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- My name is Mace Neufeld.
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I'm a feature
and television producer,
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and I was executive producer
of "The Omen".
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Omen came about because
a friend of mine,
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Harvey Bernhard, came to me
with the idea of doing
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a story about the devil child.
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- The curse attached to
The Omen is an interesting one
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because it kind of almost seems
self-inflicted in a way.
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They had a religious advisor
named Robert Munger on set,
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who I think - before mostly
anything had begun - had said,
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if you're going to be dealing
with this subject matter,
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the devil, you're inviting
the devil into this,
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and bad things are going
to happen.
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- [Screaming]
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- There are some people that
say "The Omen" was cursed
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because of the subject matter
of a child...
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as, um, the Antichrist.
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Robert Munger, the minister
who came up with the idea,
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thought Satan's greatest trick
is to remain invisible.
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The film was trying
to make him visible,
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and so that's why Satan
was trying to stop the film
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from being made.
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- In the very beginning,
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when we were first setting up
the process
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of shooting the film
in England,
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Munger told us
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we were treading on
very thin ice;
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that the Antichrist
would do everything
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not to have this picture made.
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Um, for me that was in one ear
and out the other.
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In the beginning, Gregory Peck
was coming to England
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and his plane was struck
by lightning.
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That was scary.
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Then, David Seltzer was coming
over - the writer -
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just a few days later,
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and his plane was struck
by lightning.
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- Two planes carrying
two crew members,
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both being hit by lightning
on the way to set
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is pretty spooky.
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- Also, Gregory Peck was
supposed to be on a flight
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that he cancelled,
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and then the plan apparently
crashed
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and killed everyone onboard.
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- The plane took off,
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hit a flock of birds,
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crashed at the end
of the runway
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and into a... a road
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and hit a station wagon.
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And in the station wagon
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was the wife
and the two children
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of the pilot of that plane.
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They had dropped him off.
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- There were a lot of strange
things happening
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that you could call cursed.
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The IRA at that time was,
in 1975,
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was very active in London.
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We're staying at a hotel on Piccadilly opposite Green Park.
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My wife and I were walking out
of the hotel
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when suddenly there was a...
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massive boom.
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They'd set off a bomb a block
and a half away.
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We were booked to go
into Scott's Restaurant,
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and they blew up
the restaurant.
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As these things began
to happen,
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we all became very wary.
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Woman: Welcome to Windsor
Safari Park.
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- We shot in a place called
Windsor Safari Park,
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and there was a sequence
with baboons.
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Woman: Keep all car windows
closed.
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- Suddenly the car that Lee Remick was driving stalled.
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She couldn't get out.
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And Lee Remick
is trapped in a car
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being attacked by baboons.
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Lee was really terrified,
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[Screaming]
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and it shows in, in that scene.
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[Screaming, baboons bark]
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[Tires squeal]
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We shot this at an animal park.
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One of the handlers
at the park was killed.
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- The animal handler on
the show
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was eaten by a lion...
allegedly.
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- Lions or a lion ate
the zookeeper.
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- Not during the filming,
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but close to the filming.
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- When we left, and he was
securing the place, he left...
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his cabin door open
or something
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and the lions attacked
and killed him.
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- Another report said
it wasn't a lion,
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it was a tiger.
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- After the making of the film,
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our special effects supervisor,
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John Richardson,
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had an automobile accident.
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Um...
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And his fiancée...
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was decapitated.
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- The accident replicated
a decapitation in the movie.
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[Loud crash, glass whooshes]
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[Glass shatters]
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- [Screaming]
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- People said it happened...
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- Near a sign...
- That said, uh, "Omen."
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- Omen.
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- O-M-M-E-N.
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- 66.6 kilometres.
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- But these things that
happened
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around the making of the film
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seemed to be more than
coincidental.
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That's the best way
I can put it.
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- With movies that deal
with demonic archetypes...
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- Three sixes.
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- there's definitely
the potential
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for all types of phenomenon.
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The production
for these movies,
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they start to make
what you would call
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a substantial contact
with these forces.
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They start to distill them
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into the atmosphere,
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the production,
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also into the individuals
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that are involved in
the production.
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Those sensitive to these forces
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notice the little glitches
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and the matrix of things
like...
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consecutive plane flights
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getting struck with lightning.
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Absolutely, the film "The Omen"
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was, was, no doubt,
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an active gateway
in its own right.
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- I'm Michael Correll.
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I'm known on the internet
as Uncle Birch.
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Uh, I'm a witch.
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Some people think that
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if you just don't believe
in this kind of stuff
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you can't be harmed by it.
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We call those targets.
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That person won't be protecting
themselves.
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They won't have any spiritual
protection
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and when everything goes wrong
in their life,
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they won't try and fix it.
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And then it's like, yeah,
it's like a virus,
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like a festering virus.
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It gets worse and worse
and worse with time.
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- Who is it?
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- I went and saw "It Follows"
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And, you know, the story is...
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this sort of unknown evil
follows you
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after you've had sex.
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- And get rid of it, okay?
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Just sleep with someone
as soon as you can.
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Just pass it along.
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- I mean, it's really easy
to read that
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as sort of a really shallow
kind of a metaphor
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for sexually transmitted
diseases.
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But on the other hand,
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why get rid of the idea...
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of evil as an infection vector?
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Because the idea of
supernatural infection
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is really common.
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This idea that we can have evil
passed on to us
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and we can somehow be tainted
with it.
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- Ungh!
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- [Speaks in foreign tongue]
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[Harsh exhale]
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[Growling hiss]
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- To talk about curses
you have to define
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what is a curse.
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Some of the earliest curses
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are found in Egyptian
execration texts,
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or in Mesopotamian rituals,
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or in biblical texts.
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Curses often come as part
of what's called a covenant.
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A covenant is sort of like
a contract
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between a superior party
and an inferior party
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and there are curses in
these contracts.
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What's gonna happen to you
if you don't do it?
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If you look in the Bible,
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it can be animals
that are cursed,
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it can be people
that are cursed,
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it could be places
that are cursed.
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- Cursing was quite widespread
in antiquity.
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We have lots of examples
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and lots of phenomena
about cursing.
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One of these phenomena
is narratives.
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So these are stories of figures like Jesus or prophets
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or other holy men cursing
somebody else -
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striking them dead,
striking them blind.
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We also have tomb curses
or grave curses.
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- [Reading] "Death... eternal
punishment for...
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anyone who opens this casket."
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Good heavens,
what a terrible curse!
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- In ancient texts,
curses were pronounced, so...
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it was premised on the belief
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that words had creative power.
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Pronouncing the curse
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will have an effect in
the real world.
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Just by speaking something,
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you could make something
happen.
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- The occult colours
mainstream life
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in ways that we rarely suspect.
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Lots of people in public life,
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probably in the same measure
as those in private life,
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are interested in divination,
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tarot, dream interpretation.
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- We've come to have our
fortunes told.
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Can you really read the future?
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- I will not disappoint you,
my lady.
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- There are people today
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in different parts
of the United States
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and other parts of the world
who will still pay somebody
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to curse a troublesome
neighbour
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or to curse a love partner
who jilted them.
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- In this day and age,
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witchcraft's huge,
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folk magic's huge.
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We got hoodoo, we got voodoo,
we got Konja.
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There's all kinds of different
magics out there.
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I've been a witch
my whole life.
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I talk to spirit just like
I talk to you sitting here.
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It's just this is normal
to me.
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And some people out there
are just -
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I will even say - are just
so out there,
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I can't believe it.
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♪♪♪
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♪♪♪
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- Black Magician.
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Yeah, absolutely,
Black Magician.
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You know, it's not filmmaking
that I do,
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and it's not necessarily
just vlogging.
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It's doing black magic,
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performing as crazy and
out-there rituals as I can.
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Just kinda pushing the envelope
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further and further
and further,
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for myself and documenting
that for video.
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Three, two, one, go.
[Claps]
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Hey, guys. It's E.A. Koetting.
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Is it possible for a film set
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or a film production
to be cursed?
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From a Black Magician's
standpoint,
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this is a tricky question
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because, for the most part,
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in order for there to be
an actual curse,
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you have to have somebody
on the other end of it
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pushing that curse -
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another Black Magician
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that's trying to harm somebody
through that curse.
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For example, Satanists
who might not like films
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mocking their religion.
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- There was some watered-down
versions of Satanism.
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It could be that the Satanists
didn't like that portrayal.
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- After spending a week
searching for these people,
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I finally met their leader.
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As he explained his beliefs
and methods,
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I realized I was dealing
with a maniac.
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- There was a time,
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especially back when those
movies were coming out there,
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that Satanists were concerned
with some PR work.
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- In the making of "The Omen",
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I got a lot of crackpot
threats.
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One of these terrible letters
I've gotten
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said my blood will run
on the streets
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for doing what I did.
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- Since we're talking about
films being cursed,
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we're gonna do a practical
experiment
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and see if we can curse a film
that's in production.
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It's one of the most unique
feelings
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to call on a destructive force
and to...
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let it flow through you.
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The feeling that I'm left with,
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whether I'm trying to kill
somebody through magic
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or I'm trying to destroy
a business
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or whatever it is,
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the emotion I'm left with
at the end of it
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is always humility.
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I'm just humbled by it.
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[Singing bowl resonates]
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- The premise of all curses
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is that pronouncing the curse
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will have an effect
in the real world.
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- [Unclear]
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I invoke doom
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for this empire,
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for this creation.
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- There's no one,
as far as I know,
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that pronounced a curse
on "The Omen".
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[Whispering]
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Oh.
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That was a very strongly
felt presence.
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[Crows caw]
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- The mere fact that...
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a production is looking
to encapsulate
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and embody the essence
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of many of these forces
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is where it begins.
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- Probably the most common
magic in the whole world
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and almost every culture
practices
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this type of magic on Earth,
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and it's called sympathetic
magic.
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The rules of sympathetic magic
are like attracts like.
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And in Hollywood
you're gonna know this
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by the Hollywood version
of the Voodoo Doll.
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- Look! An authentic
voodoo doll.
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Somebody already sent for it.
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- Get a doll and you get
somebody's hair
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and fingernails,
maybe their picture.
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Put 'em in the doll,
on the doll.
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And then you do the thing
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that you want to have happen
to the doll.
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- Ready for another shot, Dad?
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- And then that likeness
attracts it
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to the other person.
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Depicting a demonic curse
extremely accurately
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could bring the magic
of like attracts like to you.
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Oh, "The Omen", just like,
you know, the Antichrist.
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If the devil exists,
if the Antichrist exists,
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that's some pretty intense
energy to be depicting.
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- Yeeeee-haaaaw! Hooo!
- Yeee-haw!
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- The nature of the film
can be enough
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to kind of ignite
its own spark.
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You have many films -
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like you're talking about
"City Slickers" -
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that don't cross the threshold
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of creating a substantial
contact...
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- So long, cowboy.
330
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- ...'cause that film is
spiritually neutral.
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Horror does...
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seem to have that knack of uh...
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crossing the threshold
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into darker and dangerous
subject matter.
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- It's almost the perfect
cocktail of variables
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that get people thinking
about supernatural ideas
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and possibilities.
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When you watch a horror movie,
you're watching it to escape.
339
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Even though you know it's
a movie,
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you're thinking about things
341
00:16:49,312 --> 00:16:52,185
that are outside of
conventional thinking
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or scientific understanding
of the world.
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People become more
open-minded to,
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or more interested in,
supernatural ideas.
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And so when you watch
these movies,
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it just kind of puts you
in the right mindset
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to wanna see patterns
348
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or, you know,
believe in conspiracies
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or to believe in curses.
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- With "The Omen",
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what you have is a series of
coincidences or incidents
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then that people then weave
into a narrative
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about a curse.
354
00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,476
- That's what coincidence
theory is about,
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00:17:22,563 --> 00:17:25,131
just trying to get connections
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between what is rational
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and what is, uh, weird.
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And you know, on the one hand,
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rational can look weird, too.
360
00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:39,623
- Our brains are designed to
believe all sorts of things,
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whether there are ghosts,
poltergeists,
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angels and demons,
363
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:46,108
and gods and aliens
and conspiracies.
364
00:17:47,153 --> 00:17:49,416
We have all this propensity to
just see patterns everywhere,
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just assume everything
is connected.
366
00:17:54,203 --> 00:17:55,987
Okay, we're about to show you
a short clip
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of three basketball players
dressed in black
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and three basketball players
dressed in white.
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Each of them is passing
a basketball
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back and forth between
themselves.
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00:18:05,736 --> 00:18:08,870
Your task is to count
the number of passes
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between just the three
white-shirted players.
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All right, you ready?
374
00:18:14,876 --> 00:18:15,877
Go!
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[Sneakers squeak on floor]
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How many of you saw
the gorilla?
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What? What gorilla?
378
00:18:35,549 --> 00:18:37,072
Here it is again.
I'll rewind it.
379
00:18:37,159 --> 00:18:38,378
Oh, come on, that's a different
tape, Shermer!
380
00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:41,903
No, it's the same one.
381
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:43,644
So the famous gorilla
experiment,
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00:18:43,731 --> 00:18:46,603
this was done by Christopher
Chabris and his team
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in which they were testing
to what extent
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people do not see things
in their environment.
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00:18:53,262 --> 00:18:55,569
You know, it's like how could
you miss a gorilla?
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Well, 50% of subjects
don't see the gorilla.
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And the reason is 'cause
they're attending
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00:19:00,269 --> 00:19:01,575
to counting the number
of passes.
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00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:03,272
And by being focused on
one thing,
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00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,709
you might miss something
that's completely obvious,
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00:19:05,796 --> 00:19:07,363
right there in front of you.
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Half.
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This is interesting cognitively
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because it shows how much
we miss
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that's right there
in front of us.
396
00:19:16,894 --> 00:19:18,722
Not only do we see things
that are not real,
397
00:19:18,809 --> 00:19:20,681
we miss things that are real.
398
00:19:21,769 --> 00:19:25,251
Now we're talking about cursed
horror films.
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I'd like you to think about
putting those films
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that are cursed in a box.
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00:19:30,778 --> 00:19:32,997
And we're gonna put this box
right here
402
00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:35,217
and then we're gonna draw
a square around it
403
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:37,828
in which we have three other
boxes.
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00:19:37,915 --> 00:19:40,875
So, in this box, number one,
we have cursed horror films:
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00:19:40,962 --> 00:19:43,356
"Poltergeist" and "The Crow"
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00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,227
and "The Exorcist" and so on.
407
00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:47,229
Now what I want you
to think about is...
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00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:48,752
the second box over here,
409
00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:51,277
which are cursed
non-horror films:
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00:19:51,364 --> 00:19:53,322
Superman, you know -
411
00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:54,671
I mean, Christopher Reeves fell
off a horse, broke his neck -
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00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:56,412
and Apocalypse Now -
413
00:19:56,499 --> 00:19:58,458
you know, Martin Sheen
has a heart attack
414
00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:00,590
and all these weird things
that happen.
415
00:20:00,677 --> 00:20:03,114
Okay, why aren't we talking
about that cell?
416
00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,247
'Cause they're not horror
films.
417
00:20:05,334 --> 00:20:06,901
In this box down here,
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00:20:06,988 --> 00:20:10,861
I want you to think about
non-cursed horror films
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00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,124
like "The Shining".
420
00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,952
- Come and play with us,
Danny.
421
00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,259
- This is one of the scariest
films ever made.
422
00:20:17,346 --> 00:20:19,305
[Dramatic crescendo]
423
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:21,611
No curses.
424
00:20:21,698 --> 00:20:24,266
Or, more recently, "It"
425
00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:26,660
or "Get Out."
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00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:28,227
Why don't we notice those?
427
00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:29,750
And then the fourth category
of course, is...
428
00:20:29,837 --> 00:20:31,447
non-cursed, non-horror films.
429
00:20:31,534 --> 00:20:35,103
Pick any of them:
"Citizen Kane", "Casablanca"...
430
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:37,758
You know, people had long
careers after that.
431
00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:40,500
Nothing weird happened.
432
00:20:40,587 --> 00:20:42,415
So you have to keep in mind
all four categories
433
00:20:42,502 --> 00:20:44,939
and remind yourself, look,
I'm only focusing on this one,
434
00:20:45,026 --> 00:20:46,810
but all the other ones
put it into context.
435
00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:49,335
And when you see the bigger
picture you realize, okay,
436
00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:53,121
there's actually nothing
to be explained.
437
00:20:54,949 --> 00:20:57,299
- Seeing patterns in the world, that's how we form meaning,
438
00:20:57,386 --> 00:20:59,823
that's how we learn to exist.
439
00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:02,173
And that can extend to seeing
patterns
440
00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:04,350
where there aren't patterns.
441
00:21:04,437 --> 00:21:06,308
Maybe it's a significant
coincidence.
442
00:21:06,395 --> 00:21:09,355
Maybe it was a message sent
to me from somewhere.
443
00:21:10,617 --> 00:21:13,359
There's the case of
Mark Chapman,
444
00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:16,318
the guy who killed John Lennon.
445
00:21:16,405 --> 00:21:19,147
So he was outside John Lennon's apartment in New York City,
446
00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:22,193
wondering if he should actually go through with it.
447
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,718
And just at that moment,
Mia Farrow walked by
448
00:21:24,805 --> 00:21:28,374
and she starred in
Rosemary's Baby.
449
00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:31,420
And then he recognized that
the building,
450
00:21:31,507 --> 00:21:33,292
is called The Dakota.
451
00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:36,382
It was used in the filming
of Rosemary's Baby,
452
00:21:36,469 --> 00:21:39,820
which was directed by
Roman Polanski,
453
00:21:39,907 --> 00:21:41,343
whose wife, Sharon Tate,
454
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:44,128
was murdered by
the Manson family.
455
00:21:44,215 --> 00:21:46,740
And they were a fan
of the Beatles' song,
456
00:21:46,827 --> 00:21:48,611
Helter Skelter,
457
00:21:48,698 --> 00:21:51,048
and, of course, John Lennon
is in the Beatles.
458
00:21:51,135 --> 00:21:52,659
And he took this as a sign
459
00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:54,182
that he should go through
with it
460
00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:55,662
and kill John Lennon.
461
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,626
- Horror films tend to,
in a bizarre way,
462
00:22:03,713 --> 00:22:05,280
mirror real life.
463
00:22:05,367 --> 00:22:07,369
- What're they doing?
Why do they come here?
464
00:22:07,456 --> 00:22:09,415
- It's a kind of instinct,
465
00:22:09,502 --> 00:22:12,243
memory, what they used to do.
466
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,421
- The mirror of real life is
that we are frightened
467
00:22:15,508 --> 00:22:18,206
of things that could go wrong
in the world.
468
00:22:18,293 --> 00:22:21,949
It's the same reason
we love coincidence stories.
469
00:22:22,036 --> 00:22:25,996
We love coincidence stories
because it gives us a feeling
470
00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:28,912
that the world is smaller
than it is.
471
00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:32,133
- Yeah, see that word's kind
of a problem for us.
472
00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,178
We don't... witches uh...
473
00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:35,615
we just don't believe in
coincidence.
474
00:22:35,702 --> 00:22:39,096
There's action
and there's reaction.
475
00:22:39,183 --> 00:22:42,056
There's something happened
that caused that to happen,
476
00:22:42,143 --> 00:22:44,841
and some things are weird
and hard to explain.
477
00:22:46,713 --> 00:22:48,410
- There's a saying that
the greatest trick
478
00:22:48,497 --> 00:22:50,151
the devil ever played
479
00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:52,719
was to get people to not
believe that he exists.
480
00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:56,375
And I have a hard time
with that one as well
481
00:22:56,462 --> 00:23:00,030
because it's to the devil's
advantage to be known.
482
00:23:01,205 --> 00:23:03,686
Whether we're talking about
angels or demons or gods,
483
00:23:03,773 --> 00:23:06,689
the one thing that they want
is attention.
484
00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:09,562
- It's exciting to me
to actually to think
485
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:12,608
that the devil is a film fan.
486
00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:17,918
I don't want to like put my head into the logic of a devil,
487
00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:20,094
but just squeeze the heart
488
00:23:20,181 --> 00:23:22,226
if you wanna kill somebody.
489
00:23:22,313 --> 00:23:24,272
I don't know, maybe the devil
is a real artist
490
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,100
and likes the poetry of some
of these things.
491
00:23:26,187 --> 00:23:29,756
But even then, if the devil
was an artist,
492
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,322
and I'm not saying he isn't,
493
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,500
uh, I think he would go -
or she -
494
00:23:34,587 --> 00:23:38,504
would go to great pains
to really drive it home,
495
00:23:38,591 --> 00:23:40,593
like be killed by a kid.
496
00:23:41,681 --> 00:23:43,813
Because if you really wanna do
a curse on "The Omen",
497
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:48,035
you dress a kid in a little
Angus Young prep-boy uniform
498
00:23:48,122 --> 00:23:51,473
and have that kid show up
at the door, ring the bell,
499
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,215
and then just look at you funny and then your head explodes.
500
00:23:54,302 --> 00:23:56,304
[Doorbell rings]
Oh, the devil's here.
501
00:23:56,391 --> 00:23:58,045
[Laughter]
502
00:24:02,615 --> 00:24:05,966
- If Satan wants to stop
a project,
503
00:24:06,053 --> 00:24:07,489
if he wants to bring
a plane down,
504
00:24:07,576 --> 00:24:10,536
he's gonna bring a plane down.
505
00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:14,627
Actually, it seems like Satan
is helping the film.
506
00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:17,281
Every time there's a big
mishap,
507
00:24:17,368 --> 00:24:19,414
the IRA explosions,
for example,
508
00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:21,547
it was the crew that was safe
and other people that died.
509
00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:26,029
So how is it that Satan
is trying to stop the film
510
00:24:26,116 --> 00:24:27,727
and he keeps killing
other people?
511
00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:29,772
- To me, this is the opposite
of a curse.
512
00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:31,731
This is a blessing.
513
00:24:31,818 --> 00:24:33,515
If it was cursed,
wouldn't Gregory Peck
514
00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:36,170
have been on that flight?
515
00:24:36,257 --> 00:24:38,215
- But maybe we're looking
at this all wrong.
516
00:24:38,302 --> 00:24:41,392
Maybe these films aren't cursed
by the devil.
517
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,048
Maybe these films have been
blessed by the devil.
518
00:24:45,135 --> 00:24:48,008
Perhaps the devil has been
at work all along.
519
00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,054
When demons work in this world,
520
00:24:51,141 --> 00:24:53,796
they like to sign their
signature, their autograph,
521
00:24:53,883 --> 00:24:55,537
on everything that they touch
522
00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:57,278
so that those of us
who are paying attention
523
00:24:57,365 --> 00:25:00,281
can look and can see
the very clear signature
524
00:25:00,368 --> 00:25:01,978
of the powers of magic
525
00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:04,154
and the powers of darkness
in the world around us.
526
00:25:07,244 --> 00:25:08,811
- No, actually...
527
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:12,162
actually, I think it was
a blessed film production.
528
00:25:12,249 --> 00:25:14,208
Certainly, as far as
I was concerned.
529
00:25:14,295 --> 00:25:15,688
- No, I think it's just
the opposite.
530
00:25:15,775 --> 00:25:17,646
I think it was a very blessed
film.
531
00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:21,041
- In the end,
it all worked out.
532
00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:24,044
We were a big hit and uh...
everybody got through it.
533
00:25:25,132 --> 00:25:27,047
- I do think that these movies
534
00:25:27,134 --> 00:25:29,745
and the stories that sometimes
sprout up around them
535
00:25:29,832 --> 00:25:33,270
confirm people's senses,
rightly or wrongly,
536
00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:36,056
that we don't understand
everything in life.
537
00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:39,799
The Edwardian builders
of the Titanic
538
00:25:39,886 --> 00:25:42,845
who boasted that they built
an unsinkable ship
539
00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:45,456
didn't have it all figured out.
540
00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,242
Victor Frankenstein didn't
have it all figured out
541
00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:52,202
when he thought he could unlock the key to life.
542
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:54,074
But I'm not for a moment
suggesting
543
00:25:54,161 --> 00:25:56,990
that anybody should throw
rationalism out the window.
544
00:25:58,687 --> 00:26:01,342
- And it's obvious why
the devil would be doing this.
545
00:26:03,387 --> 00:26:05,999
This is the age of the
Antichrist.
546
00:26:06,086 --> 00:26:08,436
The devils have been let loose
upon the world.
547
00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:12,396
And they want to make sure
548
00:26:12,483 --> 00:26:14,616
that we know
that they are among us.
549
00:26:14,703 --> 00:26:19,926
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