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Our candidate for president,
Charles Lindbergh.
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CHARLES LINDBERGH:
The Jewish people are pushing
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the United States
into this new war.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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HERMAN LEVIN:
Lindbergh wants to be
another little Hitler himself.
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This is my country!
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BESS LEVIN: Not anymore!
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It's their country.
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♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪
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We only think we're American.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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announcer: The following
is a presentation
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of HBO Sports.
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Good afternoon.
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Let me be very, very clear.
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I have never discussed
with Christian Dawkins
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paying Deandre Ayton to attend
the University of Arizona.
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In fact, I never even met
or spoke to Christian Dawkins
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until after Deandre
publicly announced
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that he was coming
to our school.
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Any reporting to the contrary
is inaccurate,
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false, and defamatory.
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- I'm very proud
of everything I've done
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as LSU's head coach,
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and I'm very proud of what
we've done at LSU.
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And I--or we have never,
ever, um...
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done business of any kind with,
uh--with Christian Dawkins.
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- I have never
been interviewed
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about this subject.
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- At this point, yes.
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I am a convicted felon.
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It is very weird for me to say
that I'm a convicted felon,
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especially over basketball.
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- I don't even wanna
tell my story
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as much as I wanna tell
the bigger story,
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in my opinion.
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It's a ridiculous story.
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Everyone went into it
with the right intention.
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Did it get completely
fucked up?
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I mean, it got fucked up to...
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I mean, I...
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Beyond my imagination,
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and I have a pretty big
imagination.
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- Did I do anything wrong?
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Um...
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- A shot fired
across the bough
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of college basketball.
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- Ten men, including
four assistant coaches
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at top-tier programs,
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arrested
on corruption charges.
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- This is absolutely gonna
change the very landscape
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of college basketball.
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- Christian Dawkins
is a sketchy character,
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wannabe agent.
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Nobody trusts anybody
right now.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- 'Cause nobody knows
where this is going.
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- I mean, basketball,
up to this point,
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has been my whole life.
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I've been around it probably--
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like, really knowing
what it was,
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probably since five years old.
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And as far as I can remember,
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basketball's always
pretty much been
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one of the most important
things in my life.
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- I've known Christian Dawkins
probably about 15 years.
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First met him
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when he was around
probably 10 or 11 years old.
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He was part of a legacy family
in Michigan,
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the Dawkins family,
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and the Dawkins' name
has always been synonymous
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in Michigan with basketball.
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- We always pretty much
been a basketball family.
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My dad was a high school
basketball coach
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where I grew up at.
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- Born and raised
in Saginaw, Michigan...
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Uh, the number one city
in the United States
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for high school basketball.
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- Please.
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- Began coaching in '96
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at the number one high school
in the country,
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Saginaw High School.
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- He led
the Saginaw High Trojans
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to back-to-back championships.
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And from that point on,
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I think his place in Michigan
high school basketball history
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was pretty well-established.
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- He played a pretty big role
in the community.
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I would think that most people
would know me via him,
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or because of--
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our whole family,
people would know
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because of his reputation
in the community.
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- One thing I didn't do--
and she can quote me on this--
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I didn't push my sons
or my daughter
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to play basketball.
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I gave them the opportunity
to decide...
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- Which sport--
which sport to choose.
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It just so happened
that, you know,
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I was pretty good coming up
in Saginaw, playing, myself.
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So I had a little bit
of legendary status
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behind my name as well.
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So my sons
and my daughter said--
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they had to prove to me
that they were better than me,
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better than their dad.
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And so they took the initiative
and played basketball.
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Is that correct?
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- I don't know that
that's all true...
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- But I'll--I'll go with it.
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- This was the gym that
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I spent most of
my young adult life at.
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We spent the summers,
every day here,
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after school, every day.
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Yeah, when I was growing up,
I wanted to be, like,
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a NBA All-Star.
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I think everyone
has those dreams.
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7th, 8th, and 9th grade,
I think I'm the shit.
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I think I'm good, okay?
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- Christian was good,
but Christian was stubborn.
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I would give him things to do
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out there
on the basketball court,
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and he would take it
upon himself
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to change the routine.
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- I didn't make varsity
my freshmen year; I made JV.
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'Cause even though
he was my dad,
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he still didn't play me.
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Like, it wasn't, like,
a nepotism situation at all.
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JV, I was one of the best
players on the team.
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I still think I'm the shit.
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In my head,
I'm going to the NBA.
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First-round pick.
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Varsity practice,
the first year, sophomore year,
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we had Draymond Green,
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and we had probably--
I don't know--
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a couple more
of the Division I players.
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That first practice
is when I realized
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I should probably start,
you know,
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looking into other avenues.
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- My child has always
been different.
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- Chris is very intelligent.
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When we would go on recruiting
tournaments, trips,
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instead of him reading
just sports magazines,
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he's reading
business magazines, you know,
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which I thought was
kind of odd.
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- I was young.
I was probably ten.
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I started to be more
intrigued or curious
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about what was going on outside
of just a basketball game
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and what was going on
around the sport.
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I think the pivotal moment
was when I was in--
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I don't know--5th, 6th grade.
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I read the book
"Sole Influence."
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I remember being in class,
reading the book.
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- Late 1990s, I was covering
the growing world of AAU
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and basketball
and talent camps.
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Nike and Adidas were having
what they called
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the "shoe war"
over these players,
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and it was kind of a new--
that was a new concept
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at the time
of what was going on.
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There was clearly
this world of sports
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that had incredible influence
over how basketball,
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both college and pro,
were being played.
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- "Sole Influence"
is the best book
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and most accurate book
I've ever read
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as far as on the money
about the shit that goes on
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in grassroots basketball
and in college recruiting.
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It was real.
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My mind was shaped
to a certain way
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to understand that early.
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Like, "Okay,
this is how this works."
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People come into Saginaw,
they coming to get something.
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It's the talent.
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And the people that was
coming to get them
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was usually rich white people--
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white coaches, white agents,
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white, you know,
business managers,
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white sneaker reps--
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whatever the case may be.
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Yeah, I'm not knocking nobody,
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but I just understood the value
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of the African American
athlete,
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and that's why books like
"Sole Influence"
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resonated so much with me.
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When I read that book,
I'm like,
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"This is what I wanna do."
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- Christian's always had
this business mind.
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When he was 11, I remember,
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we were sitting on the porch,
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and I kept getting mail.
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And it would be addressed
to Christian,
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but when I would open it--
'cause I'm thinking,
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"Who is he getting--"
and it would---
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it was random people.
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Open it up,
and then I would find checks.
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So we called Christian in,
and we're talking to him.
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He goes, "Oh, yeah.
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That's for my company."
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I'm like,
"What co--what company, buddy?"
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- So
"Best of the Best Scouting"
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was the name
of the publication I started,
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and it was a scouting service
for the top players
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in the state of Michigan
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and also had some coverage
in the Midwest.
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I knew everybody
in Michigan basketball
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'cause of my dad.
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Everybody who was anybody
came through that gym.
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I would go and, you know,
try to make my notes
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and scout as much as I thought
I could at that point.
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- It was very detailed,
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almost in
a frightening manner,
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on who the top
middle school players were
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in the state of Michigan.
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People were signing up,
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and nobody knew
who this guy was
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that was rating and ranking
these players.
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- I think I charged coaches
around 600 bucks.
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College coaches.
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- Division I
basketball coaches
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were paying $600
for this website
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this 12-year-old made
in his basement.
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The funniest thing was,
he ranked himself.
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- I did rank myself.
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I mean, it was times
I ranked myself one.
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That was bad.
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- And he actually had
listed himself as 6'2"
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when he was, like, 14 or 15.
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He's, like, 5'10" now.
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- I probably shouldn't have
done that.
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- You know, a lot of
the triggers for Christian
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was growing up realizing
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how important basketball was
in his household.
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And, you know,
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you win back-to-back
state championships,
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you have a little brother
that is, you know,
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revered as being one
of the next great players.
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- Dorian still, to this day,
is the best friend I've had.
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I was 2 years,
2 1/2 years older than him.
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He was the best player on our
varsity team in middle school.
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He didn't play with us,
but when he practiced,
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he was the best player.
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He got invited to every elite
camp you can get invited to.
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He was getting letters
from UCLA
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and stuff in middle school.
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So he was already in the mix.
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- So we went to Toledo.
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It was--I think it was called
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the Toledo Michigan-Ohio
Border Battle.
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And DD was 14.
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And we were playing against
All Ohio Red
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and I think All Ohio Red
at the time
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had won the last three
AAU national titles.
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I think Dorian had, like,
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40 points and 12 assists.
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Probably 9 or 10 rebounds.
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I'm like, "Wow, this boy's
gonna be special."
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So they ended up beating
All Ohio Red.
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And All Ohio Red coach came up
to me after the game,
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and he was like,
"Coach, I saw you over there,
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cheering on the side,"
you know.
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"What college is that young kid
going to?"
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- And I said,
"Man, that boy is about to be
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a ninth grader in high school."
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He's like,
"You gotta be kidding me."
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And I was like,
"No, listen, man.
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He just turned 14.
That's my son."
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And about a month later,
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we had a tournament.
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I saw the same AAU coach
on the--on the elevator.
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He was like, "Hey, Coach.
How your son doing?"
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I said,
"Man, you won't believe."
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I said, "Man, he died
a couple weeks ago."
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And, uh...
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- He died at a camp,
playing basketball.
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He was playing with us.
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I was going to my senior year.
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He was going to his
freshman year.
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He was by far our best player.
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My dad wasn't coaching
that game
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because he was in a wedding.
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So just his assistant
was with us,
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and none--neither one of
my parents were with us.
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It was a regular day.
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He played well, and then, um...
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he got fouled
going to the rim.
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He's at the free-throw line.
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He looks at me, he goes,
"Brother, I'm so tired."
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I'm just thinking it's like,
"Okay," like, you know--
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you know, no big deal,
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and he collapsed.
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I'm thinking he had--
he's having a seizure.
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And then, um...
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He, um...
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They were, like,
operating on him
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in the--in the hospital room,
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and, um,
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at that point, he had
had a heart attack already.
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They were trying to,
like, revive him
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to the point where
he could function again.
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And once they, you know,
induced him,
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he just never woke back up.
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- He had a heart condition.
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And...
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No one--no one knew.
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- He had a rare heart disease
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where, like,
his artery essentially
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wasn't strong enough
305
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to maintain
the blood flow in his heart.
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He essentially had
a over--oversized heart.
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There is not a day that
goes by that I don't, like--
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I don't think about him
in some way.
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Dorian was a better athlete.
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I mean, he was--he was--
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he was the one.
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He was gonna be the next star
from Saginaw,
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had he--had he lived.
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Listen, man.
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Faith is a funny thing, right?
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Like...
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Part of the whole idea is,
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"Believe in what
you don't really know."
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Because there's no answer
that anyone could give me
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that would make me be like,
"Okay, I'm cool with it."
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00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:02,104
So I had to just understand
that I didn't understand...
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And try to make a positive
out of a negative.
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00:15:10,354 --> 00:15:11,938
So when my brother
passed away,
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I wanted to do something
in his memory.
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I planned a high school
basketball tournament...
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In conjunction with
the American Heart Association
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to try to raise money
for heart disease.
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00:15:26,688 --> 00:15:27,771
And then
the rest of the money,
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we used to fund
the travel team that we had,
330
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which was originally
called Team Pride,
331
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and when Dorian passed away,
we switched to become--
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the name to become
Dorian's Pride.
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00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:42,438
My role for--
with Dorian's Pride,
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I was essentially
the general manager,
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so to speak.
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I was probably 16.
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I essentially gained
the sponsorship deals,
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raised the money,
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00:15:52,479 --> 00:15:54,855
picked all the coaches
or other administrators,
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00:15:54,938 --> 00:15:56,771
picked the tournaments
we played in,
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00:15:56,855 --> 00:15:58,312
recruited most of the players.
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00:15:58,396 --> 00:15:59,813
If there was
a top-level player,
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I pretty much recruited them
to the program.
344
00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:04,980
- Christian,
he had an eye for talent,
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00:16:05,062 --> 00:16:06,604
but more importantly,
he would work.
346
00:16:06,688 --> 00:16:08,813
Christian would just make sure
he went to all the games.
347
00:16:08,896 --> 00:16:10,104
He would go to the practices.
348
00:16:10,187 --> 00:16:12,855
He would find a way
to connect with family members.
349
00:16:12,938 --> 00:16:13,938
And he was beating out
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00:16:14,021 --> 00:16:16,312
a lot of the top
Nike and Adidas guys
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for some of the top talent
in Michigan.
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00:16:17,896 --> 00:16:20,771
- And he took a...
353
00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:23,688
a very good team
and turned them into
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00:16:23,771 --> 00:16:26,479
one of the top five
AAU programs in the country.
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00:16:26,563 --> 00:16:27,980
- At the age of, like, 17,
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00:16:28,062 --> 00:16:30,438
he got Under Armour
to sponsor the team,
357
00:16:30,521 --> 00:16:32,438
and it was the only
Under Armour-sponsored team,
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at that time, in the Midwest.
359
00:16:34,396 --> 00:16:36,479
To this day,
nobody understands or knows
360
00:16:36,563 --> 00:16:39,187
how he was able to secure
an Under Armour shoe deal.
361
00:16:46,104 --> 00:16:47,646
- It's marketing.
362
00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:50,771
If you're Nike and you're
trying to launch a new shoe
363
00:16:50,855 --> 00:16:54,354
and you need it to get
some level of visibility on it
364
00:16:54,438 --> 00:16:57,396
or some level
of recognition for it,
365
00:16:57,479 --> 00:17:00,855
what's the best way
to get that shoe out
366
00:17:00,938 --> 00:17:04,146
or get that shoe some exposure
in Saginaw, Michigan?
367
00:17:04,229 --> 00:17:05,354
You put it on
the high school team,
368
00:17:05,438 --> 00:17:06,563
the high school players.
369
00:17:06,646 --> 00:17:08,855
How else would
Saginaw, Michigan know about
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00:17:08,938 --> 00:17:10,938
a Nike--a new Nike shoe?
371
00:17:11,521 --> 00:17:14,354
If I'm outfitting
Zion Williamson
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00:17:14,438 --> 00:17:17,855
in South Carolina
with all Adidas or all Nike,
373
00:17:17,938 --> 00:17:20,813
pretty sure kids in that area
are gonna buy
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00:17:20,896 --> 00:17:23,563
Nikes and Adidas because
he's gonna be the most popular,
375
00:17:23,646 --> 00:17:26,104
most visible person
in the community.
376
00:17:27,646 --> 00:17:30,396
By the end, we was--
we was over six figures.
377
00:17:30,479 --> 00:17:32,813
Between sneaker sponsors
378
00:17:32,896 --> 00:17:36,229
and local people to sponsor it
through events,
379
00:17:36,312 --> 00:17:38,730
we were definitely
over $100,000.
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00:17:38,813 --> 00:17:41,563
- And he built
strong relationships,
381
00:17:41,646 --> 00:17:43,396
not just with
the shoe companies,
382
00:17:43,479 --> 00:17:44,771
but college coaches.
383
00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:47,730
- That, at a very young age,
put him in a position
384
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to where he had some power
with the college coaches,
385
00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:51,563
because now he had a lot
of the top players
386
00:17:51,646 --> 00:17:52,688
on his AAU team.
387
00:17:52,771 --> 00:17:54,938
And that's when I think
he got people's attention
388
00:17:55,021 --> 00:17:57,646
in the basketball world--
not just the AAU world,
389
00:17:57,730 --> 00:18:00,396
but also
the college basketball world.
390
00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:03,730
- At this point,
I've already got a shoe deal.
391
00:18:03,813 --> 00:18:05,104
I've already got money.
392
00:18:05,187 --> 00:18:07,396
It makes no sense to me
to go to school.
393
00:18:07,479 --> 00:18:09,104
I knew what I wanted to do.
394
00:18:09,187 --> 00:18:11,438
My first job
in the basketball business,
395
00:18:11,521 --> 00:18:13,730
I got hired
as the manager and director
396
00:18:13,813 --> 00:18:16,271
for a financial services
company.
397
00:18:16,354 --> 00:18:19,354
And my first year there,
I signed two first-round picks.
398
00:18:20,438 --> 00:18:25,271
- The Philadelphia 76ers
select Elfrid Payton
399
00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:29,229
from the University
of Louisiana at Lafayette.
400
00:18:29,855 --> 00:18:32,146
- I ended up signing
Elfrid Payton and Rodney Hood.
401
00:18:34,563 --> 00:18:36,438
Things went wrong
when I wanted to work
402
00:18:36,521 --> 00:18:38,438
on the agent side
of the business.
403
00:18:38,521 --> 00:18:40,062
As I had some success,
404
00:18:40,146 --> 00:18:43,938
other agencies approached me
to come work for their firms,
405
00:18:44,021 --> 00:18:46,271
and I decided to go
with Andy Miller.
406
00:18:46,354 --> 00:18:49,646
Andy Miller is one of the best
agents that's ever lived.
407
00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:50,980
Andy's definitely negotiated
408
00:18:51,062 --> 00:18:52,479
over a billion dollars
in contracts,
409
00:18:52,563 --> 00:18:56,521
and he definitely has had
dozens of first-round picks.
410
00:18:56,604 --> 00:18:58,229
- Andy Miller is, you know,
411
00:18:58,312 --> 00:18:59,771
one of the top agents
in basketball.
412
00:18:59,855 --> 00:19:01,646
He's a guy that, you know,
413
00:19:01,730 --> 00:19:05,646
had built a pretty impressive
agency at ASM.
414
00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:07,980
- Andy just offered me--
he recruited me.
415
00:19:08,062 --> 00:19:09,855
He wanted to hire me.
416
00:19:09,938 --> 00:19:11,813
Andy was giving me more money.
417
00:19:11,896 --> 00:19:14,312
So it was a business
situation, and it was a--
418
00:19:14,396 --> 00:19:17,771
I thought a situation that
can further my career more.
419
00:19:20,563 --> 00:19:22,187
- We--I was just
a agent there.
420
00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:28,396
- Yeah, a agent, junior agent,
421
00:19:28,479 --> 00:19:30,187
whatever you wanna call it.
422
00:19:30,271 --> 00:19:32,688
- No, Christian at ASM
was a runner, you know.
423
00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,646
He was the guy
that was out recruiting.
424
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:36,479
He was a relationship guy.
425
00:19:36,563 --> 00:19:38,855
- I did agent duties.
426
00:19:38,938 --> 00:19:41,688
I did deals for players.
I ran the pre-draft.
427
00:19:41,771 --> 00:19:42,730
Like, what does that mean?
428
00:19:42,813 --> 00:19:44,813
If you ask Andy,
who employed me,
429
00:19:44,896 --> 00:19:47,354
he wouldn't have said, "Oh,
yeah, Christian's my runner."
430
00:19:47,438 --> 00:19:49,021
Like, what does that even mean?
431
00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,730
- I mean, a runner is a generic
term used in the industry
432
00:19:51,813 --> 00:19:55,062
for one that goes out
and runs around and recruits.
433
00:19:55,146 --> 00:19:57,396
He would, you know,
meet with the families.
434
00:19:57,479 --> 00:19:58,855
He'd go to the AAU tournaments.
435
00:19:58,938 --> 00:20:01,146
He would help manage
the players
436
00:20:01,229 --> 00:20:03,312
once they were secured
by the agency.
437
00:20:03,396 --> 00:20:04,855
- I recruited the clients.
438
00:20:04,938 --> 00:20:07,688
I prepared materials
for recruiting meetings.
439
00:20:07,771 --> 00:20:10,938
I did all the updates.
I did the work.
440
00:20:11,021 --> 00:20:12,688
- He was sort of, you know--
441
00:20:12,771 --> 00:20:14,730
a manager, I guess, would be
a nice way of calling it,
442
00:20:14,813 --> 00:20:17,229
but a runner's probably
the more appropriate term
443
00:20:17,312 --> 00:20:18,396
in the industry.
444
00:20:18,479 --> 00:20:20,229
- Andy wasn't like,
445
00:20:20,312 --> 00:20:22,730
"Oh, just go get some players
and then--"
446
00:20:22,813 --> 00:20:24,229
No, it was,
447
00:20:24,312 --> 00:20:26,271
"I'm training you
to be an agent."
448
00:20:36,312 --> 00:20:39,187
I love Andy Miller to death,
449
00:20:39,271 --> 00:20:41,896
but we were like
Whitney and Bobby.
450
00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:43,771
We shouldn't have
been together.
451
00:20:43,855 --> 00:20:45,521
- Christian's value
to Andy Miller was--
452
00:20:45,604 --> 00:20:47,229
was, you know, irreplaceable.
453
00:20:47,312 --> 00:20:49,229
You couldn't put
a value on it, you know?
454
00:20:49,312 --> 00:20:50,563
Christian was able
to do all things
455
00:20:50,646 --> 00:20:52,271
that Andy Miller couldn't do,
456
00:20:52,354 --> 00:20:54,604
that he was too old to do,
probably,
457
00:20:54,688 --> 00:20:56,229
probably too white to do.
458
00:20:56,312 --> 00:20:58,438
He would do the things
that would be necessary
459
00:20:58,521 --> 00:21:00,771
to foster that relationship
with the player,
460
00:21:00,855 --> 00:21:02,604
to keep them with the agency.
461
00:21:02,688 --> 00:21:06,104
- I literally signed
with ASM and Andy Miller
462
00:21:06,187 --> 00:21:07,396
because of Christian.
463
00:21:07,479 --> 00:21:09,646
Andy couldn't have recruited
me, you know what I mean?
464
00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,271
We have
a great relationship now
465
00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:13,604
because I signed with him
through Christian.
466
00:21:13,688 --> 00:21:15,771
And Andy was probably my agent
in all my paperwork,
467
00:21:15,855 --> 00:21:17,980
but Christian was the one
who did everything for me.
468
00:21:18,062 --> 00:21:20,062
And mostly Christian
kind of shaped me,
469
00:21:20,146 --> 00:21:21,646
pointed me
in the right direction
470
00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,396
to end up where I am now.
471
00:21:23,479 --> 00:21:25,980
Make no mistake about it,
he is like a mastermind
472
00:21:26,062 --> 00:21:28,813
when it comes to
the basketball agency world,
473
00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:30,479
and it's not up for debate
474
00:21:30,563 --> 00:21:31,938
that he was great
at what he did.
475
00:21:32,021 --> 00:21:34,730
- For a young guy, Christian
was incredibly well-connected.
476
00:21:34,813 --> 00:21:36,104
It was no question.
477
00:21:36,187 --> 00:21:39,312
21, 22 years old at the time,
and I think people thought,
478
00:21:39,396 --> 00:21:41,604
"This is--this could be
the next big thing."
479
00:21:41,688 --> 00:21:44,396
- No one could complain about
the actual representation.
480
00:21:44,479 --> 00:21:48,021
It was the small things that
didn't get handled correctly
481
00:21:48,104 --> 00:21:49,855
because Andy is like,
"I'm gonna get it done
482
00:21:49,938 --> 00:21:51,771
by any means," and so am I.
483
00:21:51,855 --> 00:21:54,104
And sometimes,
especially in a business
484
00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:56,479
as small as the agent business,
you gotta kind of be
485
00:21:56,563 --> 00:21:58,396
a little bit more politically
correct than we were.
486
00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:01,438
My former company was
487
00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:04,479
very upset
about the departure.
488
00:22:04,563 --> 00:22:07,146
Andy informed me
that he had been notified
489
00:22:07,229 --> 00:22:09,271
that my former employer
490
00:22:09,354 --> 00:22:10,938
filed a complaint
with local authorities
491
00:22:11,021 --> 00:22:13,229
and the NBA Players Association
492
00:22:13,312 --> 00:22:15,521
about me, allegedly,
493
00:22:15,604 --> 00:22:18,354
stealing $40,000 in Uber rides.
494
00:22:18,438 --> 00:22:19,730
Uber-gate.
495
00:22:24,104 --> 00:22:26,855
It got tons of media coverage.
496
00:22:26,938 --> 00:22:29,146
When I seen it,
I'm like, "Oh, shit.
497
00:22:29,229 --> 00:22:31,604
This is--this is damaging."
498
00:22:32,604 --> 00:22:34,771
When you hear it,
it sounds disgusting,
499
00:22:34,855 --> 00:22:36,229
like I was just--
at that point,
500
00:22:36,312 --> 00:22:38,104
I must have been just, like,
"Driving Miss Daisy,"
501
00:22:38,187 --> 00:22:39,980
just, like,
in the car all day.
502
00:22:40,062 --> 00:22:42,688
I never stole the Amex card
belonging Elfrid Payton.
503
00:22:42,771 --> 00:22:43,730
What happened was,
504
00:22:43,813 --> 00:22:45,813
I was working
for his financial advisor.
505
00:22:45,896 --> 00:22:48,229
I was essentially a part
of his financial team.
506
00:22:48,312 --> 00:22:50,813
Elfrid Payton was
in the rookie-sophomore game
507
00:22:50,896 --> 00:22:52,229
at All-Star Weekend.
508
00:22:52,312 --> 00:22:56,146
He directs me to put his card
in my Uber account,
509
00:22:56,229 --> 00:22:58,896
to get rides
when his family requested.
510
00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:02,521
After I left the company
that I was with
511
00:23:02,604 --> 00:23:04,646
and went over to work for Andy,
512
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:06,938
his card stayed
in my Uber account.
513
00:23:07,021 --> 00:23:08,896
As I'm working
for Andy's company,
514
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,563
I was basically doing
most of the recruiting
515
00:23:11,646 --> 00:23:12,730
for the whole company.
516
00:23:12,813 --> 00:23:15,062
There was numerous people
using my Uber account.
517
00:23:15,146 --> 00:23:18,146
At that time, the wrong card
was being charged.
518
00:23:19,271 --> 00:23:21,730
NBA Players Association Union
reaches out.
519
00:23:21,813 --> 00:23:23,896
They wanna know what's up.
520
00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:27,062
Obviously, the union knew
I wasn't certified with them.
521
00:23:27,146 --> 00:23:30,563
Andy, at that point,
said that he had to sever ties
522
00:23:30,646 --> 00:23:31,938
because the union was on him,
523
00:23:32,021 --> 00:23:35,604
and had to make stuff look
as if, like, it was a split.
524
00:23:40,312 --> 00:23:42,062
It was a bunch of small things
that added up
525
00:23:42,146 --> 00:23:44,146
to be pretty fucking
significant.
526
00:23:44,229 --> 00:23:47,146
I went too fast...
527
00:23:47,229 --> 00:23:49,604
And...
528
00:23:49,688 --> 00:23:50,980
it fucked us all.
529
00:23:53,688 --> 00:23:57,021
Uber-gate was done in May '17.
530
00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,104
Uber-gate sped up
what was gonna be
531
00:24:00,187 --> 00:24:01,396
the inevitable anyway.
532
00:24:03,855 --> 00:24:06,104
- Christian wanted to start
his own sports agency.
533
00:24:06,187 --> 00:24:08,604
So at that point, you know,
he came and met with me.
534
00:24:08,688 --> 00:24:09,604
I took him to lunch.
535
00:24:09,688 --> 00:24:11,146
I explained to him
some of the concerns
536
00:24:11,229 --> 00:24:13,104
that I had with what
he was trying to accomplish.
537
00:24:13,187 --> 00:24:16,771
And, um, you know, he went off
and did his own thing.
538
00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:19,938
- Andy and I,
we essentially agree to
539
00:24:20,062 --> 00:24:23,104
all my clients--I had maybe
a dozen clients in the NBA--
540
00:24:23,187 --> 00:24:24,479
I'm gonna be their manager
541
00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:26,146
as opposed to being
their agent.
542
00:24:26,229 --> 00:24:28,479
And I'm gonna build up
my own business independently
543
00:24:28,563 --> 00:24:31,604
as a management company,
and he'll represent my players
544
00:24:31,688 --> 00:24:33,813
on its NBA team contract.
545
00:24:33,896 --> 00:24:36,271
I would have handled
the day-to-day management,
546
00:24:36,354 --> 00:24:39,187
facilitated their
relationships with the agent,
547
00:24:39,271 --> 00:24:41,271
being Andy,
the financial advisor,
548
00:24:41,354 --> 00:24:42,896
whoever that may be.
549
00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:44,479
We would do marketing deals.
550
00:24:44,563 --> 00:24:47,312
Essentially, I would be the
quarterback of the entire team.
551
00:24:47,396 --> 00:24:48,604
I needed funding to make
552
00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:50,271
the management company
a reality.
553
00:24:50,354 --> 00:24:52,646
- Christian, I think,
was just overeager.
554
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:54,688
The thing was, though,
because of the way
555
00:24:54,771 --> 00:24:56,438
this business was going
to have to operate,
556
00:24:56,521 --> 00:24:58,438
they needed untraceable cash.
557
00:24:58,521 --> 00:25:00,980
That's what you create
with these rules.
558
00:25:01,062 --> 00:25:04,855
Instead of just it all
being on the up and up,
559
00:25:04,938 --> 00:25:09,354
you have to hide it
because of amateurism.
560
00:25:15,938 --> 00:25:17,396
The NCAA thinks
561
00:25:17,479 --> 00:25:19,312
you have to play
for the love of the game
562
00:25:19,396 --> 00:25:22,563
and can't get paid
to play sports.
563
00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:24,187
It's amateurism.
564
00:25:24,271 --> 00:25:28,354
Amateurism to college athletics
is just their--their theory
565
00:25:28,438 --> 00:25:32,187
that allows them to not pay
the student-athletes
566
00:25:32,271 --> 00:25:35,479
other than a scholarship,
room and board.
567
00:25:35,563 --> 00:25:40,396
- The issue of pay for play
will not go away.
568
00:25:40,479 --> 00:25:42,354
They'll--continue to be people
that say,
569
00:25:42,438 --> 00:25:43,396
"These are professionals,
570
00:25:43,479 --> 00:25:44,896
and they ought to be paid
like professionals,"
571
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:46,896
and I couldn't disagree more.
572
00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:48,730
I think that would
be the complete death
573
00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:50,021
of college athletics.
574
00:25:50,104 --> 00:25:53,062
- The NCAA puts legislation
or rules in place
575
00:25:53,146 --> 00:25:54,938
that the colleges
have to follow
576
00:25:55,021 --> 00:25:57,354
if you wanna be able
to participate
577
00:25:57,438 --> 00:25:59,104
in their events,
in their tournaments.
578
00:25:59,187 --> 00:26:02,730
- The NCAA thinks because
of this concept of amateurism,
579
00:26:02,813 --> 00:26:04,771
they can stop the wheels
of capitalism
580
00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:06,271
in the United States
of America.
581
00:26:07,771 --> 00:26:08,896
Never gonna happen.
582
00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:11,062
The way the system works, it--
583
00:26:11,146 --> 00:26:14,896
you end up dealing with
unsavory people
584
00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:16,896
or ridiculous circumstances.
585
00:26:29,688 --> 00:26:31,855
- Marty Blazer's
a former business manager,
586
00:26:31,938 --> 00:26:33,354
financial person.
587
00:26:33,438 --> 00:26:36,312
I knew him because
LaMarr Woodley,
588
00:26:36,396 --> 00:26:39,980
who would sponsor our AAU team
in the beginning--
589
00:26:40,062 --> 00:26:42,813
grassroots, in the beginning--
is from Saginaw.
590
00:26:42,896 --> 00:26:44,604
Marty represented LaMarr.
591
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:47,604
LaMarr would fund our team,
give us donations.
592
00:26:47,688 --> 00:26:50,771
- And so because LaMarr said
Marty was a good guy,
593
00:26:50,855 --> 00:26:52,396
Christian felt comfortable
594
00:26:52,479 --> 00:26:54,479
to begin a relationship
with Blazer,
595
00:26:54,563 --> 00:26:56,146
and he knew Blazer
had some money.
596
00:26:56,229 --> 00:26:57,938
- I was never close
to Marty Blazer.
597
00:26:58,021 --> 00:27:00,062
I literally think
Marty Blazer's an idiot.
598
00:27:01,354 --> 00:27:04,062
But I did meet Munish
through Marty.
599
00:27:05,354 --> 00:27:07,479
Marty Blazer
represented players
600
00:27:07,563 --> 00:27:09,479
in conjunction with Munish.
601
00:27:09,563 --> 00:27:11,479
Munish was the chairman
of a bank.
602
00:27:11,563 --> 00:27:13,146
He was a very
connected person.
603
00:27:13,229 --> 00:27:15,855
I met Munish because he was
trying to recruit athletes,
604
00:27:15,938 --> 00:27:17,146
to manage their money
605
00:27:17,229 --> 00:27:20,021
and to be
their financial advisor.
606
00:27:20,104 --> 00:27:21,479
- It was really hard for me
to understand how
607
00:27:21,563 --> 00:27:23,146
they ever came together,
just socially.
608
00:27:23,229 --> 00:27:25,104
"What do these two guys
have in common?"
609
00:27:25,187 --> 00:27:26,312
But in many ways,
610
00:27:26,396 --> 00:27:27,980
that was sort of the brilliance
of Christian.
611
00:27:28,062 --> 00:27:30,521
- Munish and I had built
a strong relationship,
612
00:27:30,604 --> 00:27:32,104
we had become partners,
613
00:27:32,187 --> 00:27:34,062
and we were gonna
do our thing.
614
00:27:35,396 --> 00:27:37,855
We were specifically
funding players
615
00:27:37,938 --> 00:27:40,312
and families with the hope
616
00:27:40,396 --> 00:27:42,229
that they would one day
sign with us
617
00:27:42,312 --> 00:27:43,855
when the time came.
618
00:27:43,938 --> 00:27:45,813
The competition
to sign players is a--
619
00:27:45,896 --> 00:27:48,146
it's a blood sport.
620
00:27:48,229 --> 00:27:52,062
The most valuable
and the most immediate return
621
00:27:52,146 --> 00:27:55,021
is gonna come off of players
who are first-round picks.
622
00:27:55,104 --> 00:27:58,479
There's only 30 players
every year in the entire world
623
00:27:58,563 --> 00:28:01,855
who get drafted first round
and get guaranteed money.
624
00:28:01,938 --> 00:28:06,062
- Everyone's trying to chase
this lottery ticket.
625
00:28:06,146 --> 00:28:09,980
Only one ultimate goal
for every one of them: NBA.
626
00:28:10,062 --> 00:28:13,021
And it is a very tough path
to get to.
627
00:28:13,104 --> 00:28:14,229
It's very hard to make.
628
00:28:14,312 --> 00:28:16,604
It's very expensive
to make the NBA now.
629
00:28:17,438 --> 00:28:19,855
- Providing resources
or paying players and a family
630
00:28:19,938 --> 00:28:22,479
is the cost of doing business,
basically.
631
00:28:24,312 --> 00:28:27,187
The business model
of financing prospects
632
00:28:27,271 --> 00:28:31,187
before they actually turn pro,
it's 100% a gamble.
633
00:28:31,271 --> 00:28:34,896
You could fund a kid for years.
You could sign him.
634
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:37,438
You could fucking
do everything right.
635
00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:40,688
He could fire you at the end
and go with somebody else,
636
00:28:40,771 --> 00:28:43,438
and that person who's done
nothing gets everything.
637
00:28:43,521 --> 00:28:47,855
That is the realities
of the representation business.
638
00:28:47,938 --> 00:28:52,062
- You have these
high-probability
639
00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:55,438
multimillionaires
sitting there.
640
00:28:55,521 --> 00:28:57,688
People are going to try
to represent them
641
00:28:57,771 --> 00:28:58,896
and get in business with them.
642
00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:02,187
Nothing, no NCAA rule book
is gonna stop that.
643
00:29:03,354 --> 00:29:06,438
- The first time I paid
a player was probably 2015,
644
00:29:06,521 --> 00:29:08,771
as--like, actually, like,
paid someone, okay,
645
00:29:08,855 --> 00:29:10,062
to sign with us.
646
00:29:10,146 --> 00:29:12,104
Everyone knew
Andy was paying players.
647
00:29:12,187 --> 00:29:14,730
Andy been paying players
since I was born.
648
00:29:14,813 --> 00:29:18,479
This wasn't a...like, a secret.
649
00:29:18,563 --> 00:29:20,938
One player can pay for ten.
650
00:29:21,021 --> 00:29:23,229
So if you're talking about
spinning $50,000
651
00:29:23,312 --> 00:29:25,146
to make $5 million,
652
00:29:25,229 --> 00:29:26,813
I would think, you know,
653
00:29:26,896 --> 00:29:29,354
people in Silicon Valley
would like those odds.
654
00:29:31,146 --> 00:29:35,104
The NBA Draft Lottery in 2017
was the first time
655
00:29:35,187 --> 00:29:38,271
I heard about
any investment stuff.
656
00:29:38,354 --> 00:29:41,062
I was in New York City
at the Draft Lottery.
657
00:29:41,855 --> 00:29:44,813
Munish said he wanted
to introduce me to Jeff,
658
00:29:44,896 --> 00:29:47,354
who was this real estate mogul
who wants to get into sports.
659
00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:49,479
I'm like, "Fine."
660
00:29:49,563 --> 00:29:51,938
Jeff D'Angelo
661
00:29:52,021 --> 00:29:56,104
is a very rich person
662
00:29:56,187 --> 00:29:58,771
with relationships
and connections
663
00:29:58,855 --> 00:30:03,229
in Miami, the club scene,
in New York City.
664
00:30:03,312 --> 00:30:06,646
He's an Italian guy.
665
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:09,354
Looks--seems to be
mid-thirties.
666
00:30:09,438 --> 00:30:13,104
Looks like he could be, like,
on "Jersey Shore" a little bit.
667
00:30:13,187 --> 00:30:17,146
His personality was whatever,
but he had a lot of money.
668
00:30:18,896 --> 00:30:20,479
Unbeknownst to me
in the beginning,
669
00:30:20,563 --> 00:30:23,813
Munish was introduced
to Jeff D'Angelo
670
00:30:23,896 --> 00:30:25,396
by Marty Blazer.
671
00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:29,521
Marty basically brokered
the idea of
672
00:30:29,604 --> 00:30:34,146
Jeff D'Angelo being
the investment vehicle
673
00:30:34,229 --> 00:30:36,396
to fund the management company.
674
00:30:37,396 --> 00:30:39,688
Me, Munish, and Jeff
675
00:30:39,771 --> 00:30:43,312
were the attendees
for the first meeting.
676
00:30:43,396 --> 00:30:46,479
We have lunch
at the Redeye Grill.
677
00:30:46,563 --> 00:30:48,855
I'm trying to explain to Jeff
678
00:30:48,938 --> 00:30:51,604
how the system works,
what I do.
679
00:31:00,646 --> 00:31:03,813
My plan was to use
my relationships
680
00:31:03,896 --> 00:31:07,312
with high school
and grassroots programs,
681
00:31:07,396 --> 00:31:10,354
try to embed myself
with them early,
682
00:31:10,438 --> 00:31:13,813
get them paid, and when it is
time for them to turn pro,
683
00:31:13,896 --> 00:31:16,646
I'm able to represent them.
684
00:31:40,938 --> 00:31:42,604
- It was a productive meeting,
it seemed.
685
00:31:42,688 --> 00:31:44,896
Seemed like we were gonna
make some progress.
686
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:47,896
I said to Munish, "This seems
too good to be true."
687
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:49,604
It's too good to be true
because the numbers
688
00:31:49,688 --> 00:31:52,479
that he was willing to spend
make no financial sense.
689
00:31:54,604 --> 00:31:55,980
- He said,
"I don't have a budget.
690
00:31:56,062 --> 00:31:57,396
Whatever you need."
691
00:31:57,479 --> 00:32:00,104
You can't recoup
whatever you need.
692
00:32:00,187 --> 00:32:02,604
So it just seemed like
it was too easy,
693
00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:05,896
but they invested
into Munish's fund.
694
00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,312
And once that happened,
Munish was like,
695
00:32:07,396 --> 00:32:09,563
"Listen,
it seems like bullshit,
696
00:32:09,646 --> 00:32:12,771
"but they did transfer over
money to invest,
697
00:32:12,855 --> 00:32:14,354
and it seems real."
698
00:32:15,813 --> 00:32:18,438
- I was told it was
a million dollars.
699
00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:19,521
- Yeah.
700
00:32:32,354 --> 00:32:33,354
- Okay.
701
00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:40,730
- Wha--
702
00:33:23,312 --> 00:33:24,312
- Yeah.
703
00:33:37,688 --> 00:33:39,146
I have a meeting on a yacht
704
00:33:39,229 --> 00:33:41,187
in Battery Park,
New York City.
705
00:33:44,271 --> 00:33:46,438
The yacht belonged
to Jeff D'Angelo.
706
00:33:47,855 --> 00:33:49,855
I was told, like,
this is the--
707
00:33:49,938 --> 00:33:52,646
the inception
of a new company.
708
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:54,855
Obviously, I'm the head of it,
709
00:33:54,938 --> 00:33:57,855
and they were happy
to be in business with me.
710
00:33:57,938 --> 00:34:01,813
And, um,
they wanted to celebrate.
711
00:34:02,896 --> 00:34:05,229
It was Jeff, Munish Sood,
712
00:34:05,312 --> 00:34:08,521
Alicia Carroll,
Munish's assistant...
713
00:34:08,604 --> 00:34:10,396
Jill.
714
00:34:10,479 --> 00:34:13,396
Jill Bailey was
Jeff D'Angelo's partner
715
00:34:13,479 --> 00:34:16,604
in their real estate
mogul-dom.
716
00:34:17,354 --> 00:34:20,771
Marty Blazer was
on that fucking boat too.
717
00:34:22,146 --> 00:34:23,938
Everyone's in a festive mood.
718
00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:27,521
Everyone's happy, excited.
719
00:34:29,146 --> 00:34:30,521
They popping champagne.
720
00:34:30,604 --> 00:34:31,688
I don't drink, so I'm like,
721
00:34:31,771 --> 00:34:33,438
"I don't care about
any of that kind of stuff."
722
00:34:33,521 --> 00:34:35,855
I literally was just like,
the whole time,
723
00:34:35,938 --> 00:34:38,938
"Give me my money.
We roll."
724
00:34:41,021 --> 00:34:42,271
- Okay.
725
00:34:42,354 --> 00:34:43,354
- Yeah.
726
00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:05,521
- Yeah.
727
00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:10,604
And we officially execute
the partnership agreement,
728
00:35:10,688 --> 00:35:13,646
operating agreement
between Jeff D'Angelo,
729
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:15,646
Munish Sood, and myself,
730
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:18,354
start LOYD Management Inc.
731
00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,604
I always called my management
company, LOYD Inc.,
732
00:35:21,688 --> 00:35:23,479
stands for
"Live Out Your Dreams,"
733
00:35:23,563 --> 00:35:25,563
the same company name
I've always had
734
00:35:25,646 --> 00:35:27,855
from when I was doing events
back in Saginaw.
735
00:35:29,354 --> 00:35:33,062
I get 50K cash that day.
736
00:35:40,563 --> 00:35:43,312
- I didn't think
it was strange initially
737
00:35:43,396 --> 00:35:46,813
about the 50K cash because
it was the first payment,
738
00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:48,813
like a celebratory moment,
you know,
739
00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:50,396
wanna show off a little bit.
740
00:35:52,021 --> 00:35:52,980
We got the 50.
741
00:35:53,062 --> 00:35:54,813
"Let's make sure
it's in the account, Munish."
742
00:35:54,896 --> 00:35:57,312
I don't wanna fly with 50K.
743
00:35:57,396 --> 00:35:59,062
There's no way I'm getting
on a plane with 50K.
744
00:35:59,146 --> 00:36:00,980
I gave it
to Munish's assistant,
745
00:36:01,062 --> 00:36:02,438
deposited it
in the bank account,
746
00:36:02,521 --> 00:36:04,521
and we move forward.
747
00:36:16,271 --> 00:36:18,229
- Now that I think back,
748
00:36:18,312 --> 00:36:19,855
they just was trying
to set me up.
749
00:36:35,104 --> 00:36:37,146
The yacht meeting,
they made it clear
750
00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:38,521
that they wanted money
to funnel
751
00:36:38,604 --> 00:36:39,855
through the college coaches
752
00:36:39,938 --> 00:36:42,896
and from the college coaches
to the players.
753
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,604
Their reason for paying
the coaches is to have
754
00:36:44,688 --> 00:36:47,104
another level of protection
and hopefully,
755
00:36:47,187 --> 00:36:49,855
the coaches
would steer players
756
00:36:49,938 --> 00:36:52,271
towards our
management company.
757
00:36:52,354 --> 00:36:53,730
They didn't want to do it
758
00:36:53,813 --> 00:36:55,062
the way I was
traditionally doing it,
759
00:36:55,146 --> 00:36:56,521
which was through
the players and the parents.
760
00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:14,855
- So whether I get players
from the way I wanna do it
761
00:37:14,938 --> 00:37:16,396
or the way he wants to do it,
762
00:37:16,479 --> 00:37:20,438
as long as we have results
and we are bringing in clients,
763
00:37:20,521 --> 00:37:21,604
it won't matter.
764
00:37:21,688 --> 00:37:23,730
If we have success
and we sign players,
765
00:37:23,813 --> 00:37:25,062
if he's my true partner,
766
00:37:25,146 --> 00:37:26,521
he's not gonna give a shit
anyway.
767
00:37:41,521 --> 00:37:42,771
- Yeah.
768
00:37:42,855 --> 00:37:43,855
- Right.
769
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:49,896
- In reality,
the reason for them,
770
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:52,271
from their vantage point,
to pay the coaches
771
00:37:52,354 --> 00:37:55,438
was to fuck us, basically,
772
00:37:55,521 --> 00:37:58,604
and to get us in a situation
where we were,
773
00:37:58,688 --> 00:38:01,688
"bribing" the coaches.
774
00:38:03,521 --> 00:38:05,563
In reality, Jeff D'Angelo
and Jill Bailey
775
00:38:05,646 --> 00:38:09,146
are undercover FBI agents.
776
00:38:09,229 --> 00:38:11,354
In reality, they consider
777
00:38:11,438 --> 00:38:15,771
the colleges coaches
to be public officials.
778
00:38:15,855 --> 00:38:18,479
So by giving money
to a public official
779
00:38:18,563 --> 00:38:20,646
in return for a favor,
780
00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:23,271
that is essentially bribery.
781
00:38:23,354 --> 00:38:26,855
They wanted me to use
my relationships with coaches
782
00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:29,146
to execute on that vision,
783
00:38:29,229 --> 00:38:34,146
to essentially set me up
to commit a felony--
784
00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:36,062
or multiple felonies.
785
00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:53,021
Book Richardson
is the assistant coach
786
00:38:53,104 --> 00:38:54,980
at the University of Arizona.
787
00:38:55,062 --> 00:38:57,354
Sean Miller is the head coach
at University of Arizona.
788
00:38:57,438 --> 00:39:01,521
Book was loyal to Sean.
789
00:39:01,604 --> 00:39:04,146
Arizona was definitely
more open
790
00:39:04,229 --> 00:39:05,771
to getting some shit done.
791
00:39:17,187 --> 00:39:18,855
- I don't know these people.
792
00:39:18,938 --> 00:39:20,396
I don't wanna ruffle
any feathers.
793
00:39:20,479 --> 00:39:24,354
I know I need to get
this funding in place.
794
00:39:24,438 --> 00:39:26,563
So at that point,
I wasn't gonna
795
00:39:26,646 --> 00:39:29,354
completely shoot down
796
00:39:29,438 --> 00:39:32,062
everything I thought that,
you know,
797
00:39:32,146 --> 00:39:34,521
he believed was the way
to do business.
798
00:39:34,604 --> 00:39:35,855
I just wanted
to get out of there,
799
00:39:35,938 --> 00:39:38,229
get the money,
and move forward.
800
00:39:38,312 --> 00:39:40,730
- At the end of the day,
Christian wanted to maintain
801
00:39:40,813 --> 00:39:43,396
as much of a relationship
as he could with D'Angelo
802
00:39:43,479 --> 00:39:45,563
because he was funding
LOYD Management.
803
00:39:45,646 --> 00:39:46,980
He was the one
who was paying the money.
804
00:39:47,062 --> 00:39:49,521
This is a dream come true
for a kid like Christian.
805
00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:50,730
But you gotta understand.
806
00:39:50,813 --> 00:39:52,438
He'd never seen
$50,000 before.
807
00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:53,730
He's got 50,000.
808
00:39:53,813 --> 00:39:55,396
He's got
a partnership agreement
809
00:39:55,479 --> 00:39:59,354
that has $250,000 written
on it with his name on it.
810
00:40:01,688 --> 00:40:04,021
They signed the agreement
and, you know,
811
00:40:04,104 --> 00:40:05,896
Christian goes off
and now he starts
812
00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:08,396
his new partnership
with Jeff D'Angelo
813
00:40:08,479 --> 00:40:10,563
and Jill Bailey,
the FBI agents.
814
00:40:14,229 --> 00:40:16,312
- I learned about this story
back in 2016.
815
00:40:16,396 --> 00:40:18,730
At the time, I'd been at
"The Wall Street Journal"
816
00:40:18,813 --> 00:40:21,938
for about two years,
and I had been hired there
817
00:40:22,021 --> 00:40:25,604
to cover New York courts
and criminal justice.
818
00:40:25,688 --> 00:40:29,604
And I moved to the sports beat
in mid-2016
819
00:40:29,688 --> 00:40:32,604
and sort of, like,
looking around for stories.
820
00:40:32,688 --> 00:40:36,104
I think I made a joke
about how I didn't know
821
00:40:36,187 --> 00:40:37,730
what I was doing in sports,
822
00:40:37,813 --> 00:40:40,271
and I missed my reporting
on public corruption.
823
00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:43,771
And somebody who came from
my previous beat
824
00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:45,271
sort of made a joke to me
825
00:40:45,354 --> 00:40:48,938
in around November
or December of 2016
826
00:40:49,021 --> 00:40:52,813
that I might not be
so far afield.
827
00:40:52,896 --> 00:40:54,938
And sure enough,
there was this one case
828
00:40:55,021 --> 00:40:57,438
that I found involving
this guy named Marty Blazer,
829
00:40:57,521 --> 00:40:59,604
and the SEC complaints
against him
830
00:40:59,688 --> 00:41:01,646
were just fascinating.
831
00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:04,980
- Marty had his issues
that were known
832
00:41:05,062 --> 00:41:08,021
with the Securities'
investigation for
833
00:41:08,104 --> 00:41:09,604
"misappropriating"
client money,
834
00:41:09,688 --> 00:41:10,813
or stealing money.
835
00:41:10,896 --> 00:41:13,396
- He took his clients' money
and invested it
836
00:41:13,479 --> 00:41:16,229
in some film projects
that he was working on.
837
00:41:16,312 --> 00:41:18,146
- You literally cannot
make this up.
838
00:41:18,229 --> 00:41:19,646
- He had stole
millions of dollars
839
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:23,271
from clients of his
to make a movie or some shit.
840
00:41:23,354 --> 00:41:25,980
- Um, one of them was called,
"Mafia the Movie."
841
00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:30,646
- I know who you are.
842
00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:34,146
Blood on your hands represents
the lives I've taken.
843
00:41:37,062 --> 00:41:38,354
It's the gangster business...
844
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:40,813
And I love it.
845
00:41:45,104 --> 00:41:47,563
- I didn't know he was, like,
having a Ponzi scheme
846
00:41:47,646 --> 00:41:51,521
to become a, um--he had
ambitions to be a movie mogul
847
00:41:51,604 --> 00:41:54,354
and was fucking taking
players' money to do it.
848
00:41:54,438 --> 00:41:56,896
- The SEC confronted him.
849
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:58,646
They said,
"We're gonna charge you."
850
00:41:58,730 --> 00:42:01,521
- And he was being indicted
on all kinds of fraud charges,
851
00:42:01,604 --> 00:42:03,813
identity theft,
securities fraud.
852
00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:06,521
And when he sat down
with the U.S. attorney...
853
00:42:06,604 --> 00:42:07,688
- And he said,
"Wait, wait, wait.
854
00:42:07,771 --> 00:42:10,312
Don't arrest me just yet.
I can help you."
855
00:42:10,396 --> 00:42:12,521
- He told them
he had some information
856
00:42:12,604 --> 00:42:13,855
that could be of value perhaps,
857
00:42:13,938 --> 00:42:16,229
that could provide him
some relief with his case.
858
00:42:16,312 --> 00:42:18,563
- "I know about
this whole scheme
859
00:42:18,646 --> 00:42:20,354
"to bribe coaches,
860
00:42:20,438 --> 00:42:22,646
and I can help you
investigate this."
861
00:42:24,104 --> 00:42:25,771
- The origin
of the entire case was
862
00:42:25,855 --> 00:42:27,563
Marty Blazer.
863
00:42:27,646 --> 00:42:29,896
- Yeah, CW-1 is Marty Blazer,
864
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:32,354
cooperating witness
number one.
865
00:42:32,438 --> 00:42:35,563
So he was the first informant.
866
00:42:35,646 --> 00:42:36,604
- For a lot of that,
he was on his own.
867
00:42:36,688 --> 00:42:38,646
He didn't have FBI agents
868
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:40,229
alongside him
as business partners.
869
00:42:40,312 --> 00:42:41,271
So in the early years of this,
870
00:42:41,354 --> 00:42:43,563
it was just him going around,
meeting people
871
00:42:43,646 --> 00:42:47,062
and saying, um, you know,
872
00:42:47,146 --> 00:42:48,604
"Do you want some cash?"
873
00:42:48,688 --> 00:42:51,521
You know,
"We can work together.
874
00:42:51,604 --> 00:42:53,312
I can introduce you
to this guy."
875
00:42:53,396 --> 00:42:54,730
And he's recording it himself.
876
00:42:54,813 --> 00:42:56,730
It's sort of like
a freelance operation.
877
00:43:10,062 --> 00:43:11,855
- How you doing--
878
00:43:15,229 --> 00:43:17,396
- And this is the genesis
on the entire case.
879
00:43:17,479 --> 00:43:19,938
A three-year FBI investigation
880
00:43:20,021 --> 00:43:22,896
was created by Marty Blazer,
881
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:24,438
trying to get out of trouble.
882
00:43:24,521 --> 00:43:25,896
- Marty was recruiting
our players
883
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:28,438
that we was involved with
at ASM.
884
00:43:28,521 --> 00:43:31,521
Marty wants to, you know,
build a relationship.
885
00:43:47,855 --> 00:43:49,187
- So he's trying to get
a lower sentence,
886
00:43:49,271 --> 00:43:51,646
and he's just throwing darts
against the wall of stuff
887
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:53,271
that he can bring to the table.
888
00:43:53,354 --> 00:43:54,771
Munish was one of the people
he said
889
00:43:54,855 --> 00:43:57,563
that was involved
with paying players.
890
00:43:58,396 --> 00:44:00,354
They got enough evidence
to tap Munish's phone.
891
00:44:00,438 --> 00:44:01,813
Once they do that,
892
00:44:01,896 --> 00:44:03,646
they talk--hear me talking
to Munish, obviously,
893
00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:06,312
because I talk to Munish
all the time.
894
00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:10,104
They know of our plans.
They know I need funding.
895
00:44:10,187 --> 00:44:12,479
They turn--they get to Marty.
896
00:44:12,563 --> 00:44:15,312
Marty makes the introduction
to the--to the undercovers.
897
00:44:15,396 --> 00:44:18,396
And then, um, June 6, 2017,
898
00:44:18,479 --> 00:44:21,187
we were in a yacht
in Battery Park.
899
00:44:21,271 --> 00:44:24,146
- On June 20th,
Christian set up meetings
900
00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:27,229
for Merl--Merl Code
and Book Richardson
901
00:44:27,312 --> 00:44:28,688
to go meet with Jeff D'Angelo.
902
00:44:47,604 --> 00:44:50,021
- This is only 14 days
after the yacht.
903
00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:53,438
Christian is talking to Book,
and he literally tells him,
904
00:44:53,521 --> 00:44:55,187
"I've hyped you up."
Right?
905
00:44:55,271 --> 00:44:56,938
"This is what I think
you can get out of him."
906
00:45:31,521 --> 00:45:33,062
- Book's saying,
"Hey, thanks a lot.
907
00:45:33,146 --> 00:45:35,354
What can I do for you?"
908
00:45:35,438 --> 00:45:37,563
And Christian says, "You don't
have to do anything for me.
909
00:45:37,646 --> 00:45:39,229
"I'm Gucci.
I don't--I'm good.
910
00:45:39,312 --> 00:45:40,563
I don't need anything."
911
00:45:40,646 --> 00:45:42,104
And Book then gets out
of the cab,
912
00:45:42,187 --> 00:45:43,563
goes into the meeting,
913
00:45:43,646 --> 00:45:46,646
and he gets his $5,000
from Jeff D'Angelo.
914
00:46:21,354 --> 00:46:23,187
- Oh, I know, I know, I know.
915
00:46:34,688 --> 00:46:37,146
- Merl also is on the way over
to meet with the FBI.
916
00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:40,146
- Merl Code is a mentor
of mine.
917
00:46:40,229 --> 00:46:41,938
I met him through Andy.
918
00:46:42,938 --> 00:46:44,146
Merl's working for Adidas.
919
00:46:44,229 --> 00:46:47,438
Merl was a facilitator
and a relationship person,
920
00:46:47,521 --> 00:46:52,354
but also someone who--
who helped us recruit.
921
00:46:52,438 --> 00:46:55,813
He wasn't a equity partner,
but we were so close.
922
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:57,312
We had the resources.
923
00:46:57,396 --> 00:47:00,646
I'm like, "I'll pay Merl
to open doors for me,
924
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:04,146
"help me build relationships,
maintain relationships.
925
00:47:04,229 --> 00:47:05,813
"Merl's good--been good to me.
926
00:47:05,896 --> 00:47:07,730
I wanna make sure
he can eat too."
927
00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:08,980
- And Christian's telling him,
928
00:47:09,062 --> 00:47:11,604
"Look, this is what
you need to do.
929
00:47:11,688 --> 00:47:13,855
"Let D'Angelo know
that you can provide
930
00:47:13,938 --> 00:47:16,021
a great value
to LOYD Management."
931
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:33,312
- And Merl says, "Well, how?
How can I do that?"
932
00:47:33,396 --> 00:47:34,354
And Christian's like,
933
00:47:34,438 --> 00:47:35,813
"Merl, just give them
any fucking name.
934
00:47:35,896 --> 00:47:37,062
They don't know
what they're talking about."
935
00:47:57,104 --> 00:47:59,062
- For Merl too,
this was nothing other than
936
00:47:59,146 --> 00:48:02,229
Merl telling Jeff D'Angelo
what Jeff D'Angelo
937
00:48:02,312 --> 00:48:05,062
wanted to hear,
get money out of him.
938
00:48:05,146 --> 00:48:07,396
And the lack of respect
that Christian exhibited
939
00:48:07,479 --> 00:48:08,771
was almost immediate.
940
00:48:08,855 --> 00:48:11,730
So there was really
no relationship at all,
941
00:48:11,813 --> 00:48:14,062
even in the beginning of them
942
00:48:14,146 --> 00:48:16,229
coming together
to form LOYD Management.
943
00:48:16,312 --> 00:48:18,604
He had no interest
in bribing coaches.
944
00:48:18,688 --> 00:48:21,062
He wanted the money
from the FBI
945
00:48:21,146 --> 00:48:22,438
to run his sports agency.
946
00:48:24,521 --> 00:48:26,229
- All these things are being
recorded, all these calls,
947
00:48:26,312 --> 00:48:28,354
these thousands of hours
of wiretaps.
948
00:48:28,438 --> 00:48:29,521
'Cause it wasn't just
my phone.
949
00:48:29,604 --> 00:48:30,604
Numerous phones.
950
00:48:30,688 --> 00:48:33,438
There's at least one person,
if not more,
951
00:48:33,521 --> 00:48:36,688
whose job is to just go in
and focus only on
952
00:48:36,771 --> 00:48:39,438
monitoring those phone calls.
953
00:49:14,021 --> 00:49:15,771
- Mm-hmm.
954
00:49:15,855 --> 00:49:17,855
So in my head, I'm like,
955
00:49:17,938 --> 00:49:19,604
"He's just really that stupid.
956
00:49:19,688 --> 00:49:21,604
"He doesn't understand
how the business works
957
00:49:21,688 --> 00:49:22,896
"if he thinks that
it makes sense
958
00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:24,521
to just go out here
and pay coaches."
959
00:49:24,604 --> 00:49:27,312
I was never, ever, ever
960
00:49:27,396 --> 00:49:30,312
given a player
directly from a coach.
961
00:49:30,396 --> 00:49:31,479
Ever.
962
00:49:31,563 --> 00:49:32,730
I never signed anyone.
963
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:34,813
If anything,
I gotta fight the coaches
964
00:49:34,896 --> 00:49:38,312
to keep them from going to--
they wanna keep them in school.
965
00:49:38,396 --> 00:49:39,646
They don't want
the fucking players
966
00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:41,146
to leave and go to the NBA.
967
00:49:41,229 --> 00:49:42,354
So I'm fighting with them.
968
00:49:42,438 --> 00:49:44,312
They're not trying
to push dudes--
969
00:49:44,396 --> 00:49:45,855
push dudes to the NBA.
970
00:49:45,938 --> 00:49:47,312
That's a lie.
971
00:49:47,396 --> 00:49:49,146
The only person who does that
is Kentucky
972
00:49:49,229 --> 00:49:51,146
'cause they got
five more coming.
973
00:49:51,229 --> 00:49:53,688
- Christian has the players
locked in, in theory,
974
00:49:53,771 --> 00:49:55,271
before they ever get
to the school.
975
00:50:41,312 --> 00:50:44,521
- Jeff D'Angelo is pushing,
he's pushing, he's pushing
976
00:50:44,604 --> 00:50:46,771
the whole model to pay
the coaches because it fits
977
00:50:46,855 --> 00:50:48,771
the government's narrative
of bribery.
978
00:50:48,855 --> 00:50:49,896
- I'm trying to tell him,
979
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:51,187
"That makes
no fucking sense, bro."
980
00:50:51,271 --> 00:50:53,938
Like,
"What are you talking about?"
981
00:51:23,312 --> 00:51:26,187
- I'm like, "Whatever.
Okay, cool."
982
00:51:34,521 --> 00:51:36,062
What I was really
trying to say was not,
983
00:51:36,146 --> 00:51:37,771
"Let's just go
to the strip club."
984
00:51:37,855 --> 00:51:38,980
It was basically, like,
985
00:51:39,062 --> 00:51:42,062
showing him how much of a waste
of the money was.
986
00:51:42,146 --> 00:51:44,646
Like, "If we're gonna
just blow some money, let's--
987
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:46,646
"we might as well just take it
and go have some fun
988
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:48,271
"because that's what's
gonna be the value
989
00:51:48,354 --> 00:51:49,479
that's gonna come out of it."
990
00:51:49,563 --> 00:51:52,229
I mean, I was obviously
being a degenerate by saying,
991
00:51:52,312 --> 00:51:53,771
"Let's go to the strip club."
992
00:51:53,855 --> 00:51:55,312
That was w--you know.
993
00:51:56,646 --> 00:51:58,146
I might have been serious,
who knows?
994
00:52:15,229 --> 00:52:18,855
- My investor says,
"100%, this is my money,"
995
00:52:18,938 --> 00:52:21,229
essentially,
"I'ma let you do you,
996
00:52:21,312 --> 00:52:23,438
but you gonna fucking do
what I tell you to do."
997
00:52:23,521 --> 00:52:24,980
- It's on the phone calls.
998
00:52:25,062 --> 00:52:27,604
You can hear it,
the voice of the FBI agent
999
00:52:27,688 --> 00:52:28,938
having an "oh, shit" moment.
1000
00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:30,479
He's stuttering.
He's stammering.
1001
00:52:30,563 --> 00:52:31,980
You can hear the anxiety
from him.
1002
00:52:32,062 --> 00:52:34,813
"He's not gonna do it.
What are we gonna do now?"
1003
00:52:34,896 --> 00:52:37,438
Keep on pushing him.
Keep on pushing him.
1004
00:52:50,479 --> 00:52:52,146
- And I figured
that he was pretty adamant
1005
00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:54,855
about not funding me
1006
00:52:54,938 --> 00:52:58,062
if I didn't do what he wanted--
wanted me to do.
1007
00:52:58,146 --> 00:52:59,896
So at that point,
I had to make a decision.
1008
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:20,354
- And the decision
I made was to
1009
00:53:20,438 --> 00:53:23,187
go along with his idea
that we should fund coaches,
1010
00:53:23,271 --> 00:53:25,688
get the coaches to understand
what was happening,
1011
00:53:25,771 --> 00:53:27,229
then I would just
take the money
1012
00:53:27,312 --> 00:53:29,354
and put it in my bank account
and keep it.
1013
00:53:31,438 --> 00:53:34,396
And I was like,
"Listen, if you think that
1014
00:53:34,479 --> 00:53:37,062
this makes sense, cool."
1015
00:53:37,146 --> 00:53:39,604
What I did, I called Merl,
1016
00:53:39,688 --> 00:53:41,563
said, "Listen,
this guy's a fucking idiot."
1017
00:53:41,646 --> 00:53:43,896
Like, "There's nothing
that we can do to save him."
1018
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:47,062
- Literally, the same day
within a couple hours,
1019
00:53:47,146 --> 00:53:49,688
he calls Merl Code up,
telling Merl Code,
1020
00:53:49,771 --> 00:53:51,312
"I ain't gonna pay coaches."
1021
00:54:06,146 --> 00:54:09,521
"We gonna fucking set up
these meetings.
1022
00:54:09,604 --> 00:54:12,104
"We're gonna tell the dude,
D'Angelo,
1023
00:54:12,187 --> 00:54:15,896
"that these coaches are gonna
get this amount of money.
1024
00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:17,855
We gonna take the money
and keep it."
1025
00:54:24,855 --> 00:54:27,271
- Christian is on the phone,
telling Merl,
1026
00:54:27,354 --> 00:54:29,771
"I tried to do things
the right way.
1027
00:54:29,855 --> 00:54:31,938
"These guys
won't listen to me, Merl.
1028
00:54:32,021 --> 00:54:35,312
"I've tried to explain it
to them multiple fucking times.
1029
00:54:35,396 --> 00:54:37,104
They just won't listen."
1030
00:54:37,187 --> 00:54:40,604
- So I tell Merl,
"Listen, line up some coaches,
1031
00:54:40,688 --> 00:54:43,688
and he'll give you
the 8,000 a month."
1032
00:54:43,771 --> 00:54:44,938
Merl's like, "Cool."
1033
00:54:45,021 --> 00:54:47,271
I'ma tell them,
"Spend 15, 20 minutes.
1034
00:54:47,354 --> 00:54:48,938
I'm not going to the meeting."
1035
00:54:49,021 --> 00:54:50,271
I'm not gonna be out here,
1036
00:54:50,354 --> 00:54:52,396
telling him to take no mo--
like all that shit.
1037
00:54:52,479 --> 00:54:54,312
We was both on the same page.
Like, "This is dumb."
1038
00:54:54,396 --> 00:54:56,688
I didn't look at it like
I'm stealing money from him
1039
00:54:56,771 --> 00:54:58,938
by setting up the meetings
and just keeping the money.
1040
00:54:59,021 --> 00:55:01,312
I looked at it like,
"I'm keeping my money
1041
00:55:01,396 --> 00:55:05,938
"because I'm responsible
as a partner in this company
1042
00:55:06,021 --> 00:55:08,688
"to fucking keep
the expenses low
1043
00:55:08,771 --> 00:55:10,229
and grow the profits."
1044
00:55:10,312 --> 00:55:13,354
- Christian and his friends,
they were hustling the FBI.
1045
00:55:13,438 --> 00:55:14,855
There's no question about that.
1046
00:55:14,938 --> 00:55:16,479
That was a matter of just
listening to the wiretaps
1047
00:55:16,563 --> 00:55:17,980
and hearing
what they were saying.
1048
00:55:18,062 --> 00:55:19,688
But really, it was because
Christian was trying
1049
00:55:19,771 --> 00:55:22,438
to tell this guy how
LOYD Management should be run.
1050
00:56:03,938 --> 00:56:06,229
- The thing was Christian
had no idea, really,
1051
00:56:06,312 --> 00:56:09,688
what D'Angelo was doing was
trying to build a bribery case,
1052
00:56:09,771 --> 00:56:11,438
a coaches' bribery case.
1053
00:56:39,438 --> 00:56:41,396
Merl was saying the same thing
we were saying.
1054
00:56:41,479 --> 00:56:43,563
"This fucking guy is stupid."
1055
00:56:43,646 --> 00:56:46,396
And so he's like, you know,
"You gotta be very careful
1056
00:56:46,479 --> 00:56:47,896
coming off the Uber stuff."
1057
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:50,146
You know, obviously, he knew
what the deal was with Uber,
1058
00:56:50,229 --> 00:56:51,896
but he's like,
"You gotta be careful.
1059
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:53,896
"The way you handle
your business,
1060
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:56,271
you gotta clean your stuff up,"
which was true.
1061
00:56:56,354 --> 00:56:57,646
It was a fact.
1062
00:57:23,688 --> 00:57:27,771
I had knew someone
who was formerly at the DA.
1063
00:57:27,855 --> 00:57:29,771
So I'm like, "Well,
let me check with my source."
1064
00:57:29,855 --> 00:57:31,813
And this guy definitely--
retired DA,
1065
00:57:31,896 --> 00:57:33,980
worked over 20 years.
1066
00:57:34,062 --> 00:57:36,479
I wanted him to run
a background check
1067
00:57:36,563 --> 00:57:39,146
on Jeff D'Angelo
and Jill Bailey.
1068
00:57:41,688 --> 00:57:43,312
I gave him the names,
1069
00:57:43,396 --> 00:57:45,688
told him to call me back
when he got some information.
1070
00:57:45,771 --> 00:57:48,646
He had someone
that he knew at the FBI
1071
00:57:48,730 --> 00:57:50,187
do a background check.
1072
00:57:54,563 --> 00:57:57,521
Of course it comes up clean.
Everything was above board.
1073
00:57:57,604 --> 00:57:58,855
Everything checked out
of what they said.
1074
00:57:58,938 --> 00:58:02,312
So the guy who I knew
who worked for the DA
1075
00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:03,813
calls me back.
1076
00:58:03,896 --> 00:58:04,896
"They're solid."
1077
00:58:06,062 --> 00:58:08,438
So that's all I needed to hear
at that point.
1078
00:58:08,521 --> 00:58:09,855
Once we checked that out,
I was like,
1079
00:58:09,938 --> 00:58:10,938
"I don't really need a PI.
1080
00:58:11,021 --> 00:58:14,146
I'll take that
and roll with it."
1081
00:58:14,229 --> 00:58:17,521
We thought it was straight.
Munish thought it was straight.
1082
00:58:19,604 --> 00:58:21,062
It was the worst thing ever.
1083
00:58:22,896 --> 00:58:26,146
- There came a point in time
in investigation
1084
00:58:26,229 --> 00:58:30,062
where everything
turned towards, really,
1085
00:58:30,146 --> 00:58:32,896
Christian hustling
Jeff D'Angelo
1086
00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:34,521
and trying to get as much money
as he could
1087
00:58:34,604 --> 00:58:37,646
out of the FBI,
not knowing they were the FBI,
1088
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:39,730
and doing the exact opposite
1089
00:58:39,813 --> 00:58:41,354
of what they thought
he was doing
1090
00:58:41,438 --> 00:58:43,062
the entire time with the money.
1091
00:58:43,146 --> 00:58:46,187
And it really culminates
out in Las Vegas.
1092
00:58:57,271 --> 00:59:00,521
- We met around
late July, 2017.
1093
00:59:00,604 --> 00:59:01,688
We're in Vegas.
1094
00:59:01,771 --> 00:59:04,146
All the coaches
in Division I basketball
1095
00:59:04,229 --> 00:59:07,896
are all in Vegas for
the summer evaluation period
1096
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:09,730
for the grassroots basketball.
1097
00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:11,438
So all the coaches
were out there
1098
00:59:11,521 --> 00:59:13,688
to watch the young players
that are out there playing.
1099
00:59:14,813 --> 00:59:15,855
The whole point
of the Vegas trip
1100
00:59:15,938 --> 00:59:18,229
was to introduce college
coaches to Jeff D'Angelo
1101
00:59:18,312 --> 00:59:21,187
because he wanted
to be able to pay them.
1102
00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:24,771
I felt the easiest
and most efficient way
1103
00:59:24,855 --> 00:59:28,021
to get everybody
to knock it out,
1104
00:59:28,104 --> 00:59:29,354
instead of flying
all over the country,
1105
00:59:29,438 --> 00:59:30,896
was to just have
a meeting in Vegas,
1106
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:32,896
get a room,
and have meetings in the room.
1107
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:36,229
I'm thinking, you know,
a regular suite,
1108
00:59:36,312 --> 00:59:39,312
a suite at, you know,
a local Marriott.
1109
00:59:40,855 --> 00:59:43,730
I get to the hotel,
and, you know,
1110
00:59:43,813 --> 00:59:45,062
the suite's on
one of the top floors,
1111
00:59:45,146 --> 00:59:46,688
one of the best suites
they have in there.
1112
00:59:47,771 --> 00:59:49,938
I go in the suite.
1113
00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:52,771
It's huge,
and I'm thinking to myself,
1114
00:59:52,855 --> 00:59:54,271
"This shit is crazy."
1115
00:59:54,354 --> 00:59:55,938
'Cause again, I'm going back
to the numbers, like,
1116
00:59:56,021 --> 00:59:58,396
"What are we doing?
This makes no sense."
1117
00:59:58,479 --> 00:59:59,771
It was ridiculous.
1118
00:59:59,855 --> 01:00:00,938
It was the best--
one of the best things
1119
01:00:01,021 --> 01:00:02,438
that they had in there.
1120
01:00:02,521 --> 01:00:04,104
It's laid out,
drinks everywhere,
1121
01:00:04,187 --> 01:00:07,563
you know, wine, champagne,
and a living room area, bar.
1122
01:00:07,646 --> 01:00:10,271
It was ridiculous.
The room was crazy.
1123
01:00:10,354 --> 01:00:12,229
So in my head, I'm like,
1124
01:00:12,312 --> 01:00:14,104
"We're never gonna make money.
1125
01:00:14,187 --> 01:00:15,980
We've spent everything."
1126
01:00:16,062 --> 01:00:19,646
I wasn't even doing it
from a moral high place.
1127
01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:24,604
I was down for some bullshit,
but it makes no business sense.
1128
01:00:24,688 --> 01:00:26,771
Expenses have to recouped
no matter what--
1129
01:00:26,855 --> 01:00:30,521
what way you look at it,
the house has to always win,
1130
01:00:30,604 --> 01:00:32,396
or you don't have
a house anymore.
1131
01:00:32,479 --> 01:00:34,187
You lose everything.
1132
01:00:34,271 --> 01:00:35,980
I call Munish that day.
1133
01:00:36,062 --> 01:00:37,771
I'm like, "I know we checked
into everything,
1134
01:00:37,855 --> 01:00:39,146
but this isn't right."
1135
01:00:39,229 --> 01:00:40,271
And at that point, I'm like,
1136
01:00:40,354 --> 01:00:42,187
"Maybe they with the mafia
or some shit like that."
1137
01:00:42,271 --> 01:00:43,479
Like, "Jeff is Italian--"
1138
01:00:43,563 --> 01:00:45,479
Not to be racist
or stereotypical.
1139
01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:47,521
I'm like, "He's Italian.
May--he's got all this money.
1140
01:00:47,604 --> 01:00:49,062
Maybe he's in the mafia."
1141
01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:50,354
- Christian has made it clear
1142
01:00:50,438 --> 01:00:52,521
he's not gonna give any coaches
any money.
1143
01:00:52,604 --> 01:00:54,771
Christian contacts
a lot of his close friends
1144
01:00:54,855 --> 01:00:56,813
that are college coaches,
and he has a lot of them.
1145
01:00:56,896 --> 01:01:00,688
He contacts Corey Barker
from Texas Christian,
1146
01:01:00,771 --> 01:01:03,312
he contacts Preston Murphy
from Creighton,
1147
01:01:03,396 --> 01:01:06,479
Tony Bland from USC,
and others.
1148
01:01:06,563 --> 01:01:07,646
And he tells them,
1149
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:09,354
"Look, I need you to come
and do me a favor.
1150
01:01:09,438 --> 01:01:11,688
We're gonna go meet
with the investors."
1151
01:01:11,771 --> 01:01:13,730
- We told the coaches
what was happening.
1152
01:01:13,813 --> 01:01:15,855
"Listen, bro,
this guy's stupid.
1153
01:01:15,938 --> 01:01:18,563
"He is my investor.
Just go in here.
1154
01:01:18,646 --> 01:01:20,271
I'ma take the money
off the table."
1155
01:01:21,938 --> 01:01:23,521
And what I ended up doing
was taking the money
1156
01:01:23,604 --> 01:01:24,688
and keeping it.
1157
01:01:24,771 --> 01:01:26,021
We was in Vegas.
"Let's take some of it.
1158
01:01:26,104 --> 01:01:27,229
Let's have some fun."
1159
01:01:29,104 --> 01:01:31,062
You know,
Tony definitely was aware
1160
01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:32,855
that we gonna go in here,
1161
01:01:32,938 --> 01:01:34,646
I'm gonna talk to him
about some players,
1162
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:36,271
they gonna put some
money on the table,
1163
01:01:36,354 --> 01:01:37,646
I'm gonna take it.
1164
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:38,855
He knew that.
1165
01:01:38,938 --> 01:01:40,521
I think it was 13K.
1166
01:01:40,604 --> 01:01:43,354
Tony didn't get it.
I took off the table.
1167
01:01:47,271 --> 01:01:50,479
I was in Vegas.
I just went gambling.
1168
01:01:50,563 --> 01:01:52,146
Sorry.
1169
01:01:52,229 --> 01:01:54,730
It was all kinds of money
in that suite.
1170
01:01:54,813 --> 01:01:56,730
It was over 100K.
1171
01:01:56,813 --> 01:01:59,354
Jeff D'Angelo, he had a safe.
1172
01:01:59,438 --> 01:02:00,396
Whenever we needed some money,
1173
01:02:00,479 --> 01:02:01,771
he'd go to the safe
and get the money out,
1174
01:02:01,855 --> 01:02:03,604
and it was real money.
1175
01:02:03,688 --> 01:02:06,271
It was never--it definitely
wasn't five--I mean, fuck.
1176
01:02:06,354 --> 01:02:08,688
We had one meeting,
there was 15K on the table.
1177
01:02:10,479 --> 01:02:12,896
I mean, it was--
it was a shit show.
1178
01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:17,229
And then fucking
Marty Blazer popped up.
1179
01:02:17,312 --> 01:02:20,146
And that was around the time
that I had just became aware
1180
01:02:20,229 --> 01:02:21,563
of the SEC stuff.
1181
01:02:21,646 --> 01:02:24,730
I was really hot that
he was involved or around.
1182
01:02:24,813 --> 01:02:26,896
There's no purpose for him
being in the meeting.
1183
01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:28,688
You know, Jeff is like,
"Oh, he's out here with me.
1184
01:02:28,771 --> 01:02:31,271
It's fine.
He's my guy."
1185
01:02:31,354 --> 01:02:34,062
I was just like,
1186
01:02:34,146 --> 01:02:35,813
"Yeah, no."
1187
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:38,730
So after
the Tony Bland meeting,
1188
01:02:38,813 --> 01:02:42,104
it was my last meeting
of the day--of the night with
1189
01:02:42,187 --> 01:02:44,896
Jeff D'Angelo
and Marty Blazer.
1190
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:46,146
Later on that night,
1191
01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:48,187
I had another meeting
with another coach
1192
01:02:48,271 --> 01:02:49,771
in a casino lobby.
1193
01:02:49,855 --> 01:02:53,938
As I'm leaving,
walking on the casino floor,
1194
01:02:54,021 --> 01:02:56,396
I notice Blazer and D'Angelo
1195
01:02:56,479 --> 01:02:59,896
are together in the casino,
gambling.
1196
01:02:59,980 --> 01:03:01,271
At that point,
I just, you know,
1197
01:03:01,354 --> 01:03:03,980
didn't think anything of it
and just left.
1198
01:03:05,646 --> 01:03:07,521
So after the Tony meeting,
1199
01:03:07,604 --> 01:03:09,938
we got, you know,
roughly $13,000.
1200
01:03:10,021 --> 01:03:11,896
You know, we just went out.
We--we partied.
1201
01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:14,896
We, um, did a little bit
of gambling.
1202
01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:16,312
It wasn't a lot.
1203
01:03:16,396 --> 01:03:19,479
The rest was, you know,
out at the club.
1204
01:03:19,563 --> 01:03:21,813
You know,
stuff happens at the club.
1205
01:03:21,896 --> 01:03:23,855
You throw money
and stuff like that.
1206
01:03:23,938 --> 01:03:26,980
And then the next morning,
1207
01:03:27,062 --> 01:03:29,312
the rest of the money was--
well, most of the money was
1208
01:03:29,396 --> 01:03:32,521
deposited in
the LOYD business account.
1209
01:03:36,271 --> 01:03:39,187
Essentially,
the FBI funded a great party
1210
01:03:39,271 --> 01:03:42,479
for some coaches and myself
to just hang out.
1211
01:03:42,563 --> 01:03:43,646
N--
1212
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:47,104
No one was with us that night
1213
01:03:47,187 --> 01:03:48,855
thinking that
we're bribing each other.
1214
01:03:48,938 --> 01:03:50,438
No one.
1215
01:03:50,521 --> 01:03:53,312
I would think in Vegas,
we spent...
1216
01:03:53,396 --> 01:03:57,354
everything all in, over 100K.
1217
01:04:00,938 --> 01:04:03,271
- Correct, I got worried
after the Vegas trip.
1218
01:04:04,604 --> 01:04:07,396
- It got resolved because
Jeff was out of the picture.
1219
01:04:07,479 --> 01:04:10,187
- I think at the end of July,
1220
01:04:10,271 --> 01:04:13,354
Jeff D'Angelo just no longer
was part of the investigation,
1221
01:04:13,438 --> 01:04:17,855
and the explanation was that
Jeff had some family business
1222
01:04:17,938 --> 01:04:19,730
he had to tend to
over in Europe.
1223
01:04:19,813 --> 01:04:23,813
- Jeff D'Angelo's mother...
1224
01:04:23,896 --> 01:04:26,229
is supposedly sick in Sicily,
1225
01:04:26,312 --> 01:04:29,104
and he's going over to
take care of his dying mother.
1226
01:04:29,187 --> 01:04:31,146
I was like, "All right, cool.
1227
01:04:31,229 --> 01:04:32,521
Fine by me."
1228
01:04:32,604 --> 01:04:33,563
- At that point,
1229
01:04:33,646 --> 01:04:35,396
the government did not
replace him with anyone.
1230
01:04:35,479 --> 01:04:38,646
They just went forward
with Jill Bailey.
1231
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:40,604
- I didn't wanna deal with him
anymore anyway.
1232
01:04:40,688 --> 01:04:43,438
Jill was better and easier
to work with.
1233
01:04:43,521 --> 01:04:47,521
Jill was much more convincing
and appealing
1234
01:04:47,604 --> 01:04:49,229
from the standpoint
of having a partner.
1235
01:04:49,312 --> 01:04:50,771
She just had her shit
together better.
1236
01:04:58,146 --> 01:05:01,271
September 25th,
I flew up from Atlanta.
1237
01:05:02,646 --> 01:05:04,062
I'm supposed to meet Jill,
1238
01:05:04,146 --> 01:05:06,021
and Jeff is supposed
to be back.
1239
01:05:06,104 --> 01:05:08,521
Supposed to have this
"come to Jesus" meeting
1240
01:05:08,604 --> 01:05:10,730
with everyone
about the structure
1241
01:05:10,813 --> 01:05:12,563
and the budgets and the, uh--
1242
01:05:12,646 --> 01:05:14,980
the plans for the--
for the year.
1243
01:05:16,271 --> 01:05:17,312
I was late for the meeting.
1244
01:05:17,396 --> 01:05:20,688
The meeting was at the W Hotel
in Times Square.
1245
01:05:20,771 --> 01:05:24,354
So I go over to the hotel,
to W.
1246
01:05:24,438 --> 01:05:26,271
Jill's in the--
she comes down to the lobby
1247
01:05:26,354 --> 01:05:27,896
to get me, to bring me up.
1248
01:05:31,354 --> 01:05:33,771
So we go upstairs.
1249
01:05:33,855 --> 01:05:36,271
I walk into the suite,
1250
01:05:36,354 --> 01:05:38,938
and I see two guys
I've never seen.
1251
01:05:39,021 --> 01:05:40,229
I'm like, "This is strange."
1252
01:05:42,021 --> 01:05:43,146
We sit down.
1253
01:05:43,229 --> 01:05:44,396
I'm not saying anything
1254
01:05:44,479 --> 01:05:45,730
'cause I don't know
these dudes.
1255
01:05:45,813 --> 01:05:47,646
I'm thinking,
"Jeff is supposed to be here."
1256
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:48,896
He's not there.
1257
01:05:48,980 --> 01:05:50,896
I start talking about
some basketball players
1258
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,479
and maybe some games
in the NBA that just happened,
1259
01:05:53,563 --> 01:05:55,771
just trying to, you know,
have a normal convo
1260
01:05:55,855 --> 01:05:57,312
'cause I'm thinking
we're waiting for Jeff
1261
01:05:57,396 --> 01:06:00,646
to get there to talk about
the real business.
1262
01:06:03,271 --> 01:06:06,229
And then Jill
pulls out her badge.
1263
01:06:07,062 --> 01:06:10,146
She goes, "Christian,
I'm a undercover FBI agent,
1264
01:06:10,229 --> 01:06:12,438
and you can save yourself."
1265
01:06:12,521 --> 01:06:13,646
And I'm looking at her like,
1266
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:15,062
"What the fuck
are you talking about?"
1267
01:06:15,146 --> 01:06:16,229
So I start laughing.
1268
01:06:17,604 --> 01:06:19,813
She's like--like,
shaking her head like,
1269
01:06:19,896 --> 01:06:21,980
"No, I'm serious,"
like, "This is real."
1270
01:06:22,062 --> 01:06:25,146
I just said to her, like,
"Yo, you gotta be shitting me.
1271
01:06:25,229 --> 01:06:27,521
You're fucking lying."
1272
01:06:27,604 --> 01:06:29,146
At this point, in my head,
1273
01:06:29,229 --> 01:06:32,021
I go back to thinking about
the whole,
1274
01:06:32,104 --> 01:06:33,646
"This must be some
Uber-gate shit."
1275
01:06:33,730 --> 01:06:35,646
I'm, like,
trying to say to them,
1276
01:06:35,730 --> 01:06:38,771
"Listen,
the Uber thing wasn't me."
1277
01:06:38,855 --> 01:06:39,938
They're like, "No, we already--
1278
01:06:40,021 --> 01:06:41,604
Uber is the least
of our concerns."
1279
01:06:41,688 --> 01:06:43,604
"We already know
what the deal is there.
1280
01:06:43,688 --> 01:06:45,229
That's not
what we're here for."
1281
01:06:45,312 --> 01:06:46,521
So I'm looking at them like,
1282
01:06:46,604 --> 01:06:48,646
"What the fuck
are we here for then?"
1283
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:51,646
And they said, "You've done
a lot of shit that's illegal."
1284
01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:53,021
And then I'm like,
"I don't even--"
1285
01:06:53,104 --> 01:06:54,521
I basically was like,
"I don't even fucking believe
1286
01:06:54,604 --> 01:06:55,688
this is real."
1287
01:06:55,771 --> 01:06:57,396
It was a white guy
and a black guy and Jill.
1288
01:06:57,479 --> 01:07:00,187
The white guys
pulls out a computer...
1289
01:07:00,271 --> 01:07:02,771
and then he starts playing
phone calls of me.
1290
01:07:14,312 --> 01:07:16,062
This is the fucking FBI.
1291
01:07:17,646 --> 01:07:20,062
So I was like, "Okay, wha--
what y'all want?"
1292
01:07:20,146 --> 01:07:21,479
That's when Jill was like,
1293
01:07:21,563 --> 01:07:24,521
"Give us Rick Pitino
and Andy Miller,
1294
01:07:24,604 --> 01:07:28,062
and we'll--you'll be fine."
1295
01:07:31,187 --> 01:07:33,730
I had multiple phones
at the time.
1296
01:07:33,813 --> 01:07:34,896
On one of my phones,
1297
01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:36,604
Sean Miller happened
to be calling me.
1298
01:07:38,271 --> 01:07:41,438
When my phone rings,
their phone rings.
1299
01:07:41,521 --> 01:07:44,438
Like, that shit was, like,
duplicated, basically.
1300
01:07:44,521 --> 01:07:46,312
And I'm like, "Oh, shit.
1301
01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:49,271
This is--
can't be a coincidence."
1302
01:07:49,354 --> 01:07:52,021
They have my--like, my phone
is their phone, basically.
1303
01:07:53,312 --> 01:07:55,229
This shit is crazy.
1304
01:07:55,312 --> 01:07:59,062
And I said to them--I said,
"Okay, I'ma work with y'all."
1305
01:07:59,146 --> 01:08:01,563
I'm thinking I can say that
and just leave out the room.
1306
01:08:01,646 --> 01:08:02,896
I'm stupid.
1307
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:07,396
I basically tried to give them
Marty Blazer, people like that.
1308
01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:09,146
I'm like,
"I'll give you information
1309
01:08:09,229 --> 01:08:10,646
on how I feel about them."
1310
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:13,271
They was like, "We already know
that you don't like Marty.
1311
01:08:13,354 --> 01:08:15,229
That doesn't count.
It doesn't work."
1312
01:08:15,312 --> 01:08:16,938
And then, "We want the--
we want people like Rick
1313
01:08:17,021 --> 01:08:18,730
and Andy and Sean Miller."
1314
01:08:18,813 --> 01:08:20,771
At that point,
I start to stand up
1315
01:08:20,855 --> 01:08:21,980
'cause I needed
a fucking deep breath
1316
01:08:22,062 --> 01:08:23,062
'cause I'm like,
"This is really real.
1317
01:08:23,146 --> 01:08:25,896
They're going
to really try this shit."
1318
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:28,604
And so I said to them--
I stood up.
1319
01:08:28,688 --> 01:08:29,938
I said, like,
"What's gonna happen?"
1320
01:08:30,021 --> 01:08:32,271
I said, "I ca--I'm not gonna
actually go to jail
1321
01:08:32,354 --> 01:08:33,312
or anything like that."
1322
01:08:33,396 --> 01:08:34,771
And they're like,
"Well, who's to say?
1323
01:08:34,855 --> 01:08:36,604
It's not up to us.
It's up to the judge."
1324
01:08:36,688 --> 01:08:38,479
After that, I'm like,
"Oh, shit."
1325
01:08:38,563 --> 01:08:39,730
That's when I got, like, hot,
1326
01:08:39,813 --> 01:08:41,604
and fucking taking
my shirt off.
1327
01:08:41,688 --> 01:08:43,938
I was just so, like, hot.
1328
01:08:44,021 --> 01:08:45,730
I don't know how
to really describe it,
1329
01:08:45,813 --> 01:08:48,271
but I was like--
it was overwhelming.
1330
01:08:48,354 --> 01:08:49,604
Basically,
by the end of the meeting,
1331
01:08:49,688 --> 01:08:51,354
I'm in there
like a R&B singer,
1332
01:08:51,438 --> 01:08:54,104
like, shirt off
and just some jeans on.
1333
01:08:55,688 --> 01:08:56,813
And they were like,
"Listen, Christian,
1334
01:08:56,896 --> 01:08:58,021
"you gotta make a decision.
1335
01:08:58,104 --> 01:08:59,021
"If you gonna be with us,
1336
01:08:59,104 --> 01:09:00,271
"you need to start wearing
a wire now
1337
01:09:00,354 --> 01:09:01,354
"and start calling people now.
1338
01:09:01,438 --> 01:09:02,646
"We're gonna be here
all night.
1339
01:09:02,730 --> 01:09:05,187
You're either in or you out,
or you can get a lawyer."
1340
01:09:05,271 --> 01:09:06,980
So I said to them
I needed to get a lawyer.
1341
01:09:07,062 --> 01:09:09,021
And as soon as I said
I needed to get a lawyer...
1342
01:09:10,896 --> 01:09:13,146
The doors of the suite
just burst open.
1343
01:09:15,980 --> 01:09:18,479
The team that they send
to arrest criminals
1344
01:09:18,563 --> 01:09:20,312
that you would see on TV
1345
01:09:20,396 --> 01:09:23,646
or you seen in movies,
they all bust out the doors
1346
01:09:23,730 --> 01:09:25,021
and they've got real guns
pointed in my face.
1347
01:09:25,104 --> 01:09:26,271
At this point, I'm like,
1348
01:09:26,354 --> 01:09:27,771
"Well, they just gonna
fucking kill me," like,
1349
01:09:27,855 --> 01:09:29,938
"It's over.
I died 'cause of basketball."
1350
01:09:30,021 --> 01:09:32,855
It was multiple machine guns
in my face.
1351
01:09:32,938 --> 01:09:34,604
I just put my head down
'cause I'm like,
1352
01:09:34,688 --> 01:09:37,438
"You know, I don't wanna
see them shoot me."
1353
01:09:38,813 --> 01:09:40,187
I was beyond terrified
1354
01:09:40,271 --> 01:09:42,813
because I couldn't even
comprehend what was going on.
1355
01:09:42,896 --> 01:09:45,146
That morning,
I'm leaving Atlanta,
1356
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:47,688
thinking that we're having
a company meeting.
1357
01:09:47,771 --> 01:09:51,021
That afternoon,
I have machine guns in my face.
1358
01:09:51,104 --> 01:09:54,354
At that point,
they put the handcuffs on me.
1359
01:09:54,438 --> 01:09:55,896
And from there,
they basically was like,
1360
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:57,354
"Listen,
you can talk to your lawyer,
1361
01:09:57,438 --> 01:09:59,354
"and we can make
some kind of deal
1362
01:09:59,438 --> 01:10:01,187
and try to get you
out of this."
1363
01:10:01,271 --> 01:10:04,855
And at that point,
it kind of was what it was.
1364
01:10:07,271 --> 01:10:08,980
What happens next,
they was like,
1365
01:10:09,062 --> 01:10:11,855
"We gotta take you
closer to the courthouse,
1366
01:10:11,938 --> 01:10:14,021
"and it's gonna be--you gonna
be in a federal holding cell,
1367
01:10:14,104 --> 01:10:15,396
"where, like, you know,
some of the people
1368
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,187
that are in lockdown and other
situations like that are at."
1369
01:10:19,271 --> 01:10:21,062
So I'm like, "Okay,
that doesn't sound good."
1370
01:10:30,521 --> 01:10:32,980
So when I--when I go through
the process
1371
01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:35,229
of getting registered,
basically,
1372
01:10:35,312 --> 01:10:37,938
I'm in a room by myself
because they're trying to get
1373
01:10:38,021 --> 01:10:40,229
my situation ready
in the cell.
1374
01:10:40,312 --> 01:10:43,062
And then they fingerprinted me
and did their whole thing,
1375
01:10:43,146 --> 01:10:45,479
and then they take me
to the cell.
1376
01:10:46,813 --> 01:10:48,896
Where the cell was,
was, like, a long hallway.
1377
01:10:48,980 --> 01:10:51,229
When I went down--when I got
there, it was loud.
1378
01:10:51,312 --> 01:10:52,229
Like, you know, people were
1379
01:10:52,312 --> 01:10:54,104
talking and screaming
and shit.
1380
01:10:58,187 --> 01:11:00,229
So I'm like, "Okay,
this is gonna be fun."
1381
01:11:01,396 --> 01:11:02,938
They take me to the cell.
1382
01:11:03,021 --> 01:11:05,604
This is when I knew
shit was gonna be crazy, okay?
1383
01:11:05,688 --> 01:11:07,062
Um...
1384
01:11:07,146 --> 01:11:09,479
The dude I'm in a cell with...
1385
01:11:10,855 --> 01:11:13,938
The last thing I heard him say
to the guard,
1386
01:11:14,021 --> 01:11:15,646
"I'ma fucking kill you."
1387
01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:16,938
So in my head--
1388
01:11:17,021 --> 01:11:18,938
again, I've never been
in no situation like this.
1389
01:11:19,021 --> 01:11:20,938
I'm like, "If he gonna
fucking kill the guard,
1390
01:11:21,021 --> 01:11:23,229
"I'm--this shit is over with
for me.
1391
01:11:23,312 --> 01:11:24,980
I might as well
cancel Christmas."
1392
01:11:26,813 --> 01:11:29,604
I'm like, "I'm just
not gonna say nothing."
1393
01:11:29,688 --> 01:11:32,980
Maybe, like, a hour go by
of me just being quiet...
1394
01:11:33,062 --> 01:11:34,771
and eventually, he goes,
1395
01:11:34,855 --> 01:11:37,146
"What are you here for?"
1396
01:11:37,229 --> 01:11:39,521
So I told him.
1397
01:11:39,604 --> 01:11:41,938
He's like, "Yeah, no,
you here for something else.
1398
01:11:42,021 --> 01:11:43,980
"They didn't fucking
put you in here or arrest you
1399
01:11:44,062 --> 01:11:45,980
for paying
some basketball players."
1400
01:11:46,062 --> 01:11:47,396
I'm like, "I swear, bro."
1401
01:11:48,938 --> 01:11:50,521
I'm a curious person,
1402
01:11:50,604 --> 01:11:52,980
so I started to have
questions,
1403
01:11:53,062 --> 01:11:54,312
and I was like, you know,
1404
01:11:54,396 --> 01:11:55,813
"Who are some of the people
that's around?"
1405
01:11:55,896 --> 01:11:58,312
And then he was like,
"El Chapo's upstairs."
1406
01:11:58,396 --> 01:12:00,104
"What?"
1407
01:12:00,187 --> 01:12:01,813
And I'm thinking,
"Okay, how could I be
1408
01:12:01,896 --> 01:12:04,396
in the same vicinity
as El Chapo?"
1409
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,479
This cannot be real life
right now.
1410
01:12:07,563 --> 01:12:09,688
No disrespect to El Chapo
and what they got going on,
1411
01:12:09,771 --> 01:12:11,479
but now I gotta get
the fuck out of here.
1412
01:12:13,855 --> 01:12:16,312
And then maybe around
5:00 that morning,
1413
01:12:16,396 --> 01:12:18,104
they came to pick me up,
1414
01:12:18,187 --> 01:12:21,354
and I end up waiting
with the agents
1415
01:12:21,438 --> 01:12:25,062
to see the judge
to do arraignment.
1416
01:12:26,604 --> 01:12:27,813
- No.
1417
01:12:27,896 --> 01:12:30,187
Dude, this was some
third-world shit.
1418
01:12:30,271 --> 01:12:31,604
No phone call.
1419
01:12:31,688 --> 01:12:34,146
They did--I didn't even get
offered to get a phone call.
1420
01:12:35,771 --> 01:12:37,688
- When I got out, they--
I called--
1421
01:12:37,771 --> 01:12:39,021
I had a public defender
1422
01:12:39,104 --> 01:12:40,479
'cause I couldn't talk
to any lawyer.
1423
01:12:40,563 --> 01:12:41,855
So I had a public defender.
1424
01:12:41,938 --> 01:12:43,354
And when I got out,
I asked her.
1425
01:12:43,438 --> 01:12:45,229
I used her phone to, one,
1426
01:12:45,312 --> 01:12:49,396
see who else got arrested,
and, two, call my mom.
1427
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,354
- Hailee,
um, that's my daughter.
1428
01:12:51,438 --> 01:12:55,021
She said, "Mommy,
Christian's on the phone.
1429
01:12:55,104 --> 01:12:57,187
He can talk to you."
1430
01:12:57,271 --> 01:13:00,271
- The call to my mom
was the first time I had cried,
1431
01:13:00,354 --> 01:13:02,771
and the reason why
I cried was because
1432
01:13:02,855 --> 01:13:07,396
my sister was on the phone too,
and my sister can make me cry.
1433
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,730
And my mom basically is like,
1434
01:13:11,813 --> 01:13:13,563
"Stop fucking crying."
1435
01:13:13,646 --> 01:13:17,021
- So I told him, I said,
"Hey, Christian."
1436
01:13:17,104 --> 01:13:19,229
Um, "Did you kill someone?"
1437
01:13:19,312 --> 01:13:21,396
- "Did you hurt somebody?"
"No."
1438
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,396
- And I said,
"Did you rape someone?"
1439
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:24,438
He said, "No."
1440
01:13:24,521 --> 01:13:26,730
- "Did you do anything
to anybody?"
1441
01:13:26,813 --> 01:13:27,896
"No."
1442
01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:30,563
- "Did you steal from someone?"
- "No."
1443
01:13:30,646 --> 01:13:33,396
- I said, "Excuse my language.
1444
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,730
Suck it the fuck up
and you're coming home."
1445
01:13:36,813 --> 01:13:38,730
- "Don't let nobody see you
crying in here,
1446
01:13:38,813 --> 01:13:40,730
"go in there
in front of that judge,
1447
01:13:40,813 --> 01:13:43,980
plead not guilty,
and come home."
1448
01:13:44,062 --> 01:13:46,062
- And we hung up,
1449
01:13:46,146 --> 01:13:48,312
and he was home
later on that night.
1450
01:14:02,312 --> 01:14:04,563
- Good afternoon.
My name is Joon Kim.
1451
01:14:04,646 --> 01:14:06,187
I'm the acting
United States attorney
1452
01:14:06,271 --> 01:14:08,438
for the Southern District
of New York.
1453
01:14:08,521 --> 01:14:12,688
Today, we announce charges
of fraud and corruption
1454
01:14:12,771 --> 01:14:14,938
in the world of
college basketball.
1455
01:14:15,021 --> 01:14:16,479
- I learned Christian
was arrested.
1456
01:14:16,563 --> 01:14:17,980
I was sitting in my office,
1457
01:14:18,062 --> 01:14:21,980
and I get a phone call
from Christian's father.
1458
01:14:22,062 --> 01:14:24,021
And he's just screaming
in the phone,
1459
01:14:24,104 --> 01:14:26,938
"Turn on ESPN!
You're not gonna believe it."
1460
01:14:27,021 --> 01:14:29,312
And I've known Lou
for a long time,
1461
01:14:29,396 --> 01:14:32,104
and I've never heard Lou
in such a state of panic.
1462
01:14:32,187 --> 01:14:33,980
So I turned on ESPN.
1463
01:14:34,062 --> 01:14:35,354
I was watching
the press conference,
1464
01:14:35,438 --> 01:14:39,021
and I saw the diagram
and I see Christian's name.
1465
01:14:39,104 --> 01:14:40,312
And I didn't even know
at that point
1466
01:14:40,396 --> 01:14:41,980
what it was about.
1467
01:14:42,062 --> 01:14:45,312
- Coaches at some
of the nation's top programs
1468
01:14:45,396 --> 01:14:48,521
soliciting and accepting
cash bribes.
1469
01:14:48,604 --> 01:14:51,813
Managers and financial advisors
1470
01:14:51,896 --> 01:14:54,479
circling blue-chip prospects
like coyotes.
1471
01:14:54,563 --> 01:14:57,187
Dawkins was
an athlete recruiter
1472
01:14:57,271 --> 01:14:59,521
for a sports agency
1473
01:14:59,604 --> 01:15:00,980
who was trying
to start his own
1474
01:15:01,062 --> 01:15:02,646
sports management business.
1475
01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:03,855
- You know, at the time,
1476
01:15:03,938 --> 01:15:06,229
the press conference
was pretty impressive.
1477
01:15:06,312 --> 01:15:07,521
You know,
I was thinking, "Wow.
1478
01:15:07,604 --> 01:15:08,688
"They're gonna
do something here.
1479
01:15:08,771 --> 01:15:11,187
They're gonna--they're gonna
really get some people."
1480
01:15:11,271 --> 01:15:13,479
- The madness of
college basketball
1481
01:15:13,563 --> 01:15:15,980
went well beyond
the big dance in March.
1482
01:15:16,062 --> 01:15:18,396
Month after month,
1483
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,312
the defendants exploited
the hoop dreams
1484
01:15:21,396 --> 01:15:23,688
of student-athletes
around the country,
1485
01:15:23,771 --> 01:15:26,980
allegedly treating them
as little more
1486
01:15:27,062 --> 01:15:29,521
than opportunities
to enrich themselves
1487
01:15:29,604 --> 01:15:32,354
through bribery
and fraud schemes.
1488
01:15:32,438 --> 01:15:33,521
- First time I heard about it
was, like,
1489
01:15:33,604 --> 01:15:35,563
a quiet September morning.
1490
01:15:35,646 --> 01:15:38,021
Southern District of New York
announces
1491
01:15:38,104 --> 01:15:40,479
the arrest of ten men,
1492
01:15:40,563 --> 01:15:44,021
including four active college
basketball coaches
1493
01:15:44,104 --> 01:15:47,021
for bribery and fraud,
1494
01:15:47,104 --> 01:15:49,688
and that was a bombshell.
1495
01:15:49,771 --> 01:15:52,187
- After I was arrested,
Book Richardson was arrested,
1496
01:15:52,271 --> 01:15:54,730
Lamont Evans was arrested,
Tony Bland was arrested,
1497
01:15:54,813 --> 01:15:57,771
Merl Code was arrested,
Jim Gatto was arrested,
1498
01:15:57,855 --> 01:15:59,438
Munish Sood was arrested.
1499
01:15:59,521 --> 01:16:02,396
I mean, ran up in they house,
kicked they doors down.
1500
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,563
Someone was in the shower,
pulled them out the shower,
1501
01:16:05,646 --> 01:16:06,771
you know, arrested them
1502
01:16:06,855 --> 01:16:08,354
in front of they kids,
they family.
1503
01:16:08,438 --> 01:16:10,896
- And so you said,
"How big could this get
1504
01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:12,271
if this is what they're doing?"
1505
01:16:12,354 --> 01:16:14,396
- The FBI is charging
ten people
1506
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,354
with fraud and corruption
in college basketball.
1507
01:16:17,438 --> 01:16:19,396
- Well, this extensive
FBI investigation
1508
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,771
might as well be
right out of a movie:
1509
01:16:21,855 --> 01:16:24,563
wiretaps, undercover agents,
and informants.
1510
01:16:24,646 --> 01:16:26,438
- The FBI is involved,
1511
01:16:26,521 --> 01:16:28,062
and they're going after
everybody.
1512
01:16:28,146 --> 01:16:29,271
- I think it'll be
the biggest scandal
1513
01:16:29,354 --> 01:16:30,730
in the history
of college basketball.
1514
01:16:30,813 --> 01:16:31,938
It could be one of
the biggest scandals
1515
01:16:32,021 --> 01:16:33,730
we've ever seen in sports.
1516
01:16:33,813 --> 01:16:36,438
- You know, probably
the one thing I remember
1517
01:16:36,521 --> 01:16:38,938
from the press conference
more than anything was,
1518
01:16:39,021 --> 01:16:40,271
"We got your playbook."
1519
01:16:40,354 --> 01:16:43,229
- Today's arrests should serve
as a warning to others
1520
01:16:43,312 --> 01:16:44,813
choosing to conduct business
this way
1521
01:16:44,896 --> 01:16:46,813
in the world
of college athletics.
1522
01:16:46,896 --> 01:16:48,646
We have your playbook.
1523
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:51,104
- I knew having been
a prosecutor,
1524
01:16:51,187 --> 01:16:52,896
you're not gonna make
a statement like that
1525
01:16:52,980 --> 01:16:55,688
unless you probably got
something to back it up.
1526
01:16:57,187 --> 01:16:58,229
- I mean, the Southern
District of New York
1527
01:16:58,312 --> 01:17:00,980
is known for, you know,
bringing the high pro--
1528
01:17:01,062 --> 01:17:02,938
highest profile cases
that exist in America.
1529
01:17:03,021 --> 01:17:04,479
They don't--they don't
charge anything
1530
01:17:04,563 --> 01:17:06,271
unless politically,
1531
01:17:06,354 --> 01:17:08,604
they're gonna make
an example of somebody.
1532
01:17:08,688 --> 01:17:10,146
- You know, the Southern
District of New York,
1533
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:12,438
they call themselves--
or the joke is that they're,
1534
01:17:12,521 --> 01:17:14,312
"the Sovereign District
of New York," you know?
1535
01:17:14,396 --> 01:17:17,354
Even if cases aren't
specifically in Manhattan,
1536
01:17:17,438 --> 01:17:19,813
they sort of see the world
as their canvas.
1537
01:17:19,896 --> 01:17:21,479
- They don't lose.
1538
01:17:21,563 --> 01:17:23,563
They don't make mistakes.
1539
01:17:23,646 --> 01:17:25,980
These are very,
very smart people.
1540
01:17:26,062 --> 01:17:29,146
- They wanted to make
an example of what
1541
01:17:29,229 --> 01:17:31,187
they thought was the problem
with college basketball.
1542
01:17:31,271 --> 01:17:33,479
- Christian was--was portrayed
1543
01:17:33,563 --> 01:17:35,813
as sort of the centerpiece
of this whole thing.
1544
01:17:35,896 --> 01:17:39,021
He was the one they went after
as, "Here's our kingpin."
1545
01:17:39,104 --> 01:17:40,813
- He was somebody
that the government
1546
01:17:40,896 --> 01:17:42,396
could point a finger at
and say, "See?
1547
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:43,938
"That's what
we're talking about.
1548
01:17:44,021 --> 01:17:46,479
"This is what's wrong
with college basketball--
1549
01:17:46,563 --> 01:17:48,813
that guy, Christian Dawkins."
1550
01:17:48,896 --> 01:17:50,312
- It's kind of crazy when
you think of it like that,
1551
01:17:50,396 --> 01:17:53,104
like, everything
was centered around me
1552
01:17:53,187 --> 01:17:55,187
like I invented all this shit.
1553
01:17:55,271 --> 01:17:58,229
The paying players has been
going on for a hundred years.
1554
01:17:58,312 --> 01:17:59,521
Okay?
1555
01:17:59,604 --> 01:18:01,521
So that's not something
that's brand new.
1556
01:18:01,604 --> 01:18:04,312
- Anybody who knows anything
about college basketball
1557
01:18:04,396 --> 01:18:07,730
or this world knows if they are
gonna arrest four guys,
1558
01:18:07,813 --> 01:18:11,146
they could arrest 40,
they could arrest 80.
1559
01:18:11,229 --> 01:18:14,187
If you have
the right middle person,
1560
01:18:14,271 --> 01:18:16,896
the right AAU coach,
the right runner,
1561
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:20,187
the right whatever who says,
"I'll tell you everything,
1562
01:18:20,271 --> 01:18:22,187
"and I'll make a plea deal
1563
01:18:22,271 --> 01:18:25,187
that can implicate
who knows how many people."
1564
01:18:27,312 --> 01:18:31,187
- My initial conversation with
the U.S. Attorney's office
1565
01:18:31,271 --> 01:18:35,062
was about Rick Pitino,
specifically.
1566
01:18:35,146 --> 01:18:37,438
- Rick's name--
when they arrested me,
1567
01:18:37,521 --> 01:18:40,396
they said to me very clearly
in no uncertain terms,
1568
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,396
"We want you to give us
Rick Pitino."
1569
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,938
They gave me the opportunity
to work with them,
1570
01:18:45,021 --> 01:18:48,062
wear a wire, fucking not have
to go to prison,
1571
01:18:48,146 --> 01:18:49,438
no--not even be charged,
1572
01:18:49,521 --> 01:18:53,229
and just give them
Pitino and Andy.
1573
01:18:53,312 --> 01:18:58,730
- Their interest
in Christian cooperating was...
1574
01:18:58,813 --> 01:19:00,896
Tha--I think was
the whole plan
1575
01:19:00,980 --> 01:19:02,688
of how they were gonna
bring things down
1576
01:19:02,771 --> 01:19:05,021
and how this case
was gonna blow up into
1577
01:19:05,104 --> 01:19:07,521
what they professed it would be
at the press conference.
1578
01:19:10,354 --> 01:19:11,521
- We're pretty confident.
1579
01:19:11,604 --> 01:19:13,104
- You know, my understanding
of the conviction rate
1580
01:19:13,187 --> 01:19:14,521
with the Southern District
of New York is,
1581
01:19:14,604 --> 01:19:17,104
you know, 95 to 97%.
1582
01:19:17,187 --> 01:19:19,146
- I was fully prepared
to fight.
1583
01:19:19,229 --> 01:19:22,438
We admitted from day one,
we did--we paid the players.
1584
01:19:22,521 --> 01:19:23,980
There's no point
in hiding that.
1585
01:19:24,062 --> 01:19:25,521
It's not illegal.
1586
01:19:25,604 --> 01:19:28,104
There's no law in the world
that says
1587
01:19:28,187 --> 01:19:31,521
breaking a NCAA rule
is a federal felony.
1588
01:19:31,604 --> 01:19:32,771
There's no law that says that.
1589
01:19:32,855 --> 01:19:35,438
They twisted the law
to make it fit.
1590
01:19:35,521 --> 01:19:37,271
- When Christian refused
to cooperate,
1591
01:19:37,354 --> 01:19:40,021
they became laser-focused
on punishing him.
1592
01:19:43,855 --> 01:19:45,771
- I was charged
with wire fraud,
1593
01:19:45,855 --> 01:19:47,187
honest services fraud,
1594
01:19:47,271 --> 01:19:48,938
conspiracy to commit
wire fraud.
1595
01:19:49,021 --> 01:19:50,104
I think we had
money laundering
1596
01:19:50,187 --> 01:19:51,896
at one point on there.
1597
01:19:51,980 --> 01:19:54,771
I was charged with bribery.
Dude, it was so much shit.
1598
01:19:54,855 --> 01:19:57,438
My maximum sentence
was 200 years.
1599
01:19:57,521 --> 01:20:00,062
I was like, "Yeah, no,
this can't be real."
1600
01:20:03,771 --> 01:20:06,813
I'll put it like this.
1601
01:20:06,896 --> 01:20:08,938
After we were charged,
I go to the ATM.
1602
01:20:09,021 --> 01:20:12,229
I put my ATM card
in the machine, and it ate it.
1603
01:20:14,021 --> 01:20:15,813
Fucking card
didn't come back out.
1604
01:20:15,896 --> 01:20:17,604
I never seen nothing
like that before.
1605
01:20:17,688 --> 01:20:19,187
So that's really
what I got by with,
1606
01:20:19,271 --> 01:20:20,646
was money I just had
around my house.
1607
01:20:20,730 --> 01:20:23,146
All my bank accounts
were irrelevant.
1608
01:20:23,229 --> 01:20:25,646
I had, you know, at home,
1609
01:20:25,730 --> 01:20:28,396
close to 90,000.
1610
01:20:30,813 --> 01:20:33,730
- Yeah, I had saved up money.
1611
01:20:38,062 --> 01:20:40,187
I had some money saved,
1612
01:20:40,271 --> 01:20:41,730
and luckily, I did.
1613
01:20:41,813 --> 01:20:42,730
If I didn't have that,
1614
01:20:42,813 --> 01:20:44,396
I would have been
fucking screwed.
1615
01:20:45,813 --> 01:20:48,563
- All of it--most of
that money was FBI money.
1616
01:20:48,646 --> 01:20:50,521
If it wasn't for them
having that dumbass idea
1617
01:20:50,604 --> 01:20:52,521
to pay coaches,
I wouldn't have any money
1618
01:20:52,604 --> 01:20:54,229
to pay my attorneys
and to live off of.
1619
01:20:54,312 --> 01:20:55,688
I would have had nothing.
1620
01:20:58,563 --> 01:20:59,896
- As I'm looking at this
evidence with Christian,
1621
01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:03,312
it's very difficult to do
because there's so much of it.
1622
01:21:03,396 --> 01:21:07,021
So I learned then that
they had wiretapped his phone,
1623
01:21:07,104 --> 01:21:08,187
not for, like, a day...
1624
01:21:08,271 --> 01:21:10,354
For, like, three months.
1625
01:21:10,438 --> 01:21:11,646
So I said to Christian,
1626
01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:13,855
"Would you be concerned
about anything
1627
01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:16,187
"that they would hear you
talking about on your phone
1628
01:21:16,271 --> 01:21:17,354
"for the periods of time
1629
01:21:17,438 --> 01:21:20,896
of June 2017
through September?"
1630
01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:23,730
And he said, "If they got
my phone, I'm fucked."
1631
01:21:25,187 --> 01:21:27,062
You know, so at that point,
1632
01:21:27,146 --> 01:21:29,938
I realized this was probably
gonna be a tough case.
1633
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,771
You know, we made a decision
that no matter how painful,
1634
01:21:33,855 --> 01:21:36,896
no matter how expensive,
we were gonna have a trial,
1635
01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:40,187
two of them, if necessary,
and we did.
1636
01:21:45,312 --> 01:21:49,730
- The first trial was
for defrauding universities.
1637
01:21:49,813 --> 01:21:50,896
It was a fraud trial.
1638
01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:53,896
- It was a two-count
wire fraud case,
1639
01:21:53,980 --> 01:21:56,563
and it was honest--
honest services as well,
1640
01:21:56,646 --> 01:22:00,938
um, that the schools were
victimized by the conduct.
1641
01:22:01,021 --> 01:22:04,730
And Louisville
was professed to be
1642
01:22:04,813 --> 01:22:06,312
the, uh--the victim
in that case.
1643
01:22:06,396 --> 01:22:09,229
- Codefendants in that case
were Merl Code and Jim Gatto.
1644
01:22:10,688 --> 01:22:11,771
Jim Gatto was the person
1645
01:22:11,855 --> 01:22:14,229
who did the deals
for NBA players with Adidas.
1646
01:22:14,312 --> 01:22:16,271
Jim Gatto was
Merl Code's boss.
1647
01:22:16,354 --> 01:22:18,146
Jim Gatto's
a unbelievable person,
1648
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:19,896
obviously,
was loyal to Adidas,
1649
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:22,104
had been at Adidas
for 20-something years,
1650
01:22:22,187 --> 01:22:24,396
and was trying to help
one of his flagship schools.
1651
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,312
- The first case
was a slam dunk,
1652
01:22:26,396 --> 01:22:27,980
factual case
for the government.
1653
01:22:28,062 --> 01:22:30,062
There was no way
we could defend factually
1654
01:22:30,146 --> 01:22:32,312
what happened
with Christian Dawkins
1655
01:22:32,396 --> 01:22:33,563
and Bowen family.
1656
01:22:35,271 --> 01:22:37,604
- I had a relationship
with Brian Bowen Jr.
1657
01:22:37,688 --> 01:22:40,563
and his family dating back to
when he was in middle school.
1658
01:22:40,646 --> 01:22:44,021
He played for
my Dorian's Pride AAU Team.
1659
01:22:44,104 --> 01:22:47,479
I was providing benefits,
or resources,
1660
01:22:47,563 --> 01:22:50,146
to the family off and on
1661
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:52,438
from early
in his high school career.
1662
01:22:52,521 --> 01:22:56,438
Brian Bowen's father
100% made it very clear to me
1663
01:22:56,521 --> 01:22:59,479
he's not going to school
if he doesn't get paid.
1664
01:22:59,563 --> 01:23:01,187
And when he made the decision
to go to Louisville,
1665
01:23:01,271 --> 01:23:04,312
at that point, yes,
I did step in and try to,
1666
01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:09,229
um, create some level
of assistance.
1667
01:23:09,312 --> 01:23:12,479
The family's supposed
to receive $100,000.
1668
01:23:12,563 --> 01:23:16,855
- Brian Bowen's father,
under oath, federal court,
1669
01:23:16,938 --> 01:23:19,146
said, "Oklahoma State:
1670
01:23:19,229 --> 01:23:23,271
"150,000, car, a house.
1671
01:23:23,354 --> 01:23:26,312
Creighton: $100,000."
1672
01:23:26,396 --> 01:23:29,354
Oregon was
a astronomical number.
1673
01:23:29,438 --> 01:23:31,688
Arizona--hundreds--tens,
1674
01:23:31,771 --> 01:23:33,146
hundreds,
thousand dollars out there.
1675
01:23:33,229 --> 01:23:34,146
Some of these schools
aren't even
1676
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:35,646
big-time basketball programs.
1677
01:23:35,730 --> 01:23:37,229
Creighton...
1678
01:23:38,563 --> 01:23:39,938
This is what
these kids are worth.
1679
01:23:40,021 --> 01:23:41,396
- The University
of Louisville's Rick Pitino,
1680
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,021
one of the winningest coaches
in college basketball history,
1681
01:23:44,104 --> 01:23:47,229
effectively fired today
amid an FBI investigation
1682
01:23:47,312 --> 01:23:48,521
that has exposed
what looks like
1683
01:23:48,604 --> 01:23:51,062
the dark underbelly
of the NCAA.
1684
01:23:51,146 --> 01:23:53,771
- The only reason why
the FBI even knows
1685
01:23:53,855 --> 01:23:56,855
or could prove anything
was because fucking...
1686
01:23:56,938 --> 01:23:58,396
Adidas was late on the money.
1687
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,855
I had to figure out a way
to get the father
1688
01:24:00,938 --> 01:24:02,980
what was promised him.
1689
01:24:03,062 --> 01:24:06,187
And I went to Jeff D'Angelo,
1690
01:24:06,271 --> 01:24:08,396
and he was like,
"I'll put up the money."
1691
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,730
And at that point, obviously,
that's FBI money.
1692
01:24:10,813 --> 01:24:13,062
They knew what was happening.
They had a paper trail.
1693
01:24:13,146 --> 01:24:14,980
And they wrapped everything
into it that way.
1694
01:24:25,563 --> 01:24:28,896
- If Adidas just does
the shit quicker
1695
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:31,229
or if Brian Sr.
doesn't need the money
1696
01:24:31,312 --> 01:24:33,146
that bad at that time,
1697
01:24:33,229 --> 01:24:35,688
there's no way
they would have even known.
1698
01:24:35,771 --> 01:24:37,896
It just was a bunch
of bad luck.
1699
01:24:37,980 --> 01:24:41,062
- The defense never denied
that the money got paid out.
1700
01:24:41,146 --> 01:24:43,062
- And there's no way
to deny that because
1701
01:24:43,146 --> 01:24:44,479
there were
cooperating witnesses
1702
01:24:44,563 --> 01:24:46,896
who actually made
the money transfer.
1703
01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:48,896
They gave the guy the money.
1704
01:24:49,021 --> 01:24:51,146
- Muni Sood cooperated
with the government,
1705
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:53,104
provided testimony
against Christian Dawkins
1706
01:24:53,187 --> 01:24:55,479
and Merl Code.
1707
01:24:55,563 --> 01:24:58,146
- They call back the verdict.
1708
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:59,688
We lose.
1709
01:25:06,396 --> 01:25:08,938
- He got six months,
was the sentence,
1710
01:25:09,021 --> 01:25:10,771
which we appealed,
1711
01:25:10,855 --> 01:25:13,438
which allowed him
to be out on an appeal bond,
1712
01:25:13,521 --> 01:25:15,938
awaiting a decision
to see if we have a right
1713
01:25:16,021 --> 01:25:18,271
to a new trial because
it was such a unique case
1714
01:25:18,354 --> 01:25:20,271
that had never been
really tried before
1715
01:25:20,354 --> 01:25:21,396
in the history of the country.
1716
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:22,813
- A legal precedent
has been set.
1717
01:25:22,896 --> 01:25:24,980
In theory, they're saying,
1718
01:25:25,062 --> 01:25:28,438
"If you cause an athlete
to no longer be eligible
1719
01:25:28,521 --> 01:25:31,438
for his scholarship,
you've defrauded a school,"
1720
01:25:31,521 --> 01:25:33,980
which is a felony now,
a federal felony.
1721
01:25:34,062 --> 01:25:36,813
Now that could mean any booster
1722
01:25:36,896 --> 01:25:39,604
that gives any money
to an athlete.
1723
01:25:39,688 --> 01:25:42,813
That could be
the local pizza shop,
1724
01:25:42,896 --> 01:25:45,146
when the kid comes in
and he's the star quarterback,
1725
01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:46,855
and say,
"Here's a free slice of pizza."
1726
01:25:46,938 --> 01:25:48,771
You've now made
these players ineligible.
1727
01:25:48,855 --> 01:25:52,479
Have you just defrauded
this massive university?
1728
01:25:52,563 --> 01:25:53,813
I don't know.
1729
01:25:53,896 --> 01:25:56,771
- If was giving that same money
to a professional player,
1730
01:25:56,855 --> 01:25:58,479
it's totally fine.
1731
01:25:58,563 --> 01:26:00,146
But if I was giving that money
to someone
1732
01:26:00,229 --> 01:26:01,479
who was in high school,
1733
01:26:01,563 --> 01:26:03,896
who just didn't
go to college,
1734
01:26:03,980 --> 01:26:05,438
who just was like,
"I'm not going to the NCAA.
1735
01:26:05,521 --> 01:26:07,813
I'ma go to the D-League,"
it's totally fine.
1736
01:26:07,896 --> 01:26:10,021
But just because someone wants
to play basketball in college,
1737
01:26:10,104 --> 01:26:11,479
it's wire fraud?
1738
01:26:11,563 --> 01:26:13,813
It does--that doesn't even
make common sense to me.
1739
01:26:13,896 --> 01:26:17,021
- But it's also crazy
when Louisville
1740
01:26:17,104 --> 01:26:19,354
pretty undeniably
is one of the dirtiest,
1741
01:26:19,438 --> 01:26:21,312
most noncompliant schools
1742
01:26:21,396 --> 01:26:23,521
in the history
of college basketball.
1743
01:26:23,604 --> 01:26:26,354
- Yeah, this was not
Louisville's first
1744
01:26:26,438 --> 01:26:29,187
NCAA infractions rodeo.
1745
01:26:29,271 --> 01:26:32,521
They've been down this path
a few times.
1746
01:26:32,604 --> 01:26:35,021
- I am beyond pissed off
that government
1747
01:26:35,104 --> 01:26:39,521
is implying that
we victimized a university,
1748
01:26:39,604 --> 01:26:40,688
and in my particular case,
1749
01:26:40,771 --> 01:26:43,855
a university that just
had came off of a...
1750
01:26:43,938 --> 01:26:47,021
whore scandal on campus.
1751
01:26:47,104 --> 01:26:49,521
- The University of Louisville
men's basketball team
1752
01:26:49,604 --> 01:26:51,354
isn't commenting
on allegations
1753
01:26:51,438 --> 01:26:54,896
that the team provided escorts
to have sex with recruits.
1754
01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:56,730
- Tina Powell says
she brought girls
1755
01:26:56,813 --> 01:26:58,396
to perform
at Billy Minardi Hall
1756
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,229
22 times
between 2010 and 2014.
1757
01:27:02,312 --> 01:27:06,563
- That, obviously, is frowned
upon by the NCAA rule book.
1758
01:27:06,646 --> 01:27:08,604
- No one got fired.
1759
01:27:08,688 --> 01:27:11,021
Fuck charged and with felonies.
1760
01:27:11,104 --> 01:27:14,396
No one even got
a slap on the wrist.
1761
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,688
Yeah, you take down
a national championship banner.
1762
01:27:16,771 --> 01:27:20,062
Okay, they still won
a national championship, bro.
1763
01:27:20,146 --> 01:27:22,271
If you can survive
a whore scandal,
1764
01:27:22,354 --> 01:27:23,771
you can survive anything.
1765
01:27:23,855 --> 01:27:25,312
If this was Cleveland State,
1766
01:27:25,396 --> 01:27:27,062
the fucking whole team
would be done.
1767
01:27:27,146 --> 01:27:29,730
This was--if this was
Western Michigan,
1768
01:27:29,813 --> 01:27:31,813
the whole program
would be out of here.
1769
01:27:31,896 --> 01:27:33,730
And they would try to--
the NCAA would try to
1770
01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:36,146
save face by punishing
someone like that,
1771
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:38,479
but they're not gonna
fucking punish the real schools
1772
01:27:38,563 --> 01:27:40,938
'cause they make too much money
off of them.
1773
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:44,396
These are sponsorship deals
1774
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,938
that the different
shoe companies have
1775
01:27:47,021 --> 01:27:48,604
with particular colleges.
1776
01:27:48,688 --> 01:27:50,688
You have UCLA
and Under Armour,
1777
01:27:50,771 --> 01:27:53,062
there's $280 million,
which is ridiculous.
1778
01:27:53,146 --> 01:27:55,813
Ohio State,
football school, mainly,
1779
01:27:55,896 --> 01:27:58,438
but also is a pretty big-time
basketball program.
1780
01:27:58,521 --> 01:28:01,730
They bringing in
$252 million with Nike.
1781
01:28:01,813 --> 01:28:02,980
Texas and Nike,
1782
01:28:03,062 --> 01:28:05,312
they're bringing in
$250 million.
1783
01:28:05,396 --> 01:28:07,062
Kansas and Adidas...
1784
01:28:07,146 --> 01:28:08,938
Kansas was, obviously,
one of the schools involved
1785
01:28:09,021 --> 01:28:12,730
in our trial who was allegedly
a victim of getting
1786
01:28:12,813 --> 01:28:14,563
really good players
from Adidas,
1787
01:28:14,646 --> 01:28:17,146
who was giving them
$191 million.
1788
01:28:17,229 --> 01:28:20,938
Michigan and Nike,
they're at $173 million.
1789
01:28:21,021 --> 01:28:22,980
And then you have Louisville.
1790
01:28:23,062 --> 01:28:25,187
Adidas gave Louisville
$160 million,
1791
01:28:25,271 --> 01:28:28,688
and we allegedly
defrauded them with Adidas
1792
01:28:28,771 --> 01:28:31,604
out of a scholarship valued--
I don't know--a couple--
1793
01:28:31,688 --> 01:28:33,604
I mean, a hundred grand or so.
1794
01:28:33,688 --> 01:28:36,312
So that's the crime
that we committed.
1795
01:28:36,396 --> 01:28:39,604
- Louisville takes
$165 million from Adidas
1796
01:28:39,688 --> 01:28:42,646
and then pretends
they don't work for Adidas.
1797
01:28:42,730 --> 01:28:46,438
Someone gives you $165 million,
you work for them.
1798
01:28:46,521 --> 01:28:48,271
That's how it is.
1799
01:28:48,354 --> 01:28:50,688
You know, you can't
possibly be the victim
1800
01:28:50,771 --> 01:28:53,312
of someone giving you
$165 million
1801
01:28:53,396 --> 01:28:56,438
and great basketball players
for your team.
1802
01:28:59,146 --> 01:29:02,521
- Second trial was derivative
of pretty much just bribery.
1803
01:29:02,604 --> 01:29:04,312
Everything derived
out of the bribery
1804
01:29:04,396 --> 01:29:07,271
of Christian giving
coaches money.
1805
01:29:07,354 --> 01:29:10,354
And the whole real premise
of that second case
1806
01:29:10,438 --> 01:29:13,521
was that by doing so,
the schools were victimized
1807
01:29:13,604 --> 01:29:17,896
by Christian and the coaches
for fraud, basically,
1808
01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:21,021
that the schools were harmed
as a result of that
1809
01:29:21,104 --> 01:29:23,187
interaction between
Christian and the coaches.
1810
01:29:23,271 --> 01:29:26,146
Our defense was a lot
of what the government
1811
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:28,187
said happened did not happen,
1812
01:29:28,271 --> 01:29:31,021
and we believed
we had evidence of that.
1813
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,479
Chronologically,
we have these phone calls.
1814
01:29:38,563 --> 01:29:41,021
We started seeing
a different picture
1815
01:29:41,104 --> 01:29:44,229
that wasn't necessarily being
portrayed by the government.
1816
01:29:44,312 --> 01:29:46,771
And I call Christian up,
and I'm saying,
1817
01:29:46,855 --> 01:29:49,354
"Dude, is--
am I hearing this right?
1818
01:29:49,438 --> 01:29:51,312
"You literally told
the FBI agent,
1819
01:29:51,396 --> 01:29:53,229
"who you didn't know
was an FBI agent,
1820
01:29:53,312 --> 01:29:54,730
"that you wanted to take
the money
1821
01:29:54,813 --> 01:29:57,229
and not give it to the coaches,
but go get some hookers"?
1822
01:29:57,312 --> 01:29:58,604
"I know.
I--I shouldn't have said that."
1823
01:29:58,688 --> 01:30:00,354
I said,
"It's good you said that."
1824
01:30:00,438 --> 01:30:03,312
Because we felt that if that
played out in open court,
1825
01:30:03,396 --> 01:30:06,104
we had the potential
of embarrassment.
1826
01:30:06,187 --> 01:30:07,396
And one thing we knew about
1827
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,396
the Southern District
of New York,
1828
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:09,730
they don't like embarrassing.
1829
01:30:12,271 --> 01:30:14,438
- When you looked at it,
you said,
1830
01:30:14,521 --> 01:30:17,438
"We're--we have the wrong guys
on trial."
1831
01:30:17,521 --> 01:30:21,229
Marty Blazer is a person
who stole money
1832
01:30:21,312 --> 01:30:25,771
testifying against two guys
who gave people money.
1833
01:30:25,855 --> 01:30:29,187
We sat there and watched
Marty Blazer testify.
1834
01:30:29,271 --> 01:30:31,771
I believe it took half a day
to go through
1835
01:30:31,855 --> 01:30:36,271
all of the various crimes,
schemes, and lies
1836
01:30:36,354 --> 01:30:39,187
that Marty Blazer
was involved with.
1837
01:30:39,271 --> 01:30:41,438
- Marty Blazer's testimony
was four days long.
1838
01:30:41,521 --> 01:30:44,604
It was a whole week
of nothing but,
1839
01:30:44,688 --> 01:30:47,438
"I wore recordings.
This is what Christian did."
1840
01:30:47,521 --> 01:30:49,604
It was nothing but Marty Blazer
1841
01:30:49,688 --> 01:30:51,980
doing everything
he possibly could
1842
01:30:52,062 --> 01:30:55,438
to show the government
that he substantially complied,
1843
01:30:55,521 --> 01:30:57,479
right, as part of
his cooperation agreement--
1844
01:30:57,563 --> 01:30:58,771
that's the language in it--
1845
01:30:58,855 --> 01:31:01,604
and for that substantial
compliance and assistance
1846
01:31:01,688 --> 01:31:04,813
in seeing Christian Dawkins
convicted and prosecuted,
1847
01:31:04,896 --> 01:31:06,938
that he then could avoid
going to prison.
1848
01:31:07,021 --> 01:31:10,229
I mean, is that a fair system?
I would say probably not.
1849
01:31:13,271 --> 01:31:14,938
- Marty Blazer should--
yeah, he should--
1850
01:31:15,021 --> 01:31:16,479
probably should go to prison.
1851
01:31:16,563 --> 01:31:17,938
He should probably go.
1852
01:31:18,021 --> 01:31:19,479
He's stealing that much money
to do a movie,
1853
01:31:19,563 --> 01:31:21,604
and it was a shit movie
on top of that?
1854
01:31:21,688 --> 01:31:23,980
That--
you should go to prison, bro.
1855
01:31:24,062 --> 01:31:26,980
Marty Blazer's an idiot.
1856
01:31:27,062 --> 01:31:28,980
- The biggest surprise for me
1857
01:31:29,062 --> 01:31:33,646
was finding the conduct
of the FBI.
1858
01:31:33,730 --> 01:31:36,563
- I found out
that the FBI agents
1859
01:31:36,646 --> 01:31:41,021
were accused of--
or alleged to have stole money
1860
01:31:41,104 --> 01:31:42,980
from the investigation
1861
01:31:43,062 --> 01:31:45,438
via the "The Wall Street
Journal" article.
1862
01:31:45,521 --> 01:31:47,479
- Somebody involved
1863
01:31:47,563 --> 01:31:51,855
gave me kind of a nudge
to look into,
1864
01:31:51,938 --> 01:31:53,646
you know, something
had happened in Las Vegas.
1865
01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:56,062
I was told to pay attention
to some court filings
1866
01:31:56,146 --> 01:31:58,187
that were coming out
that would
1867
01:31:58,271 --> 01:32:02,021
make it clear that there had
been some FBI misconduct.
1868
01:32:02,104 --> 01:32:04,021
In the middle
of this investigation--
1869
01:32:04,104 --> 01:32:06,312
it's a heated investigation--
shortly after,
1870
01:32:06,396 --> 01:32:09,604
they're all in Las Vegas doing
these meetings with coaches.
1871
01:32:09,688 --> 01:32:13,062
This one undercover
just sort of was like,
1872
01:32:13,146 --> 01:32:14,479
"I have to go away
for a month."
1873
01:32:17,146 --> 01:32:19,187
You know, you can't always
read too much
1874
01:32:19,271 --> 01:32:20,855
into things like that,
but when UC-1 disappears,
1875
01:32:20,938 --> 01:32:22,980
and they even
go out of their way to
1876
01:32:23,062 --> 01:32:25,396
say that this person
left in the middle,
1877
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,312
it was sort of bizarre.
1878
01:32:27,396 --> 01:32:31,062
You know, I'm able to contact
people in law enforcement,
1879
01:32:31,146 --> 01:32:36,688
and we reported that
this one FBI agent,
1880
01:32:36,771 --> 01:32:39,730
Jeff D'Angelo,
who's UC-1 in the complaint,
1881
01:32:39,813 --> 01:32:42,771
had been caught
misappropriating
1882
01:32:42,855 --> 01:32:46,604
government money in--
on his trip to Las Vegas.
1883
01:32:46,688 --> 01:32:48,396
It later emerged in the court
hearing that there were
1884
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,730
more than one FBI agents
who got in trouble for this.
1885
01:32:51,813 --> 01:32:53,396
Apparently, what happens
when you send
1886
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,896
a bunch of dudes to Las Vegas
1887
01:32:55,980 --> 01:33:00,438
with envelopes of cash
is, like, not great.
1888
01:33:00,521 --> 01:33:05,229
And since then,
there's been a full-blown
1889
01:33:05,312 --> 01:33:07,938
DOJ investigation into what
went wrong with this.
1890
01:33:30,688 --> 01:33:33,229
In the broader scheme
of things, it just--
1891
01:33:33,312 --> 01:33:36,688
it sort of casts...
1892
01:33:36,771 --> 01:33:38,688
a shadow on the investigation.
1893
01:33:38,771 --> 01:33:42,438
I mean, who are the good guys
here, you know?
1894
01:33:42,521 --> 01:33:46,438
- The reason why nobody knows
what Jeff D'Angelo
1895
01:33:46,521 --> 01:33:49,104
and the other members
of the investigative team did
1896
01:33:49,187 --> 01:33:51,312
was because it was covered up,
it was--
1897
01:33:51,396 --> 01:33:52,896
I mean, we knew
that something happened,
1898
01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:54,187
but we don't know
what happened,
1899
01:33:54,271 --> 01:33:55,563
we don't know how it happened,
1900
01:33:55,646 --> 01:33:57,813
we don't know
how much happened.
1901
01:33:57,896 --> 01:33:58,980
We don't have any details
1902
01:33:59,062 --> 01:34:01,354
besides the fact
that something happened.
1903
01:34:01,438 --> 01:34:04,438
- Did the jury ever find out
that the FBI
1904
01:34:04,521 --> 01:34:06,146
was misusing or stealing
1905
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:07,688
government funds,
taxpayer dollars?
1906
01:34:07,771 --> 01:34:08,980
They didn't.
1907
01:34:09,062 --> 01:34:11,771
- No FBI agent spoke at trial
1908
01:34:11,855 --> 01:34:13,646
or were even mentioned
in front of the jury,
1909
01:34:13,730 --> 01:34:15,104
as far as I remember.
1910
01:34:15,187 --> 01:34:17,021
- The jury in either trial
1911
01:34:17,104 --> 01:34:20,688
never was aware
of any alleged misconduct
1912
01:34:20,771 --> 01:34:23,980
by any of the FBI agents.
1913
01:34:24,062 --> 01:34:25,855
- I subpoenaed four FBI agents,
1914
01:34:25,938 --> 01:34:27,604
the four that were
most principally involved
1915
01:34:27,688 --> 01:34:32,312
in the case,
and all subpoenas were denied.
1916
01:34:32,396 --> 01:34:34,855
If Jeff D'Angelo walked
through here right now,
1917
01:34:34,938 --> 01:34:37,813
I wouldn't even know
if it was a FBI agent
1918
01:34:37,896 --> 01:34:39,021
or a sound guy.
1919
01:34:39,104 --> 01:34:41,855
We had no idea
who Jeff D'Angelo was.
1920
01:34:41,938 --> 01:34:44,229
Never saw him before.
Don't know his real name.
1921
01:34:44,312 --> 01:34:46,354
To this day,
we don't know who he is.
1922
01:34:46,438 --> 01:34:47,855
- I don't know
any investigation
1923
01:34:47,938 --> 01:34:50,396
where the investigation leader
1924
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,688
is not there
to take the witness stand.
1925
01:34:54,771 --> 01:34:57,229
- He was the primary
investigative officer.
1926
01:34:57,312 --> 01:35:00,980
He wasn't some guy hiding
in a bush with a microphone.
1927
01:35:01,062 --> 01:35:02,938
This was the guy
that was on the yacht
1928
01:35:03,021 --> 01:35:05,187
giving Christian Dawkins
the money
1929
01:35:05,271 --> 01:35:07,479
to go out
and start LOYD Management,
1930
01:35:07,563 --> 01:35:11,187
so he was
the central character
1931
01:35:11,271 --> 01:35:13,146
of this entire investigation,
1932
01:35:13,229 --> 01:35:15,229
was this particular FBI agent,
1933
01:35:15,312 --> 01:35:18,396
and he never came
in the courtroom to testify.
1934
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,563
- They had to believe
that Marty Blazer,
1935
01:35:22,646 --> 01:35:24,521
a known fraudster
at this point,
1936
01:35:24,604 --> 01:35:27,396
was more credible for the jury
1937
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,229
than their lead FBI agent,
Jeff D'Angelo.
1938
01:35:30,312 --> 01:35:32,521
I would feel like
it's just fair
1939
01:35:32,604 --> 01:35:36,062
that if someone is in charge
of leading an investigation
1940
01:35:36,146 --> 01:35:39,104
and there's been
alleged misconduct,
1941
01:35:39,187 --> 01:35:40,771
that we should know
what they did,
1942
01:35:40,855 --> 01:35:44,563
whether that was a small thing
or a huge thing.
1943
01:35:44,646 --> 01:35:46,730
Like, it shouldn't be
a situation where it's like,
1944
01:35:46,813 --> 01:35:48,730
"Fuck off,
you don't need to know."
1945
01:35:48,813 --> 01:35:52,855
By definition, if some--
if no one knows,
1946
01:35:52,938 --> 01:35:54,896
someone's preventing
that information
1947
01:35:54,980 --> 01:35:55,896
from being out there.
1948
01:35:56,021 --> 01:35:58,563
That's literally
what a cover-up is.
1949
01:35:58,646 --> 01:36:00,771
I mean, it has to--
something's being covered up.
1950
01:36:00,855 --> 01:36:02,563
There's no--
I don't know what happened,
1951
01:36:02,646 --> 01:36:04,563
and I was in
the fucking case.
1952
01:36:09,646 --> 01:36:10,813
- You know,
that's the basic thing.
1953
01:36:10,896 --> 01:36:13,104
We are, the taxpayers,
you know, paid for everything.
1954
01:36:13,187 --> 01:36:15,646
The yacht, all the alcohol--
1955
01:36:15,730 --> 01:36:16,771
God knows what gambling
1956
01:36:16,855 --> 01:36:17,980
they were doing
out in Las Vegas.
1957
01:36:18,062 --> 01:36:21,146
Hotel suites in Las Vegas.
1958
01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:23,146
$4,000, $5,000-a-night suite.
1959
01:36:23,229 --> 01:36:25,563
It was just--
it's mind-boggling to imagine
1960
01:36:25,646 --> 01:36:27,479
that the taxpayers in America
1961
01:36:27,563 --> 01:36:30,271
foot the bill
for something this ridiculous.
1962
01:36:30,354 --> 01:36:32,896
The whole thing
was manufactured, right?
1963
01:36:32,980 --> 01:36:36,062
The whole thing was
arguably entrapment, right?
1964
01:36:36,146 --> 01:36:38,271
There's a point in time
where Christian made it clear
1965
01:36:38,354 --> 01:36:41,479
he didn't want to do
what he was being asked to do,
1966
01:36:41,563 --> 01:36:44,312
which is what
he was charged with.
1967
01:36:47,354 --> 01:36:51,646
Christian Dawkins doesn't have
the name recognition,
1968
01:36:51,730 --> 01:36:53,312
the resources,
1969
01:36:53,396 --> 01:36:55,146
the, quite frankly, the money
1970
01:36:55,229 --> 01:36:56,980
to scare the DOJ.
1971
01:36:57,062 --> 01:37:00,312
But if you charge these major
head coaches who have--
1972
01:37:00,396 --> 01:37:02,479
who are making
$3, $4, $5 million a year
1973
01:37:02,563 --> 01:37:06,104
and they're all gonna
fight this shit,
1974
01:37:06,187 --> 01:37:09,396
and you have
improper things going on
1975
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,938
with your investigative team,
1976
01:37:12,021 --> 01:37:14,312
you probably can't
fucking keep that hidden.
1977
01:37:14,396 --> 01:37:17,813
- I subpoenaed Sean Miller,
the head coach of Arizona.
1978
01:37:17,896 --> 01:37:19,021
I subpoenaed Will Wade,
1979
01:37:19,104 --> 01:37:21,521
the head coach
of Louisiana State University.
1980
01:37:21,604 --> 01:37:23,521
You know, I wonder
what would've happened
1981
01:37:23,604 --> 01:37:24,855
had those folks testified.
1982
01:37:24,938 --> 01:37:28,688
I think our case would've been
a little stronger.
1983
01:37:28,771 --> 01:37:32,521
- All of college sports fans
wanted to see Rick Pitino
1984
01:37:32,604 --> 01:37:34,563
on the stand
or Sean Miller on the stand
1985
01:37:34,646 --> 01:37:36,146
or Will Wade on the stand.
1986
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:38,730
That's not how it worked,
and those guys didn't have--
1987
01:37:38,813 --> 01:37:40,354
they weren't charged
with any crimes.
1988
01:37:40,438 --> 01:37:41,563
They weren't--
1989
01:37:41,646 --> 01:37:43,813
they weren't accused
of any wrongdoing.
1990
01:37:43,896 --> 01:37:46,855
- Lack of evidence
was not the reason
1991
01:37:46,938 --> 01:37:48,896
that coaches were not charged.
1992
01:37:50,771 --> 01:37:53,896
When Sean Miller
had his press conference,
1993
01:37:53,980 --> 01:37:57,021
I literally thought of Book,
and I was like, shit,
1994
01:37:57,104 --> 01:37:59,062
I mean, Sean should have
his own, like,
1995
01:37:59,146 --> 01:38:01,563
movie agent or some shit,
or a manager.
1996
01:38:01,646 --> 01:38:03,229
Like, he should be an actor.
1997
01:38:03,312 --> 01:38:06,021
That was a really high-level--
1998
01:38:06,104 --> 01:38:08,688
I was convinced, honestly.
1999
01:38:08,771 --> 01:38:11,271
- Contrary to what has been
written this past week,
2000
01:38:11,354 --> 01:38:13,730
we do our very best
to run a clean program
2001
01:38:13,813 --> 01:38:16,438
at the University of Arizona.
2002
01:38:16,521 --> 01:38:20,771
I have never knowingly
violated NCAA rules
2003
01:38:20,855 --> 01:38:25,730
while serving as head coach
of this great program.
2004
01:38:25,813 --> 01:38:28,730
I have never paid a recruit
or prospect or their family
2005
01:38:28,813 --> 01:38:32,146
or representative
to come to Arizona.
2006
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:34,938
I never have and I never will.
2007
01:38:35,021 --> 01:38:37,771
I have never arranged
or directed payment
2008
01:38:37,855 --> 01:38:41,438
or any improper benefits
to a recruit or prospect
2009
01:38:41,521 --> 01:38:43,771
or their family
or representative,
2010
01:38:43,855 --> 01:38:45,187
and I never will.
2011
01:38:47,354 --> 01:38:48,604
- If you want to know
my opinion,
2012
01:38:48,688 --> 01:38:50,438
when Sean Miller had
his press conference
2013
01:38:50,521 --> 01:38:53,438
and said has a player from
Arizona ever received money
2014
01:38:53,521 --> 01:38:55,312
or did he know anything
about a player from Arizona
2015
01:38:55,396 --> 01:38:56,938
receiving money, did he lie?
2016
01:38:57,021 --> 01:38:58,813
Yeah, that wasn't true.
2017
01:39:22,730 --> 01:39:25,104
- Book and I are just
essentially speaking about
2018
01:39:25,187 --> 01:39:28,646
myself wanting to recruit
Deandre Ayton.
2019
01:39:28,730 --> 01:39:30,479
Obviously,
he was already on campus.
2020
01:39:30,563 --> 01:39:32,271
Book was one of his coaches.
2021
01:39:32,354 --> 01:39:33,813
They have access to him
every day,
2022
01:39:33,896 --> 01:39:37,646
so I had had conversations
with Book about Deandre
2023
01:39:37,730 --> 01:39:40,187
and just, you know, myself
getting in front of him,
2024
01:39:40,271 --> 01:39:42,855
hopefully having a shot
at representing him one day.
2025
01:40:04,104 --> 01:40:05,479
I'm being told
2026
01:40:05,563 --> 01:40:07,438
that Sean is the one
2027
01:40:07,521 --> 01:40:10,521
who is financing
the Deandre situation.
2028
01:40:10,604 --> 01:40:12,646
- I mean, did Sean Miller
pay players?
2029
01:40:12,730 --> 01:40:14,646
I think, you know,
if you can't believe
2030
01:40:14,730 --> 01:40:17,396
the head assistant coach
on a wiretap,
2031
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,187
who doesn't know
he's being recorded,
2032
01:40:19,271 --> 01:40:21,855
in his truest of moments,
talking with his buddy,
2033
01:40:21,938 --> 01:40:24,354
and he's saying that
Sean Miller's paying players,
2034
01:40:24,438 --> 01:40:27,896
you'd have to be a really,
really die-hard Arizona fan...
2035
01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:29,521
To believe that he's not.
2036
01:40:29,604 --> 01:40:32,354
- If anyone's gonna say
Book is a cheater
2037
01:40:32,438 --> 01:40:36,521
and Book was a liar
and Book paid players,
2038
01:40:36,604 --> 01:40:39,062
then there's no way you can
separate Sean from it.
2039
01:40:39,146 --> 01:40:40,855
- I could care less if these
guys are paying players.
2040
01:40:40,938 --> 01:40:42,312
I don't have anything personal
against Sean Miller
2041
01:40:42,396 --> 01:40:44,062
or Will Wade,
I don't know these guys,
2042
01:40:44,146 --> 01:40:47,730
but I think that Christian's
relationship with them
2043
01:40:47,813 --> 01:40:50,938
was very clear
from those wiretap phone calls
2044
01:40:51,021 --> 01:40:53,563
by the way that they're having
conversation with each other.
2045
01:40:53,646 --> 01:40:55,104
All right?
Not very formal.
2046
01:40:55,187 --> 01:40:58,896
- They do have wiretaps
of head coaches talking
2047
01:40:58,980 --> 01:41:03,229
about recruiting,
and we never heard any of them.
2048
01:41:03,312 --> 01:41:07,604
The government fought every
attempt by defense attorneys
2049
01:41:07,688 --> 01:41:10,563
in both trials
to get those calls
2050
01:41:10,646 --> 01:41:13,062
admitted and played in court.
2051
01:41:13,146 --> 01:41:14,896
They never came out.
2052
01:41:14,980 --> 01:41:16,438
- You know, the government
knew those calls existed.
2053
01:41:16,521 --> 01:41:18,563
They heard what were on
those phone calls.
2054
01:41:18,646 --> 01:41:20,730
The judge felt
it was not relevant
2055
01:41:20,813 --> 01:41:23,396
to the issues before the court.
2056
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,896
- So the names that you know,
2057
01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:28,479
fans know,
we didn't hear from them.
2058
01:41:49,521 --> 01:41:51,271
- Very comfortable
with each other.
2059
01:41:51,354 --> 01:41:54,354
They had worked together
on a lot of different things.
2060
01:42:04,062 --> 01:42:05,604
- The player
in that particular situation
2061
01:42:05,688 --> 01:42:06,730
was Nassir Little.
2062
01:42:06,813 --> 01:42:08,896
Sean wanted Nassir
really badly.
2063
01:42:08,980 --> 01:42:10,396
He knew I had a relationship
2064
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,813
with the grassroots coaches,
who at that time,
2065
01:42:13,896 --> 01:42:15,146
I think we all were
under the impression
2066
01:42:15,229 --> 01:42:18,563
that they kind of had
the juice with the situation.
2067
01:42:18,646 --> 01:42:20,312
I basically told him
2068
01:42:20,396 --> 01:42:22,938
that I think it's gonna come
down to Miami and Arizona,
2069
01:42:23,021 --> 01:42:24,813
and what I think
needed to happen
2070
01:42:24,896 --> 01:42:26,896
for the kid to come
to Arizona.
2071
01:42:41,730 --> 01:42:42,771
- Yeah, it was no question,
2072
01:42:42,855 --> 01:42:44,312
that conversation,
all about money, I think.
2073
01:42:44,396 --> 01:42:45,604
I mean,
from my interpretation--
2074
01:42:45,688 --> 01:42:48,730
maybe Sean, you know, speaks
a different language than me,
2075
01:42:48,813 --> 01:42:51,104
but I'm pretty sure that we can
all agree that that's--
2076
01:42:51,187 --> 01:42:54,104
we was talking about what needed
to happen to get it done.
2077
01:43:32,104 --> 01:43:37,396
- I--or we, have never,
ever done business
2078
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,438
of any kind
with Christian Dawkins.
2079
01:44:59,021 --> 01:45:02,271
- I think the only way
you can interpret someone
2080
01:45:02,354 --> 01:45:05,479
in a head coaching position
2081
01:45:05,563 --> 01:45:07,479
saying they made
a strong-ass offer--
2082
01:45:07,563 --> 01:45:09,980
they ain't talking about
a scholarship offer, bro.
2083
01:45:10,062 --> 01:45:12,855
100% talking about money.
2084
01:45:12,938 --> 01:45:15,104
Just the audacity--
I mean, just--
2085
01:45:15,187 --> 01:45:17,479
you gotta take your hat off
to him, man.
2086
01:45:17,563 --> 01:45:20,146
He not only didn't
get charged for anything,
2087
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:22,479
not only did the government
have all this--
2088
01:45:22,563 --> 01:45:24,187
this information and evidence,
2089
01:45:24,271 --> 01:45:27,646
and nothing was happening
on a criminal level,
2090
01:45:27,730 --> 01:45:31,146
he also basically just said
fuck you to the NCAA
2091
01:45:31,229 --> 01:45:34,146
and to the university
he worked for.
2092
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:36,813
- Head Coach Will Wade
has requested reinstatement
2093
01:45:36,896 --> 01:45:38,312
from his indefinite suspension
2094
01:45:38,396 --> 01:45:40,187
while still refusing
to meet with the school.
2095
01:45:40,271 --> 01:45:42,312
- Man, that was some G shit.
2096
01:45:42,396 --> 01:45:44,187
And he said fuck you
to the people
2097
01:45:44,271 --> 01:45:46,021
who wasn't with him.
2098
01:45:46,104 --> 01:45:47,187
And he still got
to keep his job
2099
01:45:47,271 --> 01:45:48,604
and make millions of dollars.
2100
01:45:48,688 --> 01:45:51,021
It's, like, the perfect storm.
This is the life.
2101
01:45:51,104 --> 01:45:52,521
Fucking, they're paying him
a lot of money
2102
01:45:52,604 --> 01:45:53,688
to win games, bro.
2103
01:45:53,771 --> 01:45:56,187
The fuck is he supposed
to do, lose?
2104
01:45:56,271 --> 01:45:57,688
Will Wade is definitely
a fucking gangster
2105
01:45:57,771 --> 01:45:59,396
for what he did.
2106
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,688
There's no fucking way
I'm gonna believe
2107
01:46:01,771 --> 01:46:04,855
that people at that level
of sophistication
2108
01:46:04,938 --> 01:46:07,730
is gonna get on national TV
2109
01:46:07,813 --> 01:46:10,229
knowing that there's
a smoking gun laying out there
2110
01:46:10,312 --> 01:46:14,187
and be so confident in saying,
2111
01:46:14,271 --> 01:46:16,855
"I don't know shit.
I didn't do shit.
2112
01:46:16,938 --> 01:46:18,813
I don't know
anybody involved."
2113
01:46:18,896 --> 01:46:20,479
There had to be somebody
to give them
2114
01:46:20,563 --> 01:46:21,521
some level of insurances.
2115
01:46:21,604 --> 01:46:23,896
They wouldn't roll the dice
like that.
2116
01:46:23,980 --> 01:46:26,229
No one fucks with the FBI
like that.
2117
01:46:26,312 --> 01:46:28,229
No one's that crazy.
2118
01:46:28,312 --> 01:46:32,312
- And this now completes
my statement on this matter.
2119
01:46:34,688 --> 01:46:36,396
- From the start
of this whole case,
2120
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:40,021
the whole idea was
to bring in coaches,
2121
01:46:40,104 --> 01:46:41,855
and they could have blown
the whole fucking thing up
2122
01:46:41,938 --> 01:46:43,855
if they wanted to,
and they didn't,
2123
01:46:43,938 --> 01:46:45,730
because, you know,
the right people
2124
01:46:45,813 --> 01:46:49,563
got to the right people
and it was stopped.
2125
01:46:49,646 --> 01:46:51,771
- The original point was,
it was gonna change everything,
2126
01:46:51,855 --> 01:46:53,438
and they just backed away.
2127
01:46:53,521 --> 01:46:55,730
They didn't do it.
It just never happened.
2128
01:46:55,813 --> 01:46:57,771
They had the opportunity.
2129
01:46:57,855 --> 01:47:00,187
They had the resources.
They had the power.
2130
01:47:00,271 --> 01:47:02,604
They said they wanted to do it.
2131
01:47:02,688 --> 01:47:05,813
They didn't do it.
I don't know why.
2132
01:47:05,896 --> 01:47:10,104
- I can't...fathom
2133
01:47:10,187 --> 01:47:13,062
that I'm the person
2134
01:47:13,146 --> 01:47:17,730
that all these fucking
resources went into catching.
2135
01:47:27,229 --> 01:47:29,563
I got sentenced
to 12 months and a day.
2136
01:47:29,646 --> 01:47:30,980
Out of everybody
who was arrested
2137
01:47:31,062 --> 01:47:32,896
and was involved
in the investigation,
2138
01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:34,980
I got the longest
prison sentence.
2139
01:47:35,062 --> 01:47:38,271
Total sentence I had
for both cases is 18 months.
2140
01:47:38,354 --> 01:47:40,563
Federal prison.
2141
01:47:40,646 --> 01:47:42,354
Book Richardson
got three months.
2142
01:47:42,438 --> 01:47:45,271
Tony Bland got no time.
Probation.
2143
01:47:45,354 --> 01:47:48,730
Merl Code got
nine months total.
2144
01:47:48,813 --> 01:47:50,479
Jim Gatto got
nine months total.
2145
01:47:50,563 --> 01:47:52,271
Munish Sood didn't even get
fucking probation.
2146
01:47:52,354 --> 01:47:53,938
I think he just got a fine.
2147
01:47:54,021 --> 01:47:54,980
I don't know what Marty got.
2148
01:47:55,062 --> 01:47:57,187
He better get
at least ten years.
2149
01:47:59,563 --> 01:48:03,146
- Christian Dawkins refused
to cooperate in any way.
2150
01:48:03,229 --> 01:48:05,688
He fought both cases
to the end.
2151
01:48:05,771 --> 01:48:07,813
I think the feds thought
everyone would plea,
2152
01:48:07,896 --> 01:48:11,688
there wouldn't be any trials,
but these guys said nah,
2153
01:48:11,771 --> 01:48:14,771
I'm gonna stand up,
I'm gonna argue my case,
2154
01:48:14,855 --> 01:48:19,146
and they all lost,
but they made no agreements,
2155
01:48:19,229 --> 01:48:20,688
no cooperation
with the government,
2156
01:48:20,771 --> 01:48:23,146
and they went down swinging.
2157
01:48:23,229 --> 01:48:25,479
- I think he wanted to go down
with his place in history
2158
01:48:25,563 --> 01:48:28,563
as a guy that had
an opportunity
2159
01:48:28,646 --> 01:48:30,730
really to throw the world
under the bus
2160
01:48:30,813 --> 01:48:32,980
in college basketball,
in the community,
2161
01:48:33,062 --> 01:48:35,521
and he chose not to.
2162
01:48:35,604 --> 01:48:37,187
- We've had cheating
in this game forever.
2163
01:48:37,271 --> 01:48:40,938
Players have been paid forever.
Was that confirmed here? Yes.
2164
01:48:41,021 --> 01:48:43,521
But did the Southern District
of New York
2165
01:48:43,604 --> 01:48:45,187
and the FBI deliver
when they said,
2166
01:48:45,271 --> 01:48:46,229
"We have your playbook,"
2167
01:48:46,312 --> 01:48:48,521
and they made
all these threats, no.
2168
01:48:48,604 --> 01:48:51,062
I think it was actually
a pretty stern rebuke
2169
01:48:51,146 --> 01:48:52,563
of the Southern District
of New York
2170
01:48:52,646 --> 01:48:55,229
that they only got convictions
in three of the ten charges
2171
01:48:55,312 --> 01:48:59,521
that they brought against Merl
Code and Christian Dawkins.
2172
01:48:59,604 --> 01:49:02,146
- And I want to be very clear
with this.
2173
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:04,771
Any coach who offers
to pay a player,
2174
01:49:04,855 --> 01:49:07,730
in my opinion, is a good guy.
2175
01:49:07,813 --> 01:49:09,855
I don't see anything
wrong with it.
2176
01:49:09,938 --> 01:49:11,896
I think the players--
the coaches
2177
01:49:11,980 --> 01:49:15,062
who are not willing
to help out their players
2178
01:49:15,146 --> 01:49:17,271
are not good people.
2179
01:49:17,354 --> 01:49:18,938
The way the system is set up,
2180
01:49:19,021 --> 01:49:21,896
it's kind of caused
someone to have to step in
2181
01:49:21,980 --> 01:49:26,104
to provide what the families
and the players need.
2182
01:49:26,187 --> 01:49:30,604
- Let's say
Google, Amazon, says,
2183
01:49:30,688 --> 01:49:35,563
"We want to identify
the top STEM students,
2184
01:49:35,646 --> 01:49:38,021
the top coders
in high schools,"
2185
01:49:38,104 --> 01:49:40,104
and they find one in Saginaw,
2186
01:49:40,187 --> 01:49:41,271
and they go in there
and they say,
2187
01:49:41,354 --> 01:49:43,855
"We're gonna pay you $20,000
2188
01:49:43,938 --> 01:49:46,229
"and you're gonna come intern
for us in the summer,
2189
01:49:46,312 --> 01:49:48,062
"and then maybe when
you get out of college,
2190
01:49:48,146 --> 01:49:50,271
you come work for us
instead of the competition."
2191
01:49:50,354 --> 01:49:52,479
They would write that up
in the newspaper.
2192
01:49:52,563 --> 01:49:54,104
They would put that on TV.
2193
01:49:54,187 --> 01:49:56,062
It would be
an outreach program.
2194
01:49:56,146 --> 01:49:58,146
It would be a way
to inspire young students.
2195
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:59,479
It would be tremendous.
2196
01:49:59,563 --> 01:50:01,604
What's the difference?
2197
01:50:01,688 --> 01:50:03,438
If Google and Amazon say,
2198
01:50:03,521 --> 01:50:05,062
"That kid's worth
20 grand to us.
2199
01:50:05,146 --> 01:50:06,229
Come out here for the summer."
2200
01:50:06,312 --> 01:50:07,855
In fact, if they said,
"You need to come out here
2201
01:50:07,938 --> 01:50:09,563
for the summer
and we don't pay you,"
2202
01:50:09,646 --> 01:50:11,271
you'd say
that's absolutely terrible.
2203
01:50:11,354 --> 01:50:14,271
But because of amateurism,
2204
01:50:14,354 --> 01:50:18,563
and because an entire industry
has made billions
2205
01:50:18,646 --> 01:50:22,479
off of the concept of,
"you have to do this for free,"
2206
01:50:22,563 --> 01:50:23,604
no one's telling that kid,
2207
01:50:23,688 --> 01:50:26,980
"You need to code
for the love of coding."
2208
01:50:27,062 --> 01:50:28,771
No one's saying,
"You should go work for Google
2209
01:50:28,855 --> 01:50:30,479
for the love of Google."
2210
01:50:30,563 --> 01:50:31,938
What is the difference?
2211
01:50:32,062 --> 01:50:35,980
There's none,
except they have sold
2212
01:50:36,062 --> 01:50:38,646
this concept of amateurism
to America,
2213
01:50:38,730 --> 01:50:40,146
and then they sold
a lot of commercials
2214
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:42,146
during the NCAA basketball
tournament around it.
2215
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:45,646
- This is a business.
This is not amateur athletics.
2216
01:50:45,730 --> 01:50:47,146
There's nothing amateur
2217
01:50:47,229 --> 01:50:48,855
that makes billions
of dollars.
2218
01:50:48,938 --> 01:50:52,271
The NCAA brings in every year
a billion dollars
2219
01:50:52,354 --> 01:50:55,980
just in television licensing
for college basketball.
2220
01:50:56,062 --> 01:50:57,521
And so you have
a multibillion-dollar
2221
01:50:57,604 --> 01:50:59,813
licensing business
and none of these people
2222
01:50:59,896 --> 01:51:02,438
are paying any taxes
on the money.
2223
01:51:02,521 --> 01:51:05,479
The NCAA is a nonprofit
that pays no taxes.
2224
01:51:05,563 --> 01:51:06,980
The conferences
are nonprofits.
2225
01:51:07,062 --> 01:51:08,646
They pay no taxes.
2226
01:51:08,730 --> 01:51:12,479
- You can cry victim, right,
2227
01:51:12,563 --> 01:51:15,229
and pretend you're a victim
and then keep getting paid
2228
01:51:15,312 --> 01:51:16,521
and just keep the system
the same.
2229
01:51:16,604 --> 01:51:17,688
It's perfect.
2230
01:51:17,771 --> 01:51:20,021
- Here's the reason why
I'm different from the NCAA.
2231
01:51:20,104 --> 01:51:22,479
Yes, I made money.
2232
01:51:22,563 --> 01:51:24,271
So did the people with me.
2233
01:51:24,354 --> 01:51:27,187
So did the players.
2234
01:51:27,271 --> 01:51:29,187
I never took anything
from them.
2235
01:51:29,271 --> 01:51:32,021
The NCAA acts as if
2236
01:51:32,104 --> 01:51:35,271
they are bigger
than the athlete.
2237
01:51:35,354 --> 01:51:37,855
If the athletes were all white
2238
01:51:37,938 --> 01:51:40,855
and the coaches and athletic
directors were all black,
2239
01:51:40,938 --> 01:51:42,229
there's no way
this would be happening.
2240
01:51:44,271 --> 01:51:46,021
- College athletics
is a lot of fun,
2241
01:51:46,104 --> 01:51:48,688
and it brings
communities together.
2242
01:51:48,771 --> 01:51:49,896
It does a lot of great things.
2243
01:51:49,980 --> 01:51:52,187
But it would continue
to be a good deal
2244
01:51:52,271 --> 01:51:56,396
if you allowed the players
to operate in the free market.
2245
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:59,688
Instead, we create a system
that punishes the kids
2246
01:51:59,771 --> 01:52:01,688
because nothing's
on the up and up.
2247
01:52:01,771 --> 01:52:04,021
It all has to be clandestine.
2248
01:52:04,104 --> 01:52:06,604
If you have great players,
2249
01:52:06,688 --> 01:52:08,563
you are in possession
of lottery tickets
2250
01:52:08,646 --> 01:52:10,229
that are going to cash,
2251
01:52:10,312 --> 01:52:12,563
and so the guys
are gonna come for them.
2252
01:52:12,646 --> 01:52:15,229
The agents are gonna come,
the shoe reps,
2253
01:52:15,312 --> 01:52:16,730
I mean, it just--
they're already there.
2254
01:52:16,813 --> 01:52:18,980
They're not coming for them,
they were already there.
2255
01:52:19,062 --> 01:52:23,187
- I knew every player
in the world,
2256
01:52:23,271 --> 01:52:25,813
every level, every person,
2257
01:52:25,896 --> 01:52:28,438
every coach, every everything.
2258
01:52:28,521 --> 01:52:30,813
It was addictive, I was--
I loved--
2259
01:52:30,896 --> 01:52:32,563
my whole life was basketball.
2260
01:52:32,646 --> 01:52:35,730
I had never made a dollar
off of anything in my life
2261
01:52:35,813 --> 01:52:38,312
besides basketball
until recently.
2262
01:52:40,855 --> 01:52:44,479
I was literally thinking,
okay, what am I gonna do next?
2263
01:52:44,563 --> 01:52:48,229
And the music business
is one business where if--
2264
01:52:48,312 --> 01:52:49,730
I was thinking at the time,
2265
01:52:49,813 --> 01:52:51,479
if I was to be
a convicted felon,
2266
01:52:51,563 --> 01:52:54,646
that wouldn't be a detriment
in music, basically.
2267
01:52:54,730 --> 01:52:57,980
- During the first trial,
the day of the convictions,
2268
01:52:58,062 --> 01:53:02,271
you know, when those
guilty verdicts came back,
2269
01:53:02,354 --> 01:53:04,104
this was Christian.
2270
01:53:04,187 --> 01:53:05,271
He wiped my face,
and he was like,
2271
01:53:05,354 --> 01:53:06,980
"Dad, let's get
the hell out of here,
2272
01:53:07,062 --> 01:53:08,604
"'cause I have a meeting
at 6:00 p.m.
2273
01:53:08,688 --> 01:53:09,980
"with Atlantic Records,
2274
01:53:10,062 --> 01:53:11,312
with the CEO
of Atlantic Records."
2275
01:53:11,396 --> 01:53:12,896
I...
2276
01:53:12,980 --> 01:53:14,479
"Chris, shut up."
2277
01:53:14,563 --> 01:53:16,604
- I'll never forget it,
I mean, it'll be...
2278
01:53:16,688 --> 01:53:18,938
one of those moments,
I'll be on my death bed
2279
01:53:19,062 --> 01:53:21,354
and I'll remember,
while all this was going on,
2280
01:53:21,438 --> 01:53:23,146
while Christian is literally--
his future
2281
01:53:23,229 --> 01:53:25,187
is on the line,
potentially going to prison,
2282
01:53:25,271 --> 01:53:27,563
the whole time,
he's taking an Uber
2283
01:53:27,646 --> 01:53:30,479
to midtown, negotiating a deal
2284
01:53:30,563 --> 01:53:33,855
with Atlantic Records,
and I had no idea.
2285
01:53:33,938 --> 01:53:35,312
- If I'm passionate
about something,
2286
01:53:35,396 --> 01:53:37,229
I can laser in,
and I don't care
2287
01:53:37,312 --> 01:53:39,646
what's in front of me
or how it's gonna happen,
2288
01:53:39,730 --> 01:53:41,980
I'll get it done.
2289
01:53:42,062 --> 01:53:43,730
I wanted to do my own label,
2290
01:53:43,813 --> 01:53:45,604
and it kind of went quickly
2291
01:53:45,688 --> 01:53:47,312
from the standpoint
of finding artists,
2292
01:53:47,396 --> 01:53:48,604
managing them,
2293
01:53:48,688 --> 01:53:50,855
and getting into
the right rooms
2294
01:53:50,938 --> 01:53:53,813
and just being blessed enough
and fortunate enough
2295
01:53:53,896 --> 01:53:56,813
to land a deal
of that magnitude
2296
01:53:56,896 --> 01:54:00,146
with the number one
record company in the world.
2297
01:54:00,229 --> 01:54:03,354
We have a joint venture deal
with Atlantic Records.
2298
01:54:03,438 --> 01:54:06,021
The name of the record company
2299
01:54:06,104 --> 01:54:08,730
that we created
is called Chosen.
2300
01:54:08,813 --> 01:54:10,604
I'm the CEO of Chosen.
2301
01:54:10,688 --> 01:54:13,980
- It's hard to get
a record deal.
2302
01:54:14,062 --> 01:54:16,521
Atlantic Records gave Christian
his own business,
2303
01:54:16,604 --> 01:54:17,855
a record label.
2304
01:54:17,938 --> 01:54:19,563
When you think about that,
2305
01:54:19,646 --> 01:54:23,062
it seems almost impossible
or unbelievable.
2306
01:54:23,146 --> 01:54:24,855
- And it was just like,
at that point,
2307
01:54:24,938 --> 01:54:27,021
nothing seemed real anymore.
2308
01:54:27,104 --> 01:54:28,021
- It is reality.
2309
01:54:28,104 --> 01:54:30,855
I've got the money,
so it's reality now.
2310
01:54:30,938 --> 01:54:33,354
Listen, I think
I can do anything, so...
2311
01:54:33,438 --> 01:54:35,354
Maybe that's the gift I have.
2312
01:54:35,438 --> 01:54:36,896
I'm so naive
2313
01:54:36,980 --> 01:54:40,396
of what I am not supposed
to be able to do
2314
01:54:40,479 --> 01:54:42,396
that it's a blessing,
2315
01:54:42,479 --> 01:54:44,396
because I'm just like,
why can't I do it?
2316
01:54:44,479 --> 01:54:46,396
Why can't I start a label?
2317
01:54:46,479 --> 01:54:49,187
I didn't see anything
crazy about it.
2318
01:54:49,271 --> 01:54:52,396
I thought that, hey,
just gotta go try and get it,
2319
01:54:52,479 --> 01:54:57,396
and not fucking hiring
FBI agents to work with me.
2320
01:54:57,479 --> 01:54:59,938
- This is a letter
to the family
2321
01:55:00,021 --> 01:55:04,229
when he was trying to get out
of going to school, to college.
2322
01:55:04,312 --> 01:55:09,062
This is dated August 8th, 2012,
2323
01:55:09,146 --> 01:55:12,271
and the subject is,
"The Final Verdict."
2324
01:55:12,354 --> 01:55:15,271
It starts off, "I'm great.
2325
01:55:15,354 --> 01:55:17,730
I have a special gift
from God."
2326
01:55:17,813 --> 01:55:18,938
He's so crazy.
2327
01:55:19,021 --> 01:55:21,730
"I know this to be
factual information.
2328
01:55:21,813 --> 01:55:26,146
"It is rare for someone to be
as advanced as me at my age.
2329
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:29,730
"I have a gift
that truly great ones have.
2330
01:55:29,813 --> 01:55:35,396
"I am in a class of people
like Gandhi, Barack Obama,
2331
01:55:35,479 --> 01:55:38,646
"Jay-Z, Martin Luther King,
2332
01:55:38,730 --> 01:55:41,062
"Tiger Woods, Dick Clark,
Michael Jackson,
2333
01:55:41,146 --> 01:55:44,396
"Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc.
2334
01:55:44,479 --> 01:55:46,771
"Revolutionary people
in their fields.
2335
01:55:46,855 --> 01:55:50,438
I'm gonna chase my dreams
24-7 every day."
2336
01:55:50,521 --> 01:55:52,604
He's so insane.
2337
01:55:52,688 --> 01:55:54,479
"And leave a impact
on the world."
2338
01:55:56,521 --> 01:55:57,688
"I've had some success.
2339
01:55:57,771 --> 01:55:59,938
"A kid not even 20
was responsible
2340
01:56:00,021 --> 01:56:01,104
"for signing two pros.
2341
01:56:01,187 --> 01:56:02,604
"That's never happened before.
2342
01:56:02,688 --> 01:56:05,104
"Another record I broke--
the first being
2343
01:56:05,187 --> 01:56:07,396
"the youngest person ever
to get a shoe deal.
2344
01:56:07,479 --> 01:56:09,646
"Maybe I don't have too much
to show for it,
2345
01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:11,521
"but I will one day.
2346
01:56:11,604 --> 01:56:13,980
"To be clear,
this is what I plan to do.
2347
01:56:14,062 --> 01:56:16,646
"My focus is gonna be building
my management company,
2348
01:56:16,730 --> 01:56:18,021
"LOYD Management Company,
2349
01:56:18,104 --> 01:56:20,938
"into a sports
and entertainment empire.
2350
01:56:21,021 --> 01:56:23,312
"I have had some success,
and every day,
2351
01:56:23,396 --> 01:56:25,021
"I'm going to continue
to keep trying
2352
01:56:25,104 --> 01:56:27,271
"to grow my business
and make it happen.
2353
01:56:27,354 --> 01:56:29,813
"Relationships are everything
in my business.
2354
01:56:29,896 --> 01:56:31,813
"Every day, I will strengthen
the ones I have
2355
01:56:31,896 --> 01:56:33,479
and cultivate new ones."
2356
01:56:33,563 --> 01:56:36,813
This is so...
2357
01:56:36,896 --> 01:56:40,021
It's crazy how all of this
is coming together.
2358
01:56:40,104 --> 01:56:42,938
"At the end of the day,
just give me a year.
2359
01:56:43,021 --> 01:56:46,438
"If things don't go as planned,
I'll maybe do things
2360
01:56:46,521 --> 01:56:48,021
"in a more traditional way.
2361
01:56:48,104 --> 01:56:49,730
"Well, no, I won't.
2362
01:56:49,813 --> 01:56:51,563
"I'll just try harder
and grind it out
2363
01:56:51,646 --> 01:56:52,563
"for another year.
2364
01:56:52,646 --> 01:56:55,229
One day, it will happen."
2365
01:56:58,479 --> 01:57:01,187
"Success isn't..."
2366
01:57:01,271 --> 01:57:03,646
Can you read it right here?
2367
01:57:03,730 --> 01:57:04,980
"Success isn't..."
2368
01:57:05,062 --> 01:57:07,062
- "Success isn't an option
for me.
2369
01:57:07,146 --> 01:57:09,688
"That's why I always say
I'm rich,
2370
01:57:09,771 --> 01:57:11,688
"'cause one day, I will be,
2371
01:57:11,771 --> 01:57:13,730
"and I'm preparing
for that lifestyle now
2372
01:57:13,813 --> 01:57:15,688
"while I'm poor.
2373
01:57:15,771 --> 01:57:17,021
"I hope you guys understand.
2374
01:57:17,104 --> 01:57:18,688
"I love you.
2375
01:57:18,771 --> 01:57:19,855
You're the..."
2376
01:57:19,938 --> 01:57:21,813
- "Effin' best."
- "Effin' best."
2377
01:57:32,104 --> 01:57:35,146
- Did I do anything wrong?
2378
01:57:42,146 --> 01:57:43,354
Yes and no.
2379
01:57:43,438 --> 01:57:46,563
I think...
2380
01:57:46,646 --> 01:57:49,229
I mean, we clearly weren't
following any rules.
2381
01:57:49,312 --> 01:57:51,896
Were any of the defendants
in the cases,
2382
01:57:51,980 --> 01:57:53,896
you know, waking up
to defraud people?
2383
01:57:53,980 --> 01:57:54,938
No.
2384
01:57:55,021 --> 01:57:56,563
I still can't believe
that the FBI
2385
01:57:56,646 --> 01:57:58,187
went through all of this
2386
01:57:58,271 --> 01:58:01,938
just to stop someone
from getting paid
2387
01:58:02,021 --> 01:58:03,229
what they're supposed
to get paid.
2388
01:58:03,312 --> 01:58:06,271
It's like, it just doesn't make
common sense to me.
2389
01:58:06,354 --> 01:58:08,396
If they think
this basketball shit is bad,
2390
01:58:08,479 --> 01:58:11,396
imagine how much money
football players can get.
2391
01:58:13,688 --> 01:58:17,646
- The moral of the story is,
fuck the NCAA.
2392
01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:20,604
How was that?
2393
01:58:20,688 --> 01:58:22,438
Good.
2394
01:59:40,312 --> 01:59:41,855
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2395
01:59:41,938 --> 01:59:43,730
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