very hard to see. 486 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:45,678 When it was going up my face, 487 00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:48,281 there was actually a guy standing above me, 488 00:20:48,315 --> 00:20:50,950 and they had drilled a hole in my helmet, 489 00:20:50,983 --> 00:20:54,621 and he was pulling it up my face on that filament. 490 00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:58,425 And when they got to my ear, 491 00:20:58,458 --> 00:21:01,994 and them I made all those screams, 492 00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:04,797 really unbecoming an officer, 493 00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:07,199 but they--that's what they wanted. 494 00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:10,236 [both screaming] 495 00:21:14,173 --> 00:21:15,975 narrator: But there is one scene that has become 496 00:21:16,008 --> 00:21:18,911 the defining moment in "The Wrath of Khan." 497 00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:22,415 - I read that script and I saw the conflict, 498 00:21:22,449 --> 00:21:24,083 and I saw the passion in it, 499 00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:28,187 and when I saw the scene where Spock tries to save the ship 500 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,722 and dies in the process, I said, 501 00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:32,291 "This is a good, good film." 502 00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:33,726 - I really believed that this was going to be 503 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,328 the final "Star Trek" movie. 504 00:21:35,362 --> 00:21:38,898 So I thought if "Star Trek" is coming to an end, 505 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:41,734 maybe it's fitting that Spock should die 506 00:21:41,768 --> 00:21:43,370 saving the ship and the crew, 507 00:21:43,403 --> 00:21:45,438 and be a hero and go out in a blaze of glory. 508 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:48,608 During the making of the movie, I began to be concerned 509 00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,176 that maybe I'd made a mistake. 510 00:21:50,209 --> 00:21:54,246 And on the day we went to shoot Spock's death scene, 511 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,282 Harve came to me on the set. 512 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:57,617 He came to me on the set and he said, 513 00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:01,087 "What can you give us that might be a thread 514 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,323 for the future for Spock or 'Star Trek'?" 515 00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:05,858 And it took me a moment. I said, 516 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:07,994 "I can do a mind-meld on DeForest Kelley 517 00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:09,562 "who's laying there unconscious, 518 00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:13,199 and I can say something ambiguous like, 'Remember.'" 519 00:22:13,232 --> 00:22:14,967 And that's how that moment came about. 520 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:17,136 Remember. 521 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:19,439 - And then you have "Star Trek's" finest hour 522 00:22:19,472 --> 00:22:21,207 between Kirk and Spock. 523 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,777 That death scene through the radiation chamber-- 524 00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:26,345 cried like a baby. 525 00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:29,348 - I was always very touched by what happened 526 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:31,283 in that--in that sequence. Ahem. 527 00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:34,854 I thought it was beautifully written, the death scene. 528 00:22:34,887 --> 00:22:36,723 And it really worked in the film. 529 00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:39,258 I have people still today who write me and say, 530 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:40,693 "Every time I still see that picture 531 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:42,929 "for the fifth, tenth time, I still cry when Spock-- 532 00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:45,465 at that death scene," you know? 533 00:22:45,498 --> 00:22:47,366 [raspy] I have been... 534 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,169 and always shall be... 535 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,204 your friend. 536 00:22:57,510 --> 00:23:00,713 Live long... 537 00:23:00,747 --> 00:23:02,749 and prosper. 538 00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,693 narrator: Two short years after the success of "Khan," 539 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,062 "Trek" returns to the big screen, 540 00:23:16,095 --> 00:23:19,098 and the franchise is truly reborn. 541 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:22,234 - "Star Trek III" was the first movie that Nimoy directed, 542 00:23:22,268 --> 00:23:25,337 and it was also his way to come back to "Star Trek" 543 00:23:25,371 --> 00:23:26,773 to bring Spock back. 544 00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:30,877 - Nicholas Meyer, a very talented guy, was directing. 545 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,680 I thought, "I-I can do what he does. 546 00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:35,548 I know what he's doing and I can do that." 547 00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:37,116 So I went in the next morning, 548 00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:39,018 and I put it to them very simply. 549 00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:40,987 I said, "Michael, you have two problems. 550 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:43,556 "You want me to play Spock in 'Star Trek III,' 551 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:44,957 "and you need a director. 552 00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:47,560 I solved both of your problems with one stroke." 553 00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:48,761 And that's the way it went, 554 00:23:48,795 --> 00:23:50,930 and he said, "Okay, let's make a deal." 555 00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:53,065 And we immediately made a deal and went to work. 556 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:57,069 - You Klingon bastard. 557 00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,773 - There are two more prisoners, Admiral. 558 00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:02,509 Do you want them killed too? 559 00:24:02,542 --> 00:24:06,946 - It's just such a delicious badass son of a bitch, you know? 560 00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:11,050 He's just--he's just a bad guy with no remorse. 561 00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:13,319 [both grunting] 562 00:24:13,352 --> 00:24:15,688 I killed Kirk's son 563 00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:18,057 and I blew up the original Enterprise. 564 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:20,927 Just freaking wiped it out. 565 00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:26,132 And I could do it again. [chuckles] 566 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:35,107 - I was asked to do "III," I didn't know how to do it. 567 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:38,845 So I said I wasn't interested in doing it. 568 00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:41,648 I was not part of "IV" either. 569 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,616 They had had a script written 570 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:46,586 tailor-made to star Eddie Murphy, 571 00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:49,989 who was Paramount's other big star at the time. 572 00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:51,758 And Paramount didn't like the idea 573 00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:56,195 of putting all their golden eggs in one basket, 574 00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:59,331 Eddie Murphy and the Star Trek people. 575 00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:01,367 So I went to see Harve and Leonard, 576 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,203 and they told me the story about the whales. 577 00:25:04,236 --> 00:25:07,273 And Harve said, "I'll write the outer space parts 578 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:10,543 if you do the on Earth parts, you know, the bookend. 579 00:25:10,577 --> 00:25:13,479 And I said, "Okay." 580 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:16,015 - "Star Trek V" is hurt by it's budget 581 00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:18,484 more than anything else. It's not a badly directed film. 582 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,554 In fact, Bill did a nice job directing for the most pt, 583 00:25:21,588 --> 00:25:26,192 but they just didn't have enough money to recognize the vision, 584 00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:27,694 so it looks very cheap, and as a result, 585 00:25:27,727 --> 00:25:29,095 it feels like a bad movie. 586 00:25:29,128 --> 00:25:30,597 - We watched the movie, we were like, 587 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:31,964 "Yeah, that was great." 588 00:25:31,998 --> 00:25:33,432 And I remember my brother, 589 00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,901 he was the one who had not been drinking. 590 00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:36,569 He was looking at, like, 591 00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:38,404 "I don't think it really was great." 592 00:25:38,437 --> 00:25:40,439 We were like, "No, it was great. Let's watch it again." 593 00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:42,041 And we did, so we watched it again. 594 00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:44,844 That's probably the last time I saw "Star Trek V." 595 00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:49,181 - Then "Star Trek V" came out and didn't perform well. 596 00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:52,985 And then Leonard came, and he had this genesis, 597 00:25:53,019 --> 00:25:55,622 you should pardon the pun, of an idea for "VI," 598 00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:59,291 which was all about the wall coming down in outer space. 599 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:01,393 It was about the Klingons have been their substitute 600 00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,429 for the Russians. I went, "They were?" 601 00:26:03,462 --> 00:26:05,431 And we wrote it. 602 00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:08,500 - His idea was that, you know, time's change. 603 00:26:08,534 --> 00:26:11,337 You know, you can't be, you know, mad at a group 604 00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:14,674 for 100 years and you don't know anything about them. 605 00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:16,375 - Michael Dorn was my idea. 606 00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:19,211 He could play his own grandfather. 607 00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:22,949 I thought that would be funny. 608 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:30,056 - So "Star Trek IV" does gangbusters at the box office. 609 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,191 They're like, "Hang on, this is a hot property." 610 00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:34,393 Gene's like, "Guess what, fellas? 611 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:35,962 I want to do I on TV again." 612 00:26:35,995 --> 00:26:38,297 And then Paramount's like... - "Yes, please." 613 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:39,565 - "I might as well." - Yeah. 614 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:40,800 - "Well, it's sitting here doing nothing." 615 00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:42,001 - "How soon will you start?" - So then we have 616 00:26:42,034 --> 00:26:43,636 "Star Trek: The Next Generation" comes out. 617 00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:49,809 narrator: In 1987, 618 00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:52,712 21 years after the original series hits the air, 619 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:55,347 "Star Trek" returns to television with the premiere 620 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,583 of "The Next Generation." 621 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,252 - Gene Roddenberry called me and he was talking about 622 00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:01,487 a new version of "Star Trek" 623 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,290 bouncing off the movies, of course. 624 00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:08,594 He came up with the basics for the older captain, 625 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,931 for the characters that we see in "Star Trek: Next Gen." 626 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,867 narrator: Diehard fans are skeptical of the reboot. 627 00:27:14,901 --> 00:27:17,804 - We got a bald, English captain with a French name 628 00:27:17,837 --> 00:27:20,873 and you got a Klingon on the bridge? 629 00:27:20,907 --> 00:27:23,876 Really? You got a blind guy driving the ship? 630 00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:25,978 - Gene was there during the first couple of years 631 00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:30,717 and all the spinoffs carried on the tradition of "Star Trek." 632 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:33,853 - When that cast was first assembled and the show 633 00:27:33,886 --> 00:27:35,287 first went into production, "The Next Generation," 634 00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:36,689 I invited them here to this house, 635 00:27:36,723 --> 00:27:38,390 the whole bunch of them, all of them. 636 00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:40,292 "Come to my house. Let's get to know each other. 637 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:43,495 And good luck, and bon voyage. I think--I hope it works." 638 00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:46,565 - When I first auditioned for "Next Gen," 639 00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:48,400 I was one of the few people in the world 640 00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:51,871 who was not quite aware of the phenomenon 641 00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:54,573 that we were about to get involved with. 642 00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:57,609 - When I heard that they were doing a next generation, 643 00:27:57,643 --> 00:28:00,479 I went, "Oh, afraid I gotta do this," you know? 644 00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:02,715 - I got a call from my agent who said, "You know what? 645 00:28:02,749 --> 00:28:04,216 They're casting 'Star Trek.' Oh, my God." 646 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:05,684 And she was a huge "Star Trek" fan. 647 00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:09,355 I had no clue it was going to be a big show. 648 00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:12,759 - So LeVar Burton and I go to eat. 649 00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:14,293 I say, "What are you doing?" 650 00:28:14,326 --> 00:28:19,031 He said, "Oh, you'll love this. I'm doing 'Star Trek.'" 651 00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:21,834 I said, "Well, I want to be on that." 652 00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:23,502 And he was like, "What?" I was like, "No, no. 653 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:25,637 You gotta tell them I want to be on the show." 654 00:28:25,671 --> 00:28:29,141 And I made an appointment to go see Gene. 655 00:28:29,175 --> 00:28:32,745 And Gene says, "You want to be on 'Star Trek'?" 656 00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:36,115 I said, "Yes. Yes." 657 00:28:36,148 --> 00:28:40,386 - And he asked me would I please write the pilot script, 658 00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:43,522 "Encounter At Farpoint." And I said, "Fine," did that. 659 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:46,058 The question had been whether Gene Roddenberry would do, 660 00:28:46,092 --> 00:28:49,028 you know, like a retrospective back to the original "Star Trek" 661 00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:53,732 to lead into this or would he add to my pilot script. 662 00:28:53,766 --> 00:28:55,835 He added all the stuff that had to do with Q. 663 00:28:55,868 --> 00:28:59,071 - Three days into shooting, uh, you know, 664 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:02,008 somebody came up behind me and put his hand on my shoulder 665 00:29:02,041 --> 00:29:06,045 and said, "You have no idea what you've gotten yourself into." 666 00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:08,714 And it was-- it was Roddenberry. 667 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,884 And I didn't have any idea. I mean, you know. 668 00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,619 - Riker's relationship with Picard, 669 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:16,588 which was filled with respect. 670 00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:18,791 With Data, the curiosity that Data had 671 00:29:18,825 --> 00:29:20,626 about being a human being. 672 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:25,597 And I worked with Worf and Geordi, 673 00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:27,066 the three of us were sort of, you know, 674 00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:29,836 we made the--we kept the [bleep] together on the ship. 675 00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:34,340 And it was--it all got more natural. 676 00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:35,908 And as it got more natural, 677 00:29:35,942 --> 00:29:38,377 I think it got more appealing to the audience. 678 00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:39,879 - I decided to write a spec script, 679 00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,514 so I wrote a script called "The Bonding." 680 00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:45,584 Michael Piller came aboard to be the new head writer, 681 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,386 and he found my script. 682 00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:49,388 And I get this call one day 683 00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:51,924 that he wants to buy it and produce it, 684 00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:53,792 which literally changed my life. 685 00:29:53,826 --> 00:29:57,396 - We used to do 26 episodes a year, and it was great. 686 00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:58,831 So we'd work for ten months, 687 00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:01,000 and then the first Monday after the 4th of July, 688 00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:02,301 we'd come back to work. 689 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:06,505 And that lasted for seven years and could have lasted, 690 00:30:06,538 --> 00:30:08,841 in all fairness, for ten years probably. 691 00:30:08,875 --> 00:30:12,644 - The humans of the 24th century on "Next Generation" 692 00:30:12,678 --> 00:30:15,481 didn't have the kinds of problems and squabbles 693 00:30:15,514 --> 00:30:19,618 and petty jealousies that we have today. 694 00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:21,820 - Chief O'Brien talks to me. 695 00:30:21,854 --> 00:30:24,490 Keiko talks to you. 696 00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:26,058 Why do they not talk to each other? 697 00:30:26,092 --> 00:30:29,461 - [chuckles] That's a good question, Data. 698 00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,931 I wish I had a good answer for you. 699 00:30:31,964 --> 00:30:33,933 Perhaps when they're ready, they will. 700 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:38,871 - Hmm. Many aspects of this situation are puzzling to me. 701 00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:43,675 - Roddenberry somehow magically made us--made me 702 00:30:43,709 --> 00:30:48,580 believe in his vision of the 24th century, right? 703 00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,850 He said to me, "In the 24th century, 704 00:30:51,884 --> 00:30:55,821 there will be no hunger, and there will be no greed. 705 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:59,926 And all of the children will know how to read. 706 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,160 Gene Roddenberry. 707 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,030 - He was given the right to do "Star Trek" 708 00:31:04,063 --> 00:31:05,464 the way he wanted to do it. 709 00:31:05,497 --> 00:31:08,234 Unfortunately his health was failing by the time 710 00:31:08,267 --> 00:31:11,070 they even got "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on. 711 00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:13,139 So he didn't really get the chance to do 712 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:15,307 all of the things he wanted to do. 713 00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:18,344 narrator: When Gene Roddenberry dies in 1991, 714 00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:21,680 "The Next Generation" is more popular than ever. 715 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:25,517 Carrying on his legacy, week after week, 716 00:31:25,551 --> 00:31:27,954 for the next three years. 717 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:30,189 - There were those of us, myself included, 718 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,391 who thought it could go on for ten years. 719 00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:34,060 That we weren't done yet. 720 00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:37,796 Knowing that there was another series waiting in the wings 721 00:31:37,829 --> 00:31:40,166 where we could continue to tell stories 722 00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:42,801 that we hadn't told yet made that okay. 723 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:46,272 And it seemed smart to take "Next Gen" off 724 00:31:46,305 --> 00:31:47,940 at the peak of its popularity. 725 00:31:47,974 --> 00:31:49,908 'Cause it was a very popular show. 726 00:31:49,942 --> 00:31:52,378 There is a part of me that wished, 727 00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:55,581 that wishes "Next Gen" had continued. 728 00:32:00,719 --> 00:32:04,490 - I was asked to direct the first "Next Generation" movie. 729 00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:05,958 I just-- I wasn't attracted to it. 730 00:32:05,992 --> 00:32:07,826 I read it, 731 00:32:07,859 --> 00:32:09,495 and it didn't feel like something 732 00:32:09,528 --> 00:32:11,730 that I was gonna have a good time doing. 733 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:14,700 - Ron Moore and I were asked to write 734 00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:17,069 the first "Next Generation" movie. 735 00:32:17,103 --> 00:32:19,305 We were very excited. 736 00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:21,640 It was the first movie either of us had written. 737 00:32:21,673 --> 00:32:24,776 We loved these characters. We knew these characters. 738 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:27,946 And we set about conceiving the first "Next Gen" movie. 739 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:29,715 Kind of hand-off from the original series, 740 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:30,916 Kirk to Picard. 741 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:32,718 - There was sort of a list of things 742 00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:34,520 that the movie had to have, 743 00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:35,721 so when Bran and I stepped in, 744 00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:37,723 here's the list of things it has to be. 745 00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:39,925 "It's gonna be the next first "Next Gen" movie. 746 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,593 "It can have the original cast in it. 747 00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:43,729 "We want a transition film, but the original cast 748 00:32:43,762 --> 00:32:45,197 "can only be in the first ten minutes 749 00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:47,199 "or 15 minutes of the movie tops. 750 00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:48,600 "It has to be a Picard story. 751 00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:50,736 "There has to be a Data humorous runner in it. 752 00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:53,972 "We want to have a big villain, sort of like Khan. 753 00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:56,075 "We also want to have the Klingons in it. 754 00:32:56,108 --> 00:32:58,777 And it should probably have some time travel involved." 755 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:01,580 And you're just going, "Okay. 756 00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:04,250 - By the time "Generations," the first movie, is coming out, 757 00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,918 you have Kirk and Picard on the cover of "Time" magazine. 758 00:33:06,952 --> 00:33:09,821 That's the apex, it's the zenith of the show. 759 00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:11,757 - "Generations" was still in the theaters 760 00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:13,959 when the said, "Hey, let's do another one. 761 00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:14,993 And we want you guys to do the second one." 762 00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:16,395 And we said, "Okay." 763 00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:19,531 - "First Contact" was the film that they should have made 764 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,367 every time after that. 765 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,169 - Then the second movie, "First Contact," 766 00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:25,137 is, you know, a roller coaster ride 767 00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:28,174 and wonderful and really sort of redeems that franchise. 768 00:33:28,207 --> 00:33:31,410 - That movie was a huge success. It made a lot of money. 769 00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:32,811 And everybody liked it. 770 00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,081 And Alfre Woodard was great in it. 771 00:33:35,114 --> 00:33:36,448 And Cromwell was great in it. 772 00:33:36,482 --> 00:33:41,820 - I'm not a drinker, so I got a fifth of Jamesons. 773 00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:46,058 And I took one before when we rehearsed. 774 00:33:46,092 --> 00:33:49,961 And then between every shot, I would go back up to my tr-- 775 00:33:49,995 --> 00:33:51,663 [laughing] 776 00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:56,468 So by the time I did the thing we're at the bar, 777 00:33:56,502 --> 00:34:02,074 when I take the drink... [retching] 778 00:34:02,108 --> 00:34:04,976 Ahh! 779 00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:07,479 - [gagging] - Oh! 780 00:34:07,513 --> 00:34:09,181 - [coughing] 781 00:34:09,215 --> 00:34:11,083 narrator: "Star Trek: First Contact" 782 00:34:11,117 --> 00:34:14,553 debuts in 1996 with Commander Riker himself, 783 00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:17,389 Jonathan Frakes in the director's chair. 784 00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:18,824 - It was great to work with Jonathan, you know? 785 00:34:18,857 --> 00:34:20,859 We'd worked with him before as a director on the show, 786 00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:23,629 so we knew his working methods, he knew us, you know. 787 00:34:23,662 --> 00:34:25,397 There was a great shorthand, obviously, 788 00:34:25,431 --> 00:34:27,366 between him and the entire cast and the crew. 789 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:31,002 - This was our first movie that was just "Next Gen." 790 00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:34,072 So that--that was a life-changer, you know. 791 00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:36,041 - I think "Star Trek's" a TV show. 792 00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:39,311 The movies are fun, but, you know, 793 00:34:39,345 --> 00:34:40,846 it's--it's a TV show. 794 00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:44,216 It needs to tell the stories each week. 795 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:47,286 - "First Contact" is fanta-- it's like-- 796 00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:49,788 it's the best of the "Next Generation" movies. 797 00:34:49,821 --> 00:34:51,557 I'm sorry, everyone, that's how I feel. 798 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,725 - Probably. - I see some grunting happening 799 00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:55,661 over on the corners here. 800 00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:57,996 Bobak, you grunted particularly hard. 801 00:34:58,029 --> 00:34:59,831 - I'm just a big "Insurrection" fan because-- 802 00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:01,200 - What? What? 803 00:35:01,233 --> 00:35:02,768 - It's the most like a "TNG" episode. 804 00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,404 The movies really, like, diverge from my thought 805 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:06,672 what made the show great. 806 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:10,142 And I like that it was a little bit more of that 807 00:35:10,176 --> 00:35:13,078 "TNG"-style episode than I felt the rest of the movies were. 808 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:14,980 - So we go from "Insurrection." 809 00:35:15,013 --> 00:35:17,749 "Voyager's" still running at this point. 810 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:21,287 And then we end up with, I hate to say it, 811 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,121 "Star Trek: Nemesis," so Janeway-- 812 00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:24,623 - They asked me to be in that. Did you know that? 813 00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:26,225 - Really? What were you gonna do in that? 814 00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:27,693 Were you gonna be on the Enterprise? 815 00:35:27,726 --> 00:35:28,860 - Evidently. - Why would you say no? 816 00:35:28,894 --> 00:35:30,196 What is wrong with you? 817 00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:31,663 - 'Cause I had just gotten off of "Voyager." 818 00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:33,465 - Oh, my God, Jeri. - My biggest fear is in signing 819 00:35:33,499 --> 00:35:36,402 on to "Star Trek" to begin with, not having been a fan, 820 00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:37,903 and not really knowing much about it other than that 821 00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:39,605 the actors get pigeonholed. - Yeah. 822 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:40,872 - And it was sort of known for that. 823 00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:43,442 - Yeah. - That was one of my big fears 824 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:46,712 in accepting the role is ever breaking out of that character. 825 00:35:46,745 --> 00:35:48,647 I don't know if that's even... - No, please. 826 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,282 - Known by anybody, but apparently they were 827 00:35:50,316 --> 00:35:51,417 replacing a character. 828 00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:53,452 They were gonna yank and character out 829 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,321 and stick Seven of Nine in there. 830 00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:56,755 It's a popular character, get her in the movie. 831 00:35:56,788 --> 00:35:58,790 And that's what it felt like. And it didn't feel like 832 00:35:58,824 --> 00:35:59,925 it would be anything other than that story-wise. 833 00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:05,631 - Yeah. 834 00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,933 - "Deep Space Nine" is the most meaningful to me. 835 00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:10,669 - Mm-hmm. - Because it gets into 836 00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:11,903 the darker side. 837 00:36:11,937 --> 00:36:13,639 I mean, it's after Gene Roddenberry's death. 838 00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:16,775 They're kinda free to kind of get away from this, you know, 839 00:36:16,808 --> 00:36:18,944 everything ends happily. - Yeah. 840 00:36:18,977 --> 00:36:21,280 - You know, you look at war in a variety of different ways. 841 00:36:21,313 --> 00:36:23,649 I mean, there's a great episode on PTSD, 842 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,585 where Nog has to deal with the loss of his leg. 843 00:36:26,618 --> 00:36:27,919 Nobody does that kind of stuff. - Right. 844 00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,355 - On science fiction in particular. 845 00:36:29,388 --> 00:36:32,691 And so I think that show in terms of its depth, 846 00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:34,926 in terms of the issues it would address, 847 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,695 I thought made it the best. 848 00:36:36,728 --> 00:36:38,797 And, you know, arguably there are some of the best episodes 849 00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:41,333 of all 700-plus hours. 850 00:36:46,071 --> 00:36:47,706 - "The Next Generation" had become such a success 851 00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:49,441 in first-run syndication for the studio 852 00:36:49,475 --> 00:36:52,043 that they wanted more, so you had "Deep Space Nine," 853 00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:55,213 which was about a space station 854 00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:56,682 and it was a little darker. 855 00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,450 - "Next Gen" was my undergraduate studies 856 00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,252 in TV writing and production, 857 00:37:00,286 --> 00:37:01,720 and "Deep Space Nine" was graduate. 858 00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:05,557 - "DS9" had such a different feel 859 00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:06,925 while still being "Star Trek." 860 00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:08,527 It took things even deeper. 861 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,996 - We were attracted to doing darker stories. 862 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:12,831 We were attracted to doing stories 863 00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:14,300 that had much more conflict in them, 864 00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:16,067 that were more morally ambiguous, 865 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:18,870 that were tackling difficult subject matter 866 00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:20,205 with our characters. 867 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:23,074 And we all felt that we were pushing "Trek," 868 00:37:23,108 --> 00:37:24,876 but none of us felt like we were breaking it. 869 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:29,315 - That was the first time that you see 870 00:37:29,348 --> 00:37:36,322 what television is now, which is dark and foreboding. 871 00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:39,190 - And I really wanted to do the show. 872 00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:41,327 Really wanted to do the show. 873 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,028 I-I was like-- 874 00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:46,598 I just--not only as an actor who would get a steady paycheck, 875 00:37:46,632 --> 00:37:49,200 but more importantly, as a fan of the show 876 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:52,638 I wanted to be part of the ethos that was "Star Trek." 877 00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:55,674 - It's really nice to see that people could stick with the show 878 00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:59,378 when it became darker and more demanding of its audience. 879 00:37:59,411 --> 00:38:05,183 - But no victory can make this moment any easier for me. 880 00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:12,257 And I promise I will not rest until I stand with you again. 881 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:14,259 - Somebody had the brilliant idea 882 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:18,564 of bringing Worf onto our show. 883 00:38:18,597 --> 00:38:22,000 - Unfortunately, I will be away from the station at that time. 884 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:23,835 - What they hoped would happen did happen. 885 00:38:23,869 --> 00:38:27,072 Thousands, if not millions, of people 886 00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:30,108 watched because Worf was on the show. 887 00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:33,612 And so our fan base got resurrected 888 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,046 because of Michael Dorn. 889 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,616 - And I had my concerns about that 890 00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:40,118 'cause I didn't want Worf to be standing around, 891 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:42,454 just to be a, you know, some guy that just-- 892 00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:43,722 they throw in there. 893 00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:45,991 I really want him to open up as a character. 894 00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:49,628 - Worf was, like, really the only choice from that cast 895 00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:51,530 that made any sense and that would actually add 896 00:38:51,563 --> 00:38:52,898 something to the puzzle. 897 00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:55,701 Here's the war-like character coming into a situation 898 00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,268 that's a war-torn environment. 899 00:38:57,302 --> 00:38:59,738 So that made a certain amount of sense. 900 00:38:59,771 --> 00:39:03,074 - What is that smell? 901 00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:08,246 Is there a pile of rotting forshak in here. 902 00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:10,649 I loved my time on "Next Generation," 903 00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:14,085 but the work I did on "Deep Space" was much better. 904 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,855 - Over my tenure on "Deep Space," 905 00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,189 that was the mantra was, 906 00:39:18,223 --> 00:39:20,459 "How far can we push this franchise? 907 00:39:20,492 --> 00:39:22,060 "Or what are the places we can go 908 00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:23,495 "that none of the other shows can go? 909 00:39:23,529 --> 00:39:25,163 "What can't they do in 'Star Trek,' 910 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:26,732 and is there a way we can do it?" 911 00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,167 - Every "Star Trek" show broke grounds in some way, you know? 912 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,538 "Deep Space Nine," Sisko, he was a black captain. 913 00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:35,240 And then you have Janeway in "Voyager," a woman. 914 00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:37,809 I mean, they were always thinking ahead. 915 00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:45,417 narrator: When "Voyager" launches in 1995, 916 00:39:45,451 --> 00:39:47,385 "Star Trek" has been pushing the envelope 917 00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:49,287 for nearly 30 years. 918 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,157 The new series pushes further. 919 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:54,526 - A lot of women of a certain age 920 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,496 who that show meant a lot to because of Kate. 921 00:39:57,529 --> 00:39:59,097 You know, they look at it, you know, 922 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:00,899 the same way that guys of my generation 923 00:40:00,932 --> 00:40:02,601 look at Kirk as a role model, 924 00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:04,836 they look at Kate's Janeway and say, 925 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:07,439 "You know, she proved that, you know, 926 00:40:07,473 --> 00:40:10,876 "I could be thoughtful and smart and commanding, 927 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:13,512 and not necessarily use my sexuality to get what I want." 928 00:40:13,545 --> 00:40:16,948 - Then you leave me no choice. 929 00:40:16,982 --> 00:40:19,718 You are hereby relieved of duty until further notice. 930 00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,753 - As a writer, writing Captain Janeway, 931 00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:23,589 I didn't think of her as a woman. 932 00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:25,056 I thought of her as the captain. 933 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,293 And I think it's great that she ended up being a role model 934 00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:30,829 to a lot of people, men or women. 935 00:40:30,862 --> 00:40:33,098 - I was very happy and proud 936 00:40:33,131 --> 00:40:37,035 of what the producers had done with this cast in "Voyager." 937 00:40:37,068 --> 00:40:39,337 First of all, starting off with a female captain 938 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:40,806 'cause we had not seen that before. 939 00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:43,909 - My friend, Rene, got cast in "Deep Space." 940 00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:47,312 And he told me how cool it was, and I envied him. 941 00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,180 I said, "What a great show to be on," you know. 942 00:40:49,214 --> 00:40:50,882 And then a couple of years later, 943 00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:52,584 boom, I was in "Voyager." 944 00:40:52,618 --> 00:40:54,486 And I-I had no idea 945 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,588 what the character was makeup-wise, you know? 946 00:40:56,622 --> 00:40:59,457 But I flew out and I-I went into the room, 947 00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:01,660 and there was UPN, and there was Paramount, 948 00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:05,096 and there were the creators of "Star Trek." 949 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,365 And, um, I read 950 00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:09,535 and I guess I was exactly what what they were looking for. 951 00:41:09,568 --> 00:41:12,403 - "Star Trek: Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 952 00:41:12,437 --> 00:41:14,439 And I was so excited, and I was so nervous. 953 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:18,476 It was a two-part special and I was playing a scientist. 954 00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:19,911 - What do you do here? 955 00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:22,814 - We watch the skies. - For what? 956 00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:25,450 - Signs of extraterrestrial life. 957 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,185 Nice meeting you. 958 00:41:27,218 --> 00:41:29,688 I remembered going to my acting coach, 959 00:41:29,721 --> 00:41:32,257 and he read through the script. 960 00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:34,660 I was looking to him for guidance. 961 00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:37,362 And he just went, uh, 962 00:41:37,395 --> 00:41:40,031 "You know, sometimes when you're running from lasers, 963 00:41:40,065 --> 00:41:44,302 you just--you just gotta pretend you're running from lasers." 964 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,873 - Get down! [laser fire] 965 00:41:47,906 --> 00:41:49,675 - I was like, "Oh.' Ahem. 966 00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:51,142 It gave me so much freedom. 967 00:41:51,176 --> 00:41:53,779 I was like, "Oh, yeah, I just--I pretend," you know? 968 00:41:53,812 --> 00:41:58,149 You don't really draw from your childhood or something. 969 00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,586 You just pretend you're running from lasers. 970 00:42:00,619 --> 00:42:02,688 [laser fire] 971 00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:04,489 What the hell? 972 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,625 - What I wanted to do was bring the Borg in. 973 00:42:06,658 --> 00:42:08,526 It was my feeling that the Borg 974 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,129 could always be "Voyager's" Klingons. 975 00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:12,397 They needed a recurring villain. 976 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,265 And for better or worse, 977 00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:15,934 that's what we ended up doing. 978 00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:18,203 And it's one of the things that defined "Voyager" 979 00:42:18,236 --> 00:42:20,906 was the introduction of the Seven of Nine character. 980 00:42:20,939 --> 00:42:25,644 You had a very sexy woman in a very sexy outfit. 981 00:42:25,677 --> 00:42:26,912 You know, it was supposed to lure in 982 00:42:26,945 --> 00:42:28,313 a certain male demographic. 983 00:42:28,346 --> 00:42:31,316 But, in reality, she was the Spock character. 984 00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:33,351 She was the Data character. 985 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:34,552 - Report. 986 00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,988 - I've applied 10,053 algorithms 987 00:42:37,022 --> 00:42:40,191 to the energy signatures produced by chaotic space. 988 00:42:40,225 --> 00:42:43,461 - The Roddenberry influence was always respected. 989 00:42:43,494 --> 00:42:45,731 We didn't want to do something 990 00:42:45,764 --> 00:42:49,668 totally, outrageously anti-Roddenberry. 991 00:42:49,701 --> 00:42:51,803 - It's almost like you have to keep pinching yourself. 992 00:42:51,837 --> 00:42:54,606 You show up on these sets and you have to remind yourself, 993 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,342 "I'm in the middle of something that when we do it right, 994 00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,444 is really important, can really affect people." 995 00:42:59,477 --> 00:43:01,680 Now it's hard to do that on every single episode. 996 00:43:01,713 --> 00:43:03,915 I don't know who has ever succeeded in that, 997 00:43:03,949 --> 00:43:06,685 but I think that we all could feel as a cast 998 00:43:06,718 --> 00:43:09,855 when we were telling a good story and doing it well. 999 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,895 - There was a lot of discussion what "Enterprise" 1000 00:43:16,928 --> 00:43:19,464 would look like and feel like. 1001 00:43:19,497 --> 00:43:20,899 narrator: "Star Trek: Enterprise" 1002 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:23,201 is a prequel to the entire franchise. 1003 00:43:23,234 --> 00:43:24,936 Set in the 22nd century, 1004 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:28,406 as Starfleet's first explorers venture into space. 1005 00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,441 - You know, we were trying to, I think, 1006 00:43:30,475 --> 00:43:32,343 deconstruct "Star Trek" and figure out, you know, 1007 00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:33,645 how it all came together. 1008 00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,413 You know, we'd certainly seen the future 1009 00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,883 of where it was all going. 1010 00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:40,886 And it was a real challenge to kind of back that up 1011 00:43:40,919 --> 00:43:43,989 and imagine, you know, what was this-- 1012 00:43:44,022 --> 00:43:47,158 what was this like 150 years before Captain Kirk. 1013 00:43:47,192 --> 00:43:49,360 - I called my mother and said, 1014 00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:51,629 "Ma, I'm not gonna have to stress about work. 1015 00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:52,798 I got a job." 1016 00:43:52,831 --> 00:43:56,267 - I had to audition with a slight alien accent 1017 00:43:56,301 --> 00:43:59,204 for the character of Dr. Phlox, which puzzled me. 1018 00:43:59,237 --> 00:44:00,972 I didn't really know what to do, so I-- 1019 00:44:01,006 --> 00:44:02,841 I sort of tried out a variety of funny voices 1020 00:44:02,874 --> 00:44:04,609 with my wife before I settled on the voice 1021 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,444 I eventually arrived at. 1022 00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:08,113 Sounds sort of vaguely East Indian. 1023 00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:12,017 I don't believe you'll be needing my services. 1024 00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:13,685 - You know, I thought that we were gonna make it 1025 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,286 and that we were gonna do seven years 1026 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,855 like all the rest of these shows. 1027 00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:19,991 - I was just trying to tell good stories 1028 00:44:20,025 --> 00:44:24,129 and do Gene's vision proud. 1029 00:44:24,162 --> 00:44:27,065 Tell the best "Star Trek" stories that I could, you know? 1030 00:44:27,098 --> 00:44:29,434 And now that I'm no longer involved with the show, 1031 00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:35,774 I'm the fan eagerly awaiting the next television show. 1032 00:44:37,843 --> 00:44:40,645 - So in the '60s, I mean, it a period of racial discord. 1033 00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:43,448 We got the Vietnam War, youth rebellions, 1034 00:44:43,481 --> 00:44:45,884 emerging feminism, and, you know, TV-- 1035 00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:48,419 - Dirty hippies. - Dirty hi--exactly. 1036 00:44:48,453 --> 00:44:50,321 There's no series or television show 1037 00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:51,622 really addressing these things. 1038 00:44:51,656 --> 00:44:53,725 You know, Roddenberry's able to do is kind of explore 1039 00:44:53,759 --> 00:44:57,462 these things, but again, in a way which is-- 1040 00:44:57,495 --> 00:44:59,330 not only avoids the censors, 1041 00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:00,966 which he had a lot of problems with, 1042 00:45:00,999 --> 00:45:03,668 but also allows the audience 1043 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:06,237 to kind of look at it from a different perspective. 1044 00:45:06,271 --> 00:45:08,673 And if they were looking at race in America 1045 00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:10,976 on a documentary, that's just not gonna have 1046 00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:12,477 the kind of impact, whereas in 1047 00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:13,912 "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," 1048 00:45:13,945 --> 00:45:15,680 we have the black and white faces. 1049 00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:17,515 You know, and you can imagine what the American public 1050 00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:19,484 was looking at this going, "You know, 1051 00:45:19,517 --> 00:45:20,952 yeah, this is right. This is kinda strange." 1052 00:45:20,986 --> 00:45:23,454 And again, this is an episode that was done right after Mart-- 1053 00:45:23,488 --> 00:45:24,455 it was produced right after 1054 00:45:24,489 --> 00:45:25,757 Martin Luther King's assassination. 1055 00:45:25,791 --> 00:45:27,725 - That's the beauty of sci-fi. You can sort of 1056 00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:30,561 have these allegories without 1057 00:45:30,595 --> 00:45:32,430 people knowing they're being taught a lesson. 1058 00:45:32,463 --> 00:45:33,731 - Yeah. - Big two on the nose. 1059 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:34,866 - Yeah, they just think they're watching 1060 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,635 a fun space adventure with a Canadian. 1061 00:45:37,668 --> 00:45:40,071 [laughter] 1062 00:45:41,306 --> 00:45:44,776 - "Star Trek" very much at a time when, you know, 1063 00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:47,612 race, in particular, in the '60s was such a big thing. 1064 00:45:47,645 --> 00:45:49,547 It broke down those barriers in terms of talking-- 1065 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:53,451 talking about color, multi-culturalism, other people. 1066 00:45:53,484 --> 00:45:57,989 And instead of making walls, and instead of trying to 1067 00:45:58,023 --> 00:45:59,657 villainize others, 1068 00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:01,492 it was all about embracing the other. 1069 00:46:01,526 --> 00:46:05,864 - Because, you know, when you look at the "Star Trek" world, 1070 00:46:05,897 --> 00:46:09,567 you know, Gene really wanted to create a world 1071 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,637 where everybody could be, you know? 1072 00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:15,073 And if we were having some kind of trouble, 1073 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:16,374 we could talk it out. 1074 00:46:16,407 --> 00:46:19,845 - We had one of the most wonderful icons 1075 00:46:19,878 --> 00:46:23,114 in Nichelle Nichols, who was not only African American, 1076 00:46:23,148 --> 00:46:25,250 she was a woman. 1077 00:46:25,283 --> 00:46:27,853 And, you know, she was there on the bridge all the time. 1078 00:46:27,886 --> 00:46:29,320 She was important. 1079 00:46:29,354 --> 00:46:31,022 Sometimes she would just say, "Channels open, sir," 1080 00:46:31,056 --> 00:46:33,524 but the thing was that she was there. 1081 00:46:33,558 --> 00:46:37,728 - She speaks perfect English. 1082 00:46:37,762 --> 00:46:41,199 She's the communications officer 1083 00:46:41,232 --> 00:46:43,501 and she takes that very seriously. 1084 00:46:43,534 --> 00:46:46,938 - She is not only gorgeous, 1085 00:46:46,972 --> 00:46:49,975 but she is the communications officer. 1086 00:46:50,008 --> 00:46:51,742 She's the one you have to talk to 1087 00:46:51,776 --> 00:46:54,112 if you want to talk to anybody out in space. 1088 00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:56,381 And she's fly, okay? 1089 00:46:56,414 --> 00:46:59,885 And they all want to bone her, and you know it. 1090 00:46:59,918 --> 00:47:02,253 - And there were some stations in the South that said, 1091 00:47:02,287 --> 00:47:03,788 "Oh, you're having," what was then, 1092 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,557 "a black woman on the bridge. 1093 00:47:06,591 --> 00:47:07,959 We're not gonna show your show." 1094 00:47:07,993 --> 00:47:10,328 And Roddenberry said, "[bleep] you," you know. 1095 00:47:10,361 --> 00:47:11,462 [chuckles] 1096 00:47:11,496 --> 00:47:13,764 And, you know, "Too bad. You lose." 1097 00:47:13,798 --> 00:47:16,601 - A woman of color in the late '60s 1098 00:47:16,634 --> 00:47:19,204 while the civil rights riots were going on. 1099 00:47:19,237 --> 00:47:22,273 Her presence there was a big deal. 1100 00:47:22,307 --> 00:47:25,076 - I had just been offered 1101 00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:28,246 a major role in a Broadway musical. 1102 00:47:28,279 --> 00:47:32,583 And I met Dr. Martin Luther King. 1103 00:47:32,617 --> 00:47:36,955 And I was so excited to tell him. 1104 00:47:36,988 --> 00:47:39,024 And he said, "You can't do that." 1105 00:47:39,057 --> 00:47:41,993 He said, "Don't you understand what you're doing? 1106 00:47:42,027 --> 00:47:45,496 "This is television and there's nobody like you on TV. 1107 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:49,800 You can't-- you can't abdicate." 1108 00:47:49,834 --> 00:47:51,069 And I couldn't. 1109 00:47:51,102 --> 00:47:52,837 - The main thing that has struck me 1110 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:58,509 about Gene's series at the time was how he mirrored 1111 00:47:58,543 --> 00:48:00,678 the things that were going on in our society 1112 00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,614 by using the aliens and the humans 1113 00:48:03,648 --> 00:48:05,216 to carry out those storylines. 1114 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:06,918 He was very clever in doing that. 1115 00:48:06,952 --> 00:48:08,119 - I liked the idea. 1116 00:48:08,153 --> 00:48:11,256 I'm not sure it was always executed 1117 00:48:11,289 --> 00:48:12,958 as well as it might have. 1118 00:48:12,991 --> 00:48:14,392 I think we used the bludgeon 1119 00:48:14,425 --> 00:48:17,162 when we did the story of the half black and half white. 1120 00:48:17,195 --> 00:48:19,530 You know, but we did it you know? 1121 00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:22,300 And good for us for taking on the issue. 1122 00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:24,402 - I am black on the right side. 1123 00:48:24,435 --> 00:48:27,405 [dramatic music] 1124 00:48:27,438 --> 00:48:28,839 * 1125 00:48:28,873 --> 00:48:31,977 - I fail to see the significant difference. 1126 00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:33,611 - Lokai is white on the right-- 1127 00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:36,881 all of his people are white on the right side. 1128 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,985 - Frank Gorshin was a wonderful performer, 1129 00:48:40,018 --> 00:48:42,954 and he and Lou Antonio were the two actors 1130 00:48:42,988 --> 00:48:45,156 who played these opposing roles. 1131 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:47,692 People who were actually mirror images of each other 1132 00:48:47,725 --> 00:48:50,795 should hate each other they way they did. 1133 00:48:50,828 --> 00:48:53,298 And there was that great moment where Kirk says, 1134 00:48:53,331 --> 00:48:55,500 "Why do you people hate each other so much? 1135 00:48:55,533 --> 00:48:57,835 You're--you're the same." 1136 00:48:57,868 --> 00:48:59,270 "Don't you get it? 1137 00:48:59,304 --> 00:49:01,973 He's black on the right side, I'm black on the left." 1138 00:49:02,007 --> 00:49:05,376 You know, "Oh." [laughing] 1139 00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:07,178 - Science fiction is at its best 1140 00:49:07,212 --> 00:49:08,879 when it challenges you. 1141 00:49:08,913 --> 00:49:12,083 It presents a message while disguising itself 1142 00:49:12,117 --> 00:49:13,551 as entertainment. 1143 00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,820 - In an episode called "Symbiosis," 1144 00:49:15,853 --> 00:49:18,956 there's a planet where they're all addicted. 1145 00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:21,892 And there's another species 1146 00:49:21,926 --> 00:49:23,961 that always supplies them with their drug. 1147 00:49:23,995 --> 00:49:25,963 And we know that-- that this is 1148 00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:28,899 this horrible enabling situation. 1149 00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:32,403 And we could easily cure the addicts. 1150 00:49:32,437 --> 00:49:36,774 - Please, help us. - I'm not sure that I can. 1151 00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:40,578 - But do we get involved 1152 00:49:40,611 --> 00:49:42,080 or do we let them figure it out? 1153 00:49:42,113 --> 00:49:45,183 - The moment that I felt was so haunting to me 1154 00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:47,885 was the one where B'Elanna is pregnant 1155 00:49:47,918 --> 00:49:50,988 and can see that her child will have Klingon DNA 1156 00:49:51,022 --> 00:49:54,259 and be born with the forehead and she has developed a way 1157 00:49:54,292 --> 00:49:56,194 to possibly alter that so her daughter 1158 00:49:56,227 --> 00:49:58,663 doesn't have to go through what she went through. 1159 00:49:58,696 --> 00:50:01,666 And I wept when I read the episode. 1160 00:50:01,699 --> 00:50:03,334 But then to be responsible for a child 1161 00:50:03,368 --> 00:50:06,937 and to have the technology to change the future of this child. 1162 00:50:06,971 --> 00:50:09,407 And it was, um-- 1163 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,276 it was a difficult and wonderful episode. 1164 00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:12,943 - When you look at Data, you know, 1165 00:50:12,977 --> 00:50:16,047 at one point he is on trial, you know. 1166 00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:20,751 And it's, like, is he on trial because he's different? 1167 00:50:20,785 --> 00:50:24,789 Is he on trial because he should be not be thinking 1168 00:50:24,822 --> 00:50:26,924 the way that he's thinking because he's, after all, 1169 00:50:26,957 --> 00:50:28,993 a machine and should not be moving-- 1170 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,863 I mean, they're all the questions that we deal with. 1171 00:50:32,897 --> 00:50:36,167 And whether it's race because it's skin color, 1172 00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:39,003 or race because you're an android, 1173 00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:42,140 or, you know, race because you're only this big and fuzzy. 1174 00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:43,608 You're a Tribble, you know? 1175 00:50:43,641 --> 00:50:46,811 It's all of these stories go into saying, 1176 00:50:46,844 --> 00:50:50,248 "Hey, we actually all have to try to do this together." 1177 00:50:52,183 --> 00:50:54,051 - The cultural makeup of the bridge, 1178 00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,853 that was science fiction... - Absolutely. 1179 00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:57,588 - In the mid '60s. 1180 00:50:57,622 --> 00:50:59,857 People who watch it today have no idea 1181 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:02,460 how startling that was. 1182 00:51:02,493 --> 00:51:04,829 You had this multi-cultural crew, 1183 00:51:04,862 --> 00:51:06,030 not just multi-cultural, 1184 00:51:06,063 --> 00:51:09,200 but it was male and female as well. 1185 00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:12,137 I mean, I know that when Roddenberry did the first pilot 1186 00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:13,938 and Majel Barrett was Number One, 1187 00:51:13,971 --> 00:51:15,873 the studio was like... - Yeah. 1188 00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:22,012 - Who's gonna believe a woman in charge of a starship? 1189 00:51:22,046 --> 00:51:23,814 - The thing that's really amazing about "Star Trek" 1190 00:51:23,848 --> 00:51:25,383 is that it definitely has inspired people 1191 00:51:25,416 --> 00:51:27,785 to sort of, you know, proceed down that path, right? 1192 00:51:27,818 --> 00:51:29,420 - Yeah. - A lot of technologists, 1193 00:51:29,454 --> 00:51:31,989 of course talk about the StarTAC Motorola phone, right? 1194 00:51:32,022 --> 00:51:33,658 The flip phone coming from the communicator. 1195 00:51:33,691 --> 00:51:36,661 But it gives people a vision to sort of think about, 1196 00:51:36,694 --> 00:51:38,196 "Well, why isn't that possible? 1197 00:51:38,229 --> 00:51:39,597 - Well, the PADD is an obvious thing, 1198 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:41,732 which the iPad, I think, was designed after specifically. 1199 00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:43,301 - Didn't they say... - Yes. 1200 00:51:43,334 --> 00:51:44,469 - He took the design from iPad-- - Yes. 1201 00:51:44,502 --> 00:51:47,172 - Well, they wanted to call it a PADD, 1202 00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:48,706 Personal Access Display Device, 1203 00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:49,874 which is what we called it on the show, 1204 00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:51,642 but Paramount wouldn't allow it. 1205 00:51:51,676 --> 00:51:53,411 - And what's really neat, I mean, 1206 00:51:53,444 --> 00:51:55,079 the computer interaction is things like we get 1207 00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:57,515 with Siri and Alexa. - Well, yes, exactly. 1208 00:51:57,548 --> 00:51:59,317 I mean, you literally talk to a computer, 1209 00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:01,186 and it, you know, responds to your queries. 1210 00:52:01,219 --> 00:52:02,953 - Wow, you don't even think about that. 1211 00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:03,954 - Yeah. - I mean, I think this is 1212 00:52:03,988 --> 00:52:06,791 a really--kind of a neat dynamic 1213 00:52:06,824 --> 00:52:09,427 of science sort of influencing science fiction 1214 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:13,063 and in return, getting some sort of inspiration back. 1215 00:52:13,097 --> 00:52:14,932 - The only thing they got really, really wrong for me 1216 00:52:14,965 --> 00:52:16,534 is the fact that they plugged Data in. 1217 00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:18,002 I feel like he'd have Bluetooth. 1218 00:52:18,035 --> 00:52:20,471 [laughter] 1219 00:52:20,505 --> 00:52:21,906 - They got to put him in his charger every night. 1220 00:52:21,939 --> 00:52:22,907 [laughter] 1221 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:24,309 - When I see someone in a restaurant 1222 00:52:24,342 --> 00:52:26,944 and they have the Bluetooth in their ear 1223 00:52:26,977 --> 00:52:28,913 while dining with someone else, 1224 00:52:28,946 --> 00:52:31,982 I usually shout out, "Let it go, Uhura." 1225 00:52:32,016 --> 00:52:33,951 [laughter] 1226 00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:34,952 And you know what? 1227 00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:36,187 They know what I'm talking about. 1228 00:52:36,221 --> 00:52:38,055 - Oh, there you go. - And they feel horrible. 1229 00:52:42,827 --> 00:52:45,663 - Gene was clearly a visionary. 1230 00:52:45,696 --> 00:52:47,298 He went and studied, though, 1231 00:52:47,332 --> 00:52:49,500 the technologies that would be involved 1232 00:52:49,534 --> 00:52:52,270 in order to make his show credible. 1233 00:52:52,303 --> 00:52:54,805 - Believability was a huge thing for my father. 1234 00:52:54,839 --> 00:52:58,443 If you go back and read some of the original writers' guides 1235 00:52:58,476 --> 00:53:00,245 and bibles for the original series, 1236 00:53:00,278 --> 00:53:03,948 He says in there, you know, "Believability is essential." 1237 00:53:03,981 --> 00:53:05,716 - He brought Harvey Lynn, his cousin 1238 00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:08,319 who worked with the RAND company, to advise. 1239 00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:10,688 And that's where a lot of the technology came from. 1240 00:53:10,721 --> 00:53:13,090 - I think because I loved the space program, 1241 00:53:13,123 --> 00:53:15,893 "Star Trek" to me at that point felt real. 1242 00:53:15,926 --> 00:53:17,728 It felt like they all took it kinda seriously. 1243 00:53:17,762 --> 00:53:19,430 There was a real ship like that. 1244 00:53:19,464 --> 00:53:21,732 I do remember when I was a kid I thought that was a real ship. 1245 00:53:21,766 --> 00:53:23,368 I thought, you know, "There's a big ship 1246 00:53:23,401 --> 00:53:25,370 that flies around in space. I see it every week." 1247 00:53:25,403 --> 00:53:27,972 - The technology absolutely captured my imagination. 1248 00:53:28,005 --> 00:53:31,909 I mean, especially the idea of being able to 1249 00:53:31,942 --> 00:53:34,011 live in this giant spaceship. 1250 00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:36,781 - He wanted to do adult stories, adult science fiction, 1251 00:53:36,814 --> 00:53:40,050 so he knew that in order to make that kind of a show work, 1252 00:53:40,084 --> 00:53:43,153 he had a very credible design for his starship. 1253 00:53:43,187 --> 00:53:45,155 - But there's a reason the Enterprise hangs 1254 00:53:45,189 --> 00:53:47,958 in the Smithsonian Institute. 1255 00:53:47,992 --> 00:53:50,395 It is such-- not just an iconic ship, 1256 00:53:50,428 --> 00:53:51,929 but such a beautiful ship. 1257 00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:54,198 It's a magnificent aesthetic achievement. 1258 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:57,201 - Roddenberry said, "We want our audience to believe 1259 00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:59,604 "that for the hour they're watching 'Star Trek,' 1260 00:53:59,637 --> 00:54:03,107 "they're really on a spaceship out exploring the galaxy. 1261 00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:04,875 "So we have to design the bridge. 1262 00:54:04,909 --> 00:54:07,077 "We have to think about navigation. 1263 00:54:07,111 --> 00:54:09,179 We have to think about what powers the ship." 1264 00:54:09,213 --> 00:54:10,515 And then he thought, "You know, 1265 00:54:10,548 --> 00:54:13,183 "why don't we set up a system 1266 00:54:13,217 --> 00:54:14,719 "in the sick bay called the biobed? 1267 00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:16,987 "A crewman comes in, lays down on the biobed, 1268 00:54:17,021 --> 00:54:18,789 "and on a computer screen above the bed, 1269 00:54:18,823 --> 00:54:21,759 it instantly displays all of their vital signs." 1270 00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:23,328 narrator: The creators of "Star Trek" 1271 00:54:23,361 --> 00:54:25,630 designed and engineered gadgets for the crew 1272 00:54:25,663 --> 00:54:27,498 that are decades ahead of their time. 1273 00:54:27,532 --> 00:54:30,835 And inspire the devices that are second nature to us today. 1274 00:54:30,868 --> 00:54:34,104 - But also the smaller things like the tricorder 1275 00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:36,874 or the communicator, which, I mean, 1276 00:54:36,907 --> 00:54:39,176 you know I have one in my pocket right now 1277 00:54:39,209 --> 00:54:40,945 that's not dissimilar. 1278 00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:43,013 - Leonard Nimoy, years ago, 1279 00:54:43,047 --> 00:54:47,385 he told me the flip phone was purposely designed 1280 00:54:47,418 --> 00:54:49,186 to look like a communicator. 1281 00:54:49,219 --> 00:54:51,155 That the inventor of the flip phone 1282 00:54:51,188 --> 00:54:54,359 wanted it to be a pastiche of "Star Trek." 1283 00:54:54,392 --> 00:54:57,395 - A guy named Martin Cooper in the 1970s 1284 00:54:57,428 --> 00:55:01,265 was tasked by Motorola and Bell Labs 1285 00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:04,435 to create a, you know, one of the first cell phones. 1286 00:55:04,469 --> 00:55:06,837 A portable telephone that, you know, 1287 00:55:06,871 --> 00:55:08,639 you could carry and walk around with, 1288 00:55:08,673 --> 00:55:10,775 and it would ultimately be small enough 1289 00:55:10,808 --> 00:55:12,209 to fit in a pocket. 1290 00:55:12,242 --> 00:55:16,514 And Cooper explicitly said, "When I was designing 1291 00:55:16,547 --> 00:55:20,017 "that first handheld phone, I thought, 1292 00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:21,452 "'You know, this thing is kinda big. 1293 00:55:21,486 --> 00:55:24,489 "'It's a little bulky, but if I fold it in half, 1294 00:55:24,522 --> 00:55:27,191 "'that'll save-- that'll save space. 1295 00:55:27,224 --> 00:55:28,959 "'It'll make it smaller and easier to carry. 1296 00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:30,661 "'Plus, it'll be really cool to flip open 1297 00:55:30,695 --> 00:55:32,597 "'Like the communicators on "Star Trek."'" 1298 00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:35,933 - You have these PADDs that are now iPads and everything. 1299 00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:39,870 Well, we didn't have iPads then, so it was--it was like 1300 00:55:39,904 --> 00:55:42,039 we were doing it, we'd be making things up. 1301 00:55:42,072 --> 00:55:43,641 But if you set it down too hard, you gotta do-- 1302 00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:44,809 it would make a clunk. 1303 00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:45,810 You'd have to take the whole shot over. 1304 00:55:45,843 --> 00:55:48,546 - The PADDs that they used, 1305 00:55:48,579 --> 00:55:50,948 which had nothing on them, 1306 00:55:50,981 --> 00:55:55,352 we'd use them in the stories to somehow advance the plot, 1307 00:55:55,386 --> 00:55:57,888 or they're looking at a report. 1308 00:55:57,922 --> 00:56:01,459 Never in a million years did any of us think 1309 00:56:01,492 --> 00:56:03,694 this would be a thing. 1310 00:56:03,728 --> 00:56:05,663 It was total science fiction to us. 1311 00:56:05,696 --> 00:56:08,065 - It was 20 years after 1312 00:56:08,098 --> 00:56:10,167 "Star Trek: The Next Generation" premiered 1313 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,803 that Apple introduced the iPad. 1314 00:56:12,837 --> 00:56:18,075 And that's, you know, that's a dead ringer, really, 1315 00:56:18,108 --> 00:56:20,377 for the PADDs that we had on "Star Trek: The Next Generation" 1316 00:56:20,411 --> 00:56:21,479 20 years earlier. 1317 00:56:21,512 --> 00:56:24,615 - Universal translation technology, 1318 00:56:24,649 --> 00:56:26,417 artificial intelligence, all kinds of things, 1319 00:56:26,451 --> 00:56:30,154 and it instilled in some fans a passion for sce, 1320 00:56:30,187 --> 00:56:32,690 and who knows what they went on to discover or will discover. 1321 00:56:32,723 --> 00:56:34,892 - People forget this. They look at it now, they say, 1322 00:56:34,925 --> 00:56:36,827 "Oh, 'Star Trek's' so dated. It's so primitive." 1323 00:56:36,861 --> 00:56:37,995 They have no idea. 1324 00:56:38,028 --> 00:56:40,097 Supermarkets didn't have sliding doors yet. 1325 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:42,132 That's how prescient "Star Trek" was. 1326 00:56:42,166 --> 00:56:44,669 - It was Roddenberry's idea for the holodeck, 1327 00:56:44,702 --> 00:56:47,304 which I always thought was revolutionary, you know? 1328 00:56:47,337 --> 00:56:49,039 Virtual reality was being explored 1329 00:56:49,073 --> 00:56:51,476 in science fiction novels, 1330 00:56:51,509 --> 00:56:54,278 but he was really the first to kind of put 1331 00:56:54,311 --> 00:56:57,715 true, thorough virtual reality, 1332 00:56:57,748 --> 00:56:59,283 certainly onto a television show. 1333 00:56:59,316 --> 00:57:01,752 - The holodeck, which was a wonderful invention 1334 00:57:01,786 --> 00:57:05,690 taken to imaginative creative extremes in "Next Generation," 1335 00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:07,725 has its origins in the "Star Trek" animated series 1336 00:57:07,758 --> 00:57:08,893 that most people don't know. 1337 00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:10,761 The holodeck was in an episode 1338 00:57:10,795 --> 00:57:12,597 of the "Star Trek" cartoon, "Practical Joker." 1339 00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:13,998 That was the first time we saw that. 1340 00:57:14,031 --> 00:57:16,166 - If you look at "Star Trek," the original "Star Trek," 1341 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,537 you will see Spock holding little cards 1342 00:57:19,570 --> 00:57:22,072 and data cards that he would slip 1343 00:57:22,106 --> 00:57:23,874 into a slot on the computer. 1344 00:57:23,908 --> 00:57:26,577 They look exactly like the 3 1/2" floppy disks 1345 00:57:26,611 --> 00:57:28,613 that were created 20 years later. 1346 00:57:28,646 --> 00:57:30,715 - It's remarkable to think, you know, 1347 00:57:30,748 --> 00:57:32,049 Siri's getting pretty close 1348 00:57:32,082 --> 00:57:33,684 to the computer on the Enterprise. 1349 00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:37,087 - "Star Trek," I think, on the technology side, 1350 00:57:37,121 --> 00:57:39,957 partly it's the extraordinary vision of Gene and the people 1351 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,493 that he worked with in creating that original show 1352 00:57:42,527 --> 00:57:46,396 and thinking about how things can be better in the future, 1353 00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:48,633 and then people growing up watching "Star Trek" 1354 00:57:48,666 --> 00:57:50,267 making those things happen 1355 00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:52,236 because they were inspired by "Star Trek." 1356 00:57:52,269 --> 00:57:55,372 So it's a really fascinating kind of feedback loop 1357 00:57:55,405 --> 00:57:58,075 between art and science. 1358 00:57:58,108 --> 00:58:00,545 - I can't think of another show that had nearly the impact 1359 00:58:00,578 --> 00:58:04,582 for people who really, you know, work in the aerospace industry 1360 00:58:04,615 --> 00:58:06,150 that "Star Trek" did, right. 1361 00:58:06,183 --> 00:58:08,285 Or even for a lot of cases, physics and things like that. 1362 00:58:08,318 --> 00:58:11,789 Because it did take a realistic approach to science 1363 00:58:11,822 --> 00:58:14,024 and using science to solve problems. 1364 00:58:14,058 --> 00:58:19,496 But you try to solve them with a rational approach. 1365 00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:21,966 narrator: "Star Trek" begins as a prime-time 1366 00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:23,367 television series, 1367 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,002 but over the next half century, 1368 00:58:25,035 --> 00:58:27,437 it reaches far beyond the airwaves 1369 00:58:27,471 --> 00:58:29,740 to help shape our world. 1370 00:58:29,774 --> 00:58:32,342 - "Star Trek" inspired people. 1371 00:58:32,376 --> 00:58:36,080 "Star Trek," like, people became scientists. 1372 00:58:36,113 --> 00:58:37,648 They became physicists. 1373 00:58:37,682 --> 00:58:40,317 They became doctors and astronauts 1374 00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,252 because of "Star Trek." 1375 00:58:42,286 --> 00:58:45,022 - When you see someone who says, "You were such a role model. 1376 00:58:45,055 --> 00:58:46,891 You know, I went to med school because of you." 1377 00:58:46,924 --> 00:58:48,826 Or, "I got into nursing because of you." 1378 00:58:48,859 --> 00:58:51,461 It made it richer for me. It made it a richer experience. 1379 00:58:51,495 --> 00:58:55,032 - I've received a lot of letters from people 1380 00:58:55,065 --> 00:58:58,135 who were inspired by "Star Trek" in general 1381 00:58:58,168 --> 00:59:00,805 and from my character, specifically, 1382 00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:03,107 to go into the sciences, into engineering. 1383 00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:06,043 It's cool that you can make science cool. 1384 00:59:06,076 --> 00:59:09,546 And that it can inspire somebody to move in that direction. 1385 00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:11,448 - One of the reasons I wanted to become an engineer 1386 00:59:11,481 --> 00:59:13,317 was because of "Star Trek." 1387 00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:17,087 Because there was something different about it 1388 00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:21,659 in that the world felt more thought through and real 1389 00:59:21,692 --> 00:59:24,228 than other things that you had seen. 1390 00:59:24,261 --> 00:59:27,698 - I mean, there's a picture of NASA and Mission Control 1391 00:59:27,732 --> 00:59:29,867 and people were wearing Spock ears. 1392 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:33,871 - People who went to college to study physics 1393 00:59:33,904 --> 00:59:36,540 or engineering or medicine because they grew up 1394 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,275 and were inspired by "Star Trek." 1395 00:59:38,308 --> 00:59:41,078 And wanted to be the next Scotty or the next Dr. McCoy. 1396 00:59:41,111 --> 00:59:42,613 - Jimmy Doohan, who played Scotty, 1397 00:59:42,647 --> 00:59:45,015 and DeForest Kelley, who played McCoy, 1398 00:59:45,049 --> 00:59:49,086 were always relating stories 1399 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,621 of people who had written to them 1400 00:59:50,655 --> 00:59:52,690 and would become engineers and doctors 1401 00:59:52,723 --> 00:59:54,625 because of "Star Trek." 1402 00:59:54,659 --> 00:59:56,861 I think that was great. 1403 00:59:56,894 --> 01:00:00,164 But how does that apply to me? And it didn't. 1404 01:00:00,197 --> 01:00:02,199 And for the longest time, it didn't. 1405 01:00:02,232 --> 01:00:05,703 Until I met a young lady, who after "Star Trek" 1406 01:00:05,736 --> 01:00:09,139 had gone to school to learn Russian 1407 01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:12,309 and went to work for the State Department. 1408 01:00:12,342 --> 01:00:16,981 Her mission was so important 1409 01:00:17,014 --> 01:00:18,949 that she couldn't tell me what it was about. 1410 01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:21,051 But it had to do with the Russians, 1411 01:00:21,085 --> 01:00:24,254 so I actually helped inspire a spy. 1412 01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:25,422 [laughing] 1413 01:00:25,455 --> 01:00:27,658 - I was so fascinated by "Star Trek" 1414 01:00:27,692 --> 01:00:31,128 that maybe the first filmmaking book I can remember reading was 1415 01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:33,630 "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield. 1416 01:00:33,664 --> 01:00:35,499 And I remember being so fascinated 1417 01:00:35,532 --> 01:00:38,903 by looking at the behind-the-scenes pictures, 1418 01:00:38,936 --> 01:00:41,739 the layout of how the sets were put together 1419 01:00:41,772 --> 01:00:44,374 at Desilu and Paramount Studios. 1420 01:00:44,408 --> 01:00:46,610 The idea of using a colored light 1421 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:48,578 to create different planets. 1422 01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:51,982 Just all the imagination that went into it, 1423 01:00:52,016 --> 01:00:53,818 it just really excited me, 1424 01:00:53,851 --> 01:00:57,354 and it really became a doorway into the idea of filmmaking 1425 01:00:57,387 --> 01:01:00,858 and into television, which obviously, you know, 1426 01:01:00,891 --> 01:01:02,226 I've spent my whole life on. 1427 01:01:02,259 --> 01:01:04,895 - Probably one of the most influential books in my life 1428 01:01:04,929 --> 01:01:06,797 was discovering "The Making of Star Trek" 1429 01:01:06,831 --> 01:01:09,366 by Stephen Whitfield, which I found at a school book fair 1430 01:01:09,399 --> 01:01:10,935 in the sixth grade. 1431 01:01:10,968 --> 01:01:14,404 And I read that thing cover to cover over and over again 1432 01:01:14,438 --> 01:01:17,207 'cause that really was about the making of a television series, 1433 01:01:17,241 --> 01:01:20,610 about selling a pilot, you know, show bibles 1434 01:01:20,644 --> 01:01:23,080 and production questions and issues 1435 01:01:23,113 --> 01:01:24,214 and fighting with networks. 1436 01:01:24,248 --> 01:01:26,784 And I was completely enthralled with it. 1437 01:01:26,817 --> 01:01:30,721 And it sort of--it imprinted itself in me in a profound way. 1438 01:01:30,755 --> 01:01:32,790 You know, I didn't really think about 1439 01:01:32,823 --> 01:01:35,092 becoming a television writer at that age, 1440 01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,293 and wouldn't for many, many years. 1441 01:01:36,326 --> 01:01:38,095 'Cause that wasn't a real job. 1442 01:01:38,128 --> 01:01:40,931 But reading that book gave me a hunger to do that. 1443 01:01:40,965 --> 01:01:43,667 I wanted, on some basic level, to do that, too, 1444 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:46,170 to make a television series and to do those things 1445 01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:47,537 like Gene had done. 1446 01:01:47,571 --> 01:01:51,108 - We were invited to the rollout of the Enterprise shuttle. 1447 01:01:51,141 --> 01:01:54,611 I didn't have an understanding of how significant it was 1448 01:01:54,644 --> 01:01:56,480 until we got there. 1449 01:01:56,513 --> 01:01:58,382 And there were several hundred people there. 1450 01:01:58,415 --> 01:02:00,717 And they had the Air Force Band. 1451 01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:05,622 The conductor raised the baton and waved his hand 1452 01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:08,692 and the band started playing up. 1453 01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:12,029 The Enterprise rolled out from behind the building, 1454 01:02:12,062 --> 01:02:14,431 and it was amazing to see. 1455 01:02:14,464 --> 01:02:17,034 As it came out, the band started playing 1456 01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:19,203 the theme music from "Star Trek." 1457 01:02:19,236 --> 01:02:25,409 And we jumped up as one, and were cheering and screaming. 1458 01:02:25,442 --> 01:02:28,278 It was just the most remarkable moment. 1459 01:02:28,312 --> 01:02:31,048 And, you know, across the nose of the shuttle 1460 01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:33,383 was the word "Enterprise." 1461 01:02:33,417 --> 01:02:37,421 For the first time, I realized that there was a significance 1462 01:02:37,454 --> 01:02:41,491 beyond the fact that we were a television show 1463 01:02:41,525 --> 01:02:43,127 that went on once a week. 1464 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,897 That we really had an influence in the culture. 1465 01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:48,332 And I guess it was the first time 1466 01:02:48,365 --> 01:02:51,735 that I really felt that I could take a bow. 1467 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:55,639 Up until then, my sense was, "I'm a supporting character 1468 01:02:55,672 --> 01:02:57,875 "with very little to do. 1469 01:02:57,908 --> 01:03:01,879 I'm riding the coattails of this television project, 1470 01:03:01,912 --> 01:03:04,148 and I haven't really contributed very much. 1471 01:03:04,181 --> 01:03:07,451 Well, that was all true, but I realized then 1472 01:03:07,484 --> 01:03:11,355 that I was part of a group that, as a group, 1473 01:03:11,388 --> 01:03:12,823 we had an influence. 1474 01:03:12,857 --> 01:03:15,993 That we had an influence in society 1475 01:03:16,026 --> 01:03:17,761 - Because of "Star Trek," I am all the things I just said. 1476 01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:21,031 Engineer, physicist, doctor, psychiatrist. 1477 01:03:21,065 --> 01:03:23,600 I've joined the military. I became a policeman. 1478 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:27,471 But the most potent, I think, 1479 01:03:27,504 --> 01:03:29,339 are the stories where someone comes up 1480 01:03:29,373 --> 01:03:33,043 and looks you in the eye and says, 1481 01:03:33,077 --> 01:03:36,613 "Star Trek was the only time in my house 1482 01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,682 "where there was peace. 1483 01:03:38,715 --> 01:03:41,886 "Where my dad or my mother or the abuse or the alcohol," 1484 01:03:41,919 --> 01:03:44,521 or whatever it was, "the only time where we sat together 1485 01:03:44,554 --> 01:03:48,959 and it was peaceful and trouble-free." 1486 01:03:48,993 --> 01:03:51,228 And--and it's heartbreaking. 1487 01:03:51,261 --> 01:03:52,429 And it's true. 1488 01:03:52,462 --> 01:03:54,131 You can see it in their eyes how true it is 1489 01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:55,432 and how important it is. 1490 01:03:55,465 --> 01:04:00,670 - There are people who have gone to nine foster homes, 1491 01:04:00,704 --> 01:04:05,675 and the only steady thing in all of those foster homes 1492 01:04:05,709 --> 01:04:07,844 was that the family watched "Star Trek." 1493 01:04:07,878 --> 01:04:10,881 - "Star Trek" over the years has inspired people. 1494 01:04:10,915 --> 01:04:16,253 And whether it's inspired them to follow their dreams 1495 01:04:16,286 --> 01:04:18,222 or believe in themselves, 1496 01:04:18,255 --> 01:04:21,258 I mean, that's the-- one of the key messages 1497 01:04:21,291 --> 01:04:25,529 in "Star Trek" is, "You're a great person. 1498 01:04:25,562 --> 01:04:27,831 "You have valid thoughts, valid ideas. 1499 01:04:27,864 --> 01:04:31,101 "Never think of yourself as less than anyone else. 1500 01:04:31,135 --> 01:04:35,739 Now go out there and follow your dreams." 1501 01:04:35,772 --> 01:04:37,374 - We were talking earlier, Doug, 1502 01:04:37,407 --> 01:04:41,078 before we started shooting here and I just found out, 1503 01:04:41,111 --> 01:04:44,514 somehow, just found out about a book right here. 1504 01:04:44,548 --> 01:04:46,083 - How could you have missed this book? 1505 01:04:46,116 --> 01:04:50,921 - Here it is, "The Making of Star Trek." 1506 01:04:50,955 --> 01:04:52,456 - That's the book. 1507 01:04:52,489 --> 01:04:54,224 - The book. - The book. 1508 01:04:54,258 --> 01:04:56,593 That book changed my life completely. 1509 01:04:56,626 --> 01:04:57,761 That book came out, I guess, like, 1510 01:04:57,794 --> 01:04:59,063 the second season of "Star Trek." 1511 01:04:59,096 --> 01:05:01,098 - Uh-huh. - I was crazy about the show. 1512 01:05:01,131 --> 01:05:03,700 - That book was, I mean for me, 1513 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:06,070 it was like Popeye downing a can of spinach. 1514 01:05:06,103 --> 01:05:07,104 Can I see it? - I mean, look at this. 1515 01:05:07,137 --> 01:05:08,438 This is the diagram of the bridge. 1516 01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:11,775 - Honestly, I mean, it totally gave me a direction. 1517 01:05:11,808 --> 01:05:14,344 I knew what I wanted to do after I read that book. 1518 01:05:14,378 --> 01:05:17,547 And I could say that "Star Trek" and that book 1519 01:05:17,581 --> 01:05:19,816 made me who I am today, and that kinda sounds a little sad. 1520 01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:22,319 But, you know, it led me to a couple of Emmys. 1521 01:05:22,352 --> 01:05:24,354 Led me to an Academy Award, you know. 1522 01:05:24,388 --> 01:05:29,059 And that's all because of "Star Trek." 1523 01:05:30,327 --> 01:05:31,828 - My favorite episodes were always the ones-- 1524 01:05:31,861 --> 01:05:33,163 personally, 'cause, you know, I was doing 'em. 1525 01:05:33,197 --> 01:05:35,132 - Mm-hmm. - Were the ones where Seven 1526 01:05:35,165 --> 01:05:36,533 was really exploring her humanity. 1527 01:05:36,566 --> 01:05:38,735 So I think it was "Someone To Watch Over Me" 1528 01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:40,237 where the doctor's teaching Seven how to date. 1529 01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,439 - Oh, that's a great one. - And I just-- 1530 01:05:42,472 --> 01:05:44,975 I thought that was so lovely and so touching, 1531 01:05:45,009 --> 01:05:46,576 and it just broke my heart at the end 1532 01:05:46,610 --> 01:05:48,012 when he's kinda falling in love with Seven 1533 01:05:48,045 --> 01:05:49,779 and she's like, "Yeah, there's nobody here for me." 1534 01:05:49,813 --> 01:05:51,315 I hated that moment. 1535 01:05:51,348 --> 01:05:53,750 - That's where you break the exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken. 1536 01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:55,385 - Yes! - The lobster. 1537 01:05:55,419 --> 01:05:56,686 - The creature has an exoskeleton, yes. 1538 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,821 [laughter] 1539 01:05:57,854 --> 01:05:59,856 So that was one of my favorites, definitely. 1540 01:06:04,928 --> 01:06:08,665 - Well, a truly great "Star Trek" episode, 1541 01:06:08,698 --> 01:06:13,070 in my opinion, has a list of ingredients. 1542 01:06:13,103 --> 01:06:15,105 It's an equation. 1543 01:06:15,139 --> 01:06:18,108 And that equation includes: 1544 01:06:18,142 --> 01:06:21,045 a great high concept 1545 01:06:21,078 --> 01:06:24,314 that provides cool character dynamics 1546 01:06:24,348 --> 01:06:27,517 and conflict, but also is a parable. 1547 01:06:27,551 --> 01:06:28,952 It has some deeper theme. 1548 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:30,420 - "Devil in the Dark" 1549 01:06:30,454 --> 01:06:31,855 I thought was a wonderful episode 1550 01:06:31,888 --> 01:06:35,659 about--about fear of the unknown. 1551 01:06:35,692 --> 01:06:37,194 How we fear--and even hate 1552 01:06:37,227 --> 01:06:39,629 something that we don't know anything about. 1553 01:06:39,663 --> 01:06:41,465 Learn who your enemy is and maybe then-- 1554 01:06:41,498 --> 01:06:44,501 maybe then it's no longer your enemy. 1555 01:06:45,669 --> 01:06:47,371 Interesting episode. 1556 01:06:47,404 --> 01:06:49,706 - You know, I remember the "Devil in the Dark" episode 1557 01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,541 with the Horta. That really left 1558 01:06:51,575 --> 01:06:52,842 a big impression on me as a kid, 1559 01:06:52,876 --> 01:06:54,778 that he didn't kill the monster 1560 01:06:54,811 --> 01:06:56,113 and that the monster was a mother 1561 01:06:56,146 --> 01:06:57,547 and had all these eggs. 1562 01:06:57,581 --> 01:06:58,882 - They're eggs, aren't they? 1563 01:06:58,915 --> 01:07:00,817 - Yes, Captain. Eggs. 1564 01:07:00,850 --> 01:07:02,486 And about to hatch. 1565 01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:04,054 - "A City on the Edge of Forever" 1566 01:07:04,088 --> 01:07:06,190 which is, of course, the episode of "Star Trek" 1567 01:07:06,223 --> 01:07:08,692 that is the one that everybody knows is a great one. 1568 01:07:08,725 --> 01:07:11,161 It's a little bit-- it's an eccentric episode. 1569 01:07:11,195 --> 01:07:14,931 I love also the two-parter. 1570 01:07:14,964 --> 01:07:17,767 The repurposing of the original pilot 1571 01:07:17,801 --> 01:07:19,103 into "The Ca--" 1572 01:07:19,136 --> 01:07:21,071 What is it, "The Cage: Part one and two"? 1573 01:07:21,105 --> 01:07:25,209 And that's brilliant--we refer to these shows all the time 1574 01:07:25,242 --> 01:07:26,743 on "Breaking Bad" in the writer's room. 1575 01:07:26,776 --> 01:07:28,745 We prefer to, you know, Tranya. 1576 01:07:28,778 --> 01:07:31,981 We refer to Captain Pike with his--with the light. 1577 01:07:32,015 --> 01:07:34,551 I mean, which, you know, couldn't even think of 1578 01:07:34,584 --> 01:07:36,920 as being a little bit like a Hector Salamanca 1579 01:07:36,953 --> 01:07:39,089 when he's in the wheelchair and he's got the bell. 1580 01:07:39,123 --> 01:07:40,957 - I really loved "Yesterday's Enterprise." 1581 01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:42,526 It was a spec script that I had 1582 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,061 that had gone through a couple of drafts already. 1583 01:07:45,095 --> 01:07:46,963 Then I took a pass at it 1584 01:07:46,996 --> 01:07:49,833 and reconceiving the story and kinda making it 1585 01:07:49,866 --> 01:07:51,835 a much more darker universe on the other side 1586 01:07:51,868 --> 01:07:54,238 and emphasizing the war aspect of it. 1587 01:07:54,271 --> 01:07:55,805 And the tragedy of it. 1588 01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:59,276 - My favorite is my favorite because it's just brilliant. 1589 01:07:59,309 --> 01:08:02,179 Brilliant writing. Brilliant directing. 1590 01:08:02,212 --> 01:08:03,747 Brilliant acting. 1591 01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:06,183 And it's called "Far Beyond the Stars." 1592 01:08:06,216 --> 01:08:09,119 It's where all the series regulars 1593 01:08:09,153 --> 01:08:11,087 appear as humans, 1594 01:08:11,121 --> 01:08:14,891 and the episode has to deal with racism. 1595 01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:16,893 It's not just good "Star Trek." 1596 01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,163 It's not just good science fiction. 1597 01:08:19,196 --> 01:08:20,530 It's great literature. 1598 01:08:22,899 --> 01:08:26,536 [Star Trek: The New Generation theme music] 1599 01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:28,972 - Well, you know, I think I'm the last 1600 01:08:29,005 --> 01:08:30,807 character Gene created. 1601 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,544 I think I'm the last one that he actually created 1602 01:08:34,578 --> 01:08:36,813 based on Texas Guinan. 1603 01:08:36,846 --> 01:08:39,716 - Guinan her name was. After Texas Guinan 1604 01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:41,618 who was a famous card player and gambler, 1605 01:08:41,651 --> 01:08:44,321 or whatever she was. 1606 01:08:44,354 --> 01:08:48,425 And Whoopi showed up in the show and brought in 1607 01:08:48,458 --> 01:08:52,296 this--this aura. 1608 01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:55,199 And the wild-- remember the shovelhead hats 1609 01:08:55,232 --> 01:08:57,734 she used to wear? That beautiful face 1610 01:08:57,767 --> 01:08:59,969 with those big eyes and that gorgeous skin 1611 01:09:00,003 --> 01:09:03,106 and the voice. And she played it so straight. 1612 01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:05,242 - Guinan was great, again, 'cause Whoopi's playing it. 1613 01:09:05,275 --> 01:09:07,277 Guinan was a strange, mysterioso character 1614 01:09:07,311 --> 01:09:08,578 that no--none of us really understood 1615 01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:09,913 what the hell she was. 1616 01:09:09,946 --> 01:09:12,782 When we started really getting into "Next Gen" 1617 01:09:12,816 --> 01:09:14,818 in the later years, what we said was, 1618 01:09:14,851 --> 01:09:16,853 "It's really about her relationship with Picard. 1619 01:09:16,886 --> 01:09:18,822 "Yes, she's the bartender and, yes, she listens 1620 01:09:18,855 --> 01:09:21,525 "to all their problems and gives insight to people 1621 01:09:21,558 --> 01:09:24,794 "for various issues, but she has some back-story 1622 01:09:24,828 --> 01:09:27,297 "with Picard, and it's a personal relationship with him 1623 01:09:27,331 --> 01:09:28,732 "that drives that character forward. 1624 01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:30,400 "And it's the only reason she's on the ship. 1625 01:09:30,434 --> 01:09:33,303 It's the only reason that she really matters on the show." 1626 01:09:33,337 --> 01:09:36,306 - In my mind, always believed that 1627 01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:39,142 Guinan was the great-great-great-great-great- 1628 01:09:39,175 --> 01:09:40,977 great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great- 1629 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:43,613 great-great-great-great-great-- couple more greats 1630 01:09:43,647 --> 01:09:46,216 grandmother of Picard. 1631 01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:49,653 And the reason she's on the ship is just to see how he's doing. 1632 01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:51,821 'Cause, you know, she can go anywhere at any time, 1633 01:09:51,855 --> 01:09:54,491 and she just irritates the hell outta Q. 1634 01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:57,261 Which made me very happy. John is wonderful. 1635 01:09:57,294 --> 01:10:00,163 - You know him? 1636 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:01,665 - We have had some dealings. 1637 01:10:01,698 --> 01:10:04,734 - Those dealings were two centuries ago. 1638 01:10:04,768 --> 01:10:07,471 This creature is not what she appears to be. 1639 01:10:07,504 --> 01:10:09,639 She's an imp, and where she goes 1640 01:10:09,673 --> 01:10:11,608 trouble always follows. 1641 01:10:11,641 --> 01:10:13,643 - You're speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan. 1642 01:10:13,677 --> 01:10:16,212 - Guinan? Is that your name now? 1643 01:10:16,246 --> 01:10:18,482 - Guinan is not the issue here. You are. 1644 01:10:18,515 --> 01:10:23,753 - I ended up doing six episodes of "Next Generation." 1645 01:10:23,787 --> 01:10:25,489 - Anytime there was an episode with Q in it, 1646 01:10:25,522 --> 01:10:29,326 I loved because whenever he was in an episode, 1647 01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:31,361 he was, you know, he was Agent Mayhem. 1648 01:10:31,395 --> 01:10:34,798 He was--it was going to be something really intense, 1649 01:10:34,831 --> 01:10:36,833 and he was seemingly unstoppable. 1650 01:10:36,866 --> 01:10:39,068 And so it was always really fascinating to watch. 1651 01:10:39,102 --> 01:10:41,070 - Jonathan Frakes used to say to me, 1652 01:10:41,104 --> 01:10:43,139 "You're the litmus test. 1653 01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:44,841 You come back once a year." 1654 01:10:44,874 --> 01:10:48,412 I always looked forward to come back, but I never asked. 1655 01:10:48,445 --> 01:10:50,246 It's a little bit like asking whether you're gonna 1656 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,382 be invited to somebody's dinner party. 1657 01:10:52,416 --> 01:10:55,685 - The character of Q-- that omnipotent, 1658 01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:57,654 Machiavellian, 1659 01:10:57,687 --> 01:10:59,356 cunning, bitter, 1660 01:10:59,389 --> 01:11:01,725 nasty, mean-spirited, 1661 01:11:01,758 --> 01:11:03,927 controlling character-- 1662 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,630 I can't even fathom anybody else 1663 01:11:06,663 --> 01:11:08,865 doing as much with it. 1664 01:11:08,898 --> 01:11:11,335 Painting that canvas as completely 1665 01:11:11,368 --> 01:11:15,705 as de Lancie did and does with all his characters. 1666 01:11:15,739 --> 01:11:18,107 Have you any idea how far we'll advance? 1667 01:11:18,141 --> 01:11:21,077 - Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, 1668 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:23,079 even beyond us. 1669 01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:25,415 - The character on the page is just not as entertaining. 1670 01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:26,750 You give it to John de Lancie, 1671 01:11:26,783 --> 01:11:28,618 and it becomes this other thing, right? 1672 01:11:28,652 --> 01:11:30,487 And everyone enjoyed writing for him. 1673 01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,756 It really-- people would just write 1674 01:11:32,789 --> 01:11:35,258 scene after scene after scene for Q in any of those shows, 1675 01:11:35,291 --> 01:11:38,728 and many of them were too silly or too over-the-top, 1676 01:11:38,762 --> 01:11:40,697 but you just really enjoyed it. 1677 01:11:40,730 --> 01:11:41,965 You really couldn't wait to dig your-- 1678 01:11:41,998 --> 01:11:43,833 dig into a Q episode. 1679 01:11:43,867 --> 01:11:45,835 Internally, what we said all the time was, 1680 01:11:45,869 --> 01:11:47,170 "Q is in love with Picard." 1681 01:11:47,203 --> 01:11:48,938 That was the fundamental of the relationship. 1682 01:11:48,972 --> 01:11:50,374 He's in love with him. He just is. 1683 01:11:50,407 --> 01:11:51,775 He loves Picard. 1684 01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,578 It's a particular relationship with this one human 1685 01:11:54,611 --> 01:11:56,580 and this omnipotent being that's bizarre, 1686 01:11:56,613 --> 01:12:02,586 but that's really what's at the heart of it. 1687 01:12:02,619 --> 01:12:04,688 - "Star Trek" is so character-oriented, 1688 01:12:04,721 --> 01:12:06,856 and there were so many great characters. 1689 01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:08,324 So many people got a chance to shine. 1690 01:12:08,358 --> 01:12:09,859 But I think that my favorite character 1691 01:12:09,893 --> 01:12:12,362 is "Mcskirk." - "Mcskirk"? 1692 01:12:12,396 --> 01:12:13,397 - "Mcskirk." 1693 01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:14,731 Which is McCoy, Scotty, and Kirk. 1694 01:12:14,764 --> 01:12:16,232 - Oh-- - 'Cause they're really one guy. 1695 01:12:16,265 --> 01:12:18,234 - I was like, "What did I miss?" [laughter] 1696 01:12:18,267 --> 01:12:19,569 Mcskirk? - I didn't see that episode. 1697 01:12:19,603 --> 01:12:21,304 - It's a transporter malfunction. 1698 01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:23,006 - You take that-- those three-- 1699 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:24,908 those three, it's like one guy 1700 01:12:24,941 --> 01:12:26,309 split up three ways. 1701 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:27,711 You know, ordinarily, if you have one person, 1702 01:12:27,744 --> 01:12:29,212 if you want to know what's going on in their head, 1703 01:12:29,245 --> 01:12:31,481 you gotta have a voice-over or something. 1704 01:12:31,515 --> 01:12:34,050 But with those three guys, split up that way, 1705 01:12:34,083 --> 01:12:35,652 they could have a conversation... 1706 01:12:35,685 --> 01:12:36,920 - Yeah. - And it's really like one guy. 1707 01:12:36,953 --> 01:12:39,288 - I love, love, love Scotty. 1708 01:12:39,322 --> 01:12:41,725 I-I think that he's-- 1709 01:12:41,758 --> 01:12:44,360 A, he's always the funnier one of everybody. 1710 01:12:44,394 --> 01:12:47,497 He's always--I love that he's third in command of the ship. 1711 01:12:47,531 --> 01:12:49,966 - He saw himself equal with the captain. 1712 01:12:49,999 --> 01:12:51,801 - Oh, and he was. - The ship was his. 1713 01:12:51,835 --> 01:12:53,603 - He was the captain of that engine room. 1714 01:12:53,637 --> 01:12:55,104 100%. - [laughs] 1715 01:12:55,138 --> 01:12:57,674 - Scotty was great, and I love how he got mad 1716 01:12:57,707 --> 01:13:00,009 and would yell at the captain about the things he needed 1717 01:13:00,043 --> 01:13:01,310 and how he couldn't really do it, 1718 01:13:01,344 --> 01:13:02,912 but really he could do it. 1719 01:13:02,946 --> 01:13:03,947 I just love it. I just loved him. 1720 01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:05,214 As a kid I was just like, 1721 01:13:05,248 --> 01:13:06,750 "I don't know why this guy's amazing, 1722 01:13:06,783 --> 01:13:08,852 but I want to be an engineer." - I think that's a great answer. 1723 01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,020 - You know the techno-babble. - Yeah. 1724 01:13:11,054 --> 01:13:12,756 - Which is so difficult... - Yeah. 1725 01:13:12,789 --> 01:13:15,892 - For the actors to do that stuff. 1726 01:13:15,925 --> 01:13:17,727 LeVar Burton, it didn't matter how late it got. 1727 01:13:17,761 --> 01:13:19,195 - Oh, you kidding me? - It could be 2:00 1728 01:13:19,228 --> 01:13:21,865 in the morning and he was just, like, right on the money. 1729 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:23,199 - He's--I--for some reason, 1730 01:13:23,232 --> 01:13:24,634 I can fix a warp core breach. [laughter] 1731 01:13:24,668 --> 01:13:26,803 I know that I need to reroute 1732 01:13:26,836 --> 01:13:29,338 main power through the secondary coupling 1733 01:13:29,372 --> 01:13:32,308 if there's a coolant leak. [laughter] 1734 01:13:32,341 --> 01:13:33,943 Why do I know that? 1735 01:13:33,977 --> 01:13:35,745 Because of LeVar Burton. - That's right. 1736 01:13:35,779 --> 01:13:37,481 - Uh, Worf. - Worf! 1737 01:13:37,514 --> 01:13:38,715 - Yes. - Really? 1738 01:13:38,748 --> 01:13:40,249 - Thank you. - I just--for some reason I-- 1739 01:13:40,283 --> 01:13:42,285 I mean, Data's the-- is really close, 1740 01:13:42,318 --> 01:13:44,454 but I just--something about Worf I really like. 1741 01:13:44,488 --> 01:13:46,155 - What is it about him? Is it the fact that he's 1742 01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:48,124 terrible at firing weapons? - [laughs] 1743 01:13:48,157 --> 01:13:50,193 - [laughs] - He misses everything. 1744 01:13:50,226 --> 01:13:52,395 - I don't know. - The captain--Captain Picard 1745 01:13:52,428 --> 01:13:54,764 will never take a suggestion of his. 1746 01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:56,666 - Does that make him more human to you? 1747 01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:58,101 - Yeah, he was-- - Because 1748 01:13:58,134 --> 01:14:00,103 it's immigrant family raised by Russians? 1749 01:14:00,136 --> 01:14:01,437 - He drinks prune juice. 1750 01:14:01,471 --> 01:14:03,272 Come on, now, who doesn't--who does that? 1751 01:14:03,306 --> 01:14:04,874 And he's a big warrior, so... - Yeah? 1752 01:14:04,908 --> 01:14:06,910 - But I think, you know-- I think partly 'cause he also 1753 01:14:06,943 --> 01:14:09,178 went--he transcends the two series. 1754 01:14:09,212 --> 01:14:11,047 You know, "The Next Gen." and "Deep Space Nine." 1755 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,016 - I gotta go with Kirk. 1756 01:14:13,049 --> 01:14:14,751 - You gotta go with Kirk. - I mean, the original series. 1757 01:14:14,784 --> 01:14:16,553 You just--the way he just kinda, you know, 1758 01:14:16,586 --> 01:14:18,021 sauntered around. - Yes. 1759 01:14:18,054 --> 01:14:19,055 - You gotta love him. 1760 01:14:23,593 --> 01:14:26,062 - The Shat was the guy I grew up on. 1761 01:14:26,095 --> 01:14:28,364 I admire Picard. 1762 01:14:28,397 --> 01:14:30,700 I love them all equally, but... 1763 01:14:30,734 --> 01:14:33,402 uh...I think there is no substitute 1764 01:14:33,436 --> 01:14:35,371 for Bill Shatner. 1765 01:14:35,404 --> 01:14:38,942 - Shatner's putting on such a great persona 1766 01:14:38,975 --> 01:14:41,410 of a trustworthy captain 1767 01:14:41,444 --> 01:14:43,613 with just enough sense of humor. 1768 01:14:43,647 --> 01:14:46,249 You know? And calm under pressure. 1769 01:14:46,282 --> 01:14:48,017 And good with the ladies. 1770 01:14:48,051 --> 01:14:49,653 Shatner had it all. 1771 01:14:49,686 --> 01:14:52,288 The way he presented that character was just so awesome 1772 01:14:52,321 --> 01:14:54,591 and believable and theatrical at the same time. 1773 01:14:54,624 --> 01:14:56,560 He's not a subtle guy. 1774 01:14:56,593 --> 01:14:58,862 But I just thought it was great. 1775 01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:00,597 He fought-- I think it was, like, 1776 01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:03,399 a Gorgan or whatever. It's where he had-- 1777 01:15:03,432 --> 01:15:05,769 Captain Kirk is stranded in the desert 1778 01:15:05,802 --> 01:15:07,470 and he's got, like, this lizard creature 1779 01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:09,138 he's gotta fight and he's gotta learn 1780 01:15:09,172 --> 01:15:10,874 how to make, like, gunpowder 1781 01:15:10,907 --> 01:15:12,842 and projectiles and stuff like that. 1782 01:15:12,876 --> 01:15:15,378 - Certainly the iconic, classic scene 1783 01:15:15,411 --> 01:15:17,881 in which Spock-- or Kirk 1784 01:15:17,914 --> 01:15:19,849 confronts "God" and says, 1785 01:15:19,883 --> 01:15:22,151 "What does God need with a starship?" 1786 01:15:22,185 --> 01:15:23,620 What other character in the history of cinema 1787 01:15:23,653 --> 01:15:26,022 would come up to God? Not even Charlton Heston 1788 01:15:26,055 --> 01:15:28,925 would say to God, "What do you need with a starship?" 1789 01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:30,293 - Absolutely, without question, 1790 01:15:30,326 --> 01:15:33,429 my favorite captain is James T. Kirk. 1791 01:15:33,462 --> 01:15:36,365 I mean, he just-- Kirk did the right thing. 1792 01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:38,668 He said the right thing. People looked up to him. 1793 01:15:38,702 --> 01:15:41,838 He was a man of action. He was a man of romance. 1794 01:15:41,871 --> 01:15:45,775 And, like, I mean, as performed by William Shatner? 1795 01:15:45,809 --> 01:15:47,711 I mean, there was a reason why as a little kid 1796 01:15:47,744 --> 01:15:49,545 I wanted to be Captain Kirk. 1797 01:15:49,579 --> 01:15:53,583 There's a reason why as an almost 50-year-old grown-up 1798 01:15:53,617 --> 01:15:55,484 that I still watch the original series 1799 01:15:55,518 --> 01:15:57,687 and I still wanna be James T. Kirk. 1800 01:15:57,721 --> 01:15:59,088 He is the best captain. 1801 01:16:01,791 --> 01:16:03,092 - The way he would stare down 1802 01:16:03,126 --> 01:16:06,195 100-foot tall Apollo, and with great... 1803 01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:08,497 sort of indignation: 1804 01:16:08,531 --> 01:16:11,067 "What gives you the right--" you know, 1805 01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:15,138 to a 100-foot tall god... [laughter] 1806 01:16:15,171 --> 01:16:17,473 he shouted, "What gives you the right?" 1807 01:16:17,506 --> 01:16:19,643 When Apollo just could have... [laughter] 1808 01:16:19,676 --> 01:16:21,544 done that. 1809 01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:24,848 Yeah, the sort of leadership and the fearlessness 1810 01:16:24,881 --> 01:16:28,484 and also...my first understanding 1811 01:16:28,517 --> 01:16:29,485 of what a... 1812 01:16:29,518 --> 01:16:30,987 you lead by example. - Yeah. 1813 01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:32,488 - The captain's setting, 1814 01:16:32,521 --> 01:16:34,223 the fish stinks from the head down, 1815 01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:36,793 all of those leadership qualities 1816 01:16:36,826 --> 01:16:41,097 that hadn't been shown to me by a family member 1817 01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:42,666 or by anyone at school, a teacher. 1818 01:16:42,699 --> 01:16:47,704 Really, it oddly was that leadership necessary 1819 01:16:47,737 --> 01:16:50,774 as put forth by Captain James Tiberius Kirk. 1820 01:16:50,807 --> 01:16:53,209 - I mean, I love Captain Kirk. However... 1821 01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:55,478 I have...[stammers] you know, I have to say 1822 01:16:55,511 --> 01:16:57,714 that I think my favorite captain is Picard... 1823 01:16:57,747 --> 01:16:59,482 - Uh-huh. - Because the thing is 1824 01:16:59,515 --> 01:17:01,751 Kirk is really only 1/3rd of a guy. 1825 01:17:01,785 --> 01:17:03,419 - Oh... - He's only 1/3rd of a guy! 1826 01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:05,321 - Interesting. - Picard is a nice, 1827 01:17:05,354 --> 01:17:06,723 well-rounded guy. 1828 01:17:06,756 --> 01:17:08,992 And he doesn't have to punch anybody in the face 1829 01:17:09,025 --> 01:17:10,760 to get his point across, right? 1830 01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:12,028 - But if he has to, he can. - Well, he can, 1831 01:17:12,061 --> 01:17:14,097 but he usually has Riker do it or Worf. 1832 01:17:14,130 --> 01:17:16,332 Yeah, he, uh... 1833 01:17:16,365 --> 01:17:18,301 You know, for me, in a lot of ways, 1834 01:17:18,334 --> 01:17:20,904 "Next Generation" was a... 1835 01:17:20,937 --> 01:17:22,972 "Star Trek" kind of grown up. - Yeah. 1836 01:17:23,006 --> 01:17:24,674 - You know? And that started with Picard. 1837 01:17:24,708 --> 01:17:26,843 - Yeah. My answer's actually Picard too. 1838 01:17:26,876 --> 01:17:28,812 Just because I find him to be-- 1839 01:17:28,845 --> 01:17:31,180 I don't think he's the most realistic of a captain. 1840 01:17:31,214 --> 01:17:33,249 I think that Picard has so few flaws, 1841 01:17:33,282 --> 01:17:35,151 and he only really finally becomes human 1842 01:17:35,184 --> 01:17:37,420 after he's a Borg and then turned into a human. 1843 01:17:37,453 --> 01:17:38,722 You know, he really just starts like-- 1844 01:17:38,755 --> 01:17:40,857 They give him a love story once in a while... 1845 01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:42,325 But it just--I don't know. 1846 01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:45,028 I just love-- I found Picard to be virtuous 1847 01:17:45,061 --> 01:17:47,764 and I found Picard to be like, oh... 1848 01:17:47,797 --> 01:17:51,768 if humans could one day turn into that guy, 1849 01:17:51,801 --> 01:17:54,070 maybe "Star Trek's" plausible. 1850 01:17:54,103 --> 01:17:55,604 But it's not gonna happen. 1851 01:17:55,638 --> 01:17:57,073 - Yeah, he's a great representation 1852 01:17:57,106 --> 01:17:58,641 of kind of Rodenberry's vision. - Yeah, a vision of what 1853 01:17:58,674 --> 01:17:59,909 humanity can be. - A captain needs to be. 1854 01:17:59,943 --> 01:18:01,711 - What a captain is. - Exactly. 1855 01:18:01,745 --> 01:18:03,212 - Yeah. Just putting every-- 1856 01:18:03,246 --> 01:18:05,081 He just--I don't know. I just always... 1857 01:18:05,114 --> 01:18:06,850 And that accent. I mean, you can't really... 1858 01:18:06,883 --> 01:18:12,355 - Well, the accent, yeah. - Top that voice. 1859 01:18:12,388 --> 01:18:14,390 n - The show is about what it is to be human, 1860 01:18:14,423 --> 01:18:16,325 and that never goes out of style. 1861 01:18:16,359 --> 01:18:18,061 And it's the type of stories that they tell 1862 01:18:18,094 --> 01:18:20,396 that you don't generally get in other television shows. 1863 01:18:20,429 --> 01:18:22,365 - Yeah. - The introspective... 1864 01:18:22,398 --> 01:18:24,700 And the basis of it is who are we... 1865 01:18:24,734 --> 01:18:26,269 who are we as human beings? 1866 01:18:26,302 --> 01:18:28,071 - I think it's because 1867 01:18:28,104 --> 01:18:30,173 it's an optimistic view of the future. 1868 01:18:30,206 --> 01:18:31,875 - Hope. - Yeah. It's hope. 1869 01:18:31,908 --> 01:18:33,409 - Yeah. - I think that's exactly 1870 01:18:33,442 --> 01:18:35,111 what it is-- it's an optimistic portrayal 1871 01:18:35,144 --> 01:18:37,180 of what we could hopefully achieve 1872 01:18:37,213 --> 01:18:39,883 and what our society could be like 1873 01:18:39,916 --> 01:18:41,650 and that we finally accept each other 1874 01:18:41,684 --> 01:18:44,387 and we finally learn to look past differences 1875 01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:45,955 and things like that. 1876 01:18:45,989 --> 01:18:48,157 And I think that we so desperately hope 1877 01:18:48,191 --> 01:18:50,259 that we can achieve that. 1878 01:18:50,293 --> 01:18:52,929 - And it evolves, you know, from series to series, 1879 01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:54,397 over the 50 years. 1880 01:18:54,430 --> 01:18:56,499 It may have some core values and ideas 1881 01:18:56,532 --> 01:18:58,301 and the optimism and the hope, 1882 01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:00,436 but it evolves with the times, too. 1883 01:19:00,469 --> 01:19:04,440 So it, you know, it-- hopefully the next reiteration 1884 01:19:04,473 --> 01:19:07,710 will fit our times today much like, you know, 1885 01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:09,745 "The Next Gen" did in the late '80s, early '90s 1886 01:19:09,779 --> 01:19:11,881 or "Deep Space Nine" and "Voyager" in the '90s, 1887 01:19:11,915 --> 01:19:14,250 and, of course, the original series back in the '60s. 1888 01:19:14,283 --> 01:19:15,718 But it's been able to evolve. 1889 01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:17,420 It hasn't been a static kind of franchise. 1890 01:19:20,389 --> 01:19:21,190 - There's that Martin Luther King line... 1891 01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:26,462 "The arc of history bends toward justice." 1892 01:19:26,495 --> 01:19:28,097 I think for fans of this show, 1893 01:19:28,131 --> 01:19:30,233 the arc of history bends towards "Star Trek," 1894 01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:32,668 that we have this hope, this belief, 1895 01:19:32,701 --> 01:19:35,704 that...things are getting better. 1896 01:19:35,738 --> 01:19:38,141 And that, yeah, we're probably not gonna, you know, 1897 01:19:38,174 --> 01:19:40,276 run into guys with pointed ears out there. 1898 01:19:40,309 --> 01:19:43,279 But we will find a way 1899 01:19:43,312 --> 01:19:45,748 to fix our problems 1900 01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:48,384 and move out into the universe 1901 01:19:48,417 --> 01:19:50,553 and believe in, you know, the... 1902 01:19:50,586 --> 01:19:53,022 you know, the better angels of our nature 1903 01:19:53,056 --> 01:19:55,925 and...and make the world a better place. 1904 01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:59,295 - One thing about "Star Trek" that I've said before 1905 01:19:59,328 --> 01:20:01,030 and I really believe it 1906 01:20:01,064 --> 01:20:05,601 is it was the Beatles of 1960s TV. 1907 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,703 And if you had to describe the Beatles, 1908 01:20:07,736 --> 01:20:09,272 you would say it's magic. 1909 01:20:09,305 --> 01:20:11,407 And take any one of them out of that band, 1910 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:13,276 and it's not the Beatles. 1911 01:20:13,309 --> 01:20:15,544 Well, "Star Trek's" the same way 1912 01:20:15,578 --> 01:20:16,913 from the same period. 1913 01:20:16,946 --> 01:20:19,182 I mean, take William Shatner out. 1914 01:20:19,215 --> 01:20:20,683 Take Leonard Nimoy out. 1915 01:20:20,716 --> 01:20:23,052 Take Rodenberry or Coon or Fontana out 1916 01:20:23,086 --> 01:20:25,721 or Deforest Kelley, and you don't have it. 1917 01:20:25,754 --> 01:20:27,356 It's still gonna be good, 1918 01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:29,725 but it's not gonna be what it is, 1919 01:20:29,758 --> 01:20:32,896 and we wouldn't have what we have now 15 years later. 1920 01:20:32,929 --> 01:20:35,364 - I think there's a lot of reasons why it endures so long. 1921 01:20:35,398 --> 01:20:38,267 You know, I think, um... 1922 01:20:38,301 --> 01:20:39,802 I think the biggest thing to me, 1923 01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:41,938 in terms of its longevity and success, 1924 01:20:41,971 --> 01:20:46,309 is that it is unique in that its portrayal of the future, 1925 01:20:46,342 --> 01:20:48,844 the optimistic portrayal of the future, 1926 01:20:48,878 --> 01:20:51,247 does kind of stand alone in pop culture. 1927 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,182 The vast majority of science fiction pieces 1928 01:20:53,216 --> 01:20:54,850 that take place in the future, you know, 1929 01:20:54,884 --> 01:20:57,786 show us a dystopian future, a terrible future. 1930 01:20:57,820 --> 01:21:00,656 Here's the only real science fiction construct 1931 01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:02,691 that I wanna go live in, you know, 1932 01:21:02,725 --> 01:21:04,127 that I want to be part of. 1933 01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,363 I want to join that crew. I want to live that life. 1934 01:21:07,396 --> 01:21:09,966 I want to have those adventures with those people. 1935 01:21:09,999 --> 01:21:13,702 - "Star Trek" has something to say about who we are as people, 1936 01:21:13,736 --> 01:21:15,871 who we aspire to be, 1937 01:21:15,905 --> 01:21:19,475 and it says that we will endure. 1938 01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:21,510 We will overcome all obstacles. 1939 01:21:21,544 --> 01:21:23,546 - I think "Star Trek" will be around 1940 01:21:23,579 --> 01:21:25,548 for a long, long time 1941 01:21:25,581 --> 01:21:28,284 because it's a unique piece of science fiction 1942 01:21:28,317 --> 01:21:31,087 in that it's optimistic. 1943 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,355 "Star Trek" is optimistic. 1944 01:21:32,388 --> 01:21:34,357 It holds out the hope 1945 01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:37,860 not that humans are gonna be somehow perfect in the future 1946 01:21:37,893 --> 01:21:39,362 but things can get better. 1947 01:21:39,395 --> 01:21:41,064 - I think "Star Trek" succeeded 1948 01:21:41,097 --> 01:21:44,033 because a number of elements fell into place. 1949 01:21:44,067 --> 01:21:47,136 They had a great overall story. 1950 01:21:47,170 --> 01:21:51,740 They're modern-day pioneers where no man has gone before. 1951 01:21:51,774 --> 01:21:53,709 So it could be the Wild West. 1952 01:21:53,742 --> 01:21:57,313 It's the Wild West in space, really, led by a great captain 1953 01:21:57,346 --> 01:21:59,182 and an incredible team. 1954 01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:02,085 - And I think it's gone on for 50 years so far 1955 01:22:02,118 --> 01:22:06,189 because it is a show about human interest 1956 01:22:06,222 --> 01:22:09,658 and adventure and how far we will go 1957 01:22:09,692 --> 01:22:13,396 to try to learn more and to expand our own worlds 1958 01:22:13,429 --> 01:22:14,763 and our own minds. 1959 01:22:14,797 --> 01:22:16,699 And I think that's something that resonates 1960 01:22:16,732 --> 01:22:18,234 with people 50 years ago, 1961 01:22:18,267 --> 01:22:20,903 and it'll resonate with people 50 years from now. 1962 01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:25,274 - And now, of course, J.J. has taken it to a whole other place. 1963 01:22:25,308 --> 01:22:27,343 - Why "Star Trek" is still relevant 1964 01:22:27,376 --> 01:22:30,613 is because of the paradigm that Gene Rodenberry came up with, 1965 01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:33,216 the idea of unity, of humanity-- 1966 01:22:33,249 --> 01:22:36,519 and other species, actually-- working together. 1967 01:22:36,552 --> 01:22:38,254 There's an optimism to it 1968 01:22:38,287 --> 01:22:40,656 that I think we've never needed more than now. 1969 01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:43,092 - Well, it starts with the characters, you know. 1970 01:22:43,126 --> 01:22:44,593 I love the ensemble. 1971 01:22:44,627 --> 01:22:46,062 I love the idea that, you know, 1972 01:22:46,095 --> 01:22:47,463 this group of people came together 1973 01:22:47,496 --> 01:22:50,333 and through the shared journey, they become a family. 1974 01:22:50,366 --> 01:22:52,601 The sense of family that goes beyond blood. 1975 01:22:52,635 --> 01:22:55,538 And I also love every night there's a sense of discovery 1976 01:22:55,571 --> 01:22:57,140 and exploration, you know, 1977 01:22:57,173 --> 01:22:59,608 and that, to me, is the DNA of "Star Trek." 1978 01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:02,011 - You know, I think "Star Trek's" enduring appeal 1979 01:23:02,045 --> 01:23:05,081 is really because it presents a vision of humanity 1980 01:23:05,114 --> 01:23:08,051 that is united and, particularly in this day and age, 1981 01:23:08,084 --> 01:23:10,619 it's wonderful to have kind of a beacon of morality 1982 01:23:10,653 --> 01:23:14,090 to see that, you know, maybe the dystopian future 1983 01:23:14,123 --> 01:23:16,792 that you see in a lot of movies like the "Mad Max" movies 1984 01:23:16,825 --> 01:23:19,528 and the "Blade Runner" movies is not gonna be our future. 1985 01:23:19,562 --> 01:23:21,097 - Collectivism versus separatism, 1986 01:23:21,130 --> 01:23:23,532 which is a big thing in today's society, you know. 1987 01:23:23,566 --> 01:23:25,668 About how we're better together. 1988 01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:27,803 And that was something that we felt obligated to do. 1989 01:23:27,836 --> 01:23:29,138 This is "Star Trek." 1990 01:23:29,172 --> 01:23:31,040 "Star Trek" has always spoken about who we are now. 1991 01:23:31,074 --> 01:23:33,809 - And now it's, I guess, coming back on another network. 1992 01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:36,479 You know I'ma try to get on there, you know, just to see. 1993 01:23:36,512 --> 01:23:40,649 Because I try--You know, Guinan is everywhere all the time. 1994 01:23:40,683 --> 01:23:43,619 - A majority of the "Star Trek" fans that I've met 1995 01:23:43,652 --> 01:23:45,254 are proactive 1996 01:23:45,288 --> 01:23:48,757 in making that vision of a better future a reality. 1997 01:23:48,791 --> 01:23:52,027 - The "Star Trek" fans are the most unique people 1998 01:23:52,061 --> 01:23:53,629 you've ever met. 1999 01:23:53,662 --> 01:23:56,199 They know your character. 2000 01:23:56,232 --> 01:24:00,069 They know every episode and what it meant 2001 01:24:00,103 --> 01:24:02,105 and how it affected them. 2002 01:24:02,138 --> 01:24:04,006 - If I were given the choice 2003 01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:07,576 of any character ever portrayed on television-- 2004 01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:08,977 that I could play any character I wanted-- 2005 01:24:09,011 --> 01:24:10,579 I would choose Spock. 2006 01:24:10,613 --> 01:24:12,848 - Well, people identified with us. 2007 01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:16,051 They identified with "Star Trek," 2008 01:24:16,085 --> 01:24:19,021 they identified with the characters. 2009 01:24:19,054 --> 01:24:21,524 They were dressing in their own uniforms 2010 01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:23,092 and their own costumes. 2011 01:24:23,126 --> 01:24:25,961 - It resonated with that group of people 2012 01:24:25,994 --> 01:24:27,930 that were kids, you know, 2013 01:24:27,963 --> 01:24:30,266 and now they're young adults. 2014 01:24:30,299 --> 01:24:32,335 - "Star Trek" created an umbrella 2015 01:24:32,368 --> 01:24:35,003 for everybody else. 2016 01:24:35,037 --> 01:24:38,407 And then once we got in under the shade, 2017 01:24:38,441 --> 01:24:41,277 we then said, "Oh, come. Come and join us." 2018 01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:44,180 That's what "Star Trek" did. 2019 01:24:44,213 --> 01:24:47,350 And that tent will continue to grow. 2020 01:24:47,383 --> 01:24:49,118 - And it's now 30 years later for our show, 2021 01:24:49,152 --> 01:24:50,519 when I'm talking to you, 2022 01:24:50,553 --> 01:24:54,190 50 years for the original show, and, I mean, 2023 01:24:54,223 --> 01:24:57,360 it goes in waves, but people are still 2024 01:24:57,393 --> 01:24:59,995 attached to, committed to, 2025 01:25:00,028 --> 01:25:02,831 affected by, interested in 2026 01:25:02,865 --> 01:25:04,967 this thing that Gene invented, 2027 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,035 and I was blessed enough to be part of. 153827

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