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This week on "Vice,"
Thomas heads to Indonesia,
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where they think smoking doesn't
cause cancer, it cures it.
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And I travel
from New York to Mexico,
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where an addict tries to kick the
most addictive drug in the world
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by using the scariest
drug in the world.
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I just want to be
happy, you know.
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I just want to wake
up in the morning
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and, you know,
not want to fucking
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blow my brains out every day.
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That would be nice.
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The world is changing.
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Now, no one knows
where it's going,
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but we'll be there
uncovering the news...
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This is World War III.
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culture, and politics
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that expose the absurdity
of the modern condition.
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That little child
has a huge gun.
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This scene isn't really kosher
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by American standards.
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I was interviewing suicide
bombers, and they were kids.
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This is the world
through our eyes.
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We win or we die!
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This is
the world of "Vice."
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Sync & corrections by honeybunny
www.addic7ed.com
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Hi. I'm Shane Smith
and we're here in
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the "Vice" offices of
Brooklyn, New York.
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For our first story this week,
we go to Indonesia.
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Lucy.
Yes, dear.
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Get me a cigarette,
will you, hon?
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Don't say cigarette. Say Philip Morris.
Oh?
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Before we
woke up to the fact
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that smoking is actually
very, very bad for us,
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it used to be everywhere--
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movies, TV, advertising,
even doctors' offices.
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Everybody smoked.
Then landmark legislation
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made it much harder
to promote cigarettes here,
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and as a result, tobacco use
is on the decline.
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But there are still
places in the world
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where no such legislation
was enacted,
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and as such, smoking has been
left to evolve on its own,
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completely unchecked.
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So, we sent Thomas Morton
to Indonesia
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to see what happens to a country
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that refuses to regulate
its tobacco.
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It's Thomas. I'm in a
clinic in Indonesia.
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I'm being cured
of my acne by smoking
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and having something
sucked out of my ear.
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This is also good for cancer.
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Curing cancer, not causing it.
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While smoking's been
on steady decline in the West
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from close to half of all adults
to 1/5
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in the course of 40 years,
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the East still loves
their cigarettes.
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In 2005, Philip Morris
bought Sampoerna Cigarettes,
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the third-largest cigarette
maker in Indonesia,
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for $5 billion.
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Why spend that much money
on a runner-up tobacco company
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in a country on the opposite
side of the Earth?
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Simple--because Indonesia
is a smoker's paradise.
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2/3 of Indonesian men smoke,
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this in a country of
a quarter-billion people.
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And not only does
everyone here smoke,
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it's also home to the biggest
tobacco industry in Asia,
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so cornering the market is just
a simple matter of buying in.
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Roy Anise was senior
vice president of Philip Morris
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during Big Tobacco's
darkest hour,
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during the eighties
and nineties.
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It was a difficult period.
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When the lawsuits came,
restrictions came,
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taxation came, it was difficult
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for the company to really
internalize because
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it was a legal product, it was
recognized as having harm,
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but yet it was considered
to be acceptable.
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It started to become
denormalized,
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and then demonized,
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and it moved much
quicker than I think
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than many people
had anticipated.
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It just changed the game.
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It needed to become more
creative in a different way.
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Unlike in the United
States, where cigarettes
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had been declining since
the early 1980s,
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in many other parts of the
world, cigarettes were growing
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and growing quite well for
Philip Morris International,
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and continue to do so.
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Despite having some of the
lowest cigarette taxes in the world,
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the average Indonesian household
spends more money on smokes
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than anything else but rice.
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It's a boom town for tobacco.
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Tulus Abadi heads the National
Commission for Tobacco Control.
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He's one of the only guys
in the Indo government
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fighting against smoking.
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How big is the problem?
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How many Indonesians smoke?
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When this video of
Indonesia's famous baby smoker
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hit YouTube,
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most Westerners were aghast,
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but Indonesians just shrugged.
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By the time they're 16, one
out of every 4 Indo teenagers
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is a regular smoker.
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Half if you just count the guys.
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The average
pack of cigarettes
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costs less than a dollar here,
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and you can pick up loosies
for a few cents.
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So, most kids can afford them
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on their milk money allowance,
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like our 9-year-old buddy Rifki.
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So, uh, Rifki's picking up
his morning pack of cigarettes,
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and then we're off to school.
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Do you think
you'll ever be able
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to get Rifki to quit smoking?
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Why do you think
Rifki started smoking?
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Like, who do you think
is to blame for that?
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After school let out,
Rifki and his pals
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took us to their neighborhood
smoking spot,
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the old Chinese graveyard.
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Just take a right at the
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cigarette-sponsored
badminton court.
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So, this is the--
this is the cool kids' spot.
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So, what's up, guys?
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This is a real
all-ages group.
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This is like, kind of like
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the cast of, like, Indonesian
"Little Rascals" here.
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How long have you smoked?
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What do you like about smoking?
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Do grownups here
care if you smoke?
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This scene isn't, uh,
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really kosher by
American standards,
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but a number of
adults have walked by
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and a couple of them have
kind of, like, clucked,
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but nobody's--nobody's
ringing the alarms.
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While smoking is firmly
entrenched with Indonesian males,
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only about 5% of girls
have picked up the habit.
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Oliva here is 12 and has been
smoking since she was 9.
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Why did
you start smoking?
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What--what do you
like about smoking?
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Do--do girls typically
like boys who smoke?
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Smoking's manly image
is reinforced by
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pervasive advertising.
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American banned cigarette ads
on TV and radio in 1971.
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No, you don't
see many wild stallions anymore.
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Come to Marlboro Country.
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Indonesia not only still
advertises on TV and radio,
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they advertise it everywhere.
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You see cigarette ads
on every street corner,
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on playground basketball courts,
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on posters for major concerts
and sporting events.
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They even sponsor schools,
like the Sampoerna Academy,
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named after the same family
that sold Sampoerna Cigarettes
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to Philip Morris.
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It's as if we had a school
called Marlboro Prep.
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We've seen Marlboro-branded
baby clothes and toys.
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Chris Bostic
is deputy director
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of Action on Smoking and Health,
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one of the biggest anti-smoking
lobbyist groups in the U.S.
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They can target children
and use cartoons.
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I mean, target children
in ways that would be
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unstomachable here anymore.
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How hard is it to,
like, fight tobacco use?
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The government's
kid glove approach makes sense
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when you consider tobacco here is
a $100 billion a year industry
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and is the second-largest
employer in the country.
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They're basically too scared of
disrupting their revenue stream
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to rock the boat,
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which makes the country
a play place
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for foreign tobacco companies,
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especially ones used to the
anti-smoking atmosphere of the West.
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In the late eighties,
early nineties,
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the United States was involved
in several lawsuits
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against particularly
Asian countries
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uh, about market access
for big tobacco firms
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like Philip Morris,
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and won all of them.
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Philip Morris buying Sampoerna
in 2005
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was a bit of a game changer.
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Now as a foreign investor,
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Philip Morris can tap
all those trade treaties.
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So, even if Indonesia did want
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to suddenly move forward
on tobacco control,
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they would face
all the litigation
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under every treaty that
Indonesia is involved in.
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It must be
extraordinarily frustrating
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trying to do this.
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Like, how do you feel
about the work you do?
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So, not only do Indonesians
think smoking's, like, OK,
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a lot of them actually
think it's good for you.
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People here believe
smoking cures toothaches,
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clove tobacco cigarettes
are good for your breath,
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hookah water's an antiseptic.
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And on top of all that,
they have clinics that treat
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smoking-related illnesses
with smoking.
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This clinic practices
a New-Agey sort of therapy
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called balur, which uses
clove cigarettes
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to cure a whole host
of diseases.
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Dr. Soebagio opened it in 2007
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and has so far treated
over 30,000 patients.
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Is it OK? It's all right?
Oh, yes.
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Oh, thank you. Cool.
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What are these
fancy cigarettes?
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Is it all types of cancer or is
it just, like, specific ones?
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No. All the cancer.
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The clinic makes their
own brand of cigarettes.
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These Divine Kreteks are made
from tobacco and cloves
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and have a special filter
soaked in
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some sort of amino acid broth,
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which supposedly sops up all the
free radicals in your bodies,
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which supposedly is what's
causing all that cancer.
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So, this is the prep room
for my balur treatment,
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which is basically
they rub stuff on you
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to open up your pores,
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and that breaks up
the free radicals
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that are collecting
in your cells.
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At some point,
the tobacco comes in
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and sucks it out
and makes you healthy.
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OK. Um, so this is--
what am I signing?
265
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I guess I've signed it
so it doesn't matter.
266
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Ha ha! Yeah.
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I was never really big
on Eastern medicine, but
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so far, this beats my
usual doctor's visit.
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OK.
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Ahh.
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The traditional
part of balur is pretty much
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just a vigorous full-body rub
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with Tylenol, red onions,
and a few other household goods.
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This clinic's balur, however,
adds a few steps,
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like basting your skin and pores
with divine cigarette smoke.
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Then a second rubdown, this time
with scalding hot water
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mixed with urea, the same urea
that's in our urine.
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This is so painful.
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Hello.
Heh.
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So, so, what is
happening right now?
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_
282
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283
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OK.
Thank you.
284
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Thank you, doctor.
Yeah.
285
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While I was doing balur
to try to clear up
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my embarrassing
late-twenties acne,
287
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the other patients
in the clinic were there
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for far graver illnesses.
289
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So, what are-- what are
you being treated--
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Hodkin.
Oh, Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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Do you do--do you do
any other treatment?
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Do you do, like,
chemotherapy or radiation?
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Can I ask you,
are you a smoker?
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Um, do you have
any problems with,
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with people who are
critics of balur?
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300
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301
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302
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All the free radical
talk and baked potato foil wraps
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were already major red flags
for pseudo-scientific hokum,
304
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but throwing miracles
into the works
305
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really piqued my skepticism.
306
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So, we asked a radiologist on one
of Jakarta's biggest cancer wards
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to explain how legit
this business really is.
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Does this hold up
against medical science?
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_
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311
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312
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313
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Even though it's not
medically recognized or sound,
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the poor and gullible
still flock to these clinics.
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What--what happened
with your son?
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318
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319
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320
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321
00:14:01,077 --> 00:14:05,124
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322
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323
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324
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325
00:14:16,331 --> 00:14:18,399
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326
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327
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328
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Despite
the astronomical cost,
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both on healthcare
and individual lives,
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it's unlikely that any effort
is gonna get
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2/3 of Indonesian guys
to quit smoking.
332
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The only real way
to break the cycle
333
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is to keep the next generation
from starting.
334
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As bad as it is now, they're actually at
the beginning of their epidemic curve,
335
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because it has one of the largest
youth populations in the world,
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and most people start smoking
when they're youths.
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So, you got a combination
of a large youth population,
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absolutely no regulations
on advertising,
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including advertising to youth,
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and a growing per capita income.
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That is a recipe
for a massive increase
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in the number of smokers
in the next generation.
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If you go back in time and try to find a
tobacco company that has gone bankrupt,
344
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you'd be hard pressed
to find one.
345
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It's a business that's gonna
continue to be successful
346
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for decades.
347
00:15:23,589 --> 00:15:25,757
Heroin is bad.
348
00:15:25,791 --> 00:15:27,826
In fact, it's so fucking bad
349
00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:29,194
that once you get hooked on it,
350
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you basically only
have 3 options.
351
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One, you can quit, which is
almost impossible,
352
00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:37,736
as evidenced by
the over 90% relapse rate;
353
00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:41,040
two, you can take so-called
replacement therapy drugs
354
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like methadone, that are
just as addictive;
355
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or 3, you can die.
356
00:15:45,779 --> 00:15:47,813
And as such, hardcore addicts
will do
357
00:15:47,848 --> 00:15:49,615
almost anything
they can to quit.
358
00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:52,084
But with so few options
that are actually viable,
359
00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:55,487
they started turning toward
more obscure and extreme cures.
360
00:15:55,521 --> 00:15:58,657
One particular method uses
super-powerful hallucinogens
361
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that shock the body so much
that it actually interrupts
362
00:16:01,661 --> 00:16:03,028
the addiction to heroin.
363
00:16:07,455 --> 00:16:14,522
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364
00:16:19,478 --> 00:16:21,079
Whoo!
365
00:16:21,113 --> 00:16:23,148
This is
a Bwiti healing ceremony
366
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at a harm reduction center
in Harlem.
367
00:16:25,051 --> 00:16:29,855
Whoo! Whoo!
368
00:16:29,889 --> 00:16:31,957
And this is
Dimitri Mugianis,
369
00:16:31,992 --> 00:16:35,060
and he cures people
of heroin addiction.
370
00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:37,362
He does so using a special
voodoo ritual--
371
00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:38,797
somewhat like this.
372
00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:41,666
The main difference is,
when it's for kicking heroin,
373
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he also incorporates one of the
most powerful drugs on earth--
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ibogaine.
375
00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:48,306
What is ibogaine?
376
00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,542
Ibogaine is a hydrochloride,
377
00:16:50,576 --> 00:16:51,977
meaning a extract
378
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from a plant called iboga.
379
00:16:54,848 --> 00:16:57,250
One of the properties of iboga
380
00:16:57,284 --> 00:16:58,785
that was discovered
in the early sixties
381
00:16:58,819 --> 00:16:59,986
was that it interrupts
382
00:17:00,021 --> 00:17:01,822
physical dependency on opiates
383
00:17:01,856 --> 00:17:02,990
without withdrawal.
384
00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:04,758
That happened for me.
I was a heroin addict
385
00:17:04,792 --> 00:17:06,659
and a methadone addict
for 20 years.
386
00:17:06,694 --> 00:17:08,394
How many times
did you try to get clean
387
00:17:08,429 --> 00:17:09,429
before ibogaine?
388
00:17:09,463 --> 00:17:10,964
I probably went
cold turkey 50 times.
389
00:17:10,998 --> 00:17:13,767
Right. So, the only thing that
ever worked in 20 years...
390
00:17:13,801 --> 00:17:15,201
The only thing that
ever worked in 20 years.
391
00:17:15,236 --> 00:17:16,670
OK. So, was ibogaine
illegal at this time?
392
00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:20,907
Ibogaine has been
illegal since Nixon.
393
00:17:20,942 --> 00:17:23,243
Ibogaine was
made illegal in 1969
394
00:17:23,277 --> 00:17:25,145
at the height of
the hippie movement,
395
00:17:25,180 --> 00:17:27,447
and today, lives
right along heroin
396
00:17:27,482 --> 00:17:29,182
as a Schedule 1 drug.
397
00:17:29,217 --> 00:17:30,984
And although it's legal
in most countries,
398
00:17:31,018 --> 00:17:33,720
ibogaine has some of the
stiffest legal penalties
399
00:17:33,754 --> 00:17:35,121
here in America.
400
00:17:35,156 --> 00:17:37,123
So, if you want to use it
to get off heroin,
401
00:17:37,158 --> 00:17:40,226
you have to leave the States
to do so.
402
00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:43,796
After Dimitri used ibogaine to
successfully beat his addiction,
403
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:46,231
he became kind of
an evangelist for the drug
404
00:17:46,266 --> 00:17:48,300
and illegally administered
hundreds of treatments
405
00:17:48,334 --> 00:17:51,236
to addicts in hotel and motel
rooms across the country.
406
00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:56,375
But after a very close call where
one of his patients nearly died...
407
00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:58,410
Hey. Hey. Hey.
408
00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:01,547
he realized that he had to
find out more about his drug.
409
00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,149
So, he went to Africa.
410
00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:08,521
He traveled to Gabon and became
an initiate in Bwiti,
411
00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:10,657
which is a religion
that uses ibogaine,
412
00:18:10,691 --> 00:18:12,492
or rather iboga,
the indigenous plant
413
00:18:12,526 --> 00:18:15,261
that ibogaine is made from,
to talk to their ancestors
414
00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:16,629
through hallucinations,
415
00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:19,132
which in turn induces
spiritual enlightenment.
416
00:18:29,143 --> 00:18:30,944
Since then, Dimitri's
been incorporating
417
00:18:30,979 --> 00:18:34,048
elements of Bwiti rituals
while he illegally administers
418
00:18:34,082 --> 00:18:35,950
ibogaine to heroin addicts.
419
00:18:35,984 --> 00:18:39,487
That is, until he got busted by
the DEA in a sting operation,
420
00:18:39,522 --> 00:18:41,023
and since then,
he's been conducting
421
00:18:41,057 --> 00:18:42,691
a kind of Bwiti self-help group
422
00:18:42,725 --> 00:18:44,526
every week at a drug clinic
in Harlem
423
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,629
with all of the freakiness
but none of the ibogaine.
424
00:18:47,663 --> 00:18:49,798
♪And I want you
to open up!
425
00:18:49,832 --> 00:18:52,200
Even though Dimitri's
ceremonies can look as though
426
00:18:52,235 --> 00:18:54,436
the lunatics have
taken over the asylum,
427
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:57,273
people continually seek him out
to ask him for his help,
428
00:18:57,307 --> 00:19:00,609
because heroin is the most
addictive drug on earth.
429
00:19:06,249 --> 00:19:08,017
Now, take Matt,
for example.
430
00:19:08,051 --> 00:19:09,985
He looks like
a linebacker for Purdue,
431
00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:12,421
but in reality, he's been
a hardcore junkie
432
00:19:12,456 --> 00:19:13,689
for over 10 years.
433
00:19:13,724 --> 00:19:16,058
I was sniffing
in the back of the car
434
00:19:16,093 --> 00:19:17,260
on the way here.
435
00:19:17,294 --> 00:19:19,162
In fact,
Matt is so far gone
436
00:19:19,196 --> 00:19:20,963
that his own mother is
willing to give him up
437
00:19:20,998 --> 00:19:23,366
to a bunch of New York
voodoo fruitcakes
438
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,335
and let them take him to Mexico
439
00:19:25,369 --> 00:19:28,638
and give him one of the most
powerful drugs on Earth.
440
00:19:28,672 --> 00:19:30,873
That's how bad heroin is.
441
00:19:30,908 --> 00:19:33,209
We're very excited about this.
442
00:19:33,244 --> 00:19:36,947
He's like our baby and we'll
take really good care of him.
443
00:19:36,981 --> 00:19:38,415
It's so sad
to me, though,
444
00:19:38,449 --> 00:19:39,983
that it can't be done here,
445
00:19:40,017 --> 00:19:43,486
that it's--I--just
angers me
446
00:19:43,521 --> 00:19:45,756
to my--bottom of
my soul.
447
00:19:45,790 --> 00:19:47,825
And when you see
that level of desperation,
448
00:19:47,859 --> 00:19:49,794
you realize why people
put so much faith
449
00:19:49,828 --> 00:19:51,362
in New Age healers like Dimitri.
450
00:19:51,396 --> 00:19:53,131
Thank you, son.
451
00:19:53,165 --> 00:19:54,999
We'll take good care
of him, OK?
452
00:19:55,033 --> 00:19:57,235
All right. Call us, too.
Anytime.
453
00:19:58,370 --> 00:20:00,338
This is your new path, honey,
454
00:20:00,372 --> 00:20:01,506
and I can't wait to see
455
00:20:01,540 --> 00:20:02,941
the amazing things
that are gonna
456
00:20:02,975 --> 00:20:05,177
happen in your life.
457
00:20:05,211 --> 00:20:07,345
I love you with
my heart and soul, baby.
458
00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:08,480
OK, ma.
459
00:20:08,514 --> 00:20:09,481
God bless you, baby.
460
00:20:09,516 --> 00:20:10,449
All right.
461
00:20:17,157 --> 00:20:19,491
To avoid prosecution
by the American government,
462
00:20:19,526 --> 00:20:21,493
much of the ibogaine
underground community
463
00:20:21,528 --> 00:20:24,163
has actually moved just
south of the border to Mexico,
464
00:20:24,197 --> 00:20:25,865
where the drug is still legal.
465
00:20:32,172 --> 00:20:34,774
So, we're about
an hour south of Tijuana
466
00:20:34,808 --> 00:20:36,743
in a very upscale neighborhood.
467
00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:40,446
It's interesting, because when
you start doing a story about
468
00:20:40,481 --> 00:20:42,549
underground heroin clinics using
469
00:20:42,583 --> 00:20:44,551
sort of tribal
African rituals...
470
00:20:46,188 --> 00:20:48,089
You kind of have
an image in your head of
471
00:20:48,123 --> 00:20:50,992
sort of dank basements
on the Lower East Side,
472
00:20:51,026 --> 00:20:53,094
and then all of a sudden,
you're in a really fancy
473
00:20:53,128 --> 00:20:55,396
Mexican villa by the sea.
474
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:56,931
It's not what I had in mind.
475
00:20:58,467 --> 00:21:00,000
The reason we came down here
476
00:21:00,035 --> 00:21:01,902
is to work with Jeff
Israel and his clinic,
477
00:21:01,936 --> 00:21:04,371
is because what we're gonna
try to do is combine
478
00:21:04,406 --> 00:21:07,208
our ritual with the medical ritual.
Right.
479
00:21:07,242 --> 00:21:09,410
Jeff Israel runs
a more medical approach
480
00:21:09,444 --> 00:21:11,645
to ibogaine at his clinic,
and as such
481
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,347
incorporates a lot of
safety equipment
482
00:21:13,381 --> 00:21:15,015
in case anything goes wrong.
483
00:21:15,049 --> 00:21:16,850
If we don't like
where the pulse is
484
00:21:16,884 --> 00:21:19,286
or starts to go low
or gets irregular,
485
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,521
we'll slap these on them
with 3 leads.
486
00:21:21,556 --> 00:21:23,323
If somebody
vomits or aspirates,
487
00:21:23,357 --> 00:21:24,958
we can suction them out.
488
00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:26,960
If somebody codes
or anything like that,
489
00:21:26,994 --> 00:21:30,363
we have oxygen and...
490
00:21:30,398 --> 00:21:32,266
if there is
an emergency, you know,
491
00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:34,501
we have an intubation kit.
492
00:21:34,536 --> 00:21:36,069
For Matt's treatment,
they're gonna combine
493
00:21:36,104 --> 00:21:38,806
his clinical approach
with Dimitri's ceremony.
494
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,809
And it was finally time
for that ceremony to begin.
495
00:21:45,848 --> 00:21:46,948
But first we had to pick up
496
00:21:46,982 --> 00:21:49,650
a longtime heroin user
from Brooklyn named Nicole,
497
00:21:49,685 --> 00:21:51,085
who's a friend of Jeff Israel's
498
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,820
and happened to be in Mexico
499
00:21:52,855 --> 00:21:55,857
and also wanted to use ibogaine
to try and get clean.
500
00:21:55,891 --> 00:21:58,293
For the first ritual,
we had to find a tree
501
00:21:58,327 --> 00:21:59,527
by the side of the highway.
502
00:21:59,562 --> 00:22:01,229
So, do you guys
know what we're doing now?
503
00:22:01,263 --> 00:22:03,197
Uh, we're going
to the tree, right?
504
00:22:03,231 --> 00:22:05,065
Yeah.
Yeah.
505
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,701
I don't know exactly what
we're doing there, but--
506
00:22:13,541 --> 00:22:15,142
So, you
give this as offerings
507
00:22:15,176 --> 00:22:17,277
to the ancestors
and to the tree,
508
00:22:17,311 --> 00:22:18,445
because this stuff is good.
509
00:22:18,479 --> 00:22:19,613
Everyone likes Fanta,
510
00:22:19,647 --> 00:22:21,381
everyone likes booze and candy,
511
00:22:21,415 --> 00:22:22,416
so, you offer it up.
512
00:22:33,828 --> 00:22:35,528
I think that
for a drug user,
513
00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:37,830
I mean, their whole life
revolves around ritual.
514
00:22:37,865 --> 00:22:39,666
The ritual of copping,
of getting the drugs,
515
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:41,300
procuring the drugs,
getting the money,
516
00:22:41,335 --> 00:22:43,670
and I think that even
problematic drug use
517
00:22:43,704 --> 00:22:46,506
is a quest for deeper meaning.
518
00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:49,909
How many times have
you tried to get clean?
519
00:22:49,944 --> 00:22:51,478
Uh, at least 30.
520
00:22:51,512 --> 00:22:52,913
30 times.
At least.
521
00:22:52,947 --> 00:22:54,714
What do
you hope happens now?
522
00:22:54,749 --> 00:22:56,616
I hope
I stay clean.
523
00:22:56,651 --> 00:22:58,385
I just--I just want
to be happy, man.
524
00:22:58,419 --> 00:22:59,986
You know, I just want to
wake up in the morning
525
00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:02,188
and, you know, not want to
526
00:23:02,223 --> 00:23:04,591
fucking blow my brains
out every day.
527
00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:08,494
That would be nice.
Nice change of pace.
528
00:23:08,528 --> 00:23:10,829
Are you worried about
what you guys are doing?
529
00:23:10,863 --> 00:23:13,097
Are you worried
that the rituals
530
00:23:13,132 --> 00:23:18,236
get sort of bastardized and--and
morph into something else?
531
00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:19,270
Yeah,
it is a worry,
532
00:23:19,304 --> 00:23:21,438
and it is a criticism of me,
533
00:23:21,473 --> 00:23:23,507
but that's what culture does, right?
Right.
534
00:23:23,541 --> 00:23:26,376
And the thing about an African
religion and an African music--
535
00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:29,679
it's very plastic, it bends
and molds and shapes,
536
00:23:29,713 --> 00:23:30,634
and it'll be different.
537
00:23:30,648 --> 00:23:32,649
Our Bwiti is different.
538
00:23:32,683 --> 00:23:36,318
With all of this, the second
they take a test dose,
539
00:23:36,353 --> 00:23:37,687
their withdrawal will be gone.
540
00:23:37,721 --> 00:23:41,657
That is fucking for sure.
Every time.
541
00:23:41,692 --> 00:23:43,293
The rituals
of the afternoon
542
00:23:43,327 --> 00:23:45,861
fed into the ibogaine use
of the evening,
543
00:23:45,896 --> 00:23:48,464
and that's when things started
to get a bit heavy.
544
00:23:53,103 --> 00:23:55,537
When the first ibogaine
test dose was administered,
545
00:23:55,572 --> 00:23:58,273
Nicole, who was still suspected
of being on heroin,
546
00:23:58,308 --> 00:23:59,541
showed little reaction,
547
00:23:59,575 --> 00:24:02,077
whereas Matt, who was
already in full withdrawal,
548
00:24:02,111 --> 00:24:03,911
felt it immediately.
549
00:24:03,946 --> 00:24:05,880
And after another
quick round of medical tests
550
00:24:05,914 --> 00:24:07,315
to check his vital stats,
551
00:24:07,349 --> 00:24:08,829
they administered Matt
the flood dose,
552
00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:11,485
and it was not an easy trip.
553
00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,389
This is probably between
80% and 90% ibogaine,
554
00:24:15,423 --> 00:24:17,791
and we gave it to him
in, like, a cocktail,
555
00:24:17,826 --> 00:24:20,961
so it got in his system quicker
without a capsule.
556
00:24:20,996 --> 00:24:25,666
The most important bit of
equipment in this place
557
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,434
is the vomit bucket.
558
00:24:27,469 --> 00:24:28,602
Bless you.
559
00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:15,382
Probably 15 hours
into this now.
560
00:25:15,417 --> 00:25:17,251
Just gave him
some more ibogaine.
561
00:25:17,285 --> 00:25:19,886
This is common.
What he's experiencing now
562
00:25:19,921 --> 00:25:22,522
is 15% of what he would have
563
00:25:22,557 --> 00:25:25,291
if he was home trying
to kick an opiate habit.
564
00:25:25,326 --> 00:25:28,395
OK, this is nothing.
This is baby food.
565
00:25:30,198 --> 00:25:33,500
Just thinking about,
like, this crazy...
566
00:25:37,539 --> 00:25:39,439
crazy life, you know,
567
00:25:39,474 --> 00:25:42,743
and...I just kind of
hope I don't
568
00:25:42,777 --> 00:25:44,445
have to go back to it anymore.
569
00:25:45,814 --> 00:25:50,517
But as of right now, I mean,
I don't want to.
570
00:25:50,552 --> 00:25:53,053
That in itself is a miracle.
571
00:25:54,522 --> 00:25:56,790
An addict goes
from being completely numb
572
00:25:56,824 --> 00:25:59,592
physically and emotionally
for, you know,
573
00:25:59,627 --> 00:26:01,861
one, 5, 10, 20 years
574
00:26:01,896 --> 00:26:04,430
to finally feeling
their body again
575
00:26:04,465 --> 00:26:06,099
and feeling emotions again,
576
00:26:06,133 --> 00:26:08,968
and it's like,
uh-uh, unacceptable.
577
00:26:11,272 --> 00:26:14,308
With ibogaine, sometimes it's
not a favor, you know,
578
00:26:14,342 --> 00:26:15,876
You get kicked in the face.
579
00:26:15,910 --> 00:26:17,177
It's iboga saying, "Hello."
580
00:26:17,212 --> 00:26:19,479
Mama Bwiti saying,
"Hello. What's up?"
581
00:26:19,514 --> 00:26:22,849
You know, like a good parent
telling you something.
582
00:26:22,884 --> 00:26:26,720
This stuff is miraculous
and he's doing--he's doing fine.
583
00:26:26,755 --> 00:26:29,556
It's just, you know, it's just
not a fun experience.
584
00:26:29,591 --> 00:26:31,592
You know, there's no--
there's no easy landing.
585
00:26:31,626 --> 00:26:32,960
Even with ibogaine.
586
00:26:34,729 --> 00:26:37,164
Nicole, who was suspected
of still being on heroin,
587
00:26:37,199 --> 00:26:38,966
did not take her flood dose
that night,
588
00:26:39,001 --> 00:26:41,569
but instead opted to take
her full dosage of ibogaine
589
00:26:41,603 --> 00:26:45,039
a few days later without
Dimitri's Bwiti ceremony.
590
00:27:07,261 --> 00:27:10,064
It was actually amazing to
see the transformation of Matt.
591
00:27:10,098 --> 00:27:11,732
He was healthy and smiling,
592
00:27:11,767 --> 00:27:13,968
and he hadn't used drugs
since Mexico.
593
00:27:14,002 --> 00:27:16,270
The ibogaine had done its job.
594
00:27:16,305 --> 00:27:18,806
Everything looks so different.
595
00:27:18,841 --> 00:27:21,309
It's just nothing looks the same.
It's weird.
596
00:27:27,149 --> 00:27:29,417
You know, Matt was really
suffering in his addiction.
597
00:27:29,452 --> 00:27:30,885
But the difference
is just profound.
598
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,654
Just the way he looks,
his skin color,
599
00:27:32,688 --> 00:27:33,789
the way he's talking.
600
00:27:33,823 --> 00:27:36,191
You know, this is
sort of like a textbook example
601
00:27:36,225 --> 00:27:40,495
of what iboga can do for
a suffering drug addict.
602
00:27:40,529 --> 00:27:42,697
I must admit that
at first seeing the rituals
603
00:27:42,731 --> 00:27:44,165
and craziness of Bwiti
604
00:27:44,199 --> 00:27:45,967
that I was bit skeptical.
605
00:27:46,002 --> 00:27:48,436
But when I saw Matt
literally reborn,
606
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:50,771
I was happy to be proved wrong.
607
00:27:52,541 --> 00:27:53,808
And I can only hope that he,
608
00:27:53,842 --> 00:27:56,811
like a lot of ibogaine users
before him, stays clean.
609
00:27:56,846 --> 00:27:58,613
You feeling good?
610
00:27:58,648 --> 00:28:00,615
Good. Really good, man.
Really good.
611
00:28:05,322 --> 00:28:10,766
_
612
00:28:10,767 --> 00:28:20,893
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