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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:35,001 --> 00:00:36,059 NEWSREADER: The woman who inspired 2 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:37,996 the songwriter and poet Leonard Cohen 3 00:00:38,104 --> 00:00:41,039 to write some of his best known work has died. 4 00:00:41,341 --> 00:00:43,639 So Long, Marianne and Bird on the Wire 5 00:00:43,743 --> 00:00:44,767 were written decades ago 6 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:47,779 for Cohen's then lover and muse, Marianne Ihlen. 7 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:48,848 They split up, 8 00:00:48,948 --> 00:00:51,542 but when Marianne grew ill and near death with leukemia, 9 00:00:51,651 --> 00:00:54,518 her close friend Jan Christian Mollestad 10 00:00:54,621 --> 00:00:56,089 contacted Leonard Cohen. 11 00:00:56,856 --> 00:00:58,051 Less than two hours later, 12 00:00:58,358 --> 00:01:00,588 a message came back, which Jan read to her. 13 00:01:02,629 --> 00:01:04,597 MOLLESTAD: (ON RECORDING) "Dearest Marianne." 14 00:01:04,697 --> 00:01:06,893 "I'm just a little behind you. 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,662 "Close enough to take your hand. 16 00:01:10,503 --> 00:01:13,438 "I've never forgotten your love and your beauty, 17 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:14,666 "but you know that. 18 00:01:14,774 --> 00:01:16,606 "I don't have to say more. 19 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:20,338 "Well, safe travels, old friend. 20 00:01:21,581 --> 00:01:23,345 "See you down the road. 21 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:27,478 "Endless love and gratitude, your Leonard." 22 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:44,537 I wrote this for Marianne. 23 00:01:44,804 --> 00:01:47,034 I hope she's here. Maybe she's here. 24 00:01:49,909 --> 00:01:51,741 I hope she's here. 25 00:01:52,579 --> 00:01:53,876 Marianne. 26 00:01:56,015 --> 00:01:58,609 This song is called So Long, Marianne. 27 00:02:01,421 --> 00:02:04,391 And a girl called Marianne that I know very well, 28 00:02:04,491 --> 00:02:07,552 she came to me after I sang it for her first and she said... 29 00:02:07,994 --> 00:02:10,019 She's a Norwegian. She said, uh, 30 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:12,929 “I'm certainly glad that song wasn't written for me." 31 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:15,665 I said, "Oh, uh, yeah?" 32 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:18,969 And she said, "Yeah, ‘cause my name is Marianne." 33 00:03:05,018 --> 00:03:06,486 NICK BROOMFIELD: This is Marianne, 34 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:09,817 filmed on the island of Hydra in the early '60s. 35 00:03:10,657 --> 00:03:12,887 She said the song So Long, Marianne 36 00:03:12,992 --> 00:03:15,518 was originally called Come On, Marianne, 37 00:03:15,628 --> 00:03:17,494 and was not her favorite song. 38 00:03:18,598 --> 00:03:21,590 She said it was not originally intended as a goodbye, 39 00:03:22,135 --> 00:03:24,729 but came, in actuality, to foreshadow the end 40 00:03:24,837 --> 00:03:28,535 of Marianne and Leonard's relationship as lovers. 41 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:34,071 This is Little Axel, Marianne's seven-year-old son. 42 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:35,204 LITTLE AXEL: Film it. 43 00:03:35,515 --> 00:03:37,108 LEONARD: It looks like some kind of a lobster. 44 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:40,482 It has all kinds of openers in there. 45 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:42,552 BROOMFIELD: It was the '60s, 46 00:03:42,655 --> 00:03:44,714 and the time of free love and open marriage, 47 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:47,054 including Leonard and Marianne's. 48 00:03:47,794 --> 00:03:49,694 I was a rather lost 20-year-old, 49 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:51,730 visiting the island of Hydra 50 00:03:51,831 --> 00:03:53,765 when Marianne befriended me. 51 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:57,169 For a short while, I became one of her lovers. 52 00:03:58,271 --> 00:04:00,535 She encouraged me to follow my dreams 53 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,165 and she played me Leonard's songs 54 00:04:02,275 --> 00:04:04,676 under the Greek moon and stars. 55 00:04:04,777 --> 00:04:07,906 Her smile and enthusiasm were one of a kind. 56 00:04:08,014 --> 00:04:10,142 And I felt completely intoxicated 57 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,912 by the beauty of their relationship. 58 00:04:16,689 --> 00:04:17,986 LEONARD: I just left one day. 59 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:21,925 And, uh, I won a prize for a book that I wrote. 60 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:24,021 And they gave me some money, 61 00:04:24,130 --> 00:04:28,863 and I got on a plane and I came, 62 00:04:28,968 --> 00:04:32,165 eventually to Greece and got on a boat. 63 00:04:33,006 --> 00:04:34,599 And I just saw this island 64 00:04:34,707 --> 00:04:35,970 that was so beautiful, you know? 65 00:04:36,075 --> 00:04:37,042 I come from a country 66 00:04:37,143 --> 00:04:39,305 that's covered with snow half the year. 67 00:04:39,612 --> 00:04:41,307 And I saw this island, you know, 68 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:43,082 completely shining. 69 00:04:43,983 --> 00:04:46,179 I just got off, met a girl there, 70 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:47,879 and I stayed. 71 00:04:52,725 --> 00:04:54,022 There were jus t a few foreigners there 72 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:55,253 in those days. 73 00:04:56,029 --> 00:04:58,999 And the Johnstons were central figures. 74 00:04:59,098 --> 00:05:00,293 They were older, 75 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,725 they were doing what we all wanted to do, 76 00:05:02,835 --> 00:05:05,270 which was to write and to make a living out of writing. 77 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:07,337 And they were there 78 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,699 and they were very wonderful, 79 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:11,937 colorful, hospitable people, 80 00:05:12,045 --> 00:05:13,706 and they helped me settle in. 81 00:05:13,813 --> 00:05:15,577 They really helped me out. 82 00:05:16,349 --> 00:05:20,650 NANCY BACAL: That was first what made him an outcast 83 00:05:20,753 --> 00:05:22,084 in Montreal. 84 00:05:22,188 --> 00:05:24,782 It was the journey into the dark, 85 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,226 because nobody wanted to go there. 86 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:30,160 And I remember my mother 87 00:05:30,263 --> 00:05:33,255 writing me some horrible things about him. 88 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:36,933 He knew the dark. He knew the struggle 89 00:05:37,036 --> 00:05:38,868 from moment to moment. 90 00:05:40,073 --> 00:05:43,168 You were supposed to find a mate 91 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:47,873 and get married and live in Westmount. 92 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:50,278 They all stayed in Westmount. 93 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:53,118 So, we left. 94 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:56,619 We had our own way of being. 95 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:59,124 We found our own lives, 96 00:05:59,225 --> 00:06:03,059 but they turned out to be synchronistic. 97 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:37,886 Can I have a sip? 98 00:06:39,165 --> 00:06:40,997 LITTLE AXEL: You'll have to even all of them. 99 00:07:32,819 --> 00:07:34,787 LEONARD: The days were very, very ordinary. 100 00:07:34,887 --> 00:07:37,413 We'd get up early and have breakfast 101 00:07:37,523 --> 00:07:39,184 and I'd go to work. 102 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:43,126 And the sandwich would be brought to me. 103 00:07:43,229 --> 00:07:46,199 I think I was on speed, too, so I wasn't eating very much. 104 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:49,928 And the day would proceed like that. 105 00:07:50,036 --> 00:07:52,835 I'had a quota, I think it was three pages a day. 106 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:12,982 MOLLESTAD: She was beautiful. 107 00:09:13,085 --> 00:09:15,486 But she didn't really enjoy being beautiful 108 00:09:15,588 --> 00:09:20,389 before she met Leonard and he made her love living. 109 00:09:21,861 --> 00:09:26,492 She felt that not only did Leonard see her 110 00:09:26,599 --> 00:09:29,159 but he really loved her. 111 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:33,369 And he really made her feel beautiful. 112 00:09:38,044 --> 00:09:41,344 I think if you should really understand Marianne, 113 00:09:41,447 --> 00:09:46,180 you have to understand her first husband Axel. 114 00:09:47,353 --> 00:09:49,014 Axel could get so angry. 115 00:09:49,121 --> 00:09:51,522 So he would throw out 116 00:09:51,624 --> 00:09:55,458 the furniture from the window and outin the street. 117 00:09:56,262 --> 00:09:58,560 I don't think he ever hit her. 118 00:09:59,298 --> 00:10:00,959 But he was violent. 119 00:10:02,468 --> 00:10:06,302 Leonard was the one who came into Marianne's life, 120 00:10:06,405 --> 00:10:07,895 who had watched 121 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:12,307 the relationship breaking down. 122 00:10:13,512 --> 00:10:15,446 Leonard saved her life 123 00:10:15,548 --> 00:10:18,074 and he went into a kind of role 124 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:20,653 as a kind of helping hand. 125 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:23,149 He helped with Little Axel 126 00:10:23,255 --> 00:10:27,351 and he helped her with talking and practical things. 127 00:10:29,095 --> 00:10:32,395 He was the father in areal sense. 128 00:10:33,566 --> 00:10:37,127 And Little Axel still is talking about 129 00:10:37,236 --> 00:10:40,001 Leonard as a very good force. 130 00:10:42,708 --> 00:10:45,075 JEFFREY BROWN: He's a very smart kid. 131 00:10:45,177 --> 00:10:47,305 He was very quiet, 132 00:10:47,413 --> 00:10:49,381 maybe a bit shy, even. 133 00:10:50,449 --> 00:10:51,575 Axel and I would just... 134 00:10:51,684 --> 00:10:55,416 We would roam the hills. We would find fossils and... 135 00:10:57,390 --> 00:10:58,357 HELLE GOLDMAN: I lived there 136 00:10:58,457 --> 00:11:01,358 from the time that I was three months old. 137 00:11:02,028 --> 00:11:04,258 And we used to run around barefoot, 138 00:11:04,363 --> 00:11:06,092 through the slightly powdery feeling 139 00:11:06,198 --> 00:11:09,259 of the dried seawater on the stones. 140 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:13,397 Every part of it is beautiful in every season. 141 00:11:14,306 --> 00:11:16,172 Any time of the day or night. 142 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:20,169 The freshly baked bread and things like that. 143 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:23,510 I mean, I've never experienced those things anywhere else. 144 00:11:23,616 --> 00:11:25,175 Even the air has a kind of... 145 00:11:25,284 --> 00:11:27,616 You can sort of feel the air, especially in the evening. 146 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,381 It feels like, sort of silky... 147 00:11:29,488 --> 00:11:31,980 You're wrapped in something silky and velvety. 148 00:11:35,161 --> 00:11:37,653 There was so much freedom there 149 00:11:37,763 --> 00:11:40,391 that people just went too far with it. 150 00:11:40,499 --> 00:11:43,525 So there was always that danger hanging over people. 151 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:48,200 BROOMFIELD: I was mesmerized by the island's beauty, 152 00:11:48,307 --> 00:11:50,605 and had never before met so many golden, 153 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,077 sun-kissed people of either sex 154 00:11:53,179 --> 00:11:55,341 having so much fun together. 155 00:11:55,581 --> 00:11:58,016 It felt like a nything was possible. 156 00:11:59,351 --> 00:12:02,116 Marianne gave me my first acid trip, 157 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:04,280 which she said had come from a friend of Leonard's 158 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:06,449 in London called Malcolm, 159 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,551 and she took these picture s of me the morning after. 160 00:12:11,097 --> 00:12:13,225 I had no intention of leaving, 161 00:12:13,332 --> 00:12:15,528 but then one of Marianne's other lovers 162 00:12:15,634 --> 00:12:17,693 unexpectedly showed up on the island, 163 00:12:17,803 --> 00:12:20,238 and I found myself hastily boarding 164 00:12:20,339 --> 00:12:22,398 the next boat back to Athens. 165 00:12:23,442 --> 00:12:25,570 My enthusiasm for Hydra, however, 166 00:12:25,678 --> 00:12:27,339 remained undiminished. 167 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,209 I suggested to Rick, my best friend from school, 168 00:12:31,317 --> 00:12:32,580 that he go there as a break 169 00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:35,120 from a hectic career as a journalist. 170 00:12:35,521 --> 00:12:37,615 Rick intended to go for two weeks, 171 00:12:37,723 --> 00:12:40,385 but ended up staying for 14 years. 172 00:12:41,293 --> 00:12:43,261 I came to Hydra, which he recommended, 173 00:12:43,362 --> 00:12:47,265 and suddenly this enormous sense of relief, 174 00:12:47,366 --> 00:12:50,529 because it was a combination, I think, of beauty, 175 00:12:50,636 --> 00:12:53,503 the beauty of the place, the simplicity of the place, 176 00:12:53,606 --> 00:12:56,507 and the genuineness of the environment there. 177 00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:59,203 It was just a small group of artists 178 00:12:59,311 --> 00:13:02,406 who were either refugees of some kind or another, 179 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:04,347 and you could live so cheaply then. 180 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:07,342 Leonard didn't have much money back then. 181 00:13:07,853 --> 00:13:09,412 And there was this sort of unwritten rule, 182 00:13:09,522 --> 00:13:11,820 certainly back when I was first on Hydra, 183 00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:14,218 that if you saw someone like Leonard at a table, 184 00:13:14,326 --> 00:13:16,795 then you didn't assume you could go and sit with him. 185 00:13:17,096 --> 00:13:20,293 They were there to be alone and to remain alone, 186 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,231 and they were doing their writing. 187 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,302 LEONARD: A large part of my life was escaping, 188 00:14:04,777 --> 00:14:05,801 whatever it was. 189 00:14:05,911 --> 00:14:07,640 Even if the situation looked good 190 00:14:07,746 --> 00:14:09,236 I had to escape, 191 00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:11,180 because it didn't look good to me. 192 00:14:11,717 --> 00:14:14,414 So it was a selfish life and, uh... 193 00:14:15,254 --> 00:14:17,382 But it didn't seem so at the time. 194 00:14:17,489 --> 00:14:19,856 It just seemed a matter of survival. 195 00:14:20,459 --> 00:14:22,655 And I guess the kids suffered 196 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,490 and people close to me suffered 197 00:14:25,598 --> 00:14:27,362 because I was always leaving. 198 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:29,757 I was always trying to get away. 199 00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:35,836 I was very much encouraged by a friend of mine, 200 00:14:35,941 --> 00:14:39,775 by the name of Irving Layton, influenced by his manner. 201 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:42,340 After he'd ask me what I'm doing, 202 00:14:42,448 --> 00:14:43,745 he'd always say, 203 00:14:43,849 --> 00:14:46,216 "Leonard, are you sure you're doing the wrong thing?" 204 00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:50,553 And that really struck home. That really sounded right. 205 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:52,551 And Cohen's concern 206 00:14:52,658 --> 00:14:54,854 is my renunciation of the Canadian public. 207 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:55,927 HOST: Is this true, 208 00:14:56,228 --> 00:14:57,320 or have you some other concern, Mr. Cohen, 209 00:14:57,429 --> 00:14:59,158 that you'd like to get off your chest right now? 210 00:14:59,865 --> 00:15:01,526 LEONARD: When I get up in the morning, 211 00:15:02,368 --> 00:15:03,733 my real concern 212 00:15:03,836 --> 00:15:06,771 is to discover whether or not I'm in a state of grace. 213 00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:08,206 BROOMFIELD: What do you think 214 00:15:08,307 --> 00:15:10,275 Leonard loved so much about Irving? 215 00:15:10,943 --> 00:15:12,809 AVIVA LAYTON: He loved his intellect, 216 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,745 he loved his imagination, and he felt that 217 00:15:15,881 --> 00:15:19,476 Irving was the real thing, in terms of poetry. 218 00:15:19,952 --> 00:15:23,411 And the very first time I saw Leonard, Irving said, 219 00:15:23,522 --> 00:15:25,581 “I'm gonna ask this man to come around... 220 00:15:25,691 --> 00:15:27,386 "this boy-man to..." He was... 221 00:15:27,493 --> 00:15:29,393 I think he was 19, 20. 222 00:15:29,495 --> 00:15:30,621 And I said, "Who is he?" 223 00:15:30,729 --> 00:15:32,754 And he said, "He's the real thing." 224 00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:37,462 They each thought of each other as the real thing. 225 00:15:37,569 --> 00:15:39,594 They also had a very strong Jewish connection. 226 00:15:39,705 --> 00:15:42,265 That was a very strong thing in Irving's life. 227 00:15:42,374 --> 00:15:44,706 A very strong thing in Leonard's life. 228 00:15:45,311 --> 00:15:46,938 Leonard was an aristocratic Jew. 229 00:15:47,246 --> 00:15:50,409 Leonard came from a wealthy family, 230 00:15:50,516 --> 00:15:54,384 very well-rooted in Canadian culture. 231 00:15:54,486 --> 00:15:56,682 He came from an educated family... 232 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:58,450 Highly educated family. 233 00:15:59,024 --> 00:16:00,958 I never knew Leonard's father, of course, 234 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:02,785 who died when Leonard was young. 235 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:04,954 But his mother, Masha, 236 00:16:05,264 --> 00:16:08,962 was as mad as a hatter. 237 00:16:10,336 --> 00:16:11,861 Really mad. 238 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,302 She had a thing about Irving. 239 00:16:13,405 --> 00:16:15,237 I wouldn't be at all surprised, 240 00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,968 Leonard and I would laugh about it, 241 00:16:17,276 --> 00:16:20,439 whether Irving and Masha ever actually went to bed together. 242 00:16:20,546 --> 00:16:21,513 He went to bed with... 243 00:16:21,613 --> 00:16:22,774 Irving went to bed with everybody, 244 00:16:22,881 --> 00:16:24,940 why not Leonard's mother? I mean... 245 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:26,677 And she was ma... 246 00:16:26,785 --> 00:16:29,811 She was very attracted to Irving. 247 00:16:29,922 --> 00:16:32,721 And Irving might have... She was very beautiful, 248 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:34,884 but mad. 249 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:36,018 I think 250 00:16:37,029 --> 00:16:39,964 really great writers have to have mad, 251 00:16:40,065 --> 00:16:42,033 oedipally mad mothers. 252 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:45,835 And if that's the case, then that's what he had. 253 00:16:50,576 --> 00:16:52,635 LEONARD: I mean, I know that 254 00:16:52,745 --> 00:16:55,908 a lot of my love of music comes from my mother, 255 00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:58,574 who had a lovely voice. 256 00:16:59,051 --> 00:17:02,715 She was Russian and she sang songs around the house. 257 00:17:02,821 --> 00:17:06,280 And I know that those changes, those melodies 258 00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:07,518 touched me very much. 259 00:17:07,626 --> 00:17:09,526 And that's certainly an influence. 260 00:17:09,628 --> 00:17:10,925 She would sing with us. 261 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,795 I'd take my guitar to a restaurant with my friends. 262 00:17:13,899 --> 00:17:17,836 And my mother would come and we'd often sing all night. 263 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:34,376 WOMAN: Yeah, very good coffee... 264 00:17:42,094 --> 00:17:44,062 MAN: The plague of all things. 265 00:17:46,098 --> 00:17:47,759 LEONARD: Are you having fun? 266 00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:48,992 Okay. 267 00:17:49,668 --> 00:17:51,432 We're winning. We're winning. 268 00:17:51,537 --> 00:17:52,868 We're winning the internal battle. 269 00:17:52,971 --> 00:17:54,735 We're keeping the party going. 270 00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:59,344 We're keeping the party going. 271 00:18:03,649 --> 00:18:05,117 BACAL: He loved women, 272 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:07,010 no question about it. 273 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,513 But he needed to be his own person in his own way. 274 00:18:12,691 --> 00:18:15,490 So he could love women from a distance, 275 00:18:16,995 --> 00:18:20,056 and love them when they came through and make them... 276 00:18:20,165 --> 00:18:24,124 He could make women feel good about themselves. 277 00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:26,495 And that's how he loved them. 278 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:29,665 That's how he loved them. 279 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:33,040 But he couldn't give himself to them, 280 00:18:33,145 --> 00:18:36,581 because he couldn't give himself away. 281 00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:43,785 MARIANNE: I was not satisfied with my life at all. 282 00:18:43,889 --> 00:18:46,051 I didn't know what to do. 283 00:18:46,158 --> 00:18:51,756 I was the only one who didn't paint, write, sculpt. 284 00:18:51,864 --> 00:18:54,458 So everybody was artists. 285 00:18:54,933 --> 00:18:58,665 Lots of people came off the boat to Hydra. 286 00:19:00,205 --> 00:19:02,469 Jacqueline Kennedy was there. 287 00:19:03,175 --> 00:19:05,439 Princess Margaret was there. 288 00:19:06,578 --> 00:19:08,603 So what could I say? 289 00:19:08,714 --> 00:19:11,183 So finally, I would say, 290 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:14,047 "I am an artist. 291 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:17,418 "Life is an art. I'm living." 292 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:19,580 Not very original. 293 00:19:20,692 --> 00:19:22,558 I was looking at myself and saying, 294 00:19:22,661 --> 00:19:25,528 "Oh, everything is wrong with me," you know? So... 295 00:19:26,865 --> 00:19:28,162 It's a pity. 296 00:19:31,069 --> 00:19:33,561 BROOMFIELD: Marianne had been the one to support Leonard 297 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:36,437 through the nightmare of writing his last novel, 298 00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:38,772 Beautiful Losers, on Hydra. 299 00:19:40,579 --> 00:19:41,876 LEONARD: I wrote a lot of books there 300 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:43,607 and a lot of songs. 301 00:19:43,715 --> 00:19:45,706 I published the novel Beautiful Losers, 302 00:19:45,817 --> 00:19:47,717 but I really couldn't pay the rent. 303 00:19:49,721 --> 00:19:51,780 LAYTON: Oh, yeah, he went quite crazy. 304 00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:53,483 I mean, you'd have to be crazy 305 00:19:53,592 --> 00:19:55,458 to write Beautiful Losers, it's like... 306 00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:58,121 It's like a hallucinogenic madness. 307 00:19:59,731 --> 00:20:03,668 He used to stay out there under that hot Greek sun. 308 00:20:03,769 --> 00:20:05,863 And Marianne would make him 309 00:20:05,971 --> 00:20:08,906 little baskets of food and water 310 00:20:09,007 --> 00:20:11,135 and drop them over to him. 311 00:20:11,243 --> 00:20:14,235 I mean, he wrote that book in a fever. 312 00:20:14,846 --> 00:20:17,178 So he would never have been able to do that 313 00:20:17,282 --> 00:20:20,252 anywhere else except on that island. 314 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,150 VICK: Leonard had always used acid. 315 00:20:24,256 --> 00:20:26,520 It just gave you that extra whoosh. 316 00:20:27,125 --> 00:20:30,584 It was never just like taking it to get out of oneself. 317 00:20:31,129 --> 00:20:34,258 It was very much to do with part of the spiritual search. 318 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:37,693 And it allowed him to go into his madness, I think, 319 00:20:37,803 --> 00:20:39,862 which he probably couldn't have done anywhere else. 320 00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:41,900 It allowed him to sit in his terrace, 321 00:20:42,007 --> 00:20:43,600 in the sun, take acid, 322 00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:45,635 and speed. 323 00:20:46,211 --> 00:20:48,077 Marianne, I mean, she used to say, 324 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:50,274 I mean, you know, she was there to sort of... 325 00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:52,641 Not pick up the pieces, but to sort of, 326 00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:55,686 to hold the man that had driven himself 327 00:20:55,787 --> 00:20:57,755 to the Beautiful Losers, 328 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,024 and writing those extraordinary pages 329 00:21:00,125 --> 00:21:01,524 day after day, 330 00:21:01,627 --> 00:21:04,187 in the sun, lunatic that he was. 331 00:21:05,797 --> 00:21:07,959 LEONARD: To find something that really 332 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:10,091 addresses my attention, 333 00:21:10,202 --> 00:21:13,069 I have to do a lot of endless versions. 334 00:21:13,171 --> 00:21:16,004 Anything I can bring to it, I try everything. 335 00:21:17,075 --> 00:21:19,772 Try to ignore it. Try to address it. 336 00:21:20,245 --> 00:21:22,077 Try to get high. 337 00:21:23,015 --> 00:21:26,645 Try to get intoxicated. Try to get sober. 338 00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:30,620 You know? All the versions of myself that I can summon 339 00:21:30,722 --> 00:21:34,716 are summoned to participate in this workforce. 340 00:21:35,694 --> 00:21:38,595 So, I try everything. I'll do anything. 341 00:21:58,350 --> 00:21:59,977 But listen to what some of the critics 342 00:22:00,085 --> 00:22:01,348 said about his latest book. 343 00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:02,987 NEWSREADER: "I have just read 344 00:22:03,088 --> 00:22:05,147 "Leonard Cohen's new novel Beautiful Losers 345 00:22:05,257 --> 00:22:07,624 "and I've had to wash my mind." 346 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:10,355 "This is, among other things, 347 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:14,189 "the most revolting book ever written in Canada." 348 00:22:15,701 --> 00:22:17,897 "Verbal masturbation.” 349 00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:23,940 LEONARD: After I finished Beautiful Losers, 350 00:22:24,042 --> 00:22:26,739 I thought that I would go into music. 351 00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,837 I wasn't really making a living as a writer. 352 00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:31,973 It was very hard to support 353 00:22:32,084 --> 00:22:36,783 and feed the hungry mouths that I was obliged to do. 354 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,721 So I came back to America 355 00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:41,350 and I didn't know what had been happening in New York 356 00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:44,686 and in folk music. 357 00:22:45,163 --> 00:22:46,688 I was completely unaware 358 00:22:46,798 --> 00:22:50,359 of people like Phil Ochs, or Dylan, or Joan Baez. 359 00:22:52,137 --> 00:22:54,071 JUDY COLLINS: Leonard found me. 360 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:56,698 And he came to my apartment. 361 00:22:56,808 --> 00:22:58,742 And he came in and we had some coffee. 362 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:01,905 And I said, "So?" And he said, "Well, 363 00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:03,344 "I can't sing. 364 00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:04,882 "And I can't play the guitar. 365 00:23:04,983 --> 00:23:06,951 "And I don't know if this is a song." 366 00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:09,114 And then he played me... 367 00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:17,763 So I said, "Leonard, that is a song. 368 00:23:18,196 --> 00:23:21,131 "That's a song and I have to record that immediately." 369 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:27,795 So he and I... Of course, I recorded it right away. 370 00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:29,438 We became friends. 371 00:23:30,342 --> 00:23:32,037 He was quite clear 372 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:35,444 that he never, ever wanted to sing in public. 373 00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:38,239 So about a year went by 374 00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:40,751 and Suzanne was a big song by then. 375 00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:44,783 And I was doing a big fundraiser in New York 376 00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:47,120 and I said, "You have to come with me. 377 00:23:47,225 --> 00:23:48,886 "I wanna put you on stage 378 00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,122 "and I want you to sing Suzanne. 379 00:23:51,229 --> 00:23:53,721 "Everybody is dying to hear you sing this song." 380 00:23:53,832 --> 00:23:56,392 He said, "I can't sing. I have a horrible voice." 381 00:23:56,501 --> 00:23:58,265 I said, "You don't have a horrible voice." 382 00:23:58,870 --> 00:24:02,431 So he came out and he stood in the middle there 383 00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:04,072 and he began singing the song. 384 00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:06,201 And I knew that he was shaking like a leaf, 385 00:24:06,311 --> 00:24:09,838 because I had seen him, seen his hands on the guitar. 386 00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:14,786 In the middle of Suzanne, he broke down and began to sob 387 00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:16,918 and walked off the stage. 388 00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:20,823 He was dying of fear. 389 00:24:20,926 --> 00:24:23,293 He was having what we know as a great, 390 00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:27,426 massive attack of stage fright. 391 00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:31,197 So he came off the stage and I said, 392 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:33,328 "Leonard, this just will not do. 393 00:24:33,438 --> 00:24:36,100 "You have to go back. I'll go back with you. 394 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,035 "And we can do the song together." He said... 395 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,111 Finally he said okay. 396 00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:41,737 So meantime, the whole audience 397 00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:44,009 is continuing to clap and scream 398 00:24:44,115 --> 00:24:46,243 and carry on, because they'd gotten a taste. 399 00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:49,416 They could hear him sing. They knew. 400 00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,890 So we went out together. He finished the song. 401 00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:56,393 And by the time we finished, he was a convert. 402 00:24:57,162 --> 00:25:01,326 Total convert to his own magical impression. 403 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,500 I would like to introduce to you, Mr. Leonard Cohen. 404 00:25:38,336 --> 00:25:40,361 COLLINS: It was one of the most important moments 405 00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:43,407 of his life and mine. 406 00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:46,344 And of course, then he was off to the races. 407 00:25:46,444 --> 00:25:50,210 Columbia signed him up and it was his label forever. 408 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:40,224 LEONARD: I remember her arriving at the airport. 409 00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:44,027 She had two heavy valises in each hand. 410 00:26:44,502 --> 00:26:45,992 She couldn't wave to me 411 00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:49,904 because she couldn't lift the suitcases up, 412 00:26:50,008 --> 00:26:52,136 and she didn't wanna drop them, she was moving. 413 00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:54,871 So she waved to me with her foot. 414 00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:58,075 I remember that very, very clearly. 415 00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:01,648 LAYTON: Yeah, boy. That was a mistake. 416 00:27:02,253 --> 00:27:04,278 You know and said famously... 417 00:27:04,389 --> 00:27:05,879 You know, the famous thing... 418 00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:08,483 "I want my woman." I mean, that was Leonard, yeah? 419 00:27:08,593 --> 00:27:12,359 “I want my woman and my child to come to Montreal." 420 00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:15,125 And that was this wonderful thing. 421 00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:17,930 And of course, the minute he said it, he didn't... 422 00:27:18,036 --> 00:27:20,505 He wouldn't have... He didn't need it anymore. 423 00:27:20,605 --> 00:27:22,937 He needed to say it, but... 424 00:27:23,041 --> 00:27:27,000 And Marianne, who was deeply in love with him, 425 00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:29,547 did come and brought Little Axel. 426 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,083 We always used to call him Little Axel. 427 00:27:32,183 --> 00:27:34,550 And it was a disaster. 428 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,987 It was very unhappy. Very unhappy time. 429 00:27:38,089 --> 00:27:40,319 Axel would come and stay with us. 430 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,226 He used to take a pencil 431 00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,592 and pencil his name 432 00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:49,565 over every wall in our apartment. 433 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,194 He'd write, "Axel, Axel, Axel " 434 00:27:52,303 --> 00:27:54,704 That was a very unhappy time. 435 00:27:56,241 --> 00:28:00,337 Poets do not make great husbands, do they? 436 00:28:00,445 --> 00:28:01,674 Do you know the poet 437 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:05,610 who's ever made an absolutely splendid husband? 438 00:28:06,584 --> 00:28:10,418 Or a filmmaker? Or an artist? 439 00:28:11,222 --> 00:28:13,190 No, you can't own them. 440 00:28:13,658 --> 00:28:16,150 You can't even own a bit of them. 441 00:28:17,062 --> 00:28:20,555 They're just elusive creatures 442 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:24,336 who are married to their... 443 00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:26,232 To their muse. 444 00:28:26,337 --> 00:28:29,967 That sounds so pretentious to say that, but it's true. 445 00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:35,146 But the irony is a man like that 446 00:28:36,114 --> 00:28:37,513 is a man who other... 447 00:28:37,615 --> 00:28:40,380 That every woman wants to have 448 00:28:41,352 --> 00:28:43,013 and can't have. 449 00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:49,323 COLLINS: Marianne came up to me and she said, 450 00:28:49,427 --> 00:28:52,692 "We were very happy living in Hydra. 451 00:28:52,797 --> 00:28:55,459 "And we were walking on the beach, 452 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,365 "and we were swimming in the nude 453 00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,267 "and drinking a lot of red sena, 454 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:01,236 "and we were very happy. 455 00:29:01,339 --> 00:29:03,535 "And then one day he came to me and he said, 456 00:29:03,641 --> 00:29:06,508 “Marianne, I'm going to New York 457 00:29:06,611 --> 00:29:09,546 "to play my songs for Judy Collins.' 458 00:29:09,647 --> 00:29:11,741 "And you recorded all of his songs. 459 00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:16,510 "And I just wanted to tell you t hat you ruined my life." 460 00:29:17,388 --> 00:29:20,585 Certainly, their dream life in Hydra 461 00:29:20,692 --> 00:29:23,718 had a big interruption, which was that 462 00:29:23,828 --> 00:29:26,593 Leonard discovered himself as a singer. 463 00:29:33,371 --> 00:29:35,271 BROOMFIELD: I took this picture of Marianne 464 00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:37,808 in the autumn of 1968, 465 00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:41,135 when she came to the UK and contacted me. 466 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,671 She had come to bring Little Axel to boarding school 467 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,114 and needed a lift. 468 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,347 We drove down to Suffolk to Summerhill, 469 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:52,787 the A.S. Neill School, 470 00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:55,583 where children didn't have to attend class 471 00:29:55,693 --> 00:29:57,183 if they didn't want to. 472 00:30:00,598 --> 00:30:02,123 Axel was eight 473 00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:05,203 and I remember how upset he was when we drove away. 474 00:30:07,872 --> 00:30:11,172 Axel would write to Marianne nearly every day. 475 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:23,454 Marianne was in tears, too, 476 00:30:23,755 --> 00:30:25,746 but believed it was the best thing for him, 477 00:30:25,857 --> 00:30:27,825 because she was always traveling. 478 00:30:29,794 --> 00:30:31,728 Marianne came and stayed for a while 479 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,822 in my less than chic squat in Kentish Town 480 00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:36,658 where she took this photo. 481 00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:41,501 She introduced me to the world of protest movements 482 00:30:41,606 --> 00:30:45,167 and artists using their art to achieve incredible things. 483 00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:48,407 She was close to Julie Felix, the singer, 484 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,811 an old friend of hers and Leonard's, 485 00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:53,282 and working with Julie as her muse, 486 00:30:53,384 --> 00:30:55,580 encouraging her to write her own songs 487 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,519 for the very first ime. 488 00:30:58,823 --> 00:31:01,588 Julie had originally met Leonard on Hydra 489 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,593 before either of them were singers. 490 00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:07,728 Well, I'm very happy and proud to have him here on the show 491 00:31:07,832 --> 00:31:10,164 and introduce him to the English public. 492 00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:13,169 Here is the writer, the poet, the songwriter... 493 00:31:13,271 --> 00:31:15,899 He's a friend, but he says he's a stranger in this song. 494 00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:18,335 Ladies and gentlemen, Leonard Cohen. 495 00:31:46,671 --> 00:31:48,469 FELIX: Leonard was always searching. 496 00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:51,940 And this feeling of never belonging anywhere... 497 00:31:52,277 --> 00:31:54,609 And even in a relationship, you know, 498 00:31:54,712 --> 00:31:55,702 eventually with Marianne... 499 00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:57,303 I think that was the longest really. 500 00:31:57,415 --> 00:32:01,181 But after that, he went from relationship to relationship. 501 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,488 And at the end of the song, 502 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,353 there was a tear in his eye. 503 00:32:07,458 --> 00:32:09,426 He was an emotional man. 504 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:15,366 Yeah, well, at that time, 505 00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:17,434 they were already having a few problems. 506 00:32:17,902 --> 00:32:19,392 Marianne and I hung out together 507 00:32:19,504 --> 00:32:22,599 for quite a while and we became very close. 508 00:32:23,541 --> 00:32:25,839 And we went on a couple of trips together, 509 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:29,710 and she was the muse and said, you know, why don't you write? 510 00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:32,476 And the first song I wrote was Windy Morning, 511 00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:37,248 which was a song that she kind of guided me through. 512 00:32:37,355 --> 00:32:39,585 BROOMFIELD: She was a great muse, wasn't she? 513 00:32:39,691 --> 00:32:43,218 Absolutely. Absolutely. And, uh... 514 00:32:43,328 --> 00:32:45,990 I think Leonard honored that, you know? 515 00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,322 He said that she was, you know? 516 00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:52,631 When, um... When he was speaking of her. 517 00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:55,603 BROOMFIELD: But she was so encouraging. 518 00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,608 Yeah, and she was so nurturing, you know, 519 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,542 it's, uh... 520 00:33:01,779 --> 00:33:05,238 Yeah. It's, you know... 521 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,307 Woman power. 522 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,352 The ability to nurture and love and... 523 00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:14,856 Encourage, you know? 524 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,886 It's something the world needs. 525 00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:18,019 That's why I think it's good 526 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:20,661 that we're getting to women's time finally, 527 00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:23,025 with all the Time's Up. 528 00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:25,769 And Leonard was a great, uh... 529 00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:29,430 Was a feminist, you know? 530 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:30,905 He really... 531 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:32,738 He said to me once... 532 00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:34,369 Because I was talking about something, 533 00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,811 he said, "I can't wait until women take over." 534 00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:39,815 So that was kind of nice to hear from him. 535 00:33:52,096 --> 00:33:55,828 JOHN SIMON: Leonard's imagery came from the poets, 536 00:33:55,933 --> 00:33:59,597 from Shakespeare, from Keats, from Marlowe. 537 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:03,898 So I found certain lines in his guitar playing 538 00:34:04,008 --> 00:34:05,840 that I could enrich. 539 00:34:06,577 --> 00:34:09,569 And I decided not to do it with instruments, 540 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,877 but to do i t with female voices, 541 00:34:12,984 --> 00:34:14,748 since so much of his writing 542 00:34:14,852 --> 00:34:18,345 was about his relationships with women. 543 00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:22,483 There was a very female presence in all of his songs, 544 00:34:22,593 --> 00:34:23,958 even though he was a man. 545 00:34:25,096 --> 00:34:27,690 So my girlfriend at the time had a very nice, 546 00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:29,563 pure, soprano voice. 547 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:33,934 And so I started, you know, fooling around asking her, 548 00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:36,871 "Sing this over Leonard's song. 549 00:34:36,974 --> 00:34:38,533 "What do you think?" 550 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:40,536 And some of it sounded really great. 551 00:34:40,645 --> 00:34:42,807 BROOMFIELD: You can't sort of imitate it slightly? 552 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:45,042 I'm not a singer, 553 00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:46,878 and I'm not a girl either. She was singing... 554 00:34:49,153 --> 00:34:51,383 She added a little "...anne" at the top. 555 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,728 So she sort of aped what he was doing, 556 00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,768 but it gave it a little harder... 557 00:35:04,869 --> 00:35:06,359 Put a litle harder edge on it, you know? 558 00:36:15,206 --> 00:36:17,732 The very first time I met Leonard Cohen, 559 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:19,003 he opened the door and he's just 560 00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:22,944 absolutely naked as a jay bird, right? 561 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:26,575 So me, coming out of where I come out of, I go, 562 00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:29,654 "This is pretty damn weird," you know? 563 00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:31,847 Later, of course, 564 00:36:31,956 --> 00:36:33,924 throughout the time I spent with Leonard, 565 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:36,824 the years that we worked together, 566 00:36:37,662 --> 00:36:39,892 when I look back on all that, 567 00:36:39,997 --> 00:36:45,197 and if I'd have been evolved enough at that moment 568 00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:47,733 it wouldn't have been weird to me at all. 569 00:36:48,739 --> 00:36:50,070 All the time I knew Leonard, 570 00:36:50,174 --> 00:36:54,611 he was very, very conscious of his body. 571 00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:57,682 Leonard used to say that when we're on tour, 572 00:36:57,782 --> 00:37:00,012 we're at the hotel, 573 00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:01,949 "Take all your clothes off." 574 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,887 You're going to be passing by 575 00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:07,959 these things called mirrors, right? 576 00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:10,818 And when you pass by a mirror, 577 00:37:10,928 --> 00:37:13,192 you're gonna notice that little, 578 00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:15,629 "Hey, I need to be doing a few more sit-ups.” 579 00:37:18,102 --> 00:37:21,003 Leonard swam, like, all the time. 580 00:37:21,672 --> 00:37:23,538 Any hotel we were in, 581 00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:28,010 you would find, if they had a pool, he was in it. 582 00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:29,841 And he would get up early in the morning, 583 00:37:29,947 --> 00:37:32,075 so he didn't have to run into anybody. 584 00:37:32,183 --> 00:37:34,550 He'd be down there at 5:00 in the morning 585 00:37:34,652 --> 00:37:36,279 and he'd be doing laps. 586 00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:38,715 And if they would let him swim nude, 587 00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:40,120 he would swim nude. 588 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:42,222 I don't know why. 589 00:37:42,793 --> 00:37:44,090 That was just him. 590 00:37:45,796 --> 00:37:47,890 BROOMFIELD: Didn't you write a song with him? 591 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:48,966 CORNELIUS: I did. Yeah. 592 00:37:49,066 --> 00:37:50,227 I wrote the Chelsea Hotel with him. 593 00:37:51,836 --> 00:37:54,237 We boarded an airplane in LaGuardia 594 00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:56,067 and me and Leonard sat there 595 00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:58,665 and worked on this song. 596 00:38:00,077 --> 00:38:03,536 I'had no idea who he was talking to 597 00:38:03,648 --> 00:38:05,878 in his writing at the time. 598 00:38:05,983 --> 00:38:10,011 It came out later that it was to Janis Joplin. 599 00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,987 And, you know, it's like, 600 00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:15,582 "I remember you well at the Chelsea Hotel. 601 00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:18,587 "Talking so brave and so sweet, 602 00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:20,562 "giving me head on the unmade bed, 603 00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:22,690 "while the limousines wait in the street.” 604 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,097 That's all still there. 605 00:38:24,201 --> 00:38:26,226 Nobody knows that the second verse was, 606 00:38:26,337 --> 00:38:29,068 "I remember you well at the Chelsea Hotel 607 00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:32,074 "in the winter of 1967. 608 00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:33,871 "My friends of that year, 609 00:38:33,978 --> 00:38:35,571 "they were all turning queer, 610 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,650 "and me, I was just getting even." 611 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,667 MOLLESTAD: At that time, 612 00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:15,110 Leonard had some experiences with Janis Joplin, 613 00:40:15,212 --> 00:40:16,702 all these things. 614 00:40:17,481 --> 00:40:21,213 And Marianne was living separately 615 00:40:21,318 --> 00:40:23,844 in her apartment with Little Axel. 616 00:40:24,221 --> 00:40:26,019 That must been 617 00:40:27,491 --> 00:40:28,981 very strange. 618 00:40:30,227 --> 00:40:31,888 But she was still the muse. 619 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,694 And the interesting thing is that, 620 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:38,835 she has read for me the telegrams 621 00:40:40,471 --> 00:40:41,802 from Leonard. 622 00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:45,001 First telegrams to 623 00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:48,371 "Marianne Cohen," 624 00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:52,916 was just like they have been married. 625 00:40:53,484 --> 00:40:55,282 Telegrams going to Hydra 626 00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:57,980 and then to London and then to New York. 627 00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:01,089 First it's in the period 628 00:41:01,192 --> 00:41:03,456 when they are together as a couple. 629 00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:05,388 But the beautiful thing is, 630 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,159 when they're not a couple anymore, 631 00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:10,029 he still sends money, 632 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:15,838 he's still asking how Axel is doing, 633 00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:22,471 and so he continues to send his small 634 00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:27,246 love messages, 635 00:41:28,285 --> 00:41:29,946 even if they're not together. 636 00:41:32,923 --> 00:41:36,257 CORNELIUS: Leonard said he was suffering from depression 637 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,022 that he fought for so many years. 638 00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:44,294 So Leonard decided, he thought, well, it'd be 639 00:41:44,401 --> 00:41:48,895 a nice thing for us to do is that we blow in... 640 00:41:49,006 --> 00:41:52,408 Say we blew into London to play the Royal Albert Hall. 641 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,308 Well, we got three or four days here, 642 00:41:54,411 --> 00:41:56,505 why don't we, one evening, go out and play 643 00:41:56,814 --> 00:42:00,011 at a mental institution, right? 644 00:42:00,117 --> 00:42:02,347 Okay, so of course, that went over 645 00:42:02,453 --> 00:42:05,047 like a fart in a diver's helmet with me, 646 00:42:05,155 --> 00:42:07,249 because I wasn't about to go 647 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:09,452 out to any... 648 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,427 I was not going. No way. 649 00:42:13,597 --> 00:42:18,091 He said, you know, "Just go one time." 650 00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:22,161 He said, "If you go one time and don't wanna play any more, 651 00:42:22,273 --> 00:42:23,434 "any more of these, 652 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,976 "then you don't have to do it." Right? 653 00:42:26,076 --> 00:42:28,340 So I said, "Okay." So I went. 654 00:42:28,445 --> 00:42:30,243 Well, I'm gonna tell you this. 655 00:42:30,948 --> 00:42:33,280 By the time that night was over, 656 00:42:35,085 --> 00:42:37,884 you couldn't drive me away from that idea. 657 00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:41,117 And we ended up playing alot of 'em. 658 00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:44,991 You know, he had a grandfather or something like that, 659 00:42:45,095 --> 00:42:48,827 that I think died in one of those institutions. 660 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,258 LEONARD: There are a number of reasons 661 00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:53,894 why I played mental hospitals. 662 00:42:54,004 --> 00:42:55,199 You know, when you play for somebody 663 00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:58,901 who has really been defeated, 664 00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:02,103 and it was my feeling that the elements 665 00:43:02,212 --> 00:43:05,307 of this defeat corresponded with certain elements 666 00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:07,908 that produced my song, 667 00:43:08,018 --> 00:43:10,009 and that there would be an empathy. 668 00:43:11,188 --> 00:43:12,553 I mean, I feel that I also have 669 00:43:12,656 --> 00:43:14,590 an empathy with this experience. 670 00:44:30,434 --> 00:44:32,596 CORNELIUS: That was a moment in my life 671 00:44:32,703 --> 00:44:34,933 that I would never forget. 672 00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:41,311 And this guy, he stands up and starts screaming, 673 00:44:41,412 --> 00:44:44,575 you know, to, "Hey, shut it down. Stop. Shut it." 674 00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:49,483 Well, we, you know, being musicians and being... 675 00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,645 Have played a million shows, 676 00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:54,520 we steamed right on, right? We're not gonna let that... 677 00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:57,959 Well, no. This guy shut it down. 678 00:44:58,062 --> 00:44:59,621 He shut it down. 679 00:45:01,165 --> 00:45:03,532 And then, Leonard finally said, 680 00:45:03,634 --> 00:45:05,693 "Okay, you talk then," right? 681 00:45:06,003 --> 00:45:09,029 So this guy said, "Look," he said, 682 00:45:09,139 --> 00:45:10,573 "You come in here 683 00:45:12,042 --> 00:45:14,374 "and you got all these shiny guitars 684 00:45:14,478 --> 00:45:17,641 "and you got the pretty girls there 685 00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:19,716 "singing background and stuff. 686 00:45:20,017 --> 00:45:21,712 "And everything like..." He said, "I wanna know, 687 00:45:22,019 --> 00:45:23,987 "what do you think about me? 688 00:45:24,088 --> 00:45:26,182 "That's what I wanna know about. 689 00:45:26,757 --> 00:45:30,387 "I wanna know what you think about me." 690 00:45:33,197 --> 00:45:35,757 You could hear a pin drop in that place. 691 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,100 And Leonard just walked past me and Charlie, 692 00:45:40,204 --> 00:45:43,230 walked down the stairs, walked right out in the crowd 693 00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:46,241 and just hugged him like you wouldn't have believed. 694 00:45:46,343 --> 00:45:50,075 He almost broke his ribs, he hugged him that hard. 695 00:46:39,163 --> 00:46:40,289 LEONARD: I came to see you, because it's... 696 00:46:40,397 --> 00:46:41,694 -You don't sing anymore? -LEONARD: Pardon? 697 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,198 Qut somewhere? 698 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:44,461 LEONARD: Well, we go to Geneva. 699 00:46:44,568 --> 00:46:46,297 - No, I mean now. - Now? No. 700 00:46:46,403 --> 00:46:48,132 - Why are you... - Qut tonight. 701 00:46:48,238 --> 00:46:49,228 Would you like to listen? 702 00:46:49,339 --> 00:46:51,273 Yes. Yeah. 703 00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:54,634 Um, I don't have any plans, but... 704 00:46:54,745 --> 00:46:55,837 You don't have any place? 705 00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:57,341 No, I don't have any place. 706 00:46:57,447 --> 00:47:01,179 - Do you have somewhere for me? - Yes, a lot. 707 00:47:01,718 --> 00:47:02,776 Okay. 708 00:47:06,123 --> 00:47:08,421 It's hard to come onto a girl in front of the camera. 709 00:47:08,525 --> 00:47:10,721 “What? 710 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:15,265 LEONARD: I was obsessed by gaining women's favors 711 00:47:15,365 --> 00:47:17,299 at a certain point in my life. 712 00:47:17,401 --> 00:47:20,427 And, um, way beyond 713 00:47:20,537 --> 00:47:25,373 any reasonable activity. 714 00:47:25,475 --> 00:47:27,443 It became the most important thing in my life 715 00:47:27,544 --> 00:47:31,174 and it led me into very obsessive behavior 716 00:47:31,281 --> 00:47:32,840 and some very interesting things. 717 00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:34,845 And probably most of the things I learned 718 00:47:35,152 --> 00:47:39,646 about myself and about other people were gained 719 00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:43,283 from this period of obsessive, this blue movie 720 00:47:43,393 --> 00:47:44,827 that I threw myself into. 721 00:47:44,928 --> 00:47:47,556 But we know that blue movies are not romantic. 722 00:47:53,737 --> 00:47:57,640 BILLY DONOVAN: It was a show. It was more women than men. 723 00:47:57,741 --> 00:47:59,436 It was like, you'd look out there 724 00:47:59,543 --> 00:48:03,776 and there was some couples and it was mostly just women. 725 00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:06,248 They read his poetry, right? 726 00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:08,284 And then they see him sing these songs 727 00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:12,913 and they're all just down there crying and all that. 728 00:48:13,223 --> 00:48:14,247 But watching him. 729 00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:18,692 There was no problem with women. 730 00:48:18,795 --> 00:48:20,593 You know, I'll tell you a funny story. 731 00:48:20,697 --> 00:48:25,635 One day, I'm down in the lobby in the Mayfair Hotel, 732 00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:27,670 and he comes walking in 733 00:48:27,771 --> 00:48:32,299 out of a cab with this really nice-looking woman. 734 00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:36,539 And they disappear, come down a couple hours later 735 00:48:36,647 --> 00:48:39,844 and they're having drinks in the lobby, 736 00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:42,385 this bar there. 737 00:48:42,486 --> 00:48:47,253 And she leaves, and then he makes a phone call. 738 00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:48,688 About half hour later he comes back 739 00:48:48,792 --> 00:48:51,693 with a different woman. And they go up. 740 00:48:51,795 --> 00:48:55,595 They're gone. This is in one afternoon. 741 00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:00,637 How are you? 742 00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:02,899 DONOVAN: He had to have a woman all the time. 743 00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:07,910 This guy traveled the world. He knew women and people, 744 00:49:08,011 --> 00:49:12,812 and Paris and London, and all those places, right? 745 00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:15,408 He'd go, "Oh, well let me just call so-and-so." 746 00:49:17,688 --> 00:49:20,487 Yeah, there was no problem there. 747 00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:24,220 In fact, everybody was doing pretty good, even me. 748 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:26,387 Oh, yeah. 749 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,873 LEONARD: I had a great appetite 750 00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:47,474 for the company of women 751 00:49:47,617 --> 00:49:51,884 and for the sexual expression of friendship. 752 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:55,892 And I was very fortunate, because it was the '60s. 753 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,290 And that possibility was very, very present. 754 00:50:02,399 --> 00:50:05,926 And for a tiny moment in social history, 755 00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:07,834 there was a tremendous cooperation 756 00:50:07,938 --> 00:50:13,377 between men and women about that particular item. 757 00:50:13,477 --> 00:50:17,937 And so, I was very lucky that my appetite coincided 758 00:50:18,048 --> 00:50:20,312 with this very rare... 759 00:50:21,651 --> 00:50:23,312 What, religious, social... 760 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:25,013 I don't know what you'd call it. 761 00:50:25,322 --> 00:50:28,952 Some kind of phenomen on, you know, that allowed 762 00:50:29,059 --> 00:50:33,292 men and women, boys and girls, we were, to come together 763 00:50:33,397 --> 00:50:37,356 in that kind of union that satisfied both the appetites. 764 00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:15,767 MARIANNE: I felt much more that Bird on the Wire 765 00:51:15,872 --> 00:51:18,671 had something to do with me, because I was there. 766 00:51:20,444 --> 00:51:24,904 When you see it in the light of how it began, 767 00:51:25,015 --> 00:51:28,918 it was when the new electricity came to Hydra. 768 00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,049 I gave him a guitar. We looked out of the window, 769 00:51:32,155 --> 00:51:35,523 we saw the birds landing on the wires, 770 00:51:35,625 --> 00:51:38,856 and he had not been able to create, or write, or sing, 771 00:51:38,962 --> 00:51:40,452 or do anything for weeks. 772 00:51:40,564 --> 00:51:44,023 And he was in a very, very deep, deep depression. 773 00:51:47,604 --> 00:51:51,734 And it also was a period in my life where I had to 774 00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:56,145 make a decision that was pretty hard. 775 00:51:58,782 --> 00:52:03,049 And that was following my intuition 776 00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:08,619 and decided that Leonard and I was not going to have 777 00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:10,625 any children together. 778 00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:14,797 Yeah. 779 00:52:24,808 --> 00:52:27,539 BROOMFIELD: Marianne came and visited me in Cardiff, 780 00:52:27,644 --> 00:52:30,477 where I was a student living down by the docks. 781 00:52:31,114 --> 00:52:33,606 I was concerned she might get bored, 782 00:52:33,717 --> 00:52:37,119 but Marianne was naturally interested in everyone. 783 00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:39,518 She regarded being receptive and open 784 00:52:39,623 --> 00:52:41,489 as the highest of qualities. 785 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,685 Marianne made friends with all the kids in the street 786 00:52:44,794 --> 00:52:47,092 who followed her around all day. 787 00:52:47,197 --> 00:52:49,859 And she encouraged me to make my very first film 788 00:52:49,966 --> 00:52:51,525 on slum clearance, 789 00:52:51,635 --> 00:52:54,605 as the whole community was being torn down. 790 00:52:55,872 --> 00:52:56,998 Marianne liked to throw 791 00:52:57,107 --> 00:52:59,542 the I Ching every day and get stoned. 792 00:53:00,510 --> 00:53:02,501 She talked about Leonard a lot. 793 00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:06,674 His favorite salt beef sandwich shop in Piccadilly. 794 00:53:06,783 --> 00:53:08,444 His spiritual search, 795 00:53:08,552 --> 00:53:11,453 even dabbling in Scientology and EST. 796 00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:15,217 Marianne, too, was on her own spiritual search. 797 00:53:15,525 --> 00:53:17,994 And Leonard was, in many ways, her teacher. 798 00:53:18,995 --> 00:53:21,896 One day she asked me to drive her to Bath. 799 00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:25,600 She said she was pregnant with Leonard's child. 800 00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:29,635 I think she was pregnant, 801 00:53:29,739 --> 00:53:31,935 but she knew that Leonard didn't want children 802 00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:34,511 and she had abortions even though she would have... 803 00:53:34,611 --> 00:53:38,946 If any one should have had Leonard's children, 804 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:40,483 she deserved to have them. 805 00:53:40,584 --> 00:53:42,678 But she didn't, for Leonard's sake. 806 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,884 But, you know, she wanted what I wanted. 807 00:53:47,991 --> 00:53:53,191 She wanted to be with him. 808 00:53:53,296 --> 00:53:57,233 And you cannot be with Leonard, 809 00:53:59,002 --> 00:54:00,697 in that sense. 810 00:54:02,105 --> 00:54:04,767 Although, you could say that I'd rather have one day 811 00:54:04,874 --> 00:54:06,672 or one night with Leonard, 812 00:54:06,776 --> 00:54:08,107 than a lifetime with somebody else. 813 00:54:08,211 --> 00:54:10,009 That would be easy to say, 814 00:54:10,113 --> 00:54:12,844 but it's not so easy, you know? 815 00:54:12,949 --> 00:54:15,884 I could have said that with Irving, just to be... 816 00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:18,956 I was with Irving for over 20 years. 817 00:54:19,055 --> 00:54:20,580 Whatever the ups and downs, 818 00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,988 how wonderful it was, and it was. 819 00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:26,791 But most of that time was anguish. 820 00:54:27,597 --> 00:54:28,587 - You can't... - Anguish? 821 00:54:28,698 --> 00:54:32,566 Well, you know, was the days of open marriage, 822 00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:35,104 whatever the hell that was. And I don't think 823 00:54:35,205 --> 00:54:38,698 it ever was successful with anybody. 824 00:54:38,808 --> 00:54:42,073 One of the partners was always jealous, 825 00:54:42,178 --> 00:54:44,943 and angry, and hurt, and confused. 826 00:54:45,982 --> 00:54:47,609 I don't know any child who came out of it 827 00:54:47,717 --> 00:54:49,583 not damaged by that period. 828 00:54:49,686 --> 00:54:51,154 We just wanted to do it all. 829 00:54:51,254 --> 00:54:54,656 Take drugs and fuck around and do whatever we... 830 00:54:54,758 --> 00:54:58,888 And the children were just... They came along on the ride. 831 00:54:58,995 --> 00:55:01,327 They didn't wanna come along on that ride. 832 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,589 BROWN: There are a lot of us 833 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:07,102 who grew up very quickly on the island. 834 00:55:07,837 --> 00:55:09,771 There was also a lot of acid on the island. 835 00:55:09,873 --> 00:55:12,035 Like, people were actually dropping acid 836 00:55:12,142 --> 00:55:13,576 into people's drinks. 837 00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:15,042 And I remember hearing 838 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:19,241 reports of people having donkeys. 839 00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:22,842 They were riding donkeys that, like, started tripping 840 00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:25,284 and getting into all kinds of trouble, you know, 841 00:55:25,388 --> 00:55:27,015 and accidents, riding... 842 00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:28,716 BROOMFIELD: They'd give acid t o the donkeys? 843 00:55:28,825 --> 00:55:30,315 BROWN: Yeah, as well as to people. 844 00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:33,961 I got... Someone put acid in one of my drinks 845 00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:36,158 when I was about 13. 846 00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:39,065 And I had no idea what was happening. 847 00:55:40,804 --> 00:55:42,670 Also, a lot of casualties happened. 848 00:55:42,772 --> 00:55:47,073 I think Marianne and a lot of other women 849 00:55:47,177 --> 00:55:50,943 were not as nurturing to their children, perhaps, 850 00:55:51,047 --> 00:55:54,745 or as present with them as they could have been. 851 00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:57,877 Axel was really a casualty of that. 852 00:55:58,922 --> 00:55:59,946 Marianne was going 853 00:56:00,056 --> 00:56:03,287 from one love, to another, to another. 854 00:56:03,393 --> 00:56:07,762 And often he wasn't with her. You know, so who was he with? 855 00:56:07,864 --> 00:56:11,164 And Leonard, you know, he wasn't Leonard's kid. 856 00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:15,137 He started wearing long, 857 00:56:15,238 --> 00:56:18,264 you know, flowing Moroccan robes. 858 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,036 And he was silent for years. 859 00:56:20,143 --> 00:56:24,705 And then, later he became institutionalized. 860 00:56:24,814 --> 00:56:28,045 But I've always felt very sad that he's been, you know, 861 00:56:28,151 --> 00:56:31,781 institutionalized for most of his adult life. 862 00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:38,049 Those who could work with Hydra did really well. 863 00:56:38,161 --> 00:56:40,027 And there weren't many, quite frankly. 864 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:44,363 I saw so many artists who came and either just 865 00:56:44,467 --> 00:56:47,368 found their creativity just wasn't strong enough 866 00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:51,873 to sustain them, or the booze, the sex, 867 00:56:51,975 --> 00:56:54,069 the beauty of the landscape was all too much 868 00:56:54,177 --> 00:56:55,804 and they just gave up. 869 00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:57,903 But Leonard was one of those 870 00:56:58,014 --> 00:57:00,381 who somehow, the whole environment, 871 00:57:00,483 --> 00:57:04,010 I think, sort of coalesced and worked for him 872 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,246 and he worked with it. 873 00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:08,016 still, we didn't plan it. 874 00:57:50,066 --> 00:57:52,000 GOLDMAN: He was a real success story. 875 00:57:52,502 --> 00:57:54,766 He really was. 876 00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:57,203 He wasn't damaged by that place, I think, at all. 877 00:57:58,408 --> 00:58:00,467 Many other people seemed to come away 878 00:58:00,777 --> 00:58:06,443 from that place sort of irreparably damaged. 879 00:58:07,116 --> 00:58:09,414 And it was terrible on marriages. 880 00:58:09,986 --> 00:58:13,752 Very few marriages lasted that place, 881 00:58:13,857 --> 00:58:15,052 including my parents. 882 00:58:21,397 --> 00:58:23,195 BROOMFIELD: I remember Marianne telling me 883 00:58:23,299 --> 00:58:25,859 of the tragedy of the Johnstons, 884 00:58:25,969 --> 00:58:27,095 the family that Leonard had 885 00:58:27,203 --> 00:58:30,070 originally stayed with in 1960, 886 00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:32,870 who left the island after nine years. 887 00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:37,942 GOLDMAN: This family of such amazing talent and promise, 888 00:58:38,047 --> 00:58:40,914 and they just kind of all fell to bits 889 00:58:41,017 --> 00:58:42,815 shortly after leaving the island. 890 00:58:42,919 --> 00:58:44,045 It's my birthday today 891 00:58:44,153 --> 00:58:45,518 and this is a wonderful homecoming. 892 00:58:45,822 --> 00:58:47,312 And that was a photograph of family. 893 00:58:47,423 --> 00:58:50,825 One taken on my birthday last year on the island. 894 00:58:56,566 --> 00:58:59,126 They always speak Greek amongst themselves. 895 00:58:59,235 --> 00:59:01,260 I think it comes more naturally to them. 896 00:59:01,371 --> 00:59:04,932 And they've done all their schooling in Greece, 10 years. 897 00:59:05,041 --> 00:59:07,942 GOLDMAN: When they left, almost penniless, 898 00:59:09,345 --> 00:59:12,280 she killed herself, like, a couple years later. 899 00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:14,908 He died a year after that, 900 00:59:15,952 --> 00:59:17,351 of tuberculosis, probably, 901 00:59:17,453 --> 00:59:22,118 greatly compounded by cigarettes and alcohol. 902 00:59:23,026 --> 00:59:25,051 And then the children 903 00:59:25,161 --> 00:59:28,028 that seemed so, you know, glorious, 904 00:59:28,131 --> 00:59:30,395 and beautiful, and bright, and wonderful on the island, 905 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:35,199 they one-by-one died early of alcoholism and suicide, drugs. 906 00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:36,534 There's only one that's alive. 907 00:59:41,377 --> 00:59:43,402 GEORGE SLATER: Numerous other children 908 00:59:43,513 --> 00:59:45,572 from families that have lived on Hydra 909 00:59:45,882 --> 00:59:50,217 have had a hard time re-entering the real world. 910 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,090 I think there is a depression that sets in 911 00:59:54,190 --> 00:59:55,919 if you've spent any time there. 912 00:59:56,025 --> 00:59:57,959 I've certainly felt it. 913 00:59:58,061 --> 01:00:01,053 There's not a day that goes by that I don't wake up and wish 914 01:00:01,164 --> 01:00:04,498 that I were there, you know, literally. 915 01:00:05,234 --> 01:00:08,602 I never wanted to be any other place in the world, you know. 916 01:00:10,306 --> 01:00:12,866 It's just the place. 917 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:16,580 It's just the place, you know? 918 01:00:17,547 --> 01:00:19,242 It gets into your bones. 919 01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:22,381 I don't know how to describe it, 920 01:00:22,485 --> 01:00:24,647 but it's just the place. 921 01:00:25,455 --> 01:00:28,288 Just stepping off the boat every time, 922 01:00:28,391 --> 01:00:31,019 it's coming home. 923 01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:53,274 CORNELIUS: That was a very weird, weird night. 924 01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:56,544 There was 660.000 people out there. 925 01:00:58,688 --> 01:01:00,486 It was a disturbing night. 926 01:01:04,627 --> 01:01:07,358 They even caught the stage on fire. 927 01:01:07,463 --> 01:01:10,194 Had to put the stage out before we went on. 928 01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:13,401 Maybe we out to get out of here, you know? 929 01:01:13,503 --> 01:01:15,232 Somebody's gonna get hurt. 930 01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:20,303 Leonard embraced it. He got into it. 931 01:01:21,177 --> 01:01:22,645 Like I was saying before, 932 01:01:22,745 --> 01:01:25,009 you either get them or you don't. 933 01:01:25,415 --> 01:01:26,541 He got them. 934 01:01:32,488 --> 01:01:35,082 LEONARD: Well, I was on mandrax at the time. 935 01:01:35,191 --> 01:01:37,683 They used to call me Captain Mandrax. 936 01:01:38,561 --> 01:01:41,724 I think it had... It was like a Quaalude, right? 937 01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:46,229 It was relaxed beyond any reasonable state. 938 01:01:47,236 --> 01:01:49,364 I hope she's here, Marianne. 939 01:01:49,739 --> 01:01:52,208 I hope she's here. Maybe she's here. 940 01:01:55,044 --> 01:01:56,239 I hope she's here. 941 01:01:57,547 --> 01:01:58,708 Marianne. 942 01:02:52,835 --> 01:02:56,294 CORNELIUS: And Marianne was one woman 943 01:02:57,306 --> 01:03:01,573 that didn't seem to me all starstruck over Leonard. 944 01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:06,407 Kind of held her own, put it that way, you know? 945 01:03:08,851 --> 01:03:12,481 She would join us some times for a week at a time, 946 01:03:12,588 --> 01:03:15,353 or maybe ten days at a time and be gone. 947 01:03:15,758 --> 01:03:19,717 There was other ladies that Leonard had on tour, 948 01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:24,232 but when Marianne was in town, he was out of the picture. 949 01:03:25,101 --> 01:03:27,195 She carried with her a different feel 950 01:03:27,303 --> 01:03:31,331 than any woman that I ever saw around Leonard. 951 01:03:40,616 --> 01:03:45,520 There was a need for such a connection 952 01:03:45,621 --> 01:03:47,783 between Leonard and his audience 953 01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:50,518 that would actually have blown your mind. 954 01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:54,195 One night, he had so many people 955 01:03:54,297 --> 01:03:55,787 come up on stage with him 956 01:03:56,766 --> 01:04:00,361 that it was like this big love-in 957 01:04:00,469 --> 01:04:02,665 right in the middle of our concert. 958 01:04:08,311 --> 01:04:11,679 Like a pile of people making love 959 01:04:11,781 --> 01:04:13,408 without taking their clothes off, 960 01:04:13,516 --> 01:04:16,508 but if we could have stuck around a while longer, 961 01:04:16,619 --> 01:04:18,713 who knows what would have happened. 962 01:04:26,896 --> 01:04:29,490 Can you imagine, we're playing in Amsterdam 963 01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,660 and he invites the entire audience 964 01:04:33,502 --> 01:04:36,233 to come home with us to his hotel. 965 01:04:37,506 --> 01:04:38,632 And they did it. 966 01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:46,842 We took a lot of acid on those trips. A lot. 967 01:04:47,850 --> 01:04:49,909 Leonard had a buddy in London. 968 01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:52,654 And he had a thing called Desert Dust. 969 01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:56,555 And if you took a needle 970 01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,728 and touched it to your tongue, 971 01:04:59,829 --> 01:05:02,662 and the tiniest little speck 972 01:05:02,765 --> 01:05:06,702 that you could pick up with that needle on your tongue... 973 01:05:06,869 --> 01:05:07,859 Gone. 974 01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:12,498 I mean, gone for 14 hours with no re-entry. 975 01:05:12,842 --> 01:05:14,207 None. 976 01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:19,413 One time we took that damn Desert Dust 23 nights in a row 977 01:05:19,515 --> 01:05:21,643 playing the Royal Albert Hall, 978 01:05:21,751 --> 01:05:23,310 and the Vienna Opera House 979 01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:25,581 and all the fine places on the... 980 01:05:25,688 --> 01:05:28,316 We were... I mean, I gotta tell you, 981 01:05:28,424 --> 01:05:31,655 there's no way I could ever even survive 982 01:05:31,761 --> 01:05:33,695 one of those nights at this point. 983 01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:35,895 LEONARD: Trying to see my text here. 984 01:05:36,399 --> 01:05:37,457 Hey. 985 01:05:37,566 --> 01:05:39,364 Hey! 986 01:05:40,503 --> 01:05:42,494 WOMAN: That's what you got on you, baby. 987 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:47,402 MAN: This is the way it's gotta be done. 988 01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:48,500 LEONARD: Think that stuff still works? 989 01:05:48,611 --> 01:05:49,601 MAN: I don't know. 990 01:05:49,845 --> 01:05:52,940 Il be in serious trouble if it works or doesn't work. 991 01:05:54,550 --> 01:05:55,779 CORNELIUS: Leonard used to say, 992 01:05:55,885 --> 01:05:58,354 "You have to be in the zone." 993 01:05:59,322 --> 01:06:00,756 Well, we stayed in the zone. 994 01:06:01,457 --> 01:06:02,481 A lot of people would think like, 995 01:06:02,591 --> 01:06:04,582 "Well, if you burn it down really strong 996 01:06:04,694 --> 01:06:05,991 "tonight, tomorrow morning, 997 01:06:06,295 --> 01:06:08,320 "you got that hang over and all that kind of..." 998 01:06:08,431 --> 01:06:10,661 Uh-uh. We stayed in the zone. 999 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,767 Day after day after day. 1000 01:06:14,503 --> 01:06:18,269 There was only one night we were playing in Jerusalem, 1001 01:06:18,374 --> 01:06:20,365 when he wasn't getting them. 1002 01:06:21,944 --> 01:06:24,504 Now look, uh, if it doesn't get any better, 1003 01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:29,281 well just end the concert and I'll refund your money. 1004 01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:34,252 Some nights, one is raised off the ground 1005 01:06:34,724 --> 01:06:36,021 and some nights, 1006 01:06:36,459 --> 01:06:38,518 you just can't get off the ground. 1007 01:06:38,627 --> 01:06:40,618 And there's no point in lying about it. 1008 01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:43,728 And tonight, we just haven't been getting off the ground. 1009 01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:45,733 DONOVAN: So anyway, we're backstage 1010 01:06:46,402 --> 01:06:48,268 and we're going, "Well, what's gonna happen?" 1011 01:06:48,371 --> 01:06:51,534 And Marty Machat, his manager is trying to talk to him. 1012 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,438 And Leonard's just zinging, right? 1013 01:06:53,542 --> 01:06:54,600 I knew that. 1014 01:06:55,378 --> 01:06:56,345 And, uh... 1015 01:06:56,445 --> 01:06:57,640 BROOMFIELD: How do you mean, "zinging"? 1016 01:06:57,747 --> 01:06:59,738 I mean, like, on LSD. 1017 01:06:59,982 --> 01:07:03,646 Like his eyes are blacked out, like they get, right? 1018 01:07:06,689 --> 01:07:07,884 And, uh, he's just feeling... 1019 01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:11,483 And so all of a sudden, he says to me... 1020 01:07:11,594 --> 01:07:14,723 He goes, "Billy, can you get me a razor?" 1021 01:07:15,464 --> 01:07:17,956 I said, "Leonard, what are you gonna do? Cut your throat?" 1022 01:07:18,067 --> 01:07:21,037 And he says, “No, I think if I shave, 1023 01:07:21,337 --> 01:07:22,998 “I might be able to go back out." 1024 01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,038 MAN: And you got... This is the last concert, you know? 1025 01:07:26,342 --> 01:07:27,832 This is something you have to do and then bang... 1026 01:07:27,943 --> 01:07:29,707 Oh, I know what I have to do. I have to shave. 1027 01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:34,080 What a life. What a life. 1028 01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:39,386 Oh, this is wonderful. 1029 01:07:39,488 --> 01:07:41,081 Why didn't you tell me about this? 1030 01:07:47,530 --> 01:07:48,588 DONOVAN: So that's what he did. 1031 01:07:48,697 --> 01:07:50,028 He shaved... 1032 01:07:50,132 --> 01:07:54,660 Dry shaved almost with just some water. 1033 01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:56,397 And then he went back out there 1034 01:07:56,505 --> 01:07:58,599 with a big rash on his face 1035 01:07:58,707 --> 01:08:00,334 and finished the show. 1036 01:08:00,443 --> 01:08:02,844 At least you gotta fry it, man. It's wonderful. 1037 01:08:05,381 --> 01:08:06,439 Oh, yeah. 1038 01:08:08,417 --> 01:08:09,509 Oh, this is really great. 1039 01:08:31,707 --> 01:08:33,766 CORNELIUS: Everybody was shooting from the hip, right? 1040 01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:37,637 Not welded to anything. 1041 01:08:38,914 --> 01:08:43,112 The idea was that, tonight, we will play this song 1042 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,680 better than we did last night. 1043 01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:48,086 And tomorrow night, 1044 01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,625 we're gonna play it better than we did tonight. 1045 01:08:57,099 --> 01:08:58,828 CORNELIUS: There was only one night... 1046 01:08:58,934 --> 01:09:00,868 One night that I felt like... 1047 01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:04,907 That I let things get away from me. 1048 01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:10,646 And I actually went for this beautiful chord. 1049 01:09:10,746 --> 01:09:12,077 It was an F-sharp minor seventh. 1050 01:09:12,181 --> 01:09:16,448 I think in the song called Suzanne. 1051 01:09:16,785 --> 01:09:18,879 And as I went for that chord, 1052 01:09:19,889 --> 01:09:23,189 I actually landed on my face, on the ground 1053 01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:25,119 on the stage right there. 1054 01:09:25,227 --> 01:09:27,992 And Leonard turned around and looked at me like, 1055 01:09:28,097 --> 01:09:29,155 "Okay, all right. 1056 01:09:29,465 --> 01:09:32,457 "We need to now start backing off the mandrax," right? 1057 01:09:36,472 --> 01:09:38,770 BROOMFIELD: Marianne and I kept in touch 1058 01:09:38,874 --> 01:09:40,740 during the '70s and '80s 1059 01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:43,141 with the occasional postcard and letter. 1060 01:09:43,946 --> 01:09:45,778 I was delighted when she suggested 1061 01:09:45,881 --> 01:09:47,440 we might work together. 1062 01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:49,780 And we talked about various ideas. 1063 01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:53,652 Marianne was increasingly concerned about Axel. 1064 01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:57,490 He'd been on a trip to India and taken too many drugs. 1065 01:09:57,927 --> 01:10:00,123 She was upset with Little Axel's father, 1066 01:10:00,229 --> 01:10:01,719 who had encouraged him. 1067 01:10:02,198 --> 01:10:05,463 Axel was now living i n an institution in Oslo, 1068 01:10:06,068 --> 01:10:08,833 and Marianne was spending more and more time with him. 1069 01:10:09,638 --> 01:10:11,470 Marianne had still been following Leonard 1070 01:10:11,574 --> 01:10:12,803 on his travels. 1071 01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:14,069 And very infrequently, 1072 01:10:14,176 --> 01:10:16,645 they still shared the house together on Hydra. 1073 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,479 Apparently, Leonard was now 1074 01:10:19,582 --> 01:10:21,175 living part of the year in Montreal, 1075 01:10:21,283 --> 01:10:23,513 with a woman called Suzanne. 1076 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,088 JUDY SCOTT: I've read three of his biographies 1077 01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:28,520 and I've always been surprised 1078 01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:31,491 that they, sort of, partition it as, like, 1079 01:10:31,594 --> 01:10:34,495 "Okay, here was Marianne. And then that was over. 1080 01:10:34,597 --> 01:10:35,996 "And then he took up with Suzanne." 1081 01:10:36,098 --> 01:10:37,497 But in fact, there was 1082 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,001 a considerable overlap of time 1083 01:10:40,102 --> 01:10:43,197 where he supported both families. 1084 01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:47,737 LAYTON: He said that when he was with her and Axel 1085 01:10:47,843 --> 01:10:49,106 in that house on Hydra, 1086 01:10:49,211 --> 01:10:50,838 he felt that's where he belonged. 1087 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,183 But when he was with Suzanne and the baby in Montreal, 1088 01:10:55,284 --> 01:10:57,082 he felt that's where he belonged. 1089 01:10:57,853 --> 01:10:59,719 And so he was confused. 1090 01:11:00,956 --> 01:11:04,688 Suzanne, she was much more visceral in a way, 1091 01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:07,756 and 14 years younger than him. 1092 01:11:09,031 --> 01:11:09,998 So I guess there was 1093 01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:11,863 a whole bunch of different things 1094 01:11:11,967 --> 01:11:17,167 that conspired to make it come to an end. 1095 01:11:19,642 --> 01:11:22,577 You needed somebody like Suzanne who was... 1096 01:11:23,212 --> 01:11:25,977 Well, the word "ruthless" is just the word 1097 01:11:27,349 --> 01:11:28,783 that comes to mind. 1098 01:11:28,884 --> 01:11:31,649 And she did what she wanted to do 1099 01:11:31,754 --> 01:11:36,555 to bind Leonard to her by any means. 1100 01:11:36,659 --> 01:11:37,922 To use the Black Panther theme, 1101 01:11:38,027 --> 01:11:40,655 "By any means necessary." 1102 01:11:40,863 --> 01:11:43,332 And boy, did she do... 1103 01:11:43,632 --> 01:11:46,966 And she knew exactly what to do and when to do it. 1104 01:11:48,103 --> 01:11:51,038 It was like falling into a spider's web. 1105 01:11:51,740 --> 01:11:52,730 And there was something... 1106 01:11:52,841 --> 01:11:54,900 There's always something terribly fascinating 1107 01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:56,239 about the spider. 1108 01:11:56,912 --> 01:11:58,778 Very fascinating. 1109 01:11:59,682 --> 01:12:03,016 And I think Leonard just fell into that 1110 01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:05,753 ‘cause it was so fascinating. 1111 01:12:07,256 --> 01:12:09,190 I don't even know what drove that whole thing, 1112 01:12:09,291 --> 01:12:10,281 but he knew... 1113 01:12:10,392 --> 01:12:11,689 He knew he was... 1114 01:12:11,794 --> 01:12:13,193 As Irving would say, 1115 01:12:13,295 --> 01:12:15,093 "Make sure you're doing the wrong thing." 1116 01:12:15,197 --> 01:12:19,031 Boy, did he make sure he did the wrong thing with Suzanne. 1117 01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:54,196 CORNELIUS: I think Leonard's quest in life 1118 01:12:54,303 --> 01:12:57,637 overrode the normal, you know, settling down 1119 01:12:57,740 --> 01:13:00,232 and having a home, and a family, 1120 01:13:00,342 --> 01:13:01,935 and all that stuff. 1121 01:13:02,044 --> 01:13:04,376 Leonard always had that feeling 1122 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,081 that he was after something 1123 01:13:07,182 --> 01:13:09,947 that he couldn't get his hands around. 1124 01:13:11,186 --> 01:13:13,018 The only thing about his... I don't know what he... 1125 01:13:13,122 --> 01:13:16,114 I don't think he knew w hat he was chasing, you know? 1126 01:13:16,892 --> 01:13:19,361 I don't think he really knew. 1127 01:13:19,828 --> 01:13:24,163 And that made it, probably darker, you know? 1128 01:13:24,266 --> 01:13:27,099 He lived in darkness 1129 01:13:27,903 --> 01:13:30,167 because he'd disappear for six weeks sometimes. 1130 01:13:30,272 --> 01:13:32,798 I wouldn't know how to find him or nothing. 1131 01:13:32,908 --> 01:13:34,433 Nobody would, you know? 1132 01:13:34,743 --> 01:13:38,680 And it was all a deep, deep depression. 1133 01:13:48,123 --> 01:13:49,318 JOHN LISSAUER: When we toured Europe, 1134 01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:50,824 and when we toured Germany 1135 01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:53,691 I've never seen so many blondes in one audience. 1136 01:13:54,363 --> 01:13:55,728 He was the poet for 1137 01:13:55,831 --> 01:13:58,732 the quasi-depressed women of his era. 1138 01:13:59,034 --> 01:14:00,229 People who were going through issues, 1139 01:14:00,335 --> 01:14:02,861 they'd come up sobbing, "You saved my life. 1140 01:14:02,971 --> 01:14:04,234 "I was in such a dark place. 1141 01:14:04,339 --> 01:14:06,706 "And your darkness led me out of it." 1142 01:14:07,009 --> 01:14:08,408 LEONARD: Thank you so much. 1143 01:14:09,845 --> 01:14:12,837 He had his thing that he projected. 1144 01:14:13,148 --> 01:14:15,242 He had his black suit. 1145 01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:17,819 He had his look of seriousness. 1146 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,752 And you never saw his humor. 1147 01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:22,085 He was a really funny guy, 1148 01:14:22,191 --> 01:14:24,785 but when he was on stage, it was dark, 1149 01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:28,124 and it was lonely, and it was desperate. 1150 01:14:29,398 --> 01:14:30,797 And it's about those who would, uh, 1151 01:14:30,899 --> 01:14:35,063 sacrifice one generation on behalf of another. 1152 01:15:03,432 --> 01:15:08,336 LISSAUER: I wanted to frame each of the songs 1153 01:15:08,437 --> 01:15:12,305 like a little vignette. 1154 01:15:12,407 --> 01:15:14,239 They all had these places of mind. 1155 01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,072 So I was giving them... 1156 01:15:16,178 --> 01:15:17,771 We were using unusual instruments. 1157 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,370 We'd use a couple of muted trombones 1158 01:15:19,481 --> 01:15:20,971 to take it somewhere 1159 01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:24,348 or very icy strings 1160 01:15:24,853 --> 01:15:30,189 and dark, shimmering things to make these little movies. 1161 01:15:30,926 --> 01:15:32,360 And we came back, and we were ready to do 1162 01:15:32,461 --> 01:15:33,929 another couple of weeks in the studio. 1163 01:15:34,029 --> 01:15:37,192 And he said, "I'm gonna go to Hydra for a little bit. 1164 01:15:37,299 --> 01:15:39,791 "As soon as I get back, we'll finish it." 1165 01:15:41,136 --> 01:15:46,267 And I didn't hear from him for seven years. 1166 01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:57,412 It turns out, Marty Machat, 1167 01:15:57,519 --> 01:16:01,012 who was Leonard's manager also managed Phil Spector. 1168 01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:05,390 And he had made a deal for Phil with Warner Bros. 1169 01:16:05,494 --> 01:16:08,862 that got them both a huge advance. 1170 01:16:09,464 --> 01:16:10,522 A really huge advance. 1171 01:16:10,632 --> 01:16:12,122 For the '70s, it was unheard of. 1172 01:16:12,935 --> 01:16:14,334 So what had happened, 1173 01:16:14,436 --> 01:16:16,165 Marty called up Leonard and just said, 1174 01:16:16,271 --> 01:16:17,329 "Forget the record with John. 1175 01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:18,531 "We'll put that on the back burner. 1176 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,165 "We want you to do a record with Phil Spector. 1177 01:16:20,275 --> 01:16:22,209 "He's really famous. It make you a hit." 1178 01:16:22,311 --> 01:16:26,248 And of course he made Death of A Ladies Man 1179 01:16:27,115 --> 01:16:31,916 which, you know, is not his best work. 1180 01:16:34,656 --> 01:16:37,091 LEONARD: That happened at a curious time in my life 1181 01:16:37,192 --> 01:16:39,627 because I was at a very low point. 1182 01:16:39,928 --> 01:16:41,896 My family was breaking up. 1183 01:16:41,997 --> 01:16:43,260 I was living in Los Angeles, 1184 01:16:43,365 --> 01:16:45,390 which was a foreign city to me. 1185 01:16:46,401 --> 01:16:48,460 I'd lost control of, as I say, 1186 01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:53,474 of my family and my work and my life. 1187 01:16:53,575 --> 01:16:56,010 And it was a very, very dark period. 1188 01:16:56,478 --> 01:16:59,277 And when he got into the studio, 1189 01:16:59,381 --> 01:17:01,543 it was clear that he was eccentric, 1190 01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:03,345 but I didn't know that he was mad. 1191 01:17:04,686 --> 01:17:06,950 The atmosphere was one of guns. 1192 01:17:07,055 --> 01:17:10,150 I mean, that's really what was going on, was guns. 1193 01:17:10,525 --> 01:17:12,653 The music was a subsidiary. 1194 01:17:13,161 --> 01:17:14,322 They were armed to the teeth. 1195 01:17:14,429 --> 01:17:16,659 All his friends, his bodyguards, you know? 1196 01:17:17,032 --> 01:17:18,397 And everybody was drunk. 1197 01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:21,402 So, you know, I mean, you were tripping over bullets. 1198 01:17:21,503 --> 01:17:25,235 You were biting into revolvers in your hamburger. 1199 01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:27,604 I mean, Phil was beyond control. 1200 01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:33,079 I remember Phil, you know, shoved a revolver into my neck 1201 01:17:33,181 --> 01:17:35,673 and said, you know, "Leonard, I love you." 1202 01:17:36,418 --> 01:17:38,216 And I said, "I hope you do, Phil." 1203 01:17:46,361 --> 01:17:48,955 I think that if anybody, you know, 1204 01:17:49,064 --> 01:17:51,499 disappointed the project, it was me. 1205 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,399 I didn't have the chops to sing those songs. 1206 01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:59,173 I think a song like Memories is a really dynamite tune. 1207 01:17:59,274 --> 01:18:01,436 I think the tune is great, the lyric is touching, 1208 01:18:01,543 --> 01:18:06,140 and it really does come out of that high school gymnasium. 1209 01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:42,506 MARIANNE: One day, Suzanne, with Little Adam, 1210 01:18:43,185 --> 01:18:46,177 the same age as my son when I came back to Hydra, 1211 01:18:46,288 --> 01:18:47,756 was standing on the doorway, 1212 01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:52,658 wondering when I was moving out 1213 01:18:52,761 --> 01:18:54,354 so she could move in. 1214 01:18:57,265 --> 01:18:58,755 I remember that 1215 01:19:00,435 --> 01:19:05,430 seeing her, I somehow felt a little bit taller, 1216 01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:08,532 a little bit stronger, a little bit older 1217 01:19:08,643 --> 01:19:10,168 and a little bit wiser. 1218 01:19:11,813 --> 01:19:14,714 I got hold of something when I saw her there with the baby. 1219 01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:17,784 And then I, very calmly, 1220 01:19:18,086 --> 01:19:20,555 packed up, took Axel 1221 01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:22,587 and moved out. 1222 01:19:26,628 --> 01:19:29,097 Yeah, so that was... 1223 01:19:29,197 --> 01:19:31,256 Marianne finally decided that enough was enough 1224 01:19:31,366 --> 01:19:33,198 and she did have to come back to Oslo. 1225 01:19:33,301 --> 01:19:35,770 And her mother had always wanted her to come. 1226 01:19:36,071 --> 01:19:38,062 Wanted her to come here and have a normal life. 1227 01:19:38,607 --> 01:19:41,542 Become a secretary, receptionist, 1228 01:19:41,643 --> 01:19:44,340 or something like that and be normal. 1229 01:19:44,579 --> 01:19:46,047 So Marianne had finally decided, 1230 01:19:46,148 --> 01:19:47,582 "Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do." 1231 01:19:47,682 --> 01:19:51,346 So she came back up here, became a secretary, 1232 01:19:51,453 --> 01:19:54,821 married a Norwegian man, 1233 01:19:55,123 --> 01:19:57,558 and became the stepmother to his children. 1234 01:19:57,659 --> 01:20:00,321 Had a very average, ordinary life. 1235 01:20:01,096 --> 01:20:03,258 And then every once in a while s he would go back to Hydra, 1236 01:20:03,365 --> 01:20:04,491 visit her friends. 1237 01:20:14,543 --> 01:20:16,841 LISSAUER: Out of the blue... And I told you I was... 1238 01:20:17,145 --> 01:20:20,479 I'd done Rebecca and never heard from Leonard again. 1239 01:20:20,582 --> 01:20:22,141 I thought, "Well, I did something. 1240 01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:23,684 "What did I... I did something." 1241 01:20:24,686 --> 01:20:26,780 He calls up and, uh, "Hey, man. How you doing?" 1242 01:20:27,622 --> 01:20:28,589 1984. 1243 01:20:29,558 --> 01:20:30,753 "Wanna make a record?" 1244 01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:34,652 I'm saying, "Yeah, I've been waiting. 1245 01:20:34,763 --> 01:20:36,253 "Waiting for this phone call." 1246 01:20:36,665 --> 01:20:38,099 So we went in the studio 1247 01:20:38,733 --> 01:20:41,259 and we did Hallelujah fairly early. 1248 01:20:41,369 --> 01:20:42,666 And he played it for me and it went... 1249 01:20:45,707 --> 01:20:49,871 He had just bought a little Casio synthesizer 1250 01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:52,579 on 7th Avenue and 49th Street. One of these... 1251 01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:55,480 one finger things. 1252 01:20:55,584 --> 01:20:57,109 And he fell in love with it. 1253 01:20:57,452 --> 01:20:59,887 He said, "I wanna record this, use it for the track." 1254 01:21:00,522 --> 01:21:01,887 So we put it down that way. 1255 01:21:03,458 --> 01:21:05,859 We're saying, "Holy crap, man. This is really good. 1256 01:21:06,161 --> 01:21:07,822 "We've done something here." 1257 01:21:08,463 --> 01:21:10,761 Leonard was just grinning. 1258 01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:11,833 Even Marty, 1259 01:21:11,933 --> 01:21:13,901 who was reluctant to like anything I was involved in, 1260 01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:16,296 just said, "This is it." 1261 01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:20,269 We bring him up to Columbia. 1262 01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:22,776 There's a new guy named Walter Yetnikoff. 1263 01:21:23,545 --> 01:21:24,808 This was his first big thing. 1264 01:21:25,547 --> 01:21:26,514 He listened and he says, 1265 01:21:26,615 --> 01:21:28,310 "No, I don't like this a tall" 1266 01:21:28,416 --> 01:21:30,180 And there's a famous quote, you know, 1267 01:21:30,285 --> 01:21:31,377 "Leonard, I know you're great, 1268 01:21:31,486 --> 01:21:32,920 "but I don't know if you're any good." 1269 01:21:33,221 --> 01:21:34,313 Something like that. 1270 01:21:34,422 --> 01:21:37,255 And he says, "We're not gonna release it." 1271 01:21:37,626 --> 01:21:40,391 And Marty then later says, 1272 01:21:40,495 --> 01:21:43,362 “John, I knew it. You ruined Leonard's career. 1273 01:21:43,765 --> 01:21:46,359 "You have ruined... This is an unreleasable record. 1274 01:21:46,468 --> 01:21:48,368 "It's the biggest disappointment in our lives. 1275 01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:50,336 "I can't believe you did this to Leonard." 1276 01:21:50,438 --> 01:21:52,702 And he had loved it earlier in the day, but... 1277 01:21:52,807 --> 01:21:55,208 And I'm saying, "Well, what do you mean?" 1278 01:21:55,777 --> 01:21:58,371 He said, "No, they hate it. They're not gonna release it." 1279 01:22:00,282 --> 01:22:02,273 At which point, he ceremoniously 1280 01:22:02,384 --> 01:22:04,546 threw my contract in the garbage. 1281 01:22:04,653 --> 01:22:06,178 I never got to sign it. 1282 01:22:06,288 --> 01:22:07,278 And he said, 1283 01:22:07,389 --> 01:22:10,359 "And you're not gonna be working for Columbia anymore." 1284 01:22:10,458 --> 01:22:11,425 There was a couple other artists 1285 01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:13,392 I was supposed to work with. And I was just... 1286 01:22:13,495 --> 01:22:15,759 That was it. I was done. 1287 01:22:16,831 --> 01:22:18,560 In the morning, we thought we had this 1288 01:22:18,667 --> 01:22:20,692 greatest of all Leonard Cohen records. 1289 01:22:20,802 --> 01:22:22,736 And by the afternoon, I was out of the business. 1290 01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:27,503 It was the end of the world. 1291 01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:31,709 That's when the whole Mt. Baldy thing happened. 1292 01:22:32,681 --> 01:22:35,616 That's a huge phase in Leonard's life. 1293 01:22:36,885 --> 01:22:37,875 I didn't see him. 1294 01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:39,249 I got out of the record business 1295 01:22:39,354 --> 01:22:42,881 essentially because of how this record went down. 1296 01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:07,642 LISSAUER: This record was monumentally important. 1297 01:23:07,749 --> 01:23:09,740 It was the anthem of anthems. 1298 01:23:11,486 --> 01:23:13,580 But to this day, I've yet to see any royalties. 1299 01:23:23,031 --> 01:23:25,864 GOLDMAN: I think that through all of this searching 1300 01:23:25,967 --> 01:23:27,696 and searching for herself 1301 01:23:27,802 --> 01:23:29,827 and for her identity through 1302 01:23:29,938 --> 01:23:32,635 all those years on Hydra and other places, 1303 01:23:33,608 --> 01:23:35,440 and having had, you know, 1304 01:23:35,543 --> 01:23:37,341 the first husband who was the writer 1305 01:23:37,445 --> 01:23:40,278 and the second husband who was the writer and singer, 1306 01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:42,814 and never really knowing who she was, 1307 01:23:42,917 --> 01:23:46,012 except in comparison to them, somehow in relation to them. 1308 01:23:46,621 --> 01:23:48,680 I think it took coming back here 1309 01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:50,656 for her to really find herself. 1310 01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,485 She was a really nice person. 1311 01:23:53,595 --> 01:23:56,064 Very kind. And very generous. 1312 01:23:57,399 --> 01:23:59,390 She really listened to you when you talked. 1313 01:23:59,501 --> 01:24:01,367 Not a lot of people do that. 1314 01:24:02,037 --> 01:24:03,630 Most people when they're talking to you, 1315 01:24:03,738 --> 01:24:04,705 they're just kind of waiting 1316 01:24:04,806 --> 01:24:07,366 ill they can say their next line, you know? 1317 01:24:07,609 --> 01:24:10,340 But she was really interested and she really listened, 1318 01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:11,412 and she really thought about it. 1319 01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:14,380 She was a very generous and kind person. 1320 01:24:19,587 --> 01:24:22,386 BROOMFIELD: I hadn't visited Hydra for 40 years. 1321 01:24:22,757 --> 01:24:24,555 It had changed from the wondrous place 1322 01:24:24,659 --> 01:24:26,718 you could live on a thousand dollars a year, 1323 01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:29,320 to the playground of the very rich. 1324 01:24:33,802 --> 01:24:37,397 One of the only survivors of the old Hydra is Don Lowe, 1325 01:24:37,505 --> 01:24:39,735 who lives up this path in this house 1326 01:24:39,841 --> 01:24:41,969 without electricity or running water. 1327 01:24:42,844 --> 01:24:45,370 Don prefers candles and has a well. 1328 01:24:46,748 --> 01:24:49,911 Marianne introduced me to Don in 1968. 1329 01:24:50,552 --> 01:24:53,522 He has since self-published over 30 books. 1330 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:58,025 Oh, there you are. 1331 01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:03,929 Don has lived on Hydra for 60 years. 1332 01:25:04,532 --> 01:25:07,900 The last time he left the island was 25 years ago. 1333 01:25:08,503 --> 01:25:10,471 LOWE: I made this for my... 1334 01:25:10,572 --> 01:25:11,664 I didn't wanna get stuck 1335 01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:13,605 and then got no where to live, you see. 1336 01:25:14,943 --> 01:25:15,933 BROOMFIELD: Wow, it's beautiful. 1337 01:25:16,044 --> 01:25:18,138 I's nice, you see? Dug it out. 1338 01:25:18,713 --> 01:25:20,511 BROOMFIELD: Did one of your children do that? 1339 01:25:20,615 --> 01:25:21,605 LOWE: No, I did that. 1340 01:25:21,716 --> 01:25:23,616 BROOMFIELD: You did that? It's beautiful. 1341 01:25:23,718 --> 01:25:25,743 LOWE: That's my idea of paradise. 1342 01:25:25,854 --> 01:25:28,846 You can cook here and you can write a book here, 1343 01:25:28,957 --> 01:25:30,686 if you are that way, inclined. 1344 01:25:30,792 --> 01:25:35,662 It's got a view of the sea and next door. 1345 01:25:35,763 --> 01:25:38,391 This is where Marianne was gonna stay, 1346 01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:39,763 in the house there. 1347 01:25:40,502 --> 01:25:42,027 BROOMFIELD: Marianne was gonna stay where in the house? 1348 01:25:42,137 --> 01:25:45,437 LOWE: Just there. You can see it through there. 1349 01:25:46,741 --> 01:25:48,937 She was very nice at the end, Marianne, 1350 01:25:49,043 --> 01:25:51,978 because she mellowed and, you know... 1351 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,606 Because it was never easy after Leonard... 1352 01:25:55,049 --> 01:25:56,949 Because every time he gave a concert or something, 1353 01:25:57,051 --> 01:25:58,883 she'd get caught up in it. 1354 01:26:01,222 --> 01:26:04,783 Every time he gave a concert, she had an invitation. 1355 01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:07,123 And she was interviewed in Norway 1356 01:26:07,228 --> 01:26:09,959 and things like that and so she couldn't really... 1357 01:26:10,064 --> 01:26:12,726 She married a lovely guy afterwards, 1358 01:26:12,834 --> 01:26:14,859 divorced him, and married him again. 1359 01:26:15,637 --> 01:26:18,868 And, Jan, a very sweet man. Norwegian. 1360 01:26:21,476 --> 01:26:25,504 Yeah, I got quite fond of her at the end, Marianne. 1361 01:26:25,613 --> 01:26:29,777 Even when we were younger, we lived around way. 1362 01:26:30,818 --> 01:26:33,617 But near the end, she became very close. 1363 01:26:34,556 --> 01:26:35,546 Mmm-hmm. 1364 01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:03,814 LEONARD: I had some wonderful moments on the road. 1365 01:27:03,918 --> 01:27:05,613 You know, traveling with musicians 1366 01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,654 and playing with musicians. 1367 01:27:07,755 --> 01:27:10,622 But by and large, I didn't have what it took 1368 01:27:10,725 --> 01:27:15,526 to really enjoy my success, or my celebrity. 1369 01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:17,029 I was never able to locate it. 1370 01:27:17,131 --> 01:27:19,225 I was never able to use it. 1371 01:27:23,538 --> 01:27:24,801 Well, that's beautiful, huh? 1372 01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:27,807 CORNELIUS: Doing what he did up there, came natural to him 1373 01:27:27,909 --> 01:27:30,003 because of his discipline. 1374 01:27:30,111 --> 01:27:33,911 He became a servant for years and years there. 1375 01:27:34,015 --> 01:27:36,916 He had to get up at, like, 3:00 in the morning. 1376 01:27:37,018 --> 01:27:39,783 Some of the things he told me that they did up there, 1377 01:27:39,887 --> 01:27:41,855 I don't know if I could have hung with that. 1378 01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:44,087 - You're a small? - Yeah. 1379 01:27:44,192 --> 01:27:45,751 - Your black bag? - Yeah. 1380 01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:47,259 Uh, brown bag? What did I do with it? 1381 01:27:47,562 --> 01:27:49,656 I just saw... Oh, in here, Roshi. In here. 1382 01:27:50,031 --> 01:27:51,021 In here. 1383 01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:57,196 - Your handbag? - Yeah. 1384 01:27:57,305 --> 01:27:58,636 - It's still in car? - Yeah. 1385 01:27:58,740 --> 01:27:59,901 Okay. 1386 01:28:01,876 --> 01:28:03,002 You want to eat something, Roshi? 1387 01:28:03,111 --> 01:28:04,579 - Huh? - You want to eat something? 1388 01:28:05,213 --> 01:28:06,738 Yeah, now wait. 1389 01:28:07,115 --> 01:28:08,207 Oh, okay. Okay. 1390 01:28:09,284 --> 01:28:12,117 LISSAUER: Roshi was h is spiritual advisor, 1391 01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:14,814 his Buddhist monk leader. 1392 01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:16,785 He centered him. 1393 01:28:16,891 --> 01:28:21,021 It was like having mom and dad watching you if you think 1394 01:28:21,129 --> 01:28:25,066 because you're likely to be tempted to stray. 1395 01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:27,292 I think it was his crutch. 1396 01:28:27,935 --> 01:28:31,599 And it also probably increased his focus and concentration. 1397 01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:35,165 LEONARD: I'm trying to learn some things about love. 1398 01:28:39,113 --> 01:28:41,047 Well, love is that activity 1399 01:28:43,217 --> 01:28:46,050 that makes the power of man and woman 1400 01:28:47,722 --> 01:28:50,987 that incorporates into your own heart, 1401 01:28:51,859 --> 01:28:54,191 where you can embody man and woman, 1402 01:28:54,295 --> 01:28:57,094 when you can embody Hell and Heaven, 1403 01:28:57,198 --> 01:28:59,895 when you can reconcile and contain, 1404 01:29:00,001 --> 01:29:02,868 when man and woman becomes your content. 1405 01:29:04,072 --> 01:29:06,097 In other words, when your woman 1406 01:29:06,207 --> 01:29:07,936 becomes your own content 1407 01:29:08,943 --> 01:29:12,607 and you become her content, that's love. 1408 01:29:14,148 --> 01:29:18,381 And you recognize the full equality of that exchange 1409 01:29:18,686 --> 01:29:20,711 because if she's smaller than you, 1410 01:29:20,822 --> 01:29:22,187 she can't fill you. 1411 01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:26,352 And if you're larger than her, you can'tfill her, you know? 1412 01:29:26,661 --> 01:29:28,095 So there has to be an understanding 1413 01:29:28,196 --> 01:29:32,030 that there really is an absolute equality of power. 1414 01:29:32,133 --> 01:29:33,999 Different kinds of power. 1415 01:29:34,102 --> 01:29:35,968 Obviously, different kinds of magic, 1416 01:29:36,437 --> 01:29:40,374 different kinds of strength, different kinds of movement 1417 01:29:40,675 --> 01:29:43,167 that's as different as night and day. 1418 01:29:43,678 --> 01:29:44,839 And it is night and day. 1419 01:29:44,946 --> 01:29:46,971 And it is the moon and the sun. 1420 01:29:47,081 --> 01:29:48,913 And it is the land and the sea. 1421 01:29:49,016 --> 01:29:50,245 And it is plus and minus, 1422 01:29:50,351 --> 01:29:51,716 itis Heaven and Hell. 1423 01:29:51,819 --> 01:29:53,150 It is all those antonyms. 1424 01:29:53,254 --> 01:29:55,052 But they're all equal. 1425 01:29:56,958 --> 01:29:59,427 I have experienced it. I have experienced it. 1426 01:29:59,727 --> 01:30:01,092 You don't have to change the world. 1427 01:30:01,195 --> 01:30:03,323 There's not gonna be any revolutions. 1428 01:30:15,877 --> 01:30:17,868 CORNELIUS: I'm sure that everybody a lready knows 1429 01:30:17,979 --> 01:30:21,176 about all that transpired along the way 1430 01:30:21,282 --> 01:30:23,080 when he came back down off the mountain. 1431 01:30:23,184 --> 01:30:25,118 He had no money, you know? 1432 01:30:25,353 --> 01:30:29,051 Because this person that he had trusted... 1433 01:30:29,157 --> 01:30:30,886 A person that he would have 1434 01:30:30,992 --> 01:30:33,324 taken a bullet for, so to speak... 1435 01:30:33,961 --> 01:30:35,122 What he told me... 1436 01:30:36,030 --> 01:30:38,965 That he spent holidays with her children 1437 01:30:39,066 --> 01:30:43,799 and his children, had absolutely sold him out. 1438 01:30:44,172 --> 01:30:46,937 And that it turned out 1439 01:30:47,041 --> 01:30:51,308 that a friendship tha t he thought was the real deal, 1440 01:30:51,746 --> 01:30:54,340 ended up being a really bad thing. 1441 01:30:56,484 --> 01:30:59,249 LEONARD: Well, the money seems to be gone. Uh... 1442 01:30:59,921 --> 01:31:02,982 As far as the manager, 1443 01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:05,218 you know, who was my dear friend, 1444 01:31:07,361 --> 01:31:09,159 I'm still rather fond of her. 1445 01:31:09,464 --> 01:31:14,300 But she, um... There's been a judgment of 1446 01:31:16,037 --> 01:31:17,971 several million dollars a gainst her. 1447 01:31:18,306 --> 01:31:20,832 But, uh, you know... Well, that's... 1448 01:31:21,375 --> 01:31:23,844 She doesn't seem to have any money to... 1449 01:31:23,945 --> 01:31:25,242 It's impossible to collect it. 1450 01:31:25,346 --> 01:31:27,906 I don't know. I guess I should be more worried than I am, 1451 01:31:28,015 --> 01:31:29,346 but I'm not. 1452 01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:32,215 So what can I say, you know? 1453 01:31:41,963 --> 01:31:44,091 CORNELIUS: All of a sudden, here he is. 1454 01:31:44,866 --> 01:31:49,428 He's now in his 70s and he has no money now. 1455 01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:52,405 He said to me, "All I can do 1456 01:31:52,507 --> 01:31:55,909 "is get out there and tour and try to make some money." 1457 01:31:56,811 --> 01:31:59,109 He said, "I don't know if can do it or not." 1458 01:31:59,213 --> 01:32:05,118 It's been a long time since I stood on a stage in London. 1459 01:32:09,323 --> 01:32:13,885 Was about 14 or 15 years ago. 1460 01:32:13,995 --> 01:32:17,192 I was 60 years old, 1461 01:32:17,298 --> 01:32:19,266 just a kid with a crazy dream. 1462 01:32:22,436 --> 01:32:24,837 LISSAUER: Suddenly Leonard was the hottest ticket in town 1463 01:32:24,939 --> 01:32:26,907 and went from our little tour bus 1464 01:32:27,008 --> 01:32:30,239 with two sound engineers and three roadies 1465 01:32:30,344 --> 01:32:33,405 to an entourage of 59 people on his own jet. 1466 01:32:46,427 --> 01:32:47,519 LISSAUER: And he was making 1467 01:32:47,628 --> 01:32:50,154 upwards of $15 million every year. 1468 01:32:51,032 --> 01:32:53,000 One of the top 10 grossing acts. 1469 01:32:53,634 --> 01:32:56,194 He went from l iterally being wiped out 1470 01:32:56,304 --> 01:32:58,830 to incredible stardom. 1471 01:33:47,421 --> 01:33:49,219 MOLLESTAD: It was a love story 1472 01:33:49,323 --> 01:33:54,193 which had the 50 chapters without being together. 1473 01:33:56,464 --> 01:33:59,456 She had a compartment of her heart 1474 01:33:59,567 --> 01:34:02,229 which was always married to Leonard. 1475 01:34:09,243 --> 01:34:11,405 That's the beauty of 1476 01:34:11,512 --> 01:34:14,641 Marianne's and Leonard's history. 1477 01:34:14,949 --> 01:34:18,112 That they had this place for each other 1478 01:34:18,352 --> 01:34:21,378 fill the very end. 1479 01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:24,584 And it's not the bitter end. It was a lovely end. 1480 01:34:25,559 --> 01:34:27,618 It's a very beautiful end. 1481 01:34:28,195 --> 01:34:32,359 Suddenly, one evening, I got an SMS saying, 1482 01:34:32,566 --> 01:34:35,661 "I'm at hospital. I'm going to die. 1483 01:34:36,437 --> 01:34:37,700 "Please take care of 1484 01:34:38,005 --> 01:34:40,531 “Little Axel and Jan, my husband." 1485 01:34:42,176 --> 01:34:46,443 She asked me, "Could you tell Leonard?" 1486 01:34:49,316 --> 01:34:51,341 And another thing s he said was, 1487 01:34:51,452 --> 01:34:53,147 "Could you bring a camera? 1488 01:34:53,487 --> 01:34:56,422 "Because I still feel I have something to say." 1489 01:35:01,395 --> 01:35:02,726 And in the morning, 1490 01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:06,625 there was this lovely letter from Leonard to Marianne. 1491 01:35:10,571 --> 01:35:12,335 MOLLESTAD: "Dearest Marianne. 1492 01:35:15,009 --> 01:35:17,535 "I'm just a little behind you. 1493 01:35:18,546 --> 01:35:21,243 "Close enough to take your hand. 1494 01:35:23,384 --> 01:35:26,479 "This old body of mine has given up 1495 01:35:26,587 --> 01:35:28,385 "as yours has, too. 1496 01:35:29,557 --> 01:35:33,050 "I've never forgotten your love and your beauty, 1497 01:35:34,562 --> 01:35:36,121 "but you know that. 1498 01:35:36,564 --> 01:35:38,328 "I don't have to say more. 1499 01:35:40,101 --> 01:35:42,570 "Safe travels, old friend. 1500 01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:45,198 "See you down the road. 1501 01:35:46,207 --> 01:35:49,199 "Endless love and gratitude, 1502 01:35:50,144 --> 01:35:51,305 "your Leonard." 1503 01:36:29,316 --> 01:36:32,308 And the beautiful thing was that 1504 01:36:33,420 --> 01:36:35,184 this old, sick man 1505 01:36:36,524 --> 01:36:42,293 reached his old, sick lover 1506 01:36:45,299 --> 01:36:47,427 with the message 1507 01:36:49,570 --> 01:36:51,766 that she had always wanted to hear. 1508 01:36:57,578 --> 01:36:59,376 And I think that, uh, 1509 01:37:01,282 --> 01:37:04,081 for Marianne, this was a ring 1510 01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:07,213 that started with leaving Oslo 1511 01:37:07,721 --> 01:37:10,383 and going into the adventure with Axel, 1512 01:37:11,759 --> 01:37:14,694 and meeting Leonard, losing Leonard, 1513 01:37:16,397 --> 01:37:17,626 meeting Jan, 1514 01:37:20,234 --> 01:37:22,498 having problems, of course, with her son. 1515 01:37:25,506 --> 01:37:28,373 And then, when this love letter came from Leonard, 1516 01:37:30,277 --> 01:37:34,111 I think she felt that it was all completed. 1517 01:37:35,883 --> 01:37:37,317 So, uh, 1518 01:37:41,388 --> 01:37:44,221 that's what words of love can do. 1519 01:37:52,333 --> 01:37:53,767 LEONARD: Greece is a good place 1520 01:37:53,868 --> 01:37:55,836 to look at the moon, isn't it? 1521 01:37:56,737 --> 01:37:58,705 You can read by moonlight. 1522 01:37:59,673 --> 01:38:01,163 You can read on the terrace. 1523 01:38:01,275 --> 01:38:04,768 You can see a face as you saw it when you were young. 1524 01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:07,477 It was good light then. 1525 01:38:07,581 --> 01:38:09,777 Oil lamps and candles, 1526 01:38:10,451 --> 01:38:11,782 and those little lames 1527 01:38:11,886 --> 01:38:14,355 that floated on a cork in olive ail. 1528 01:38:15,856 --> 01:38:19,690 What I loved in my old life, I haven't forgotten. 1529 01:38:20,794 --> 01:38:22,694 It lives in my spine. 1530 01:38:23,397 --> 01:38:25,456 Marianne and the child, 1531 01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:27,827 the days of kindness. 1532 01:38:28,736 --> 01:38:32,934 It rises in my spine and it manifests as tears. 1533 01:38:34,441 --> 01:38:39,777 I pray that loving memory exists for them, too. 1534 01:38:40,748 --> 01:38:47,313 The precious ones I overthrew for an education in the world. 117356

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