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NEWSREADER:
The woman who inspired
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the songwriter and poet
Leonard Cohen
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to write some of his
best known work has died.
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So Long, Marianne
and Bird on the Wire
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were written decades ago
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for Cohen's then lover
and muse, Marianne Ihlen.
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They split up,
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but when Marianne grew ill
and near
death with leukemia,
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her close friend
Jan Christian Mollestad
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contacted Leonard Cohen.
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Less than two hours later,
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a message came back,
which Jan read to her.
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MOLLESTAD:
(ON RECORDING)
"Dearest Marianne."
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"I'm just a little behind you.
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"Close enough
to take your hand.
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"I've never forgotten
your love
and your beauty,
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"but you know that.
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"I don't have to say more.
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"Well, safe travels,
old friend.
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"See you down the road.
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"Endless love and gratitude,
your Leonard."
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I wrote this for Marianne.
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I hope she's here.
Maybe she's here.
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I hope she's here.
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Marianne.
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This song is called
So Long, Marianne.
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And a girl called Marianne
that I know very well,
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she came to me after I sang it
for her first and she said...
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She's a Norwegian.
She said, uh,
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“I'm certainly glad that song
wasn't written for me."
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I said, "Oh, uh, yeah?"
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And she said, "Yeah,
‘cause
my name is Marianne."
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NICK BROOMFIELD:
This is Marianne,
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filmed on the island of Hydra
in
the early '60s.
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She said the song
So Long, Marianne
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was originally called
Come On, Marianne,
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and was not her favorite song.
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She said it was not originally
intended as a goodbye,
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but came, in actuality,
to foreshadow the end
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of Marianne and Leonard's
relationship as lovers.
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This is Little Axel,
Marianne's seven-year-old son.
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LITTLE AXEL: Film it.
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LEONARD: It looks like
some kind of a lobster.
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It has
all kinds of openers in there.
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BROOMFIELD: It was the '60s,
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and the time of free love
and open marriage,
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including Leonard
and Marianne's.
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I was a rather lost
20-year-old,
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visiting the island of Hydra
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when Marianne befriended me.
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For a short while,
I became one of her lovers.
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She encouraged me
to follow my dreams
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and she played me
Leonard's songs
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under the Greek moon
and stars.
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Her smile and enthusiasm
were one of a kind.
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And I felt
completely intoxicated
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by the beauty
of their relationship.
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LEONARD: I just left one day.
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And, uh, I won a prize
for a book
that I wrote.
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And they gave me some money,
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and I got on a plane
and I came,
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eventually to Greece
and got on a boat.
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And I just saw this island
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that was so beautiful,
you know?
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I come from a country
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that's covered with snow
half the year.
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And I saw this island,
you know,
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completely shining.
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I just got off,
met a girl there,
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and I stayed.
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There were jus t
a few foreigners there
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in those days.
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And the Johnstons
were central figures.
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They were older,
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they were doing
what we all wanted
to do,
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which was to write and to make
a living out of writing.
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And they were there
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and they were very wonderful,
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colorful, hospitable people,
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and they helped me settle in.
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They really helped me out.
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NANCY BACAL: That was first
what made him an outcast
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in Montreal.
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It was the journey
into the dark,
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because nobody
wanted to go there.
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And I remember my mother
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writing me some
horrible things
about him.
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He knew the dark.
He knew the struggle
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from moment to moment.
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You were supposed to
find a mate
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and get married
and live in Westmount.
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They all stayed in Westmount.
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So, we left.
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We had our own way of being.
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We found our own lives,
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but they turned out
to be synchronistic.
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Can I have a sip?
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LITTLE AXEL: You'll have to
even all of them.
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LEONARD: The days were
very,
very ordinary.
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We'd get up early
and have breakfast
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and I'd go to work.
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And the sandwich
would be brought to me.
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I think I was on speed, too,
so I wasn't eating very much.
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And the day
would proceed like that.
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I'had a quota, I think
it was three
pages a day.
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MOLLESTAD: She was beautiful.
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But she didn't really
enjoy being beautiful
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before she met Leonard
and he made her love living.
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She felt that
not only did Leonard
see her
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but he really loved her.
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And he really
made her feel beautiful.
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I think if you should
really understand Marianne,
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you have to understand
her first husband Axel.
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Axel could get so angry.
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So he would throw out
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the furniture from the window
and outin the street.
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I don't think he ever hit her.
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But he was violent.
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Leonard was the one
who came
into Marianne's life,
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who had watched
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the relationship
breaking down.
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Leonard saved her life
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and he went into
a kind of role
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as a kind of helping hand.
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He helped with Little Axel
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and he helped her with
talking
and practical things.
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He was the father
in areal sense.
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And Little Axel
still is talking about
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Leonard as a very good force.
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JEFFREY BROWN:
He's a very smart kid.
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He was very quiet,
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maybe a bit shy, even.
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Axel and I would just...
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We would roam the hills.
We would find fossils and...
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HELLE GOLDMAN: I lived there
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from the time
that I was three
months old.
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And we used to
run around barefoot,
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through the slightly
powdery feeling
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of the dried seawater
on the stones.
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Every part of it is beautiful
in every season.
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Any time of the day or night.
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The freshly baked bread
and things like that.
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I mean, I've never experienced
those things anywhere else.
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Even the air has a kind of...
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You can sort of feel the air,
especially in the evening.
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It feels like,
sort of silky...
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You're wrapped in something
silky and velvety.
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There was
so much freedom there
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that people just went
too far with it.
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So there was always that
danger
hanging over people.
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BROOMFIELD: I was mesmerized
by the island's beauty,
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and had never before met
so many golden,
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sun-kissed people
of either sex
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having so much fun together.
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It felt like
a nything was possible.
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Marianne gave me
my first acid trip,
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which she said had come
from a friend
of Leonard's
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in London called Malcolm,
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and she took these picture
s
of me the morning after.
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I had no intention of leaving,
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but then one of
Marianne's other lovers
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unexpectedly showed up
on the island,
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and I found myself
hastily boarding
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the next boat back to Athens.
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My enthusiasm for Hydra,
however,
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remained undiminished.
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I suggested to Rick,
my best friend
from school,
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that he go there as a break
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from a hectic career
as a journalist.
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Rick intended to go
for two weeks,
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but ended up
staying for 14 years.
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I came to Hydra,
which he recommended,
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and suddenly this enormous
sense of relief,
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because it was a combination,
I think, of beauty,
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the beauty of the place,
the simplicity of the place,
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and the genuineness
of the
environment there.
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It was just a small group
of artists
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who were either refugees
of some
kind or another,
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and you could live
so cheaply then.
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Leonard didn't have
much money
back then.
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And there was this
sort of unwritten
rule,
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certainly back when I was
first on Hydra,
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that if you saw someone like Leonard
at a table,
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then you didn't assume
you could
go and sit with him.
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They were there to be alone
and to remain alone,
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and they were
doing their writing.
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LEONARD: A large part
of my life
was escaping,
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whatever it was.
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Even if the situation
looked good
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I had to escape,
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because it didn't look
good to me.
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So it was a selfish life
and, uh...
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But it didn't seem
so at the time.
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It just seemed
a matter of survival.
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And I guess the kids suffered
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and people
close to me suffered
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because I was always leaving.
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I was always trying
to get away.
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I was very much encouraged
by a friend of mine,
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by the name of Irving Layton,
influenced by his manner.
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After he'd ask me
what I'm doing,
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he'd always say,
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"Leonard, are you sure
you're doing
the wrong thing?"
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And that really struck home.
That really sounded right.
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And Cohen's concern
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is my renunciation
of the Canadian
public.
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HOST: Is this true,
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or have you some other
concern, Mr. Cohen,
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that you'd like to get off
your chest right now?
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LEONARD: When I get up
in the morning,
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my real concern
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is to discover whether or not
I'm in a state of grace.
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BROOMFIELD: What do you think
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Leonard loved so much
about Irving?
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AVIVA LAYTON:
He loved his intellect,
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he loved his imagination,
and he felt that
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Irving was the real thing,
in terms of poetry.
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And the very first time
I saw Leonard,
Irving said,
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“I'm gonna ask this man
to come around...
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"this boy-man to..." He was...
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I think he was 19, 20.
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And I said, "Who is he?"
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And he said,
"He's the real thing."
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They each thought of
each other
as the real thing.
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They also had a very strong
Jewish connection.
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That was a very strong thing
in Irving's life.
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A very strong thing
in Leonard's life.
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Leonard was
an aristocratic Jew.
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Leonard came
from a wealthy family,
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very well-rooted
in Canadian culture.
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He came
from an educated family...
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Highly educated family.
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I never knew Leonard's father,
of course,
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who died
when Leonard was young.
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But his mother, Masha,
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was as mad as a hatter.
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Really mad.
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She had a thing about Irving.
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I wouldn't be
at all surprised,
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Leonard and I
would laugh about it,
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whether Irving and Masha ever
actually went to bed together.
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He went to bed with...
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Irving went to bed
with everybody,
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why not Leonard's mother?
I mean...
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And she was ma...
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She was very attracted
to Irving.
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And Irving might have...
She was very beautiful,
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but mad.
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I think
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really great writers
have to have mad,
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oedipally mad mothers.
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And if that's the case,
then that's what he had.
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LEONARD: I mean, I know that
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a lot of my love of music
comes from my mother,
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who had a lovely voice.
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She was Russian and she sang
songs around the house.
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And I know that those changes,
those melodies
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touched me very much.
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And that's certainly
an influence.
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She would sing with us.
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I'd take my guitar to
a restaurant
with my friends.
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And my mother would come
and
we'd often sing all night.
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WOMAN: Yeah,
very good coffee...
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MAN: The plague of all things.
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LEONARD: Are you having fun?
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Okay.
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We're winning. We're winning.
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We're winning
the internal battle.
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We're keeping the party going.
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We're keeping the party going.
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BACAL: He loved women,
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no question about it.
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But he needed to be
his own
person in his own way.
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So he could love women
from a distance,
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and love them when they came
through and make them...
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He could make women feel
good about themselves.
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And that's how he loved them.
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That's how he loved them.
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But he couldn't
give himself to them,
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because he couldn't
give himself away.
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MARIANNE: I was not satisfied
with my life at all.
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I didn't know what to do.
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I was the only one who
didn't paint,
write, sculpt.
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So everybody was artists.
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Lots of people
came off
the boat to Hydra.
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Jacqueline Kennedy was there.
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Princess Margaret was there.
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So what could I say?
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So finally, I would say,
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"I am an artist.
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"Life is an art. I'm living."
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Not very original.
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I was looking at myself
and saying,
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"Oh, everything is wrong
with me,"
you know? So...
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It's a pity.
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BROOMFIELD: Marianne had been
the one
to support Leonard
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through the nightmare
of writing
his last novel,
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Beautiful Losers, on Hydra.
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LEONARD: I wrote
a lot of books there
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and a lot of songs.
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I published the novel
Beautiful Losers,
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but I really couldn't
pay the rent.
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LAYTON: Oh, yeah,
he went quite crazy.
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I mean, you'd have to be crazy
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to write Beautiful Losers,
it's like...
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It's like
a hallucinogenic madness.
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He used to stay out there
under that hot Greek sun.
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And Marianne would make him
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little baskets
of food and water
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and drop them over to him.
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I mean, he wrote that book
in a fever.
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So he would never
have been able
to do that
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anywhere else
except on that island.
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VICK: Leonard had
always used acid.
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It just gave you
that extra whoosh.
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It was never just like taking
it to get out of oneself.
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It was very much to do with
part of the spiritual search.
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And it allowed him to go
into
his madness, I think,
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which he probably couldn't
have
done anywhere else.
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It allowed him to sit
in his terrace,
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in the sun, take acid,
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and speed.
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Marianne, I mean,
she used to say,
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I mean, you know,
she was there
to sort of...
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Not pick up the pieces,
but to sort of,
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to hold the man
that had driven himself
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to the Beautiful Losers,
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and writing those
extraordinary pages
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day after day,
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in the sun,
lunatic that he was.
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LEONARD: To find
something that really
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addresses my attention,
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I have to do
a lot of endless versions.
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Anything I can bring to it,
I try everything.
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00:21:17,075 --> 00:21:19,772
Try to ignore it.
Try to address it.
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Try to get high.
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00:21:23,015 --> 00:21:26,645
Try to get intoxicated.
Try to get sober.
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You know? All the versions
of myself
that I can summon
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are summoned to participate
in this workforce.
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So, I try everything.
I'll do anything.
341
00:21:58,350 --> 00:21:59,977
But listen to what
some of the critics
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said about his latest book.
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NEWSREADER: "I have just read
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"Leonard Cohen's new novel
Beautiful Losers
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"and I've had to wash
my mind."
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"This is, among other things,
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00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:14,189
"the most revolting book
ever
written in Canada."
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00:22:15,701 --> 00:22:17,897
"Verbal masturbation.”
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LEONARD: After I finished
Beautiful Losers,
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I thought that I would
go into music.
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I wasn't really making
a living as a writer.
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00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:31,973
It was very hard to support
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and feed the hungry mouths
that I was obliged to do.
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00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,721
So I came back to America
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00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:41,350
and I didn't know what had
been
happening in New York
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and in folk music.
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I was completely unaware
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of people like Phil Ochs,
or Dylan,
or Joan Baez.
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00:22:52,137 --> 00:22:54,071
JUDY COLLINS:
Leonard found me.
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And he came to my apartment.
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00:22:56,808 --> 00:22:58,742
And he came in
and we had some coffee.
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00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:01,905
And I said, "So?"
And he said, "Well,
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"I can't sing.
364
00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:04,882
"And I can't play the guitar.
365
00:23:04,983 --> 00:23:06,951
"And I don't know
if this is a song."
366
00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:09,114
And then he played me...
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00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:17,763
So I said,
"Leonard, that is a song.
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00:23:18,196 --> 00:23:21,131
"That's a song and I have to
record that immediately."
369
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:27,795
So he and I... Of course,
I recorded it right away.
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00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:29,438
We became friends.
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00:23:30,342 --> 00:23:32,037
He was quite clear
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that he never, ever
wanted
to sing in public.
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So about a year went by
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00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:40,751
and Suzanne was
a big song by then.
375
00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:44,783
And I was doing a big
fundraiser in New York
376
00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:47,120
and I said,
"You have to come with me.
377
00:23:47,225 --> 00:23:48,886
"I wanna put you on stage
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00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,122
"and I want you
to sing Suzanne.
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00:23:51,229 --> 00:23:53,721
"Everybody is dying
to hear
you sing this song."
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00:23:53,832 --> 00:23:56,392
He said, "I can't sing.
I have a horrible voice."
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I said, "You don't have
a horrible voice."
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So he came out and he stood
in the middle there
383
00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:04,072
and he began singing the song.
384
00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:06,201
And I knew that he was
shaking like a leaf,
385
00:24:06,311 --> 00:24:09,838
because I had seen him,
seen his hands on the guitar.
386
00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:14,786
In the middle of Suzanne,
he broke down and began to sob
387
00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:16,918
and walked off the stage.
388
00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:20,823
He was dying of fear.
389
00:24:20,926 --> 00:24:23,293
He was having
what we know as a great,
390
00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:27,426
massive attack
of stage fright.
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00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:31,197
So he came off the stage
and I said,
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00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:33,328
"Leonard,
this just will not do.
393
00:24:33,438 --> 00:24:36,100
"You have to go back.
I'll go back with you.
394
00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,035
"And we can do the song
together."
He said...
395
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,111
Finally he said okay.
396
00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:41,737
So meantime,
the whole audience
397
00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:44,009
is continuing to clap and scream
398
00:24:44,115 --> 00:24:46,243
and carry on,
because they'd
gotten a taste.
399
00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:49,416
They could hear him sing.
They knew.
400
00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,890
So we went out together.
He finished the song.
401
00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:56,393
And by the time we finished,
he was a convert.
402
00:24:57,162 --> 00:25:01,326
Total convert
to his own magical
impression.
403
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,500
I would like to introduce
to you,
Mr. Leonard Cohen.
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00:25:38,336 --> 00:25:40,361
COLLINS: It was one of
the most important moments
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00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:43,407
of his life and mine.
406
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:46,344
And of course,
then he was off
to the races.
407
00:25:46,444 --> 00:25:50,210
Columbia signed him up
and it was
his label forever.
408
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:40,224
LEONARD: I remember her
arriving
at the airport.
409
00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:44,027
She had two heavy valises
in each hand.
410
00:26:44,502 --> 00:26:45,992
She couldn't wave to me
411
00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:49,904
because she couldn't
lift the suitcases up,
412
00:26:50,008 --> 00:26:52,136
and she didn't wanna
drop them,
she was moving.
413
00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:54,871
So she waved to me
with her foot.
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00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:58,075
I remember that
very, very clearly.
415
00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:01,648
LAYTON: Yeah, boy.
That was a mistake.
416
00:27:02,253 --> 00:27:04,278
You know and said famously...
417
00:27:04,389 --> 00:27:05,879
You know,
the famous thing...
418
00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:08,483
"I want my woman."
I mean,
that was Leonard, yeah?
419
00:27:08,593 --> 00:27:12,359
“I want my woman and my child
to come to Montreal."
420
00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:15,125
And that was
this wonderful thing.
421
00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:17,930
And of course, the minute
he said it,
he didn't...
422
00:27:18,036 --> 00:27:20,505
He wouldn't have... He didn't
need it anymore.
423
00:27:20,605 --> 00:27:22,937
He needed to say it, but...
424
00:27:23,041 --> 00:27:27,000
And Marianne, who was
deeply
in love with him,
425
00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:29,547
did come
and brought Little Axel.
426
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,083
We always used to call him
Little Axel.
427
00:27:32,183 --> 00:27:34,550
And it was a disaster.
428
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,987
It was very unhappy.
Very unhappy time.
429
00:27:38,089 --> 00:27:40,319
Axel would come
and stay with us.
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00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,226
He used to take a pencil
431
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,592
and pencil his name
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00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:49,565
over every wall
in our apartment.
433
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,194
He'd write,
"Axel, Axel, Axel "
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00:27:52,303 --> 00:27:54,704
That was a very unhappy time.
435
00:27:56,241 --> 00:28:00,337
Poets do not make
great husbands,
do they?
436
00:28:00,445 --> 00:28:01,674
Do you know the poet
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00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:05,610
who's ever made an absolutely
splendid husband?
438
00:28:06,584 --> 00:28:10,418
Or a filmmaker? Or an artist?
439
00:28:11,222 --> 00:28:13,190
No, you can't own them.
440
00:28:13,658 --> 00:28:16,150
You can't even own
a bit of them.
441
00:28:17,062 --> 00:28:20,555
They're just elusive creatures
442
00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:24,336
who are married to their...
443
00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:26,232
To their muse.
444
00:28:26,337 --> 00:28:29,967
That sounds so pretentious
to say that, but it's true.
445
00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:35,146
But the irony is
a man like that
446
00:28:36,114 --> 00:28:37,513
is a man who other...
447
00:28:37,615 --> 00:28:40,380
That every woman wants to have
448
00:28:41,352 --> 00:28:43,013
and can't have.
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00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:49,323
COLLINS: Marianne came up
to me
and she said,
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00:28:49,427 --> 00:28:52,692
"We were very happy
living in Hydra.
451
00:28:52,797 --> 00:28:55,459
"And we were
walking on the beach,
452
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,365
"and we were
swimming in the nude
453
00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,267
"and drinking
a lot of red sena,
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00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:01,236
"and we were very happy.
455
00:29:01,339 --> 00:29:03,535
"And then one day he came
to me and he said,
456
00:29:03,641 --> 00:29:06,508
“Marianne,
I'm going to New York
457
00:29:06,611 --> 00:29:09,546
"to play my songs
for Judy Collins.'
458
00:29:09,647 --> 00:29:11,741
"And you recorded
all of his songs.
459
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:16,510
"And I just wanted to tell you
t
hat you ruined my life."
460
00:29:17,388 --> 00:29:20,585
Certainly,
their dream life in Hydra
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00:29:20,692 --> 00:29:23,718
had a big interruption,
which was that
462
00:29:23,828 --> 00:29:26,593
Leonard discovered himself
as a singer.
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00:29:33,371 --> 00:29:35,271
BROOMFIELD: I took
this picture
of Marianne
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00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:37,808
in the autumn of 1968,
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00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:41,135
when she came to the UK
and contacted me.
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00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,671
She had come to bring
Little Axel
to boarding school
467
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,114
and needed a lift.
468
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,347
We drove down to Suffolk
to Summerhill,
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00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:52,787
the A.S. Neill School,
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00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:55,583
where children didn't
have
to attend class
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00:29:55,693 --> 00:29:57,183
if they didn't want to.
472
00:30:00,598 --> 00:30:02,123
Axel was eight
473
00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:05,203
and I remember how upset
he was
when we drove away.
474
00:30:07,872 --> 00:30:11,172
Axel would write to Marianne
nearly every day.
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00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:23,454
Marianne was in tears, too,
476
00:30:23,755 --> 00:30:25,746
but believed it was
the best thing for him,
477
00:30:25,857 --> 00:30:27,825
because she was
always traveling.
478
00:30:29,794 --> 00:30:31,728
Marianne came
and stayed for a while
479
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,822
in my less than chic squat
in Kentish Town
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00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:36,658
where she took this photo.
481
00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:41,501
She introduced me to the world
of protest movements
482
00:30:41,606 --> 00:30:45,167
and artists using their art
to achieve incredible things.
483
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:48,407
She was close to Julie Felix,
the singer,
484
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,811
an old friend of hers
and Leonard's,
485
00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:53,282
and working with Julie
as her muse,
486
00:30:53,384 --> 00:30:55,580
encouraging her
to write her own songs
487
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,519
for the very first ime.
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00:30:58,823 --> 00:31:01,588
Julie had originally
met Leonard
on Hydra
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00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,593
before either of them
were singers.
490
00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:07,728
Well, I'm very happy and proud
to have him here on the show
491
00:31:07,832 --> 00:31:10,164
and introduce him
to the English public.
492
00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:13,169
Here is the writer, the poet,
the songwriter...
493
00:31:13,271 --> 00:31:15,899
He's a friend, but he says
he's a stranger in this song.
494
00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:18,335
Ladies and gentlemen,
Leonard Cohen.
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00:31:46,671 --> 00:31:48,469
FELIX: Leonard was
always searching.
496
00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:51,940
And this feeling of never
belonging anywhere...
497
00:31:52,277 --> 00:31:54,609
And even in a relationship,
you know,
498
00:31:54,712 --> 00:31:55,702
eventually with Marianne...
499
00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:57,303
I think that was
the longest really.
500
00:31:57,415 --> 00:32:01,181
But after that, he went from
relationship to relationship.
501
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,488
And at the end of the song,
502
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,353
there was a tear in his eye.
503
00:32:07,458 --> 00:32:09,426
He was an emotional man.
504
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:15,366
Yeah, well, at that time,
505
00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:17,434
they were already having
a few problems.
506
00:32:17,902 --> 00:32:19,392
Marianne and I
hung out together
507
00:32:19,504 --> 00:32:22,599
for quite a while
and we became
very close.
508
00:32:23,541 --> 00:32:25,839
And we went on a couple
of trips together,
509
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:29,710
and she was the muse and said,
you know, why don't you write?
510
00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:32,476
And the first song I wrote
was Windy Morning,
511
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:37,248
which was a song that
she kind of
guided me through.
512
00:32:37,355 --> 00:32:39,585
BROOMFIELD: She was
a great muse,
wasn't she?
513
00:32:39,691 --> 00:32:43,218
Absolutely. Absolutely.
And, uh...
514
00:32:43,328 --> 00:32:45,990
I think Leonard honored that,
you know?
515
00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,322
He said that she was,
you know?
516
00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:52,631
When, um...
When he was speaking of her.
517
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:55,603
BROOMFIELD:
But she was so encouraging.
518
00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,608
Yeah, and she was
so nurturing,
you know,
519
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,542
it's, uh...
520
00:33:01,779 --> 00:33:05,238
Yeah. It's, you know...
521
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,307
Woman power.
522
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,352
The ability
to nurture and love and...
523
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:14,856
Encourage, you know?
524
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,886
It's something
the world needs.
525
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:18,019
That's why I think it's good
526
00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:20,661
that we're getting
to women's
time finally,
527
00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:23,025
with all the Time's Up.
528
00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:25,769
And Leonard was a great, uh...
529
00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:29,430
Was a feminist, you know?
530
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:30,905
He really...
531
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:32,738
He said to me once...
532
00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:34,369
Because I was
talking about something,
533
00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,811
he said, "I can't wait
until
women take over."
534
00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:39,815
So that was kind of nice
to hear from him.
535
00:33:52,096 --> 00:33:55,828
JOHN SIMON: Leonard's imagery
came from the poets,
536
00:33:55,933 --> 00:33:59,597
from Shakespeare, from Keats,
from Marlowe.
537
00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:03,898
So I found certain lines
in his guitar playing
538
00:34:04,008 --> 00:34:05,840
that I could enrich.
539
00:34:06,577 --> 00:34:09,569
And I decided not to do it
with instruments,
540
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,877
but to do i t
with female voices,
541
00:34:12,984 --> 00:34:14,748
since so much of his writing
542
00:34:14,852 --> 00:34:18,345
was about his relationships
with women.
543
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:22,483
There was a very female
presence
in all of his songs,
544
00:34:22,593 --> 00:34:23,958
even though he was a man.
545
00:34:25,096 --> 00:34:27,690
So my girlfriend at the time
had a very nice,
546
00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:29,563
pure, soprano voice.
547
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:33,934
And so I started, you know,
fooling around asking her,
548
00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:36,871
"Sing this over
Leonard's song.
549
00:34:36,974 --> 00:34:38,533
"What do you think?"
550
00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:40,536
And some of it
sounded really great.
551
00:34:40,645 --> 00:34:42,807
BROOMFIELD: You can't sort of
imitate it slightly?
552
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:45,042
I'm not a singer,
553
00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:46,878
and I'm not a girl either.
She was singing...
554
00:34:49,153 --> 00:34:51,383
She added a little "...anne"
at the top.
555
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,728
So she sort of aped
what he was doing,
556
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,768
but it gave it
a little harder...
557
00:35:04,869 --> 00:35:06,359
Put a litle harder edge
on it, you know?
558
00:36:15,206 --> 00:36:17,732
The very first time
I met Leonard Cohen,
559
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:19,003
he opened the door
and he's just
560
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:22,944
absolutely naked
as a jay bird, right?
561
00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:26,575
So me, coming out of
where
I come out of, I go,
562
00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:29,654
"This is pretty damn weird,"
you know?
563
00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:31,847
Later, of course,
564
00:36:31,956 --> 00:36:33,924
throughout the time
I spent with Leonard,
565
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:36,824
the years
that we worked together,
566
00:36:37,662 --> 00:36:39,892
when I look back on all that,
567
00:36:39,997 --> 00:36:45,197
and if I'd have been evolved
enough at that moment
568
00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:47,733
it wouldn't have been
weird to
me at all.
569
00:36:48,739 --> 00:36:50,070
All the time I knew Leonard,
570
00:36:50,174 --> 00:36:54,611
he was very,
very conscious of his body.
571
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:57,682
Leonard used to say that
when we're on tour,
572
00:36:57,782 --> 00:37:00,012
we're at the hotel,
573
00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:01,949
"Take all your clothes off."
574
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,887
You're going to be passing by
575
00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:07,959
these things
called mirrors, right?
576
00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:10,818
And when you pass by a mirror,
577
00:37:10,928 --> 00:37:13,192
you're gonna notice
that little,
578
00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:15,629
"Hey, I need to be doing
a few more sit-ups.”
579
00:37:18,102 --> 00:37:21,003
Leonard swam, like,
all the time.
580
00:37:21,672 --> 00:37:23,538
Any hotel we were in,
581
00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:28,010
you would find, if they
had a pool,
he was in it.
582
00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:29,841
And he would get up
early in the morning,
583
00:37:29,947 --> 00:37:32,075
so he didn't have to
run into anybody.
584
00:37:32,183 --> 00:37:34,550
He'd be down there
at 5:00 in the morning
585
00:37:34,652 --> 00:37:36,279
and he'd be doing laps.
586
00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:38,715
And if they would
let him swim nude,
587
00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:40,120
he would swim nude.
588
00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:42,222
I don't know why.
589
00:37:42,793 --> 00:37:44,090
That was just him.
590
00:37:45,796 --> 00:37:47,890
BROOMFIELD: Didn't you write
a song with him?
591
00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:48,966
CORNELIUS: I did. Yeah.
592
00:37:49,066 --> 00:37:50,227
I wrote the Chelsea Hotel
with him.
593
00:37:51,836 --> 00:37:54,237
We boarded an airplane
in LaGuardia
594
00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:56,067
and me and Leonard sat there
595
00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:58,665
and worked on this song.
596
00:38:00,077 --> 00:38:03,536
I'had no idea
who he was talking to
597
00:38:03,648 --> 00:38:05,878
in his writing at the time.
598
00:38:05,983 --> 00:38:10,011
It came out later that it was
to Janis Joplin.
599
00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,987
And, you know, it's like,
600
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:15,582
"I remember you well
at
the Chelsea Hotel.
601
00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:18,587
"Talking so brave
and so sweet,
602
00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:20,562
"giving me head
on the unmade bed,
603
00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:22,690
"while the limousines wait
in the street.”
604
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,097
That's all still there.
605
00:38:24,201 --> 00:38:26,226
Nobody knows that
the second verse was,
606
00:38:26,337 --> 00:38:29,068
"I remember you well
at the Chelsea Hotel
607
00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:32,074
"in the winter of 1967.
608
00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:33,871
"My friends of that year,
609
00:38:33,978 --> 00:38:35,571
"they were all turning queer,
610
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,650
"and me,
I was just getting even."
611
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,667
MOLLESTAD: At that time,
612
00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:15,110
Leonard had some experiences
with Janis Joplin,
613
00:40:15,212 --> 00:40:16,702
all these things.
614
00:40:17,481 --> 00:40:21,213
And Marianne
was living separately
615
00:40:21,318 --> 00:40:23,844
in her apartment
with Little Axel.
616
00:40:24,221 --> 00:40:26,019
That must been
617
00:40:27,491 --> 00:40:28,981
very strange.
618
00:40:30,227 --> 00:40:31,888
But she was still the muse.
619
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,694
And the interesting thing
is that,
620
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:38,835
she has read for me
the telegrams
621
00:40:40,471 --> 00:40:41,802
from Leonard.
622
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:45,001
First telegrams to
623
00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:48,371
"Marianne Cohen,"
624
00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:52,916
was just like
they have been married.
625
00:40:53,484 --> 00:40:55,282
Telegrams going to Hydra
626
00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:57,980
and then to London
and then to New York.
627
00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:01,089
First it's in the period
628
00:41:01,192 --> 00:41:03,456
when they are together
as a couple.
629
00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:05,388
But the beautiful thing is,
630
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,159
when they're not
a couple anymore,
631
00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:10,029
he still sends money,
632
00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:15,838
he's still asking
how Axel is doing,
633
00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:22,471
and so he continues
to send his small
634
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:27,246
love messages,
635
00:41:28,285 --> 00:41:29,946
even if they're not together.
636
00:41:32,923 --> 00:41:36,257
CORNELIUS: Leonard said he was
suffering from depression
637
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,022
that he fought
for so many years.
638
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:44,294
So Leonard decided,
he thought,
well, it'd be
639
00:41:44,401 --> 00:41:48,895
a nice thing for us to do
is
that we blow in...
640
00:41:49,006 --> 00:41:52,408
Say we blew into London
to play
the Royal Albert Hall.
641
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,308
Well, we got
three or four days here,
642
00:41:54,411 --> 00:41:56,505
why don't we, one evening,
go out and play
643
00:41:56,814 --> 00:42:00,011
at a mental institution,
right?
644
00:42:00,117 --> 00:42:02,347
Okay, so of course,
that went over
645
00:42:02,453 --> 00:42:05,047
like a fart
in a diver's helmet
with me,
646
00:42:05,155 --> 00:42:07,249
because I wasn't
about to go
647
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:09,452
out to any...
648
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,427
I was not going. No way.
649
00:42:13,597 --> 00:42:18,091
He said, you know,
"Just go one time."
650
00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:22,161
He said, "If you go one time
and don't wanna play any more,
651
00:42:22,273 --> 00:42:23,434
"any more of these,
652
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,976
"then you don't have
to do it." Right?
653
00:42:26,076 --> 00:42:28,340
So I said, "Okay." So I went.
654
00:42:28,445 --> 00:42:30,243
Well, I'm gonna tell you this.
655
00:42:30,948 --> 00:42:33,280
By the time
that night was over,
656
00:42:35,085 --> 00:42:37,884
you couldn't drive me away
from that idea.
657
00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:41,117
And we ended up playing
alot of 'em.
658
00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:44,991
You know, he had a grandfather
or something like that,
659
00:42:45,095 --> 00:42:48,827
that I think died
in one of those
institutions.
660
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,258
LEONARD:
There are a number of reasons
661
00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:53,894
why I played mental hospitals.
662
00:42:54,004 --> 00:42:55,199
You know, when you play
for somebody
663
00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:58,901
who has really been defeated,
664
00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:02,103
and it was my feeling
that the elements
665
00:43:02,212 --> 00:43:05,307
of this defeat corresponded
with certain elements
666
00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:07,908
that produced my song,
667
00:43:08,018 --> 00:43:10,009
and that there would be
an empathy.
668
00:43:11,188 --> 00:43:12,553
I mean, I feel
that I also have
669
00:43:12,656 --> 00:43:14,590
an empathy
with this experience.
670
00:44:30,434 --> 00:44:32,596
CORNELIUS:
That was a moment in my life
671
00:44:32,703 --> 00:44:34,933
that I would never forget.
672
00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:41,311
And this guy, he stands up
and starts screaming,
673
00:44:41,412 --> 00:44:44,575
you know, to, "Hey,
shut it down.
Stop. Shut it."
674
00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:49,483
Well, we, you know,
being musicians
and being...
675
00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,645
Have played a million shows,
676
00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:54,520
we steamed right on, right?
We're not gonna let that...
677
00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:57,959
Well, no.
This guy shut it down.
678
00:44:58,062 --> 00:44:59,621
He shut it down.
679
00:45:01,165 --> 00:45:03,532
And then,
Leonard finally said,
680
00:45:03,634 --> 00:45:05,693
"Okay, you talk then," right?
681
00:45:06,003 --> 00:45:09,029
So this guy said,
"Look," he said,
682
00:45:09,139 --> 00:45:10,573
"You come in here
683
00:45:12,042 --> 00:45:14,374
"and you got
all these shiny guitars
684
00:45:14,478 --> 00:45:17,641
"and you got
the pretty girls there
685
00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:19,716
"singing background and stuff.
686
00:45:20,017 --> 00:45:21,712
"And everything like..."
He said,
"I wanna know,
687
00:45:22,019 --> 00:45:23,987
"what do you think about me?
688
00:45:24,088 --> 00:45:26,182
"That's what
I wanna know about.
689
00:45:26,757 --> 00:45:30,387
"I wanna know
what you think about me."
690
00:45:33,197 --> 00:45:35,757
You could hear a pin drop
in that place.
691
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,100
And Leonard just walked
past me and Charlie,
692
00:45:40,204 --> 00:45:43,230
walked down the stairs,
walked right out in the crowd
693
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:46,241
and just hugged him like
you wouldn't
have believed.
694
00:45:46,343 --> 00:45:50,075
He almost broke his ribs,
he hugged him that hard.
695
00:46:39,163 --> 00:46:40,289
LEONARD: I came to see you,
because it's...
696
00:46:40,397 --> 00:46:41,694
-You don't sing anymore?
-LEONARD: Pardon?
697
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,198
Qut somewhere?
698
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:44,461
LEONARD:
Well, we go to Geneva.
699
00:46:44,568 --> 00:46:46,297
- No, I mean now.
- Now? No.
700
00:46:46,403 --> 00:46:48,132
- Why are you...
- Qut tonight.
701
00:46:48,238 --> 00:46:49,228
Would you like to listen?
702
00:46:49,339 --> 00:46:51,273
Yes. Yeah.
703
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:54,634
Um, I don't have
any plans, but...
704
00:46:54,745 --> 00:46:55,837
You don't have any place?
705
00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:57,341
No, I don't have any place.
706
00:46:57,447 --> 00:47:01,179
- Do you have somewhere for me?
- Yes, a lot.
707
00:47:01,718 --> 00:47:02,776
Okay.
708
00:47:06,123 --> 00:47:08,421
It's hard to come onto a girl
in front of the camera.
709
00:47:08,525 --> 00:47:10,721
“What?
710
00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:15,265
LEONARD: I was obsessed
by gaining
women's favors
711
00:47:15,365 --> 00:47:17,299
at a certain point in my life.
712
00:47:17,401 --> 00:47:20,427
And, um, way beyond
713
00:47:20,537 --> 00:47:25,373
any reasonable activity.
714
00:47:25,475 --> 00:47:27,443
It became the most
important
thing in my life
715
00:47:27,544 --> 00:47:31,174
and it led me into
very obsessive behavior
716
00:47:31,281 --> 00:47:32,840
and some
very interesting things.
717
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:34,845
And probably most
of the things I learned
718
00:47:35,152 --> 00:47:39,646
about myself and about
other people
were gained
719
00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:43,283
from this period of obsessive,
this blue movie
720
00:47:43,393 --> 00:47:44,827
that I threw myself into.
721
00:47:44,928 --> 00:47:47,556
But we know that blue movies
are not romantic.
722
00:47:53,737 --> 00:47:57,640
BILLY DONOVAN: It was a show.
It was more women than men.
723
00:47:57,741 --> 00:47:59,436
It was like,
you'd look out there
724
00:47:59,543 --> 00:48:03,776
and there was some couples
and it was mostly just women.
725
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:06,248
They read his poetry, right?
726
00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:08,284
And then they see him
sing these songs
727
00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:12,913
and they're all just down
there
crying and all that.
728
00:48:13,223 --> 00:48:14,247
But watching him.
729
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:18,692
There was no problem
with women.
730
00:48:18,795 --> 00:48:20,593
You know,
I'll tell you a funny story.
731
00:48:20,697 --> 00:48:25,635
One day, I'm down in the lobby
in the Mayfair Hotel,
732
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:27,670
and he comes walking in
733
00:48:27,771 --> 00:48:32,299
out of a cab with this really
nice-looking woman.
734
00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:36,539
And they disappear,
come down
a couple hours later
735
00:48:36,647 --> 00:48:39,844
and they're having drinks
in the lobby,
736
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:42,385
this bar there.
737
00:48:42,486 --> 00:48:47,253
And she leaves, and then
he makes a phone call.
738
00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:48,688
About half hour later
he comes back
739
00:48:48,792 --> 00:48:51,693
with a different woman.
And they go up.
740
00:48:51,795 --> 00:48:55,595
They're gone. This is in
one afternoon.
741
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:00,637
How are you?
742
00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:02,899
DONOVAN: He had to have
a woman all the time.
743
00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:07,910
This guy traveled the world.
He knew women and people,
744
00:49:08,011 --> 00:49:12,812
and Paris and London,
and all those places, right?
745
00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:15,408
He'd go, "Oh, well let me just
call so-and-so."
746
00:49:17,688 --> 00:49:20,487
Yeah, there was
no problem there.
747
00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:24,220
In fact, everybody was doing
pretty good, even me.
748
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:26,387
Oh, yeah.
749
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,873
LEONARD:
I had a great appetite
750
00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:47,474
for the company of women
751
00:49:47,617 --> 00:49:51,884
and for the sexual expression
of friendship.
752
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:55,892
And I was very fortunate,
because it was the '60s.
753
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,290
And that possibility
was very,
very present.
754
00:50:02,399 --> 00:50:05,926
And for a tiny moment
in social history,
755
00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:07,834
there was
a tremendous cooperation
756
00:50:07,938 --> 00:50:13,377
between men and women
about
that particular item.
757
00:50:13,477 --> 00:50:17,937
And so, I was very lucky
that
my appetite coincided
758
00:50:18,048 --> 00:50:20,312
with this very rare...
759
00:50:21,651 --> 00:50:23,312
What, religious, social...
760
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:25,013
I don't know
what you'd call it.
761
00:50:25,322 --> 00:50:28,952
Some kind of phenomen on,
you know,
that allowed
762
00:50:29,059 --> 00:50:33,292
men and women, boys and girls,
we were, to come together
763
00:50:33,397 --> 00:50:37,356
in that kind of union that
satisfied
both the appetites.
764
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:15,767
MARIANNE: I felt much more
that Bird on the Wire
765
00:51:15,872 --> 00:51:18,671
had something to do with me,
because I was there.
766
00:51:20,444 --> 00:51:24,904
When you see it in the light
of how it began,
767
00:51:25,015 --> 00:51:28,918
it was when the new
electricity
came to Hydra.
768
00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,049
I gave him a guitar.
We looked out
of the window,
769
00:51:32,155 --> 00:51:35,523
we saw the birds
landing on the wires,
770
00:51:35,625 --> 00:51:38,856
and he had not been able
to create,
or write, or sing,
771
00:51:38,962 --> 00:51:40,452
or do anything for weeks.
772
00:51:40,564 --> 00:51:44,023
And he was in a very,
very deep,
deep depression.
773
00:51:47,604 --> 00:51:51,734
And it also was a period
in my
life where I had to
774
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:56,145
make a decision
that was pretty hard.
775
00:51:58,782 --> 00:52:03,049
And that was following
my intuition
776
00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:08,619
and decided that Leonard and
I
was not going to have
777
00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:10,625
any children together.
778
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:14,797
Yeah.
779
00:52:24,808 --> 00:52:27,539
BROOMFIELD: Marianne came
and
visited me in Cardiff,
780
00:52:27,644 --> 00:52:30,477
where I was a student
living down
by the docks.
781
00:52:31,114 --> 00:52:33,606
I was concerned
she might get bored,
782
00:52:33,717 --> 00:52:37,119
but Marianne was naturally
interested in everyone.
783
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:39,518
She regarded
being receptive and open
784
00:52:39,623 --> 00:52:41,489
as the highest of qualities.
785
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,685
Marianne made friends with
all
the kids in the street
786
00:52:44,794 --> 00:52:47,092
who followed her
around all day.
787
00:52:47,197 --> 00:52:49,859
And she encouraged me
to make
my very first film
788
00:52:49,966 --> 00:52:51,525
on slum clearance,
789
00:52:51,635 --> 00:52:54,605
as the whole community
was being torn down.
790
00:52:55,872 --> 00:52:56,998
Marianne liked to throw
791
00:52:57,107 --> 00:52:59,542
the I Ching every day
and get stoned.
792
00:53:00,510 --> 00:53:02,501
She talked
about Leonard a lot.
793
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:06,674
His favorite salt beef
sandwich
shop in Piccadilly.
794
00:53:06,783 --> 00:53:08,444
His spiritual search,
795
00:53:08,552 --> 00:53:11,453
even dabbling in Scientology
and EST.
796
00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:15,217
Marianne, too, was on her
own spiritual search.
797
00:53:15,525 --> 00:53:17,994
And Leonard was,
in many ways,
her teacher.
798
00:53:18,995 --> 00:53:21,896
One day she asked me
to drive
her to Bath.
799
00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:25,600
She said she was pregnant
with Leonard's child.
800
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:29,635
I think she was pregnant,
801
00:53:29,739 --> 00:53:31,935
but she knew that Leonard
didn't want children
802
00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:34,511
and she had abortions
even though she would have...
803
00:53:34,611 --> 00:53:38,946
If any one should have
had Leonard's children,
804
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:40,483
she deserved to have them.
805
00:53:40,584 --> 00:53:42,678
But she didn't,
for Leonard's sake.
806
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,884
But, you know,
she wanted what I wanted.
807
00:53:47,991 --> 00:53:53,191
She wanted to be with him.
808
00:53:53,296 --> 00:53:57,233
And you cannot be
with Leonard,
809
00:53:59,002 --> 00:54:00,697
in that sense.
810
00:54:02,105 --> 00:54:04,767
Although, you could say
that
I'd rather have one day
811
00:54:04,874 --> 00:54:06,672
or one night with Leonard,
812
00:54:06,776 --> 00:54:08,107
than a lifetime
with somebody else.
813
00:54:08,211 --> 00:54:10,009
That would be easy to say,
814
00:54:10,113 --> 00:54:12,844
but it's not so easy,
you know?
815
00:54:12,949 --> 00:54:15,884
I could have said that
with Irving,
just to be...
816
00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:18,956
I was with Irving
for over 20 years.
817
00:54:19,055 --> 00:54:20,580
Whatever the ups and downs,
818
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,988
how wonderful it was,
and it was.
819
00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:26,791
But most of that time
was anguish.
820
00:54:27,597 --> 00:54:28,587
- You can't...
- Anguish?
821
00:54:28,698 --> 00:54:32,566
Well, you know, was the days
of open marriage,
822
00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:35,104
whatever the hell that was.
And I don't think
823
00:54:35,205 --> 00:54:38,698
it ever was successful
with anybody.
824
00:54:38,808 --> 00:54:42,073
One of the partners
was always jealous,
825
00:54:42,178 --> 00:54:44,943
and angry, and hurt,
and confused.
826
00:54:45,982 --> 00:54:47,609
I don't know any child
who came
out of it
827
00:54:47,717 --> 00:54:49,583
not damaged by that period.
828
00:54:49,686 --> 00:54:51,154
We just wanted to do it all.
829
00:54:51,254 --> 00:54:54,656
Take drugs and fuck around
and do whatever we...
830
00:54:54,758 --> 00:54:58,888
And the children were just...
They came along on the ride.
831
00:54:58,995 --> 00:55:01,327
They didn't wanna come along
on that ride.
832
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,589
BROWN: There are a lot of us
833
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:07,102
who grew up very quickly
on the island.
834
00:55:07,837 --> 00:55:09,771
There was also a lot of acid
on the island.
835
00:55:09,873 --> 00:55:12,035
Like, people were actually
dropping acid
836
00:55:12,142 --> 00:55:13,576
into people's drinks.
837
00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:15,042
And I remember hearing
838
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:19,241
reports of people
having donkeys.
839
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:22,842
They were riding donkeys that,
like, started tripping
840
00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:25,284
and getting into all kinds
of trouble, you know,
841
00:55:25,388 --> 00:55:27,015
and accidents, riding...
842
00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:28,716
BROOMFIELD: They'd give acid
t
o the donkeys?
843
00:55:28,825 --> 00:55:30,315
BROWN: Yeah,
as well as to people.
844
00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:33,961
I got... Someone
put acid in one
of my drinks
845
00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:36,158
when I was about 13.
846
00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:39,065
And I had no idea
what was happening.
847
00:55:40,804 --> 00:55:42,670
Also, a lot
of casualties happened.
848
00:55:42,772 --> 00:55:47,073
I think Marianne
and a lot
of other women
849
00:55:47,177 --> 00:55:50,943
were not as nurturing
to their children, perhaps,
850
00:55:51,047 --> 00:55:54,745
or as present with them
as
they could have been.
851
00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:57,877
Axel was really
a casualty of that.
852
00:55:58,922 --> 00:55:59,946
Marianne was going
853
00:56:00,056 --> 00:56:03,287
from one love,
to another, to another.
854
00:56:03,393 --> 00:56:07,762
And often he wasn't with her.
You know, so who was he with?
855
00:56:07,864 --> 00:56:11,164
And Leonard, you know,
he wasn't Leonard's kid.
856
00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:15,137
He started wearing long,
857
00:56:15,238 --> 00:56:18,264
you know,
flowing Moroccan robes.
858
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,036
And he was silent for years.
859
00:56:20,143 --> 00:56:24,705
And then, later
he became
institutionalized.
860
00:56:24,814 --> 00:56:28,045
But I've always felt very sad
that he's been, you know,
861
00:56:28,151 --> 00:56:31,781
institutionalized for most
of his adult life.
862
00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:38,049
Those who could work
with Hydra
did really well.
863
00:56:38,161 --> 00:56:40,027
And there weren't many,
quite frankly.
864
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:44,363
I saw so many artists who came
and either just
865
00:56:44,467 --> 00:56:47,368
found their creativity just
wasn't strong enough
866
00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:51,873
to sustain them,
or the booze, the sex,
867
00:56:51,975 --> 00:56:54,069
the beauty of the landscape
was all too much
868
00:56:54,177 --> 00:56:55,804
and they just gave up.
869
00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:57,903
But Leonard was one of those
870
00:56:58,014 --> 00:57:00,381
who somehow,
the whole environment,
871
00:57:00,483 --> 00:57:04,010
I think, sort of coalesced
and worked for him
872
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,246
and he worked with it.
873
00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:08,016
still,
we didn't plan it.
874
00:57:50,066 --> 00:57:52,000
GOLDMAN:
He was a real success story.
875
00:57:52,502 --> 00:57:54,766
He really was.
876
00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:57,203
He wasn't damaged by that place,
I think, at all.
877
00:57:58,408 --> 00:58:00,467
Many other people
seemed to come away
878
00:58:00,777 --> 00:58:06,443
from that place
sort of irreparably
damaged.
879
00:58:07,116 --> 00:58:09,414
And it was terrible
on marriages.
880
00:58:09,986 --> 00:58:13,752
Very few marriages
lasted that place,
881
00:58:13,857 --> 00:58:15,052
including my parents.
882
00:58:21,397 --> 00:58:23,195
BROOMFIELD: I remember
Marianne telling me
883
00:58:23,299 --> 00:58:25,859
of the tragedy
of the Johnstons,
884
00:58:25,969 --> 00:58:27,095
the family that Leonard had
885
00:58:27,203 --> 00:58:30,070
originally stayed with
in 1960,
886
00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:32,870
who left the island
after nine years.
887
00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:37,942
GOLDMAN: This family of such
amazing talent and promise,
888
00:58:38,047 --> 00:58:40,914
and they just kind of
all fell to bits
889
00:58:41,017 --> 00:58:42,815
shortly after leaving
the island.
890
00:58:42,919 --> 00:58:44,045
It's my birthday today
891
00:58:44,153 --> 00:58:45,518
and this is
a wonderful homecoming.
892
00:58:45,822 --> 00:58:47,312
And that was a photograph
of family.
893
00:58:47,423 --> 00:58:50,825
One taken on my birthday
last year
on the island.
894
00:58:56,566 --> 00:58:59,126
They always speak Greek
amongst themselves.
895
00:58:59,235 --> 00:59:01,260
I think it comes
more naturally to them.
896
00:59:01,371 --> 00:59:04,932
And they've done all their
schooling in Greece, 10 years.
897
00:59:05,041 --> 00:59:07,942
GOLDMAN: When they left,
almost penniless,
898
00:59:09,345 --> 00:59:12,280
she killed herself,
like,
a couple years later.
899
00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:14,908
He died a year after that,
900
00:59:15,952 --> 00:59:17,351
of tuberculosis, probably,
901
00:59:17,453 --> 00:59:22,118
greatly compounded
by cigarettes
and alcohol.
902
00:59:23,026 --> 00:59:25,051
And then the children
903
00:59:25,161 --> 00:59:28,028
that seemed so,
you know, glorious,
904
00:59:28,131 --> 00:59:30,395
and beautiful, and bright,
and wonderful on the island,
905
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:35,199
they one-by-one died early
of
alcoholism and suicide, drugs.
906
00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:36,534
There's only one that's alive.
907
00:59:41,377 --> 00:59:43,402
GEORGE SLATER:
Numerous other children
908
00:59:43,513 --> 00:59:45,572
from families that have lived on Hydra
909
00:59:45,882 --> 00:59:50,217
have had a hard time
re-entering
the real world.
910
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,090
I think there is a depression
that sets in
911
00:59:54,190 --> 00:59:55,919
if you've spent
any time there.
912
00:59:56,025 --> 00:59:57,959
I've certainly felt it.
913
00:59:58,061 --> 01:00:01,053
There's not a day that goes by
that I don't wake up and wish
914
01:00:01,164 --> 01:00:04,498
that I were there,
you know,
literally.
915
01:00:05,234 --> 01:00:08,602
I never wanted to be any other
place in the world, you know.
916
01:00:10,306 --> 01:00:12,866
It's just the place.
917
01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:16,580
It's just the place, you know?
918
01:00:17,547 --> 01:00:19,242
It gets into your bones.
919
01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:22,381
I don't know
how to describe it,
920
01:00:22,485 --> 01:00:24,647
but it's just the place.
921
01:00:25,455 --> 01:00:28,288
Just stepping off
the boat every time,
922
01:00:28,391 --> 01:00:31,019
it's coming home.
923
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:53,274
CORNELIUS: That was
a very weird,
weird night.
924
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:56,544
There was 660.000 people
out there.
925
01:00:58,688 --> 01:01:00,486
It was a disturbing night.
926
01:01:04,627 --> 01:01:07,358
They even caught
the stage on fire.
927
01:01:07,463 --> 01:01:10,194
Had to put the stage out
before we went on.
928
01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:13,401
Maybe we out to get out
of here, you know?
929
01:01:13,503 --> 01:01:15,232
Somebody's gonna get hurt.
930
01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:20,303
Leonard embraced it.
He got into it.
931
01:01:21,177 --> 01:01:22,645
Like I was saying before,
932
01:01:22,745 --> 01:01:25,009
you either get them
or you don't.
933
01:01:25,415 --> 01:01:26,541
He got them.
934
01:01:32,488 --> 01:01:35,082
LEONARD: Well, I was
on mandrax
at the time.
935
01:01:35,191 --> 01:01:37,683
They used to call me
Captain Mandrax.
936
01:01:38,561 --> 01:01:41,724
I think it had...
It was like
a Quaalude, right?
937
01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:46,229
It was relaxed
beyond any reasonable
state.
938
01:01:47,236 --> 01:01:49,364
I hope she's here, Marianne.
939
01:01:49,739 --> 01:01:52,208
I hope she's here.
Maybe she's here.
940
01:01:55,044 --> 01:01:56,239
I hope she's here.
941
01:01:57,547 --> 01:01:58,708
Marianne.
942
01:02:52,835 --> 01:02:56,294
CORNELIUS:
And Marianne was one woman
943
01:02:57,306 --> 01:03:01,573
that didn't seem to me
all starstruck
over Leonard.
944
01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:06,407
Kind of held her own,
put it that way,
you know?
945
01:03:08,851 --> 01:03:12,481
She would join us some times
for a week at a time,
946
01:03:12,588 --> 01:03:15,353
or maybe ten days at a time
and be gone.
947
01:03:15,758 --> 01:03:19,717
There was other ladies
that Leonard
had on tour,
948
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:24,232
but when Marianne was in town,
he was out of the picture.
949
01:03:25,101 --> 01:03:27,195
She carried with her
a different feel
950
01:03:27,303 --> 01:03:31,331
than any woman that I ever saw
around Leonard.
951
01:03:40,616 --> 01:03:45,520
There was a need
for such a connection
952
01:03:45,621 --> 01:03:47,783
between Leonard
and his audience
953
01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:50,518
that would actually have
blown your mind.
954
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:54,195
One night,
he had so many people
955
01:03:54,297 --> 01:03:55,787
come up on stage with him
956
01:03:56,766 --> 01:04:00,361
that it was
like this big love-in
957
01:04:00,469 --> 01:04:02,665
right in the middle of
our concert.
958
01:04:08,311 --> 01:04:11,679
Like a pile of people
making love
959
01:04:11,781 --> 01:04:13,408
without taking
their clothes off,
960
01:04:13,516 --> 01:04:16,508
but if we could have
stuck around
a while longer,
961
01:04:16,619 --> 01:04:18,713
who knows
what would have happened.
962
01:04:26,896 --> 01:04:29,490
Can you imagine,
we're playing
in Amsterdam
963
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,660
and he invites
the entire audience
964
01:04:33,502 --> 01:04:36,233
to come home with us
to his hotel.
965
01:04:37,506 --> 01:04:38,632
And they did it.
966
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:46,842
We took a lot of acid
on those trips.
A lot.
967
01:04:47,850 --> 01:04:49,909
Leonard had a buddy in London.
968
01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:52,654
And he had a thing
called Desert Dust.
969
01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:56,555
And if you took a needle
970
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,728
and touched it to your tongue,
971
01:04:59,829 --> 01:05:02,662
and the tiniest little speck
972
01:05:02,765 --> 01:05:06,702
that you could pick up with
that needle on your tongue...
973
01:05:06,869 --> 01:05:07,859
Gone.
974
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:12,498
I mean, gone for 14 hours
with no re-entry.
975
01:05:12,842 --> 01:05:14,207
None.
976
01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:19,413
One time we took that damn
Desert Dust 23 nights in a row
977
01:05:19,515 --> 01:05:21,643
playing the Royal Albert Hall,
978
01:05:21,751 --> 01:05:23,310
and the Vienna Opera House
979
01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:25,581
and all the fine places
on the...
980
01:05:25,688 --> 01:05:28,316
We were...
I mean, I gotta tell you,
981
01:05:28,424 --> 01:05:31,655
there's no way
I could ever even
survive
982
01:05:31,761 --> 01:05:33,695
one of those nights
at this point.
983
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:35,895
LEONARD:
Trying to see my text here.
984
01:05:36,399 --> 01:05:37,457
Hey.
985
01:05:37,566 --> 01:05:39,364
Hey!
986
01:05:40,503 --> 01:05:42,494
WOMAN: That's what you
got on you, baby.
987
01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:47,402
MAN: This is the way
it's gotta be done.
988
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:48,500
LEONARD: Think that stuff
still works?
989
01:05:48,611 --> 01:05:49,601
MAN: I don't know.
990
01:05:49,845 --> 01:05:52,940
Il be in serious trouble
if it works
or doesn't work.
991
01:05:54,550 --> 01:05:55,779
CORNELIUS:
Leonard used to say,
992
01:05:55,885 --> 01:05:58,354
"You have to be in the zone."
993
01:05:59,322 --> 01:06:00,756
Well, we stayed in the zone.
994
01:06:01,457 --> 01:06:02,481
A lot of people
would think like,
995
01:06:02,591 --> 01:06:04,582
"Well, if you burn it down
really strong
996
01:06:04,694 --> 01:06:05,991
"tonight, tomorrow morning,
997
01:06:06,295 --> 01:06:08,320
"you got that hang over
and all that
kind of..."
998
01:06:08,431 --> 01:06:10,661
Uh-uh. We stayed in the zone.
999
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,767
Day after day after day.
1000
01:06:14,503 --> 01:06:18,269
There was only one night
we were
playing in Jerusalem,
1001
01:06:18,374 --> 01:06:20,365
when he wasn't getting them.
1002
01:06:21,944 --> 01:06:24,504
Now look, uh,
if it doesn't
get any better,
1003
01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:29,281
well just end the concert
and
I'll refund your money.
1004
01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:34,252
Some nights,
one is raised
off the ground
1005
01:06:34,724 --> 01:06:36,021
and some nights,
1006
01:06:36,459 --> 01:06:38,518
you just can't get off
the ground.
1007
01:06:38,627 --> 01:06:40,618
And there's no point
in lying about it.
1008
01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:43,728
And tonight, we just haven't
been
getting off the ground.
1009
01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:45,733
DONOVAN: So anyway,
we're backstage
1010
01:06:46,402 --> 01:06:48,268
and we're going,
"Well, what's gonna happen?"
1011
01:06:48,371 --> 01:06:51,534
And Marty Machat, his manager
is trying to talk to him.
1012
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,438
And Leonard's
just zinging, right?
1013
01:06:53,542 --> 01:06:54,600
I knew that.
1014
01:06:55,378 --> 01:06:56,345
And, uh...
1015
01:06:56,445 --> 01:06:57,640
BROOMFIELD:
How do you mean, "zinging"?
1016
01:06:57,747 --> 01:06:59,738
I mean, like, on LSD.
1017
01:06:59,982 --> 01:07:03,646
Like his eyes are blacked out,
like they get, right?
1018
01:07:06,689 --> 01:07:07,884
And, uh, he's just feeling...
1019
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:11,483
And so all of a sudden,
he says to me...
1020
01:07:11,594 --> 01:07:14,723
He goes, "Billy,
can you get me a razor?"
1021
01:07:15,464 --> 01:07:17,956
I said, "Leonard, what are you
gonna do? Cut your throat?"
1022
01:07:18,067 --> 01:07:21,037
And he says,
“No, I think if I shave,
1023
01:07:21,337 --> 01:07:22,998
“I might be able
to go back out."
1024
01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,038
MAN: And you got... This is
the last
concert, you know?
1025
01:07:26,342 --> 01:07:27,832
This is something you have
to do
and then bang...
1026
01:07:27,943 --> 01:07:29,707
Oh, I know what I have to do.
I have to shave.
1027
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:34,080
What a life.
What a life.
1028
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:39,386
Oh, this is wonderful.
1029
01:07:39,488 --> 01:07:41,081
Why didn't you tell me
about this?
1030
01:07:47,530 --> 01:07:48,588
DONOVAN:
So that's what he did.
1031
01:07:48,697 --> 01:07:50,028
He shaved...
1032
01:07:50,132 --> 01:07:54,660
Dry shaved almost with just
some water.
1033
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:56,397
And then he went back
out there
1034
01:07:56,505 --> 01:07:58,599
with a big rash on his face
1035
01:07:58,707 --> 01:08:00,334
and finished the show.
1036
01:08:00,443 --> 01:08:02,844
At least you gotta fry it,
man.
It's wonderful.
1037
01:08:05,381 --> 01:08:06,439
Oh, yeah.
1038
01:08:08,417 --> 01:08:09,509
Oh, this is really great.
1039
01:08:31,707 --> 01:08:33,766
CORNELIUS: Everybody was
shooting from the hip, right?
1040
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:37,637
Not welded to anything.
1041
01:08:38,914 --> 01:08:43,112
The idea was that, tonight,
we will play this song
1042
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,680
better than we did
last night.
1043
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:48,086
And tomorrow night,
1044
01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,625
we're gonna play it better
than we did tonight.
1045
01:08:57,099 --> 01:08:58,828
CORNELIUS:
There was only one night...
1046
01:08:58,934 --> 01:09:00,868
One night that I felt like...
1047
01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:04,907
That I let things
get away from me.
1048
01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:10,646
And I actually went
for this
beautiful chord.
1049
01:09:10,746 --> 01:09:12,077
It was
an F-sharp minor seventh.
1050
01:09:12,181 --> 01:09:16,448
I think in the song
called Suzanne.
1051
01:09:16,785 --> 01:09:18,879
And as I went for that chord,
1052
01:09:19,889 --> 01:09:23,189
I actually landed on my face,
on the ground
1053
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:25,119
on the stage right there.
1054
01:09:25,227 --> 01:09:27,992
And Leonard turned around
and looked at me like,
1055
01:09:28,097 --> 01:09:29,155
"Okay, all right.
1056
01:09:29,465 --> 01:09:32,457
"We need to now start backing
off the mandrax," right?
1057
01:09:36,472 --> 01:09:38,770
BROOMFIELD:
Marianne and I kept in touch
1058
01:09:38,874 --> 01:09:40,740
during the '70s and '80s
1059
01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:43,141
with the occasional postcard
and letter.
1060
01:09:43,946 --> 01:09:45,778
I was delighted
when she suggested
1061
01:09:45,881 --> 01:09:47,440
we might work together.
1062
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:49,780
And we talked
about various ideas.
1063
01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:53,652
Marianne was increasingly
concerned about Axel.
1064
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:57,490
He'd been on a trip to India
and taken too many drugs.
1065
01:09:57,927 --> 01:10:00,123
She was upset
with Little Axel's father,
1066
01:10:00,229 --> 01:10:01,719
who had encouraged him.
1067
01:10:02,198 --> 01:10:05,463
Axel was now living
i n an institution
in Oslo,
1068
01:10:06,068 --> 01:10:08,833
and Marianne was spending
more and more time with him.
1069
01:10:09,638 --> 01:10:11,470
Marianne had still been
following Leonard
1070
01:10:11,574 --> 01:10:12,803
on his travels.
1071
01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:14,069
And very infrequently,
1072
01:10:14,176 --> 01:10:16,645
they still shared the house
together on Hydra.
1073
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,479
Apparently, Leonard was now
1074
01:10:19,582 --> 01:10:21,175
living part of the year
in Montreal,
1075
01:10:21,283 --> 01:10:23,513
with a woman called Suzanne.
1076
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,088
JUDY SCOTT: I've read
three of his
biographies
1077
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:28,520
and I've always been surprised
1078
01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:31,491
that they, sort of,
partition it as,
like,
1079
01:10:31,594 --> 01:10:34,495
"Okay, here was Marianne.
And then that was over.
1080
01:10:34,597 --> 01:10:35,996
"And then
he took up with Suzanne."
1081
01:10:36,098 --> 01:10:37,497
But in fact, there was
1082
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,001
a considerable
overlap of time
1083
01:10:40,102 --> 01:10:43,197
where he supported
both families.
1084
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:47,737
LAYTON: He said that
when he was
with her and Axel
1085
01:10:47,843 --> 01:10:49,106
in that house on Hydra,
1086
01:10:49,211 --> 01:10:50,838
he felt that's where
he belonged.
1087
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,183
But when he was with Suzanne
and the baby in Montreal,
1088
01:10:55,284 --> 01:10:57,082
he felt
that's where he belonged.
1089
01:10:57,853 --> 01:10:59,719
And so he was confused.
1090
01:11:00,956 --> 01:11:04,688
Suzanne, she was much more
visceral in a way,
1091
01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:07,756
and 14 years younger
than him.
1092
01:11:09,031 --> 01:11:09,998
So I guess there was
1093
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:11,863
a whole bunch of
different things
1094
01:11:11,967 --> 01:11:17,167
that conspired
to make it come to an end.
1095
01:11:19,642 --> 01:11:22,577
You needed somebody
like Suzanne
who was...
1096
01:11:23,212 --> 01:11:25,977
Well, the word "ruthless"
is just the word
1097
01:11:27,349 --> 01:11:28,783
that comes to mind.
1098
01:11:28,884 --> 01:11:31,649
And she did
what she wanted to do
1099
01:11:31,754 --> 01:11:36,555
to bind Leonard to her
by any means.
1100
01:11:36,659 --> 01:11:37,922
To use
the Black Panther theme,
1101
01:11:38,027 --> 01:11:40,655
"By any means necessary."
1102
01:11:40,863 --> 01:11:43,332
And boy, did she do...
1103
01:11:43,632 --> 01:11:46,966
And she knew exactly
what to do
and when to do it.
1104
01:11:48,103 --> 01:11:51,038
It was like
falling into a spider's web.
1105
01:11:51,740 --> 01:11:52,730
And there was something...
1106
01:11:52,841 --> 01:11:54,900
There's always something
terribly
fascinating
1107
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:56,239
about the spider.
1108
01:11:56,912 --> 01:11:58,778
Very fascinating.
1109
01:11:59,682 --> 01:12:03,016
And I think
Leonard just fell into that
1110
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:05,753
‘cause it was so fascinating.
1111
01:12:07,256 --> 01:12:09,190
I don't even know
what drove
that whole thing,
1112
01:12:09,291 --> 01:12:10,281
but he knew...
1113
01:12:10,392 --> 01:12:11,689
He knew he was...
1114
01:12:11,794 --> 01:12:13,193
As Irving would say,
1115
01:12:13,295 --> 01:12:15,093
"Make sure you're doing
the wrong thing."
1116
01:12:15,197 --> 01:12:19,031
Boy, did he make sure he did
the wrong thing with Suzanne.
1117
01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:54,196
CORNELIUS: I think
Leonard's
quest in life
1118
01:12:54,303 --> 01:12:57,637
overrode the normal,
you know,
settling down
1119
01:12:57,740 --> 01:13:00,232
and having a home,
and a family,
1120
01:13:00,342 --> 01:13:01,935
and all that stuff.
1121
01:13:02,044 --> 01:13:04,376
Leonard always had
that feeling
1122
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,081
that he was after something
1123
01:13:07,182 --> 01:13:09,947
that he couldn't get
his hands around.
1124
01:13:11,186 --> 01:13:13,018
The only thing about his...
I don't know what he...
1125
01:13:13,122 --> 01:13:16,114
I don't think he knew
w hat he was
chasing, you know?
1126
01:13:16,892 --> 01:13:19,361
I don't think he really knew.
1127
01:13:19,828 --> 01:13:24,163
And that made it,
probably darker,
you know?
1128
01:13:24,266 --> 01:13:27,099
He lived in darkness
1129
01:13:27,903 --> 01:13:30,167
because he'd disappear
for six weeks sometimes.
1130
01:13:30,272 --> 01:13:32,798
I wouldn't know
how to find
him or nothing.
1131
01:13:32,908 --> 01:13:34,433
Nobody would, you know?
1132
01:13:34,743 --> 01:13:38,680
And it was all
a deep, deep depression.
1133
01:13:48,123 --> 01:13:49,318
JOHN LISSAUER:
When we toured Europe,
1134
01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:50,824
and when we toured Germany
1135
01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:53,691
I've never seen so many
blondes
in one audience.
1136
01:13:54,363 --> 01:13:55,728
He was the poet for
1137
01:13:55,831 --> 01:13:58,732
the quasi-depressed women
of his era.
1138
01:13:59,034 --> 01:14:00,229
People who were
going through issues,
1139
01:14:00,335 --> 01:14:02,861
they'd come up sobbing,
"You saved my life.
1140
01:14:02,971 --> 01:14:04,234
"I was in such a dark place.
1141
01:14:04,339 --> 01:14:06,706
"And your darkness
led me out of it."
1142
01:14:07,009 --> 01:14:08,408
LEONARD: Thank you so much.
1143
01:14:09,845 --> 01:14:12,837
He had his thing
that he projected.
1144
01:14:13,148 --> 01:14:15,242
He had his black suit.
1145
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:17,819
He had his look
of seriousness.
1146
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,752
And you never saw his humor.
1147
01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:22,085
He was a really funny guy,
1148
01:14:22,191 --> 01:14:24,785
but when he was on stage, it was dark,
1149
01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:28,124
and it was lonely,
and it was desperate.
1150
01:14:29,398 --> 01:14:30,797
And it's about those
who would, uh,
1151
01:14:30,899 --> 01:14:35,063
sacrifice one generation
on behalf
of another.
1152
01:15:03,432 --> 01:15:08,336
LISSAUER: I wanted to frame
each of the songs
1153
01:15:08,437 --> 01:15:12,305
like a little vignette.
1154
01:15:12,407 --> 01:15:14,239
They all had these places
of mind.
1155
01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,072
So I was giving them...
1156
01:15:16,178 --> 01:15:17,771
We were using
unusual instruments.
1157
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,370
We'd use
a couple of muted trombones
1158
01:15:19,481 --> 01:15:20,971
to take it somewhere
1159
01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:24,348
or very icy strings
1160
01:15:24,853 --> 01:15:30,189
and dark, shimmering things
to make these little movies.
1161
01:15:30,926 --> 01:15:32,360
And we came back,
and we were
ready to do
1162
01:15:32,461 --> 01:15:33,929
another couple of weeks
in the studio.
1163
01:15:34,029 --> 01:15:37,192
And he said, "I'm gonna go
to
Hydra for a little bit.
1164
01:15:37,299 --> 01:15:39,791
"As soon as I get back,
we'll finish it."
1165
01:15:41,136 --> 01:15:46,267
And I didn't hear from him
for seven years.
1166
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:57,412
It turns out, Marty Machat,
1167
01:15:57,519 --> 01:16:01,012
who was Leonard's manager
also managed Phil Spector.
1168
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:05,390
And he had made a deal
for Phil
with Warner Bros.
1169
01:16:05,494 --> 01:16:08,862
that got them both
a huge advance.
1170
01:16:09,464 --> 01:16:10,522
A really huge advance.
1171
01:16:10,632 --> 01:16:12,122
For the '70s,
it was unheard of.
1172
01:16:12,935 --> 01:16:14,334
So what had happened,
1173
01:16:14,436 --> 01:16:16,165
Marty called up Leonard
and just said,
1174
01:16:16,271 --> 01:16:17,329
"Forget the record with John.
1175
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:18,531
"We'll put that
on the back burner.
1176
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,165
"We want you to do a record
with Phil Spector.
1177
01:16:20,275 --> 01:16:22,209
"He's really famous.
It make you a hit."
1178
01:16:22,311 --> 01:16:26,248
And of course he made
Death of A Ladies Man
1179
01:16:27,115 --> 01:16:31,916
which, you know,
is not his best work.
1180
01:16:34,656 --> 01:16:37,091
LEONARD: That happened
at a curious
time in my life
1181
01:16:37,192 --> 01:16:39,627
because I was
at a very low point.
1182
01:16:39,928 --> 01:16:41,896
My family was breaking up.
1183
01:16:41,997 --> 01:16:43,260
I was living in Los Angeles,
1184
01:16:43,365 --> 01:16:45,390
which was a foreign city
to me.
1185
01:16:46,401 --> 01:16:48,460
I'd lost control of, as I say,
1186
01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:53,474
of my family
and my work and my life.
1187
01:16:53,575 --> 01:16:56,010
And it was
a very, very dark period.
1188
01:16:56,478 --> 01:16:59,277
And when he got
into the studio,
1189
01:16:59,381 --> 01:17:01,543
it was clear
that he was eccentric,
1190
01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:03,345
but I didn't know that he was mad.
1191
01:17:04,686 --> 01:17:06,950
The atmosphere
was one of guns.
1192
01:17:07,055 --> 01:17:10,150
I mean, that's really what was
going on, was guns.
1193
01:17:10,525 --> 01:17:12,653
The music was a subsidiary.
1194
01:17:13,161 --> 01:17:14,322
They were armed to the teeth.
1195
01:17:14,429 --> 01:17:16,659
All his friends,
his bodyguards,
you know?
1196
01:17:17,032 --> 01:17:18,397
And everybody was drunk.
1197
01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:21,402
So, you know, I mean, you were
tripping over bullets.
1198
01:17:21,503 --> 01:17:25,235
You were biting into revolvers
in your hamburger.
1199
01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:27,604
I mean,
Phil was beyond control.
1200
01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:33,079
I remember Phil, you know,
shoved a revolver into my neck
1201
01:17:33,181 --> 01:17:35,673
and said, you know,
"Leonard, I love you."
1202
01:17:36,418 --> 01:17:38,216
And I said,
"I hope you do, Phil."
1203
01:17:46,361 --> 01:17:48,955
I think that if anybody,
you know,
1204
01:17:49,064 --> 01:17:51,499
disappointed the project,
it was me.
1205
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,399
I didn't have the chops
to sing those songs.
1206
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:59,173
I think a song like Memories
is a really dynamite tune.
1207
01:17:59,274 --> 01:18:01,436
I think the tune is great,
the lyric is touching,
1208
01:18:01,543 --> 01:18:06,140
and it really does come out
of
that high school gymnasium.
1209
01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:42,506
MARIANNE: One day, Suzanne,
with Little Adam,
1210
01:18:43,185 --> 01:18:46,177
the same age as my son
when I came
back to Hydra,
1211
01:18:46,288 --> 01:18:47,756
was standing on the doorway,
1212
01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:52,658
wondering
when I was moving out
1213
01:18:52,761 --> 01:18:54,354
so she could move in.
1214
01:18:57,265 --> 01:18:58,755
I remember that
1215
01:19:00,435 --> 01:19:05,430
seeing her, I somehow felt
a little bit taller,
1216
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:08,532
a little bit stronger,
a little bit older
1217
01:19:08,643 --> 01:19:10,168
and a little bit wiser.
1218
01:19:11,813 --> 01:19:14,714
I got hold of something when
I saw her there with the baby.
1219
01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:17,784
And then I, very calmly,
1220
01:19:18,086 --> 01:19:20,555
packed up, took Axel
1221
01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:22,587
and moved out.
1222
01:19:26,628 --> 01:19:29,097
Yeah, so that was...
1223
01:19:29,197 --> 01:19:31,256
Marianne finally decided
that enough was enough
1224
01:19:31,366 --> 01:19:33,198
and she did have to
come back to Oslo.
1225
01:19:33,301 --> 01:19:35,770
And her mother had always
wanted her to come.
1226
01:19:36,071 --> 01:19:38,062
Wanted her to come here
and have a normal life.
1227
01:19:38,607 --> 01:19:41,542
Become a secretary,
receptionist,
1228
01:19:41,643 --> 01:19:44,340
or something like that
and be normal.
1229
01:19:44,579 --> 01:19:46,047
So Marianne
had finally decided,
1230
01:19:46,148 --> 01:19:47,582
"Yeah,
that's what I'm gonna do."
1231
01:19:47,682 --> 01:19:51,346
So she came back up here,
became a secretary,
1232
01:19:51,453 --> 01:19:54,821
married a Norwegian man,
1233
01:19:55,123 --> 01:19:57,558
and became the stepmother
to his children.
1234
01:19:57,659 --> 01:20:00,321
Had a very average,
ordinary life.
1235
01:20:01,096 --> 01:20:03,258
And then every once in a while
s
he would go back to Hydra,
1236
01:20:03,365 --> 01:20:04,491
visit her friends.
1237
01:20:14,543 --> 01:20:16,841
LISSAUER: Out of the blue...
And I told you I was...
1238
01:20:17,145 --> 01:20:20,479
I'd done Rebecca and never
heard
from Leonard again.
1239
01:20:20,582 --> 01:20:22,141
I thought,
"Well, I did something.
1240
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:23,684
"What did I...
I did something."
1241
01:20:24,686 --> 01:20:26,780
He calls up and, uh,
"Hey, man. How you doing?"
1242
01:20:27,622 --> 01:20:28,589
1984.
1243
01:20:29,558 --> 01:20:30,753
"Wanna make a record?"
1244
01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:34,652
I'm saying,
"Yeah, I've been waiting.
1245
01:20:34,763 --> 01:20:36,253
"Waiting for this phone call."
1246
01:20:36,665 --> 01:20:38,099
So we went in the studio
1247
01:20:38,733 --> 01:20:41,259
and we did Hallelujah
fairly early.
1248
01:20:41,369 --> 01:20:42,666
And he played it for me
and it went...
1249
01:20:45,707 --> 01:20:49,871
He had just bought
a little
Casio synthesizer
1250
01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:52,579
on 7th Avenue and 49th Street.
One of these...
1251
01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:55,480
one finger things.
1252
01:20:55,584 --> 01:20:57,109
And he fell in love with it.
1253
01:20:57,452 --> 01:20:59,887
He said, "I wanna record this,
use it for the track."
1254
01:21:00,522 --> 01:21:01,887
So we put it down that way.
1255
01:21:03,458 --> 01:21:05,859
We're saying, "Holy crap, man.
This
is really good.
1256
01:21:06,161 --> 01:21:07,822
"We've done something here."
1257
01:21:08,463 --> 01:21:10,761
Leonard was just grinning.
1258
01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:11,833
Even Marty,
1259
01:21:11,933 --> 01:21:13,901
who was reluctant to like
anything
I was involved in,
1260
01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:16,296
just said, "This is it."
1261
01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:20,269
We bring him up to Columbia.
1262
01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:22,776
There's a new guy
named Walter Yetnikoff.
1263
01:21:23,545 --> 01:21:24,808
This was his first big thing.
1264
01:21:25,547 --> 01:21:26,514
He listened and he says,
1265
01:21:26,615 --> 01:21:28,310
"No, I don't like this
a tall"
1266
01:21:28,416 --> 01:21:30,180
And there's a famous quote,
you know,
1267
01:21:30,285 --> 01:21:31,377
"Leonard, I know you're great,
1268
01:21:31,486 --> 01:21:32,920
"but I don't know
if you're any good."
1269
01:21:33,221 --> 01:21:34,313
Something like that.
1270
01:21:34,422 --> 01:21:37,255
And he says,
"We're not gonna release it."
1271
01:21:37,626 --> 01:21:40,391
And Marty then later says,
1272
01:21:40,495 --> 01:21:43,362
“John, I knew it.
You ruined
Leonard's career.
1273
01:21:43,765 --> 01:21:46,359
"You have ruined...
This is an unreleasable record.
1274
01:21:46,468 --> 01:21:48,368
"It's the biggest
disappointment
in our lives.
1275
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:50,336
"I can't believe
you did this
to Leonard."
1276
01:21:50,438 --> 01:21:52,702
And he had loved it
earlier
in the day, but...
1277
01:21:52,807 --> 01:21:55,208
And I'm saying,
"Well, what do you mean?"
1278
01:21:55,777 --> 01:21:58,371
He said, "No, they hate it.
They're not gonna release it."
1279
01:22:00,282 --> 01:22:02,273
At which point,
he ceremoniously
1280
01:22:02,384 --> 01:22:04,546
threw my contract
in the garbage.
1281
01:22:04,653 --> 01:22:06,178
I never got to sign it.
1282
01:22:06,288 --> 01:22:07,278
And he said,
1283
01:22:07,389 --> 01:22:10,359
"And you're not gonna be
working
for Columbia anymore."
1284
01:22:10,458 --> 01:22:11,425
There was
a couple other artists
1285
01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:13,392
I was supposed to work with.
And I was just...
1286
01:22:13,495 --> 01:22:15,759
That was it. I was done.
1287
01:22:16,831 --> 01:22:18,560
In the morning,
we thought we had this
1288
01:22:18,667 --> 01:22:20,692
greatest of all
Leonard Cohen records.
1289
01:22:20,802 --> 01:22:22,736
And by the afternoon,
I was out of the business.
1290
01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:27,503
It was the end of the world.
1291
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:31,709
That's when the whole
Mt. Baldy
thing happened.
1292
01:22:32,681 --> 01:22:35,616
That's a huge phase
in Leonard's life.
1293
01:22:36,885 --> 01:22:37,875
I didn't see him.
1294
01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:39,249
I got out of
the record business
1295
01:22:39,354 --> 01:22:42,881
essentially because of how
this record went down.
1296
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:07,642
LISSAUER: This record was
monumentally important.
1297
01:23:07,749 --> 01:23:09,740
It was the anthem of anthems.
1298
01:23:11,486 --> 01:23:13,580
But to this day,
I've yet to see
any royalties.
1299
01:23:23,031 --> 01:23:25,864
GOLDMAN: I think that through
all of this searching
1300
01:23:25,967 --> 01:23:27,696
and searching for herself
1301
01:23:27,802 --> 01:23:29,827
and for her identity through
1302
01:23:29,938 --> 01:23:32,635
all those years on Hydra
and other places,
1303
01:23:33,608 --> 01:23:35,440
and having had, you know,
1304
01:23:35,543 --> 01:23:37,341
the first husband
who was the writer
1305
01:23:37,445 --> 01:23:40,278
and the second husband
who was
the writer and singer,
1306
01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:42,814
and never really knowing
who she was,
1307
01:23:42,917 --> 01:23:46,012
except in comparison to them,
somehow in relation to them.
1308
01:23:46,621 --> 01:23:48,680
I think
it took coming back here
1309
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:50,656
for her
to really find herself.
1310
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,485
She was a really nice person.
1311
01:23:53,595 --> 01:23:56,064
Very kind. And very generous.
1312
01:23:57,399 --> 01:23:59,390
She really listened to you
when you talked.
1313
01:23:59,501 --> 01:24:01,367
Not a lot of people do that.
1314
01:24:02,037 --> 01:24:03,630
Most people
when they're
talking to you,
1315
01:24:03,738 --> 01:24:04,705
they're just kind of waiting
1316
01:24:04,806 --> 01:24:07,366
ill they can say
their next line,
you know?
1317
01:24:07,609 --> 01:24:10,340
But she was really interested
and she really listened,
1318
01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:11,412
and she really
thought about it.
1319
01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:14,380
She was a very generous
and kind person.
1320
01:24:19,587 --> 01:24:22,386
BROOMFIELD: I hadn't
visited
Hydra for 40 years.
1321
01:24:22,757 --> 01:24:24,555
It had changed
from the wondrous place
1322
01:24:24,659 --> 01:24:26,718
you could live
on a thousand
dollars a year,
1323
01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:29,320
to the playground
of the very rich.
1324
01:24:33,802 --> 01:24:37,397
One of the only survivors
of the
old Hydra is Don Lowe,
1325
01:24:37,505 --> 01:24:39,735
who lives up this path
in this house
1326
01:24:39,841 --> 01:24:41,969
without electricity
or running water.
1327
01:24:42,844 --> 01:24:45,370
Don prefers candles
and has a well.
1328
01:24:46,748 --> 01:24:49,911
Marianne introduced me to Don
in 1968.
1329
01:24:50,552 --> 01:24:53,522
He has since self-published
over 30 books.
1330
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:58,025
Oh, there you are.
1331
01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:03,929
Don has lived on Hydra
for 60 years.
1332
01:25:04,532 --> 01:25:07,900
The last time he left
the island
was 25 years ago.
1333
01:25:08,503 --> 01:25:10,471
LOWE: I made this for my...
1334
01:25:10,572 --> 01:25:11,664
I didn't wanna get stuck
1335
01:25:11,773 --> 01:25:13,605
and then
got no where to live, you see.
1336
01:25:14,943 --> 01:25:15,933
BROOMFIELD:
Wow, it's beautiful.
1337
01:25:16,044 --> 01:25:18,138
I's nice, you see?
Dug it out.
1338
01:25:18,713 --> 01:25:20,511
BROOMFIELD: Did one of
your children
do that?
1339
01:25:20,615 --> 01:25:21,605
LOWE: No, I did that.
1340
01:25:21,716 --> 01:25:23,616
BROOMFIELD: You did that?
It's beautiful.
1341
01:25:23,718 --> 01:25:25,743
LOWE: That's my idea
of paradise.
1342
01:25:25,854 --> 01:25:28,846
You can cook here
and you can
write a book here,
1343
01:25:28,957 --> 01:25:30,686
if you are that way, inclined.
1344
01:25:30,792 --> 01:25:35,662
It's got a view of the sea
and next door.
1345
01:25:35,763 --> 01:25:38,391
This is where
Marianne was gonna stay,
1346
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:39,763
in the house there.
1347
01:25:40,502 --> 01:25:42,027
BROOMFIELD: Marianne was gonna
stay where in the house?
1348
01:25:42,137 --> 01:25:45,437
LOWE: Just there.
You can see
it through there.
1349
01:25:46,741 --> 01:25:48,937
She was very nice
at the end, Marianne,
1350
01:25:49,043 --> 01:25:51,978
because she mellowed
and, you know...
1351
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,606
Because it was never easy
after Leonard...
1352
01:25:55,049 --> 01:25:56,949
Because every time he gave
a concert or something,
1353
01:25:57,051 --> 01:25:58,883
she'd get caught up in it.
1354
01:26:01,222 --> 01:26:04,783
Every time he gave a concert,
she had an invitation.
1355
01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:07,123
And she was interviewed
in Norway
1356
01:26:07,228 --> 01:26:09,959
and things like that
and so she couldn't really...
1357
01:26:10,064 --> 01:26:12,726
She married
a lovely guy afterwards,
1358
01:26:12,834 --> 01:26:14,859
divorced him,
and married him again.
1359
01:26:15,637 --> 01:26:18,868
And, Jan, a very sweet man.
Norwegian.
1360
01:26:21,476 --> 01:26:25,504
Yeah, I got quite fond of her
at the end, Marianne.
1361
01:26:25,613 --> 01:26:29,777
Even when we were younger,
we lived around way.
1362
01:26:30,818 --> 01:26:33,617
But near the end,
she became very close.
1363
01:26:34,556 --> 01:26:35,546
Mmm-hmm.
1364
01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:03,814
LEONARD: I had some
wonderful
moments on the road.
1365
01:27:03,918 --> 01:27:05,613
You know,
traveling with musicians
1366
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,654
and playing with musicians.
1367
01:27:07,755 --> 01:27:10,622
But by and large,
I didn't have
what it took
1368
01:27:10,725 --> 01:27:15,526
to really enjoy my success,
or my celebrity.
1369
01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:17,029
I was never able to locate it.
1370
01:27:17,131 --> 01:27:19,225
I was never able to use it.
1371
01:27:23,538 --> 01:27:24,801
Well, that's beautiful, huh?
1372
01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:27,807
CORNELIUS: Doing what he did
up there,
came natural to him
1373
01:27:27,909 --> 01:27:30,003
because of his discipline.
1374
01:27:30,111 --> 01:27:33,911
He became a servant
for years
and years there.
1375
01:27:34,015 --> 01:27:36,916
He had to get up at,
like,
3:00 in the morning.
1376
01:27:37,018 --> 01:27:39,783
Some of the things he told me
that they did up there,
1377
01:27:39,887 --> 01:27:41,855
I don't know if I could have
hung with that.
1378
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:44,087
- You're a small?
- Yeah.
1379
01:27:44,192 --> 01:27:45,751
- Your black bag?
- Yeah.
1380
01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:47,259
Uh, brown bag?
What did I do with it?
1381
01:27:47,562 --> 01:27:49,656
I just saw...
Oh, in here, Roshi.
In here.
1382
01:27:50,031 --> 01:27:51,021
In here.
1383
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:57,196
- Your handbag?
- Yeah.
1384
01:27:57,305 --> 01:27:58,636
- It's still in car?
- Yeah.
1385
01:27:58,740 --> 01:27:59,901
Okay.
1386
01:28:01,876 --> 01:28:03,002
You want to eat something,
Roshi?
1387
01:28:03,111 --> 01:28:04,579
- Huh?
- You want to eat something?
1388
01:28:05,213 --> 01:28:06,738
Yeah, now wait.
1389
01:28:07,115 --> 01:28:08,207
Oh, okay. Okay.
1390
01:28:09,284 --> 01:28:12,117
LISSAUER: Roshi was
h is spiritual advisor,
1391
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:14,814
his Buddhist monk leader.
1392
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:16,785
He centered him.
1393
01:28:16,891 --> 01:28:21,021
It was like having mom and dad
watching you if you think
1394
01:28:21,129 --> 01:28:25,066
because you're likely
to be
tempted to stray.
1395
01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:27,292
I think it was his crutch.
1396
01:28:27,935 --> 01:28:31,599
And it also probably increased
his focus and concentration.
1397
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:35,165
LEONARD: I'm trying to learn
some things about love.
1398
01:28:39,113 --> 01:28:41,047
Well, love is that activity
1399
01:28:43,217 --> 01:28:46,050
that makes the power
of man and woman
1400
01:28:47,722 --> 01:28:50,987
that incorporates into your own heart,
1401
01:28:51,859 --> 01:28:54,191
where you can embody
man and woman,
1402
01:28:54,295 --> 01:28:57,094
when you can embody
Hell and Heaven,
1403
01:28:57,198 --> 01:28:59,895
when you can reconcile
and contain,
1404
01:29:00,001 --> 01:29:02,868
when man and woman becomes your content.
1405
01:29:04,072 --> 01:29:06,097
In other words,
when your woman
1406
01:29:06,207 --> 01:29:07,936
becomes your own content
1407
01:29:08,943 --> 01:29:12,607
and you become her content,
that's love.
1408
01:29:14,148 --> 01:29:18,381
And you recognize the full
equality of that exchange
1409
01:29:18,686 --> 01:29:20,711
because if
she's smaller than you,
1410
01:29:20,822 --> 01:29:22,187
she can't fill you.
1411
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:26,352
And if you're larger than her,
you can'tfill her, you know?
1412
01:29:26,661 --> 01:29:28,095
So there has to be
an understanding
1413
01:29:28,196 --> 01:29:32,030
that there really is an
absolute
equality of power.
1414
01:29:32,133 --> 01:29:33,999
Different kinds of power.
1415
01:29:34,102 --> 01:29:35,968
Obviously,
different kinds of magic,
1416
01:29:36,437 --> 01:29:40,374
different kinds of strength,
different kinds of movement
1417
01:29:40,675 --> 01:29:43,167
that's as different
as night and day.
1418
01:29:43,678 --> 01:29:44,839
And it is night and day.
1419
01:29:44,946 --> 01:29:46,971
And it is
the moon and the sun.
1420
01:29:47,081 --> 01:29:48,913
And it is the land and the sea.
1421
01:29:49,016 --> 01:29:50,245
And it is plus and minus,
1422
01:29:50,351 --> 01:29:51,716
itis Heaven and Hell.
1423
01:29:51,819 --> 01:29:53,150
It is all those antonyms.
1424
01:29:53,254 --> 01:29:55,052
But they're all equal.
1425
01:29:56,958 --> 01:29:59,427
I have experienced it.
I have experienced it.
1426
01:29:59,727 --> 01:30:01,092
You don't have to change
the world.
1427
01:30:01,195 --> 01:30:03,323
There's not gonna be
any revolutions.
1428
01:30:15,877 --> 01:30:17,868
CORNELIUS: I'm sure
that everybody a
lready knows
1429
01:30:17,979 --> 01:30:21,176
about all that transpired
along the way
1430
01:30:21,282 --> 01:30:23,080
when he came back
down off the mountain.
1431
01:30:23,184 --> 01:30:25,118
He had no money, you know?
1432
01:30:25,353 --> 01:30:29,051
Because this person
that he had trusted...
1433
01:30:29,157 --> 01:30:30,886
A person that he would have
1434
01:30:30,992 --> 01:30:33,324
taken a bullet for, so to speak...
1435
01:30:33,961 --> 01:30:35,122
What he told me...
1436
01:30:36,030 --> 01:30:38,965
That he spent holidays
with her children
1437
01:30:39,066 --> 01:30:43,799
and his children,
had absolutely
sold him out.
1438
01:30:44,172 --> 01:30:46,937
And that it turned out
1439
01:30:47,041 --> 01:30:51,308
that a friendship tha t
he thought
was the real deal,
1440
01:30:51,746 --> 01:30:54,340
ended up
being a really bad thing.
1441
01:30:56,484 --> 01:30:59,249
LEONARD: Well, the money
seems
to be gone. Uh...
1442
01:30:59,921 --> 01:31:02,982
As far as the manager,
1443
01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:05,218
you know,
who was my dear friend,
1444
01:31:07,361 --> 01:31:09,159
I'm still rather fond of her.
1445
01:31:09,464 --> 01:31:14,300
But she, um...
There's been a judgment of
1446
01:31:16,037 --> 01:31:17,971
several million dollars
a gainst her.
1447
01:31:18,306 --> 01:31:20,832
But, uh, you know...
Well, that's...
1448
01:31:21,375 --> 01:31:23,844
She doesn't seem
to have any money to...
1449
01:31:23,945 --> 01:31:25,242
It's impossible to collect it.
1450
01:31:25,346 --> 01:31:27,906
I don't know. I guess I should
be more worried than I am,
1451
01:31:28,015 --> 01:31:29,346
but I'm not.
1452
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:32,215
So what can I say,
you know?
1453
01:31:41,963 --> 01:31:44,091
CORNELIUS: All of a sudden, here he is.
1454
01:31:44,866 --> 01:31:49,428
He's now in his 70s
and he has
no money now.
1455
01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:52,405
He said to me, "All I can do
1456
01:31:52,507 --> 01:31:55,909
"is get out there and tour
and try
to make some money."
1457
01:31:56,811 --> 01:31:59,109
He said, "I don't know
if can do
it or not."
1458
01:31:59,213 --> 01:32:05,118
It's been a long time since
I stood on a stage in London.
1459
01:32:09,323 --> 01:32:13,885
Was about 14 or 15 years ago.
1460
01:32:13,995 --> 01:32:17,192
I was 60 years old,
1461
01:32:17,298 --> 01:32:19,266
just a kid with a crazy dream.
1462
01:32:22,436 --> 01:32:24,837
LISSAUER: Suddenly Leonard was
the hottest ticket in town
1463
01:32:24,939 --> 01:32:26,907
and went
from our little tour bus
1464
01:32:27,008 --> 01:32:30,239
with two sound engineers
and three roadies
1465
01:32:30,344 --> 01:32:33,405
to an entourage of 59 people
on his own jet.
1466
01:32:46,427 --> 01:32:47,519
LISSAUER: And he was making
1467
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upwards of $15 million
every year.
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One of the top 10
grossing acts.
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He went from
l iterally being wiped out
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to incredible stardom.
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MOLLESTAD:
It was a love story
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which had the 50 chapters
without being together.
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She had a compartment of her heart
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which was always married
to Leonard.
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That's the beauty of
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Marianne's and Leonard's
history.
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That they had this place
for each other
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fill the very end.
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And it's not the bitter end.
It was a lovely end.
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It's a very beautiful end.
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Suddenly, one evening,
I got an SMS saying,
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"I'm at hospital.
I'm going to die.
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"Please take care of
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“Little Axel and Jan,
my husband."
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She asked me,
"Could you tell Leonard?"
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And another thing
s he said was,
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"Could you bring a camera?
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"Because I still feel I have
something to say."
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And in the morning,
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there was this lovely letter
from Leonard to Marianne.
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MOLLESTAD: "Dearest Marianne.
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"I'm just a little behind you.
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"Close enough
to take your hand.
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"This old body of mine
has given up
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"as yours has, too.
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"I've never forgotten
your love
and your beauty,
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"but you know that.
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"I don't have to say more.
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"Safe travels, old friend.
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"See you down the road.
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"Endless love and gratitude,
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"your Leonard."
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And the beautiful thing
was that
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this old, sick man
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reached his old, sick lover
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with the message
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that she had always
wanted to hear.
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And I think that, uh,
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for Marianne, this was a ring
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that started with leaving Oslo
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and going into the adventure
with Axel,
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and meeting Leonard,
losing Leonard,
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meeting Jan,
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having problems,
of course, with her son.
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And then, when this
love letter
came from Leonard,
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I think she felt
that it was
all completed.
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So, uh,
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that's what
words of love can do.
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LEONARD:
Greece is a good place
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to look at the moon, isn't it?
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You can read by moonlight.
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You can read on the terrace.
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You can see a face as you
saw
it when you were young.
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It was good light then.
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Oil lamps and candles,
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and those little lames
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that floated on a cork
in olive ail.
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What I loved in my old life,
I haven't forgotten.
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It lives in my spine.
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Marianne and the child,
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the days of kindness.
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It rises in my spine
and it
manifests as tears.
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I pray that loving memory
exists for them, too.
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The precious ones I overthrew
for an education in the world.
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