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Ladies and Gentlemen,
here she is now.
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Let's get together and
meet that very delightful,
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that sultry siren of the southland,
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the lovely Bettie Page.
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Who are you?
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I'm an illusion.
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You're an illusion?
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Then you're not real?
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Of course, I'm real.
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It is very difficult
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to find a parallel for her.
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I mean, this combination of...
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naughty and nice.
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And it is all in the
context of innocence.
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She expressed sexual liberation.
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Bettie is still this subversive,
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adventurous, sexual persona
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that people are trying to emulate.
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I think it's like the confusion
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between maybe the real person
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and the artwork and the cartoons,
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like all of these...
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it's sort of confusing even whether
she was a real person or not.
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People love Bettie Page
for her whole being
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for the radiance that she exuded,
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the sexuality that she showed
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without being cheap, ever.
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And women gravitated
to that concept.
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The remarkable thing
about her image is
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how much it has
influenced pop culture
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from movies to music to
fashion. It's remarkable.
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One of the things that I
love about her iconography
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is that she just portrayed
herself as a very strong woman,
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even if she was not in
the position of power.
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She's lasted because she
has that rare quality
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that's sort of hard to define,
it's that sort of ultimate star quality.
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I feel like a lot of girls like me
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can identify with Bettie
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because you can kind
of capture the spirit
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of that sexy, sensual,
timeless look.
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She looks fantastic and I
think that's what men prefer.
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I don't think men prefer the
really skinny, bones thin women.
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I think Bettie Page
is a real woman.
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I mean she have form, boobs,
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butt, and that's very beautiful.
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I gave her a lot of credit because
she opened the door for a lot of us.
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She's the most
important glamour icon
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that she really paved the
way for all the rest.
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And she's beautiful but
yet she's approachable,
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she's the girl next door.
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Bettie Page is the good
girl but she's a bad girl.
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She's fun, she's playful.
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All right, bitch, bring it.
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Oh, st... ah!
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I mean, she's the reason
why we're all here today
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in a sense is because of her,
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I mean, she's the original pinup
girl, she's the original.
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We're all going to be dust,
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they'll be nothing else anymore,
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and there'll always be
Bettie Page no matter what.
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She had the magic.
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She was deeply religious.
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She was willing to do all kinds
of crazy outrageous things.
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There's some rather large
skeletons in that woman's closet.
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How do you reconcile that behavior
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with the image that she
projects in these photographs?
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She reached the peak of popularity
in her profession and disappeared.
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Nobody knew what
happened to Bettie Page.
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Bettie, if you know
what's going on,
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I want to tell you this is your
friend Robert Schuller saying,
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"This too is the day
that God has made.
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Let us rejoice and be glad in it."
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We all thought we knew her
from different perspectives,
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but I'm sure no one will
leave this place today
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without having had another glimpse
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into the private heart of Bettie.
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Okay, Bettie, I'll just
ask you some questions.
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Okay.
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You were born in Nashville, right?
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I was born in Nashville, Tennessee,
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April 22nd, 1923.
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We were so poor, we lived on beans,
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fried potatoes, and macaroni.
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You couldn't talk to Mama,
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she didn't want any girls
in the first place.
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She always wanted only two boys.
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My father was a womanizer
of the worst sort.
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A sex fiend is the way to put it.
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I mean sex with anything that he
could get his "you know what" into.
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Chickens, and sheep,
and cows, and anything.
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And in order to get 10
cents to go to the movies,
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I let him fool around
on the outside.
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Now, he didn't penetrate me inside
like he did my two sisters.
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Mama left him and hitchhiked
30 miles to Nashville
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with six children,
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and she was uneducated,
only a third grade education,
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she had no trade at all,
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and she couldn't take care
of all six of us children,
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so my two sisters and I were put in
a Protestant orphanage for a year.
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The orphanage was run
by three old maids.
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They would talk to us like dogs,
they were very mean to us,
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and they had me scrubbing
floors all the time.
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I was only 11 years old then.
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We just hated that place.
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I was so glad to get out of there.
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I learned to pose from
movie star pictures
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in magazines and newspapers.
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And my sisters and I would
try to mimic their poses.
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We'd even get out in the front
yard with our underwear on.
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I had several photographers
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and amateur photographers
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come up and approach me and ask me
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if they could take pictures
of me, I always said yes.
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My dream when I was in high
school was to be Valedictorian,
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and I studied so hard
trying to be Valedictorian
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because with it was a four year
scholarship to Vanderbilt University.
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But I was beat out of Valedictorian
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by one-quarter of a point now,
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can you imagine, and I had to
settle for being Salutatorian.
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And all I got was a
$100 scholarship
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to George Peabody
College for Teachers.
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After high school,
I started dating Billy Neal.
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He was a big sports
hero around town.
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And he taught me to dance,
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which I've always loved.
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And he taught me
everything about sex too,
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which I enjoyed.
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Well, when the war came on,
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he was drafted one
day into the army,
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and he started bugging
me about marrying him.
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We got on the bus and went
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30 miles to Galliton, Tennessee,
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and were married in five minutes.
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And when I got on the bus
to go back with him,
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I said to myself,
"What have I done?"
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Well, we were in San
Francisco, 1944.
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And this fella, he took
a lot of pictures of me
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and sent some of them
down to 20th Century Fox.
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I had a screen test
with John Russell
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who later played the
lawman on a TV series.
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But that test was awful.
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They tried to make me up
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to look like Joan Crawford.
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Didn't even look like me.
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While I was at the studio,
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this big car pulled up beside me...
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and a big fat guy,
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very ugly looking fella,
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wanted me to go to dinner with him.
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I told him no.
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And he said, "You'll be sorry."
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Well, he was at the
head of the table
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when I went to learn
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the results of the screen test.
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That test was awful.
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I was so disappointed and unhappy
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over the failure of
the screen test,
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when I got back to San Francisco,
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I started eating.
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Within two months, I ballooned
way up to 162 pounds.
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Well, my sister came to visit me,
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Goldie, from Nashville.
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She said that the landlord,
he had cussed her out
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and accused her of causing
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the sink in the bathroom
to fall off the wall.
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I went to the door, and
boy, he flew in on me,
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beating me in the face with
his fist, just a mad man.
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And Goldie grabbed the milk bottle and
cracked him over the head with it.
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And he started bleeding
down the front of his head,
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and he thought he was
dying, and we did too.
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Because Goldie was underage,
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under 21, I'm the one
who had to testify,
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even though I'm not the one
who hit him over the head.
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But they gave me a 30-day suspended
sentence and I had to pay 10 dollars,
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and it was in the paper,
a great big picture of me
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and a big headline,
"Tenant Bashes Landlord".
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Well, Billy came back
from fighting overseas.
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He had battle fatigue,
you know, he was in the hospital,
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in the army hospital in
Guam for about six months.
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When he came home,
he wasn't the same guy.
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He was a jealous maniac.
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Accused me of sleeping with
every sailor in San Francisco,
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and he went off the deep end.
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So I tried so hard to make a go of
it with him but it was impossible.
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We were sitting in the kitchen,
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and he had a knife
right at my throat,
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he was gonna cut me with
it if I divorced him.
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I went ahead and
divorced him anyhow.
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When I went to New York,
I was getting over
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my divorce from Billy Neal
and the miserable marriage.
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I liked all the lights on Broadway.
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And I liked Central Park.
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All I paid for my apartment
on West 46th Street,
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46 dollars and 29 cents a month.
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I used to go to the
Roseland ballroom.
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And then I went dancing so much.
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I was a movie fiend in those days.
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Didn't cost much of
anything, 40 or 50 cents,
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something like that,
to see a double feature.
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One night, I was very lonely,
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and I was walking along Broadway,
and a good looking fella came up
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and started talking to
me, introduced himself.
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He was very polite and courteous,
seemed like a very nice fella.
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He asked me, "Would
like to go dancing?"
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I said, "Sure, I'd love to go."
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So we got in the car,
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and he and I sat in the back,
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and the girlfriend and
the boyfriend driving.
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Well, we stopped at a red light,
and two guys jumped in the car.
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We went farther on,
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two more fellas got in the car.
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But when it hit me, a big
pain shot through me
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as we crossed that
bridge and I thought,
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"We are not going dancing."
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You can imagine how you
would have felt then
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with six men in the car
and the two women.
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The guy in front and his girlfriend
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got out of the car and
went behind the building.
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I thought real fast, and
I said I'm menstruating,
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you can't have sex with me.
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And all five of those
snakes forced me
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to perform oral sex
on every one of them.
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They could have killed me or something
and left me dead behind that school.
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I went home to Mama right
away, I was so frightened.
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Back in New York, the first
secretarial job I ever had
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in New York was for the
American Bread Company.
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I was a secretary to
the office manager.
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I had a small room up on the fifth
floor of an old brownstone house.
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Somebody knocked on the
door around midnight.
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Who is it?
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And he said, "Bettie, open
the door, it's Billy."
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- What do you want?
- "Let me in."
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A friend of mine in the next
apartment, a little fella named Jimmy,
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a 50-year-old man,
came out to the door
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and asked what was going on.
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Well, Billy told him to
mind his own business,
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and he cut little Jimmy
across the face,
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a couple of inches
with a knife now.
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He was going to kill me with a
knife is what he was going to do.
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He must have left.
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He didn't come back.
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I was working as
secretary, way up high
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in the Eastern Airlines
building on the 12th floor,
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overlooking the skating
rink in Rockefeller Center,
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a very nice place to work.
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And that's where I met the love
of my life, Carlos Garcia Arrese.
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You know I was a nut over
dancing back in those days.
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And he taught me the rumba, and
mambo, and cha-cha, and samba.
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And he was very good at it.
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Well, we dated and we
were making mad love,
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he was a very good lover.
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One night I was up
at his apartment,
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all of a sudden, a big
loud knocking on the door,
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"Carlos, open up the door,
I know you're in there."
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And she was really mad, and I
thought, oh gosh, who's that?
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And he said, "Bettie,
that's my wife."
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I said, "Your wife!"
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I never felt so low in my
life, I felt like two cents.
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I didn't want to see him again
because he had deceived me.
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But if I had known he was married
I would never have dated him.
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I always wanted to
be a fashion model.
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And I went to... let's see, what was
the name of the most famous one?
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Ford, that's it.
She says, "Oh, my."
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She says, "You would never
do as a fashion model."
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She says, "In the first place,
you're not tall enough."
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But she says, "More than that,"
she says, "you're too hippy."
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You've got to be skin
and bones, you know.
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Even back then, to
be a fashion model.
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In October 1950, I was
walking out on Coney Island.
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Nobody was on the
beach in that area,
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except this black
fella, Jerry Tibbs.
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He gave me his card and he said,
"I'm a Brooklyn policeman."
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He said, "I think you'd
make a good pinup model."
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He said, "I have a studio,
if you would come over there
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free of charge, I'll
make you up a portfolio
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that you could take
around to the studios."
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I posed in a couple
of bikinis of his.
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But he said, "Bettie, have you
ever tried to wear bangs?"
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He said, "You have a very high forehead,
I think you'd look good in bangs."
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So I went home and cut me some.
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And I've been wearing them ever since,
its sort of been a trademark of mine,
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I'm still wearing them.
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That's that famous
Bettie Page look, isn't it?
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I think I was about 27
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when I started modeling,
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but I looked much younger.
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All of the writers and editors
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would say I was 22 years old,
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they were saying that for
years that I was 22.
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I never refuted it, I never said
anything one way or another,
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let them think what they wanted to.
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The first modeling I did
was for the camera clubs.
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First one was Cass Carr who
was an orchestra leader.
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Every Sunday we'd
say we're going out
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to Headly Farm in New
Jersey or some other farm,
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or we're going out to Fire
Island or Broad Channel Bay.
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Bettie Page and four other amateur
models will be with them,
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and it would cost ten
dollars or five dollars.
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There would be maybe 30
or 40 camera club members
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and three or four models.
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We would go on field
trips, on weekends,
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upstate New York,
over in New Jersey,
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on the beaches,
especially on Fire Island.
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I got 25 dollars a day.
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And we would be gone all afternoon
and they would bring lunches,
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and I enjoyed the
outings very much.
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They were always polite
and courteous to us.
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I enjoyed posing for them.
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It was absolutely fun
photographing Bettie.
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And I could tell, I think it
shows up in the photographs,
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that she enjoyed it too.
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She was happy.
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She was exhilarated.
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She projected.
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She came right out at you.
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Whereas others were just pretty.
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When she turned, she didn't
just turn and smile,
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her hands, her body, her feet,
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everything moved, everything moved.
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She smiled with her face, she
smiled with her whole body.
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And that's something
very few girls got.
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The good pinup
involves three things:
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Pose, clothes, and expression.
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She knew just when I
said, pert, saucy,
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frisky, haughty, angry, sullen,
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whereas with many other
models I'd have to tell them,
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"Well, no, tilt your
head up a little bit,"
328
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"Move it up like that,"
"Raise your eyes," etcetera.
329
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She would pop up into
that right away.
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I was very happy posing.
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And I never had any problem
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thinking of what to
do with my body.
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I could think of a thousand different
poses that just came natural to me.
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Sometimes I would imagine
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the camera was my boyfriend.
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And I would play to my boyfriend.
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All I do know is that when
Bettie Page was announced
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as being the feature model
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of next Sunday's shoot,
340
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there was a big crowd.
341
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Did the guys in the camera clubs
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ask you out for dates a lot?
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No.
344
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Now I wouldn't date anybody
who drank or smoke.
345
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I just don't like the taste
of cigarettes on your breath,
346
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and I hate alcohol.
347
00:23:02,361 --> 00:23:05,730
One of the most interesting
characters in this entire story
348
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was Richard Arbib,
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one of her ex-boyfriends.
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00:23:10,202 --> 00:23:15,273
He was a top designer of the '50s.
351
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Designed cars, watches,
extremely well known designer.
352
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Richard had split up with his wife,
353
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and met Bettie,
354
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and they had a red hot romance,
355
00:23:32,791 --> 00:23:35,460
they were deeply in love.
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He took her in his two
seater down to Florida.
357
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Well, we just decided we'd take off
358
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and go to Florida for three weeks.
359
00:23:45,871 --> 00:23:49,541
She wanted to have sex with
me in the car and I said,
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"If you're going to do that, I've got
to stop 'cause I'll go off the road."
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So she's going away at me,
362
00:23:55,447 --> 00:23:58,783
and all of a sudden there's
a flashlight in the door,
363
00:23:58,784 --> 00:24:02,253
it was raining cats and dogs,
there's a state trooper there.
364
00:24:02,254 --> 00:24:05,919
And I thought he was going to arrest
us for having sex in the car.
365
00:24:07,192 --> 00:24:11,696
All he said was, "You all know
you've got one tail light out."
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00:24:11,697 --> 00:24:15,667
Bettie had a very normal sex life.
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00:24:15,668 --> 00:24:19,637
She wasn't inhibited, she wasn't
hung up in any way at all.
368
00:24:19,638 --> 00:24:23,007
She liked sex and she
was very good at it.
369
00:24:23,008 --> 00:24:26,511
Arbib told me he designed
a watch for Bettie.
370
00:24:26,512 --> 00:24:29,480
It was a custom made
piece for Bettie Page.
371
00:24:29,481 --> 00:24:32,782
He was renowned for his watches.
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00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:36,955
This was a unique one
of a kind piece.
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He presented it to her
and she wore it proudly.
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00:24:42,528 --> 00:24:46,364
And for some reason,
Richard decided that
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00:24:46,365 --> 00:24:48,232
he was going to give it one
more shot with his wife,
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00:24:48,233 --> 00:24:50,802
and it didn't work
out with his wife,
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00:24:50,803 --> 00:24:52,937
and when he came back,
Bettie was gone.
378
00:24:52,938 --> 00:24:57,240
And that was the
regret of his life.
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00:24:58,444 --> 00:25:02,480
All of the guys that I
knew that met this woman,
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00:25:02,481 --> 00:25:08,217
had this, "The one that got
away" ennui about them.
381
00:25:09,321 --> 00:25:14,325
She wasn't just a pretty face with
nothing behind it, she was not a facade.
382
00:25:14,326 --> 00:25:16,327
She had a high IQ.
383
00:25:16,328 --> 00:25:21,131
And had a great range of
things that interested her.
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00:25:23,569 --> 00:25:25,136
I used to make a lot of my clothes.
385
00:25:25,137 --> 00:25:28,773
I made all my bikinis,
most of my lingerie.
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00:25:28,774 --> 00:25:31,142
I enjoyed making them.
387
00:25:33,145 --> 00:25:36,547
Bettie used to design stuff.
388
00:25:36,548 --> 00:25:38,583
She could have made a fortune.
389
00:25:38,584 --> 00:25:42,453
'Cause she had an eye for
it, she knew what was sexy.
390
00:25:42,454 --> 00:25:46,758
Bikinis were never heard of on
the beaches in this country.
391
00:25:48,794 --> 00:25:50,895
Don't know what the
wild waves are saying,
392
00:25:50,896 --> 00:25:54,032
but the gals are talking about the
latest thing in swimming attire.
393
00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:57,135
A suit with a built in girdle.
394
00:25:57,136 --> 00:25:59,537
I made them real skimpy.
395
00:25:59,538 --> 00:26:02,270
It was considered very risqué.
396
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:07,111
One of the jobs I had in New York
397
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was with a couple down
in Greenwich Village.
398
00:26:09,815 --> 00:26:13,751
Well, they had me bring
every one of my costumes,
399
00:26:13,752 --> 00:26:15,887
especially all my bikinis.
400
00:26:15,888 --> 00:26:20,486
And I wondered why they had me
change costumes so many times.
401
00:26:22,294 --> 00:26:25,296
And then they had taken my designs
402
00:26:25,297 --> 00:26:27,331
from the pictures they'd took of me
403
00:26:27,332 --> 00:26:29,967
and had them manufactured
under my name
404
00:26:29,968 --> 00:26:34,236
and selling them as "Bettie
Page's Bikinis" now.
405
00:26:35,841 --> 00:26:41,144
I should have sued them or something,
but I didn't do anything about it.
406
00:26:51,423 --> 00:26:55,493
The first bona fide
commercial work I did
407
00:26:55,494 --> 00:26:59,363
was for Robert
Harrison's magazines.
408
00:26:59,364 --> 00:27:01,599
You know, he had five
or six girly books.
409
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,871
Wink, Titter, Flirt, Beauty Parade.
410
00:27:06,872 --> 00:27:09,307
They had four or five
writers in the back room
411
00:27:09,308 --> 00:27:13,211
that made up all kinds of crazy
things we had to act out.
412
00:27:13,212 --> 00:27:16,948
But one thing I didn't like and
none of the other girls did either,
413
00:27:16,949 --> 00:27:22,019
Robert Harrison insisted
that our breasts be taped.
414
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,689
He was a nut about the cleavage.
415
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:27,191
I'd have to hold my
breasts together,
416
00:27:27,192 --> 00:27:30,828
and they put a great big
thick two-inches wide tape,
417
00:27:30,829 --> 00:27:32,830
all the way across.
418
00:27:32,831 --> 00:27:34,732
I hated that.
419
00:27:34,733 --> 00:27:37,769
Mr. Harrison said, "Bettie,
I want you to represent
420
00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:40,171
my magazines at the artists ball."
421
00:27:40,172 --> 00:27:43,741
They have a contest
for the best costume.
422
00:27:43,742 --> 00:27:46,511
And guess what I was wearing?
423
00:27:46,512 --> 00:27:51,082
Just two telephone dials, one
over this breast, one over this,
424
00:27:51,083 --> 00:27:53,284
and a suggestion box,
425
00:27:53,285 --> 00:27:55,419
and black net stockings
up to the waist,
426
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:59,390
and that was it, and
I won it that year,
427
00:27:59,391 --> 00:28:02,126
and I got a whole set
of Revere kitchen ware.
428
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,403
Estes Kefauver of the Senate
crime investigation fame
429
00:28:12,404 --> 00:28:14,572
brings the Democratic
political pot to boil
430
00:28:14,573 --> 00:28:18,101
by announcing his candidacy for
the presidential nomination.
431
00:28:19,011 --> 00:28:21,579
Senator Estes Kefauver.
432
00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:23,381
He's from my home state, you know.
433
00:28:23,382 --> 00:28:26,617
He was trying to drum up votes,
434
00:28:26,618 --> 00:28:28,653
and get the public on his side,
435
00:28:28,654 --> 00:28:33,391
by going after juvenile
delinquency and pornography.
436
00:28:33,392 --> 00:28:37,461
What I expected, having
served in World War II,
437
00:28:37,462 --> 00:28:41,199
which I thought was a fight
for democracy and liberation,
438
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,301
what I expected after
World War II was
439
00:28:43,302 --> 00:28:46,804
something like what I perceived
as the "Roaring '20s" was like
440
00:28:46,805 --> 00:28:49,605
after World War I,
a huge celebration.
441
00:28:50,976 --> 00:28:54,311
And what we actually
got was repression.
442
00:28:56,081 --> 00:28:58,950
Repression on several fronts,
443
00:28:58,951 --> 00:29:01,586
it was social and
sexual and political.
444
00:29:01,587 --> 00:29:04,989
Are you now or have you ever been
a member of the Communist Party?
445
00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:07,625
The thing that the
American people can do
446
00:29:07,626 --> 00:29:12,196
is to be vigilant, day and night.
447
00:29:12,197 --> 00:29:15,733
To make sure they
don't have communists
448
00:29:15,734 --> 00:29:20,037
teaching the sons and
daughters of America.
449
00:29:20,038 --> 00:29:23,274
We have an image of the fifties as
a time when everything was placid
450
00:29:23,275 --> 00:29:26,744
and everybody lived in a sort
of Ozzie and Harriet life,
451
00:29:26,745 --> 00:29:29,947
but going on at the same
time in the culture
452
00:29:29,948 --> 00:29:32,617
was an enormous amount of fear
453
00:29:32,618 --> 00:29:35,386
of infiltration of new things
454
00:29:35,387 --> 00:29:38,089
that were going to undermine
and infect the culture,
455
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:41,492
and make the youth of
America delinquents,
456
00:29:41,493 --> 00:29:43,327
as the term that had been invented.
457
00:29:43,328 --> 00:29:45,796
And a lot of it focused
on pornography.
458
00:29:45,797 --> 00:29:48,199
The peddling of obscene books,
459
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,568
a furtive and despicable occupation
460
00:29:50,569 --> 00:29:52,470
has become a lucrative sideline
461
00:29:52,471 --> 00:29:55,373
for unscrupulous shopkeepers in
some high school neighborhoods.
462
00:29:55,374 --> 00:29:58,009
People basically,
I think, felt that anything
463
00:29:58,010 --> 00:30:00,011
that got people sexually
excited was a bad thing.
464
00:30:00,012 --> 00:30:03,711
I mean, even to talk about sex
in the 1950s was a taboo.
465
00:30:04,583 --> 00:30:08,352
The Postmaster General had
a very visible campaign
466
00:30:08,353 --> 00:30:11,689
of trying to suppress
the use of the mails
467
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:14,091
to deliver sexually
explicit materials.
468
00:30:14,092 --> 00:30:16,427
Postal inspectors
could open your mail,
469
00:30:16,428 --> 00:30:17,728
they could confiscate it,
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00:30:17,729 --> 00:30:20,031
they could come and do
raids on your premises
471
00:30:20,032 --> 00:30:21,899
to keep you from mailing
material at another time.
472
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,001
Of course they could turn you
over to the prosecution.
473
00:30:24,002 --> 00:30:29,373
So they had a great deal of
power at their disposal.
474
00:30:29,374 --> 00:30:33,611
Anything that would be
perceived as being lewd,
475
00:30:33,612 --> 00:30:36,047
a term pretty broad,
476
00:30:36,048 --> 00:30:38,482
could be treated as a crime
477
00:30:38,483 --> 00:30:40,318
if you circulated it
through the mail.
478
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,821
And certainly nudity alone was
considered enough to be obscene
479
00:30:43,822 --> 00:30:46,918
by the standards of the
authorities at the time.
480
00:30:47,859 --> 00:30:51,629
I don't even believe God
disapproves of nudity,
481
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:54,398
after all, he put Adam and Eve
482
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:58,166
in the Garden of Eden
naked as jaybirds.
483
00:31:00,105 --> 00:31:02,807
As a part of posing
for the camera club,
484
00:31:02,808 --> 00:31:05,076
most of it was in bikinis,
485
00:31:05,077 --> 00:31:06,911
but sometimes there would be
486
00:31:06,912 --> 00:31:09,212
a few shots topless.
487
00:31:23,829 --> 00:31:26,464
Bettie Page was very sexual,
488
00:31:26,465 --> 00:31:29,356
but in a very free and
innocent kind of way.
489
00:31:30,435 --> 00:31:31,969
She's gorgeous
490
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:35,940
and she makes you feel good.
491
00:31:35,941 --> 00:31:39,043
She makes direct eye
contact with you,
492
00:31:39,044 --> 00:31:42,413
and it's engaging.
493
00:31:42,414 --> 00:31:44,148
I've seen her work
494
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:47,651
with some very shy newcomers,
495
00:31:47,652 --> 00:31:50,087
and actually help them out.
496
00:31:50,088 --> 00:31:53,391
Bettie would suggest something,
"How 'bout this one,
497
00:31:53,392 --> 00:31:55,292
how 'bout this one,
how 'bout this one?"
498
00:31:55,293 --> 00:31:57,854
And that way she would get
him out of his shell.
499
00:32:04,269 --> 00:32:08,239
Bettie is sexuality in
it's sparkly, cleanest,
500
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,905
most beautiful,
charming, smilingest.
501
00:32:15,147 --> 00:32:17,048
But there was some discussion
502
00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:20,751
about the kind of women
503
00:32:20,752 --> 00:32:22,353
that would do camera club shoots
504
00:32:22,354 --> 00:32:26,190
because primarily they were
nude, totally nude shoots.
505
00:32:26,191 --> 00:32:28,259
And Bettie would say,
506
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:31,162
"Whenever there was a shoot
that I was attending,
507
00:32:31,163 --> 00:32:35,795
where things started getting
sketchy, I got out of there."
508
00:32:37,102 --> 00:32:40,604
Everybody would have liked
to date Bettie Page,
509
00:32:40,605 --> 00:32:43,541
but nobody made the moves.
510
00:32:43,542 --> 00:32:47,244
Are there any boyfriends of
Bettie that you know of,
511
00:32:47,245 --> 00:32:49,380
that you've talked to
her that you know of?
512
00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:52,116
I talked to a lot of guys,
513
00:32:52,117 --> 00:32:56,487
not only photographers,
but her lovers.
514
00:32:56,488 --> 00:32:58,355
Charles West was one of them.
515
00:32:58,356 --> 00:33:01,987
Apparently met her
through a camera club.
516
00:33:02,894 --> 00:33:08,365
He did a notorious series
of photographs with Bettie.
517
00:33:08,366 --> 00:33:11,869
One day, a Saturday,
she and I were walking
518
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:14,038
down 5th Ave. at
Rockefeller Center.
519
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,808
She wore that same tight
translucent sweater.
520
00:33:17,809 --> 00:33:22,580
We were on our way to a shooting
session in the Time Life building.
521
00:33:22,581 --> 00:33:26,283
You should have seen the swiveling
heads, both male and female.
522
00:33:26,284 --> 00:33:28,319
My God, wasn't she beautiful.
523
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,287
Gorgeous.
524
00:33:30,288 --> 00:33:33,090
My photos were taken
very privately,
525
00:33:33,091 --> 00:33:36,127
I never intended for any
of them to be published.
526
00:33:36,128 --> 00:33:38,996
God gave her a lovely
body and she knew it.
527
00:33:38,997 --> 00:33:41,991
As a model, she used
it to full advantage.
528
00:33:46,905 --> 00:33:50,875
Her body was absolutely
without blemish,
529
00:33:50,876 --> 00:33:54,245
and everything
530
00:33:54,246 --> 00:33:56,705
exactly right in proportion.
531
00:33:57,382 --> 00:34:00,417
And that was the same with her face,
and you put the two together,
532
00:34:00,418 --> 00:34:03,651
and you had just about
the perfect woman.
533
00:34:04,523 --> 00:34:08,381
There was also a very sheer
pair of white panties.
534
00:34:10,395 --> 00:34:15,425
Also, super long black
opera length gloves.
535
00:34:18,370 --> 00:34:20,337
She was absolutely pure,
536
00:34:20,338 --> 00:34:22,506
plain and natural.
537
00:34:22,507 --> 00:34:25,543
And of course she shows up
that way in her photographs.
538
00:34:25,544 --> 00:34:29,641
And I just think you see
the real girl there.
539
00:34:31,082 --> 00:34:34,018
No one ever dominated Betts,
540
00:34:34,019 --> 00:34:36,220
either physically
or psychologically.
541
00:34:36,221 --> 00:34:40,113
She was her own person and she never
could have mistreated anyone.
542
00:34:43,962 --> 00:34:47,798
Yes, she and I made love.
543
00:34:47,799 --> 00:34:50,267
And she was marvelous.
544
00:34:50,268 --> 00:34:54,305
She's an extraordinary creature.
545
00:34:54,306 --> 00:34:57,038
My memories of Betts
are ever present.
546
00:35:29,641 --> 00:35:34,211
Nudity back then was,
was very unusual.
547
00:35:34,212 --> 00:35:35,946
That was '52,
548
00:35:35,947 --> 00:35:39,783
a time of restrictive sexuality.
549
00:35:39,784 --> 00:35:42,186
You talked to your
friends in college even,
550
00:35:42,187 --> 00:35:45,689
and the fellow who had
been sexually active
551
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:47,825
was the unusual guy.
552
00:35:47,826 --> 00:35:49,960
Know when and how
553
00:35:49,961 --> 00:35:51,662
you're going to say "no".
554
00:35:51,663 --> 00:35:55,332
Take the case of the girl who
finds herself in this situation.
555
00:35:55,333 --> 00:35:57,635
Say, is anybody else hungry?
556
00:35:57,636 --> 00:36:02,234
How about it you two, couldn't we
go someplace for something to eat?
557
00:36:04,342 --> 00:36:07,778
I was on my way into
the army at that time,
558
00:36:07,779 --> 00:36:09,747
on my way to Korea eventually.
559
00:36:09,748 --> 00:36:14,482
So I thought it was a time
to have a little bit of fun.
560
00:36:15,954 --> 00:36:19,551
We were upstate New York on a farm.
561
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:24,461
But maybe this have been
your first opportunity
562
00:36:24,462 --> 00:36:26,797
to see a woman without
much clothes on?
563
00:36:26,798 --> 00:36:29,099
Ah, that's not a bad guess.
564
00:36:32,904 --> 00:36:36,507
The photographers all sort
of gravitated to Bettie Page.
565
00:36:36,508 --> 00:36:38,876
You were drawn as if by a magnet.
566
00:36:38,877 --> 00:36:41,211
She lit up the place.
567
00:36:41,212 --> 00:36:43,113
I don't think anybody
can really explain
568
00:36:43,114 --> 00:36:47,651
why some people have
that kind of charisma.
569
00:36:47,652 --> 00:36:51,488
It was kind of a
revolution for me really
570
00:36:51,489 --> 00:36:55,916
to see that openness.
571
00:36:56,695 --> 00:36:59,029
Somebody went to
the police about it,
572
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:02,366
some old fogy no doubt,
went to the police and said
573
00:37:02,367 --> 00:37:05,135
we were running around in
the woods nude out there.
574
00:37:05,136 --> 00:37:07,104
And here came a squad car.
575
00:37:07,105 --> 00:37:11,141
Calling car 6 and 7 eighths,
car 6 and 7 eighths.
576
00:37:11,142 --> 00:37:13,243
Here they are coming
with drawn guns,
577
00:37:13,244 --> 00:37:16,146
coming on a bunch of photographers.
578
00:37:16,147 --> 00:37:19,350
I mean, what were we going to do?
579
00:37:19,351 --> 00:37:22,953
I mean, this is absolute nonsense.
580
00:37:22,954 --> 00:37:26,990
And they said, "Also, take the
pictures out of your cameras."
581
00:37:26,991 --> 00:37:29,193
I opened the back of the camera.
582
00:37:29,194 --> 00:37:31,462
The counter, which may have been,
583
00:37:31,463 --> 00:37:33,630
say on film number 5,
584
00:37:33,631 --> 00:37:35,666
well, I snapped back to zero.
585
00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:38,902
I immediately closed the
camera and thought to myself,
586
00:37:38,903 --> 00:37:42,539
why not try to keep
587
00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:45,042
what films I have in the camera.
588
00:37:45,043 --> 00:37:46,944
And I showed it to one of
the deputies and I said,
589
00:37:46,945 --> 00:37:50,214
"Look, you see, the
counter's on zero,
590
00:37:50,215 --> 00:37:52,850
but to tell you the truth I
have a new roll in there,
591
00:37:52,851 --> 00:37:55,185
I'd rather not expose it
by opening the back."
592
00:37:55,186 --> 00:37:57,855
I said, "Okay if I
keep it that way?"
593
00:37:57,856 --> 00:37:59,089
And he said sure.
594
00:37:59,090 --> 00:38:02,826
But I didn't come upon the idea
of holding onto those photos
595
00:38:02,827 --> 00:38:05,320
until I saw it snap back to zero.
596
00:38:34,993 --> 00:38:36,994
The charming thing was that
597
00:38:36,995 --> 00:38:40,130
a little kitten wandered by.
598
00:38:40,131 --> 00:38:42,466
And she picked it up,
599
00:38:42,467 --> 00:38:44,368
and she held it to her breast.
600
00:38:44,369 --> 00:38:47,271
I found that exquisite.
601
00:38:47,272 --> 00:38:52,166
And I did take a picture of that
but half of it was destroyed.
602
00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:06,123
One of the deputies said something,
603
00:39:06,124 --> 00:39:08,425
which was rather nasty,
604
00:39:08,426 --> 00:39:11,094
but I do remember her saying,
605
00:39:11,095 --> 00:39:14,264
"Don't you talk to me like that.
606
00:39:14,265 --> 00:39:16,500
I won't have it."
607
00:39:16,501 --> 00:39:17,968
And I think she had more courage
608
00:39:17,969 --> 00:39:21,338
than the dozen and a half
photographers that were there.
609
00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:24,408
They decided to charge the
guys for disturbing the peace,
610
00:39:24,409 --> 00:39:27,678
and the girls for
indecent exposure.
611
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,714
She was just terribly
offended by it.
612
00:39:30,715 --> 00:39:33,083
Bettie says, "I'm not indecent.
613
00:39:33,084 --> 00:39:35,986
I will not plead guilty to that."
614
00:39:35,987 --> 00:39:37,988
And we sat there in the anteroom,
615
00:39:37,989 --> 00:39:40,914
outside the court
room for five hours.
616
00:39:52,337 --> 00:39:56,840
Bettie demanded that this
release form be rewritten
617
00:39:56,841 --> 00:40:00,699
so that it didn't say
"indecent exposure".
618
00:40:05,216 --> 00:40:07,084
And the judge warned us
619
00:40:07,085 --> 00:40:09,186
never to come in his county again.
620
00:40:10,822 --> 00:40:14,791
Her being put in jail
because she was posing,
621
00:40:14,792 --> 00:40:17,394
making a living, gave
her pause for thought.
622
00:40:17,395 --> 00:40:20,130
She really had never considered
that it could happen to her.
623
00:40:20,131 --> 00:40:23,800
And in fact, it was an alarm
to wake her up to the fact
624
00:40:23,801 --> 00:40:27,170
that a lot of people did not
like what she was doing.
625
00:40:30,708 --> 00:40:35,045
On Friday, we shall continue the
investigation of the relationship
626
00:40:35,046 --> 00:40:38,847
of pornographic materials
to delinquency.
627
00:40:39,517 --> 00:40:41,418
In the 1950s,
628
00:40:41,419 --> 00:40:43,854
the repression was coming
from the government.
629
00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:47,190
And it also involved Kefauver
and his investigations,
630
00:40:47,191 --> 00:40:49,693
in terms of pornography and crime.
631
00:40:49,694 --> 00:40:51,995
You couldn't sell in many places
632
00:40:51,996 --> 00:40:57,167
a magazine that had
the kinds of nudity
633
00:40:57,168 --> 00:41:00,404
that we see in a modern Playboy.
634
00:41:00,405 --> 00:41:02,873
That was considered going too far.
635
00:41:02,874 --> 00:41:06,677
I never had any bad feelings
636
00:41:06,678 --> 00:41:08,378
about posing in the nude
637
00:41:08,379 --> 00:41:11,782
or semi-nude outfits.
638
00:41:11,783 --> 00:41:15,152
I found out I could make more
money posing in two hours
639
00:41:15,153 --> 00:41:18,147
than I'd make all
week as a secretary.
640
00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:21,792
All the girls who worked
for Robert Harrison
641
00:41:21,793 --> 00:41:25,362
would end up posing
for Irving Klaw.
642
00:41:25,363 --> 00:41:29,199
He had a big business,
he and his sister Paula,
643
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,502
selling movie star pictures
before they got into, locally,
644
00:41:32,503 --> 00:41:35,606
shooting models in New York.
645
00:41:35,607 --> 00:41:38,642
And one of the cameramen
brought her in and said,
646
00:41:38,643 --> 00:41:42,112
she's a super model,
she works well,
647
00:41:42,113 --> 00:41:44,948
and she's a love, give her a shot.
648
00:41:44,949 --> 00:41:47,284
And we did. You should
have seen her then.
649
00:41:47,285 --> 00:41:49,886
The long black hair
and always smiling,
650
00:41:49,887 --> 00:41:54,087
giggling and whatever, she
was so great to work with.
651
00:41:55,293 --> 00:41:57,661
She loved posing.
652
00:42:03,534 --> 00:42:06,970
Irving Klaw, he was
a real sweet fella.
653
00:42:06,971 --> 00:42:09,840
He was a big fat chubby guy.
654
00:42:09,841 --> 00:42:12,542
And he was sort of short
and he was almost bald.
655
00:42:12,543 --> 00:42:15,278
But he was so nice.
656
00:42:15,279 --> 00:42:18,582
He never made any passes
at the women or anything.
657
00:42:18,583 --> 00:42:21,785
They would bring food there,
sandwiches and all for us.
658
00:42:21,786 --> 00:42:24,621
They were always very
generous about that.
659
00:42:24,622 --> 00:42:28,492
He got some of the ideas
from some of the customers.
660
00:42:28,493 --> 00:42:31,128
And he would sort of
talk to me about,
661
00:42:31,129 --> 00:42:33,296
"What do you think of this and
what do you think of that",
662
00:42:33,297 --> 00:42:36,495
and between the two of
us we'd figure it out.
663
00:42:38,369 --> 00:42:40,570
In some of her earliest
Irving Klaw photos,
664
00:42:40,571 --> 00:42:42,205
Bettie looked a little gawky.
665
00:42:42,206 --> 00:42:44,708
But Klaw would give her
a set of these photos.
666
00:42:44,709 --> 00:42:48,145
She could summarize what
she was doing right
667
00:42:48,146 --> 00:42:49,513
and what she was doing wrong,
668
00:42:49,514 --> 00:42:52,644
and I think she became
a much better model.
669
00:42:53,351 --> 00:42:55,886
She liked being in
front of the camera.
670
00:42:55,887 --> 00:42:58,055
She enjoyed her body.
671
00:42:58,056 --> 00:42:59,823
She liked the way she looked.
672
00:42:59,824 --> 00:43:01,491
She liked her hair.
673
00:43:01,492 --> 00:43:04,122
She enjoyed herself.
674
00:43:05,263 --> 00:43:07,497
She never cried about anything...
675
00:43:07,498 --> 00:43:09,666
"It's too tight,
'"'It's too loose,"
676
00:43:09,667 --> 00:43:11,768
"Don't do that, " or anything.
677
00:43:11,769 --> 00:43:14,771
She was just a super
lady to work with.
678
00:43:14,772 --> 00:43:19,910
Irving said I was his most
famous model that he ever had,
679
00:43:19,911 --> 00:43:23,940
and he had some 1,500
pictures of me going.
680
00:43:25,149 --> 00:43:27,744
A lot of them to service men.
681
00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:31,788
We made this set of
pictures, we'd advertise it,
682
00:43:31,789 --> 00:43:35,358
and we noticed the
increase in sales.
683
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:38,095
One of the biggest sellers
684
00:43:38,096 --> 00:43:39,696
is a picture of me wearing
685
00:43:39,697 --> 00:43:42,999
my little leopard-skin bikini,
and I'm looking real mean,
686
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,837
holding this whip with
one foot up on a stool
687
00:43:46,838 --> 00:43:50,073
and a cigarette dangling
out the side of my mouth.
688
00:43:50,074 --> 00:43:52,142
And the teenagers.
689
00:43:52,143 --> 00:43:55,846
Irving said that's their
favorite picture of me now.
690
00:43:55,847 --> 00:43:57,714
You know, I never smoked.
691
00:43:59,016 --> 00:44:00,751
I hate cigarettes.
692
00:44:00,752 --> 00:44:05,322
Well, I shot stills but there was
more money into making films
693
00:44:05,323 --> 00:44:08,225
so we started with the 16mm,
694
00:44:08,226 --> 00:44:10,060
because that was very
popular at that time.
695
00:44:20,104 --> 00:44:23,306
Well, she's a drama
queen from a golden age
696
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:25,776
Talking about the
curves of Bettie Page
697
00:44:25,777 --> 00:44:28,445
Flinging through the pages
though, I just can't wait
698
00:44:28,446 --> 00:44:30,714
She's the kind of woman
that I want to date
699
00:44:30,715 --> 00:44:33,216
Oh, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie
700
00:44:33,217 --> 00:44:35,418
Oh, Bettie, uh-huh-huh
701
00:44:35,419 --> 00:44:37,921
Oh, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie
702
00:44:37,922 --> 00:44:40,357
Oh, Bettie, yeah
703
00:44:40,358 --> 00:44:42,826
I'm gonna run to you, girl,
I'm on the rampage
704
00:44:42,827 --> 00:44:46,025
Just want Bettie,
Bettie Page, yeah!
705
00:44:58,509 --> 00:45:00,577
Seven inch heels,
706
00:45:00,578 --> 00:45:03,947
one pair, that he kept for me only,
707
00:45:03,948 --> 00:45:05,916
that fitted me just fine
that I could wiggle around,
708
00:45:05,917 --> 00:45:08,418
and move around,
and kick around in those.
709
00:45:08,419 --> 00:45:11,922
Yeah, Bettie could walk great in
high heels, unlike most girls.
710
00:45:11,923 --> 00:45:14,724
Most girls, they could
walk in high heels,
711
00:45:14,725 --> 00:45:17,561
some of them, but they
didn't look natural.
712
00:45:17,562 --> 00:45:19,129
Bettie, she could move
in 'em just like,
713
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:22,499
just like she was in moccasins.
714
00:45:28,206 --> 00:45:32,609
My brother would set it
up and I would direct,
715
00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:34,477
and I worked the 16mm.
716
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:38,682
Teaserama is a complete,
717
00:45:38,683 --> 00:45:40,483
all new burlesque show,
718
00:45:40,484 --> 00:45:43,253
filmed in beautiful
new Eastman Color.
719
00:45:43,254 --> 00:45:47,920
Teaserama features the world's
most beautiful, exotic girls.
720
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:52,596
Tempest Storm is the girl
with a 40-plus bust,
721
00:45:52,597 --> 00:45:55,332
who goes 3D two better!
722
00:45:55,333 --> 00:46:00,337
So big, we had to use wide
screen to film Teaserama.
723
00:46:00,338 --> 00:46:05,508
Bettie Page, the nation's
top pinup queen.
724
00:46:05,509 --> 00:46:10,346
There's sexy seconds to
every minute in Teaserama.
725
00:46:11,916 --> 00:46:17,185
In one of them starring
Tempest Storm, I played her maid.
726
00:46:19,857 --> 00:46:21,958
And I also introduced the acts
727
00:46:21,959 --> 00:46:24,793
wearing my bikinis
and other costumes.
728
00:46:29,834 --> 00:46:33,303
And then I did a
little dance number.
729
00:46:33,304 --> 00:46:36,172
It was a nothing tap
dance I made up
730
00:46:36,173 --> 00:46:40,744
within a half an hour before
the movie was to be shot.
731
00:46:40,745 --> 00:46:44,514
There was no sex in those
movies that we shot.
732
00:46:44,515 --> 00:46:46,849
It was just fun.
733
00:46:48,452 --> 00:46:51,688
Irving Klaw would pay me $150
734
00:46:51,689 --> 00:46:53,523
every time I did one
of these movies.
735
00:46:53,524 --> 00:46:57,761
And I would take the money and go
to visit my mother in Pittsburgh,
736
00:46:57,762 --> 00:46:59,763
or my brothers in Nashville,
737
00:46:59,764 --> 00:47:02,564
or my sister in Coral Gables.
738
00:47:07,471 --> 00:47:11,474
Bettie happened to be in
Miami on a little vacation.
739
00:47:11,475 --> 00:47:13,610
And she gave me a call.
740
00:47:13,611 --> 00:47:15,745
And she said she was
a New York model.
741
00:47:15,746 --> 00:47:18,281
And I said, "Oh," and
I was very impressed.
742
00:47:18,282 --> 00:47:20,517
I posed for Bunny
743
00:47:20,518 --> 00:47:24,321
in Florida in the spring of 1954.
744
00:47:24,322 --> 00:47:27,857
She had just started
out as a photographer,
745
00:47:27,858 --> 00:47:30,026
she used to be a pinup model.
746
00:47:30,027 --> 00:47:32,729
I said, "You do pinup modeling?"
747
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:34,464
And she says, "I do nudes, too."
748
00:47:34,465 --> 00:47:37,968
And when I heard that she did
nudes, I was really excited
749
00:47:37,969 --> 00:47:39,936
because I had never photographed
750
00:47:39,937 --> 00:47:42,205
a professional nude model before.
751
00:47:42,206 --> 00:47:46,872
So I told her to come on over,
I would use her sight unseen.
752
00:47:48,379 --> 00:47:51,281
Bettie was so perfect in every way.
753
00:47:51,282 --> 00:47:55,986
It would be hard for anybody to
take a bad picture of Bettie.
754
00:47:55,987 --> 00:47:57,587
Because she was a woman,
755
00:47:57,588 --> 00:48:01,591
I felt more comfortable
posing in the nude for Bunny.
756
00:48:01,592 --> 00:48:04,894
And we'd go out there
about 7:00 in the morning
757
00:48:04,895 --> 00:48:09,332
before anybody came on the beaches
and do our shooting then.
758
00:48:13,871 --> 00:48:17,741
We worked so well together
because she caught on
759
00:48:17,742 --> 00:48:20,110
to what I was trying
to get out of her.
760
00:48:20,111 --> 00:48:24,214
And she just played like she was a
teenager in front of the camera,
761
00:48:24,215 --> 00:48:27,017
and followed every
direction I gave her.
762
00:48:27,018 --> 00:48:28,551
And that was a thrill too,
763
00:48:28,552 --> 00:48:33,946
because I had not worked with
somebody that professional before.
764
00:48:34,091 --> 00:48:37,327
You knew she was trying
to look her very best.
765
00:48:37,328 --> 00:48:39,696
She would work on her tan
766
00:48:39,697 --> 00:48:42,866
and sunbathe the nude for
a certain time everyday
767
00:48:42,867 --> 00:48:45,861
so that her skin would
be so glorious.
768
00:48:46,604 --> 00:48:50,473
Bettie had a different
torso than most girls.
769
00:48:50,474 --> 00:48:53,176
Her bone structure there,
770
00:48:53,177 --> 00:48:54,677
close to her waistline,
771
00:48:54,678 --> 00:48:58,415
went way in to a very tiny waist.
772
00:48:58,416 --> 00:49:02,118
And there are very few girls
that are built like that.
773
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,822
I was 36-24-37.
774
00:49:05,823 --> 00:49:09,859
I worked out at the health
club three times a week.
775
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:12,128
I've always liked to exercise.
776
00:49:12,129 --> 00:49:16,124
I wanted to keep in
shape for my modeling.
777
00:49:17,601 --> 00:49:20,970
She lied to me about her age.
778
00:49:20,971 --> 00:49:24,674
She told me she was 24 when she posed
for me but she was much older.
779
00:49:24,675 --> 00:49:26,940
I think that she was 32.
780
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:33,450
We shot pictures at
Kiddie Land Park.
781
00:49:33,451 --> 00:49:35,285
And I put her in a bikini
782
00:49:35,286 --> 00:49:37,420
and shot her on the merry-go-round
783
00:49:37,421 --> 00:49:39,489
and all these stupid rides.
784
00:49:39,490 --> 00:49:42,292
And she, she had a ball, you know.
785
00:49:42,293 --> 00:49:45,462
We had to go before
they opened up at 10:00
786
00:49:45,463 --> 00:49:50,100
because I was getting worried with
the briefness of the bathing suits.
787
00:49:50,101 --> 00:49:54,471
I was a little scared and I thought,
"Bettie, we might get arrested.
788
00:49:54,472 --> 00:49:56,473
How do you feel about that?"
789
00:49:56,474 --> 00:49:59,876
And he says, "Oh, I wouldn't
want to, but you know.
790
00:49:59,877 --> 00:50:01,478
What are we going to do?"
791
00:50:01,479 --> 00:50:04,614
So we just took our chances.
792
00:50:04,615 --> 00:50:08,246
So they're very sensual pictures.
793
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,545
Very sexy.
794
00:50:17,995 --> 00:50:21,131
We went out on the boat and
it was late in the afternoon,
795
00:50:21,132 --> 00:50:24,567
and the sun was
already getting low.
796
00:50:24,568 --> 00:50:28,238
But that made for good
shadowing of Bettie's body
797
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,940
for some beautiful
nudes on the boat.
798
00:50:30,941 --> 00:50:34,110
And she actually caught a fish
while I was shooting her.
799
00:50:34,111 --> 00:50:36,246
It was unbelievable.
800
00:50:36,247 --> 00:50:38,882
I had never seen anybody
catch a fish so fast.
801
00:50:38,883 --> 00:50:40,950
We must have been in good waters.
802
00:50:40,951 --> 00:50:44,854
But that picture that you see
of Bettie holding the fish up.
803
00:50:44,855 --> 00:50:46,688
That was for real.
804
00:50:48,125 --> 00:50:50,426
While we were shooting some
pinups on the beach one day,
805
00:50:50,427 --> 00:50:53,930
I asked Bettie, "Are you
afraid of wild animals?"
806
00:50:56,867 --> 00:50:59,802
I had seen too many
Tarzan movies, I think.
807
00:50:59,803 --> 00:51:04,140
She set up a session for
me up in Boca Raton
808
00:51:04,141 --> 00:51:08,238
at Little Africa to
pose with the animals.
809
00:51:10,214 --> 00:51:12,882
When you come into Africa USA,
810
00:51:12,883 --> 00:51:15,952
they had a greeter at the gate,
811
00:51:15,953 --> 00:51:17,854
dressed all up like a native.
812
00:51:17,855 --> 00:51:20,557
I said, "Would you like to take
some pictures with my model?"
813
00:51:20,558 --> 00:51:23,483
He said, "Sure."
He was happy about that.
814
00:51:24,261 --> 00:51:26,896
I was very fond of
my one-piece outfit
815
00:51:26,897 --> 00:51:30,033
that I made with the
scallops and high bottoms.
816
00:51:30,034 --> 00:51:32,068
I was dressed just like a cheetah.
817
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:34,304
There wasn't much to
the bottom of it,
818
00:51:34,305 --> 00:51:38,508
but maybe that was the
most alluring part of it.
819
00:51:38,509 --> 00:51:40,810
I was very proud of that design.
820
00:51:44,815 --> 00:51:48,351
The pictures that sold the
most were with two cheetahs.
821
00:51:48,352 --> 00:51:50,086
Beautiful animals.
822
00:51:50,087 --> 00:51:53,790
They had been sick the night before
823
00:51:53,791 --> 00:51:56,059
and they were in a bad temper.
824
00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:59,293
I was afraid to be around 'em.
825
00:52:00,130 --> 00:52:04,667
The trainer said, "Please, don't
let go of that chain, Bettie,
826
00:52:04,668 --> 00:52:06,302
because if they run,
827
00:52:06,303 --> 00:52:09,297
they run 55 miles and hour
and they'll be gone."
828
00:52:10,407 --> 00:52:12,709
She kept control,
829
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:14,975
and we got great pictures.
830
00:52:18,048 --> 00:52:20,049
All my life I had worshiped
831
00:52:20,050 --> 00:52:23,386
these pinup girls on the
calendars, and I thought,
832
00:52:23,387 --> 00:52:26,889
"I'd love to shoot a calendar of
someone as beautiful as Bettie."
833
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:30,793
And I thought, the holiday
season will be coming up soon.
834
00:52:30,794 --> 00:52:35,064
And I had this little
white Christmas Tree.
835
00:52:35,065 --> 00:52:37,700
And I had her pose,
836
00:52:37,701 --> 00:52:40,570
kneeling on a white shag rug.
837
00:52:40,571 --> 00:52:43,506
I didn't know that Bunny Yeager
838
00:52:43,507 --> 00:52:48,578
was going to send pictures to
Mr. Hefner for Playboy Magazine.
839
00:52:48,579 --> 00:52:51,614
She was Miss January of 1955,
840
00:52:51,615 --> 00:52:55,451
but Bettie had a fame
that kind of coincided
841
00:52:55,452 --> 00:52:59,622
and predated her
appearance in Playboy.
842
00:52:59,623 --> 00:53:02,125
You know, that little
Santa Claus hat
843
00:53:02,126 --> 00:53:04,494
and I'm winking, and I'm
sitting on my knees
844
00:53:04,495 --> 00:53:10,133
with a little Christmas Tree
ball covering "you know where".
845
00:53:13,871 --> 00:53:18,002
She had a very unique look and
also a very unique attitude.
846
00:53:25,249 --> 00:53:27,050
Back in New York,
847
00:53:27,051 --> 00:53:28,918
you couldn't work for Irving
848
00:53:28,919 --> 00:53:32,722
without doing about an hour or
an hour and a half of bondage,
849
00:53:32,723 --> 00:53:34,988
or you didn't get paid.
850
00:53:44,568 --> 00:53:47,870
Bondage, I'm noted for being
851
00:53:47,871 --> 00:53:50,940
the number one bondage
queen, they call me.
852
00:54:03,654 --> 00:54:06,189
Most of the work came
853
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:09,158
from requests he would
get in the mail,
854
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:11,461
from doctors, lawyers,
855
00:54:11,462 --> 00:54:13,262
businessmen,
856
00:54:13,263 --> 00:54:16,899
men up in high society even,
857
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,791
wanted all of these things.
858
00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:25,508
One was a big official
in the government
859
00:54:25,509 --> 00:54:28,711
and one guy was a big lawyer.
860
00:54:28,712 --> 00:54:30,880
Are either of these
guys still alive?
861
00:54:30,881 --> 00:54:32,749
No, I don't think so.
862
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:34,851
So you care to say who they were?
863
00:54:34,852 --> 00:54:37,117
No. Promises.
864
00:54:38,021 --> 00:54:40,456
The guy came in with all
the rubber outfits.
865
00:54:40,457 --> 00:54:42,291
And there was leather.
866
00:54:42,292 --> 00:54:45,161
There's a big leather
fetish out there.
867
00:54:45,162 --> 00:54:48,164
Men wanted her with the boots on.
868
00:54:48,165 --> 00:54:52,399
Pay for it, bring the
costumes, we'll do it.
869
00:54:53,537 --> 00:54:57,407
For some reason,
men like to see girls,
870
00:54:57,408 --> 00:54:59,308
one spanking the other one.
871
00:54:59,309 --> 00:55:01,377
Why, I don't know.
872
00:55:01,378 --> 00:55:05,982
And they liked to see
women helpless, tied up.
873
00:55:05,983 --> 00:55:08,749
I never thought it was
anything strange.
874
00:55:10,287 --> 00:55:14,824
Bettie had not been exposed
to this type of culture.
875
00:55:14,825 --> 00:55:18,127
She was instructed that
this is what the job was.
876
00:55:18,128 --> 00:55:19,695
To her it was acting.
877
00:55:19,696 --> 00:55:23,166
Which she enjoyed doing,
which is why her bondage stuff
878
00:55:23,167 --> 00:55:26,536
is just so terrific,
because she's acting.
879
00:55:27,704 --> 00:55:30,800
She's making believe
that she's terrified.
880
00:55:32,142 --> 00:55:34,544
For the most part, anybody
in a bondage photograph is
881
00:55:34,545 --> 00:55:37,680
just going on like
half-assed, hardly doing it.
882
00:55:37,681 --> 00:55:40,106
Bettie was acting.
883
00:55:51,995 --> 00:55:55,831
Paula, she was the only
one that ever tied us up.
884
00:55:56,633 --> 00:55:59,335
She didn't hurt us, she was
very careful about it.
885
00:55:59,336 --> 00:56:02,371
She felt safe with me being there.
886
00:56:02,372 --> 00:56:04,974
Don't hurt the babies, you know.
887
00:56:04,975 --> 00:56:09,312
Some of the pictures looked
like I was really being hurt.
888
00:56:09,313 --> 00:56:13,716
There was only one time
that I was ever frightened.
889
00:56:13,717 --> 00:56:18,588
Some guy, some lawyer I think
he was, wanted me tied up.
890
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:21,858
And my feet were off the
ground about six inches.
891
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:25,828
I thought my arm holes were going
to pull out of the sockets.
892
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:27,497
And I said, "Hurry up,
it's hurting me."
893
00:56:27,498 --> 00:56:30,566
And they kept shooting me
from all kinds of angles.
894
00:56:30,567 --> 00:56:33,603
And finally they let me down.
895
00:56:33,604 --> 00:56:37,607
And Irving later told me that
those pictures sold more
896
00:56:37,608 --> 00:56:39,709
than any picture
that he'd ever sold
897
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:41,978
of movie stars than anybody else.
898
00:56:51,788 --> 00:56:55,157
About two months later...
899
00:56:56,093 --> 00:57:00,696
I was doing a little
16mm wrestling movie.
900
00:57:00,697 --> 00:57:02,932
I heard something pop.
901
00:57:02,933 --> 00:57:06,569
I couldn't straighten out
my right knee at all.
902
00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:09,071
Finally, I called a doctor.
903
00:57:09,072 --> 00:57:12,341
He said, "It'll be about
a six inch scar."
904
00:57:12,342 --> 00:57:16,974
He said, "You won't be able to do
your pinup modeling anymore."
905
00:57:18,348 --> 00:57:21,851
I was lying in bed
feeling very unhappy
906
00:57:21,852 --> 00:57:25,721
at the thought that I wouldn't
be able to model anymore.
907
00:57:25,722 --> 00:57:29,258
And all of a sudden,
I heard a man's voice
908
00:57:29,259 --> 00:57:34,063
just as loud and clear as
you'd hear any human talk.
909
00:57:34,064 --> 00:57:39,035
He said, "Bettie, you can
straighten out your knee. Try it."
910
00:57:39,036 --> 00:57:44,073
And within a couple of seconds I was
able to straighten out my knee.
911
00:57:44,074 --> 00:57:48,706
I knew immediately it
was the voice of God.
912
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,471
She was the girl next door.
913
00:57:53,083 --> 00:57:58,721
Just so good, and went
to church on Sunday,
914
00:57:58,722 --> 00:58:02,491
that women identified with,
that they liked the idea
915
00:58:02,492 --> 00:58:04,560
that they could exude sexuality
916
00:58:04,561 --> 00:58:08,598
and not be thought of as a tramp,
917
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:11,867
that she's playing a role,
918
00:58:11,868 --> 00:58:14,470
whether it be dominatrix
919
00:58:14,471 --> 00:58:16,138
or the girl next door,
920
00:58:16,139 --> 00:58:20,475
and it was never demeaning
at any point whatsoever.
921
00:58:25,649 --> 00:58:28,317
The craziest request I ever had,
922
00:58:28,318 --> 00:58:31,287
this guy wanted me to pose
923
00:58:31,288 --> 00:58:33,889
in a black leather pony outfit
924
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:36,926
that he sent to Irving and Paula.
925
00:58:36,927 --> 00:58:39,996
I had to get on all
fours like a horse,
926
00:58:39,997 --> 00:58:43,232
and my head covered
up with this hood on.
927
00:58:43,233 --> 00:58:46,736
I said, "Well, how would he even
know who was under there at all?"
928
00:58:46,737 --> 00:58:49,639
You couldn't even see my face.
929
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,209
We died laughing about it.
930
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:55,277
And some we turned away.
931
00:58:55,278 --> 00:58:59,115
Well, there were no
nudes, that's number one.
932
00:58:59,116 --> 00:59:03,119
If there were men in the
pictures, it was pornographic.
933
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,055
And we didn't want to sell
anything that was pornographic.
934
00:59:27,077 --> 00:59:29,879
These two guys came to me and said,
935
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,647
"Bettie, we want you to testify against
Irving Klaw as a pornographer."
936
00:59:34,418 --> 00:59:37,653
I said, "What are you talking about?
Irving never even did nudes."
937
00:59:37,654 --> 00:59:40,856
They'd come in with
search warrants.
938
00:59:40,857 --> 00:59:42,992
They took a bunch of stuff.
939
00:59:42,993 --> 00:59:46,929
They took a lot of the photographs
and negatives of the models.
940
00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:51,600
They confiscated our mail and
we were getting bad publicity.
941
00:59:57,841 --> 00:59:59,675
Repercussions from the
New York hearings
942
00:59:59,676 --> 01:00:02,778
have been nationwide, with
contempt and perjury citations
943
01:00:02,779 --> 01:00:05,281
indicated by the committee.
944
01:00:05,282 --> 01:00:07,483
Now there's supposed
to be a young boy,
945
01:00:07,484 --> 01:00:11,854
I think he was 17 years
old, somewhere in Florida.
946
01:00:11,855 --> 01:00:14,190
The Kefauver committee
was blaming me
947
01:00:14,191 --> 01:00:16,592
for contributing to
juvenile delinquency
948
01:00:16,593 --> 01:00:20,429
because this boy killed himself looking
at one of my bondage pictures.
949
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:23,526
What would I have to do with that?
950
01:00:24,201 --> 01:00:26,602
Sir, I direct your
attention specifically
951
01:00:26,603 --> 01:00:30,272
to page 3 of this publication,
showing a young lady trussed up.
952
01:00:30,273 --> 01:00:32,074
And ask you to look
at that picture,
953
01:00:32,075 --> 01:00:35,111
with her arms tied behind
her back, her mouth gagged.
954
01:00:35,112 --> 01:00:36,679
There is a definite connection
955
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,049
between this sort of
thing and his death.
956
01:00:41,818 --> 01:00:45,221
They made me come
down to the courthouse,
957
01:00:45,222 --> 01:00:48,457
and they had me sit
outside the courtroom
958
01:00:48,458 --> 01:00:51,486
while they had Irving on the stand.
959
01:00:52,496 --> 01:00:56,532
Mr. Chairman, our
investigation reveals
960
01:00:56,533 --> 01:01:01,871
that Mr. Klaw is one of
the largest distributors
961
01:01:01,872 --> 01:01:05,441
of obscene, lewd,
and fetish photographs
962
01:01:05,442 --> 01:01:08,377
throughout the country by mail.
963
01:01:08,378 --> 01:01:11,547
I decline to answer
964
01:01:11,548 --> 01:01:15,751
under the Fifth Amendment
of the Constitution.
965
01:01:15,752 --> 01:01:20,389
Well, Mr. Klaw,
I must warn you that
966
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:22,892
I'll have you cited for contempt.
967
01:01:22,893 --> 01:01:25,027
Do you still refuse to answer?
968
01:01:25,028 --> 01:01:27,563
I decline to answer.
969
01:01:27,564 --> 01:01:31,066
Would that be sufficient or should I say
it all the way through, Mr. Kefauver?
970
01:01:31,067 --> 01:01:33,135
We're not asking any quarter
971
01:01:33,136 --> 01:01:35,367
nor giving any quarter, Mr. Klaw.
972
01:01:36,506 --> 01:01:37,940
Those creeps.
973
01:01:37,941 --> 01:01:39,742
Ol' Kefauver and his committee.
974
01:01:39,743 --> 01:01:43,279
I told them, "I'm not testifying
and lying about Irving Klaw."
975
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,648
I said, "I don't care. You
can't force me to do it."
976
01:01:45,649 --> 01:01:47,914
I said, "I won't do it."
977
01:01:52,455 --> 01:01:55,191
But we also went before the judge.
978
01:01:55,192 --> 01:01:58,594
And the judge said, "You
want to keep your freedom,
979
01:01:58,595 --> 01:02:01,997
you have to destroy
all the negatives."
980
01:02:01,998 --> 01:02:05,734
I said that was wrong.
981
01:02:05,735 --> 01:02:08,971
We have every right to do
and print whatever we like.
982
01:02:08,972 --> 01:02:11,169
We're not hurting anybody.
983
01:02:11,808 --> 01:02:16,579
And so I was the one that was
in charge of chucking it away.
984
01:02:16,580 --> 01:02:18,948
But I didn't.
985
01:02:20,317 --> 01:02:24,753
We did hide them, until we
were sure that the courts
986
01:02:24,754 --> 01:02:26,522
would throw it out
987
01:02:26,523 --> 01:02:29,225
and agree that this
was not pornography.
988
01:02:29,226 --> 01:02:33,662
I kept the ones I know I could
sell, just the ones with Bettie.
989
01:02:33,663 --> 01:02:38,801
I knew one day these
were going to be famous.
990
01:02:38,802 --> 01:02:42,371
She was able to sneak
a few of mine away
991
01:02:42,372 --> 01:02:44,773
that they didn't know about.
992
01:02:44,774 --> 01:02:47,509
Nearly all three-fourths
of his pictures
993
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:50,346
that he had taken in his
movie star photos and all,
994
01:02:50,347 --> 01:02:51,847
they were all burned.
995
01:02:51,848 --> 01:02:53,883
And it just ruined the poor man
996
01:02:53,884 --> 01:02:57,947
and put him in bad health,
and he ended up dying.
997
01:03:01,892 --> 01:03:04,660
I always thought,
live and let live.
998
01:03:04,661 --> 01:03:06,662
Let anybody do what they want to do
999
01:03:06,663 --> 01:03:09,431
as long as they're not
hurting anybody else.
1000
01:03:09,432 --> 01:03:12,701
I still feel that way.
1001
01:03:12,702 --> 01:03:15,204
There was a lot of
people in America
1002
01:03:15,205 --> 01:03:17,907
that would have considered
what you were doing
1003
01:03:17,908 --> 01:03:19,708
to be nasty back in those days.
1004
01:03:19,709 --> 01:03:24,313
I never thought I was
doing anything wrong.
1005
01:03:24,314 --> 01:03:28,013
I never even thought there was
anything wrong about the bondage.
1006
01:03:30,053 --> 01:03:34,523
The only thing I regret in all
of my modeling experience,
1007
01:03:34,524 --> 01:03:38,427
one time three camera
clubs got together.
1008
01:03:38,428 --> 01:03:43,599
And they got me to drinking
blackberry brandy,
1009
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,402
it's very tasty, you know.
1010
01:03:46,403 --> 01:03:51,173
And I must have gotten drunk, the
only time in my life I was drunk.
1011
01:03:51,174 --> 01:03:52,975
But I don't remember what happened,
1012
01:03:52,976 --> 01:03:54,677
I remember starting
to pose for them
1013
01:03:54,678 --> 01:03:59,114
in my regular poses
but never open poses.
1014
01:03:59,115 --> 01:04:01,850
And there were four or five shots.
1015
01:04:01,851 --> 01:04:04,386
And I was so disappointed in it.
1016
01:04:04,387 --> 01:04:06,522
That's one of the reasons
I left New York,
1017
01:04:06,523 --> 01:04:10,916
was because of those pornographic
pictures being sold on me.
1018
01:04:14,264 --> 01:04:18,367
I was 34 in 1957,
1019
01:04:18,368 --> 01:04:21,737
and I thought I was
getting too old to model.
1020
01:04:21,738 --> 01:04:24,440
And that there were so many
pictures of me around,
1021
01:04:24,441 --> 01:04:28,143
I thought the photographers
were tired of shooting me.
1022
01:04:28,144 --> 01:04:33,015
And then too I'd had all that unhappy
experience with the Kefauver committee.
1023
01:04:33,016 --> 01:04:36,408
So I just left everything.
1024
01:04:42,392 --> 01:04:45,928
She just disappeared and there
was much mystique about her.
1025
01:04:45,929 --> 01:04:49,264
Nobody knew beyond that,
1026
01:04:49,265 --> 01:04:52,301
that their was a fascinating
story about this woman,
1027
01:04:52,302 --> 01:04:57,206
who reached the peak of popularity
in her profession and disappeared.
1028
01:04:57,207 --> 01:05:00,743
Over my years of research,
I heard a lot of crazy rumors.
1029
01:05:00,744 --> 01:05:04,146
That she was slinging
hash in Texas,
1030
01:05:04,147 --> 01:05:07,383
that she had married Lash LaRue,
1031
01:05:07,384 --> 01:05:10,586
that she had moved to
England and married a duke.
1032
01:05:10,587 --> 01:05:14,723
That the mob had rubbed her out
because of a photo shoot gone bad.
1033
01:05:14,724 --> 01:05:17,626
That she had passed out literature
1034
01:05:17,627 --> 01:05:20,829
in the Chicago O'Hare
airport for Billy Graham.
1035
01:05:20,830 --> 01:05:23,562
That was the only
one that was true.
1036
01:05:24,701 --> 01:05:27,436
The whole Bettie Page phenomenon,
1037
01:05:27,437 --> 01:05:29,204
which is separate
from the human being,
1038
01:05:29,205 --> 01:05:31,240
developed while she was
simply off the scene,
1039
01:05:31,241 --> 01:05:34,610
and she was not really aware of it.
1040
01:05:34,611 --> 01:05:37,246
It still amazes me
1041
01:05:37,247 --> 01:05:39,615
after 40 years,
1042
01:05:39,616 --> 01:05:42,217
as popular as my pictures are now,
1043
01:05:42,218 --> 01:05:44,620
especially with young people.
1044
01:05:44,621 --> 01:05:48,357
Most of the boys say
they learned about me
1045
01:05:48,358 --> 01:05:53,095
from their fathers' girly magazines
that they found in the attic,
1046
01:05:53,096 --> 01:05:57,132
or prowling through their fathers'
dresser drawers and things like that.
1047
01:05:58,802 --> 01:06:03,872
And they claim that I opened
up the sexual revolution.
1048
01:06:05,341 --> 01:06:08,544
The first time that I
ever saw Bettie Page
1049
01:06:08,545 --> 01:06:13,015
in any of this material, I mean,
I immediately recognized her
1050
01:06:13,016 --> 01:06:17,453
as someone that had
the visual power
1051
01:06:17,454 --> 01:06:21,813
to provoke something inside.
1052
01:06:23,526 --> 01:06:26,495
I was thinking that I
was doing something
1053
01:06:26,496 --> 01:06:31,233
that was part of the modernist
movement of painting
1054
01:06:31,234 --> 01:06:35,571
and that was to take
a taboo photograph,
1055
01:06:35,572 --> 01:06:39,074
blow it up bigger than life-size
in a beautiful oil painting,
1056
01:06:39,075 --> 01:06:41,910
and put it in a high-end gallery.
1057
01:06:41,911 --> 01:06:45,514
Bettie Page really set the stage
1058
01:06:45,515 --> 01:06:48,584
for the vogue photographers
1059
01:06:48,585 --> 01:06:52,079
that came in the '70s and the '80s.
1060
01:06:54,124 --> 01:06:56,825
There's never been
anyone like Bettie before.
1061
01:06:56,826 --> 01:06:59,161
Monroe had Harlow and Dietrich,
1062
01:06:59,162 --> 01:07:01,497
she had all those blond bombshells,
1063
01:07:01,498 --> 01:07:04,299
but Bettie, there was
nothing like Bettie.
1064
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:07,569
She's the first icon of her nature.
1065
01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:09,705
And feminism has changed,
1066
01:07:09,706 --> 01:07:12,107
so women are actually
using sexuality
1067
01:07:12,108 --> 01:07:14,610
in a different way, they're
more accepting of it.
1068
01:07:14,611 --> 01:07:16,712
I would paint a few pictures
1069
01:07:16,713 --> 01:07:19,707
and then I would see them
appear in front of me.
1070
01:07:20,884 --> 01:07:23,352
And the girls would start
showing up dressed like her.
1071
01:07:23,353 --> 01:07:24,786
Either they had purple hair,
1072
01:07:24,787 --> 01:07:27,356
but they'd have the Bettie Page
bangs, they'd be tattooed.
1073
01:07:27,357 --> 01:07:31,093
It'd be a form of
Bettie, but different.
1074
01:07:31,094 --> 01:07:33,162
Bettie meant something to them.
1075
01:07:33,163 --> 01:07:38,728
So I kept painting Bettie for them.
1076
01:07:43,139 --> 01:07:45,674
The fetishistic outfits
that she wore,
1077
01:07:45,675 --> 01:07:48,210
I mean, those are dreams to paint.
1078
01:07:48,211 --> 01:07:51,446
You know, the seam
stockings, the garter belts,
1079
01:07:51,447 --> 01:07:55,417
the snub-nosed stilettos,
and that hair.
1080
01:07:55,418 --> 01:07:58,687
It's a lot of fun to
paint those things.
1081
01:07:58,688 --> 01:08:02,925
Her attitude, her eyes, the
steam that rises from them.
1082
01:08:02,926 --> 01:08:04,927
That's the most
important thing to me.
1083
01:08:04,928 --> 01:08:08,964
She makes it accessible that
anybody can be having this fun,
1084
01:08:08,965 --> 01:08:11,333
you're not going to
go to hell for it.
1085
01:08:13,169 --> 01:08:16,805
When AIDS came out
as the huge plague,
1086
01:08:16,806 --> 01:08:21,043
and anybody who had sex could get
it and die this horrible death,
1087
01:08:21,044 --> 01:08:25,380
I think that people really
identify with Bettie as fantasy
1088
01:08:25,381 --> 01:08:28,584
instead of the actual sex act,
1089
01:08:28,585 --> 01:08:32,421
so it was just a
matter of survival.
1090
01:08:33,756 --> 01:08:37,292
I could see that Bettie
was getting more popular
1091
01:08:37,293 --> 01:08:39,595
in so many other directions.
1092
01:08:39,596 --> 01:08:43,432
And Dave Stevens' the
Rocketeer happened.
1093
01:08:43,433 --> 01:08:45,534
I came across a full
page photograph
1094
01:08:45,535 --> 01:08:47,669
of her standing in water
1095
01:08:47,670 --> 01:08:49,838
in a little bikini that she made
1096
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,841
and just was knocked out, totally.
1097
01:08:52,842 --> 01:08:57,246
I remember thinking, this has
got to be the most attractive,
1098
01:08:57,247 --> 01:08:59,815
she just exuded health
1099
01:08:59,816 --> 01:09:04,482
and joy and everything else
that's like so appealing.
1100
01:09:16,833 --> 01:09:21,670
Dave's foundation certainly
led to the Betty Pages.
1101
01:09:22,472 --> 01:09:25,707
At the time, nobody had reprinted
a picture of Bettie Page
1102
01:09:25,708 --> 01:09:28,633
in two or three decades.
1103
01:09:29,646 --> 01:09:33,348
The first issue of the Betty
Pages sold out in two weeks.
1104
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:34,950
But word filtered back immediately.
1105
01:09:34,951 --> 01:09:36,518
Can you do a reprint of this?
1106
01:09:36,519 --> 01:09:40,822
It sold out instantly on the
newsstands, I had no idea.
1107
01:09:40,823 --> 01:09:43,325
And when I say newsstands,
I mean comic book stores,
1108
01:09:43,326 --> 01:09:45,861
that was my only distribution
outlet at the time.
1109
01:09:45,862 --> 01:09:48,430
But there was an audience waiting.
1110
01:09:48,431 --> 01:09:50,766
Thank you, Dave Stevens.
1111
01:09:50,767 --> 01:09:53,601
The readers already
knew who she was.
1112
01:09:54,304 --> 01:09:56,972
Then Bettie really became bigger
1113
01:09:56,973 --> 01:09:59,274
In the fashion world:
1114
01:09:59,275 --> 01:10:01,310
Gaultier, Muggler,
1115
01:10:01,311 --> 01:10:03,412
the S&M world, through Madonna.
1116
01:10:03,413 --> 01:10:05,881
You held me down and
tried to make me break
1117
01:10:05,882 --> 01:10:07,749
Express yourself,
don't repress yourself♪
1118
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:11,153
Did I say something true?
1119
01:10:11,154 --> 01:10:14,556
Oops, I didn't know
I couldn't talk about sex.
1120
01:10:14,557 --> 01:10:16,792
You just couldn't get around her,
1121
01:10:16,793 --> 01:10:19,628
she was a force to
be reckoned with.
1122
01:10:19,629 --> 01:10:23,532
She just became part
of the culture.
1123
01:10:23,533 --> 01:10:26,435
Bob Shultz and I started this club,
1124
01:10:26,436 --> 01:10:29,071
the "Bettie Scouts"...
tongue and cheek title,
1125
01:10:29,072 --> 01:10:32,107
kind of line Boy Scouts of America,
but Bettie Scouts of America...
1126
01:10:32,108 --> 01:10:33,942
'cause we spent a lot of time
going around the country
1127
01:10:33,943 --> 01:10:36,011
scouting for Bettie Page.
1128
01:10:36,012 --> 01:10:37,279
And when we started it,
1129
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,046
we did not know if
Bettie was still alive.
1130
01:10:41,684 --> 01:10:44,286
My gut feeling was she had
probably passed away,
1131
01:10:44,287 --> 01:10:47,055
'cause I couldn't understand how
somebody could be under the radar
1132
01:10:47,056 --> 01:10:50,448
that many years, when people
were actively looking for her.
1133
01:10:52,695 --> 01:10:55,831
I got a call from a reporter
1134
01:10:55,832 --> 01:10:58,967
in Nashville, Tennessee
named Thomas Goldsmith.
1135
01:10:58,968 --> 01:11:03,605
I would give him credit
with finding Bettie Page.
1136
01:11:03,606 --> 01:11:06,074
And he said, "Do you
know where Bettie's at?"
1137
01:11:06,075 --> 01:11:08,210
And I said, "No, I'm
just like all the rest
1138
01:11:08,211 --> 01:11:10,245
in the people in the country
trying to figure out
1139
01:11:10,246 --> 01:11:12,247
what happened to Bettie Page."
1140
01:11:12,248 --> 01:11:15,517
He said, "Bettie Page is alive.
1141
01:11:15,518 --> 01:11:17,219
And I'm gonna give you a big clue.
1142
01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:21,256
She has a living
brother in Nashville."
1143
01:11:21,257 --> 01:11:23,692
Within minutes, I called Jack Page.
1144
01:11:23,693 --> 01:11:27,429
I said, "If I write
a letter to Bettie,
1145
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:30,298
would you forward it to her?"
1146
01:11:30,299 --> 01:11:33,168
And I wrote the letter,
I believe it was, April...
1147
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:35,971
April, May, 1992.
1148
01:11:35,972 --> 01:11:39,741
I didn't hear anything
'til December of 1992.
1149
01:11:39,742 --> 01:11:41,076
And I could remember that,
1150
01:11:41,077 --> 01:11:44,146
that was one of the most
excited days of my life.
1151
01:11:44,147 --> 01:11:46,982
I went to the mailbox
and here's a letter,
1152
01:11:46,983 --> 01:11:51,012
and it says in the
corner, "Bettie Page."
1153
01:11:52,121 --> 01:11:54,956
She used to write everything
in this turquoise ink.
1154
01:11:54,957 --> 01:11:56,625
Very identifiable ink.
1155
01:11:56,626 --> 01:11:58,093
It's like her trademark.
1156
01:11:58,094 --> 01:12:01,062
And she was so flattered
to have a fan club,
1157
01:12:01,063 --> 01:12:02,431
she couldn't believe that people
1158
01:12:02,432 --> 01:12:04,566
had any interest in her
after all these years.
1159
01:12:04,567 --> 01:12:08,570
For about a year, we did
this little relay of letters.
1160
01:12:08,571 --> 01:12:12,040
And then finally in August of 1999,
1161
01:12:12,041 --> 01:12:15,243
my wife and I drove
out to California
1162
01:12:15,244 --> 01:12:17,946
and met Bettie face to face.
1163
01:12:17,947 --> 01:12:21,483
We spent a lot of time
talking about the Bible,
1164
01:12:21,484 --> 01:12:23,251
because she loved the Bible.
1165
01:12:23,252 --> 01:12:27,155
And I enjoy reading the Bible too,
so we just had a good old time.
1166
01:12:27,156 --> 01:12:28,957
And then to think, you know,
1167
01:12:28,958 --> 01:12:31,426
here I'm just a guy
collecting old magazines
1168
01:12:31,427 --> 01:12:35,497
and kind of becomes infatuated
with this pinup girl from the '50s,
1169
01:12:35,498 --> 01:12:37,365
and to think that this
could materialize
1170
01:12:37,366 --> 01:12:43,004
to the point that I get to meet her,
her family, her sisters, her brothers.
1171
01:12:43,005 --> 01:12:46,274
Now, did your family know
that you were a pinup model?
1172
01:12:46,275 --> 01:12:48,677
They never said a
word to me about it,
1173
01:12:48,678 --> 01:12:51,379
never commented about it
and nether did my mother.
1174
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:56,651
One time, I was looking in her
closet when she was gone to work,
1175
01:12:56,652 --> 01:12:59,721
and I found a whole big stack
1176
01:12:59,722 --> 01:13:02,491
of Robert Harrison's
pinup magazines,
1177
01:13:02,492 --> 01:13:04,593
with my pictures marked
1178
01:13:04,594 --> 01:13:07,696
and the pages turned down in it.
1179
01:13:07,697 --> 01:13:10,365
Never said a word to me, one
way or another about it,
1180
01:13:10,366 --> 01:13:13,132
never even mentioned it
and I didn't either.
1181
01:13:17,206 --> 01:13:21,576
She was living way out in
the fringes of Los Angeles,
1182
01:13:21,577 --> 01:13:25,413
you went any further, there
was no more humanity.
1183
01:13:25,414 --> 01:13:28,250
And she explained that she'd
had some difficulties
1184
01:13:28,251 --> 01:13:31,586
and that she was on
Social Security.
1185
01:13:32,855 --> 01:13:35,624
Now, when you walked away
from the modeling career,
1186
01:13:35,625 --> 01:13:37,325
you never really looked
back at it, did you?
1187
01:13:37,326 --> 01:13:39,427
I didn't want to be bothered.
1188
01:13:39,428 --> 01:13:43,999
I'd rather be incognito,
like I am nowadays.
1189
01:13:47,169 --> 01:13:50,272
After I left New York,
I went back to Florida,
1190
01:13:50,273 --> 01:13:54,809
and I just wanted to enjoy the
sunshine and do something else.
1191
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:58,647
I started up with my old
boyfriend Armond Walterson
1192
01:13:58,648 --> 01:14:01,516
that I had dated in 1954
1193
01:14:01,517 --> 01:14:03,919
when I was in Florida
posing for Bunny Yeager.
1194
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,621
He was going with Margaret.
1195
01:14:06,622 --> 01:14:08,023
As soon as I called him up
1196
01:14:08,024 --> 01:14:09,958
he dropped Margaret
like a hot potato
1197
01:14:09,959 --> 01:14:12,427
and started dating me.
1198
01:14:12,428 --> 01:14:15,263
Every Saturday night,
we'd go to the drive in
1199
01:14:15,264 --> 01:14:17,632
and we would sit in the
car and make love.
1200
01:14:17,633 --> 01:14:19,668
We didn't watch the
movies half the time.
1201
01:14:21,037 --> 01:14:24,372
When I met him, he didn't
even know how to kiss.
1202
01:14:24,373 --> 01:14:27,442
I taught him everything he knew.
1203
01:14:27,443 --> 01:14:30,645
He learned fast though.
1204
01:14:30,646 --> 01:14:33,348
Two months after the wedding,
1205
01:14:33,349 --> 01:14:36,217
I realized that I made a mistake.
1206
01:14:36,218 --> 01:14:39,454
All we had in common was movies,
1207
01:14:39,455 --> 01:14:42,255
sex, and hamburgers.
1208
01:14:43,492 --> 01:14:45,927
If ever I've been stupid
about anything in my life
1209
01:14:45,928 --> 01:14:49,664
it's where men are
concerned about marriage.
1210
01:14:49,665 --> 01:14:52,534
Here's what broke it all up.
1211
01:14:52,535 --> 01:14:54,736
This was the beginning
of New Year's 1958.
1212
01:14:54,737 --> 01:14:57,639
We got into a big argument
1213
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,375
because he wanted to go and
get drunk with his buddies,
1214
01:15:00,376 --> 01:15:03,578
and I wanted to go dancing like
I'd been in the habit of doing
1215
01:15:03,579 --> 01:15:05,513
on New Year's Eve,
1216
01:15:05,514 --> 01:15:09,918
so he left at about
20 minutes to 12.
1217
01:15:09,919 --> 01:15:12,116
And I went walking
out White Street.
1218
01:15:15,324 --> 01:15:17,659
And I saw a little
church over there,
1219
01:15:17,660 --> 01:15:20,362
and heard music, singing.
1220
01:15:20,363 --> 01:15:24,563
It had a white neon cross
over the top of it.
1221
01:15:26,969 --> 01:15:30,205
And I just had to go, like
somebody had me by the hand,
1222
01:15:30,206 --> 01:15:33,308
I had to cross the street and
go in there, I'm telling you.
1223
01:15:33,309 --> 01:15:37,907
I knew it was the Lord, nobody would
ever convince me it wasn't him.
1224
01:15:38,714 --> 01:15:41,650
I stood back there and
cried about all my sins.
1225
01:15:41,651 --> 01:15:45,954
I thought God disapproved of
me doing nudes, you know.
1226
01:15:45,955 --> 01:15:48,323
I didn't think anything about
the fetish and the bondage
1227
01:15:48,324 --> 01:15:50,125
for Irving, but I had to do that.
1228
01:15:50,126 --> 01:15:53,395
But I thought maybe He looked down
on me for posing in the nude.
1229
01:15:53,396 --> 01:15:56,498
That's what I was telling
the pastor, and he said,
1230
01:15:56,499 --> 01:16:00,101
"Have you ever done anything
as bad as the apostle Paul?"
1231
01:16:00,102 --> 01:16:02,070
I said, "What did he do?"
1232
01:16:02,071 --> 01:16:03,905
I didn't know the Bible.
1233
01:16:03,906 --> 01:16:06,374
He said, "Well, he had
the Christians murdered.
1234
01:16:06,375 --> 01:16:08,343
Have you ever done
anything that bad?"
1235
01:16:08,344 --> 01:16:10,478
I said, "No, of course not."
1236
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,580
He said, "Well, God forgave him
1237
01:16:12,581 --> 01:16:15,016
and made him the greatest
missionary of all time.
1238
01:16:15,017 --> 01:16:19,287
He can certainly forgive you for
posing in the nude, don't you think?"
1239
01:16:19,288 --> 01:16:22,524
And I received the Lord
Jesus as my savior
1240
01:16:22,525 --> 01:16:26,061
and I turned my life
over to the Lord,
1241
01:16:26,062 --> 01:16:30,865
and went to Bible schools
for three years.
1242
01:16:30,866 --> 01:16:32,467
They were very strict, you know.
1243
01:16:32,468 --> 01:16:35,336
I always loved dancing.
1244
01:16:35,337 --> 01:16:37,939
I couldn't even go dancing,
couldn't even go to the movies.
1245
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:40,141
The only movie I was
allowed to attend
1246
01:16:40,142 --> 01:16:43,841
during those three years
was The Ten Commandments.
1247
01:16:44,814 --> 01:16:46,448
I wanted to be a missionary.
1248
01:16:46,449 --> 01:16:48,183
I thought God wanted
me to be a missionary.
1249
01:16:48,184 --> 01:16:52,053
But you know, when I graduated
and I went to a mission board,
1250
01:16:52,054 --> 01:16:55,990
they would not take me
because I had been divorced.
1251
01:16:55,991 --> 01:16:59,027
To some Christians, especially
the fundamentalists,
1252
01:16:59,028 --> 01:17:03,091
being divorced is worse than
having committed murder!
1253
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,069
They got me to believe that I
would be out of the will of God
1254
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:09,971
if I didn't go back and
lead my first husband
1255
01:17:09,972 --> 01:17:12,707
to the Lord and marry him again.
1256
01:17:12,708 --> 01:17:16,311
Well, I led him to the Lord and he
prayed with me to receive Jesus
1257
01:17:16,312 --> 01:17:18,446
and I thought he was sincere
1258
01:17:18,447 --> 01:17:20,849
and I married him again.
1259
01:17:20,850 --> 01:17:24,085
One month I was in his house.
1260
01:17:24,086 --> 01:17:27,021
The man would not even
have sex with me.
1261
01:17:27,022 --> 01:17:28,690
And I see him, I said,
"What's the matter, Billy?"
1262
01:17:28,691 --> 01:17:31,126
He said, "Well, you're filthy.
You've still got a venereal disease."
1263
01:17:31,127 --> 01:17:33,428
I said, "Where did you ever
hear anything like that?"
1264
01:17:33,429 --> 01:17:35,096
He said, "Everybody knows it."
1265
01:17:35,097 --> 01:17:39,593
I said, "Everybody's a liar, I've never
had a venereal disease in my life."
1266
01:17:40,436 --> 01:17:43,338
Well, do you know, he
grabbed me by the throat,
1267
01:17:43,339 --> 01:17:45,073
I mean, he was choking me.
1268
01:17:45,074 --> 01:17:48,943
I was finally able to get his hands
off enough to scream out loud,
1269
01:17:48,944 --> 01:17:51,880
"Billy, if you kill me, God
will never forgive you!"
1270
01:17:51,881 --> 01:17:55,784
He let go, and he got up
and went in his room.
1271
01:17:55,785 --> 01:17:58,119
The man almost choked me to death.
1272
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,689
But that was the worst thing
that ever happened to me.
1273
01:18:01,690 --> 01:18:04,251
I almost lost my life over it.
1274
01:18:06,228 --> 01:18:08,563
I had the thing
annulled right away,
1275
01:18:08,564 --> 01:18:11,831
since it was never
consummated sexually.
1276
01:18:12,935 --> 01:18:15,103
After I spent a year and a half
1277
01:18:15,104 --> 01:18:17,872
working on a masters
degree at Peabody,
1278
01:18:17,873 --> 01:18:22,510
I just lacked four credits
now, getting the masters,
1279
01:18:22,511 --> 01:18:25,280
and I just got tired of studying.
1280
01:18:25,281 --> 01:18:27,415
So I left Nashville.
1281
01:18:27,416 --> 01:18:33,220
I went back to Miami and I
started going dancing again.
1282
01:18:34,924 --> 01:18:38,092
And one night I saw
this handsome fella.
1283
01:18:38,093 --> 01:18:41,596
She didn't look like a model
of any kind, you know.
1284
01:18:41,597 --> 01:18:45,200
She's just a healthy
looking young lady.
1285
01:18:45,201 --> 01:18:47,802
Well, not so young,
she was in her forties,
1286
01:18:47,803 --> 01:18:50,872
but just looked like a nice person.
1287
01:18:50,873 --> 01:18:53,842
So I went out on the floor
and asked her to dance,
1288
01:18:53,843 --> 01:18:56,477
and she says, "Certainly,
I'd love to dance with you."
1289
01:18:56,478 --> 01:19:00,215
So we danced and we danced,
we danced all night.
1290
01:19:00,216 --> 01:19:03,084
She was the most
unpretentious person
1291
01:19:03,085 --> 01:19:04,853
that I have ever met.
1292
01:19:04,854 --> 01:19:09,958
I called her the next day
and we were inseparable.
1293
01:19:09,959 --> 01:19:11,926
He was divorced.
1294
01:19:11,927 --> 01:19:13,528
He says, "I have two
boys and a girl."
1295
01:19:13,529 --> 01:19:16,796
I said, "Two boys and a girl,
that's what I always wanted."
1296
01:19:17,666 --> 01:19:21,369
Well, I couldn't have
children, I tried for years.
1297
01:19:21,370 --> 01:19:25,907
But I was attracted to
Harry from the word "go".
1298
01:19:25,908 --> 01:19:30,111
I just wanted to be with him
and to make love to him.
1299
01:19:30,112 --> 01:19:31,946
I didn't know a thing about her.
1300
01:19:31,947 --> 01:19:34,215
We went out on this pier,
1301
01:19:34,216 --> 01:19:37,785
and I was looking
through the post cards
1302
01:19:37,786 --> 01:19:40,855
and I saw this post card and
I looked at that post card,
1303
01:19:40,856 --> 01:19:43,758
and I looked over at her and
I looked at the card again.
1304
01:19:43,759 --> 01:19:45,493
It was Bettie.
1305
01:19:45,494 --> 01:19:49,397
It says, "Wow! We alligators
have such fun in Florida."
1306
01:19:52,434 --> 01:19:55,336
She told me that she modeled a lot.
1307
01:19:55,337 --> 01:19:58,673
And she told me she
never posed nude.
1308
01:20:00,843 --> 01:20:04,279
It didn't make any
difference to me.
1309
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,381
The people on the beach,
1310
01:20:06,382 --> 01:20:08,783
their heads would
turn and follow us,
1311
01:20:08,784 --> 01:20:12,745
not me of course, but they would
follow us walking along the beach.
1312
01:20:13,355 --> 01:20:18,693
We got married on
Valentine's Day 1967
1313
01:20:18,694 --> 01:20:24,432
with his three children as
witnesses to the wedding.
1314
01:20:24,433 --> 01:20:27,435
I had a nice new home for Bettie
1315
01:20:27,436 --> 01:20:32,573
and the children, everything
was set up perfect, you know.
1316
01:20:32,574 --> 01:20:35,476
And then we had an
addition put on the house
1317
01:20:35,477 --> 01:20:37,478
with a cement roof on top,
1318
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,516
and then I had a three foot
wall around the top of it,
1319
01:20:41,517 --> 01:20:44,408
she'd sunbathe in the
nude up there sometimes.
1320
01:20:45,220 --> 01:20:47,255
He was a hard worker.
1321
01:20:47,256 --> 01:20:49,390
Harry was a good
provider, a good lover,
1322
01:20:49,391 --> 01:20:51,960
now, he was one of the best
lovers I ever had in my life.
1323
01:20:51,961 --> 01:20:54,028
And he was very considerate of me,
1324
01:20:54,029 --> 01:20:57,398
always thinking of my
pleasure before his own.
1325
01:20:57,399 --> 01:21:00,935
I'm not anymore, but I
was a very good lover,
1326
01:21:00,936 --> 01:21:02,470
and she was a very good lover.
1327
01:21:02,471 --> 01:21:05,406
We enjoyed thrilling each other.
1328
01:21:05,407 --> 01:21:09,610
Oh, by the way, that leopard
skin robe, you know.
1329
01:21:09,611 --> 01:21:11,913
She still had that.
1330
01:21:11,914 --> 01:21:16,384
And in the morning she'd put it on,
and in the evening she'd put it on.
1331
01:21:16,385 --> 01:21:19,821
It just turned me wild when I saw her
walking around with that thing on.
1332
01:21:22,024 --> 01:21:26,094
Well, the children were just
as sweet and nice to me
1333
01:21:26,095 --> 01:21:29,364
during the months
that I dated Harry.
1334
01:21:29,365 --> 01:21:34,335
But soon as I moved into the
house, everything changed.
1335
01:21:34,336 --> 01:21:35,770
His ex-wife,
1336
01:21:35,771 --> 01:21:38,506
she was so jealous of
me with the children,
1337
01:21:38,507 --> 01:21:42,010
and she called me up at 4:00 in
the morning and cussed me out.
1338
01:21:42,011 --> 01:21:45,380
It was getting on my nerves,
I wasn't getting any sleep,
1339
01:21:45,381 --> 01:21:47,081
and I was very unhappy.
1340
01:21:47,082 --> 01:21:50,284
So I stuck it out for five years.
1341
01:21:50,285 --> 01:21:52,453
I started losing my love for Harry
1342
01:21:52,454 --> 01:21:54,622
when he wouldn't make
those children mind me
1343
01:21:54,623 --> 01:21:56,888
or do anything I asked them to do.
1344
01:21:59,561 --> 01:22:02,163
She wanted to start
going to church again.
1345
01:22:02,164 --> 01:22:05,333
And the whole family
went to church together.
1346
01:22:05,334 --> 01:22:10,705
We went Sunday morning, Sunday
night, Wednesday evening.
1347
01:22:10,706 --> 01:22:15,743
I mean, it got to be like sort
of a fanatic thing, you know.
1348
01:22:15,744 --> 01:22:17,111
I could see it in her eyes.
1349
01:22:17,112 --> 01:22:20,314
We'd go to church and
she'd blast out singing,
1350
01:22:20,315 --> 01:22:24,152
not boisterous or anything
but real loud voice singing.
1351
01:22:24,153 --> 01:22:27,455
Tears came down her cheeks,
1352
01:22:27,456 --> 01:22:29,791
and she'd get real emotional.
1353
01:22:29,792 --> 01:22:32,560
She was so obsessed with
things of the Lord.
1354
01:22:32,561 --> 01:22:35,363
Why should I stop her if...
1355
01:22:35,364 --> 01:22:38,066
if she wanted to go and serve God,
1356
01:22:38,067 --> 01:22:41,197
or the Lord, or be a missionary.
1357
01:22:42,971 --> 01:22:48,943
I got divorced on January 17, 1972,
1358
01:22:48,944 --> 01:22:50,845
then I went to Bible Town,
1359
01:22:50,846 --> 01:22:55,083
which is 70 miles up near
Boca Raton, Florida.
1360
01:22:55,084 --> 01:22:58,519
While I was up there,
I started imagining
1361
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,823
that I was hearing somebody talking
to me on my tape recorder,
1362
01:23:01,824 --> 01:23:04,992
and I thought I was
really listening
1363
01:23:04,993 --> 01:23:08,096
to God and the angels
and the devil.
1364
01:23:08,097 --> 01:23:10,832
I lost a lot of weight
then, I wasn't eating
1365
01:23:10,833 --> 01:23:14,498
because they were keeping
me awake talking all night.
1366
01:23:16,338 --> 01:23:21,198
It had built up in my mind so
much that my mind snapped.
1367
01:23:22,878 --> 01:23:26,647
She had caused some
kind of a disturbance.
1368
01:23:26,648 --> 01:23:28,649
The police called me
1369
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:33,654
and asked me if I could
come up and pick her up.
1370
01:23:33,655 --> 01:23:37,625
I put her out there in my,
I think it was my bedroom,
1371
01:23:37,626 --> 01:23:40,495
and I slept on the
couch at the time.
1372
01:23:40,496 --> 01:23:42,663
I thought I owed it to her.
1373
01:23:42,664 --> 01:23:44,899
What would happen if
I kicked her out?
1374
01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:49,937
And the state of Florida in no
way is good to mental illness.
1375
01:23:49,938 --> 01:23:53,641
And I tried to get
her going in places
1376
01:23:53,642 --> 01:23:56,077
and they wouldn't bother with her.
1377
01:23:56,078 --> 01:23:59,313
She had lost it, there's
no doubt about it.
1378
01:23:59,314 --> 01:24:02,517
Bettie called us into
the living room,
1379
01:24:02,518 --> 01:24:05,386
me and my son Larry and Brad,
1380
01:24:05,387 --> 01:24:10,458
called us over by this
picture of Jesus Christ,
1381
01:24:10,459 --> 01:24:12,894
with a knife in her hand.
1382
01:24:12,895 --> 01:24:14,962
She said, "If you take
your eyes off him,
1383
01:24:14,963 --> 01:24:18,127
I'm going to cut your guts out."
1384
01:24:20,636 --> 01:24:22,970
Whoa, you know, here I was.
1385
01:24:22,971 --> 01:24:24,906
I could read Bettie pretty good
1386
01:24:24,907 --> 01:24:30,144
and I felt safe that she wasn't
going to do it right then.
1387
01:24:30,145 --> 01:24:32,947
I said, "Bettie, I've got
to go to the bathroom,
1388
01:24:32,948 --> 01:24:35,950
I've got to relieve
myself real bad."
1389
01:24:35,951 --> 01:24:38,853
So I went back into the bedroom,
1390
01:24:38,854 --> 01:24:41,155
picked up the phone,
1391
01:24:41,156 --> 01:24:43,157
called the Hialeah Police.
1392
01:24:43,158 --> 01:24:45,560
I let the cop in the front door.
1393
01:24:45,561 --> 01:24:48,262
Bettie went peacefully,
1394
01:24:48,263 --> 01:24:50,790
with a blank look on her face.
1395
01:24:51,433 --> 01:24:54,602
I ended up having a nervous
breakdown and hearing voices,
1396
01:24:54,603 --> 01:24:57,738
and had to go to the
hospital because of it.
1397
01:24:57,739 --> 01:25:00,575
They took me to Jackson
Memorial Hospital.
1398
01:25:00,576 --> 01:25:04,045
They have on the fifth
floor a psychiatric ward.
1399
01:25:04,046 --> 01:25:06,981
I was just there two months.
1400
01:25:06,982 --> 01:25:10,651
They gave me this
horrible thorazine.
1401
01:25:10,652 --> 01:25:15,256
I felt like I had sparks and
things going in my head,
1402
01:25:15,257 --> 01:25:17,625
and you feel like you're
going to die right after,
1403
01:25:17,626 --> 01:25:20,392
for an hour or two after
you take the thorazine.
1404
01:25:21,964 --> 01:25:25,833
But it knocked the voices
right out of me though.
1405
01:25:25,834 --> 01:25:30,170
She was completely
medicated all the time.
1406
01:25:30,906 --> 01:25:33,407
Now, when she was
getting treatment,
1407
01:25:33,408 --> 01:25:35,901
do you know if they gave
her any shock treatment?
1408
01:25:37,079 --> 01:25:39,504
I think she had two.
1409
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:48,483
Jimmy, one time he came up to the house
after Bettie was with me awhile.
1410
01:25:49,458 --> 01:25:51,993
He said, "I'm gonna take Bettie
back to California with me,
1411
01:25:51,994 --> 01:25:54,228
we're gonna get a place,
we're gonna live together,
1412
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:56,597
we're gonna get a
house or something."
1413
01:25:56,598 --> 01:25:59,967
California, it's a
very liberal state,
1414
01:25:59,968 --> 01:26:03,826
and their mental facilities
are the best in the world.
1415
01:26:05,140 --> 01:26:08,709
Jimmy and I were close
when we were growing up.
1416
01:26:08,710 --> 01:26:10,711
I didn't have any money hardly.
1417
01:26:10,712 --> 01:26:13,580
I had just enough to get
to California at the time.
1418
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:18,786
Jimmy was supposed to
meet her in California,
1419
01:26:18,787 --> 01:26:21,422
didn't show up.
1420
01:26:21,423 --> 01:26:24,121
That's why she got in trouble.
1421
01:26:27,629 --> 01:26:31,666
She was trying to get rent
receipts from her landlord.
1422
01:26:31,667 --> 01:26:34,235
She was hearing voices,
1423
01:26:34,236 --> 01:26:37,138
I guess telling her to do
some pretty awful things.
1424
01:26:37,139 --> 01:26:40,908
And she thought it was the
devil speaking to her.
1425
01:26:40,909 --> 01:26:42,343
And she did tell me,
1426
01:26:42,344 --> 01:26:46,213
"I had a knife and I was
upset with my landlady,
1427
01:26:46,214 --> 01:26:48,916
and I wrestled her to the
ground and I straddled her,
1428
01:26:48,917 --> 01:26:51,752
and I told her that I was
going to cut her up."
1429
01:26:51,753 --> 01:26:53,654
The lady did not die.
1430
01:26:53,655 --> 01:26:57,725
The lady got cut pretty
severally on her hand.
1431
01:26:57,726 --> 01:27:00,961
Bleeding, blood everywhere.
1432
01:27:00,962 --> 01:27:02,997
Obvious that the lady
needed stitches.
1433
01:27:02,998 --> 01:27:07,034
She was stabbed like
20 or 30 times.
1434
01:27:07,035 --> 01:27:12,340
She pleaded insanity to this charge
of "attempt to commit murder"
1435
01:27:12,341 --> 01:27:16,108
and this assault so they then
put her away for ten years.
1436
01:27:20,415 --> 01:27:23,984
You talked to the
psychiatrist, I think it was,
1437
01:27:23,985 --> 01:27:26,887
three times a week
for half an hour.
1438
01:27:26,888 --> 01:27:31,826
And you went to groups, mostly
group therapy as they call it.
1439
01:27:31,827 --> 01:27:33,928
You just talked about why
1440
01:27:33,929 --> 01:27:35,996
or what caused you to
have your breakdown,
1441
01:27:35,997 --> 01:27:39,567
and I was put on something
called Novane and Artane.
1442
01:27:39,568 --> 01:27:43,371
She had never hinted about any
of the trouble with the law,
1443
01:27:43,372 --> 01:27:46,507
any of the mental institution
years, any of that.
1444
01:27:46,508 --> 01:27:49,643
I didn't think it was something
anybody would want to hear about.
1445
01:27:49,644 --> 01:27:52,308
And it was not anybody's business.
1446
01:27:53,115 --> 01:27:56,250
A lot of people still look down on you
if you've had a nervous breakdown.
1447
01:27:56,251 --> 01:28:00,143
They still thinking like they did
a hundred years ago about it.
1448
01:28:02,157 --> 01:28:04,291
Bettie's the one
that paid the price,
1449
01:28:04,292 --> 01:28:07,561
spending 9 or 10 years
at Patton State
1450
01:28:07,562 --> 01:28:10,430
in a horrible, horrible situation.
1451
01:28:11,466 --> 01:28:16,103
I learned that she was
paranoid schizophrenic.
1452
01:28:16,104 --> 01:28:19,273
That's an enormous cross to bare.
1453
01:28:19,274 --> 01:28:23,577
And whereas she had her parents
1454
01:28:23,578 --> 01:28:27,314
to thank for her
amazing good looks,
1455
01:28:27,315 --> 01:28:28,649
it was a mixed blessing
1456
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:31,786
because her parents
were also responsible
1457
01:28:31,787 --> 01:28:35,990
for this genetic predisposition
1458
01:28:35,991 --> 01:28:39,527
towards paranoid schizophrenia,
1459
01:28:39,528 --> 01:28:43,264
plus her mother didn't want her,
1460
01:28:43,265 --> 01:28:47,101
and her father molested her.
1461
01:28:47,102 --> 01:28:51,563
Those are heavy
burdens to deal with.
1462
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:58,279
She was probably one of the
most strong willed people
1463
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:59,713
anyone's ever going to meet.
1464
01:28:59,714 --> 01:29:02,850
And she'd admit that
she had fallen down
1465
01:29:02,851 --> 01:29:05,519
but she was going to renew,
1466
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,355
with great enthusiasm and optimism
1467
01:29:08,356 --> 01:29:10,458
that this time she
would get it right.
1468
01:29:10,459 --> 01:29:15,296
I told her that anytime
there's anything she needs,
1469
01:29:15,297 --> 01:29:17,331
that there are thousands of people
1470
01:29:17,332 --> 01:29:20,301
who would just do anything for
her if they had the chance.
1471
01:29:20,302 --> 01:29:24,638
The one who really did the
most for her was Dave Stevens,
1472
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:27,274
to the point of she would
call him to go out
1473
01:29:27,275 --> 01:29:30,411
and bring her food or
take her to the doctor.
1474
01:29:30,412 --> 01:29:32,947
I took her into Tower Records
1475
01:29:32,948 --> 01:29:36,050
and I steered her around
to the book section,
1476
01:29:36,051 --> 01:29:39,253
and there on an end cap
of an aisle of books
1477
01:29:39,254 --> 01:29:42,590
was a display of nothing
but Bettie Page books,
1478
01:29:42,591 --> 01:29:45,659
and she just stood
there in amazement.
1479
01:29:45,660 --> 01:29:48,162
She gets so tickled when
she sees some new book
1480
01:29:48,163 --> 01:29:52,700
with her picture on it or some...
whatever product it is,
1481
01:29:52,701 --> 01:29:55,269
even if she's not getting
any money for it.
1482
01:29:55,270 --> 01:30:00,374
Dave knew that Bettie had
been Miss January 1955,
1483
01:30:00,375 --> 01:30:03,143
and he knew that Hef had
never met Bettie Page
1484
01:30:03,144 --> 01:30:05,479
and suggested that they meet.
1485
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:08,816
And he invited me to
dinner at his home,
1486
01:30:08,817 --> 01:30:11,352
the most beautiful home I've
ever been in in my life.
1487
01:30:11,353 --> 01:30:14,455
Looks like a big castle
up in Beverly Hills.
1488
01:30:14,456 --> 01:30:16,790
So usually at the Playboy Mansion,
1489
01:30:16,791 --> 01:30:19,293
everyone has cameras,
everything is being recorded.
1490
01:30:19,294 --> 01:30:22,263
But on this night, because
of Bettie being so private,
1491
01:30:22,264 --> 01:30:25,098
so discreet, no cameras.
1492
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,234
I liked Mr. Hefner.
1493
01:30:27,235 --> 01:30:29,670
He was a very nice,
down to earth fella.
1494
01:30:29,671 --> 01:30:32,840
And he greeted us,
Dave Stevens and I,
1495
01:30:32,841 --> 01:30:36,577
in his pajamas, now,
a smoking jacket
1496
01:30:36,578 --> 01:30:40,948
and his purple, satin pajamas.
1497
01:30:40,949 --> 01:30:44,852
And Hef had arranged for a loan of
a 35mm print of "The Rocketeer",
1498
01:30:44,853 --> 01:30:49,223
which was Dave Stevens'
creation, from Disney.
1499
01:30:49,224 --> 01:30:51,525
And Bettie had never seen the film.
1500
01:30:51,526 --> 01:30:54,662
She wanted to see this
film that was an homage
1501
01:30:54,663 --> 01:30:56,263
to her, inspired by her.
1502
01:30:56,264 --> 01:30:59,333
You're a sweet little headache
1503
01:30:59,334 --> 01:31:03,003
But you are lots of fun
1504
01:31:03,004 --> 01:31:05,205
I've a good mind to spank you...
1505
01:31:05,206 --> 01:31:07,107
There was an unauthorized film
1506
01:31:07,108 --> 01:31:12,813
made in 2005 called "The
Notorious Bettie Page".
1507
01:31:12,814 --> 01:31:14,214
This is quite an elegant knot,
1508
01:31:14,215 --> 01:31:17,550
because the more the subject pulls
the tighter the knot becomes.
1509
01:31:18,987 --> 01:31:22,923
She didn't like the word
"Notorious" in the title.
1510
01:31:22,924 --> 01:31:25,826
And do you approve?
1511
01:31:25,827 --> 01:31:28,092
I believe in Jesus.
1512
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:31,830
Well, of course you do, my dear.
1513
01:31:35,737 --> 01:31:38,071
Of course you do.
1514
01:31:39,674 --> 01:31:41,508
But all of a sudden,
here's what you heard
1515
01:31:41,509 --> 01:31:43,577
from the back of the
screening room.
1516
01:31:43,578 --> 01:31:47,448
"Lies, lies, lies!
1517
01:31:47,449 --> 01:31:51,218
L-I-E-S, lies!
1518
01:31:51,219 --> 01:31:54,782
Why don't you tell the truth?"
1519
01:31:56,992 --> 01:31:59,693
When she resurfaced
here in California,
1520
01:31:59,694 --> 01:32:03,530
she was not being properly
represented by anybody,
1521
01:32:03,531 --> 01:32:07,334
and a lot of people were exploiting
her and taking advantage of her.
1522
01:32:07,335 --> 01:32:13,240
And I was able to put her in the hands
of more appropriate business people,
1523
01:32:13,241 --> 01:32:15,009
legal people,
1524
01:32:15,010 --> 01:32:17,144
so that she had the right
kind of representation
1525
01:32:17,145 --> 01:32:19,947
and somebody to look after
her and take care of her.
1526
01:32:19,948 --> 01:32:22,216
And we've been very
close ever since.
1527
01:32:22,217 --> 01:32:25,719
And I had a call from
Mr. Hefner, who asked me
1528
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,521
if I would help out a friend of his
1529
01:32:27,522 --> 01:32:30,324
and try to see that
anything that was done
1530
01:32:30,325 --> 01:32:31,959
with Bettie's name and likeness
1531
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,361
ultimately had her approval on it
1532
01:32:34,362 --> 01:32:38,132
and of course she would receive
some type of compensation for it.
1533
01:32:38,133 --> 01:32:40,701
I made more money in
very recent years
1534
01:32:40,702 --> 01:32:44,605
than I ever made during the seven years
I was modeling back in the '50s.
1535
01:32:44,606 --> 01:32:47,775
Bettie was able to enjoy life more
1536
01:32:47,776 --> 01:32:51,512
because of what she could do
in the later part of her life.
1537
01:32:59,220 --> 01:33:01,355
I think she had an
incredible charm.
1538
01:33:01,356 --> 01:33:04,558
She had an incredible aura,
or how you say it, charisma.
1539
01:33:04,559 --> 01:33:07,594
And I think a lot of
models learned from her.
1540
01:33:07,595 --> 01:33:10,097
There's nothing
intimidating about Bettie.
1541
01:33:10,098 --> 01:33:12,132
Women can appreciate her,
men can appreciate her.
1542
01:33:12,133 --> 01:33:15,769
Most of them, you don't really
remember the the person,
1543
01:33:15,770 --> 01:33:18,806
but her, you know, you say,
"Oh yeah, that's Bettie Page."
1544
01:33:18,807 --> 01:33:21,642
She's also has had the
keen sense of timing
1545
01:33:21,643 --> 01:33:25,376
to know exactly when not
to appear, which is hard.
1546
01:33:26,181 --> 01:33:27,347
Go ahead, Bettie.
1547
01:33:27,348 --> 01:33:29,483
Hello every one of you.
1548
01:33:29,984 --> 01:33:32,820
Hi, Bettie.
1549
01:33:32,821 --> 01:33:34,455
Thank you very much.
1550
01:33:34,456 --> 01:33:36,824
Gee, sounds like a big mob.
1551
01:33:36,825 --> 01:33:38,225
It is a big mob.
1552
01:33:38,226 --> 01:33:42,096
Bettie, you have thrown the coolest
opening in SoHo that I've seen.
1553
01:33:42,097 --> 01:33:45,899
I hope you like my book,
I'm very pleased with it.
1554
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:50,104
And we're just all super fans of
yours, and we all wanted to say
1555
01:33:50,105 --> 01:33:52,940
congratulations, and three
cheers to Bettie Page.
1556
01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:01,148
When I realized it was really big
1557
01:34:01,149 --> 01:34:06,520
is when I got the first Bettie Scouts
of America fan letter from China.
1558
01:34:06,521 --> 01:34:09,256
I mean, it's literally
all over the world.
1559
01:34:09,257 --> 01:34:11,425
New Zealand, Australia,
all over Europe.
1560
01:34:11,426 --> 01:34:14,128
She's very very popular in Japan.
1561
01:34:14,129 --> 01:34:15,863
Very popular in England,
1562
01:34:15,864 --> 01:34:17,822
France and Germany.
1563
01:34:23,238 --> 01:34:26,440
Always I had been
inspired by Bettie Page,
1564
01:34:26,441 --> 01:34:30,844
and then the pinups from the
'50s and Bettie is the one,
1565
01:34:30,845 --> 01:34:33,247
the most extreme and
most special one.
1566
01:34:33,248 --> 01:34:36,169
Bettie Page was way
ahead of her time...
1567
01:34:52,133 --> 01:34:55,969
She influenced
[Theiry mugler, gauliter].
1568
01:34:55,970 --> 01:34:57,905
I mean, she did it with humor,
1569
01:34:57,906 --> 01:35:00,841
and I'll always work on my
design in lingerie with humor.
1570
01:35:00,842 --> 01:35:02,476
I mean, it has to be sexy,
1571
01:35:02,477 --> 01:35:05,675
but it must have a
small part of humor.
1572
01:35:06,714 --> 01:35:09,950
Bettie Page can be
an example for women
1573
01:35:09,951 --> 01:35:15,721
to be beautiful, fun, sexy,
and why not, intelligent.
1574
01:35:16,791 --> 01:35:19,393
Lisa, we got another
postcard from your father.
1575
01:35:19,394 --> 01:35:21,662
Wish you were her.
1576
01:35:21,663 --> 01:35:23,597
How many of these things
is he going to send me?
1577
01:35:23,598 --> 01:35:26,533
Why don't you love me?
1578
01:35:26,534 --> 01:35:28,902
Tell me baby why don't you love me
1579
01:35:28,903 --> 01:35:33,501
When I make me so
damn easy to love.
1580
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:36,910
You know, when I
started seeing girls,
1581
01:35:36,911 --> 01:35:39,513
teenage, twenty, young girls,
1582
01:35:39,514 --> 01:35:42,508
with Bettie tattoos,
I could not believe it.
1583
01:35:43,051 --> 01:35:45,619
And why don't you need me?
1584
01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:48,188
They're looking at
her as a role model,
1585
01:35:48,189 --> 01:35:52,292
as this symbol of
joyous sexual freedom.
1586
01:35:52,293 --> 01:35:54,862
Tell me, baby,
why don't you love me
1587
01:35:54,863 --> 01:35:58,528
When I make me so
damn easy to love?
1588
01:36:02,704 --> 01:36:04,004
It's a tribute to her.
1589
01:36:04,005 --> 01:36:06,573
These heartbreaking good looks,
1590
01:36:06,574 --> 01:36:09,977
the riveting appeal
of her personality,
1591
01:36:09,978 --> 01:36:13,547
still to this day inspires
the kind of response
1592
01:36:13,548 --> 01:36:16,450
that you get from artists,
1593
01:36:16,451 --> 01:36:19,553
fashion designers,
1594
01:36:19,554 --> 01:36:23,014
and the fandom, which
we know is incredible.
1595
01:36:23,791 --> 01:36:27,027
The Bettie Page they
love is very real.
1596
01:36:27,028 --> 01:36:32,132
In other words, I think that she
had this kind of amoral attitude
1597
01:36:32,133 --> 01:36:36,570
towards sexuality and nudity, and
even, you know, the bondage things.
1598
01:36:36,571 --> 01:36:42,075
She did not disgrace those
who looked more sternly
1599
01:36:42,076 --> 01:36:46,246
upon portraits of sexuality.
1600
01:36:46,247 --> 01:36:51,482
I think she handled her
phases of life with dignity.
1601
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:56,990
The suggestion back then that
sex was simply a natural,
1602
01:36:56,991 --> 01:37:01,428
normal part of life was
very revolutionary,
1603
01:37:01,429 --> 01:37:08,496
and helped to change the
values of our time.
1604
01:37:09,103 --> 01:37:13,200
I think that in that context
Bettie Page is truly iconic.
1605
01:37:15,944 --> 01:37:18,545
If you think the images are
wonderful, you have no idea.
1606
01:37:18,546 --> 01:37:21,114
She's a wonderful human being.
1607
01:37:21,115 --> 01:37:25,052
I never thought of myself as
anything special or important.
1608
01:37:25,053 --> 01:37:28,455
I was just doing my job and
enjoyed ever bit of it.
1609
01:37:30,425 --> 01:37:34,594
And I'm so thankful that
you like my pictures
1610
01:37:34,595 --> 01:37:38,298
and that you care as
much as you do about me,
1611
01:37:38,299 --> 01:37:42,999
and I wish you all the
best, every one of you.
1612
01:38:04,525 --> 01:38:07,995
Well I've seen her face,
in a magazine
1613
01:38:07,996 --> 01:38:09,696
She was looking real cute
1614
01:38:09,697 --> 01:38:11,465
Yea, without her jeans
1615
01:38:11,466 --> 01:38:13,166
She was staring back at me
1616
01:38:13,167 --> 01:38:14,601
With those cunning bad eyes
1617
01:38:14,602 --> 01:38:17,904
I got so turned on,
it was hard to disguise
1618
01:38:17,905 --> 01:38:21,441
The 21 st Century Bettie Page
1619
01:38:21,442 --> 01:38:24,544
The 21 st Century Bettie Page
1620
01:38:24,545 --> 01:38:27,814
Well she's got a different
look, it's from another page
1621
01:38:27,815 --> 01:38:32,117
She's a 21st Century Bettie Page
1622
01:38:37,725 --> 01:38:41,261
Well, I found her name
from a mixed flat mate...
1623
01:38:41,262 --> 01:38:43,797
I am a huge fan, I love her.
1624
01:38:43,798 --> 01:38:45,966
We are the daughters
of Bettie Page.
1625
01:38:45,967 --> 01:38:48,335
There's a little
Bettie in all of us.
1626
01:38:48,336 --> 01:38:50,504
Everyone has a dark side to them
1627
01:38:50,505 --> 01:38:53,807
and she just showed her dark
side the best way possible.
1628
01:38:53,808 --> 01:39:00,044
Wild, strong, liberated,
yet extremely sexy woman.
1629
01:39:00,915 --> 01:39:02,783
- Hello?
- Bettie?
1630
01:39:02,784 --> 01:39:04,284
Yes?
1631
01:39:04,285 --> 01:39:07,721
It's been so many years.
This is Paula Klaw, how are you?
1632
01:39:07,722 --> 01:39:10,852
Very good. Gee, you
sound like a young girl.
1633
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:17,164
I like my privacy these days, I don't
even give out interviews at all.
1634
01:39:17,165 --> 01:39:19,733
Yeah, I know. Good for you.
1635
01:39:19,734 --> 01:39:21,435
So what's your biggest seller now?
1636
01:39:21,436 --> 01:39:22,803
Bettie Page.
1637
01:39:22,804 --> 01:39:24,538
You're kidding,
I don't believe you.
1638
01:39:24,539 --> 01:39:29,042
Do believe me. Everybody
wants your pictures, Bettie.
1639
01:39:29,043 --> 01:39:33,747
I know, I can't get
over the popularity.
1640
01:39:33,748 --> 01:39:36,783
Well, I'm sure you must have
been doing something right.
1641
01:39:38,186 --> 01:39:41,021
I don't know, it amazes
me, I'm telling you.
1642
01:39:41,022 --> 01:39:42,722
I don't understand it at all.
1643
01:39:42,723 --> 01:39:48,128
Well, what a delight to talk
to you after so many years.
1644
01:39:48,129 --> 01:39:49,696
Okay.
1645
01:39:49,697 --> 01:39:51,465
- Okay.
- All right.
1646
01:39:51,466 --> 01:39:53,667
Okay, sweetheart, it was
a delight talking to you.
1647
01:39:53,668 --> 01:39:54,968
Same here, Paula.
1648
01:39:54,969 --> 01:39:56,736
Okay, love you, sweetheart.
1649
01:39:56,737 --> 01:39:57,838
You too.
1650
01:39:57,839 --> 01:40:00,040
And I think of you
fondly and Irving too.
1651
01:40:00,041 --> 01:40:01,475
Thank you, darling.
1652
01:40:01,476 --> 01:40:04,144
- Bye bye.
- Bye bye.
1653
01:40:04,145 --> 01:40:06,980
I didn't hardly
recognize her voice,
1654
01:40:06,981 --> 01:40:08,782
it's even so much deeper.
1655
01:40:08,783 --> 01:40:12,085
I guess in the years
your voice changes,
1656
01:40:12,086 --> 01:40:15,722
'cause she's got like a
hoarseness to her voice.
1657
01:40:15,723 --> 01:40:18,158
But the same Bettie.
1658
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:20,760
Love her, she sounds so great.
1659
01:40:21,929 --> 01:40:23,597
Oh Betty
1660
01:40:23,598 --> 01:40:27,134
Sweet and fun and kind of saucy
1661
01:40:27,135 --> 01:40:31,338
You can be a little bossy
1662
01:40:31,339 --> 01:40:33,140
But I don't care
1663
01:40:33,141 --> 01:40:36,676
Just wink at me in your underwear
1664
01:40:36,677 --> 01:40:38,478
Oh Betty
1665
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:42,182
The world is not quite ready
1666
01:40:42,183 --> 01:40:45,819
For you and your satin teddy
1667
01:40:45,820 --> 01:40:47,787
But you're a star
1668
01:40:47,788 --> 01:40:51,458
And I will take you
just the way you are
1669
01:40:51,459 --> 01:40:54,661
Betty, in color or black and white
1670
01:40:54,662 --> 01:40:56,630
On a bear skin rug
1671
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Or dressed up tight
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Betty, with a smile so sweet
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It just melts my heart
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Maybe some day we'll meet
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Maybe some day we'll meet
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Betty, can you stay the night?
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Don't have to ask your mother
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If it will be all right
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Betty, please say you might
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Betty, please say you might.144785
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