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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,101 --> 00:00:03,865 Here's what film noir is to me. 2 00:00:04,304 --> 00:00:07,899 It's a righteous, generically American 3 00:00:08,708 --> 00:00:13,668 film movement that went from 1945 to 1958 4 00:00:13,913 --> 00:00:17,644 and exposited one great theme. And that theme is, you're... 5 00:00:18,385 --> 00:00:20,910 You have just met a woman, 6 00:00:21,021 --> 00:00:23,717 you are inches away from the greatest sex of your life, 7 00:00:23,957 --> 00:00:26,892 but within six weeks of meeting the woman, 8 00:00:27,127 --> 00:00:29,823 you will be framed for a crime you did not commit, 9 00:00:29,896 --> 00:00:31,727 and you will end up in the gas chamber. 10 00:00:31,831 --> 00:00:35,198 And as they strap you in and you're about to breathe the cyanide fumes, 11 00:00:35,268 --> 00:00:38,203 you'll be grateful for the few weeks you had with her, 12 00:00:38,271 --> 00:00:39,670 and grateful for your own death. 13 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,243 I didn't know what I was doing. 14 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:56,784 I didn't know anything except how much I hated. 15 00:00:57,991 --> 00:00:59,925 But I didn't take anything. 16 00:01:01,494 --> 00:01:02,722 I didn't, Jack. 17 00:01:05,532 --> 00:01:07,227 Won't you believe me? 18 00:01:08,001 --> 00:01:09,764 Baby, I don't care. 19 00:01:17,477 --> 00:01:19,570 In noir, people go to jail. 20 00:01:19,646 --> 00:01:22,137 Good men die. Criminals win. 21 00:01:22,248 --> 00:01:24,842 Evil triumphs over good. 22 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:27,853 You could almost say that film noir is the son of 23 00:01:27,987 --> 00:01:31,013 German expressionism and American tough guy. 24 00:01:31,157 --> 00:01:35,059 It's a pure genre. It was very, very gut-wrenching, 25 00:01:35,128 --> 00:01:39,394 appealing to your own, kind of, doubts and uncertainties. Late-night stuff. 26 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:42,765 I can't figure it. What do you see in a guy like me? 27 00:01:44,971 --> 00:01:46,700 I see a guy who's swell. 28 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:50,373 Who's kind and strong. That's what I see. 29 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:52,337 There's a certain naiveté. 30 00:01:52,545 --> 00:01:54,809 The characters are very clear what they want. 31 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:58,016 And we always know that most of them will fail. 32 00:01:58,184 --> 00:02:00,414 Oh, it's gonna be all right, Bill. You wait and see. 33 00:02:02,856 --> 00:02:03,845 Julie. 34 00:02:06,025 --> 00:02:07,515 I won tonight. 35 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:10,256 I won. 36 00:02:10,997 --> 00:02:13,989 Down these mean streets lurks... 37 00:02:14,667 --> 00:02:17,192 And so on. That's noir. 38 00:02:17,437 --> 00:02:20,304 I'm gonna go home and go to bed where I can't get into trouble. 39 00:02:20,373 --> 00:02:21,362 You think not? 40 00:02:23,643 --> 00:02:25,474 I'll see you all of a sudden, Sammy. 41 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:32,216 People confuse 42 00:02:33,653 --> 00:02:35,712 crime stories and noir. 43 00:02:36,055 --> 00:02:39,388 But the biggest difference I see is crime fiction tends to be realistic. 44 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:41,388 It tends to be in the here and now, 45 00:02:41,728 --> 00:02:45,858 and it tends to strive to shock you with just how gritty and real it is. 46 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:48,464 I find crime stories tend to be very literal, 47 00:02:49,102 --> 00:02:52,037 often quite boring, generally rather ugly to look at. 48 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:55,565 Whereas noir is gorgeous, it's all style, 49 00:02:55,909 --> 00:02:58,434 but it's the emotional realism is what you're after. 50 00:02:58,545 --> 00:03:01,742 It's not that you're divorcing yourself from reality, 51 00:03:01,915 --> 00:03:03,780 it's just you're saying, "'Reality is my clay. "' 52 00:03:03,883 --> 00:03:04,975 Don't come in. 53 00:03:05,051 --> 00:03:06,313 These are crime films. 54 00:03:06,386 --> 00:03:09,219 You know, they fall under the large umbrella of crime films. 55 00:03:09,322 --> 00:03:13,315 But certainly, the type of subject matter that distinguishes film noir 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,052 is this idea of total moral ambiguity 57 00:03:17,163 --> 00:03:19,461 that is inaugurated in The Maltese Falcon. 58 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:23,969 It's this sense that the hero is not necessarily grounded 59 00:03:24,037 --> 00:03:26,665 in any sense of right or wrong. 60 00:03:26,806 --> 00:03:29,502 And a large part of that has to do with the sense that the whole world 61 00:03:29,609 --> 00:03:33,136 is also one of radical instability. 62 00:03:33,279 --> 00:03:35,907 We didn't exactly believe your story, Miss O'Shaughnessy. 63 00:03:35,982 --> 00:03:37,506 We believed your $200. 64 00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:38,573 You mean that... 65 00:03:38,651 --> 00:03:40,846 I mean you paid us more than if you'd been telling us the truth, 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,444 and enough more to make it all right. 67 00:03:42,522 --> 00:03:46,049 There is a real political streak in these movies, 68 00:03:46,125 --> 00:03:48,320 because in the 1930s when Warner Brothers 69 00:03:48,394 --> 00:03:49,986 was cranking out gangster pictures, 70 00:03:50,496 --> 00:03:54,990 they were lessons to the public, like, "'Crime does not pay. "' 71 00:03:55,134 --> 00:03:59,264 Then noir came along after the War and complicated things, 72 00:03:59,372 --> 00:04:03,138 because you were asked to empathize and identify with those criminals 73 00:04:03,209 --> 00:04:06,144 in a way that wasn't really allowed in the 1930s. 74 00:04:06,346 --> 00:04:10,043 Because of the situation at the end of World War ll, 75 00:04:10,116 --> 00:04:13,108 the themes of these movies tend to be dark, cynical, 76 00:04:13,186 --> 00:04:14,881 and pessimistic about human nature. 77 00:04:15,622 --> 00:04:18,455 Film noir, unlike other film, 78 00:04:18,691 --> 00:04:23,458 feels no responsibility to reflect some sort of cinematic morality. 79 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:27,262 Film noir just is. It doesn't talk down to you, 80 00:04:27,967 --> 00:04:29,594 it doesn't condescend to you. 81 00:04:29,769 --> 00:04:33,296 It says to you, "'This is the way the world is, 82 00:04:33,506 --> 00:04:36,202 "'and this is the way the world is going to come out, 83 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:40,470 "'and we're not going to pretend that cinema has all of the answers. "' 84 00:04:41,014 --> 00:04:42,743 Aren't you in this deep enough? 85 00:04:42,982 --> 00:04:44,643 If you help them, won't it make it worse for you? 86 00:04:44,717 --> 00:04:46,014 That's the way it's got to be. 87 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:53,015 I can tell you I know it when I see it. 88 00:04:53,826 --> 00:04:55,623 But I don't know how to define it. 89 00:04:55,695 --> 00:04:58,596 Almost every element that you name 90 00:04:59,499 --> 00:05:03,094 as the definition of a noir film would apply to Casablanca, 91 00:05:03,169 --> 00:05:05,899 but you would not call Casablanca a noir film. 92 00:05:06,105 --> 00:05:08,869 Go ahead and shoot, you'll be doing me a favor. 93 00:05:09,842 --> 00:05:13,505 Film noir is a very elusive thing to define. 94 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:16,309 It's trench coats, it's intrigue, it's cigarettes, 95 00:05:16,382 --> 00:05:18,816 it's the lying between men about a woman, 96 00:05:19,118 --> 00:05:20,710 it's hidden motives, 97 00:05:20,787 --> 00:05:25,019 it's the psychological turning over of characters. 98 00:05:25,692 --> 00:05:28,024 I think it's a very elusive genre. 99 00:05:28,594 --> 00:05:33,122 You take some horrible sort of satisfaction in seeing people torn apart! 100 00:05:33,766 --> 00:05:36,894 They're headed for it, anyway. You're headed for it. 101 00:05:36,969 --> 00:05:39,233 You're hanging onto something that's gonna smack you. 102 00:05:39,305 --> 00:05:42,206 If I fold now, it smacks you later. If I stick, it smacks you sooner. 103 00:05:42,275 --> 00:05:43,469 But cleaner. 104 00:05:43,910 --> 00:05:45,400 Maybe that's why I'm sticking. 105 00:05:46,579 --> 00:05:49,343 Film noir is not a genre, it's a style. 106 00:05:49,415 --> 00:05:50,780 It crosses many genres. 107 00:05:50,883 --> 00:05:54,717 I know there are people that think that you can have a Western that's a noir. 108 00:05:58,191 --> 00:05:59,988 Or a war picture that's a noir. 109 00:06:00,626 --> 00:06:04,118 Generally, I tend to think that it's a crime thriller. 110 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:06,358 What designates a film as noir 111 00:06:06,432 --> 00:06:10,892 is when the writer and the director tell the story from the criminal's point of view. 112 00:06:10,970 --> 00:06:13,404 The audience is made to identify with the criminals. 113 00:06:14,407 --> 00:06:16,637 The way I figure, my luck's just gotta turn. 114 00:06:17,744 --> 00:06:21,111 One of these days I'll make a real killing, then I'm gonna head for home. 115 00:06:21,347 --> 00:06:23,542 First thing I do when I get there, I take a bath in the creek, 116 00:06:23,616 --> 00:06:24,947 and get the city dirt off me. 117 00:06:25,351 --> 00:06:27,046 That, to me, is a major distinction. 118 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,418 A picture like On Dangerous Ground is a noir, 119 00:06:29,489 --> 00:06:34,483 because Robert Ryan plays this cop who really has a psychotic streak in him, 120 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:37,829 and it's told through his eyes. And that's a noir. 121 00:06:37,997 --> 00:06:40,022 For me, film noir is 122 00:06:40,099 --> 00:06:43,330 a historical movement in the history of film. 123 00:06:43,703 --> 00:06:47,002 It began in earnest after World War ll, 124 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,876 it started to decline with the advent of television, 125 00:06:51,043 --> 00:06:53,671 and by the end of the '50s it was over. 126 00:06:54,447 --> 00:06:55,812 You're stubborn, but you're not afraid. 127 00:06:55,882 --> 00:06:57,372 You're an ex-con with a new beef around your neck, 128 00:06:57,450 --> 00:06:58,474 and I could hang you with it. 129 00:07:01,454 --> 00:07:02,614 Hang me, then. 130 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:06,850 One job like that and I'm your pet rat for the rest of my life. 131 00:07:07,226 --> 00:07:09,660 Film noir is not a genre, but it is in fact 132 00:07:09,862 --> 00:07:13,525 a kind of tone poem for film. 133 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:16,329 The visual tone as well as the psychology of the film. 134 00:07:16,402 --> 00:07:19,166 If you look at a film noir that's more or less typical, 135 00:07:19,238 --> 00:07:21,172 we could even use The Maltese Falcon. 136 00:07:21,507 --> 00:07:23,168 It has a certain world 137 00:07:23,242 --> 00:07:26,939 that has been established and created by the filmmakers, 138 00:07:27,380 --> 00:07:30,372 where the style and the content are very close together. 139 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:33,248 In a sense, it represents a world of extremes, 140 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:36,311 of shadows, of extremes in emotion, 141 00:07:37,190 --> 00:07:40,990 working in the, sort of, the seamy underbelly of San Francisco life, 142 00:07:41,661 --> 00:07:45,597 and the world is his world. He inhabits it, we inhabit it, 143 00:07:45,865 --> 00:07:49,596 and everything about it has to do with the tone and the style of the film 144 00:07:49,669 --> 00:07:51,500 being completely meshed into one. 145 00:07:54,273 --> 00:07:56,639 A genre, like a Western, a gangster, 146 00:07:56,943 --> 00:08:01,380 a space exploration kind of sci-fi film, a zombie film... 147 00:08:01,781 --> 00:08:04,750 These genres will exist in perpetuity 148 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:07,308 and they will always be reformulated. 149 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,945 Now, at one point they were being made in the film noir way. 150 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:16,758 Film noir is a language, which is deep shadows, 151 00:08:16,896 --> 00:08:20,730 strong angles, behavior over dialogue, 152 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:25,501 and as a language, that vocabulary can be used in a film 153 00:08:25,571 --> 00:08:28,597 in which its whole world is 154 00:08:28,941 --> 00:08:31,239 made up of those stylistic elements. 155 00:08:31,377 --> 00:08:34,972 But it can also be used as tools to create 156 00:08:35,081 --> 00:08:38,209 film noir of science fiction, like Blade Runner, 157 00:08:38,284 --> 00:08:41,014 which to me is very much a film noir 158 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:43,682 piece. 159 00:08:48,461 --> 00:08:52,693 Endless debate about the first film noir. What is it? 160 00:08:52,899 --> 00:08:55,493 Fritz Lang's M, made in 1931, 161 00:08:55,568 --> 00:08:58,264 not made in America but made in Germany 162 00:08:58,371 --> 00:09:00,931 gets a lot of votes. I won't argue the point. 163 00:09:01,274 --> 00:09:03,902 But in the United States there are several films. 164 00:09:04,110 --> 00:09:09,047 There's a small film made at RKO in 1940 called The Stranger on the Third Floor 165 00:09:09,649 --> 00:09:13,085 that really has all the hallmarks of noir, 166 00:09:13,152 --> 00:09:17,680 the visual look, the art direction, the cinematography, what the story is about. 167 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:21,687 It's complete, self-contained noir. There it is. 168 00:09:22,461 --> 00:09:24,861 He said himself he'd kill Nick if he only had a gun. 169 00:09:24,931 --> 00:09:28,560 When you look at the narrative elements that really define the genre, 170 00:09:28,634 --> 00:09:31,194 I think Detour is possibly not the earliest, 171 00:09:31,504 --> 00:09:36,532 but it's the most stripped-down B- movie film noir I'm aware of, 172 00:09:37,143 --> 00:09:39,668 which I think is actually in a lot of ways more interesting 173 00:09:40,246 --> 00:09:43,704 than the big, polished studio version of it that Citizen Kane was, 174 00:09:43,783 --> 00:09:46,377 however, you know, brilliant that was, and it's a great favorite of mine. 175 00:09:46,752 --> 00:09:49,380 There are some films even in the '30s 176 00:09:49,455 --> 00:09:52,356 that people have said are film noir, because they're very dark gangster films. 177 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:56,054 A lot of people think Double Indemnity is the first film noir, 178 00:09:56,128 --> 00:09:59,620 and many people think that it didn't happen until Murder, My Sweet. 179 00:09:59,899 --> 00:10:02,629 The papers didn't say much except that he wasn't shot. 180 00:10:03,369 --> 00:10:05,963 - How? - With a sap, only good. 181 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,074 If an elephant had stepped on his head, same effect. 182 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:11,876 For me, it's a style of the '40s, 183 00:10:11,944 --> 00:10:14,139 a most interesting style 184 00:10:14,213 --> 00:10:18,616 because it introduces more complexity, more ambiguity 185 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:20,513 into American cinema. 186 00:10:20,753 --> 00:10:24,621 It introduces characters who are not all good or bad. 187 00:10:25,424 --> 00:10:29,053 People who use pretty faces like you use yours don't live very long anyway. 188 00:10:29,762 --> 00:10:31,992 How do you think I should use my face? 189 00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:33,731 You're rolling your own dice, kid. 190 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,299 It had a lot to do with things held over from the Depression 191 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:40,430 because so many of the stories were based on the works of writers 192 00:10:40,539 --> 00:10:42,700 who were writing at the peak of their powers 193 00:10:42,775 --> 00:10:44,743 during the Great Depression. 194 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:46,869 And that's when you had Hammett and James M. Cain 195 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:49,915 and W.R. Burnett started writing these crime pictures, 196 00:10:49,982 --> 00:10:52,917 and Raymond Chandler started writing, and Cornell Woolrich. 197 00:10:53,119 --> 00:10:56,350 And there was a huge wave of these movies. 198 00:10:56,422 --> 00:10:58,151 I call it the "black tide" 199 00:10:58,391 --> 00:11:02,418 that washed over Hollywood in the post-World War ll years. 200 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:07,489 And it was indicative, I think, of America's loss of innocence. 201 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:09,334 What do you really think of me? 202 00:11:10,403 --> 00:11:13,133 You impress me as a man who needs a new suit of clothes 203 00:11:13,205 --> 00:11:14,604 or a new love affair, 204 00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:17,331 but he doesn't know which. 205 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:23,314 Screenwriters were determined to paint almost an anti-myth. 206 00:11:23,382 --> 00:11:25,976 If Hollywood in the Depression was selling the idea of 207 00:11:26,052 --> 00:11:27,815 "Don't worry about it," you know, "We'll get out of it," 208 00:11:27,887 --> 00:11:29,684 and, "We're eternally optimistic," 209 00:11:30,489 --> 00:11:32,081 now that World War ll had passed, 210 00:11:32,158 --> 00:11:34,718 and we'd all seen just how bad it could really get, 211 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:37,028 they were saying, "'Hey, you know, it's time to grow up, "' 212 00:11:37,096 --> 00:11:40,827 and, "'That happily-ever-after thing is an abomination, in a way. "' 213 00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:45,003 And so they created what essentially was an anti-myth 214 00:11:45,171 --> 00:11:46,832 in these crime dramas. 215 00:11:46,906 --> 00:11:51,570 You know, that the world is, at heart, a really nasty, dark, ugly place. 216 00:11:51,944 --> 00:11:55,744 And finally, I guess, American audiences were ready to accept that. 217 00:11:59,185 --> 00:12:01,050 Sounds like a soul in hell. 218 00:12:03,289 --> 00:12:05,757 I think World War ll changed how we saw movies in many ways. 219 00:12:05,825 --> 00:12:08,350 Bogart could not have been a hero before World War ll. 220 00:12:08,427 --> 00:12:11,021 The country was really more sophisticated and willing to accept 221 00:12:11,263 --> 00:12:14,130 a different kind of reality than they had before the War. 222 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,067 Everyone grew up in World War ll. 223 00:12:16,135 --> 00:12:19,662 And it was everything from existentialism to film noir that would really say, 224 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:20,933 "'There is a dark side out there. "' 225 00:12:21,006 --> 00:12:22,564 Now we start looking at each other again. 226 00:12:23,309 --> 00:12:25,470 We don't know what we're supposed to do. 227 00:12:25,544 --> 00:12:27,239 We don't know what's supposed to happen. 228 00:12:27,947 --> 00:12:29,608 We're too used to fighting. 229 00:12:30,282 --> 00:12:32,182 But we just don't know what to fight. 230 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:35,216 Between the end of World War ll and the atomic age 231 00:12:35,287 --> 00:12:36,618 and the threat of annihilation, 232 00:12:36,689 --> 00:12:39,453 suddenly you're looking at a world that is not comfortable in any way. 233 00:12:39,558 --> 00:12:42,652 You've fought the great battle for democracy and you've won, 234 00:12:42,728 --> 00:12:44,389 and yet death is hanging over you. 235 00:12:44,730 --> 00:12:47,995 Keeley, what's happened? Has everything suddenly gone crazy? 236 00:12:48,067 --> 00:12:51,002 I don't mean just this, I mean everything, or is it just me? 237 00:12:53,038 --> 00:12:54,528 Oh, it's not just you. 238 00:12:55,074 --> 00:12:57,634 The snakes are loose. Anybody can get them. 239 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:01,313 I get them myself, but they're friends of mine. 240 00:13:02,381 --> 00:13:05,942 We, culturally, pop-culturally, we always look for a metaphor. 241 00:13:06,585 --> 00:13:10,681 The same way that the Soviet threat was turned into aliens and spaceships, 242 00:13:11,056 --> 00:13:12,546 and flying saucers. 243 00:13:12,892 --> 00:13:15,417 The frustration of returning soldiers, 244 00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:17,621 coming back thinking they'd created a utopia 245 00:13:17,997 --> 00:13:20,192 and finding out it was still the same crappy old world, 246 00:13:20,299 --> 00:13:24,235 translated into this entire genre of a chaotic world 247 00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:29,206 that had to be redressed by these lonely men who would sort things out. 248 00:13:29,742 --> 00:13:33,234 With World War ll, the country was very reluctant to get into the war, 249 00:13:33,746 --> 00:13:36,078 as are most of the heroes in film noir. 250 00:13:36,182 --> 00:13:38,446 They know that they're getting involved in something bad, 251 00:13:38,784 --> 00:13:41,116 but they have to do it for whatever reason. 252 00:13:41,187 --> 00:13:45,453 They're compelled into it, and once there, they learn 253 00:13:45,524 --> 00:13:49,119 that no matter how much they thought they had control over the situation, 254 00:13:49,395 --> 00:13:53,195 they don't. And that everything ended badly, even if you won. 255 00:13:53,966 --> 00:13:55,092 He's just a kid. 256 00:13:55,301 --> 00:13:58,168 Yeah, that's what I said once. 257 00:13:58,604 --> 00:14:00,094 Maybe you'll be lucky. 258 00:14:00,472 --> 00:14:02,440 Maybe they won't send him back to prison. 259 00:14:03,209 --> 00:14:05,040 Maybe he'll get himself killed first. 260 00:14:05,477 --> 00:14:08,071 There is a definite ratcheting up of screen violence 261 00:14:08,147 --> 00:14:10,377 in the American cinema of the '40s. 262 00:14:10,449 --> 00:14:13,441 Filmmakers and writers and cameramen 263 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,317 learning how to negotiate the production code. 264 00:14:16,388 --> 00:14:19,789 At this point, it's been refined to a sort of fine art. 265 00:14:19,892 --> 00:14:23,953 So we do have scenes of strange sadism and cruelty 266 00:14:24,063 --> 00:14:26,327 which are really quite extraordinary. 267 00:14:28,834 --> 00:14:30,825 I've never spoken to anybody who was involved 268 00:14:30,903 --> 00:14:32,666 in the production of one of these films 269 00:14:32,805 --> 00:14:34,898 in the original noir era, 270 00:14:35,007 --> 00:14:37,373 who knew that what they were doing was film noir. 271 00:14:37,443 --> 00:14:39,536 They laugh when you tell that to them now. 272 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,039 We didn't know it was film noir. 273 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,408 I was just shooting a picture with a mood that I thought it needed, 274 00:14:44,483 --> 00:14:47,884 and also would give me time to work with the actors 275 00:14:47,953 --> 00:14:50,717 and less time for lighting and more time for working with the people 276 00:14:50,789 --> 00:14:52,757 so that I could get better work out of them. 277 00:14:52,825 --> 00:14:55,157 And it worked beautifully, and thank God it caught on. 278 00:14:55,661 --> 00:14:58,391 - Sorry, I've already got a fare. - You sure have, two of them. 279 00:14:58,497 --> 00:14:59,486 Yes, sir. 280 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:03,023 During World War ll, all of the Hollywood studio films 281 00:15:03,102 --> 00:15:06,538 that sort of defined this new style of filmmaking were embargoed 282 00:15:06,605 --> 00:15:07,697 and they didn't see them in France. 283 00:15:07,806 --> 00:15:12,869 So there was a big retrospective of American movies in Paris in 1946. 284 00:15:13,112 --> 00:15:15,103 And they sort of noticed a shift, 285 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:18,274 a sort of seismic shift in American movies 286 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:21,183 where they suddenly became much darker. 287 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:24,916 Where the themes were darker, where the look of the film was darker. 288 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:27,458 There was shadowy lighting, chiaroscuro lighting. 289 00:15:27,526 --> 00:15:31,189 There was violence. Much more violence than there had ever been. 290 00:15:31,497 --> 00:15:35,866 Psychology, Freudianism, existentialism, all these things 291 00:15:36,001 --> 00:15:38,526 were in these movies and they were shocked to see all this, 292 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:40,128 and so they began to write about it. 293 00:15:40,205 --> 00:15:43,868 And they described it as film noir, literally "'black film. "' 294 00:15:43,976 --> 00:15:48,504 But the French were actually very amenable to this stuff before then 295 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:50,172 because they were doing it themselves. 296 00:15:50,249 --> 00:15:53,741 French poetic realism, the films that Jean Gabin made 297 00:15:53,819 --> 00:15:55,252 and Marcel Carné 298 00:15:55,321 --> 00:15:58,017 were all very much leading up to this 299 00:15:58,090 --> 00:16:01,617 and there was a whole series of novels released in France 300 00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:04,162 from the late 1930s, the Serie Noir 301 00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:08,097 which speaks to that idea that there is a noir content, 302 00:16:08,167 --> 00:16:10,067 the type of story you're telling, 303 00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:13,434 and a noir style, the way you're telling the story. 304 00:16:13,539 --> 00:16:15,439 I'll take those for you. 305 00:16:23,148 --> 00:16:24,911 Great themes of film noir. 306 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:29,978 Institutional corruption, sexual obsession, and lives in great psychological duress. 307 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:33,886 You take those three elements, man, you can turn out a good crime story. 308 00:16:33,959 --> 00:16:35,824 Lieutenant! Lieutenant! 309 00:16:36,762 --> 00:16:39,253 That guy you saw in my office, he's just passing through. 310 00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:42,698 Shut up. I didn't see anybody. How could I? I wasn't here. 311 00:16:42,868 --> 00:16:46,770 What often drives a film noir is a crime. 312 00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:48,704 And I think, more importantly, 313 00:16:48,774 --> 00:16:51,334 a lot of times it's the aftermath of the crime. 314 00:16:51,410 --> 00:16:54,072 It's the perfect heist that goes wrong. 315 00:16:54,146 --> 00:16:56,546 A gun fires of its own accord and a man is shot 316 00:16:56,782 --> 00:16:59,910 and broken-down old harlots who are no good for anything but chasing kids 317 00:16:59,985 --> 00:17:01,213 has to trip over us. 318 00:17:01,286 --> 00:17:04,153 Blind accident. What can you do against blind accidents? 319 00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:06,851 It's seeing how people unravel under pressure. 320 00:17:06,925 --> 00:17:11,055 And a lot of what film noir is arises out of the aftermath of that crime. 321 00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:15,124 Hey, Dix. Dix. Isn't he the one with the reward on him? 322 00:17:15,267 --> 00:17:16,894 Mind your own business. 323 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,504 It's usually involved with some kind of crime, 324 00:17:19,571 --> 00:17:21,630 or some kind of disorder. 325 00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:25,336 And usually film noir doesn't say there's any solution to these problems 326 00:17:25,411 --> 00:17:28,312 and treats these forms of corruption as traps 327 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,781 that the heroes or the protagonists get caught up in. 328 00:17:31,950 --> 00:17:34,350 You know, paraphrasing Alfred Hitchcock, 329 00:17:34,420 --> 00:17:36,012 when he was talking about melodrama, 330 00:17:36,088 --> 00:17:39,057 he said that it was reality with all the boring parts taken out. 331 00:17:39,124 --> 00:17:43,652 Film noir is us, our basic, sexual, greedy, 332 00:17:43,729 --> 00:17:46,197 honorable, and evil natures. 333 00:17:46,331 --> 00:17:48,299 All right, Lacey. Get up. 334 00:17:51,303 --> 00:17:52,600 You slob, you. 335 00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:55,638 I think, for me, film noir is best defined, really, 336 00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:59,871 by the idea of character being defined through action. 337 00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:02,743 You have a set of characters engaged in a complex story 338 00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:07,650 and you are not able to judge these characters until the end. 339 00:18:07,719 --> 00:18:09,687 And then you have to assess them through their actions, 340 00:18:09,755 --> 00:18:11,450 through the "who did what to whom. " 341 00:18:11,523 --> 00:18:13,582 'Cause that's the tension in noir. 342 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:17,254 We're not always sure who is the bad guy or the bad lady. 343 00:18:17,362 --> 00:18:20,889 - No, I'm going to pick up a cab. - Swell, we'll share one. 344 00:18:21,366 --> 00:18:24,358 I'm afraid not. We go in different directions. 345 00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:26,962 That's where you're wrong. 346 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:29,633 We're going in the same direction, you and I. 347 00:18:29,708 --> 00:18:32,404 What could be more noir than the anticipation 348 00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:36,742 of the ultimate denouement, which is death? 349 00:18:36,815 --> 00:18:39,579 The traditional noir ending is often grim, isn't it? 350 00:18:39,651 --> 00:18:43,951 It's the bleeding to death in the gutter which is inherited from the gangster film. 351 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:48,449 Fred MacMurray dropping dead in the office at the end of Double Indemnity. 352 00:18:48,527 --> 00:18:51,087 That's how a proper noir ending is. 353 00:18:51,163 --> 00:18:54,496 Or even just the trap closing in, the police arriving 354 00:18:54,566 --> 00:18:58,434 and taking away the regular guy who's been tempted into crime. 355 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,496 You take him in. I'll book this guy myself. 356 00:19:01,673 --> 00:19:05,040 One of the rules of film noir, one of the unspoken rules, 357 00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:07,840 is the last line of the film. 358 00:19:07,913 --> 00:19:11,906 That the film really is playing until its very last line. 359 00:19:12,184 --> 00:19:15,745 The Killing defines film noir in its last two lines. 360 00:19:16,555 --> 00:19:19,820 The woman turns to Sterling Hayden, the police are coming, he knows he's screwed, 361 00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:22,019 and she says, "Johnny, you've got to run. " 362 00:19:22,094 --> 00:19:23,789 And he just says, 363 00:19:25,364 --> 00:19:27,161 "What's the difference?" 364 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:30,163 And his delivery, the way in which he delivers it, 365 00:19:30,235 --> 00:19:34,103 and then walks into the arms of the policemen is so fantastic. 366 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,403 It's probably the most brutal vision of noir. 367 00:19:36,475 --> 00:19:40,775 It's the idea of, "Yeah, life is nasty, brutish and short, 368 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:42,609 "'but also cheap. "' 369 00:19:49,254 --> 00:19:52,121 The biggest challenge facing the writers of these scripts 370 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:55,319 was that they had to work within the limits of the production code. 371 00:19:55,394 --> 00:19:58,488 So they had to figure out very subtle ways 372 00:19:58,564 --> 00:20:02,660 of conveying all this sexuality and greed 373 00:20:02,734 --> 00:20:05,567 and lust and all this illicit stuff. 374 00:20:05,637 --> 00:20:08,435 We ought to get along fine, I'm a gambler myself. 375 00:20:10,609 --> 00:20:12,839 How high do you like to play? 376 00:20:13,612 --> 00:20:16,172 If I told you, you wouldn't believe me. 377 00:20:17,416 --> 00:20:21,216 You will find in these films, tremendous sexual symbolism. 378 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,684 Cigarettes are used in 379 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,490 many ways that you didn't really understand. 380 00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:29,959 "'Oh, yeah. That's what the cigarette actually represents. "' 381 00:20:30,262 --> 00:20:33,959 You know, trains into tunnels and all those kind of things. 382 00:20:34,733 --> 00:20:36,598 Sexuality in film noir, 383 00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:41,729 it permeates the whole movie from start to finish. 384 00:20:42,107 --> 00:20:43,665 Either through the music, 385 00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:47,178 but certainly through the innuendo and the dialogue. 386 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:49,839 I need a drink. What do you need, Miss Doyle? 387 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:51,746 Well, let's say a drink. 388 00:20:51,817 --> 00:20:54,650 Film noir movies are often very sexual. 389 00:20:55,053 --> 00:20:59,615 But they're sexual in a much more dark, 390 00:21:00,192 --> 00:21:03,059 violent, animalistic way 391 00:21:03,128 --> 00:21:06,029 rather than anything that might be called love. 392 00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:08,726 He's kind of exciting and attractive. 393 00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:11,832 - Who's attractive? Who's exciting? - Earl! 394 00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,098 The thing that's great about noir is 395 00:21:14,172 --> 00:21:18,040 that this collaboration between the writers 396 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:20,442 and the directors and the actors 397 00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:23,276 really created a tone for these pictures 398 00:21:23,348 --> 00:21:26,647 and there was no way the production code could fight that. 399 00:21:27,352 --> 00:21:30,583 There's those ways of creating a sexual tension 400 00:21:31,323 --> 00:21:33,985 that has actually nothing to do with a kiss, a hug, an embrace, 401 00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:38,496 but more between what could be and is not quite going to happen. 402 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:40,363 For another nickel we can have a rumba. 403 00:21:40,432 --> 00:21:43,765 No thanks. Save your money. Hard times are coming. 404 00:21:43,835 --> 00:21:46,395 It's 1945 to 1958. 405 00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:50,540 Sexuality has not been bandied about, dissected, discarded, 406 00:21:50,742 --> 00:21:52,937 re-invented, de-mythologized, 407 00:21:53,011 --> 00:21:55,809 re-re-mythologized and deconstructed 408 00:21:55,881 --> 00:21:59,248 the way it has 50 and 60 years later. 409 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:00,979 It still had some panache. 410 00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:04,113 It was something that people didn't talk about openly 411 00:22:04,189 --> 00:22:07,090 but did fervently behind closed doors. 412 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:09,992 But in somewhat less volume than today. 413 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:13,862 So, it had the odd power of the illicit. 414 00:22:14,366 --> 00:22:19,030 And I will only close with this about sex, the great joke of the 1950s, 415 00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:23,871 "I want to find the guy who invented sex and ask him what he's working on now. " 416 00:22:28,914 --> 00:22:31,644 I think the film noir filmmakers 417 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:34,842 were really filmmakers for B-films. 418 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,488 And if you look back at the history of Hollywood 419 00:22:37,556 --> 00:22:41,185 in the '40s and '50s, huge numbers of films were being made. 420 00:22:41,259 --> 00:22:44,717 And they were made either with large budgets, A-category films, 421 00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:47,128 or small budgets, and those were the B-films. 422 00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:50,293 I think young filmmakers then, that's how they learned to make movies. 423 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,234 They were shuttled into the low-budget films 424 00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:53,896 and they were given pretty much free reign 425 00:22:53,972 --> 00:22:56,099 because they were made under the radar completely. 426 00:22:56,174 --> 00:23:00,508 But these films were largely made to fill the lower part of a double bill 427 00:23:00,579 --> 00:23:03,047 in order to have a long evening's entertainment at the theater. 428 00:23:03,115 --> 00:23:08,018 So they were, in a strange way, a creation of the distribution system in America. 429 00:23:08,086 --> 00:23:12,147 A lot of these films were made by émigrés who came from Europe. 430 00:23:12,758 --> 00:23:14,555 And I'm thinking of people like Fritz Lang 431 00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:16,821 who, at the height of Ufa, in Germany, 432 00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:19,557 pioneered a lot of the techniques of film noir. 433 00:23:19,998 --> 00:23:24,697 Also, Billy Wilder came from this same, sort of, cooking school of Ufa, so to speak, 434 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:29,830 and brought all the ingredients to America and used them freely. 435 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:32,100 Things like the American horror film... 436 00:23:32,177 --> 00:23:34,407 I think, was a big influence on film noir. 437 00:23:34,479 --> 00:23:36,037 I think, for instance, it's a shame 438 00:23:36,114 --> 00:23:39,277 that Val Lewton's movies are never considered as noir, 439 00:23:39,351 --> 00:23:43,219 because basically they get very early in the cycle and do things... 440 00:23:43,288 --> 00:23:46,451 I mean, something like The Seventh Victim, even Cat People 441 00:23:46,525 --> 00:23:49,358 is a very film noir look movie. 442 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,591 And, you know, Jacques Tourneur goes from the Lewton films 443 00:23:52,664 --> 00:23:54,063 to making Out of the Past, 444 00:23:54,132 --> 00:23:56,396 which, if you have to pick one film noir, that's it. 445 00:23:56,468 --> 00:24:00,632 That's got... Every possible aspect of noir is in that picture. 446 00:24:00,906 --> 00:24:04,398 It was a very complex phenomenon, noir, the style. 447 00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:07,436 It had antecedents in German expressionistic film 448 00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:10,140 between 1919 and 1938. 449 00:24:10,615 --> 00:24:14,881 That laid out the formal systems for film noir. 450 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:18,519 Lighting schemes, staging, as well as subject matter 451 00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:21,491 because German expressionistic film was dealing with 452 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,791 men who were coming apart. 453 00:24:23,862 --> 00:24:26,228 Human beings who were coming apart. 454 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,199 A lot of the people who were the technicians of film noir, 455 00:24:33,271 --> 00:24:36,729 directors, cinematographers, were out of Germany. 456 00:24:37,075 --> 00:24:40,806 And so, they were very influenced by that movement in the 1920s. 457 00:24:41,413 --> 00:24:44,814 The house style that was devised at Warner Brothers, 458 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:48,651 from the entrance of Michael Curtiz in the late '20s, 459 00:24:49,054 --> 00:24:50,885 a Hungarian Jew 460 00:24:51,189 --> 00:24:54,317 who was trained in the Norway film industry, 461 00:24:54,392 --> 00:24:58,226 and Norway film industry really was the forerunner of German expressionism, 462 00:24:58,296 --> 00:25:00,856 so he knew German expressionism through and through. 463 00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:03,025 He brought this style to Warner Brothers 464 00:25:03,101 --> 00:25:06,901 and it was complemented by the visual designer there, Anton Grot, 465 00:25:06,972 --> 00:25:09,065 again, an Eastern European 466 00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:11,335 who knew German expressionism through and through. 467 00:25:11,409 --> 00:25:13,900 And so you take a look at these classic gangster films 468 00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:16,004 and classic G-men films at Warner Brothers. 469 00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:17,810 It's a dry run for noir. 470 00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:19,441 No, no, it's all right. 471 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:22,214 What's the difference? I've seen everything. 472 00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:30,561 Film noir is a wonderful genre for cinematographers, 473 00:25:30,729 --> 00:25:35,496 simply because we can create a light that behaves like its own character. 474 00:25:36,101 --> 00:25:37,227 When I think of noir, 475 00:25:37,502 --> 00:25:40,130 I always think of diagonals, 476 00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:43,003 things not being level, not being straight, 477 00:25:43,308 --> 00:25:45,674 because nothing is quite on the level. 478 00:25:45,744 --> 00:25:47,268 Nothing is what it seems. 479 00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:51,907 There's just a very menacing mood. The camera angles are askew. 480 00:25:51,983 --> 00:25:56,386 You're never quite sure of where you're at in this world. 481 00:25:56,621 --> 00:25:58,555 Shoot up, shoot down. 482 00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:03,558 It's a way of attacking space, because harmonic space is your enemy, 483 00:26:03,795 --> 00:26:07,390 because harmonic space represents a secure world 484 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,193 and you are in an insecure world. 485 00:26:10,835 --> 00:26:14,896 In your classic noir movie, the camera's used in two different ways. 486 00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:18,136 It has to express not just what's happening in the scene, 487 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:20,768 but it has to express the psychological depth 488 00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:23,780 or problems of the characters in the scene itself. 489 00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:27,875 It's telling the story, but it's also presenting a stylized viewpoint 490 00:26:27,953 --> 00:26:30,114 of abstract concepts. 491 00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:32,746 So a lot of the great moments in film noir, 492 00:26:32,824 --> 00:26:35,725 are not looking straight at somebody but from a weird position 493 00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:38,854 that, as an audience, makes you feel a little uncomfortable, a little nervous 494 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:40,454 a little tension. 495 00:26:41,299 --> 00:26:43,096 Is that the patrol? 496 00:26:44,469 --> 00:26:47,267 It's the wind in the telephone wires over on the highway. 497 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:51,139 Relativity is important to me. Going from light to dark, dark to light. 498 00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:55,975 And film noir is... I find it fascinating when I watch it. 499 00:26:56,047 --> 00:26:59,949 I've always considered it this kind of stark, graphic lighting. 500 00:27:00,018 --> 00:27:02,179 There are a lot of graphics in the lighting. 501 00:27:02,253 --> 00:27:04,778 I've always felt it's what you don't see 502 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:07,615 that's kind of disturbing. 503 00:27:07,692 --> 00:27:10,627 So you don't quite know what's going on. 504 00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:13,563 Not seeing the face is fascinating, too. 505 00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:18,660 Seeing that little bit of shimmer on skin or the way the hat is against the blinds. 506 00:27:19,504 --> 00:27:22,564 You know? It's a more mythic way 507 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:26,008 of dealing with light and dark, good and evil. 508 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,444 You have to have rain. You have to have smoke. 509 00:27:30,515 --> 00:27:32,244 You have to have dark shadows. 510 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:34,376 You have to have, maybe, moving light. 511 00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:38,047 You have to have some kind of a light pattern that the characters walk through. 512 00:27:38,123 --> 00:27:41,286 So, maybe it's a fence, maybe it's a window pattern, 513 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,988 maybe it's a shadow of a tree, maybe it's tree branches. 514 00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:48,863 So that's the visual language that we work with when we do film noir. 515 00:27:48,933 --> 00:27:53,131 And I still feel that the black and white noirs are the best. 516 00:27:53,204 --> 00:27:54,831 In color film, 517 00:27:54,906 --> 00:27:58,239 the lighting has never been able to achieve the degree of precision 518 00:27:58,309 --> 00:28:00,334 that you see even in Hollywood B-movies. 519 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:02,380 - One more job? - No. 520 00:28:03,281 --> 00:28:05,613 - One more job? A big one. - No, I'm afraid. 521 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:09,916 The originality of film noir is you had these technicians from Germany 522 00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:13,116 who loved to split everything into shadows and fractured light. 523 00:28:13,191 --> 00:28:14,886 The Letter with Bette Davis, 524 00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:17,826 is a beautiful example of a film with the German kind of lighting in it. 525 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,198 Then you had the post-war movement 526 00:28:24,269 --> 00:28:26,499 of getting out of the studio and shooting in the streets. 527 00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:29,938 A lot of the technology which freed the film noir 528 00:28:30,175 --> 00:28:33,076 was actually pioneered during the war. 529 00:28:33,144 --> 00:28:35,510 High speed lenses, fast film, 530 00:28:36,081 --> 00:28:38,345 the mag stock for sound 531 00:28:38,416 --> 00:28:41,908 which liberated the cameras so that you could actually take it on the street. 532 00:28:41,986 --> 00:28:45,422 Lightweight cameras came into existence, hence the hand-held camera. 533 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:47,117 And so, they were out in the streets 534 00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:49,717 shooting films that were being shot in 10 days, 535 00:28:49,794 --> 00:28:51,762 and still trying to use that kind of lighting. 536 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:54,765 And it made for a very original and fresh world. 537 00:28:58,536 --> 00:29:00,367 In Nicholas Ray's They Live by Night 538 00:29:00,438 --> 00:29:02,463 it's famous because it was actually the first film 539 00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:05,634 to actually use a helicopter shot to open the picture. 540 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:08,907 And that sort of innovative camera technique 541 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:12,040 Nicholas Ray continued to use throughout the film. 542 00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:15,678 Very daring stuff, putting the camera in the back of the car, 543 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:18,018 things from Farley Granger's perspective. 544 00:29:18,089 --> 00:29:19,420 It's brilliant. 545 00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:21,721 I mean, Nicholas Ray directed that picture like it was 546 00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:23,420 not only the first movie he was going to direct, 547 00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:25,827 but the last movie he was going to direct. 548 00:29:25,897 --> 00:29:27,421 We move fast. 549 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,032 - Can you take it? - Me? 550 00:29:29,501 --> 00:29:32,834 - You. - Sure. I can rip myself up to anything. 551 00:29:33,071 --> 00:29:35,301 You see it in a lot of noir films 552 00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:38,274 where all of a sudden the camera assumes the perspective 553 00:29:38,343 --> 00:29:41,335 of the protagonist and it's a wonderful little gimmick 554 00:29:41,412 --> 00:29:43,676 for making the audience empathize. 555 00:29:43,748 --> 00:29:47,206 The most extreme example being Robert Montgomery's decision 556 00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:50,277 to shoot all of the Lady in the Lake from Philip Marlowe's perspective. 557 00:29:50,355 --> 00:29:54,951 Not that Marlowe is a heavy in that film or a true noir protagonist, 558 00:29:55,226 --> 00:29:58,821 but, I mean, that is a pretty daring thing to do. 559 00:29:58,897 --> 00:30:01,365 Please don't be so difficult to get along with. 560 00:30:01,432 --> 00:30:04,094 - I need help. - Like I need four thumbs. 561 00:30:04,402 --> 00:30:07,667 You never saw the actor who played the lead, 562 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:10,798 except in the mirror. You only saw what he saw. 563 00:30:10,875 --> 00:30:13,844 Which was me. That was what was so unusual about it. 564 00:30:13,912 --> 00:30:15,971 The setting of where they happen is very important. 565 00:30:16,047 --> 00:30:18,345 Usually urban settings. 566 00:30:18,416 --> 00:30:21,681 That world has to become part of the film noir world. 567 00:30:21,886 --> 00:30:24,946 The tenderloin district or the police precinct district 568 00:30:25,023 --> 00:30:29,551 or the seedy, strange places that you go to, to investigate a crime. 569 00:30:29,627 --> 00:30:34,564 It becomes this very precise and contained film noir world. 570 00:30:34,632 --> 00:30:36,691 You know, you don't see kids in film noir movies, 571 00:30:36,768 --> 00:30:39,032 you don't see a lot of normal things. 572 00:30:42,707 --> 00:30:46,268 There is that whole sense of the whirlpool. 573 00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:49,541 A kind of a Freudian sense of being sucked down 574 00:30:49,614 --> 00:30:52,549 and being lost in the primal mystery. 575 00:30:52,617 --> 00:30:53,948 What's the big idea? 576 00:30:54,018 --> 00:30:56,953 Being trapped is essential 577 00:30:57,255 --> 00:30:58,882 to the whole noir ethos. 578 00:30:58,957 --> 00:31:02,188 You've done something and now you can't get out of it. 579 00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:04,694 Even if it's something that takes place in the great outdoors, 580 00:31:04,762 --> 00:31:08,926 invariably the film will be photographed and edited in such a way 581 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,992 that the protagonist feels completely trapped. 582 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:14,095 I wanted her to smile, but she wouldn't. 583 00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:17,038 I tried to make her smile. 584 00:31:17,108 --> 00:31:19,702 A lot of the locations and the types of environments 585 00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:21,540 that you're shooting film noirs in 586 00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:24,275 tend to be those which are closing in on the character 587 00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:26,078 as opposed to opening up. 588 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:28,618 You don't find a lot of film noirs in the desert. 589 00:31:28,686 --> 00:31:30,551 These films didn't cost a great deal of money, 590 00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:32,954 there wasn't a great deal of time to shoot them, 591 00:31:33,024 --> 00:31:35,356 and as a result you tended to minimize set-ups, 592 00:31:35,426 --> 00:31:38,918 and that's why you have a character in the extreme foreground 593 00:31:38,997 --> 00:31:41,727 and a character in the extreme background both facing the camera. 594 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,530 That way you could fit them both in the frame in a stylized and interesting manner 595 00:31:45,603 --> 00:31:48,538 and shoot the entire scene in one set-up. 596 00:31:48,673 --> 00:31:51,836 I think it might come as a surprise to a lot of people to realize 597 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,242 that the producers and directors of these films 598 00:31:54,312 --> 00:31:56,974 were being so creative, visually, 599 00:31:57,115 --> 00:31:59,879 to hide the fact that they had no budgets at all 600 00:31:59,951 --> 00:32:02,215 and the production values were terrible. 601 00:32:02,287 --> 00:32:04,915 So, it's like, "'Yeah. Let's cast a shadow over there 602 00:32:04,989 --> 00:32:08,220 "'because otherwise there's just an empty hole, there's nothing to look at. "' 603 00:32:08,293 --> 00:32:10,727 What could we do to get the attention of the executives, 604 00:32:10,795 --> 00:32:12,319 to show them that we had the talent? 605 00:32:12,397 --> 00:32:14,558 The only thing we could do was work in set-ups 606 00:32:14,632 --> 00:32:18,193 and in camera techniques and camera lighting, 'cause that didn't take any time. 607 00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:21,864 Actually, the lighting we developed, which became later known as film noir lighting 608 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:24,636 took far less time than classical lighting. 609 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,870 So, you know, you work fast like that you kind of make things up, 610 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,278 and you use techniques like the things that were created 611 00:32:30,348 --> 00:32:34,148 by a cameraman like John Alton were done through necessity. 612 00:32:34,218 --> 00:32:36,049 I think sometimes darkness 613 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,112 is more beautiful than light. 614 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:42,990 I think everybody has a certain sense, although they're not conscious of it, 615 00:32:43,061 --> 00:32:46,497 of how things change in the dark 616 00:32:46,564 --> 00:32:49,294 and the greatest things in the world happened at night. 617 00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:52,029 The good and the bad happens at night. 618 00:32:52,203 --> 00:32:54,797 The murders and the marriages 619 00:32:55,006 --> 00:32:57,167 and the love scenes, all at night. 620 00:32:57,508 --> 00:32:59,100 I don't know where the influence came from. 621 00:32:59,177 --> 00:33:01,975 I sometimes think it came from the street photographers 622 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:06,947 that were starting to capture, sort of, life on the streets in the big cities, 623 00:33:07,018 --> 00:33:09,782 and that the filmmakers then sort of used. 624 00:33:09,854 --> 00:33:14,052 They were influenced by that to go out and film on location 625 00:33:14,125 --> 00:33:17,458 and film at night on streets, in rain, and in cars. 626 00:33:17,762 --> 00:33:20,230 All those elements make the viewers 627 00:33:20,298 --> 00:33:25,031 respond to the story on an instinctual level rather than intellectual level. 628 00:33:25,103 --> 00:33:27,731 The visual style is a little bit more instinctual. 629 00:33:31,209 --> 00:33:35,441 Well, the environment of film noir is the urban world 630 00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:39,109 in mid-20th century America. 631 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:42,319 It is the depiction of this dark, 632 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,712 seductive fantasy world 633 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:48,418 that draws people to these movies above and beyond everything else. 634 00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:51,690 It's almost like a fevered dream of that world. 635 00:33:57,935 --> 00:33:59,835 The editing in a film noir, 636 00:33:59,904 --> 00:34:03,169 doesn't have to edit as fast as a lot of other genres. 637 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:05,402 And that's good, because it gives you time 638 00:34:05,476 --> 00:34:09,207 to sit in this mood and to be a little unsettled 639 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,374 by all the elements, editing being a big one of them. 640 00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:14,975 Editing in noir is amazing 641 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:19,012 because the stories are so complex sometimes, 642 00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:22,321 that just keeping track of things can be a challenge. 643 00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:25,726 So, in addition to the standard editing devices, 644 00:34:25,797 --> 00:34:28,095 you know, you'll see in noir 645 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,766 a kind of jumpy editing, 646 00:34:31,836 --> 00:34:34,634 sometimes used as a substitute for violence. 647 00:34:34,705 --> 00:34:37,469 Because there really isn't a lot of violence shown in these movies. 648 00:34:37,542 --> 00:34:39,908 People get the mistaken impression that somehow 649 00:34:39,977 --> 00:34:42,537 these are films with a lot of action and a lot of gunplay, 650 00:34:42,613 --> 00:34:45,207 and they really aren't. They're psychological dramas. 651 00:34:45,283 --> 00:34:49,049 And the editing sometimes plays a large part in that, 652 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,784 establishing a violence that they couldn't actually show on the screen at this time. 653 00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:56,988 I think the non-linear aspect 654 00:34:58,196 --> 00:35:01,324 of story-telling in film noir is one of the reasons that I love the genre. 655 00:35:01,399 --> 00:35:03,731 Greater narrative freedoms were allowed the filmmakers. 656 00:35:03,801 --> 00:35:06,531 There was an expectation of peculiar points of view. 657 00:35:06,604 --> 00:35:10,973 Whether it's a dead man narrating the film as in Sunset Blvd. 658 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:14,104 Or even if you look at some of the Val Lewton films. 659 00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:17,272 These films have always been free to adopt 660 00:35:17,348 --> 00:35:21,842 very peculiar narrative devices in order to play with audience expectation. 661 00:35:21,919 --> 00:35:23,750 Frankie was kidding himself. 662 00:35:24,188 --> 00:35:25,587 He was through. 663 00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:29,017 And when he went, the money would go with him. 664 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:33,859 Voice-over is an editorial tool that comes from writing, essentially, 665 00:35:33,931 --> 00:35:37,025 where the first person starts to tell his story, 666 00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:40,260 telling you what fate has brought him. 667 00:35:40,505 --> 00:35:43,497 You've got to watch them. You've got to watch them all the time. 668 00:35:43,574 --> 00:35:46,134 Because things happen when you least expect them. 669 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:52,582 The characters are so hard-bitten. 670 00:35:52,683 --> 00:35:55,481 So, I think sometimes filmmakers add a voice-over 671 00:35:55,553 --> 00:35:59,114 to try to give the audience an in into the character 672 00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:01,988 and the voice-over is always the character in the movie 673 00:36:02,059 --> 00:36:03,993 speaking directly to the audience. 674 00:36:04,061 --> 00:36:07,656 My feet hurt and my mind felt like a plumber's handkerchief. 675 00:36:08,432 --> 00:36:11,458 The office bottle hadn't sparked me up so I'd taken out my little black book 676 00:36:11,536 --> 00:36:13,094 and decided to go grouse-hunting. 677 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:15,901 The style of that voice-over, I think, 678 00:36:15,973 --> 00:36:19,670 is one of the things that's really characterized the attitude of the films. 679 00:36:19,744 --> 00:36:22,144 The way in which the voice-over is delivered, 680 00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:24,272 the sort of laconic quality to it. 681 00:36:24,348 --> 00:36:27,317 The sort of Raymond Chandler feel of things, I think, 682 00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:30,377 is one of the key defining elements of the genre. 683 00:36:31,088 --> 00:36:33,488 That old black pit opened up again. 684 00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:35,219 Right on schedule. 685 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,460 I didn't expect to hit bottom. 686 00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:39,223 That's all I know. 687 00:36:39,664 --> 00:36:42,531 On account I don't see so well with my eyeballs scorched. 688 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,899 Then there's another more subtle thing about the editing in these films 689 00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:48,404 that I don't think gets discussed enough. 690 00:36:48,472 --> 00:36:51,669 Which is that the films are really very seductive as well, 691 00:36:51,742 --> 00:36:56,736 and they kind of draw you in through this flashback structure, very often, 692 00:36:57,081 --> 00:36:59,948 where it's a more spellbinding way 693 00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:02,315 of cutting a film and it almost gets dreamy. 694 00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:05,878 ...but I remember looking up and seeing this girl, Jenny. 695 00:37:05,957 --> 00:37:10,291 Noir didn't invent flashbacks, but noir perfected flashbacks, 696 00:37:10,361 --> 00:37:14,127 as complex and intricate as they could possibly be. 697 00:37:14,398 --> 00:37:17,458 In Out of the Past it's used when 698 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:21,561 Robert Mitchum is trying to explain his past life to his girlfriend. 699 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:25,933 It was the bottom of the barrel and I scraped it, but I didn't care. 700 00:37:27,144 --> 00:37:28,270 I had her. 701 00:37:28,346 --> 00:37:31,975 You'll actually see the character speaking. His voice continues 702 00:37:32,316 --> 00:37:36,446 and we go back in time and essentially illustrate what he's saying. 703 00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:38,546 That technique is used a lot. 704 00:37:38,623 --> 00:37:40,955 $400,000. 705 00:37:42,326 --> 00:37:43,520 Only 706 00:37:44,528 --> 00:37:46,621 before he could take it 707 00:37:47,598 --> 00:37:49,532 he had to kill the driver. 708 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,827 Frankie was in jail now. 709 00:37:58,175 --> 00:38:01,702 I think that music in noir plays a much more important role 710 00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,539 than in other genres. 711 00:38:04,615 --> 00:38:07,243 In noir, the music has to be another character. 712 00:38:07,318 --> 00:38:10,014 It's sort of this unseen presence that, I think, 713 00:38:10,087 --> 00:38:13,147 can create a mood or remind the audience 714 00:38:13,224 --> 00:38:15,215 that we may be seeing something onscreen, 715 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,488 but there's something else going on. 716 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,735 Film noir has a very special relationship with music. 717 00:38:25,803 --> 00:38:29,364 There are as many different ways of scoring a film noir 718 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,998 almost as there are film noir movies. 719 00:38:31,075 --> 00:38:33,407 There's a lot of interesting layers in film noir scoring, 720 00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:36,105 which is the rain, the darkness, the loneliness, 721 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,944 the fear of something unspecified. 722 00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:45,680 There's always a ticking clock aspect to these films. 723 00:38:45,756 --> 00:38:49,988 And there's sort of a 24-hour period or a week at the most, probably, 724 00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:51,892 and then, you know, these events have to happen. 725 00:38:51,962 --> 00:38:56,365 So the music has to highlight the ticking clock aspect of it. 726 00:38:56,434 --> 00:38:59,403 That's what's interesting, is that you're always trying to throw 727 00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:02,667 an audience's expectations in different directions, 728 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:06,506 to play those ambiguities. You're never quite sure what anybody's motivation is. 729 00:39:06,577 --> 00:39:09,045 You're never quite sure where the evidence is leading. 730 00:39:09,113 --> 00:39:10,978 I want to go back to Mexico. 731 00:39:11,048 --> 00:39:14,279 I want to walk out of the sun again and find you waiting. 732 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:18,254 I want to sit in the same moonlight and tell you all the things I never told you 733 00:39:18,322 --> 00:39:20,222 until you don't hate me. 734 00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:24,422 If it's a love story, the love theme also has to have 735 00:39:24,595 --> 00:39:27,257 a sadness and an unresolved quality to it. 736 00:39:27,331 --> 00:39:29,629 The heroine or the hero might die. 737 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:33,659 So we're never quite sure, you know, what is going to be the end result. 738 00:39:38,008 --> 00:39:40,135 We have to be very careful that 739 00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:43,180 you know, there's nothing sentimental about a film noir score. 740 00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:46,876 I think film noir, in the way it was stylized, 741 00:39:48,152 --> 00:39:50,814 only could help accentuate the sexuality in film. 742 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:52,617 The music could be very seductive, 743 00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:56,786 and seductive, at this time, in more of a manipulative way 744 00:39:56,861 --> 00:40:00,422 as opposed to just pretty woman walking through the scene. 745 00:40:00,498 --> 00:40:03,058 There's something dark going on, but seductive. 746 00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:06,262 And I think that's the delicious part of film noir 747 00:40:06,337 --> 00:40:09,898 is that they could go a little further with something like music. 748 00:40:10,574 --> 00:40:13,042 There are some fabulous composers. 749 00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:16,374 But as much as noir endeavored to create 750 00:40:16,447 --> 00:40:19,848 this whole new style of storytelling and this new look, 751 00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:23,247 a lot of times, the scores were kind of stuck 752 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,051 in a very traditional, string-heavy arrangement. 753 00:40:27,124 --> 00:40:31,788 Which is really bizarre, because most people, when they think of film noir, 754 00:40:31,862 --> 00:40:35,025 they will say, "Oh, yeah, all those jazz soundtracks 755 00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:38,466 "and the saxophone and all that. " But it's really not there. 756 00:40:38,536 --> 00:40:40,163 I mean, it's really strings. 757 00:40:40,237 --> 00:40:42,933 But it's really fascinating in the public consciousness 758 00:40:43,007 --> 00:40:45,475 that they imagine that they hear brass. 759 00:40:45,543 --> 00:40:47,943 They hear trumpets and saxophones 760 00:40:48,012 --> 00:40:50,981 when it's a very, very rare film that actually has them. 761 00:40:51,048 --> 00:40:53,243 Like, On Dangerous Ground, Bernard Herrmann 762 00:40:53,317 --> 00:40:56,844 did a whole percussive score for that, that's all brass. 763 00:40:56,987 --> 00:41:00,787 And it's fantastic. It's one of the best scores ever for a noir film. 764 00:41:07,198 --> 00:41:10,361 If you just listen to a Miklós Rózsa score 765 00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:13,130 you have an immediate sense 766 00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:16,640 of the sexuality, the sensuality of the film noir 767 00:41:16,707 --> 00:41:19,335 translated into music. It's very, very exciting. 768 00:41:23,514 --> 00:41:25,948 In Decoy, made in 1946, 769 00:41:26,016 --> 00:41:28,712 the music is a very attractive element. 770 00:41:28,786 --> 00:41:32,278 In fact, it is to me one of the key elements in the film. 771 00:41:32,356 --> 00:41:35,814 It immediately tells the audience what's going on. 772 00:41:35,893 --> 00:41:37,690 Very clever. 773 00:41:39,096 --> 00:41:40,825 I'm alive. 774 00:41:46,604 --> 00:41:49,300 Border Incident was, I think, the third movie I ever did. 775 00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:52,774 It was a nice, tough film that Anthony Mann directed 776 00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:54,902 and John Alton photographed and it was... 777 00:41:54,979 --> 00:41:57,243 It really was a pretty relentless film. 778 00:41:57,314 --> 00:41:59,578 And so I was allowed to write a, 779 00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:03,450 by the standards of those years, a fairly modern-sounding score, 780 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,011 which I liked doing, 781 00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:08,923 and it was the first time that I had written anything 782 00:42:08,993 --> 00:42:12,156 that I could more or less approve of when I heard it. 783 00:42:14,331 --> 00:42:16,925 One of the things I really like about film noir scoring 784 00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:20,459 is the amount of silence that one is allowed to leave in the score. 785 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:24,167 I personally think there's way too much music in modern film. 786 00:42:24,241 --> 00:42:25,833 We try very much with our craft 787 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:28,071 to make those what we call "'negative space moments "' 788 00:42:28,145 --> 00:42:31,672 where suddenly everything drops out and there's a big question asked. 789 00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:33,307 Why? Why is it silent? 790 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,716 I think it can make it even more powerful 791 00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:38,619 and more scary and much more suspenseful. 792 00:42:40,357 --> 00:42:44,418 I think from my own experience, having edited a film like Body Heat, 793 00:42:44,495 --> 00:42:48,397 I was an admirer of film noir, but really didn't understand 794 00:42:48,465 --> 00:42:51,025 how to use the language until I started working in it. 795 00:42:51,101 --> 00:42:54,036 And I think one of the things that we can exploit tremendously 796 00:42:54,104 --> 00:42:57,540 in modern-day film, is the range of sound that we have 797 00:42:57,608 --> 00:43:00,406 to create a third dimension on the film. 798 00:43:00,477 --> 00:43:02,468 They were used very sparingly in film noir, 799 00:43:02,546 --> 00:43:04,741 and primarily because they didn't have budgets for sound. 800 00:43:04,815 --> 00:43:08,182 So the placement of sound within the dialogue 801 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:11,915 became a way of evoking the solitude of a character, 802 00:43:11,989 --> 00:43:14,219 or his physical state of mind. 803 00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:16,452 For instance, in Out of the Past, 804 00:43:16,527 --> 00:43:18,722 in the first scenes of this little town, 805 00:43:18,796 --> 00:43:21,594 you have a lot of sounds, the distant rails... 806 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,236 Once in a while, a siren going by of a police car. 807 00:43:26,303 --> 00:43:30,433 A lot of indicators of the life that he left behind in the city. 808 00:43:30,641 --> 00:43:34,771 The idea of the urban environment being somewhat evil 809 00:43:35,312 --> 00:43:38,042 and the salutary effects of the rural quiet life. 810 00:43:41,518 --> 00:43:44,316 And a lot of these meshings of ideas 811 00:43:44,388 --> 00:43:47,016 were actually done in shorthand by use of sound. 812 00:43:47,091 --> 00:43:49,423 And you'll see this in film noir all the time. 813 00:43:49,493 --> 00:43:52,929 The sound effects, that filigree of soundtrack in noir, 814 00:43:52,997 --> 00:43:55,966 the brakes of cars, phones going. 815 00:43:56,033 --> 00:43:59,366 It was a revolution in American filmmaking, this style. 816 00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:02,030 Both in what it said and how it said it. 817 00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:08,377 This is noir. 818 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:11,012 Men acting bad, women acting bad, 819 00:44:11,081 --> 00:44:13,413 people breaking out of the Hollywood stereotype 820 00:44:13,484 --> 00:44:16,282 and I do think the fun of noir is 821 00:44:16,353 --> 00:44:18,913 the bad guy you root for. 822 00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:20,013 Chiquita? 823 00:44:20,524 --> 00:44:23,015 - What are you doing here? - Get out. 824 00:44:23,093 --> 00:44:25,584 You army men might be accustomed to group showers. 825 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,153 I like mine alone. 826 00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:30,257 What you really need to make something film noir 827 00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:32,461 is the character in the first place, 828 00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:35,732 and the film noir character is a gray character. 829 00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:38,036 That's what's so much fun about film noir, 830 00:44:38,108 --> 00:44:41,908 is that you have flawed characters and sometimes deeply flawed characters, 831 00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:45,642 but as long as they have a code and as long as they're true to themselves, 832 00:44:45,716 --> 00:44:47,843 they can really get away with a lot of behavior 833 00:44:47,918 --> 00:44:51,410 that in a normal film would immediately peg them as a villain. 834 00:44:51,555 --> 00:44:53,352 You make me do it. 835 00:44:53,757 --> 00:44:55,486 Why do you make me do it? 836 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,157 You know you're gonna talk. 837 00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:00,388 I'm gonna make you talk. 838 00:45:00,464 --> 00:45:02,489 Chandler defined it best. 839 00:45:02,566 --> 00:45:06,434 He described the film noir hero as "'a knight in dirty armor. "' 840 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,732 In my own career I've tried to redefine him 841 00:45:08,806 --> 00:45:11,673 as a knight in blood-caked armor. 842 00:45:11,942 --> 00:45:13,603 But he is still a knight, 843 00:45:13,677 --> 00:45:17,909 he just doesn't look like one and he's never rewarded for what he does. 844 00:45:17,981 --> 00:45:22,645 He's this lonely character who's out there and he's just bugged by stuff. 845 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,554 Most Raymond Chandler-derived stories aren't film noir 846 00:45:26,623 --> 00:45:30,320 because Philip Marlowe is untouched by the mystery. 847 00:45:30,461 --> 00:45:32,258 You will help me, won't you? 848 00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:35,821 Is this for love, or are you paying me something in money? 849 00:45:36,366 --> 00:45:39,460 When the femme fatale, the slut, moves in on him, 850 00:45:39,536 --> 00:45:40,628 he turns her down. 851 00:45:40,704 --> 00:45:43,832 Yeah, he won't be a part of the emotional tangle. 852 00:45:43,907 --> 00:45:47,308 It's almost like his case is a film noir, but he isn't. 853 00:45:47,377 --> 00:45:50,175 I don't think you even know which side you're on. 854 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:54,009 I don't know which side anybody's on. I don't even know who's playing today. 855 00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:58,453 Whereas a true film noir protagonist is drawn into all that. 856 00:45:58,522 --> 00:46:01,514 Look at Out of the Past, which is also a private eye story, 857 00:46:01,592 --> 00:46:04,857 but Robert Mitchum's character in that isn't Philip Marlowe. 858 00:46:04,928 --> 00:46:08,091 He doesn't stay out. Yeah, he succumbs to the temptation 859 00:46:08,165 --> 00:46:10,258 and gets involved with Jane Greer... 860 00:46:10,701 --> 00:46:13,295 - Did you miss me? - No more than I would my eyes. 861 00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:15,664 Where shall we go tonight? 862 00:46:15,806 --> 00:46:17,637 Let's go to my place. 863 00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:22,168 ...and therefore is dragged into committing morally appalling acts. 864 00:46:22,346 --> 00:46:24,314 Philip Marlowe doesn't, he's always irreproachable. 865 00:46:24,381 --> 00:46:28,215 The detective figure. The Hercule Poirot, Sherlock Holmes, or whatever. 866 00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:31,550 They come into a situation, see what's wrong, 867 00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:34,022 expose the villain, and sort it out and leave. 868 00:46:34,091 --> 00:46:38,221 The film noir protagonist sort of never really understands. 869 00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:40,957 Yeah, there's a mystery taking place around them, 870 00:46:41,031 --> 00:46:43,329 but they are the victim of it, the subject of it. 871 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,231 They don't usually solve it. 872 00:46:45,435 --> 00:46:47,630 Buddy, you look like you're in trouble. 873 00:46:47,704 --> 00:46:50,264 - Why? - Because you don't act like it. 874 00:46:51,241 --> 00:46:53,072 I think I'm in a frame. 875 00:46:53,877 --> 00:46:55,401 Don't sound like you. 876 00:46:55,846 --> 00:46:58,007 I don't know, all I can see is the frame. 877 00:46:58,081 --> 00:47:01,073 If you've seen enough noir, you start to identify 878 00:47:01,151 --> 00:47:03,483 all the traditional characters that are represented. 879 00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:07,149 There's always the hard-luck loser, there's the schemer, 880 00:47:07,224 --> 00:47:10,591 there is the femme fatale, there is the upstanding good girl. 881 00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:13,789 There is the sleazy nightclub owner 882 00:47:13,864 --> 00:47:16,094 who's always the slickest guy in the story, 883 00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:19,658 and may or may not be shady, you're not always sure. 884 00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:23,404 There's the big capitalist banker, businessman type. 885 00:47:23,473 --> 00:47:25,338 I call them the "'noir apostles. "' 886 00:47:25,409 --> 00:47:28,970 Just politics, baby. Good old dirty politics. 887 00:47:29,046 --> 00:47:31,105 The kind of dialogue that popped through film noir, 888 00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:33,945 it had nuance and it had cleverness and a lot of humor. 889 00:47:34,017 --> 00:47:36,349 If you look at how Chandler was adapted. 890 00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:39,514 The joint looked like trouble, but that didn't bother me. 891 00:47:39,590 --> 00:47:40,579 Nothing bothered me. 892 00:47:40,657 --> 00:47:43,683 The two.20s fell nice and snug against my appendix. 893 00:47:43,894 --> 00:47:46,192 Dick Powell, for instance, in Murder, My Sweet, 894 00:47:46,263 --> 00:47:49,061 was a very nuanced, hilarious fellow, like, you know, 895 00:47:49,132 --> 00:47:51,965 "Come on, you're a big, tough guy. Do something amazing. 896 00:47:52,035 --> 00:47:53,127 "Pull on your pants. " 897 00:47:53,203 --> 00:47:57,162 "Okay, Marlowe," I said to myself, "You're a tough guy. 898 00:47:57,241 --> 00:48:01,302 "You've been sapped twice, choked, beaten silly with a gun, 899 00:48:01,378 --> 00:48:05,041 "shot in the arm until you were as crazy as a couple of waltzing mice. 900 00:48:05,582 --> 00:48:08,346 "Now let's see you do something really tough, 901 00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:10,477 "like putting your pants on. " 902 00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:12,249 It was released as Farewell, My Lovely 903 00:48:12,322 --> 00:48:14,586 in one theater, I think, in Boston. I'm not sure. 904 00:48:14,658 --> 00:48:18,617 And because it had Dick Powell in it, who was known as a singing star 905 00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:21,357 and they thought Farewell, My Lovely with Dick Powell was a musical. 906 00:48:21,431 --> 00:48:24,298 Musicals were out at that time. Nobody wanted to see it. 907 00:48:24,368 --> 00:48:26,336 So we changed the title to Murder, My Sweet 908 00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:28,166 and they knew that that couldn't be a musical. 909 00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:31,537 - You still think Amthor killed him, then? - Who else? 910 00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:34,734 You. 911 00:48:35,412 --> 00:48:39,781 And I tend to think that the acting is a perfect corollary 912 00:48:39,850 --> 00:48:42,045 for the writing style. 913 00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:46,180 I mean, the writers weren't really writing very realistic dialogue. 914 00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:49,282 It's not stuff that you're gonna hear people utter on the street. 915 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:52,157 You should've told me, Wood. Maybe I would've played it differently. 916 00:48:52,229 --> 00:48:54,925 Maybe she wouldn't have heard my shoes squeaking. 917 00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:57,193 Always a hop, skip and a jump ahead of me. 918 00:48:57,267 --> 00:49:01,829 And the way the dialogue is delivered is perfectly appropriate to that. 919 00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:04,203 You know, like Robert Mitchum is just like... 920 00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:05,832 He's such a natural. 921 00:49:05,909 --> 00:49:09,367 And he can take the most flamboyant line of dialogue 922 00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:12,347 and just toss it off like nobody's business. 923 00:49:12,416 --> 00:49:13,781 I'll give you a ring in about an hour. 924 00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:16,478 That'll give you time to find her and get there. 925 00:49:16,553 --> 00:49:19,920 Give you a little extra time to figure out how you're gonna cross me, 926 00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:21,480 but you won't. 927 00:49:21,692 --> 00:49:24,320 My very first film was called The Last Tycoon. 928 00:49:24,394 --> 00:49:26,123 I got to play Robert Mitchum's daughter. 929 00:49:26,196 --> 00:49:30,929 And I was in the film with Robert De Niro and Jack Nicholson 930 00:49:31,001 --> 00:49:33,868 and there was all these wonderful, famous people in it. 931 00:49:33,937 --> 00:49:36,098 But who was I wanting to be? 932 00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:38,334 I said, "Dang, I wish I was older. " 933 00:49:38,408 --> 00:49:41,900 I wanted to be a notch on Robert Mitchum's belt, you know, so... 934 00:49:42,479 --> 00:49:44,538 I mean, that guy was cool. 935 00:49:44,614 --> 00:49:48,744 He was just one of the coolest actors I'd ever seen. 936 00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:56,626 I absolutely love the acting in these films 937 00:49:56,693 --> 00:50:00,185 because many times there's not a lot of dialogue in these films. 938 00:50:00,530 --> 00:50:03,658 There are more sort of brooding characters 939 00:50:03,734 --> 00:50:05,429 that are very angst-ridden. 940 00:50:05,502 --> 00:50:08,767 More is said by an actor glancing 941 00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:12,104 or lighting a cigarette or walking down a street 942 00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:14,837 and contemplating the predicament they're in. 943 00:50:14,911 --> 00:50:17,038 You just sit and stay inside yourself. 944 00:50:17,114 --> 00:50:18,741 You wait for me to talk. 945 00:50:18,815 --> 00:50:20,373 I like that. 946 00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:23,510 I never found out much listening to myself. 947 00:50:23,587 --> 00:50:26,420 Acting in a film noir, something that I notice, perhaps, 948 00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:30,017 is that it's slightly over the top in modern standards, 949 00:50:30,093 --> 00:50:33,153 but is perfectly suitable for that particular style. 950 00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:37,428 You actually need it to be over the top. It's a little pushed at you. 951 00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:40,169 You're not talking about a sack of gum drops that's gonna be smashed. 952 00:50:40,237 --> 00:50:41,670 You're talking about a dame's life. 953 00:50:41,738 --> 00:50:43,706 Well, I think, first of all, I think it was invented 954 00:50:43,774 --> 00:50:47,175 by people like Robert Mitchum and Kirk Douglas. 955 00:50:47,477 --> 00:50:50,173 I don't think there was such a thing as film noir 956 00:50:50,247 --> 00:50:53,410 until those guys actually showed up onscreen 957 00:50:53,483 --> 00:50:56,748 and had the personas that they had and the movies that they made. 958 00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:00,312 - Well, the last guy in the world. - I hate surprises, myself. 959 00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:02,051 You want to just shut the door and forget it? 960 00:51:02,125 --> 00:51:03,387 No, no. Come on in. 961 00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:05,587 When I'd see him onscreen 962 00:51:05,796 --> 00:51:08,390 I kind of could see that they weren't acting so much 963 00:51:08,465 --> 00:51:09,727 as they were being themselves, 964 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,702 they were presenting the character through their own personality. 965 00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:16,136 They were them in the situation. 966 00:51:16,606 --> 00:51:19,234 And that's what clicked in my head, 967 00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:20,936 and I realized how simple it really was 968 00:51:21,011 --> 00:51:23,377 and so I tried to approach it from that way. 969 00:51:23,447 --> 00:51:25,506 I was just getting ready to take my tie off, 970 00:51:25,582 --> 00:51:28,676 wondering whether I should hang myself with it. 971 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,820 We'd not only be rolling in dough 972 00:51:31,888 --> 00:51:35,221 but marrying into this crowd will fix it so as I can... 973 00:51:35,325 --> 00:51:37,259 So as I can spit in anybody's eye. 974 00:51:37,327 --> 00:51:40,524 In Born to Kill, Lawrence Tierney had a look about him that was really tough 975 00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:42,690 and there was some kind of power that he exuded. 976 00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:44,393 It was clearly a negative power, 977 00:51:44,468 --> 00:51:46,936 but there was something that came across on the screen 978 00:51:47,003 --> 00:51:49,938 that clearly was seductive to women. 979 00:51:50,006 --> 00:51:52,406 And in the way that it was written, you could understand 980 00:51:52,476 --> 00:51:54,876 that someone would fall for this bad guy, for this outlaw, 981 00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:56,310 for this somebody who kind of knows what he wants 982 00:51:56,379 --> 00:51:57,710 and will do anything to get it. 983 00:51:57,781 --> 00:52:01,046 You're strength, excitement 984 00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:02,642 and depravity. 985 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,880 There's a kind of corruptness inside of you, Sam. 986 00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:07,321 That'd drive most women off if they understood like you do. 987 00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:10,257 - Yes. - But not you. You have guts. 988 00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:11,726 Elisha Cook Jr. 989 00:52:13,096 --> 00:52:14,529 He was a very good... 990 00:52:14,598 --> 00:52:16,930 You know, he was a terrific film noir actor. 991 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,524 Honest, Sam. 992 00:52:18,835 --> 00:52:23,272 You go nuts about nothing. Nothing at all. You gotta watch that. 993 00:52:23,607 --> 00:52:26,132 You can't just go around killing people whenever the notion strikes you. 994 00:52:26,209 --> 00:52:27,642 - It's not feasible. - Why isn't it? 995 00:52:27,711 --> 00:52:29,872 All right, Sam. All right, it is. 996 00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:32,673 - He was cutting in on me. - With her? 997 00:52:32,749 --> 00:52:34,546 That was a big worry, I'll bet. 998 00:52:34,618 --> 00:52:37,485 He was like the kind of guy people would pick on. 999 00:52:45,962 --> 00:52:48,760 Come on, this will put you in solid with your boss. 1000 00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:55,135 How's about one for me? 1001 00:52:57,107 --> 00:53:00,941 There's a very imaginative and clever use of sexuality in the films. 1002 00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:03,536 Nothing ever gets too explicit or too outrageous, 1003 00:53:03,613 --> 00:53:07,310 but the morality of the films is extraordinarily questionable 1004 00:53:07,384 --> 00:53:08,681 and daring. 1005 00:53:08,752 --> 00:53:10,913 I won't let Bernie break your neck. 1006 00:53:11,321 --> 00:53:12,948 And if I don't? 1007 00:53:13,123 --> 00:53:14,920 You'll make me talk. 1008 00:53:15,392 --> 00:53:18,850 You'll squeeze it out of me with those big strong arms. 1009 00:53:23,366 --> 00:53:24,731 Won't you? 1010 00:53:31,608 --> 00:53:33,166 That's right, sister. 1011 00:53:33,243 --> 00:53:35,643 A lot of times, there were downtrodden detectives 1012 00:53:35,712 --> 00:53:38,875 trying to make good on the trail of some poor guy 1013 00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:41,850 who got sucked in to the femme fatale's web. 1014 00:53:41,918 --> 00:53:44,978 The web of this gorgeous woman who is, in fact, a criminal. 1015 00:53:45,055 --> 00:53:47,319 Seems to me that since I've known you, you've become lovelier. 1016 00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:49,119 More mentally assured. 1017 00:53:49,326 --> 00:53:51,521 But it also seems to me that when I first knew you 1018 00:53:51,595 --> 00:53:52,926 you had a heart. 1019 00:53:52,996 --> 00:53:56,488 The femme fatale was really born as a result of women 1020 00:53:56,566 --> 00:53:59,535 taking over so many of the roles of men during World War ll. 1021 00:53:59,603 --> 00:54:01,195 And when the men came back, 1022 00:54:01,271 --> 00:54:04,035 among all the other dislocations that they experienced, 1023 00:54:04,107 --> 00:54:06,337 one was, all of a sudden women with this whole new role. 1024 00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:08,775 Women working, women being outside the house. 1025 00:54:08,845 --> 00:54:12,508 In a lot of ways, film noir was sort of male filmmakers'revenge 1026 00:54:12,582 --> 00:54:14,015 on women for having done that. 1027 00:54:14,084 --> 00:54:16,348 At the same time, it really represents a lot of 1028 00:54:16,419 --> 00:54:19,411 mankind's conflicted role with womankind 1029 00:54:19,489 --> 00:54:21,116 which is why the femme fatale 1030 00:54:21,191 --> 00:54:24,251 has her web on the one hand, but is always sort of beautiful 1031 00:54:24,327 --> 00:54:27,091 and mysterious and sexy and attractive, on the other hand. 1032 00:54:27,163 --> 00:54:30,223 "If I should die before I live. " 1033 00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:31,961 That's a nice title. 1034 00:54:32,035 --> 00:54:33,263 "By Philip Marlowe. " 1035 00:54:33,336 --> 00:54:36,464 As a result of the war, women were given, I think, some broader characters to play. 1036 00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:38,507 They didn't have to be quite as cardboard. 1037 00:54:38,575 --> 00:54:42,636 And the opportunities for women have improved for the characters, 1038 00:54:42,712 --> 00:54:47,012 that you can have women who are as tough and as difficult 1039 00:54:47,083 --> 00:54:50,575 and as ruinous as some men have been portrayed. 1040 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,120 And you're not through. You're in the middle. 1041 00:54:53,189 --> 00:54:55,180 Deep. Over your head. 1042 00:54:55,358 --> 00:54:59,124 No matter what you do now, you're still part of everything that's happened. 1043 00:54:59,195 --> 00:55:02,358 But it's misleading to think that noir 1044 00:55:02,432 --> 00:55:05,833 has this misogynistic view of women. 1045 00:55:05,902 --> 00:55:08,370 If you look very closely at these films 1046 00:55:08,438 --> 00:55:12,807 they're just chock full of upstanding, forthright women 1047 00:55:12,876 --> 00:55:15,037 who are gonna rescue the poor chump 1048 00:55:15,111 --> 00:55:18,205 who doesn't know, you know, the hell he's getting into. 1049 00:55:18,281 --> 00:55:22,342 And I just think that that's as revolutionary a thing for these films 1050 00:55:22,419 --> 00:55:24,819 as their depiction of the evil woman. 1051 00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:27,550 But maybe it'll teach you not to overplay a good hand. 1052 00:55:27,624 --> 00:55:30,650 Now, she doesn't like you. She hates men. 1053 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,787 I hate their women, too. Especially the big-league blondes. 1054 00:55:34,864 --> 00:55:38,197 Beautiful expensive babes who know what they've got. 1055 00:55:38,668 --> 00:55:41,398 And inside, blue steel. Cold! 1056 00:55:41,805 --> 00:55:44,672 Cold like that, only not that clingy. 1057 00:55:45,241 --> 00:55:47,937 But a femme fatale is somebody who comes into the office one day 1058 00:55:48,011 --> 00:55:49,273 with a problem 1059 00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:52,338 that must somehow be solved by the hero, 1060 00:55:52,415 --> 00:55:55,441 even though he's not dead sure what that problem is 1061 00:55:55,518 --> 00:55:57,918 and he's pretty sure he's being lied to. 1062 00:55:57,987 --> 00:56:00,956 But it's fun finding out what the problem is. 1063 00:56:01,024 --> 00:56:03,458 - What about this dame, Mr. Crystal Ball? - A dish. 1064 00:56:03,526 --> 00:56:05,016 What kind of a dish? 1065 00:56:05,095 --> 00:56:08,792 Sixty-cent special. Cheap, flashy, strictly poison under the gravy. 1066 00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:11,265 Amazing, and how do you know all this? 1067 00:56:11,334 --> 00:56:13,359 Well, she was married to a hoodlum, wasn't she? 1068 00:56:13,436 --> 00:56:16,166 What kind of a dame would marry a hood? 1069 00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:17,704 All kinds. 1070 00:56:17,774 --> 00:56:20,299 Marie Windsor, she was a perfect... 1071 00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:21,571 She was the heroine, 1072 00:56:21,644 --> 00:56:23,475 the villainess, or whatever it was, of a couple of them, 1073 00:56:23,546 --> 00:56:27,312 because there was a thing about her. It was a thing about some of those actors. 1074 00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:28,578 They were wonderful. 1075 00:56:28,651 --> 00:56:30,983 My taste doesn't usually run to cops, 1076 00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:34,023 but you might not be such dull company at that. 1077 00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:35,955 The femme fatale 1078 00:56:36,292 --> 00:56:40,092 is the one-in-a-million kind of woman 1079 00:56:40,397 --> 00:56:43,423 who has a magical power over men 1080 00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:45,934 and is utterly and completely evil. 1081 00:56:46,002 --> 00:56:48,766 - You didn't have to kill him. - Yes, I did. 1082 00:56:49,005 --> 00:56:50,700 You wouldn't have killed him. 1083 00:56:50,774 --> 00:56:53,538 He'd have been against us. Gone to Whit. 1084 00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:58,104 The part was beautifully written. It's this terrific role. 1085 00:56:58,581 --> 00:57:00,879 Jacques Tourneur, the director, 1086 00:57:01,117 --> 00:57:03,142 said to me when I first met him, 1087 00:57:03,219 --> 00:57:06,382 "'Do you know the word impassive?" Impassive. 1088 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:09,684 That's what I want. Impassive. 1089 00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:11,090 No big eyes. 1090 00:57:11,561 --> 00:57:13,995 "Well, it's gonna be hard. But, okay, I'll try. " 1091 00:57:14,164 --> 00:57:18,999 He said, "'First half, good girl. Last half, bad girl. "' 1092 00:57:20,236 --> 00:57:23,672 Simple. That's what he wanted. That's what I gave him. 1093 00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:25,799 And it was so easy. 1094 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:28,407 You know, you're a curious man. 1095 00:57:28,478 --> 00:57:31,379 You're gonna make every guy you meet a little bit curious. 1096 00:57:31,448 --> 00:57:36,317 The femme fatale is where women get to be completely the equal of men. 1097 00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:40,856 They are equally tempted, equally compromised, and equally guilty. 1098 00:57:41,491 --> 00:57:45,257 And that's kind of a new thing for Hollywood at this point. 1099 00:57:45,328 --> 00:57:47,660 I mean, they were very independent women. 1100 00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:50,756 They knew what they wanted and they knew how to get it. 1101 00:57:50,834 --> 00:57:54,736 You know, the guy has to pick up a gun, but the woman doesn't need a gun. 1102 00:57:54,804 --> 00:57:57,864 She knows exactly what weapons she has to wield. 1103 00:57:58,875 --> 00:58:01,070 You ought to have killed me for what I did a moment ago. 1104 00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:03,612 - There's time. - No. You won't. 1105 00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:08,080 So, all these actresses were, of course, dying to play the femme fatale 1106 00:58:08,151 --> 00:58:11,211 in these movies because they were the most memorable characters. 1107 00:58:11,287 --> 00:58:13,983 Many of the leading actresses of the era 1108 00:58:14,057 --> 00:58:16,457 in terms of popularity and compensation 1109 00:58:16,726 --> 00:58:20,218 were not the ones you would associate with beauty contests. 1110 00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:24,030 They were paid to portray a certain type of woman. 1111 00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:25,897 They were paid to look good, but also I think 1112 00:58:25,969 --> 00:58:28,335 they had to perform in a way 1113 00:58:28,671 --> 00:58:32,163 that both male and female moviegoers could relate to. 1114 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:34,333 It goes from 1115 00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:37,709 actresses as well-known as Ava Gardner 1116 00:58:37,780 --> 00:58:40,772 and Rita Hayworth to 1117 00:58:40,917 --> 00:58:45,149 obscure, wonderful performances like Jean Gillie 1118 00:58:45,221 --> 00:58:49,123 in a B-film called Decoy, which is so over the top. 1119 00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:50,523 I mean, it's just astounding. 1120 00:58:50,593 --> 00:58:53,528 I'm really happy to see that film kind of being resurrected 1121 00:58:53,596 --> 00:58:55,291 'cause it's a jaw-dropper. 1122 00:58:58,701 --> 00:59:01,602 I don't think we have femme fatales in movies today. 1123 00:59:01,671 --> 00:59:04,936 I think it's one of the things that I think is a big loss. 1124 00:59:05,008 --> 00:59:08,500 Because a femme fatale is a woman who makes men go bad. 1125 00:59:09,245 --> 00:59:11,941 And that is very interesting. 1126 00:59:12,015 --> 00:59:14,210 It always fascinates an audience. 1127 00:59:14,284 --> 00:59:16,343 It's a unique kind of woman. 1128 00:59:16,419 --> 00:59:18,250 Shoot, do you hear me? 1129 00:59:18,321 --> 00:59:19,913 All right. 1130 00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:24,591 Claire Trevor is one of my favorite actresses in film noir. 1131 00:59:24,661 --> 00:59:26,492 She's in two of my favorite films. 1132 00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:28,929 She's in Key Largo and she's in Born to Kill. 1133 00:59:28,998 --> 00:59:31,466 I think you've got a secret of some kind, haven't you? 1134 00:59:31,534 --> 00:59:35,061 One of the films that people don't think about very often, that's really underrated 1135 00:59:35,138 --> 00:59:37,538 is Born to Kill, directed by Robert Wise. 1136 00:59:37,707 --> 00:59:41,268 And Claire Trevor is a terrific actress and she was terrific in this kind of film. 1137 00:59:41,344 --> 00:59:43,505 She really gives a very believable performance 1138 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,104 of someone who stands and says, 1139 00:59:45,181 --> 00:59:48,309 "'I can have everything that's easy. I can have everything that's comfortable. 1140 00:59:48,384 --> 00:59:51,353 "'And why is it there's something about this darkness, about this unknown 1141 00:59:51,421 --> 00:59:53,582 "'that's magnetic, that's pulling me back?"' 1142 00:59:53,656 --> 00:59:57,387 And in the end, believing that she could toy with this and land on her feet. 1143 00:59:57,460 --> 00:59:58,791 Says as her last words, 1144 00:59:58,861 --> 01:00:00,988 "'You know, this time, I'm not gonna land on my feet. "' 1145 01:00:01,064 --> 01:00:02,827 And all these lives are destroyed. 1146 01:00:02,899 --> 01:00:04,366 Come on out of there! 1147 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,994 It's me, Sam, remember? Tonight's our night. 1148 01:00:07,070 --> 01:00:10,130 We still have time for a few kisses before the police get me. 1149 01:00:10,206 --> 01:00:13,539 The ultimate triumph of the hero against the femme fatale 1150 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:17,046 is when she loses her control, when her lies no longer work. 1151 01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:18,842 Stop, you're killing him! 1152 01:00:18,948 --> 01:00:21,246 Jerry, stop it! 1153 01:00:21,584 --> 01:00:25,076 Barbara Stanwyck, because she was sort of slightly tomboyish 1154 01:00:25,154 --> 01:00:29,784 and not extremely beautiful. I mean, I wanted to be like Gilda 1155 01:00:29,859 --> 01:00:32,191 and Rita Hayworth, you know, but I... 1156 01:00:32,261 --> 01:00:34,889 That just seemed so unattainable, 1157 01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:36,625 but Barbara Stanwyck, she just was 1158 01:00:36,699 --> 01:00:39,998 just a tough cookie and I just always responded to her. 1159 01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:42,537 Confidence. I want a man to give me confidence. 1160 01:00:42,605 --> 01:00:44,300 Somebody to fight off the blizzards and the floods, 1161 01:00:44,374 --> 01:00:48,310 somebody to beat off the world when it tries to swallow you up. 1162 01:00:50,513 --> 01:00:52,242 Me and my ideas. 1163 01:00:56,919 --> 01:00:58,580 Are you? 1164 01:00:59,856 --> 01:01:02,256 - Am I what? - Glad you're home. 1165 01:01:04,394 --> 01:01:07,295 Home is where you come when you run out of places. 1166 01:01:07,363 --> 01:01:09,854 The star of film noir is fate. 1167 01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:12,392 Just doesn't get a screen credit. 1168 01:01:12,468 --> 01:01:14,561 Fate isn't just a character in noir. 1169 01:01:14,637 --> 01:01:16,366 It's the way the plot works. 1170 01:01:16,439 --> 01:01:18,805 There's always this idea that in a sense 1171 01:01:18,875 --> 01:01:21,844 the audience is somewhat aware of where things are heading 1172 01:01:21,911 --> 01:01:24,004 the way the characters aren't necessarily. 1173 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,072 But there's always a feeling, I think, with the best film noir 1174 01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:28,549 that things are going to end badly, 1175 01:01:28,618 --> 01:01:31,519 and I think that fate does hang heavy over the characters. 1176 01:01:31,587 --> 01:01:33,987 Psychological frailty is fate, 1177 01:01:34,057 --> 01:01:37,549 and film noir is nothing but psychological frailty. 1178 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:43,795 The difference between the '30s, early '40s gangster movie, 1179 01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:47,893 the Jimmy Cagney classic and the film noir, 1180 01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:48,959 is really generational. 1181 01:01:50,106 --> 01:01:53,371 If you think about the '30s movies of Edward G. Robinson 1182 01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:55,843 in Little Caesar, he had no decision, 1183 01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:59,678 it was not some great moral question that came to mind. 1184 01:01:59,749 --> 01:02:04,152 He was either gonna kill that guy and take over the racket, or get killed. 1185 01:02:04,721 --> 01:02:09,181 Film noir, I know people might not think this, but they're much subtler. 1186 01:02:09,792 --> 01:02:12,158 There are choices to make. 1187 01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:16,688 And the key is the choice you make takes you down that road. 1188 01:02:16,766 --> 01:02:20,167 But it was your decision to get in the car. 1189 01:02:20,236 --> 01:02:24,172 It's your decision whether or not to go with Barbara Stanwyck 1190 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,333 and get involved with killing her husband. 1191 01:02:26,409 --> 01:02:30,209 Your fate is not dictated to you as it is in the '30s 1192 01:02:30,279 --> 01:02:32,179 and early '40s gangster movie. 1193 01:02:33,015 --> 01:02:36,280 Your fate is in your hands by your decision, 1194 01:02:36,686 --> 01:02:38,881 and that's what makes it noir. 1195 01:02:38,988 --> 01:02:42,856 All these elements come together to create this vortex of doom 1196 01:02:42,925 --> 01:02:44,392 that we're drawn into. 1197 01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:47,691 Oh, Dr. Craig, you've come to see Miss Shelby off. 1198 01:02:49,365 --> 01:02:50,923 No. 1199 01:02:53,102 --> 01:02:55,161 I've come to take her with me. 1200 01:03:04,614 --> 01:03:07,515 The tombstone of film noir was 1201 01:03:07,583 --> 01:03:10,245 and intentionally so, was Touch Of Evil. 1202 01:03:10,386 --> 01:03:12,183 It was like the official end 1203 01:03:12,255 --> 01:03:17,124 where it'd taken all these film noir devices right to their extreme. 1204 01:03:17,393 --> 01:03:20,760 But the real end of it came with television 1205 01:03:20,830 --> 01:03:25,233 and the '50s family that television came to glorify. 1206 01:03:25,568 --> 01:03:28,366 And then at the end of the classic noir era, 1207 01:03:28,437 --> 01:03:31,964 law and order came back in in a very heavy-handed way, 1208 01:03:32,041 --> 01:03:34,805 not coincidently coincides with the witch-hunt. 1209 01:03:34,877 --> 01:03:36,868 The Communist witch-hunt in Hollywood. 1210 01:03:36,946 --> 01:03:40,575 And they said, "'Look, you can't depict these characters 1211 01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:44,916 "'having valid sociological reasons for what they do. 1212 01:03:45,154 --> 01:03:46,951 "They're just crazy. " 1213 01:03:47,123 --> 01:03:50,286 Then Warner Brothers put out White Heat with Jimmy Cagney 1214 01:03:50,393 --> 01:03:52,122 and it's just, the guy is a psycho. 1215 01:03:52,195 --> 01:03:54,993 - How you doing, partner? - It's stuffy in here. I need some air. 1216 01:03:55,097 --> 01:03:58,828 Oh, stuffy, huh? I'll give it a little air. 1217 01:04:02,772 --> 01:04:07,436 Any movement in art comes out of the times in which it's made. 1218 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:11,276 So it's interesting, I think, that as it faded off, 1219 01:04:11,347 --> 01:04:13,440 it was in the '70s that it came back. 1220 01:04:13,516 --> 01:04:17,145 Late '60s and '70s, which I think is sort of because of Vietnam, 1221 01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:21,247 has got the audience in a mindset where they were into the film noir again. 1222 01:04:21,324 --> 01:04:23,224 What's the matter, Corporal? 1223 01:04:23,292 --> 01:04:24,554 I'm all right. 1224 01:04:24,627 --> 01:04:29,257 Chinatown paid off the promise of all those detective novels, 1225 01:04:29,332 --> 01:04:32,324 all the detective movies based on those novels. 1226 01:04:32,401 --> 01:04:35,734 Film noir is still hard to do and it's particularly hard to do in color. 1227 01:04:35,805 --> 01:04:37,705 A great example of it is Memento, 1228 01:04:37,773 --> 01:04:40,708 which is Chris Nolan's film that plays backward. 1229 01:04:40,776 --> 01:04:44,940 All the films I've made have been strongly influenced by 1230 01:04:45,414 --> 01:04:47,848 watching these films and other thrillers. 1231 01:04:47,917 --> 01:04:52,217 And I've tried in my films to follow that same pattern. 1232 01:04:52,288 --> 01:04:56,315 I think the best noirs are films that don't try to be. 1233 01:04:56,492 --> 01:04:58,756 They sort of wake up and find themselves there. 1234 01:04:58,828 --> 01:05:02,355 And now there are many films that are paying homage 1235 01:05:02,431 --> 01:05:05,525 to these incredibly wonderful films. 1236 01:05:05,601 --> 01:05:08,069 Sin City would be one. Usual Suspects would be another. 1237 01:05:08,137 --> 01:05:09,434 There are many. 1238 01:05:09,772 --> 01:05:12,070 Doesn't look so good for Mr. Lacy. 1239 01:05:12,141 --> 01:05:14,166 When film noir shows up 1240 01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:16,571 in the popular sense, 1241 01:05:16,646 --> 01:05:20,309 always is associated with a society 1242 01:05:20,383 --> 01:05:24,012 that's a little more cynical and a little bit more 1243 01:05:24,086 --> 01:05:25,576 paranoid and suspicious. 1244 01:05:25,655 --> 01:05:28,920 If it's making a rebound now, it might again be 1245 01:05:28,991 --> 01:05:33,052 because that factor makes people more open to cynicism 1246 01:05:33,129 --> 01:05:37,225 and makes the people making the movies more interested in exploring 1247 01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:38,927 that part of themselves. 1248 01:05:39,001 --> 01:05:40,468 - Don't just... - Don't what? 1249 01:05:40,536 --> 01:05:42,504 - I don't wanna die. - Neither do I, baby. 1250 01:05:42,571 --> 01:05:44,368 But if I have to, I'm gonna die last. 1251 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,273 Young filmmakers, when they're first starting out. 1252 01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:50,979 Before they become encumbered 1253 01:05:51,047 --> 01:05:54,016 by the things that they think give them freedom. 1254 01:05:54,083 --> 01:05:57,575 Before they have big budgets and before they have long schedules, 1255 01:05:57,653 --> 01:06:01,919 what they are left with is the tools to make a film noir. 1256 01:06:01,991 --> 01:06:05,893 And from that they have the influence of filmmakers 1257 01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:10,262 like Fritz Lang, John Houston, Michael Curtiz, Orson Wells 1258 01:06:10,333 --> 01:06:13,131 who all made these great films. 1259 01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:18,296 Come on, Boss, let's finish it the way we started it. 1260 01:06:18,374 --> 01:06:19,739 On the level. 1261 01:07:32,348 --> 01:07:33,337 English 107275

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