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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,187 --> 00:00:10,354 Our candidate for president, Charles Lindbergh. 2 00:00:11,229 --> 00:00:12,604 CHARLES LINDBERGH: The Jewish people are pushing 3 00:00:12,688 --> 00:00:14,646 the United States into this new war. 4 00:00:14,730 --> 00:00:15,980 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 5 00:00:16,312 --> 00:00:17,813 HERMAN LEVIN: Lindbergh wants to be another little Hitler himself. 6 00:00:18,396 --> 00:00:19,604 This is my country! 7 00:00:20,271 --> 00:00:21,563 BESS LEVIN: Not anymore! 8 00:00:23,771 --> 00:00:24,896 It's their country. 9 00:00:27,604 --> 00:00:28,980 ♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪ 10 00:00:31,646 --> 00:00:33,312 We only think we're American. 11 00:00:34,604 --> 00:00:36,062 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 12 00:00:54,521 --> 00:00:56,062 announcer: The following is a presentation 13 00:00:56,146 --> 00:00:57,813 of HBO Sports. 14 00:01:15,104 --> 00:01:16,354 Good afternoon. 15 00:01:19,354 --> 00:01:22,104 Let me be very, very clear. 16 00:01:22,187 --> 00:01:25,104 I have never discussed with Christian Dawkins 17 00:01:25,187 --> 00:01:29,354 paying Deandre Ayton to attend the University of Arizona. 18 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:33,771 In fact, I never even met or spoke to Christian Dawkins 19 00:01:33,855 --> 00:01:36,563 until after Deandre publicly announced 20 00:01:36,646 --> 00:01:39,771 that he was coming to our school. 21 00:01:39,855 --> 00:01:43,104 Any reporting to the contrary is inaccurate, 22 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:45,438 false, and defamatory. 23 00:01:45,521 --> 00:01:47,896 - I'm very proud of everything I've done 24 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:49,146 as LSU's head coach, 25 00:01:49,229 --> 00:01:53,104 and I'm very proud of what we've done at LSU. 26 00:01:53,187 --> 00:01:57,604 And I--or we have never, ever, um... 27 00:01:57,688 --> 00:02:01,396 done business of any kind with, uh--with Christian Dawkins. 28 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:10,771 - I have never been interviewed 29 00:02:10,855 --> 00:02:12,604 about this subject. 30 00:02:15,229 --> 00:02:16,146 - At this point, yes. 31 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:18,813 I am a convicted felon. 32 00:02:18,896 --> 00:02:21,813 It is very weird for me to say that I'm a convicted felon, 33 00:02:21,896 --> 00:02:24,521 especially over basketball. 34 00:02:29,062 --> 00:02:31,146 - I don't even wanna tell my story 35 00:02:31,229 --> 00:02:34,646 as much as I wanna tell the bigger story, 36 00:02:34,730 --> 00:02:35,688 in my opinion. 37 00:02:35,771 --> 00:02:37,646 It's a ridiculous story. 38 00:02:37,730 --> 00:02:40,813 Everyone went into it with the right intention. 39 00:02:40,896 --> 00:02:43,896 Did it get completely fucked up? 40 00:02:44,396 --> 00:02:47,312 I mean, it got fucked up to... 41 00:02:47,396 --> 00:02:49,146 I mean, I... 42 00:02:49,229 --> 00:02:51,146 Beyond my imagination, 43 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:53,271 and I have a pretty big imagination. 44 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:58,229 - Did I do anything wrong? 45 00:02:58,312 --> 00:02:59,354 Um... 46 00:03:06,563 --> 00:03:08,062 - A shot fired across the bough 47 00:03:08,146 --> 00:03:09,813 of college basketball. 48 00:03:09,896 --> 00:03:12,021 - Ten men, including four assistant coaches 49 00:03:12,104 --> 00:03:13,855 at top-tier programs, 50 00:03:13,938 --> 00:03:15,938 arrested on corruption charges. 51 00:03:16,021 --> 00:03:18,855 - This is absolutely gonna change the very landscape 52 00:03:18,938 --> 00:03:20,479 of college basketball. 53 00:03:20,563 --> 00:03:23,312 - Christian Dawkins is a sketchy character, 54 00:03:23,396 --> 00:03:24,938 wannabe agent. 55 00:03:25,021 --> 00:03:26,521 Nobody trusts anybody right now. 56 00:03:26,604 --> 00:03:27,604 - Mm-hmm. 57 00:03:27,688 --> 00:03:29,312 - 'Cause nobody knows where this is going. 58 00:03:37,688 --> 00:03:39,229 - I mean, basketball, up to this point, 59 00:03:39,312 --> 00:03:40,730 has been my whole life. 60 00:03:40,813 --> 00:03:43,896 I've been around it probably-- 61 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:46,229 like, really knowing what it was, 62 00:03:46,312 --> 00:03:47,896 probably since five years old. 63 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:49,271 And as far as I can remember, 64 00:03:49,354 --> 00:03:51,229 basketball's always pretty much been 65 00:03:51,312 --> 00:03:53,771 one of the most important things in my life. 66 00:03:55,187 --> 00:03:59,104 - I've known Christian Dawkins probably about 15 years. 67 00:03:59,187 --> 00:04:00,187 First met him 68 00:04:00,271 --> 00:04:03,146 when he was around probably 10 or 11 years old. 69 00:04:03,229 --> 00:04:06,563 He was part of a legacy family in Michigan, 70 00:04:06,646 --> 00:04:08,730 the Dawkins family, 71 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:11,271 and the Dawkins' name has always been synonymous 72 00:04:11,354 --> 00:04:14,104 in Michigan with basketball. 73 00:04:14,187 --> 00:04:16,855 - We always pretty much been a basketball family. 74 00:04:16,938 --> 00:04:19,271 My dad was a high school basketball coach 75 00:04:19,354 --> 00:04:20,563 where I grew up at. 76 00:04:23,229 --> 00:04:25,146 - Born and raised in Saginaw, Michigan... 77 00:04:26,229 --> 00:04:29,062 Uh, the number one city in the United States 78 00:04:29,146 --> 00:04:30,521 for high school basketball. 79 00:04:30,604 --> 00:04:32,104 - Please. 80 00:04:32,187 --> 00:04:33,730 - Began coaching in '96 81 00:04:33,813 --> 00:04:36,146 at the number one high school in the country, 82 00:04:36,229 --> 00:04:37,354 Saginaw High School. 83 00:04:38,521 --> 00:04:40,271 - He led the Saginaw High Trojans 84 00:04:40,354 --> 00:04:42,104 to back-to-back championships. 85 00:04:42,187 --> 00:04:43,813 And from that point on, 86 00:04:43,896 --> 00:04:46,062 I think his place in Michigan high school basketball history 87 00:04:46,146 --> 00:04:47,479 was pretty well-established. 88 00:04:48,688 --> 00:04:50,354 - He played a pretty big role in the community. 89 00:04:50,438 --> 00:04:53,646 I would think that most people would know me via him, 90 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:54,938 or because of-- 91 00:04:55,021 --> 00:04:56,312 our whole family, people would know 92 00:04:56,396 --> 00:05:00,896 because of his reputation in the community. 93 00:05:04,563 --> 00:05:07,980 - One thing I didn't do-- and she can quote me on this-- 94 00:05:08,062 --> 00:05:11,104 I didn't push my sons or my daughter 95 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:13,479 to play basketball. 96 00:05:13,563 --> 00:05:16,146 I gave them the opportunity to decide... 97 00:05:17,396 --> 00:05:20,438 - Which sport-- which sport to choose. 98 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:23,396 It just so happened that, you know, 99 00:05:23,479 --> 00:05:26,312 I was pretty good coming up in Saginaw, playing, myself. 100 00:05:26,396 --> 00:05:29,521 So I had a little bit of legendary status 101 00:05:29,604 --> 00:05:30,688 behind my name as well. 102 00:05:30,771 --> 00:05:33,146 So my sons and my daughter said-- 103 00:05:33,229 --> 00:05:35,187 they had to prove to me that they were better than me, 104 00:05:35,271 --> 00:05:36,980 better than their dad. 105 00:05:37,062 --> 00:05:40,730 And so they took the initiative and played basketball. 106 00:05:40,813 --> 00:05:41,730 Is that correct? 107 00:05:41,813 --> 00:05:43,062 - I don't know that that's all true... 108 00:05:43,146 --> 00:05:45,021 - But I'll--I'll go with it. 109 00:05:49,604 --> 00:05:51,229 - This was the gym that 110 00:05:51,312 --> 00:05:55,187 I spent most of my young adult life at. 111 00:05:55,271 --> 00:05:57,855 We spent the summers, every day here, 112 00:05:57,938 --> 00:05:59,563 after school, every day. 113 00:06:04,062 --> 00:06:05,646 Yeah, when I was growing up, I wanted to be, like, 114 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:07,146 a NBA All-Star. 115 00:06:07,229 --> 00:06:10,688 I think everyone has those dreams. 116 00:06:10,771 --> 00:06:12,855 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, I think I'm the shit. 117 00:06:12,938 --> 00:06:14,563 I think I'm good, okay? 118 00:06:14,646 --> 00:06:17,604 - Christian was good, but Christian was stubborn. 119 00:06:17,688 --> 00:06:20,312 I would give him things to do 120 00:06:20,396 --> 00:06:21,896 out there on the basketball court, 121 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:23,730 and he would take it upon himself 122 00:06:23,813 --> 00:06:25,813 to change the routine. 123 00:06:26,980 --> 00:06:30,021 - I didn't make varsity my freshmen year; I made JV. 124 00:06:30,104 --> 00:06:31,354 'Cause even though he was my dad, 125 00:06:31,438 --> 00:06:32,521 he still didn't play me. 126 00:06:32,604 --> 00:06:36,271 Like, it wasn't, like, a nepotism situation at all. 127 00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:39,438 JV, I was one of the best players on the team. 128 00:06:39,521 --> 00:06:40,604 I still think I'm the shit. 129 00:06:40,688 --> 00:06:42,187 In my head, I'm going to the NBA. 130 00:06:42,271 --> 00:06:43,855 First-round pick. 131 00:06:43,938 --> 00:06:47,104 Varsity practice, the first year, sophomore year, 132 00:06:47,187 --> 00:06:49,396 we had Draymond Green, 133 00:06:49,479 --> 00:06:51,104 and we had probably-- I don't know-- 134 00:06:51,187 --> 00:06:53,563 a couple more of the Division I players. 135 00:06:53,646 --> 00:06:55,062 That first practice is when I realized 136 00:06:55,146 --> 00:06:57,229 I should probably start, you know, 137 00:06:57,312 --> 00:06:58,813 looking into other avenues. 138 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:01,604 - My child has always been different. 139 00:07:04,146 --> 00:07:05,479 - Chris is very intelligent. 140 00:07:05,563 --> 00:07:08,479 When we would go on recruiting tournaments, trips, 141 00:07:08,563 --> 00:07:12,146 instead of him reading just sports magazines, 142 00:07:12,229 --> 00:07:15,604 he's reading business magazines, you know, 143 00:07:15,688 --> 00:07:18,271 which I thought was kind of odd. 144 00:07:18,354 --> 00:07:21,312 - I was young. I was probably ten. 145 00:07:21,396 --> 00:07:24,771 I started to be more intrigued or curious 146 00:07:24,855 --> 00:07:28,771 about what was going on outside of just a basketball game 147 00:07:28,855 --> 00:07:31,438 and what was going on around the sport. 148 00:07:31,521 --> 00:07:35,813 I think the pivotal moment was when I was in-- 149 00:07:35,896 --> 00:07:37,938 I don't know--5th, 6th grade. 150 00:07:38,021 --> 00:07:40,354 I read the book "Sole Influence." 151 00:07:40,438 --> 00:07:43,354 I remember being in class, reading the book. 152 00:07:43,438 --> 00:07:47,312 - Late 1990s, I was covering the growing world of AAU 153 00:07:47,396 --> 00:07:50,438 and basketball and talent camps. 154 00:07:50,521 --> 00:07:53,187 Nike and Adidas were having what they called 155 00:07:53,271 --> 00:07:56,354 the "shoe war" over these players, 156 00:07:56,438 --> 00:07:58,771 and it was kind of a new-- that was a new concept 157 00:07:58,855 --> 00:08:00,479 at the time of what was going on. 158 00:08:00,563 --> 00:08:03,980 There was clearly this world of sports 159 00:08:04,062 --> 00:08:07,813 that had incredible influence over how basketball, 160 00:08:07,896 --> 00:08:10,104 both college and pro, were being played. 161 00:08:10,187 --> 00:08:11,730 - "Sole Influence" is the best book 162 00:08:11,813 --> 00:08:13,271 and most accurate book I've ever read 163 00:08:13,354 --> 00:08:17,646 as far as on the money about the shit that goes on 164 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:19,980 in grassroots basketball and in college recruiting. 165 00:08:20,062 --> 00:08:21,688 It was real. 166 00:08:21,771 --> 00:08:23,521 My mind was shaped to a certain way 167 00:08:23,604 --> 00:08:24,563 to understand that early. 168 00:08:24,646 --> 00:08:26,855 Like, "Okay, this is how this works." 169 00:08:26,938 --> 00:08:29,229 People come into Saginaw, they coming to get something. 170 00:08:29,312 --> 00:08:30,980 It's the talent. 171 00:08:31,062 --> 00:08:32,563 And the people that was coming to get them 172 00:08:32,646 --> 00:08:35,855 was usually rich white people-- 173 00:08:35,938 --> 00:08:37,396 white coaches, white agents, 174 00:08:37,479 --> 00:08:39,021 white, you know, business managers, 175 00:08:39,104 --> 00:08:40,730 white sneaker reps-- 176 00:08:40,813 --> 00:08:42,187 whatever the case may be. 177 00:08:42,271 --> 00:08:43,646 Yeah, I'm not knocking nobody, 178 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:45,688 but I just understood the value 179 00:08:45,771 --> 00:08:47,312 of the African American athlete, 180 00:08:47,396 --> 00:08:50,813 and that's why books like "Sole Influence" 181 00:08:50,896 --> 00:08:52,354 resonated so much with me. 182 00:08:52,438 --> 00:08:53,396 When I read that book, I'm like, 183 00:08:53,479 --> 00:08:54,730 "This is what I wanna do." 184 00:08:56,229 --> 00:08:59,021 - Christian's always had this business mind. 185 00:08:59,104 --> 00:09:01,896 When he was 11, I remember, 186 00:09:01,980 --> 00:09:04,021 we were sitting on the porch, 187 00:09:04,104 --> 00:09:06,438 and I kept getting mail. 188 00:09:06,521 --> 00:09:08,271 And it would be addressed to Christian, 189 00:09:08,354 --> 00:09:10,563 but when I would open it-- 'cause I'm thinking, 190 00:09:10,646 --> 00:09:12,062 "Who is he getting--" and it would--- 191 00:09:12,146 --> 00:09:13,563 it was random people. 192 00:09:13,646 --> 00:09:16,104 Open it up, and then I would find checks. 193 00:09:16,187 --> 00:09:18,146 So we called Christian in, and we're talking to him. 194 00:09:18,229 --> 00:09:19,104 He goes, "Oh, yeah. 195 00:09:19,187 --> 00:09:20,229 That's for my company." 196 00:09:20,312 --> 00:09:23,730 I'm like, "What co--what company, buddy?" 197 00:09:25,271 --> 00:09:26,563 - So "Best of the Best Scouting" 198 00:09:26,646 --> 00:09:30,062 was the name of the publication I started, 199 00:09:30,146 --> 00:09:33,062 and it was a scouting service for the top players 200 00:09:33,146 --> 00:09:34,187 in the state of Michigan 201 00:09:34,271 --> 00:09:36,479 and also had some coverage in the Midwest. 202 00:09:36,938 --> 00:09:38,604 I knew everybody in Michigan basketball 203 00:09:38,688 --> 00:09:40,563 'cause of my dad. 204 00:09:40,646 --> 00:09:44,730 Everybody who was anybody came through that gym. 205 00:09:44,813 --> 00:09:46,938 I would go and, you know, try to make my notes 206 00:09:47,021 --> 00:09:50,521 and scout as much as I thought I could at that point. 207 00:09:51,855 --> 00:09:53,187 - It was very detailed, 208 00:09:53,271 --> 00:09:54,563 almost in a frightening manner, 209 00:09:54,646 --> 00:09:56,312 on who the top middle school players were 210 00:09:56,396 --> 00:09:57,312 in the state of Michigan. 211 00:09:57,396 --> 00:09:58,312 People were signing up, 212 00:09:58,396 --> 00:10:00,771 and nobody knew who this guy was 213 00:10:00,855 --> 00:10:02,938 that was rating and ranking these players. 214 00:10:03,021 --> 00:10:05,938 - I think I charged coaches around 600 bucks. 215 00:10:06,021 --> 00:10:07,271 College coaches. 216 00:10:07,354 --> 00:10:09,146 - Division I basketball coaches 217 00:10:09,229 --> 00:10:11,021 were paying $600 for this website 218 00:10:11,104 --> 00:10:12,604 this 12-year-old made in his basement. 219 00:10:14,021 --> 00:10:15,938 The funniest thing was, he ranked himself. 220 00:10:16,021 --> 00:10:18,104 - I did rank myself. 221 00:10:18,187 --> 00:10:20,104 I mean, it was times I ranked myself one. 222 00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:21,229 That was bad. 223 00:10:21,312 --> 00:10:24,104 - And he actually had listed himself as 6'2" 224 00:10:24,187 --> 00:10:26,104 when he was, like, 14 or 15. 225 00:10:26,187 --> 00:10:28,146 He's, like, 5'10" now. 226 00:10:28,229 --> 00:10:30,187 - I probably shouldn't have done that. 227 00:10:31,730 --> 00:10:33,479 - You know, a lot of the triggers for Christian 228 00:10:33,563 --> 00:10:35,312 was growing up realizing 229 00:10:35,396 --> 00:10:38,104 how important basketball was in his household. 230 00:10:38,187 --> 00:10:40,104 And, you know, 231 00:10:40,187 --> 00:10:41,980 you win back-to-back state championships, 232 00:10:42,062 --> 00:10:43,813 you have a little brother that is, you know, 233 00:10:43,896 --> 00:10:46,980 revered as being one of the next great players. 234 00:10:47,062 --> 00:10:52,104 - Dorian still, to this day, is the best friend I've had. 235 00:10:52,896 --> 00:10:55,146 I was 2 years, 2 1/2 years older than him. 236 00:10:56,104 --> 00:10:59,646 He was the best player on our varsity team in middle school. 237 00:10:59,730 --> 00:11:01,312 He didn't play with us, but when he practiced, 238 00:11:01,396 --> 00:11:02,855 he was the best player. 239 00:11:02,938 --> 00:11:05,604 He got invited to every elite camp you can get invited to. 240 00:11:05,688 --> 00:11:07,312 He was getting letters from UCLA 241 00:11:07,396 --> 00:11:08,646 and stuff in middle school. 242 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:10,771 So he was already in the mix. 243 00:11:12,479 --> 00:11:13,771 - So we went to Toledo. 244 00:11:13,855 --> 00:11:15,021 It was--I think it was called 245 00:11:15,104 --> 00:11:18,146 the Toledo Michigan-Ohio Border Battle. 246 00:11:19,271 --> 00:11:22,396 And DD was 14. 247 00:11:22,479 --> 00:11:24,563 And we were playing against All Ohio Red 248 00:11:24,646 --> 00:11:26,688 and I think All Ohio Red at the time 249 00:11:26,771 --> 00:11:28,896 had won the last three AAU national titles. 250 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:31,813 I think Dorian had, like, 251 00:11:31,896 --> 00:11:35,563 40 points and 12 assists. 252 00:11:35,646 --> 00:11:37,062 Probably 9 or 10 rebounds. 253 00:11:37,146 --> 00:11:39,896 I'm like, "Wow, this boy's gonna be special." 254 00:11:40,938 --> 00:11:42,688 So they ended up beating All Ohio Red. 255 00:11:42,771 --> 00:11:45,229 And All Ohio Red coach came up to me after the game, 256 00:11:45,312 --> 00:11:47,646 and he was like, "Coach, I saw you over there, 257 00:11:47,730 --> 00:11:49,521 cheering on the side," you know. 258 00:11:49,604 --> 00:11:51,396 "What college is that young kid going to?" 259 00:11:52,521 --> 00:11:53,771 - And I said, "Man, that boy is about to be 260 00:11:53,855 --> 00:11:55,396 a ninth grader in high school." 261 00:11:55,479 --> 00:11:58,396 He's like, "You gotta be kidding me." 262 00:11:58,479 --> 00:11:59,771 And I was like, "No, listen, man. 263 00:11:59,855 --> 00:12:02,730 He just turned 14. That's my son." 264 00:12:02,813 --> 00:12:06,062 And about a month later, 265 00:12:06,146 --> 00:12:07,604 we had a tournament. 266 00:12:07,688 --> 00:12:10,021 I saw the same AAU coach on the--on the elevator. 267 00:12:11,187 --> 00:12:12,855 He was like, "Hey, Coach. How your son doing?" 268 00:12:13,855 --> 00:12:15,062 I said, "Man, you won't believe." 269 00:12:15,146 --> 00:12:18,813 I said, "Man, he died a couple weeks ago." 270 00:12:18,896 --> 00:12:20,312 And, uh... 271 00:12:31,563 --> 00:12:33,646 - He died at a camp, playing basketball. 272 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:34,938 He was playing with us. 273 00:12:35,021 --> 00:12:36,563 I was going to my senior year. 274 00:12:36,646 --> 00:12:38,438 He was going to his freshman year. 275 00:12:38,521 --> 00:12:40,604 He was by far our best player. 276 00:12:40,688 --> 00:12:42,563 My dad wasn't coaching that game 277 00:12:42,646 --> 00:12:44,146 because he was in a wedding. 278 00:12:44,229 --> 00:12:46,479 So just his assistant was with us, 279 00:12:46,563 --> 00:12:48,730 and none--neither one of my parents were with us. 280 00:12:49,855 --> 00:12:50,980 It was a regular day. 281 00:12:51,062 --> 00:12:53,938 He played well, and then, um... 282 00:12:54,021 --> 00:12:56,146 he got fouled going to the rim. 283 00:12:56,229 --> 00:12:57,479 He's at the free-throw line. 284 00:12:57,563 --> 00:13:00,104 He looks at me, he goes, "Brother, I'm so tired." 285 00:13:00,187 --> 00:13:02,604 I'm just thinking it's like, "Okay," like, you know-- 286 00:13:02,688 --> 00:13:04,646 you know, no big deal, 287 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:06,771 and he collapsed. 288 00:13:06,855 --> 00:13:09,938 I'm thinking he had-- he's having a seizure. 289 00:13:10,021 --> 00:13:13,021 And then, um... 290 00:13:13,104 --> 00:13:15,813 He, um... 291 00:13:15,896 --> 00:13:17,271 They were, like, operating on him 292 00:13:17,354 --> 00:13:19,479 in the--in the hospital room, 293 00:13:19,563 --> 00:13:20,688 and, um, 294 00:13:20,771 --> 00:13:23,646 at that point, he had had a heart attack already. 295 00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:25,813 They were trying to, like, revive him 296 00:13:25,896 --> 00:13:27,646 to the point where he could function again. 297 00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:29,980 And once they, you know, induced him, 298 00:13:30,062 --> 00:13:31,980 he just never woke back up. 299 00:13:39,062 --> 00:13:41,021 - He had a heart condition. 300 00:13:44,104 --> 00:13:46,938 And... 301 00:13:49,938 --> 00:13:52,354 No one--no one knew. 302 00:13:58,146 --> 00:14:00,062 - He had a rare heart disease 303 00:14:00,146 --> 00:14:03,688 where, like, his artery essentially 304 00:14:03,771 --> 00:14:06,021 wasn't strong enough 305 00:14:06,104 --> 00:14:09,021 to maintain the blood flow in his heart. 306 00:14:09,104 --> 00:14:11,354 He essentially had a over--oversized heart. 307 00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:18,312 There is not a day that goes by that I don't, like-- 308 00:14:18,396 --> 00:14:20,396 I don't think about him in some way. 309 00:14:23,271 --> 00:14:25,521 Dorian was a better athlete. 310 00:14:25,604 --> 00:14:27,229 I mean, he was--he was-- 311 00:14:27,312 --> 00:14:28,896 he was the one. 312 00:14:28,980 --> 00:14:31,187 He was gonna be the next star from Saginaw, 313 00:14:31,271 --> 00:14:34,229 had he--had he lived. 314 00:14:40,813 --> 00:14:42,730 Listen, man. 315 00:14:42,813 --> 00:14:44,354 Faith is a funny thing, right? 316 00:14:44,438 --> 00:14:45,438 Like... 317 00:14:47,855 --> 00:14:50,688 Part of the whole idea is, 318 00:14:50,771 --> 00:14:53,604 "Believe in what you don't really know." 319 00:14:53,688 --> 00:14:55,688 Because there's no answer that anyone could give me 320 00:14:55,771 --> 00:14:58,896 that would make me be like, "Okay, I'm cool with it." 321 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:02,104 So I had to just understand that I didn't understand... 322 00:15:04,688 --> 00:15:07,271 And try to make a positive out of a negative. 323 00:15:10,354 --> 00:15:11,938 So when my brother passed away, 324 00:15:12,021 --> 00:15:13,688 I wanted to do something in his memory. 325 00:15:13,771 --> 00:15:17,021 I planned a high school basketball tournament... 326 00:15:18,563 --> 00:15:21,646 In conjunction with the American Heart Association 327 00:15:21,730 --> 00:15:25,479 to try to raise money for heart disease. 328 00:15:26,688 --> 00:15:27,771 And then the rest of the money, 329 00:15:27,855 --> 00:15:32,271 we used to fund the travel team that we had, 330 00:15:32,354 --> 00:15:34,771 which was originally called Team Pride, 331 00:15:34,855 --> 00:15:37,438 and when Dorian passed away, we switched to become-- 332 00:15:37,521 --> 00:15:39,354 the name to become Dorian's Pride. 333 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:42,438 My role for-- with Dorian's Pride, 334 00:15:42,521 --> 00:15:44,938 I was essentially the general manager, 335 00:15:45,021 --> 00:15:46,354 so to speak. 336 00:15:46,438 --> 00:15:48,688 I was probably 16. 337 00:15:48,771 --> 00:15:50,938 I essentially gained the sponsorship deals, 338 00:15:51,021 --> 00:15:52,396 raised the money, 339 00:15:52,479 --> 00:15:54,855 picked all the coaches or other administrators, 340 00:15:54,938 --> 00:15:56,771 picked the tournaments we played in, 341 00:15:56,855 --> 00:15:58,312 recruited most of the players. 342 00:15:58,396 --> 00:15:59,813 If there was a top-level player, 343 00:15:59,896 --> 00:16:03,312 I pretty much recruited them to the program. 344 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:04,980 - Christian, he had an eye for talent, 345 00:16:05,062 --> 00:16:06,604 but more importantly, he would work. 346 00:16:06,688 --> 00:16:08,813 Christian would just make sure he went to all the games. 347 00:16:08,896 --> 00:16:10,104 He would go to the practices. 348 00:16:10,187 --> 00:16:12,855 He would find a way to connect with family members. 349 00:16:12,938 --> 00:16:13,938 And he was beating out 350 00:16:14,021 --> 00:16:16,312 a lot of the top Nike and Adidas guys 351 00:16:16,396 --> 00:16:17,813 for some of the top talent in Michigan. 352 00:16:17,896 --> 00:16:20,771 - And he took a... 353 00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:23,688 a very good team and turned them into 354 00:16:23,771 --> 00:16:26,479 one of the top five AAU programs in the country. 355 00:16:26,563 --> 00:16:27,980 - At the age of, like, 17, 356 00:16:28,062 --> 00:16:30,438 he got Under Armour to sponsor the team, 357 00:16:30,521 --> 00:16:32,438 and it was the only Under Armour-sponsored team, 358 00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:34,312 at that time, in the Midwest. 359 00:16:34,396 --> 00:16:36,479 To this day, nobody understands or knows 360 00:16:36,563 --> 00:16:39,187 how he was able to secure an Under Armour shoe deal. 361 00:16:46,104 --> 00:16:47,646 - It's marketing. 362 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:50,771 If you're Nike and you're trying to launch a new shoe 363 00:16:50,855 --> 00:16:54,354 and you need it to get some level of visibility on it 364 00:16:54,438 --> 00:16:57,396 or some level of recognition for it, 365 00:16:57,479 --> 00:17:00,855 what's the best way to get that shoe out 366 00:17:00,938 --> 00:17:04,146 or get that shoe some exposure in Saginaw, Michigan? 367 00:17:04,229 --> 00:17:05,354 You put it on the high school team, 368 00:17:05,438 --> 00:17:06,563 the high school players. 369 00:17:06,646 --> 00:17:08,855 How else would Saginaw, Michigan know about 370 00:17:08,938 --> 00:17:10,938 a Nike--a new Nike shoe? 371 00:17:11,521 --> 00:17:14,354 If I'm outfitting Zion Williamson 372 00:17:14,438 --> 00:17:17,855 in South Carolina with all Adidas or all Nike, 373 00:17:17,938 --> 00:17:20,813 pretty sure kids in that area are gonna buy 374 00:17:20,896 --> 00:17:23,563 Nikes and Adidas because he's gonna be the most popular, 375 00:17:23,646 --> 00:17:26,104 most visible person in the community. 376 00:17:27,646 --> 00:17:30,396 By the end, we was-- we was over six figures. 377 00:17:30,479 --> 00:17:32,813 Between sneaker sponsors 378 00:17:32,896 --> 00:17:36,229 and local people to sponsor it through events, 379 00:17:36,312 --> 00:17:38,730 we were definitely over $100,000. 380 00:17:38,813 --> 00:17:41,563 - And he built strong relationships, 381 00:17:41,646 --> 00:17:43,396 not just with the shoe companies, 382 00:17:43,479 --> 00:17:44,771 but college coaches. 383 00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:47,730 - That, at a very young age, put him in a position 384 00:17:47,813 --> 00:17:49,896 to where he had some power with the college coaches, 385 00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:51,563 because now he had a lot of the top players 386 00:17:51,646 --> 00:17:52,688 on his AAU team. 387 00:17:52,771 --> 00:17:54,938 And that's when I think he got people's attention 388 00:17:55,021 --> 00:17:57,646 in the basketball world-- not just the AAU world, 389 00:17:57,730 --> 00:18:00,396 but also the college basketball world. 390 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:03,730 - At this point, I've already got a shoe deal. 391 00:18:03,813 --> 00:18:05,104 I've already got money. 392 00:18:05,187 --> 00:18:07,396 It makes no sense to me to go to school. 393 00:18:07,479 --> 00:18:09,104 I knew what I wanted to do. 394 00:18:09,187 --> 00:18:11,438 My first job in the basketball business, 395 00:18:11,521 --> 00:18:13,730 I got hired as the manager and director 396 00:18:13,813 --> 00:18:16,271 for a financial services company. 397 00:18:16,354 --> 00:18:19,354 And my first year there, I signed two first-round picks. 398 00:18:20,438 --> 00:18:25,271 - The Philadelphia 76ers select Elfrid Payton 399 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:29,229 from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. 400 00:18:29,855 --> 00:18:32,146 - I ended up signing Elfrid Payton and Rodney Hood. 401 00:18:34,563 --> 00:18:36,438 Things went wrong when I wanted to work 402 00:18:36,521 --> 00:18:38,438 on the agent side of the business. 403 00:18:38,521 --> 00:18:40,062 As I had some success, 404 00:18:40,146 --> 00:18:43,938 other agencies approached me to come work for their firms, 405 00:18:44,021 --> 00:18:46,271 and I decided to go with Andy Miller. 406 00:18:46,354 --> 00:18:49,646 Andy Miller is one of the best agents that's ever lived. 407 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:50,980 Andy's definitely negotiated 408 00:18:51,062 --> 00:18:52,479 over a billion dollars in contracts, 409 00:18:52,563 --> 00:18:56,521 and he definitely has had dozens of first-round picks. 410 00:18:56,604 --> 00:18:58,229 - Andy Miller is, you know, 411 00:18:58,312 --> 00:18:59,771 one of the top agents in basketball. 412 00:18:59,855 --> 00:19:01,646 He's a guy that, you know, 413 00:19:01,730 --> 00:19:05,646 had built a pretty impressive agency at ASM. 414 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:07,980 - Andy just offered me-- he recruited me. 415 00:19:08,062 --> 00:19:09,855 He wanted to hire me. 416 00:19:09,938 --> 00:19:11,813 Andy was giving me more money. 417 00:19:11,896 --> 00:19:14,312 So it was a business situation, and it was a-- 418 00:19:14,396 --> 00:19:17,771 I thought a situation that can further my career more. 419 00:19:20,563 --> 00:19:22,187 - We--I was just a agent there. 420 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:28,396 - Yeah, a agent, junior agent, 421 00:19:28,479 --> 00:19:30,187 whatever you wanna call it. 422 00:19:30,271 --> 00:19:32,688 - No, Christian at ASM was a runner, you know. 423 00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,646 He was the guy that was out recruiting. 424 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:36,479 He was a relationship guy. 425 00:19:36,563 --> 00:19:38,855 - I did agent duties. 426 00:19:38,938 --> 00:19:41,688 I did deals for players. I ran the pre-draft. 427 00:19:41,771 --> 00:19:42,730 Like, what does that mean? 428 00:19:42,813 --> 00:19:44,813 If you ask Andy, who employed me, 429 00:19:44,896 --> 00:19:47,354 he wouldn't have said, "Oh, yeah, Christian's my runner." 430 00:19:47,438 --> 00:19:49,021 Like, what does that even mean? 431 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,730 - I mean, a runner is a generic term used in the industry 432 00:19:51,813 --> 00:19:55,062 for one that goes out and runs around and recruits. 433 00:19:55,146 --> 00:19:57,396 He would, you know, meet with the families. 434 00:19:57,479 --> 00:19:58,855 He'd go to the AAU tournaments. 435 00:19:58,938 --> 00:20:01,146 He would help manage the players 436 00:20:01,229 --> 00:20:03,312 once they were secured by the agency. 437 00:20:03,396 --> 00:20:04,855 - I recruited the clients. 438 00:20:04,938 --> 00:20:07,688 I prepared materials for recruiting meetings. 439 00:20:07,771 --> 00:20:10,938 I did all the updates. I did the work. 440 00:20:11,021 --> 00:20:12,688 - He was sort of, you know-- 441 00:20:12,771 --> 00:20:14,730 a manager, I guess, would be a nice way of calling it, 442 00:20:14,813 --> 00:20:17,229 but a runner's probably the more appropriate term 443 00:20:17,312 --> 00:20:18,396 in the industry. 444 00:20:18,479 --> 00:20:20,229 - Andy wasn't like, 445 00:20:20,312 --> 00:20:22,730 "Oh, just go get some players and then--" 446 00:20:22,813 --> 00:20:24,229 No, it was, 447 00:20:24,312 --> 00:20:26,271 "I'm training you to be an agent." 448 00:20:36,312 --> 00:20:39,187 I love Andy Miller to death, 449 00:20:39,271 --> 00:20:41,896 but we were like Whitney and Bobby. 450 00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:43,771 We shouldn't have been together. 451 00:20:43,855 --> 00:20:45,521 - Christian's value to Andy Miller was-- 452 00:20:45,604 --> 00:20:47,229 was, you know, irreplaceable. 453 00:20:47,312 --> 00:20:49,229 You couldn't put a value on it, you know? 454 00:20:49,312 --> 00:20:50,563 Christian was able to do all things 455 00:20:50,646 --> 00:20:52,271 that Andy Miller couldn't do, 456 00:20:52,354 --> 00:20:54,604 that he was too old to do, probably, 457 00:20:54,688 --> 00:20:56,229 probably too white to do. 458 00:20:56,312 --> 00:20:58,438 He would do the things that would be necessary 459 00:20:58,521 --> 00:21:00,771 to foster that relationship with the player, 460 00:21:00,855 --> 00:21:02,604 to keep them with the agency. 461 00:21:02,688 --> 00:21:06,104 - I literally signed with ASM and Andy Miller 462 00:21:06,187 --> 00:21:07,396 because of Christian. 463 00:21:07,479 --> 00:21:09,646 Andy couldn't have recruited me, you know what I mean? 464 00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,271 We have a great relationship now 465 00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:13,604 because I signed with him through Christian. 466 00:21:13,688 --> 00:21:15,771 And Andy was probably my agent in all my paperwork, 467 00:21:15,855 --> 00:21:17,980 but Christian was the one who did everything for me. 468 00:21:18,062 --> 00:21:20,062 And mostly Christian kind of shaped me, 469 00:21:20,146 --> 00:21:21,646 pointed me in the right direction 470 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,396 to end up where I am now. 471 00:21:23,479 --> 00:21:25,980 Make no mistake about it, he is like a mastermind 472 00:21:26,062 --> 00:21:28,813 when it comes to the basketball agency world, 473 00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:30,479 and it's not up for debate 474 00:21:30,563 --> 00:21:31,938 that he was great at what he did. 475 00:21:32,021 --> 00:21:34,730 - For a young guy, Christian was incredibly well-connected. 476 00:21:34,813 --> 00:21:36,104 It was no question. 477 00:21:36,187 --> 00:21:39,312 21, 22 years old at the time, and I think people thought, 478 00:21:39,396 --> 00:21:41,604 "This is--this could be the next big thing." 479 00:21:41,688 --> 00:21:44,396 - No one could complain about the actual representation. 480 00:21:44,479 --> 00:21:48,021 It was the small things that didn't get handled correctly 481 00:21:48,104 --> 00:21:49,855 because Andy is like, "I'm gonna get it done 482 00:21:49,938 --> 00:21:51,771 by any means," and so am I. 483 00:21:51,855 --> 00:21:54,104 And sometimes, especially in a business 484 00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:56,479 as small as the agent business, you gotta kind of be 485 00:21:56,563 --> 00:21:58,396 a little bit more politically correct than we were. 486 00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:01,438 My former company was 487 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:04,479 very upset about the departure. 488 00:22:04,563 --> 00:22:07,146 Andy informed me that he had been notified 489 00:22:07,229 --> 00:22:09,271 that my former employer 490 00:22:09,354 --> 00:22:10,938 filed a complaint with local authorities 491 00:22:11,021 --> 00:22:13,229 and the NBA Players Association 492 00:22:13,312 --> 00:22:15,521 about me, allegedly, 493 00:22:15,604 --> 00:22:18,354 stealing $40,000 in Uber rides. 494 00:22:18,438 --> 00:22:19,730 Uber-gate. 495 00:22:24,104 --> 00:22:26,855 It got tons of media coverage. 496 00:22:26,938 --> 00:22:29,146 When I seen it, I'm like, "Oh, shit. 497 00:22:29,229 --> 00:22:31,604 This is--this is damaging." 498 00:22:32,604 --> 00:22:34,771 When you hear it, it sounds disgusting, 499 00:22:34,855 --> 00:22:36,229 like I was just-- at that point, 500 00:22:36,312 --> 00:22:38,104 I must have been just, like, "Driving Miss Daisy," 501 00:22:38,187 --> 00:22:39,980 just, like, in the car all day. 502 00:22:40,062 --> 00:22:42,688 I never stole the Amex card belonging Elfrid Payton. 503 00:22:42,771 --> 00:22:43,730 What happened was, 504 00:22:43,813 --> 00:22:45,813 I was working for his financial advisor. 505 00:22:45,896 --> 00:22:48,229 I was essentially a part of his financial team. 506 00:22:48,312 --> 00:22:50,813 Elfrid Payton was in the rookie-sophomore game 507 00:22:50,896 --> 00:22:52,229 at All-Star Weekend. 508 00:22:52,312 --> 00:22:56,146 He directs me to put his card in my Uber account, 509 00:22:56,229 --> 00:22:58,896 to get rides when his family requested. 510 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:02,521 After I left the company that I was with 511 00:23:02,604 --> 00:23:04,646 and went over to work for Andy, 512 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:06,938 his card stayed in my Uber account. 513 00:23:07,021 --> 00:23:08,896 As I'm working for Andy's company, 514 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,563 I was basically doing most of the recruiting 515 00:23:11,646 --> 00:23:12,730 for the whole company. 516 00:23:12,813 --> 00:23:15,062 There was numerous people using my Uber account. 517 00:23:15,146 --> 00:23:18,146 At that time, the wrong card was being charged. 518 00:23:19,271 --> 00:23:21,730 NBA Players Association Union reaches out. 519 00:23:21,813 --> 00:23:23,896 They wanna know what's up. 520 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:27,062 Obviously, the union knew I wasn't certified with them. 521 00:23:27,146 --> 00:23:30,563 Andy, at that point, said that he had to sever ties 522 00:23:30,646 --> 00:23:31,938 because the union was on him, 523 00:23:32,021 --> 00:23:35,604 and had to make stuff look as if, like, it was a split. 524 00:23:40,312 --> 00:23:42,062 It was a bunch of small things that added up 525 00:23:42,146 --> 00:23:44,146 to be pretty fucking significant. 526 00:23:44,229 --> 00:23:47,146 I went too fast... 527 00:23:47,229 --> 00:23:49,604 And... 528 00:23:49,688 --> 00:23:50,980 it fucked us all. 529 00:23:53,688 --> 00:23:57,021 Uber-gate was done in May '17. 530 00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,104 Uber-gate sped up what was gonna be 531 00:24:00,187 --> 00:24:01,396 the inevitable anyway. 532 00:24:03,855 --> 00:24:06,104 - Christian wanted to start his own sports agency. 533 00:24:06,187 --> 00:24:08,604 So at that point, you know, he came and met with me. 534 00:24:08,688 --> 00:24:09,604 I took him to lunch. 535 00:24:09,688 --> 00:24:11,146 I explained to him some of the concerns 536 00:24:11,229 --> 00:24:13,104 that I had with what he was trying to accomplish. 537 00:24:13,187 --> 00:24:16,771 And, um, you know, he went off and did his own thing. 538 00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:19,938 - Andy and I, we essentially agree to 539 00:24:20,062 --> 00:24:23,104 all my clients--I had maybe a dozen clients in the NBA-- 540 00:24:23,187 --> 00:24:24,479 I'm gonna be their manager 541 00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:26,146 as opposed to being their agent. 542 00:24:26,229 --> 00:24:28,479 And I'm gonna build up my own business independently 543 00:24:28,563 --> 00:24:31,604 as a management company, and he'll represent my players 544 00:24:31,688 --> 00:24:33,813 on its NBA team contract. 545 00:24:33,896 --> 00:24:36,271 I would have handled the day-to-day management, 546 00:24:36,354 --> 00:24:39,187 facilitated their relationships with the agent, 547 00:24:39,271 --> 00:24:41,271 being Andy, the financial advisor, 548 00:24:41,354 --> 00:24:42,896 whoever that may be. 549 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:44,479 We would do marketing deals. 550 00:24:44,563 --> 00:24:47,312 Essentially, I would be the quarterback of the entire team. 551 00:24:47,396 --> 00:24:48,604 I needed funding to make 552 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:50,271 the management company a reality. 553 00:24:50,354 --> 00:24:52,646 - Christian, I think, was just overeager. 554 00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:54,688 The thing was, though, because of the way 555 00:24:54,771 --> 00:24:56,438 this business was going to have to operate, 556 00:24:56,521 --> 00:24:58,438 they needed untraceable cash. 557 00:24:58,521 --> 00:25:00,980 That's what you create with these rules. 558 00:25:01,062 --> 00:25:04,855 Instead of just it all being on the up and up, 559 00:25:04,938 --> 00:25:09,354 you have to hide it because of amateurism. 560 00:25:15,938 --> 00:25:17,396 The NCAA thinks 561 00:25:17,479 --> 00:25:19,312 you have to play for the love of the game 562 00:25:19,396 --> 00:25:22,563 and can't get paid to play sports. 563 00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:24,187 It's amateurism. 564 00:25:24,271 --> 00:25:28,354 Amateurism to college athletics is just their--their theory 565 00:25:28,438 --> 00:25:32,187 that allows them to not pay the student-athletes 566 00:25:32,271 --> 00:25:35,479 other than a scholarship, room and board. 567 00:25:35,563 --> 00:25:40,396 - The issue of pay for play will not go away. 568 00:25:40,479 --> 00:25:42,354 They'll--continue to be people that say, 569 00:25:42,438 --> 00:25:43,396 "These are professionals, 570 00:25:43,479 --> 00:25:44,896 and they ought to be paid like professionals," 571 00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:46,896 and I couldn't disagree more. 572 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:48,730 I think that would be the complete death 573 00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:50,021 of college athletics. 574 00:25:50,104 --> 00:25:53,062 - The NCAA puts legislation or rules in place 575 00:25:53,146 --> 00:25:54,938 that the colleges have to follow 576 00:25:55,021 --> 00:25:57,354 if you wanna be able to participate 577 00:25:57,438 --> 00:25:59,104 in their events, in their tournaments. 578 00:25:59,187 --> 00:26:02,730 - The NCAA thinks because of this concept of amateurism, 579 00:26:02,813 --> 00:26:04,771 they can stop the wheels of capitalism 580 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:06,271 in the United States of America. 581 00:26:07,771 --> 00:26:08,896 Never gonna happen. 582 00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:11,062 The way the system works, it-- 583 00:26:11,146 --> 00:26:14,896 you end up dealing with unsavory people 584 00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:16,896 or ridiculous circumstances. 585 00:26:29,688 --> 00:26:31,855 - Marty Blazer's a former business manager, 586 00:26:31,938 --> 00:26:33,354 financial person. 587 00:26:33,438 --> 00:26:36,312 I knew him because LaMarr Woodley, 588 00:26:36,396 --> 00:26:39,980 who would sponsor our AAU team in the beginning-- 589 00:26:40,062 --> 00:26:42,813 grassroots, in the beginning-- is from Saginaw. 590 00:26:42,896 --> 00:26:44,604 Marty represented LaMarr. 591 00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:47,604 LaMarr would fund our team, give us donations. 592 00:26:47,688 --> 00:26:50,771 - And so because LaMarr said Marty was a good guy, 593 00:26:50,855 --> 00:26:52,396 Christian felt comfortable 594 00:26:52,479 --> 00:26:54,479 to begin a relationship with Blazer, 595 00:26:54,563 --> 00:26:56,146 and he knew Blazer had some money. 596 00:26:56,229 --> 00:26:57,938 - I was never close to Marty Blazer. 597 00:26:58,021 --> 00:27:00,062 I literally think Marty Blazer's an idiot. 598 00:27:01,354 --> 00:27:04,062 But I did meet Munish through Marty. 599 00:27:05,354 --> 00:27:07,479 Marty Blazer represented players 600 00:27:07,563 --> 00:27:09,479 in conjunction with Munish. 601 00:27:09,563 --> 00:27:11,479 Munish was the chairman of a bank. 602 00:27:11,563 --> 00:27:13,146 He was a very connected person. 603 00:27:13,229 --> 00:27:15,855 I met Munish because he was trying to recruit athletes, 604 00:27:15,938 --> 00:27:17,146 to manage their money 605 00:27:17,229 --> 00:27:20,021 and to be their financial advisor. 606 00:27:20,104 --> 00:27:21,479 - It was really hard for me to understand how 607 00:27:21,563 --> 00:27:23,146 they ever came together, just socially. 608 00:27:23,229 --> 00:27:25,104 "What do these two guys have in common?" 609 00:27:25,187 --> 00:27:26,312 But in many ways, 610 00:27:26,396 --> 00:27:27,980 that was sort of the brilliance of Christian. 611 00:27:28,062 --> 00:27:30,521 - Munish and I had built a strong relationship, 612 00:27:30,604 --> 00:27:32,104 we had become partners, 613 00:27:32,187 --> 00:27:34,062 and we were gonna do our thing. 614 00:27:35,396 --> 00:27:37,855 We were specifically funding players 615 00:27:37,938 --> 00:27:40,312 and families with the hope 616 00:27:40,396 --> 00:27:42,229 that they would one day sign with us 617 00:27:42,312 --> 00:27:43,855 when the time came. 618 00:27:43,938 --> 00:27:45,813 The competition to sign players is a-- 619 00:27:45,896 --> 00:27:48,146 it's a blood sport. 620 00:27:48,229 --> 00:27:52,062 The most valuable and the most immediate return 621 00:27:52,146 --> 00:27:55,021 is gonna come off of players who are first-round picks. 622 00:27:55,104 --> 00:27:58,479 There's only 30 players every year in the entire world 623 00:27:58,563 --> 00:28:01,855 who get drafted first round and get guaranteed money. 624 00:28:01,938 --> 00:28:06,062 - Everyone's trying to chase this lottery ticket. 625 00:28:06,146 --> 00:28:09,980 Only one ultimate goal for every one of them: NBA. 626 00:28:10,062 --> 00:28:13,021 And it is a very tough path to get to. 627 00:28:13,104 --> 00:28:14,229 It's very hard to make. 628 00:28:14,312 --> 00:28:16,604 It's very expensive to make the NBA now. 629 00:28:17,438 --> 00:28:19,855 - Providing resources or paying players and a family 630 00:28:19,938 --> 00:28:22,479 is the cost of doing business, basically. 631 00:28:24,312 --> 00:28:27,187 The business model of financing prospects 632 00:28:27,271 --> 00:28:31,187 before they actually turn pro, it's 100% a gamble. 633 00:28:31,271 --> 00:28:34,896 You could fund a kid for years. You could sign him. 634 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:37,438 You could fucking do everything right. 635 00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:40,688 He could fire you at the end and go with somebody else, 636 00:28:40,771 --> 00:28:43,438 and that person who's done nothing gets everything. 637 00:28:43,521 --> 00:28:47,855 That is the realities of the representation business. 638 00:28:47,938 --> 00:28:52,062 - You have these high-probability 639 00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:55,438 multimillionaires sitting there. 640 00:28:55,521 --> 00:28:57,688 People are going to try to represent them 641 00:28:57,771 --> 00:28:58,896 and get in business with them. 642 00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:02,187 Nothing, no NCAA rule book is gonna stop that. 643 00:29:03,354 --> 00:29:06,438 - The first time I paid a player was probably 2015, 644 00:29:06,521 --> 00:29:08,771 as--like, actually, like, paid someone, okay, 645 00:29:08,855 --> 00:29:10,062 to sign with us. 646 00:29:10,146 --> 00:29:12,104 Everyone knew Andy was paying players. 647 00:29:12,187 --> 00:29:14,730 Andy been paying players since I was born. 648 00:29:14,813 --> 00:29:18,479 This wasn't a...like, a secret. 649 00:29:18,563 --> 00:29:20,938 One player can pay for ten. 650 00:29:21,021 --> 00:29:23,229 So if you're talking about spinning $50,000 651 00:29:23,312 --> 00:29:25,146 to make $5 million, 652 00:29:25,229 --> 00:29:26,813 I would think, you know, 653 00:29:26,896 --> 00:29:29,354 people in Silicon Valley would like those odds. 654 00:29:31,146 --> 00:29:35,104 The NBA Draft Lottery in 2017 was the first time 655 00:29:35,187 --> 00:29:38,271 I heard about any investment stuff. 656 00:29:38,354 --> 00:29:41,062 I was in New York City at the Draft Lottery. 657 00:29:41,855 --> 00:29:44,813 Munish said he wanted to introduce me to Jeff, 658 00:29:44,896 --> 00:29:47,354 who was this real estate mogul who wants to get into sports. 659 00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:49,479 I'm like, "Fine." 660 00:29:49,563 --> 00:29:51,938 Jeff D'Angelo 661 00:29:52,021 --> 00:29:56,104 is a very rich person 662 00:29:56,187 --> 00:29:58,771 with relationships and connections 663 00:29:58,855 --> 00:30:03,229 in Miami, the club scene, in New York City. 664 00:30:03,312 --> 00:30:06,646 He's an Italian guy. 665 00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:09,354 Looks--seems to be mid-thirties. 666 00:30:09,438 --> 00:30:13,104 Looks like he could be, like, on "Jersey Shore" a little bit. 667 00:30:13,187 --> 00:30:17,146 His personality was whatever, but he had a lot of money. 668 00:30:18,896 --> 00:30:20,479 Unbeknownst to me in the beginning, 669 00:30:20,563 --> 00:30:23,813 Munish was introduced to Jeff D'Angelo 670 00:30:23,896 --> 00:30:25,396 by Marty Blazer. 671 00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:29,521 Marty basically brokered the idea of 672 00:30:29,604 --> 00:30:34,146 Jeff D'Angelo being the investment vehicle 673 00:30:34,229 --> 00:30:36,396 to fund the management company. 674 00:30:37,396 --> 00:30:39,688 Me, Munish, and Jeff 675 00:30:39,771 --> 00:30:43,312 were the attendees for the first meeting. 676 00:30:43,396 --> 00:30:46,479 We have lunch at the Redeye Grill. 677 00:30:46,563 --> 00:30:48,855 I'm trying to explain to Jeff 678 00:30:48,938 --> 00:30:51,604 how the system works, what I do. 679 00:31:00,646 --> 00:31:03,813 My plan was to use my relationships 680 00:31:03,896 --> 00:31:07,312 with high school and grassroots programs, 681 00:31:07,396 --> 00:31:10,354 try to embed myself with them early, 682 00:31:10,438 --> 00:31:13,813 get them paid, and when it is time for them to turn pro, 683 00:31:13,896 --> 00:31:16,646 I'm able to represent them. 684 00:31:40,938 --> 00:31:42,604 - It was a productive meeting, it seemed. 685 00:31:42,688 --> 00:31:44,896 Seemed like we were gonna make some progress. 686 00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:47,896 I said to Munish, "This seems too good to be true." 687 00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:49,604 It's too good to be true because the numbers 688 00:31:49,688 --> 00:31:52,479 that he was willing to spend make no financial sense. 689 00:31:54,604 --> 00:31:55,980 - He said, "I don't have a budget. 690 00:31:56,062 --> 00:31:57,396 Whatever you need." 691 00:31:57,479 --> 00:32:00,104 You can't recoup whatever you need. 692 00:32:00,187 --> 00:32:02,604 So it just seemed like it was too easy, 693 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:05,896 but they invested into Munish's fund. 694 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,312 And once that happened, Munish was like, 695 00:32:07,396 --> 00:32:09,563 "Listen, it seems like bullshit, 696 00:32:09,646 --> 00:32:12,771 "but they did transfer over money to invest, 697 00:32:12,855 --> 00:32:14,354 and it seems real." 698 00:32:15,813 --> 00:32:18,438 - I was told it was a million dollars. 699 00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:19,521 - Yeah. 700 00:32:32,354 --> 00:32:33,354 - Okay. 701 00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:40,730 - Wha-- 702 00:33:23,312 --> 00:33:24,312 - Yeah. 703 00:33:37,688 --> 00:33:39,146 I have a meeting on a yacht 704 00:33:39,229 --> 00:33:41,187 in Battery Park, New York City. 705 00:33:44,271 --> 00:33:46,438 The yacht belonged to Jeff D'Angelo. 706 00:33:47,855 --> 00:33:49,855 I was told, like, this is the-- 707 00:33:49,938 --> 00:33:52,646 the inception of a new company. 708 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:54,855 Obviously, I'm the head of it, 709 00:33:54,938 --> 00:33:57,855 and they were happy to be in business with me. 710 00:33:57,938 --> 00:34:01,813 And, um, they wanted to celebrate. 711 00:34:02,896 --> 00:34:05,229 It was Jeff, Munish Sood, 712 00:34:05,312 --> 00:34:08,521 Alicia Carroll, Munish's assistant... 713 00:34:08,604 --> 00:34:10,396 Jill. 714 00:34:10,479 --> 00:34:13,396 Jill Bailey was Jeff D'Angelo's partner 715 00:34:13,479 --> 00:34:16,604 in their real estate mogul-dom. 716 00:34:17,354 --> 00:34:20,771 Marty Blazer was on that fucking boat too. 717 00:34:22,146 --> 00:34:23,938 Everyone's in a festive mood. 718 00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:27,521 Everyone's happy, excited. 719 00:34:29,146 --> 00:34:30,521 They popping champagne. 720 00:34:30,604 --> 00:34:31,688 I don't drink, so I'm like, 721 00:34:31,771 --> 00:34:33,438 "I don't care about any of that kind of stuff." 722 00:34:33,521 --> 00:34:35,855 I literally was just like, the whole time, 723 00:34:35,938 --> 00:34:38,938 "Give me my money. We roll." 724 00:34:41,021 --> 00:34:42,271 - Okay. 725 00:34:42,354 --> 00:34:43,354 - Yeah. 726 00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:05,521 - Yeah. 727 00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:10,604 And we officially execute the partnership agreement, 728 00:35:10,688 --> 00:35:13,646 operating agreement between Jeff D'Angelo, 729 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:15,646 Munish Sood, and myself, 730 00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:18,354 start LOYD Management Inc. 731 00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,604 I always called my management company, LOYD Inc., 732 00:35:21,688 --> 00:35:23,479 stands for "Live Out Your Dreams," 733 00:35:23,563 --> 00:35:25,563 the same company name I've always had 734 00:35:25,646 --> 00:35:27,855 from when I was doing events back in Saginaw. 735 00:35:29,354 --> 00:35:33,062 I get 50K cash that day. 736 00:35:40,563 --> 00:35:43,312 - I didn't think it was strange initially 737 00:35:43,396 --> 00:35:46,813 about the 50K cash because it was the first payment, 738 00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:48,813 like a celebratory moment, you know, 739 00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:50,396 wanna show off a little bit. 740 00:35:52,021 --> 00:35:52,980 We got the 50. 741 00:35:53,062 --> 00:35:54,813 "Let's make sure it's in the account, Munish." 742 00:35:54,896 --> 00:35:57,312 I don't wanna fly with 50K. 743 00:35:57,396 --> 00:35:59,062 There's no way I'm getting on a plane with 50K. 744 00:35:59,146 --> 00:36:00,980 I gave it to Munish's assistant, 745 00:36:01,062 --> 00:36:02,438 deposited it in the bank account, 746 00:36:02,521 --> 00:36:04,521 and we move forward. 747 00:36:16,271 --> 00:36:18,229 - Now that I think back, 748 00:36:18,312 --> 00:36:19,855 they just was trying to set me up. 749 00:36:35,104 --> 00:36:37,146 The yacht meeting, they made it clear 750 00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:38,521 that they wanted money to funnel 751 00:36:38,604 --> 00:36:39,855 through the college coaches 752 00:36:39,938 --> 00:36:42,896 and from the college coaches to the players. 753 00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,604 Their reason for paying the coaches is to have 754 00:36:44,688 --> 00:36:47,104 another level of protection and hopefully, 755 00:36:47,187 --> 00:36:49,855 the coaches would steer players 756 00:36:49,938 --> 00:36:52,271 towards our management company. 757 00:36:52,354 --> 00:36:53,730 They didn't want to do it 758 00:36:53,813 --> 00:36:55,062 the way I was traditionally doing it, 759 00:36:55,146 --> 00:36:56,521 which was through the players and the parents. 760 00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:14,855 - So whether I get players from the way I wanna do it 761 00:37:14,938 --> 00:37:16,396 or the way he wants to do it, 762 00:37:16,479 --> 00:37:20,438 as long as we have results and we are bringing in clients, 763 00:37:20,521 --> 00:37:21,604 it won't matter. 764 00:37:21,688 --> 00:37:23,730 If we have success and we sign players, 765 00:37:23,813 --> 00:37:25,062 if he's my true partner, 766 00:37:25,146 --> 00:37:26,521 he's not gonna give a shit anyway. 767 00:37:41,521 --> 00:37:42,771 - Yeah. 768 00:37:42,855 --> 00:37:43,855 - Right. 769 00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:49,896 - In reality, the reason for them, 770 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:52,271 from their vantage point, to pay the coaches 771 00:37:52,354 --> 00:37:55,438 was to fuck us, basically, 772 00:37:55,521 --> 00:37:58,604 and to get us in a situation where we were, 773 00:37:58,688 --> 00:38:01,688 "bribing" the coaches. 774 00:38:03,521 --> 00:38:05,563 In reality, Jeff D'Angelo and Jill Bailey 775 00:38:05,646 --> 00:38:09,146 are undercover FBI agents. 776 00:38:09,229 --> 00:38:11,354 In reality, they consider 777 00:38:11,438 --> 00:38:15,771 the colleges coaches to be public officials. 778 00:38:15,855 --> 00:38:18,479 So by giving money to a public official 779 00:38:18,563 --> 00:38:20,646 in return for a favor, 780 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:23,271 that is essentially bribery. 781 00:38:23,354 --> 00:38:26,855 They wanted me to use my relationships with coaches 782 00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:29,146 to execute on that vision, 783 00:38:29,229 --> 00:38:34,146 to essentially set me up to commit a felony-- 784 00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:36,062 or multiple felonies. 785 00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:53,021 Book Richardson is the assistant coach 786 00:38:53,104 --> 00:38:54,980 at the University of Arizona. 787 00:38:55,062 --> 00:38:57,354 Sean Miller is the head coach at University of Arizona. 788 00:38:57,438 --> 00:39:01,521 Book was loyal to Sean. 789 00:39:01,604 --> 00:39:04,146 Arizona was definitely more open 790 00:39:04,229 --> 00:39:05,771 to getting some shit done. 791 00:39:17,187 --> 00:39:18,855 - I don't know these people. 792 00:39:18,938 --> 00:39:20,396 I don't wanna ruffle any feathers. 793 00:39:20,479 --> 00:39:24,354 I know I need to get this funding in place. 794 00:39:24,438 --> 00:39:26,563 So at that point, I wasn't gonna 795 00:39:26,646 --> 00:39:29,354 completely shoot down 796 00:39:29,438 --> 00:39:32,062 everything I thought that, you know, 797 00:39:32,146 --> 00:39:34,521 he believed was the way to do business. 798 00:39:34,604 --> 00:39:35,855 I just wanted to get out of there, 799 00:39:35,938 --> 00:39:38,229 get the money, and move forward. 800 00:39:38,312 --> 00:39:40,730 - At the end of the day, Christian wanted to maintain 801 00:39:40,813 --> 00:39:43,396 as much of a relationship as he could with D'Angelo 802 00:39:43,479 --> 00:39:45,563 because he was funding LOYD Management. 803 00:39:45,646 --> 00:39:46,980 He was the one who was paying the money. 804 00:39:47,062 --> 00:39:49,521 This is a dream come true for a kid like Christian. 805 00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:50,730 But you gotta understand. 806 00:39:50,813 --> 00:39:52,438 He'd never seen $50,000 before. 807 00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:53,730 He's got 50,000. 808 00:39:53,813 --> 00:39:55,396 He's got a partnership agreement 809 00:39:55,479 --> 00:39:59,354 that has $250,000 written on it with his name on it. 810 00:40:01,688 --> 00:40:04,021 They signed the agreement and, you know, 811 00:40:04,104 --> 00:40:05,896 Christian goes off and now he starts 812 00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:08,396 his new partnership with Jeff D'Angelo 813 00:40:08,479 --> 00:40:10,563 and Jill Bailey, the FBI agents. 814 00:40:14,229 --> 00:40:16,312 - I learned about this story back in 2016. 815 00:40:16,396 --> 00:40:18,730 At the time, I'd been at "The Wall Street Journal" 816 00:40:18,813 --> 00:40:21,938 for about two years, and I had been hired there 817 00:40:22,021 --> 00:40:25,604 to cover New York courts and criminal justice. 818 00:40:25,688 --> 00:40:29,604 And I moved to the sports beat in mid-2016 819 00:40:29,688 --> 00:40:32,604 and sort of, like, looking around for stories. 820 00:40:32,688 --> 00:40:36,104 I think I made a joke about how I didn't know 821 00:40:36,187 --> 00:40:37,730 what I was doing in sports, 822 00:40:37,813 --> 00:40:40,271 and I missed my reporting on public corruption. 823 00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:43,771 And somebody who came from my previous beat 824 00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:45,271 sort of made a joke to me 825 00:40:45,354 --> 00:40:48,938 in around November or December of 2016 826 00:40:49,021 --> 00:40:52,813 that I might not be so far afield. 827 00:40:52,896 --> 00:40:54,938 And sure enough, there was this one case 828 00:40:55,021 --> 00:40:57,438 that I found involving this guy named Marty Blazer, 829 00:40:57,521 --> 00:40:59,604 and the SEC complaints against him 830 00:40:59,688 --> 00:41:01,646 were just fascinating. 831 00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:04,980 - Marty had his issues that were known 832 00:41:05,062 --> 00:41:08,021 with the Securities' investigation for 833 00:41:08,104 --> 00:41:09,604 "misappropriating" client money, 834 00:41:09,688 --> 00:41:10,813 or stealing money. 835 00:41:10,896 --> 00:41:13,396 - He took his clients' money and invested it 836 00:41:13,479 --> 00:41:16,229 in some film projects that he was working on. 837 00:41:16,312 --> 00:41:18,146 - You literally cannot make this up. 838 00:41:18,229 --> 00:41:19,646 - He had stole millions of dollars 839 00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:23,271 from clients of his to make a movie or some shit. 840 00:41:23,354 --> 00:41:25,980 - Um, one of them was called, "Mafia the Movie." 841 00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:30,646 - I know who you are. 842 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:34,146 Blood on your hands represents the lives I've taken. 843 00:41:37,062 --> 00:41:38,354 It's the gangster business... 844 00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:40,813 And I love it. 845 00:41:45,104 --> 00:41:47,563 - I didn't know he was, like, having a Ponzi scheme 846 00:41:47,646 --> 00:41:51,521 to become a, um--he had ambitions to be a movie mogul 847 00:41:51,604 --> 00:41:54,354 and was fucking taking players' money to do it. 848 00:41:54,438 --> 00:41:56,896 - The SEC confronted him. 849 00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:58,646 They said, "We're gonna charge you." 850 00:41:58,730 --> 00:42:01,521 - And he was being indicted on all kinds of fraud charges, 851 00:42:01,604 --> 00:42:03,813 identity theft, securities fraud. 852 00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:06,521 And when he sat down with the U.S. attorney... 853 00:42:06,604 --> 00:42:07,688 - And he said, "Wait, wait, wait. 854 00:42:07,771 --> 00:42:10,312 Don't arrest me just yet. I can help you." 855 00:42:10,396 --> 00:42:12,521 - He told them he had some information 856 00:42:12,604 --> 00:42:13,855 that could be of value perhaps, 857 00:42:13,938 --> 00:42:16,229 that could provide him some relief with his case. 858 00:42:16,312 --> 00:42:18,563 - "I know about this whole scheme 859 00:42:18,646 --> 00:42:20,354 "to bribe coaches, 860 00:42:20,438 --> 00:42:22,646 and I can help you investigate this." 861 00:42:24,104 --> 00:42:25,771 - The origin of the entire case was 862 00:42:25,855 --> 00:42:27,563 Marty Blazer. 863 00:42:27,646 --> 00:42:29,896 - Yeah, CW-1 is Marty Blazer, 864 00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:32,354 cooperating witness number one. 865 00:42:32,438 --> 00:42:35,563 So he was the first informant. 866 00:42:35,646 --> 00:42:36,604 - For a lot of that, he was on his own. 867 00:42:36,688 --> 00:42:38,646 He didn't have FBI agents 868 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:40,229 alongside him as business partners. 869 00:42:40,312 --> 00:42:41,271 So in the early years of this, 870 00:42:41,354 --> 00:42:43,563 it was just him going around, meeting people 871 00:42:43,646 --> 00:42:47,062 and saying, um, you know, 872 00:42:47,146 --> 00:42:48,604 "Do you want some cash?" 873 00:42:48,688 --> 00:42:51,521 You know, "We can work together. 874 00:42:51,604 --> 00:42:53,312 I can introduce you to this guy." 875 00:42:53,396 --> 00:42:54,730 And he's recording it himself. 876 00:42:54,813 --> 00:42:56,730 It's sort of like a freelance operation. 877 00:43:10,062 --> 00:43:11,855 - How you doing-- 878 00:43:15,229 --> 00:43:17,396 - And this is the genesis on the entire case. 879 00:43:17,479 --> 00:43:19,938 A three-year FBI investigation 880 00:43:20,021 --> 00:43:22,896 was created by Marty Blazer, 881 00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:24,438 trying to get out of trouble. 882 00:43:24,521 --> 00:43:25,896 - Marty was recruiting our players 883 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:28,438 that we was involved with at ASM. 884 00:43:28,521 --> 00:43:31,521 Marty wants to, you know, build a relationship. 885 00:43:47,855 --> 00:43:49,187 - So he's trying to get a lower sentence, 886 00:43:49,271 --> 00:43:51,646 and he's just throwing darts against the wall of stuff 887 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:53,271 that he can bring to the table. 888 00:43:53,354 --> 00:43:54,771 Munish was one of the people he said 889 00:43:54,855 --> 00:43:57,563 that was involved with paying players. 890 00:43:58,396 --> 00:44:00,354 They got enough evidence to tap Munish's phone. 891 00:44:00,438 --> 00:44:01,813 Once they do that, 892 00:44:01,896 --> 00:44:03,646 they talk--hear me talking to Munish, obviously, 893 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:06,312 because I talk to Munish all the time. 894 00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:10,104 They know of our plans. They know I need funding. 895 00:44:10,187 --> 00:44:12,479 They turn--they get to Marty. 896 00:44:12,563 --> 00:44:15,312 Marty makes the introduction to the--to the undercovers. 897 00:44:15,396 --> 00:44:18,396 And then, um, June 6, 2017, 898 00:44:18,479 --> 00:44:21,187 we were in a yacht in Battery Park. 899 00:44:21,271 --> 00:44:24,146 - On June 20th, Christian set up meetings 900 00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:27,229 for Merl--Merl Code and Book Richardson 901 00:44:27,312 --> 00:44:28,688 to go meet with Jeff D'Angelo. 902 00:44:47,604 --> 00:44:50,021 - This is only 14 days after the yacht. 903 00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:53,438 Christian is talking to Book, and he literally tells him, 904 00:44:53,521 --> 00:44:55,187 "I've hyped you up." Right? 905 00:44:55,271 --> 00:44:56,938 "This is what I think you can get out of him." 906 00:45:31,521 --> 00:45:33,062 - Book's saying, "Hey, thanks a lot. 907 00:45:33,146 --> 00:45:35,354 What can I do for you?" 908 00:45:35,438 --> 00:45:37,563 And Christian says, "You don't have to do anything for me. 909 00:45:37,646 --> 00:45:39,229 "I'm Gucci. I don't--I'm good. 910 00:45:39,312 --> 00:45:40,563 I don't need anything." 911 00:45:40,646 --> 00:45:42,104 And Book then gets out of the cab, 912 00:45:42,187 --> 00:45:43,563 goes into the meeting, 913 00:45:43,646 --> 00:45:46,646 and he gets his $5,000 from Jeff D'Angelo. 914 00:46:21,354 --> 00:46:23,187 - Oh, I know, I know, I know. 915 00:46:34,688 --> 00:46:37,146 - Merl also is on the way over to meet with the FBI. 916 00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:40,146 - Merl Code is a mentor of mine. 917 00:46:40,229 --> 00:46:41,938 I met him through Andy. 918 00:46:42,938 --> 00:46:44,146 Merl's working for Adidas. 919 00:46:44,229 --> 00:46:47,438 Merl was a facilitator and a relationship person, 920 00:46:47,521 --> 00:46:52,354 but also someone who-- who helped us recruit. 921 00:46:52,438 --> 00:46:55,813 He wasn't a equity partner, but we were so close. 922 00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:57,312 We had the resources. 923 00:46:57,396 --> 00:47:00,646 I'm like, "I'll pay Merl to open doors for me, 924 00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:04,146 "help me build relationships, maintain relationships. 925 00:47:04,229 --> 00:47:05,813 "Merl's good--been good to me. 926 00:47:05,896 --> 00:47:07,730 I wanna make sure he can eat too." 927 00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:08,980 - And Christian's telling him, 928 00:47:09,062 --> 00:47:11,604 "Look, this is what you need to do. 929 00:47:11,688 --> 00:47:13,855 "Let D'Angelo know that you can provide 930 00:47:13,938 --> 00:47:16,021 a great value to LOYD Management." 931 00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:33,312 - And Merl says, "Well, how? How can I do that?" 932 00:47:33,396 --> 00:47:34,354 And Christian's like, 933 00:47:34,438 --> 00:47:35,813 "Merl, just give them any fucking name. 934 00:47:35,896 --> 00:47:37,062 They don't know what they're talking about." 935 00:47:57,104 --> 00:47:59,062 - For Merl too, this was nothing other than 936 00:47:59,146 --> 00:48:02,229 Merl telling Jeff D'Angelo what Jeff D'Angelo 937 00:48:02,312 --> 00:48:05,062 wanted to hear, get money out of him. 938 00:48:05,146 --> 00:48:07,396 And the lack of respect that Christian exhibited 939 00:48:07,479 --> 00:48:08,771 was almost immediate. 940 00:48:08,855 --> 00:48:11,730 So there was really no relationship at all, 941 00:48:11,813 --> 00:48:14,062 even in the beginning of them 942 00:48:14,146 --> 00:48:16,229 coming together to form LOYD Management. 943 00:48:16,312 --> 00:48:18,604 He had no interest in bribing coaches. 944 00:48:18,688 --> 00:48:21,062 He wanted the money from the FBI 945 00:48:21,146 --> 00:48:22,438 to run his sports agency. 946 00:48:24,521 --> 00:48:26,229 - All these things are being recorded, all these calls, 947 00:48:26,312 --> 00:48:28,354 these thousands of hours of wiretaps. 948 00:48:28,438 --> 00:48:29,521 'Cause it wasn't just my phone. 949 00:48:29,604 --> 00:48:30,604 Numerous phones. 950 00:48:30,688 --> 00:48:33,438 There's at least one person, if not more, 951 00:48:33,521 --> 00:48:36,688 whose job is to just go in and focus only on 952 00:48:36,771 --> 00:48:39,438 monitoring those phone calls. 953 00:49:14,021 --> 00:49:15,771 - Mm-hmm. 954 00:49:15,855 --> 00:49:17,855 So in my head, I'm like, 955 00:49:17,938 --> 00:49:19,604 "He's just really that stupid. 956 00:49:19,688 --> 00:49:21,604 "He doesn't understand how the business works 957 00:49:21,688 --> 00:49:22,896 "if he thinks that it makes sense 958 00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:24,521 to just go out here and pay coaches." 959 00:49:24,604 --> 00:49:27,312 I was never, ever, ever 960 00:49:27,396 --> 00:49:30,312 given a player directly from a coach. 961 00:49:30,396 --> 00:49:31,479 Ever. 962 00:49:31,563 --> 00:49:32,730 I never signed anyone. 963 00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:34,813 If anything, I gotta fight the coaches 964 00:49:34,896 --> 00:49:38,312 to keep them from going to-- they wanna keep them in school. 965 00:49:38,396 --> 00:49:39,646 They don't want the fucking players 966 00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:41,146 to leave and go to the NBA. 967 00:49:41,229 --> 00:49:42,354 So I'm fighting with them. 968 00:49:42,438 --> 00:49:44,312 They're not trying to push dudes-- 969 00:49:44,396 --> 00:49:45,855 push dudes to the NBA. 970 00:49:45,938 --> 00:49:47,312 That's a lie. 971 00:49:47,396 --> 00:49:49,146 The only person who does that is Kentucky 972 00:49:49,229 --> 00:49:51,146 'cause they got five more coming. 973 00:49:51,229 --> 00:49:53,688 - Christian has the players locked in, in theory, 974 00:49:53,771 --> 00:49:55,271 before they ever get to the school. 975 00:50:41,312 --> 00:50:44,521 - Jeff D'Angelo is pushing, he's pushing, he's pushing 976 00:50:44,604 --> 00:50:46,771 the whole model to pay the coaches because it fits 977 00:50:46,855 --> 00:50:48,771 the government's narrative of bribery. 978 00:50:48,855 --> 00:50:49,896 - I'm trying to tell him, 979 00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:51,187 "That makes no fucking sense, bro." 980 00:50:51,271 --> 00:50:53,938 Like, "What are you talking about?" 981 00:51:23,312 --> 00:51:26,187 - I'm like, "Whatever. Okay, cool." 982 00:51:34,521 --> 00:51:36,062 What I was really trying to say was not, 983 00:51:36,146 --> 00:51:37,771 "Let's just go to the strip club." 984 00:51:37,855 --> 00:51:38,980 It was basically, like, 985 00:51:39,062 --> 00:51:42,062 showing him how much of a waste of the money was. 986 00:51:42,146 --> 00:51:44,646 Like, "If we're gonna just blow some money, let's-- 987 00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:46,646 "we might as well just take it and go have some fun 988 00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:48,271 "because that's what's gonna be the value 989 00:51:48,354 --> 00:51:49,479 that's gonna come out of it." 990 00:51:49,563 --> 00:51:52,229 I mean, I was obviously being a degenerate by saying, 991 00:51:52,312 --> 00:51:53,771 "Let's go to the strip club." 992 00:51:53,855 --> 00:51:55,312 That was w--you know. 993 00:51:56,646 --> 00:51:58,146 I might have been serious, who knows? 994 00:52:15,229 --> 00:52:18,855 - My investor says, "100%, this is my money," 995 00:52:18,938 --> 00:52:21,229 essentially, "I'ma let you do you, 996 00:52:21,312 --> 00:52:23,438 but you gonna fucking do what I tell you to do." 997 00:52:23,521 --> 00:52:24,980 - It's on the phone calls. 998 00:52:25,062 --> 00:52:27,604 You can hear it, the voice of the FBI agent 999 00:52:27,688 --> 00:52:28,938 having an "oh, shit" moment. 1000 00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:30,479 He's stuttering. He's stammering. 1001 00:52:30,563 --> 00:52:31,980 You can hear the anxiety from him. 1002 00:52:32,062 --> 00:52:34,813 "He's not gonna do it. What are we gonna do now?" 1003 00:52:34,896 --> 00:52:37,438 Keep on pushing him. Keep on pushing him. 1004 00:52:50,479 --> 00:52:52,146 - And I figured that he was pretty adamant 1005 00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:54,855 about not funding me 1006 00:52:54,938 --> 00:52:58,062 if I didn't do what he wanted-- wanted me to do. 1007 00:52:58,146 --> 00:52:59,896 So at that point, I had to make a decision. 1008 00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:20,354 - And the decision I made was to 1009 00:53:20,438 --> 00:53:23,187 go along with his idea that we should fund coaches, 1010 00:53:23,271 --> 00:53:25,688 get the coaches to understand what was happening, 1011 00:53:25,771 --> 00:53:27,229 then I would just take the money 1012 00:53:27,312 --> 00:53:29,354 and put it in my bank account and keep it. 1013 00:53:31,438 --> 00:53:34,396 And I was like, "Listen, if you think that 1014 00:53:34,479 --> 00:53:37,062 this makes sense, cool." 1015 00:53:37,146 --> 00:53:39,604 What I did, I called Merl, 1016 00:53:39,688 --> 00:53:41,563 said, "Listen, this guy's a fucking idiot." 1017 00:53:41,646 --> 00:53:43,896 Like, "There's nothing that we can do to save him." 1018 00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:47,062 - Literally, the same day within a couple hours, 1019 00:53:47,146 --> 00:53:49,688 he calls Merl Code up, telling Merl Code, 1020 00:53:49,771 --> 00:53:51,312 "I ain't gonna pay coaches." 1021 00:54:06,146 --> 00:54:09,521 "We gonna fucking set up these meetings. 1022 00:54:09,604 --> 00:54:12,104 "We're gonna tell the dude, D'Angelo, 1023 00:54:12,187 --> 00:54:15,896 "that these coaches are gonna get this amount of money. 1024 00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:17,855 We gonna take the money and keep it." 1025 00:54:24,855 --> 00:54:27,271 - Christian is on the phone, telling Merl, 1026 00:54:27,354 --> 00:54:29,771 "I tried to do things the right way. 1027 00:54:29,855 --> 00:54:31,938 "These guys won't listen to me, Merl. 1028 00:54:32,021 --> 00:54:35,312 "I've tried to explain it to them multiple fucking times. 1029 00:54:35,396 --> 00:54:37,104 They just won't listen." 1030 00:54:37,187 --> 00:54:40,604 - So I tell Merl, "Listen, line up some coaches, 1031 00:54:40,688 --> 00:54:43,688 and he'll give you the 8,000 a month." 1032 00:54:43,771 --> 00:54:44,938 Merl's like, "Cool." 1033 00:54:45,021 --> 00:54:47,271 I'ma tell them, "Spend 15, 20 minutes. 1034 00:54:47,354 --> 00:54:48,938 I'm not going to the meeting." 1035 00:54:49,021 --> 00:54:50,271 I'm not gonna be out here, 1036 00:54:50,354 --> 00:54:52,396 telling him to take no mo-- like all that shit. 1037 00:54:52,479 --> 00:54:54,312 We was both on the same page. Like, "This is dumb." 1038 00:54:54,396 --> 00:54:56,688 I didn't look at it like I'm stealing money from him 1039 00:54:56,771 --> 00:54:58,938 by setting up the meetings and just keeping the money. 1040 00:54:59,021 --> 00:55:01,312 I looked at it like, "I'm keeping my money 1041 00:55:01,396 --> 00:55:05,938 "because I'm responsible as a partner in this company 1042 00:55:06,021 --> 00:55:08,688 "to fucking keep the expenses low 1043 00:55:08,771 --> 00:55:10,229 and grow the profits." 1044 00:55:10,312 --> 00:55:13,354 - Christian and his friends, they were hustling the FBI. 1045 00:55:13,438 --> 00:55:14,855 There's no question about that. 1046 00:55:14,938 --> 00:55:16,479 That was a matter of just listening to the wiretaps 1047 00:55:16,563 --> 00:55:17,980 and hearing what they were saying. 1048 00:55:18,062 --> 00:55:19,688 But really, it was because Christian was trying 1049 00:55:19,771 --> 00:55:22,438 to tell this guy how LOYD Management should be run. 1050 00:56:03,938 --> 00:56:06,229 - The thing was Christian had no idea, really, 1051 00:56:06,312 --> 00:56:09,688 what D'Angelo was doing was trying to build a bribery case, 1052 00:56:09,771 --> 00:56:11,438 a coaches' bribery case. 1053 00:56:39,438 --> 00:56:41,396 Merl was saying the same thing we were saying. 1054 00:56:41,479 --> 00:56:43,563 "This fucking guy is stupid." 1055 00:56:43,646 --> 00:56:46,396 And so he's like, you know, "You gotta be very careful 1056 00:56:46,479 --> 00:56:47,896 coming off the Uber stuff." 1057 00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:50,146 You know, obviously, he knew what the deal was with Uber, 1058 00:56:50,229 --> 00:56:51,896 but he's like, "You gotta be careful. 1059 00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:53,896 "The way you handle your business, 1060 00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:56,271 you gotta clean your stuff up," which was true. 1061 00:56:56,354 --> 00:56:57,646 It was a fact. 1062 00:57:23,688 --> 00:57:27,771 I had knew someone who was formerly at the DA. 1063 00:57:27,855 --> 00:57:29,771 So I'm like, "Well, let me check with my source." 1064 00:57:29,855 --> 00:57:31,813 And this guy definitely-- retired DA, 1065 00:57:31,896 --> 00:57:33,980 worked over 20 years. 1066 00:57:34,062 --> 00:57:36,479 I wanted him to run a background check 1067 00:57:36,563 --> 00:57:39,146 on Jeff D'Angelo and Jill Bailey. 1068 00:57:41,688 --> 00:57:43,312 I gave him the names, 1069 00:57:43,396 --> 00:57:45,688 told him to call me back when he got some information. 1070 00:57:45,771 --> 00:57:48,646 He had someone that he knew at the FBI 1071 00:57:48,730 --> 00:57:50,187 do a background check. 1072 00:57:54,563 --> 00:57:57,521 Of course it comes up clean. Everything was above board. 1073 00:57:57,604 --> 00:57:58,855 Everything checked out of what they said. 1074 00:57:58,938 --> 00:58:02,312 So the guy who I knew who worked for the DA 1075 00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:03,813 calls me back. 1076 00:58:03,896 --> 00:58:04,896 "They're solid." 1077 00:58:06,062 --> 00:58:08,438 So that's all I needed to hear at that point. 1078 00:58:08,521 --> 00:58:09,855 Once we checked that out, I was like, 1079 00:58:09,938 --> 00:58:10,938 "I don't really need a PI. 1080 00:58:11,021 --> 00:58:14,146 I'll take that and roll with it." 1081 00:58:14,229 --> 00:58:17,521 We thought it was straight. Munish thought it was straight. 1082 00:58:19,604 --> 00:58:21,062 It was the worst thing ever. 1083 00:58:22,896 --> 00:58:26,146 - There came a point in time in investigation 1084 00:58:26,229 --> 00:58:30,062 where everything turned towards, really, 1085 00:58:30,146 --> 00:58:32,896 Christian hustling Jeff D'Angelo 1086 00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:34,521 and trying to get as much money as he could 1087 00:58:34,604 --> 00:58:37,646 out of the FBI, not knowing they were the FBI, 1088 00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:39,730 and doing the exact opposite 1089 00:58:39,813 --> 00:58:41,354 of what they thought he was doing 1090 00:58:41,438 --> 00:58:43,062 the entire time with the money. 1091 00:58:43,146 --> 00:58:46,187 And it really culminates out in Las Vegas. 1092 00:58:57,271 --> 00:59:00,521 - We met around late July, 2017. 1093 00:59:00,604 --> 00:59:01,688 We're in Vegas. 1094 00:59:01,771 --> 00:59:04,146 All the coaches in Division I basketball 1095 00:59:04,229 --> 00:59:07,896 are all in Vegas for the summer evaluation period 1096 00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:09,730 for the grassroots basketball. 1097 00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:11,438 So all the coaches were out there 1098 00:59:11,521 --> 00:59:13,688 to watch the young players that are out there playing. 1099 00:59:14,813 --> 00:59:15,855 The whole point of the Vegas trip 1100 00:59:15,938 --> 00:59:18,229 was to introduce college coaches to Jeff D'Angelo 1101 00:59:18,312 --> 00:59:21,187 because he wanted to be able to pay them. 1102 00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:24,771 I felt the easiest and most efficient way 1103 00:59:24,855 --> 00:59:28,021 to get everybody to knock it out, 1104 00:59:28,104 --> 00:59:29,354 instead of flying all over the country, 1105 00:59:29,438 --> 00:59:30,896 was to just have a meeting in Vegas, 1106 00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:32,896 get a room, and have meetings in the room. 1107 00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:36,229 I'm thinking, you know, a regular suite, 1108 00:59:36,312 --> 00:59:39,312 a suite at, you know, a local Marriott. 1109 00:59:40,855 --> 00:59:43,730 I get to the hotel, and, you know, 1110 00:59:43,813 --> 00:59:45,062 the suite's on one of the top floors, 1111 00:59:45,146 --> 00:59:46,688 one of the best suites they have in there. 1112 00:59:47,771 --> 00:59:49,938 I go in the suite. 1113 00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:52,771 It's huge, and I'm thinking to myself, 1114 00:59:52,855 --> 00:59:54,271 "This shit is crazy." 1115 00:59:54,354 --> 00:59:55,938 'Cause again, I'm going back to the numbers, like, 1116 00:59:56,021 --> 00:59:58,396 "What are we doing? This makes no sense." 1117 00:59:58,479 --> 00:59:59,771 It was ridiculous. 1118 00:59:59,855 --> 01:00:00,938 It was the best-- one of the best things 1119 01:00:01,021 --> 01:00:02,438 that they had in there. 1120 01:00:02,521 --> 01:00:04,104 It's laid out, drinks everywhere, 1121 01:00:04,187 --> 01:00:07,563 you know, wine, champagne, and a living room area, bar. 1122 01:00:07,646 --> 01:00:10,271 It was ridiculous. The room was crazy. 1123 01:00:10,354 --> 01:00:12,229 So in my head, I'm like, 1124 01:00:12,312 --> 01:00:14,104 "We're never gonna make money. 1125 01:00:14,187 --> 01:00:15,980 We've spent everything." 1126 01:00:16,062 --> 01:00:19,646 I wasn't even doing it from a moral high place. 1127 01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:24,604 I was down for some bullshit, but it makes no business sense. 1128 01:00:24,688 --> 01:00:26,771 Expenses have to recouped no matter what-- 1129 01:00:26,855 --> 01:00:30,521 what way you look at it, the house has to always win, 1130 01:00:30,604 --> 01:00:32,396 or you don't have a house anymore. 1131 01:00:32,479 --> 01:00:34,187 You lose everything. 1132 01:00:34,271 --> 01:00:35,980 I call Munish that day. 1133 01:00:36,062 --> 01:00:37,771 I'm like, "I know we checked into everything, 1134 01:00:37,855 --> 01:00:39,146 but this isn't right." 1135 01:00:39,229 --> 01:00:40,271 And at that point, I'm like, 1136 01:00:40,354 --> 01:00:42,187 "Maybe they with the mafia or some shit like that." 1137 01:00:42,271 --> 01:00:43,479 Like, "Jeff is Italian--" 1138 01:00:43,563 --> 01:00:45,479 Not to be racist or stereotypical. 1139 01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:47,521 I'm like, "He's Italian. May--he's got all this money. 1140 01:00:47,604 --> 01:00:49,062 Maybe he's in the mafia." 1141 01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:50,354 - Christian has made it clear 1142 01:00:50,438 --> 01:00:52,521 he's not gonna give any coaches any money. 1143 01:00:52,604 --> 01:00:54,771 Christian contacts a lot of his close friends 1144 01:00:54,855 --> 01:00:56,813 that are college coaches, and he has a lot of them. 1145 01:00:56,896 --> 01:01:00,688 He contacts Corey Barker from Texas Christian, 1146 01:01:00,771 --> 01:01:03,312 he contacts Preston Murphy from Creighton, 1147 01:01:03,396 --> 01:01:06,479 Tony Bland from USC, and others. 1148 01:01:06,563 --> 01:01:07,646 And he tells them, 1149 01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:09,354 "Look, I need you to come and do me a favor. 1150 01:01:09,438 --> 01:01:11,688 We're gonna go meet with the investors." 1151 01:01:11,771 --> 01:01:13,730 - We told the coaches what was happening. 1152 01:01:13,813 --> 01:01:15,855 "Listen, bro, this guy's stupid. 1153 01:01:15,938 --> 01:01:18,563 "He is my investor. Just go in here. 1154 01:01:18,646 --> 01:01:20,271 I'ma take the money off the table." 1155 01:01:21,938 --> 01:01:23,521 And what I ended up doing was taking the money 1156 01:01:23,604 --> 01:01:24,688 and keeping it. 1157 01:01:24,771 --> 01:01:26,021 We was in Vegas. "Let's take some of it. 1158 01:01:26,104 --> 01:01:27,229 Let's have some fun." 1159 01:01:29,104 --> 01:01:31,062 You know, Tony definitely was aware 1160 01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:32,855 that we gonna go in here, 1161 01:01:32,938 --> 01:01:34,646 I'm gonna talk to him about some players, 1162 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:36,271 they gonna put some money on the table, 1163 01:01:36,354 --> 01:01:37,646 I'm gonna take it. 1164 01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:38,855 He knew that. 1165 01:01:38,938 --> 01:01:40,521 I think it was 13K. 1166 01:01:40,604 --> 01:01:43,354 Tony didn't get it. I took off the table. 1167 01:01:47,271 --> 01:01:50,479 I was in Vegas. I just went gambling. 1168 01:01:50,563 --> 01:01:52,146 Sorry. 1169 01:01:52,229 --> 01:01:54,730 It was all kinds of money in that suite. 1170 01:01:54,813 --> 01:01:56,730 It was over 100K. 1171 01:01:56,813 --> 01:01:59,354 Jeff D'Angelo, he had a safe. 1172 01:01:59,438 --> 01:02:00,396 Whenever we needed some money, 1173 01:02:00,479 --> 01:02:01,771 he'd go to the safe and get the money out, 1174 01:02:01,855 --> 01:02:03,604 and it was real money. 1175 01:02:03,688 --> 01:02:06,271 It was never--it definitely wasn't five--I mean, fuck. 1176 01:02:06,354 --> 01:02:08,688 We had one meeting, there was 15K on the table. 1177 01:02:10,479 --> 01:02:12,896 I mean, it was-- it was a shit show. 1178 01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:17,229 And then fucking Marty Blazer popped up. 1179 01:02:17,312 --> 01:02:20,146 And that was around the time that I had just became aware 1180 01:02:20,229 --> 01:02:21,563 of the SEC stuff. 1181 01:02:21,646 --> 01:02:24,730 I was really hot that he was involved or around. 1182 01:02:24,813 --> 01:02:26,896 There's no purpose for him being in the meeting. 1183 01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:28,688 You know, Jeff is like, "Oh, he's out here with me. 1184 01:02:28,771 --> 01:02:31,271 It's fine. He's my guy." 1185 01:02:31,354 --> 01:02:34,062 I was just like, 1186 01:02:34,146 --> 01:02:35,813 "Yeah, no." 1187 01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:38,730 So after the Tony Bland meeting, 1188 01:02:38,813 --> 01:02:42,104 it was my last meeting of the day--of the night with 1189 01:02:42,187 --> 01:02:44,896 Jeff D'Angelo and Marty Blazer. 1190 01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:46,146 Later on that night, 1191 01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:48,187 I had another meeting with another coach 1192 01:02:48,271 --> 01:02:49,771 in a casino lobby. 1193 01:02:49,855 --> 01:02:53,938 As I'm leaving, walking on the casino floor, 1194 01:02:54,021 --> 01:02:56,396 I notice Blazer and D'Angelo 1195 01:02:56,479 --> 01:02:59,896 are together in the casino, gambling. 1196 01:02:59,980 --> 01:03:01,271 At that point, I just, you know, 1197 01:03:01,354 --> 01:03:03,980 didn't think anything of it and just left. 1198 01:03:05,646 --> 01:03:07,521 So after the Tony meeting, 1199 01:03:07,604 --> 01:03:09,938 we got, you know, roughly $13,000. 1200 01:03:10,021 --> 01:03:11,896 You know, we just went out. We--we partied. 1201 01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:14,896 We, um, did a little bit of gambling. 1202 01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:16,312 It wasn't a lot. 1203 01:03:16,396 --> 01:03:19,479 The rest was, you know, out at the club. 1204 01:03:19,563 --> 01:03:21,813 You know, stuff happens at the club. 1205 01:03:21,896 --> 01:03:23,855 You throw money and stuff like that. 1206 01:03:23,938 --> 01:03:26,980 And then the next morning, 1207 01:03:27,062 --> 01:03:29,312 the rest of the money was-- well, most of the money was 1208 01:03:29,396 --> 01:03:32,521 deposited in the LOYD business account. 1209 01:03:36,271 --> 01:03:39,187 Essentially, the FBI funded a great party 1210 01:03:39,271 --> 01:03:42,479 for some coaches and myself to just hang out. 1211 01:03:42,563 --> 01:03:43,646 N-- 1212 01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:47,104 No one was with us that night 1213 01:03:47,187 --> 01:03:48,855 thinking that we're bribing each other. 1214 01:03:48,938 --> 01:03:50,438 No one. 1215 01:03:50,521 --> 01:03:53,312 I would think in Vegas, we spent... 1216 01:03:53,396 --> 01:03:57,354 everything all in, over 100K. 1217 01:04:00,938 --> 01:04:03,271 - Correct, I got worried after the Vegas trip. 1218 01:04:04,604 --> 01:04:07,396 - It got resolved because Jeff was out of the picture. 1219 01:04:07,479 --> 01:04:10,187 - I think at the end of July, 1220 01:04:10,271 --> 01:04:13,354 Jeff D'Angelo just no longer was part of the investigation, 1221 01:04:13,438 --> 01:04:17,855 and the explanation was that Jeff had some family business 1222 01:04:17,938 --> 01:04:19,730 he had to tend to over in Europe. 1223 01:04:19,813 --> 01:04:23,813 - Jeff D'Angelo's mother... 1224 01:04:23,896 --> 01:04:26,229 is supposedly sick in Sicily, 1225 01:04:26,312 --> 01:04:29,104 and he's going over to take care of his dying mother. 1226 01:04:29,187 --> 01:04:31,146 I was like, "All right, cool. 1227 01:04:31,229 --> 01:04:32,521 Fine by me." 1228 01:04:32,604 --> 01:04:33,563 - At that point, 1229 01:04:33,646 --> 01:04:35,396 the government did not replace him with anyone. 1230 01:04:35,479 --> 01:04:38,646 They just went forward with Jill Bailey. 1231 01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:40,604 - I didn't wanna deal with him anymore anyway. 1232 01:04:40,688 --> 01:04:43,438 Jill was better and easier to work with. 1233 01:04:43,521 --> 01:04:47,521 Jill was much more convincing and appealing 1234 01:04:47,604 --> 01:04:49,229 from the standpoint of having a partner. 1235 01:04:49,312 --> 01:04:50,771 She just had her shit together better. 1236 01:04:58,146 --> 01:05:01,271 September 25th, I flew up from Atlanta. 1237 01:05:02,646 --> 01:05:04,062 I'm supposed to meet Jill, 1238 01:05:04,146 --> 01:05:06,021 and Jeff is supposed to be back. 1239 01:05:06,104 --> 01:05:08,521 Supposed to have this "come to Jesus" meeting 1240 01:05:08,604 --> 01:05:10,730 with everyone about the structure 1241 01:05:10,813 --> 01:05:12,563 and the budgets and the, uh-- 1242 01:05:12,646 --> 01:05:14,980 the plans for the-- for the year. 1243 01:05:16,271 --> 01:05:17,312 I was late for the meeting. 1244 01:05:17,396 --> 01:05:20,688 The meeting was at the W Hotel in Times Square. 1245 01:05:20,771 --> 01:05:24,354 So I go over to the hotel, to W. 1246 01:05:24,438 --> 01:05:26,271 Jill's in the-- she comes down to the lobby 1247 01:05:26,354 --> 01:05:27,896 to get me, to bring me up. 1248 01:05:31,354 --> 01:05:33,771 So we go upstairs. 1249 01:05:33,855 --> 01:05:36,271 I walk into the suite, 1250 01:05:36,354 --> 01:05:38,938 and I see two guys I've never seen. 1251 01:05:39,021 --> 01:05:40,229 I'm like, "This is strange." 1252 01:05:42,021 --> 01:05:43,146 We sit down. 1253 01:05:43,229 --> 01:05:44,396 I'm not saying anything 1254 01:05:44,479 --> 01:05:45,730 'cause I don't know these dudes. 1255 01:05:45,813 --> 01:05:47,646 I'm thinking, "Jeff is supposed to be here." 1256 01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:48,896 He's not there. 1257 01:05:48,980 --> 01:05:50,896 I start talking about some basketball players 1258 01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,479 and maybe some games in the NBA that just happened, 1259 01:05:53,563 --> 01:05:55,771 just trying to, you know, have a normal convo 1260 01:05:55,855 --> 01:05:57,312 'cause I'm thinking we're waiting for Jeff 1261 01:05:57,396 --> 01:06:00,646 to get there to talk about the real business. 1262 01:06:03,271 --> 01:06:06,229 And then Jill pulls out her badge. 1263 01:06:07,062 --> 01:06:10,146 She goes, "Christian, I'm a undercover FBI agent, 1264 01:06:10,229 --> 01:06:12,438 and you can save yourself." 1265 01:06:12,521 --> 01:06:13,646 And I'm looking at her like, 1266 01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:15,062 "What the fuck are you talking about?" 1267 01:06:15,146 --> 01:06:16,229 So I start laughing. 1268 01:06:17,604 --> 01:06:19,813 She's like--like, shaking her head like, 1269 01:06:19,896 --> 01:06:21,980 "No, I'm serious," like, "This is real." 1270 01:06:22,062 --> 01:06:25,146 I just said to her, like, "Yo, you gotta be shitting me. 1271 01:06:25,229 --> 01:06:27,521 You're fucking lying." 1272 01:06:27,604 --> 01:06:29,146 At this point, in my head, 1273 01:06:29,229 --> 01:06:32,021 I go back to thinking about the whole, 1274 01:06:32,104 --> 01:06:33,646 "This must be some Uber-gate shit." 1275 01:06:33,730 --> 01:06:35,646 I'm, like, trying to say to them, 1276 01:06:35,730 --> 01:06:38,771 "Listen, the Uber thing wasn't me." 1277 01:06:38,855 --> 01:06:39,938 They're like, "No, we already-- 1278 01:06:40,021 --> 01:06:41,604 Uber is the least of our concerns." 1279 01:06:41,688 --> 01:06:43,604 "We already know what the deal is there. 1280 01:06:43,688 --> 01:06:45,229 That's not what we're here for." 1281 01:06:45,312 --> 01:06:46,521 So I'm looking at them like, 1282 01:06:46,604 --> 01:06:48,646 "What the fuck are we here for then?" 1283 01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:51,646 And they said, "You've done a lot of shit that's illegal." 1284 01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:53,021 And then I'm like, "I don't even--" 1285 01:06:53,104 --> 01:06:54,521 I basically was like, "I don't even fucking believe 1286 01:06:54,604 --> 01:06:55,688 this is real." 1287 01:06:55,771 --> 01:06:57,396 It was a white guy and a black guy and Jill. 1288 01:06:57,479 --> 01:07:00,187 The white guys pulls out a computer... 1289 01:07:00,271 --> 01:07:02,771 and then he starts playing phone calls of me. 1290 01:07:14,312 --> 01:07:16,062 This is the fucking FBI. 1291 01:07:17,646 --> 01:07:20,062 So I was like, "Okay, wha-- what y'all want?" 1292 01:07:20,146 --> 01:07:21,479 That's when Jill was like, 1293 01:07:21,563 --> 01:07:24,521 "Give us Rick Pitino and Andy Miller, 1294 01:07:24,604 --> 01:07:28,062 and we'll--you'll be fine." 1295 01:07:31,187 --> 01:07:33,730 I had multiple phones at the time. 1296 01:07:33,813 --> 01:07:34,896 On one of my phones, 1297 01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:36,604 Sean Miller happened to be calling me. 1298 01:07:38,271 --> 01:07:41,438 When my phone rings, their phone rings. 1299 01:07:41,521 --> 01:07:44,438 Like, that shit was, like, duplicated, basically. 1300 01:07:44,521 --> 01:07:46,312 And I'm like, "Oh, shit. 1301 01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:49,271 This is-- can't be a coincidence." 1302 01:07:49,354 --> 01:07:52,021 They have my--like, my phone is their phone, basically. 1303 01:07:53,312 --> 01:07:55,229 This shit is crazy. 1304 01:07:55,312 --> 01:07:59,062 And I said to them--I said, "Okay, I'ma work with y'all." 1305 01:07:59,146 --> 01:08:01,563 I'm thinking I can say that and just leave out the room. 1306 01:08:01,646 --> 01:08:02,896 I'm stupid. 1307 01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:07,396 I basically tried to give them Marty Blazer, people like that. 1308 01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:09,146 I'm like, "I'll give you information 1309 01:08:09,229 --> 01:08:10,646 on how I feel about them." 1310 01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:13,271 They was like, "We already know that you don't like Marty. 1311 01:08:13,354 --> 01:08:15,229 That doesn't count. It doesn't work." 1312 01:08:15,312 --> 01:08:16,938 And then, "We want the-- we want people like Rick 1313 01:08:17,021 --> 01:08:18,730 and Andy and Sean Miller." 1314 01:08:18,813 --> 01:08:20,771 At that point, I start to stand up 1315 01:08:20,855 --> 01:08:21,980 'cause I needed a fucking deep breath 1316 01:08:22,062 --> 01:08:23,062 'cause I'm like, "This is really real. 1317 01:08:23,146 --> 01:08:25,896 They're going to really try this shit." 1318 01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:28,604 And so I said to them-- I stood up. 1319 01:08:28,688 --> 01:08:29,938 I said, like, "What's gonna happen?" 1320 01:08:30,021 --> 01:08:32,271 I said, "I ca--I'm not gonna actually go to jail 1321 01:08:32,354 --> 01:08:33,312 or anything like that." 1322 01:08:33,396 --> 01:08:34,771 And they're like, "Well, who's to say? 1323 01:08:34,855 --> 01:08:36,604 It's not up to us. It's up to the judge." 1324 01:08:36,688 --> 01:08:38,479 After that, I'm like, "Oh, shit." 1325 01:08:38,563 --> 01:08:39,730 That's when I got, like, hot, 1326 01:08:39,813 --> 01:08:41,604 and fucking taking my shirt off. 1327 01:08:41,688 --> 01:08:43,938 I was just so, like, hot. 1328 01:08:44,021 --> 01:08:45,730 I don't know how to really describe it, 1329 01:08:45,813 --> 01:08:48,271 but I was like-- it was overwhelming. 1330 01:08:48,354 --> 01:08:49,604 Basically, by the end of the meeting, 1331 01:08:49,688 --> 01:08:51,354 I'm in there like a R&B singer, 1332 01:08:51,438 --> 01:08:54,104 like, shirt off and just some jeans on. 1333 01:08:55,688 --> 01:08:56,813 And they were like, "Listen, Christian, 1334 01:08:56,896 --> 01:08:58,021 "you gotta make a decision. 1335 01:08:58,104 --> 01:08:59,021 "If you gonna be with us, 1336 01:08:59,104 --> 01:09:00,271 "you need to start wearing a wire now 1337 01:09:00,354 --> 01:09:01,354 "and start calling people now. 1338 01:09:01,438 --> 01:09:02,646 "We're gonna be here all night. 1339 01:09:02,730 --> 01:09:05,187 You're either in or you out, or you can get a lawyer." 1340 01:09:05,271 --> 01:09:06,980 So I said to them I needed to get a lawyer. 1341 01:09:07,062 --> 01:09:09,021 And as soon as I said I needed to get a lawyer... 1342 01:09:10,896 --> 01:09:13,146 The doors of the suite just burst open. 1343 01:09:15,980 --> 01:09:18,479 The team that they send to arrest criminals 1344 01:09:18,563 --> 01:09:20,312 that you would see on TV 1345 01:09:20,396 --> 01:09:23,646 or you seen in movies, they all bust out the doors 1346 01:09:23,730 --> 01:09:25,021 and they've got real guns pointed in my face. 1347 01:09:25,104 --> 01:09:26,271 At this point, I'm like, 1348 01:09:26,354 --> 01:09:27,771 "Well, they just gonna fucking kill me," like, 1349 01:09:27,855 --> 01:09:29,938 "It's over. I died 'cause of basketball." 1350 01:09:30,021 --> 01:09:32,855 It was multiple machine guns in my face. 1351 01:09:32,938 --> 01:09:34,604 I just put my head down 'cause I'm like, 1352 01:09:34,688 --> 01:09:37,438 "You know, I don't wanna see them shoot me." 1353 01:09:38,813 --> 01:09:40,187 I was beyond terrified 1354 01:09:40,271 --> 01:09:42,813 because I couldn't even comprehend what was going on. 1355 01:09:42,896 --> 01:09:45,146 That morning, I'm leaving Atlanta, 1356 01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:47,688 thinking that we're having a company meeting. 1357 01:09:47,771 --> 01:09:51,021 That afternoon, I have machine guns in my face. 1358 01:09:51,104 --> 01:09:54,354 At that point, they put the handcuffs on me. 1359 01:09:54,438 --> 01:09:55,896 And from there, they basically was like, 1360 01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:57,354 "Listen, you can talk to your lawyer, 1361 01:09:57,438 --> 01:09:59,354 "and we can make some kind of deal 1362 01:09:59,438 --> 01:10:01,187 and try to get you out of this." 1363 01:10:01,271 --> 01:10:04,855 And at that point, it kind of was what it was. 1364 01:10:07,271 --> 01:10:08,980 What happens next, they was like, 1365 01:10:09,062 --> 01:10:11,855 "We gotta take you closer to the courthouse, 1366 01:10:11,938 --> 01:10:14,021 "and it's gonna be--you gonna be in a federal holding cell, 1367 01:10:14,104 --> 01:10:15,396 "where, like, you know, some of the people 1368 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,187 that are in lockdown and other situations like that are at." 1369 01:10:19,271 --> 01:10:21,062 So I'm like, "Okay, that doesn't sound good." 1370 01:10:30,521 --> 01:10:32,980 So when I--when I go through the process 1371 01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:35,229 of getting registered, basically, 1372 01:10:35,312 --> 01:10:37,938 I'm in a room by myself because they're trying to get 1373 01:10:38,021 --> 01:10:40,229 my situation ready in the cell. 1374 01:10:40,312 --> 01:10:43,062 And then they fingerprinted me and did their whole thing, 1375 01:10:43,146 --> 01:10:45,479 and then they take me to the cell. 1376 01:10:46,813 --> 01:10:48,896 Where the cell was, was, like, a long hallway. 1377 01:10:48,980 --> 01:10:51,229 When I went down--when I got there, it was loud. 1378 01:10:51,312 --> 01:10:52,229 Like, you know, people were 1379 01:10:52,312 --> 01:10:54,104 talking and screaming and shit. 1380 01:10:58,187 --> 01:11:00,229 So I'm like, "Okay, this is gonna be fun." 1381 01:11:01,396 --> 01:11:02,938 They take me to the cell. 1382 01:11:03,021 --> 01:11:05,604 This is when I knew shit was gonna be crazy, okay? 1383 01:11:05,688 --> 01:11:07,062 Um... 1384 01:11:07,146 --> 01:11:09,479 The dude I'm in a cell with... 1385 01:11:10,855 --> 01:11:13,938 The last thing I heard him say to the guard, 1386 01:11:14,021 --> 01:11:15,646 "I'ma fucking kill you." 1387 01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:16,938 So in my head-- 1388 01:11:17,021 --> 01:11:18,938 again, I've never been in no situation like this. 1389 01:11:19,021 --> 01:11:20,938 I'm like, "If he gonna fucking kill the guard, 1390 01:11:21,021 --> 01:11:23,229 "I'm--this shit is over with for me. 1391 01:11:23,312 --> 01:11:24,980 I might as well cancel Christmas." 1392 01:11:26,813 --> 01:11:29,604 I'm like, "I'm just not gonna say nothing." 1393 01:11:29,688 --> 01:11:32,980 Maybe, like, a hour go by of me just being quiet... 1394 01:11:33,062 --> 01:11:34,771 and eventually, he goes, 1395 01:11:34,855 --> 01:11:37,146 "What are you here for?" 1396 01:11:37,229 --> 01:11:39,521 So I told him. 1397 01:11:39,604 --> 01:11:41,938 He's like, "Yeah, no, you here for something else. 1398 01:11:42,021 --> 01:11:43,980 "They didn't fucking put you in here or arrest you 1399 01:11:44,062 --> 01:11:45,980 for paying some basketball players." 1400 01:11:46,062 --> 01:11:47,396 I'm like, "I swear, bro." 1401 01:11:48,938 --> 01:11:50,521 I'm a curious person, 1402 01:11:50,604 --> 01:11:52,980 so I started to have questions, 1403 01:11:53,062 --> 01:11:54,312 and I was like, you know, 1404 01:11:54,396 --> 01:11:55,813 "Who are some of the people that's around?" 1405 01:11:55,896 --> 01:11:58,312 And then he was like, "El Chapo's upstairs." 1406 01:11:58,396 --> 01:12:00,104 "What?" 1407 01:12:00,187 --> 01:12:01,813 And I'm thinking, "Okay, how could I be 1408 01:12:01,896 --> 01:12:04,396 in the same vicinity as El Chapo?" 1409 01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,479 This cannot be real life right now. 1410 01:12:07,563 --> 01:12:09,688 No disrespect to El Chapo and what they got going on, 1411 01:12:09,771 --> 01:12:11,479 but now I gotta get the fuck out of here. 1412 01:12:13,855 --> 01:12:16,312 And then maybe around 5:00 that morning, 1413 01:12:16,396 --> 01:12:18,104 they came to pick me up, 1414 01:12:18,187 --> 01:12:21,354 and I end up waiting with the agents 1415 01:12:21,438 --> 01:12:25,062 to see the judge to do arraignment. 1416 01:12:26,604 --> 01:12:27,813 - No. 1417 01:12:27,896 --> 01:12:30,187 Dude, this was some third-world shit. 1418 01:12:30,271 --> 01:12:31,604 No phone call. 1419 01:12:31,688 --> 01:12:34,146 They did--I didn't even get offered to get a phone call. 1420 01:12:35,771 --> 01:12:37,688 - When I got out, they-- I called-- 1421 01:12:37,771 --> 01:12:39,021 I had a public defender 1422 01:12:39,104 --> 01:12:40,479 'cause I couldn't talk to any lawyer. 1423 01:12:40,563 --> 01:12:41,855 So I had a public defender. 1424 01:12:41,938 --> 01:12:43,354 And when I got out, I asked her. 1425 01:12:43,438 --> 01:12:45,229 I used her phone to, one, 1426 01:12:45,312 --> 01:12:49,396 see who else got arrested, and, two, call my mom. 1427 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,354 - Hailee, um, that's my daughter. 1428 01:12:51,438 --> 01:12:55,021 She said, "Mommy, Christian's on the phone. 1429 01:12:55,104 --> 01:12:57,187 He can talk to you." 1430 01:12:57,271 --> 01:13:00,271 - The call to my mom was the first time I had cried, 1431 01:13:00,354 --> 01:13:02,771 and the reason why I cried was because 1432 01:13:02,855 --> 01:13:07,396 my sister was on the phone too, and my sister can make me cry. 1433 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,730 And my mom basically is like, 1434 01:13:11,813 --> 01:13:13,563 "Stop fucking crying." 1435 01:13:13,646 --> 01:13:17,021 - So I told him, I said, "Hey, Christian." 1436 01:13:17,104 --> 01:13:19,229 Um, "Did you kill someone?" 1437 01:13:19,312 --> 01:13:21,396 - "Did you hurt somebody?" "No." 1438 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,396 - And I said, "Did you rape someone?" 1439 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:24,438 He said, "No." 1440 01:13:24,521 --> 01:13:26,730 - "Did you do anything to anybody?" 1441 01:13:26,813 --> 01:13:27,896 "No." 1442 01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:30,563 - "Did you steal from someone?" - "No." 1443 01:13:30,646 --> 01:13:33,396 - I said, "Excuse my language. 1444 01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,730 Suck it the fuck up and you're coming home." 1445 01:13:36,813 --> 01:13:38,730 - "Don't let nobody see you crying in here, 1446 01:13:38,813 --> 01:13:40,730 "go in there in front of that judge, 1447 01:13:40,813 --> 01:13:43,980 plead not guilty, and come home." 1448 01:13:44,062 --> 01:13:46,062 - And we hung up, 1449 01:13:46,146 --> 01:13:48,312 and he was home later on that night. 1450 01:14:02,312 --> 01:14:04,563 - Good afternoon. My name is Joon Kim. 1451 01:14:04,646 --> 01:14:06,187 I'm the acting United States attorney 1452 01:14:06,271 --> 01:14:08,438 for the Southern District of New York. 1453 01:14:08,521 --> 01:14:12,688 Today, we announce charges of fraud and corruption 1454 01:14:12,771 --> 01:14:14,938 in the world of college basketball. 1455 01:14:15,021 --> 01:14:16,479 - I learned Christian was arrested. 1456 01:14:16,563 --> 01:14:17,980 I was sitting in my office, 1457 01:14:18,062 --> 01:14:21,980 and I get a phone call from Christian's father. 1458 01:14:22,062 --> 01:14:24,021 And he's just screaming in the phone, 1459 01:14:24,104 --> 01:14:26,938 "Turn on ESPN! You're not gonna believe it." 1460 01:14:27,021 --> 01:14:29,312 And I've known Lou for a long time, 1461 01:14:29,396 --> 01:14:32,104 and I've never heard Lou in such a state of panic. 1462 01:14:32,187 --> 01:14:33,980 So I turned on ESPN. 1463 01:14:34,062 --> 01:14:35,354 I was watching the press conference, 1464 01:14:35,438 --> 01:14:39,021 and I saw the diagram and I see Christian's name. 1465 01:14:39,104 --> 01:14:40,312 And I didn't even know at that point 1466 01:14:40,396 --> 01:14:41,980 what it was about. 1467 01:14:42,062 --> 01:14:45,312 - Coaches at some of the nation's top programs 1468 01:14:45,396 --> 01:14:48,521 soliciting and accepting cash bribes. 1469 01:14:48,604 --> 01:14:51,813 Managers and financial advisors 1470 01:14:51,896 --> 01:14:54,479 circling blue-chip prospects like coyotes. 1471 01:14:54,563 --> 01:14:57,187 Dawkins was an athlete recruiter 1472 01:14:57,271 --> 01:14:59,521 for a sports agency 1473 01:14:59,604 --> 01:15:00,980 who was trying to start his own 1474 01:15:01,062 --> 01:15:02,646 sports management business. 1475 01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:03,855 - You know, at the time, 1476 01:15:03,938 --> 01:15:06,229 the press conference was pretty impressive. 1477 01:15:06,312 --> 01:15:07,521 You know, I was thinking, "Wow. 1478 01:15:07,604 --> 01:15:08,688 "They're gonna do something here. 1479 01:15:08,771 --> 01:15:11,187 They're gonna--they're gonna really get some people." 1480 01:15:11,271 --> 01:15:13,479 - The madness of college basketball 1481 01:15:13,563 --> 01:15:15,980 went well beyond the big dance in March. 1482 01:15:16,062 --> 01:15:18,396 Month after month, 1483 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,312 the defendants exploited the hoop dreams 1484 01:15:21,396 --> 01:15:23,688 of student-athletes around the country, 1485 01:15:23,771 --> 01:15:26,980 allegedly treating them as little more 1486 01:15:27,062 --> 01:15:29,521 than opportunities to enrich themselves 1487 01:15:29,604 --> 01:15:32,354 through bribery and fraud schemes. 1488 01:15:32,438 --> 01:15:33,521 - First time I heard about it was, like, 1489 01:15:33,604 --> 01:15:35,563 a quiet September morning. 1490 01:15:35,646 --> 01:15:38,021 Southern District of New York announces 1491 01:15:38,104 --> 01:15:40,479 the arrest of ten men, 1492 01:15:40,563 --> 01:15:44,021 including four active college basketball coaches 1493 01:15:44,104 --> 01:15:47,021 for bribery and fraud, 1494 01:15:47,104 --> 01:15:49,688 and that was a bombshell. 1495 01:15:49,771 --> 01:15:52,187 - After I was arrested, Book Richardson was arrested, 1496 01:15:52,271 --> 01:15:54,730 Lamont Evans was arrested, Tony Bland was arrested, 1497 01:15:54,813 --> 01:15:57,771 Merl Code was arrested, Jim Gatto was arrested, 1498 01:15:57,855 --> 01:15:59,438 Munish Sood was arrested. 1499 01:15:59,521 --> 01:16:02,396 I mean, ran up in they house, kicked they doors down. 1500 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,563 Someone was in the shower, pulled them out the shower, 1501 01:16:05,646 --> 01:16:06,771 you know, arrested them 1502 01:16:06,855 --> 01:16:08,354 in front of they kids, they family. 1503 01:16:08,438 --> 01:16:10,896 - And so you said, "How big could this get 1504 01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:12,271 if this is what they're doing?" 1505 01:16:12,354 --> 01:16:14,396 - The FBI is charging ten people 1506 01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,354 with fraud and corruption in college basketball. 1507 01:16:17,438 --> 01:16:19,396 - Well, this extensive FBI investigation 1508 01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,771 might as well be right out of a movie: 1509 01:16:21,855 --> 01:16:24,563 wiretaps, undercover agents, and informants. 1510 01:16:24,646 --> 01:16:26,438 - The FBI is involved, 1511 01:16:26,521 --> 01:16:28,062 and they're going after everybody. 1512 01:16:28,146 --> 01:16:29,271 - I think it'll be the biggest scandal 1513 01:16:29,354 --> 01:16:30,730 in the history of college basketball. 1514 01:16:30,813 --> 01:16:31,938 It could be one of the biggest scandals 1515 01:16:32,021 --> 01:16:33,730 we've ever seen in sports. 1516 01:16:33,813 --> 01:16:36,438 - You know, probably the one thing I remember 1517 01:16:36,521 --> 01:16:38,938 from the press conference more than anything was, 1518 01:16:39,021 --> 01:16:40,271 "We got your playbook." 1519 01:16:40,354 --> 01:16:43,229 - Today's arrests should serve as a warning to others 1520 01:16:43,312 --> 01:16:44,813 choosing to conduct business this way 1521 01:16:44,896 --> 01:16:46,813 in the world of college athletics. 1522 01:16:46,896 --> 01:16:48,646 We have your playbook. 1523 01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:51,104 - I knew having been a prosecutor, 1524 01:16:51,187 --> 01:16:52,896 you're not gonna make a statement like that 1525 01:16:52,980 --> 01:16:55,688 unless you probably got something to back it up. 1526 01:16:57,187 --> 01:16:58,229 - I mean, the Southern District of New York 1527 01:16:58,312 --> 01:17:00,980 is known for, you know, bringing the high pro-- 1528 01:17:01,062 --> 01:17:02,938 highest profile cases that exist in America. 1529 01:17:03,021 --> 01:17:04,479 They don't--they don't charge anything 1530 01:17:04,563 --> 01:17:06,271 unless politically, 1531 01:17:06,354 --> 01:17:08,604 they're gonna make an example of somebody. 1532 01:17:08,688 --> 01:17:10,146 - You know, the Southern District of New York, 1533 01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:12,438 they call themselves-- or the joke is that they're, 1534 01:17:12,521 --> 01:17:14,312 "the Sovereign District of New York," you know? 1535 01:17:14,396 --> 01:17:17,354 Even if cases aren't specifically in Manhattan, 1536 01:17:17,438 --> 01:17:19,813 they sort of see the world as their canvas. 1537 01:17:19,896 --> 01:17:21,479 - They don't lose. 1538 01:17:21,563 --> 01:17:23,563 They don't make mistakes. 1539 01:17:23,646 --> 01:17:25,980 These are very, very smart people. 1540 01:17:26,062 --> 01:17:29,146 - They wanted to make an example of what 1541 01:17:29,229 --> 01:17:31,187 they thought was the problem with college basketball. 1542 01:17:31,271 --> 01:17:33,479 - Christian was--was portrayed 1543 01:17:33,563 --> 01:17:35,813 as sort of the centerpiece of this whole thing. 1544 01:17:35,896 --> 01:17:39,021 He was the one they went after as, "Here's our kingpin." 1545 01:17:39,104 --> 01:17:40,813 - He was somebody that the government 1546 01:17:40,896 --> 01:17:42,396 could point a finger at and say, "See? 1547 01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:43,938 "That's what we're talking about. 1548 01:17:44,021 --> 01:17:46,479 "This is what's wrong with college basketball-- 1549 01:17:46,563 --> 01:17:48,813 that guy, Christian Dawkins." 1550 01:17:48,896 --> 01:17:50,312 - It's kind of crazy when you think of it like that, 1551 01:17:50,396 --> 01:17:53,104 like, everything was centered around me 1552 01:17:53,187 --> 01:17:55,187 like I invented all this shit. 1553 01:17:55,271 --> 01:17:58,229 The paying players has been going on for a hundred years. 1554 01:17:58,312 --> 01:17:59,521 Okay? 1555 01:17:59,604 --> 01:18:01,521 So that's not something that's brand new. 1556 01:18:01,604 --> 01:18:04,312 - Anybody who knows anything about college basketball 1557 01:18:04,396 --> 01:18:07,730 or this world knows if they are gonna arrest four guys, 1558 01:18:07,813 --> 01:18:11,146 they could arrest 40, they could arrest 80. 1559 01:18:11,229 --> 01:18:14,187 If you have the right middle person, 1560 01:18:14,271 --> 01:18:16,896 the right AAU coach, the right runner, 1561 01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:20,187 the right whatever who says, "I'll tell you everything, 1562 01:18:20,271 --> 01:18:22,187 "and I'll make a plea deal 1563 01:18:22,271 --> 01:18:25,187 that can implicate who knows how many people." 1564 01:18:27,312 --> 01:18:31,187 - My initial conversation with the U.S. Attorney's office 1565 01:18:31,271 --> 01:18:35,062 was about Rick Pitino, specifically. 1566 01:18:35,146 --> 01:18:37,438 - Rick's name-- when they arrested me, 1567 01:18:37,521 --> 01:18:40,396 they said to me very clearly in no uncertain terms, 1568 01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,396 "We want you to give us Rick Pitino." 1569 01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,938 They gave me the opportunity to work with them, 1570 01:18:45,021 --> 01:18:48,062 wear a wire, fucking not have to go to prison, 1571 01:18:48,146 --> 01:18:49,438 no--not even be charged, 1572 01:18:49,521 --> 01:18:53,229 and just give them Pitino and Andy. 1573 01:18:53,312 --> 01:18:58,730 - Their interest in Christian cooperating was... 1574 01:18:58,813 --> 01:19:00,896 Tha--I think was the whole plan 1575 01:19:00,980 --> 01:19:02,688 of how they were gonna bring things down 1576 01:19:02,771 --> 01:19:05,021 and how this case was gonna blow up into 1577 01:19:05,104 --> 01:19:07,521 what they professed it would be at the press conference. 1578 01:19:10,354 --> 01:19:11,521 - We're pretty confident. 1579 01:19:11,604 --> 01:19:13,104 - You know, my understanding of the conviction rate 1580 01:19:13,187 --> 01:19:14,521 with the Southern District of New York is, 1581 01:19:14,604 --> 01:19:17,104 you know, 95 to 97%. 1582 01:19:17,187 --> 01:19:19,146 - I was fully prepared to fight. 1583 01:19:19,229 --> 01:19:22,438 We admitted from day one, we did--we paid the players. 1584 01:19:22,521 --> 01:19:23,980 There's no point in hiding that. 1585 01:19:24,062 --> 01:19:25,521 It's not illegal. 1586 01:19:25,604 --> 01:19:28,104 There's no law in the world that says 1587 01:19:28,187 --> 01:19:31,521 breaking a NCAA rule is a federal felony. 1588 01:19:31,604 --> 01:19:32,771 There's no law that says that. 1589 01:19:32,855 --> 01:19:35,438 They twisted the law to make it fit. 1590 01:19:35,521 --> 01:19:37,271 - When Christian refused to cooperate, 1591 01:19:37,354 --> 01:19:40,021 they became laser-focused on punishing him. 1592 01:19:43,855 --> 01:19:45,771 - I was charged with wire fraud, 1593 01:19:45,855 --> 01:19:47,187 honest services fraud, 1594 01:19:47,271 --> 01:19:48,938 conspiracy to commit wire fraud. 1595 01:19:49,021 --> 01:19:50,104 I think we had money laundering 1596 01:19:50,187 --> 01:19:51,896 at one point on there. 1597 01:19:51,980 --> 01:19:54,771 I was charged with bribery. Dude, it was so much shit. 1598 01:19:54,855 --> 01:19:57,438 My maximum sentence was 200 years. 1599 01:19:57,521 --> 01:20:00,062 I was like, "Yeah, no, this can't be real." 1600 01:20:03,771 --> 01:20:06,813 I'll put it like this. 1601 01:20:06,896 --> 01:20:08,938 After we were charged, I go to the ATM. 1602 01:20:09,021 --> 01:20:12,229 I put my ATM card in the machine, and it ate it. 1603 01:20:14,021 --> 01:20:15,813 Fucking card didn't come back out. 1604 01:20:15,896 --> 01:20:17,604 I never seen nothing like that before. 1605 01:20:17,688 --> 01:20:19,187 So that's really what I got by with, 1606 01:20:19,271 --> 01:20:20,646 was money I just had around my house. 1607 01:20:20,730 --> 01:20:23,146 All my bank accounts were irrelevant. 1608 01:20:23,229 --> 01:20:25,646 I had, you know, at home, 1609 01:20:25,730 --> 01:20:28,396 close to 90,000. 1610 01:20:30,813 --> 01:20:33,730 - Yeah, I had saved up money. 1611 01:20:38,062 --> 01:20:40,187 I had some money saved, 1612 01:20:40,271 --> 01:20:41,730 and luckily, I did. 1613 01:20:41,813 --> 01:20:42,730 If I didn't have that, 1614 01:20:42,813 --> 01:20:44,396 I would have been fucking screwed. 1615 01:20:45,813 --> 01:20:48,563 - All of it--most of that money was FBI money. 1616 01:20:48,646 --> 01:20:50,521 If it wasn't for them having that dumbass idea 1617 01:20:50,604 --> 01:20:52,521 to pay coaches, I wouldn't have any money 1618 01:20:52,604 --> 01:20:54,229 to pay my attorneys and to live off of. 1619 01:20:54,312 --> 01:20:55,688 I would have had nothing. 1620 01:20:58,563 --> 01:20:59,896 - As I'm looking at this evidence with Christian, 1621 01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:03,312 it's very difficult to do because there's so much of it. 1622 01:21:03,396 --> 01:21:07,021 So I learned then that they had wiretapped his phone, 1623 01:21:07,104 --> 01:21:08,187 not for, like, a day... 1624 01:21:08,271 --> 01:21:10,354 For, like, three months. 1625 01:21:10,438 --> 01:21:11,646 So I said to Christian, 1626 01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:13,855 "Would you be concerned about anything 1627 01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:16,187 "that they would hear you talking about on your phone 1628 01:21:16,271 --> 01:21:17,354 "for the periods of time 1629 01:21:17,438 --> 01:21:20,896 of June 2017 through September?" 1630 01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:23,730 And he said, "If they got my phone, I'm fucked." 1631 01:21:25,187 --> 01:21:27,062 You know, so at that point, 1632 01:21:27,146 --> 01:21:29,938 I realized this was probably gonna be a tough case. 1633 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,771 You know, we made a decision that no matter how painful, 1634 01:21:33,855 --> 01:21:36,896 no matter how expensive, we were gonna have a trial, 1635 01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:40,187 two of them, if necessary, and we did. 1636 01:21:45,312 --> 01:21:49,730 - The first trial was for defrauding universities. 1637 01:21:49,813 --> 01:21:50,896 It was a fraud trial. 1638 01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:53,896 - It was a two-count wire fraud case, 1639 01:21:53,980 --> 01:21:56,563 and it was honest-- honest services as well, 1640 01:21:56,646 --> 01:22:00,938 um, that the schools were victimized by the conduct. 1641 01:22:01,021 --> 01:22:04,730 And Louisville was professed to be 1642 01:22:04,813 --> 01:22:06,312 the, uh--the victim in that case. 1643 01:22:06,396 --> 01:22:09,229 - Codefendants in that case were Merl Code and Jim Gatto. 1644 01:22:10,688 --> 01:22:11,771 Jim Gatto was the person 1645 01:22:11,855 --> 01:22:14,229 who did the deals for NBA players with Adidas. 1646 01:22:14,312 --> 01:22:16,271 Jim Gatto was Merl Code's boss. 1647 01:22:16,354 --> 01:22:18,146 Jim Gatto's a unbelievable person, 1648 01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:19,896 obviously, was loyal to Adidas, 1649 01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:22,104 had been at Adidas for 20-something years, 1650 01:22:22,187 --> 01:22:24,396 and was trying to help one of his flagship schools. 1651 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,312 - The first case was a slam dunk, 1652 01:22:26,396 --> 01:22:27,980 factual case for the government. 1653 01:22:28,062 --> 01:22:30,062 There was no way we could defend factually 1654 01:22:30,146 --> 01:22:32,312 what happened with Christian Dawkins 1655 01:22:32,396 --> 01:22:33,563 and Bowen family. 1656 01:22:35,271 --> 01:22:37,604 - I had a relationship with Brian Bowen Jr. 1657 01:22:37,688 --> 01:22:40,563 and his family dating back to when he was in middle school. 1658 01:22:40,646 --> 01:22:44,021 He played for my Dorian's Pride AAU Team. 1659 01:22:44,104 --> 01:22:47,479 I was providing benefits, or resources, 1660 01:22:47,563 --> 01:22:50,146 to the family off and on 1661 01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:52,438 from early in his high school career. 1662 01:22:52,521 --> 01:22:56,438 Brian Bowen's father 100% made it very clear to me 1663 01:22:56,521 --> 01:22:59,479 he's not going to school if he doesn't get paid. 1664 01:22:59,563 --> 01:23:01,187 And when he made the decision to go to Louisville, 1665 01:23:01,271 --> 01:23:04,312 at that point, yes, I did step in and try to, 1666 01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:09,229 um, create some level of assistance. 1667 01:23:09,312 --> 01:23:12,479 The family's supposed to receive $100,000. 1668 01:23:12,563 --> 01:23:16,855 - Brian Bowen's father, under oath, federal court, 1669 01:23:16,938 --> 01:23:19,146 said, "Oklahoma State: 1670 01:23:19,229 --> 01:23:23,271 "150,000, car, a house. 1671 01:23:23,354 --> 01:23:26,312 Creighton: $100,000." 1672 01:23:26,396 --> 01:23:29,354 Oregon was a astronomical number. 1673 01:23:29,438 --> 01:23:31,688 Arizona--hundreds--tens, 1674 01:23:31,771 --> 01:23:33,146 hundreds, thousand dollars out there. 1675 01:23:33,229 --> 01:23:34,146 Some of these schools aren't even 1676 01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:35,646 big-time basketball programs. 1677 01:23:35,730 --> 01:23:37,229 Creighton... 1678 01:23:38,563 --> 01:23:39,938 This is what these kids are worth. 1679 01:23:40,021 --> 01:23:41,396 - The University of Louisville's Rick Pitino, 1680 01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,021 one of the winningest coaches in college basketball history, 1681 01:23:44,104 --> 01:23:47,229 effectively fired today amid an FBI investigation 1682 01:23:47,312 --> 01:23:48,521 that has exposed what looks like 1683 01:23:48,604 --> 01:23:51,062 the dark underbelly of the NCAA. 1684 01:23:51,146 --> 01:23:53,771 - The only reason why the FBI even knows 1685 01:23:53,855 --> 01:23:56,855 or could prove anything was because fucking... 1686 01:23:56,938 --> 01:23:58,396 Adidas was late on the money. 1687 01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,855 I had to figure out a way to get the father 1688 01:24:00,938 --> 01:24:02,980 what was promised him. 1689 01:24:03,062 --> 01:24:06,187 And I went to Jeff D'Angelo, 1690 01:24:06,271 --> 01:24:08,396 and he was like, "I'll put up the money." 1691 01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,730 And at that point, obviously, that's FBI money. 1692 01:24:10,813 --> 01:24:13,062 They knew what was happening. They had a paper trail. 1693 01:24:13,146 --> 01:24:14,980 And they wrapped everything into it that way. 1694 01:24:25,563 --> 01:24:28,896 - If Adidas just does the shit quicker 1695 01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:31,229 or if Brian Sr. doesn't need the money 1696 01:24:31,312 --> 01:24:33,146 that bad at that time, 1697 01:24:33,229 --> 01:24:35,688 there's no way they would have even known. 1698 01:24:35,771 --> 01:24:37,896 It just was a bunch of bad luck. 1699 01:24:37,980 --> 01:24:41,062 - The defense never denied that the money got paid out. 1700 01:24:41,146 --> 01:24:43,062 - And there's no way to deny that because 1701 01:24:43,146 --> 01:24:44,479 there were cooperating witnesses 1702 01:24:44,563 --> 01:24:46,896 who actually made the money transfer. 1703 01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:48,896 They gave the guy the money. 1704 01:24:49,021 --> 01:24:51,146 - Muni Sood cooperated with the government, 1705 01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:53,104 provided testimony against Christian Dawkins 1706 01:24:53,187 --> 01:24:55,479 and Merl Code. 1707 01:24:55,563 --> 01:24:58,146 - They call back the verdict. 1708 01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:59,688 We lose. 1709 01:25:06,396 --> 01:25:08,938 - He got six months, was the sentence, 1710 01:25:09,021 --> 01:25:10,771 which we appealed, 1711 01:25:10,855 --> 01:25:13,438 which allowed him to be out on an appeal bond, 1712 01:25:13,521 --> 01:25:15,938 awaiting a decision to see if we have a right 1713 01:25:16,021 --> 01:25:18,271 to a new trial because it was such a unique case 1714 01:25:18,354 --> 01:25:20,271 that had never been really tried before 1715 01:25:20,354 --> 01:25:21,396 in the history of the country. 1716 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:22,813 - A legal precedent has been set. 1717 01:25:22,896 --> 01:25:24,980 In theory, they're saying, 1718 01:25:25,062 --> 01:25:28,438 "If you cause an athlete to no longer be eligible 1719 01:25:28,521 --> 01:25:31,438 for his scholarship, you've defrauded a school," 1720 01:25:31,521 --> 01:25:33,980 which is a felony now, a federal felony. 1721 01:25:34,062 --> 01:25:36,813 Now that could mean any booster 1722 01:25:36,896 --> 01:25:39,604 that gives any money to an athlete. 1723 01:25:39,688 --> 01:25:42,813 That could be the local pizza shop, 1724 01:25:42,896 --> 01:25:45,146 when the kid comes in and he's the star quarterback, 1725 01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:46,855 and say, "Here's a free slice of pizza." 1726 01:25:46,938 --> 01:25:48,771 You've now made these players ineligible. 1727 01:25:48,855 --> 01:25:52,479 Have you just defrauded this massive university? 1728 01:25:52,563 --> 01:25:53,813 I don't know. 1729 01:25:53,896 --> 01:25:56,771 - If was giving that same money to a professional player, 1730 01:25:56,855 --> 01:25:58,479 it's totally fine. 1731 01:25:58,563 --> 01:26:00,146 But if I was giving that money to someone 1732 01:26:00,229 --> 01:26:01,479 who was in high school, 1733 01:26:01,563 --> 01:26:03,896 who just didn't go to college, 1734 01:26:03,980 --> 01:26:05,438 who just was like, "I'm not going to the NCAA. 1735 01:26:05,521 --> 01:26:07,813 I'ma go to the D-League," it's totally fine. 1736 01:26:07,896 --> 01:26:10,021 But just because someone wants to play basketball in college, 1737 01:26:10,104 --> 01:26:11,479 it's wire fraud? 1738 01:26:11,563 --> 01:26:13,813 It does--that doesn't even make common sense to me. 1739 01:26:13,896 --> 01:26:17,021 - But it's also crazy when Louisville 1740 01:26:17,104 --> 01:26:19,354 pretty undeniably is one of the dirtiest, 1741 01:26:19,438 --> 01:26:21,312 most noncompliant schools 1742 01:26:21,396 --> 01:26:23,521 in the history of college basketball. 1743 01:26:23,604 --> 01:26:26,354 - Yeah, this was not Louisville's first 1744 01:26:26,438 --> 01:26:29,187 NCAA infractions rodeo. 1745 01:26:29,271 --> 01:26:32,521 They've been down this path a few times. 1746 01:26:32,604 --> 01:26:35,021 - I am beyond pissed off that government 1747 01:26:35,104 --> 01:26:39,521 is implying that we victimized a university, 1748 01:26:39,604 --> 01:26:40,688 and in my particular case, 1749 01:26:40,771 --> 01:26:43,855 a university that just had came off of a... 1750 01:26:43,938 --> 01:26:47,021 whore scandal on campus. 1751 01:26:47,104 --> 01:26:49,521 - The University of Louisville men's basketball team 1752 01:26:49,604 --> 01:26:51,354 isn't commenting on allegations 1753 01:26:51,438 --> 01:26:54,896 that the team provided escorts to have sex with recruits. 1754 01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:56,730 - Tina Powell says she brought girls 1755 01:26:56,813 --> 01:26:58,396 to perform at Billy Minardi Hall 1756 01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,229 22 times between 2010 and 2014. 1757 01:27:02,312 --> 01:27:06,563 - That, obviously, is frowned upon by the NCAA rule book. 1758 01:27:06,646 --> 01:27:08,604 - No one got fired. 1759 01:27:08,688 --> 01:27:11,021 Fuck charged and with felonies. 1760 01:27:11,104 --> 01:27:14,396 No one even got a slap on the wrist. 1761 01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,688 Yeah, you take down a national championship banner. 1762 01:27:16,771 --> 01:27:20,062 Okay, they still won a national championship, bro. 1763 01:27:20,146 --> 01:27:22,271 If you can survive a whore scandal, 1764 01:27:22,354 --> 01:27:23,771 you can survive anything. 1765 01:27:23,855 --> 01:27:25,312 If this was Cleveland State, 1766 01:27:25,396 --> 01:27:27,062 the fucking whole team would be done. 1767 01:27:27,146 --> 01:27:29,730 This was--if this was Western Michigan, 1768 01:27:29,813 --> 01:27:31,813 the whole program would be out of here. 1769 01:27:31,896 --> 01:27:33,730 And they would try to-- the NCAA would try to 1770 01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:36,146 save face by punishing someone like that, 1771 01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:38,479 but they're not gonna fucking punish the real schools 1772 01:27:38,563 --> 01:27:40,938 'cause they make too much money off of them. 1773 01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:44,396 These are sponsorship deals 1774 01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,938 that the different shoe companies have 1775 01:27:47,021 --> 01:27:48,604 with particular colleges. 1776 01:27:48,688 --> 01:27:50,688 You have UCLA and Under Armour, 1777 01:27:50,771 --> 01:27:53,062 there's $280 million, which is ridiculous. 1778 01:27:53,146 --> 01:27:55,813 Ohio State, football school, mainly, 1779 01:27:55,896 --> 01:27:58,438 but also is a pretty big-time basketball program. 1780 01:27:58,521 --> 01:28:01,730 They bringing in $252 million with Nike. 1781 01:28:01,813 --> 01:28:02,980 Texas and Nike, 1782 01:28:03,062 --> 01:28:05,312 they're bringing in $250 million. 1783 01:28:05,396 --> 01:28:07,062 Kansas and Adidas... 1784 01:28:07,146 --> 01:28:08,938 Kansas was, obviously, one of the schools involved 1785 01:28:09,021 --> 01:28:12,730 in our trial who was allegedly a victim of getting 1786 01:28:12,813 --> 01:28:14,563 really good players from Adidas, 1787 01:28:14,646 --> 01:28:17,146 who was giving them $191 million. 1788 01:28:17,229 --> 01:28:20,938 Michigan and Nike, they're at $173 million. 1789 01:28:21,021 --> 01:28:22,980 And then you have Louisville. 1790 01:28:23,062 --> 01:28:25,187 Adidas gave Louisville $160 million, 1791 01:28:25,271 --> 01:28:28,688 and we allegedly defrauded them with Adidas 1792 01:28:28,771 --> 01:28:31,604 out of a scholarship valued-- I don't know--a couple-- 1793 01:28:31,688 --> 01:28:33,604 I mean, a hundred grand or so. 1794 01:28:33,688 --> 01:28:36,312 So that's the crime that we committed. 1795 01:28:36,396 --> 01:28:39,604 - Louisville takes $165 million from Adidas 1796 01:28:39,688 --> 01:28:42,646 and then pretends they don't work for Adidas. 1797 01:28:42,730 --> 01:28:46,438 Someone gives you $165 million, you work for them. 1798 01:28:46,521 --> 01:28:48,271 That's how it is. 1799 01:28:48,354 --> 01:28:50,688 You know, you can't possibly be the victim 1800 01:28:50,771 --> 01:28:53,312 of someone giving you $165 million 1801 01:28:53,396 --> 01:28:56,438 and great basketball players for your team. 1802 01:28:59,146 --> 01:29:02,521 - Second trial was derivative of pretty much just bribery. 1803 01:29:02,604 --> 01:29:04,312 Everything derived out of the bribery 1804 01:29:04,396 --> 01:29:07,271 of Christian giving coaches money. 1805 01:29:07,354 --> 01:29:10,354 And the whole real premise of that second case 1806 01:29:10,438 --> 01:29:13,521 was that by doing so, the schools were victimized 1807 01:29:13,604 --> 01:29:17,896 by Christian and the coaches for fraud, basically, 1808 01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:21,021 that the schools were harmed as a result of that 1809 01:29:21,104 --> 01:29:23,187 interaction between Christian and the coaches. 1810 01:29:23,271 --> 01:29:26,146 Our defense was a lot of what the government 1811 01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:28,187 said happened did not happen, 1812 01:29:28,271 --> 01:29:31,021 and we believed we had evidence of that. 1813 01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,479 Chronologically, we have these phone calls. 1814 01:29:38,563 --> 01:29:41,021 We started seeing a different picture 1815 01:29:41,104 --> 01:29:44,229 that wasn't necessarily being portrayed by the government. 1816 01:29:44,312 --> 01:29:46,771 And I call Christian up, and I'm saying, 1817 01:29:46,855 --> 01:29:49,354 "Dude, is-- am I hearing this right? 1818 01:29:49,438 --> 01:29:51,312 "You literally told the FBI agent, 1819 01:29:51,396 --> 01:29:53,229 "who you didn't know was an FBI agent, 1820 01:29:53,312 --> 01:29:54,730 "that you wanted to take the money 1821 01:29:54,813 --> 01:29:57,229 and not give it to the coaches, but go get some hookers"? 1822 01:29:57,312 --> 01:29:58,604 "I know. I--I shouldn't have said that." 1823 01:29:58,688 --> 01:30:00,354 I said, "It's good you said that." 1824 01:30:00,438 --> 01:30:03,312 Because we felt that if that played out in open court, 1825 01:30:03,396 --> 01:30:06,104 we had the potential of embarrassment. 1826 01:30:06,187 --> 01:30:07,396 And one thing we knew about 1827 01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,396 the Southern District of New York, 1828 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:09,730 they don't like embarrassing. 1829 01:30:12,271 --> 01:30:14,438 - When you looked at it, you said, 1830 01:30:14,521 --> 01:30:17,438 "We're--we have the wrong guys on trial." 1831 01:30:17,521 --> 01:30:21,229 Marty Blazer is a person who stole money 1832 01:30:21,312 --> 01:30:25,771 testifying against two guys who gave people money. 1833 01:30:25,855 --> 01:30:29,187 We sat there and watched Marty Blazer testify. 1834 01:30:29,271 --> 01:30:31,771 I believe it took half a day to go through 1835 01:30:31,855 --> 01:30:36,271 all of the various crimes, schemes, and lies 1836 01:30:36,354 --> 01:30:39,187 that Marty Blazer was involved with. 1837 01:30:39,271 --> 01:30:41,438 - Marty Blazer's testimony was four days long. 1838 01:30:41,521 --> 01:30:44,604 It was a whole week of nothing but, 1839 01:30:44,688 --> 01:30:47,438 "I wore recordings. This is what Christian did." 1840 01:30:47,521 --> 01:30:49,604 It was nothing but Marty Blazer 1841 01:30:49,688 --> 01:30:51,980 doing everything he possibly could 1842 01:30:52,062 --> 01:30:55,438 to show the government that he substantially complied, 1843 01:30:55,521 --> 01:30:57,479 right, as part of his cooperation agreement-- 1844 01:30:57,563 --> 01:30:58,771 that's the language in it-- 1845 01:30:58,855 --> 01:31:01,604 and for that substantial compliance and assistance 1846 01:31:01,688 --> 01:31:04,813 in seeing Christian Dawkins convicted and prosecuted, 1847 01:31:04,896 --> 01:31:06,938 that he then could avoid going to prison. 1848 01:31:07,021 --> 01:31:10,229 I mean, is that a fair system? I would say probably not. 1849 01:31:13,271 --> 01:31:14,938 - Marty Blazer should-- yeah, he should-- 1850 01:31:15,021 --> 01:31:16,479 probably should go to prison. 1851 01:31:16,563 --> 01:31:17,938 He should probably go. 1852 01:31:18,021 --> 01:31:19,479 He's stealing that much money to do a movie, 1853 01:31:19,563 --> 01:31:21,604 and it was a shit movie on top of that? 1854 01:31:21,688 --> 01:31:23,980 That-- you should go to prison, bro. 1855 01:31:24,062 --> 01:31:26,980 Marty Blazer's an idiot. 1856 01:31:27,062 --> 01:31:28,980 - The biggest surprise for me 1857 01:31:29,062 --> 01:31:33,646 was finding the conduct of the FBI. 1858 01:31:33,730 --> 01:31:36,563 - I found out that the FBI agents 1859 01:31:36,646 --> 01:31:41,021 were accused of-- or alleged to have stole money 1860 01:31:41,104 --> 01:31:42,980 from the investigation 1861 01:31:43,062 --> 01:31:45,438 via the "The Wall Street Journal" article. 1862 01:31:45,521 --> 01:31:47,479 - Somebody involved 1863 01:31:47,563 --> 01:31:51,855 gave me kind of a nudge to look into, 1864 01:31:51,938 --> 01:31:53,646 you know, something had happened in Las Vegas. 1865 01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:56,062 I was told to pay attention to some court filings 1866 01:31:56,146 --> 01:31:58,187 that were coming out that would 1867 01:31:58,271 --> 01:32:02,021 make it clear that there had been some FBI misconduct. 1868 01:32:02,104 --> 01:32:04,021 In the middle of this investigation-- 1869 01:32:04,104 --> 01:32:06,312 it's a heated investigation-- shortly after, 1870 01:32:06,396 --> 01:32:09,604 they're all in Las Vegas doing these meetings with coaches. 1871 01:32:09,688 --> 01:32:13,062 This one undercover just sort of was like, 1872 01:32:13,146 --> 01:32:14,479 "I have to go away for a month." 1873 01:32:17,146 --> 01:32:19,187 You know, you can't always read too much 1874 01:32:19,271 --> 01:32:20,855 into things like that, but when UC-1 disappears, 1875 01:32:20,938 --> 01:32:22,980 and they even go out of their way to 1876 01:32:23,062 --> 01:32:25,396 say that this person left in the middle, 1877 01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,312 it was sort of bizarre. 1878 01:32:27,396 --> 01:32:31,062 You know, I'm able to contact people in law enforcement, 1879 01:32:31,146 --> 01:32:36,688 and we reported that this one FBI agent, 1880 01:32:36,771 --> 01:32:39,730 Jeff D'Angelo, who's UC-1 in the complaint, 1881 01:32:39,813 --> 01:32:42,771 had been caught misappropriating 1882 01:32:42,855 --> 01:32:46,604 government money in-- on his trip to Las Vegas. 1883 01:32:46,688 --> 01:32:48,396 It later emerged in the court hearing that there were 1884 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,730 more than one FBI agents who got in trouble for this. 1885 01:32:51,813 --> 01:32:53,396 Apparently, what happens when you send 1886 01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,896 a bunch of dudes to Las Vegas 1887 01:32:55,980 --> 01:33:00,438 with envelopes of cash is, like, not great. 1888 01:33:00,521 --> 01:33:05,229 And since then, there's been a full-blown 1889 01:33:05,312 --> 01:33:07,938 DOJ investigation into what went wrong with this. 1890 01:33:30,688 --> 01:33:33,229 In the broader scheme of things, it just-- 1891 01:33:33,312 --> 01:33:36,688 it sort of casts... 1892 01:33:36,771 --> 01:33:38,688 a shadow on the investigation. 1893 01:33:38,771 --> 01:33:42,438 I mean, who are the good guys here, you know? 1894 01:33:42,521 --> 01:33:46,438 - The reason why nobody knows what Jeff D'Angelo 1895 01:33:46,521 --> 01:33:49,104 and the other members of the investigative team did 1896 01:33:49,187 --> 01:33:51,312 was because it was covered up, it was-- 1897 01:33:51,396 --> 01:33:52,896 I mean, we knew that something happened, 1898 01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:54,187 but we don't know what happened, 1899 01:33:54,271 --> 01:33:55,563 we don't know how it happened, 1900 01:33:55,646 --> 01:33:57,813 we don't know how much happened. 1901 01:33:57,896 --> 01:33:58,980 We don't have any details 1902 01:33:59,062 --> 01:34:01,354 besides the fact that something happened. 1903 01:34:01,438 --> 01:34:04,438 - Did the jury ever find out that the FBI 1904 01:34:04,521 --> 01:34:06,146 was misusing or stealing 1905 01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:07,688 government funds, taxpayer dollars? 1906 01:34:07,771 --> 01:34:08,980 They didn't. 1907 01:34:09,062 --> 01:34:11,771 - No FBI agent spoke at trial 1908 01:34:11,855 --> 01:34:13,646 or were even mentioned in front of the jury, 1909 01:34:13,730 --> 01:34:15,104 as far as I remember. 1910 01:34:15,187 --> 01:34:17,021 - The jury in either trial 1911 01:34:17,104 --> 01:34:20,688 never was aware of any alleged misconduct 1912 01:34:20,771 --> 01:34:23,980 by any of the FBI agents. 1913 01:34:24,062 --> 01:34:25,855 - I subpoenaed four FBI agents, 1914 01:34:25,938 --> 01:34:27,604 the four that were most principally involved 1915 01:34:27,688 --> 01:34:32,312 in the case, and all subpoenas were denied. 1916 01:34:32,396 --> 01:34:34,855 If Jeff D'Angelo walked through here right now, 1917 01:34:34,938 --> 01:34:37,813 I wouldn't even know if it was a FBI agent 1918 01:34:37,896 --> 01:34:39,021 or a sound guy. 1919 01:34:39,104 --> 01:34:41,855 We had no idea who Jeff D'Angelo was. 1920 01:34:41,938 --> 01:34:44,229 Never saw him before. Don't know his real name. 1921 01:34:44,312 --> 01:34:46,354 To this day, we don't know who he is. 1922 01:34:46,438 --> 01:34:47,855 - I don't know any investigation 1923 01:34:47,938 --> 01:34:50,396 where the investigation leader 1924 01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,688 is not there to take the witness stand. 1925 01:34:54,771 --> 01:34:57,229 - He was the primary investigative officer. 1926 01:34:57,312 --> 01:35:00,980 He wasn't some guy hiding in a bush with a microphone. 1927 01:35:01,062 --> 01:35:02,938 This was the guy that was on the yacht 1928 01:35:03,021 --> 01:35:05,187 giving Christian Dawkins the money 1929 01:35:05,271 --> 01:35:07,479 to go out and start LOYD Management, 1930 01:35:07,563 --> 01:35:11,187 so he was the central character 1931 01:35:11,271 --> 01:35:13,146 of this entire investigation, 1932 01:35:13,229 --> 01:35:15,229 was this particular FBI agent, 1933 01:35:15,312 --> 01:35:18,396 and he never came in the courtroom to testify. 1934 01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,563 - They had to believe that Marty Blazer, 1935 01:35:22,646 --> 01:35:24,521 a known fraudster at this point, 1936 01:35:24,604 --> 01:35:27,396 was more credible for the jury 1937 01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,229 than their lead FBI agent, Jeff D'Angelo. 1938 01:35:30,312 --> 01:35:32,521 I would feel like it's just fair 1939 01:35:32,604 --> 01:35:36,062 that if someone is in charge of leading an investigation 1940 01:35:36,146 --> 01:35:39,104 and there's been alleged misconduct, 1941 01:35:39,187 --> 01:35:40,771 that we should know what they did, 1942 01:35:40,855 --> 01:35:44,563 whether that was a small thing or a huge thing. 1943 01:35:44,646 --> 01:35:46,730 Like, it shouldn't be a situation where it's like, 1944 01:35:46,813 --> 01:35:48,730 "Fuck off, you don't need to know." 1945 01:35:48,813 --> 01:35:52,855 By definition, if some-- if no one knows, 1946 01:35:52,938 --> 01:35:54,896 someone's preventing that information 1947 01:35:54,980 --> 01:35:55,896 from being out there. 1948 01:35:56,021 --> 01:35:58,563 That's literally what a cover-up is. 1949 01:35:58,646 --> 01:36:00,771 I mean, it has to-- something's being covered up. 1950 01:36:00,855 --> 01:36:02,563 There's no-- I don't know what happened, 1951 01:36:02,646 --> 01:36:04,563 and I was in the fucking case. 1952 01:36:09,646 --> 01:36:10,813 - You know, that's the basic thing. 1953 01:36:10,896 --> 01:36:13,104 We are, the taxpayers, you know, paid for everything. 1954 01:36:13,187 --> 01:36:15,646 The yacht, all the alcohol-- 1955 01:36:15,730 --> 01:36:16,771 God knows what gambling 1956 01:36:16,855 --> 01:36:17,980 they were doing out in Las Vegas. 1957 01:36:18,062 --> 01:36:21,146 Hotel suites in Las Vegas. 1958 01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:23,146 $4,000, $5,000-a-night suite. 1959 01:36:23,229 --> 01:36:25,563 It was just-- it's mind-boggling to imagine 1960 01:36:25,646 --> 01:36:27,479 that the taxpayers in America 1961 01:36:27,563 --> 01:36:30,271 foot the bill for something this ridiculous. 1962 01:36:30,354 --> 01:36:32,896 The whole thing was manufactured, right? 1963 01:36:32,980 --> 01:36:36,062 The whole thing was arguably entrapment, right? 1964 01:36:36,146 --> 01:36:38,271 There's a point in time where Christian made it clear 1965 01:36:38,354 --> 01:36:41,479 he didn't want to do what he was being asked to do, 1966 01:36:41,563 --> 01:36:44,312 which is what he was charged with. 1967 01:36:47,354 --> 01:36:51,646 Christian Dawkins doesn't have the name recognition, 1968 01:36:51,730 --> 01:36:53,312 the resources, 1969 01:36:53,396 --> 01:36:55,146 the, quite frankly, the money 1970 01:36:55,229 --> 01:36:56,980 to scare the DOJ. 1971 01:36:57,062 --> 01:37:00,312 But if you charge these major head coaches who have-- 1972 01:37:00,396 --> 01:37:02,479 who are making $3, $4, $5 million a year 1973 01:37:02,563 --> 01:37:06,104 and they're all gonna fight this shit, 1974 01:37:06,187 --> 01:37:09,396 and you have improper things going on 1975 01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,938 with your investigative team, 1976 01:37:12,021 --> 01:37:14,312 you probably can't fucking keep that hidden. 1977 01:37:14,396 --> 01:37:17,813 - I subpoenaed Sean Miller, the head coach of Arizona. 1978 01:37:17,896 --> 01:37:19,021 I subpoenaed Will Wade, 1979 01:37:19,104 --> 01:37:21,521 the head coach of Louisiana State University. 1980 01:37:21,604 --> 01:37:23,521 You know, I wonder what would've happened 1981 01:37:23,604 --> 01:37:24,855 had those folks testified. 1982 01:37:24,938 --> 01:37:28,688 I think our case would've been a little stronger. 1983 01:37:28,771 --> 01:37:32,521 - All of college sports fans wanted to see Rick Pitino 1984 01:37:32,604 --> 01:37:34,563 on the stand or Sean Miller on the stand 1985 01:37:34,646 --> 01:37:36,146 or Will Wade on the stand. 1986 01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:38,730 That's not how it worked, and those guys didn't have-- 1987 01:37:38,813 --> 01:37:40,354 they weren't charged with any crimes. 1988 01:37:40,438 --> 01:37:41,563 They weren't-- 1989 01:37:41,646 --> 01:37:43,813 they weren't accused of any wrongdoing. 1990 01:37:43,896 --> 01:37:46,855 - Lack of evidence was not the reason 1991 01:37:46,938 --> 01:37:48,896 that coaches were not charged. 1992 01:37:50,771 --> 01:37:53,896 When Sean Miller had his press conference, 1993 01:37:53,980 --> 01:37:57,021 I literally thought of Book, and I was like, shit, 1994 01:37:57,104 --> 01:37:59,062 I mean, Sean should have his own, like, 1995 01:37:59,146 --> 01:38:01,563 movie agent or some shit, or a manager. 1996 01:38:01,646 --> 01:38:03,229 Like, he should be an actor. 1997 01:38:03,312 --> 01:38:06,021 That was a really high-level-- 1998 01:38:06,104 --> 01:38:08,688 I was convinced, honestly. 1999 01:38:08,771 --> 01:38:11,271 - Contrary to what has been written this past week, 2000 01:38:11,354 --> 01:38:13,730 we do our very best to run a clean program 2001 01:38:13,813 --> 01:38:16,438 at the University of Arizona. 2002 01:38:16,521 --> 01:38:20,771 I have never knowingly violated NCAA rules 2003 01:38:20,855 --> 01:38:25,730 while serving as head coach of this great program. 2004 01:38:25,813 --> 01:38:28,730 I have never paid a recruit or prospect or their family 2005 01:38:28,813 --> 01:38:32,146 or representative to come to Arizona. 2006 01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:34,938 I never have and I never will. 2007 01:38:35,021 --> 01:38:37,771 I have never arranged or directed payment 2008 01:38:37,855 --> 01:38:41,438 or any improper benefits to a recruit or prospect 2009 01:38:41,521 --> 01:38:43,771 or their family or representative, 2010 01:38:43,855 --> 01:38:45,187 and I never will. 2011 01:38:47,354 --> 01:38:48,604 - If you want to know my opinion, 2012 01:38:48,688 --> 01:38:50,438 when Sean Miller had his press conference 2013 01:38:50,521 --> 01:38:53,438 and said has a player from Arizona ever received money 2014 01:38:53,521 --> 01:38:55,312 or did he know anything about a player from Arizona 2015 01:38:55,396 --> 01:38:56,938 receiving money, did he lie? 2016 01:38:57,021 --> 01:38:58,813 Yeah, that wasn't true. 2017 01:39:22,730 --> 01:39:25,104 - Book and I are just essentially speaking about 2018 01:39:25,187 --> 01:39:28,646 myself wanting to recruit Deandre Ayton. 2019 01:39:28,730 --> 01:39:30,479 Obviously, he was already on campus. 2020 01:39:30,563 --> 01:39:32,271 Book was one of his coaches. 2021 01:39:32,354 --> 01:39:33,813 They have access to him every day, 2022 01:39:33,896 --> 01:39:37,646 so I had had conversations with Book about Deandre 2023 01:39:37,730 --> 01:39:40,187 and just, you know, myself getting in front of him, 2024 01:39:40,271 --> 01:39:42,855 hopefully having a shot at representing him one day. 2025 01:40:04,104 --> 01:40:05,479 I'm being told 2026 01:40:05,563 --> 01:40:07,438 that Sean is the one 2027 01:40:07,521 --> 01:40:10,521 who is financing the Deandre situation. 2028 01:40:10,604 --> 01:40:12,646 - I mean, did Sean Miller pay players? 2029 01:40:12,730 --> 01:40:14,646 I think, you know, if you can't believe 2030 01:40:14,730 --> 01:40:17,396 the head assistant coach on a wiretap, 2031 01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,187 who doesn't know he's being recorded, 2032 01:40:19,271 --> 01:40:21,855 in his truest of moments, talking with his buddy, 2033 01:40:21,938 --> 01:40:24,354 and he's saying that Sean Miller's paying players, 2034 01:40:24,438 --> 01:40:27,896 you'd have to be a really, really die-hard Arizona fan... 2035 01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:29,521 To believe that he's not. 2036 01:40:29,604 --> 01:40:32,354 - If anyone's gonna say Book is a cheater 2037 01:40:32,438 --> 01:40:36,521 and Book was a liar and Book paid players, 2038 01:40:36,604 --> 01:40:39,062 then there's no way you can separate Sean from it. 2039 01:40:39,146 --> 01:40:40,855 - I could care less if these guys are paying players. 2040 01:40:40,938 --> 01:40:42,312 I don't have anything personal against Sean Miller 2041 01:40:42,396 --> 01:40:44,062 or Will Wade, I don't know these guys, 2042 01:40:44,146 --> 01:40:47,730 but I think that Christian's relationship with them 2043 01:40:47,813 --> 01:40:50,938 was very clear from those wiretap phone calls 2044 01:40:51,021 --> 01:40:53,563 by the way that they're having conversation with each other. 2045 01:40:53,646 --> 01:40:55,104 All right? Not very formal. 2046 01:40:55,187 --> 01:40:58,896 - They do have wiretaps of head coaches talking 2047 01:40:58,980 --> 01:41:03,229 about recruiting, and we never heard any of them. 2048 01:41:03,312 --> 01:41:07,604 The government fought every attempt by defense attorneys 2049 01:41:07,688 --> 01:41:10,563 in both trials to get those calls 2050 01:41:10,646 --> 01:41:13,062 admitted and played in court. 2051 01:41:13,146 --> 01:41:14,896 They never came out. 2052 01:41:14,980 --> 01:41:16,438 - You know, the government knew those calls existed. 2053 01:41:16,521 --> 01:41:18,563 They heard what were on those phone calls. 2054 01:41:18,646 --> 01:41:20,730 The judge felt it was not relevant 2055 01:41:20,813 --> 01:41:23,396 to the issues before the court. 2056 01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,896 - So the names that you know, 2057 01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:28,479 fans know, we didn't hear from them. 2058 01:41:49,521 --> 01:41:51,271 - Very comfortable with each other. 2059 01:41:51,354 --> 01:41:54,354 They had worked together on a lot of different things. 2060 01:42:04,062 --> 01:42:05,604 - The player in that particular situation 2061 01:42:05,688 --> 01:42:06,730 was Nassir Little. 2062 01:42:06,813 --> 01:42:08,896 Sean wanted Nassir really badly. 2063 01:42:08,980 --> 01:42:10,396 He knew I had a relationship 2064 01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,813 with the grassroots coaches, who at that time, 2065 01:42:13,896 --> 01:42:15,146 I think we all were under the impression 2066 01:42:15,229 --> 01:42:18,563 that they kind of had the juice with the situation. 2067 01:42:18,646 --> 01:42:20,312 I basically told him 2068 01:42:20,396 --> 01:42:22,938 that I think it's gonna come down to Miami and Arizona, 2069 01:42:23,021 --> 01:42:24,813 and what I think needed to happen 2070 01:42:24,896 --> 01:42:26,896 for the kid to come to Arizona. 2071 01:42:41,730 --> 01:42:42,771 - Yeah, it was no question, 2072 01:42:42,855 --> 01:42:44,312 that conversation, all about money, I think. 2073 01:42:44,396 --> 01:42:45,604 I mean, from my interpretation-- 2074 01:42:45,688 --> 01:42:48,730 maybe Sean, you know, speaks a different language than me, 2075 01:42:48,813 --> 01:42:51,104 but I'm pretty sure that we can all agree that that's-- 2076 01:42:51,187 --> 01:42:54,104 we was talking about what needed to happen to get it done. 2077 01:43:32,104 --> 01:43:37,396 - I--or we, have never, ever done business 2078 01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,438 of any kind with Christian Dawkins. 2079 01:44:59,021 --> 01:45:02,271 - I think the only way you can interpret someone 2080 01:45:02,354 --> 01:45:05,479 in a head coaching position 2081 01:45:05,563 --> 01:45:07,479 saying they made a strong-ass offer-- 2082 01:45:07,563 --> 01:45:09,980 they ain't talking about a scholarship offer, bro. 2083 01:45:10,062 --> 01:45:12,855 100% talking about money. 2084 01:45:12,938 --> 01:45:15,104 Just the audacity-- I mean, just-- 2085 01:45:15,187 --> 01:45:17,479 you gotta take your hat off to him, man. 2086 01:45:17,563 --> 01:45:20,146 He not only didn't get charged for anything, 2087 01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:22,479 not only did the government have all this-- 2088 01:45:22,563 --> 01:45:24,187 this information and evidence, 2089 01:45:24,271 --> 01:45:27,646 and nothing was happening on a criminal level, 2090 01:45:27,730 --> 01:45:31,146 he also basically just said fuck you to the NCAA 2091 01:45:31,229 --> 01:45:34,146 and to the university he worked for. 2092 01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:36,813 - Head Coach Will Wade has requested reinstatement 2093 01:45:36,896 --> 01:45:38,312 from his indefinite suspension 2094 01:45:38,396 --> 01:45:40,187 while still refusing to meet with the school. 2095 01:45:40,271 --> 01:45:42,312 - Man, that was some G shit. 2096 01:45:42,396 --> 01:45:44,187 And he said fuck you to the people 2097 01:45:44,271 --> 01:45:46,021 who wasn't with him. 2098 01:45:46,104 --> 01:45:47,187 And he still got to keep his job 2099 01:45:47,271 --> 01:45:48,604 and make millions of dollars. 2100 01:45:48,688 --> 01:45:51,021 It's, like, the perfect storm. This is the life. 2101 01:45:51,104 --> 01:45:52,521 Fucking, they're paying him a lot of money 2102 01:45:52,604 --> 01:45:53,688 to win games, bro. 2103 01:45:53,771 --> 01:45:56,187 The fuck is he supposed to do, lose? 2104 01:45:56,271 --> 01:45:57,688 Will Wade is definitely a fucking gangster 2105 01:45:57,771 --> 01:45:59,396 for what he did. 2106 01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,688 There's no fucking way I'm gonna believe 2107 01:46:01,771 --> 01:46:04,855 that people at that level of sophistication 2108 01:46:04,938 --> 01:46:07,730 is gonna get on national TV 2109 01:46:07,813 --> 01:46:10,229 knowing that there's a smoking gun laying out there 2110 01:46:10,312 --> 01:46:14,187 and be so confident in saying, 2111 01:46:14,271 --> 01:46:16,855 "I don't know shit. I didn't do shit. 2112 01:46:16,938 --> 01:46:18,813 I don't know anybody involved." 2113 01:46:18,896 --> 01:46:20,479 There had to be somebody to give them 2114 01:46:20,563 --> 01:46:21,521 some level of insurances. 2115 01:46:21,604 --> 01:46:23,896 They wouldn't roll the dice like that. 2116 01:46:23,980 --> 01:46:26,229 No one fucks with the FBI like that. 2117 01:46:26,312 --> 01:46:28,229 No one's that crazy. 2118 01:46:28,312 --> 01:46:32,312 - And this now completes my statement on this matter. 2119 01:46:34,688 --> 01:46:36,396 - From the start of this whole case, 2120 01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:40,021 the whole idea was to bring in coaches, 2121 01:46:40,104 --> 01:46:41,855 and they could have blown the whole fucking thing up 2122 01:46:41,938 --> 01:46:43,855 if they wanted to, and they didn't, 2123 01:46:43,938 --> 01:46:45,730 because, you know, the right people 2124 01:46:45,813 --> 01:46:49,563 got to the right people and it was stopped. 2125 01:46:49,646 --> 01:46:51,771 - The original point was, it was gonna change everything, 2126 01:46:51,855 --> 01:46:53,438 and they just backed away. 2127 01:46:53,521 --> 01:46:55,730 They didn't do it. It just never happened. 2128 01:46:55,813 --> 01:46:57,771 They had the opportunity. 2129 01:46:57,855 --> 01:47:00,187 They had the resources. They had the power. 2130 01:47:00,271 --> 01:47:02,604 They said they wanted to do it. 2131 01:47:02,688 --> 01:47:05,813 They didn't do it. I don't know why. 2132 01:47:05,896 --> 01:47:10,104 - I can't...fathom 2133 01:47:10,187 --> 01:47:13,062 that I'm the person 2134 01:47:13,146 --> 01:47:17,730 that all these fucking resources went into catching. 2135 01:47:27,229 --> 01:47:29,563 I got sentenced to 12 months and a day. 2136 01:47:29,646 --> 01:47:30,980 Out of everybody who was arrested 2137 01:47:31,062 --> 01:47:32,896 and was involved in the investigation, 2138 01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:34,980 I got the longest prison sentence. 2139 01:47:35,062 --> 01:47:38,271 Total sentence I had for both cases is 18 months. 2140 01:47:38,354 --> 01:47:40,563 Federal prison. 2141 01:47:40,646 --> 01:47:42,354 Book Richardson got three months. 2142 01:47:42,438 --> 01:47:45,271 Tony Bland got no time. Probation. 2143 01:47:45,354 --> 01:47:48,730 Merl Code got nine months total. 2144 01:47:48,813 --> 01:47:50,479 Jim Gatto got nine months total. 2145 01:47:50,563 --> 01:47:52,271 Munish Sood didn't even get fucking probation. 2146 01:47:52,354 --> 01:47:53,938 I think he just got a fine. 2147 01:47:54,021 --> 01:47:54,980 I don't know what Marty got. 2148 01:47:55,062 --> 01:47:57,187 He better get at least ten years. 2149 01:47:59,563 --> 01:48:03,146 - Christian Dawkins refused to cooperate in any way. 2150 01:48:03,229 --> 01:48:05,688 He fought both cases to the end. 2151 01:48:05,771 --> 01:48:07,813 I think the feds thought everyone would plea, 2152 01:48:07,896 --> 01:48:11,688 there wouldn't be any trials, but these guys said nah, 2153 01:48:11,771 --> 01:48:14,771 I'm gonna stand up, I'm gonna argue my case, 2154 01:48:14,855 --> 01:48:19,146 and they all lost, but they made no agreements, 2155 01:48:19,229 --> 01:48:20,688 no cooperation with the government, 2156 01:48:20,771 --> 01:48:23,146 and they went down swinging. 2157 01:48:23,229 --> 01:48:25,479 - I think he wanted to go down with his place in history 2158 01:48:25,563 --> 01:48:28,563 as a guy that had an opportunity 2159 01:48:28,646 --> 01:48:30,730 really to throw the world under the bus 2160 01:48:30,813 --> 01:48:32,980 in college basketball, in the community, 2161 01:48:33,062 --> 01:48:35,521 and he chose not to. 2162 01:48:35,604 --> 01:48:37,187 - We've had cheating in this game forever. 2163 01:48:37,271 --> 01:48:40,938 Players have been paid forever. Was that confirmed here? Yes. 2164 01:48:41,021 --> 01:48:43,521 But did the Southern District of New York 2165 01:48:43,604 --> 01:48:45,187 and the FBI deliver when they said, 2166 01:48:45,271 --> 01:48:46,229 "We have your playbook," 2167 01:48:46,312 --> 01:48:48,521 and they made all these threats, no. 2168 01:48:48,604 --> 01:48:51,062 I think it was actually a pretty stern rebuke 2169 01:48:51,146 --> 01:48:52,563 of the Southern District of New York 2170 01:48:52,646 --> 01:48:55,229 that they only got convictions in three of the ten charges 2171 01:48:55,312 --> 01:48:59,521 that they brought against Merl Code and Christian Dawkins. 2172 01:48:59,604 --> 01:49:02,146 - And I want to be very clear with this. 2173 01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:04,771 Any coach who offers to pay a player, 2174 01:49:04,855 --> 01:49:07,730 in my opinion, is a good guy. 2175 01:49:07,813 --> 01:49:09,855 I don't see anything wrong with it. 2176 01:49:09,938 --> 01:49:11,896 I think the players-- the coaches 2177 01:49:11,980 --> 01:49:15,062 who are not willing to help out their players 2178 01:49:15,146 --> 01:49:17,271 are not good people. 2179 01:49:17,354 --> 01:49:18,938 The way the system is set up, 2180 01:49:19,021 --> 01:49:21,896 it's kind of caused someone to have to step in 2181 01:49:21,980 --> 01:49:26,104 to provide what the families and the players need. 2182 01:49:26,187 --> 01:49:30,604 - Let's say Google, Amazon, says, 2183 01:49:30,688 --> 01:49:35,563 "We want to identify the top STEM students, 2184 01:49:35,646 --> 01:49:38,021 the top coders in high schools," 2185 01:49:38,104 --> 01:49:40,104 and they find one in Saginaw, 2186 01:49:40,187 --> 01:49:41,271 and they go in there and they say, 2187 01:49:41,354 --> 01:49:43,855 "We're gonna pay you $20,000 2188 01:49:43,938 --> 01:49:46,229 "and you're gonna come intern for us in the summer, 2189 01:49:46,312 --> 01:49:48,062 "and then maybe when you get out of college, 2190 01:49:48,146 --> 01:49:50,271 you come work for us instead of the competition." 2191 01:49:50,354 --> 01:49:52,479 They would write that up in the newspaper. 2192 01:49:52,563 --> 01:49:54,104 They would put that on TV. 2193 01:49:54,187 --> 01:49:56,062 It would be an outreach program. 2194 01:49:56,146 --> 01:49:58,146 It would be a way to inspire young students. 2195 01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:59,479 It would be tremendous. 2196 01:49:59,563 --> 01:50:01,604 What's the difference? 2197 01:50:01,688 --> 01:50:03,438 If Google and Amazon say, 2198 01:50:03,521 --> 01:50:05,062 "That kid's worth 20 grand to us. 2199 01:50:05,146 --> 01:50:06,229 Come out here for the summer." 2200 01:50:06,312 --> 01:50:07,855 In fact, if they said, "You need to come out here 2201 01:50:07,938 --> 01:50:09,563 for the summer and we don't pay you," 2202 01:50:09,646 --> 01:50:11,271 you'd say that's absolutely terrible. 2203 01:50:11,354 --> 01:50:14,271 But because of amateurism, 2204 01:50:14,354 --> 01:50:18,563 and because an entire industry has made billions 2205 01:50:18,646 --> 01:50:22,479 off of the concept of, "you have to do this for free," 2206 01:50:22,563 --> 01:50:23,604 no one's telling that kid, 2207 01:50:23,688 --> 01:50:26,980 "You need to code for the love of coding." 2208 01:50:27,062 --> 01:50:28,771 No one's saying, "You should go work for Google 2209 01:50:28,855 --> 01:50:30,479 for the love of Google." 2210 01:50:30,563 --> 01:50:31,938 What is the difference? 2211 01:50:32,062 --> 01:50:35,980 There's none, except they have sold 2212 01:50:36,062 --> 01:50:38,646 this concept of amateurism to America, 2213 01:50:38,730 --> 01:50:40,146 and then they sold a lot of commercials 2214 01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:42,146 during the NCAA basketball tournament around it. 2215 01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:45,646 - This is a business. This is not amateur athletics. 2216 01:50:45,730 --> 01:50:47,146 There's nothing amateur 2217 01:50:47,229 --> 01:50:48,855 that makes billions of dollars. 2218 01:50:48,938 --> 01:50:52,271 The NCAA brings in every year a billion dollars 2219 01:50:52,354 --> 01:50:55,980 just in television licensing for college basketball. 2220 01:50:56,062 --> 01:50:57,521 And so you have a multibillion-dollar 2221 01:50:57,604 --> 01:50:59,813 licensing business and none of these people 2222 01:50:59,896 --> 01:51:02,438 are paying any taxes on the money. 2223 01:51:02,521 --> 01:51:05,479 The NCAA is a nonprofit that pays no taxes. 2224 01:51:05,563 --> 01:51:06,980 The conferences are nonprofits. 2225 01:51:07,062 --> 01:51:08,646 They pay no taxes. 2226 01:51:08,730 --> 01:51:12,479 - You can cry victim, right, 2227 01:51:12,563 --> 01:51:15,229 and pretend you're a victim and then keep getting paid 2228 01:51:15,312 --> 01:51:16,521 and just keep the system the same. 2229 01:51:16,604 --> 01:51:17,688 It's perfect. 2230 01:51:17,771 --> 01:51:20,021 - Here's the reason why I'm different from the NCAA. 2231 01:51:20,104 --> 01:51:22,479 Yes, I made money. 2232 01:51:22,563 --> 01:51:24,271 So did the people with me. 2233 01:51:24,354 --> 01:51:27,187 So did the players. 2234 01:51:27,271 --> 01:51:29,187 I never took anything from them. 2235 01:51:29,271 --> 01:51:32,021 The NCAA acts as if 2236 01:51:32,104 --> 01:51:35,271 they are bigger than the athlete. 2237 01:51:35,354 --> 01:51:37,855 If the athletes were all white 2238 01:51:37,938 --> 01:51:40,855 and the coaches and athletic directors were all black, 2239 01:51:40,938 --> 01:51:42,229 there's no way this would be happening. 2240 01:51:44,271 --> 01:51:46,021 - College athletics is a lot of fun, 2241 01:51:46,104 --> 01:51:48,688 and it brings communities together. 2242 01:51:48,771 --> 01:51:49,896 It does a lot of great things. 2243 01:51:49,980 --> 01:51:52,187 But it would continue to be a good deal 2244 01:51:52,271 --> 01:51:56,396 if you allowed the players to operate in the free market. 2245 01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:59,688 Instead, we create a system that punishes the kids 2246 01:51:59,771 --> 01:52:01,688 because nothing's on the up and up. 2247 01:52:01,771 --> 01:52:04,021 It all has to be clandestine. 2248 01:52:04,104 --> 01:52:06,604 If you have great players, 2249 01:52:06,688 --> 01:52:08,563 you are in possession of lottery tickets 2250 01:52:08,646 --> 01:52:10,229 that are going to cash, 2251 01:52:10,312 --> 01:52:12,563 and so the guys are gonna come for them. 2252 01:52:12,646 --> 01:52:15,229 The agents are gonna come, the shoe reps, 2253 01:52:15,312 --> 01:52:16,730 I mean, it just-- they're already there. 2254 01:52:16,813 --> 01:52:18,980 They're not coming for them, they were already there. 2255 01:52:19,062 --> 01:52:23,187 - I knew every player in the world, 2256 01:52:23,271 --> 01:52:25,813 every level, every person, 2257 01:52:25,896 --> 01:52:28,438 every coach, every everything. 2258 01:52:28,521 --> 01:52:30,813 It was addictive, I was-- I loved-- 2259 01:52:30,896 --> 01:52:32,563 my whole life was basketball. 2260 01:52:32,646 --> 01:52:35,730 I had never made a dollar off of anything in my life 2261 01:52:35,813 --> 01:52:38,312 besides basketball until recently. 2262 01:52:40,855 --> 01:52:44,479 I was literally thinking, okay, what am I gonna do next? 2263 01:52:44,563 --> 01:52:48,229 And the music business is one business where if-- 2264 01:52:48,312 --> 01:52:49,730 I was thinking at the time, 2265 01:52:49,813 --> 01:52:51,479 if I was to be a convicted felon, 2266 01:52:51,563 --> 01:52:54,646 that wouldn't be a detriment in music, basically. 2267 01:52:54,730 --> 01:52:57,980 - During the first trial, the day of the convictions, 2268 01:52:58,062 --> 01:53:02,271 you know, when those guilty verdicts came back, 2269 01:53:02,354 --> 01:53:04,104 this was Christian. 2270 01:53:04,187 --> 01:53:05,271 He wiped my face, and he was like, 2271 01:53:05,354 --> 01:53:06,980 "Dad, let's get the hell out of here, 2272 01:53:07,062 --> 01:53:08,604 "'cause I have a meeting at 6:00 p.m. 2273 01:53:08,688 --> 01:53:09,980 "with Atlantic Records, 2274 01:53:10,062 --> 01:53:11,312 with the CEO of Atlantic Records." 2275 01:53:11,396 --> 01:53:12,896 I... 2276 01:53:12,980 --> 01:53:14,479 "Chris, shut up." 2277 01:53:14,563 --> 01:53:16,604 - I'll never forget it, I mean, it'll be... 2278 01:53:16,688 --> 01:53:18,938 one of those moments, I'll be on my death bed 2279 01:53:19,062 --> 01:53:21,354 and I'll remember, while all this was going on, 2280 01:53:21,438 --> 01:53:23,146 while Christian is literally-- his future 2281 01:53:23,229 --> 01:53:25,187 is on the line, potentially going to prison, 2282 01:53:25,271 --> 01:53:27,563 the whole time, he's taking an Uber 2283 01:53:27,646 --> 01:53:30,479 to midtown, negotiating a deal 2284 01:53:30,563 --> 01:53:33,855 with Atlantic Records, and I had no idea. 2285 01:53:33,938 --> 01:53:35,312 - If I'm passionate about something, 2286 01:53:35,396 --> 01:53:37,229 I can laser in, and I don't care 2287 01:53:37,312 --> 01:53:39,646 what's in front of me or how it's gonna happen, 2288 01:53:39,730 --> 01:53:41,980 I'll get it done. 2289 01:53:42,062 --> 01:53:43,730 I wanted to do my own label, 2290 01:53:43,813 --> 01:53:45,604 and it kind of went quickly 2291 01:53:45,688 --> 01:53:47,312 from the standpoint of finding artists, 2292 01:53:47,396 --> 01:53:48,604 managing them, 2293 01:53:48,688 --> 01:53:50,855 and getting into the right rooms 2294 01:53:50,938 --> 01:53:53,813 and just being blessed enough and fortunate enough 2295 01:53:53,896 --> 01:53:56,813 to land a deal of that magnitude 2296 01:53:56,896 --> 01:54:00,146 with the number one record company in the world. 2297 01:54:00,229 --> 01:54:03,354 We have a joint venture deal with Atlantic Records. 2298 01:54:03,438 --> 01:54:06,021 The name of the record company 2299 01:54:06,104 --> 01:54:08,730 that we created is called Chosen. 2300 01:54:08,813 --> 01:54:10,604 I'm the CEO of Chosen. 2301 01:54:10,688 --> 01:54:13,980 - It's hard to get a record deal. 2302 01:54:14,062 --> 01:54:16,521 Atlantic Records gave Christian his own business, 2303 01:54:16,604 --> 01:54:17,855 a record label. 2304 01:54:17,938 --> 01:54:19,563 When you think about that, 2305 01:54:19,646 --> 01:54:23,062 it seems almost impossible or unbelievable. 2306 01:54:23,146 --> 01:54:24,855 - And it was just like, at that point, 2307 01:54:24,938 --> 01:54:27,021 nothing seemed real anymore. 2308 01:54:27,104 --> 01:54:28,021 - It is reality. 2309 01:54:28,104 --> 01:54:30,855 I've got the money, so it's reality now. 2310 01:54:30,938 --> 01:54:33,354 Listen, I think I can do anything, so... 2311 01:54:33,438 --> 01:54:35,354 Maybe that's the gift I have. 2312 01:54:35,438 --> 01:54:36,896 I'm so naive 2313 01:54:36,980 --> 01:54:40,396 of what I am not supposed to be able to do 2314 01:54:40,479 --> 01:54:42,396 that it's a blessing, 2315 01:54:42,479 --> 01:54:44,396 because I'm just like, why can't I do it? 2316 01:54:44,479 --> 01:54:46,396 Why can't I start a label? 2317 01:54:46,479 --> 01:54:49,187 I didn't see anything crazy about it. 2318 01:54:49,271 --> 01:54:52,396 I thought that, hey, just gotta go try and get it, 2319 01:54:52,479 --> 01:54:57,396 and not fucking hiring FBI agents to work with me. 2320 01:54:57,479 --> 01:54:59,938 - This is a letter to the family 2321 01:55:00,021 --> 01:55:04,229 when he was trying to get out of going to school, to college. 2322 01:55:04,312 --> 01:55:09,062 This is dated August 8th, 2012, 2323 01:55:09,146 --> 01:55:12,271 and the subject is, "The Final Verdict." 2324 01:55:12,354 --> 01:55:15,271 It starts off, "I'm great. 2325 01:55:15,354 --> 01:55:17,730 I have a special gift from God." 2326 01:55:17,813 --> 01:55:18,938 He's so crazy. 2327 01:55:19,021 --> 01:55:21,730 "I know this to be factual information. 2328 01:55:21,813 --> 01:55:26,146 "It is rare for someone to be as advanced as me at my age. 2329 01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:29,730 "I have a gift that truly great ones have. 2330 01:55:29,813 --> 01:55:35,396 "I am in a class of people like Gandhi, Barack Obama, 2331 01:55:35,479 --> 01:55:38,646 "Jay-Z, Martin Luther King, 2332 01:55:38,730 --> 01:55:41,062 "Tiger Woods, Dick Clark, Michael Jackson, 2333 01:55:41,146 --> 01:55:44,396 "Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc. 2334 01:55:44,479 --> 01:55:46,771 "Revolutionary people in their fields. 2335 01:55:46,855 --> 01:55:50,438 I'm gonna chase my dreams 24-7 every day." 2336 01:55:50,521 --> 01:55:52,604 He's so insane. 2337 01:55:52,688 --> 01:55:54,479 "And leave a impact on the world." 2338 01:55:56,521 --> 01:55:57,688 "I've had some success. 2339 01:55:57,771 --> 01:55:59,938 "A kid not even 20 was responsible 2340 01:56:00,021 --> 01:56:01,104 "for signing two pros. 2341 01:56:01,187 --> 01:56:02,604 "That's never happened before. 2342 01:56:02,688 --> 01:56:05,104 "Another record I broke-- the first being 2343 01:56:05,187 --> 01:56:07,396 "the youngest person ever to get a shoe deal. 2344 01:56:07,479 --> 01:56:09,646 "Maybe I don't have too much to show for it, 2345 01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:11,521 "but I will one day. 2346 01:56:11,604 --> 01:56:13,980 "To be clear, this is what I plan to do. 2347 01:56:14,062 --> 01:56:16,646 "My focus is gonna be building my management company, 2348 01:56:16,730 --> 01:56:18,021 "LOYD Management Company, 2349 01:56:18,104 --> 01:56:20,938 "into a sports and entertainment empire. 2350 01:56:21,021 --> 01:56:23,312 "I have had some success, and every day, 2351 01:56:23,396 --> 01:56:25,021 "I'm going to continue to keep trying 2352 01:56:25,104 --> 01:56:27,271 "to grow my business and make it happen. 2353 01:56:27,354 --> 01:56:29,813 "Relationships are everything in my business. 2354 01:56:29,896 --> 01:56:31,813 "Every day, I will strengthen the ones I have 2355 01:56:31,896 --> 01:56:33,479 and cultivate new ones." 2356 01:56:33,563 --> 01:56:36,813 This is so... 2357 01:56:36,896 --> 01:56:40,021 It's crazy how all of this is coming together. 2358 01:56:40,104 --> 01:56:42,938 "At the end of the day, just give me a year. 2359 01:56:43,021 --> 01:56:46,438 "If things don't go as planned, I'll maybe do things 2360 01:56:46,521 --> 01:56:48,021 "in a more traditional way. 2361 01:56:48,104 --> 01:56:49,730 "Well, no, I won't. 2362 01:56:49,813 --> 01:56:51,563 "I'll just try harder and grind it out 2363 01:56:51,646 --> 01:56:52,563 "for another year. 2364 01:56:52,646 --> 01:56:55,229 One day, it will happen." 2365 01:56:58,479 --> 01:57:01,187 "Success isn't..." 2366 01:57:01,271 --> 01:57:03,646 Can you read it right here? 2367 01:57:03,730 --> 01:57:04,980 "Success isn't..." 2368 01:57:05,062 --> 01:57:07,062 - "Success isn't an option for me. 2369 01:57:07,146 --> 01:57:09,688 "That's why I always say I'm rich, 2370 01:57:09,771 --> 01:57:11,688 "'cause one day, I will be, 2371 01:57:11,771 --> 01:57:13,730 "and I'm preparing for that lifestyle now 2372 01:57:13,813 --> 01:57:15,688 "while I'm poor. 2373 01:57:15,771 --> 01:57:17,021 "I hope you guys understand. 2374 01:57:17,104 --> 01:57:18,688 "I love you. 2375 01:57:18,771 --> 01:57:19,855 You're the..." 2376 01:57:19,938 --> 01:57:21,813 - "Effin' best." - "Effin' best." 2377 01:57:32,104 --> 01:57:35,146 - Did I do anything wrong? 2378 01:57:42,146 --> 01:57:43,354 Yes and no. 2379 01:57:43,438 --> 01:57:46,563 I think... 2380 01:57:46,646 --> 01:57:49,229 I mean, we clearly weren't following any rules. 2381 01:57:49,312 --> 01:57:51,896 Were any of the defendants in the cases, 2382 01:57:51,980 --> 01:57:53,896 you know, waking up to defraud people? 2383 01:57:53,980 --> 01:57:54,938 No. 2384 01:57:55,021 --> 01:57:56,563 I still can't believe that the FBI 2385 01:57:56,646 --> 01:57:58,187 went through all of this 2386 01:57:58,271 --> 01:58:01,938 just to stop someone from getting paid 2387 01:58:02,021 --> 01:58:03,229 what they're supposed to get paid. 2388 01:58:03,312 --> 01:58:06,271 It's like, it just doesn't make common sense to me. 2389 01:58:06,354 --> 01:58:08,396 If they think this basketball shit is bad, 2390 01:58:08,479 --> 01:58:11,396 imagine how much money football players can get. 2391 01:58:13,688 --> 01:58:17,646 - The moral of the story is, fuck the NCAA. 2392 01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:20,604 How was that? 2393 01:58:20,688 --> 01:58:22,438 Good. 2394 01:59:40,312 --> 01:59:41,855 announcer: This has been a presentation 2395 01:59:41,938 --> 01:59:43,730 of HBO Sports. 185631

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