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I'm on the verge of solving a really important case. The key to solving it is

this man right here, Josh Rivers, a known hacker in the industry.

He wants out of the game and wants to work with us, the good guys.

Needless to say, we had to offer him safety for him to testify.

According to the new witness protection program, he is free to do whatever he

wants while in a government safe house.

It's a little price to pay to get more people to talk.

While I don't agree with the government's methods, it is my duty as a

public servant to let him free use me whenever he wants.

Uh, Mr. Ritters, excuse me.

Sir, you need to come back here. We had an agreement.

You are safe in the house that we have provided for you. So you're supposed to

provide us information.

So you need to come over here.

Thank you.

Alright, let's get to it.

Okay?

I need to start with everything that you know from the beginning.

From the beginning?

I've been... I've been hacking for my entire life.

Okay, let's go with when did you start.

You don't remember when you started?

No. It's been so long.

2011?

Okay.

And what was the first thing that you hacked?

I've heard that you've done bank accounts and websites and many things.

What was the first thing? The first thing I hacked was a small market

website.

And what happened after that?

What did you get?

What did you have for them? Did you get information?

Did you get money?

What did you get? I can't give that information out. I'm already on... How

do you expect me to help you if you don't provide the information? We gave

you this house to stay in to be that way. So you need to give me something.

You can't just, oh, yeah, I did this. And then nothing else with it. We

already know some of the stuff you did.

We need the rest of the information.

But see, if I give some of this information, then those people are going

to come after me.

Well, you're already afraid they're going to come after you.

So, I don't necessarily need to know names, but I can know companies or

amounts, things like that, that we can research the rest.

I mean, I guess I could give a small, you know, one of the smaller websites

that had me hacked for them.

Okay.

Keep it in was the name of the site.

Okay. And was it information or money or what was it that you were hacking and

trying to get from them?

I hacked their client list.

Okay.

And stole money from their accounts.

All right.

It's kind of warm in here. Where do you have the temperature at? Jeez.

Well, keep talking. Don't wait for me. My goodness. It's fine.

I can't really give any more information than that.

Okay.

Interesting. So, I have that you did some house titles. You did some fraud

with that. Like, whenabouts did that happen?

2015.

2015. Perfect.

And do you remember any of the people that you took the house titles for?

Karen, Chad.

Okay, slow down.

Does Karen have a last name?

You know I can't give that information out. That's going to put me in a

compromise. Do you know how many Karens there are in the world?

Yeah, there's a lot of Karens in the world. Can you describe Karen?

Is she tall, short, skinny,

chubby? She's like every other person you think of named Karen.

Everybody named Karen, it looks the same.

Got it.

Okay.

Looks like a Karen.

All right, how about Chad?

He had, I don't know, he had glasses. This was, this was what?

Almost 10 years ago now.

Most people don't get their eyesight back. So glasses is a good start.

Okay. He had glasses. He was chubby.

Okay.

He had a... Taller than you? Shorter than you? He was shorter than me, of

course.

He had a... He had a porno stash.

He had a porno stash. Yeah. I'm looking for a Chad with a porno stash. Yep.

It'll be great when I go to raid their houses. This is great. Do you have a

porno stash? Great, yes.

Okay, so Chad had a porno stash. Why does everybody always seem to have porn?

Like, are they not having enough sex themselves?

Everybody has stashes of porn everywhere.

Anyway, okay, so bank accounts that you had, right?

Let's say...

When you hacked into them, approximately, since you can't give me

so much information, how much money were you getting from these accounts?

Like, 10... Dollars? No, like 10, 15

million? 10, 15 million dollars?

No wonder you don't want to say anything.

Okay. And approximately how many accounts did you hack?

40? 50?

And where are you stashing all of this money?

I can't.

That's the information I can't give.

Have you used any of it?

Yeah, of course I've used some of it.

Okay, and what have you used it on?

Basic living necessities.

Sorry? Basic living necessities.

Basic living necessities is what you used it on.

So you haven't splurged on anything? You haven't used this for anything?

No, I have not used it on anything.

Alright, listen.

I really need you to talk to me here. Like, having some of this information is

really important.

And you're not providing it.

Mr. Rivers, I need you to speak to me.

I'm not 100% sure. Like I said, I'd use it on basic living necessities.

Oh my goodness.

Okay, this is getting a little out of hand.

Like you're just not providing me the information that we agreed upon for you

to have this safe house.

You're just sitting here and you're giving me half the information.

You're...

doing your own thing, almost jumping out, risking your own safety, but yet

you won't give me enough information to risk your safety. So where exactly are

you trying to go to? And by the way, what were you working on on the

computer? Because you're not allowed to have a computer.

I was playing solitaire.

Yeah, I'm not believing that story, but we'll go with it.

Do you win money on this solitaire?

Sometimes. Okay.

So now you're gambling?

No, it's not gambling. Are you hacking any of the solitaire people who are

using it to get money?

Of course not.

Really?

A hacker who doesn't continue hacking.

I find that hard to believe.

Well, believe it.

Alright, well.

Next.

Fill me in on some of this.

Let's go. You have 40 accounts and you haven't listed anybody besides Karen and

Chad for house titles.

So what kind of accounts? Business accounts?

Personal accounts?

Like what kind of accounts?

Retirement accounts?

Yeah, there's a variety of all of those.

Okay, great.

You care to list anything on any of them?

There was a Michael and a Murray.

Okay.

And what kind of money or what were you trying to get by hacking these accounts?

Access to their funds.

I need to know a little bit either about Michael or any of these other accounts.

You know, I'm really hungry.

Okay, so if I make you something to eat, will you be able to provide me more

information? I mean, it might be more inclined to provide more information.

Alright, fine.

I will make you something to eat.

Don't go anywhere.

Stay there.

We'll be back.

Please make your way in. I have your food ready.

Yes.

Yes, please have a seat.

Thank you.

What is this?

It's broccoli.

I have so much other food that I could have... It's fine. Just eat it. You look

like you need it.

I mean, you look malnourished.

So have your broccoli, please.

So broccoli is what's going to malnourish me?

I think that you should just eat. You wanted something to eat. You said you

would share more information.

And some of the information that you provided didn't add up. So now I want

you to eat so that you can continue to provide information to me that I need

for this to work.

Yeah, but when I said I'd provide information if you fed me, I wasn't

talking about broccoli.

Well, you weren't specific, so I made you some food. There's steaks, there's

chicken. It's great, but I'm not here to cook you a gourmet meal.

I'm here to provide you with some food. You wanted something better than you

should have had more better food that was easily madeable.

Please, eat.

That way I can, um, you know, continue this. Because right now it's wasting my

time.

Oh my gosh. Okay. So anyway, the information that you provided earlier

about the accounts and stuff, it just seemed that some of it didn't really add

up. So I kind of need you to really focus and make sense of it for me so

that I can continue doing my job.

Because right now you're making my job very difficult.

Please care to explain.

What information didn't add up?

All of it. You gave me information and then told me I can't give that more

information to you. You didn't provide enough information, so some of it is not

adding.

So, can't. Oh, I'm getting a phone call.

Oh, it's Officer Jake... Jesus, James.

Crap.

Okay.

Hello? Yes, Officer James?

Yeah, the, uh, oh, okay.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Um, no, I mean, I spoke to him yesterday. Do you have new information?

Um, hmm.

All right, well, let's see.

Um, yeah.

No, no, uh-huh.

Oh my Oh

Wow,

okay. Yeah. Yeah

Well, I was... Yes, sir.

Yep.

No.

Yesterday. Yesterday I was notified.

Yeah.

Um... Well... I can...

Uh-huh.

Yes. I'm listening, yes.

I hear you.

That's very useful information. Thank you.

Yes. I will definitely find out.

Yep.

Okay. Yes.

No, he's given me some information, just not a lot of it.

I mean, he's told me about some of the banks, some of the house titles, but not

enough names or anything like that.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

That was all.

Okay. Mhm.

I agree.

He likes giving it to me.

I am.

Mhm.

No.

No, I haven't done that.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I'm fine.

I don't know what you mean.

I don't know what you mean to do.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, he's not...

You know, Mr. Rivers isn't giving me enough information then.

Wait, what?

24 hours?

Before he has to be out of here?

Um, okay.

Yep, bye.

Shit.

Mr. Rivers!

Mr. Rivers, I need you to come out.

Yeah, so I just got off the phone with Officer Smith and he said because you

didn't provide us enough information that you have to be out of here in 24

hours.

I'm sorry, what?

I have nowhere to go. I just gave you all the information.

Yeah, well, per the agreement of you providing us information, that's what

the deal was. Well, if you don't provide the information,

You don't get to stay here.

But the safety.

Like, my safety is going to be at stake.

Yes, but the agreement, again, was that you provide us information.

And some of the information that you gave us is not complete. So, therefore,

unless you provide us with more information, you have to go.

Look, this is getting in the hand.

Like, I am really starting to get, like...

Irritated and... Okay.

So, you don't believe me?

Let's go over it. I mean, there's about five things here that you couldn't

provide information.

You said, I don't have enough, you know, I can't give you that, I can't whatever,

so it is what it is. And now I need you to provide that information for me.

I mean, I feel like I provided a lot of information, right?

Like... No.

Not at all.

I feel like I provided more than enough to be able to stay here.

No.

Mm-mm. What else do I need to provide? Like, what... Details.

You gave me all details.

Okay.

Um... I guess, what... What details do you need?

Pencil sounds.

Simple names.

A lot of information.

I mean, I gave you...

Five names.

Not even complete names.

Come on. Everybody knows who Chad, Michael, and Murray are, right?

Everybody knows who Chad, Michael, and Murray are, right?

No.

They're all very common names.

No.

Common they are.

They're not providing me with very much information.

At all.

Not even a little bit.

I mean, we sit here, we talked about bank accounts, the people, you know,

house titles, and you give me first name basis.

Everybody's like a Karen.

Santa wears glasses.

You didn't give me information.

I mean... I feel like I could... You're gonna end up leaving.

Hello, I'm just I'm trying to think what else I can provide you without

jeopardizing my safety But also jeopardizing not jeopardizing

my safety with the place that I have currently There's gotta be way we could

work this out no information

In order to get things, you know, the way that we want them, it has to be

given with details.

Sir, I need details.

And you're not giving me any. So, by Officer Smith's rules, you're going to

have to be out of here.

I feel like, I feel like Officer, Officer James and Officer Smith, I feel

like they're both being very, I don't know.

They're just doing too much.

You know? They're doing too much. Well, sir, you're not doing enough.

So there's obviously some information that we need and you're not providing.

So how are you expecting me to tell them, hey, Officer Smith, it's great.

You know, Josh Rivers is giving us everything we need. You're not.

So yet you expect to stay in this house, be safe, and not be kicked out in 24

hours? It's a little ridiculous, to be honest.

I think it's naive that you can't sit here, and yes, it's not safe, but how

much safer are you out there?

You're not any safer.

So why don't you give me details so that we can try to keep you safe?

I mean, I understand.

Do you?

Yeah.

I could... What else could I give you?

Yeah, what else could you give me?

Because it's not looking good.

I was going to think in the form of my safety, you know? So, like, I could give

you something smaller.

I don't know.

Start with crumbs. Give me something, because right now you're out. There was

Ryan Bull.

Ryan? Yeah, there was Ryan Bull.

And what was this Ryan?

Like, what did it have to do with bank accounts? He was a part of the Keep It

In website.

Okay.

And what else?

I have to see. What did we sell?

I helped him gain access to 10,000 clients' bank accounts.

10,000 clients?

Uh-huh.

Okay. Or 10,000 customers, I guess, essentially.

Got it.

And what else can you tell me?

Um... About this Ryan.

Like, ways that I can contact him or get some information from him since you're

not giving me a lot of details.

Uh, he lives... Last I... Last I remember, he lived in a small town in

the Midwest.

Okay. Um, it was, uh...

Any state?

Just Midwest? It doesn't really narrow it down. Again, reasons why we need more

information. Yeah, it was the Cornhusker State.

Okay.

So, I can find this Ryan in the Cornhusker State.

Well, that's where he was, but that was ten years ago. I mean, with all the

money he made, he probably could have, I don't know, ended up in, I don't know,

Brazil?

This is... Europe or... Oh my gosh. You're making my job very difficult.

I hope you know that.

I'm not trying to make your job difficult. Well, it doesn't seem like

it.

Okay.

So... Ryan, I need a couple more... I got Ryan.

But Chad, Karen, I need a few more names. I need something.

Or some of the states you did this stuff in.

Or... You know, whatever.

You're just, there's not enough. I can't go to my boss and say, hey, Karen who

looks like a Karen and Chad with glasses and he's a little shorter and he has a

porn stash. Like, he's not going to let that kind of information fly.

So I need a little bit more.

Okay, but like, even the Ryan, like... Ryan's not enough either. Great, he's

got 10,000 clients and 10 years ago he lived in the corn state.

Well, I mean, he was my client 10 years ago. I don't... I'm really trying to

help you here.

But it's... I'm not really sure how to help when you're not helping me help

you. Mm-hmm.

Um... We gotta be able to figure this out, though. I

agree. So let's help me figure this out for you.

Be really, really helpful.

Please.

That requires you.

I'm thinking what else other information I can give you.

Let's go with... Can you give me any ballpark amount of information of how

much money you've stolen in the past ten years?

How much money I've stolen in the past ten years?

Yes.

That's... That's an insane amount of money. Great. I will take a ballpark.

A hundred and...

170 mil?

180 mil?

180 mil.

Yeah, because like, not all those clients, I didn't take all the money.

Because you told me you sold 10 to 15 million from 40 different accounts.

So how did you only make 100?

Because I didn't keep all of the money.

You still took it. I said, how much did you take?

Yeah. See,

I don't know if I can believe what you're saying. It was $180, like I said.

No. That sounds like that's what you spent.

Alright, look. I'm just going to write my own report on everything that you

gave me and it's going to ultimately be their decision.

So you're saying there's a chance.

No promises.

What what's what what else what Trying

to

think of what else I could give you

There was... Faze Olive?

It was, uh, I mean... You can't, you can't miss on finding him. All you gotta

do is look up his name. There's probably only one of them in the world.

You know?

He worked for, he was one of my clients for one of the accounts.

One of the accounts that I helped get $10 million from.

I can't keep giving names. Maybe the businesses they ran.

Short and sweet, I guess.

Let me make sure I have everything.

I just... There's not a whole lot to write because you didn't give a whole

lot of information.

So, you better hope you made enough.

Alright, I took the best notes that I could.

I'll see what I can get approved for you.

But I make no promises.

And I feel like... I feel like we've... I feel like I've given you enough...

Information?

Yeah, I feel like I gave you enough information.

Well,

in the end, it doesn't come down to me, so I will let you know.

It comes down to Officer James and Officer Smith?

Yeah.

I'm not relying information to them. I'm relying information to you.

But they decide if it's enough.

You know?

I understand.

Yeah.

Just like in school, teachers, they have principals. I have a boss as well that I

have to report to, so... I can only do so much.

Some of this stuff you gave me just does not make sense.

I don't know what part of it doesn't make sense.

be looking for Chad in his porn stash and Ryan in a corn husk state to start.

Any last words or information?

I feel like I've given a ton of information.

You know, I feel like we can keep my residency

here and under your guys' protection with the information I've given.

I... Got it. Those are your last words?

I mean, I think I've given a lot of vital...

vital pieces, I guess is the best way to say it.

Okay.

I think that is all the information I'm gonna need.

I will let Officer Smith know.

And honestly, I think you might be able to stay here a little bit longer.

Thank God.

Nice job, Rivers.