All language subtitles for Killing Joke- Death and Resurrection Show, The (2013) [tt2339703]

People near the coast should evacuate immediately, houses
are collapsing

Israel may bomb Iran.

If I were Iran I would be trying to get nuclear weapons.

America was the first nation ever, to use nuclear weapons.

600 people are now confirmed dead,

they died because they listened to the Governor.

Who will help us already? We can not do anything!

Does the dollar get destroyed or is every currency going to
get destroyed?

A series of demonstrations against corporate greed

Move! Keep moving please! Get out of the way!

Civilians can be stopped on the street with very little actual
suspicious cause

Do we fear China or do we need China?

Because the extra low frequency waves

drill deep into your brain.

The sun has a temper tantrum.

But it doesn't end there, if there were an electromagnetic
problem

it could be the end of life as we know it.

It is obvious why the world is so stressed and humanity
suffers as it does.

And humanity suffers so much.

If you look at what's circled in the centre you can see a smiley
face.

Do we care? Do we have a moral compass anymore?

I visualised Killing Joke

before Killing Joke actually happened.

There was a stage.

An anonymous band emitting sounds of a primeval world;

it was like a generator,

and there was no applause, there was only dispersal,

the musicians were like insects.

LONDON

I was standing in the dole queue about to sign on

and there was this Indian guy in front of me, and he went"Hi,
my name's Carlos."

and I said “Oh, my name's Jaz, I've come to London to form a
band?

And he goes “I know, and I'm going to introduce you to the
drummer who lives in my house."

I was already playing with a band,

I met Jaz and invited him to join the group.

But we both took off just before a concert.

Which I'll eternally feel bad about

but you know; needs must when the devil pees in your kettle.

The second I set eyes on Paul's face,

we both knew that destiny had struck us,

It was kind of...

mutual repulsion.

We sort of discussed, well how are we going to meet

two other guys who not only have a revolutionary style of
playing,

but they also have a right side of brain capacity

sufficiently developed

to understand philosophy and broader ideas?

Paul said

..."Magick".

At that time I didn't know, that Paul knew

anything about Magick.

He had extensive knowledge about the ceremonial Magick,

and the Rosicrucians, the system of the Golden Dawn.

He had a very good understanding of the Kabbalah, the
mystery traditions

and the secret history of the world.

By then, I had already studied Wicca

and ceremonial Magick.

When I discovered that he had followed the same path as me,

"that was it"

Our mutual interest in all things occult and spiritual

made us think we could do something musically

that channeled what we were exploring.

On the 26th February, three o'clock, 1979

Paul and I performed the ritual of dedication

to find the other two.

We painted the floor black,

and drew the circle and the Pentagram,

aligning it with the cardinal points, as one should do

We did a banishing ritual, stated our intentions,

did an invocation ritual

It was somewhat amateurish and basic stuff

but, apparently, it apparently turned out to be quite powerful

Unknowingly, we invoke the fire and er...

the flat burnt down!

The flat got burnt down because they got their navigational
compass points wrong.

They had not yet perfected their art at the time

"Have you heard?They've burned your flat!"

WANT TO BE PART OF THE KILLING JOKE

BASS AND GUITARIST WANTED

I'm not quite sure how they found Geordie. I think it was
through

A Melody Maker ad, and I was found through a Melody Maker
ad.

Geordie showed up. He had long, curly, ginger hair

and a Northern attitude.

This sort of, Teddy, yob, lout type character.

You have to take into consideration what he said on the
phone to us;

“I've never played with a band but I'm the best in the world”.

And when I asked him “Well where have you been playing?"

he went “In my bedroom at my Mum's place",

It did not sound very good.

When he plugged in, and he started playing,

it was like fire from heaven...

I knew it, I knew the sound,

it was a complete sense of déjà vu, it was incredibly
emotional,

and I was so, so excited.

He came over to my bedsit in Earl's Court and he said

"You'll have to come up to Cheltenham where the singer
lives, do an audition."

Tempted him down there under the sort of premise of free
food and lodging.

So we ended up all up in Cheltenham at Jaz's Mum's place
and Mr. C too, god rest his soul

and booked the first rehearsal.

Do you know I'd really love to know the date?

You know it was just Jaz bashing around on this electric
piano

and he had this sort of beret, a feather, he was a bit of a hippy
really.

He denies this fervently, but he had a feather earring

and I just thought that was really weird.

The Youth in his swastika t-shirt and his fucking chain doing
the full Sid routine.

It was just sort of, ”Oh, oh it's him"!

I was the most really experienced in the real world,

because I'd done tours with other bands and I'd done proper
gigs

and they'd never played outside their bloody youth club
basically.

I think he was trying to avoid something

something or trying to find somewhere to live or something
like that you know?

And he was just there.

We played a bit and Jaz and Paul commented:

“Let's go to the pub and talk about this.”

I don't think they were very impressed.

Youth couldn't play he fucking choked.

“Come on, Jesus Christ, you've got to. . ."and we just

ended up fucking finding one note and fucking staying on it.

And it went on for ages and got more and more intense

Jaz and Paul walked in on it.

We'd had enough to drink and it was like, "Well, shall we?"

Perhaps the beer had worked it's magic but,

it wasn't the same room that we'd left.

Paul just went straight for the kit and started playing,

and then Jaz just started playing and that became

"Are You Receiving", our first single.

I considered that point the birth of the band, that was it.

When the chemistry comes together, when the planets
collide, you know?

It ain't a fucking set up this shit

Shrewdly I think we spent almost a year rehearsing in
Cheltenham before

we unleashed ourselves.

I think within seventeen gigs

we were headlining at the Lyceum.

Needless to say, these two great souls that manifested

were Geordie and Youth.The Magick had worked.

"Pssyche", this was a John Peel session, in November

1979.

That was a few years ago!

John Peel said: "This is a good band."

He thought it was a professional band having him on

He said: "I have never had a band as good as this."

It was for "Turn To Red".

Killing Joke are good. Good punk. Not commercial.

A lot of bands nowadays have gone crap commercial.

We'd come through all these punk bands who were really
good to go and see live,

but they couldn't play for fuck. Bands like Eater and...

The Clash were around,

but were just a pretend rock 'n' roll band dressed up as punks,

and The Sex Pistols had almost disintegrated by then.

But then Killing Joke, it wasn't just screaming and shouting

and... They could actually really play.

We like rhythm, you know. . .?

Rhythm, you understand?

Because it makes me feel... Rhythm makes me feel like I'm a
human being,

like I'm an animal, you understand?

I saw them for the first time in 1981, I was 16 years old...

No other group has made me feel the same.

It was like an electric shock going through me.

When I actually saw them play it was incredible.

You could cut the atmosphere with a knife it was really... And
it was a real tribal thing,

they were giving out to the audience, the audience were
giving back...

and it had this air of menace to it which you know,

I love that in music: menace and danger.

I know they're terms that are used a lot in music

but believe me it was really there.

Jaz would come on in full make-up

and you didn't know whether to laugh or to be totally afraid

because he kind of looked like the Devil...

...but it was slightly perverse and a bit strange and almost
silly.

Nothing like that scares me I'm from Salford; who gives a fuck
about the Devil?

He wasn't comfortable being the singer, he didn't want to be,

he wanted to be the keyboard player and we had arguments
about it.

I had a voice, but, playing the drums and being the singer, it
looks really bad

it was never going to go anywhere!

So he is the reluctant frontman of the band.

You have a sort of, very mixed image I think, certainly in the
band,

from your sort of Alvin Lee rocker type hairstyle

to this Sid Vicious twisted hair, how does that arise?

Well it's always been like this,

we don't consider ourselves to be anything other than
individuals.

We have our own personal likes and dislikes,

and out of this somehow

we coalesce into something called Killing Joke.

Paul never seemed to be thrashing away you know, he wasn't
Keith Moon or...

It was just quite controlled but, huge power.

If he looked at me I thought he'd... hit me you know

He had me on the edge of my pants, I had to keep up with
him

and, not make him look silly. He made me into a good player.

You're certainly more on the, the art, sort of University
circuit...

No that's rubbish,

there's nut-cases at our gigs,

Why?

They're the only sort of honest people, you know, they
haven't got any pretense about them you know?

I just thought, this is what music should be,

it's just like being hit in the face by a train.

When I joined I was the one who wasn't really into the occult
and the Magick

I was a really arrogant, conceited, young punk,

who thought he knew everything?

And suddenly I was totally flung

into this hermetic, occult, mystical world

of possibilities and realities, of which I'd never been aware of
before

and I did blow a few fuses.

When they first came in they were a cocky bunch of guys,
really.

They'd come in as a pack

and then after a while I found out that they were this band
called Killing Joke,

which meant nothing to me at the time.

I heard a bit of their music and it fitted.

Looking at the times that I grew up,

the hippy dream had started to get a bit nasty,

people started dropping acid, went to various gurus

and Eastern philosophy and everything;

It was all starting to eat itself, with the Manson stuff...

And I think that's sort of culturally

when people started looking at mysticism,

and perhaps Aleister Crowley and all that sort of thing,

for their, you know, new experience of the enlightenment

that hippiedom had promised them.

Prepare to enter a world

stranger than you have ever imagined:

The world of witchcraft, Magick and ritual.

It was very much a time for throwing away the rules,

you were considered terribly staid and unnecessarily stupid

if you did it the way round that people have been doing it for
a hundred years, four hundred years, whatever.

And so you just launched yourself into

whatever particular ritual you wanted to do at the time,

and you were prepared to take the consequences

because all men think that they're going to live fast and die
young and what the hell.

We call to the Earth.

We call to the sky.

Mother father.

We were shamanistic, generally speaking,

and devotional, which was Geordie and myself
predominantly.

We would celebrate the moons to get,

our actions aligned with

the seasons of mother nature.

Paul was actually the ceremonial one.

I grew up listening to Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin.

What you going to do, what's that all about?

There's no doubt about the fact that your overall beliefs,

no matter what they are, are going to underlie what you're
doing.

I do not know collectively, but as far as Jaz goes

I know that mysticism played a very important role to him.

Within the music, he's either playing with Magick

or Magick's playing with him.

What was apparent about him was that he was a doer, he's an
experimenter,

he doesn't just accept what he's told.

We used to take the car and go to the Rollright Stones in
Oxford.

Sometimes at very important dates, you know, like Solstice.

I was even starting to be scared to be perhaps sacrificed,

and I was keeping a very low profile, disappearing into the
forest or something!

And let them do their ritual in the middle of the circle.

We would use drum and mantra.

I would take my ocarinas

and I would move in a clockwise direction

in a spiral dance around the stone circle

We became adept at raising energy at these grid

points, we became really, really good,

we could activate these grid points

There was so much symbolism and so many things I thought:

oh my God, perhaps I'm going to die!

And of course this technique was sort of employed

within raising the energy live on stage.

And eventually the two became one,

the gigs became

...ceremonies.

And then we did it on a grid point,

by accident,

and time was transcended.

Reading Hexagon. Mad fucking gig, and suddenly...

about five songs in...

it's gone silent, totally fucking silent.

You just heard this, “khhhhhhhh”.

And before this it was just screaming madness.

Everything seemed to move in slow motion.

And I'd be looking at Geordie

Everything was slowing down.

I'm playing the fucking guitar... What the fuck? I can't hear
anything.

And I'm witnessing this body playing,

I'm getting scared, so I look over to Jaz,

and he's on the keyboard, and he's doing exactly the same;

“what the fuck's going on?"

I had no idea what was going on.

Total silence.

Total. Fucking. Silence

I'd look at the audience and they're all like, “Woah? What's
going on?"

It became an out of body experience.

We're very fucking clever aren't we? We did this man,

we fucking got it to this stage:

God walks through the fucking room.

And then suddenly; Whoosh

BANG! Back into super-reality of the place going insane.

Could have been thirty seconds, could have been forty
seconds,

but it was paradise for fucking forty seconds

It was the most incredible experience

and we experienced it collectively...

and everybody shit themselves.

The other thing in the early days with Killing Joke was the...

the actual Killing Joke as a unit.

The minute the four of them got together,

it was a complete personality change.

This wasn't Paul Ferguson, this wasn't Jaz Coleman,

this was Killing Joke,

and that's when the aggro over the artwork would start.

It was just chalk and cheese, they'd want something I'd want
something else,

and I'd do something and we'd fight and whoever got the last
word...

I mean I totally fucked up the sleeve to 'What's THIS For. . .!'
on purpose.

Paul Ferguson said "Oh we want that for the album,

that's going to be brilliant."

I said “Well I haven't finished doing what I was doing with it."

I just got really angry,

and threw some films together and said you go on and
fucking print that then you bastards.

WHAT'S THIS FOR. . .! IS THE WALKING, TALKING,
INCARNATION OF EVIL

Sounds gave it five stars for music, and one star for morals!

And I've never seen that before or since.

The guy was freaked out, and he felt obliged to put a warning
in,

that it could corrode you spiritually!

Killing Joke is best explained in your emotions;

in the eyes, in the mouth, in the emotions you see?

See, we try to be human beings in Killing Joke that's all.

Killing Joke were not a polite band,

they really don't say things just to please you I mean... They
were really raw.

Hammersmith Palais, February 23, 1982.

A French television team was there so it was really organised.

I'd been doing the interview before, I was trying to talk about
occultism,

but Jaz said: "I do not know what you mean."

They had these huge studio TV cameras in the middle of the
dance floor,

and the whole thing collapsed with the weight of the fans.

I remember being terrified because I was down the front,

and I remember just bodies falling and bodies flying around
me,

the bouncers trying to pull people out

and shouting “Stop playing! Stop playing!”

And I remember Jaz looking at this chaos at the front

and just went “Wardance!” and then they went straight into
'Wardance'!

And it was just like a scene from

Dante's Inferno down the front and they weren't going to
stop playing!

I think he was really pleased to be filmed that day.

It was going to be shown on French television on a Saturday,

so twenty million people are going to see Killing Joke.

Western civilisation, I give it, twenty months

and it'll be gone, all gone; bang!

SINGER VANISHES

SINGER (?),

KEYBOARD WIZARD, AND ALL ROUND POISON DWARF

JAZ HAS GONE AWOL... PRESUMED DISTURBED.

Jaz had a Wobbler, he basically thought that the end was
nigh.

He went on one of his birthdays I even made him a cake and
he disappeared.

JAZ VANISHES

We were standing outside a television studio, we were
supposed to go on

and this sort of letter showed up, you know,

saying "599 Ya!"

“Where is Jaz Coleman?”

And they phoned me up and I wouldn't tell them.

JAZ... IS ALIVE... AND WELL...

LIVING IN ICELAND

Punk star goes nuts runs off to Iceland; great story.

We learned that he had fled to Iceland.

And did anyone give a fuck...?

No.

I fled myself a couple of times, never made it to Iceland but I
made it to the Isle of Wight once,

realised what a shithole it was and came home.

JAZ SPEAKS: "Fuck You!"

JAZ IS STILL REFUSING TO EXPLAIN WHY HE LEFT THE BAND
IN THE LURCH

HIS RESPONSE WAS A CURT "FUCK OFF"

And that was when I left the band, or when the band left me!

Because first 3217. went, and then Geordie

I was sitting in my flat, and I felt something behind me.

But I didn't turn round, I deliberately ignored it.

That thing that I felt was actually Geordie leaving,

It was Geordie out the front door, because we lived together.

Silently and stealthily, like a snake,

They took off without leaving me a note.

And with Jaz I was particularly upset

because I had to read about it in the bloody NME.

I'd known these guys four or five years,

gone through some serious rights of passage with them

and they can't even give me the time of day.

Well I don't know what happened in Iceland

because I had to go out and work in the Middle East,

I was skint because I didn't get any money out of Killing Joke
or Malicious Damage!

I'm not sure that it went very well for them over there.

ICELAND

Jaz told me that he had read and article

about what would be the safest place in the world if there
was a nuclear war...

...and in that article it said the north east of Iceland.

Another thing was that he was the reincarnation of Aleister
Crowley.

I think he was the third or the fourth one that I've met.

There is a sentence in the Book of the Law which says
“Choose ye an island and fortify it!"

and things like that.

“Island" is written the same way that we write “Iceland” in
Icelandic,

that was also a connecting point,

I think he sincerely believed that.

The thing about the Book of the Law is that Crowley
channelled it in 1904

and he spent the rest of his life trying to decode it.

Because of its complexity, it is open to interpretation.

I mean at one time I had a moated site in Sussex

and I thought that was the island!

It's your application to your, you know, your Magickal destiny.

I found many references,

Prophetic references,

describing a better way of life,

an island that survives the great upheaval.

The interesting thing was;

all the references I discovered,

were nearly all by Rosicrucian authors.

At the centre of the Golden Dawn system of Magick

lies the invocation of the holy guardian angel;

an ecstatic mystical process

that fascinated the chiefs and leading members of the
Golden Dawn.

Individuation, in Jungian terms,

is about tapping into the unconscious.

Each of us has a dark double,

an adversary that we must face.

And until we know this double

we do not know ourselves.

So I decided to go through this process.

Apart from Geordie, no one was really aware of my intentions,

I couldn't honestly imagine sitting down

with the band and management

explaining why I wanted to study a range of different
subjects, from Nordic mythology

to the study of radiations that emanate from certain holy
sites,

let alone the location of my holy guardian angel.

So, I made plans in secret and left for Iceland,

and then, I began the process of individuation

at Snaefellsjökull Glacier.

This is special!

There are many people who believe

that there is some special power in the glacier...

I believe that also, there's some power up there I can feel it
myself.

It's an energy spot.

The energy is intense, is not good or bad, is pure energy.

It amplifies whatever is there

so if you're an evil person you'll be a more evil person if your
standing there

and if you're good, you'll be even better.

I remember we went to the glacier.

It was the right night, the right moon...

We were walking for two or three hours,

when we get up to the snow...

It suddenly got warmer and misty-er,

it was like we were welcomed you know, the mountain was in
control.

They were very happy to be there, and they started
dancing...

Jaz was not walking anymore and it was beyond fucking
doubt

he was levitating, he was about two foot off the ground,

quite fucking surreal.

It is a strange place.

The elements change, the vibrations change,

your physical body disappears or appears.

The energy of that fucking place was. ..

I wouldn't say intense it was just fucking freedom,

absolute fucking freedom.

There was a rumour from Iceland that they were messing

around with a weird sound machine that vibrated...

Brian reckons that they rang him up and tried

to do something to him over the phone once.

The theory of the walls of Jericho.

And you can actually do deep enough sound

sound and it will shake walls and bring down buildings

but you know, that's just fucking weird rumours.

I took part in something called Oracle Project.

A certain number of geomancers who got together.

Experiments were conducted on human behaviour

by means of resonance,

this was done with a gentleman called Gutti Ottarsson,

open-minded inventor, who also happened to be a musician.

Jaz joins forces with the Icelandic band 'Theyr'

Theyr and Jaz are planning to work on a concept called (you
guessed it) "Iceland"

The Band Iceland-Niceland, Jaz Coleman and Theyr

it was a very intense, small group of people.

We wanted our music to break through your defense
mechanism;

we went to great lengths to encode messages

into the structure of our music in very subtle ways.

One element that was very dominant

in the music of Theyr and Killing Joke

was the strange intervals we used.

We were not using minors or majors,

we were doing diabolic intervals,

very dissonant,

but if you put all the dissonance and the demons together,

they turn into angels.

Very simple,

but it breaks all the rules;

that was Jaz Coleman.

Break all the rules,

collect all the demons

from music, throughout five thousand years

and put them together in one song.

Gutti was interested in developing a prototype

to create mood changes within the perimeter of a concert,

however my interests lied firmly in researching the Earth's
pulse rate

of 7.83Hz

which I considered would be more prevalent in sacred sites.

I could see a correlation between healing in such areas

by gradually adjusting the Earth's pulse rate by chant,
mantra,

in order to accomplish quantum healing.

And so, I embarked upon a series of experiments

with two of my colleagues at the Oracle Project.

Sarah Parkinson...

was a student of the occult,

and I met her in Cheltenham when I was eighteen.

And then there was Vivan Ottisdottir,

Gutti's sister.

I see the Earth rising a second time,

out of the foam, fair and green.

Down from the fells, fish to capture,

wings to eagle, waters flow.

We repeated these four lines over and over again,

until we entered another dimension.

We called it "Universe B".

I see the Earth rising a second time,

out of the foam, fair and green.

Down from the fells, fish to capture,

wings to eagle, waters flow.

The experiences

were of such intensity

that past and future seemed to be transcended;

we would not actually be in our own bodies.

There were many strange incidences

during this series of experiments,

one of which was when Vivan

was struck by lightning.

We were in the kitchen,

the window was wide open

and I just witnessed this huge lightning...

...and this screaming from Vivan, hysterical screaming.

I turned back to Vivan and Jaz and shejust...

Yes, she was

freaked out.

He showed me her hand

and it was all swollen and red,

Yes. No...

How can someone survive from being hit by lightning?

My sister got struck by lightning two times

in Jaz Coleman's company.

The second time was more dramatic.

Lightning striking all over the place, thunder and rain,

Magick was in the air, Aleister Crowley and books

everybody was crazy.

She was soaking wet, standing out on the balcony

confronting Jaz Coleman on personal matters.

She was so lucky, she was protected, she was soaking wet

...so the millions of volts of

energy just slid around her

wet, ...smooth body, to the ground.

She was unharmed, not even knocked out

So our dear Mr Coleman really

recognized my sister as a divine being.

Iceland was a series of experiments,

a period of such exquisite beauty

that I've spent the last twenty seven years

trying to access

the dimensions that I visited.

It's an emotive subject,

not least for the fact that Sarah and Vivan are both dead.

I did meet Sarah and Vivan later on

and I noticed a curious parallel.

After meeting Vivan in Geneva

she confided in me that the rituals we performed

were one of the most beautiful experiences of her life.

And Sarah, she admitted much the same.

I was left with the feeling that both Sarah and Vivan,

had little interest in the mundane concerns of the world
around them shortly

before their respective deaths.

It was almost as if they personified a profound nostalgia

for a vaguely sensed lost paradise,

both possessing the single urge;

to abandon their earthly existence for their true home.

Time to sit back once again and enjoy the sounds of Killing
Joke

By the time Iceland came along I'd had

a breakdown because I'd been taking quite a lot of LSD.

I started to get very paranoid, see conspiracies everywhere,

and I even broke into the Grand

Lodge of the Masons of the Masons in Covent Garden

We went through a few weeks of trying to find a replacement,

it was just pointless, you know, I mean...

And how. . .?

For what purpose?

SO WHAT? TWO FUCKING BASTARDS LEFT!

FUCK OFF!

I do remember they were on Top of the Pops, well, he wasn't
on Top of the Pops,

it was a man with a motorbike helmet on playing the
keyboards.

I was going to say because they did that when Jaz was just
like this dummy, as in it wasn't a person it was just a dummy.

Yes

Well I wasn't even that pissed off, I mean to be honest, I was
sad,

because Jaz had had a few other kamikaze moves on the
band,

Just when the band was going to fucking break Jaz would do
something

to make sure it wouldn't happen.

You know, one minute you're riding the crest of the wave and
the next minute, you know, your boat's sunk.

Everything was open for them,

when Jaz disappeared

they have to cancel so many important events,

the business never forgave that.

TRUST KILLING JOKE TO MAKE AN IGNOBLE FUSS OVER LOST
PERSONNEL.

Think they were under a lot of pressure from the record
company to start touring

because the record had recently been out

out and it was very important for them to start catching up.

REVELATIONS? TOO TRUE! AND THAT'S JUST THE START.

ARROGANCE AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE ANGER

IT'S THE SOUND OF AN ANNIHILATING EFFICIENCY

WITH A SHEEN OF GRATUITOUS NOISE MAKING.

I got this phone call from a friend who was in contact with Jaz
and Geordie

and asked me if I was willing to meet them, in a week

I was in London.

They lacked a drummer, they called Paul Ferguson and asked
him to come

This must have been six months after they left or something

in the meantime I'd lost... everything

And trying to get this project, called Brilliant

going with Youth,

and I just got a telephone call saying “Would you consider,
you know, coming back.

I went out there and felt...

felt like, a bit of an outsider in a way,

I felt that we hadn't really done what we'd set out to do.

They told me that Paul was willing to join the band

but he would decide which bass player he would play with.

Told Youth,"I'm not doing this Brilliant thing with you
anymore, I'm going off to Wales"

And it was Raven.

I didn't speak to Youth again for quite a few years.

BRILLIANT. THAT'S WHAT FRIENDS ARE FOR...

I just took the flight back to Iceland.

...people watching tonight may not have heard of, never
mind seen, the next band.

That hasn't stopped them building up a fanatical following
and notching

up four chart albums,

here's a chance to find out what you've been missing, here
we have

Killing Joke!

This is called "Frenzy".

When I met Raven was with a girl from my home town.

He said, "This is Paul, wants to play in Killing Joke".

I looked at him and thought, "Well, Youth has gone mad so,

there might be a chance there!

And this kid Raven showed up,

I didn't know who he was, or where he came from,

he was young, energetic, really

really into doing it and, he had an attitude.

Raven was party central,

but he was also a very down to earth guy,

he fitted in perfectly I think.

Paul brought a different dynamic to the bass in the band...

he defined himself outside of Youth.

There was that point where he was doing all those curling
baselines and I think Paul

gave him the space to do that because he always knew that
Paul would be rock solid behind him.

After our trip to Iceland,

where I began the process of individuation process

I made contact with Hilmarsson.

Hilmarsson gave me a strange object,

that was carved out of ash.

On one side it had a snowflake design,

on the reverse side was my rune.

I started having the habit of putting this object underneath
my pillow

and I had three

incredibly vivid dreams

that would point me in the direction of a certain place at a
certain time

The first of these, a voice was saying to me, “The Islands of the
North Atlantic";

“Johan

And so, in January of '82 I set off for Iona

That's where the first transmission occurred.

The pendulum gave me the indication

that there was a mass of energy at this place called Duni,

which is the highest point on Iona.

I fasted for three days, I went up to the top of this mountain

and then I got myself into my usual state of trance.

I recited mantras and played the drum,

until I heard a quiet voice that told me to stop

it was at that point that the transmission began.

The word “lcha”, and then it continued,

“lchabod"; the veins are in the body of the gods.

When I checked the Kabbalistic reference it gave

“Eve”, or “to show forth",

and Eve at the top of Duni means

the point of fertilisation.

I see the earth rising a second time,

out of the foam, fair and green,

down from the fells, fish to capture,

wings to eagle... Good afternoon Prime Minister...

Her Majesty The Queen has asked me to form a new
administration,

and I have accepted.

Where there is discord, may we bring harmony,

where there is error, may we bring truth,

where there is doubt, may we bring faith,

where there is despair, may we bring hope."

Eighties was kind of a groundbreaking track.

It was a song about what was happening at that time in the
world.

You never really heard it on the radio, Maggie Thatcher
wouldn't have it on,

because he forecast the Falklands War before it actually
started!

And she didn't like that.

Geordie's guitar tuning on that track was unique

Nirvana must have been huge fans because they played...

What was that song. . .?

Come As You Are. I mean that is Eighties.

We've got a three million lawsuit against Nirvana

for stealing Eighties off us which is Come As You Are,

Kurt from Nirvana has already said “Yes we did it”!

If it was resolved I don't, well I should have seen some money

and I don't think anybody saw any money

Oh well I didn't know who the fuck they were when I met
them, I didn't know anything about them

but... I don't know why I got the call to work with them.

I do know why; it was EG Records.

They said “There's this very awkward band that we have on
the label

that maybe you can help us with...

Quite a few friends said ”What are you doing?"I said ”I'm
working

with Killing Joke", they said, ”You're working with Killing Joke?

Are you mad? They're crazy! They're devil worshippers!"

In 1979 a British DJ felt that the name should be forbidden
and the band

should be commandeered to rake leaves in Hyde Park, in
order to find inner peace.

Killing Joke

It was decided that we would go to Berlin to record the
album.

Berlin . . .is the absolute insanity of humanity,

absolute madness.

Jaz favours countries that are in the midst of economic decay

and collapse,

he feels there's a power there, an electricity because there's a
certain

thing going wrong

We started recording and the band that I knew from London

all of a sudden was a completely different beast

QUITE SIMPLY THE BEST GUITAR RECORD THIS YEAR

The Art of Evil

KILLING JOKE, NIGHT TIME (EG). SUCCESS AT LAST FOR THE BAND
OF THE RISING APOCALYPSE OR WHATEVER THEY CALL THEMSELVES

Working with the band I suddenly began to realise how

Geordie and Jaz worked off each other.

Jaz is in awe of Geordie,

because Geordie can interpret Jaz's chords in

such a different way... I've never heard a guitar player like
Geordie,

Geordie is like... His guitar is like playing... an orchestra.

IT MAKES THE SMITHS LOOK AND SOUND LIKE SIMON AND
GARFUNKEL

Love Like Blood was a deserved hit for all the right reasons.

I don't think anyone

could argue with them for that

I think it kept the head bangers happy, kept the goth fans
happy, it was a little bit of genius songwriting.

It was always great going to see them around that time on
tour,

I remember seeing Jaz come down the stairs there

and it literally was like seeing the return of Emperor Nero

it was a fabulous feeling.

It's one of the defining baselines of that era you know?

It was not a conscious attempt at writing a commercial song
at all.

We did start to tap into an emotional side

that we hadn't explored before,

I suppose it might have been partly

Jaz's classical background.

He just had an anthem, love like blood, love like blood,

and that was all based around a book that Paul was reading.

We did have a hit, wow, amazing.

And it's the only time that we had any money,

it wasn't very much but it was enough to go ”Oh, wow, this is
good?

Yeah it was on every jukebox in every pub,

and suddenly they were on the highest profile music show in
Britain at the time

Raymond, of Killing Joke.

Raven!

You did it already! I knew I'd get something wrong!

It was a very drunk Raven and Jaz were interviewed by Paula
Yates

and Jaz going on about how like, you know, how solid they
were,

one direction, big shiny boots, follow the drum, and they
came on and stormed it.

Did you ever think that you would be suddenly so successful
after five albums?

Why do you think it's happened like that, that suddenly
everyone's buying your records?

Because...

Shut up a minute...

Because there's too many hairdressers around that's why

and it's also because

err

we're just the most brilliant live band in the world.

Get it?

Do you think that saying things like that has made you a bit
unpopular in the past?

Because you have had a terrible reputation for saying
outrageous things.

What with journalists you mean? Yeah with journalists rather
than with...

We've got, we've got a good relationship with the press
actually you know?

They were hated by... the press.

Music papers liked having Killing Joke because they knew...

something was going to happen,

they had a real love hate relationship with it.

There was always this thing called the graveyard shift and it
always meant going to interview Killing Joke.

Wasn't really so much a process of asking questions...

One of them would say something... The other one would
criticize them for saying it...

They would start arguing with each other...

You just had to try and get in there and gradually make some
sense of it all.

I don't think people really pay as much attention

to music journalism as perhaps the media would like to think.

"Jaz displays that Colgate ring of confidence"

Like all the people at the NME, these people think they're
like... gods or something.

It was a good game for some years and they played it well,

the band, for quite a while.

Some people, who didn't really realise what you're talking
about

would probably construe that as negativism.

I cannot see how we can be portrayed as negative.

The only true optimism comes from realism.

Jaz, a hundred quotes a minute worth blowing up in big type.

I WILL DEFINE THE ATOMIC SOUND BEFORE I'M DEAD

JAZ COLEMAN "I AM NOT A NUTCASE!"CLAIM

Newspapers never lie!

I'm pleased I wasn't handling their publicity!

Geordie I was reading the biog

and it said something about the Gematria system that you'd
been getting into

Gematria system, Gematria system? What's that about?

Well...Go for it.

Back to Jaz!

They generally didn't really care about being in the press, but
at the same time Jaz loves to have an audience.

That is using the beats per minute and relating that to
numerology,

which is obviously an ascetic pursuit of arts.

Most people didn't really know what Jaz was talking about...

Good lord, it sounds like, quite heady that

but, so, let's pick up the conversation again in a minute...

Because Jaz often wouldn't talk about it, I mean Jaz would
mention it

and then as soon as the journalist would go "So would you
like to clarify?"

”No, fuck off!"

“Well why did you mention it?"

It became, obviously, a talking point with the press because it
was a bit, you know, woooh.

I always felt that Jaz was the active part and Geordie was
perhaps more in-sinuous obviously,

because they share the same beliefs and everything.

The sound that comes out of this man Geordie,

it strikes terror into every guitarist on the planet;

you know it's Geordie, you know it cannot be any other
guitarist.

Geordie is just a phenomenally innovative musician.

Got a unique, vicious,

bitter, biting, twang to his guitar.

Yeah he's got an amazing sound;

the intensity of that is the subtlety of less is more, you know
you can overplay

and bugger it all up, you know?

You're in the band with him, I'm watching Geordie for every
cue.

Which is interesting, because you usually follow the singer,
and that's the key; you watch Geordie.

With Geordie, he could have gone out there and become part
of a lot of other bands,

and I'm talking big bands, you know bands like Metallica or
something like that,

but he's stuck with Killing Joke all the way through.

He's never really got a lot of money out of Killing Joke,

but he's, you know, got that strong allegiance to being in
Killing Joke

Jah Wobble said,

“imagine an Avro Lancaster, 1942 bomber.

A guy in the leather hat and a cigarette holder and cigarette,

and a gin and tonic in the other hand,

'Right we're over the target!'

that's how I'd describe Geordie Walker to you."

He's so English, he can't live in England anymore; he lives in
Prague

in a weird sort of way the Dickensian blackened streets of
Prague

owe more to his sense of Englishness

than anything England could offer anymore.

For someone who's had such a big impact, Geordie's a very
quiet

guy in the public face I think.

You'll find that my partner Geordie

doesn't do interviews, unlike me

and his reason for this is that

he cannot see the point in talking about music,

when it should be listened to.

Now I can really understand that although...

When Geordie came to Iceland

with his full bodied jazz guitar,

we couldn't understand what he was doing with this
instrument...

But he played it like a motherfucker!

Which is the shit that's got the goo!

You know you just know when it has...

"Give us the goo!"

It's suspensions as well, there's always

the odd ringing note

and you move chords and that's still ringing

a suspensions... it's what you get with the echo too,

because there's previous notes from previous stuff still
decaying

under it

He always plays the same guitar, because it's semi-acoustic

it enlarges the sound, it rings more.

And he would play through two Burman amplifiers

with a little chorus on them.

And he's playing these weird shapes and inversions,

he's got all these harmonic overtones

because it's a semi-acoustic guitar...

It's fucking resonances and beats, it's fucking microscopic
you know?

It's like, you can hear it,

you just heard it, when you tune it up and you get that beat,

it's getting that at the right sort of resonance,

as a low fucking frequency thing going on too

Its not fucking unlike cooking.

Getting all the fucking flavours sort of...

resonated.

Geordie is the most honest man you'll meet.

He'll tell you, whether you want to hear it or not, there's no
doubt about that.

He's got a pretty short fuse,

he's a perfect foil to Jaz, you know, that's why it worked.

Geordie and Jaz are the alchemical marriage.

Elementally they're really well balanced,

Geordie is earthy and fire-y and Jaz is air-y and watery

so they have the perfect alchemical material.

You get the theatrical Jaz you know with all his stance and all
that.

And you get Geordie, it's like he's playing a ballad on the side
of stage.

Their charts are really well linked.

Jaz has Jupiter in Sagittarius sits right

on all Geordie's planets in Sagittarius

and it's ascendant in Capricorn

so it's a hugely abundant creative relationship.

You have the feeling that nothing can touch Geordie.

Bless us,

and all who come on pilgrimage to Glastonbury

Guide our feet on the path of righteousness,

inspire us by your spirit...

I went to Glastonbury on February the 2nd 1982,

and I got the second transmission.

This transmission began with “Hraachmaa”,

this word which was 256, the number of the spider,

which has 256 kalas in the voodoo cult.

And actually, when I studied it more,

256 is the

'Spirit of the Mother'.

Within days of going to Glastonbury

I opened Tony Morrison's book Pathways of the Gods,

and there in front of me was the Spider at the Pampas de San
Jose,

with its abdomen intersected by a line

that was aligned to the constellation of Orion.

I worked out when, approximately,

the constellation of Orion would be coming over the horizon,

and went straight to the Pampas.

I arrived there two weeks before

the proposed time of ritual,

I pitched my tent behind a small hillock

and lived in a semi-primitive state.

Three days before the ritual I began my fast,

and then on the third day, after nightfall,

I made my way up one of the pathways I knew would
intersect with the Spider's abdomen.

When I arrived in the correct place, I began to play the drums

and immersed myself in mantra,

so I could get to the past and future place

of Universe B.

And again, a voice told me to start writing,

and the first word of the writing was “Tomenga”.

The quicksilver methodology of communication;

this is the third degree.

...out of the foam, fair and green...

I discovered that ordinary men and women

guard these vector points

where UFOs and UAVs

and hyper-dimensional entities manifest.

Right, that's where it was, right?

And when you come here, right watch this, this whole area
was static right?

There were at least nine or ten...

balls, glowing balls.

And then it starts flashing this image to us,

like pulsating but strobing like..."

It stayed in the air for ages didn't it? It didn't move away for a
while.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? I'm a military
man, I know this shit.

And one of them shot towards us...

This is after we've already, fucking, you know, like literally just
been like absorbed by this energy.

I found it quite bizarre how this first confrontation I had,

with something I believed deep down inside happened

in the presence ofJaz.

They flashed a symbol at us,

it's kind of weird, because I recognised the symbol,

it was like a matchstick man

with a line through his head.

That, experiencing in there, I think they knew me, Yeah, I felt
like I'd been looked at.

To Jaz it was something else.

Brighter than a Thousand Suns, that's when he was...

...trying to sing properly! Stop it.

It was a bit of a labour of love because I didn't choose to go
to Amsterdam to record the album,

it's the last place where I would have taken Killing Joke, Berlin
was dangerous enough.

LACK OF PRUNING RITUALS

ENSURING NO HIT SINGLES FLY HERE

Melody Maker, in its gossip column, printed this photograph
ofJaz

getting out of a swimming pool with all his hair sort of
squashed down

and was basically taking the piss out of him

because the single hadn't been the number one that
everyone had expected.

The Phone started ringing, it's Jaz at a hundred miles an hour
in my ear,

“Who's the person that wrote it? Who's the person that wrote
it? I'm going to get my pendulum and come up there,

I'm going to point it at everyone and find out who wrote
that."

I had been interviewing the band, and after Jaz said,

“Come with me I'm going to give you a good story...

So we jumped in a car, he tells the driver to stop

at a fishing tackle shop. He comes outwith a package,

we go on a bit further, and he stops at a butcher's shop,
comes outwith a package.

Phone call from reception,

"Oh Mat, I've got Jaz Coleman in reception for you shall I let
him in?"

”No, no, don't let him in!"

There was a security door where all the journalists from
Melody Maker were pressed up against the glass,

all staring, wide eyed, and none of them would dare come
out.

So I went out to the reception and Jaz was there, and was all
lovely Jaz you know,

he sort of put my arm round him and goes, “Ah Mat, pleased
to see you,

shall we go in?”and I said,

“You know I can't let you in there Jaz, because I know what's
going

to happen if I let you in there it's going to be chaos."And at
that point he just went crazy

He takes out this piece of liver from his jacket

and slaps this liver on the table,

then he takes out a tub of maggots and he dumps the
maggots over the liver...

and started throwing it all over the reception

these maggots just go crawling across this desk

the poor receptionist is screaming her head off.

DELIVER US FROM EVIL

And he had these scissors which he dug into the table

and recited some Latin and said

"I want this journalist to call and apologise for what he's
written about me."

Part of it was brilliant, part of it was frightening,

part of it was like, where the fuck is this going to end?

It was welcome to Jaz world, for everyone

in that reception that day.

Suddenly we're on all these pop shows around Europe

and the sort of, the other side of the coin.

Oh, this is a commercial band now.

It was nice you know,

it was like a little glittery thing

dancing in front of your eyes

but it didn't bring us any closer together,

if anything we got further apart from each other.

The Joke kind of lost control of their empire themselves,

it got very dissipated

and the reason I think it got dissipated was because

they didn't have any money, they were broke.

Night Time album was very successful

Brighter was, you know, relatively successful

the deal that they were sucked into, they were never going to
make any money.

They were just losing all the time.

They weren't going to be Top 10 every record,

you sign to a big label what do they want?

Why are they bothering to put money into you if you're not
going to pay them back with hits?

Yes we were under pressure,

Yes the record should be better than the last one,

Yes you should, you know, try and follow in the vein of Love
Like Blood or whatever,

but we'd just discovered an emotional

side that we wanted to pursue.

Killing Joke were stuck between...

at that point they were trying to be as independent

and as bloody minded as ever

but they also wouldn't have minded having number one hits,

I don't think you can have both.

For a label I think, they would have been one almighty
headache,

I'm sure.

I really liked the idea that we'd have this incredibly powerful
musical thing

and nobody would know ever who did it;

I thought it was a lovely idea,

but of course, you get on stage and you're all there what are
you going to do?

Play behind a screen?

Once people are interested in hearing

what the singer has to say, suddenly

you've got a cult of personality

and to a large extent I think that's why we eventually fell out.

It talks about an incandescent column of smoke and flame

brighter than a thousand suns...

I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong here

it was becoming more and more about ego,

and my ego was getting hurt.

IT'S NO JOKE

RAVEN AND FERGUSON QUIT KILLING JOKE

JAZ BUTCHERED

...the original line up, only you two I think?

There have been changes, there had to be changes,

The fact is we don't really want a sort of punk rhythm section

for the next eight years you know?

Some of his behaviour was an affront to me,

an affront to the band;

we couldn't be in the same room together.

We wanted a more articulate, funky, powerful rhythm section.

Did the other guys feel bad about it? Not at all we paid them
off... ha ha ha

And then of course, he started doing his solo material

which started costing an awful lot of money and the record
company said,

“Well no, this has to be a band project."

So I recorded drums with him not being there

and I refused to listen to any of the keyboards on the record
while I was doing it

which is just insane, I was playing completely out of time.

I got the message that the drum tracks were no good,

you'll have to pay for them and do them again,

and I just said, “Fuck it, I'm not going to." I just left the country.

I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT JAZ HAS HIS HEAD SO FAR UP
HIS ARSE NOW.

THERE'S TOO MUCH EGO STROKING GOING ON

JAZ STOPPED WRITING LYRICS WITH PAUL

THE WORDS BECAME A SERIES OF DEMENTED RANTINGS

I'M BONKERS!

As long as I'm alive, as long as Geordie's alive, Killing Joke is
alive,

right?

And it got to a stage with Jaz where he went into deep
depression,

he was being sued by the record company

if he ever walked out of his front door there'd be a person
with a writ there,

so he could never work again unless he started paying the bill
off.

He was terrified, he was in the middle of a nervous
breakdown

His passion and intensity is good, but invariably, you know,
you mix passion and intensity

with a big bag of drugs and a load of booze

and you're going to get someone going off the handle aren't
you really?

You have written, they're lying here on the floor, a symphony
and a book, you are quite a busy person.

That's right, my symphony I hope to have performed this
year,

in England I hope and the other side of the world... Can I
show it?

Sure. Is it really a symphony?

That's right... And then

then it was the beginning of his classical career.

Art of Noise supremo Anne Dudley

and Jaz Coleman, Killing Joke's founder member,

are an unlikely couple to see on the streets of Cairo.

They came here to record an album called Songs from the
Victorious City,

“Victorious City"being the literal translation of Cairo.

A mutual love of classical music

drew Dudley and Coleman together on this project;

he's a classically trained violinist

and she spent three years studying at the Royal College of
Music

When at first I met him he was very crazy.

Because he told me, “I want to learn about the Arabic music."

He wanted to know everything, you can see it in his eyes.

So I keep learning him for about ten days

after that, I was surprised he could write our Arabic

music, as one of us.

I didn't believe that he can make good harmony

between the Western and the Oriental music, but he has
done it.

He'd been playing me bits and pieces of symphonies that
he'd been writing

through the Joke sessions, but

this was the first time that it was a collaboration and
someone released it.

The biggest pop star in Egypt!

And then, of course, the depression disappeared

and Jaz's classical career was

just taking off right, left and centre.

This is called the Zep Symphony. Symphony; it's a symphony,

I tell you... ...the machinery is in place,

big record, London Philharmonic Orchestra,

and I'll take you, to the West, one go, tonight.

It was a surprise for me,

to find English people interested in our music...

He sat at the piano and I sat at the kanun and we tried to
make a relation.

Since this time I found he knows what he wants.

Good.

I heard that he was doing it, but I didn't get to hear it until the
end

and I thought he'd done a magnificent job

OK it was Led Zeppelin, but he'd brought Jaz Coleman to the
party;

Jaz is in there, alive and well.

Jaz, being classically trained, fantastic musician,

in the pages of the music press they didn't really deal with
that

I think a lot of the antagonism in the early days

was just journalists not understanding it.

He won the St Nicolas Award at the age of four

in the pop landscape of the time that meant for nothing
really.

It was just very easy for them to say, “Oh, well, he's mad isn't
he."And then sort of like, take the piss out of him,

but he wasn't mad, he was passionate.

You don't have to be Egyptian to enjoy Egyptian music, you
don't have to be

West Indian to enjoy Caribbean music;

it's whatever you identify with, spiritually.

Is Jaz religious?

Is he a Muslim? ...He must.

2000, JAZ COLEMAN WEDDING, MOROCCO

Everyone is Muslim.

They make themselves Christian or Jewish or...

but the religion it's one, it's one god, you believe or you don't
believe.

What do you think will happen to mankind?

It's finished, it must finish.

Everything has a start and have an end.

Our Prophet,

he's the last prophet.

Someone asked him about the day of the end,

“Between me and the end,

lies from this finger to the other one."

I don't know how much time from hereto here;

it doesn't make a difference for me, it's going to the end.

Did you prepare yourself for the end?

This is, this is the question.

When Egypt goes,

which it will do because of the decreasing geomagnetic field,

it's a kind of signal. And this was written

into the holiest books of the occult in modern times.

There's going to be a huge upheaval coming.

There will be fire and blood, in the Victorious City

Al Qahirah is the Victorious City.

We're at 0.05 gauss at the moment, and we're decreasing to 0
gauss,

as soon as we get close to 0 gauss,

they've done the tests on the astronauts,

this manifests in terms of random aggression and madness,
basically.

When Cairo

...falls,

we are a matter of, maybe a year at maximum, away from

...singularity.

Killing Joke is back...

The band that ties spirituality with primal violence has
reformed,

re-uniting with bassist Raven and joined by drummer Martin
Atkins,

who previously played with Public Image Limited.

They have major new music and major new ideas,

and they're getting no support from major record companies.

Well when they came back together, the band took complete
creative control,

they didn't listen to any outside pressure

We will make the record, then nobody will say anything to us.

It was good to see them angry again, it was less poetry,
more... more hate.

When Big Paul left Raven said,

“He made my job as easy as anything, all I had to do was turn
up when Big Paul was playing drums,

Martin was even more aggressive and intricate I would say.

There was a jazz element to Martin that really propelled the
band in a different direction.

Would you like to tell us what you've been doing in the sort of,
last few years when we haven't heard anything from Killing Joke?

It's probably been the worst two years of my life,

everybody in the band went through absolute hell,

we all got to the point where there was absolutely... we were
100% skint,

and I ended up in a psychiatric ward actually.

The BEAST IS BACK!

...any other handy missiles at the police and colliery
buildings,

the police responded by sending in a snatch squad.

The miners resisted and the police...

EXTREMITIES IS THE MORE INTENSE WORK TO DATE

IF THEY EVER TOP THIS

THEY ARE NOT GENIUSES, THEY ARE DEITIES

Jaz had been having a terrible time in the lead up to that
album,

he told me once that, he felt as if he'd been made of glass,

that he was actually possessed. And I think a lot of that fed
into that album

I think it's one of those great things that Killing Joke do, when
they're at the top of their game, is

mix what's going on, the turmoil inside the band,

with the turmoil that's going on in the political world,

they've done it a lot of times. ..

And it was the age of greed, it was the age of Thatcher
privatising everything;

gas, electricity, water, everything was being taken out of the
hands of the people.

Jaz being this fantastic romanticist European hated that,

on that album he rebelled against it brilliantly.

People need something to resemble the struggle they have
in

in trying to make a living today,

they need this level of intensity in the music and we provide
that.

It's strange that you really like the live work with Killing Joke
and yet with your

orchestral arrangements you've got to be right behind...

Oh he's a different person, completely different person,

he's got another name, I mean I call him Jaz but he's the other
Jaz,

he wears different clothes, that's another lifetime.

Whoever invented the jester persona for Jaz was

incredibly prophetic.

That stick where you turn, and one side's miserable and black

and the other sides a harlequin and all the rest of it; that's him

Jaz can be very calm and very collected...

"Don't fucking run away from me..."

Say it again... Say it again.

Is there another side to Jaz, can he freak out?

Yeah of course he can.

I'm the chosen boy, and you better fucking believe it you
fucker.

He's a very gentle reflective person inside,

I mean you wouldn't think that looking at Killing Joke

but inside, as you know...

He's quite introvert, and he worries, he worries a lot.

His mind is, you know, it's more dangerous than a computer
his mind

it's like... he never stops thinking.

...man is an aggressive, predatory beast...

Wall Street crash that happened six, six months ago

is going to reoccur again...

why do we focus our lives exclusively to the acquisition of
material possessions

when we won't be taking anything with us when we go?

He'll always hook onto something because it's almost verging
on paranoia in some ways,

he has a deep fear of something,

and he manifests it in different ways.

Right from the start he had this problem,

he would be listening to things

he'd be scared outside that

he had fears, and I wasn't sure why.

He was a chorister in a church choir,

he was so committed, they said he was quite spiritual.

He would get amazing reports from the Royal College of
Church Music

about this exceptional boy who could sing like a dream and
play like a dream.

He wasn't doing very well at school, but we knew that he had
talents.

I don't know whether I believe in lineage or inheritance or
caste,

but I do have Persian as well as Hindu in me; I'm a half-caste.

I was brought up in a very white, middle class town called
Cheltenham,

and I never felt like I was English here, I always felt like a
foreigner here,

I mean I was always in fights at school

and stuff, because I always felt odd, different.

That track, 'The Pandy's Are Coming',

it was really about, the first step in tackling my cultural
identity crisis,

which was this part of me that comes from the East,

didn't sit right in England at that time.

At that time, there were all these

“Jaz clones" as Youth calls it,

all these Asian kids with flat caps.

SOUTHALL RIOTS, ANTI-RACISM DEMONSTRATION 1979

Young Asians born in Great Britain they

have to be like, a good boy, a good girl

or otherwise, you step out of line,

and they'd all run away from home all these kids.

I used him as an inspiration to kids, and I say,

"This boy is supposed to have failed his music O level,

and yet he's able to conduct a symphony orchestra

and he's never been to a music college,

so what does it say?"

some say, “You don't know Killing Joke';

I say, “Yes I'm his Mum'; “You're his Mum?!",

I think he was kind of spawned

they don't think of him as having a Mum, especially someone
like me.

Spawn of the devil yeah right?

He's a very hot fish to handle artistically you know,

he's a difficult artist to work with

because he's so passionate and so uncompromising.

He can be absolutely lovely Jaz Coleman,

and he can be a complete and utter shit.

Wake up...

Intro...

Even knowing him really well, you know, there always comes
a point where

he starts physically threatening me or someone there, you
know,

with violence.

Take that fucking out, we're recording.

Alright tell me where the drums... Take the last one out.

It's happened on all our projects,

I think on the Pink Floyd one he threatened to slash the A&R
man's face

if he made one edit to... Oh no, that was the Zeppelin one...

If he edited this twenty minute version of 'Whole Lotta Love'

which we didn't use at all in the end...

You know, so when he's like that there's just no reasoning
with him

he just becomes a bit of a dictator and he expects everybody
just to recognise

recognise his genius and do what he says.

OK, brilliant, OK

OK let's just fly that into the chorus,

really good Jaz...

Did you get all that? ...Everything!

Matt and I know fine well that dealing with Jaz a lot of the
time is like,

“Right, I'm going to Peru, I'm going to record, in a cave, in
Peru,

to invocate something or another and like... that's a real
conversation.

And there's a bit of you that sort of sits there and thinks,
“Why... Why do you want to go to Peru?"

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB, YOU CUNT, MAKE ME SOUND LIKE
GOD

When you're manage him sometimes you sit, and you look at each
other, and you're like, ”Is this guy completely fucking crazy?"

And then a part of you thinks,

“Or is he manipulating this entire situation?"

A good example of that is the trip to Egypt;

the story is just fantastic,

who goes to record in the King's Chamber

of the Great Pyramids of Giza? I'll tell you; nobody.

If there was ever a dangerous time in your life believe it or not
it'd be now...

seriously.

SILENCE

We wanted to do this recording in the Pyramids.

Mary, our main contact, described herself as a white witch.

She said she'd have to interview us

to ascertain our intentions were correct.

We had this interview and the guy goes, “What do you want
to do?"

and Jaz goes, "I want to do an exorcism"

and he goes, “You're not Satanists are you?"

"I don't believe in Satan, so how can I be a Satanist?

Do you?",

”No I don't”

and Jaz goes, “Well how can I be a Satanist?"

and everybody laughed and that was it and we were in.

This is where major leys start and end isn't it?

On the planet earth.

The Pyramids weren't sited randomly,

it is indeed a huge marker peg for all the rest of the grid on
the entire planet.

This is the Great Navel of the Earth,

high energy; don't need drugs in here, you don't.

Hello, Hello, Hello

The energy is very high in Cairo and around the Pyramids.

It's almost like you don't need to sleep there,

Jaz thrives on that.

I think we can go in the Queen's Chamber while you're doing
your vocals, OK?

Jaz is going in.

Once you enter the King's Chamber, the harmonics in that
room are just incredible.

You had to whisper to each other because it just bounces off
the walls.

First battery pack we put in the DAT machines just went flat
straight away.

The second battery we put in went flat straight away.

The camera started playing up...

It was a terrible session, Jaz broke down, he'd drunk too
much,

there was too many people around,

all this weird stuff was going on we got nothing.

The next day I kind of took the reins a bit and said, look,

let's do it a bit more ritually...

We light the candles...

...let's have three guys in the King's Chamber,

everybody else can wait out in the corridors.

We'll do a ceremony and we'll ritualise it and then, we'll see
what happens.

In ...this moment in our lives.

We come to absorb... Spirit

and purify ourselves.

Jaz did a prayer, saying that we came in peace

and we wanted to do it in a good way.

Mary and the girls had suddenly turned up at the Pyramids in
this full

Egyptian ceremonial dress.

3217. and

these people around doing

I think, they're doing something not right.

The energy changed in the room straight away,

you could cut the air with a knife.

It was time when Sirius was rising in the sky in August,

that really helped, and the girls held the energy down there
in the Queen's Chamber,

and created the right resonance and vibration for us

to access that portal.

We had like, two hours of fantastic recording with

Jaz bellowing from the darkest agony of his soul.

I could feel myself elevating,

Jaz was watching me and he was like... His eyes were getting
bigger and bigger and

he reckons that I lifted off the ground.

Our recording engineer, Sameh, was Egyptian,

he'd never been in the Pyramid before, he was sort of a little
bit...

Not scared but, it didn't interest him to go there, ever.

At one point he nodded off.

I found sleep. That's what I remember that for five minutes,
four minutes,

my eyes closed.

When he awoke he jumped up, hit his head on the beam

and ran for the door.

I stopped him and said, “Are you OK?"and he said, “Yeah, yeah
I'm fine

but the Eye of Horus was coming after me.

These eyes I remember them,

it was shiny eyes, coming like this and

would look at me and go

It was scary really, actually.

These eyes...

It comes to my dreams many times;

from this day I never go to the Pyramids again.

It was a really, really powerful experience, you know,

for me personally and musically it was incredible.

I've known Jaz for about five years.

He tried to fight me once...

He was rolling his eyes around and freaking out,

he was going to chop my head off.

Do you know Killing Joke recorded in these Pyramids?

Jaz told me all about it at the time,

what a great coup

This is one of the major points

points of reference of history

I don't believe that this is 2800bc,

it's not, it's a lot older. The science isn't human,

the science is mathematics that

mankind is only now understanding.

The whole point of our civilisation isn't human.

What is this civilization about and who or what could have
created it?

It's basically structured around the Tree of Life,

everything that every human being knows, the way they
think

think is attached to this Tree of Life,

and the whole of everything that is attached to this tree,

will always work for the aim of number one.

One being the unity of everything that's held within it,

so we're all attached to a matrix.

Now this matrix, really,

I mean it's very, very, very difficult to believe

that any human being could ever have conceived of this.

They're making something else, something big,

something that none of us are going to have any free will
about

we're not going to have any free will once we're attached, at
all,

look at the ant, look at the termite.

This is the brave new world we're entering.

...there, science fiction twenty years ago

but a biometric reality today.

I fervently believe that the western governments,

the only way that they're going to control the masses during
the changes that are going ahead,

is going to be humans having implants.

Technology has developed to an extent that

it's a reality we're a matter of years away from the situation,

I think it's beyond paranoia.

NEW ZEALAND

Jaz Coleman and Killing Joke record their next album in
Auckland,

in Coleman's new recording studio, next month.

PANDEMONIUM, A 10-PAK OF PESTILENCE

KILLING JOKE HAVE RETURNED WITH A VENGEANCE,

THE END MUST BE NEAR

I had worked with Jaz on an album from my own band,
Shihad, he had produced that album, which

which he did a fantastic job of,

when Killing Joke turned up, that's when it all started going
fucking sideways.

Jaz had this mike set up, I think it was called the cunt mike,

it was just a microphone patched in, so he could abuse us

as we were tracking drums!

”Oh yeah, you've got to yell fuck at me while I play, that's fine,
you go right ahead you know.

Paul Ferguson and Martin Atkins, you know, they were huge
heroes of mine

who had influenced a whole series of other drummers that I
was really into,

Mike Bordin, of Faith No More...

It was a strange turn of events to find yourself in that cycle of
creation,

after having watched it from afar

and from, you know, the bottom of the world.

I mean that was a genetic thread that Killing Joke started
with drumming

where they brought that tribal thing into aggressive, high
energy music.

READ MY APOCALYPSE

A lot of people who got into Pandemonium thought it was
Killing Joke's first album,

I bet that's happened to them four or five times in their
career.

There's not many bands that get more and more ferocious,

and harder, and more fucked up the older they get.

It was back to them sounding unique,

and not trying to have pop hits.

PANDEMONIUM IS WHAT MIGHT BE CALLED A
WORK-IN-PROGRESS...

GOD KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF IT IS EVER COMPLETED

Youth sort of reappeared,

there was sort of confusion as to whether it was Youth and
Raven, or, was Raven out, or what now?

Again it was that thing of chaos in the background.

We're coming from all different directions

directions and, you know, for a while it only worked when we
played music,

and the rest of the time there was a bunch of turbulence. ..

still is.

Youth's sort of popped in and out of the band over the years
really.

Youth came to me and said “I want to get another band
together",

I said “Well what do you want to do that for? You should be a
producer",

and he said, ”Oh, you think I should be a producer?", I said,
”Yeah, you could be.",

he's made a great career out of being that.

Youth produced everything from Urban Hymns

to Paul McCartney,

I think the records... Not all the time, bearing in mind Night
Time was nothing to do with Youth, you know...

but I think that when he comes back in, even if he's not firmly
at the controls of it,

even if he's not literally the guy on the desk turning it,

he sort of puts a bit of something into it... A bit of producer
magic into it.

Youth's making money!

I said to him, “Oh, I bet you're quite chuffed then", because,
like, you know

he did the Verve album and the first two singles go straight to
number 1.

And he kind of sits there, sort of, ”Yeah mate", you know what
he's like.

He's the guy, that, when all the rest of them aren't talking to
each other for whatever reason,

they all still talk to Youth.

Taking that symbol,

we use the water, the sign of Christ,

1999 YORK STREET STUDIOS OPENING

To cleanse it.

He came in like a bull at the gate,

trying to, I don't know, stir emotions, stir something.

I want to start the debate in this country;

what is Kiwi music?

And he set up York Street Studios with the help of a few other
people,

which really gave a boost to New Zealand music, I mean,

they would never admit to that.

I first met Jaz

at the opening of the York Street Recording Studio,

he was really keen to do some recording together...

...and he was really adamant when we first worked on
Oceania

that that music was to be about

the essence of this country.

He didn't really care what people thought of him, it seemed.

A real, sincere desire to understand the indigenous people
and the culture

was very apparent,

because I don't think in the early 90's we were really doing
that

as a general thing,

and I think that was,

kind of, punctuated, when I sang the national anthem in
Maori

at the Rugby World Cup,

because the response to that was so extraordinary.

“Men of every creed and race, gather here before thy face",

that's how the second verse of 'God Defend New Zealand'
starts.

Ironic, then, that when the Maori Hinewehi Mohi

delivered her national song at Twickenham on Saturday

it didn't go down well with thousands of New Zealand rugby
fans...

This representative of the Rugby Union came and said,

“We'd really like you to do an English version';

and Jaz goes, “NO!

She only knows that version and that's the version she's
going to do"

What is the point of singing a national anthem in a language

that most of the population can't understand?

The decision to sing it in Maori was a musical decision, not a
political one,

it's just that, I mean, you've got to listen to this girl's voice...

“You can't be singing it in English, you've got to be singing it
in Maori

because we've got to make that statement"

It's all about music you know, this is the issue...

if he's feeling passionate about that needing to be made as a
statement,

then I smell trouble!

But I didn't smell the trouble to the extent that it panned out.

It suddenly turned into this controversy

I suddenly realised that we weren't so far along with our
cultural understanding

as I would have liked us to have been.

This is your CD! ...OK! That's enough plugging!

Jaz was really delighted because he copes with controversy
so much better than me!

He'd make a good politician, because politicians have that
two sides to them, you know,

he can play the game, Jaz can do that... He wouldn't make a
good priest.

This was on the Gathering message board,

"I heard recently, that Jaz had found God."

We can't escape what we are,

far better to study our holy texts...

“The sun is rising in the east, the beginning of a new day for
mankind,

my eyes were open to see the divine mysteries

of the church of Killing Joke,

the chosen anointed prophet of God,

Jeremy Jaz Coleman, beloved of the most high",

Now if you fucking put me in this film that that's coming from
me you're fucking dead I tell you!

Ateh, Malkuth, ve-Geburah, ve-Gedulah, le-Olam,

we have a fifty percent chance of survival to the end of the
century...

Give me strength...

The male sperm count is getting lower and lower...

We are, as males, an extinct species...

The elite are preparing for the inevitable...

and Jesus entered the temple, and began to drive out those
who sold...

Christ said, "I come not

the olive branch but with a sword!"

If we look at the Old Testament, in the cold light of day,

in relation...

to the UFO issue.

Genesis chapter 6, verse 4...

“And there were giants in the earth in those days and when
the sons of God...

came in unto the daughters of men,

great men were born men of renown.

And so we have the argument of the interventionists, so. ..

Oh, you want to hear an amazing dream I had? Listen to this,
here's one of my favorite UFO dreams...

it was kind of a harbour... the sky, like, fucking
imploded...

you could see all of these different spacecraft shooting
from side to side,

UFOs everywhere... Like Fatima... all over the place...

Holy fucking shit...

They started showing these, propaganda films...

it was finally explaining the evolution of man,

and how it was aided by these, aliens.

Here!

Cheers.

I got to take a piss.

Jaz can be many people with his singing,

and he just decided to be, you know, the voice of Satan;

THE MOST VICIOUS ALBUM OF THE YEAR

That was an incredible album. I really, really thought that was
an incredibly powerful album.

Andy Gill from the Gang of Four produced it,

Youth played on it, Dave Grohl was on drums.

I'm just doing the drums, they've finished the whole record...

Yeah it's the first record I've ever done where the drums come
last.

Grohl's drumming was, funnily enough

it's almost like a, an amalgam of Martin Atkins and Big Paul's,

because it has that technical proficiency that Atkins has, and
that sort of strangeness,

combined with the sheer wallop that Big Paul has.

Full volume! Yeah.

When I heard that Dave Grohl was playing drums,

I thought, “Yeah bollocks, another fucking Jaz and Geordie
scam';

but, if anyone can do it, they can do it...

Eh Dave?

Here you go, here you go.

This ones for

for the God of Fertility.

Call up, get through, and say, “Oi, you cunt, you fucking, you
owe us

for that fucking song that made you so... I want you to play
drums!"

What about Eighties? Look in the camera!

Look in the camera!

What the fuck are we going to do about Eighties?

Dave Grohl did it for nothing,

you know, I mean, was Nirvana influenced by Killing Joke?
Absolutely.

We were all blown away,

someone said, like, here's that new Killing Joke...

Put it into the CD,

it was what we listened to every night before we would go on
stage.

Every night we would listen to that fucking CD, those six
songs,

to the point where, when we hit the stage we were already
sweating.

Ha ha ha...

You tell him I'm an asteroid, fuck you.

A friend of mine was playing keyboards for Killing Joke...

he started getting quite scared about, I think, touring with
these guys,

and he asked me about taking over for a couple of tours here
and there

while he was doing other things and so I decided to do it...

Joined the band in Prague,

and even being driven from the airport to the studio

studio the person driving me was saying, “Are you sure you're
ready for this?"

After the whole national anthem thing at the Rugby World
Cup

things got pretty ugly,

and I got death threats from rednecks in New Zealand.

Killing Joke had played in Prague very shortly after the
revolution,

and I wanted to return to Prague.

After this things happened at breakneck speed

The Prague Symphony Orchestra

offered me the position of Composer in Residence

I ended up doing the Cechomor album,'Promeny',

which went on to get

three Grammys,

a movie was made about it

that won the Carlsbad

International Film Festival.

And behind all

the veneer of

going to Prague because it's

a Mecca for great composers like

Mozart and Beethoven,

was the fact that Prague,

the Golden City,

held the secrets of the mystery tradition,

and at the heart of this city,

the birth of the Rosicrucian tradition,

and the mysteries of

life and death itself.

Here at Obecni Dum

we are no more than forty metres from

the Black Madonna of Celetna.

These Black Madonnas

have curious properties,

the Knights Templar

situated them over underground streams

following similar principles of acupuncture,

like needles going into the veins

of the body of the god;

releases energy.

All who live here,

all their thoughts are amplified.

Of course,

the energy in these areas

sends some people mad.

Blood was shed during that album and not like,

fisticuffs and tea cups;

they fucked each other up at times

during that record,

the drummer nearly couldn't play drums anymore

particular incident, you know,

it was pretty dark.

I don't play that album anymore

because it's quite stressful to listen to...

I've never listened to it once.

It was an insane recording

where everybody went absolutely crazy

in Prague on every level.

There was drugs and alcohol,

a lot of things in the mix at that time.

It was a non stop binge pretty much

for the first few months.

Blind drunk or argumentative is Jaz Coleman and Geordie,

that's it,

yeah I think they have a self destruct button.

Jaz Coleman,

Ya...

the man they call Jaz Coleman anyway...

oh look...

All Blacks.

When Paul left,

right before we went on tour with Hosannas,

he went and joined Ministry,

which caused a lot of friction in the band.

That's three times he's done this to me

in twenty four years.

How do you think I feel?

He cares nothing for friendship.

He tried to fuck us,

and more than that,

he tried to take our keyboard player

for the Ministry tour.

He tried to kill Killing Joke,

and if I ever see him,

either I die,

or he dies.

Paul had left a number of times

it was part of what happened in Killing Joke you know,

so, there was always an expectation

that Paul would come back at some point.

Raven would return to that band after

terrible things have happened between them,

I remember him talking about

the Outside the Gate album and how, you know,

Jaz was obviously using Gematria

and Raven said,

“lf you want a hit record phone Stock,

Aitken and Waterman, don't phone the Devil.

And then they're playing together again on

Various Repressed Emotions.

It's a love/hate thing it's not just...

It's family basically,

once it's family there's no escape from it,

it's there forever,

and Raven was a latecomer but...

I think Raven's death

was such a shock to everyone,

it's one of those things which

which makes everybody take stock

and think about this thing

which is Killing Joke.

When that obituary went out it was published...

online and offline

on just about every publication

on the planet.

We always knew the reach of the band,

but I think we sort of looked at each other and thought,

blimey, it's like people really

do give a fuck about this band

and they really did give a fuck about Paul.

Ah, that's great actually.

Yeah, my lettering, thanks Mike,

thanks for the fucking nod in.

We used to have this phrase,

"walking at a thousand miles an hour towards death

and together we both go,

grinning as we go.

Because death is like, always around the corner and

people are always passing but

I didn't, kind of,

foresee the youngest of us going.

Paul lived his life like a pirate so I think

we'd all be lying if we said that,

yes it was a shock, but, you know...

In hindsight, you know,

Paul lived the way that he liked to live.

Obviously it was sadder

for the family and for his kids

than it was for Paul,

but you know, you're big boys

you know the game.

Looks just like you mate.

Thanks.

What do I make of Paul?

I miss him,

had some fucking...

'excuse me,

had some really beautiful times with him.

In his own way he had a

a really magnetic, bass playing,

Capricorn,

walk all over you but I'll love you,

way about him;

I love the man.

Great to see you.

After Paul had died and we were in Geneva,

the first time Jaz and Paul had seen each other

for a large number of years at that point.

Killing Joke had been a pain

in the pit of my stomach for years.

Every year, without fail,

something would come along

that would just needle the hell out of me.

It would be a new record, a new tour,

a different drummer, this, that and the other,

it was exhausting me,

because,

when I could stomach it,

I'd listen to a record,

and it was like nothing had changed

and I felt like I was on the record.

The only thing I'd ever played,

really, for was Killing Joke,

you know, don't ask me to join a cover band.

So I went and pursued my other interests

of art restoration

and I put down sticks.

It was only when Raven died

that I realised I'd let it go,

once I'd let it go

it was no problem to see Jaz,

and there we were, it was a funeral for our brother...

Geordie said, “Well,

do you fancy giving it another kick?"

and I said, ”Yeah, yeah",

not really taking it that seriously,

and then of course, they were serious.
and then of course, they were serious.

Paul said to me, "Well,

took me ten years of therapy to get over that lot,

you know what I mean?

And now you're asking me to come back in!”

On a very sad occasion

it was good that something good came out of it.

It's the ritual you see?

Seriously, that's what they really believe,

that that ritual that started them

is what brings them back together

and ultimately completes the circle.

Raven had always said to me,

“Jaz, if you get the chance to do the original line up do it!"

so it felt like, kind of,

the whole thing was blessed by him.

I felt his presence

with me

at this time,

I felt him in the room, this presence.

Absolute Dissent put in somewhere?

What about something like Exit?

When Paul first joined I thought he was deliberately putting
sticks

in the wheels of things,

you really, almost, couldn't do anything,

without Paul going, like

"I'm not into that"or whatever else...

You suddenly had the realisation,

”You really are Killing Jake's drummer aren't you?"

But the intensity of the four of them's relationship,

even if they were just mates

that worked in a factory,

it's very full on

and they've had massive effects,

positively and negatively,

on each other's lives,

and Paul coming back into the fold,

he was just trying to map out

every little thing so he didn't get fucked.

And I don't mean get fucked by the three of the band

or by us two,

but like,

in his head almost, so he didn't let himself go

down one of the corridors

that he'd been down in the past.

It's an absurd thing to have been away from

a rock band for so long,

to step back into this world,

but I felt that

we could see if we could find

a common ground again to express

the things that I need to express in life,

with the way things are going

with the corporate elite,

with the

police state that we're living in.

I want to hammer out the drums and scream

with rage...

and that's where Killing Joke started

and!

That's why I'm back, you know.

I remember asking Jaz, what it was about

Killing Joke's music that kept people coming back,

and Jaz saying,

“Oh you're talking about the fifth member",

and I said, ”Am I?"

and he said, “Yes, when I talk about my managers

people think I'm talking about somebody made of flesh and
blood,

that's not what I'm talking about.

If you know the fifth member

then

you will keep coming back to him or Killing Joke."

The fifth member being?

The Force.

In a way it made sense, because,

you know, I'd been listening to this music

since I was fourteen years old,

and I kept coming back.

Just about everybody in Killing Joke has been sent mad,

has been burnt by this fire,

and!

I've got to be honest

I was really angry and I felt that

Paul had betrayed us but...

That can't explain the entirety of Paul

and all the years, I probably spent more time with him

than any other human being on the planet.

Prepared myself for Pradakshina, or Giri Valam,

which is, basically, you walk around

the fifty two shrines of the Holy Mountain

in south India.

And I took Paul's ashes

to the High Priest at the temple,

and!

And, they did this huge fire ritual

to Agni,

and then I got taken to this river,

and I put the flowers in the river,

the sacred river

and I let Paul's ashes go.

And then I knew he'd got through,

right the way to the other side.

In '81, '82, when

I became inflamed by this idea,

my colleagues were well aware of it,

and everyone thought I was,

justifiably, mad.

Examining all the different references

to the island,

references to a southern island in

Dante's Divine Comedy,

Francis Bacon's New Atlantis,

where he describes an island, again,

in the Pacific,

that would survive the great combustion.

The reference to an island

in Crowley's Book of the Law.

Then there was the Fulcanelli Group

in The Mystery of the Cathedrals

where they refer to

the Northern Hemisphere being destroyed by fire...

The island is imaginary but periodically

it has a reflex action on the Earth...

...and that island, Cythera,

becomes very real,

and the players in the dream

become gods,

and that,

that's my reality,

and everybody has to accept that

a madman's dreams

not only became true but engulfed them also.

One interview I did with them

he said,“I've found Killing Joke island",

as the Gatherer's now call it.

And he said, “Mum!

I've found it."

Geordie found the place didn't he?

Because they're fishermen they like to fish,

that's where Jeremy found his way he said.

Choose ye an island, fortify it;

well I mean he said that several times...

...he believed that island was here in New Zealand,

and I believe that too.

There's all sorts of legends about New Zealand

being an ancient part of that motherland,

and also legends about volcanic activity

and land rising again too,

and some of these things I've checked out scientifically,

So,

it's not a matter of if it's going to happen,

it's when it's going to happen.

Where is it exactly?

I see the earth rising, a second time,

out of the foam, fair and green,

down from the fells,

fish to capture,

wings to eagle,

water to flow.

There's something

about the island

that's absent in everything

we've done with Killing Joke,

in the same way

we've never done a single love song

in Killing Joke.

Cythera

almost gives it away,

well people just see you as

stark, raving mad,

and then they're forced to accept

what you dreamt

was a reality;

this is a victory.

2012, MrJaz Coleman

who leads all things Killing Joke.

I don't think it's the end of the world

I've got to be clear about this,

we're told by all the indigenous cultures

that there's going to be a huge upheaval.

Economically none of our cash is redeemed by gold,

it doesn't add up,

people are in debt,

and they're tired,

and they don't know how to feed their families,

we cannot trust the food in the supermarkets,

two thirds of the world on

one dollar a day and less,

and this is increasing,

we can see that the West

has lost all moral authority;

if there's going to be any legacy of Killing Joke

it's about self-educating.

Every artist is an initiate

who knows the point of exchange

between the spiritual world and the material world...

...as you are familiar with the Kabbalah,

like Tiphareth, the beauty who reigns

at the centre of the Tree of Life;

Jeremy Jaz Coleman

I knight you with the

National Order of Arts and Letters.

The higher you go to the forces of light,

the lower you must plunge

to the forces of darkness simultaneously.

The darkness that others have perceived,

is simply the individuated personality,

which others suppress,

but we do not.

We consciously release our dark sides

within

the music.

Christ, you're in your fucking 50's,

you get your band back together,

there's still people interested...

Raven aside, you know,

we've survived,

and that in itself is success...

Can we not

abuse the fucking privilege?

It's a fucking gift from the gods,

it is,

that's the only way I can look at it.

Killing Joke is my life,

my world,

everything.

I saw them in the 80's,

brought up with them in the 80's,

and I brought my children tonight to see them,

and I think I've converted them.

If you cut my soul in half,

and you went like that,

it would sound like Killing Joke.

Give us inspiration,

give us strength, give us courage.

Big Paul once said,

it's the sound of the Earth vomiting,

and it kind of is,

and more than that, because,

this was born in a very conscious way

into being something more than entertainment.

This is why the band

Stay. .-...

absolutely true to everything

they ever were because

they were born in ritual.

In the beginning of Killing Joke,

Killing Joke represented

the feeling of

having no control

over your destiny,

but over the years

Killing Joke became

the laughter, of knowing,

that one has total control

over one's destiny.
that one has total control

over one's destiny.