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I don't feel like I'm here at this press conference as a star.

If we have to label myself, I would prefer the first label to be human,

the second label is to be a pacifist and

if we have to have a third it can be a folk singer.

When people expected something from me

or they saw me in a way that I probably didn't see myself

my battle was and somehow still is,

How can I separate what they think I am from what I am or what I think I am?

Because they probably don't have much to do with each other.

And someone says,

I feel like I've known you all my life.

I know it feels like this, and they don't know anything about me.

Buenas tardes.

Most of my life, I look back, and I don't see how that really happened,

that really happened.

I would say that for most of my life.

When I was young we moved all the time

We didn't stay anywhere for more than four years.

And when I was 17, we moved again.

My mother, father and sister drove across the country to Cambridge.

I thought my family was different, special.

My mother was more beautiful than any other.

My father was smarter than anyone else.

Well, I guess it's a good way to grow up.

And Pauline, my older sister, was very, very shy

And somehow he found a way to be invisible

I was really very attached to Mimi.

We sang together.

And she sang the most beautiful harmonies with me.

When we were in Cambridge, the Harvard boys fell in love with me

And they fell in love with Mimi, and they couldn't tell who was which.

So we had them all over the house, which helped us learn songs really fast.

And then when the folk music boom started,

I was right in the middle of it all, in Harvard Square.

She had just finished high school, she hadn't been exposed to anything,

and suddenly ... blam.

And for me, it was the music.

I mean, this guy sitting under a yellowish lamp playing Plaisir d'Amour.

And I think that was the "I got it!"

Cafes were clandestine, cool, hip, and all.

The one I ended up spending most of my time on was Club 47.

It was in the happy month of May

when all the green shoots were inflamed.

I just show up around and flirt with guys

and I would learn two other songs in one night and sing my own thing.

Every Tuesday and Friday, I think it was.

I pretended I was going to college for half a year or something like that.

I must have lasted about nine minutes at Boston University.

I mean, I'm exaggerating a bit, but I was out after six weeks.

I was on the streets of Harvard Square, in the snow, learning folk songs.

The ballads were about unrequited love and they were beautiful,

and love, death, and beauty, somehow , were all entangled there.

Young as I was, seemed to have heart and soul

full of sadness that is drawn to those songs.

And almost only those songs, they were sad and long

and beautiful and there I was.

When he was dead and buried in the grave.

The first time I became aware of Joan Baez we had gone to Club 47

And there was this, I like to say, older woman with long black hair.

I fell in love, I loved it.

I thought she was wonderful, I thought she was beautiful.

And not only did she strum the guitar, she plucked with her fingers.

And that impressed me a lot.

She had a very unusual way of playing the guitar.

I never heard anyone do it the way Joanie did.

And I tried to practice it, but

couldn't pull off that style.

My parents had got me a guitar at Sears and Roebuck

and from then on I spent all my time with her.

And there are pictures of me with the guitar hanging at my knees

because I didn't know that one could hold it higher.

I'm standing there like Elvis, because I didn't know.

I would take my guitar to school and sing at lunchtime.

It got a lot of attention.

She just wanted to be loved, like everyone else.

Even if he was a bit of a court jester , he was attention and I liked him.

Had my little bedside radio on until as late as I could

before my mother came in, and told me to turn it off.

It was rhythm and blues, all the time.

Anything that had 3 or 4 chords, and I could play most of them.

There were two types of songs where I lived, and in my repertoire.

There were the good guys, and then there were the rogues.

And, of course, you know I liked rogues better.

The problem is, I didn't understand why they were rogue.

What...

Well, you are the cutest thing I ever saw.

I really love your peaches I'm going to shake your tree.

Lovey-Dovey.

And I imagined the family in the yard shaking the peach tree.

I don't know why I loved rhythm and blues so much

but it was simple and the voices were sexy.

Uf...

It interested me much more than any other white music that was listened to.

I don't know how I changed from singing rhythm and blues to feeling

so absolutely at home with folk music.

Harry Belafonte was the first folk music album to come into my house.

And then we move on to Odetta.

And Pete Seger.

And that was the beginning.

There were a lot of talented people trying to make a living as a folk singer

in the little cafes and clubs that were out there back then.

Even me.

Joan was one of the best.

She was extremely talented and left people shocked.

He had that personal appeal and that soprano voice,

I just couldn't get her out of my mind.

And their range of songs was very unusual for that time.

A combination of all the things that she did,

They came together in such a way that it seemed like something miraculous.

I was singing in these coffee shops and people were even going to pay me,

but I was not particularly anyone.

And then something very, very, very important to me, the Newport Folk Festival.

I was invited for a couple of songs.

And I don't know if I've ever been so terrified in my life.

I was standing off stage and my knees were shaking.

I literally knew where the expression came from.

I couldn't control my knees.

But then I went out and it was wonderful.

And I knew how wonderful it was because the audience, which is the biggest audience

in the history of the world, 13,000 people, all cheered and shouted.

It was all just ... wow, and I enjoyed it, I loved it.

It was a lot of attention, a lot.

And then all of a sudden I was the queen of folk.

Bingo, like this.

Because someone is going to get hurt from this pileup,

Now come on, come on, come on guys, now come back.

In the early 1960s, Joan Baez was the queen of folk music.

I was absolutely at the top.

Today it is difficult for people to understand how great Joan was.

She was on the cover of Time, and there she was.

At the time, the folk scene was ideal.

It was full of wonderful and vibrant people who contributed

with wonderful songs and wonderful performances.

It was the golden age of folk.

Joanie was at the forefront of a new dynamic in American music.

She had a record circulating in folk music circles called,

I think her name was Joan Baez.

And everyone listened to it.

Even me.

I listened to it a lot.

All the girls I knew who played guitar when I was starting to play guitar

they were listening to Joan Baez records.

And they were very, very, very important records .

The first two were gold albums , it was almost unheard of

that a folk music LP sold so many copies.

When my first album came out, I remember thinking, oh this is so much fun,

seeing as it was in the top 40 or something.

I had never followed the music, I did not know the lingo.

The first time I saw "Baez sings SRO at New York City Hall",

I thought SRO, SRO, that must mean sold out seats. (Sold Right Out)

Space only for standing people! (Standing Room Only)

Sold out seats, that made sense to me.

I did not know all that.

When things started to move seriously, I was very excited and more scared.

I was afraid of what would happen to me if I got caught

in the machinery of commercialism.

It seemed very important not to be overwhelmed

with a bigger ego than the one I already had.

How to handle this struggle to remain

just one person when all this is happening around you?

Time magazine asked me Do you want to do a cover story?

And something in me said ugh, how awful.

But something in me said how irresistible it is to be on the cover of Time magazine.

And I tried to think if I knew anyone in the world

who would not like it.

Who wouldn't want to be on the cover of Time magazine?

And I couldn't think of anyone

It could be wrong, it could be that she was just projecting.

But I think it's irresistible, the thoughts about it.

I don't really know what fame is because I don't consider myself famous.

I think there is a difference between being known and being famous.

I think one of my ways of dealing with it was by not admitting that it was happening.

because I think it was still too overwhelming for me.

At first, there wasn't really a lot of character on stage.

I just had paralyzing fear and horrendous stage fright.

And he would go out to sing some songs.

Walking and holding my guitar

sometimes it was almost like walking to an execution.

Usually during the first or second song that feeling diminished

And then I just sang

He was so dysfunctional in so many ways that he couldn't leave the house.

There were mornings when I was so terrified to leave the house that,

As I approached the door, my stomach knotted into a big knot.

And he began to sweat, and to feel nauseous.

If I turned around and looked at the fireplace and at my mom, she would go away.

They were panic attacks.

Every now and then it happened to me in the middle of a concert.

It was really horrible.

But the funny thing is that he could leave the stage, which he did.

And it said, excuse me, I'll be right back.

In the middle of the song, I'd come off the stage and pour cold water on my face,

And I would cry, and I would go on like this for maybe five minutes.

And he would return to the stage and resume the song,

on the same note that he had left it on.

No one ever said anything because they don't want you to be sick.

They don't want anything to be wrong so they were happy to ignore everything.

My little sister, Mimi, was absolutely wonderful to me,

and he just sat next to me.

And I knew what words to say to make it go away.

She was totally understanding.

I fought against it for years

and no one ever knew.

When I first went to the deep south,

I gave these all-white concerts , of course.

And then I found out that it was for whites only , on the contract.

Which, of course, would have caused me to make a scene about it.

Because I didn't know, nobody told me.

And then the second time, we change the contract.

You still had to recruit black people to go to the concert, but we did.

I'm sitting on the bathroom floor at Holiday Inns in Mississippi.

The only reason for this tape is that on the other side it has songs

we did at Stillman College.

And so far it was the most integrated audience.

It was great, it's really good.

There were only black and white, black and white everywhere.

And I did five songs with a gospel choir.

It is not the official school choir,

but a boy, a kind of leader, managed to bring this group together.

And then I said, do you know any songs about freedom?

I put down the guitar and said:

How about "Walking and Talking with my Mind in Freedom"?

Tuscaloosa was, of course, the headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan.

The shocking reality was that tonight I'm singing with Joan Baez.

Tomorrow I have to go to the Tuscaloosa County Courthouse

and decide whether to drink from the whites' trough

or the trough of the blacks.

We are not going to let the gas, the bombs and the crazy cops change our minds!

Civil rights veterans in the south are qualifying the situation

in Granada as one of the worst so far.

But the white residents of Granada, with the frank sympathy of the police, seem

Determined to continue their fight by hitting anyone who gets in the way.

Get out of here.

We don't need you.

One has to keep in mind that in 1964, 1965 and 1966

we were living with state sponsored terrorism .

It was illegal for a person of color to use a hotel, motel, or park.

And if there were black and white the same car, you could be arrested.

In that environment, which was hostile and dangerous, was Joan Baez.

If you are engaged in singing songs with social meaning,

you also have to commit to leading a life that supports that.

In Granada, Mississippi, Dr. King

He had asked me if I could go to prevent things from happening, until he arrived.

Cause I couldn't make it on time, ya black kids they tried

When they joined the school, they attacked them, threw stones and bricks at them.

There are many patrols on the surrounding roads.

Do you think things will be safe for children?

It's a shame that you have to resort to that.

But on the other hand, I'd rather have highway patrols than have nothing.

And it worked.

I was famous enough that they stopped throwing bricks

because the press was there.

You're not expecting anything from some white bystander, are you?

No.

Are you referring to being run over, for example?

And those of you who are integrating

the schools in this community, now join the rank

of young pioneers, breaking new ground.

I want you to know that even though you are in Grenada, Mississippi, you have friends ...

He always cried when he heard him speak.

It is so moving and so real.

So they are part of a brave company

Of freedom lovers, trying to make America the best nation

and to make the American dream come true .

When we were in small groups with me there, and he was talking,

then joked.

I was saying, yeah, I mentioned the word nonviolence a couple more times,

because I know that Sister Joan really loves hearing it.

Joan and Dr. King ... I really think it was a mutual admiration.

Most artists, protecting their careers, stayed a bit aloof

from the vanguard of our struggle.

They ask for his hot tea and his lemons and his fruit,

And all these things that you have when you perform on some stage.

She came as a member of the family.

Please, my God, go to the march, participate in the activities

and I am with you as much as possible, but do it peacefully.

Thanks.

To be realistic about non-violent action,

I have good news for you, it works quite well.

Certainly compared to the rest, it works quite well.

The only failure worse

that non-violence as a method of struggle

it has been violence, a total failure.

I had listened to the discussion between violence and non-violence at home since I was 8 years old.

When I was 16 years old, already in high school, we were going to have an air attack drill.

And the siren was going to sound, and all the children had to leave school

and go home.

I thought about staying in school, just to protest, there was no chance

that this all made sense in any way, and it didn't.

I asked my father, and he helped me figure out how long

It would take a missile to get from Moscow to Palo Alto High School.

And really the matter was not going to work, no.

Parents weren't going to have time to come and pick up their children

And take them to the bomb shelters and everything else.

I was in french class

and I started to explain to them why I was going to stay in school, it was a protest.

And they just scratched their heads, no one had thought about this.

So I guess that's where I knew I was on my way to success

at least to get people to discuss the problem.

It was published the next day in the newspapers.

And the day after that, there were the letters to the editors

about this dangerous girl in that high school.

And that I was a communist and it would be better to keep the children away from me.

It was so fast and really shocking.

I had the full support of my family, and my father was a pacifist.

He had done research for the military, and

at some point he realized that he couldn't do that.

He wanted to do the right thing and do good to people.

And my mother ended up joining a Quaker group.

And as Quakers,

the concept that nations are more important than people is questioned.

And so you don't salute the flags, and

you take the sanctity of human life , and of all life.

We take it for granted, and he became a teacher.

And they offered him good jobs on both the east coast and the west coast, and

We crossed the country in our truck with a wooden body.

I guess we were actually modern gypsies.

It is not good for children.

I think you are afraid to make friends because you know that you are going to move again,

and we did.

When I was ten years old, I lived in Baghdad.

It was dirty, and sad.

No one has seen that kind of poverty, and I mean not just racism.

It was just the British, they had nothing to do with those filthy natives.

Being brown-skinned, she was considered Arab because she looked like one of them.

Not my sisters.

This is how they started

my feelings about how people want to be treated.

Also, he had the family discussing this idea of ​​Gandhi and

this idea of ​​nonviolence.

So when I heard Dr. King speak, I think I was 16 years old,

anyway, it was around that time period,

I knew that was for me.

When she sang she sang a note above the crowd

because he had this different voice.

We knew she was a professional, and yet she was with us,

and between us, and still she was Joan Baez.

Joan Baez and Odetta

and Harry Belafonte had those special gifts from God.

And they chose to dedicate them to the emancipation of a people

and the transformation of a nation.

The March on Washington was massive.

I remember looking at the sea of people that grew, and grew,

And it grew and grew as far as you could see.

What an extraordinary gift to be there when Dr. King delivered that speech.

When we allow freedom to resound from all towns and villages, from all ...

I don't remember anyone else speaking

I guess most people probably do n't either.

When all the children of God, black and white, Jew and Gentile,

Protestants and Catholics are able to join hands

and sing the words of that old black spiritual:

"Free at last! Free at last! Thank you almighty God, we are free at last!"

When Dylan and his music came into my life,

maybe i didn't know i was looking for music.

But he was certainly aware that something was missing,

particularly when I heard what it was.

I thought, Oh my God, this is the nexus.

This is the nexus between me and the world and music and politics and all that.

I heard that music, and it was clear that that was the direction to go.

Bob came from the same tradition, the tradition of folk music.

But he was already writing his own songs.

He's a guy who's an incredibly good poet .

And she knew the strength of the songs.

When Joan started looking for material other than ballads from 100 years ago,

Dylan was there.

And he had been studying that,

he could write songs that had to do with what she was doing.

When Joan met Bob Dylan, he was kind of a stray kid.

Used to take part in skirmishes, sang in Gerde's Folk City,

I went to festivals, I don't know,

maybe he played at Cafe Wha ?, and some of the other cafes around town.

And all my maternal instincts overflowed because he was a scruffy little mess.

But there was that initial burst of talent

and its general and mystical rarity

and all this at a really young age .

No, he was already a legend when he stepped foot at Gerde's.

And she knew that he was, in addition to the mystic,

very talented, very personable, and a good guy.

And I think she was attracted to him.

I know he was attracted to her.

And the two of them were quite a force at the time.

Dylan hooked up with me and my music the way I was hooked on his.

Well, I was crazy about him.

We were a couple, and we had a lot of fun.

I always liked to sing and play with her,

I thought our voices really harmonized well.

We could sing almost anything and make it make sense.

To me, it always sounded good.

I think it sounded good to her, too.

So we started singing here and there.

And she asked me if I wanted to sing with her on some shows, just like that.

It was probably something like that.

Hey Bob, do you want to sing some gigs with me?

Well shit, I don't know.

And I said something like, I think that would be a great idea.

Yes me too.

So I have these shows coming up.

Would you like to be part of them?

Well yeah, what the fuck?

He would go out on stage, and people didn't want to hear that.

I mean, they were there to listen to their immaculate little Virgin Mary.

And then she would sing a song, and he'd come out.

And I was like Miss Dove saying , Now listen up!

It wasn't long before people understood that he was very special.

And there was this gold mine of music.

I remember the music on my records really taking a step forward.

Folk music became more important when new songs began to be written.

And laid the groundwork for it to become the component of rock and roll,

rock and roll literature, and thus made rock and roll an art form.

That song...

I was the singer, and he was the writer.

And the two of us weren't just two people.

We got to be at least three.

But we were in a bubble.

And it didn't last.

- Have you finished writing the lyrics? - No, I never finished it.

Oh God, you finished it around eight different ways.

Yes.

It is a good song.

Is beautiful.

At first, it was one thing, because I had a kind of right over him

for a while.

And later, it was something else entirely, and I was just part of the package.

It was not an easy place to be.

And there was the magnetic element of him, people just wanted to be a part of it.

And I was dumb enough to feel the same way.

American folk singer Bob Dylan seated

frowning in a hotel chair last night.

In his hands was a lily.

Bob, who arrived 90 minutes before his UK tours ...

The tour to England was hell.

There really isn't much more to say.

It was horrible, probably because everyone was high,

and I didn't understand that.

Are they from the police?

And it was really demoralizing

and I allowed him to demoralize me by not asking me to go on stage with him.

It was a very sad time.

I was just trying to deal with how crazy my career had become.

And unfortunately, she got swept up in it and I was really sorry.

I was sorry to see our relationship ended.

Very good friends on that tour told me: go home.

If you want to stay of sanity , go home.

I didn't have the brain to leave.

I couldn't leave.

And that's how people perceived it.

Bob suffered because I wanted him to be someone other than who he was.

I wanted him to be a political representative.

I wanted him to go out in public and be on our team.

And that was my problem.

If I could have accepted him for his songs, and what he did, and what he was,

but I was trying to get it into a mold.

It wasn't until years later that I realized

he didn't need me on the team, he wrote the songs.

It was the most powerful thing we had in our nonviolent arsenal.

When you really want to be nonviolent, you don't roll up your sleeves

you don't even start yelling things like fascist or fanatic, or maybe hitting someone.

When she was protesting the draft, she went to Oakland.

He went to the terminal where they were loading the boys, the recruits

to go to training, and she would tell them: You don't have to do this.

We have lawyers, we have advisers.

We can show you how to go to trial and not be a part of it.

This is a bad thing, and they spit on it, kicked it and cursed it,

insulting her in every way possible, and she kept trying,

And every now and then, I managed to get a boy off the line

and then they arrested her, and they took her to jail.

And she spent a couple of days in jail,

and then he would go out, go home, take a shower,

And he ate, and he went right back to Oakland, and he stood at the door.

She would come back and start over.

That's a kind of courage that you don't see often.

I just had the opportunity to visit my dear friend Joan Baez,

and his mother, and I decided as an expression of my appreciation

for what they are doing for the Movement for Peace,

and for what they have done for the Civil Rights Movement,

take time out of my schedule to go see them.

To visit them, and let them know that they have our absolute support.

Alameda County Rural Prison has been home to 78 protesters

uncompromising against the war since his arrest

at the Recruitment Center in Oakland last week.

Among the new prisoners is a folk singer, Joan Baez.

I learned something there.

What, Joan?

You learned?

Well, when you go to jail as a pacifist, you come out being more of a pacifist.

Was that the first time we met?

Yes, it was after you got out of jail.

It must have been ... - You had your cowboy hat.

I remember that.

Or was it before ...

the first time I remember was ... we were organizing the resistance,

and at some point someone says: you should get some money from Joan.

That's perfect.

That's right, I remember.

And I said, okay, what the hell?

Did I give you the money immediately?

Yes, you did it.

I remember saying, damn I can't deal with that woman.

AND...

then, of course, it was not.

It was fate, he led the conscription resistance movement ,

And I was who I was, and we were riding a wave in tumultuous times.

He was an attractive guy in many, many ways, and I thought that was cool,

And I fell in love with him, and we did all these things together.

I was not used to committing to anything

with no one for more than five minutes.

So this was getting quite long.

Well, I managed to get through the five minutes, that's for sure.

He got those five minutes. A few months.

And I had a wonderful time during part of it.

And part of it, for me, was learning.

When they give you a recruitment card, it is a very simple statement, I mean,

it's like a property deed,

and it says that the life of the bearer belongs to the United States of America.

David is, and was a brilliant speaker, and I loved hearing him.

I loved seeing people respond to that.

That this process occurs in the world is to say that we live in a blind society.

Yes, I think it was a war romance.

I mean without a doubt it was that, I was madly in love.

I wouldn't have done everything I did without it

and you were a beautiful woman, and you were the woman that everyone wanted,

And I had you, and that was ... Woah, hey, great!

Great, I don't care what she is like.

For a kid from Fresno, California, that was fine.

And one of the best stories about the romance between David Harris

and Joan Baez was the first time you came with me

and we stayed in the commune, she entered the house,

and we had just cut half a kilo of marijuana to distribute among many people,

and she was horrified when she saw us.

She flushed everything down the toilet.

I became very popular.

People reacted ... What ?!

That was what he did?!

I didn't realize the importance of what I had done, being a non-consumer.

It was a volatile combination.

You were a song star and I was a scruffy organizer, and ...

We made a good dance partner when you went out to talk.

Yes, absolutely, we were a great one-two.

So what we came here to do today

it is a call to brotherhood with the people who told us that we have to murder.

How do I know what will replace the nation-states?

Because it hasn't happened yet.

You and I will have to do it, we will have to do it together.

You have to make a choice, they will continue to send recruitment cards

And you're going to keep paying taxes, and on and on, and on.

Don't bother the coach, talk to him, but don't bother him, okay?

I think if everyone in America started practicing what we're talking about,

we would live in a radically different society .

I think that's what sustained our relationship.

Yes, we broke up, and we got back together, and we broke up, and we got back together.

We started a lecture tour the day we parted ways.

And I was thinking shit here I am

I have to travel across the country with my ex-girlfriend, or whatever, and then

the next day we got back together, and then we got married when we got to New York.

Instead of going on a honeymoon, they go to an anti-recruitment conference.

What kind of reception do you think they will have?

We've been on the tour for a couple of weeks and

we had all kinds of reception.

There were people who got mad, we got some young people

returned their recruitment card .

Some people began to understand what we are talking about

when we talk about non-violence.

That is one word.

We are offering brotherhood.

We say that a society based on the principle of brotherhood

It is the only hope in this world.

Mr. and Mrs. Paz in America.

The wedding of the century.

The marriage of the century.

And we had a period of about six, eight months where we really found

a certain kind of balance, just before going to jail.

I found out this morning that my appeals are over,

and I'm not going to give myself up, because I think that if someone is going to take

three years of your life, the least he can do is take you away.

It was the day of the rocket to the moon.

That morning the first rocket took off to the moon.

I just remember that I knew this would be a very unconventional arrest,

because we were going to welcome them, and we did.

I have to go.

As a group of men were sent to the moon,

my husband was sent to prison for refusing to cooperate with the recruitment.

- It will be four years. - I knew when we got married,

that he would spend time in prison.

I feel that if he and I continue to be involved in the revolution, which we will do,

We will both spend time in prison.

Goodbye Dave.

Goodbye, David.

David was in jail when Gabe was born, and I called him and said

that we had a child, this beautiful child.

I cared for him, and cared for him, and fed him,

and took him to visit his daddy in prison.

It is a much more difficult transition to get out than it is to get in.

There is a reason why all these people who go to prison end up divorced.

Be a convict and be Mrs. Paz in America,

they are very different roles, and

three months after being released from prison, we were separated.

Gabe had exactly three months of that experience, and even that was weird.

Who I was?

I had seen him only once a month for 20, 15 months.

For me, I thought she was a wonderful mother.

And somehow it was.

When Gabe grew up

little by little resentments surfaced, where was my mother?

I thought it was there.

I really thought it was there.

I did not realize, when I was reading a story to him and the phone rang,

and I'd run out and get into another gear.

He had no sense of ... That is not done.

You are reading to your child and you keep reading to your child.

And so, I mean, there are a lot of things that if I had to do it again,

of course I would do them differently.

Wouldn't we all do it?

It is much easier to be in a relationship with 10,000 people than with one.

I'm safe in my old fan cocoon , and that, in a way,

It's a substitute for whatever other life I lead

or for any serious intimacy with another person.

In Love Song to a Stranger, I wrote about what it's like to be on tour,

what it's like to be a nomad.

I was promiscuous until 20 years ago.

I guess I was holding on to that moment, knowing inside me it wouldn't last

But always thinking, well maybe this time it will last

But I think it's safer to write a song about transient relationships.

For many years, I did not have a good balance.

It was too much, I tried to protect myself or hide,

and at the same time being available to anyone and everyone.

I was invited to North Vietnam.

One of our group of four was a Vietnam veteran,

and then there was Mike Allen, a pastor,

and Telfer Taylor who was a four star general,

and he was there to find out for himself

or to see if war crimes were taking place , and I was the pacifist.

What we did was offer to deliver letters to the prisoners of war.

Well of course they wanted to impress us with the images of the B52s,

and the shrapnel, and

everything the hideous weaponry had done to the people of North Vietnam.

And then at the end of the third day we were sitting there , and we heard a siren go off,

And I thought it was a drill for sure .

And then we hear planes in the distance.

And they got close enough for us to say:

Please come down this way, and we were led to a bomb shelter.

It was like a movie, I couldn't believe what I was hearing

And the closer they got, the more it scared me.

And I could feel my nightgown flutter

and it was the air and the shaking.

That went on for 11 days.

It was the most intense aerial bombardment that took place during the entire war.

I understood that it was mortal.

Really and for the first time.

And one automatically says: Please, please, please, not me.

God suddenly becomes real to everyone, even the atheists who say,

God, please get me out of this.

Joan, can you tell us what you saw during your stay in Hanoi?

The same thing that all of us saw, it was so gruesome that it will take me

a good time to be able to assimilate it.

And when I got out of there I had mixed feelings , relief to leave and

a terrible guilt for being part of what is falling on the heads of those people.

You used the word creepy, what do you mean by that?

Murder.

Murder and massacre, blood, etc.

Children ... I'm alive and well.

I love you and the children very much.

Last year I went to the Vietnam Memorial in Washington.

I saw the wall, I wanted to put my hands on the wall.

I wanted to get inside her, I couldn't get close enough.

And then I could feel it coming and I started screaming.

I had hidden most of those things all those years

because it was beyond imagination, it was beyond feelings

I was stuck there for all these decades.

It was that deep.

I think it is true for many people that in order to do one thing,

Like politics, you will have to sacrifice music or vice versa.

I certainly know people for whom this has been the case.

For me, when I sold more albums, when more people came to my concerts,

and I was happier and I felt better, it was when I was doing both.

Everyone was going to Nashville to record at some point.

And I'm sure it was the record company's suggestion .

We worked from 3 in the afternoon until 3 in the morning.

I'm not sure who caught me The Night they Drove Old Dixie Down,

but it had been written recently.

And everyone in the studio came where we were singing

We all sing it.

People have asked me all my life, how do I choose a song?

And the real answer is that the song chooses me

because I don't know the answer to that question.

If I choose them or if they choose me, we both have very good taste.

Besides being a great singer,

she really recognizes the value of a great song.

And he has done so consistently throughout his entire career.

She chose great songs and sang them removing the stains.

My theory on songwriting is that there is a double whammy at some point.

Many songs are light and they are nice and you like them

but the ones that mean something to people come from something quite deep.

I started writing a song that had nothing to do with Dylan

And I think that's probably when Bob called.

And I think after that, Diamonds and Rust started to emerge.

It's a song that came from deep inside

And in a way that's what bridges with other people.

I love that song, Diamonds and Rust.

It must be included among what Joan has written.

I mean, it still impresses me today .

Rolling Thunder was really fun.

Bob invited me to be a part of that group of mad hatters.

It was really cute.

Bob wore flowers in his hat, and they all had scarves.

I got to see a different side of Joan on the Rolling Thunder tour.

He had seen her as this kind of immaculate lady, correct and formal

who fought for social causes.

And then when I got to meet her, she let her hair down, and it was wild and fun.

Everything was being filmed, and Dylan took the camera in his hands,

and started filming.

I filmed everything I saw, this is good, this is great, put it here.

Joanie's role in that movie was created for her to be the heroine.

I thought Joanie had always wanted to express herself that way.

I know she was completely in her element on that Rolling Thunder tour.

She contributed a lot to that tour.

It was all a lot of fun.

It didn't have to be Joan Baez, it didn't have to be responsible for anything,

and I enjoyed it.

If I had done it for a long time, I would have been scared and thought,

I should be doing something more serious than this.

I have some wonderful memories from when we were on the Rolling Thunder tour.

Ride a bus with all kinds of interesting musicians and characters.

Running around with other kids whoever it was that was there acting.

Joan Baez!

In most families, everyone had dinner at a certain time,

and everyone knew where their children were most of the time.

But I had a lot of people taking care of me, too.

My mother was out a lot , obviously

involved in some pretty intense activities.

Cambodians here have no idea who Joan Baez is,

where it comes from, or what it means to come here.

What they do know is that Vietnamese weapons are taking them out of their homeland.

There is a war 350 meters away.

Yes, I know.

Do you think people will think you are a hypocrite, seeking publicity?

Sure, I sell all my most popular records on the Cambodian border.

I mean, that's for a laugh.

People will say what they have to say to understand what

Granny Baez is to be done.

She did not give up.

She didn't say, okay, we managed to stop the Vietnam War, now I can relax

and go eat a cheeseburger .

She has a moral and ethical position in the world,

and for her, it is very clear.

There is good and there is evil,

And she can see which is which

and he knows which side she is on.

I am perfectly aware that I am happier and healthier

when I am very involved in politics.

I am aware that music plays a secondary role in my life,

and that there doesn't seem to be much I can do about it.

Except trying to be honest with the music, and keep it up.

But the true driving force and what excites me in life

It is when I am involved with other people in a project.

The center that moves her, driving her,

are your personal beliefs and philosophy,

and having a true and deep passion for human rights.

I certainly feel a sense of pride in what my mother has done.

The kind of message that she has spread around the world.

This is how I wanted to spend my life.

If I had been doing something else, and

someone will call me for a task that I really don't want to do

but I did it with little desire, that would be a sacrifice,

But that's not how it's been for me

If you see some people who are hurt and are not in our group, stay behind,

stay away from them.

There will be a second round almost certainly.

Don't get used to it, when something hits here, there is no warning.

And be together and decide what to do

in a microsecond it's going to be crucial.

Sarajevo was incredibly terrible, horrible.

It was a besieged city the likes of which he had never seen.

I'm talking about people who have been around for hundreds of days

without electricity, food, water, subsisting on their own.

People trying only to survive have been shot and killed.

I had just made the decision

to make music and stop jumping around the map.

And literally the phone rang, and it was Lionel Rosenblatt,

wondering if he would go to Sarajevo to give a concert.

And of course, I said, yes.

Joan was brave enough to come show people

in Sarajevo that someone cared.

There was a bakery where people lined up to get their daily bread,

that was the only food available.

Serbs knew they could find a crowd there

of a hundred or more people every day.

Explosion, and 22 people are killed instantly. Why, why, why?

More than 400 were injured, all are my neighbors,

And I don't sleep through the night

The next morning, I just take my tux,

my big cello, I walk down the street.

I don't know where I 'm going and what I'm doing, I just walk,

I find a good place, and I start to play.

There is strength in doing what he did.

He did it because it was essential,

He did it because it was vital, and he did it bravely.

It was an instant connection to the soul.

I can never forget

I open my eyes and it's you

Cry hard.

You don't plan on sitting in my chair.

That's just about musicians, heart to heart.

I went without any suggestions because I had nothing, politically, to do.

What I went to do was sing to the population in Sarajevo.

Being in Sarajevo, I was never really able to cope with that loss.

I don't get along with losses.

The fact is, I've never been able to fully get over the loss of my sister.

I'd like to sing you a song that I have n't sung in years and years and years.

I used to sing it with my sister Mimi.

They may or may not recognize it.

It was written by Donovan.

Mimi asked me if I thought she should be a singer

And I thought I should be honest.

And I said I didn't want it to be.

I wanted it to be something independent of me.

It wasn't what she wanted to hear, and she became a singer anyway.

About ten years ago, Mimi was diagnosed with cancer.

I knew, oh God, it's going to be a rough ride.

She was very ill.

And I was in a lot of pain.

And one day, he brought us all together, his friends and family.

And he told us: I need your permission to go ahead and die.

And then we stay with her.

My mom, Pauline and I, right there, and a lot happened.

I think I have built a life in which I do not feel alone.

The important thing, for me, is spending time with my family.

But music, particularly the songs I chose, were my best friends.

And of course, they were my therapy.

Without that, I don't know what it would be like now.

Let's go back.

This is sung really loud and then this starts off softly.

Let her sing it, until her voice stops.

And let the background voices follow, and then just stop it.

I don't want ... - In this album,

I think we were looking, maybe not consciously at first,

some kind of closure for this 50-year stretch.

And then the songs started coming.

The ones I was choosing were ones that didn't have a theme.

They only had a feeling, a kind of essence.

They were musically reduced to the point where they sounded,

in nature and in sound, like what I did 50 years ago.

There are very, very few artists who are capable of sustaining a creative career

for 50 years, able to connect decade after decade with the public.

What she does is even weirder because she has insisted on combining new material

new writers, and also draw on the sources that made her famous.

She has done it through the years, adding new material

giving life, and therefore, reinventing himself as a contemporary singer

and not only as a performer of old songs.

I've been around for a few years

saying that Joan Baez sings one of my songs almost every night.

And a handful of us who can say that, who do it for a living.

That is pretty big.

Well, I can say that you wrote a song, specifically for me.

Of the.

God is God?

God is God, it was written for you, for that session.

I had just finished it that morning when I came in and played it for you, I mean ...

I didn't know, but I'm going to brag about it.

The same thanks I got for Dylan's early music

It is the same that I have for something like God is God.

For me, because I haven't written for a long time, fill a space.

Wow!

¡Woo-hoo!

I love being on the road.

Every time a tour ends it's oh hell I wish it would go on

because we really had music together and friendship.

Love it.

One of the people in the world that I am most comfortable with is my son.

My relationship with Gabe has reached a place that probably not many will.

experiment, work with him on music.

And the people I surrounded myself with, finally, I have the appropriate ones.

It took me into my sixties to do that, to find the right ones.

When the band is good, now with Sarah, we are working as a unit.

She is very serious about what she does, but she also loves to laugh.

We had a great time together.

I no longer have stage fright, I don't have to struggle with things like that.

I go out on stage with great joy and hello everyone and I have fun.

The spirit is totally still there.

And this is all you need, to prove that life is worth living.

I mean, this is really all you need.