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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,539 --> 00:00:07,705 � � 2 00:00:07,807 --> 00:00:11,910 This week on "VICE," the new space race to Mars. 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,881 The key to rapid innovation is competition. 4 00:00:16,983 --> 00:00:19,518 It's a really exciting time to be in space. 5 00:00:19,619 --> 00:00:22,354 Man: You have about 15 to 20 more seconds. 6 00:00:27,061 --> 00:00:30,495 And then, the legacy of the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay. 7 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:33,465 Gianna Toboni: You were the guy that was assigned 8 00:00:33,567 --> 00:00:35,200 to create this place. 9 00:00:35,302 --> 00:00:36,935 If you could say one thing to the detainees 10 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,903 who were innocent, what would you say? 11 00:00:39,005 --> 00:00:41,673 It's time for America to shut it down. 12 00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:43,275 � � 13 00:00:43,377 --> 00:00:45,110 (whistle blowing) 14 00:00:52,953 --> 00:00:54,386 (men shouting) 15 00:00:54,488 --> 00:00:56,154 Hands up! Don't shoot! 16 00:00:56,256 --> 00:00:57,589 Hands up! 17 00:01:05,132 --> 00:01:06,965 When scientists confirmed in 2015 18 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:09,067 that there's liquid water on Mars, 19 00:01:09,169 --> 00:01:11,769 it raised the possibility of actually moving human life 20 00:01:11,871 --> 00:01:13,305 to the Red Planet. 21 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:14,872 What kind of future do we want? 22 00:01:14,975 --> 00:01:16,575 Do we want a future where we are forever confined 23 00:01:16,676 --> 00:01:18,343 to one planet until some eventual extinction event, 24 00:01:18,445 --> 00:01:19,944 however far in the future that might occur? 25 00:01:20,046 --> 00:01:22,414 Or do we want to become a multi-planet species 26 00:01:22,516 --> 00:01:25,049 and then ultimately be out there among the stars? 27 00:01:25,152 --> 00:01:27,419 Today, scientists, entrepreneurs, 28 00:01:27,521 --> 00:01:30,222 and even volunteers, are racing to find ways 29 00:01:30,324 --> 00:01:33,525 to make this colonization a reality. 30 00:01:33,627 --> 00:01:37,129 � � 31 00:01:47,674 --> 00:01:50,642 Thomas Morton: I guess this is where Mars begins. 32 00:02:07,494 --> 00:02:09,060 Thank you. 33 00:02:13,933 --> 00:02:16,934 Okay. Okay. 34 00:02:17,037 --> 00:02:19,103 Morton: The Mars Desert Research Station 35 00:02:19,206 --> 00:02:21,105 is a simulated Martian habitat 36 00:02:21,208 --> 00:02:23,041 in the middle of the closest thing Earth has 37 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:25,210 to a Martian landscape-- Utah. 38 00:02:25,312 --> 00:02:27,912 (Susan Jewell talking) 39 00:02:31,751 --> 00:02:34,152 Welcome, welcome. Come on in! Hi. 40 00:02:34,254 --> 00:02:38,190 Susan: So Thomas, let me introduce you to Crew 158. 41 00:02:38,292 --> 00:02:39,357 Excellent. 42 00:02:39,459 --> 00:02:40,725 Everybody, this is Thomas. All: Hi! 43 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:42,627 Thomas, this is the crew. Hi, Thomas. 44 00:02:42,729 --> 00:02:45,197 Ilaria is our crew engineer. 45 00:02:45,299 --> 00:02:48,866 And Nicholas is the executive officer-- second in command. 46 00:02:48,968 --> 00:02:52,136 And Philippe is our health-and-safety officer 47 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:54,306 and the crew medical officer. Excellent. 48 00:02:54,408 --> 00:02:56,040 Morton: The MDRS hosts missions 49 00:02:56,142 --> 00:02:58,376 of up six weeks to see how crews like this 50 00:02:58,478 --> 00:03:00,679 will deal with the confinement they'd experience on a planet 51 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:02,480 with one third of Earth's atmosphere 52 00:03:02,583 --> 00:03:04,115 and a fraction of its temperature. 53 00:03:04,218 --> 00:03:07,752 What happens on Mars if these seals break? 54 00:03:07,854 --> 00:03:10,522 (Susan talking) 55 00:03:12,292 --> 00:03:13,858 (Cinelli talking) 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,927 Morton: The crew members go on daily excursions, 57 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:18,296 or EVAs, into the simulated Martian air 58 00:03:18,398 --> 00:03:20,798 to do things like routine maintenance on the habitat 59 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:24,102 or drills like today's simulated medical emergency 60 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:26,003 in which a crew member's pressure suit 61 00:03:26,106 --> 00:03:28,072 has perilously sprung a leak. 62 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:46,625 Well, first of all, I want to say it was a fantastic EVA. 63 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:49,694 Okay, so whose turn is it to shower today? 64 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:52,096 Woman: No one's. No one's turn to shower. 65 00:03:52,198 --> 00:03:54,165 So whose turn tomorrow? Woman: Mine. 66 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:55,767 Is there a formula or anything 67 00:03:55,869 --> 00:03:57,636 for how much food and water and everything 68 00:03:57,738 --> 00:03:59,871 you're able to take at the beginning of your mission? 69 00:03:59,973 --> 00:04:02,006 They gives us water quantity. 70 00:04:02,108 --> 00:04:04,075 Then it is up to us how to manage that. 71 00:04:04,177 --> 00:04:05,877 And the same thing for the food. Oh, okay. 72 00:04:05,979 --> 00:04:07,479 We have a fixed amount of food. 73 00:04:07,581 --> 00:04:09,748 It's all about, how do you survive 74 00:04:09,849 --> 00:04:11,349 in this extraordinary environment? 75 00:04:11,451 --> 00:04:13,017 Cinelli: Of course we have tension, 76 00:04:13,119 --> 00:04:16,588 but we have to learn as crew to overcome that. 77 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:18,956 If we are going to colonize another planet, 78 00:04:19,058 --> 00:04:22,260 we have to learn to resolve every kind of problem. 79 00:04:22,362 --> 00:04:24,529 Morton: While the effects of extreme isolation 80 00:04:24,631 --> 00:04:27,965 on group psychology is the big experiment of the MDRS, 81 00:04:28,067 --> 00:04:30,201 each of the crew members has their own experiments 82 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:32,504 to work on in their particular fields of study, 83 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:34,739 as actual astronauts would do on Mars. 84 00:04:34,841 --> 00:04:36,608 Nicholas: This is the chemical workstation. 85 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:39,277 Different soil samples as you can tell, right? 86 00:04:39,379 --> 00:04:41,212 So we got those. 87 00:04:41,315 --> 00:04:45,717 And Emi's using her feces and urine for her plants. Okay. 88 00:04:45,819 --> 00:04:47,786 Morton: Philippe Souvestre is a former test pilot 89 00:04:47,887 --> 00:04:50,021 for the French Air Force and a physician 90 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:53,425 who specializes in neurophysiology and aerospace medicine. 91 00:04:53,527 --> 00:04:56,628 "Bio photonics." Yes. 92 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:58,896 "Intranasal light therapy"? 93 00:04:58,998 --> 00:05:03,267 Yep! So this is a photonic stimulator. 94 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:06,971 Bio-photonic relates to preventative application, 95 00:05:07,073 --> 00:05:09,741 or physiological deterioration using light. 96 00:05:09,843 --> 00:05:13,511 Cool. That's very exciting. It is. 97 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,252 Susan: So now we want to relax. 98 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:23,521 We want to be centered and focused. 99 00:05:23,623 --> 00:05:25,323 Just go like this. 100 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:28,192 You know, just shake off all this energy that you have. 101 00:05:28,294 --> 00:05:32,731 I want you just to, like, get rid of all this energy. 102 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:34,866 Okay. 103 00:05:36,503 --> 00:05:40,605 All the way, and then go back a little bit. 104 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:45,109 I want you all to be very calm 105 00:05:45,211 --> 00:05:48,145 and I want you to think about 106 00:05:48,248 --> 00:05:51,949 the tension in your body. Focus on it. 107 00:05:52,051 --> 00:05:55,152 And then just let it go. 108 00:05:55,255 --> 00:05:59,023 Morton: While the Mars Society may look like glorified LARPing, 109 00:05:59,125 --> 00:06:01,092 it's actually a legitimate feeder program 110 00:06:01,194 --> 00:06:03,160 to other analogue research experiments 111 00:06:03,263 --> 00:06:05,329 run by actual space agencies, like NASA. 112 00:06:05,432 --> 00:06:09,868 NASA's current Martian mission is called the Orion Program, 113 00:06:09,969 --> 00:06:13,004 which will use the state-of-the-art Space Launch System, or SLS, 114 00:06:13,106 --> 00:06:16,107 to break free of Earth's gravity and penetrate deep space, 115 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:17,842 where Mars lives. 116 00:06:17,944 --> 00:06:20,678 Garry Lyles is the head design engineer of the SLS, 117 00:06:20,781 --> 00:06:22,914 currently being developed at the Marshall Space Flight Center 118 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:24,716 in Huntsville, Alabama. 119 00:06:24,818 --> 00:06:27,151 Does it feel like there's a new kind of energy at NASA? 120 00:06:27,253 --> 00:06:30,688 It's the busiest we have been since early shuttle. 121 00:06:30,791 --> 00:06:32,557 We're focused on a destination. 122 00:06:32,659 --> 00:06:35,627 We're going to Mars. And a Mars mission 123 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:37,695 drives a much larger vehicle 124 00:06:37,798 --> 00:06:40,031 than anything that we've ever done before. 125 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:42,400 Going into deep space takes a lot longer. 126 00:06:42,502 --> 00:06:45,369 You don't want to strap the crew into something really small. 127 00:06:45,472 --> 00:06:48,272 It's got a big living space, right? 128 00:06:48,374 --> 00:06:50,809 I've been with NASA for 40 years. 129 00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:52,777 And we now have a team that-- 130 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:54,946 it's one of the best teams I've ever worked with. 131 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:56,714 Morton: The SLS is being assembled 132 00:06:56,817 --> 00:06:58,316 at a huge warehouse in Louisiana, 133 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:00,251 where NASA built the original Saturn rockets 134 00:07:00,353 --> 00:07:02,019 that took us to the moon. 135 00:07:02,121 --> 00:07:04,322 The facility is also working on the Orion Capsule, 136 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:06,257 which will sit atop the SLS rockets 137 00:07:06,359 --> 00:07:09,861 and carry the most valuable payload of all-- human life. 138 00:07:09,963 --> 00:07:13,598 Mark Kirasich: Orion is part of NASA's human exploration program. 139 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:15,266 The pressure vessel behind me 140 00:07:15,368 --> 00:07:18,903 we built for the mission we call Exploration Mission One. 141 00:07:19,005 --> 00:07:21,773 Orion will travel farther away from the Earth 142 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:24,676 than any spacecraft has ever done before. 143 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:27,912 Our goal is to return humans beyond Earth orbit. 144 00:07:28,014 --> 00:07:29,714 And that will happen in 2021. 145 00:07:29,816 --> 00:07:32,183 Man: You're in the home of the world's 146 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:34,285 most powerful rocket built to date. 147 00:07:34,387 --> 00:07:35,954 To give you a sense of scale, 148 00:07:36,055 --> 00:07:37,989 that barrel panel's about 22' tall. 149 00:07:38,091 --> 00:07:40,792 And the hydrogen tank has got five of those things 150 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:44,328 welded from top to bottom. So it's an enormous structure. 151 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:48,199 One of the big things that's come really recently 152 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:49,801 is additive manufacturing. 153 00:07:49,903 --> 00:07:51,736 Basically print parts, right? 154 00:07:51,838 --> 00:07:55,172 We can now print high-strength metals. 155 00:07:55,274 --> 00:07:58,142 The next technology that will be inserted 156 00:07:58,244 --> 00:08:00,812 as we evolve this vehicle will be composite structures, 157 00:08:00,914 --> 00:08:05,182 carbon-lined plastics, which will take a lot of weight and cost 158 00:08:05,284 --> 00:08:08,452 out of the aluminum structures that we're building today. 159 00:08:08,555 --> 00:08:11,389 That percentage of new technology 160 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:14,659 is going to increase over time 161 00:08:14,761 --> 00:08:16,460 as we evolve this vehicle. 162 00:08:16,563 --> 00:08:19,898 And that's all going to drive the cost of this system down. 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Morton: As the vehicles that will take man to Mars 164 00:08:22,101 --> 00:08:23,535 are being tweaked and tested, 165 00:08:23,637 --> 00:08:26,004 NASA is also running human endurance tests 166 00:08:26,105 --> 00:08:29,173 a la The Mars Society, albeit with much higher tech. 167 00:08:29,275 --> 00:08:30,909 At Johnson Space Center in Houston, 168 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:33,444 home of Mission Control and the Astronaut Corp., 169 00:08:33,547 --> 00:08:35,312 they're building space-ready equipment 170 00:08:35,415 --> 00:08:37,214 to keep astronauts healthy and sane on long trips 171 00:08:37,316 --> 00:08:39,316 away from Earth's gravity. 172 00:08:39,419 --> 00:08:41,686 Stan Love: This is going to be mission control for the Orion missions. 173 00:08:41,788 --> 00:08:44,022 And they're talking about 2030s for that mission. 174 00:08:44,123 --> 00:08:46,691 That probably means 2039. 175 00:08:46,793 --> 00:08:48,459 We basically made it from, like, 176 00:08:48,562 --> 00:08:51,162 first manned flight to the moon in eight years? Yeah. 177 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:54,398 Why does stuff take longer these days? Money! 178 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:58,302 We had 4% of federal spending 179 00:08:58,404 --> 00:09:00,438 during Apollo-- 4%. 180 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:03,841 Right now, we have .4% of federal spending. 181 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:05,643 So we're getting a tenth of the money 182 00:09:05,745 --> 00:09:07,411 and we have to go a thousand times as far. 183 00:09:07,513 --> 00:09:10,882 You know, progress is not going to be super quick. 184 00:09:10,984 --> 00:09:12,951 Morton: While NASA's budget has been slashed 185 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:14,719 by every president since Nixon... 186 00:09:14,821 --> 00:09:17,088 the private sector is awash in billionaires, 187 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:20,892 all competing with each other to be the first businessman in space. 188 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:27,599 ( "2001: A Space Odyssey" theme playing) 189 00:09:42,649 --> 00:09:44,515 Richard Branson: I've always believed 190 00:09:44,618 --> 00:09:47,118 that having the best-looking planes in the world, 191 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:49,186 while not a guarantee of success, 192 00:09:49,288 --> 00:09:50,554 is a good start. 193 00:09:50,657 --> 00:09:53,324 But our new spaceship has taken that concept 194 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:55,159 to a whole new level. 195 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:57,595 And that's why I knew without a doubt 196 00:09:57,697 --> 00:10:00,231 who I was going to ask to name her-- 197 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:03,501 a man who never ceases to amaze and inspire us all. 198 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:07,739 Voice of Stephen Hawking: I have always dreamed of space flight. 199 00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:09,841 By opening up space, 200 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:13,144 we help to change the world for good. 201 00:10:13,246 --> 00:10:17,381 Please welcome Virgin Spaceship Unity. 202 00:10:17,483 --> 00:10:19,350 (pop music playing) 203 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:21,953 Richard Branson is one of the big three 204 00:10:22,055 --> 00:10:23,721 in the most recent space race, 205 00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:25,589 along with, like, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. 206 00:10:25,692 --> 00:10:27,125 He's the only one who really doesn't come 207 00:10:27,226 --> 00:10:28,893 from a tech background, though. 208 00:10:28,995 --> 00:10:31,262 He brings a certain, you know, kind of panache to it. 209 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:33,064 Throws a hell a party, at least. 210 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:38,302 Four, three, two, one! Whoa! 211 00:10:38,404 --> 00:10:41,438 Morton: Branson may be more of an impresario and showman 212 00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:43,041 than a rocket scientist. 213 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,976 But Virgin Galactic's CEO comes straight 214 00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:46,644 from the space program. 215 00:10:46,746 --> 00:10:48,846 George Whitesides was the chief of staff at NASA 216 00:10:48,948 --> 00:10:51,448 under both Bush and Obama, so he knows some rockets. 217 00:10:51,551 --> 00:10:54,552 Why'd you, uh-- why'd you jump ship for Virgin? 218 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,955 Because I felt like Virgin Galactic 219 00:10:58,058 --> 00:11:00,658 has the opportunity to fundamentally change 220 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,827 how humanity interacts with space. 221 00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:05,063 I mean, what we want to do here is, like, open up space. 222 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:08,833 Change it from something that only 500 people have done in 50 years, 223 00:11:08,935 --> 00:11:12,804 to something that hundreds and eventually thousands of people, 224 00:11:12,906 --> 00:11:15,773 and eventually tens of thousands and millions of people have done. 225 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:17,775 Do you feel like we're in, like, a new phase of-- 226 00:11:17,877 --> 00:11:20,477 of space exploration with, like, the advent 227 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:22,279 of all the private companies involved? 228 00:11:22,381 --> 00:11:24,615 I do think it is a new phase, you know? 229 00:11:24,718 --> 00:11:28,252 And I think the key to rapid innovation is competition. 230 00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:29,954 The best part of this current age 231 00:11:30,056 --> 00:11:31,555 is that there will be more competition, 232 00:11:31,657 --> 00:11:33,191 because it'll drive us all to do better. 233 00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:35,026 And, um, and that's what you're seeing now. 234 00:11:35,128 --> 00:11:37,328 You're seeing innovation all over the space sector. 235 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:39,764 It's a really exciting time to be in space. 236 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:41,866 Morton: In order to keep this excitement up 237 00:11:41,968 --> 00:11:44,102 long enough for an actual Mars mission to get underway, 238 00:11:44,204 --> 00:11:46,104 it's not enough just to inspire the engineers 239 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:47,571 and financiers of today. 240 00:11:47,673 --> 00:11:49,774 You have to target the generation 241 00:11:49,876 --> 00:11:52,910 that will actually be making the trip-- today's children. 242 00:11:53,012 --> 00:11:55,613 While everyone else is busy making all the hardware for Mars, 243 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,182 we're busy training the people that are going to go to Mars. 244 00:11:58,284 --> 00:12:00,051 Because of the first person 245 00:12:00,153 --> 00:12:02,887 who is going to set their foot on Mars is probably someone, 246 00:12:02,989 --> 00:12:04,989 you know, eight to 12 years old today. 247 00:12:05,091 --> 00:12:08,025 And those are exactly the people that are coming through space camp. 248 00:12:08,128 --> 00:12:11,162 The idea is to kind of walk dramatically. 249 00:12:11,264 --> 00:12:14,365 We're putting a Mars mission together right now 250 00:12:14,467 --> 00:12:18,502 to train citizens who want to take the private ride. 251 00:12:18,604 --> 00:12:20,671 We want to be one of the places where you come 252 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:23,040 and get certified to be a part of space travel. 253 00:12:23,143 --> 00:12:26,010 Barnhart: We've had 700,000 graduates. 254 00:12:26,112 --> 00:12:27,845 We try to crack their cosmic eggs 255 00:12:27,947 --> 00:12:30,314 to the possibilities in their own future. 256 00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:34,819 They come here and they realize, "I've got to set my journey." 257 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:37,688 And they come away completely different individuals 258 00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:39,757 after the experience. 259 00:12:39,859 --> 00:12:41,659 Okay. 260 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:44,361 Who all from SpaceX and stuff has graduated from here? 261 00:12:44,463 --> 00:12:48,099 Well, the top guy, Elon Musk, was a Space Camp graduate. 262 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:51,402 Jeff Bezos, George Whitesides, who's the chief engineer 263 00:12:51,504 --> 00:12:53,104 for Virgin Galactic, is a graduate. 264 00:12:53,206 --> 00:12:55,339 Our graduates are changing the world everywhere. 265 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:59,076 Morton: Tonight's a rocket launch here at Cape Canaveral. 266 00:12:59,179 --> 00:13:02,079 Um, the rocket and its module are both made 267 00:13:02,182 --> 00:13:04,782 by a private company called Orbital ATK. 268 00:13:04,884 --> 00:13:07,018 The launch itself is run by another private company 269 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,619 called United Launch Alliance. 270 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:10,587 Morton: An unmanned resupply mission 271 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:12,957 may not seem that impressive in the scheme of things, 272 00:13:13,059 --> 00:13:15,526 but by having the private sector take over the routine maintenance 273 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:17,394 of the space station and satellites 274 00:13:17,496 --> 00:13:19,496 and everything else NASA's looking after now, 275 00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:22,333 it frees them up to go even further into our solar system. 276 00:13:22,435 --> 00:13:25,937 Love: When low earth orbit is full of private space crafts 277 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:28,505 and tourists, we'll be on the moon. 278 00:13:28,607 --> 00:13:30,741 When the moon is full of tourists, we'll be on Mars. 279 00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:32,977 In that way, I hope we can keep pushing the boundaries 280 00:13:33,079 --> 00:13:34,879 and we can keep doing that forever. 281 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:36,981 Morton: So essentially, the small steps 282 00:13:37,083 --> 00:13:39,250 private space is now taking for profit 283 00:13:39,352 --> 00:13:43,120 will allow NASA to make even gianter leaps for mankind. 284 00:13:43,223 --> 00:13:45,622 Morton: Which launch pad is that, that it's going off of? 285 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:47,058 Do you know? Uh, 41. 286 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,093 It's right there. 287 00:13:49,195 --> 00:13:51,229 You can see that red light flashing over there. 288 00:13:51,331 --> 00:13:53,331 Those are the lightning towers. 289 00:13:53,432 --> 00:13:56,133 Okay. What do you think about Mars? 290 00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:57,401 Are you excited about Orion? 291 00:13:57,503 --> 00:13:59,036 I'm hyped for Orion. Yeah? 292 00:13:59,138 --> 00:14:01,906 They say like kids now ages, like, 10 to 15 293 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:03,807 will be the ones landing on Mars 294 00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:05,576 and going to asteroids in this time frame. 295 00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:09,646 I want to be a part of building the rocket and everything. 296 00:14:09,749 --> 00:14:13,885 Man over radio: Minus ten, nine, eight, seven, 297 00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:17,621 six, five, four, 298 00:14:17,723 --> 00:14:20,457 three, two, one. 299 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:23,261 And blast off. 300 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,096 There it goes. 301 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:27,464 Holy shit. 302 00:14:27,566 --> 00:14:30,301 � Please put your � 303 00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:33,938 � Sweet hand in mine � 304 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,574 � And float in space � 305 00:14:37,676 --> 00:14:41,745 � And drift in time � 306 00:14:41,847 --> 00:14:44,215 � All my time � � All I want in life's � 307 00:14:44,317 --> 00:14:46,951 � Until I die � � A little bit of love... � 308 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:49,954 Susan: I'd like to see humans be able to settle 309 00:14:50,056 --> 00:14:52,189 on another planet one day. 310 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:54,691 Morton: Do you think it will happen in your lifetime? 311 00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,260 I believe so. 312 00:14:56,362 --> 00:14:58,729 Because of the rapid pace of technology 313 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:02,066 and the fact that the private sector are really interested 314 00:15:02,168 --> 00:15:03,567 in taking humans off Earth. 315 00:15:03,669 --> 00:15:06,337 Now people are talking about Mars and humans to Mars. 316 00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:10,674 I think that's what excites me too. 317 00:15:10,776 --> 00:15:13,644 � Please put your � 318 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:17,281 � Sweet hand in mine � 319 00:15:17,383 --> 00:15:20,784 � And float in space � 320 00:15:20,886 --> 00:15:25,122 � And drift in time. � 321 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:29,994 The debate over what to do with the detainees 322 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,596 at Guantanamo Bay is one of the most polarizing 323 00:15:32,698 --> 00:15:35,499 political issues of the post-9/11 era. 324 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:38,169 On the one hand, President Obama argues 325 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:39,870 that keeping the camp open 326 00:15:39,973 --> 00:15:41,939 gives terrorists a powerful recruiting tool. 327 00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:43,707 And on the other hand, 328 00:15:43,809 --> 00:15:46,177 opponents in Congress argue that it's too dangerous 329 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,447 to release the inmates even if we can't convict them in court. 330 00:15:49,548 --> 00:15:51,449 But 14 years after Gitmo opened, 331 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:56,387 what happened itsndalls is only now slowly coming to light. 332 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:58,922 � � 333 00:16:02,728 --> 00:16:05,329 Gianna Toboni: Two years ago, 334 00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:08,265 we visited the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center 335 00:16:08,368 --> 00:16:09,833 to try to shed some light 336 00:16:09,935 --> 00:16:14,305 on one of the world's most notorious prisons. 337 00:16:22,748 --> 00:16:24,415 Were they all Muslim? 338 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:28,352 Toboni: After military personnel deleted parts 339 00:16:28,454 --> 00:16:30,154 of our footage each night, 340 00:16:30,256 --> 00:16:33,757 closely regulated what we could and couldn't shoot... 341 00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:37,061 (woman speaking) 342 00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:39,063 ...and avoided relevant questions... 343 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:41,499 Are you able to tell us what they're in here for? 344 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,835 ...we quickly learned that if you want learn more 345 00:16:44,937 --> 00:16:46,370 about Guantanamo Bay, 346 00:16:46,472 --> 00:16:49,273 the last place you go is Guantanamo Bay. 347 00:16:49,375 --> 00:16:50,908 But we were able to get some answers 348 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,476 from the man who actually built it-- 349 00:16:52,578 --> 00:16:55,279 Retired General Michael Lehnert. 350 00:16:57,083 --> 00:16:59,183 Toboni: So you were the guy that was assigned 351 00:16:59,285 --> 00:17:01,519 to basically create this place? 352 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:05,622 Yes, I was assigned to create Guantanamo 353 00:17:05,724 --> 00:17:07,925 and build the first 100 cells 354 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:10,661 and do all of this within 96 hours. 355 00:17:10,763 --> 00:17:14,398 We took down every non-essential fence 356 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:17,368 and essentially made 8' x 8' cages. 357 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:19,303 Yeah, it looks like a zoo, pretty much. 358 00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:21,905 It-- pretty much, yeah. It's not a pretty place. 359 00:17:22,007 --> 00:17:25,809 What was it like when the first detainees arrived? 360 00:17:25,911 --> 00:17:29,646 We flew them in on a C-17. 361 00:17:29,748 --> 00:17:33,016 We ferried a school bus with the windows blacked out 362 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,452 and the seats taken out, 363 00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:36,987 put the detainees on the school bus. 364 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:39,190 They had not had any opportunities to use facilities, 365 00:17:39,292 --> 00:17:41,092 so most of them were wearing diapers. 366 00:17:41,194 --> 00:17:43,627 It was pretty stark. 367 00:17:43,729 --> 00:17:45,662 Lehnert's voice: You have to understand-- 368 00:17:45,764 --> 00:17:48,065 these people were captured on battlefields. 369 00:17:48,167 --> 00:17:50,000 They are warriors. 370 00:17:50,103 --> 00:17:54,271 They have the capacity and the potential for violence. 371 00:17:55,941 --> 00:17:58,342 After 9/11, as a country, 372 00:17:58,444 --> 00:18:01,645 we were angry, some of us were frightened. 373 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:05,216 And we wanted our leaders to do something. 374 00:18:05,318 --> 00:18:07,151 This was something. 375 00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:09,320 And then I started looking for the documentation. 376 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:13,224 Some cases, we received pretty good documentation 377 00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:15,259 that individuals were really bad guys. 378 00:18:15,361 --> 00:18:17,694 So we had some that were the worst of the worst. 379 00:18:17,796 --> 00:18:20,931 We had others that showed up with almost no documentation whatsoever. 380 00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:23,601 And so what was that moment for you when you realized-- 381 00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:25,136 I think it was-- it wasn't a moment. 382 00:18:25,238 --> 00:18:28,038 It was just a gradual recognition that, you know, 383 00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:31,542 all of the facts weren't adding up. Yeah, it wasn't a moment. 384 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:34,545 It wasn't one of these "aha" epiphanies or anything like this. 385 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:36,447 You know, I'm not smart enough for that. 386 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:39,049 It was just simply, you know, 387 00:18:39,152 --> 00:18:41,752 putting together all of the evidence and data we had. 388 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:44,688 And saying, okay, we do have some bad people down here. 389 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:46,590 There's no doubt about that. 390 00:18:46,692 --> 00:18:49,193 But we also have a bunch of people here that shouldn't be here. 391 00:18:49,295 --> 00:18:54,265 Toboni: Of the roughly 780 detainees sent to Guantanamo Bay, 392 00:18:54,367 --> 00:18:56,367 only 30 have been charged, 393 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:58,435 and of those, only eight have been convicted. 394 00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:01,972 And two of those convictions were overturned. 395 00:19:02,074 --> 00:19:03,774 Over the last 14 years, 396 00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:06,043 the US has released hundreds of detainees 397 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:08,745 to 58 countries scattered around the globe. 398 00:19:08,847 --> 00:19:10,881 And while it's impossible to verify the facts 399 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,883 surrounding their time at Guantanamo Bay, 400 00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:14,851 we wanted to give some of these detainees 401 00:19:14,953 --> 00:19:16,920 a chance to tell their side of the story. 402 00:19:25,731 --> 00:19:27,665 (honking) 403 00:19:30,536 --> 00:19:32,503 (Toboni laughing) 404 00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:38,475 Toboni: Zakir Hasam was one of the first prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. 405 00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:40,944 After more than four years of being held without charge, 406 00:19:41,046 --> 00:19:44,315 he was sent, not to his native country of Uzbekistan, 407 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:46,584 but to a new country-- Albania. 408 00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,219 (honking) 409 00:19:48,321 --> 00:19:51,422 (Hasam speaking English) 410 00:19:52,758 --> 00:19:56,527 (honking) 411 00:19:59,398 --> 00:20:02,733 I think male drivers are crazy. 412 00:20:10,676 --> 00:20:13,043 Toboni: Zakir invited us back to his home 413 00:20:13,145 --> 00:20:16,113 where he told us his account of how an electrician from Uzbekistan 414 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,749 ended up at Guantanamo Bay. 415 00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,304 To the US? 416 00:20:51,484 --> 00:20:54,217 Toboni: The common perception is that detainees 417 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,052 were captured by US forces. 418 00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:58,121 But in reality, most of them were captured 419 00:20:58,223 --> 00:21:00,424 by Afghan and Pakistani forces 420 00:21:00,526 --> 00:21:04,461 in the midst of a controversial bounty program. 421 00:21:04,563 --> 00:21:06,963 Air-dropped flyers offered thousands of dollars 422 00:21:07,065 --> 00:21:10,567 for any suspected terrorists delivered to the Americans. 423 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:13,637 We have leaflets that are dropping 424 00:21:13,739 --> 00:21:16,607 like snowflakes. 425 00:21:18,143 --> 00:21:21,211 Not surprisingly, part of the local population 426 00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:24,214 began to turn on itself for the cash. 427 00:21:51,109 --> 00:21:53,043 Toboni: While what happens to the prisoners 428 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:55,479 inside Guantanamo is severely restricted to the press, 429 00:21:55,581 --> 00:21:58,248 in Doha, we met with an Al Jazeera journalist 430 00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:00,984 who experienced the conditions in the camp himself. 431 00:22:01,086 --> 00:22:03,387 Sami Al-Hajj was working in Pakistan 432 00:22:03,489 --> 00:22:05,456 when he says he was wrongfully detained. 433 00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:08,759 (speaking Arabic) 434 00:22:32,084 --> 00:22:34,251 (speaking English) 435 00:22:49,067 --> 00:22:51,835 Toboni: What the U.S. government didn't know 436 00:22:51,937 --> 00:22:53,871 when they detained Sami 437 00:22:53,972 --> 00:22:56,172 is that he would eventually use his standing as a journalist 438 00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:58,375 to share every detail of his mistreatment 439 00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:00,143 with a global audience. 440 00:23:33,078 --> 00:23:35,312 Toboni: Released detainees consistently claim 441 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:38,949 that guards exposed them to this kind of brutal treatment. 442 00:23:58,571 --> 00:24:00,270 Toboni: In the years since 9/11, 443 00:24:00,372 --> 00:24:02,105 we've seen what that kind of anger can lead to, 444 00:24:02,207 --> 00:24:05,075 as images of horrific mistreatment of prisoners 445 00:24:05,177 --> 00:24:09,045 in US detainment facilities have flooded the news media. 446 00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:38,375 Toboni: A controversial allegation we heard from both detainees 447 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,477 was that guards forcibly administered 448 00:24:40,579 --> 00:24:42,846 psychoactive drugs to prisoners. 449 00:24:57,062 --> 00:24:59,563 (Al-Hajj speaking) 450 00:25:11,777 --> 00:25:13,944 Toboni: Government reports have acknowledged 451 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:15,846 that certain drugs were used, 452 00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:17,848 but officials claim that they were administered 453 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:19,516 to treat mental illness. 454 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,989 Since the majority of prisoners here are held without charge, 455 00:25:26,091 --> 00:25:28,692 often the only way to protest their detention 456 00:25:28,794 --> 00:25:31,227 is by going on extended hunger strikes. 457 00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:52,816 Toboni: To prove that the way 458 00:25:52,918 --> 00:25:54,952 they force-feed detainees is humane, 459 00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:58,589 one camp official told us he voluntarily tried it himself. 460 00:26:03,328 --> 00:26:04,795 Toboni: What's it feel like 461 00:26:04,897 --> 00:26:07,097 when the Ensure is actually going down? 462 00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:36,559 Toboni: After 480 days of refusing food, 463 00:26:36,662 --> 00:26:40,097 losing 95 lbs and six years of his life, 464 00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:42,532 Sami was finally released from Guantanamo Bay 465 00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:46,169 without ever being charged with a crime. 466 00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:48,404 But there are still 80 prisoners being held 467 00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:50,373 at the facility without trial, 468 00:26:50,475 --> 00:26:52,976 many of whom have been cleared for release. 469 00:26:53,078 --> 00:26:55,646 I will close Guantanamo! I will restore... 470 00:26:55,748 --> 00:26:58,982 And while President Obama has pledged for more than eight years 471 00:26:59,084 --> 00:27:00,350 to close the facility... 472 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:04,121 Let us do what is right for America. 473 00:27:04,222 --> 00:27:07,691 Let us go ahead and close this chapter. 474 00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:10,961 ...the decision may ultimately be left to his successor. 475 00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:14,264 This morning, I watched President Obama talking about Gitmo, right? 476 00:27:14,366 --> 00:27:17,134 Guantanamo Bay, which by the way-- which by the way, 477 00:27:17,235 --> 00:27:20,403 we are keeping open-- which we are keeping open. 478 00:27:20,505 --> 00:27:26,176 Guantanamo is a very serious, I guess, symbol. 479 00:27:26,278 --> 00:27:29,379 We are in a fight against terrorism. We have to defeat it. 480 00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:31,214 We don't need to have Guantanamo 481 00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:33,083 hanging out there over our heads. 482 00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:35,552 If you could say one thing to the detainees 483 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,487 who were innocent, what would you say? 484 00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:39,589 I regret that those things happened. 485 00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:42,358 And I'm sorry that those things happened. 486 00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:45,162 And I think about Guantanamo every day. 487 00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:47,164 Toboni: So do the people who were detained there, 488 00:27:47,265 --> 00:27:49,733 as we learned from Zakir, who's now attending 489 00:27:49,835 --> 00:27:52,035 a university in Albania. 490 00:27:54,639 --> 00:27:59,076 How'd you decide to study international relations? 491 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,685 Toboni: If you could go back in time, 492 00:28:08,787 --> 00:28:11,421 would you choose to go through it all again? 493 00:28:21,399 --> 00:28:23,133 Toboni: Few people know for sure 494 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:25,168 what actually happened inside the facility, 495 00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,570 but it's clear that the prisoners we met with 496 00:28:27,672 --> 00:28:31,007 will carry their scars with them for the rest of their lives. 497 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:35,145 Lehnert: I think that as we found out more and more 498 00:28:35,247 --> 00:28:37,114 about what we set up down there, 499 00:28:37,216 --> 00:28:39,916 that it's time for America, 500 00:28:40,018 --> 00:28:43,486 as a matter of policy, to shut it down. 501 00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:49,492 � � 55532

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