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(Thunder rumbles)
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(Lightning cracks)
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One night I was watching
the 1947 version of Oliver Twist,
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David Lean's Oliver Twist,
photographed by Guy Green
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We were watching the movie,
watching the opening scenes of the film,
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of Oliver's mother in labour
walking across this dark moor
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and my uncle just happened to say,
"God, this photography is gorgeous."
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And I said, "Photography? "
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That's when I learned
what a director of photography was
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I found out that I was unconsciously...
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I was responding to light
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In the beginning,
all there was was a guy with a camera
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There were no directors. There was nothing
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There was a guy on the camera
and he would shoot these subjects
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The subject may be 20 seconds long
of a train coming at you, wherever it is
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Then actors were brought in
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and because the cameramen
were basically photographers,
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and weren't that facile with performers,
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usually one of the performers
directed the performers
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So, right in the very beginning, you saw
that there was the division of duties
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There was the director
who took care of the acting part,
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and there was the cameraman
who took care of everything else
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The cinematographer's job
is to tell people where to look,
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to say, "Look at this. She's going to weep and
sing the aria," or, "He's going to draw the gun."
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Or, you know, "He feels OK, but behind him
is an ape. You'd better look at the ape!"
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We do some things we don't realise we're doing
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until we see the film put together
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We did them out of instinct.
We didn't know exactly why
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And they work for the picture
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And it's very hard to express a reason for it
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but it's there
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The great cinematographers are able to
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understand the stories they are trying to tell
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and find those elusive visual images
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that help to tell that story
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A great DP adds to the material
that already exists,
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and really works
to understand the subject matter
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and the language of the director
they're working with
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I think visually
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I think of how, if you turned off the soundtrack,
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anybody would stick around
and figure out what was going on
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There's just every technique, visually
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There's a language
far more complex than words
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I enjoy going onto a stage that's totally black,
striking a first light, and saying, "Here we go."
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That really turns me on, personally
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I wanted to copy...
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...simulate what I saw on the screen
by the giants and masters
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To this day, I still have a reverence
of Charlie Lang, Stanley Cortez...
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...and Ted McCord, and Arthur Miller...
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...and Hal Moore, and Leon Shamroy,
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Milton Krasner and all those people
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I wanted to be like them
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I wanted to do what they did
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What you had to have
in the black-and-white days,
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you had to have a real grasp
of what photography meant
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Those were the real cinematographers.
These people knew photography
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The more I've learned, and shot films,
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when I go back and look what was done
in the teens and the '20s...
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Some years ago, I had the very good fortune
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to see an original negative print
of Birth of a Nation, shot by Billy Bitzer,
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who was with Griffith on all of his early films
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It was an inspiration to realise
what was achieved in that cinematography
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We're talking pretty close
to the beginning of everything here
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and to realise what he accomplished
with the equipment he had
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and how quickly so many things
became much more sophisticated
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The '20s was really a golden age for cinema
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because the camera
was unencumbered by sound
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And it was unencumbered by all the...
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devices that accompany
verbal dialogue storytelling
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It really was a visual medium
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The early movies seemed to be freer
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I mean,
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you see like scenes like in Way Down East,
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when Lillian Gish is jumping
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from a piece of ice to another one,
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it's almost a documentary
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She actually is doing it
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and there is no tricks and no studio
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The camera was very free
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The camera could move very fast
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Cameras were much smaller
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and the fact that they didn't have sound
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allowed them to shoot very freely
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The camera could be anywhere
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JOHN BAILEY: And the Germans, in the '20s,
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were really the cutting edge
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Directors like Pabst and Murnau
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really took a lot of the formal elements
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that came out of
German expressionist sculpture
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and painting and graphics
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and grafted them into film
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A lot of European film-makers -
directors like Murnau -
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came to the United States
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The production of Sunrise was
a real watershed for American film-making
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And that film was startling in every aspect
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In its design aspect
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Certainly in its use
of expressionistic lighting techniques
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Character was revealed in Sunrise
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through a lot of very complicated
lighting changes
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and dramatic lighting sources
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that were very, very new and fresh
in the American films
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They had crane shots that went
for ever and ever and ever
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And they had these kind of rigs,
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that would be rigged overhead in the studios
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This was all very inventive business
that they did
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They had a fluid camera
that would just continue on and on and on
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Where we have steadicams and things like that,
and Panaglides,
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they were doing that some time ago
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We're talking 1927
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Everything had to be told visually
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and I think when sound came in,
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that was a great catastrophe for movie-making
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I still believe that if sound would have come in
ten or 15 years later,
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I think the art of movies and cinematography
would have been much, much higher
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than even it is today
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We've all seen those sequences
from early sound films
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where it's all too obvious
that there's a microphone
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planted in a flower vase
at the centre of the table,
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cos all the actors are leaning forward,
speaking into it
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But I really shouldn't blame you
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I'm the son ofyour employer
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and that in itself makes me
a low, low scoundrel
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If I didn't trust you, I wouldn't be here
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So, here we are
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Chopped onions?
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JOHN BAILEY: The camera can't move at all,
it can't even pan or tilt,
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because it's in a huge, soundproof
refrigerator or ice box
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and it took a number of years
for cinematographers
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to start thinking about ways
to free the camera again
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(Dr Jekyll gasps for breath)
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If a director, as Rouben Mamoulian did,
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cared enough to fight for his mobile camera
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and the whole idea
that you could do a sound film,
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where you didn't record sound for every shot
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or perhaps you would add the sound later
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I think you see with Mamoulian, with Lubitsch,
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you see some early talkies...
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You see it with Vidor
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I mean, these people refused to be bound
to the conventional
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Good work was being done.
It was more difficult
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Mommy!
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All right, boys
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Now, when you come through there...
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Once, of course, the camera could be blimped
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in some kind of a portable device,
soundproofed,
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it could then be put on a dolly
and the camera could be moved again
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Of course, it energises and infuses
the whole feel of a film
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to have a camera that can move with actors,
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can move counter to actors
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Are you giving me the run-around?
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# ln the winter that we bring spring to you
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The '30s brought in
the full flowering of the studio system
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And the leading cinematographers
helped create
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what was considered to be a studio look
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There was the gloss of Paramount,
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the harder-edged look that Warner Brothers
was noted for,
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and the glamour that we associate with MGM
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In the heavy studio times,
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through the '30s, through the '50s,
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every studio had its own laboratory
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and every studio was trying to make
what they did distinctive and different
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And it depended very much
on the group of contract cameramen
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and art directors and directors,
how they ran their operation
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Quiet, everybody!
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They learned together
and they developed this technique
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and they invented the equipment
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Everything you see on a movie camera
was invented by some cameraman
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because he needed to do something
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and he didn't know how to do it
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and so they had these machine shops
and they would just fabricate this stuff
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It was a system where people
really followed up through the system
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You were an assistant.
You worked your way up
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You followed in the footsteps
of the person that you were working under
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And so it tended to create a stronger
impression of, you know, a particular style,
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that we think of as being Hollywood
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It was no joke.
You finished on a Saturday night,
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and Monday morning
you started a different picture
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Sometimes with Sunday to read the script.
They kept you working
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You were paid a very good salary,
but you didn't get to goof off
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and it was only on the very biggest pictures
where you might have a long period of testing
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So, these people were tested every day
as they worked,
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and had to be able to handle different things
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I'm sure they were assigned to their strengths
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by studios sometimes,
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but sometimes they weren't
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I think the system had its good points
and its bad points for cinematographers,
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as it did for everyone
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I think that today we look back
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and sometimes there's a nostalgia
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After years of berating the studio system,
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now we sort of say,
"Gee, but they made so many pictures,
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and you had so many opportunities."
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Have a drink?
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JOHN BAILEY: The dominance
of the actor and the actress
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as the driving engine of the Hollywood movies
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dictated a certain kind of vocabulary
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that, basically, were medium shots,
close-ups, over-the-shoulders
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and the principle was to make the actors,
especially the leading actor and actress,
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look as handsome and as beautiful as possible
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When you photographed a star well,
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they had enough power
to be able to put you under contract
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Or, at least, to insist that that cinematographer
would photograph them
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Louis B Meyer was a very smart man
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He'd call the cameramen in and he'd say,
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"I don't care what the star goes through,
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flood, fire, I don't care,
she's got to look beautiful."
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This is the first thing you learn,
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because this is actually
a cameraman's bread and butter
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They used to tell the cameraman,
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"Put your shadows anywhere,
but don't put any shadows on their faces."
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They wanted to see their faces
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and that was the rule
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Most of the photography out there
had that look
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(Plays piano)
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Women stars particularly,
at that time, were very important
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and they wanted their own photographers
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Garbo wouldn't have anybody
but Bill Daniels do her pictures
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After all, when one may not have long to live,
why shouldn't one have fancies?
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Here's a man who'd been
very much a rebel film-maker,
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who later on went on
to make his own reputation
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as the studio cameraman par excellence
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I was sad, when Garbo died,
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that not many papers
mentioned Bill Daniels' name
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Because this is a man that created with her
her whole screen persona
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If you noticed,
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the beautiful jobs that were done
on Marlene Dietrich
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Where she would be maybe...
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If you light a set at 100 foot-candles,
she would be at 110, 115 foot-candles
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She would have just a little bit more light on her
than anybody else
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so she would pop out amongst the crowd
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(Train clatters over tracks)
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It sounds funny,
but I don't seem to be able to entertain you
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I hate to be entertained. Please don 't do it
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I shot her on a picture called Desire
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and I found out that her face needs
a completely different kind of lighting
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A high key light
that would narrow her cheeks down
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And just made her look well
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Sternberg, I think, found that out
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In fact, she almost insisted. She'd say,
"That's the light I'd like to use up there."
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Won't you please get out of here?
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Now, is that a nice way to talk
to the man whose name you bear?
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All right, I took your name. So what?
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Claudette Colbert, yes,
she had to be lit on one side
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You probably know that
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We even built the set so that she would always
be on one side of her face
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She really did have problems
with the other side of her face
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So, once in a while, I'd get a man star
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Strange, though, when both of them
had to be lit on one side
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Now you had problems!
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It was the studio look that was pre-eminent
rather than individual cinematographers
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But there were coming out of that,
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you know, really stellar people...
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like George Folsey,
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like Gregg Toland,
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like Arthur Miller,
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...who had such strength,
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and such individual voice,
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that they kind oftranscended
whatever studio they happened to work for
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Today, you look back and very easily recognise
a lot of their films from the look,
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irrespective of director even
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WOMAN: Do you wish anything, madam?
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I didn't expect to see you, Mrs Danvers
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I noticed that a window wasn't closed...
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George Barnes, I admired his work, too.
He did romantic work, wonderfully imaginative
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and just great-looking
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It's a lovely room, isn't it?
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The loveliest room you've ever seen
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Everything is kept just as Mrs de Winter liked it
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Nothing has been altered since that last night
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Gregg Toland
learned his craft through George Barnes
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I think he was with him for many, many pictures
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And then Gregg broke away doing his own
and did wonderful work
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SVEN NYKVIST: The one I really
was inspired on was Gregg Toland
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I saw all his films and I remember the first one,
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that was The Long Voyage Home
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(Ship foghorn)
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It was fantastic
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He worked with a depth of field the whole time
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and lighting was so interesting
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because he dared to take
a lot of contrast in the pictures
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And perhaps it was a little too much sometimes,
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but for a cinematographer, it was fantastic
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Let's take him aboard!
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On your feet!
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JOHN BAILEY: He did a film for John Ford,
The Grapes of Wrath,
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which had a very naturalistic feel,
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almost a documentary reality
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You can take frames from The Grapes of Wrath
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and put 'em alongside the WPA photographs
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of Walker Evans or Dorothea Lange
or Doris Ulmann or anybody,
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and it's really hard to tell the difference
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(Vehicle engine chugs)
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(Dog barks)
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He did seem to have an eye for things
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and also he was very creative
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For instance,
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we much later started doing filming
with candlelight, for instance, or a match
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and he already did it in The Grapes of Wrath
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He didn't have the technology we have today
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Film was not as fast as it was
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But already you get the idea that, actually,
the light,
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when he's describing that empty house,
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comes from the hand and the match
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Toland was a gambler
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He was a real gambler
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He wasn't afraid to try anything
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I remember when they were doing Citizen Kane
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I was working in the trick department at Selznick
and they shot it at Selznick Studio
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Is that really your idea
of how to run a newspaper?
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I don't know how to run a newspaper.
I just try everything I can think of
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He was working with Orson Welles
who was also a gambler
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The two of 'em
made a wonderful pair on that picture
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Wonderful pair
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Wouldn't you love to have known what films
that Welles and Toland screened together?
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And what they enjoyed? Obviously Welles had
seen Toland's work and been impressed with it
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The idea that Toland understood
all the rules he could break
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VOICEOVER:
No public man whom Kane himself...
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ALLEN DAVIAU: The film opens up
with a send-up of the March of Time newsreel
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And, I mean, it is done with such loving detail
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I mean, in terms of texures and contrasts
and dupes and scratching film intentionally
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What a wonderful time they had to have
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sitting around there, thinking up all of the
different things they were gonna do in that film
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They must have had
a very good trust for one another,
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because a director has to kind of
embrace their DP, to let them go
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And what Toland contributed
is so amazing to that film
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The deep space
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And the camera blocking
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It takes a certain kind of director to want to put
up with being that demanding on their actors
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That's complete choreography
of acting to camera
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By having the deep focus,
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he was able to give Orson a lot more leeway
on how he moved his actors
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It freed him up
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I think that was a tremendous contribution
Gregg gave to the film
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Be careful, Charles
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Pull your muffler round your neck
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I think we shall have to tell him now
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We always have this problem
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with cinematography not being able
to carry somebody in the foreground
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who's sharper in focus
than somebody 20 feet back
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Gregg had, for a number of years,
been working on new lenses, faster lenses,
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that would allow him to pour more light in
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and get a greater depth in these scenes
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And that's one of the things, I think,
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that gave Citizen Kane
the kind of dynamics that it had
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Extraordinary dynamics
compared to other films at the time
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In 1948, it played in one of the...
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most popular cinemas in Budapest
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Exactly one week
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And the government just pulled it right after that
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The little screening room was packed
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because we'd heard Citizen Kane
is going to be screened
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which was one of the major events,
I think, at that time
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That was the first time I'd seen Citizen Kane
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and I just couldn't believe the magnitude
and the magic of film-making
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And after a while,
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Citizen Kane was like a textbook for us
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It's so sad they never got to collaborate again
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And Welles' regard for him is expressed,
very plainly,
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in the end title card of the film,
where Welles shared his title card with Toland
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Film noir really had its high water mark
right after the war
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The visual style of film noir, I think,
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has fingerprints going back very early
in German Expressionist cinema
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They had a sparseness
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A visual and stylistic sparseness
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What is the bare-bones story?
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What are the bare-bones facts
of the characters?
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And what is the basic visual information
we need to tell the story?
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And so, film noir developed an increasingly
dense and rarefied visual vocabulary
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that had to do with
very strong single-source lighting,
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slashes of light, dark shadows, low angles...
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Extremely strong graphic elements
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that had kind of a primal simplicity to them
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(Woman laughs)
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We weren't expecting you, Mildred. Obviously
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John Alton is really one of the pre-eminent
film noir cinematographers
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ALLEN DAVIAU: Alton and the people
in film noir were not afraid of the dark
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In fact, they were willing to sketch things
just very, very, very slightly
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to see how you could use dark,
not as negative space,
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but as the most important element in the scene
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(Gunshots)
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We all have been influenced by that
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in terms of what's important
are the lights you don't turn on
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Go!
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(Gunfire)
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Alton did one picture particularly
that I feel is very influential
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called The Big Combo
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which is a very simple, inelegant film,
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that is somewhat brutal in a way,
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but which incorporates these very sparse
lighting elements and graphic elements
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So that it is very much black and white
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There's very little grey in that movie
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You can take almost any sequence - and
certainly the final sequence in The Big Combo,
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which has as a single light source,
a searchlight going around this dockside
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It ends with a gunfight taking place against that
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The final shot is a silhouette
walking out into sort of a grey dawn
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I mean, very stark imagery
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You end up at the end of the noir period
with a film like Touch of Evil by Orson Welles,
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which was enormously baroque
and complex in its style,
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but was still, basically, a film noir
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Told you I brought you up here for a reason
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ALLEN DAVIAU: Welles had caused
to be brought to Universal Studios
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one of these Eclair Caméflex
lightweight European cameras
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He had a very enthusiastic young operator
named Philip Lathrop
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and Lathrop got very into hand-holding this
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and working with Welles on these compositions
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You see some of the scenes and realise
how much hand-holding was done,
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but it's extremely seamless
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That film, in particular,
was an inspiration to all of us
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because it was a textbook of what you could do
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It was shot on a small budget in a short time,
mostly on locations,
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and again you had,
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almost simultaneous
with the breakout in France of the New Wave,
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you had Orson Welles doing a New Wave film
in a Hollywood studio
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I think it's continued to be an inspiration
to a lot of film-makers
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(Birdsong)
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Colour processes were always
being experimented with,
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from the very beginning of cinema,
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even before there was
a de facto colour process
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Film-makers occasionally hand-painted
frame by frame
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entire sequences or even entire films
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Then later in the silent period,
overall tinting for sequences,
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like blue for night, amber for dawn,
or whatever, was also practised
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(Crowd cheering)
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And then during the '30s,
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Ray Rennahan photographed a film
called Mystery of the Wax Museum
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using a two-colour process,
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which incorporated two strips of film
running simultaneously through the camera
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Ray Rennahan had been doing some gorgeous
stuff with the two-colour process earlier,
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but when the three-colour process arrived,
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and they started to appreciate the fact
that this was something quite sophisticated,
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the interest in it grew
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The process was recognised as startling
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It was subtle and beautifully gradated
in its tonality
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Interest in it immediately grew and led to
some of the really crowning achievements
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of the late '30s and early '40s
in colour cinematography
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Another dance,
and my reputation will be lost for ever
437
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,858
With enough courage,
you can do without a reputation
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00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,016
Oh, you do talk scandalous!
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When Gone With the Wind came in,
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they started on what they called the new film,
a fast film
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But everything had to be lit with arcs
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And with this amount of light,
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it was very difficult
working under those conditions
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Victor Fleming, of course,
used to be a cameraman
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before he became a director
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and he knew the camera
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He knew the limitations
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Now, the shot of the station
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with all the dummies and the people dead,
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we had to have a special crane
that came up from Long Beach
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It was a long pole that they used, a derrick,
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and that was a difficult shot
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But I thought that was
one of the best shots in the picture
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For the people who had done black and white,
to go into colour,
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it was not only a technical adaption,
but it was a philosophical one
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Having to learn to see in black and white
is a very great discipline
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And to suddenly, after years and years
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of focusing all of your faculties
into being able to previsualise
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how a scene was going to appear
in black and white,
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and suddenly say,
"Oh, well, here it is in colour..."
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Black and white is a much more
immediately abstract medium
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It's removed from reality by its very nature
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And you're more free to associate
drama and tonality and so on
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inside black and white,
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and I think that's why many of them
never wanted to leave it
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Those of us who just missed our chance
to do black and white,
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I look forward to the day
when I get to do a black and white picture
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I have no doubt it's going to be difficult
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and I think that for us,
it's going to be going the other direction
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# Leaning on the everlasting arms
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Shame on you, Ruby,
472
00:32:25,180 --> 00:32:28,297
mooning around the house
after that mad dog of a man
473
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:32,376
Every one of the old-time DPs,
474
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:34,934
like Charlie Clarke and Leon Shamroy
475
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:38,814
and Arthur Miller and James Wong Howe,
the people I met and knew,
476
00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:42,489
they really thought of it as a job
and they thought of it as a craft
477
00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:47,938
And when you would talk to them about
any kind of art kind of thing,
478
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:53,657
they would never kind of admit to it being art
479
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:59,377
They'd say, "Oh, yeah, we did this interesting
effect in the picture or that interesting effect."
480
00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:01,058
When you make a movie,
481
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,375
you've got to have a screenplay, a story
482
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:09,610
That story really dictates
to what we are going to do
483
00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:12,220
How to shoot it. How to photograph it
484
00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:14,012
How to direct it, how to act it
485
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:18,212
Everyone is subservient to that
486
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:20,569
We can go one way or the other,
487
00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:23,009
to get our own ideas in it
488
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:25,096
but not get our personality in it
489
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:29,610
MAN: Get these papers while they're hot!
490
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:31,616
- Latest paper here!
- Come on, come on!
491
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:33,173
Keep your sweatshirt on
492
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:38,892
JAMES WONG HOWE: As a cameraman,
I try to keep the mechanics out of it
493
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:41,454
Not to interfere with the scene
494
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:48,497
And I try... really try to find
the most simple approach in lighting
495
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:54,699
I don't want my photography to get in the way
of the story, of the acting
496
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:56,731
(Horn honks)
497
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,172
I'll remember you, honey
498
00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:14,338
You're the one that got away
499
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:29,979
I worked for James Wong Howe
500
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:32,978
on second unit camera
on a picture called Picnic
501
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:37,614
I did a number of the game shots
502
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:40,128
and also the last shot of the film,
503
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:41,818
which was a helicopter shot
504
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:44,055
And at that time,
505
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:47,251
helicopters were not used for photography
506
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,895
The military, and the navy as a matter of fact,
just had helicopters
507
00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:53,738
One of the best moments of my life
508
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:56,852
was when the dailies came on,
509
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,698
which was about three days later
510
00:34:59,740 --> 00:35:01,458
It was Cinemascope at the time
511
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,173
And I was sitting next to Jimmy Howe
512
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:07,011
And my scene came up,
513
00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:09,692
and it was quite spectacular,
514
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:13,733
particularly to an audience
who had not seen helicopter shots before
515
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:16,578
And Jimmy Howe said, "Very good, very good."
516
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:18,258
And so, even now, when I shoot,
517
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,770
when I do a shot that I really like,
518
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:28,168
I say in my ear the way Jimmy Howe said to me,
"Very good, very good."
519
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:29,892
(Laughter)
520
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:31,612
No, leave room for the cake!
521
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:36,329
The anamorphic aspect ratio
was extremely horizontal
522
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:38,018
and rectangular
523
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:43,373
And films up until that time
had been composed in almost a square format
524
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:48,210
And now with this rather large
and sometimes empty anamorphic space,
525
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:52,253
it became confusing what to do
with the sides of the screen -
526
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:53,733
how much of it to use
527
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:58,170
And as you see more and more use
of Panavision and Cinemascope
528
00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:59,938
in the late '50s and early '60s,
529
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:01,618
you start to feel the breadth,
530
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:04,049
the width of the frame being exploited
531
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,409
in a very exciting way
532
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:09,736
So, really, when you get to films
like Lawrence of Arabia,
533
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:13,170
you have the same kind of excitement
and dynamic energy
534
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:15,176
inside this very wide frame,
535
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:18,496
that you had
in the more square screen of the '40s
536
00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:32,209
A lot of my generation had been
very impressed with films from Europe
537
00:36:32,260 --> 00:36:34,330
We'd had an opportunity to see these
538
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:39,249
And our pioneers, Haskell Wexler
and Conrad Hall and so on,
539
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,770
who were giving us examples
of reacting to the European style
540
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:46,051
and later on, when you got
Vilmos Zsigmond and Laszlo Kovacs
541
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:50,696
and people that were coming from
the European tradition and shooting films here,
542
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:53,129
we got an appreciation of a style
543
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:57,537
that was so different
from that practised in the studios
544
00:36:57,580 --> 00:37:01,095
I think the films of the French New Wave
really influenced me the most
545
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:04,894
They captured a sense of the life,
which was really wonderful,
546
00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:08,216
by loosening up the camera and moving with it
547
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:09,773
They would not think anything
548
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:12,493
about picking up the camera and running with it
549
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,337
It had almost a documentary feel...
550
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:19,891
...and so that sort of quality about it
would draw you into the film
551
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:21,896
in a way that, I think,
552
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:24,170
a more static camera would not
553
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:25,892
Which is not to say it's new,
554
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:29,899
because you go back and you look
at Napoleon that Abel Gance made in 1926,
555
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:33,615
and it has every new idea you can conceive of,
556
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:35,298
even today,
557
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,979
with steadicams and everything else
558
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:41,092
He was swinging cameras from ropes
559
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:44,256
and inventing dollies and cranes
560
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,337
and doing all sorts of special effects
in the camera
561
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:52,135
Cinematographers
start studying new things in old things
562
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:53,818
to sort of invent a new way
563
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:57,531
I think that there was an evolution
564
00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:02,654
and I think if a lot of these guys
had been younger,
565
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:06,693
that they would have probably shown us
a lot of very interesting stuff
566
00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:08,378
I'll give a very good example
567
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:11,298
of what you're calling the "new style"
in the '60s
568
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:12,978
It's Robert Surtees
569
00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:15,692
I mean, he did...
570
00:38:15,740 --> 00:38:17,856
What's the wedding picture with...
571
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:19,697
with Dustin Hoffman?
572
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:21,731
- Elaine!
- (Glass rattles)
573
00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:24,532
The Graduate
574
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,696
I remember reading all these reviews
575
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:29,971
They're going, "Fresh, innovative,
exciting cinematography...
576
00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:32,090
...Blah, blah, blah!"
577
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:34,256
Photographed by a 65-year-old man!
578
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,609
Because you have new tools,
579
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:41,096
the kind of person who is a cinematographer
580
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:42,778
is always pushing
581
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:45,732
You always want to explore,
to get yourself into trouble
582
00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:47,850
and see how well you can fight your way out
583
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:59,252
I don't think that each cinematographer
can work with each director
584
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:02,417
There is a kind of selection
you do in where you're going
585
00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:05,133
There is a kind of journey
that you are doing by yourself
586
00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:11,048
You suddenly discover that on the same
direction you can meet other people
587
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,809
You can meet friends. They can do this journey
588
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:16,930
You can meet people that can be your guide
589
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:19,210
for a portion of this journey
590
00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:22,650
I think Bernado was one of those,
one of the most important
591
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:27,739
Before we started The Conformist,
Bernado called me
592
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:32,096
We started to talk about The Conformist
and he says, "Vittorio,
593
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:34,096
what we know about that period,
594
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:38,930
mainly we know that period, the late '30s,
through cinema."
595
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:40,618
So probably we have to use
596
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:45,415
everything that's been given to cinema
up to now, to that period,
597
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:49,169
and read from our point of view
598
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:55,376
(She laughs)
599
00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:07,288
We look at that moment at one of the
great masters in the American film industry
600
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:13,059
From Bernardo's point of view,
it was Orson Welles
601
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:14,852
From mine, it was Gregg Toland
602
00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:32,258
Each cinematographer,
they did everything before my time
603
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:34,939
so I am the sum of the whole experience
604
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:36,652
(Latin rhythms on radio)
605
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:45,092
JOHN BAILEY: The Conformist is almost
a compendium of all of cinema language
606
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:49,099
It incorporates almost all the design,
607
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:50,812
photographic,
608
00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:52,691
editorial...
609
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:54,856
techniques that have been developed
610
00:40:54,900 --> 00:41:00,293
And does so in a very coherent and clear way
611
00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:06,892
The shift of so-called styles and techniques
in cinematography,
612
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:10,249
that happened right around the period of...
613
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,609
Connie Hall, Haskell Wexler,
614
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:15,254
Vilmos Zsigmond, Laszlo Kovacs, myself,
615
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:16,938
Gordon Willis,
616
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:19,938
it came about because of the directors
617
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:22,619
You started having new directors
618
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:26,016
who didn't want to work in the studio system
619
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:28,574
They wanted to go shoot pictures on location
620
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:30,292
# JIMI HENDRIX: If Six Was Nine
621
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:38,649
Everything was very exciting and very crazy
in those days
622
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,816
because we had to make those films very fast
623
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:43,328
There was no time for it,
there was no money for it
624
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:47,531
The difference was with Easy Rider,
625
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:50,572
that we were able to really prepare
that production
626
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:57,378
We took a trip from Los Angeles
to New Orleans and scouted a lot of places
627
00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:04,537
And suddenly you're exposed
to this incredible, incredible vast country,
628
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:11,975
which has such a wonderful transition
from one area to another,
629
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:15,376
and the visual sequence was wonderful
630
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:20,574
And that's how I learned
and got to know the country
631
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:26,018
And that's magical...
632
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:30,689
...to really break down
the country and all civilisation
633
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:33,459
to these pictorial elements
634
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:38,210
We were into images a little differently
than the old system
635
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:40,330
The lighting was a little different
636
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:42,416
We would try things and specially...
637
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:44,735
I worked with Connie Hall for five years
638
00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:48,409
I was his camera operator for five years
and we did some great things, I think
639
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:53,650
I feel particularly involved
in helping make mistakes acceptable
640
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:58,057
to studio heads and other people
641
00:42:58,100 --> 00:42:59,897
And the audience even
642
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:01,612
By using them
643
00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:03,298
By blatantly,
644
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:06,059
not by mistakes or anything, but by endeavour
645
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:11,576
If the light shone in the lens,
and flared the lens,
646
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:14,373
that was considered a mistake
647
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:16,058
Somebody would report that
648
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:21,015
The operator would report,
"The sun hit the lens, it flared the lens. Cut!"
649
00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:22,812
There was never a fear
650
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:26,819
Conrad would use so little light
that you'd barely see anything in a room
651
00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:28,498
But you'd see it
652
00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:30,212
There was nothing safe
653
00:43:30,260 --> 00:43:32,057
Safe was never the word
with him
654
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:36,378
Getting things too dark or not seeing eyes
and things like that
655
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:40,129
CONRAD HALL: Background too hot,
windows blown and things like that
656
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:44,651
that nobody would dare do
without getting fired in the slick old days
657
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:46,611
(Shouting)
658
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,773
WILLIAM FRAKER:
The second picture I did with Connie
659
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:55,129
was a picture called The Professionals
660
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:57,171
Connie Hall was the cameraman
661
00:43:57,220 --> 00:44:00,690
I was the camera operator
662
00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:04,176
Jordan Cronenweth
was the assistant cameraman
663
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:09,294
And the second camera crew was
Charles Rosher Junior, and Robert Byrne
664
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:13,572
I like the work that we did on that
665
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:16,293
Unfortunately, there was an awful lot of night
666
00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:22,449
And night is always a conundrum
in photography. Day for night, I mean
667
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,491
Connie was so good at this,
668
00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:28,328
that we shot night
of them escaping from Raza's compound
669
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:33,736
And then they jump in a coal cart and take off
during the night
670
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:38,217
And then they make the jump
and that was shot at the last part of day
671
00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:39,932
and brought down
672
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:46,977
Connie was innovative and very daring...
but always extremely solid
673
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:49,375
He's got, I think, exquisite taste
674
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:55,579
And he can make that balance
between black and white, colour, day, night
675
00:44:56,620 --> 00:45:01,136
And he just looks at it and he just has
that innate ability to do that
676
00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:02,693
I think it's a gift
677
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:10,414
(Tyres screech)
678
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:17,572
You're unlucky, bastard!
679
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:22,738
HALL: I don't think there was a choice
about shooting it in colour or black and white
680
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:26,295
There were still 112 pictures
being made in black and white that year
681
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:27,978
That was an easy choice
682
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:30,295
Doing it widescreen was a harder choice
683
00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:33,979
- Hop in, boys. Where are you going?
- Come on. Get in
684
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:39,811
And we felt that it might be a really wonderful
proscenium to present this material in
685
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:42,492
He was in a fever
686
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:47,216
The scene where Robert Blake
is about to be hanged
687
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:49,137
and he's talking to the chaplain
688
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:51,455
It was shot on the stage
689
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:56,415
We had a rain gutter over the top
690
00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:59,611
It was like coming down.
And we had a fan off to the side
691
00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:04,415
which wasn't blowing the rain
against the window
692
00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:10,933
but was blowing the spray from the rain
against the window
693
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:16,452
The light hitting his face with this phenomenon
happening on the windows,
694
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:22,018
happened to hit his face one time
when I was looking
695
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:27,418
So I went to Richard and I said,
"Richard, watch this on his face now."
696
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:30,098
And we did another rehearsal
697
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:34,213
And you can see the water running down
and it drips around
698
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:37,172
and he's talking about his father
and it's very sad
699
00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:38,858
He's going to be hanged
700
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:41,255
But he's playing it very straight
701
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:43,972
Unemotional
702
00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:46,488
And the visuals were crying for him
703
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:48,212
I hate him
704
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:52,772
And I love him
705
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:59,089
I've had so many cinematographers call me
and ask me how I did that shot
706
00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:01,017
Well, I didn't conceive it at all
707
00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:03,858
Richard didn't conceive it. Nobody conceived it
708
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:06,698
It was purely a visual accident
709
00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:10,574
I think I was more afraid that I couldn't do it
the Hollywood way
710
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:14,056
than I was arrogant or convinced
711
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:18,412
that my way would be a cinematic advance
712
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:20,132
So I was trying to...
713
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,132
I was trying to wed the two
714
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:24,852
So, anyway, I married the SOB
715
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:26,538
I had it all planned out
716
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:28,616
First he'd take over the History Department
717
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:31,379
Then when Daddy retired,
he 'd take over the whole college
718
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:33,570
That was the way it was supposed to be
719
00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:35,292
Getting angry, baby, huh?
720
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:37,058
What I knew was documentaries
721
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:39,614
What I knew was the simple way
722
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:42,220
What I knew is hand-holding
723
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:45,491
What I knew was how to light realistically
724
00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:47,770
Because most of the time in documentaries,
725
00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:49,538
you work with realistic light
726
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:52,650
The atmosphere was really different
727
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,930
And I was considered a kid
728
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:59,178
although I was in my 30s, I guess
729
00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:01,097
No, sir, this is not normal at all
730
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:03,813
This is the truth. This really happened
731
00:48:03,860 --> 00:48:09,412
I did help somewhat
in my knowledge of film cutting
732
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:15,456
I did help somewhat
in my knowledge of how a camera could move
733
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:19,413
And that also came from
my documentary background
734
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:22,338
I read in Richard Burton's autobiography
735
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:26,259
that he was against me
being the cameraman on Virginia Woolf
736
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:32,330
because he was afraid that
with my gutsy, newsreel-type background
737
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:36,498
that I would show the pockmarks on his face
and would be unkind to him
738
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,019
And that...
739
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:44,056
Elizabeth took my side
and ultimately he was pleased with the results
740
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:49,059
# Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?
Virginia Woolf? Virginia Woolf?
741
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:54,339
Some scenes came back
when we were shooting in New England,
742
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:58,612
which somebody at the lab felt was too dark,
743
00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:00,730
and there was talk of firing me
744
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:04,056
A lot of this I found out later, fortunately
745
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:05,818
Then I told them I planned that
746
00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:10,136
I wanted degrees of darkness
and degrees of fill light,
747
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:12,489
so that when the early morning light came,
748
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:16,010
we would have some subliminal sense
of a change in time
749
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:21,259
But there was a lot of heat on that film
750
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:30,339
I do not think that movies
should be made because of the dialogue
751
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,291
I think it should have a good story
752
00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:35,650
The important thing has to be
how it is told visually
753
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,419
And dialogue should be like music in a film
754
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:44,298
You Joel McCabe?
755
00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:46,012
Yeah
756
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:48,654
Mrs Miller. I've come to see you
757
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:56,415
McCabe and Mrs Miller was an excellent
example of being a partner with the director
758
00:49:57,460 --> 00:50:00,736
Altman wanted to have
a special look for this movie
759
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:04,455
He didn't really know
exactly what he was looking for
760
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:07,968
And then when he started to talk about it,
761
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:11,330
he said that he had something in his mind
like old pictures,
762
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:13,894
old, faded colour photographs
763
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:16,977
I doubt if he knew what he was talking about
764
00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:20,854
And I immediately started
to experiment with flashing
765
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:24,654
And I told him about flashing
and how we can desaturate the colours
766
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:27,260
and how he can achieve the faded look
767
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:31,738
Flashing is basically...
768
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:34,691
It's almost like fogging the film
769
00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:38,652
Like putting a layer of fog over the negative
770
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:42,215
So, what happens is the blacks
are not going to be really black
771
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:44,091
It's going to be a sort of greyish
772
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:46,131
Because the blacks are not as black,
773
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:49,013
you see sort of into the shadow areas more
774
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:52,291
It also has another effect.
It desaturates the colours
775
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:56,730
Tell me, any news from down there?
It's been a while since...
776
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:59,089
How many men are there round here?
777
00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:02,532
This here's an interesting town
778
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:08,132
I, myself, got a little bit tired of this faded look
and I started to tell him
779
00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:13,538
that maybe we should not do the whole picture
this way, maybe we should have variation,
780
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:17,539
and he said, "Absolutely not.
We are not going to compromise
781
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:21,255
I'm behind you, I will defend you
against everybody in the world
782
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,609
if they come and complain about this look."
783
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:28,254
And, of course, the studio
complained about the look very much
784
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:37,412
Motion pictures were breaking away
from the Hollywood system
785
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:43,452
And you had the influence of the East Coast
786
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:46,298
You had the influence
of the foreign markets now
787
00:51:46,340 --> 00:51:48,729
And you had directors like Roman Polanski
788
00:51:56,620 --> 00:51:58,292
What have you done to it?
789
00:51:58,340 --> 00:52:00,979
WILLIAM FRAKER:
Roman had a magnificent background -
790
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:02,976
he went to the Polish Film School -
791
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:06,330
and he had a magnificent background
in photography
792
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:08,769
He understood photography.
He understood images
793
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:11,254
And also with people
794
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:13,894
And emotions. He was tied with emotions
795
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:16,932
I won't let you go to no Doctor Hill
nobody ever heard of
796
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:21,371
The best is what you're gonna have,
young lady. Where's your telephone, huh?
797
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:23,058
It's in the bedroom
798
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:25,011
There's a shot in Rosemary's Baby
799
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:27,051
She says, "Where's the telephone?"
800
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:28,818
And Mia says, "ln the bedroom."
801
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:31,932
And Ruth says, "Oh, good." And she exits
802
00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:36,451
Roman says, "Billy, give me a POV of Ruth."
803
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,172
I got 'em framed perfectly
804
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:40,017
You see her on the phone talking
805
00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:41,937
I said, "OK, Roman, we're ready."
806
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:43,777
He comes over and looks and says,
807
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:45,731
"No, Billy, no. Move, move, move."
808
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:47,418
Kindly move
809
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:56,491
And I looked through and I see just
the back of Ruth Gordon seated on the bed
810
00:52:56,540 --> 00:52:58,735
And you can't see her face
or see the telephone
811
00:52:58,780 --> 00:53:01,738
I said, "But you can't see her."
He says, "Exactly."
812
00:53:01,780 --> 00:53:03,577
I said, "Oh, OK."
813
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:08,535
So, now, we go to the theatre
and 800 people in the theatre all go...
814
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:13,497
To see around the doorjamb
815
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:15,178
That's Roman Polanski
816
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:25,816
New York had a style all its own
and I call it a street style
817
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:27,532
It was something...
818
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:30,174
Because they didn't have the shops,
the labs,
819
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:33,370
the equipment that we had in Hollywood
820
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:35,172
And it developed its own styles
821
00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:37,131
They didn't believe in diffusion
822
00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:40,297
They didn't believe in
what they would do in Hollywood,
823
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:42,854
when you have to shoot
a major motion picture star
824
00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:51,929
It was a situation in which, for reasons of style
and money and time,
825
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:54,335
they went into the streets
and shot in real places
826
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:57,099
And that probably is the beginning
827
00:53:57,140 --> 00:54:00,735
of what is used in our time,
as that sort of New York look
828
00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:05,097
WILLIAM FRAKER: Billy Daniels shot a picture
called The Naked City
829
00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:11,534
At that time, there was a bunch of new lights
that had come up called fay lights
830
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:15,209
That's how we lit everything -
no arcs or anything else like that -
831
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:18,013
and he shot the whole picture
what I call a New York style
832
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:21,052
(Gunfire)
833
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:25,377
Aaargh!
834
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:32,214
Naked City, he went right into
their own back yard
835
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:35,093
and did exactly what they did, and did it
836
00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:37,529
And then you copy those styles
837
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:40,218
How do you...?
838
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:45,618
How do you do better than On the Waterfront?
You don't
839
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:51,417
You believe that you were there.
You were part of that cold climate
840
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:53,178
You were part of the cold world
841
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:55,051
You were part of that whole thing
842
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:56,772
It had great blacks in it, too
843
00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:58,776
People don't recognise the blacks
844
00:54:58,820 --> 00:55:02,495
All the exterior stuff and the night stuff
had great, rich blacks
845
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:04,212
Look out for the truck!
846
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:27,892
When we shot in New York,
we had to improvise
847
00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:32,456
Everything was done with something at hand,
something you might find in the street,
848
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:34,218
and the shooting is rough and tough
849
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:36,296
We moved in the streets all the time
850
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:40,777
I'm walking here!
I'm walking here! Up yours!
851
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:44,449
Dirty and gritty would be my description of it
852
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,288
And it's evidence...
pictures like Midnight Cowboy.
853
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:52,128
Actually, that ain't a bad way
to pick up insurance, you know
854
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:54,818
(Cheering)
855
00:55:56,660 --> 00:56:01,051
I always say that Dog Day Afternoon
was shot with energy
856
00:56:02,420 --> 00:56:07,175
Every scene has energy
from every point of view
857
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:09,176
From the actors
858
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:12,212
From the camera and its movement
859
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:17,892
Once we began to shoot,
860
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:21,489
there was no question, but that it had to have
a semi-documentary look
861
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:24,618
It had to be real
862
00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:27,413
That the audience was to believe that this was...
863
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:30,854
...this was not a story
864
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,368
that had happened before
that was being filmed
865
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:35,934
This is a story that's happening right now
866
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:38,096
And I think we succeeded in doing that
867
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:53,811
I met Marty
868
00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:57,380
He was interviewing cameramen and we talked
869
00:56:57,420 --> 00:56:59,138
And I had the advantage...
870
00:56:59,180 --> 00:57:02,377
I think it had to be a union film
and it had to be in New York,
871
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:04,854
and it was quite a low-budget movie,
Taxi Driver
872
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:08,893
I had an advantage in that I really had looked at
a lot of Godard and European stuff,
873
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:11,215
so we could begin to talk the same language
874
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:15,492
And both of us happen to talk very fast,
so we could talk the same language rapidly
875
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:21,297
We shot it really quite economically
876
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:23,012
We didn't cover...
877
00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:25,733
Marty knew not to cover certain things,
878
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:29,853
to make a shot which we knew was powerful
enough to say everything we wanted to say
879
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:31,538
Some dolly shot, something
880
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:36,018
Rather more of it than you think
was in the script
881
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:39,370
Schrader's script was extraordinarily visual
when you came to shoot it
882
00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:43,971
There's a lot in there, in Schrader's script,
that helps you to figure out what to look at
883
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:47,330
The big overhead stuff and things at the end
884
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:50,656
are at least variations
on things that were in the script
885
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:56,529
Several people who, for whatever reason,
886
00:57:56,580 --> 00:58:01,574
had some set of emotions about New York
that they wanted to unload,
887
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:03,292
happened to come together
888
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:07,138
I think that's the simplest and fairest way
to say it
889
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:18,372
(Persistent car horn)
890
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:25,778
I got The French Connection
891
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:29,938
Billy Friedkin was looking for somebody
to shoot The French Connection,
892
00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:34,178
and they said what we've seen you do
is all high-key, fashiony-type stuff
893
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:36,450
between commercials and this feature
894
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:40,413
But this has to be a very gritty,
New York, street-type picture
895
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:42,132
Do you think you can do that?
896
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:45,809
My answer to 'em was,
"Well, I'm a cinematographer
897
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:48,533
I should be able to do
anything you want me to do."
898
00:58:48,580 --> 00:58:50,571
And so I shot The French Connection
899
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:54,977
and after that came out, I was labelled
as a gritty, New York, street photographer
900
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:57,659
(Tyres squeal)
901
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:01,252
You're driving a tad rapidly
902
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:03,370
Don't worry. I'm a very good driver
903
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:10,893
I don't think starting a career or pursuing
a career in Hollywood on the West Coast
904
00:59:10,940 --> 00:59:13,010
would have permitted me to pursue...
905
00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:19,088
...visual styles that I've pursued
over a period of time living on the East Coast
906
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:20,858
It's just a different...
907
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:23,538
...world
908
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:26,413
It was a different film-making world
for a long, long time
909
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:28,132
You're exceptional in bed,
910
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:31,377
because you get pleasure in every part
ofyour body when I touch it
911
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:35,208
Like the tip of your nose
and if I stroke your teeth or your kneecaps...
912
00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:39,094
I assign the big break in
American cinematography to Gordon Willis
913
00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:43,497
In that, I think, modern American
cinematography comes out of him very much
914
00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:46,179
I just simply pictured things a different way
915
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:52,534
And in some cases it caused
a ruckus now and then
916
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:56,812
Because it's like saying, "We can't do that,
because that's never been done before."
917
00:59:57,860 --> 01:00:01,296
I never did it in that spirit.
I just simply did it because I liked it
918
01:00:01,340 --> 01:00:05,219
I want reliable people,
people that aren't going to be carried away
919
01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:06,932
I mean, we're not murderers
920
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:10,052
His imprint on the film was indelible
when Godfather came out
921
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:14,890
I mean, that was a job of cinematography
that everybody couldn't help but notice
922
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,738
Bonasera
923
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:20,452
Bonasera,
924
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:24,573
what have I ever done
to make you treat me so disrespectfully?
925
01:00:26,060 --> 01:00:29,132
GORDON WILLIS: A lot of things that I do
with overhead lighting,
926
01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:31,375
or a lot of things with that form of lighting,
927
01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:36,494
actually came out of a necessity to deal with
Marlon Brando in a given kind of make-up
928
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:41,739
It was an example of designing something
to make one person work
929
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:45,170
and it was extended
throughout the rest of the movie
930
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:49,532
I got a lot of criticism, because they said,
"Well, you can't see Brando's eyes."
931
01:00:49,580 --> 01:00:53,016
There were times in some of his scenes
932
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:57,053
where I deliberately
did not want to see his eyes
933
01:00:57,100 --> 01:01:00,979
So that you saw this mysterious human being
934
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:03,932
thinking about something
or about to do something,
935
01:01:03,980 --> 01:01:06,858
but you didn't really know
what the hell was going on
936
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:08,458
Gordon, the Prince of Darkness
937
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:14,609
I haven't... examined underexposing a lot,
because I'm terrified of it
938
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:19,656
But with people like Gordon
who know just how much to do it,
939
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:21,418
and all that kind of thing,
940
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:25,009
he has made an art of underexposure
941
01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:28,491
I may have gone too far a couple of times
942
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:32,896
I think there was a scene
between Al and his mother,
943
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:37,135
who was played by Morgana King in Part II
944
01:01:38,180 --> 01:01:39,818
I did one scene, I went too far
945
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:45,456
I think Rembrandt went too far
a couple of times!
946
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:47,138
It wasn't...
947
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:48,818
the fact that it was so dark
948
01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:53,570
It was the fact that the studio said,
"How are we gonna show this at the drive-ins?"
949
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:55,338
That's the old attitude
950
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:57,052
You gotta put light in there
951
01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:00,615
You gotta see the people,
because of the drive-ins
952
01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:04,619
Well, the drive-ins were going out at that time,
so that didn't mean much to us
953
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:06,457
We're going to Jersey?
954
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:12,893
When I shot Godfather I,
my decision to use yellow in the movie...
955
01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:15,454
The movie was very yellow
956
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:19,334
Yellow-red.
It bordered on this kind of brassy feeling
957
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:23,692
The reasons for that were
because I just thought it was right
958
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,652
But yellow broke out
in the motion picture business
959
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,612
related to period movies
for a long time after that
960
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:35,051
It's not one thing that you do
961
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:38,058
from a visual point of view
that makes anything work
962
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:42,813
The art direction has to be right
963
01:02:43,860 --> 01:02:45,532
The wardrobe has to be right
964
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:47,491
The shot structure has to be right
965
01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:51,499
And the lighting has to accommodate
whatever it is you're introducing
966
01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:53,895
related to filtering, et cetera
967
01:02:53,940 --> 01:02:57,330
So, you can't just do one thing
968
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:07,573
WILLIAM FRAKER:
There's no mistaking Gordy Willis' work
969
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:13,057
The magnificent thing that was done
was the fact that he came back to it after...
970
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:14,613
several years...
971
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:17,299
and came right in,
and you could put the three together
972
01:03:17,340 --> 01:03:21,128
It's almost like, my gosh,
they never stopped making the picture
973
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:23,819
Which is, I think, a tribute
974
01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:44,098
JOHN ALONZO: All cameramen throughout
the history of movies have taken risks
975
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:47,608
My current crop of cameramen
probably took more risks
976
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:51,733
only because we had better toys to play with
977
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:55,216
We had better lenses.
They were sharper and crisper
978
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:58,013
We could put a camera
where nobody had ever put one
979
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:00,692
Sorry
980
01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:04,938
We shot a scene in Chinatown
with a hand-held Pentaflex inside a bathroom
981
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:06,618
In the old days, prior to that,
982
01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:10,414
it would have been a bathroom on a stage
with the walls moving out
983
01:04:10,460 --> 01:04:12,132
and you're stuck
984
01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:17,174
But here, Polanski got a very intimate,
spontaneous behaviour from the actors
985
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:19,939
because the camera
was right in there with them
986
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:21,732
What about it, what?
987
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:25,453
There's something black
in the green part of your eye
988
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:28,172
Oh, that
989
01:04:28,220 --> 01:04:29,858
It's a...
990
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:31,572
It's a flaw...
991
01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:33,258
in the iris
992
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:37,771
That was a risk, a risk lightingwise,
to light something like that as if you're saying,
993
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:41,779
"Here's a major motion picture
and I'm lighting it like a documentary."
994
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,373
They'd gotten the idea to do Chinatown
in anamorphic
995
01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:55,058
in the 235 aspect ratio
996
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:56,738
But Roman said to me,
997
01:04:56,780 --> 01:05:01,137
"I want to use modern-day technology
to shoot a film about the past,
998
01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:04,297
as it would look like
through my twentieth-century window,
999
01:05:04,340 --> 01:05:06,774
I want to see what it looked like back then."
1000
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:11,017
It meant that we shot
a close-up of Faye Dunaway this size
1001
01:05:11,060 --> 01:05:13,972
The lens was no more
than two-and-a-half feet away,
1002
01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:15,692
which was very intimidating
1003
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:21,609
But Roman used that as a directing technique,
to intimidate the character of Evelyn Mulwray
1004
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:25,532
My talent was to light her
as beautifully as possible
1005
01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:28,970
So I walked around a lot of times
with a hand-held key-light
1006
01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:33,059
If she moved this way, I'd move the light.
Roman loved that sort of thing
1007
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:37,298
because he came from the Polish school
where they had to do things that way
1008
01:05:37,340 --> 01:05:41,049
And forcing me to do a hand-held shot,
when I didn't agree with him
1009
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:44,297
I said, "It's going to be distracting."
But he was right
1010
01:05:45,340 --> 01:05:49,049
We would do things like force Jack Nicholson
to hit a certain mark,
1011
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:52,615
and have the camera just behind his ear,
and format it that way
1012
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:54,457
You'd force him to hit that mark
1013
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:57,776
If he wouldn't hit that mark,
we'd do the scene over again
1014
01:05:57,820 --> 01:06:00,573
Because he wanted
that voyeuristic kind of look
1015
01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:06,172
His mind
was 24 hours a day at 78 rpm, thinking
1016
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:08,814
Hello, Claude. Where'd you get the midget?
1017
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:15,209
Not on how to make things complicated,
but how to make things better
1018
01:06:20,420 --> 01:06:25,619
When we undertook shooting Jaws,
we were sitting on the lot at Universal,
1019
01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:29,532
3,000 miles from where
we intended to shoot the picture,
1020
01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:35,052
trying to decide what kind of equipment to take,
how we would go about it
1021
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,819
Watch him now! Starboard! Starboard!
1022
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:43,257
Spielberg said,
"I want to nail this down on a tripod -
1023
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:45,768
I don't want it wandering all over the place."
1024
01:06:46,820 --> 01:06:50,256
I said, "Steven, that is not the way
to make a sea picture,
1025
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:53,417
because people will be throwing up
in the aisles if you do that...
1026
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:57,575
...so, I think I will try to hand-hold the picture."
1027
01:06:59,180 --> 01:07:02,331
And he couldn't believe
that I really intended to do that
1028
01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:04,018
On Jaws,
1029
01:07:04,060 --> 01:07:07,939
somewhere in one of those endless interviews
that he gives, Steve says...
1030
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,811
It was a joke we used to have on the set -
1031
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:13,136
that it was the most expensive
hand-held movie ever made
1032
01:07:13,180 --> 01:07:15,535
On the ocean, almost all of it is hand-held,
1033
01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:18,538
because they didn't have
steadicams in those days
1034
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:29,899
It was a great piece,
a very fine piece of operating, if you look at it
1035
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:32,738
If you think it was all hand-held
and how we did it
1036
01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:34,452
I'm quite proud of it
1037
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:37,776
It was like being the MVP
or winning the Triple Crown
1038
01:07:37,820 --> 01:07:40,175
Baseball metaphors come easily to operating
1039
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:47,217
We kept the camera at water level
whenever we could
1040
01:07:47,260 --> 01:07:50,332
and it isn't something
that you will see immediately,
1041
01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:56,057
but after a while you begin to feel that
that shark is maybe just under that water
1042
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,332
And by keeping the camera down
close to that water, we built into the picture
1043
01:08:00,380 --> 01:08:05,135
a kind of atmosphere or feeling
that we wouldn't have gotten any other way
1044
01:08:05,180 --> 01:08:06,852
(Screaming)
1045
01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:20,730
I noticed that almost in every country,
cinematographers come from another country
1046
01:08:23,140 --> 01:08:26,450
There is an attraction to the exoticism
1047
01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:31,732
A foreigner, whether he's from Europe
or from any place,
1048
01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:34,658
has a fresh eye to look at another country
1049
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:40,332
And perhaps he distinguishes, he sees better
what's interesting about another country
1050
01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:44,168
I really liked staying with you.
You were so much fun. I love you, OK
1051
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:47,895
I want you to be really good.
I don't want you to do anything wrong
1052
01:08:47,940 --> 01:08:52,297
If you do, I'll come back and get you.
All right? I love you
1053
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:03,012
He told me it would be a very visual movie
1054
01:09:03,060 --> 01:09:05,449
He said that. The film will be a visual film
1055
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:08,458
The story will be told through visuals
1056
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:15,615
Very few people
really want to give that priority to the image
1057
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:20,814
Usually, directors give the priority to the actors
and to the story
1058
01:09:20,860 --> 01:09:23,579
But here the story was told really
through images
1059
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:26,418
Hey!
1060
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:29,778
In the period movies,
1061
01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:32,015
there was no electricity -
1062
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:35,449
at least before electricity was invented -
1063
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:38,253
and in consequence there was less light
1064
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:40,939
Period movies should have less light
1065
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:45,576
And I think a period movie,
the light has to come from the windows
1066
01:09:45,620 --> 01:09:48,578
That's how people lived
1067
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:55,337
"Magic hour" is a euphemism,
because it's not an hour
1068
01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:58,338
It's about 20 or 25 minutes at the most
1069
01:09:58,380 --> 01:10:00,848
It is the moment when the sun sets
1070
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:04,051
And after the sun sets, before it is night,
1071
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:06,738
the skies have light
1072
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:09,135
But there is no actual sun
1073
01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:13,458
and the light is very, very soft
1074
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:16,809
and there's something, as you say, magic
1075
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:18,851
It limited us to 20 useful minutes a day
1076
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:21,538
But it did pay on the screen
1077
01:10:21,580 --> 01:10:25,334
It gave some kind of magic look to it,
a beauty of it, a romanticism
1078
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:30,010
Something that colour could do
much better than black and white
1079
01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:34,530
At the time of Days of Heaven,
which was 1976,
1080
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:36,218
when we shot the movie -
1081
01:10:36,260 --> 01:10:37,932
the film came out in '78 or '79,
1082
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:39,618
but we shot it in '76 -
1083
01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:42,413
film was not as sensitive as it is today
1084
01:10:42,460 --> 01:10:47,693
Today you can actually shoot with
a kerosene lamp with actually kerosene flame
1085
01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:54,179
But at the time, we had to put
an electric bulb inside those lights
1086
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:59,453
But the important thing is that, actually,
the light was coming from the lamps
1087
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:01,934
That was what I think was modern
1088
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:05,575
Because you see any other movie
of the old times
1089
01:11:05,620 --> 01:11:09,499
like, for instance, a marvellous movie
like Sunrise, a silent movie,
1090
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:14,614
and the scene when they are looking
for the girl in the lake, supposedly drowned
1091
01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:19,529
And they go with lamps and those lamps,
they give no light. They're just props
1092
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:23,175
They're props and the audience
has to believe they give light
1093
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:25,973
But they were just very weak
1094
01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:34,055
On Days of Heaven, I had the privilege
of seeing footage that Nestor shot in the lab
1095
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:37,649
Because Nestor knew he had to leave
to go with Truffaut
1096
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:41,329
And so, when Terry Malick
called me up and said,
1097
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:45,532
"We want you to come up here
and do this picture, Nestor has to go,"
1098
01:11:45,580 --> 01:11:48,014
I was dying to go
1099
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:53,212
I did some hand-held shots with the Pentaflex
in Days of Heaven
1100
01:11:54,780 --> 01:12:00,855
The opening of the film in the steel mill,
I did... personally hand-held with the Pentaflex
1101
01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:03,538
I used some diffusion
1102
01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:07,175
Nestor didn't use any diffusion on it
1103
01:12:07,220 --> 01:12:08,892
The moment I see a movie that...
1104
01:12:08,940 --> 01:12:12,296
I start seeing a movie that has a fog filter,
1105
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:15,935
I usually stay ten minutes, then I leave
I think that's enough
1106
01:12:15,980 --> 01:12:18,938
I hate that kind of thing, because it's so easy
1107
01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:22,177
I felt very guilty about using the diffusion
1108
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:24,654
And it wasn't that heavy diffusion,
1109
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:31,731
but I remember having that feeling
of sort of violating a fellow cameraman
1110
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:37,456
But now Nestor knows I'm on film or tape
1111
01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:39,813
(Bell)
1112
01:12:39,860 --> 01:12:41,532
(Crowd murmur)
1113
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:47,739
After ten rounds,
1114
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:51,853
Judge Rossi, eight to two, La Motta
1115
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:53,253
(Cheering)
1116
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:56,656
Judge Murphy, seven to three, La Motta
1117
01:12:56,700 --> 01:13:03,333
CHAPMAN: If you look at Raging Bull, I based it
very specifically on Life Magazine photographs,
1118
01:13:03,380 --> 01:13:07,373
big still photos of the '40s
1119
01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:11,129
That's what people of my generation
and Marty's,
1120
01:13:11,180 --> 01:13:13,614
though he's younger, remember fights as
1121
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:16,936
They remember them as big flash photos
in Life Magazine
1122
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:22,330
We were really showing off
1123
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:25,099
We panned 360 this way
when he went that way
1124
01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:28,052
We started at 24 frames,
and then we went to 48 frames
1125
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:29,931
and then back to 24 frames
1126
01:13:30,980 --> 01:13:33,096
Jake knocks somebody out in 24 frames,
1127
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:37,531
and then he walks over to a neutral corner.
And 48 frames, all in the same shot
1128
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,218
We made a kind of rule
1129
01:13:39,260 --> 01:13:42,252
that when we were actually fighting,
we would try...
1130
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:44,939
In the actual fights, we'd try to do it 24 frames
1131
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:46,732
Although we tried to cheat it
1132
01:13:46,780 --> 01:13:50,250
and it got really operatic towards the end
with Sugar Ray Robinson
1133
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:54,213
But, in general, we tried to make
the actual fight time be in 24 frames
1134
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:55,932
And...
1135
01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:58,210
save the overcrank,
1136
01:13:58,260 --> 01:14:01,536
the really overcranked stuff
for when he's in the corner,
1137
01:14:01,580 --> 01:14:05,698
or in this case, for when he is not actually
fighting, but breathing against the ropes
1138
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:09,699
When he goes back into
the real time of fighting, we go back to 24
1139
01:14:16,180 --> 01:14:17,818
We had about...
1140
01:14:17,860 --> 01:14:19,851
God, I don't know, dozens of fights
1141
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:22,209
And we had a different style for each one
1142
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:23,932
And one was all going to be...
1143
01:14:23,980 --> 01:14:25,618
One was all going to be...
1144
01:14:25,660 --> 01:14:27,412
like this and like this
1145
01:14:27,460 --> 01:14:29,178
With a fairly long lens
1146
01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:33,418
One was going to be all following him around.
One was going to be steadicam
1147
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:36,572
He started in the dressing room
1148
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:39,009
He walks all the way. We lit the whole thing
1149
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:42,575
And he stands on a big crane
and the crane lifts him up in the air
1150
01:14:42,620 --> 01:14:44,770
It was great fun. It was wonderful fun
1151
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:48,859
It was an example of that thing
that Marty can really do like no-one else
1152
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:52,609
Know what the emotional story-telling shot
is really going to be,
1153
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:55,458
and that you don't need to do anything
but this one shot
1154
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,776
And it's so good and so evocative,
it's so powerful emotionally
1155
01:14:58,820 --> 01:15:02,733
that it'll get you from A to B
without any coverage, without any worry
1156
01:15:19,420 --> 01:15:21,297
(Bell dings)
1157
01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:25,538
ANNOUNCER: For the Middleweight
Championship of the World, 15 rounds!
1158
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:29,289
Photography is a single art
1159
01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:30,978
Like painting
1160
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:32,692
Like writing. Like music
1161
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:35,573
Cinematography is a common art
1162
01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:37,292
I think it's...
1163
01:15:37,340 --> 01:15:41,253
It's not an art form that can be expressed
by one single person
1164
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:44,689
So, of course, there is the director,
1165
01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:50,895
which is like the main author
of the entire common expression,
1166
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:55,456
because even if several persons
express themself in the same art form,
1167
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:57,730
everybody can go in different directions
1168
01:15:57,780 --> 01:16:00,089
So, from the writer to the musician,
1169
01:16:00,140 --> 01:16:02,938
to the production design, to the costume design,
1170
01:16:02,980 --> 01:16:05,096
to the cinematographer, to the editor,
1171
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:06,937
someone should be responsible
1172
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:10,256
Just go by like you're fighting!
Don't look at the camera!
1173
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:11,938
Just go through! Go through!
1174
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:17,968
Apocalypse Now was really a closing chapter
1175
01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:19,692
Very specific
1176
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:21,776
Not only because it was the longest,
1177
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:23,492
it was the most far away,
1178
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:25,178
it was the most difficult,
1179
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:29,099
it was the most expensive,
it was the most dangerous movie ever done
1180
01:16:29,140 --> 01:16:31,700
But also it was probably the most emotional one
1181
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:39,339
Mainly the first section of my light
was merely dealing with light
1182
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:44,898
With all these possibilities the light has
to express itself
1183
01:16:46,140 --> 01:16:52,215
To show on screen
the incredible source of light,
1184
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:54,376
the great generator with lamps,
1185
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:57,139
into the jungle
1186
01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:02,974
Very sharp light, very soft light
1187
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:05,215
Very warm light, very cold light
1188
01:17:05,260 --> 01:17:07,251
Very artificial, very natural
1189
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:11,054
Both.
All the time, I was working with the opposite
1190
01:17:17,380 --> 01:17:21,134
Francis was shooting Apocalypse Now
in the Philippines
1191
01:17:21,180 --> 01:17:22,852
And he called me up
1192
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:26,290
and he wanted me to come over
and photograph the second unit
1193
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:31,733
Every time I went out, I tried to do it
in the spirit of the way that they would do it
1194
01:17:31,780 --> 01:17:34,135
That was always the utmost thing in my mind
1195
01:17:34,180 --> 01:17:38,139
And they were always great.
Vittorio would always egg me on
1196
01:17:38,180 --> 01:17:39,852
He was always very cute
1197
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:42,778
He'd go,
"Steve, we're stuck here with all this stuff
1198
01:17:42,820 --> 01:17:45,937
You can go out with this camera
and you can get all this great stuff
1199
01:17:45,980 --> 01:17:48,494
Do something wonderful. Give us some ideas."
1200
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:52,533
He gave me all this encouragement
to do whatever I wanted to do
1201
01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:59,816
And yet I felt very responsible that what I did
had to mesh seamlessly with what he did
1202
01:18:01,380 --> 01:18:03,052
VITTORIO STORARO: I understood...
1203
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:08,776
...how it could be important to travel,
to go into another country
1204
01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:10,492
To use another language
1205
01:18:10,540 --> 01:18:12,178
To use another industry
1206
01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:14,336
To interchange energy
1207
01:18:26,740 --> 01:18:28,571
There was one idea came to my mind
1208
01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:34,859
There was a possibility to make an analogy
between the life and light
1209
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,939
The journey that Pu Yi was doing into himself
1210
01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:43,336
could be represented with the different stage...
1211
01:18:43,380 --> 01:18:47,055
with the different stage of light.
Different colours
1212
01:18:49,740 --> 01:18:53,130
The first time, he was cutting his own vein,
1213
01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:56,172
and you see for the first time red
1214
01:18:56,220 --> 01:18:58,097
Red is the colour of the beginning
1215
01:18:58,140 --> 01:19:00,017
The colour when we're born
1216
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:01,698
He was borning
1217
01:19:01,740 --> 01:19:03,332
See the blood
1218
01:19:03,380 --> 01:19:06,099
He was, remember, being born as an emperor
1219
01:19:07,900 --> 01:19:13,452
We go into the scene when the people
with the torches are arriving to pick up him
1220
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:16,331
When we see orange in the picture,
1221
01:19:16,380 --> 01:19:19,258
it is the warm colour of the family
1222
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:22,495
It is the colour of the Forbidden City
1223
01:19:25,540 --> 01:19:32,571
I was using all the lights around the young
Pu Yi to get the feeling of family. Ofwarm
1224
01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:35,976
Of maternal embrace
1225
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:40,212
Yellow...
1226
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:42,296
is the colour of our identity
1227
01:19:42,340 --> 01:19:44,695
When we come conscious
1228
01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:46,970
Is the colour it represents the emperor
1229
01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:50,695
Is the colour that more leads the light
1230
01:19:50,740 --> 01:19:54,130
That more represents the sun itself
1231
01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:55,852
Hoi!
1232
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:57,538
Green...
1233
01:19:57,580 --> 01:19:59,298
is knowledge
1234
01:19:59,340 --> 01:20:02,491
We see green the first time
only when the tutor is coming
1235
01:20:02,540 --> 01:20:05,100
He brings a green bicycle
1236
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:08,450
It's the knowledge of something
1237
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:13,130
Up to that moment,
Pu Yi was living in the Forbidden City
1238
01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:16,455
It was kind of a forbidden colour for him
1239
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:20,652
He didn't know anything about
one section of the colour spectrum
1240
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:22,338
Green, blue, indigo, violet
1241
01:20:22,380 --> 01:20:24,257
He know only red, orange, yellow
1242
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:26,336
The emperor shouldn't know anything
1243
01:20:26,380 --> 01:20:28,098
Should know only portion of it
1244
01:20:28,140 --> 01:20:29,937
Because knowledge can hurt him
1245
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:37,415
I export our feeling...
1246
01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:40,052
in his way of seeing
1247
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:44,935
and I re-import once again
all the experience back to him
1248
01:20:44,980 --> 01:20:47,096
Back to Italian cinema
1249
01:20:47,140 --> 01:20:50,689
Back to Last Emperor
1250
01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:54,653
And I understood that at that moment
that cinema really has no nationality
1251
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:12,050
MICHAEL BALLHAUS:
There are different ways to work with a director
1252
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:16,699
I had this wonderful working relationship
1253
01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:22,053
with Marty Scorsese, which, I think,
is the most visual director
1254
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:24,694
of all the directors I've worked with
1255
01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:35,568
When we start a movie,
he knows what he wants. It's in his head
1256
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:42,573
The way Marty works
is that he gives you a shot list
1257
01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:47,250
It's basically to determine the rhythm of a scene.
What he wants
1258
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:50,849
He describes the shot. Close-up. Tracking shot
1259
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:53,972
And when it's getting
a little more complicated, shots,
1260
01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:57,296
then sometimes he makes a little drawing,
of how he wants it,
1261
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:59,456
or he has a reference to another movie
1262
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:03,129
He says, "Why don't you look at this shot
in this-and-this movie?
1263
01:22:03,180 --> 01:22:05,455
Something like this we should do here."
1264
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:07,138
Father,
1265
01:22:07,180 --> 01:22:10,968
why have you forsaken me?
1266
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:15,252
I remember a shot
that Marty hasn't done before
1267
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:18,212
And he wasn't quite sure if it would work
1268
01:22:18,260 --> 01:22:27,259
There was a shot in Goodfellas, when De Niro
and Ray Liotta are sitting in that cafe,
1269
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:33,455
where he finds out that if he goes to
where De Niro tells him to go,
1270
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:35,138
he will be killed
1271
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:39,014
That this is the end of their relationship in a way
1272
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:41,494
MOVIE VOICEOVER:
I got there 15 minutes early
1273
01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:43,656
and I saw that Jimmy was already there
1274
01:22:43,700 --> 01:22:46,692
MICHAEL BALLHAUS:
And what we did is that...
1275
01:22:47,740 --> 01:22:50,698
We did a tracking-back, zooming-in shot,
1276
01:22:50,740 --> 01:22:53,618
where the frame actually did not change
1277
01:22:53,660 --> 01:22:55,298
It starts on a two-shot,
1278
01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:57,137
and we pulled back and zoomed in,
1279
01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:59,899
but the background changed totally
1280
01:22:59,940 --> 01:23:03,330
And this was something
that is quite interesting,
1281
01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:05,052
because it tells you a story
1282
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:07,534
You just start thinking, "What's going on?"
1283
01:23:07,580 --> 01:23:11,732
Something is changing here,
but they still sit there in their booth and talk
1284
01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:14,658
But the world around them changes
1285
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:20,172
And I think this is something that I really like
to do, and then Marty loved it
1286
01:23:20,220 --> 01:23:22,780
It's a matter of bouncing ideas back and forth
1287
01:23:22,820 --> 01:23:26,176
I mean, certainly, you know, it's never easy
1288
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:27,892
It's never perfect
1289
01:23:27,940 --> 01:23:33,970
There's always disputes
about how light or dark it should be
1290
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:35,533
How tight a close-up should be
1291
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:42,096
Well, Eraserhead was a film
that was in David Lynch's mind
1292
01:23:42,140 --> 01:23:44,495
right from the beginning
1293
01:23:44,540 --> 01:23:51,139
And, I think, my job as the cinematographer
became to find ways to extract it and to...
1294
01:23:53,140 --> 01:23:59,170
...to have him explain
how it should look in great detail
1295
01:24:00,220 --> 01:24:01,892
How the camera should move
1296
01:24:01,940 --> 01:24:04,852
What the mood
and the feeling of the light should be
1297
01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:08,097
We found that we could say
this is a dark corner,
1298
01:24:08,140 --> 01:24:09,778
and it's not just dark,
1299
01:24:09,820 --> 01:24:12,095
it's very, very dark
1300
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:15,769
And we would talk about how dark was dark
1301
01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:17,492
# BOBBY VINTON: Blue Velvet
1302
01:24:26,620 --> 01:24:32,456
# She wore blue velvet
1303
01:24:34,220 --> 01:24:38,691
I think the advantage of Blue Velvet
was that we had a lot of time to think about it
1304
01:24:38,740 --> 01:24:41,049
David had written the script for a studio
1305
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:43,977
It didn't get picked up to be made
1306
01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:45,658
Nothing happened for a while
1307
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:47,372
and so I read it and we talked
1308
01:24:47,420 --> 01:24:49,058
And we would talk about...
1309
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:51,568
what's the small town look like?
1310
01:24:51,620 --> 01:24:53,417
Have you ever seen one like this?
1311
01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:57,858
What do these characters do in this town?
1312
01:24:57,900 --> 01:25:01,813
What's Dorothy's apartment look like?
Since we spend so much time in there
1313
01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:03,532
What's the feeling of it?
1314
01:25:03,580 --> 01:25:08,017
Because so many strange things
happen in that place
1315
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:11,850
What's it look like? What colour is it?
1316
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:15,973
We just could bounce ideas around
for a couple of years, which was great
1317
01:25:16,020 --> 01:25:17,658
You don't often have this
1318
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:26,616
Radio Raheem!
1319
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:33,258
The first thing that Spike said to me
about Do the Right Thing,
1320
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:36,133
he said, "This film is set
on the hottest day of the summer
1321
01:25:36,180 --> 01:25:38,057
How do we make the audience feel heat?"
1322
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:41,609
Dealing with it in a realistic treatment,
1323
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:44,457
I don't think would have done it
1324
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:50,655
We had one block in Brooklyn
that was going to be our studio
1325
01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:52,531
And we could control the colour
1326
01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:54,855
We controlled the colour of the costumes
1327
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:57,573
We renovated some of the houses there
1328
01:25:57,620 --> 01:26:01,533
and determined
what colours were going to be there
1329
01:26:03,220 --> 01:26:04,892
It's manufacturing reality,
1330
01:26:04,940 --> 01:26:08,615
heightening the reality,
to get the audience to feel a certain way
1331
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:10,218
Yo, Ahmad!
1332
01:26:11,260 --> 01:26:13,649
I think Do the Right Thing was the first film
1333
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:18,410
where I really had the luxury
of waiting for the light
1334
01:26:18,460 --> 01:26:22,658
A lot of the time I spent planning certain scenes
to be shot at certain times of the day
1335
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:25,817
because the film takes place in one day,
1336
01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:27,532
on one block...
1337
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:31,299
...where changes in light
are going to be very obvious
1338
01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:34,059
You the man. I'm just visiting
1339
01:26:35,140 --> 01:26:36,858
I think Spike trusts me a lot
1340
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:39,811
I think the trust has grown
1341
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:42,215
I think it's really vital to him,
1342
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:47,334
because he does have to give up the directing
reins and get in front of the camera quite a bit
1343
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:51,936
And when he does that,
he relies upon me to be his objective eye
1344
01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:57,373
The director is going to be
the author of the performances of the film,
1345
01:26:58,420 --> 01:27:00,058
the story of the film
1346
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:03,570
The cinematographer is the author
of the use of light in the film
1347
01:27:03,620 --> 01:27:06,214
and how that contributes to the story
1348
01:27:12,620 --> 01:27:16,295
CALEB DESCHANEL:
Suddenly you're aware of the fact
1349
01:27:16,340 --> 01:27:19,616
that things are not exactly as they seem
1350
01:27:19,660 --> 01:27:22,174
In other words, you create a representation of it
1351
01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:24,131
and lots of times, that representation
1352
01:27:24,180 --> 01:27:26,614
is more emotional than it is real
1353
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:30,448
Oftentimes, we're asked to imitate others
1354
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,776
and it's always a little bit disconcerting
1355
01:27:33,820 --> 01:27:37,529
to be asked to completely imitate another film
1356
01:27:37,580 --> 01:27:39,616
I think we all learn from other films
1357
01:27:39,660 --> 01:27:43,209
and try and emulate
certain DPs who are very good
1358
01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:51,091
But the DPs who really do something different
every time are the most amazing
1359
01:27:54,420 --> 01:27:57,253
I think today in motion picture technology
1360
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:59,973
we're really at a precipice,
1361
01:28:00,020 --> 01:28:05,492
a jumping-off point into an unknown
but possibly very exciting future
1362
01:28:05,540 --> 01:28:11,570
In the same way that, the '50s, when
Cinemascope and widescreen Cinerama,
1363
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:13,531
Technirama, all these new formats,
1364
01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:16,617
really shook up the whole way
we were looking at films
1365
01:28:16,660 --> 01:28:19,254
We have that opportunity now
1366
01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:22,292
Someone once said
that the lighting and the look of a film
1367
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:26,015
makes the pauses
speak as eloquently as the words
1368
01:28:27,580 --> 01:28:33,928
That you have moments in films that happen
because of what is there visually
1369
01:28:33,980 --> 01:28:36,699
How someone is lit or not lit
1370
01:28:37,820 --> 01:28:40,254
You put something
in an audience's mind visually,
1371
01:28:40,300 --> 01:28:46,011
and they will carry away images
as well as the words
1372
01:29:01,512 --> 01:31:20,012
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