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there's always been makeup effects in my
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way the other every time you see a trick
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of some sort on the screen like a
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monster or somebody had to design it
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make it up make it work and throughout
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the years it's evolved along the cinema
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creative people like to go beyond the
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real into the surreal and into the
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imaginative when you go beyond the real
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world and show an audience something
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beyond what they can imagine that's a
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pretty exciting and fantastic thing
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there is an enormous power of a human
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being in a mask and it goes way back
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into our ancient history because the
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humanity is in there but you can't quite
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tell what it's feeling and it has the
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shield against you I mean if you can
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find something that where you look in
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the mirror and you go that's it you know
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I mean that's the beauty of prosthetics
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growing up I was obsessed with makeup
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effects and in fact I remember and my
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bar mitzva I was sawed in half of the
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chainsaw
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you know I think a lot of people don't
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think about the fact that when you watch
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mainstream movies there are makeup
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effects peppered throughout a lot of
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those films you have something as simple
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as out of the kit makeups you have
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prosthetics that can either age someone
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make them fat make them look like a
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creature then you also get into a whole
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other aspect which is fake bodies
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animatronics puppetry fake animals a
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fake beagle from underdog we've done
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everything from bodies being
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electrocuted in The Green Mile to a fat
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suit on Mike Myers for Austin Powers so
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every single film offers a different
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challenge and a new challenge I've been
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friends with Richard Taylor from Wetty
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forever
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and when they were doing Lord of the
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Rings I'd go and visit and they were so
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like immersed in that world you know
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what would happen was Richard Taylor had
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been approached about doing Narnia he
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was in the middle of King Kong and he
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said listen you should call K&B talk to
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Howard to talk to Greg
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those guys would certainly be up for the
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challenge if nothing else we had six
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months to prep and I was off with a
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crude to New Zealand for nine months
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Narnia we were responsible for building
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an army actually two armies of warring
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creatures and I'll tell you I've worked
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on a lot of big projects in the 25 years
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I've done this and nothing has been as
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big as Narnia nothing you deal with a
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movie like Chronicles of Narnia and
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there's a hundred people in faun makeup
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sent our makeup Seder makeup it was such
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a daunting overwhelming task the genius
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of great makeup obviously is you don't
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really guy you can't really tell I mean
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my wife would come to set and like get
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really close to me and stare at it like
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she had never but she was looking at me
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for the first time you don't know where
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it stops and where I started you really
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start to enter that Narnian world that
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fantasy world when you start putting on
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this
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Mieke we had cast james really late in
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the game which was making me nervous I
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needed so I need an X amount of time to
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get James his makeup and designed out
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and on so I was terrified like I was
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losing sleep up until that point it was
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the very first thing we shot was mr.
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Tumnus for us but finally once Andrew
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said that's it we nailed I was like huh
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thank goodness in fact you know you
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shoot for nine months it's sort of more
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commonplace to see somebody in makeup
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and see somebody not in makeup but it is
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funny being in the middle of a field in
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the Czech Republic with all these guys
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with like centaur hoods on and they lift
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it up and they start smoking and it's
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very fellini-esque
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I have three kids and they love the
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books and they were just excited the
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fact that I got called in to do this
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that was really Cocos up until this
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point there's nothing they could see
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that I've worked on at all which is kind
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of sad well you know proud of the work
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you're doing but you can really can't
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sorry guys you can't go see hostile the
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animals in Narnia just captured my heart
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you know and for for that to transcend
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that bridge of reality for us so that we
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can relate to it on a heart level as
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another entity is I think amazing from
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that of course nominations for the
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BAFTAs and for the Oscars and we're all
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that land it just was the best
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experience I could ever wish for
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I really enjoy working with Michael he's
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great visionary and I think that he's
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he's a demanding director as every other
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director that I've ever worked with is
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they want the best the challenge of
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Michael Bay is that electricity as much
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stuff real in front of the cameras
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humanly possible we actually meet I
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think about 160 bodies on that movie all
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told from the room where all the body is
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getting educated with all the different
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TV screens and then there was the pod
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room where we had 40 different bodies
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and different stages of development the
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idea really was where you're growing
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human bodies so we wanted to be able to
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see how these bodies were created from
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the inside out
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and we had bodies that were literally
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just like a heart and a beating
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circulatory system in a human shape
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inside a sealed plastic bag filled with
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water and we made partially clear
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intestines hearts and things like that
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that we actually put inside that so what
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you basically had was a completely
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see-through body and then the last
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minute we had to actually add in some
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movement which we couldn't quite figure
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out how to do that in a sealed plastic
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bag but we ran stuff through the
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umbilicals to make it look like they
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were sucking their thumbs and things
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like that everything had to be lit from
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below you know I mean if it was just lit
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from above you would have never seen any
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of the details like we wanted everything
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to look translucent the only way you can
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tell if it's translucent is if there's
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light shining through it so we have
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these plastic bins with lights in them
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and then we'd sit the bodies on them and
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then we'd have to fill the plastic
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containers with water
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so basically we're submerging them and
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then we'd bleed all the air out and then
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screw the caps on then where the tube
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suck the rest of the air out so that we
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didn't have bubbles it was like giant
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breast implants with bodies inside of
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transformers what our assignment was and
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that was to come up with the frenzied
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puppet which had six different names
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before we started doing it because the
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script was have top secret at the time
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and we had to figure out a way how to
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make this computer design
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puppet that when you design stuff on a
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computer it's not really taken into
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account a lot of things for the real
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world so there are parts that would fold
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in on itself that would just disappear
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in the design and in the animatics that
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we had actually made function in real
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life so we started talking about it and
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I said well you know what if this is a
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big CGI movie anyway
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we could get a lot more life out of this
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puppet if we made it a rod puppet so
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basically you're built you're taking
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rods out of the corners of the elbows
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out of the back of the head so that you
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have puppeteers in the shot that can
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actually get more dramatic movement in a
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larger range of movement so we got on
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set Michael saw that it instantly was
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like wow I can shoot you use this for a
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lot more shots and I can shoot this and
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I could shoot that and I can do a lot
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more with it and it gave him a tool we
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had a remote-control cable operated
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frenzied puppet and they used it a lot
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in the film and it's actually cut
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directly from CG shots to our puppet in
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there really ultimately our job is you
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got to provide the director with as as
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many tools as you can you know the
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directors the directors the painter and
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you got to give him the paint and the
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brush and then maybe if you got a
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palette knife maybe he found this all of
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a sudden if you're giving the director
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more tools for him to do a better job
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then he can paint a better picture
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I know Darabont for years had been
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planning to do the mist he'd written the
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script and it was on again off again for
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at least 10 15 years initially the film
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was was a higher budgeted movie but a
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lot of studio people were concerned
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about the end of the film which was a
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very strong ending a very bold ending
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which a lot of people myself included
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respect Frank for sticking to his
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creative guns this was a movie he wanted
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to make and he finally got the chance to
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do it but it was on a very limited
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budget when we shot that whole film in
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36 days that was part of
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the pleasure of this particular exercise
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for me I said that as a goal as well
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which is doing an impossible schedule
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with that benefit of enormous funds
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rather than pretending you're making a
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low-budget horror movie and spending a
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lot of money doing it let's really make
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a low-budget horror movie I love that
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it's got a 50 sensibility and it feels
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very timeless and yet it it's supposed
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to take place today Frank had always had
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the intention that it was going to be a
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heavy CGI movie but that he wanted to
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augment with puppet pieces and and have
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us design everything and build it and
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then the visual effects people would
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take their cue off of what we were
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designing and building we played with
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those ideas that that the tentacles
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would unfurl and then do these little
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hooks and once I'd actually grab and
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pull the meat in and then there's these
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little sea anenome that would chew on
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everything challenge where the effects
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were concerned because the effects on
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that were a combination of some can be
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practical stuff and a lot of really
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excellent CGI work from Caffe effects
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and and the real challenge there was
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mesh the practical effects and the
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computer effects in a in a happy way my
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personal contributions to the nest I
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think the most unusual contribution was
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I was what they called the green hand
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they painted my hand green and they put
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ingenious a little um cable ties that
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they cut at angles and my job was to you
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know simulate the tentacle coming in and
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then going right above the actors chest
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which had a big balloon of you know
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blood and I would grab it and pop it and
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pull all the flesh off and and that got
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in place with the CGI tentacles everyone
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knew that it was blood time when I
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showed up with a big green arm you know
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walking around hey blood today Shannon
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and arms green that means we're gonna do
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some blood today
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and Cindy's wonderful in this the
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technology is fantastic and ever-growing
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but I think sometimes it's overused and
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where it's really good is where it just
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augments well what if what already
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exists
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I like the stuff in front of the camera
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I like it in camera which is becoming
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less used I'm like one of those people
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who actually love CGI I think it's a
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great great tool I still do like
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animatronics but there's a fine line
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with it because it's it's its
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capabilities are limited you know you
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can't really have something flying down
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a supermarket aisle as an animatronic
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creature and have it really be
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believable you're really much better off
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with computer graphics also - combining
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it with live-action creature effects is
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the best of both worlds because actually
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when you make a monster and it's in the
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room in front of the camera it's
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undeniably there and the audience
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actually oddly enough knows that - until
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CG becomes utterly convincing as a
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physical presence
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I think physical effects will always be
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better just because they have a presence
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them and a solidity to them which CG as
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yet can't quite duplicate I was on a set
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of a movie that was doing a comic book
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and they were doing it in motion capture
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so you know the actors will the stuff
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attached to them doing all this stuff
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and you're seeing these cartoon
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characters you respond so I was talking
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to the director and he was saying it
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goes yeah you see a thing like this you
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can really do a graphic novel or a comic
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book exactly the way it was done like if
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you want to do braids right since
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Frankenstein you know if you knew it and
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every shot will be burning race this
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Frankenstein that's never been done
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before he goes well Sin City kind of did
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it all right close to it and I didn't
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contradict him but I'm thinking no since
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that he did it exactly what you're
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talking about
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Sin City especially with the character
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of Marv would be the perfect candidate
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for a motion capture thing because it's
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like oh who can play that but we could
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we can just draw that character and have
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a guy walk through it then it'll be
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perfect except it wouldn't have that
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make you work
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performance so I would didn't do that he
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actually cast an actor and turned him
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into Marv and Micky work was great and
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it's why everyone remembers Sin City as
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great as it is it's Mickey Rourke's
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phenomenal performance that is the thing
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that Mike just blew us out of our socks
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it was just great
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got any beers around this place I
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remember when I was reading the book
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again I just worked with Mickey in it a
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red book to see who could play Marvin it
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I was looking at it again oh my god I
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know who this person is Mickey is Mars
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but you need to make him look more like
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the comic and get more of the iconic
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features the first thing that was put
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down was okay we don't want him wearing
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too much stuff because he's got such a
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great face and such a great voices so
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let's try just some minimal stuff so we
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did a couple little pieces just bridge
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of the nose things and we did a test and
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Mickey was here and Robert comes up and
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all sudden Frank Miller walks in behind
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him and they're looking at now looking
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at it they're looking at it and I said
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oh hey man you know here's the wig and
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there's dentures and you know we just we
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kept a kind of subtle because we didn't
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want to go too crazy so the first shot
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we did on and just looked too baby
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smooth I was like even when Mickey takes
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off the Mickey has more character in his
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face when he's got the makeup off than
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when he does on I said but we can go
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further if you want and Franklin really
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will you go further I said yeah yeah he
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said well here this is let me talk to
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you man so he takes a piece of paper and
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he does the sketch and he was that smart
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of as soon as he did that I saw how the
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brow came out and how the nose came out
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and flattened and then the chin comes in
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and I think I got it exactly so we do
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the makeup and he got the wife beater
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and the necklace with the cross and the
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black duster and walked in the set and
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Frank Miller literally backed away and
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into Frank up until that point had
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always just been he's safe he's on a
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page you can't really hurt me and then
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you look up and he's walking towards you
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and Frank literally was like we were so
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lucky because all the actors that we had
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to do makeups on Benicio del Toro and
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Nick Stahl and Mickey I mean these guys
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were so excited and so into the project
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I can't imagine anyone other than Mickey
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Rourke wearing that marv makeup I mean I
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kind of look at that as
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the modern-day Frankenstein when I was a
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kid Frankenstein was real the Wolfman
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was real mummy and that's why they
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scared the hell out of me I thought they
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were real I mean it's only after I saw a
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man of a thousand faces the story of lon
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chaney
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that movie was about somebody creating
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the monsters I realized oh yeah of
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course somebody creates the monsters I
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watched this movie and went wow this is
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this is a real guy right
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my dad's against lon chaney you know so
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he there happened to be a book out and
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he got me the book I looked through it
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and had all these amazing photos of all
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these makeups and just like that's you
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know that's what the real guy looked
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like and this is what all the different
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characters amazing stuff that he came up
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I mean you know the Phantom of the Opera
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makeup with the upturned nose one of the
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great makeups of all times Phantom of
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the Opera fishhooks and can't help lord
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knows what he put himself through
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they would put pieces of wire in his
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eyes to pull his eyes down I mean talk
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about a guy who was doing whatever he
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could for the art of acting in the art
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of makeup and and that really inspired
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me you know and that's where I did start
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to play with like really seeing what I
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could do as far as changing my face with
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with just household items a lot of
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people Stan Winston and Tom Savini all
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started out wanting to be actors I
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wanted to be launched Cheney when I grew
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up so I decided I wanted to be the guy
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that creates the monsters before that I
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was a little tiny kid loafing on the
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corner in Little Italy and then that
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from that day on I was shining shoes to
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buy makeup I went to grade school with
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half my eyebrows missing nose putty in
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my hair then I realized I could make up
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my friends you know so I would you know
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burn the top of their heads off with
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makeup slice their throats of their
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wrists and they would go home and their
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parents would scream because they're not
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a makeup boat they're like what happened
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to my kid who did that Savini where you
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can't play with him anymore
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I remember being very impressed with
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Jack Pearson's work even before I knew
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who Jack Pierce was and mommy in the
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Wolfman and Frankenstein are pretty
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indelible creations what's amazing is
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how iconic those makeups are Jack Pierce
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creating a makeup on Karloff that is as
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classic as the Empire State Building
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it's this like deco perfection there's a
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reason why that Karloff here's the
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universal image is just you know and
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stamped in every even every kid born
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today they've seen that Frankenstein and
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that that's the Frankenstein of their
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dreams that's the Frankenstein of their
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nightmare with the bolts and the flat
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head that's the Frank thank you and the
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Junkers was doing incredible makeups
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with primitive materials he would build
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the makeup every day out of his kit with
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colloseum and cotton Karloff would sit
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there for nine and a half hours while
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Jack would put layers of cotton to build
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up Karloff's you know brows and then his
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build his square head and then put the
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wig on from scratch every day that was a
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new creation there were no rubber pieces
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to glue on you know one of the reasons
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Jack Pierce was unceremoniously fired
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from Universal was that he took too long
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and by the 40s they wanted hurry up
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hurry up hurry up he was using primitive
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stuff but creating our classic monsters
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and it all changes with the technology
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the ability to make latex pieces that
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would hold up for the time and to be
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able to be painted and it was just you
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know was something that took three hours
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now took ten minutes
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you know Thomas of the down-and-dirty
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school of figuring it out you know a lot
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of well you know what if he just like I
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know what'll work babe and he really was
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very innovative it's just got this
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amazing energy and had a tremendous
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influence on some of the stuff that we
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did I mean we I could call on Tom to do
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anything
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Romero's movies always held a
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fascination for me just because there
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was a kind of there's this kind of
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slightly panic in the eighties about
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video nasties in the UK like our sense
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of sort of banned everything and a lot
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of good films got got taken off the
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shelves and so Dawn of the Dead was like
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this legendary movie that everyone
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talked about I mean I I had never seen a
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movie before that was just kill after
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kill after kill after kill at people
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getting shot in the head and heads
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explosion it was this beautiful orgy of
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on-screen makeup effects I remember the
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one picture of David M guy and Dawn of
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the Dead when he zombified he's got a
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big hole in his neck and he's doing one
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of the best zombie performances in the
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in the history of the genre I think and
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and looking at it and just thinking oh
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my god what is this when David M gives
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up the elevator shaft and he gets shot
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and his arm explodes into blood well I
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don't have explosives licence then but I
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wanted to see an explosion of blood come
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out of him so you know I would just take
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a condom and split it open tape it shut
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fill it with blood tie it around David's
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arm under his clothes the hole was
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already in the clothing and I would have
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fish line attached to the tape so
522
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enjoyed and I'm up in the elevator shaft
523
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above him so that when George says
524
00:20:49,390 --> 00:20:55,030
action I yanked that tape which opens
525
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,079
the rubber and blood just went he was
526
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:58,930
just always coming up with these
527
00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:00,819
spontaneous things it was great I mean I
528
00:20:58,930 --> 00:21:02,230
could always call Tom up and say hey man
529
00:21:00,819 --> 00:21:06,689
we're gonna make another one you know
530
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:06,690
start thinking of ways to kill zombie
531
00:21:07,009 --> 00:21:11,490
we all had a day to die which had
532
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nothing to do with the title of the
533
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movie but everybody's death scene they
534
00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:20,509
gave a day to because of the technical
535
00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:20,510
so I was the last death scene
536
00:21:21,069 --> 00:21:28,189
we reference that specifically insuring
537
00:21:23,569 --> 00:21:30,519
the dead with with Dylan's character and
538
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:34,070
it's almost like a Romero staple as well
539
00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:36,470
the evisceration line you know it's what
540
00:21:34,069 --> 00:21:38,358
you wait for it I love the way that you
541
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:39,798
know you totally buy that somebody would
542
00:21:38,358 --> 00:21:41,178
just lie there and allow you to tell
543
00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:47,269
them in pieces without struggling like
544
00:21:41,179 --> 00:21:49,038
crazy I had already talked to George
545
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about having a wine
546
00:21:49,038 --> 00:21:52,308
now he's worried about getting the line
547
00:21:50,388 --> 00:21:54,498
up because I when I walked in i said you
548
00:21:52,308 --> 00:21:57,319
know i don't think roads is gonna is
549
00:21:54,499 --> 00:21:58,940
gonna just say nothing when he dies and
550
00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:01,579
George knows well let's remember they've
551
00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:04,788
torn your legs off and all you are is a
552
00:22:01,579 --> 00:22:14,329
torso what would you say and I was
553
00:22:04,788 --> 00:22:17,169
spurred in this year choked on him
554
00:22:14,329 --> 00:22:22,908
choked on him great blood is like
555
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:24,859
something and it was just everybody was
556
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:25,369
like was a great chat the shot was great
557
00:22:24,858 --> 00:22:28,069
you know
558
00:22:25,368 --> 00:22:29,569
particular kudos to Joe for putting up
559
00:22:28,069 --> 00:22:32,749
with the stink of those entrails as well
560
00:22:29,569 --> 00:22:34,819
which were famously rotten I was very
561
00:22:32,749 --> 00:22:36,858
fortunate because it's a real memorable
562
00:22:34,819 --> 00:22:38,509
death scene I've known Greg Nicotero
563
00:22:36,858 --> 00:22:40,368
since he was 14 used to come visit the
564
00:22:38,509 --> 00:22:42,889
set of Creepshow we were on draw
565
00:22:40,368 --> 00:22:44,480
sketches for Chanel and invited us to
566
00:22:42,888 --> 00:22:47,028
his house would swim in his pool you
567
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:50,659
know he was just a great just a fun guy
568
00:22:47,028 --> 00:22:53,210
and we met totally coincidentally this
569
00:22:50,659 --> 00:22:55,278
is Greg was still I don't know I can't I
570
00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:57,590
don't remember maybe twelve or fourteen
571
00:22:55,278 --> 00:22:59,509
something like that and they were in
572
00:22:57,589 --> 00:23:01,699
Italy vacationing and I was over there
573
00:22:59,509 --> 00:23:03,730
working with Dario Argento and we're
574
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:06,590
sitting at Alfredo's restaurant in Rome
575
00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:08,778
and we walk in and you know everyone's
576
00:23:06,589 --> 00:23:10,339
like look there's a Colosseum you know
577
00:23:08,778 --> 00:23:12,169
there's the forum and I'm like yeah
578
00:23:10,339 --> 00:23:14,658
there's George Ramin literally at the
579
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:17,450
next table was George was George Romero
580
00:23:14,659 --> 00:23:19,460
all of a sudden his kid comes over to me
581
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:21,528
and says I'm from Pittsburgh my name is
582
00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:24,319
Greg Nicotero and I just really love
583
00:23:21,528 --> 00:23:25,970
horror movies and so we chatted a little
584
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,980
bit and I signed an autograph and all
585
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:29,629
that and he said can I ever get to do
586
00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:31,159
anything like that do you think and I
587
00:23:29,628 --> 00:23:32,579
said well if you really want to you know
588
00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:34,740
someday
589
00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:36,449
I kept in touch with them I went and
590
00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:38,548
visited the set of Creepshow a lot I
591
00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:41,100
think George Romero and Chris Romero
592
00:23:38,548 --> 00:23:42,839
gave him the job on Day of the Dead you
593
00:23:41,099 --> 00:23:46,168
know some job and I took him as my
594
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:47,788
assistant I always acknowledged and
595
00:23:46,169 --> 00:23:49,140
thanked George Romero for basically
596
00:23:47,788 --> 00:23:52,648
being the guy that opened the doors for
597
00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:55,350
me every movie I saw the Friday the 13th
598
00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:57,089
the movies like happy birthday to me and
599
00:23:55,349 --> 00:23:58,798
the Prowler the Prowler was a huge
600
00:23:57,089 --> 00:24:00,658
influence at any movie that I saw the
601
00:23:58,798 --> 00:24:03,359
Tom Savini did the makeup on I would go
602
00:24:00,659 --> 00:24:03,720
see when I wrote my first film cabin
603
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,548
fever
604
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,319
I very consciously wrote a makeup
605
00:24:05,548 --> 00:24:09,480
effects film it said I don't I don't
606
00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,428
want a movie that's gonna be about CG
607
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,319
it's about the body deteriorating and we
608
00:24:11,429 --> 00:24:14,669
really have to see it and when people
609
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:16,288
read the script it say well the effects
610
00:24:14,669 --> 00:24:19,470
it better be good you're gonna use CG
611
00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:22,319
and I'm gonna use real practical makeup
612
00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:23,909
effects I suppose I thought that you
613
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,908
know they were just gonna slap a bunch
614
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:28,260
of blood on my face and some bruising
615
00:24:26,909 --> 00:24:30,809
and I don't know why I thought it would
616
00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:34,829
be pretty simple but um you know they
617
00:24:30,808 --> 00:24:36,720
really created wounds and well you know
618
00:24:34,829 --> 00:24:39,178
you can there was there was so much
619
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,220
dimension to what they put on my face
620
00:24:39,179 --> 00:24:43,380
the moment we're joined Ladd rolls over
621
00:24:41,220 --> 00:24:45,450
and a face has all rotted out right
622
00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,950
before rider Stronach smashes her in the
623
00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:49,169
head with a shovel I was really really
624
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:51,929
pleased with that because we needed her
625
00:24:49,169 --> 00:24:53,730
to still be alive and it really looked
626
00:24:51,929 --> 00:24:55,559
like her skin had been peeled off I
627
00:24:53,730 --> 00:24:57,720
guess I was sort of an effects virgin
628
00:24:55,558 --> 00:25:00,058
before that but that night kind of got
629
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:04,970
hooked on the experience I love the
630
00:25:00,058 --> 00:25:04,970
blood and I love being covered in blood
631
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:11,009
remember the leg shaving scene it was
632
00:25:08,579 --> 00:25:14,579
supposed to be the skin peeling off like
633
00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:16,230
a banana but in shipping the parts there
634
00:25:14,579 --> 00:25:17,788
was a freeze that happened that we
635
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:20,009
weren't expecting and a lot of the
636
00:25:17,788 --> 00:25:22,319
makeup effects that had been made got
637
00:25:20,009 --> 00:25:24,388
frozen they got destroyed in the freeze
638
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,009
you know we sat there and we thought how
639
00:25:24,388 --> 00:25:27,509
are we gonna get this how are we gonna
640
00:25:26,009 --> 00:25:29,548
get her shave her legs with this whole
641
00:25:27,509 --> 00:25:31,470
makeup effects we planned and we thought
642
00:25:29,548 --> 00:25:32,908
okay what if you know we just do the
643
00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:35,269
full makeup on it and she's slowly
644
00:25:32,909 --> 00:25:37,429
revealing it
645
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:40,099
and it wound up being so much more
646
00:25:37,429 --> 00:25:45,259
effective and it gets a wild scream
647
00:25:40,099 --> 00:25:46,879
every time people see that was an
648
00:25:45,259 --> 00:25:55,190
empowerment and he became really the
649
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:56,720
centerpiece of the film this is the guy
650
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:58,670
that created the Exorcist
651
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,890
The Godfather Midnight Cowboy this
652
00:25:58,670 --> 00:26:03,320
Sentinel this was the guy he pioneered
653
00:26:00,890 --> 00:26:06,290
he invents all the techniques that all
654
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:08,928
the guys used today I knew that in
655
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:11,359
Hollywood when they did a transformation
656
00:26:08,929 --> 00:26:14,509
they would generally make it out of foam
657
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:17,439
latex but all in one piece the problem
658
00:26:14,509 --> 00:26:21,289
with that was simple foam latex shrimps
659
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:25,779
so when you try to put it on you will be
660
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:28,490
fighting the smallness of the mask and
661
00:26:25,779 --> 00:26:30,529
well why didn't I make it in sections
662
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:32,240
what dick was doing was unlike anybody
663
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:34,670
else you know just these multi piece
664
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,980
appliances and and just the way things
665
00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:38,660
looked there's they just really look
666
00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:39,950
real you just felt like if you could
667
00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:42,350
touch it if that would feel like real
668
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:46,759
flesh there's something dick had an eye
669
00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:48,889
for for creating the right form right
670
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:51,319
wrinkled over this Winkle and fold over
671
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:53,690
this fold makeup artist wouldn't didn't
672
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:56,058
share their secrets you know competition
673
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:57,740
whatever but not dick Smith you would
674
00:26:56,058 --> 00:26:59,569
call dick Smith on the phone why what is
675
00:26:57,740 --> 00:27:01,009
it I'm busy and you were scared because
676
00:26:59,569 --> 00:27:02,240
it's dick Smith you know and then you
677
00:27:01,009 --> 00:27:04,579
would ask him a question an hour and a
678
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,440
half later he's still telling you how to
679
00:27:04,579 --> 00:27:08,599
do the formulas and then he would type
680
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,860
it up in Xerox it in those days and
681
00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:13,569
melon TIA he shared his secrets
682
00:27:11,859 --> 00:27:15,219
when I was a kid when I was six years
683
00:27:13,569 --> 00:27:16,960
old I saw The Exorcist and it
684
00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:18,009
traumatized me I thought it was
685
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,509
completely real
686
00:27:18,009 --> 00:27:22,440
I thought you'd get possessed by the
687
00:27:19,509 --> 00:27:24,579
devil the intensity was so great that
688
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,289
sitting in the theater National Theatre
689
00:27:24,579 --> 00:27:28,949
in Westwood sitting there when the
690
00:27:26,289 --> 00:27:32,730
lights went down everybody would know
691
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:38,319
everyone was scared before it started
692
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:41,769
the Linda make up the basic demonic
693
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:45,099
faith was the toughest one we did a
694
00:27:41,769 --> 00:27:50,559
series of six different makeups right
695
00:27:45,099 --> 00:27:52,990
off to test and going crazy doing
696
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:56,440
anything but they want to see you know
697
00:27:52,990 --> 00:28:00,490
every go whole hog and there was nothing
698
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:03,370
in the first half dozen that pleased any
699
00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:06,009
of us and so I did another half dozen
700
00:28:03,369 --> 00:28:08,819
but Billy then decide really freeking
701
00:28:06,009 --> 00:28:11,799
the director then decided that we should
702
00:28:08,819 --> 00:28:14,049
tone it all down make it as little as
703
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:18,490
possible and I wasn't too happy about
704
00:28:14,049 --> 00:28:22,000
that and then I think we went into more
705
00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:25,710
different tests and finally we started
706
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,710
coming back in the other direction
707
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,000
the makeup on her bus just increasingly
708
00:28:32,619 --> 00:28:37,509
startling and weird
709
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,548
did you remember that's when she did the
710
00:28:37,509 --> 00:28:40,450
vomiting that a Hispanic woman stood up
711
00:28:39,548 --> 00:28:43,028
in the middle of the audience is
712
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:45,730
screaming and said dios mio dios mio she
713
00:28:43,028 --> 00:28:48,250
ran up the aisle to screaming I mean
714
00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:51,099
teach did all the vomiting scenes and
715
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:53,500
it's easy to put the makeup on that went
716
00:28:51,099 --> 00:28:55,509
Linda wore and there was a pretty good
717
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,700
match they had to make a vomiting
718
00:28:55,509 --> 00:29:00,548
apparatus for the vomiting scene which
719
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:02,440
was kind of like a bit that went in your
720
00:29:00,548 --> 00:29:05,349
mouth and the teeny tiny tubes that ran
721
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,720
under the makeup and of course I
722
00:29:05,349 --> 00:29:10,148
couldn't I couldn't walk I couldn't talk
723
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,319
and I you know I couldn't eat and the
724
00:29:10,148 --> 00:29:13,269
inventors like this little vacuum
725
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:16,418
cleaner thing you know like me and the
726
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:18,099
dentist little thing went you know to
727
00:29:16,419 --> 00:29:20,440
get rid of that we originally thought
728
00:29:18,099 --> 00:29:23,439
we'd have to use her a lot because Linda
729
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:28,000
had no training as an actress and but
730
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:30,190
she learned very fast so Linda was used
731
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,220
in practically everything except the
732
00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:36,308
extreme violence scenes I did the
733
00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:42,640
vomiting scene and the but they called
734
00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:51,788
the abuse of the cross sequence which is
735
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:58,299
done to the thighs and bloody sponges on
736
00:29:51,788 --> 00:30:00,158
the thighs but I always have to say is
737
00:29:58,298 --> 00:30:02,619
nobody know it was going to be the
738
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:05,100
Exorcist we're just working we're just
739
00:30:02,619 --> 00:30:05,099
making hard
740
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:13,160
we tried to duplicate reality and
741
00:30:11,779 --> 00:30:14,660
something Stan Winston said to me as a
742
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,490
kid because I had sculpted this big
743
00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:18,529
monster hand he's like that's all fine
744
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:20,450
and dandy sculpt the nose why don't you
745
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:21,859
sculpt the nose and mold it and run it
746
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:23,360
and put and apply it and let's see if it
747
00:30:21,859 --> 00:30:24,589
looks real and if you can do that you
748
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,359
can do anything I was like but that
749
00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:28,609
sounds either just a now as you went now
750
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,899
it's not just a nose it's dead center in
751
00:30:28,609 --> 00:30:31,399
your face so you've got to learn how to
752
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:34,490
crawl before you can walk
753
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,850
there's nothing harder in this life then
754
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:40,730
to convince you that somebody's older
755
00:30:37,849 --> 00:30:44,959
than they are on film old-age makeup is
756
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:47,420
the most diabolically difficult thing to
757
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,120
really pull off it's only ever been done
758
00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:52,850
twice in my estimation in a way that I
759
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:55,250
completely believed both times were Dick
760
00:30:52,849 --> 00:30:57,139
Smith well you know when I saw the
761
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:58,339
exercise which I wasn't allowed to see
762
00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:00,650
but it was one of the films my dad
763
00:30:58,339 --> 00:31:02,059
brought home and I snuck a peek through
764
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:04,280
the crack in the door and watched
765
00:31:02,059 --> 00:31:06,109
everyone I kept going I don't know why
766
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,670
people are 50-odd about it to me I was
767
00:31:06,109 --> 00:31:10,879
looking at it as a technical standpoint
768
00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:12,230
those makeups are amazing never did I
769
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,580
ever think that next one slide I was
770
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:20,150
wearing that wearing a makeup you know
771
00:31:13,579 --> 00:31:21,529
as he's playing father Merrin seem to
772
00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:22,910
recall that he had trouble getting some
773
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:26,299
work after that because everybody
774
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:30,019
thought he was 75 years old and indeed
775
00:31:26,299 --> 00:31:32,000
he was not max was a young man Max was
776
00:31:30,019 --> 00:31:34,940
40 something wanting to be exercised he
777
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,670
was a young man but working with Max who
778
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:41,950
was in his early forties somewhere was
779
00:31:37,670 --> 00:31:45,680
really an easy job because he had a long
780
00:31:41,950 --> 00:31:48,110
kind of serious looking face his skin
781
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,110
wrinkled easily enough I could add on
782
00:31:48,109 --> 00:31:53,569
small appliance to get in the waffle on
783
00:31:51,109 --> 00:31:56,659
his neck and use this what we call
784
00:31:53,569 --> 00:31:58,730
old-age stipple which is just a latex
785
00:31:56,660 --> 00:32:00,980
formulation that you stipple on the skin
786
00:31:58,730 --> 00:32:04,279
and stretch it and then when you let it
787
00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:06,230
go it makes the skin more leathery and
788
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:08,240
therefore it wrinkles naturally the
789
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:10,610
approach wasn't in that complex in
790
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:15,230
theory actually executing it took took
791
00:32:10,609 --> 00:32:18,109
genius my own space would be I could
792
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:19,700
look like a mummy in no time I put some
793
00:32:18,109 --> 00:32:21,149
of my face you know I don't even think
794
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:23,700
Max von Sydow even looks at
795
00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:25,259
today it's probably that it is probably
796
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,819
the best old-age make I've ever done
797
00:32:25,259 --> 00:32:28,980
it's flawless
798
00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:30,689
and the other one was f Murray Abraham
799
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:32,190
and Emma days which is one of the great
800
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:35,070
makeups of all time and you just
801
00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:37,500
completely believe it
802
00:32:35,069 --> 00:32:39,299
I mean dick really became the master of
803
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,710
old-age makeup you know you follow the
804
00:32:39,299 --> 00:32:43,019
father Merrin makeup which to me is
805
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:45,299
perfect all the way up to Hamid dais and
806
00:32:43,019 --> 00:32:47,039
so forth and and just really it's just
807
00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:50,539
really beautiful subtle stuff his
808
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:53,549
performance was truly wonderful and
809
00:32:50,539 --> 00:32:54,389
that's that's all part of it your makeup
810
00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:57,329
is worthless
811
00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:58,860
it's the actor doesn't use it look he's
812
00:32:57,329 --> 00:33:01,319
deserved an Academy Award his whole life
813
00:32:58,859 --> 00:33:04,859
he finally gave it to him from a - that
814
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:08,000
is a victory for me that I treasure
815
00:33:04,859 --> 00:33:11,969
still if they do the Hall of Fame of
816
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,319
makeup effects artist he'll be right at
817
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:16,019
the top of the list rather like right
818
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:23,039
next to Jack Pierce would be dick Smith
819
00:33:16,019 --> 00:33:23,970
I started working in the film business
820
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,720
as a male boy
821
00:33:23,970 --> 00:33:31,079
20th Century Fox Studios in 1967 and the
822
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:35,240
head of the makeup department at Fox was
823
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:38,789
John Chambers Johnnie once applied to me
824
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:44,490
before he got into the field for a job
825
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:47,309
at NBC and at that point I had nothing
826
00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:50,430
that I could offer him Johnny headed
827
00:33:47,309 --> 00:33:53,309
west and became very successful he had
828
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:56,310
been a a guy in the military one of his
829
00:33:53,309 --> 00:34:00,210
jobs was picking up pieces of people
830
00:33:56,309 --> 00:34:02,789
after accidents and an acts of war and
831
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:05,309
he became fascinated by disfigurement
832
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:08,759
and how you deal with it and he was my
833
00:34:05,309 --> 00:34:10,380
first exposure to a makeup artist I used
834
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,210
to go into the makeup department all the
835
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:14,720
time because I thought it was so cool
836
00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:16,889
they had you know shelves lined with
837
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,469
sculptures and monsters and they were
838
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:21,949
making all the foam appliances for the
839
00:34:19,469 --> 00:34:21,949
Planet of the Apes
840
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:28,398
your wildest dream I'm old enough to
841
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:32,059
remember when Planet of the Apes came
842
00:34:28,398 --> 00:34:40,789
out and when an impact that had on my
843
00:34:32,059 --> 00:34:42,168
little nine-year-old brain you know of
844
00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:44,480
course every kid has to do a Planet of
845
00:34:42,168 --> 00:34:46,908
the Apes makeup so I did a whole bunch
846
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,769
of those as well and you know got my
847
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:52,159
face I cast my own face which was very
848
00:34:48,769 --> 00:34:53,929
difficult and ended up sculpting you
849
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,309
know just looking at how they broke it
850
00:34:53,929 --> 00:34:57,200
down you know those photos so it was
851
00:34:55,309 --> 00:34:59,239
like the brow with the muzzle and then a
852
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:02,509
lower chin and then hairpieces on hand
853
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,639
laid all this hair look at the Planet of
854
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:08,630
the Apes being really exciting and as a
855
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:10,159
kid because of the idea and seeing the
856
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:11,599
makeup and a strange and adventurous
857
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,460
those were I remember my dad trying to
858
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,719
bond my brother never say you know let's
859
00:35:13,460 --> 00:35:16,220
go we're going to you know call it
860
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,909
football game or sitting up in the
861
00:35:16,219 --> 00:35:18,439
nosebleeds
862
00:35:16,909 --> 00:35:32,089
it was cold I thought mad cuz I'm
863
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:34,490
missing Planet of the Apes he won an
864
00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:36,559
Oscar he won the second honorary Oscar
865
00:35:34,489 --> 00:35:41,449
ever given to a makeup person before it
866
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:44,150
was a category for plan of the Apes Rick
867
00:35:41,449 --> 00:35:46,779
Baker had a great love for gorillas and
868
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:49,369
it was drill obsessed human being
869
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:53,310
started with John Landis as schlock and
870
00:35:49,369 --> 00:35:55,469
then Kate did King Kong he always does
871
00:35:53,309 --> 00:35:57,840
soft limbo you normally hack off a limb
872
00:35:55,469 --> 00:35:59,669
well I was really excited when when Rick
873
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,440
got hired to do play on the airplane
874
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:02,490
figure that's gonna be great I mean I
875
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,360
knew wreck stuff was going to be great
876
00:36:02,489 --> 00:36:08,789
because of Rick's interest and obsession
877
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,110
with apes and and his inspiration by
878
00:36:08,789 --> 00:36:12,559
plan of the Apes and all and so I think
879
00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:14,970
that he always had a really unique
880
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:17,159
vision in terms of how to translate
881
00:36:14,969 --> 00:36:19,079
those makeups saying how can we improve
882
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:20,460
upon this how can we make this different
883
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,809
how can we make it more interesting well
884
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:30,659
listen you know let's see what we can do
885
00:36:21,809 --> 00:36:32,789
about adding what I loved about Rick's
886
00:36:30,659 --> 00:36:34,409
makeups where you know the makeup you
887
00:36:32,789 --> 00:36:36,599
did in Paul Giamatti and the makeup on
888
00:36:34,409 --> 00:36:45,179
Jim Bob and they're all so dramatically
889
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:47,869
different always tough I mean I think
890
00:36:45,179 --> 00:36:51,000
Rick took a huge chance doing that film
891
00:36:47,869 --> 00:36:52,799
because it has so much love you know and
892
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,320
within the world in the audience and all
893
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,450
of us it was astounding work definitely
894
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:01,590
you know a tribute to to Rick's vision
895
00:36:57,449 --> 00:37:08,460
in his is sort of updating you know the
896
00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:09,900
classic I was working on a picture
897
00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:11,400
called jaws three people zero at
898
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,750
Universal which looked like it was never
899
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,910
gonna get made and my friend Mike
900
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:17,280
Finnell was working on a project called
901
00:37:14,909 --> 00:37:19,349
the howling where the original director
902
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,950
was apparently being let go when I came
903
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:24,630
over to do that picture the idea was
904
00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:26,009
that there was going to be a werewolf
905
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:28,019
transformation it was all going to be
906
00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:31,230
done in one take which was unusual for
907
00:37:28,019 --> 00:37:33,599
the time so we went to Rick Baker who
908
00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:35,010
was a friend of ours and you know was I
909
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:38,789
always wanted to do a werewolf picture
910
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:40,110
but he had been working with John Landis
911
00:37:38,789 --> 00:37:41,969
on a picture called American werewolf
912
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:43,380
and they had never really got the
913
00:37:41,969 --> 00:37:45,569
financing he never got off the ground I
914
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:48,630
think was a little frustrated I gave
915
00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:50,250
Rick a screenplay I'd written in 1969
916
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:53,070
called an American Werewolf in London
917
00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:54,800
and I said Rick figure this out because
918
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:57,150
I want to show and I told him everything
919
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,090
so he had a long time to think about it
920
00:37:57,150 --> 00:38:02,039
because no one would ever make that and
921
00:38:00,090 --> 00:38:03,750
so when we asked him to do our picture
922
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:05,940
he said sure then he had all these ideas
923
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:08,309
which I guess he had been planning to
924
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:10,950
use on the other picture and he worked
925
00:38:08,309 --> 00:38:13,469
for us for about I don't know a week
926
00:38:10,949 --> 00:38:16,559
maybe they did a fabulous test and
927
00:38:13,469 --> 00:38:18,059
John's project suddenly came to life I'd
928
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,059
call him up and I go hey Rick I got the
929
00:38:18,059 --> 00:38:23,849
money we're making werewolf anyway Oh
930
00:38:20,059 --> 00:38:25,380
hmm what's the matter says we remember
931
00:38:23,849 --> 00:38:28,409
that change Oh head I showed you know
932
00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:30,690
that yeah well I'm I'm doing a werewolf
933
00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:36,119
picture for Jo don t reason you fuck
934
00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:40,019
what what so Rick had to sum I
935
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:42,480
reluctantly leave our movie and left us
936
00:38:40,019 --> 00:38:44,820
in the hands of Rob Lowe teen who is his
937
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,740
associate as much younger had worked
938
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:49,740
with me on piranhas at the age of 18 so
939
00:38:46,739 --> 00:38:51,629
I already knew him so Rob poutine took
940
00:38:49,739 --> 00:38:53,609
over the picture and finished did the
941
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:58,050
werewolves and Rick came in and did an
942
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:59,970
American Werewolf in London Rick Baker's
943
00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:01,710
American Werewolf in London when you
944
00:38:59,969 --> 00:39:03,119
watch that it's happening right in front
945
00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:04,829
of you my stuff
946
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:08,389
always was happening right in front of
947
00:39:04,829 --> 00:39:08,389
you there was something to that
948
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:18,030
Rob came up with his own concept of you
949
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:19,590
know how he wanted to do these
950
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:23,030
transformations I had done a movie
951
00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:26,070
called airplane where I made a
952
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:28,400
mechanical nose prosthetic for Leslie
953
00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:31,440
Nielsen it was like a Pinocchio nose and
954
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,700
it grew on camera you know so I thought
955
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,590
well wait a minute what if I use the
956
00:39:32,699 --> 00:39:38,309
same technology that I used for that
957
00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:42,269
nose and I used it to actually make the
958
00:39:38,309 --> 00:39:45,090
mechanical mask make its nose grow and
959
00:39:42,269 --> 00:39:49,489
make the make the lower jaw grow make
960
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:49,490
the ears grow and make the teeth grow
961
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:56,759
with the inspiration that Joe Dante
962
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:59,940
wanted to see transformation done in one
963
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,140
shot I then started thinking like well
964
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:04,950
would it be kind of interesting to
965
00:40:01,139 --> 00:40:07,849
actually make a replica of the actor and
966
00:40:04,949 --> 00:40:12,989
inside would be like an under skull and
967
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:17,000
I thought well what if I actually took
968
00:40:12,989 --> 00:40:19,649
the skull and and cut it up and actually
969
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,110
got the bones to shift and whatnot it
970
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:23,760
wasn't learned by doing situation the
971
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:25,769
rob would do stuff we would shoot it we
972
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,230
would look at it we would cut it we
973
00:40:25,769 --> 00:40:30,869
would discover that what looked like a
974
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:32,880
mistake was actually good work for us if
975
00:40:30,869 --> 00:40:36,900
we put a sound effect on it rabo team
976
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,640
was just he was really unbelievable on
977
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,260
the Haley do you Wallace who had to do
978
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:43,859
most of the reacting to the world wolf
979
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:45,330
and had to look at nothing was a really
980
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:48,390
good actress who could really get into
981
00:40:45,329 --> 00:40:50,940
the moment and you find that no matter
982
00:40:48,389 --> 00:40:52,710
how good your effects are if you're cut
983
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:54,929
away to the actors response isn't
984
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:58,139
convincing it negates the quality of the
985
00:40:54,929 --> 00:41:00,539
effect it was interesting hearing Joe
986
00:40:58,139 --> 00:41:02,789
going okay he's getting taller what's
987
00:41:00,539 --> 00:41:04,289
there comes his ears they know that
988
00:41:02,789 --> 00:41:05,730
there's a level of visibility to the
989
00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:07,920
fact that you're doing it so they have
990
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:10,130
to take that into account and not break
991
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,130
up
992
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:16,680
well I love teen rabo teen God you know
993
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,420
what it's like it's like when a movie
994
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,669
would come out by rabo teen or Rick
995
00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:22,769
Baker or dick smith this is the latest
996
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:23,970
exhibit from your favorite artist that's
997
00:41:22,769 --> 00:41:25,320
what I would treat it you're not going
998
00:41:23,969 --> 00:41:27,689
to just see this movie you're gonna see
999
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,400
the latest artwork from when these
1000
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:30,809
people I mean look at Total Recall the
1001
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,809
woman's head that just boom boom boom
1002
00:41:30,809 --> 00:41:35,039
boom and there's Arnold when I was
1003
00:41:33,809 --> 00:41:37,799
meeting with Paul and I was pitching him
1004
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:40,619
my different ideas for the movie this is
1005
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,170
the transition scene where where Arnold
1006
00:41:40,619 --> 00:41:45,329
in essence is going to Mars and his
1007
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:46,980
adventure is beginning that wasn't in
1008
00:41:45,329 --> 00:41:48,779
the script no that was that wasn't
1009
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:55,530
written somewhere he just contributed
1010
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:57,570
that the stuff that you respect I talked
1011
00:41:55,530 --> 00:42:00,390
with a bunch of guys on the thing about
1012
00:41:57,570 --> 00:42:02,760
how to do it as a lot of influence at
1013
00:42:00,389 --> 00:42:06,989
the time from alien face hugging and
1014
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,420
such rabo teen came in and said kind of
1015
00:42:06,989 --> 00:42:11,399
gave me the secret to the movie
1016
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:13,230
creatively dramatically and and the
1017
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,170
effects wise he said look this is a
1018
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:18,599
chance of a lifetime because the thing
1019
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:26,220
can look like anything is that to look
1020
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:28,319
like one thing changes constantly we can
1021
00:42:26,219 --> 00:42:30,389
just go wild with it so I said to John
1022
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,850
wouldn't it be neat if the guy's ribcage
1023
00:42:30,389 --> 00:42:35,849
Norris his ribcage just rips open and
1024
00:42:32,849 --> 00:42:38,940
his ribs become like a big set of teeth
1025
00:42:35,849 --> 00:42:42,750
and then Doc who isn't expecting this of
1026
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:46,860
course falls in to the the chest cavity
1027
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:49,039
and the teeth close and white Doc's arms
1028
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:49,039
on
1029
00:42:49,699 --> 00:42:55,079
one of my favorite images of all time is
1030
00:42:52,349 --> 00:42:59,400
you know the horse's head hitting the
1031
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:02,730
floor and sprouting the legs kidding me
1032
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,039
I remember when I first saw the thing I
1033
00:43:02,730 --> 00:43:06,420
went into a double feature the thing in
1034
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,309
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
1035
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:09,869
I thought of Fast Times was first and
1036
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:11,369
then was gonna go in this thing and had
1037
00:43:09,869 --> 00:43:13,440
the times all screwed up so when you got
1038
00:43:11,369 --> 00:43:16,049
there this guy's head was coming off the
1039
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,720
table stretching and then he calling it
1040
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:20,970
cause before that ain't fast time you
1041
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,980
know you felt like you were in the hands
1042
00:43:20,969 --> 00:43:26,009
of lunatics who would stop at nothing to
1043
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:28,110
get the visceral effect now that is the
1044
00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:29,940
masterpiece of splatter to me the thing
1045
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:31,440
nothing I've ever done I could say this
1046
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:33,300
is a masterpiece of splatter although
1047
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,490
they call me the king of splatter Robbo
1048
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:38,160
teams working the thing was that's the
1049
00:43:35,489 --> 00:43:40,049
masterpiece and what really is
1050
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:42,259
mind-blowing is those effects still hold
1051
00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:42,260
up
1052
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,320
we got a call out of the blue from Kevin
1053
00:43:51,550 --> 00:43:55,080
Costner's company and he was gonna do
1054
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,250
this Western called Dances with Wolves
1055
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,719
first one we was gonna direct so he
1056
00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:00,340
called us in and he said well listen I
1057
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,589
saw the cadaverous you did for gross
1058
00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:03,940
anatomy so you can do dead bodies you
1059
00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:07,000
can definitely do dead Buffalo's
1060
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:08,860
obviously it's illegal to to shoot and
1061
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,539
kill animals for motion pictures and
1062
00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:12,370
they had some very specific things they
1063
00:44:10,539 --> 00:44:14,440
wanted to do we need to make to
1064
00:44:12,369 --> 00:44:17,109
mechanical buffalos for a buffalo hunt
1065
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,519
to simulate the actual arrows and bullet
1066
00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:21,370
hits that are going into the buffalo
1067
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:25,900
hides then there were the other buffalos
1068
00:44:21,369 --> 00:44:28,630
I want to say 23 buffalos and they were
1069
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:31,690
made so that they are hides were
1070
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:33,190
removable during the construction I got
1071
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:33,789
a phone call from the production
1072
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:36,190
designer
1073
00:44:33,789 --> 00:44:37,480
he said we're using actual buffalo hides
1074
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:39,460
here and we understand you're using
1075
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,860
artificial fur and I said well of course
1076
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:43,269
we're using artificial fur you know we
1077
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:45,309
don't want to use actual animal hides
1078
00:44:43,269 --> 00:44:46,690
and making these things and you know
1079
00:44:45,309 --> 00:44:48,400
working with the skins and all that
1080
00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:50,260
stuff would be very difficult for us and
1081
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,240
this will be well it's never gonna match
1082
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:55,330
it's never gonna match in a million
1083
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,889
years enough well trust me so I don't do
1084
00:44:55,329 --> 00:44:59,739
a great job it's gonna look nice you'll
1085
00:44:56,889 --> 00:45:01,750
see yeah I don't believe you so I said
1086
00:44:59,739 --> 00:45:04,239
we'll send me a buffalo hide and I'll
1087
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:05,559
shoot pictures side by side so the
1088
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,879
buffalo hide came in and the artificial
1089
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:10,179
fur came and I looked at the two and I
1090
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,190
went okay so can I use some some fabric
1091
00:45:10,179 --> 00:45:13,659
paints and things that we use and I made
1092
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:14,829
it a painted a book about the same and I
1093
00:45:13,659 --> 00:45:16,659
looked at him and I was but put the
1094
00:45:14,829 --> 00:45:19,299
labels on and I went huh
1095
00:45:16,659 --> 00:45:20,409
and I reversed them I take a picture and
1096
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:22,960
I sent it to the production designer
1097
00:45:20,409 --> 00:45:24,579
well I got a call oh my god god
1098
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,230
artificial buffalo furl it's terrible
1099
00:45:24,579 --> 00:45:27,759
it's not real as awful as that's not the
1100
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:29,860
other thing I said I knew and say that I
1101
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,540
switched the tags and there was silence
1102
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:33,280
in the other than the phone and I said
1103
00:45:31,539 --> 00:45:35,199
I'll see you at the South Dakota when
1104
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,310
we're ready to go and that was that I
1105
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,309
never had another problem with it
1106
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:46,009
through a friend of mine Scottie Spiegel
1107
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:48,200
the co-writers are not evil that too I
1108
00:45:46,009 --> 00:45:50,358
met the candy guys which was a Greg
1109
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:52,608
Nicotero and Bob Kurtzman and Howard
1110
00:45:50,358 --> 00:45:54,348
Berger and we got to be friends when
1111
00:45:52,608 --> 00:45:56,509
we'd all go see movies that like the new
1112
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:58,190
art you know and go see the killer I
1113
00:45:56,509 --> 00:45:59,269
remember and standing around quitting
1114
00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:01,130
and then afterwards we all go out and
1115
00:45:59,268 --> 00:46:03,978
eat and all this so anyhow we knew that
1116
00:46:01,130 --> 00:46:06,349
Quinton was a writer and Bob Kurtzman
1117
00:46:03,978 --> 00:46:08,960
had this idea for this vampire gangster
1118
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:12,019
movie and had written a 25 page outline
1119
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,659
but wanted to have a real writer to
1120
00:46:12,018 --> 00:46:16,368
write write the script so he thought hey
1121
00:46:14,659 --> 00:46:19,399
I can I could probably pay Quentin to do
1122
00:46:16,369 --> 00:46:20,960
this this would be great and I said okay
1123
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,400
I'll do it for $1,500 and I'll do all
1124
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,470
that stuff and I was happy to do that
1125
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,119
but I but I threw a provision in there I
1126
00:46:24,469 --> 00:46:27,798
said look I'm gonna be making Reservoir
1127
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:30,200
Dogs coming up in this next year and a
1128
00:46:27,798 --> 00:46:33,798
half and I want you to do the makeup
1129
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:37,399
effects on it for free and and Bob said
1130
00:46:33,798 --> 00:46:40,248
okay so he wrote from dusk till dawn for
1131
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,559
Bob and Bob tried to get it going for
1132
00:46:40,248 --> 00:46:45,139
quite a while nobody liked it everyone
1133
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:48,019
was saying you can't go from having this
1134
00:46:45,139 --> 00:46:50,210
gangster movie to this vampire movie and
1135
00:46:48,018 --> 00:46:51,768
it's easy it's two different movies this
1136
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:53,420
is crazy who would ever make a film
1137
00:46:51,768 --> 00:46:55,129
that's two films and one that doesn't
1138
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:58,009
make any sense it'll never happen
1139
00:46:55,130 --> 00:47:00,499
Quentin gave me a script to read he'd
1140
00:46:58,009 --> 00:47:02,420
said here's something you can do in
1141
00:47:00,498 --> 00:47:04,129
Mexico it's something that I first wrote
1142
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:07,039
I'll have the rights to it anymore but
1143
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:08,869
uh check it out and I started reading it
1144
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,249
and it was terrific but like there's
1145
00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:12,318
stuff that he had already taken out of
1146
00:47:10,248 --> 00:47:14,629
it like Ezekiel speech from Pulp Fiction
1147
00:47:12,318 --> 00:47:15,619
was in that originally and there was
1148
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:17,329
other gems that he had already been
1149
00:47:15,619 --> 00:47:18,710
pulling out and I thought you know a few
1150
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:21,048
more years don't be anything left if you
1151
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:22,579
keep mining it we met her go shoot it
1152
00:47:21,048 --> 00:47:25,088
quick while we can and then the next
1153
00:47:22,579 --> 00:47:27,859
thing you know the movie was being made
1154
00:47:25,088 --> 00:47:30,318
there's a strike that was going on
1155
00:47:27,858 --> 00:47:32,630
because we're not in Union actually we
1156
00:47:30,318 --> 00:47:34,699
had to shoot the second half first so
1157
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:36,200
kandi had to make all of the effects all
1158
00:47:34,699 --> 00:47:38,298
the creatures and everything right away
1159
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,379
so that we could start with all that you
1160
00:47:38,298 --> 00:47:40,940
know even think he was shooting out of
1161
00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:42,318
order I mean should it in order so that
1162
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:44,088
you could have time to prepare all that
1163
00:47:42,318 --> 00:47:46,518
the shoot all your outdoor stuff first
1164
00:47:44,088 --> 00:47:47,900
we had to start with interior crew stuff
1165
00:47:46,518 --> 00:47:49,639
before we could go out and shoot the
1166
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:51,740
exteriors stuff so the whole second half
1167
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:54,650
was done first so first day was
1168
00:47:51,739 --> 00:47:56,058
in the bar and by the first end of the
1169
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:59,030
first week we're into vampires and
1170
00:47:56,059 --> 00:48:01,010
creatures wasn't all of that I was so
1171
00:47:59,030 --> 00:48:02,540
much fun it was like literally you talk
1172
00:48:01,010 --> 00:48:04,369
about a bunch of guys that show up to
1173
00:48:02,539 --> 00:48:06,440
work there's a bunch of naked girls and
1174
00:48:04,369 --> 00:48:09,818
blood and vampires in Quentin Tarantino
1175
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:12,789
and Harvey Keitel and Robert Rodriguez
1176
00:48:09,818 --> 00:48:16,338
we were shooting downtown in an old
1177
00:48:12,789 --> 00:48:18,829
lorries meat seasoning factory that had
1178
00:48:16,338 --> 00:48:21,858
been closed down and it was hot as hell
1179
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:23,359
this was during the the summer no air
1180
00:48:21,858 --> 00:48:24,858
conditioning we were all dying so we
1181
00:48:23,358 --> 00:48:26,838
were we had a room that was actually
1182
00:48:24,858 --> 00:48:29,449
like the meat locker that was off from
1183
00:48:26,838 --> 00:48:31,549
the the soundstage where I set up the
1184
00:48:29,449 --> 00:48:33,230
makeup room and there are 12 of us and
1185
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:35,109
they're doing hundreds of makeups all
1186
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:37,309
day long just churning churning churning
1187
00:48:35,108 --> 00:48:38,480
you know my makeup took about three
1188
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:39,980
hours and it was great getting the
1189
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,659
makeup on you know I'm getting the long
1190
00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:43,909
finger I love the long fingers you know
1191
00:48:41,659 --> 00:48:45,409
and we're after the make up song about
1192
00:48:43,909 --> 00:48:46,730
an hour after it's on I'm running on the
1193
00:48:45,409 --> 00:48:48,980
hallway scaring people sneaking up
1194
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:50,568
behind Rodriguez you know they do a
1195
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:52,699
great purpose they gave me a penis nose
1196
00:48:50,568 --> 00:48:54,800
look at my makeup and that's all gone
1197
00:48:52,699 --> 00:48:59,868
it's a penis now because he's my friend
1198
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:02,000
and and it's in there and every day he's
1199
00:48:59,869 --> 00:49:03,318
like why why did you do this up until
1200
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,630
that point we had done little things for
1201
00:49:03,318 --> 00:49:07,519
Quentin you know nothing big like
1202
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:09,769
where's four dogs a great movie but for
1203
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:11,179
us it was this chop thing which is
1204
00:49:09,769 --> 00:49:12,829
rather memorable and a lot of blood
1205
00:49:11,179 --> 00:49:14,598
stuff but we really got to prove
1206
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:15,890
ourselves to him on that show and then
1207
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,200
it just kind of led into the next shows
1208
00:49:15,889 --> 00:49:19,818
and you know the next gigantic enormous
1209
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,679
thing we did with Quinton was obviously
1210
00:49:19,818 --> 00:49:25,239
killed bill where I think we proved
1211
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,239
ourselves for a lifetime with him
1212
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:41,519
I wanted to have the Japanese type of
1213
00:49:40,048 --> 00:49:42,809
pyrotechnics with like the way the blood
1214
00:49:41,518 --> 00:49:44,248
would squirt out and all that kind of
1215
00:49:42,809 --> 00:49:46,920
stuff I didn't want to have that horror
1216
00:49:44,248 --> 00:49:48,748
movie stuff even as far as like the
1217
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,190
color of the blood we tested all these
1218
00:49:48,748 --> 00:49:52,889
different Bloods we test the Chinese
1219
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:54,809
blood but what they use in Hong Kong and
1220
00:49:52,889 --> 00:49:57,118
China for bloody scenes we tested
1221
00:49:54,809 --> 00:49:58,619
Japanese blood for what they use in
1222
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,730
their movies and we tested American
1223
00:49:58,619 --> 00:50:01,769
blood and so we went with the Japanese
1224
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:03,568
blood it was great working with a Howard
1225
00:50:01,768 --> 00:50:06,479
burger and he knew exactly what it is I
1226
00:50:03,568 --> 00:50:08,190
wanted and and you know and he's great
1227
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,588
because there's no excuses you know cuz
1228
00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:12,028
there are things that don't work they
1229
00:50:10,588 --> 00:50:13,768
don't work half the time actually but
1230
00:50:12,028 --> 00:50:15,539
he's never has an excuse about it just
1231
00:50:13,768 --> 00:50:17,818
okay sorry we're all waiting here we go
1232
00:50:15,539 --> 00:50:19,170
try it again I don't know what the
1233
00:50:17,818 --> 00:50:21,088
problem is give me five minutes to
1234
00:50:19,170 --> 00:50:25,190
figure it out in the last dozen years
1235
00:50:21,088 --> 00:50:25,190
we've done every one of Roberts films
1236
00:50:25,818 --> 00:50:31,460
Brian house was the most fun I've ever
1237
00:50:28,018 --> 00:50:31,459
had on the film for sure
1238
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:48,710
it was fun just being there I mean just
1239
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:50,060
being there one because of Robin made
1240
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:51,980
sense that they would just be sort of a
1241
00:50:50,059 --> 00:50:54,139
infection brought back from the war that
1242
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:56,179
it would be a viral infection and had my
1243
00:50:54,139 --> 00:50:57,980
doctor show me real infection so I could
1244
00:50:56,179 --> 00:50:59,359
kind of see how could you mix some of
1245
00:50:57,980 --> 00:51:00,949
these together and him get out of
1246
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,230
control and he said oh well I've got
1247
00:51:00,949 --> 00:51:03,769
eyeballs Iraqi eyeballs and actually in
1248
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:05,329
my refrigerator
1249
00:51:03,769 --> 00:51:07,789
you know mustard gas makes them all
1250
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:09,739
cloudy even my doctor pissed about that
1251
00:51:07,789 --> 00:51:10,969
I put him in the movie my doctor is the
1252
00:51:09,739 --> 00:51:13,339
doctor in the movie that's there with
1253
00:51:10,969 --> 00:51:15,799
Josh Brolin it's just look puffy they're
1254
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:17,600
all these are horrible so I thought
1255
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,490
let's just take these and multiply them
1256
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,699
and have them all happen at a very rapid
1257
00:51:19,489 --> 00:51:21,699
rate
1258
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:27,679
it was no-holds-barred you know I mean
1259
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:33,019
that's what Robert wanted was everything
1260
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:35,329
goes anything goes and everybody's
1261
00:51:33,019 --> 00:51:36,949
pretty serious about it except when you
1262
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:38,750
actually get out on the set you start
1263
00:51:36,949 --> 00:51:45,730
doing your thing and you know the press
1264
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:48,559
pack to be an understudy bursting it was
1265
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:50,240
months of doing the disease makeups on
1266
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,759
the actors plus all of the effects that
1267
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,259
we had in the filming that was a lot for
1268
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,970
the money in the time that we had
1269
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:57,890
basically because it was a double
1270
00:51:55,969 --> 00:51:59,329
feature had to save money on minds that
1271
00:51:57,889 --> 00:52:02,269
there'd be enough money for equipment to
1272
00:51:59,329 --> 00:52:05,000
make his it was funny because you know
1273
00:52:02,269 --> 00:52:07,070
Robert uses a lot of CGI in his stuff
1274
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,510
and so and I had never really you see GI
1275
00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:10,510
before except maybe the razor wire
1276
00:52:12,329 --> 00:52:17,079
so then I wrote a car crashing away if
1277
00:52:14,769 --> 00:52:17,588
I'm gonna do something I never seen
1278
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,348
before
1279
00:52:17,588 --> 00:52:21,279
so I thought I would do this car crash
1280
00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:24,180
people are getting torn apart
1281
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,180
simultaneously
1282
00:52:27,429 --> 00:52:32,469
when I wrote it Gregg now is like can't
1283
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:35,259
stand CGI so he just assumed that he was
1284
00:52:32,469 --> 00:52:36,818
gonna have to build this and then when
1285
00:52:35,259 --> 00:52:38,829
he started talking like that I you know
1286
00:52:36,818 --> 00:52:40,210
all of a sudden yeah what student camera
1287
00:52:38,829 --> 00:52:41,920
forget yeah I didn't tell him I was
1288
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:44,048
thinking about CJ I was like yeah he's
1289
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,509
right he actually thinks okay let's do
1290
00:52:44,048 --> 00:52:48,338
that let's do it that way
1291
00:52:45,509 --> 00:52:50,740
the real challenge was we had to create
1292
00:52:48,338 --> 00:52:53,650
dummies of each of these girls that
1293
00:52:50,739 --> 00:52:54,879
could act because the idea always was
1294
00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:56,769
Quentin said I want this is like a
1295
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,338
crash-test dummy movie I want to see all
1296
00:52:56,768 --> 00:53:02,919
this stuff in super slow motion so we
1297
00:53:00,338 --> 00:53:04,389
did body scans and life casts of four
1298
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,700
principal actresses who were in the car
1299
00:53:04,389 --> 00:53:08,889
at the time of the crash I can't believe
1300
00:53:06,699 --> 00:53:11,828
they have this technology but they get
1301
00:53:08,889 --> 00:53:15,190
they got me to get into a circle and
1302
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:17,440
make a DaVinci pogos this round unit
1303
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:20,470
comes around you slowly drops around you
1304
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,420
can't move for 60 seconds you have to
1305
00:53:20,469 --> 00:53:25,689
hold this position and it takes this
1306
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:27,759
perfect image of your body what Quentin
1307
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:30,369
wanted was very specific stuff you know
1308
00:53:27,759 --> 00:53:31,869
to see a a car tire ripped through the
1309
00:53:30,369 --> 00:53:34,119
roof of the car and peel the girl's face
1310
00:53:31,869 --> 00:53:35,739
off and to you know girl gets her leg
1311
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ripped off he she goes flying out of the
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front of the car and things like that
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there were very specific things so the
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actresses had to be cast in the exact
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positions they were sitting in in the
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car
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but then the armatures inside had to be
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articulated in such a way too that they
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moved like a real human body would move
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so we literally designed armatures that
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mimicked the human body in terms of the
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skeleton you know we had joints that
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could only move a certain way if your
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arm can't bend this way then the
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armatures and the then the puppets
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didn't bend that way so we built
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everything so that it was all loose we
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did full silicone bodies they made these
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things look exactly like us
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he shot for three days pulling the
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bodies apart and ripping the leg off and
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shooting the dummies through the
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windshield and the last gag was the shot
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where Vanessa sitting in the backseat
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she's the only one that sees the crash
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coming so she closes her eyes so as the
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wheel comes through and rips through it
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rips her face
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that's one of the things I'm real proud
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about it is you know it's all done in
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camera the dummy's looked really good
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and you can't tell and I'm pretty proud
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of that but that was all shot on the day
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nothing was added nothing was taken away
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that's just you know we shot it on the
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set that way I like to hone to
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conventions where you'll have a young
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kid that will come up and say oh man I
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loved Evil Dead - and I'm a big fan of
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the Romero movies and then you look at
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them and you go wow that was me one day
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and they're influenced by movies and
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sequences that we've had a part in doing
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I mean to me that's so exciting to be
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able to influence young filmmakers and
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young minds it's that magic the movies
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go for that however that is defined it's
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part of the magic that makes you want to
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do it you know when you're a kid and
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00:55:38,019 --> 00:55:43,780
makes you pursue it as an adult these
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00:55:40,539 --> 00:55:45,909
guys love what they do any job on a
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00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:48,460
movie is hard work in long hours but
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makeup effects guys are constantly
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working a lot longer than the shooting
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company is working your inspirations
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come from everything all the great old
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movies you know all the great old comic
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books and then a good healthy dose of
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00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:05,380
nightmares my generation and you know
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00:56:03,309 --> 00:56:07,059
generations before us know who Lon
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Chaney is who know all these great
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makeup artists Jack Pierce
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Cecil Hall and they're the basis of why
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we do this I am all for you know the
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growth of young people and if I've been
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able to I've helped them a little bit
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00:56:20,590 --> 00:56:25,539
sometimes there are a number of makeup
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artists that have grown up this kind of
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second-generation people and they have
1380
00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:35,140
become really better and better until
1381
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they're now top artists and that I
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regard is terrific
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you
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