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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:25,907 --> 00:00:26,973 For the last couple of years 2 00:00:26,975 --> 00:00:29,642 I've gotten very busy on the off season. 3 00:00:29,644 --> 00:00:32,112 Mainly, because early in my career... 4 00:00:32,114 --> 00:00:34,080 I had those rough years in Buffalo. 5 00:00:34,082 --> 00:00:35,915 I sort of told myself then 6 00:00:35,917 --> 00:00:38,551 I would, uh, put my energies in something that was gonna 7 00:00:38,553 --> 00:00:40,386 sustain me and last. 8 00:00:40,388 --> 00:00:42,422 I knew then that I would have trouble adjusting 9 00:00:42,424 --> 00:00:44,090 to not being a football player. 10 00:00:44,092 --> 00:00:45,425 So, I said, 11 00:00:45,427 --> 00:00:47,794 "Hey, I better start preparing myself for... for... 12 00:00:47,796 --> 00:00:49,896 for, you know... now. 13 00:00:50,832 --> 00:00:52,999 I wanna tell you that over the years 14 00:00:53,001 --> 00:00:56,603 I've heard your applause, and I appreciated your cheers. 15 00:00:56,605 --> 00:00:57,605 And I want you to know 16 00:00:58,673 --> 00:01:02,976 that I already know it's what I'm gonna miss most. 17 00:01:02,978 --> 00:01:04,744 Thank you all, very much. 18 00:01:51,293 --> 00:01:55,962 Growing up in Brentwood was really a wonderful experience. 19 00:01:55,964 --> 00:01:57,864 It's very quiet. 20 00:01:57,866 --> 00:01:59,866 It's very affluent. 21 00:01:59,868 --> 00:02:00,900 Very safe. 22 00:02:00,902 --> 00:02:02,068 Very white. 23 00:02:04,906 --> 00:02:06,639 Burglaries were very rare. 24 00:02:06,641 --> 00:02:09,008 Violent crime almost nonexistent. 25 00:02:09,010 --> 00:02:11,144 You could leave your door unlocked. 26 00:02:11,146 --> 00:02:13,379 Never have to worry about anything. 27 00:02:16,184 --> 00:02:20,687 I graduated the academy in 1975. 28 00:02:20,689 --> 00:02:24,490 And then transferred to West L.A. 1978-79. 29 00:02:24,492 --> 00:02:28,161 West L.A., the whole division, Bel Air, Brentwood, all... 30 00:02:28,163 --> 00:02:29,429 it's loaded with stars. 31 00:02:30,265 --> 00:02:31,664 And I'd sit back and go, 32 00:02:31,666 --> 00:02:33,800 "Man, am I really getting paid for doing this?" 33 00:02:37,172 --> 00:02:39,072 When I first got there, O.J. had just moved 34 00:02:39,074 --> 00:02:40,974 from around Mulholland over to Rockingham. 35 00:02:43,511 --> 00:02:48,081 O.J. Simpson living in Brentwood was really an anomaly. 36 00:02:48,083 --> 00:02:50,883 He'd be one of maybe three black people 37 00:02:50,885 --> 00:02:52,619 in the entire community. 38 00:02:54,022 --> 00:02:57,056 Los Angeles is unlike other places. 39 00:02:57,058 --> 00:03:00,393 If you're a celebrity, you have no color. 40 00:03:00,395 --> 00:03:02,729 People enjoy having you in their neighborhood. 41 00:03:02,731 --> 00:03:04,564 Especially if you're a celebrity like O.J. 42 00:03:04,566 --> 00:03:09,235 where everyone's husband worshipped him as a sports hero 43 00:03:09,237 --> 00:03:11,938 and couldn't wait to shake hands. 44 00:03:13,041 --> 00:03:15,208 Once I found out he was living on Rockingham, 45 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:18,611 I decided I'd go by there, you know, and let him know... 46 00:03:18,613 --> 00:03:21,414 "Hey, you know? O.J., I'm here." 47 00:03:21,416 --> 00:03:22,416 This is where I work. 48 00:03:22,817 --> 00:03:24,250 O.J. was great. 49 00:03:24,252 --> 00:03:26,386 He'd always referred to the LAPD as "the boys." You know? 50 00:03:26,388 --> 00:03:27,620 "How's crime today?" 51 00:03:27,622 --> 00:03:29,489 "Hey, Shipp, what's going on in my area, man?" 52 00:03:29,491 --> 00:03:30,456 "Is you keeping the peace?" 53 00:03:30,458 --> 00:03:31,991 You know, stuff like that? 54 00:03:31,993 --> 00:03:33,860 And I'd be like, "Hey, man, everything's good." 55 00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:43,169 70-80 percent of the people in the city of Los Angeles, 56 00:03:43,171 --> 00:03:47,273 were thinking LAPD does a great job, we don't have crime here. 57 00:03:47,275 --> 00:03:49,842 They thought out in the Valley or West Los Angeles, 58 00:03:49,844 --> 00:03:52,945 "Hey, man, they're great." They smile. They wave. 59 00:03:52,947 --> 00:03:54,714 They're always around when you need them. 60 00:03:57,452 --> 00:04:01,921 Well, that wasn't how other parts of the city were being treated. 61 00:04:05,527 --> 00:04:07,360 On January 3rd, 1979, 62 00:04:08,363 --> 00:04:11,264 two members of the Los Angeles Police Department 63 00:04:11,266 --> 00:04:15,001 shot and killed Eulia Love at her home, 64 00:04:15,003 --> 00:04:19,172 in a dispute over $22.09 utility bill. 65 00:04:20,008 --> 00:04:21,641 She died on her front lawn 66 00:04:21,643 --> 00:04:23,876 before the eyes of her own children. 67 00:04:26,281 --> 00:04:29,682 There is no single event that had a more profound impact 68 00:04:29,684 --> 00:04:33,486 in LAPD history up to that point and time 69 00:04:33,488 --> 00:04:35,922 than the shooting of Eulia May Love. 70 00:04:39,194 --> 00:04:43,129 This is where Mrs. Eulia Love stood the day the shooting took place. 71 00:04:43,131 --> 00:04:45,331 There was an officer here, an officer there. 72 00:04:45,333 --> 00:04:47,633 She held a knife in her hand, there was a scuffle, 73 00:04:47,635 --> 00:04:49,135 the knife was knocked out of her hand, 74 00:04:49,137 --> 00:04:51,037 she reached for it, and as she threw it, 75 00:04:51,039 --> 00:04:52,638 the officers opened fire. 76 00:04:54,676 --> 00:04:56,042 This was a big deal. 77 00:04:56,044 --> 00:04:59,579 This is a woman who's had a tough time. 78 00:05:00,882 --> 00:05:02,682 And she was desperate. 79 00:05:02,684 --> 00:05:05,017 So, there was a lot of empathy going out to her 80 00:05:05,019 --> 00:05:06,019 from the community. 81 00:05:09,023 --> 00:05:12,024 Once again, we have a member of the black community... 82 00:05:12,026 --> 00:05:13,526 dead... 83 00:05:13,528 --> 00:05:16,462 under circumstances that are highly questionable at best. 84 00:05:19,567 --> 00:05:21,367 It has been determined that the evidence 85 00:05:21,369 --> 00:05:24,604 does not warrant the filing of criminal charges. 86 00:05:24,606 --> 00:05:27,540 This was a justifiable homicide, 87 00:05:27,542 --> 00:05:30,610 uh, committed by the officers in their own self-defense. 88 00:05:32,247 --> 00:05:35,915 As far as LAPD was concerned, it was just an event. 89 00:05:35,917 --> 00:05:37,517 And everybody was supposed to accept it. 90 00:05:39,454 --> 00:05:42,355 This was on the lips and minds of everybody in the community. 91 00:05:43,892 --> 00:05:46,793 The people gonna get justice, and it's gonna be in the street. 92 00:05:50,131 --> 00:05:52,465 It didn't help that you had a police chief, 93 00:05:52,467 --> 00:05:53,933 who behaved poorly, 94 00:05:53,935 --> 00:05:56,102 and, in many ways, irresponsibly. 95 00:05:56,104 --> 00:06:01,407 And I've commented on the media squeezing out the last, uh... 96 00:06:01,409 --> 00:06:04,043 tear of emotion in this situation, 97 00:06:04,045 --> 00:06:06,612 where they talk about a $22 gas bill. 98 00:06:06,614 --> 00:06:09,315 It doesn't make any difference, but it was, uh... 99 00:06:09,317 --> 00:06:11,617 a $69 gas bill. 100 00:06:12,587 --> 00:06:14,086 Gates was Gates. 101 00:06:14,088 --> 00:06:18,157 He's going to be fully supportive of his officers. 102 00:06:18,159 --> 00:06:22,128 I guess they don't think I have any sympathy for anyone, 103 00:06:22,130 --> 00:06:24,997 other than police officers, and that's simply not true. 104 00:06:24,999 --> 00:06:28,634 I have great empathy and sympathy for Eulia Love and her family. 105 00:06:28,636 --> 00:06:30,803 Deeply sorry that it happened, but it did happen. 106 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,506 I... 107 00:06:33,508 --> 00:06:35,308 was a big fan of Daryl... 108 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:36,342 Francis Gates. 109 00:06:37,479 --> 00:06:40,413 Gates introduced the SWAT model of law enforcement, 110 00:06:40,415 --> 00:06:43,950 introduced the D.A.R.E. program to all of law enforcement. 111 00:06:43,952 --> 00:06:45,918 So he was an innovator. 112 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,754 But he was also a controversial guy. 113 00:06:48,756 --> 00:06:51,123 We have officers out there doing the job. 114 00:06:51,125 --> 00:06:54,494 Attempting to make good judgment based on the information they have, 115 00:06:54,496 --> 00:06:56,128 protecting themselves and protecting 116 00:06:56,130 --> 00:06:58,264 the people of the city of Los Angeles, 117 00:06:58,266 --> 00:07:00,032 that we will go to hell for. 118 00:07:01,536 --> 00:07:05,938 He loved LAPD. He loved his officers. 119 00:07:07,275 --> 00:07:12,712 And there were times that I believe that his love for his officers... 120 00:07:12,714 --> 00:07:14,074 and the law enforcement mission... 121 00:07:15,216 --> 00:07:16,282 conflicted. 122 00:07:23,791 --> 00:07:26,025 O.J. Simpson and Elizabeth Montgomery 123 00:07:26,027 --> 00:07:28,561 are two police detectives who have a problem. 124 00:07:28,563 --> 00:07:31,998 They're falling in love, and it's breaking all the rules. 125 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,332 But you are a married man, 126 00:07:33,334 --> 00:07:35,468 and your conduct is supposed to be exemplary. 127 00:07:35,470 --> 00:07:37,870 Would it make any difference if I was a white cop? 128 00:07:37,872 --> 00:07:41,007 It's a bittersweet story of two people caught between 129 00:07:41,009 --> 00:07:42,808 their emotions and their actions 130 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:44,710 in "A Killing Affair". 131 00:07:44,712 --> 00:07:46,913 Sunday at 3:00 on channel 9. 132 00:07:48,082 --> 00:07:50,383 Life for a black person... 133 00:07:50,385 --> 00:07:51,984 in a way, unfortunately, 134 00:07:51,986 --> 00:07:54,220 is different than for white people. 135 00:07:54,222 --> 00:07:59,225 And especially for black people who attain great success. 136 00:07:59,227 --> 00:08:02,094 Is there pressure from your community 137 00:08:02,096 --> 00:08:06,365 for you to really walk the straight and narrow? 138 00:08:06,367 --> 00:08:09,101 I know that you are currently dating a white woman. 139 00:08:09,103 --> 00:08:12,905 I wouldn't be asking this question if we were living in different times, 140 00:08:12,907 --> 00:08:15,441 but we are, and there seems to be... 141 00:08:15,443 --> 00:08:17,276 this sort of dichotomy here. 142 00:08:17,278 --> 00:08:18,511 How do you answer it? 143 00:08:18,513 --> 00:08:20,379 Well, I rebel against images because... 144 00:08:20,381 --> 00:08:21,681 then, um... 145 00:08:21,683 --> 00:08:23,683 you know, people tend to expect things from you. 146 00:08:23,685 --> 00:08:26,285 I... I think I created an image by being me. 147 00:08:26,287 --> 00:08:28,454 When I get into these arguments with... 148 00:08:28,456 --> 00:08:30,022 people of the bla... people of my community, 149 00:08:30,024 --> 00:08:31,257 the black community, 150 00:08:31,259 --> 00:08:33,859 I say, "Hey, I... I've accepted Jesus Christ" 151 00:08:33,861 --> 00:08:36,596 and, uh, I try to do unto others as, uh... 152 00:08:36,598 --> 00:08:37,964 you know, I would have them do unto me. 153 00:08:37,966 --> 00:08:39,899 And after that, hey, my life is mine. 154 00:08:39,901 --> 00:08:42,935 And I... I do what is morally right and acceptable to me. 155 00:08:42,937 --> 00:08:45,371 I am not prejudiced in any form. 156 00:08:45,373 --> 00:08:47,213 Obviously, I got a white girlfriend. 157 00:08:49,544 --> 00:08:51,978 I admired his celebrity status. 158 00:08:53,047 --> 00:08:55,481 We thought he had accomplished quite a bit. 159 00:08:55,483 --> 00:08:57,149 To move from an athlete... 160 00:08:57,986 --> 00:09:01,120 to... a position of celebrity, 161 00:09:01,122 --> 00:09:05,224 and loved by all the people, not just black folk. 162 00:09:11,132 --> 00:09:16,268 I invited O.J. here, early on in the '80s. 163 00:09:16,270 --> 00:09:19,905 He didn't come as often as I thought he should. 164 00:09:19,907 --> 00:09:21,941 But he did come to church. 165 00:09:21,943 --> 00:09:23,909 I think he was very in tune with... 166 00:09:23,911 --> 00:09:25,211 who his mother wanted him to be. 167 00:09:26,848 --> 00:09:30,750 She wanted him to be honest, to be religious. 168 00:09:30,752 --> 00:09:33,753 Just to rise above a lot of the things 169 00:09:33,755 --> 00:09:35,321 that he saw growing up. 170 00:09:36,424 --> 00:09:38,858 His mother was a staunch Christian. 171 00:09:38,860 --> 00:09:44,030 And she had embedded within him the tenants of Jesus Christ. 172 00:09:44,032 --> 00:09:48,634 I would talk to him about having achieved money and fame. 173 00:09:48,636 --> 00:09:50,603 But all that came from God. 174 00:09:51,472 --> 00:09:54,473 And there are times when you should... 175 00:09:54,475 --> 00:09:57,543 respond to how good God has been to you. 176 00:09:58,646 --> 00:10:00,813 Now, some days, depending on his mood, 177 00:10:00,815 --> 00:10:02,381 he would agree. 178 00:10:03,618 --> 00:10:05,551 But he was not out there... 179 00:10:05,553 --> 00:10:06,553 publically... 180 00:10:06,954 --> 00:10:10,489 fighting for African-Americans. 181 00:10:10,491 --> 00:10:13,626 I think each person who is in the limelight 182 00:10:13,628 --> 00:10:16,062 has an obligation... 183 00:10:16,064 --> 00:10:18,798 to make things better for the last, the lost, the least, 184 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,766 the left out, and the looked over. 185 00:10:21,703 --> 00:10:23,536 And I thought he should have done more. 186 00:10:27,041 --> 00:10:30,409 If we, as Black people, do not take on the responsibility... 187 00:10:30,411 --> 00:10:32,144 to do something for ourselves, 188 00:10:32,146 --> 00:10:35,314 we really should be scorned in the eyes of the world. 189 00:10:35,316 --> 00:10:37,683 In my circles, there were not a lot of people 190 00:10:37,685 --> 00:10:41,053 who were preoccupying themselves with getting to O.J. 191 00:10:41,055 --> 00:10:43,089 or believing that O.J. could be turned around, 192 00:10:43,091 --> 00:10:46,025 or someday was gonna come to his senses 193 00:10:46,027 --> 00:10:50,596 and embrace all of the things that have the values that we had, 194 00:10:50,598 --> 00:10:52,531 in terms of really, really 195 00:10:52,533 --> 00:10:55,901 doing something demonstrative for the Black community. 196 00:10:57,338 --> 00:10:59,338 O.J. was just one of those things 197 00:10:59,340 --> 00:11:01,980 that you just kind of dismissed, "Oh, that brother's a lost cause." 198 00:11:03,878 --> 00:11:04,878 His voice was mute... 199 00:11:06,047 --> 00:11:11,083 on any issues that related to Black people and our salvation, 200 00:11:11,085 --> 00:11:13,953 police brutality, all of those things. 201 00:11:13,955 --> 00:11:15,888 He was just a non-entity. 202 00:11:17,892 --> 00:11:21,594 I don't know that he felt that he was sacrificing 203 00:11:21,596 --> 00:11:24,096 what other people thought he was. 204 00:11:24,098 --> 00:11:26,332 But you're sacrificing who you are... 205 00:11:31,773 --> 00:11:33,973 who you are raised to be. 206 00:11:33,974 --> 00:11:36,174 How does one sustain that over that period of time? 207 00:11:38,379 --> 00:11:44,150 How does one bend one's soul to that degree of denial? 208 00:11:47,155 --> 00:11:49,121 It's easy to tell while laid out on the ground, 209 00:11:49,123 --> 00:11:50,156 while he's bleeding to death. 210 00:11:50,158 --> 00:11:51,757 Is that what makes you happy? 211 00:11:56,731 --> 00:11:58,297 Did you hear? Did you see what was going on? 212 00:11:58,299 --> 00:12:00,933 Did he see everything happening in South Central? 213 00:12:00,935 --> 00:12:01,834 Yeah. 214 00:12:01,836 --> 00:12:03,769 Did he want to take that home with him? 215 00:12:03,771 --> 00:12:05,838 Did he want that to be who he was? 216 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,006 Who he identified with? No. 217 00:12:08,109 --> 00:12:09,109 He stayed in Brentwood. 218 00:12:12,747 --> 00:12:14,547 When you live in South L.A., 219 00:12:15,449 --> 00:12:16,482 I mean you live here, 220 00:12:16,484 --> 00:12:17,950 this is where you breath, 221 00:12:17,952 --> 00:12:20,352 this is where you occupy your space, 222 00:12:20,354 --> 00:12:22,855 I'm not sure if, you know, a lot of people even know 223 00:12:22,857 --> 00:12:23,923 where Brentwood is. 224 00:12:25,359 --> 00:12:27,459 That's just the reality... 225 00:12:27,461 --> 00:12:30,663 of Black America and White America. 226 00:12:32,934 --> 00:12:36,435 Two totally... separate worlds. 227 00:12:46,447 --> 00:12:48,981 He's somebody who learned how to live with, 228 00:12:48,983 --> 00:12:52,818 be totally accepted by a white world. 229 00:12:57,191 --> 00:12:58,457 Underneath that, 230 00:12:58,459 --> 00:13:02,027 he learned all of the indignities of the Black world. 231 00:13:04,498 --> 00:13:09,201 Although it's impossible to believe that he's that brilliant an actor. 232 00:13:09,203 --> 00:13:13,839 I think he was always kind of on when he was in a White world, 233 00:13:13,841 --> 00:13:15,941 and he weren't when he was in a Black world. 234 00:13:21,849 --> 00:13:26,151 Which makes him the right soul for Coalhouse Walker. 235 00:13:29,724 --> 00:13:33,993 He very much wanted to be cast in E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime". 236 00:13:33,995 --> 00:13:38,097 And he worked hard on trying to get that part. 237 00:13:38,099 --> 00:13:39,999 He saw the part as being 238 00:13:40,001 --> 00:13:43,936 something that he could go into a new dimension as an actor. 239 00:13:43,938 --> 00:13:46,038 Let's go to your acting career for a moment. 240 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,008 Why did you want the role of Coalhouse Walker Jr.? 241 00:13:49,010 --> 00:13:51,210 Well, first of all, it, um... 242 00:13:51,212 --> 00:13:54,280 it was the only part thus far that I've ever actively 243 00:13:54,282 --> 00:13:55,714 went after and didn't get. 244 00:13:55,716 --> 00:13:58,350 So, I'd consider it my only failure in film. 245 00:13:58,352 --> 00:14:00,085 Thus far. 246 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:04,090 Good afternoon. 247 00:14:04,692 --> 00:14:06,592 I wonder if you might be able to help me. 248 00:14:07,561 --> 00:14:08,460 Uh... 249 00:14:08,462 --> 00:14:10,029 Uh... what do you want? 250 00:14:10,031 --> 00:14:12,965 Well, I'm looking for a young woman of color called Sarah. 251 00:14:12,967 --> 00:14:14,233 Uh... who are you? 252 00:14:14,235 --> 00:14:15,301 Oh, I'm sorry. 253 00:14:15,303 --> 00:14:17,469 My name is Coalhouse Walker Jr. 254 00:14:17,471 --> 00:14:21,040 When I read the book, I could identify with this guy... 255 00:14:21,042 --> 00:14:24,310 so much... He was a Black man in... at a time 256 00:14:24,312 --> 00:14:27,046 when you were supposed to know you were Black. 257 00:14:27,048 --> 00:14:28,914 You were supposed to know you had a place. 258 00:14:28,916 --> 00:14:30,983 Would you please wait around the back? 259 00:14:30,985 --> 00:14:32,818 I was raised in the sports world 260 00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:36,088 where you're only, uh, judged by your abilities... 261 00:14:36,090 --> 00:14:37,823 and, uh, you know, what you have to give. 262 00:14:41,128 --> 00:14:42,428 Who is Coalhouse? 263 00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:44,630 Well, he's a guy who created himself. 264 00:14:44,632 --> 00:14:47,299 And destroyed himself... ultimately. 265 00:14:49,070 --> 00:14:53,072 He was a guy among other things who was very prideful and suffered. 266 00:14:53,074 --> 00:14:54,673 Suffered for his pride. 267 00:14:54,675 --> 00:14:56,642 Mr. Walker, let me give you some advice. 268 00:14:58,112 --> 00:15:00,012 You spend the money on your wedding. 269 00:15:00,014 --> 00:15:04,416 Build yourself a home and a family where you can find some comfort. 270 00:15:04,418 --> 00:15:07,953 And just forget that some damn white man caused you offence. 271 00:15:07,955 --> 00:15:10,155 I can understand exactly what he felt. 272 00:15:10,157 --> 00:15:11,190 When he walked in a room, 273 00:15:11,192 --> 00:15:13,859 he gave no credence to the fact he was Black 274 00:15:13,861 --> 00:15:16,261 and he wasn't supposed to say things or be treated any differently. 275 00:15:16,263 --> 00:15:17,629 And, uh... 276 00:15:17,631 --> 00:15:19,198 Uh.. that's the way I've tried to look at my life. 277 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,266 So, I felt I was the right person for that role. 278 00:15:21,268 --> 00:15:24,003 I felt that I was today's Coalhouse Walker. 279 00:15:24,005 --> 00:15:25,904 "Just forget it"? Is that it? 280 00:15:28,009 --> 00:15:30,009 I've spent my whole life forgetting. 281 00:15:30,011 --> 00:15:34,113 You're a young man. You better start learning now. 282 00:15:34,115 --> 00:15:35,115 Learning what? 283 00:15:35,683 --> 00:15:36,882 How to be a nigger? 284 00:15:40,054 --> 00:15:42,187 You know, there was some tragedy in your life... 285 00:15:42,189 --> 00:15:44,990 in the last 10 years. You lost a child. 286 00:15:44,992 --> 00:15:47,092 I wanna talk about how it changed you. 287 00:15:54,368 --> 00:15:56,568 The baby drowned in a swimming pool. 288 00:15:56,570 --> 00:15:58,037 On Rockingham, there. 289 00:15:59,673 --> 00:16:00,673 He was away. 290 00:16:01,142 --> 00:16:02,875 You know, he was always gone. 291 00:16:02,877 --> 00:16:04,076 Four, set! 292 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:06,578 I don't know how much it changed me. 293 00:16:06,580 --> 00:16:09,048 I've always tried to live my life to the fullest. 294 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:09,982 And, uh... 295 00:16:09,984 --> 00:16:10,983 I used to be so busy. 296 00:16:10,985 --> 00:16:12,384 And I was on the road so much, 297 00:16:12,386 --> 00:16:15,320 that in a sense it partially cost me a marriage. 298 00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:17,322 When I lost my daughter... 299 00:16:17,324 --> 00:16:18,123 I was gone. 300 00:16:18,125 --> 00:16:21,527 When my first daughter was born, I was gone. 301 00:16:25,699 --> 00:16:28,033 When you lose a child, it's very hard. 302 00:16:28,035 --> 00:16:32,071 Three weeks before Aaren drowned, my son drowned... 303 00:16:32,073 --> 00:16:36,341 in a pool, that Boys Club in San Leandro, California. 304 00:16:36,343 --> 00:16:38,977 So, the tragedy affected us both. 305 00:16:40,214 --> 00:16:43,982 It still affects me. So, I know... how it affects him. 306 00:16:46,921 --> 00:16:49,588 He didn't bring it up, and we didn't talk much about it. 307 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:50,590 Hey, O.J.! 308 00:16:51,625 --> 00:16:54,593 I think it's the single most horrible thing in the world. 309 00:16:59,033 --> 00:17:01,066 I think what you learn in the streets, 310 00:17:02,036 --> 00:17:04,103 is how to bury things. 311 00:17:04,939 --> 00:17:06,338 And he blamed Marguerite. 312 00:17:12,913 --> 00:17:17,082 He got rid of that memory when he got rid of that wife. 313 00:17:17,084 --> 00:17:19,151 He just compartmentalized it. 314 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,553 And got 'em out. 315 00:17:23,557 --> 00:17:27,126 If anything, I made up my mind that I would be around. 316 00:17:27,128 --> 00:17:28,127 And, uh... 317 00:17:28,129 --> 00:17:30,262 it's nice to be loved by everybody. 318 00:17:30,264 --> 00:17:32,331 But there's some people that love you a little more. 319 00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:33,565 So, I guess if anything, 320 00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:35,734 I... I just want to be a little more loving 321 00:17:35,736 --> 00:17:38,103 and be there a little more to the people that have, uh, 322 00:17:38,105 --> 00:17:40,339 have chosen to share their lives with me. 323 00:17:42,810 --> 00:17:44,042 And now by the... 324 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:46,311 authority committed unto me 325 00:17:46,313 --> 00:17:48,514 as a minister in the church of Jesus Christ 326 00:17:48,516 --> 00:17:51,250 and according to the laws in the State of California, 327 00:17:51,252 --> 00:17:53,919 it gives me great delight, O.J. and Nicole, 328 00:17:53,921 --> 00:17:56,522 to pronounce you husband and wife. 329 00:18:10,471 --> 00:18:12,204 We love "Juice" like my brother. 330 00:18:12,206 --> 00:18:15,007 I'm thrilled he's my partner, and we're just... 331 00:18:15,009 --> 00:18:18,043 totally knocked out that he finally took the step... 332 00:18:20,881 --> 00:18:22,514 They had a great wedding. 333 00:18:23,817 --> 00:18:25,684 Of course, they had amazing music. 334 00:18:25,686 --> 00:18:28,353 And it was all, you know, Christal champagne, 335 00:18:28,355 --> 00:18:29,288 all you could drink. 336 00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:31,056 Where are the drugs? No, I'm just kidding. 337 00:18:31,959 --> 00:18:33,058 It was a great party. 338 00:18:35,462 --> 00:18:38,797 And they made a really strong, gorgeous couple. 339 00:18:42,036 --> 00:18:44,736 I just felt that they were the ideal couple. 340 00:18:44,738 --> 00:18:47,539 Because it seems like to me, from what I saw, 341 00:18:47,541 --> 00:18:51,043 it seemed like they just had so much fun all the time. 342 00:18:51,045 --> 00:18:52,878 I'm married! I don't believe it! 343 00:18:53,881 --> 00:18:55,747 I'm married! I really don't believe it. 344 00:18:56,483 --> 00:19:01,119 Nicole was funny, and she was fun to be around. 345 00:19:01,121 --> 00:19:03,055 She was a very good friend. 346 00:19:03,057 --> 00:19:04,723 When Nicole came into my life at... 347 00:19:04,725 --> 00:19:07,059 what for any athlete is very difficult time, 348 00:19:07,061 --> 00:19:08,694 it was at the end of my career, 349 00:19:08,696 --> 00:19:11,396 I was also going through a divorce at the time and, uh... 350 00:19:11,398 --> 00:19:14,833 All my life, I wanted to be a father. 351 00:19:14,835 --> 00:19:17,002 I never really thought about being a husband. 352 00:19:17,004 --> 00:19:18,244 And I thought I had given up... 353 00:19:18,939 --> 00:19:21,573 the opportunity to watch my kids grow 354 00:19:21,575 --> 00:19:24,576 until you came into my life and made this house a home, 355 00:19:24,578 --> 00:19:25,877 brought my kids in. 356 00:19:25,879 --> 00:19:27,713 You brought love into my house. 357 00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:35,854 He was really proud of her. 358 00:19:35,856 --> 00:19:39,057 And she had definitely taken over. 359 00:19:39,059 --> 00:19:41,493 I mean, she was running the show at Rockingham. 360 00:19:44,031 --> 00:19:46,231 Rockingham, it was his Graceland. 361 00:19:46,233 --> 00:19:48,533 It was all of their Graceland. 362 00:19:48,535 --> 00:19:50,736 We never said, "I'll meet you at O.J.'s house." 363 00:19:50,738 --> 00:19:52,904 It was always, "I'll see you at Rockingham." 364 00:19:52,906 --> 00:19:54,873 It was what brought all of us together. 365 00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:58,377 It was a special place. 366 00:19:58,379 --> 00:20:00,812 I mean, you never knew who was gonna be there. 367 00:20:00,814 --> 00:20:04,650 He gravitated toward celebrities. 368 00:20:04,652 --> 00:20:05,384 In any field. 369 00:20:05,386 --> 00:20:09,955 And that's the glue that bonded him to Los Angeles, 370 00:20:09,957 --> 00:20:13,025 and also made Rockingham that castle. 371 00:20:14,261 --> 00:20:17,462 You'd have the greatest athletes in the world show up. 372 00:20:17,464 --> 00:20:19,765 The most interesting politicians, you know? 373 00:20:19,767 --> 00:20:21,266 The entertainment world. 374 00:20:21,268 --> 00:20:23,502 And everybody always had a wonderful time 375 00:20:23,504 --> 00:20:24,970 because it was "The Juice". 376 00:20:25,973 --> 00:20:29,241 I've always had a large what I call "family"... 377 00:20:29,243 --> 00:20:31,143 A large circle of friends, 378 00:20:31,145 --> 00:20:33,412 and you need 'em more, I guess, in your life. 379 00:20:33,414 --> 00:20:36,114 At my house, I mean, I have to be successful 380 00:20:36,116 --> 00:20:38,450 to pay for the soft drinks and the beer 381 00:20:38,452 --> 00:20:40,686 that the guys drink at the house on the weekends. 382 00:20:44,024 --> 00:20:47,526 He flew a flag at Rockingham every day. 383 00:20:47,528 --> 00:20:50,095 He loved America. He loved the red, white, and blue. 384 00:20:50,097 --> 00:20:53,298 He loved that feeling that you get, you know, on the Fourth of July, 385 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,167 and see jets fly over. 386 00:20:55,169 --> 00:20:57,336 During the Olympics, when he carried the torch. 387 00:20:57,338 --> 00:20:58,537 That was a big thing to him. 388 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,476 That was one of the things we talked about for years after. 389 00:21:04,478 --> 00:21:06,878 How perfect the world was then. 390 00:21:08,449 --> 00:21:10,349 I want to say to, uh... 391 00:21:10,351 --> 00:21:11,783 the Hall of Fame members here, 392 00:21:11,785 --> 00:21:14,119 I mean, as a kid, I watched these guys 393 00:21:14,121 --> 00:21:16,154 and, well, I must have done something good 394 00:21:16,156 --> 00:21:18,557 or something right to be here, and I just want you to know 395 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,625 that I'll never let you guys down, man. 396 00:21:20,627 --> 00:21:22,461 I'll live up to the honor of being in this Hall 397 00:21:22,463 --> 00:21:23,562 and being on your team. 398 00:21:25,866 --> 00:21:26,865 Thank you very much. 399 00:21:31,004 --> 00:21:33,238 The most unique aspect of O.J. Simpson 400 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,840 is that you're one of the few people 401 00:21:34,842 --> 00:21:37,676 who've not only been successful in athletics, 402 00:21:37,678 --> 00:21:42,381 but that success has really carried over to life after football. 403 00:21:44,885 --> 00:21:47,052 Well, it's real exciting for me to be back here. 404 00:21:47,054 --> 00:21:49,020 You know, on the field where I had so many thrills, 405 00:21:49,022 --> 00:21:51,656 and to experience these Buffalo Bills fans, 406 00:21:51,658 --> 00:21:54,092 and, believe me, Howard, they're in rare form tonight. 407 00:21:55,062 --> 00:21:58,063 Well, he certainly tried to be a commentator. 408 00:21:58,065 --> 00:22:00,499 Peyton following Matt Suhey. 409 00:22:00,501 --> 00:22:04,369 It's a testament to walk... Walter's conditioning. 410 00:22:04,371 --> 00:22:06,091 This guy works out harder than anybody in... 411 00:22:08,242 --> 00:22:12,744 He very much was involved in corporate America 412 00:22:12,746 --> 00:22:14,279 and being on boards. 413 00:22:15,215 --> 00:22:18,950 I think he was trying, very intelligently, 414 00:22:18,952 --> 00:22:22,454 to parley his fame into wealth. 415 00:22:24,425 --> 00:22:27,459 By the '80s, O.J. really was a businessman. 416 00:22:29,463 --> 00:22:32,964 His new friends were all super wealthy, 417 00:22:32,966 --> 00:22:35,000 powerful white men. 418 00:22:36,403 --> 00:22:39,070 And I think really the reason he surrounded himself 419 00:22:39,072 --> 00:22:41,540 with all these big, successful entrepreneurs 420 00:22:41,542 --> 00:22:43,508 is because he saw himself as one, too. 421 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:49,080 I've always been, sort of, an inquisitive person. 422 00:22:49,082 --> 00:22:51,450 And I have friends who do a lot of different things. 423 00:22:51,452 --> 00:22:54,286 And I've made it a point to find out what the people 424 00:22:54,288 --> 00:22:55,353 around me were doing. 425 00:22:57,991 --> 00:23:00,058 He called me a lot. 426 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:04,629 "Now, Frank, I have this opportunity for HoneyBaked Hams." 427 00:23:04,631 --> 00:23:07,999 Or "Frank, this friend of mine is doing some storage things 428 00:23:08,001 --> 00:23:09,067 in California." 429 00:23:10,103 --> 00:23:12,237 I didn't always know those answers. 430 00:23:12,239 --> 00:23:13,939 But I guess I enjoyed the fact 431 00:23:13,941 --> 00:23:16,141 that he trusted me enough to do that. 432 00:23:18,178 --> 00:23:21,146 I introduced him to the business world. 433 00:23:26,153 --> 00:23:27,853 I took him places... 434 00:23:27,855 --> 00:23:31,957 where I think very few Black men had ever been. 435 00:23:31,959 --> 00:23:33,525 The Pine Valley Golf Club. 436 00:23:34,495 --> 00:23:36,728 The number one club in America. 437 00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:41,867 I got him into Arcola. 438 00:23:41,869 --> 00:23:44,035 He was the first black member of the club. 439 00:23:44,037 --> 00:23:46,104 Oh, yeah, by a long shot. 440 00:23:47,007 --> 00:23:49,808 This one time, he brought Sidney Poitier. 441 00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:54,479 And, of course, the whole club was circling around the two of them. 442 00:23:54,481 --> 00:23:58,016 Even the bigots thought that was terrific. 443 00:23:59,052 --> 00:24:00,052 They loved him. 444 00:24:00,821 --> 00:24:02,254 Because he just fit in. 445 00:24:04,191 --> 00:24:06,892 He could schmooze around and get ingratiated, 446 00:24:06,894 --> 00:24:08,493 'cause he was "The Juice". 447 00:24:08,495 --> 00:24:12,364 Street-smart, this man was an Einstein. 448 00:24:12,366 --> 00:24:17,068 He could cunningly and calculatingly figure out exactly 449 00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:19,838 what these white people were thinking about, 450 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,140 but he was also that way with Black people. 451 00:24:22,142 --> 00:24:26,645 It was almost magnetic, they were just drawn to it. 452 00:24:26,647 --> 00:24:28,013 And I don't care who was there, 453 00:24:28,015 --> 00:24:30,095 when he got to the room, it was, "The Juice is here." 454 00:24:30,884 --> 00:24:33,919 Here's the man whose smile is more dazzling 455 00:24:33,921 --> 00:24:35,987 than all his golden awards. 456 00:24:35,989 --> 00:24:39,724 Sportsman, actor, all around wonderful 457 00:24:39,726 --> 00:24:41,893 Mr. O.J. Simpson! 458 00:24:44,064 --> 00:24:47,065 I always told him he had delusions of grandeur. 459 00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:49,534 He thought he could do certain things in business 460 00:24:49,536 --> 00:24:51,002 that he wasn't capable of. 461 00:24:51,004 --> 00:24:52,337 Three! 462 00:24:52,339 --> 00:24:55,774 One day he was gonna run Paramount or 20th Century, 463 00:24:55,776 --> 00:24:56,608 Warner Brothers... 464 00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:59,611 Now, I mean, he believed things like that. 465 00:24:59,613 --> 00:25:01,880 Ladies and gentlemen, another winning performance 466 00:25:01,882 --> 00:25:04,349 from Mr. O.J. Simpson! 467 00:25:05,452 --> 00:25:07,018 There's something deep-seated... 468 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,020 that I think a lot of people like myself 469 00:25:09,022 --> 00:25:12,090 have to face up to about what created 470 00:25:12,092 --> 00:25:13,725 this complex character. 471 00:25:13,727 --> 00:25:16,628 It wasn't just him, it was part society. 472 00:25:21,768 --> 00:25:23,935 We were looking for a celebrity... 473 00:25:23,937 --> 00:25:27,706 and I... I don't think we wanted an all-white cast anymore, 474 00:25:27,708 --> 00:25:30,442 as we did for the Police Squad TV show. 475 00:25:31,979 --> 00:25:35,447 This was something that, you know, kinda looked better... 476 00:25:35,449 --> 00:25:36,449 for us. 477 00:25:38,919 --> 00:25:42,621 He was still in the public eye, but yet he was economical, 478 00:25:42,623 --> 00:25:45,390 because I don't think he was in demand for movies. 479 00:25:45,392 --> 00:25:47,993 Police! Throw down your guns! 480 00:25:47,995 --> 00:25:50,962 O.J. was fine for Naked Gun. 481 00:25:50,964 --> 00:25:52,597 There was nobody better. 482 00:25:58,238 --> 00:25:59,904 Ahh! 483 00:26:02,009 --> 00:26:03,009 Oh, no! 484 00:26:04,678 --> 00:26:06,945 Naked Gun surprised me... 485 00:26:09,116 --> 00:26:10,482 How funny he was. 486 00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:11,983 He's a funny man. 487 00:26:11,985 --> 00:26:14,919 I mean, he was always a very funny man. 488 00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:17,822 And he was always a selflessly funny man. 489 00:26:17,824 --> 00:26:18,990 - Nordberg! - Hiya, buddy! 490 00:26:18,992 --> 00:26:20,592 Hey! 491 00:26:20,594 --> 00:26:22,861 The doc says I should be on my feet and as good as new in a week! 492 00:26:22,863 --> 00:26:26,264 - And back on the force. - Nordberg, that's wonderful! 493 00:26:27,601 --> 00:26:28,967 Whoa! 494 00:26:28,969 --> 00:26:31,603 Oh, Frank! Everyone should have a friend like you! 495 00:26:37,044 --> 00:26:39,611 I used to take a lot of cops over to O.J.'s house, 496 00:26:39,613 --> 00:26:43,148 and I would never tell them who we were going to meet. 497 00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:45,884 And I just loved looking at the expression 498 00:26:45,886 --> 00:26:47,952 on my partner's face 499 00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:50,722 when they looked and saw O.J. opening the door, 500 00:26:50,724 --> 00:26:52,223 and it was just like looking at... 501 00:26:52,225 --> 00:26:54,559 You know, 'cause some of these guys, you know, macho cops. 502 00:26:54,561 --> 00:26:57,062 "Hey," you know, "I'm LAPD". 503 00:26:57,064 --> 00:27:02,967 And you could see them melt like little kids around this guy. 504 00:27:02,969 --> 00:27:06,671 Everybody loved O.J. Simpson, all the cops. 505 00:27:06,673 --> 00:27:09,007 If you asked him for an autograph, you asked him for whatever, 506 00:27:09,009 --> 00:27:11,810 I mean, he was just really, like, your best friend. 507 00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:18,083 Now, let's take a look at today's black culture 508 00:27:18,085 --> 00:27:19,451 in the city of Los Angeles. 509 00:27:20,554 --> 00:27:22,921 The most important point that should be considered 510 00:27:22,923 --> 00:27:24,923 in a law-enforcement setting involving blacks 511 00:27:24,925 --> 00:27:27,092 is the matter of respect. 512 00:27:27,928 --> 00:27:30,762 Everyone should be treated in a respectful manner. 513 00:27:30,764 --> 00:27:33,231 Okay, 4-23, you see that, uh, male black. 514 00:27:33,233 --> 00:27:34,666 He's walking on the north side of the street there 515 00:27:34,668 --> 00:27:36,101 on your right side. 516 00:27:36,103 --> 00:27:37,823 Slow down. That's one of the suspects there. 517 00:27:41,074 --> 00:27:43,541 People who have been abused by the police 518 00:27:43,543 --> 00:27:45,076 have no regard for them. 519 00:27:45,912 --> 00:27:48,079 They don't believe that the police comes 520 00:27:48,081 --> 00:27:51,449 to protect them, comes to serve them. 521 00:27:51,451 --> 00:27:53,618 That would be an unfortunate error in judgment 522 00:27:53,620 --> 00:27:56,588 for you to conclude that all persons of a particular group 523 00:27:56,590 --> 00:28:00,191 are similar to the few you have contact while you are working. 524 00:28:00,193 --> 00:28:02,694 We're sorry if, you know, it's our job too. 525 00:28:02,696 --> 00:28:04,929 that... that we've had to do this. 526 00:28:04,931 --> 00:28:06,097 We just can't let you go. 527 00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:08,299 Look how I look. 528 00:28:08,301 --> 00:28:12,237 I'm light, bright, but damn sure not white. Okay? 529 00:28:12,239 --> 00:28:16,040 But the reality is, when I'm stopped by the police, 530 00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:17,562 you know, they treat me like a nigger. 531 00:28:18,445 --> 00:28:22,914 Okay, let's roll, and let's be careful out there. 532 00:28:22,916 --> 00:28:26,951 In 1978, Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates apologized 533 00:28:26,953 --> 00:28:30,488 after saying some Hispanic officers don't advance in the ranks 534 00:28:30,490 --> 00:28:32,590 because they are, quote, "lazy", 535 00:28:32,592 --> 00:28:34,926 and now an NAACP official 536 00:28:34,928 --> 00:28:36,895 is calling a comment by Chief Gates, 537 00:28:36,897 --> 00:28:39,597 quote, "so horrendous that it's laughable." 538 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,100 It all started when he first defended 539 00:28:42,102 --> 00:28:43,735 controversial choke holds. 540 00:28:45,105 --> 00:28:47,272 A number of African-American suspects had died 541 00:28:47,274 --> 00:28:49,741 after being subjected to a choke hold, 542 00:28:49,743 --> 00:28:51,910 and Gates was asked about it, and he said the problem was 543 00:28:51,912 --> 00:28:54,779 that they didn't respond the same as normal people. 544 00:28:54,781 --> 00:28:58,683 The chief needs some time off to remove his foot from his mouth 545 00:28:58,685 --> 00:29:02,520 and LAPD's choke hold from the necks of black people. 546 00:29:02,522 --> 00:29:04,522 When I started covering the police department, 547 00:29:04,524 --> 00:29:08,126 you could feel the residue of that comment. 548 00:29:08,128 --> 00:29:10,328 In fact, police officers used to refer to the cars, 549 00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:12,630 which normally people would call black-and-whites, 550 00:29:12,632 --> 00:29:14,112 they called them "black-and-normals". 551 00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,936 And they would call them that in front of a reporter, by the way. 552 00:29:17,938 --> 00:29:21,105 So it's safe to say that it was a sort of easy, 553 00:29:21,107 --> 00:29:23,007 call it racial insensitivity, call it racism, 554 00:29:23,009 --> 00:29:24,075 within the department. 555 00:29:26,012 --> 00:29:29,914 I moved to LA in 1988. 556 00:29:30,884 --> 00:29:34,786 I had a really good friend who lived there, and she said, 557 00:29:34,788 --> 00:29:38,356 "I have to give you the black man's guide to survival in LA. 558 00:29:38,358 --> 00:29:41,459 Whatever you do, don't fuck with LAPD." 559 00:29:45,065 --> 00:29:48,233 In Los Angeles it was a day filled with tension in many communities, 560 00:29:48,235 --> 00:29:50,869 because of the current wave of gang warfare. 561 00:29:50,871 --> 00:29:52,704 I feel like a prisoner on the streets. 562 00:29:52,706 --> 00:29:55,206 This city has vowed to stop gang violence, 563 00:29:55,208 --> 00:29:57,876 but as police hunt the people responsible, 564 00:29:57,878 --> 00:30:00,044 they must follow a trail of bodies. 565 00:30:00,046 --> 00:30:02,013 We're gonna do whatever's necessary, 566 00:30:02,015 --> 00:30:04,415 and I told my people we're gonna wage a war. 567 00:30:09,022 --> 00:30:10,521 Operation Hammer, 568 00:30:10,523 --> 00:30:14,926 that was the belief that we overwhelm the community 569 00:30:14,928 --> 00:30:19,264 with warrants where we believe that we had violent criminals, 570 00:30:19,266 --> 00:30:22,934 we could rid the problem. 571 00:30:22,936 --> 00:30:24,369 Ladies, down on the ground! 572 00:30:24,371 --> 00:30:26,271 Put your hands down, kneel over there! 573 00:30:26,273 --> 00:30:28,439 Over the past week or so, Chief Gates, 574 00:30:28,441 --> 00:30:29,874 how many arrests have you made? 575 00:30:29,876 --> 00:30:34,012 Well, in the last month we've made, uh, about 3,000 arrests. 576 00:30:34,014 --> 00:30:36,848 Uh, just in the last weekend we made, uh, 1,400. 577 00:30:39,352 --> 00:30:44,555 You just have a culture of officers who felt that, 578 00:30:44,557 --> 00:30:47,025 uh, the only way the world will survive 579 00:30:47,027 --> 00:30:49,794 is if we neutralize these individuals 580 00:30:49,796 --> 00:30:51,562 as soon as possible. 581 00:30:51,564 --> 00:30:52,564 Hands down, man. 582 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,199 And in the process of doing that, 583 00:30:55,201 --> 00:30:57,669 they debased and demeaned the community. 584 00:31:02,475 --> 00:31:03,475 You understand me? 585 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,113 There was no conversation with the community about 586 00:31:09,115 --> 00:31:10,882 "How should we deal with this?" 587 00:31:10,884 --> 00:31:13,885 It was just hammer, hammer, hammer. 588 00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:22,093 We have a war. We are going to be successful. 589 00:31:22,095 --> 00:31:24,395 Whatever it takes, we will do it. 590 00:31:34,574 --> 00:31:37,342 I'd just put the kids into bed, and the next thing I know, 591 00:31:37,344 --> 00:31:39,277 they just came in with guns and they were saying, "Get down", 592 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,079 and they grabbed me by the back of my head, 593 00:31:41,081 --> 00:31:42,246 and he threw me on the floor, 594 00:31:42,248 --> 00:31:44,682 then they kicked me, and they hit me on my back, 595 00:31:44,684 --> 00:31:46,150 and they said, "Get down, bitch." 596 00:31:46,152 --> 00:31:48,152 And then the kids were just hollerin' and screamin'. 597 00:31:48,154 --> 00:31:49,087 And the next thing I know 598 00:31:49,089 --> 00:31:50,655 they were just tearing the place up. 599 00:31:51,992 --> 00:31:55,360 1988, 39th and Dalton. 600 00:32:03,803 --> 00:32:06,004 Not the best police practices. 601 00:32:06,006 --> 00:32:10,008 Not the best way to manage a, uh... a warrant service. 602 00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:12,276 Everything was destroyed as police 603 00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,612 batted and rammed their way from room to room 604 00:32:14,614 --> 00:32:16,114 searching for drugs. 605 00:32:16,116 --> 00:32:19,384 Much of what they found were screaming mothers and children. 606 00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:22,520 This is my bedroom over here, 607 00:32:22,522 --> 00:32:25,256 but they even broke all the mirrors and stuff out of the bed. 608 00:32:27,727 --> 00:32:30,995 They went in and literally destroyed the apartment 609 00:32:30,997 --> 00:32:35,700 where supposedly a lot of drug activity was going on. 610 00:32:35,702 --> 00:32:39,570 All this resulted in three quarters of an ounce of rock cocaine seized 611 00:32:39,572 --> 00:32:41,639 along with six ounces of pot. 612 00:32:43,643 --> 00:32:46,344 You wouldn't go to Beverly Hills and do that, 613 00:32:46,346 --> 00:32:48,913 even if you thought there was a... a mafia hangout. 614 00:32:50,984 --> 00:32:52,717 Even if you thought it was legitimate. 615 00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:57,221 I called my insurance, and I told them what happened. 616 00:32:57,223 --> 00:32:59,924 He said he had never heard of the police doing this. 617 00:33:01,761 --> 00:33:07,732 When you don't live in the community, you don't think of 'em as human. 618 00:33:07,734 --> 00:33:10,068 In my wildest dreams, would have never thought 619 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:13,738 the police of the city of Los Angeles would treat someone that way. 620 00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:15,006 They started kicking me. 621 00:33:16,876 --> 00:33:18,342 What they tell ya? 622 00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:19,444 They didn't tell me nothin', 623 00:33:19,446 --> 00:33:20,778 they started kicking me and hitting me 624 00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:21,679 on my ribs and stuff. 625 00:33:21,681 --> 00:33:27,085 Chief Gates, we're proud of you, We're proud to wear the 'PD blue. 626 00:33:29,122 --> 00:33:32,523 You'd go to the power of LAPD back then. 627 00:33:32,525 --> 00:33:35,993 They pretty much could do what they wanted to do. 628 00:33:44,537 --> 00:33:45,537 Yeah. 629 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,907 Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson, and this season on HBO, 630 00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:52,343 I'm gonna be high-stepping right into your living room. 631 00:33:53,947 --> 00:33:55,107 All right, we'll do it again. 632 00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:58,082 When O.J. was at SC, 633 00:33:58,084 --> 00:34:01,152 in my generation you didn't have the jerseys you could go buy, 634 00:34:01,154 --> 00:34:03,788 so I would take my T-shirts and write "Simpson", 635 00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:05,089 and I'd put, you know, 636 00:34:05,091 --> 00:34:08,893 like, you know, his number, 32, and, "Okay, I'm O.J." 637 00:34:08,895 --> 00:34:11,963 Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson, and this season on HBO, 638 00:34:11,965 --> 00:34:13,898 I'm gonna be high-stepping right into your living room. 639 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,334 I just thought, "One day, I wanna meet this guy." 640 00:34:16,336 --> 00:34:17,802 Okay, what's the next one? 641 00:34:18,605 --> 00:34:20,471 And it was through Marcus Allen. 642 00:34:20,473 --> 00:34:22,907 Follow me through Training Camp, and I guarantee that I'll... 643 00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:24,775 Hey, Juice, I did hear my name. 644 00:34:24,777 --> 00:34:26,310 Hey, man, this is my spot, Marcus. 645 00:34:26,312 --> 00:34:27,432 Well, I've got the ball now. 646 00:34:28,248 --> 00:34:31,616 I'd been marketing Marcus for a few years. 647 00:34:31,618 --> 00:34:33,084 And I told him, uh, 648 00:34:33,086 --> 00:34:36,087 "O.J. ever needs a manager, let me know." 649 00:34:36,089 --> 00:34:38,923 Training Camp is a time to show what you can do. 650 00:34:38,925 --> 00:34:40,858 It's a time to show off your skills. 651 00:34:42,095 --> 00:34:44,095 You can prove yourself as a man. 652 00:34:44,864 --> 00:34:46,030 Blah, blah, blah. 653 00:34:46,032 --> 00:34:48,266 I did public appearances, endorsements, 654 00:34:48,268 --> 00:34:49,367 TV commercials... 655 00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:50,868 ... autograph signings, 656 00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:54,539 basically everything encompassing his image. 657 00:34:54,541 --> 00:34:56,073 This week in Training Camp... 658 00:34:56,976 --> 00:34:58,910 This week in Training Camp... 659 00:35:00,013 --> 00:35:02,980 This week in Training Camp... No. 660 00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:06,817 The big thing that has always been in everybody's head is image. 661 00:35:06,819 --> 00:35:07,618 Image is everything. 662 00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:13,191 Never do anything that is going to harm his image. 663 00:35:14,861 --> 00:35:15,826 Thank you guys. 664 00:35:15,828 --> 00:35:17,295 I remember he had a... 665 00:35:17,297 --> 00:35:20,531 a little hundred-yard dash with Marcus Allen one day. 666 00:35:20,533 --> 00:35:23,534 And he had bad knees, O.J., from all the running. 667 00:35:23,536 --> 00:35:26,070 And he beat fuckin' Marcus. I couldn't believe it. 668 00:35:26,072 --> 00:35:27,371 It's something inside of him. 669 00:35:28,241 --> 00:35:31,542 He wanted to win, no matter what it took. 670 00:35:31,544 --> 00:35:34,478 Chopping through that swing. And look out. 671 00:35:35,281 --> 00:35:40,117 When he first started playing golf, he violated every rule. 672 00:35:41,487 --> 00:35:44,155 Okay. He's gotta work on his balance a little bit. 673 00:35:44,157 --> 00:35:46,657 I played with O.J. and this other friend, 674 00:35:46,659 --> 00:35:48,392 Little Joe Kolkowitz. 675 00:35:49,896 --> 00:35:53,097 O.J. had the worst form of anybody on this planet 676 00:35:53,099 --> 00:35:54,599 when he swung a golf club. 677 00:35:56,836 --> 00:36:01,072 One day, on the first tee, he hits this big drive, 678 00:36:01,074 --> 00:36:03,908 and it hooks into the trees, heavy stuff. 679 00:36:05,178 --> 00:36:07,912 So we go down the fairway, we're waiting and waiting 680 00:36:07,914 --> 00:36:09,947 'til Joe goes after him. 681 00:36:09,949 --> 00:36:12,083 All of a sudden, he finds his ball 682 00:36:12,085 --> 00:36:14,085 after a place where we probably went over. 683 00:36:16,589 --> 00:36:20,958 He sees the ball sitting on a tee, and he says to O.J., 684 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,326 "You can't do this shit, man." 685 00:36:23,796 --> 00:36:25,463 I go, "Jeez, come on." 686 00:36:25,465 --> 00:36:29,634 "Do you know what the odds of the ball landing on a tee 687 00:36:29,636 --> 00:36:31,235 in this area... ?" 688 00:36:31,237 --> 00:36:35,306 He totally was not going to confess to the whole thing. 689 00:36:36,743 --> 00:36:38,476 He definitely cheated. 690 00:36:38,911 --> 00:36:40,344 Yes. Yes. 691 00:36:42,048 --> 00:36:45,116 What he'd do, he had a ball in his pants, 692 00:36:45,118 --> 00:36:46,817 and he'd drop it out and then, 693 00:36:46,819 --> 00:36:47,918 "Hey, you guys, come on over here." 694 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,520 You know, "Here's my ball." 695 00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:52,790 And he did that to the point where finally 696 00:36:52,792 --> 00:36:56,794 a bunch of guys got together, and they hired a caddy. 697 00:36:56,796 --> 00:36:58,396 We called it The Juice Patrol. 698 00:36:59,999 --> 00:37:02,233 And so he'd follow O.J. around in another cart, 699 00:37:02,235 --> 00:37:04,802 so he wouldn't cheat. 700 00:37:04,804 --> 00:37:08,005 It was funny. It was, you know, it was like you couldn't get mad. 701 00:37:08,007 --> 00:37:09,907 It was very hard to get mad at him. 702 00:37:13,613 --> 00:37:16,347 One of the things you pride yourself in in being a golfer 703 00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:17,682 is you don't cheat, 704 00:37:18,951 --> 00:37:21,652 but people made a joke out of it, 705 00:37:21,654 --> 00:37:24,989 because they so badly wanted him to understand 706 00:37:24,991 --> 00:37:28,025 the rules and regulations of this part of society 707 00:37:28,027 --> 00:37:30,494 that didn't tolerate that type of behavior. 708 00:37:30,496 --> 00:37:33,497 And yet he had that amazing charm 709 00:37:33,499 --> 00:37:36,734 that you'd somehow let him get away with certain things. 710 00:37:38,538 --> 00:37:40,971 Juice! Juice! 711 00:37:40,973 --> 00:37:42,707 Juice! Juice! 712 00:37:44,043 --> 00:37:45,009 Touchdown! 713 00:37:45,011 --> 00:37:46,977 Whenever you went somewhere with him, 714 00:37:46,979 --> 00:37:48,546 like, doors would just open, 715 00:37:48,548 --> 00:37:51,582 and, you know, people would pick up checks. 716 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,652 I'd say to him, "Hey, Juice, 717 00:37:54,654 --> 00:37:57,154 how are we going to get in... somewhere? 718 00:37:57,156 --> 00:37:58,656 We don't have any tickets." 719 00:37:58,658 --> 00:37:59,924 He would go like this... 720 00:38:02,061 --> 00:38:03,994 He... That's his ticket. 721 00:38:03,996 --> 00:38:06,297 I think he became entitled. 722 00:38:09,035 --> 00:38:14,038 I certainly felt bedazzled by O.J. and Nicole and their lifestyle, 723 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,741 and I was very charmed by him, 724 00:38:18,244 --> 00:38:24,048 but I always did sense that part of it was not sincere. 725 00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:26,250 The other side is my better side, I think. 726 00:38:26,252 --> 00:38:27,485 Turn the other side for me. 727 00:38:27,487 --> 00:38:30,888 And I did feel that he took advantage of that. 728 00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:36,560 And if you allowed him to, I think he would, uh, use you. 729 00:38:36,562 --> 00:38:37,602 All right, we're set here. 730 00:38:38,498 --> 00:38:40,498 My kissable lips, ooh. 731 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,534 While he was married, his integrity was... 732 00:38:43,536 --> 00:38:48,072 I mean, uh... not as I would have it. 733 00:38:48,074 --> 00:38:49,306 I will put it that way. 734 00:38:51,444 --> 00:38:54,378 He was an incorrigible womanizer. 735 00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:55,780 He just never stopped. 736 00:38:57,183 --> 00:39:00,951 He cornered me a couple times and tried to make, uh, 737 00:39:00,953 --> 00:39:06,023 sexual, you know, advance and, you know, I kind of pushed him off. 738 00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:11,962 I think O.J. felt entitled to anything O.J. wanted, 739 00:39:13,399 --> 00:39:17,701 and I think that he really needed that adulation from other women. 740 00:39:19,906 --> 00:39:23,107 She knew he had affairs, and it drove her crazy. 741 00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:24,542 Most of their big fights 742 00:39:24,544 --> 00:39:26,310 were about his affairs with other women. 743 00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:31,949 He went out of his way to almost rub it in her face. 744 00:39:31,951 --> 00:39:35,085 He'd be in Las Vegas at a show and be holding hands 745 00:39:35,087 --> 00:39:36,987 with another woman. 746 00:39:36,989 --> 00:39:39,790 She would be watching TV, and, I mean, 747 00:39:39,792 --> 00:39:41,392 I don't know how she put up with it. 748 00:39:42,962 --> 00:39:44,562 He was pretty darn brazen. 749 00:39:45,631 --> 00:39:47,965 I think he even blamed his affair with Tawny Kitaen 750 00:39:47,967 --> 00:39:50,935 on the fact that Nicole got fat when she got pregnant. 751 00:39:50,937 --> 00:39:52,603 And he didn't wanna have sex with her. 752 00:39:52,605 --> 00:39:55,906 Something as superficial and cold as that. 753 00:39:56,976 --> 00:40:00,578 Â♪ ... on the hammock, take a little swing. Â♪ 754 00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:02,480 Look! See the trees? 755 00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:08,018 I told him, "Man, you're breaking the laws of God, 756 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:12,022 and nobody does it with immunity. 757 00:40:12,859 --> 00:40:14,592 You're gonna pay for it, man. 758 00:40:16,596 --> 00:40:20,831 One day everybody's gonna know everything that you've done, man." 759 00:40:53,366 --> 00:40:55,666 When you hear a call come out, 760 00:40:55,668 --> 00:40:59,670 and the 911 operator puts out on the call 761 00:40:59,672 --> 00:41:04,308 that she can hear the woman being beaten in the background, 762 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:06,076 that... that's serious. 763 00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:11,215 When I got there, 764 00:41:11,217 --> 00:41:16,987 I saw an electronic buzzer system, so I pushed the button. 765 00:41:16,989 --> 00:41:20,691 Almost simultaneously, a tall, female blonde 766 00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:23,227 came running out of the bushes. 767 00:41:24,263 --> 00:41:28,365 She's wearing nothin' but a bra and sweatpants, 768 00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:29,600 covered in mud. 769 00:41:29,602 --> 00:41:30,601 And she kept yelling, 770 00:41:30,603 --> 00:41:32,203 "He's gonna kill me! He's gonna kill me!" 771 00:41:34,106 --> 00:41:36,073 When that gate opened, she ran up 772 00:41:36,075 --> 00:41:39,243 and just put her arms around me and clasped on me. 773 00:41:41,047 --> 00:41:43,447 She was so wet and cold 774 00:41:43,449 --> 00:41:45,950 that you could feel her shivering to her bone. 775 00:41:47,053 --> 00:41:49,687 And I said, "Well, who's gonna kill you?" 776 00:41:49,689 --> 00:41:51,088 She said, "O.J." 777 00:41:51,891 --> 00:41:55,125 She says, "You guys have been up here eight times before. 778 00:41:55,127 --> 00:41:58,195 All you do is talk to him, you never do anything. 779 00:41:58,197 --> 00:41:59,930 He's gonna kill me." 780 00:42:00,967 --> 00:42:03,067 Her face had already swollen. 781 00:42:03,069 --> 00:42:05,135 She actually had an imprint 782 00:42:05,137 --> 00:42:08,038 on one side of her face and her forehead. 783 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,975 So I said, "Do you want him arrested for beating you?" 784 00:42:10,977 --> 00:42:11,977 She said, "Yes." 785 00:42:13,713 --> 00:42:18,449 About that time, O.J. Simpson came right up to the fence, 786 00:42:18,451 --> 00:42:20,017 and he started yelling, 787 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:22,987 "I don't want her in my bed anymore. 788 00:42:22,989 --> 00:42:23,954 I got two other women. 789 00:42:23,956 --> 00:42:25,856 I don't want her in my bed anymore." 790 00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:30,628 He's got a receding hairline, so you can see his forehead, 791 00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:34,498 and this vein was popping out, pulsating, 792 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,667 and it was right up his forehead. 793 00:42:37,937 --> 00:42:41,939 I told him, "I'm placing you under arrest for beating your wife. 794 00:42:41,941 --> 00:42:45,409 You're gonna have to go get dressed so I can take you to jail." 795 00:42:46,912 --> 00:42:50,981 He turned around and went back in the house to get dressed. 796 00:42:52,351 --> 00:42:57,287 Suddenly I saw a Bentley pull out of the other driveway. 797 00:42:58,691 --> 00:43:01,058 So I said, "Back up. He's trying to get away in a car." 798 00:43:02,795 --> 00:43:06,997 And we backed out of the driveway, and I never caught him with that car. 799 00:43:06,999 --> 00:43:08,565 I never found him. 800 00:43:13,805 --> 00:43:15,672 Downtown Los Angeles, little ocean haze. 801 00:43:15,675 --> 00:43:19,209 There is no smog today, everybody's takin' it easy. 802 00:43:19,211 --> 00:43:23,814 Here at the 75th Rose Bowl game, score 7-3. 803 00:43:23,816 --> 00:43:27,117 1989, Trojans were in the Rose Bowl. 804 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,120 I was privileged enough to... to have sideline passes 805 00:43:30,122 --> 00:43:33,223 and that was actually the first time I'd ever been to a Rose Bowl game 806 00:43:33,225 --> 00:43:35,559 on the sidelines, 'cause when I was a walk-on at USC, 807 00:43:35,561 --> 00:43:36,493 I never got to play. 808 00:43:38,731 --> 00:43:41,965 I was just having the time of my life. 809 00:43:41,967 --> 00:43:44,635 All of a sudden, one of O.J.'s really, really good friends 810 00:43:44,637 --> 00:43:46,403 came up and tapped me on the shoulder. 811 00:43:46,405 --> 00:43:50,708 He said, "Hey, man, uh, O.J. had a problem last night, you know, 812 00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:54,178 and, uh, he really needs to talk to you." 813 00:43:57,049 --> 00:43:57,915 It's over. 814 00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:05,522 When I called, he said, "Hey, man, I had a little riff. 815 00:44:05,524 --> 00:44:06,724 Boys had to come out. 816 00:44:07,526 --> 00:44:09,046 Right now I feel like I'm a fugitive." 817 00:44:10,096 --> 00:44:13,097 And he explained to me that they had an argument, 818 00:44:13,099 --> 00:44:15,332 and she got real physical with him, 819 00:44:15,334 --> 00:44:18,435 and he had to defend himself and grab her and hold her... 820 00:44:18,437 --> 00:44:20,771 The way he... he told me the story, I'm thinkin', 821 00:44:20,773 --> 00:44:23,874 "Hey, man, no big deal. You know? Um, you didn't hit her. 822 00:44:23,876 --> 00:44:25,442 You know, you said she was aggressive, 823 00:44:25,444 --> 00:44:27,111 and you were trying to stop her from... 824 00:44:27,113 --> 00:44:31,081 from beating you up. Um, no big deal." 825 00:44:31,083 --> 00:44:33,951 And... And when I got to work the next morning, it was a big deal. 826 00:44:38,958 --> 00:44:43,060 I got a call from downstairs, "Someone wants to talk to you," 827 00:44:43,062 --> 00:44:45,129 and there's Nicole in the lobby. 828 00:44:46,098 --> 00:44:47,698 "Hey, Nicole, what's up?" 829 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,266 You know, she... she goes, "Did you hear about what happened?" 830 00:44:49,268 --> 00:44:51,268 I said, "Yeah, I did hear what happened." 831 00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:53,337 And she told me it wasn't the first time. 832 00:44:54,907 --> 00:44:57,074 Showed me the pictures from the past... 833 00:44:57,076 --> 00:44:59,610 ... beatings, and I looked at those pictures 834 00:44:59,612 --> 00:45:01,845 and my heart just... just, like, dropped. 835 00:45:03,048 --> 00:45:05,449 I was like, "Man, this guy is a typical batterer." 836 00:45:07,887 --> 00:45:12,890 The '89 thing, the way I saw him act in Hawaii that Christmas 837 00:45:12,892 --> 00:45:14,224 convinced me that, um, 838 00:45:14,226 --> 00:45:16,894 boy, there was something really, really wrong. 839 00:45:19,565 --> 00:45:24,067 He freaked out about Nicole sitting their little son 840 00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:29,106 next to a homosexual in a restaurant they were at. 841 00:45:29,108 --> 00:45:30,407 I mean, he just freaked. 842 00:45:31,744 --> 00:45:34,611 And they fought all the way back. 843 00:45:34,613 --> 00:45:39,583 The next day I got a call that, uh, he freaked out on New Year's Eve, 844 00:45:39,585 --> 00:45:42,252 and he beat the hell out of her. 845 00:45:42,254 --> 00:45:45,455 Nicole knew that I used to teach domestic violence 846 00:45:45,457 --> 00:45:46,977 for the Los Angeles Police Department. 847 00:45:47,293 --> 00:45:48,992 And she asked me, 848 00:45:49,862 --> 00:45:51,028 "O.J.'s dad is gay. 849 00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:56,066 Do you think this is why he beats me?" 850 00:45:57,937 --> 00:46:01,171 And I was like, "I... I, you know, I don't know, 851 00:46:02,441 --> 00:46:04,842 but a lot of that stuff has to do with their self-esteem." 852 00:46:09,648 --> 00:46:10,948 O.J. Simpson that night 853 00:46:11,851 --> 00:46:13,884 definitely got preferential treatment. 854 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,289 Had that have been anybody else, you or me, we'd have gone to jail. 855 00:46:22,695 --> 00:46:23,861 I did place him under arrest. 856 00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:27,030 I tried my best, but couldn't get to him. 857 00:46:28,234 --> 00:46:30,968 But when you tell someone they're under arrest, 858 00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:32,236 they are under arrest. 859 00:46:33,138 --> 00:46:35,806 If he flees, then, he's a fleeing felony. 860 00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:43,547 But the unique thing about O.J. is it was O.J. 861 00:46:43,549 --> 00:46:47,217 Where can he go? Where can he hide? 862 00:46:48,687 --> 00:46:49,953 Where can he run to... 863 00:46:51,257 --> 00:46:53,123 on the face of this earth? 864 00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:56,560 Where can he go? 865 00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:42,539 Now the story that might never have surfaced 866 00:47:42,541 --> 00:47:44,808 if someone hadn't picked up his home video camera. 867 00:47:47,046 --> 00:47:50,914 I can remember that moment like it was yesterday. 868 00:47:50,916 --> 00:47:53,450 I was laying in my bed, and I called out to my wife. 869 00:47:53,452 --> 00:47:55,986 I said, "You gotta come see, you can't believe this." 870 00:47:57,556 --> 00:48:02,059 How will the police justify this one? 871 00:48:02,061 --> 00:48:04,861 How will they get out of this one? 872 00:48:06,432 --> 00:48:09,566 Police say the man, 25-year-old Rodney King, 873 00:48:09,568 --> 00:48:14,237 was involved in a high-speed chase, wanted as a parole violator. 874 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,673 The police department says there will be no comment 875 00:48:16,675 --> 00:48:18,575 until its investigation is complete. 876 00:48:18,577 --> 00:48:21,078 As yet, no charges have been filed. 877 00:48:22,781 --> 00:48:26,950 This is what happens when you take away a tool 878 00:48:26,952 --> 00:48:30,020 that would have ended this in 10 seconds. 879 00:48:32,358 --> 00:48:33,390 Choke hold. 880 00:48:38,330 --> 00:48:41,898 Look how this thing looks. You can't justify that. 881 00:48:46,138 --> 00:48:48,105 I was the captain at Watts at the time. 882 00:48:48,107 --> 00:48:49,506 Atten-hut. 883 00:48:49,508 --> 00:48:52,042 The next day, we had a training day. 884 00:48:52,044 --> 00:48:56,947 I remember standing in front of all of the troops, and I told them, 885 00:48:56,949 --> 00:49:01,184 "The LAPD will never be the same again." 886 00:49:04,056 --> 00:49:05,522 Oh, it was devastating, 887 00:49:05,524 --> 00:49:08,525 because there's gonna be a belief that if these guys do it, 888 00:49:08,527 --> 00:49:10,293 everybody else does it. 889 00:49:10,295 --> 00:49:12,829 Those guys driving down the street in the black-and-white do that. 890 00:49:12,831 --> 00:49:14,297 And that's just not the case. 891 00:49:15,234 --> 00:49:18,635 But that visual image, folks remember that, 892 00:49:18,637 --> 00:49:20,837 and they will take it to their grave. 893 00:49:20,839 --> 00:49:23,040 That home video showing a black motorist 894 00:49:23,042 --> 00:49:25,308 being beaten by a white Los Angeles policeman 895 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:28,045 has triggered investigations now by the FBI, 896 00:49:28,047 --> 00:49:29,346 the district attorney there, 897 00:49:29,348 --> 00:49:30,981 and the police department itself. 898 00:49:30,983 --> 00:49:35,886 The media didn't give LAPD a break on this one. 899 00:49:35,888 --> 00:49:39,923 They showed that tape over and over and over. 900 00:49:39,925 --> 00:49:41,925 I mean, it wasn't just in Los Angeles. 901 00:49:41,927 --> 00:49:43,593 It was all over the world. 902 00:49:46,732 --> 00:49:48,732 I was embarrassed for Los Angeles. 903 00:49:50,736 --> 00:49:54,871 The real significance wasn't what you saw on the tape. 904 00:49:54,873 --> 00:49:57,040 That tape became exhibit one 905 00:49:57,042 --> 00:50:01,578 for every mishandled abuse and excessive force incident 906 00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:03,580 that anyone had ever experienced. 907 00:50:03,582 --> 00:50:05,115 This is an aberration. 908 00:50:05,117 --> 00:50:07,384 This is something that should never have happened. 909 00:50:07,386 --> 00:50:10,720 We had in place all of the procedures 910 00:50:10,722 --> 00:50:12,956 that would keep it from happening. 911 00:50:12,958 --> 00:50:15,892 Those procedures fell down because of human error. 912 00:50:15,894 --> 00:50:18,795 And we will deal with that human error. 913 00:50:18,797 --> 00:50:22,933 I believe things like that do happen from time to time, 914 00:50:22,935 --> 00:50:24,134 but they are anomalies. 915 00:50:24,136 --> 00:50:26,937 That's not what happens all day, every day 916 00:50:26,939 --> 00:50:29,473 in the thousands of contacts that occur. 917 00:50:29,475 --> 00:50:31,408 I don't believe it. I'll never believe it. 918 00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:34,511 Daryl Gates started out saying it was an aberration. 919 00:50:36,081 --> 00:50:40,317 And we say, "Darryl, don't you remember Eulia Love?" 920 00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:45,789 I think the thing that's most shocking about the King incident 921 00:50:45,791 --> 00:50:47,324 isn't even what happens to King. 922 00:50:48,427 --> 00:50:50,327 It's the fact that all those officers 923 00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:52,963 go back to their police divisions that night, 924 00:50:52,965 --> 00:50:56,066 none of them knowing that a video tape exists. 925 00:50:56,068 --> 00:50:58,001 They all file their reports 926 00:50:58,003 --> 00:51:01,438 and not one of 'em says, in any document, 927 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,073 that they saw anything go wrong. 928 00:51:04,276 --> 00:51:07,410 That suggests to me a culture in which 929 00:51:07,412 --> 00:51:10,080 this wasn't perceived as something wrong. 930 00:51:11,984 --> 00:51:13,316 In Los Angeles today, 931 00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:16,319 four men were arrested, photographed, and fingerprinted. 932 00:51:16,321 --> 00:51:17,521 They were policemen, 933 00:51:17,523 --> 00:51:19,523 charged with assault with a deadly weapon 934 00:51:19,525 --> 00:51:21,691 in the beating of a black motorist. 935 00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:22,959 Named in the indictment: 936 00:51:22,961 --> 00:51:25,128 Officers Laurence Powell, Ted Briseno 937 00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:26,263 and Timothy Wind 938 00:51:26,265 --> 00:51:29,166 and their supervising sergeant, Stacey Koon. 939 00:51:29,168 --> 00:51:32,869 The FBI will investigate whether the federal civil rights 940 00:51:32,871 --> 00:51:35,872 of the victim, Rodney King, have been violated. 941 00:51:35,874 --> 00:51:38,842 A story is not a story unless there's conflict. 942 00:51:38,844 --> 00:51:41,011 Do you really wanna say this is a felon 943 00:51:41,013 --> 00:51:43,046 speeding on the freeway under the influence 944 00:51:43,048 --> 00:51:45,382 of a hallucinogenic and/or alcohol, 945 00:51:45,384 --> 00:51:47,184 or do you wanna say he's a "motorist", 946 00:51:47,186 --> 00:51:49,686 and he was stopped by these racist cops? 947 00:51:49,688 --> 00:51:51,208 How do you know these cops are racist? 948 00:51:51,857 --> 00:51:53,056 They are not racist. 949 00:51:53,992 --> 00:51:56,893 The furor is only growing with the revelations 950 00:51:56,895 --> 00:52:00,463 of police communications over their in-car computer terminals. 951 00:52:00,465 --> 00:52:02,866 An earlier message from the Powell-Wind unit 952 00:52:02,868 --> 00:52:06,436 referred to a previous call as "'right out of Gorillas in the Mist." 953 00:52:08,373 --> 00:52:10,707 Has there been times that we've been brutal, 954 00:52:10,709 --> 00:52:12,576 uh, used excessive force? 955 00:52:12,578 --> 00:52:14,044 Absolutely. 956 00:52:15,314 --> 00:52:19,482 The racist part is really tough to choke down for me. 957 00:52:19,484 --> 00:52:22,852 During my 38 years there, I didn't see it. 958 00:52:22,854 --> 00:52:26,056 Civil rights organizations say the Los Angeles police department 959 00:52:26,058 --> 00:52:28,758 has a history of brutality and misconduct 960 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,094 that goes back a quarter of a century, 961 00:52:31,096 --> 00:52:33,930 including one incident that sparked the Watts riots. 962 00:52:33,932 --> 00:52:38,902 We want effective law-enforcement in the city of Los Angeles. 963 00:52:38,904 --> 00:52:41,204 You take an oath to protect and serve, 964 00:52:41,206 --> 00:52:42,939 but when you come to the black community, 965 00:52:42,941 --> 00:52:44,975 all you do is abuse! 966 00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:46,910 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! 967 00:52:46,912 --> 00:52:51,615 You can only take so many shots publicly before your reputation 968 00:52:51,617 --> 00:52:56,486 is so soiled that it can be manipulated over and over again. 969 00:52:57,956 --> 00:53:01,591 That will always be included in the argument to demonstrate 970 00:53:01,593 --> 00:53:06,630 how brutal and insensitive and racist the LAPD is. 971 00:53:06,632 --> 00:53:09,966 It's like you can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. 972 00:53:09,968 --> 00:53:13,937 We're outraged, we're disgusted, and let's close this one with, 973 00:53:13,939 --> 00:53:19,276 No more! No more! No more! No more! No more! No more! 974 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:48,438 It comes to Latasha Harlins, coming to the counter 975 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,474 with what she was going to buy in one hand, 976 00:53:51,476 --> 00:53:53,543 money in the other. 977 00:53:56,948 --> 00:53:58,481 Altercation, 978 00:54:03,021 --> 00:54:04,688 walks away, 979 00:54:06,091 --> 00:54:08,992 is shot in the back of the head. 980 00:54:13,031 --> 00:54:15,532 Latasha Harlins really hit home, 981 00:54:15,534 --> 00:54:18,068 because my daughter was the same age as Latasha Harlins. 982 00:54:21,606 --> 00:54:25,008 Rodney King didn't touch me as much as Latasha Harlins, 983 00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:26,576 because this girl was killed. 984 00:54:28,814 --> 00:54:32,382 She was a little teenage girl buying some orange juice. 985 00:54:32,384 --> 00:54:33,384 Mm-mm. 986 00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:38,054 That... that could've been my child. 987 00:54:38,056 --> 00:54:39,522 Up until Saturday morning, 988 00:54:39,524 --> 00:54:43,026 Soon Ja Du was a Korean grocer in Los Angeles. 989 00:54:43,028 --> 00:54:44,661 Now she's an alleged criminal, 990 00:54:44,663 --> 00:54:47,364 facing a first-degree murder charge. 991 00:54:47,366 --> 00:54:51,000 Well, at this time, she's looking at a maximum of 30 years to life. 992 00:54:51,002 --> 00:54:54,037 According to witnesses and a security camera video tape, 993 00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,740 Harlins never tried to steal the juice. 994 00:54:56,742 --> 00:55:00,310 Instead, investigators say Du angrily confronted the girl 995 00:55:00,312 --> 00:55:03,046 and then shot her with a .38 caliber handgun. 996 00:55:03,048 --> 00:55:06,383 I hope and I know that justice will serve itself, 997 00:55:06,385 --> 00:55:08,385 and she will get what she deserved. 998 00:55:10,021 --> 00:55:14,591 Soon Ja Du had no respect for that young... 999 00:55:15,694 --> 00:55:19,562 The way they beat Rodney King, okay? 1000 00:55:19,564 --> 00:55:21,698 Her shooting Latasha Harlins... 1001 00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:26,302 It's the same people, okay, that are being victimized. 1002 00:55:28,774 --> 00:55:33,042 The recommendation of the people was maximum state prison. 1003 00:55:33,044 --> 00:55:36,212 I think that the death of Latasha deserved that. 1004 00:55:36,214 --> 00:55:38,348 The court decided otherwise. 1005 00:55:38,350 --> 00:55:41,084 Mrs. Du is placed on formal probation 1006 00:55:41,086 --> 00:55:44,120 for five years on the following terms and conditions. 1007 00:55:44,122 --> 00:55:48,758 Mrs. Du is to perform 400 hours of community service. 1008 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,926 Get the cameras off! 1009 00:55:51,596 --> 00:55:53,930 No cameras! Get the camera out of my face! 1010 00:55:53,932 --> 00:55:56,032 The judge called for peace. She said... 1011 00:55:56,034 --> 00:55:59,035 How can you have peace when...? 1012 00:55:59,037 --> 00:56:02,939 What? This woman killed a child. 1013 00:56:02,941 --> 00:56:06,109 She killed a child and not getting any jail time? 1014 00:56:06,111 --> 00:56:09,546 I... I... I haven't gotten over that, really. 1015 00:56:09,548 --> 00:56:17,787 Wake up, Los Angeles! Wake up! Let not her blood be in vain! 1016 00:56:17,789 --> 00:56:20,323 Latasha was killed, our family was killed. 1017 00:56:20,325 --> 00:56:22,058 - Yeah! - That's right! 1018 00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:25,562 Racism is not the Korean killing her, racism is the courts system... 1019 00:56:25,564 --> 00:56:27,484 - That's right! - ... that allows her to kill her. 1020 00:56:28,433 --> 00:56:29,732 Karlin must go! Karlin must go! 1021 00:56:29,734 --> 00:56:32,836 Chanting "Karlin must go", angry protestors 1022 00:56:32,838 --> 00:56:36,005 stormed through security checkpoints at the courthouse in Compton. 1023 00:56:38,477 --> 00:56:41,978 They are still outraged over Judge Joyce Karlin's decision 1024 00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:45,281 not to send Latasha Harlins' killer to jail. 1025 00:56:45,283 --> 00:56:49,018 They are willing to go to jail to get their point across. 1026 00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:51,788 In the community, you go to jail for selling crack 1027 00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:53,456 for 20 years, 20 and 30 years. 1028 00:56:53,458 --> 00:56:57,794 How you gonna kill somebody and get probation? 1029 00:56:57,796 --> 00:57:00,029 What kind of sense does that make? 1030 00:57:00,031 --> 00:57:01,664 What kind of justice is that? 1031 00:57:05,504 --> 00:57:07,070 39th and Dalton, 1032 00:57:09,975 --> 00:57:11,841 then Rodney King, 1033 00:57:12,777 --> 00:57:15,411 then Latasha Harlins. 1034 00:57:16,448 --> 00:57:20,617 Three defining issues in different ways, 1035 00:57:20,619 --> 00:57:22,852 but the tension in the environment 1036 00:57:22,854 --> 00:57:27,924 and the disrespect shown to Black life was the theme. 1037 00:57:33,865 --> 00:57:36,132 ESPN presents... 1038 00:57:38,503 --> 00:57:39,869 Sports Look 1039 00:57:41,006 --> 00:57:43,373 with the personalities and cover stories 1040 00:57:43,375 --> 00:57:45,775 making news in the world of sport. 1041 00:57:46,878 --> 00:57:50,246 Now, here's your host, Roy Firestone. 1042 00:57:50,248 --> 00:57:53,016 When you live your life so publicly and, uh, 1043 00:57:53,018 --> 00:57:56,152 really almost with such ease, 1044 00:57:56,154 --> 00:57:59,188 uh, it's hard to believe that there could ever be any rocky time. 1045 00:57:59,190 --> 00:58:00,690 The reason I'm bringing that to light now 1046 00:58:00,692 --> 00:58:02,392 is not to dredge it up again, 1047 00:58:02,394 --> 00:58:05,161 but more or less talk about how things can get distorted 1048 00:58:05,163 --> 00:58:08,064 to such a point that you are portrayed as the bad guy. 1049 00:58:08,066 --> 00:58:10,366 Um, New Year's Eve, 1050 00:58:10,368 --> 00:58:12,035 you had a little bit too much to drink. 1051 00:58:12,037 --> 00:58:13,069 - There was some... - Uh, you know, that's... 1052 00:58:13,071 --> 00:58:14,537 You know, actually, 1053 00:58:14,539 --> 00:58:16,839 you know, my wife and I have been together for 12 years 1054 00:58:16,841 --> 00:58:18,508 and it really... when I look at it, 1055 00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:20,009 it wasn't really that big of a fight, 1056 00:58:20,011 --> 00:58:23,046 it's just that because of, uh, it being New Year's Eve... 1057 00:58:23,048 --> 00:58:24,080 Right. 1058 00:58:24,081 --> 00:58:25,113 ... because it's three o'clock in the mornin', 1059 00:58:25,116 --> 00:58:26,783 just finished a big party, 1060 00:58:26,785 --> 00:58:29,752 uh, it got a little verb... it... it got a little loud. 1061 00:58:31,022 --> 00:58:33,022 Here's... here's my point, the point I'm making, Juice... 1062 00:58:33,024 --> 00:58:33,957 Yeah. 1063 00:58:33,959 --> 00:58:35,925 ... is that it got to such a point 1064 00:58:35,927 --> 00:58:38,895 that you were portrayed in the press for a while there like a wife beater. 1065 00:58:38,897 --> 00:58:40,863 Yeah, well, and that bothered me. 1066 00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:42,865 Obviously, it bothered my whole family. 1067 00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:45,101 I mean, uh, you know, the day after this was over, 1068 00:58:45,103 --> 00:58:46,035 you know, we looked at, say... 1069 00:58:46,037 --> 00:58:46,936 you know, we had a fight, 1070 00:58:46,938 --> 00:58:48,605 we were both guilty. 1071 00:58:48,607 --> 00:58:51,047 No one was hurt, was no big deal, and we got on with our life. 1072 00:58:55,447 --> 00:58:59,048 I had always suspected that they had violent fights. 1073 00:59:00,452 --> 00:59:04,887 The day of my wedding I found out that Nicole and O.J. 1074 00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:06,209 were not going to be attending... 1075 00:59:07,626 --> 00:59:08,925 and he said it was because 1076 00:59:08,927 --> 00:59:13,029 Nicole was having very bad cramps from her period. 1077 00:59:14,499 --> 00:59:16,065 I thought it was a lie. 1078 00:59:18,436 --> 00:59:22,438 It was always Nicole's fault. I mean, even the '89 thing. 1079 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,641 When I cornered him sitting on a golf cart, 1080 00:59:24,643 --> 00:59:26,109 I listened for nine holes, 1081 00:59:26,111 --> 00:59:28,945 everything that she did wrong to create what had happened. 1082 00:59:28,947 --> 00:59:31,748 "You think that she's bruised up, you should have seen my face," 1083 00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:34,517 you know, the... the whole pity thing that he always went through. 1084 00:59:35,954 --> 00:59:40,023 I think anybody that knew them... it was over. 1085 00:59:40,025 --> 00:59:43,793 Then it was a matter of when would Nicole have the fortitude 1086 00:59:43,795 --> 00:59:46,062 to just completely walk away. 1087 00:59:49,934 --> 00:59:50,934 She said, "Ron, 1088 00:59:51,936 --> 00:59:54,270 if it wasn't for the kids, I'd be out of here." 1089 00:59:55,774 --> 00:59:57,473 And then I get a call from O.J. 1090 00:59:57,475 --> 00:59:59,542 He says, "You gotta help me here. 1091 00:59:59,544 --> 01:00:02,045 You... you gotta help save this marriage. 1092 01:00:02,047 --> 01:00:06,516 You gotta talk to Nicole, tell her I'll never do it again." 1093 01:00:06,518 --> 01:00:10,019 I saw her start to soften, because by this time, 1094 01:00:10,021 --> 01:00:13,289 O.J. is just doing everything with the kids. 1095 01:00:13,291 --> 01:00:14,724 And they're just having a great time, 1096 01:00:14,726 --> 01:00:16,292 he's taking them here, he's taking them there. 1097 01:00:16,294 --> 01:00:17,694 She's looking at me goin', 1098 01:00:17,696 --> 01:00:22,365 "Hey, Ron, he's really changing. He's really changing." 1099 01:00:25,136 --> 01:00:29,205 When it turned toward the domestic violence, 1100 01:00:29,207 --> 01:00:32,909 that was one that nobody wanted to hear. 1101 01:00:32,911 --> 01:00:34,143 The police didn't wanna hear it, 1102 01:00:34,145 --> 01:00:36,679 most certainly Hertz didn't wanna hear it, 1103 01:00:36,681 --> 01:00:38,147 NBC didn't wanna hear it. 1104 01:00:38,149 --> 01:00:40,083 Nobody wanted to deal with that. 1105 01:00:40,085 --> 01:00:42,385 Back to you, Bob. 1106 01:00:45,056 --> 01:00:47,156 When we heard that, I thought that was it. 1107 01:00:47,158 --> 01:00:48,257 That's... it's over. 1108 01:00:50,095 --> 01:00:55,031 You know who called me to tell me that it was a false arrest? 1109 01:00:55,033 --> 01:00:56,033 Nicole. 1110 01:00:57,902 --> 01:01:00,069 Nicole called me and said, 1111 01:01:00,071 --> 01:01:02,505 "Frank, it didn't happen that way." 1112 01:01:03,708 --> 01:01:07,610 They'd had a terrible argument, but he wasn't abusive. 1113 01:01:07,612 --> 01:01:09,278 They just overreacted. 1114 01:01:11,883 --> 01:01:14,751 I certainly understand how she got involved with him, 1115 01:01:14,753 --> 01:01:18,020 and I could understand how hard it would be to leave that. 1116 01:01:19,591 --> 01:01:21,023 There was a lot to leave. 1117 01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,261 Especially if it was to go back to your parents' house 1118 01:01:25,263 --> 01:01:27,997 in Laguna Beach and start over. 1119 01:01:29,934 --> 01:01:35,772 O.J. was the income producer for the family. 1120 01:01:35,774 --> 01:01:39,275 For not only just Nicole and O.J. 1121 01:01:39,277 --> 01:01:44,981 but for Nicole's father, and mother, sisters... 1122 01:01:44,983 --> 01:01:47,116 He was the... the money man. 1123 01:01:49,487 --> 01:01:54,490 Nicole told me that she felt her family would side with O.J. 1124 01:01:54,492 --> 01:01:56,893 And that... and that disturbed her a great deal. 1125 01:02:00,165 --> 01:02:02,632 Nicole was like the trophy to him. 1126 01:02:02,634 --> 01:02:05,001 You know, something that... that he possessed, 1127 01:02:05,003 --> 01:02:07,069 that he wanted control of, you know? 1128 01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:09,572 And "You better do what I say," but, you know, 1129 01:02:09,574 --> 01:02:11,107 "You better go along with this program." 1130 01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:14,343 I... I totally believe he was concerned about his image. 1131 01:02:14,345 --> 01:02:16,279 What kind of public reaction did you get, 1132 01:02:16,281 --> 01:02:19,081 and what kind of corporate reaction did you get, Juice? 1133 01:02:19,083 --> 01:02:22,852 Surprisingly, so supportive it was unbelievable, you know? 1134 01:02:22,854 --> 01:02:24,420 So supportive, you know? 1135 01:02:24,422 --> 01:02:27,190 Uh, most of the people that I work with know us real well, 1136 01:02:27,192 --> 01:02:29,992 so they can see first-hand that there was, uh, you know, that, 1137 01:02:29,994 --> 01:02:31,627 hey, our relationship was as strong as... 1138 01:02:31,629 --> 01:02:35,331 not only as it's ever been, but as strong as anybody's I know. 1139 01:02:35,333 --> 01:02:37,600 So nobody dropped you from any contracts? 1140 01:02:37,602 --> 01:02:38,801 - No. No. No. - See, the one thing that... 1141 01:02:38,803 --> 01:02:40,536 another thing people don't realize about O.J. 1142 01:02:40,538 --> 01:02:44,140 is he is extremely, uh, well-involved in the business community. 1143 01:02:44,142 --> 01:02:46,275 And he doesn't wanna do this, 'cause it's embarrassing to him, 1144 01:02:46,277 --> 01:02:48,377 but he is one of the owners of HoneyBaked Hams, 1145 01:02:48,379 --> 01:02:50,479 uh, Ramada Inns, a couple of Ramada Inns, 1146 01:02:50,481 --> 01:02:51,781 three Ramada Inns, 1147 01:02:51,783 --> 01:02:53,649 very involved, of course, with Hertz. 1148 01:02:53,651 --> 01:02:55,885 And when something like this happens, 1149 01:02:55,887 --> 01:02:56,886 it takes a toll, 1150 01:02:56,888 --> 01:02:59,055 it takes a bite out of it, but, you know, 1151 01:02:59,057 --> 01:03:00,823 it boun... you bounce back from something like this. 1152 01:03:00,825 --> 01:03:03,793 Once they really, really got back together, 1153 01:03:03,795 --> 01:03:05,494 you know, I mean, we were still friends, you know, 1154 01:03:05,496 --> 01:03:07,296 I still know the guy and everything, 1155 01:03:07,298 --> 01:03:08,397 but, you know, 1156 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,900 he kinda had that, uh, attitude, 1157 01:03:10,902 --> 01:03:13,369 "I'm back. I knew I'd be back." 1158 01:03:13,371 --> 01:03:16,405 You know, "Hey... Don't worry about it." 1159 01:03:16,407 --> 01:03:18,040 You know, "Everything's fine." 1160 01:03:19,911 --> 01:03:24,046 This is where O.J. Simpson performed community service 1161 01:03:24,048 --> 01:03:27,049 as part of his sentence for beating his wife, Nicole. 1162 01:03:27,051 --> 01:03:30,519 For part of his punishment, Simpson went golfing. 1163 01:03:30,521 --> 01:03:33,022 He spent his 120 hours of community service 1164 01:03:33,024 --> 01:03:35,524 organizing a celebrity tournament. 1165 01:03:35,526 --> 01:03:39,095 Prosecutors in the case say they wanted him to go to jail. 1166 01:03:44,035 --> 01:03:48,938 Can you imagine if every time he did something violent like that 1167 01:03:48,940 --> 01:03:50,640 that a report would've been made? 1168 01:03:51,743 --> 01:03:54,844 When I got to the station, I checked the computer, 1169 01:03:54,846 --> 01:04:00,683 there would have been eight previous domestic incident reports on file. 1170 01:04:00,685 --> 01:04:03,352 Then I would have put that in my report 1171 01:04:03,354 --> 01:04:06,422 and sent it on to the prosecutor, 1172 01:04:06,424 --> 01:04:10,793 that most likely that would have been filed as a felony. 1173 01:04:10,795 --> 01:04:15,131 Because it would have shown that a slap on the hand 1174 01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:18,267 is not going to cure this from happening again. 1175 01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:22,405 And that's why I hung onto the report. 1176 01:04:22,407 --> 01:04:24,974 I don't have a garage full of reports, 1177 01:04:24,976 --> 01:04:28,978 I have one report, one, 1178 01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:33,149 that was O.J. Simpson's report because I thought 1179 01:04:33,151 --> 01:04:38,087 that the case might be mishandled, and I needed proof 1180 01:04:38,089 --> 01:04:39,188 that it actually happened, 1181 01:04:41,092 --> 01:04:43,225 and I thought he was gonna kill her. 1182 01:04:54,772 --> 01:04:58,074 A controversial case involving four Los Angeles police officers 1183 01:04:58,076 --> 01:04:59,275 goes to court today. 1184 01:04:59,277 --> 01:05:00,676 The officers face charges 1185 01:05:00,678 --> 01:05:03,079 stemming from the videotaped beating of a motorist. 1186 01:05:03,081 --> 01:05:05,247 The case has already raised accusations 1187 01:05:05,249 --> 01:05:08,284 of officially-sanctioned racism and brutality. 1188 01:05:08,286 --> 01:05:10,853 At issue is the use of force. 1189 01:05:10,855 --> 01:05:13,622 The question is whether their force was justified 1190 01:05:13,624 --> 01:05:15,925 by King's behavior before the camera rolled. 1191 01:05:18,029 --> 01:05:21,297 I don't think that that should have been prosecuted. 1192 01:05:21,299 --> 01:05:23,132 Those officers had about two seconds to make up 1193 01:05:23,134 --> 01:05:24,667 their mind to do something, 1194 01:05:24,669 --> 01:05:27,303 and they did what they thought was right at the time. 1195 01:05:27,305 --> 01:05:29,505 When is too much? When is not enough? 1196 01:05:30,541 --> 01:05:32,675 Should they go to trial? Definitely not. 1197 01:05:34,479 --> 01:05:37,980 On film, what you see was illegal. 1198 01:05:37,982 --> 01:05:39,682 There had to be a prosecution, 1199 01:05:39,684 --> 01:05:44,987 and if there isn't a legitimate reason for this, 1200 01:05:44,989 --> 01:05:47,223 there's jail time involved with this one. 1201 01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:51,994 I was fairly new to LA, so I'm thinkin', 1202 01:05:51,996 --> 01:05:57,400 "Hey, we got 'em... we got 'em cold. This time we'll get justice." 1203 01:05:57,402 --> 01:06:00,870 And there were people who had lived in those communities a long time, 1204 01:06:00,872 --> 01:06:01,971 and they were saying, 1205 01:06:01,973 --> 01:06:05,674 "Well, you know, maybe. I hope so. 1206 01:06:05,676 --> 01:06:07,076 But it's not a done deal." 1207 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,647 In a brand-new courthouse in a distant LA suburb 1208 01:06:11,649 --> 01:06:13,215 called Simi Valley, 1209 01:06:13,217 --> 01:06:16,352 the city's drama is putting a little town on the map. 1210 01:06:16,354 --> 01:06:18,054 The defense had the trial moved 1211 01:06:18,056 --> 01:06:21,023 from Los Angeles county to this bedroom suburb. 1212 01:06:21,025 --> 01:06:24,393 This area is notably more white and conservative than LA. 1213 01:06:26,397 --> 01:06:28,197 It was a horrible decision. 1214 01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,366 It was the worst possible decision. 1215 01:06:30,368 --> 01:06:33,936 And a lot of LAPD officers live in Simi Valley. 1216 01:06:36,007 --> 01:06:38,541 The idea is that you get a representative cross-section 1217 01:06:38,543 --> 01:06:40,943 of the community, that's what the sixth amendment talks about, 1218 01:06:40,945 --> 01:06:44,280 and that people come in with different life experiences, 1219 01:06:44,282 --> 01:06:45,581 because you really do need 1220 01:06:45,583 --> 01:06:48,084 the people to come from different walks of life 1221 01:06:48,086 --> 01:06:51,587 so that you get a complete understanding of the testimony. 1222 01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:53,889 Completely in fear for my life, scared to death 1223 01:06:53,891 --> 01:06:56,025 that if this guy got back up, 1224 01:06:56,027 --> 01:06:57,927 he was gonna take my gun away from me. 1225 01:06:58,963 --> 01:07:01,597 Cases involving charges against police officers 1226 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,232 are rarely slam dunks. 1227 01:07:03,234 --> 01:07:05,301 Even when they're on videotape. 1228 01:07:05,303 --> 01:07:08,037 Do you believe that the actions of your officers 1229 01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:11,073 up to this point were having any effect on Mr. King? 1230 01:07:11,075 --> 01:07:14,477 None at all. This was a managed and controlled use of force. 1231 01:07:14,479 --> 01:07:16,112 It followed the policies and procedures 1232 01:07:16,114 --> 01:07:18,781 of Los Angeles Police Department and the training. 1233 01:07:18,783 --> 01:07:21,450 Now, as the defense presents its case, 1234 01:07:21,452 --> 01:07:24,153 civil rights lawyers like Johnny Cochran worry 1235 01:07:24,155 --> 01:07:26,655 that convictions are far from certain, 1236 01:07:26,657 --> 01:07:29,058 because the prosecutors seem to lack experience 1237 01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:30,726 dealing with cops. 1238 01:07:30,728 --> 01:07:33,329 Somebody with some experience has to stand up and say, 1239 01:07:33,331 --> 01:07:34,897 "Look, you can't get away with this. 1240 01:07:34,899 --> 01:07:37,233 This isn't right, and we're not gonna let it happen." 1241 01:07:37,235 --> 01:07:39,568 The prosecution's strategy seems to be 1242 01:07:39,570 --> 01:07:43,072 to let the violence of the videotape speak for itself. 1243 01:07:43,074 --> 01:07:46,976 But nobody is certain anymore what that tape is saying to the jury. 1244 01:07:48,412 --> 01:07:51,814 I had been telling my people at Time Magazine, 1245 01:07:51,816 --> 01:07:52,982 "There's something going on. 1246 01:07:53,851 --> 01:07:55,384 We need to pay attention. 1247 01:07:56,487 --> 01:07:59,855 There's a story here beyond this trial." 1248 01:08:02,326 --> 01:08:05,161 I just sensed there was this unrest. 1249 01:08:22,013 --> 01:08:25,814 The day started like any other day, but it really wasn't. 1250 01:08:25,816 --> 01:08:28,284 We were waiting for the verdict to be handed down in the trial 1251 01:08:28,286 --> 01:08:30,352 of the four white police officers 1252 01:08:30,354 --> 01:08:33,622 that were charged with beating Rodney King. 1253 01:08:33,624 --> 01:08:35,057 Sergeant Koon, how are you feeling? 1254 01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:37,060 No comment. 1255 01:08:37,695 --> 01:08:39,195 I got up that morning and I said, 1256 01:08:39,197 --> 01:08:41,297 "I gotta go out there and see what's going on." 1257 01:08:41,299 --> 01:08:43,866 So I got on the freeway and started looking for Simi Valley. 1258 01:08:46,304 --> 01:08:48,571 It's a all-white town. 1259 01:08:48,573 --> 01:08:50,973 I only saw white people out there that day, 1260 01:08:52,076 --> 01:08:56,645 and they wasn't that kind to me when I was asking for direction. 1261 01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:01,383 I wanted to be there to witness it, 1262 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,920 and I guess I thought that my being there 1263 01:09:04,922 --> 01:09:06,755 was gonna change something. 1264 01:09:06,757 --> 01:09:07,957 Title of accordant cause: 1265 01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:11,860 We the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1266 01:09:11,862 --> 01:09:12,895 find the defendant, 1267 01:09:12,897 --> 01:09:15,364 Laurence M. Powell not guilty of... 1268 01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:21,370 Man, you got to be kiddin'. 1269 01:09:21,372 --> 01:09:24,039 We the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1270 01:09:24,041 --> 01:09:26,575 find the defendant Theodore J. Briseno 1271 01:09:26,577 --> 01:09:29,378 not guilty of the crime of assault 1272 01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:32,014 by force likely to produce great bodily injury 1273 01:09:32,016 --> 01:09:34,016 with a deadly weapon. 1274 01:09:34,018 --> 01:09:38,454 This 29th day of April, 1992, signed by the court. 1275 01:09:38,456 --> 01:09:39,655 Title of accordant cause: 1276 01:09:40,591 --> 01:09:43,525 We the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1277 01:09:43,527 --> 01:09:45,761 find the defendant, Timothy E. Wind, 1278 01:09:45,763 --> 01:09:48,764 not guilty of the crime of assault by force 1279 01:09:48,766 --> 01:09:52,968 likely to produce great bodily injury with a deadly weapon. 1280 01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:55,371 I was sitting in the bureau the day of the verdict, 1281 01:09:55,373 --> 01:09:58,040 with all of my white colleagues and friends. 1282 01:09:58,042 --> 01:09:59,074 We the jury... 1283 01:09:59,076 --> 01:10:01,310 And every time they said, "Not guilty"... 1284 01:10:01,312 --> 01:10:04,113 ... the defendant, Stacey C. Koon, not guilty... 1285 01:10:04,115 --> 01:10:08,617 ... what I heard was, "Fuck niggers. Not guilty. Fuck niggers." 1286 01:10:09,887 --> 01:10:13,489 No justice! No peace! No justice! No peace! 1287 01:10:13,491 --> 01:10:16,792 I was at Parker Center when the acquittals were announced. 1288 01:10:16,794 --> 01:10:19,828 And I recall some high-fives and some fist-pumping in the air, 1289 01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:21,964 and, I mean, there were clearly some people who felt 1290 01:10:21,966 --> 01:10:25,467 that the public misunderstood them, that the media misunderstood them, 1291 01:10:25,469 --> 01:10:26,935 and that the jury got it right. 1292 01:10:26,937 --> 01:10:29,138 Well, first, all your reaction to what has happened. 1293 01:10:30,274 --> 01:10:32,174 Very happy. 1294 01:10:37,648 --> 01:10:41,750 I'm glad the LAPD are out there protecting me... 1295 01:10:43,154 --> 01:10:46,155 I wanted to believe that the system would work 1296 01:10:46,157 --> 01:10:47,856 for black people in general, 1297 01:10:47,858 --> 01:10:50,025 even though I knew often it doesn't, 1298 01:10:50,027 --> 01:10:53,028 but this time, it should work. And it didn't. 1299 01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:54,263 And all I felt like, 1300 01:10:54,265 --> 01:10:56,065 I just wanted to smack somebody white. 1301 01:10:57,968 --> 01:10:59,168 You're guilty! 1302 01:10:59,170 --> 01:11:01,303 Your skin color determines what degree of justice 1303 01:11:01,305 --> 01:11:02,305 you have these days. 1304 01:11:04,141 --> 01:11:08,544 I don't think the community's gonna take this lying down. 1305 01:11:08,546 --> 01:11:10,979 I don't think this is gonna be good. 1306 01:11:10,981 --> 01:11:14,183 No justice in America, not for the blacks! 1307 01:11:14,185 --> 01:11:17,353 The justice is for the other man, not for the brother man! 1308 01:11:20,191 --> 01:11:23,659 Pastor, your reaction after that first verdict was read? 1309 01:11:23,661 --> 01:11:28,464 Our reaction was almost universal, utter pain. 1310 01:11:29,734 --> 01:11:32,067 Justice! Justice! 1311 01:11:32,069 --> 01:11:36,004 Rodney King did not have a choirboy's record, 1312 01:11:36,006 --> 01:11:38,807 but Rodney King had the flesh and blood 1313 01:11:38,809 --> 01:11:41,577 of decency and humanity in his heart. 1314 01:11:41,579 --> 01:11:46,882 What they were beating is every Black person in America. 1315 01:11:46,884 --> 01:11:48,417 Don't lay down for this shit! 1316 01:11:48,419 --> 01:11:52,254 We had an understanding that the night of the verdict 1317 01:11:52,256 --> 01:11:55,090 we would assemble at First AME Church. 1318 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,027 We'd been meeting with the mayor to get ready. 1319 01:11:59,029 --> 01:12:00,429 I said Beverly Hills, 1320 01:12:00,431 --> 01:12:01,864 'cause this is some fucked-up shit that happened, man. 1321 01:12:01,866 --> 01:12:02,931 - This is history... - We're going to Westwood... 1322 01:12:02,933 --> 01:12:06,001 Brentwood, Whitewood. All that. 1323 01:12:06,003 --> 01:12:10,038 We were gonna send out groups of young men 1324 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,510 to walk the streets and keep everything in order. 1325 01:12:20,451 --> 01:12:24,887 I had spent weeks talking to Black clergy, gang members, 1326 01:12:24,889 --> 01:12:30,692 and they were very upfront about what they believed would happen. 1327 01:12:30,694 --> 01:12:32,054 "Yeah, there's gonna be violence." 1328 01:12:33,631 --> 01:12:37,966 So we had everything prepared. We had the copter fully fueled. 1329 01:12:37,968 --> 01:12:39,234 It seems like the only people 1330 01:12:39,236 --> 01:12:41,069 that didn't know that there would be a riot 1331 01:12:41,071 --> 01:12:42,871 was the news media and the LAPD. 1332 01:12:44,642 --> 01:12:49,077 You're looking at a live picture here at Normandie and Florence. 1333 01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:51,780 There has been a mini-riot at this location. 1334 01:12:51,782 --> 01:12:54,082 There's now been a tactical alert. 1335 01:12:54,084 --> 01:12:59,154 Officers have been ordered to stay out of this general area. 1336 01:12:59,156 --> 01:13:01,557 We're gonna try to get you more information on that. 1337 01:13:03,461 --> 01:13:05,060 Even before the verdict, 1338 01:13:05,062 --> 01:13:07,796 Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates was criticized 1339 01:13:07,798 --> 01:13:09,731 for preparing for unrest in the event 1340 01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:11,667 four of his officers were acquitted. 1341 01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:13,335 But when the rioting began, 1342 01:13:13,337 --> 01:13:15,938 where were the police and firefighters? 1343 01:13:22,179 --> 01:13:25,113 My most striking memory is of members of the police commission 1344 01:13:25,115 --> 01:13:26,815 desperately trying to find Gates. 1345 01:13:26,817 --> 01:13:28,951 Which is just shocking, if you think about it in retrospect, 1346 01:13:28,953 --> 01:13:30,419 that the verdicts in the Rodney King case 1347 01:13:30,421 --> 01:13:31,987 were coming down and the chief was not at Parker Center. 1348 01:13:31,989 --> 01:13:35,023 Gates had driven to this house in ritzy Brentwood 1349 01:13:35,025 --> 01:13:38,594 to campaign against a police reform initiative. 1350 01:13:38,596 --> 01:13:41,997 Fighting police reform, that's what he was doing. 1351 01:13:41,999 --> 01:13:46,034 He abandoned his post 1352 01:13:46,036 --> 01:13:49,972 and left his troops in a shameful state. 1353 01:13:54,712 --> 01:13:56,678 The LAPD response was tepid. 1354 01:13:59,517 --> 01:14:02,451 All of the media gets on the police department, 1355 01:14:02,453 --> 01:14:03,519 the people are screaming, 1356 01:14:03,521 --> 01:14:05,554 "We have an occupying force." 1357 01:14:05,556 --> 01:14:07,823 Well, gee, we don't wanna look like an occupying force, 1358 01:14:07,825 --> 01:14:09,625 so maybe we'll just sit here until it blows over. 1359 01:14:09,627 --> 01:14:11,093 That type of crap goes on. 1360 01:14:12,730 --> 01:14:14,029 And we were furious. 1361 01:14:21,539 --> 01:14:23,906 - Fuck the police! - Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em! 1362 01:14:27,645 --> 01:14:29,811 Chaos at this particular location. 1363 01:14:30,981 --> 01:14:35,684 To see the very start of the violence was very troubling. 1364 01:14:35,686 --> 01:14:39,054 What made it really troubling was there was no police presence. 1365 01:14:39,056 --> 01:14:41,156 There's a van coming under attack. 1366 01:14:41,158 --> 01:14:42,925 They're pulling the driver out of the van, 1367 01:14:42,927 --> 01:14:45,561 and they're kicking the driver and beating the driver. 1368 01:14:45,563 --> 01:14:47,663 We captured what essentially became 1369 01:14:47,665 --> 01:14:51,266 the bookend to the Rodney King beating. 1370 01:14:51,268 --> 01:14:53,502 There's another driver, badly beaten. 1371 01:14:53,504 --> 01:14:55,103 In the case of Reginald Denny, 1372 01:14:55,105 --> 01:14:58,674 we had black gang members beating a white man. 1373 01:14:58,676 --> 01:15:00,943 Oh, look at that. Terrible. 1374 01:15:00,945 --> 01:15:03,545 And there's no police presence down here. 1375 01:15:03,547 --> 01:15:04,846 They will not enter the area. 1376 01:15:06,417 --> 01:15:09,751 That was the most disgusting thing I've seen in my entire career. 1377 01:15:09,753 --> 01:15:12,621 Two blocks away we had a platoon of metro division. 1378 01:15:12,623 --> 01:15:15,057 We could have cleared that intersection in a minute. 1379 01:15:15,059 --> 01:15:16,525 But the commander there 1380 01:15:16,527 --> 01:15:18,727 didn't wanna release 'em to do it, because of imagery. 1381 01:15:18,729 --> 01:15:20,128 We're on live television. 1382 01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:22,798 We're seeing a dark day here in Los Angeles. 1383 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,100 The LAPD is nowhere to be found. 1384 01:15:25,102 --> 01:15:26,735 So we're sitting there in our uniforms 1385 01:15:26,737 --> 01:15:29,271 watching this poor truck driver get his head beat in. 1386 01:15:29,273 --> 01:15:31,073 Nobody's doing a damn thing about it. 1387 01:15:31,075 --> 01:15:32,075 We're screamin'. 1388 01:15:32,876 --> 01:15:34,343 Nobody would even move on it. 1389 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,852 How are you this evening? 1390 01:15:44,755 --> 01:15:46,054 - Angry. - Angry? 1391 01:15:47,992 --> 01:15:50,959 The jury is trying to tell us we didn't see what we saw. 1392 01:15:52,763 --> 01:15:56,398 We've been the victims of police brutality in this town 1393 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,899 for too long! 1394 01:16:02,906 --> 01:16:04,506 We didn't come here tonight to mourn. 1395 01:16:04,508 --> 01:16:06,975 We came here tonight to say who we are. 1396 01:16:08,078 --> 01:16:10,245 And we ain't gonna take this business lying down. 1397 01:16:11,515 --> 01:16:13,015 And we ain't gonna tear up our community 1398 01:16:13,017 --> 01:16:14,449 to be proving their point. 1399 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,921 Mark Brown, Channel Seven waved at the monitor and said, 1400 01:16:19,923 --> 01:16:23,925 "The city's on fire. It's on fire." 1401 01:16:24,795 --> 01:16:26,995 And I looked at him and said, "My God." 1402 01:16:26,997 --> 01:16:29,431 I had no idea it was right across the street. 1403 01:16:29,433 --> 01:16:30,433 Literally. 1404 01:16:31,001 --> 01:16:33,268 The gas station was on fire. 1405 01:16:40,444 --> 01:16:44,379 What I didn't anticipate personally and professionally 1406 01:16:44,381 --> 01:16:47,516 was the response of the community. 1407 01:16:50,621 --> 01:16:53,755 I went on the streets, and Western Avenue was in flames. 1408 01:16:55,793 --> 01:17:00,962 And this crowd is gathering, and the police have now come, 1409 01:17:00,964 --> 01:17:03,965 and there's one guy, and he's screaming his head off, 1410 01:17:03,967 --> 01:17:05,967 "Burn, baby, burn! 1411 01:17:05,969 --> 01:17:08,870 How you like me now, Mr. Policeman?" 1412 01:17:12,509 --> 01:17:14,976 And I felt his pain. 1413 01:17:19,817 --> 01:17:21,183 I just didn't get it. 1414 01:17:21,185 --> 01:17:24,119 I just didn't understand burning down your own community. 1415 01:17:25,923 --> 01:17:27,422 I didn't get what it proved. 1416 01:17:32,863 --> 01:17:36,064 Here are people who feel like they have no stake, 1417 01:17:36,066 --> 01:17:37,899 nobody's paying any attention to them. 1418 01:17:39,069 --> 01:17:41,703 This is the only way we can get any attention. 1419 01:17:47,678 --> 01:17:50,679 As it got darker, a crowd began to gather out 1420 01:17:50,681 --> 01:17:52,041 in front of the police department. 1421 01:17:54,017 --> 01:17:55,917 It got increasingly unruly. 1422 01:17:56,754 --> 01:17:58,453 Someone grabbed me and tore my shirt 1423 01:17:58,455 --> 01:18:00,021 and said something about, you know, 1424 01:18:00,023 --> 01:18:02,023 "You fucking newsmen. Why do you tell lies?" 1425 01:18:06,764 --> 01:18:11,099 It is the most physically-frightening situation that I've ever been part of. 1426 01:18:21,311 --> 01:18:22,944 Guy pulls up, and he goes, 1427 01:18:22,946 --> 01:18:26,047 "Mike, whatever you do, don't go to the command post. 1428 01:18:26,049 --> 01:18:27,949 Go to the police station down the street. 1429 01:18:27,951 --> 01:18:31,052 Because it's very violent out there." 1430 01:18:31,054 --> 01:18:34,222 I looked at him, and I thought, "What a coward he is," 1431 01:18:34,224 --> 01:18:40,162 get in the car, make the first turn, and the car gets lit up by gunfire. 1432 01:18:40,164 --> 01:18:42,898 So I go, "Okay. Now I know what he's talking about." 1433 01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:45,600 So I took my .45 out, I put it on my lap, 1434 01:18:45,602 --> 01:18:48,270 I took a big gulp of Copenhagen, 1435 01:18:48,272 --> 01:18:51,106 stuck it down my mouth, turned off the lights 1436 01:18:51,108 --> 01:18:53,408 and drove as fast as I could to the command post. 1437 01:18:56,947 --> 01:19:01,850 Hindsight, the overall management could've been done much better, 1438 01:19:09,026 --> 01:19:14,196 but once it got away from us, we were cooked. 1439 01:19:45,662 --> 01:19:47,028 911 Emergency. 1440 01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:49,497 Yeah, can you send someone to my house? 1441 01:19:49,499 --> 01:19:50,966 What's the problem there? 1442 01:19:50,968 --> 01:19:52,968 Well, my ex-husband, or my husband, 1443 01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:54,469 just broke into my house, 1444 01:19:54,471 --> 01:19:56,071 and he's ranting and raving. 1445 01:19:56,073 --> 01:19:58,173 Now he's just walked out on the front yard. 1446 01:19:58,175 --> 01:19:59,975 Has he been drinking or anything? 1447 01:19:59,977 --> 01:20:01,843 No, but he's crazy. 1448 01:20:01,845 --> 01:20:03,478 Is he black, white, or Hispanic? 1449 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:04,646 Black. 1450 01:20:04,648 --> 01:20:06,348 What's he wearing right now? 1451 01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:08,917 Black pants and a golf shirt. 1452 01:20:08,919 --> 01:20:10,151 You said he hasn't been drinking? 1453 01:20:10,153 --> 01:20:11,153 - No. - Did he hit you? 1454 01:20:11,655 --> 01:20:12,838 No. 1455 01:20:12,839 --> 01:20:14,022 Do you have a restraining order against him? 1456 01:20:14,024 --> 01:20:15,090 No. 1457 01:20:15,092 --> 01:20:16,558 What's your name? 1458 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:17,726 Nicole Simpson. 1459 01:20:17,728 --> 01:20:18,693 Your address? 1460 01:20:18,695 --> 01:20:21,730 325 Gretna Green Way. 1461 01:20:21,732 --> 01:20:23,331 Okay, we'll send police out. 1462 01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:24,633 - Thank you. - Uh-huh. 1463 01:20:27,404 --> 01:20:31,740 When Nicole first decided to leave O.J., 1464 01:20:31,742 --> 01:20:33,074 she came to me. 1465 01:20:34,011 --> 01:20:36,344 She said, "I wanna move out" and at that time, 1466 01:20:36,346 --> 01:20:37,646 I was doing real estate. 1467 01:20:38,548 --> 01:20:40,649 And then we had to sell O.J. on the idea. 1468 01:20:41,852 --> 01:20:44,452 He was obsessed with controlling Nicole. 1469 01:20:44,454 --> 01:20:47,088 I said, "Look, O.J., we'll get her a lease." 1470 01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:48,790 He goes, "Three months." 1471 01:20:48,792 --> 01:20:54,729 I said, "We'll get her a year lease. You know? It'll be right nearby. 1472 01:20:54,731 --> 01:20:57,933 You can go to therapy and see if you can work things out. 1473 01:20:57,935 --> 01:20:59,868 But she needs her space." 1474 01:21:00,737 --> 01:21:02,337 He really didn't wanna do it. 1475 01:21:15,719 --> 01:21:17,819 I think for the first time she felt free. 1476 01:21:19,089 --> 01:21:21,957 It was like she just came into that sense of self, 1477 01:21:21,959 --> 01:21:25,360 that she was really ready to do life for her and her kids. 1478 01:21:28,065 --> 01:21:30,131 She responded great to being divorced. 1479 01:21:31,168 --> 01:21:34,069 She was really enjoying her life, 1480 01:21:34,071 --> 01:21:37,806 going out and not being Mrs. Simpson, 1481 01:21:37,808 --> 01:21:39,040 being Nicole Brown. 1482 01:21:39,977 --> 01:21:42,410 She wanted to pursue her photography career, 1483 01:21:42,412 --> 01:21:45,914 and she wanted to have a normal life again. 1484 01:21:50,954 --> 01:21:52,253 It was a beautiful day, 1485 01:21:52,255 --> 01:21:54,856 and we skied down to the bottom of the mountain. 1486 01:21:54,858 --> 01:21:58,026 And everybody's gathering on the deck, having a great time. 1487 01:21:58,028 --> 01:22:00,428 I looked across the deck, and I said, "Wow." 1488 01:22:00,430 --> 01:22:02,330 I said that, "That is absolutely the most stunning woman 1489 01:22:02,332 --> 01:22:03,665 I've ever seen in my life. 1490 01:22:03,667 --> 01:22:05,667 I have to find a way to introduce myself to her." 1491 01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:06,669 So I did. 1492 01:22:08,005 --> 01:22:09,871 When I got back to LA several months later, 1493 01:22:09,873 --> 01:22:11,606 we spent more time together. 1494 01:22:11,608 --> 01:22:14,042 Her and friends came by Mezzaluna one night, 1495 01:22:14,044 --> 01:22:17,012 and we're having a good time, and, all of a sudden, 1496 01:22:17,014 --> 01:22:18,947 I see the Bentley come screeching up 1497 01:22:18,949 --> 01:22:20,215 to the front of the door. 1498 01:22:20,984 --> 01:22:22,984 He comes in, walks straight over to our table, 1499 01:22:22,986 --> 01:22:24,452 slams his hands down, 1500 01:22:24,454 --> 01:22:26,454 looks me straight in the eye and says, 1501 01:22:26,456 --> 01:22:28,690 "I'm O.J. Simpson, and she's still my wife." 1502 01:22:29,893 --> 01:22:31,826 I was sort of love-blind, 1503 01:22:31,828 --> 01:22:34,329 so I didn't get up, I didn't run, I didn't back down, 1504 01:22:34,331 --> 01:22:36,831 I just stood my ground from day one. 1505 01:22:36,833 --> 01:22:39,267 And that's when she started to open up to me. 1506 01:22:41,638 --> 01:22:45,140 She told me about years of abuse at his hands. 1507 01:23:02,092 --> 01:23:04,893 He would beat her and lock her in closets at hotels 1508 01:23:04,895 --> 01:23:07,028 because she asked where he was at 1509 01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:08,463 when he was out cheating on her. 1510 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,040 She was told how to look, told how to wear her hair, 1511 01:23:19,042 --> 01:23:19,908 told how to dress, 1512 01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:21,709 told where to be, what time to be, 1513 01:23:21,711 --> 01:23:24,479 how to be, everything for O.J. Simpson. 1514 01:23:25,582 --> 01:23:29,184 Kind of a reverse slavery thing. Uh, very, very odd. 1515 01:23:29,186 --> 01:23:31,886 You know, "That's, uh, that's my property," 1516 01:23:31,888 --> 01:23:33,822 and he always said, "That's my booty." 1517 01:23:35,392 --> 01:23:36,891 The two sides of O.J., 1518 01:23:36,893 --> 01:23:39,094 the O.J. that everybody sees on TV... 1519 01:23:39,096 --> 01:23:41,062 And when the Cowboys brought in their big back, 1520 01:23:41,064 --> 01:23:44,099 that they didn't make good tackles on them, so the coach 1521 01:23:44,101 --> 01:23:46,201 was on their cases to make better tackles, 1522 01:23:46,203 --> 01:23:47,602 as my family throws snowballs at me. 1523 01:23:47,604 --> 01:23:49,037 Incidentally, uh... 1524 01:23:49,039 --> 01:23:51,706 That's not the O.J. that there was behind closed doors, 1525 01:23:51,708 --> 01:23:53,675 certainly not with her, and she told me that. 1526 01:23:55,145 --> 01:23:57,812 "Don't ever be left alone with him, 1527 01:23:57,814 --> 01:23:59,534 'cause you don't know what he's capable of." 1528 01:24:01,785 --> 01:24:06,154 He had her followed, and he would plant people in our group 1529 01:24:06,156 --> 01:24:10,558 that would call him and tell him where we're going every night. 1530 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:11,826 He would either show up 1531 01:24:11,828 --> 01:24:15,063 or have a spy planted there at the club 1532 01:24:15,065 --> 01:24:17,565 so they could watch her every move. 1533 01:24:17,567 --> 01:24:21,669 He never relinquished control. He never would really let go. 1534 01:24:23,306 --> 01:24:26,641 He would tell me that Nicole tried to get him back, 1535 01:24:26,643 --> 01:24:30,245 that she was actually taking golf lessons at Riviera. 1536 01:24:30,247 --> 01:24:33,648 And he had a girlfriend, you know, Paula. 1537 01:24:33,650 --> 01:24:36,050 And he seemed enthralled with her. 1538 01:24:38,622 --> 01:24:42,023 O.J.'s personality had totally changed, 1539 01:24:42,025 --> 01:24:44,592 and I didn't think it was just the divorce. 1540 01:24:44,594 --> 01:24:47,328 Because his womanizing didn't change. 1541 01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:52,000 He was truly the most jealous person I ever met in my life. 1542 01:24:52,002 --> 01:24:54,702 He was as jealous as he was a good football player. 1543 01:24:57,340 --> 01:24:58,706 I saw the anger, 1544 01:24:58,708 --> 01:25:01,976 I saw the rage in his face on several occasions. 1545 01:25:01,978 --> 01:25:04,112 At me, in particular, and at her. 1546 01:25:07,817 --> 01:25:11,653 There was an incident where we went over to Roxbury, 1547 01:25:11,655 --> 01:25:13,121 a hot club at the time in LA, 1548 01:25:13,123 --> 01:25:15,089 and we get in, and she's dancing. 1549 01:25:16,493 --> 01:25:20,962 Maybe 20, 30 minutes go by, and I see her coming back towards me. 1550 01:25:20,964 --> 01:25:26,868 She goes, "O.J.'s here." And I go, "Ha. Great. Again." 1551 01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:28,903 You know, she goes, "Let's just get out of here." 1552 01:25:28,905 --> 01:25:30,305 And I say, "I couldn't agree more." 1553 01:25:31,374 --> 01:25:33,808 So we drive back to her house on Gretna Green. 1554 01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:39,547 We go inside, and, uh, we became romantic. 1555 01:25:41,051 --> 01:25:44,118 We were off in a private area in one of the living rooms, 1556 01:25:46,923 --> 01:25:51,025 and the next day he came over and pushed in the back door, 1557 01:25:51,027 --> 01:25:52,060 confronted both of us, 1558 01:25:52,062 --> 01:25:54,362 and he wanted to talk to her alone. 1559 01:25:54,364 --> 01:25:56,231 She was trembling, standing next to me, 1560 01:25:56,233 --> 01:25:58,066 holding my hand, shaking. 1561 01:25:58,068 --> 01:25:59,734 And she said, 1562 01:25:59,736 --> 01:26:02,656 "Keith, I think you need to leave me alone with him for a couple minutes." 1563 01:26:03,873 --> 01:26:05,373 I could hear him screaming at her, 1564 01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:07,542 I could hear him using disparaging terms 1565 01:26:07,544 --> 01:26:08,843 about her and me. 1566 01:26:09,746 --> 01:26:13,548 They walked out, and he was O.J. again. 1567 01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:14,849 Shook my hand. 1568 01:26:15,518 --> 01:26:17,085 "Sorry, dude. No hard feelings." 1569 01:26:17,087 --> 01:26:20,521 You know, "I'm a very proud man." 1570 01:26:20,523 --> 01:26:21,643 And he walked out the house. 1571 01:26:22,959 --> 01:26:27,929 And she turned to me, and she was white as a ghost, and she said, 1572 01:26:27,931 --> 01:26:30,265 "Oh, my God, Keith. He watched us." 1573 01:26:33,937 --> 01:26:36,437 And everything changed from that point on. 1574 01:26:37,974 --> 01:26:40,942 We realized we weren't safe anymore. 1575 01:26:40,944 --> 01:26:44,279 We realized that nothing was off limits. 1576 01:26:47,150 --> 01:26:53,054 I think she knew O.J. was always a presence. She hated it. 1577 01:26:53,056 --> 01:26:56,824 She couldn't even explore being single again and... 1578 01:26:56,826 --> 01:26:58,559 and free and having fun, 1579 01:26:58,561 --> 01:27:02,797 because everybody was still being manipulated by O.J. 1580 01:27:06,636 --> 01:27:08,670 When he found out that she had been with Marcus, 1581 01:27:08,672 --> 01:27:11,673 that's... that was a real issue. 1582 01:27:11,675 --> 01:27:13,274 It's a time you look the competition 1583 01:27:13,276 --> 01:27:14,742 right in the face and say, 1584 01:27:14,744 --> 01:27:16,644 - "Look, I'm better than you." - No, I'm better than you. 1585 01:27:16,646 --> 01:27:17,979 You may be younger, but you ain't better. 1586 01:27:17,981 --> 01:27:18,913 Yo, who started? 1587 01:27:18,915 --> 01:27:20,348 And don't be taking my number either. 1588 01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:21,649 Besides, I'm better lookin'. 1589 01:27:21,651 --> 01:27:23,284 I'm tired of you trying to be like me. 1590 01:27:23,286 --> 01:27:26,587 I remember going with O.J. to watch Marcus play at USC. 1591 01:27:30,427 --> 01:27:33,061 He was kinda like a mentor to Marcus. 1592 01:27:35,832 --> 01:27:38,800 They were extremely close. Extremely. 1593 01:27:38,802 --> 01:27:40,868 You know, Marcus got married at O.J.'s house. 1594 01:27:42,672 --> 01:27:46,007 I think she always festered a crush for Marcus. 1595 01:27:46,009 --> 01:27:48,676 And he was the only person in her life 1596 01:27:48,678 --> 01:27:52,046 that was as famous and as strong as O.J. 1597 01:27:53,283 --> 01:27:56,751 And so I think she felt in a way that she was safe with him. 1598 01:28:01,825 --> 01:28:03,524 O.J. said, "Marcus, we're 'SC guys. 1599 01:28:04,861 --> 01:28:07,381 We don't do that to each other. What the hell's wrong with you?" 1600 01:28:09,899 --> 01:28:12,367 He was a younger version of O.J. 1601 01:28:12,369 --> 01:28:15,903 He was almost like the newer, bigger, better version. 1602 01:28:17,073 --> 01:28:19,907 I had no... no idea whatsoever, 1603 01:28:19,909 --> 01:28:23,978 uh, that they were carrying on some kind of affair. 1604 01:28:23,980 --> 01:28:25,079 I was a bit stunned. 1605 01:28:26,383 --> 01:28:29,784 Did you ever have a romantic relationship with Nicole? 1606 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,186 No, I did not. 1607 01:28:32,188 --> 01:28:35,490 No kind of sexual or romantic involvement 1608 01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:36,591 did you ever have with her? 1609 01:28:36,593 --> 01:28:37,959 None whatsoever. 1610 01:28:39,062 --> 01:28:41,929 I really do not wanna talk about that at all. 1611 01:28:43,032 --> 01:28:45,266 Sometimes I'll try to sing, but I'm not gonna do it. 1612 01:28:45,268 --> 01:28:47,335 Tonight I got this tequila in me. 1613 01:28:47,337 --> 01:28:49,904 The girl I came here with said to me, 1614 01:28:49,906 --> 01:28:51,506 "Is this a blues place?" 1615 01:28:51,508 --> 01:28:53,274 I said, "Oh, no, no, no. This is rhythm and blues." 1616 01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:56,577 Speaking of that lady I was talking about... 1617 01:28:56,579 --> 01:28:57,512 There she is. 1618 01:28:57,514 --> 01:28:59,080 With another shot of this tequila. 1619 01:28:59,082 --> 01:29:00,281 Now, watch her... Yeah, that's right. 1620 01:29:00,283 --> 01:29:01,282 Now, watch her sing. 1621 01:29:01,284 --> 01:29:03,050 I don't know if... Oh, my God. 1622 01:29:04,187 --> 01:29:05,187 That's right. 1623 01:29:06,022 --> 01:29:07,889 We're live right now all across America, 1624 01:29:07,891 --> 01:29:09,424 and she is my woman. 1625 01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,093 I'm taking her tequila. 1626 01:29:12,095 --> 01:29:13,694 That's why I'm not singing tonight. 1627 01:29:14,898 --> 01:29:17,365 When they initially got back together, 1628 01:29:17,367 --> 01:29:18,967 I was the first person she told about it. 1629 01:29:19,869 --> 01:29:22,870 He had told her, "I'm changed. I'm a new man. 1630 01:29:22,872 --> 01:29:24,105 Let me prove this to ya." 1631 01:29:25,608 --> 01:29:29,911 She said, "We're gonna date first, and I'm not giving up my house, 1632 01:29:29,913 --> 01:29:32,079 and we're gonna see how it goes." 1633 01:29:32,081 --> 01:29:34,949 That was how they tried to reconcile. 1634 01:29:34,951 --> 01:29:39,020 She said all she really ever wanted was her family. 1635 01:29:41,925 --> 01:29:46,561 It's almost like she risked everything to have that unit back together. 1636 01:29:53,503 --> 01:29:55,269 911 Emergency. What is the... ? 1637 01:29:55,271 --> 01:29:58,439 Can you get someone over here now, to 325 Gretna Green? 1638 01:29:58,441 --> 01:30:00,007 He's back. Please. 1639 01:30:00,009 --> 01:30:01,576 Okay. What does he look like? 1640 01:30:01,578 --> 01:30:03,945 He's O.J. Simpson. I think you know his record. 1641 01:30:03,947 --> 01:30:05,746 Could you just send somebody over here? 1642 01:30:05,748 --> 01:30:06,914 Okay. What is he doing there? 1643 01:30:06,916 --> 01:30:08,516 He's just... All this again. 1644 01:30:08,518 --> 01:30:10,318 Could you just send somebody over? 1645 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:11,619 Wait a minute. What kind of car is he... ? 1646 01:30:11,621 --> 01:30:13,187 We were filming another Naked Gun movie, 1647 01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:16,290 and it was the first time I can remember him being 1648 01:30:16,292 --> 01:30:18,726 just in one of the foulest moods ever. 1649 01:30:19,796 --> 01:30:21,796 And he said, "It's just Nicole bullshit." 1650 01:30:21,798 --> 01:30:23,664 First of all, he broke the back door down 1651 01:30:23,666 --> 01:30:24,832 to get in before... 1652 01:30:24,834 --> 01:30:25,967 Okay. Wait a minute. What's your name? 1653 01:30:25,969 --> 01:30:27,969 Nicole Simpson. 1654 01:30:27,970 --> 01:30:29,970 Okay. Is he the sportscaster or whatever? 1655 01:30:29,973 --> 01:30:31,005 - Yeah. - Okay. 1656 01:30:31,007 --> 01:30:32,173 Thank you. 1657 01:30:32,175 --> 01:30:33,708 My ex-girlfriend approached him on the movie set 1658 01:30:33,710 --> 01:30:35,376 and said some very disparaging things 1659 01:30:35,378 --> 01:30:36,378 about Nicole and myself, 1660 01:30:37,514 --> 01:30:40,548 so I knew that O.J. was gonna take it out on Nicole. 1661 01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:41,682 Wait a minute, we're sending police. 1662 01:30:41,684 --> 01:30:43,451 What is he doing? Is he threatening you? 1663 01:30:43,453 --> 01:30:44,685 I... He's fucking going nuts. 1664 01:30:46,689 --> 01:30:49,056 You're gonna hear him in a minute. He's about to come in again. 1665 01:30:49,058 --> 01:30:50,024 Okay, just stay on the line... 1666 01:30:50,026 --> 01:30:51,325 I don't wanna stay on the line. 1667 01:30:51,327 --> 01:30:52,894 He's gonna beat the shit out of me. 1668 01:30:52,896 --> 01:30:54,679 Wait a minute, would you? Just stay on the line, 1669 01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,463 so we can know what's going on 'til the police get there, okay? 1670 01:30:57,834 --> 01:31:00,902 It wasn't until years later that I actually sat down, 1671 01:31:00,904 --> 01:31:03,070 and I had even listened to the 911 call. 1672 01:31:03,072 --> 01:31:06,874 I knew different voices for Nicole, and she wasn't mad, 1673 01:31:06,876 --> 01:31:07,996 she definitely wasn't drunk. 1674 01:31:08,745 --> 01:31:09,977 She's terrified. 1675 01:31:09,979 --> 01:31:13,581 And that was heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking. 1676 01:31:13,583 --> 01:31:14,583 - Okay, Nicole. - Uh-huh? 1677 01:31:15,818 --> 01:31:17,218 Just a moment. Does he have any weapons? 1678 01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:18,220 I don't know. 1679 01:31:18,655 --> 01:31:19,887 Okay. 1680 01:31:19,889 --> 01:31:22,023 He went home, and now he's back. 1681 01:31:22,025 --> 01:31:24,559 The kids are up there sleeping, and I don't want anything to happen. 1682 01:31:24,561 --> 01:31:25,826 Okay, just a moment. 1683 01:31:26,996 --> 01:31:28,963 When you hear O.J.'s voice, what do you hear? 1684 01:31:30,867 --> 01:31:31,966 Rage. 1685 01:31:41,044 --> 01:31:42,710 Is he inside right now? 1686 01:31:42,712 --> 01:31:44,145 - Yes. Yes. - Okay, just a moment. 1687 01:31:49,886 --> 01:31:54,255 All units, a domestic at 325 Gretna Green Way... 1688 01:31:57,093 --> 01:31:58,993 O.J., the kids are sleeping. 1689 01:32:09,472 --> 01:32:11,072 Is he upset with something that you did? 1690 01:32:11,975 --> 01:32:15,509 Oh, a long time ago. It always comes back. 1691 01:32:17,814 --> 01:32:19,747 Has this happened before or no? 1692 01:32:19,749 --> 01:32:20,715 Many times. 1693 01:32:20,717 --> 01:32:21,717 Okay. 1694 01:32:25,488 --> 01:32:26,621 The police should be on the way. 1695 01:32:26,623 --> 01:32:28,255 It just seems like a long time 1696 01:32:28,257 --> 01:32:30,958 because it's kind of busy in that division right now. 1697 01:32:36,899 --> 01:32:41,102 When she left him for good, she called me, and she's like, 1698 01:32:41,104 --> 01:32:43,204 "Yep, this is it, Robin." 1699 01:32:44,107 --> 01:32:48,009 She said, "This is it. I'm done. I'm done." 1700 01:32:48,011 --> 01:32:50,244 She goes, "I don't even... I have no feeling for him whatsoever anymore. 1701 01:32:50,246 --> 01:32:51,246 It's just over." 1702 01:32:52,181 --> 01:32:55,750 She was free, and she was happy without him, 1703 01:32:55,752 --> 01:32:59,587 and I think he knew it was really over. 1704 01:33:02,992 --> 01:33:05,993 The day she changed, it was like a light switch. 1705 01:33:05,995 --> 01:33:10,431 He spiraled, from that day on. Everything was different. 1706 01:33:10,433 --> 01:33:12,933 Who he was, that persona, everything was gone. 1707 01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:19,874 She wasn't chasing him anymore and it... it spun him out. 1708 01:33:21,377 --> 01:33:24,545 We all believed that right toward the very end when, uh, 1709 01:33:24,547 --> 01:33:26,514 they had split up, after Mother's Day, 1710 01:33:26,516 --> 01:33:28,549 that Nicole was not seeing Marcus again. 1711 01:33:28,551 --> 01:33:30,985 I absolutely believed that she was. 1712 01:33:30,987 --> 01:33:32,853 And O.J. told Nicole, 1713 01:33:32,855 --> 01:33:35,356 "You ever see Marcus again, I will kill you." 1714 01:33:38,127 --> 01:33:42,697 This was obviously "I'm... I'm gonna get back at you, O.J. 1715 01:33:42,699 --> 01:33:45,066 I don't care what it takes, I'm gonna humiliate you." 1716 01:33:47,737 --> 01:33:49,470 If she did it, 1717 01:33:49,472 --> 01:33:53,174 it was more for her own personal rebellion, 1718 01:33:53,176 --> 01:33:56,243 it was more for her saying to herself, 1719 01:33:56,245 --> 01:34:00,047 "I'm gonna date who I want, I'm gonna go where I want, 1720 01:34:00,049 --> 01:34:04,418 I'm gonna be friends with who I want. I'm free. 1721 01:34:04,420 --> 01:34:07,621 You have lost me, O.J. Watch me run." 1722 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,426 I think there was something about her 1723 01:34:12,428 --> 01:34:15,796 that was almost unattainable to him. 1724 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,134 Something that he couldn't quite control. 1725 01:34:25,875 --> 01:34:29,376 And I think that that was part of the attraction. 1726 01:34:29,378 --> 01:34:33,948 And I think, in the final analysis, that's what got her killed. 1727 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,000 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com -138420

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