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¶ ¶
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This week on "VICE":
Young people are rising
up in the West Bank.
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(speaking Arabic)
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(explosions)
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This is the kind of thing
that really pisses off
the Israeli soldiers,
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and now they've started
to shoot back live bullets.
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And then, the underground
cultural revolution in Cuba.
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Relations are normalizing
because all the young
people in Cuba
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are seeing how it is to live
in the rest of the world.
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(speaking in Spanish)
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(theme music playing)
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(gunshot)
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Crowd (chanting):
Hands up! Don't shoot!
Hands up!
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The effort to broker peace
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between Israel
and the Palestinian people
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has been going on for decades,
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and it has failed at almost every step.
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Now, that hopelessness has given fuel
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to a new uprising
in the West Bank.
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(indistinct chattering)
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Every single day for weeks now
Palestinians have been
coming here
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and clashing with
Israeli soldiers.
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(tires screeching)
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(indistinct shouting)
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(speaking in English)
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(sirens blaring)
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Shihab-Eldin:
All across Palestine,
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the youth are taking to the streets to protest
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the current state of affairs in the occupied West Bank.
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We're in the heart of Hebron,
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which is,
for many Palestinians,
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the most extreme example
(explosion)
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of what life is like.
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This is the front line between
them and the Israeli soldiers
who've been firing tear gas.
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They're rolling tires across
the street with cardboard
in it burning.
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This is the kind of thing
that really pisses off
the Israeli soldiers,
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and now they've started
to shoot back live bullets.
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(gunshots)
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(indistinct shouting)
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For decades, the conflict here has been stuck
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in the same cycle of bloody violence...
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...with near-constant casualties on both sides.
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But what we found in our time in the West Bank,
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is today, the youth arethe ones leading the uprising.
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And just like the young people behind the Arab Spring,
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these kids say that their own government is a big part of the problem.
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(speaking in Arabic)
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Shihab-Eldin:
The protests we saw
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were sparked completely by the youth.
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Even the volunteer medicsthat were treating the injuredwere kids.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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Shihab-Eldin:
As the casualties poured in,
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we talked to the protesters on the ground
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about why they are risking their lives.
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(speaking foreign language)
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Shihab-Eldin:
The losses here have continued,
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whether it's from Israeli bullets or Palestinian attacks.
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And with no leader guiding the uprising,
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the situation is only intensifying on the ground.
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We spoke with Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi,
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an expert onthe Israel-Palestine conflict.
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What makes
this uprising different
than previous uprisings?
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First is the failure
of the Palestinian leadership
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to do anything to relievethe sense of despair
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that Palestinianshave been feelingin the occupied territories
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since the occupation began.
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The prospects
for young Palestinians
are extraordinarily limited.
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No horizon, no future.
Things are much worse today
after Oslo.
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Shihab-Eldin:
In 1993, the Oslo Accords were supposed to begin
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a path towards peace, and established an interim government
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in the West Bank knownas the Palestinian Authority.
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What was the expectation
of the Palestinian Authority?
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That this was the embryo
of a Palestinian state.
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The Oslo agreement was
supposed to accomplish
a continued negotiation.
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The hope was that it would
lead to a two-state solution,
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and the Palestinians could
have some arrangement
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for autonomy
or self-government
within that.
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Unfortunately, it's deluding
very few people in Palestine
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and a lot of people outside
into thinking the Palestinians
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are well on the way
to statehood. They're not.
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They've moved away
from self-determination
since Oslo.
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So, in a sense, the Palestinian Authority itself is an illusion?
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It is.
It's a cardboard facade
behind which nothing exists.
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Shihab-Eldin:
There haven't been any presidential elections
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in more than ten years,
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since President Mahmoud Abbascame to power.
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And with polls showing that nearly 70%
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of the population wanting him out of office,
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the anger on the streets is palpable.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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Shihab-Eldin:
Just down the street
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from Mahmoud Abbas' presidential palace,
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we found a group of protesterscalling for him to step down.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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Shihab-Eldin:
A lot of the Palestinian youth tell us
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that they see
the Palestinian Authority
as a symbol of the occupation.
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Why would they
be saying that?
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Well, the aspect of
the Palestinian Authority
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that's most unacceptable
to Palestinians
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is its security
cooperation with Israel.
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Shihab-Eldin:
That's because under the Oslo Agreements
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the Palestinian Authority security forces are charged with maintaining the peace,
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which includes suppressing protests.
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But it's what the PA can't dothat's angeringthe Palestinians,
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which is their inability to stop Israelis
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from creating new settlementsin the occupied West Bank.
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What has happened since 1967
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is the establishment of
communities of Israelis inside
the occupied territories.
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Every place that a settlergoes, the military goes.
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Every place the military goes,restrictions against
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the native population,
the Palestinians, follow.
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This is why settlements
are such an enormous factor
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in the West Bank
and occupied East Jerusalem.
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Shihab-Eldin:
We met up with Daniel Luria, the head of an organization
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that helps move JewishIsraelis into East Jerusalem,
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reclaiming land they say is theirs by divine right.
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I'm gonna take you now
to a predominantly
Arab neighborhood.
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And about 12 years ago,
Jews started to return
to the old village.
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(speaking in English)
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Okay. Good to know.
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So you're
carrying a gun?
Yeah.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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What's he saying?
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Um, he says
all of this is a lie,
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and you are robbers.
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This is everything here.
This is the center of it.
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Whose land is this?
Right.
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Whose land is Jerusalem?
Whose land is Israel?
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Why can't it be
both people's land?
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It can't be.
Why not?
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It doesn't work.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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You can tell that this
is as tense as it gets.
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Come, come, come!
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Before 1948, this used to be
an old synagogue.
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That's correct.
And now...
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It's been returned. Correct.
It's been returned.
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So, last week there
were families living here.
Correct.
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And they were
the ones who were...
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And those were illegally
squatting in an old synagogue.
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For 77 years,
they were living here.
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In a synagogue.
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Shihab-Eldin:
Reconstruction started here immediately,
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but this isn't the onlynew settlement on this block.
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We met a couple just as they moved in down the street.
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So, when do you move in?
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(speaking foreign language)
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Straight away.
It's their honeymoon.
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He just got married,
he's moving in now.
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Shihab-Eldin:
But as settlers were moving into one house,
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we met a Palestinian family that was being evicted from theirs.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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Shihab-Eldin:
As both sides maintain claims to the land,
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the Israeli settler populationhas increased dramatically.
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The settler population has
tripled in the last 25 years.
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There were a couplehundred thousand afterabout 25 years of occupation.
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There are another 400,000
for a total of 600,000 today.
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Shihab-Eldin:
The Palestinians see
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these settlements as a provocation.
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But when they clash with settlers,
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Israel escalates its securitymeasures across the region.
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Nowhere is this more pronounced than the city of Hebron.
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So, right now we're crossing
through one of the checkpoints
in Hebron.
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Security is so tight here, the city's been divided into sections,
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with the majority of Palestinians living in an area called H1,
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and the Israeli settlers living in H2, which is where we were.
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All of the shops are closed.
There's absolutely no one
in the streets.
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It feels like a ghost town.
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This street we're walking on has been off-limits to Palestinians
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for years by order of the Israeli military.
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Right over there is
a Palestinian cemetery.
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If you look,
all of the tombstones
are written in Arabic.
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It's literally two feet away
from a street where
Palestinians can't come.
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And even on the Palestinian side back in H1,
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we could see how rigid this divide was.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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Shihab-Eldin:
As more and more kids grow up
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under the rules of this agreement,
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it will only feed into more violence and a furthering divide.
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Dr. Hanan Ashrawi was involvedin the early negotiations
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of the Middle East peace process,
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and a former member of the Palestinian Authority.
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Young Palestinians
taking to the streets
and throwing rocks
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say they're
not just disillusioned
by the occupation,
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they tell us
they're disillusioned
by their own government.
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The Palestinian Authority
is part of the occupation.
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We're not surprised
that the young people
are disillusioned,
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and they are angry.
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They're sending a clear message to the world.
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The peace agenda,
the negotiated settlement,
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the two-state solution
has not worked.
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The leadership
could not deliver.
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It seems like
there's a bigger
and bigger disconnect.
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There is a wide gap, yes.
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These perceptions
are cumulative.
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If you allow
your system to atrophy,
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your leadership
to become geriatric,
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then of course you're going to have a situation of total discontent and anger.
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The only way forward
is through elections.
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We need elections,
we need a new leadership,
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and we need the youth
to be part of this.
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Shihab-Eldin:
Until that happens, the youthseem to only gain more resolve
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in their anger towards both the occupation and their own government.
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(speaking foreign language)
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(sirens blaring)
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America and Cuba
have been adversaries
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since Fidel Castro's
Communist revolution in 1959.
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But this month President Obama
has made history
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by becoming the first
sitting US president to visit
the country in 88 years.
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We're focused on the future.
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And I'm absolutely confident
that if we stay on this course
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we can deliver a better
and brighter future
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for both the Cuban people
and the American people.
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So, muchas gracias.
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It's part of the so-called
"Obama Doctrine,"
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which is
the president's policy
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of re-engaging with traditional enemies.
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And we've been following
the process with Cuba
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since last year at the 2015
Summit of the Americas.
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(sirens blaring)
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Smith:
We're here in Panama City
at the Summit of the Americas.
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And it's a historic summit
because for the first time
since Eisenhower,
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the head of state of Cuba,
Raúl Castro,
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and the head of state
of America, President Obama,
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are gonna actually meet
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for the purpose of
normalizing relations.
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Point is,
the United States will not
be imprisoned by the past.
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We're looking to the future
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and to policies that improve
the lives of the Cuban people
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and advance
the interests of cooperation
in the hemisphere.
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Smith:
Now these statements both represented
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a sea-change in relations between the US and Cuba.
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The Obama Doctrine is this administration's foreign policy shift,
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which now engages in dialogue and treaties
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with countries like Iran and Cuba
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that have long been consideredour enemies.
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But this decision in particular
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marks a huge leap forward in our relations.
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Now, that's becauseat the height of the Cold War,
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the Soviet Union deployed nuclear missiles to Cuba
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as a strategic check against American power.
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This triggered the Cuban missile crisis,
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which brought the US and the Soviet Union
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to the brink of all-out nuclear war.
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But even though the crisis ended,
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the US tightened its economic embargo on Cuba,
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and travel between the two was totally cut off,
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thereby isolating the Cuban people for more than half a century.
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Now, to gauge the attitude within the Cuban government today,
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we spoke with Abel Prieto,
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a former minister of culture and a close Castro aide.
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For our audience,
which is mostly young people,
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there's a fascination
with Cuba.
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I was wondering
if you could talk a little bit
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about the cultural aspects
of what's happening in Cuba.
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(speaking in Spanish)
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We would love to.
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Smith:
So we accepted his invitation
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to see what's actually happening on the ground in Cuba.
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Because we had heard that the country's large youth population
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was playing a big part in forcing the regime to change its policies.
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And ground zero for this social movement
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is Alamar, Cuba's largest housing project,
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which is a hotbed for political dissent.
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Edgaro Gonzalez grew up in Alamar
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and explained to me just how music had bridged the divide
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between Cuba and America.
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So, I grew up in this.
Like, every day, all day,
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all we did all day was
listen to hip-hop all day.
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Smith:
And how did you learn
how to speak English?
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I listened to Biggie
every day.
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Yeah.
You know?
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This was my house.
Okay.
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I had the only entrance
to the rooftop over there.
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You know, you just
went up to the rooftop
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and tried to get
some signal from Key West.
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Smith:
Though Cuba has been cut offpolitically for over 50 years,
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their close geographic proximity has actually allowed
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for music to be shared over the radio.
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And you just, you know,
move the antenna around.
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So, you kinda put it up
to try to get a signal?
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Yeah, try to get a signal.
From Florida.
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Yeah, right there.
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So, what effect did that
have on the young people
who live here in Alamar?
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Whoa. You know,
they be kind of
letting love for hip-hop.
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Everybody knew every
character of the Wu-Tang Clan.
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People love American culture.
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(speaking in Spanish)
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When we were starting doing
hip-hop, it got really popular
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the government started
realizing and said, "Yo,
we gotta shut this down."
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And so Reggaeton now
would be the most popular
in Alamar?
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Smith:
Now the reason why
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the government would want to control the music scene
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is that for decades it was policy here
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to denounce all things American.
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(speaking Spanish)
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Now, although this seems likeold Cold War rhetoric,
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the regime is still putting this out today,
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as we saw firsthand atthe Museum of the Revolution.
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We got the cowboy.
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We got the Caesar.
Is that Caesar?
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Bush Jr.
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(speaking Spanish)
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So they're saying thank you
for being such a bad guy
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that we then
have a revolution.
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So, it goes from
Batista to Reagan.
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What does it say
about Reagan?
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Smith:
But what we found out was
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that the bridge betweencultures couldn't be stopped.
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And the government was speaking one way,
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and the people another.
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We're here in the barrio
in Havana with the biggest
Reggaeton star.
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And we're gonna interview him
and talk about Reggaeton
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and how that's pushed all
of these changes even further
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'cause the government tried
to stop it, but they couldn't
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because everyone
needs their dance hall.
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(cheering)
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(singing in Spanish)
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Smith:
The music made in this tiny studio goes all over Cuba.
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Baby Lores explained to me the importance it's had
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in bridging the divide betweenAmerica and the Cuban people.
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(singing continues)
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(speaking in Spanish)
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Smith:
How does your music
get out to so many people?
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Smith:
The paquete has spreadReggaeton across the country
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and evolved into kind of a canned Internet
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with hand-delivered hard drives packed with pirated music,
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videos, and TV shows
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that had not been accessible to Cubans before.
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But since traditionally as fewas four percent of Cubans
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actually have Internet access at home,
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the hackers who make the paquetes
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have to steal Internet accessat tourist hotels
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to get the material that their customers want.
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How are you?
Nice to meet you.
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A leading hacker named Danny showed us how he does it.
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Smith:
How often do you download
from hotels like this?
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How much, average cost?
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The smuggled equipment in this small room
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sends pieces of the Internet all across Cuba.
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So you have to get
all of this equipment from--
Where does it come from?
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So you can get
any series you want
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and give it
to anyone in Cuba?
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(HBO audio logo plays)
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Smith on TV:
This week on "VICE":
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The future of recreational drugs.
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He's got our show.
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How many people do you think
in Cuba get a paquete
every week?
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(phone rings)
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So we're getting
a call in right now.
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We saw a hacker who's
downloading all the shows,
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all the Internet,
putting it into drives,
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giving it to his runners.
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It goes out all weekend,
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which is one of the real
reasons why relations
are normalizing.
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Because all the young
people in Cuba
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are seeing how it is to live
in the rest of the world.
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So while it's been an underground cultural revolution
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that's moved the Cuban people ever closer to their American neighbors,
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on our side, it's been drivenby our political leaders.
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So we spoke to Ben Rhodes,
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the deputy national security advisor
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and one of the architects of the Obama Doctrine, about this political shift.
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In the policy changes
the president announced,
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in addition to
the normalization
in diplomatic relations,
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we basically are facilitating
any type of travel that can
be permitted
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under a general license,
which will make it
much easier.
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But we also authorized
certain commercial activity.
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And telecommunications
is the most liberal.
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We're opening the door for UScompanies to help developinfrastructure in Cuba.
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You'll start to see
an opening, in certainly
the economic space.
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You see Airbnb seekingto get into Cuba.
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You see the NBAand Major League Baseballlooking to go down there.
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Essentially, a flood
of interaction between
Americans and Cubans
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that hasn't taken place
in over 50 years.
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Is this part of this new
unfolding Obama Doctrine?
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Absolutely, it is.
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And the president's view
is we don't lose anything
through engagement.
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We can break out of the past,
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but that doesn't mean we have
to compromise our values.
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People say, "While you're
making this change,
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"you're putting aside
the things that America
cares about."
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Well no, we actually think
this is a better way
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to stand up for the things
America cares about.
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Smith:
The Obama Doctrinehas caused a lot of pushback
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not only on Iran, but Cuba as well.
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And now it's become a debate that's cut across partisan lines.
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And at least two of the presidential candidates have publicly stated
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a desire to unwind these developments.
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This is throwing an economic
lifeline to the Castros
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at a moment when their regime
was vulnerable
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and it was a serious mistake.
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We somehow ignore the fact
that 90 miles from our shores
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is an anti-American
Communist dictatorship
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that oppresses its people
and sows instability.
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Smith:
We spoke to Josefina Vidal,
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Cuba's top negotiator in dealings with the US,
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about the shifting relationship between Havana and Washington.
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On the Cuban side is anyone
thinking that okay, Obama
is obviously pushing
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to normalize
relations with Cuba.
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But as of today, Rubio from
Florida, Cruz from Texas,
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would probably try to push
back the advances that Obama
and your government have made.
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Do you think about that?
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The changes
and the announcements
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have been made
through executive decisions.
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The next American president
can undo through the same
ways, means,
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what has been done so far.
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But I don't think it will
be easy to do that.
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Because this is good, not only
for our both countries,
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but also for the region
and for the whole world.
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And I see having
a respectful relationship
that can enrich Cuba
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and that can
enrich the Americans too.
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Smith:
So what President Obama's visit marks
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is a step where two traditional enemies
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are for the first time starting a dialogue.
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If you look at the Iran deal,
the Cuba policy,
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these are seen as these
hugely controversial things,
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but Americans
generally support them.
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Sure.
Washington doesn't.
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For whatever reason,
it's easier to bomb
another country
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than it is to sometimes
engage a certain country.
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If this is really abouthelping the Cuban people,
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97% of the Cuban peoplesupport normalizationwith the United States.
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What will beinteresting to watch
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is how the interactionwith the United States
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and the interconnection
with the rest of the world
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helps normalize, not just
the relationship between
the United States and Cuba,
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but Cuba's own position in
the hemisphere and the world.
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