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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,617 --> 00:00:03,032 ..on the court tell a different story. 2 00:00:03,117 --> 00:00:05,054 You're listening to Strictly Legal Talk, 3 00:00:05,170 --> 00:00:07,030 a professional legal podcast. 4 00:00:16,523 --> 00:00:17,953 Excuse me, Judge Duggan? 5 00:00:18,867 --> 00:00:21,442 Tony. Come in. 6 00:00:21,648 --> 00:00:24,041 Listen, I know 7 00:00:24,126 --> 00:00:25,685 you're new, but everyone around here calls me Madison. 8 00:00:25,769 --> 00:00:26,801 Yes, ma'am. 9 00:00:26,886 --> 00:00:27,904 I didn't mean to disturb you, 10 00:00:27,988 --> 00:00:29,134 but the jury's in the box. 11 00:00:30,203 --> 00:00:32,455 Please introduce yourself to Her Honor 12 00:00:32,540 --> 00:00:34,291 and the membersof the jury. 13 00:00:34,376 --> 00:00:36,166 My name is Debra Jansen, 14 00:00:36,251 --> 00:00:37,995 and I'm a registered nurse. 15 00:00:38,197 --> 00:00:41,579 Did you and the defendant, Dr. Stanley Ferris, 16 00:00:41,664 --> 00:00:43,582 perform an assisted suicide? 17 00:00:44,049 --> 00:00:45,768 Yes. We did. 18 00:00:45,853 --> 00:00:48,685 And could you please describe the circumstances? 19 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:51,190 The patient was a 72-year-old male. 20 00:00:51,701 --> 00:00:54,969 He was sufferingfrom diabetes and heart disease. 21 00:00:55,245 --> 00:00:57,705 Didn't have long to live, but obviously, 22 00:00:57,792 --> 00:01:00,363 in a tremendous amount of pain and discomfort. 23 00:01:01,477 --> 00:01:02,753 We went to his home. 24 00:01:03,126 --> 00:01:06,080 I administered four milligrams of ondansetron. 25 00:01:06,165 --> 00:01:07,222 It's a tablet. 26 00:01:07,307 --> 00:01:08,808 We give itto prevent nausea, 27 00:01:08,893 --> 00:01:09,940 vomiting. 28 00:01:10,721 --> 00:01:12,723 Once he'd gotten that down, 29 00:01:13,314 --> 00:01:14,752 Dr. Ferris mixed 30 00:01:14,837 --> 00:01:17,846 ten grams of secobarbital with apple juice. 31 00:01:18,323 --> 00:01:19,424 About 30 minutes later, 32 00:01:19,509 --> 00:01:20,870 the patient stopped breathing. 33 00:01:21,162 --> 00:01:23,907 Thank you. I have nothing further, Your Honor. 34 00:01:24,385 --> 00:01:26,252 Any questions from the defense? 35 00:01:28,015 --> 00:01:29,759 Let me ask you a question, Ms. Jansen. 36 00:01:30,471 --> 00:01:33,134 The deceased was suffering, wasn't he? 37 00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:34,886 Very much so. Yes. 38 00:01:34,971 --> 00:01:38,357 And he asked to be euthanized, didn't he? 39 00:01:38,441 --> 00:01:39,729 Yes. Of course. 40 00:01:39,814 --> 00:01:41,916 Now the reason you're here today, 41 00:01:42,437 --> 00:01:44,557 the reason we're all here today is that 42 00:01:45,780 --> 00:01:48,218 the A.D.A. cut you a deal in exchange for 43 00:01:48,303 --> 00:01:50,047 your testimony, isn't that right? 44 00:01:50,471 --> 00:01:52,627 She promised not to prosecute me 45 00:01:52,713 --> 00:01:55,229 for being a part of it if I testified. Yes. 46 00:01:55,346 --> 00:01:56,495 Thank you. 47 00:01:57,034 --> 00:01:58,152 I have nothing further. 48 00:01:58,237 --> 00:02:00,096 Okay. Let's take a brief recess. 49 00:02:00,181 --> 00:02:03,291 Ms. Boyd, I'd like to see youand the witness in my chambers. 50 00:02:10,232 --> 00:02:12,862 I noticed there are federal agents in the gallery. 51 00:02:13,885 --> 00:02:15,026 Ms. Boyd, 52 00:02:15,455 --> 00:02:17,612 when you promised not to prosecute Ms. Jansen, 53 00:02:17,697 --> 00:02:19,565 did you reach out to your federal counterparts 54 00:02:19,650 --> 00:02:22,112 and make sure the promise would bind the United States 55 00:02:22,197 --> 00:02:23,375 Attorney's Office, as well? 56 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:25,760 No, Your Honor. 57 00:02:25,845 --> 00:02:27,502 So you made a deal with this witness, 58 00:02:27,587 --> 00:02:30,017 but you didn't get the Feds to sign off on it? 59 00:02:31,463 --> 00:02:32,940 Those FBI agents grab you, 60 00:02:33,048 --> 00:02:34,776 you are looking at ten years. 61 00:02:34,861 --> 00:02:36,341 Ten years? 62 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:40,643 So, wait. They're-they're here to arrest me? 63 00:02:41,564 --> 00:02:43,900 I never would have agreed to testify if I had known 64 00:02:43,985 --> 00:02:45,057 that could happen. 65 00:02:46,268 --> 00:02:47,674 You made a critical error. 66 00:02:47,807 --> 00:02:49,254 You should have dialed in the Feds 67 00:02:49,338 --> 00:02:50,550 before you promised her immunity. 68 00:02:50,634 --> 00:02:52,378 Okay. Wait a second. Let's figure this out. 69 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:54,557 Maybe if you could let her stay in here, 70 00:02:54,642 --> 00:02:55,799 she could call her lawyer? 71 00:02:55,884 --> 00:02:57,682 All of us together... we can work this out. 72 00:02:57,767 --> 00:02:59,838 You're not going to work anything out. 73 00:03:00,112 --> 00:03:02,338 They are here to do a job, and they're gonna do it. 74 00:03:02,570 --> 00:03:04,392 The second she walks back into that courtroom, 75 00:03:04,477 --> 00:03:06,264 they are gonna take her into custody, 76 00:03:06,861 --> 00:03:08,461 whether she's called a lawyer or not. 77 00:03:08,573 --> 00:03:10,101 Oh, my God. 78 00:03:10,261 --> 00:03:11,807 I have kids. I... 79 00:03:17,659 --> 00:03:19,409 Why don't you return to the courtroom? 80 00:03:19,973 --> 00:03:21,583 Give us a moment. 81 00:03:33,351 --> 00:03:34,416 All rise! 82 00:03:34,501 --> 00:03:36,723 Oh, no, no, stop. Sorry for 83 00:03:36,808 --> 00:03:38,201 the delay, everyone. 84 00:03:40,065 --> 00:03:42,438 Agents, can you please take your seats? 85 00:03:42,522 --> 00:03:43,874 I'd like to resume trial. 86 00:03:44,008 --> 00:03:45,197 Of course. We'll leave 87 00:03:45,282 --> 00:03:46,464 in just a second, but we need to speak 88 00:03:46,548 --> 00:03:48,722 to the witness who just testified. The nurse. 89 00:03:48,901 --> 00:03:50,113 I think you may have just missed her. 90 00:03:50,197 --> 00:03:51,479 Missed her? 91 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:53,541 I believe she had another matterto attend to. 92 00:03:54,626 --> 00:03:56,276 Your Honor, let me be clear. 93 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:57,909 We came here to arrest her. 94 00:03:58,291 --> 00:03:59,890 I don't know what to tell you. 95 00:04:00,384 --> 00:04:02,254 You understand what this looks like? 96 00:04:02,870 --> 00:04:05,069 You called Ms. Jansen into your chambers immediately 97 00:04:05,153 --> 00:04:07,724 after she confesses to illegal drug distribution. 98 00:04:07,808 --> 00:04:08,791 Now she's gone? 99 00:04:08,876 --> 00:04:11,791 Again... I don't know what to tell you. 100 00:04:12,111 --> 00:04:14,214 If you feel you have lawful authority 101 00:04:14,299 --> 00:04:15,909 to arrest someone, then you should do so. 102 00:04:16,354 --> 00:04:17,580 You just need to do it in a way 103 00:04:17,665 --> 00:04:19,205 that doesn't intimidate witnesses, 104 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:21,690 or cause a disruption in my courtroom. 105 00:04:22,572 --> 00:04:23,809 Understood? 106 00:04:24,119 --> 00:04:26,112 Oh, I completely understand, Your Honor. 107 00:04:26,604 --> 00:04:27,549 But do you understand 108 00:04:27,641 --> 00:04:30,080 that in intentionally allowing Ms. Jansen to evade arrest, 109 00:04:30,165 --> 00:04:31,735 you just committed a federal crime? 110 00:04:33,598 --> 00:04:35,124 Need you to step down from the bench 111 00:04:35,209 --> 00:04:36,261 and put your hands behind your back. 112 00:04:36,345 --> 00:04:38,018 And I need you to leave my courtroom. 113 00:04:38,103 --> 00:04:39,783 I have a trial to attend to. Court officer? 114 00:04:45,018 --> 00:04:46,221 Seriously? 115 00:04:46,306 --> 00:04:48,588 I'm asking you one last time. Step off the bench. 116 00:05:00,916 --> 00:05:03,414 Judge Duggan, you're being charged 117 00:05:03,499 --> 00:05:05,963 with obstruction of justice andaiding and abetting an escape. 118 00:05:06,052 --> 00:05:07,922 - You have the rightto remain silent... - Save your breath. 119 00:05:08,006 --> 00:05:10,400 I know the song. I can recite the lyrics by heart. 120 00:05:10,485 --> 00:05:13,099 Anything you say canand will be used against you 121 00:05:13,184 --> 00:05:14,088 in a court of law. 122 00:05:14,173 --> 00:05:15,617 You have the rightto an attorney. 123 00:05:15,702 --> 00:05:16,793 If you cannot afford 124 00:05:16,877 --> 00:05:18,795 an attorney, one will beprovided for you. 125 00:05:19,025 --> 00:05:20,125 Wow. 126 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:23,261 A judge with half a million Twitter followers. 127 00:05:23,346 --> 00:05:25,776 Well, I'm guessing she's a bleeding heart? 128 00:05:25,861 --> 00:05:28,578 The kind that sends defendants home with a slap on the wrist? 129 00:05:28,663 --> 00:05:31,526 Well, that is not exactly the way that I would describe her. 130 00:05:31,722 --> 00:05:34,650 A defendant was convicted of a drunk driving hit-and-run. 131 00:05:34,789 --> 00:05:37,490 She ordered him to spend a week living at the morgue. 132 00:05:37,676 --> 00:05:39,290 Eating, sleeping. 133 00:05:39,725 --> 00:05:41,291 All of it, surrounded 134 00:05:41,376 --> 00:05:44,208 by lifeless, mangled victims of car accidents. 135 00:05:44,293 --> 00:05:46,124 A week at the morgue? 136 00:05:46,607 --> 00:05:47,854 I think I'd rather go to prison. 137 00:05:47,938 --> 00:05:50,744 She sentenced another defendant, a slumlord, 138 00:05:50,867 --> 00:05:53,264 to live in one of his rat-infested properties 139 00:05:53,446 --> 00:05:54,595 for six months. 140 00:05:54,688 --> 00:05:56,838 Oh. So she's one of those. 141 00:05:56,923 --> 00:05:58,462 And apparently, it is effective. 142 00:05:58,554 --> 00:06:01,565 Judge Duggan's defendants have the lowest recidivism rates 143 00:06:01,665 --> 00:06:03,853 in the city... an average of 17%. 144 00:06:04,002 --> 00:06:06,190 Sounds like there's a method to her madness. 145 00:06:06,274 --> 00:06:07,455 Oh. 146 00:06:07,695 --> 00:06:09,671 That's her. She's in the lobby. 147 00:06:09,798 --> 00:06:10,838 I appreciate 148 00:06:10,923 --> 00:06:12,548 you seeing me on such short notice. 149 00:06:12,633 --> 00:06:14,072 I know you're both very busy. 150 00:06:14,247 --> 00:06:15,502 Happy to be of help. 151 00:06:15,587 --> 00:06:18,158 First, I know what people are saying about me. 152 00:06:18,284 --> 00:06:20,638 They think I have some sort of agenda, 153 00:06:20,723 --> 00:06:22,197 both political and personal. 154 00:06:22,289 --> 00:06:24,392 Well, you were elected to the bench. People assume 155 00:06:24,477 --> 00:06:26,573 you have your sights set on bigger and better things. 156 00:06:26,658 --> 00:06:28,517 The prosecutor is alleging you used 157 00:06:28,602 --> 00:06:31,390 your platform as a judge to raise your profile, 158 00:06:32,158 --> 00:06:33,407 make a political statement. 159 00:06:33,492 --> 00:06:34,994 The prosecutor's wrong. 160 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,705 This isn't about self-promotionor assisted suicide. 161 00:06:39,133 --> 00:06:41,416 In fact, I don't even havean opinion on assisted suicide. 162 00:06:41,501 --> 00:06:42,853 Then, why'd you do it? 163 00:06:43,532 --> 00:06:45,845 You, of all people, know the jeopardy you're facing. 164 00:06:45,938 --> 00:06:48,002 Could cost you 25 years in prison, 165 00:06:48,398 --> 00:06:51,650 your seat on the bench, your license to practice. 166 00:06:51,767 --> 00:06:53,932 I know it's gonna sound like something from a bumper sticker, 167 00:06:54,016 --> 00:06:57,842 but... I did it to protect the sanctity of the courtroom, 168 00:06:58,295 --> 00:06:59,947 the sovereignty of judges, 169 00:07:00,032 --> 00:07:02,341 the-the business of providing justice. 170 00:07:02,475 --> 00:07:05,517 Forgive me, but I'm not sure I follow. 171 00:07:06,838 --> 00:07:09,088 I'm responsible for what happensin my courtroom. 172 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:11,634 I can't have people who would otherwise testify worry 173 00:07:11,719 --> 00:07:14,220 that if they do, some other arm of law is gonna be 174 00:07:14,312 --> 00:07:15,808 waiting for them in the lobby 175 00:07:15,986 --> 00:07:17,338 because they owe back taxes, 176 00:07:17,432 --> 00:07:19,089 or they have an outstanding parking ticket, 177 00:07:19,173 --> 00:07:20,438 or who knows what. 178 00:07:20,522 --> 00:07:21,463 So you let her 179 00:07:21,548 --> 00:07:24,789 exit through the judge's lobby to the private elevator, 180 00:07:24,874 --> 00:07:27,184 and slip out the back door of the courthouse? 181 00:07:27,268 --> 00:07:29,306 I gave her time to consult with an attorney, 182 00:07:29,391 --> 00:07:32,571 so she could arrange to turn herself in and avoid arrest. 183 00:07:32,656 --> 00:07:34,310 And did she? 184 00:07:36,213 --> 00:07:37,384 I don't know. 185 00:07:38,571 --> 00:07:40,095 I'm worried she fled. 186 00:07:41,757 --> 00:07:42,767 But that's not the point. 187 00:07:42,852 --> 00:07:44,335 And what is? 188 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:47,955 Court has to be a safe space, 189 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,281 a sacred space. 190 00:07:50,366 --> 00:07:52,763 Otherwise, no one will participate. 191 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:54,486 Criminals will walk free, 192 00:07:54,982 --> 00:07:56,723 the crime rate will rise. 193 00:07:59,775 --> 00:08:01,033 So will you help me? 194 00:08:03,234 --> 00:08:04,509 Will you represent me? 195 00:08:05,723 --> 00:08:06,892 Please? 196 00:08:09,892 --> 00:08:12,041 Well, when you put it like that. 197 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,507 *BULL (2016)* Season 04 Episode 19 198 00:08:15,592 --> 00:08:17,305 Episode Title: " The Sovereigns" Aired on: April 13, 2020 199 00:08:17,507 --> 00:08:18,758 Synchronized by srjanapala 200 00:08:20,545 --> 00:08:23,140 Good morning. I understand 201 00:08:23,225 --> 00:08:24,447 the defense has filed a motion 202 00:08:24,532 --> 00:08:25,561 to dismiss. 203 00:08:25,646 --> 00:08:26,999 That is correct, Your Honor. 204 00:08:27,121 --> 00:08:28,560 Hmm. I'll hear you. 205 00:08:29,073 --> 00:08:30,132 Although, I confess, 206 00:08:30,217 --> 00:08:33,538 my... clerk has already informed meof your position. 207 00:08:34,428 --> 00:08:35,319 Apparently, 208 00:08:35,404 --> 00:08:38,116 your client was twittering about it all morning. 209 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:40,780 Apparently, she's... 210 00:08:40,872 --> 00:08:43,182 quite the media sensation. 211 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:45,272 It's tweeting, not twittering. 212 00:08:45,357 --> 00:08:47,507 Argue your motion, Mr. Colón. 213 00:08:47,592 --> 00:08:48,988 Of course, Your Honor. 214 00:08:49,299 --> 00:08:54,147 It is the defendant's contention that pursuant to Rule 12 215 00:08:54,232 --> 00:08:56,554 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure 216 00:08:56,646 --> 00:08:59,304 that the indictment must be dismissed. 217 00:08:59,469 --> 00:09:01,996 My client is being criminally prosecuted 218 00:09:02,081 --> 00:09:04,696 for doing exactly what she was sworn to do... 219 00:09:04,781 --> 00:09:07,352 Exercise judicial discretion, 220 00:09:07,437 --> 00:09:09,819 protect the integrity of her courtroom, and 221 00:09:09,904 --> 00:09:11,733 ensure that justice is served. 222 00:09:11,849 --> 00:09:13,586 Does that mean you stipulate that your client 223 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:15,444 allowed someone to evade arrest? 224 00:09:15,592 --> 00:09:16,625 He's admitting his client did it. 225 00:09:16,709 --> 00:09:18,788 I am admitting nothing of the kind. 226 00:09:19,166 --> 00:09:21,345 She allowed a witness to seek counsel. 227 00:09:21,874 --> 00:09:25,011 Mr. Olsen, does the United States have a response? 228 00:09:25,197 --> 00:09:27,483 It's our position that Ms. Duggan... 229 00:09:27,568 --> 00:09:30,460 Excuse me. It's Judge Duggan. 230 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,116 The woman is still a judge. 231 00:09:32,201 --> 00:09:33,250 I don't care what they call me. 232 00:09:33,334 --> 00:09:34,163 That's not the point. 233 00:09:34,248 --> 00:09:35,375 We need to set a certain tone. 234 00:09:35,459 --> 00:09:37,796 Ms. Duggan is under suspension. 235 00:09:37,881 --> 00:09:40,710 Judge Duggan is on administrative leave 236 00:09:40,795 --> 00:09:42,538 until the case is resolved. 237 00:09:42,630 --> 00:09:44,200 And she should be given 238 00:09:44,285 --> 00:09:46,377 the respect that she deserves. 239 00:09:46,462 --> 00:09:47,858 Gentlemen... 240 00:09:48,384 --> 00:09:50,606 since neither of you hasappeared in my courtroom before, 241 00:09:50,691 --> 00:09:52,609 let me set a few ground rules for you. 242 00:09:52,694 --> 00:09:53,952 I run a tight ship. 243 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,460 No one speaks out of turn, and if 244 00:09:56,545 --> 00:09:59,072 I want you to elaborate on anything, I will let you know. 245 00:09:59,244 --> 00:10:00,335 Got it? 246 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:02,100 - Of course, Your Honor. - Yes, Your Honor. 247 00:10:03,114 --> 00:10:04,858 Continue please, Mr. Olsen. 248 00:10:04,997 --> 00:10:08,179 The defendant's decision toignore a federal arrest warrant 249 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,546 appears to have been a publicity stunt 250 00:10:10,739 --> 00:10:12,897 orchestrated by a media-savvy jurist, 251 00:10:12,982 --> 00:10:15,444 hoping to eventually seek higher elected office. 252 00:10:15,661 --> 00:10:19,468 We simply cannot allow obstructing the work 253 00:10:19,553 --> 00:10:22,167 of federal law enforcement to be taken lightly. 254 00:10:22,794 --> 00:10:26,351 The defendant must be held accountable for her actions. 255 00:10:26,731 --> 00:10:28,823 I must say, I agree with the prosecution. 256 00:10:29,455 --> 00:10:32,890 I'm not going to endorse a rogue judge's behavior. 257 00:10:33,629 --> 00:10:36,210 The defendant's motion to dismiss is denied. 258 00:10:36,374 --> 00:10:39,085 Case will be decided by a jury. 259 00:10:39,518 --> 00:10:41,915 Clearly, this is gonna be an uphill battle. 260 00:10:42,086 --> 00:10:43,830 One more thing. 261 00:10:43,937 --> 00:10:45,140 Yes, Your Honor? 262 00:10:45,266 --> 00:10:46,866 I'm issuing a gag order. 263 00:10:47,067 --> 00:10:50,257 Respectfully, I don't believe that's necessary, Your Honor. 264 00:10:50,342 --> 00:10:53,218 Objection noted and overruled. 265 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:56,374 There will be no twittering or Facebooking 266 00:10:56,518 --> 00:10:58,077 or any other form of commentary 267 00:10:58,162 --> 00:10:59,960 during the pendency of this case. 268 00:11:00,045 --> 00:11:01,571 Have I made myself clear? 269 00:11:02,048 --> 00:11:03,491 Yes, Your Honor. 270 00:11:06,448 --> 00:11:07,780 Sorry, Bull. 271 00:11:08,356 --> 00:11:11,976 Try as I might, I just could not make it go away. 272 00:11:12,368 --> 00:11:14,311 Don't beat yourself up too much. 273 00:11:15,455 --> 00:11:17,721 I realize now there was no way on earth 274 00:11:17,806 --> 00:11:20,116 that judge was gonna letour judge off without a trial. 275 00:11:21,123 --> 00:11:22,984 Hmm. 276 00:11:24,019 --> 00:11:26,075 Have you read about our client? 277 00:11:27,152 --> 00:11:28,303 She sure does get some press. 278 00:11:28,387 --> 00:11:29,864 She had this one case once, a residential burglary. 279 00:11:29,948 --> 00:11:31,692 Victim was juggling two jobs at once. 280 00:11:31,784 --> 00:11:34,790 Husband was dying, and she's caring for him. 281 00:11:34,875 --> 00:11:36,856 It's a huge burden for her to get to the court 282 00:11:36,941 --> 00:11:38,528 during normal hours. 283 00:11:38,613 --> 00:11:42,411 So Judge Duggan decided she was gonna hold court at night. 284 00:11:43,213 --> 00:11:46,395 Every component of the system complained. 285 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:48,992 Courthouse didn't want to keep the lights on. 286 00:11:49,216 --> 00:11:51,294 The jail didn't want to transport the prisoner 287 00:11:51,379 --> 00:11:53,833 after hours. But our client dug in 288 00:11:54,004 --> 00:11:55,411 and made it happen. 289 00:11:55,778 --> 00:11:56,853 That's nice. 290 00:11:56,938 --> 00:11:58,508 I think it's more than nice. 291 00:11:58,719 --> 00:12:00,029 I think it's indicative of someone 292 00:12:00,113 --> 00:12:02,423 who's committed to the idea that justice should exist 293 00:12:02,508 --> 00:12:05,005 for everyone; it shouldn't be compromised 294 00:12:05,105 --> 00:12:08,005 because it might be inconvenient for the system. 295 00:12:08,090 --> 00:12:10,637 I think she genuinely believes in these things. 296 00:12:11,031 --> 00:12:13,690 I believe she honestly thought that the nurse's reward 297 00:12:13,775 --> 00:12:16,479 for being willing to testify shouldn't be getting arrested 298 00:12:16,564 --> 00:12:17,893 by another agency. 299 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,752 So, how do you want to play this? 300 00:12:21,056 --> 00:12:22,666 Who would be on your ideal jury? 301 00:12:22,751 --> 00:12:24,408 Well, here'san abstract idea. 302 00:12:24,493 --> 00:12:26,924 Sometimes you have to skirt the law 303 00:12:27,009 --> 00:12:28,877 in order to maintain its integrity. 304 00:12:29,008 --> 00:12:31,393 You've got that right. Our client... 305 00:12:32,116 --> 00:12:33,768 Judge Duggan... 306 00:12:34,127 --> 00:12:36,096 she's guided by the spirit of the law 307 00:12:36,181 --> 00:12:37,447 rather than the letter of it. 308 00:12:37,532 --> 00:12:39,971 So we want people who can see the big picture. 309 00:12:40,056 --> 00:12:42,846 Exactly. We need to deselect narrow-minded thinkers 310 00:12:42,931 --> 00:12:45,573 and embrace people who are at least willing to explore 311 00:12:45,658 --> 00:12:47,963 the possibility that, while at first glance 312 00:12:48,048 --> 00:12:50,619 something may appear precise and definite, 313 00:12:50,910 --> 00:12:53,198 it may be open to interpretation, 314 00:12:53,409 --> 00:12:55,057 have a deeper meaning. 315 00:12:55,142 --> 00:12:56,233 Good morning. 316 00:12:56,454 --> 00:12:58,503 So, let me ask you a question. 317 00:12:58,588 --> 00:13:00,768 If I say "Statue of Liberty," 318 00:13:00,853 --> 00:13:02,597 what does that make you think of? 319 00:13:02,682 --> 00:13:03,773 I don't know. 320 00:13:04,043 --> 00:13:05,221 Liberty? 321 00:13:05,561 --> 00:13:07,573 - Freedom? - I don't know. 322 00:13:07,658 --> 00:13:09,576 That answer could cut either way. 323 00:13:09,843 --> 00:13:13,023 Could be viewed as either literal or abstract. 324 00:13:13,108 --> 00:13:14,721 Or, really, just obvious. 325 00:13:14,806 --> 00:13:18,029 Kelly Wallace. 61 years old. Teaches physics 326 00:13:18,114 --> 00:13:19,432 at Columbia University. 327 00:13:19,517 --> 00:13:20,564 Well, physicists 328 00:13:20,649 --> 00:13:22,959 are analytical but also very creative. 329 00:13:23,371 --> 00:13:25,502 Physics itself is practical 330 00:13:25,587 --> 00:13:28,323 but can also be very... theoretical. 331 00:13:31,423 --> 00:13:32,514 Okay. 332 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:34,421 Liberty, freedom. 333 00:13:34,624 --> 00:13:35,906 Anything else? 334 00:13:35,991 --> 00:13:37,062 Hope. 335 00:13:37,147 --> 00:13:38,543 Ah, hope. 336 00:13:38,628 --> 00:13:40,894 Now, there's the abstract thinker we're looking for. 337 00:13:41,038 --> 00:13:42,188 Your Honor, 338 00:13:42,273 --> 00:13:45,015 this juror is acceptable to the defense. 339 00:13:45,183 --> 00:13:47,452 So, miss, let me ask you a question. 340 00:13:47,543 --> 00:13:50,335 Now, this case makes reference to assisted suicide, 341 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:52,599 and I'm reading on your questionnaire here 342 00:13:52,684 --> 00:13:54,254 that you are a nun. 343 00:13:54,727 --> 00:13:57,452 Do you think that you can be fair and impartial? 344 00:13:57,537 --> 00:13:58,695 Well... 345 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,663 suicide is a mortal sin. 346 00:14:00,781 --> 00:14:02,830 It's an act against the will of God. 347 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,195 I'm not sure what else I can tell you. 348 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,726 Thank you for your candor. 349 00:14:07,303 --> 00:14:08,468 Your Honor, we move 350 00:14:08,553 --> 00:14:11,249 to exclude this juror for cause. 351 00:14:11,469 --> 00:14:13,031 Request is denied. 352 00:14:13,706 --> 00:14:15,671 Excuse me? Request is denied. 353 00:14:15,756 --> 00:14:16,812 There is no cause. 354 00:14:16,897 --> 00:14:18,032 That's absurd. 355 00:14:18,371 --> 00:14:19,723 This witness just answered 356 00:14:19,808 --> 00:14:22,609 she considers suicide... Any kind of suicide... 357 00:14:22,694 --> 00:14:23,873 A mortal sin. 358 00:14:23,958 --> 00:14:25,397 I'd advise you to sit down. 359 00:14:25,482 --> 00:14:27,196 Counsel, want to take control of your client? 360 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,577 What more cause do you need? 361 00:14:28,662 --> 00:14:30,351 Take your seat. Let Benny do his job. 362 00:14:30,436 --> 00:14:33,640 But this case isn't about suicide, it's about you. 363 00:14:33,725 --> 00:14:36,202 Letting someone out the back door to avoid being arrested. 364 00:14:36,287 --> 00:14:39,117 That someone who just assisted in an act of suicide. 365 00:14:39,482 --> 00:14:41,313 How can you not see the prejudicial effect 366 00:14:41,398 --> 00:14:42,493 that that might have on this juror? 367 00:14:42,577 --> 00:14:44,421 - Did you not hear me? - Of course I did. 368 00:14:44,506 --> 00:14:46,070 The questions is, did you hear me? 369 00:14:46,155 --> 00:14:47,007 Please let us handle this. 370 00:14:47,092 --> 00:14:48,531 This is my final warning. 371 00:14:48,616 --> 00:14:50,226 Take your seat. 372 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:51,382 Your lawyer 373 00:14:51,467 --> 00:14:53,734 may exercise one of his six preemptory challenges 374 00:14:53,819 --> 00:14:55,218 on this jury if he so chooses. 375 00:14:55,303 --> 00:14:57,221 That's not the point. We shouldn't have to use 376 00:14:57,306 --> 00:14:58,919 one of our six preemptory challenges 377 00:14:59,004 --> 00:15:00,661 when this juroris clearly biased. 378 00:15:00,746 --> 00:15:02,794 This is the last time I'm gonna say it. 379 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:05,564 Take your seat and shut your mouth. 380 00:15:07,545 --> 00:15:08,592 Fine. 381 00:15:09,846 --> 00:15:11,085 I will take my seat 382 00:15:11,322 --> 00:15:14,460 and I will shut my mouth, but I promise you, 383 00:15:14,545 --> 00:15:16,562 tomorrow morning I am filing charges 384 00:15:16,647 --> 00:15:18,054 with the Judicial Board of Review, 385 00:15:18,139 --> 00:15:20,374 and citing your... your infantile behavior 386 00:15:20,459 --> 00:15:21,859 and your willful disregard 387 00:15:21,944 --> 00:15:23,819 for my rights! 388 00:15:24,163 --> 00:15:25,254 You were warned. 389 00:15:25,346 --> 00:15:27,202 I'm finding you in contempt of court. 390 00:15:27,662 --> 00:15:29,780 Marshal, take her into custody. 391 00:16:07,894 --> 00:16:09,652 Thank you for bailing me out. 392 00:16:11,191 --> 00:16:13,331 I know I should have exercised better judgment 393 00:16:13,416 --> 00:16:15,183 with regards to my behavior, 394 00:16:15,388 --> 00:16:16,956 but I hope you can both appreciate 395 00:16:17,041 --> 00:16:19,347 that I am right on the issues, 396 00:16:19,432 --> 00:16:20,848 on the principles involved. 397 00:16:20,933 --> 00:16:22,324 I want desperately to believe 398 00:16:22,409 --> 00:16:23,754 that you're not really that naive. 399 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:25,879 Huh, wow, Dr. Bull. 400 00:16:25,964 --> 00:16:27,067 Tell me what you really think. 401 00:16:27,151 --> 00:16:28,800 Do you realize what you've done? 402 00:16:29,331 --> 00:16:31,668 The self-inflicted damage that you've caused 403 00:16:31,753 --> 00:16:33,137 by pulling that stunt? 404 00:16:33,222 --> 00:16:34,496 You want to go to prison? 405 00:16:34,581 --> 00:16:36,176 No. Of course not. 406 00:16:36,261 --> 00:16:38,473 You have to understand it didn't help your cause 407 00:16:38,558 --> 00:16:41,106 for the jury to see you ushered out of the courtroom 408 00:16:41,191 --> 00:16:42,647 in handcuffs like that. 409 00:16:43,191 --> 00:16:46,120 That alone is a huge setback for us. 410 00:16:46,948 --> 00:16:49,434 I don't disagree. But they also saw 411 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:51,918 a person stand up for herself and really... 412 00:16:52,002 --> 00:16:53,267 Oh, come on. Look, 413 00:16:53,636 --> 00:16:55,457 I respect that you're a person of principle. 414 00:16:55,542 --> 00:16:57,010 That's why I took you on as a client. 415 00:16:57,094 --> 00:16:58,261 But... 416 00:16:58,489 --> 00:17:00,925 You completely destroyed our narrative in there. 417 00:17:01,503 --> 00:17:03,098 We are trying to convince the jury 418 00:17:03,183 --> 00:17:05,902 that you let a woman escape federal custody 419 00:17:06,072 --> 00:17:08,105 because you believe in the sanctity 420 00:17:08,190 --> 00:17:09,107 of the courtroom. 421 00:17:09,192 --> 00:17:11,245 Well, insulting a federal judge 422 00:17:11,330 --> 00:17:12,720 doesn't exactly demonstrate 423 00:17:12,805 --> 00:17:14,652 a belief in the sanctity of the courtroom. 424 00:17:16,628 --> 00:17:17,995 You get that, right? 425 00:17:20,639 --> 00:17:22,112 This is me. 426 00:17:25,433 --> 00:17:26,526 Okay. 427 00:17:26,611 --> 00:17:28,145 Tomorrow, let's try something different. 428 00:17:28,229 --> 00:17:30,324 You play the part of the defendant, 429 00:17:30,409 --> 00:17:31,810 we'll play the part of your legal team, 430 00:17:31,894 --> 00:17:33,878 and we'll let the judge be the judge. 431 00:17:34,425 --> 00:17:35,744 What do you say? 432 00:17:36,706 --> 00:17:38,644 I'll certainly try my best. 433 00:17:41,698 --> 00:17:42,853 That would be appreciated. 434 00:17:44,761 --> 00:17:46,277 Agent Mercier, 435 00:17:46,362 --> 00:17:48,060 could you describe what happened when you went 436 00:17:48,144 --> 00:17:50,012 into the defendant's courtroom to effect 437 00:17:50,097 --> 00:17:52,021 - a lawful arrest? - Well, the defendant 438 00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:54,707 came out of her chambers and essentially admitted 439 00:17:54,792 --> 00:17:57,159 that she purposely aided in the nurse's escape. 440 00:17:57,581 --> 00:17:58,730 Wow. 441 00:17:59,073 --> 00:18:00,691 And what were the repercussions of that? 442 00:18:00,776 --> 00:18:03,472 Well, the most significant was we lost our suspect. 443 00:18:04,073 --> 00:18:05,589 The nurse, Ms. Jansen. 444 00:18:05,674 --> 00:18:07,285 And do we have any idea where she is right now? 445 00:18:07,369 --> 00:18:09,683 We're not certain, but we believe she fled to Canada. 446 00:18:10,011 --> 00:18:13,782 And I assume the Bureau has made attempts to locate her? 447 00:18:13,995 --> 00:18:15,392 Several. 448 00:18:15,612 --> 00:18:16,980 I have nothing further. 449 00:18:18,589 --> 00:18:19,874 How red is it? 450 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:23,152 It is as red as red can be. 451 00:18:25,706 --> 00:18:26,862 Agent Mercier, 452 00:18:26,947 --> 00:18:29,176 thank you for testifying here today. 453 00:18:29,261 --> 00:18:30,331 Now... 454 00:18:31,456 --> 00:18:33,621 would it be fair to say that you, 455 00:18:33,706 --> 00:18:35,804 a federal agent, 456 00:18:35,888 --> 00:18:37,731 entered my client's courtroom, 457 00:18:37,816 --> 00:18:39,460 a New York State courtroom, 458 00:18:39,544 --> 00:18:42,115 for the sole purpose of arresting a witness? 459 00:18:42,199 --> 00:18:44,769 Yes. We've made no secret about that fact. 460 00:18:44,853 --> 00:18:46,800 That's precisely what we were there to do. 461 00:18:46,885 --> 00:18:49,687 And you don't thinkthere's anything amiss in that? 462 00:18:49,771 --> 00:18:52,301 Course not. As you well know, 463 00:18:52,386 --> 00:18:55,245 assisting in an act of suicide is a federal crime. 464 00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:58,113 Once we heard that the nurse was going to testify, 465 00:18:58,198 --> 00:19:00,350 once we realized that she was probably going to confess 466 00:19:00,434 --> 00:19:03,005 on the stand, we felt we had no choice 467 00:19:03,103 --> 00:19:04,823 but to be there and take her into custody. 468 00:19:04,908 --> 00:19:07,520 Really? Agent Mercier, are you familiar 469 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,917 with the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution? 470 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,275 "The powers 471 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,190 "not delegated to the United States 472 00:19:14,274 --> 00:19:15,670 "by the Constitution, 473 00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:18,495 "nor prohibited by it to the States, 474 00:19:18,612 --> 00:19:21,806 "are reserved to the States respectively, 475 00:19:22,292 --> 00:19:23,510 or to the people." 476 00:19:24,675 --> 00:19:26,159 You know what that means? 477 00:19:29,233 --> 00:19:34,105 Well, it means that federal law enforcement 478 00:19:34,417 --> 00:19:37,170 are not allowed to recklessly interfere 479 00:19:37,261 --> 00:19:38,933 with the functions of state court. 480 00:19:39,018 --> 00:19:42,167 Objection. Agent Mercier isn't on trial. 481 00:19:42,346 --> 00:19:43,828 And it isn't Mr. Colón's job 482 00:19:43,912 --> 00:19:45,386 to lecture us on the Constitution. 483 00:19:45,471 --> 00:19:48,085 I was getting to the question, Your Honor. 484 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:50,714 - Then ask it, please. - Yes, sir. 485 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:57,153 Now, you are a federal law enforcement agent, sir. 486 00:19:57,487 --> 00:19:59,089 Sworn to uphold the Constitution. 487 00:19:59,174 --> 00:20:01,758 Now, wouldn't you agree that state court judges 488 00:20:01,843 --> 00:20:04,777 have a solemn duty to protect witnesses 489 00:20:04,862 --> 00:20:06,155 and victims in their courtrooms? 490 00:20:06,433 --> 00:20:09,042 A duty guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment? 491 00:20:09,246 --> 00:20:11,333 Well, I'm not a constitutional scholar, sir, 492 00:20:11,418 --> 00:20:13,753 but yes, that sounds about right. 493 00:20:13,869 --> 00:20:16,308 And would it surprise you to know that the trial 494 00:20:16,393 --> 00:20:19,530 that you interrupted was declared a mistrial 495 00:20:19,831 --> 00:20:21,866 and cost the taxpayers a lot of money? 496 00:20:22,081 --> 00:20:23,477 No, I didn't know that. 497 00:20:23,683 --> 00:20:26,254 Sounds to me like you're the onewho violated the law 498 00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:28,183 and obstructed justice. 499 00:20:28,268 --> 00:20:29,277 Maybe you're the one, 500 00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:31,316 who should be sitting at the defense table, 501 00:20:31,401 --> 00:20:33,598 and Judge Duggan should be the key witness against you. 502 00:20:33,683 --> 00:20:34,909 Not the other way around. 503 00:20:34,994 --> 00:20:36,855 No further questions, Your Honor. 504 00:20:40,089 --> 00:20:41,621 Thank you, Mr. Colón. 505 00:20:41,706 --> 00:20:42,887 Nice job, sir. 506 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:45,107 All part of the service. 507 00:20:45,456 --> 00:20:46,804 Well, this seems good a place 508 00:20:46,888 --> 00:20:49,144 as any to stop for lunch, so... 509 00:20:49,325 --> 00:20:51,355 court will resume in an hour. 510 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:53,425 All right. 511 00:21:00,292 --> 00:21:02,612 It's, uh, an updated witness list. 512 00:21:03,034 --> 00:21:04,691 Debra Jansen? The nurse? 513 00:21:04,776 --> 00:21:06,058 They found her? 514 00:21:06,354 --> 00:21:09,391 I'm sensing this is not good for the home team. 515 00:21:09,831 --> 00:21:11,002 Nurse Jansen, 516 00:21:11,323 --> 00:21:13,918 please tell us how you came to be a fugitive from justice. 517 00:21:14,183 --> 00:21:17,362 Well, I was in Judge Duggan's courtroom 518 00:21:17,448 --> 00:21:18,527 testifying, 519 00:21:18,612 --> 00:21:20,495 and I guess these two FBI agents 520 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:21,598 came in. 521 00:21:21,683 --> 00:21:23,769 I didn't really notice at the time. 522 00:21:24,099 --> 00:21:26,082 But when I was done testifying, 523 00:21:26,167 --> 00:21:28,150 the judge had me come back to her office. 524 00:21:28,573 --> 00:21:30,413 That's when she told me she was pretty sure 525 00:21:30,497 --> 00:21:32,362 they were there to arrest me. 526 00:21:33,252 --> 00:21:35,808 Anyway, I asked the judge. 527 00:21:35,994 --> 00:21:37,495 I told her I wanted to call a lawyer, 528 00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:38,681 get some help. 529 00:21:38,766 --> 00:21:39,944 And did you do that? 530 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:41,946 The judge wouldn't let me. 531 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:44,145 She said there was no time for phone calls. 532 00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:47,410 So it was the defendant's idea 533 00:21:47,495 --> 00:21:48,792 for you to flee? 534 00:21:49,378 --> 00:21:50,644 Yes. 535 00:21:50,882 --> 00:21:53,801 She told me I should just run, 536 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:55,206 as far as I could, 537 00:21:55,291 --> 00:21:56,753 as fast as I could. 538 00:21:58,785 --> 00:22:00,156 That is not what happened. 539 00:22:00,241 --> 00:22:01,158 Lower your voice. 540 00:22:01,243 --> 00:22:02,243 So, 541 00:22:02,398 --> 00:22:03,472 that's what you did? 542 00:22:03,557 --> 00:22:05,127 She was the judge. 543 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:07,316 I did what I was told. 544 00:22:07,995 --> 00:22:09,235 Grabbed my kids, 545 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,487 jumped in my car and drove to Quebec. 546 00:22:12,655 --> 00:22:14,222 Your witness. 547 00:22:17,615 --> 00:22:19,543 So, evading the law... 548 00:22:19,628 --> 00:22:22,509 That's something you decided to do on your own. 549 00:22:22,691 --> 00:22:24,323 She told me to run, 550 00:22:24,408 --> 00:22:25,412 and I did. 551 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,735 "Run"? 552 00:22:26,945 --> 00:22:28,819 You sure that's the word she used? 553 00:22:29,089 --> 00:22:30,604 I'm sure.Hmm. 554 00:22:30,792 --> 00:22:32,519 You sure she didn't say, 555 00:22:32,769 --> 00:22:35,173 "Go to some place safe and call a lawyer 556 00:22:35,257 --> 00:22:36,636 "and come up with a plan, 557 00:22:36,721 --> 00:22:38,219 "so that when federal agents do 558 00:22:38,304 --> 00:22:39,898 eventually come and arrest you, 559 00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:42,268 you've got your ducks in a row"? 560 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,886 - She told me to run. - All right. 561 00:22:44,971 --> 00:22:46,410 Let's review. 562 00:22:46,749 --> 00:22:51,362 So, you escaped prosecution in the assisted suicide case 563 00:22:51,447 --> 00:22:53,152 by flipping on the doctor. 564 00:22:53,237 --> 00:22:54,152 Do I have that right? 565 00:22:54,237 --> 00:22:56,112 I was subpoenaed to testify against him. 566 00:22:56,197 --> 00:22:57,198 So I did. 567 00:22:57,283 --> 00:23:00,120 And now you're trying to curry favor with the Feds 568 00:23:00,205 --> 00:23:02,428 by turning on the one person who was trying to help you. 569 00:23:02,513 --> 00:23:04,245 I'm just trying to tell the truth. 570 00:23:04,330 --> 00:23:07,206 Oh, no. You are trying to save yourself from prison. 571 00:23:07,291 --> 00:23:08,317 Objection. 572 00:23:08,402 --> 00:23:11,089 Sustained. Ask a question. 573 00:23:11,495 --> 00:23:13,646 You cut a deal with the Feds, didn't you? 574 00:23:14,058 --> 00:23:16,449 I entered into a plea agreement with the prosecutor. 575 00:23:16,534 --> 00:23:17,737 Right, right. 576 00:23:17,822 --> 00:23:19,128 And part of that agreement 577 00:23:19,213 --> 00:23:20,826 required for you to testify 578 00:23:20,911 --> 00:23:23,220 against the one person who was looking out 579 00:23:23,305 --> 00:23:25,382 for you, the one person 580 00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:27,408 who advised you to get a lawyer first 581 00:23:27,538 --> 00:23:29,078 and then surrender to authorities, 582 00:23:29,163 --> 00:23:32,257 the one person whose only intent in all this 583 00:23:32,342 --> 00:23:33,343 was to help you. 584 00:23:33,428 --> 00:23:34,367 I don't know 585 00:23:34,452 --> 00:23:35,673 what her intent was. 586 00:23:36,057 --> 00:23:37,758 But she sure seemed happy 587 00:23:37,842 --> 00:23:39,554 to be sticking it to the FBI agents. 588 00:23:39,639 --> 00:23:41,062 Oh, come on. 589 00:23:41,147 --> 00:23:42,281 You don't know that. 590 00:23:42,366 --> 00:23:43,328 Sure, I do. 591 00:23:43,413 --> 00:23:44,765 When the A.D.A. left 592 00:23:44,849 --> 00:23:46,202 and I was alone with Judge Duggan, 593 00:23:46,287 --> 00:23:48,726 she called the Feds "feebs." 594 00:23:49,185 --> 00:23:51,187 She said,"Those feebs, 595 00:23:51,272 --> 00:23:53,494 "they think they're God, but they're not. 596 00:23:53,901 --> 00:23:56,632 In this courtroom, I'm God." 597 00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:00,077 She's lying. 598 00:24:00,168 --> 00:24:01,434 I would never saysuch a thing. 599 00:24:01,518 --> 00:24:02,609 I believe you. 600 00:24:02,693 --> 00:24:05,226 Unfortunately, my vote doesn't count. 601 00:24:07,672 --> 00:24:11,211 Judge Duggan, since the start of this trial, 602 00:24:11,296 --> 00:24:12,942 people have been sitting in the chair you're sitting in 603 00:24:13,026 --> 00:24:18,418 right now and they've painteda pretty damning picture of you. 604 00:24:18,503 --> 00:24:20,276 So here's my question. 605 00:24:21,393 --> 00:24:24,104 Is any of what Nurse Jansen said true? 606 00:24:24,393 --> 00:24:26,776 Did you intentionally obstruct justice? 607 00:24:26,861 --> 00:24:29,780 Were you flexing your power and your muscle 608 00:24:29,865 --> 00:24:31,348 and sending a message? 609 00:24:31,433 --> 00:24:34,352 Or is Ms. Jansen simply lying? 610 00:24:34,927 --> 00:24:38,573 Well, whether or not someone is lying is for the jury to decide. 611 00:24:38,681 --> 00:24:40,393 But I remember it quite differently. 612 00:24:40,697 --> 00:24:44,138 I admit I let Ms. Jansen leave out the back door. 613 00:24:44,933 --> 00:24:47,284 But I promise you it wasn't out of spite 614 00:24:47,369 --> 00:24:49,917 or because I have some sort of god complex. 615 00:24:50,002 --> 00:24:53,159 Well, then help us understand why you did it. 616 00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:56,745 I did it to protectthe integrity of the process. 617 00:24:57,922 --> 00:25:00,143 You have to understand... this is it for me. 618 00:25:00,649 --> 00:25:02,610 The law is my life. 619 00:25:02,982 --> 00:25:05,729 I eat, sleep and breathe it. 620 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,105 I'm not married. 621 00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:08,635 I don't have any children. 622 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:10,721 I don't even have any hobbies. 623 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:13,174 The courtroom is my home. 624 00:25:13,862 --> 00:25:16,674 The people who pass through here are my guests. 625 00:25:17,072 --> 00:25:19,448 And the people who work there are my family. 626 00:25:20,541 --> 00:25:21,753 From the timel was a child, 627 00:25:21,838 --> 00:25:23,669 all I ever wanted to be was a judge. 628 00:25:23,819 --> 00:25:24,971 Other kids had 629 00:25:25,056 --> 00:25:28,323 astronauts or sports stars as their heroes. 630 00:25:28,815 --> 00:25:31,565 I had a big poster of Justice Thurgood Marshall 631 00:25:31,686 --> 00:25:33,256 - above my bed. - Mm. 632 00:25:34,198 --> 00:25:36,112 I believe in the justice system. 633 00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:38,642 I revere it. 634 00:25:39,017 --> 00:25:41,135 But I also know how fragile it is. 635 00:25:41,469 --> 00:25:44,237 You tell people they have something to fear by testifying, 636 00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:46,620 they will stop testifying. 637 00:25:47,478 --> 00:25:50,054 And if that happens, in my opinion, 638 00:25:50,275 --> 00:25:52,620 that is the end of a civilized society. 639 00:25:56,292 --> 00:25:58,281 Marissa, please tell me this is making 640 00:25:58,365 --> 00:25:59,385 a difference. 641 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:01,729 Well, we just got our first green. 642 00:26:03,174 --> 00:26:04,151 So, 643 00:26:04,236 --> 00:26:05,762 just to be clear, 644 00:26:06,192 --> 00:26:09,003 why exactly did you allow Nurse Jansen 645 00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:11,818 to leave via the back door in the courthouse 646 00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:14,893 when you knew federal agents were waiting in your courtroom 647 00:26:14,978 --> 00:26:16,151 to arrest her? 648 00:26:16,251 --> 00:26:17,734 So she could get an attorney. 649 00:26:17,991 --> 00:26:19,909 So she could have someoneon her side 650 00:26:19,994 --> 00:26:22,347 when she surrendered to the authorities. 651 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:25,568 She came into my courtroom thinking she was safe. 652 00:26:25,845 --> 00:26:29,268 She made a deal with the A.D.A.that she would testify 653 00:26:29,353 --> 00:26:32,664 in return for her promise that she wouldn't be prosecuted. 654 00:26:33,229 --> 00:26:35,318 Unfortunately, the district attorney failed 655 00:26:35,402 --> 00:26:36,504 to run the deal by the Feds, 656 00:26:36,588 --> 00:26:39,175 so they felt they were under no obligation 657 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:40,510 to abide by it. 658 00:26:40,603 --> 00:26:42,268 And you felt that was unfair? 659 00:26:42,353 --> 00:26:43,662 I felt the state prosecutor 660 00:26:43,747 --> 00:26:46,057 put her and me in a terrible position. 661 00:26:46,815 --> 00:26:49,158 When she found out the Feds were there to arrest her, 662 00:26:49,249 --> 00:26:50,533 she was crying. 663 00:26:50,765 --> 00:26:52,284 She was worried about her children. 664 00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:55,557 So you never instructed her to flee the country? 665 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:58,768 That would make mean accessory to a federal crime. 666 00:26:59,995 --> 00:27:02,440 I took an oath to uphold the law, 667 00:27:02,844 --> 00:27:04,066 not violate it. 668 00:27:04,213 --> 00:27:05,315 Thank you. 669 00:27:05,934 --> 00:27:08,023 That's all I have, Your Honor. 670 00:27:16,237 --> 00:27:19,143 So, let me be certain that I understand. 671 00:27:20,142 --> 00:27:23,628 You just testified that you're totally committed to the law, 672 00:27:23,713 --> 00:27:25,806 that your sole interest, 673 00:27:25,891 --> 00:27:27,073 your only interest, 674 00:27:27,158 --> 00:27:29,815 is the pursuit of justice. 675 00:27:30,058 --> 00:27:31,106 Is that correct? 676 00:27:31,197 --> 00:27:33,323 Yes. So, in a sense, 677 00:27:33,432 --> 00:27:35,065 the work that you do... 678 00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:37,151 Tweeting out your messages about the court system, 679 00:27:37,236 --> 00:27:39,854 advising a witness in your courtroom to seek counsel 680 00:27:39,939 --> 00:27:41,291 before she can be arrested... 681 00:27:41,376 --> 00:27:43,773 That's all... altruistic? 682 00:27:43,866 --> 00:27:46,088 I mean, there's nothing in it for you. 683 00:27:46,203 --> 00:27:48,765 Y-You're not seeking notoriety or fame, 684 00:27:48,850 --> 00:27:50,246 - are you? - No. 685 00:27:50,535 --> 00:27:52,848 If fame or notoriety is a by-product 686 00:27:52,933 --> 00:27:55,565 of getting people excited about the judicial system, 687 00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:56,676 then so be it. 688 00:27:56,761 --> 00:27:58,987 But, no, it is not my goal. 689 00:27:59,072 --> 00:28:01,253 You're just a humble, honest... 690 00:28:02,302 --> 00:28:04,557 down-to-earth state court judge. 691 00:28:04,649 --> 00:28:06,745 I like to think so. Yes. 692 00:28:06,911 --> 00:28:09,347 Well, thank you for your honesty. 693 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,120 Nothing further. 694 00:28:16,668 --> 00:28:17,948 What in the world was that about? 695 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,120 Well, whatever it was, it didn't work. 696 00:28:20,212 --> 00:28:22,844 It just keeps getting greener and greener 697 00:28:22,929 --> 00:28:24,097 in here. 698 00:28:24,594 --> 00:28:26,339 Anything else from either side? 699 00:28:26,424 --> 00:28:28,893 Um, not at this time, Your Honor. 700 00:28:28,978 --> 00:28:30,243 The defense rests. 701 00:28:30,328 --> 00:28:31,784 Your Honor, if the defense 702 00:28:31,869 --> 00:28:33,035 is done with their presentation, 703 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,565 the government would like to call a rebuttal witness. 704 00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:37,206 Of course you would. 705 00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:39,307 Please tell us your name and occupation. 706 00:28:39,392 --> 00:28:40,483 My name is Jake Monroe. 707 00:28:40,568 --> 00:28:42,270 I'm in the entertainment business. 708 00:28:42,355 --> 00:28:44,901 Uh, artist representative. 709 00:28:45,347 --> 00:28:46,506 Talent agent. 710 00:28:46,607 --> 00:28:48,979 So you represent TV stars? Actors and actresses? 711 00:28:49,064 --> 00:28:50,551 Well, the vast majority of my business is 712 00:28:50,635 --> 00:28:53,269 in what's called nonfiction television. 713 00:28:53,354 --> 00:28:56,111 Uh, reality television. I see. 714 00:28:56,603 --> 00:28:58,745 And are you familiar with the defendant? 715 00:28:58,830 --> 00:29:00,893 Uh, I am. She and I actually had 716 00:29:00,978 --> 00:29:02,809 a number of discussions about the possibility 717 00:29:02,894 --> 00:29:05,214 of her getting into television. 718 00:29:06,947 --> 00:29:08,597 Is this true? You have an agent? 719 00:29:08,682 --> 00:29:09,733 How did we not know this? 720 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:11,474 No. I've never had an agent. 721 00:29:11,558 --> 00:29:14,386 He invited me to lunch.Twice. That's it. 722 00:29:14,471 --> 00:29:16,245 I'm confused. Why would 723 00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:17,940 a state judge need a talent agent? 724 00:29:18,025 --> 00:29:20,027 She was elected to office. She has a job. 725 00:29:20,112 --> 00:29:24,095 Well, courtroom shows are a very lucrative, uh, staple 726 00:29:24,179 --> 00:29:25,690 of daytime television. 727 00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:28,098 I read about Judge Duggan in the papers, 728 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,823 uh, started to follow her Twitter account. 729 00:29:30,958 --> 00:29:32,597 And I've genuinely come to believe 730 00:29:32,682 --> 00:29:34,082 that she could be the next Judge Judy. 731 00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:35,910 Excuse me, Judge who? 732 00:29:35,995 --> 00:29:38,550 Judge Judy. Very successful. 733 00:29:38,995 --> 00:29:41,066 But she's starting to age out of the job. 734 00:29:41,151 --> 00:29:43,542 It's hard not to imagine that someone like Judge Duggan, 735 00:29:43,627 --> 00:29:46,720 or someone like her, is a potential successor. 736 00:29:47,104 --> 00:29:49,667 So you think she could be a television judge? 737 00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:50,858 I do. 738 00:29:50,943 --> 00:29:53,732 I mean, look at her. She's beautiful, 739 00:29:53,817 --> 00:29:55,112 charismatic. 740 00:29:55,197 --> 00:29:58,377 She's positioned herself well. She already has a following. 741 00:29:58,461 --> 00:30:01,129 You're talking about all the-the tweeting, 742 00:30:01,214 --> 00:30:03,237 posting, social media. 743 00:30:03,322 --> 00:30:04,631 Objection, Your Honor. 744 00:30:04,716 --> 00:30:05,793 Counsel is leading the witness. 745 00:30:05,877 --> 00:30:08,198 - Sustained. - That's fine. 746 00:30:08,283 --> 00:30:10,114 I have nothing further, Your Honor. 747 00:30:13,916 --> 00:30:16,315 Did Taylor see anything about this on social media? 748 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,940 Taylor looked through everypost, tweet, blog and hashtag... 749 00:30:19,025 --> 00:30:20,745 With a fine-tooth comb, and there's nothing 750 00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:23,339 about an agent, nothing about television. 751 00:30:25,101 --> 00:30:26,801 Did you actually sign any kind of agreement 752 00:30:26,886 --> 00:30:28,419 - with this guy? - No. 753 00:30:28,504 --> 00:30:29,856 Of course not. 754 00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:31,909 He told me he wanted to make me a star. 755 00:30:31,994 --> 00:30:34,643 I laughed and picked his brain about social media. 756 00:30:34,728 --> 00:30:36,384 Are you ready to cross-examine, Counselor? 757 00:30:36,469 --> 00:30:39,128 Yes, I am, Your Honor. 758 00:30:40,362 --> 00:30:41,550 Mr. Monroe, 759 00:30:41,635 --> 00:30:42,857 yes or no question: 760 00:30:42,942 --> 00:30:45,078 did my client sign a contract with you? 761 00:30:45,163 --> 00:30:47,037 Uh, on paper, no. 762 00:30:47,349 --> 00:30:48,919 But we had an understanding, 763 00:30:49,003 --> 00:30:50,660 which is a fairly typical way of doing things 764 00:30:50,744 --> 00:30:51,835 in the entertainment business. 765 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:53,854 And when the two of you first met, 766 00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:55,275 who initiated the meeting? 767 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:56,320 Did she call you, 768 00:30:56,405 --> 00:30:57,452 or did you call her? 769 00:30:57,537 --> 00:30:59,503 Uh, I initiated. I called her. 770 00:30:59,588 --> 00:31:02,681 So this was all about an idea you had. 771 00:31:02,852 --> 00:31:05,423 Point of fact, my client never authorized you 772 00:31:05,508 --> 00:31:08,354 to seek any television opportunities on her behalf. 773 00:31:08,485 --> 00:31:09,823 Isn't that true? 774 00:31:10,074 --> 00:31:11,815 No, I don't believe it is. 775 00:31:11,972 --> 00:31:14,161 Look, I do this for a living. 776 00:31:14,245 --> 00:31:16,120 Yes, she was playing hard to get. 777 00:31:16,204 --> 00:31:18,737 She never actually said, "Go do this for me." 778 00:31:19,424 --> 00:31:21,261 But we had lunch twice. 779 00:31:21,862 --> 00:31:23,475 And you don't come back a second time 780 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,050 unless you heard something you liked the first time. 781 00:31:28,506 --> 00:31:32,479 We have lost all but one of our greens. 782 00:31:34,651 --> 00:31:35,878 Come on, Benny. 783 00:31:35,963 --> 00:31:37,253 You admit... 784 00:31:38,966 --> 00:31:42,625 my client has no agreement in place with you? 785 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:44,714 Verbal or written. Yes or no? 786 00:31:44,846 --> 00:31:47,585 - No, we have no agreement. - And the fact is, 787 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:51,151 while you may be looking for a television opportunity for her, 788 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:53,592 none of it is being done at her behest... true? 789 00:31:53,677 --> 00:31:55,092 True. 790 00:31:55,185 --> 00:31:57,581 Maybe she was saying what she meant. 791 00:31:57,857 --> 00:32:00,559 Maybe she wasn't interested in you... or TV. 792 00:32:00,644 --> 00:32:02,910 Objection. Counsel is testifying. 793 00:32:02,994 --> 00:32:05,473 - Ask a question. - Okay. All right. 794 00:32:05,558 --> 00:32:07,175 Here's a question. 795 00:32:08,059 --> 00:32:09,455 What's your motive here? 796 00:32:10,322 --> 00:32:12,050 This all about sour grapes? 797 00:32:12,784 --> 00:32:15,614 Because if you believe in Judge Duggan, 798 00:32:15,698 --> 00:32:19,261 if you believe, like I do, that her passion for the law, 799 00:32:19,346 --> 00:32:22,091 her sense of integrity, her ability to communicate 800 00:32:22,176 --> 00:32:24,659 what makes our system of justice so special 801 00:32:24,744 --> 00:32:27,098 is in fact what makes her special, 802 00:32:27,383 --> 00:32:29,104 then what are you hoping to accomplish 803 00:32:29,189 --> 00:32:32,239 by coming in here and casting aspersions against her? 804 00:32:32,475 --> 00:32:34,567 You know, if this jury finds her guilty, 805 00:32:34,761 --> 00:32:37,375 not only will she be done as a judge, 806 00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:41,074 but you won't be able to sell her to television. 807 00:32:41,206 --> 00:32:42,400 After all, 808 00:32:42,485 --> 00:32:44,972 who wants a judge that's been found guilty 809 00:32:45,057 --> 00:32:46,975 of obstructing justice? 810 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:49,518 Everybody. 811 00:32:50,182 --> 00:32:51,433 I mean, this woman is on the cusp 812 00:32:51,517 --> 00:32:52,886 of being a folk hero. 813 00:32:53,055 --> 00:32:56,761 She helped a regular citizen escape the clutches of the FBI. 814 00:32:57,812 --> 00:32:59,251 This is America. 815 00:32:59,336 --> 00:33:01,776 We look up to peoplewith a touch of badass in them. 816 00:33:02,366 --> 00:33:04,909 And, if I'm being completely honest, 817 00:33:05,078 --> 00:33:07,665 she's an easier sell if she loses this thing 818 00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:08,987 than if she wins. 819 00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:11,159 That's just the truth. 820 00:33:13,047 --> 00:33:14,965 Tell me they know better. 821 00:33:15,112 --> 00:33:16,943 Tell me they can see through his cynicism. 822 00:33:17,074 --> 00:33:20,167 They know better. They can see through his cynicism. 823 00:33:21,183 --> 00:33:22,537 Mr. Colón, 824 00:33:22,622 --> 00:33:24,540 do you have anything else for this witness? 825 00:33:25,315 --> 00:33:27,784 Nothing I can say in court, Your Honor. 826 00:33:29,981 --> 00:33:31,896 Will the defendant please rise? 827 00:33:37,189 --> 00:33:39,909 Madam Foreperson, have you reached a verdict? 828 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:41,654 We have, Your Honor. 829 00:33:42,712 --> 00:33:44,831 We, the jury, find the defendant guilty 830 00:33:44,916 --> 00:33:48,089 - on all counts. - Your Honor, 831 00:33:48,174 --> 00:33:49,874 the United States moves for sentencing. 832 00:33:49,959 --> 00:33:51,703 Put sentencing over to next week. 833 00:33:51,788 --> 00:33:54,737 - Why? We're just delaying the inevitable. - Not necessarily. 834 00:33:54,837 --> 00:33:56,511 She's right. It's over, Bull. 835 00:33:56,596 --> 00:33:58,166 I asked you to do something. 836 00:33:58,259 --> 00:33:59,695 Is the defense ready for sentencing? 837 00:34:02,439 --> 00:34:04,053 No, Your Honor. 838 00:34:04,138 --> 00:34:07,417 We'd like a few days so I can prepare my arguments, 839 00:34:07,502 --> 00:34:09,672 and my client can gether affairs in order. 840 00:34:14,209 --> 00:34:16,555 You can respect the process, 841 00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:18,493 and still not agreewith the outcome. 842 00:34:19,114 --> 00:34:20,454 And I don't. 843 00:34:22,431 --> 00:34:24,131 So here are my two cents. 844 00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:27,056 I think you're exactly the kind of judge 845 00:34:27,141 --> 00:34:28,875 we need on the bench. 846 00:34:29,781 --> 00:34:31,321 I mean it. 847 00:34:31,915 --> 00:34:33,663 You're smart and fair. 848 00:34:33,747 --> 00:34:35,540 You treat everyone with respect. 849 00:34:36,837 --> 00:34:40,060 And you seem determined to breathe life 850 00:34:40,144 --> 00:34:42,106 into an otherwise stodgy institution. 851 00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:45,516 Not to mention you make people actually want to be here. 852 00:34:45,758 --> 00:34:48,219 You have any idea what a feat that is? 853 00:34:49,125 --> 00:34:50,597 So I'm not giving up. 854 00:34:52,008 --> 00:34:53,223 There's got to be some common ground. 855 00:34:53,307 --> 00:34:54,554 You're both judges. 856 00:34:54,828 --> 00:34:56,120 And you're both stubborn. 857 00:34:56,717 --> 00:34:58,321 You're both committed to your work. 858 00:34:58,406 --> 00:35:01,517 It doesn't matter. He has it in for me. 859 00:35:02,023 --> 00:35:04,701 Let's not forget he locked me up for contempt. 860 00:35:04,786 --> 00:35:07,133 Because you violated his rules. 861 00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:09,486 That's right. You spoke out of turn, 862 00:35:09,570 --> 00:35:11,750 and Judge Hollingsworth did something about it. 863 00:35:12,062 --> 00:35:14,266 He exercised his judicial discretion. 864 00:35:14,351 --> 00:35:15,868 And when you stop and think about it, 865 00:35:15,953 --> 00:35:18,344 he believes in judicial sovereignty, 866 00:35:18,429 --> 00:35:19,938 which is kind of another way of saying 867 00:35:20,023 --> 00:35:22,890 he believes in the sanctity of the courtroom. 868 00:35:24,156 --> 00:35:25,875 Does that remind you of anyone? 869 00:35:27,531 --> 00:35:29,633 Are both parties prepared to make their arguments 870 00:35:29,718 --> 00:35:30,850 on sentencing? 871 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:33,418 Actually, we'd like to call a witness, Your Honor. 872 00:35:33,647 --> 00:35:35,501 We'd like to callJames Wheeler. 873 00:35:35,586 --> 00:35:37,696 Objection. We haven't been given notice. 874 00:35:37,781 --> 00:35:39,602 This is the first we've heard of this witness. 875 00:35:39,687 --> 00:35:41,212 Well, as counsel well knows, 876 00:35:41,297 --> 00:35:44,781 the rules of discovery don't apply in sentencing hearings. 877 00:35:44,945 --> 00:35:46,391 No notice is required. 878 00:35:46,476 --> 00:35:49,289 I agree. Let's hear from Mr. Wheeler. 879 00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:52,063 I'm gonna get right to it, Mr. Wheeler. 880 00:35:52,148 --> 00:35:53,313 You are no stranger 881 00:35:53,398 --> 00:35:55,875 to the criminal justice system, are you? 882 00:35:56,375 --> 00:35:58,453 No, I'm sorry to say I'm not. 883 00:35:58,538 --> 00:36:01,633 You have been convicted of a crime, haven't you? 884 00:36:02,875 --> 00:36:04,727 Yes. When I was a teenager, 885 00:36:04,812 --> 00:36:07,328 I... I was a member of a gang, 886 00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:11,117 and I... we got into trouble, yes. 887 00:36:11,757 --> 00:36:14,867 Five years ago, did you rob a liquor store? 888 00:36:15,015 --> 00:36:16,359 I did. 889 00:36:16,664 --> 00:36:17,751 Four of us went in, 890 00:36:17,836 --> 00:36:19,414 and one of the guys had a gun. 891 00:36:19,499 --> 00:36:22,265 And you stood watch while he demanded money. 892 00:36:23,546 --> 00:36:25,155 Yes, I did. 893 00:36:26,062 --> 00:36:28,429 And were you prosecuted for the robbery? 894 00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:29,779 We all were. 895 00:36:30,554 --> 00:36:33,555 And everyone got sent to prison, 896 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,393 ex-except me. 897 00:36:35,593 --> 00:36:37,343 - And why is that? - Your Honor, 898 00:36:37,584 --> 00:36:38,992 we all know where this is going. 899 00:36:39,077 --> 00:36:40,843 I'd like to hear from the witness. 900 00:36:41,272 --> 00:36:42,366 Continue. 901 00:36:43,439 --> 00:36:44,617 I don't know. 902 00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:46,531 I think the judge saw something in me, 903 00:36:46,616 --> 00:36:48,929 thought I-I could do something with my life. 904 00:36:49,701 --> 00:36:52,149 Anyway, I got sentenced to probation. 905 00:36:52,343 --> 00:36:54,030 And what's happened since then? 906 00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:57,140 Well, I finished my probation. 907 00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:59,632 Haven't gotten in trouble since. 908 00:36:59,865 --> 00:37:01,171 You finish high school? 909 00:37:01,978 --> 00:37:03,374 Got my GED, 910 00:37:03,498 --> 00:37:05,198 and now I'm in college, 911 00:37:05,335 --> 00:37:07,116 studying to be a computer programmer. 912 00:37:07,405 --> 00:37:10,016 And I-I also help out my little brother. 913 00:37:10,101 --> 00:37:12,484 He's graduating high school next year. 914 00:37:13,241 --> 00:37:14,601 So... 915 00:37:15,124 --> 00:37:17,741 the judge saw something special in you, 916 00:37:18,452 --> 00:37:20,320 gave you a break, and now 917 00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:23,921 you are a productive member of society. 918 00:37:24,538 --> 00:37:27,296 I-I like to think so, yeah. 919 00:37:28,351 --> 00:37:32,063 Mr. Wheeler, could you please look around the courtroom 920 00:37:32,148 --> 00:37:34,491 and identify that judge for us? 921 00:37:38,945 --> 00:37:40,359 Uh... 922 00:37:42,514 --> 00:37:44,128 he's sitting right here. 923 00:37:45,879 --> 00:37:47,484 Judge Hollingsworth... 924 00:37:49,866 --> 00:37:51,088 Thank you. 925 00:37:52,468 --> 00:37:54,460 I-I know it's been a while. 926 00:37:54,633 --> 00:37:57,054 I guess you don'tremember me. 927 00:37:57,361 --> 00:37:58,797 But I remember you. 928 00:38:00,698 --> 00:38:03,005 And I'll never forget what you did for me. 929 00:38:04,287 --> 00:38:07,349 Objection. That is a touching story, 930 00:38:07,434 --> 00:38:09,443 but the witness has no relevance 931 00:38:09,528 --> 00:38:11,685 to the sentencing of this defendant. 932 00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:13,865 I'm sorry, I disagree. 933 00:38:14,401 --> 00:38:16,490 It's completely relevant, Your Honor. 934 00:38:16,869 --> 00:38:19,325 You know, there's a striking similarity between 935 00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:21,589 what you did for Mr. Wheeler 936 00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:24,506 and what Judge Duggan was trying to do for Nurse Jansen. 937 00:38:25,133 --> 00:38:27,747 Now, Nurse Jansen was 938 00:38:27,949 --> 00:38:29,482 led to believe that 939 00:38:29,567 --> 00:38:33,748 what she was doing, testifying, was the right thing to do. 940 00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:36,825 Not a trap, but a solemn duty. 941 00:38:37,249 --> 00:38:38,966 And even though it might not have 942 00:38:39,051 --> 00:38:41,186 hewed to the letter of the law, 943 00:38:41,316 --> 00:38:44,083 Judge Duggan could not allow herto be arrested 944 00:38:44,168 --> 00:38:45,763 without benefit of counsel. 945 00:38:46,664 --> 00:38:51,396 Hauled off in handcuffs in front of jurors 946 00:38:51,481 --> 00:38:52,919 and members of the general public 947 00:38:53,004 --> 00:38:54,104 sitting in the gallery. 948 00:38:54,197 --> 00:38:55,521 No. 949 00:38:56,439 --> 00:38:58,357 In her judicial wisdom, 950 00:38:58,910 --> 00:39:01,904 she realized there had to be another way. 951 00:39:02,487 --> 00:39:04,739 One that didn't compromise her courtroom, 952 00:39:04,824 --> 00:39:09,223 but also didn't shortchange or undercut the authority 953 00:39:09,308 --> 00:39:12,140 of the federal agents charged with bringing her in. 954 00:39:12,373 --> 00:39:14,294 Don't you see, Judge Hollingsworth? 955 00:39:16,196 --> 00:39:18,811 You did the same thing in Mr. Wheeler's case. 956 00:39:19,583 --> 00:39:22,013 You ignored the federal sentencing guidelines, 957 00:39:22,098 --> 00:39:25,565 and instead, looked to the purpose behind them. 958 00:39:26,016 --> 00:39:29,153 Which is to promote public safety 959 00:39:29,238 --> 00:39:30,720 and the good of our society. 960 00:39:30,928 --> 00:39:33,700 I mean, isn't that one of the reasons why we have judges? 961 00:39:34,577 --> 00:39:38,059 To bring their human wisdom and judgment to bear? 962 00:39:40,731 --> 00:39:42,607 Thank you, Mr. Colón. 963 00:39:44,335 --> 00:39:45,644 Mr. Olsen, 964 00:39:45,734 --> 00:39:47,760 do you have any evidence to present on sentencing? 965 00:39:49,232 --> 00:39:51,396 No, Your Honor. 966 00:39:51,481 --> 00:39:54,302 I would simply ask that you sentence the defendant 967 00:39:54,387 --> 00:39:55,652 to serve 48 months 968 00:39:55,737 --> 00:39:57,661 - in prison. - Mr. Colón, 969 00:39:57,746 --> 00:39:59,130 I'll hear your recommendation. 970 00:39:59,215 --> 00:40:02,265 Actually, Your Honor, I'm not making any recommendations. 971 00:40:03,168 --> 00:40:06,130 I'm asking you to exercise your sovereignty 972 00:40:06,215 --> 00:40:07,828 and discretion one more time. 973 00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:10,036 You have the power 974 00:40:10,121 --> 00:40:11,466 to right this wrong. 975 00:40:11,668 --> 00:40:13,891 You can issue a judgment of acquittal. 976 00:40:14,772 --> 00:40:16,849 You want me to set aside the jury's verdict 977 00:40:16,934 --> 00:40:19,023 and enter a finding of not guilty? 978 00:40:19,694 --> 00:40:21,146 I do. 979 00:40:21,919 --> 00:40:23,325 It's highly unusual. 980 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:25,938 Unusual, but not unwarranted. 981 00:40:26,092 --> 00:40:29,968 Judge Duggan is a principled jurist, and so are you. 982 00:40:31,093 --> 00:40:33,169 No legitimate purpose 983 00:40:33,254 --> 00:40:35,630 will be served by branding her a felon 984 00:40:35,715 --> 00:40:37,146 and sending her to prison. 985 00:40:50,249 --> 00:40:53,341 Judge Duggan, please rise. 986 00:40:57,255 --> 00:40:58,802 I've made my ruling. 987 00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:02,927 I don't condone what you did, 988 00:41:03,959 --> 00:41:06,966 but I respect your reasoning. 989 00:41:08,953 --> 00:41:11,872 And I'm-I'm going to adopt Mr. Colón's request 990 00:41:12,202 --> 00:41:14,474 and issue a judgment for acquittal. 991 00:41:15,369 --> 00:41:16,503 Your Honor... 992 00:41:16,588 --> 00:41:18,568 Do not speak, Mr. Olsen, 993 00:41:18,653 --> 00:41:21,216 or I will hold you in contempt. 994 00:41:21,736 --> 00:41:23,091 I hereby 995 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,094 set aside the jury's verdict, 996 00:41:25,179 --> 00:41:27,967 and I find you not guilty. 997 00:41:28,063 --> 00:41:30,333 Court is in recess. 998 00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:39,773 Hey. 999 00:41:40,459 --> 00:41:43,029 Ah.Look at her. 1000 00:41:43,392 --> 00:41:45,419 She looks like a kid who just found out 1001 00:41:45,504 --> 00:41:47,896 she doesn't have to change schools, clean out her locker 1002 00:41:47,988 --> 00:41:49,935 - and leave her friends after all. - Mm. 1003 00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:51,859 Of course, it'snot quite over. 1004 00:41:51,943 --> 00:41:54,880 She's still got to go before the Committee on Judicial Conduct. 1005 00:41:55,529 --> 00:41:58,661 I'm gonna see if they'll let me testify on her behalf. 1006 00:42:00,105 --> 00:42:02,091 You were right about her, Bull. 1007 00:42:02,449 --> 00:42:04,388 You were right about all of it.: Yeah. 1008 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,021 Well, what can I say? 1009 00:42:06,184 --> 00:42:09,876 She loves court, trials and juries. 1010 00:42:10,638 --> 00:42:12,200 Guess it takes oneto know one. 1011 00:42:12,513 --> 00:42:14,099 Want to get out of here? 1012 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,849 Lead the way, sir. 1013 00:42:18,286 --> 00:42:21,060 Synchronized by srjanapala 74279

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