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I think there are a lot of people who do
not like what I'm saying. I am one of
the most polarizing figures in the world
right now. But, I'm trying to prepare
everyone. And what I want to explain
[music] to you today, Stephen, is why
the world is collapsing. Because, having
studied patterns of history and global
supply chains, I now recognize and I
have a framework to predict the future.
And I brought to you three qualified
predictions structured around 9/11.
>> So, what are your predictions? I've been
dying to know.
>> My first prediction, if there is another
9/11 attack, it will be an attack on the
US financial infrastructure. Imagine one
day you open your iPhone and you're
looking to buy a coffee. And all the
money in your bank account has been
wiped out. And they don't know when or
how long it will take them to retrieve
it. I believe that's what [music] makes
Americans most vulnerable and therefore
the most easily traumatized.
>> What's prediction number two?
>> Is that Lionel Messi will become
president of Argentina.
>> Oh, wow. I wasn't expecting that. And
also, do you think Trump is going to
have a third term? [music]
>> Let's take a friendly bet and say $100
Trump gets a third term. To be a siege
on New York City. Prediction three. My
third prediction is that
>> Are you sure? You don't think that the
US would actually do that though?
>> Well, I understand a lot of this is
going to be extremely pessimistic, but
we are living in a time of not just war,
but also the regression of civilization.
We basically [music] hit the height of
technological advancement.
>> The word collapse you used there is a
strong word.
>> Yes. I am positive that we are seeing
the collapse of civilization. All the
stuff that we have might have seen on
television, it is coming to us in our
lives. And the world is essentially
running out of time. And I will paint a
clear and simple picture of what is
about to come.
>> What would have to be the case for none
of these sort of catastrophic things to
take place?
>> Well, the only thing that gives me hope
is
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Professor Chung,
what is front of mind for you at the
moment? Your energy is giving me
something's on my mind. What is that?
>> I think
that we are
living in
a a time when
the world is collapsing.
And so, what I want to explain to you
today, Stephen, is how we got to the
world that we are in
and why it is collapsing.
So, first thing I want to explain to you
is the um
petrodollar system,
which is the basis for the global
economy.
So, let's go back to the year 1945. And
this is the end of World War II.
The United States is dominant.
The United States
will manufacture
goods for Europe and for Japan, which
were destroyed in World War II. So, what
the United States said is, "We will lend
you
the US dollars in order to purchase
the goods that we will export to you,
but you have to promise to pay us back
in gold." And
the United States became complacent.
They were spending money they shouldn't
have been spending. The United States
went from a creditor nation to a
debtor nation. So, in the year 1971,
Richard Nixon
said
that the US dollar would no longer be
pegged to the gold. And so, the question
now was, "If the US dollar
is no longer pegged to gold, then what
is the value of the US dollar?"
So, Richard Nixon had to create demand
for the US dollar. And so, three things
happened
after the something called the Nixon
shock, 1971 Nixon shock. Okay? So, the
first was the creation of a petrodollar.
So,
Saudi Arabia and other countries in the
Middle East agreed to sell their oil
only in US dollars.
So, if you want to buy oil, energy, you
need US dollars. Late '70s, early '80s,
China said the same thing. If you want
our cheap manufactured goods, you have
to pay in US dollars.
Mid-'80s, was something called the Plaza
Accord, where Japan agreed
to
take all its savings
and buy US Treasuries.
>> So, it's essentially they're buying a a
promise
from the US.
>> All this is based on promises, right?
The US dollar is a contract.
It's a promise. China promises to give
you manufactured goods, and Saudi Arabia
promises to give you oil.
This system, the petrodollar system,
create the world that we live in today.
So, let me explain why.
All right.
So,
this is a
semiconductor,
all right? And it's the basis of all
technology, of all computer.
And there are three critical elements
in a semiconductor. Silicon,
they are gallium,
and they are
germanium. Okay? There are many more
elements, but these are the three most
critical.
And these three together
allow uh semiconductors to achieve
almost impossible
technology. For example, precision
missiles, satellite communication are
based on these three elements working
together.
Why we have these three elements in
place is because of this global system.
Because
silicon is
mainly manufactured in China. About
60-70% of the world's silicon comes from
China.
70% of gallium comes from China. 90% of
the world's germanium comes from China.
Now, for semiconductors to work,
the process is this. The United States,
mainly in California,
Nvidia or Apple, they will design very
advanced
semiconductor chips to power the iPhone,
to power video games.
Then the United States will send this
chip design over to Taiwan and Malaysia
for the manufacture of these chips.
The Netherlands and Japan will create
machines to print out these
semiconductors. So, a company in the
Netherlands called ASML,
they manufacture lithography machines
that are worth $400 million each. Then
these lithography machines and the chip
design go to Taiwan, primarily Taiwan
but also Malaysia as well, in order to
manufacture these chips. Then these
chips are then sent to China to be put
into appliances.
So, when you see this
semiconductor, you're not just seeing a
piece of metal and plastic. You're
really seeing the world converging
together. So, I want you to remember
this formula. And this will help us
explain how how world works. This
formula is very simple.
Technological progress
is correlated with
specialization
times globalization.
This is the formula.
Okay. So, it's very simple. All
technological technological progress is
premised on more countries being able to
specialize
and these countries being able to trade
freely with each other. And what makes
this all possible is
global trade. That is supported by two
things. The first, of course, is the US
dollar.
The second thing that's most important
is is the US military hegemony. Hegemony
meaning meaning there there are no peer
competitor. There is no one who can
challenge the United States in control
of the seas.
>> So, you're coming now to the point of
why you think cuz the the claim at the
top was that the world is collapsing.
>> Exactly. I bring this all up because we
need to appreciate what technological
innovation is.
If technological technological
innovation is specialization times
globalization,
then we are living at a time of not just
war,
but also the regression of civilization.
So, in other words, my argument to you
today is
we've basically hit the apex,
the height
of technological advancement.
We cannot go any further
because in order for technology to
progress, you need greater
specialization and you need greater
globalization.
But what we're seeing right now is this
war in Iran. It will cause a chain of
events that will force all nations to
become much more general. Okay? So,
you'll see a decline in specialization.
They'll become much more nationalistic.
They will need to create self-sufficient
supply chains. So, you will see a
decline in globalization and therefore
technology, the progress will have to
decline.
>> The word collapse you used there was a
strong word.
>> Yes.
>> Is that the word you meant?
>> That's exactly the word I meant.
We are living not through World War III.
We are not living through a shifting of
the global order. We are We will live
through over next 20 years the collapse
of civilization itself.
>> The collapse of civilization itself.
>> Yes.
>> Are you sure?
>> I am positive that we are seeing
um the collapse of civilization.
>> Give me some definition around the
collapse of civilization because people
could infer that as oh, you know, the
the dollar's not going to be as strong
or they could say, "Okay, we're not
going to innovate as much." Or I don't
know if your prices are going to go up.
But the collapse of civilization.
>> Yes. So, let's go back to World War II.
Okay?
In World War II, if you lived in Europe
or Asia, it really seemed like the end
of the world.
Tens of millions of people died in that
war.
But at the same time, you had a
superpower
that was emerging, the United States of
America. So, at the end of World War II,
America was so powerful that it was able
at the end of World War II to create a
new world order and basically finance
and defend this new world order called
Pax Americana. And we are seeing the
last days of Pax Americana.
And then you ask yourself, "Well, then
let China emerge or maybe Russia will
emerge or maybe Israel will will emerge
to replace Pax Americana."
And unfortunately,
what we know is that
systems in decline, empires in decline,
do not go willingly. Okay? So, the
historical analogy I would use is the
Bronze Age collapse. Because the Bronze
Age was very similar to this period in
our history when the entire world was
globalized. Because in order to make
bronze, you needed both copper and tin.
And these places were found in different
places of the world. And that allowed
for global integration. But because of
global in- in- integration,
over time, you that led to massive
inequality, debt, and polarization. And
so, when the system collapsed, the
entire world collapsed. So, I I would
argue the closest historical analogy
that we have
um to to today is a Bronze Age collapse.
>> What was life like in the Bronze Age
collapse? Or how was it different
pre-Bronze Age collapse versus
post-Bronze Age collapse?
>> So, during the Bronze Age collapse,
what happened was
there's a perfect series of crises that
caused systematic collapse. Okay? The
first was
change in weather patterns. Climate
changed.
Which led to famine, primarily in
Europe. Okay? When you have famine and
people are starving, what do people do?
They migrate. Okay? They migrate to
areas that have food. And that this
place is primarily going to be Anatolia
and Egypt.
These
migrants
overwhelm
the systems of Egypt and Anatolia.
And this would cause a cascading effect
where the entire world lost order.
These migrants were called the Sea
Peoples.
And they were destroying traditional
hierarchies
and authorities.
And once that happened, then the very
fundamental elements of civilization
disappear.
So, if we apply
this analogy to today, then I'm going to
paint for you a scenario
uh of what might happen. All right? So,
we have this war in the Middle East that
is only expanding. It's bringing in
more and more countries.
So,
as you may know,
um since we last spoke,
basically all of Iran's proxies have
been brought into the war. This includes
the Houthis,
which occupies this part of Yemen.
>> See, the Houthis are a group of um
military that are in favor of Iran.
>> The Houthis
are an ethnic group
in Yemen. And Yemen is a country that is
divided according to tribes. The thing
about the Houthis is, first of all, they
live in the mountains. So, it's almost
impossible to dislodge the Houthis.
Saudi Arabia tried for 5 years. It
didn't work. The other thing about the
Houthis is they are a Shia
tribe people. Now, there's Shia Muslim
and there's Sunni Muslim. The vast
majority of Muslim in the world are
Sunni, about 90% of the entire global
Muslim population. The Shia are about
10%.
And as a result, because they're in the
the minority, the Shia are much more
fanatical
than the Sunni.
And this has always been historically
true. They believe in martyrdom. So, in
other words, uh the the Houthis will
fight to the death. They're not afraid
of death.
Okay? And the third thing about the
Houthis that we need to appreciate is
they control this critical
choke point called the Bab el-Mandab
Strait. This is This is the Red Sea.
So, a lot of trade has to go through
the Red Sea. Now, what we know is
Iran has already closed off the Strait
of Hormuz.
And the easiest
and cheapest way for Saudi Arabia to get
its oil to East Asia and South South
Asia
is
by the sea.
So, Saudi Arabia cannot actually
transport its oil.
Okay? So, that's the first group that is
now involved in this water, Houthis.
Then you have
Hezbollah. Okay? Which is in Lebanon.
Right here.
>> [snorts]
>> And they are now fighting Israel.
Hezbollah is also a Shia group. So, they
are also very fanatical. And then you
also have Iraq,
the Shia militias that are basically
their own independent militaries.
So, all four are have been brought into
the war by Iran.
You have the Houthis, you have
Hezbollah, you have the Shia militia in
Iraq. Why is this important? Because
they span the entire Middle East.
And so, we are now seeing expansion of
the war. And over time, what might
happen is more and more nations have
been brought into the war to protect
their own interests.
>> How is this different from, you know, I
grew up with this Iraq war?
>> Mhm.
>> And there was lots of conflict in the
Middle East. There was always fighting
going on and it's It feels like it's
been a function of my of my childhood is
that the Middle East is always fighting
in some capacity somewhere.
And it, you know, eventually
there's a peace in Iraq and the war kind
of stops and ISIS is decapitated or
whatever and it just kind of moves
around a little bit.
>> Yeah. Great question. But what's
happening today is very different from
just 2003. 2003, the United States went
in to get decapitate Saddam Hussein and
his government. And that was easy to do
because you had a government
that was not very popular
amongst uh the people.
So, America specializes in shock and awe
military tactics.
The problem today is you have four
different groups. You have the IRGC in
Iran.
You have the Houthis in Yemen.
You have Hezbollah
in Lebanon. You have the Shia militia in
Iraq. They are decentralized.
They are fanatical.
And they share a similar eschatology.
They share similar religious framework.
And as a result, what we know is
the United States military is not very
good at fighting guerrilla insurgents.
We know because of what happened in
Afghanistan as well as Iraq. These two
are what is often referred to as as
forever wars where the United States
spent trillions of dollars over the over
20 years to try to squash insurgents and
they failed miserably. So,
because these four groups are
coordinating but they're decentralized,
this means that this war can only expand
over time. Now, Saudi Arabia is feels
threatened by the Houthis. So, what
Saudi Arabia has done is most recently
it's signed something called the Mecca
Accords.
Turkey and Pakistan.
Okay? So, Turkey and Pakistan and Saudi
Arabia now must come to each other's
defense.
And it seems to me all these three
countries, Saudi Arabia, will be the
first to invoke this mutual defense pact
against the Houthis. So, you can see a
situation where Pakistan, Turkey, and
Saudi Arabia is brought into war to try
and dislodge the Houthis. But we know
that the Houthis in a mountain retreat
are almost invincible.
So, this war can only expand and the
Houthis in response, what they can do
is destroy the energy infrastructure of
Saudi Arabia. The Houthis have ballistic
missiles, they have drones, and Saudi
Arabia is this giant
lake of gasoline ready to be blown up or
lit up by the Houthis at any time.
>> You know, back in the early 2000s, there
was the Al-Qaeda, there was ISIS, there
was you know, there was still Hezbollah
and Hamas.
So, how would how is this different?
Because there was lots of military
militant groups.
>> Great question, okay?
Why this is different is there is active
coordination amongst these groups. So,
Al-Qaeda, ISIS, they were working
separately,
but
the there are three proxies, okay? You
have the Houthis, you have the Hezbollah
in Lebanon, you have the Shia militia.
They all report back to the IRGC in
Iran.
And here's the kicker, this is really
important.
Both China
and Russia are supporting Iran in this
conflict.
China is supporting Iran through the
Belt and Road initiative, basically
transporting goods to Iran through this
corridor.
And Russia is supporting Iran through
the Caspian Sea.
As a result, Iran in theory could fight
this war indefinitely.
Okay? That's one thing that we have to
appreciate. There's a clear
alliance in place to make sure that Iran
and its proxies can withstand
this war.
The other thing that's really important
for us to appreciate is that the Middle
East, it is the
heart and center of the petrodollar
system. It takes all these
barrels of oil
in the GCC countries
and transports them
to India,
Pakistan,
China,
Japan.
Okay?
And what then happens is the the East
Asia takes
these barrels of oil energy. Um could
you put the the mirror brothers in
Japan? What are these little figurines
you're asking me to put in Japan? So,
this represents Japan's contribution to
the global economy. So, it takes energy
from the Middle East and turns them into
manufactured products, consumer
electronic products for the world to
consume. It makes these in US dollars
and China, Japan, and the GCC all invest
their excess savings in the United
States, which allows the United States
to focus on innovation, to create place
like New York City. New York City is
also very specialized area because it
basically is the financial center of the
world. Okay? So, all this
is the petrodollar system. It As you can
see, this system is dependent on free
trade. But once the oil stops flowing,
then what happens
is China, Japan are no longer able to
make the manufactured goods they need to
export.
And the United States loses
all these recycled US dollars.
So, the three biggest buyers of US
Treasuries, basically the three
biggest financiers
of the of the US economy, basically the
AI
bubble, are Japan, the GCC, and China.
So, we will see a cascading effect
where maybe in a few months time
the system collapses.
>> Do you know what, Professor?
One [snorts] of the reasons why I think
it's quite hard for and I'm just going
to be completely honest, people can take
this as they take it, but it's just me
being honest. One of the reasons why
it's quite hard to
>> [snorts]
>> believe that, you know, the world is is
going to collapse and that this is going
to be like the Bronze Age Collapse. I
was I was actually reading about the
Bronze Age Collapse after you mentioned
it and what I I pulled up here says,
"The Late Bronze Age Collapse was a
rapid, violent, and widespread societal
breakdown that occurred in the Eastern
Mediterranean between approximately
1,200 and 1,150 BCE. Before the
collapse, the region was heavily
globalized. Major superpowers like the
Egyptians, etc., etc., were deeply
interconnected
through diplomacy, royal marriages, and
complex international trade networks.
But, within a span of just 50 years,
almost every significant city in the
Eastern Mediterranean was destroyed and
many were never rebuilt."
And there's a map which I'll throw up on
the screen which shows this breakdown.
I Here's my honesty.
As a 34-year-old,
I have lived a very
>> charmed life.
>> charmed life.
>> Yeah.
>> As it relates to his you know, history
and the things that happened in history.
So, when we hear these things that, you
know, the society will break down,
there'll be civil collapse, we don't
really have a reference point at as like
Gen Z's and millennials really. Our
parents and their parents, they have,
you know, reference points from World
War II, etc., the 1940s, etc., but we
don't really have them. So, it seems all
to be quite, you know, that can't happen
to us.
>> Yeah. You're absolutely right. And I
think a lot of the issue is
the world has been constructed in a way
to maintain the privileges
of the Western populations. An example I
use is
um, you say
that we've lived a charmed life. Well,
if you've been
if you lived in
Iraq, Afghanistan, these places, you do
not live a charmed life.
>> Yeah.
>> Because the United States came and
attacked you for no particular reason
and destroyed the very infrastructure of
your society. Even today, Iraq and
Afghanistan are engulfed in local
violence and war and political
assassinations. And so you've never
known if you were a child in Iraq or
Afghanistan and even in Africa
you've never you've never known peace,
stability, and prosperity. So, the
inequality in the world is stark and we
in the West have been extremely
privileged to be sheltered from a lot of
the chaos in the world. In fact, the US
empire's designed to ensure the
populations never have to suffer the
tragedy
and suffering of other people. And what
I'm trying to say is
this US empire is breaking down
and there's nothing that we can do to
stop it. So, all the suffering that that
we have might have seen on television
it is coming to us
in our lives.
And we need to be aware of it.
>> When you say it's coming to us in our
lives, what's coming to us in our lives?
>> The same political violence, the same
chaos, the same political polarization
that has
infested the rest of the world.
>> Do you think war is coming to our
shores? Because we now live in a post
new nuclear bomb era.
>> Yes.
>> And that seems to have created a weird
way a bit of peace
>> Right.
>> between superpowers.
>> So, I'm going to go to the screen
>> Okay.
>> and I'm going to
paint you a picture
of our global supply chains.
And what it means for global supply
chains to break down using a few maps.
And these maps, I hope, will paint a
clear and simple picture of what it what
is about to come.
>> Can I ask you a question just before we
get to the screen? Have you always been
pessimistic about the future?
>> No.
>> When did you become pessimistic about
the future?
>> I became very pessimistic about the
future after Brexit and the election of
Donald Trump.
Because
I was an immigrant
who grew up in a very poor family. My
father was a dishwasher, and he was a
dishwasher for 30 years before he
retired. Our were so poor, we couldn't
even afford a car.
We never took any vacations, but
I worked hard, I got into Yale
University.
One of the best colleges in the world.
And not only that, but I went there on a
full scholarship. So, from my
perspective, the world was perfect. It
was a meritocracy.
It was a place that rewarded talent and
hard work. So, I believed
that
the world was governed by reason,
by logic, by science, by truth, by good
people.
And when Brexit and the election of
Donald Trump happened, I was
traumatized.
Brexit was the British people turning
away from globalization. The election of
Donald Trump,
from my perspective, was the American
rejection
of meritocracy, of reason, of truth, of
of order. And
when that happened,
it sort of told me
what I believed about the world
didn't really work.
And when those things happen,
that
forced me to reflect deeply on
why the world was was breaking down. And
those events led me to today. Because
what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to
figure out
patterns of history,
principles of society
that allow us to better understand
ourselves. And that's why I drew you
this formula.
Because traditionally we understood
innovation
as maybe coming from universities.
And having studied history, having
studied global supply chains, I now
recognize that no, technology just comes
from specialization and globalization.
And this not only is an analysis of the
current world, but it also gives us
a framework to predict the future,
right? So if
in the time of war, specialization and
globalization break down, then in theory
technology should break down as well.
Okay? And that's what what I'm what I'm
trying to do. I'm trying to figure out
how and why we are we where we are
today.
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>> So, this is a summary of the global
supply chain network and we can see how
it evolves the entire world. You are not
able to build semiconductors unless you
have a globalized economy. So, there's
been a lot of talk about China
controlling the
elements, right? So, China manufactures
about
70% of the world's silicon
and rare earths, China controls about
70% of rare earths. What people don't
appreciate is it works both ways, okay?
So, China does export a lot of silicon
and rare earths, but it also needs
import a lot of helium in order to
sustain its semiconductor manufacturing
process. The reason why is helium cools
the semiconductors in a way
to to allow it for to manufacture, okay?
So, helium is a cooling agent. Another
thing that people don't appreciate is
people think that China has monopoly on
rare earths, but America in a place
called Spruce Pine, Spruce Pine,
North Carolina,
this area has monopoly on high-quality
quartz.
It controls about 90% of the world's
high-quality quartz, which you need in
the silicon manufacturing process as
well.
Okay? So, if these nations start to stop
trading with each other, technology
would cease to progress.
Now, something to keep in mind is it's
not just semiconductors are dependent on
the global supply chain. Food is also
very dependent on the global supply
chain. So, what we're seeing is a stark
contrast between the north and the
south. So, the north, okay,
produces
most of the world's fertilizer.
And the south, okay, primarily Africa,
the Middle East,
and South America, they import a lot of
the fertilizer. This is my actual chart
much more clearly, okay? So, ammonia is
a very important component of
fertilizer. And as you can see, most of
the ammonia production plants are
actually in the north of the world,
Canada, United States, Europe, China,
Russia. So,
the south, the global south, is
dependent on the north for food. In a
time of war, when global supply chains
break down, the north might lose access
to fancy wireless smartphones. The south
will face famine, okay? Why is this
important?
Because the world is rife with conflict.
The main issue that we're we will face
next 20 years is not oil, it's actually
water.
All right?
So, this map that we're seeing right now
is actually telling us where the next
major geopolitical flash points are. So,
basically, if you see red on the map, it
means this place has water scarcity
issues. And the red issues tells exactly
where wars will erupt, okay? So, even
the United States, if you look at the
western part of the United States, they
do have water scarcity issues. And
actually, if you go to uh the western
United States, Colorado, California,
Arizona, these places, they're fighting
over
the Colorado River because the Colorado
Colorado River is what supplies most of
the water. You go to the Middle East,
and you know that the Middle East is
almost like a dynamite ready to explode.
And what this war will do is aggravate
all the tensions in the Middle East.
India itself is facing water shortages,
which brings it into conflict with
China, okay? So, this one map, if you
can just see it, it basically tells you
um where the next geopolitical flash
points will be. It means a place that is
most likely to go to war
or have conflict or political violence
within the next 20 years.
Okay? But also here
is North uh East Asia.
Japan is here, North Korea is here,
okay? So, that's another major flash
point. So, this is what over the next 20
years
where war is most likely to break out.
Okay? But what's important to appreciate
is once war breaks out, there are
third-order effects
um causing conflict to spread around the
world. Okay? This is a really important
map for us to appreciate as well. This
map tells us
fertility rates around the world. As you
can see,
Africa has the world's
highest fertility rate followed by the
Middle East. Okay?
>> So, they're having the most children per
couples.
>> That's right. Why is this a problem?
Because if you go back to the previous
map, this area is also where there is
the most geopolitical tension.
And so, if there are more and more
children, young people being born here,
they have no choice but to migrate. And
where would they migrate? Probably to
Europe. And you're like, well, okay.
Well, then what
Europe should do is
turtle up. Europe should build walls and
prevent these migrants from reaching
Europe. But Europe has its own problem,
which is the aging crisis. Okay? So,
look at what's happening where the
fastest aging populations
are in fact in the most developed
nations, including Japan,
Europe, and North America.
So,
if you have an aging population, you
need to provide cheap health care,
nursing.
What What does that mean? It means you
have to let in more immigrants
>> in order to service
>> the aging population.
And what will happen then is domestic
conflict where you have more migration
into Western societies, which brings
them into conflict with the native
populations, and therefore, it is
possible you have civil war
as well as political violence,
and even the possibility of revolution.
Okay? So, these maps, collectively,
paint a very grim picture of the world
that we're we're living in.
>> On this page here about immigration
causing civil war, political violence,
revolution, wouldn't it just be the
case, as we're seeing, that these
Western societies will increasingly
elect right-wing political parties,
which is kind of what we're seeing.
We're seeing, you know, parties in the
UK like Reform, surge. I think there was
news yesterday in Germany of the the
political party there. We're seeing I
mean, we're seeing the same in the
United States as well.
>> That That's a fantastic point. That's
That's exactly what we're seeing. We're
seeing the AfD surge in Germany. You
know, MAGA being very dominant in the
United States. We're seeing Vox in
Spain. So, in theory, what's going to
happen is these countries become much
more right-wing, and then they block out
immigration because that that is their
main policy platform.
>> And that should stop the civil
>> The problem is what do you do about your
aging population?
>> Robots.
>> Exactly, right? That's what you would
think, but what we're seeing is a
breakdown in global supply chains.
Robots
depend on
copper,
right? Which you get from
Chile, Peru,
China, Australia. These are pretty far
away places from Europe and the United
States, right? You also need lithium,
which you get from the lithium triangle.
Again, pretty far away. You also need
silicon, which is uh mainly manufactured
in China. You need rare earths, which
again is really manufactured in China.
So, this you've had this huge issue
where, in theory, you could use robots.
But, in a Well, when global supply chain
breaks down, you have to figure out the
cheapest way to resolve the labor issue.
And the cheapest solution is
immigration, right? People, I have to
say this, but people are much cheaper
and much more expendable than robots.
So,
I know
this is a bit scary.
I know this is really depressing, okay?
But,
what if the United States
were able to win this war in Iran
and conduct regime change? Then, all our
problems are solved, right?
Now, Iran is under control of the United
States, and we're back to globalization,
where oil is able to flow to South uh
Asia, to East Asia, and then they
manufacture goods, and then recycle
their profits into the Asian economy.
And with all this money, AI
is able to innovate to a point where we
achieve AGI,
and then we solve
all the world's problems, okay?
>> So, what happens next with this whole
Iran situation?
>> So, unfortunately,
it has now developed its own momentum,
all right? So, let me explain what is
most likely to happen. Okay. So, you
have Iran,
and you are now controlling the Strait
of Hormuz, right? You have the Houthis,
and they control the Bab el-Mandab
Strait.
You have Hezbollah, which can threaten
the Suez Canal.
You have the Shia militias
that can also threaten the
Mediterranean,
right?
From a game theory perspective,
what Iran should do next is take the
initiative and disrupt all global trade.
The reason why is
the US empire is based on a petrodollar.
It's based on global trade. When you
disrupt global trade
at the same time, there's no way for the
United States to respond.
>> How could they disrupt global trade?
>> What they can do is start to attack
randomly.
Okay? So, what who who's going to do is
attack Saudi Arabia.
Um Iraq can
um
attack Israel. Iran can attack the
Strait of Hormuz.
Uh Hezbollah can attack the Suez Canal,
okay? And why you do that is you're
creating uncertainty and chaos in the
global trade system. Why is that
important? Because the global trade
system is built on confidence.
And that's what drives insurance, okay?
So, if you're an insurance company,
you're like, "Oh my god, these countries
are Sorry, these
actors are completely out of control.
The United States has lost control over
the situation.
You can no longer insure global
shipping. If you can't insure global
shipping, global shipping ceases to
work.
All right? So, this is the madman
theory. And this is Iran's best play
moving forward. The reason why is the
United States does not have the military
capacity to respond to a coordinated
random strike across the Middle East.
>> So, is this your prediction? Is this
what happens next?
>> I don't want to make this prediction
just because there are lots of factors I
do not know, okay? So, So, first of all,
I don't know
politically what the situation is in
Iran. Certainly, the IRGC would want to
do this,
but there are political factions within
Iran who would think this is too
provocative. And it's possible the
entire world would unite against Iran if
Iran were to do this.
>> So, what is your prediction in terms of
Iran and what happens next?
>> My prediction is this will only
escalate. How it will escalate, I don't
know, okay? But the Trump card,
to use a pun, for Iran
is to start to disrupt global trade.
But United States has a response. And
this response
is to attack Iran's critical civilian
infrastructure, which includes
desalination plants and power plants.
And this would be worse than using a
nuclear weapon on Iran. Because without
power plants, the people in Tehran,
well, a city of about 10 million people,
they face starvation. Because a lot of
this food is refrigerated.
This is how the war becomes
almost civilization destroying. If Iran
were to completely disrupt global trade,
and if the United States were to destroy
the power plants of Iran.
>> Obviously, that would be horrific and uh
sort of inconceivably horrifying for the
people that live in Iran, the innocent
people that are caught in the middle of
this.
You don't think that the US would
actually do that, though, right?
>> I think the United States will be forced
to do it.
>> You think they'll be forced to do it?
>> Yes, according to game theory, they will
be forced to behave like this. Because
we need to appreciate
this
formula. Where the more power you have,
the less imagination empathy
you have. You And so the idea is you
don't think killing millions of Iranians
is a too heavy a price.
It's all worth it if you can maintain
the empire. The hubris
leads you to believe that the gods favor
you.
And you ultimately win and triumph in
this
great struggle.
>> Can't you create a huge migration crisis
where people start fleeing from Iran
up into Europe because they are
starving.
>> Exactly, right? Not just Iran, but
Africa as well because they've lost
access to cheap energy and fertilizer.
So, you have all this migration into
Europe which would overwhelm
European the European social fabric,
which would overwhelm the European
state.
But, unfortunately, this has been
happening
at a much slower pace ever since 2014
when for whatever reason, the United
States chose to
destroy
Libya and cause civil war in Syria,
which caused millions to migrate into
Europe. And as you remember, the
Europeans in their generosity accepted
all these migrants, which is leading
which has led to tremendous social
friction and political tension in Europe
today.
>> So, your prediction here if we conclude
then is that the US won't win this quote
unquote war in the Middle East
>> Yes.
>> because they can't defeat Iran and its
proxies, but also your conclusion is
that this is going to continue to
escalate in the Middle East.
>> Yes. And already what we're seeing are
other actors being drawn into the war.
So, the most recent news is South Korea
has authorized a naval contingent to go
and try to secure the Strait of Hormuz.
>> What would you do if you were Donald
Trump?
>> [laughter]
>> I mean,
um
what would I do if I were Donald Trump?
I would push all in. I would start
attacking power plants in uh Iran
because
if I take any half measures
I would just look weak.
And I'm only going to create more
problems. I would only incentivize
Iran and its allies to be more
provocative, to be more aggressive. So,
if I'm Donald Trump and I'm in this
situation I would just [snorts] push all
in.
>> You do up killing millions of Iranians
theoretically.
Well, I start this war, right?
Then I have to win this war.
Because I can't lose this war. I refuse
to lose this war.
I mean
Again, I I understand the concerns,
okay? But if you want to understand how
these leaders think, this formula gives
you
the best window into into the
psychology, which is because of so much
power, they lose the capacity to imagine
different possibilities and have empathy
for the suffering of the people in the
world.
>> Couldn't they just back out? Couldn't
they just Donald Trump just say do a big
press conference where he says we won
this war in Iran, we destroyed their
military, their naval bases, it's done,
and Iran will no longer have a nuclear
weapons.
>> The entire petrodollar system is premise
on two things. The US dollar as the
world reserve currency and the aura of
invincibility and invincibility of the
US military.
>> If they look like they are beatable
then the the US as its image is
sufficiently tarnished.
>> Right.
>> What are your predictions? I've been
dying to know.
>> So, I brought to you three predictions
and because we are so close to the
anniversary of 9/11 in New York City um
I structured these predictions around
the anniversary. And so these will be
three fun but horrifying predictions.
Okay? All right. So, my prediction
number one is
there will be a siege on New York City.
All right. So, let let me explain my
logic.
I was here last time and I said that
Donald Trump will get a third term.
And he's been joking about it. He's been
talking a lot about it. He's been so so
truthing about it.
And so, let's imagine
what happens if Trump gets a third term?
Well, you would have a lot of pissed off
people.
Especially in the major cities of Los
Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, Chicago,
and New York City.
>> We should probably just pause there
because there is a a constitutional ban
on serving three terms. The primary
barrier being the 22nd Amendment, which
was ratified in 1951 by Franklin D.
Roosevelt,
um who won four elections. It
establishes a strict term limit for the
presidency, and the text in this 22nd
Amendment explicitly says, "No person
shall be elected to the office of the
president more than twice."
So, how could that happen?
>> Well,
let's just say there is a
national emergency,
and the president is forced to suspend
the Constitution,
then he could theoretically
have his third term.
It's also possible that in 2028, he
decides to run as the vice president,
and have his son, Don Jr., run at the
top of the ticket.
And then, once the election is over,
then
Don Jr. would resign, and then Donald
Trump would become
the president. And there's nothing in
the Constitution that prevents him from
doing that.
So, there are two possibilities.
>> There isn't anything in the Constitution
that allows the US president to suspend
the Constitution in a in a
time of a national emergency.
>> It's president. Um so, for example,
during the American Civil War, Abraham
Lincoln was able to suspend habeas
corpus,
which is a constitutional right in the
US Constitution.
And during World War
II, Franklin Delano Delano Roosevelt
also did many unconstitutional things.
For example, interning the Japanese
population uh in camps.
There's nothing that court could do
against uh this
uh because a lot of US politics is
convention. It's agreed upon norms.
But if a US president is like,
"Well, screw these conventions." There's
nothing anyone else can do about it.
All right. So, let's imagine, okay, just
for for the sake of this argument, Trump
gets a third term.
What will happen is these cities that
are Democratic
will be in open revolt, meaning they
will refuse to pay taxes to the federal
government, but they will also not
welcome ICE federal agents into their
cities.
Which creates conflict between local law
enforcement and federal law enforcement.
And historically, if that were to
happen, then the president US president
usually thinks that he has the
responsibility to quash this
insurrection.
Right? And so, this would over time lead
to the siege of New York City, where
may- maybe federal forces along with
possibly militias from other states,
possibly red states that favor Trump,
they would try to besiege New York City
by cutting off the food supply and water
supply to New York City. And this
[snorts] would be a conflict that could
go on for years and years.
>> And what year would that take place?
2028?
>> It could happen right after
um Trump secures his third term.
>> Do you think Trump is going to have a
third term?
>> Um do you want to bet?
>> Yeah.
>> I think he'll get a third term.
>> How much do you want to bet?
>> Let's make a friendly bet and say $100.
>> Do you know what? I've said this before,
but I actually did have a bet with two
random guys on Facebook.
I don't use Facebook, but I did bet with
two random guys on Facebook a couple of
years ago. They told me that after
Donald Trump had lost the election to
Joe Biden, they told me that he was
going to stay in power.
And so, I said there's no way he stays
in power.
And they said, "No, he will." So, they
and then they offered me a bet. They
said, "A thousand pounds each. Uh we bet
you he's going to stay in power." They
were like queuing on people. And I said,
"Fine." And uh they actually did pay me
when he he came out of power. They they
transferred me a thousand dollars each.
I gave it to charity, but so, I'm more
than happy to make another bet if you
want to make a bet.
>> Yeah, let's do it. A hundred dollars. A
hundred US dollars.
>> A hundred US dollars. And you're you're
betting that Trump gets a third term.
>> Yes, I think he'll be in power after
2028. Is that fair? Like like he'll be
in power after 2028.
>> When's the election?
>> Well, the election should be November
4th, 2028.
But I I didn't say he would win the
election. I I just said he he would get
a third term.
>> So, you're saying that he will refuse to
leave office or
find another way to remain president
beyond the date of the inauguration.
>> Yes, I'm saying that uh on January 21st,
2029, Trump will still be in the White
House.
>> Okay, I'll take that bet.
>> Okay.
>> For everyone's clear. And please do uh
remind me to cash in, lads.
>> A hundred dollars.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. A hundred hundred dollars may not
be worth anything at that time, but it's
a hundred dollars, okay?
>> Okay.
>> All right. So, as again, we are just
assuming
for the sake of argument that Trump is
in office in his third term, there will
be political violence
uh across the United States, primarily
in New York City. And if
the federal authorities being challenged
by a city or local state authority, then
the president will take this very
seriously and send in forces to quash
this insurrection.
Maybe other cities will be much more
compliant, but New York City has a very
charismatic mayor
in Zohan Madani. And like New Yorkers,
you don't want to mess with New Yorkers.
When they get angry, they get really
really angry. So, so this, I think
uh is
uh very likely if Trump gets a third
term. There'll be a siege in New York
City.
>> [snorts]
>> He would almost be 83 years old.
>> I mean, we say that, but like the amount
of energy he has, right? The fact of the
matter is the guy eats cheeseburgers
every day.
He gives a press conference almost every
day. He's always on social media
tweeting out something stupid. For
example, he's tweeted out that, you
know, all of North America is now the
USA. I'm not sure if you've seen that
yet. And he's talking about taking over
Canada and Greenland and Cuba. So, I
don't know where he gets his his energy,
but he seems really energetic.
I'm not sure if you've ever interviewed
Obama.
>> Michelle Obama?
>> Okay, but like if you just looked at the
picture
of Obama in 2008, he was a really
handsome,
really young, very vibrant man
in 2008.
You fast forward 8 years
and he came out just decrepit, okay? He
he was he had aged like at least 20
years in his office.
Donald Trump, for whatever reason,
has not aged that much.
>> Hair dye and fake tan?
>> He So, there's something really weird
about Donald Trump, which is a lot of US
journalists in Washington D.C. have his
direct personal cell phone number.
And they can call him and they will talk
for an hour.
Like
the guy is the president of the United
States.
And
if you are just an average Washington
journalist,
you can call him and talk to him for for
an hour a day. There are journalists who
go to the White House, interview him,
and says like, "We tried to get We tried
to like leave like an hour ago, but he
had he made us stay and talk to him some
more. He wouldn't let us leave."
So, I don't know where he gets his
energy from, but he's extremely
extremely energetic and he loves that
attention.
>> Okay.
What's prediction number two?
>> So, again, we are approaching the
anniversary of 9/11.
And there are a lot of people who fear
there will be another 9/11 attack on the
United States.
Just because you have a lot of actors
that are very angry at the United States
and who may want to seek vengeance
against American people. In that case,
if there is another 9/11 attack on the
United States,
I believe it will be an attack on the US
financial infrastructure.
Okay, so let me explain my reasoning.
What was 9/11? 9/11 was an act committed
by terrorists in order to traumatize the
population into self-destructive
violence.
Is that a fair statement?
>> I don't really know. Is that Was that
the
>> So, let's parse the statement. 9/11 was
an attempt to traumatize the American
population into self-destructive
violence. What I mean by that is you're
taking the symbols of American power,
which are like these airplanes,
>> Mhm.
>> as well as the Twin Towers. These are
symbols of American power.
>> And the Pentagon and
>> And the Pentagon
and the White House
and you're destroying them.
And for the longest time, American
people believed that these are symbols
of American invincibility. Our planes,
our the Pentagon, the Twin Towers. And
to see them destroyed like that would
traumatize the population. In fact, it
did traumatize many many people.
And the idea is you traumatize them into
a self-destructive violence, which means
like they want vengeance. And so what
did they do? They went to the Middle
East, fought against the Taliban in
Afghanistan, then went to attack Iraq,
then this war spread to Syria, Libya.
[clears throat]
And we can say that these 20 years of
these forever wars in the Middle East
have been very destructive for the
United States. It's caused a huge fiscal
deficit. It's caused the American
military to lose all of prestige. It's
caused a lot of corruption in Washington
D.C.
It's been very bad for the United
States.
All right. So, if you're a terrorist and
you look at 9/11, you're like, "Okay,
well,
I want to do the same thing, which is
like I want to traumatize people into
self-destructive violence.
How can I do so? Well, I need to
traumatize them, right?
Me
flying planes into the new the new Twin
Towers doesn't do that because people
are now used to they've they've been
normalized into this sort of violence.
So,
how can I induce trauma
into people? Well, there are different
possibilities you can use, right?
So, let's do a thought experiment.
What would happen
if one day you open your iPhone
and you're looking to
buy a coffee.
Well, you scan your iPhone
and
it doesn't read. And you're like, "Well,
there might be a problem with the bank."
You call the bank, you can't get through
to the bank.
And like after hours and hours of
frantic anxiety, you finally recognize
that there was an attack
on critical US financial data servers.
And so, all the money in your bank
account has been wiped out.
And they don't know when or how long it
will take them to retrieve it.
What do you feel?
>> Concerned.
>> I would say you would feel more than
concerned. I would say you would feel a
lot of anger, anxiety, and frustration.
>> But that must be hard to do. Surely
taking out the financial infrastructure
for everybody
for a long enough period of time where
they start to feel real world
consequences.
>> Would Would say 9/11 was hard to do?
>> Yeah.
>> I would say so as well. I can possibly
imagine them doing this. So, there is
certain creativity
to these people.
And I would not rule that out. But, I'm
just saying if another 9/11 happens, it
is possible
what we'll see is the destruction
of the US financial infrastructure,
which would drive millions of people
into a mad frenzy. You've worked your
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who do not like what I'm saying. I would
say I am one of the most polarizing
figures in the world right now.
So, um the story is
that the Iran war happened
in March, and it made me famous.
And I was really afraid that this fame
would annoy and frustrate a lot of
Americans. And so, I uh decided that I
should not actually go to the United
States at this point because it's most
likely that I come here and I could be
held in detention by customs. I could be
deported. And so, that time period was
uh extremely
um scary for me. And I I refused all
offers to come to the United States.
There were quite a few people who wanted
me to fly to the United States to be
interviewed. So,
then what happens over the summer, the
war started sort of died down, and I
thought, "Okay, let me fly to Canada,
where my family is." And I'm in Toronto,
and I'm going to try to enter the United
States by air from Toronto. So, on
August 5th, I went to to the Toronto
Airport Pearson. It was like 7:00 in the
morning because I had an early flight to
Los Angeles.
I told them that I was going to go on
the Phil Vawn show for and I'll be in
the United States for 2 weeks,
uh which [snorts] was all true. So, so
when when I'm at customs, the
immigration officer asked me a lot of
questions, but I I handled all these
questions pretty smoothly. Then he asked
me,
"Do you have a travel letter for your
son?" Because my son, Chris, who's 8
years old, he's traveling with me. And
I'm like,
"What is a travel letter?" And again,
this this is like 7:00 in the morning,
so my brain's not working. He's like,
"Call your wife."
I'm like, "Okay." So, I try to call my
wife. My wife is in the shower. And so,
then the immigration officer says,
"Okay, you have you have to go to
secondary to be interrogated to make
sure that your son, Chris, is
traveling with you willingly." So, we go
to we go to in the secondary,
and it's like 7:00 in the morning, and
my flight's at 8:30. And we're waiting
there for like an hour. And I'm freaking
out because it seems like we're we'll
miss our flight.
And during this hour, I'm texting my
wife, and she's giving me the birth
certificate, she's giving me all the
materials I need to prove that the son
that Chris is my son.
And then at the very last minute, we get
called. And a minute a minute I'm able
to resolve the issue.
And I tell him I'm going to go on the
Phil Donahue show, and I'll be there for
2 weeks.
So, I'm in the United States, and I get
contacted from other podcasts to do
interviews, and I travel on the United
States.
And I I forget about the 2-week
promise to the immigration authorities
because
I'm not sure if you know the law, but
I'm Canadian I'm a Canadian citizen.
And therefore, I don't need a visa to
come to the United States. You know, if
if you say I'm coming for 2 weeks, but
you stay a month, it's usually not an
issue.
I go back to Toronto, and I come back to
do this podcast. And so yesterday,
I am put in
Yesterday, I'm ready, okay? I have my
travel letter, I have my son's birth
birth certificate. And I go to
immigration officer, and they still put
me in secondary. But basically, I think
what happened was
I said certain things during my podcast
interviews that pissed off some really
powerful people in the United States.
A lot of things that I said were related
to something called the Clean Break
memo,
which you have. The Clean Break memo was
published in 1996.
And it laid out a plan for how Israel
can become the dominant hegemon in the
Middle East. It's written by a study
group. And part of the study group,
there were two individuals. They were
Richard Perle
and Douglas Feith.
These two
would
in the George W. administration, sorry,
George W Bush
administration
co-working in the Pentagon. And these
two along with Paul Wolfowitz were the
chief architects of Iraq war.
So, I named these people and I explained
how this warning Iran follows from the
Clean Break memo and their goal is to
establish Israel as the regional
hegemon.
And I think this is what got me into a
lot of trouble.
>> Why do you think that got you into a lot
of trouble?
>> Because I'm a Canadian, when I come into
the country they usually don't bother
me. And so, for them to question me I
think it was because
some top officials basically requested
that I be put in secondary every time I
come to the United States. And I I also
believe this because I have a friend,
Max Blumenthal, who is a very good US
journalist and he was in Iran covering
Khomeini's funeral in response um
a social media influencer named Laura
Loomer
demanded his arrest. And so, when Max
Blumenthal came into the country, and he
is a US citizen by the way his devices
were confiscated.
And now Max Blumenthal is suing the
Department of Homeland Security for
illegally
confiscating his devices. And so, I
think that we live in a time when
unfortunately the empire is in decline
and because of hubris and arrogance they
are trying to silence their critics
rather than accept our constructive
criticisms.
>> Okay. So, it's a theory.
>> Actually, they never told me why I was
put in secondary, but he hinted at me
that every time I come to the United
States I will be put into secondary to
make sure that I'm coming to the United
States for legitimate reasons.
Also, he hinted at me that it is
possible that once my I-94 expires in 6
months, they will not renew it. Meaning
they will not allow me in the country
anymore. I hope I come back to the
United States. I I have the deepest
admiration for the American people. I
think that the Americans are the most
open and generous people in the world.
But, at the same time, I do appreciate
that we are living in very interesting
times.
>> Prediction three.
>> Okay. My third prediction
is that
Lionel Messi will become president of
Argentina.
>> Oh, wow. Wasn't expecting that.
>> Yep. So, I wanted three new predictions
that were fun and interesting for us to
discuss.
So, why I make this prediction is
that Argentina
is working very closely with the United
States and Israel at this moment. You
are a British citizen, so you will
appreciate
that
Argentina
has recently demanded the return of the
Falklands.
And Donald Trump has voiced support to
Argentina.
So, I'm asking myself, why are they so
concerned about the Falklands?
And not only that, but if you've been
following the news,
Javier Milei has become very close with
Benjamin Netanyahu. Argentina and Israel
have very strong relations. In fact,
Argentina is welcoming Israeli
investment
and immigration into
Argentina.
And apparently, if you are an Israeli
citizen and you go into Argentina,
and again, you can fact-check this, but
from what I understand, you have
immediate access to the health care as
well as pension.
Which makes actually no sense because
they're not Argentinian citizens, right?
So, it seems very much that Argentina is
working very close with Israel and the
United States. And the reason why why I
think that Israel and and Argentina are
working very close together is right now
there's almost a civil war in Israel.
We have Messianic Jews
who believe this war in the Middle East
will usher in the end times and the
coming of Messiah and secular Jews who
are like these people are insane.
And so, the only way to resolve this
conflict is by
exporting
secular Jews elsewhere. And it seems to
me um Argentina is a very good place to
export them. So, but then you're like,
"Okay, how do you get
the people of Argentina to accept
this massive immigration into into
Argentina from Israel?" Because Israel
is not very popular
in Argentina. I think the best way is to
make Lionel Messi the president
of Argentina and his popularity will be
enough to let all these Israelis into
the country.
Him as well as the reclaiming of the
Falkland Islands, right? These two
things, you know, the
god of Argentina becomes president and
Argentina reclaims the Falklands from
the British. And I'm I I'm I I apologize
to you as as a British citizen. It's
okay, I like Messi.
>> Okay.
You you also mentioned to me that you
think Japan is going to go to war with
China or China's going to go to war with
Japan.
>> Yes.
>> What makes you think that?
>> Well, because every Chinese believes
this.
Yes, so it's the funniest thing, but
like for the longest time people
believed that China will eventually
invade Taiwan. This is what's very
commonly accepted in the West.
But if you actually go to China, no
Chinese actually believes this and no
Taiwanese actually believes this because
um this is not the way that China
actually goes about its foreign policy.
It does not go and invade other
countries. Or in its most recent
history, it has not been that
aggressive. The last war that China
fought was in Vietnam, and this was was
in the mid early '80s, okay? So this is
a long time.
But if you go to China today,
everyone believes that China and Japan
will go to war.
And to appreciate this, you have to
understand the geography
of Southeast Asia. Should I turn up the
sound a bit on the screen? Yeah, okay.
So what I want to do is use geography
to explain why conflict between China
and Japan is inevitable at this point.
Okay, so you have
Japan.
Okay, and then you have
China.
Okay. So the first thing to appreciate
is that these are two very different
countries.
China is a land power that is
self-sufficient.
Japan is a sea power that is dependent
on resources from abroad. So
historically, China was primarily an
agricultural nation.
Japan, in order to survive, engaged in
piracy. So the Japanese have always been
pretty militaristic. They have a very
They had a samurai culture for the
longest time. They were always at war
with each other. Um and the Japanese
people are extremely resilient and
cohesive because the geography of Japan
is very unstable. There's lots of
earthquakes. There's lots of tsunamis.
So they have to work together as a
people in order to survive. This is
important because
this war in Iran is affecting both China
and Japan.
China will probably have to
deindustrialize,
but if Japan doesn't do anything, then
it's possible in the next 50 years Japan
ceases to exist because not only is
Japan dependent on energy and imports
and resources from overseas, but it has
an aging population. It has the most
elderly population in the world. So, in
a time of war
when the United States is no longer able
to give you protection, Japan needs to
create resource colonies. And
historically, Southeast Asia, right
here,
has been the main resource colony of
Japan.
If it doesn't have Southeast Asia, the
United States now becomes the main
benefactor of Japan. And
Japan doesn't want to be in that
position because that's what happened in
World War II when uh Japan got most of
its energy from the United States. And
when the United States embargoed Japan,
Japan was was forced to declare war on
the United States. Okay, so the United
States
can provide Japan with all its energy
needs, but that would make Japan
completely subservient. So, Japan wants
to
basically access the resources of
Southeast Asia. There's a problem
though, and that problem is called
Taiwan.
Taiwan is right in the middle
of the South China Sea.
And if China and Taiwan were to reunify,
what China could do now is embargo
Japan. I'm not saying China will do so,
but I'm saying that China has the option
of doing so, and that's and Japan sees
that as a threat to its its existence.
In fact, um a few months ago
>> What does embargo mean?
>> It embargo means you blockade, okay?
>> But if they did this, wouldn't the whole
hell would break loose? You know, Japan
are going to attack China.
The Taiwan is going to get messy. It's
going to impact China.
>> So, I'm not saying that China would
embargo with but I'm saying it has the
option of doing so.
>> But you are saying that China is going
to attack Japan.
>> No, no, no, no. I'm saying there's a
conflict between the between these two
nations.
>> Okay, I thought you said it was
inevitable.
>> Yes, but so so let me explain how how
this would draw out how this will play
out, okay?
So,
Japan sees Taiwan the Taiwan issue as
vital to its national security interest.
And that's what exactly what Prime
Minister Takaichi said a few months ago.
And when she made that statement, China
overreacted. So, before you had millions
of tourists from China visiting Japan a
year, now most of them are not allowed
to go to Japan.
And it's very likely that China and
Japan will have a conflict over Taiwan.
Now,
the thing to remember is it does not
benefit any nation here to go to war
because as you point out, all chaos
would break out. What you need to do is
create leverage to negotiate better
terms. Okay? So, what Japan is doing is
saying, "Okay,
look, we can't take on
China directly
because China is too powerful. But what
what we can do is build alliances to
possibly challenge and if we have to
embargo China. All right? So, what Japan
is doing is building alliances with the
Philippines,
and Australia,
and India.
And together these four nations, even
with the United States, they could in
theory choose to embargo China.
Right? What Japan needs is access to
Southeast Asia because that will be the
main source of its resources
going into the future. So, that is the
scenario being played out. Now,
China does not want to come into a
conflict with Japan. Why? Because China
is seen as a big bad dragon in this
area. And if China is seen as too
provocative, that would basically, in
the eyes of all of Southeast Asia, to
gang up on China. So, you can see
alliance between India, Southeast Asia,
Taiwan, Philippines, Australia, South
Korea, North Korea, Japan versus China.
Okay?
So,
the way to resolve this issue
is to use a proxy
in order to threaten Japan
in order to
uh develop more leverage
over Japan in negotiations, right? And
that proxy, of course, is North Korea.
So, North Korea
has the potential
to shell South Korea because most of the
population of South Korea lives within
20 minutes of North Korea. And so, in
theory, North Korea could flatten Seoul
in just a day, okay? Most of North
Korean artillery is actually by the
border. What North Korea could also do
is lobby missiles into the Sea of Japan
and rattle the Japanese.
Okay? So, this is the dynamic being
played out where Japan, through its
proxies, primarily the Philippines,
is challenging Chinese naval dominance
in the South China Sea, and China will
use North Korea as a proxy to threaten
South Korea and Japan. Over time, as the
United States retreats
from
uh the Asia-Pacific,
this conflict between China and Japan
will get worse and worse. And the main
main reason why is it is in the
strategic best interest of the United
States to foment as much tension between
China and Japan as possible.
>> But it could compromise Taiwan, no?
>> Who cares?
>> Do you ask about Taiwan?
>> No, it doesn't.
>> I thought it was who?
>> we get all of our semiconductors from.
>> But what does Trump want to do? He wants
Taiwanese to move their semiconductor
industry to the United States.
And it's already happening where TSMC,
the main semiconductor
company in Taiwan, is opening a I
believe it's 20 20 billion dollars
new factory in Arizona. So if there's a
conflict between China and Japan, the
the tension becomes worse and worse, the
Taiwanese semiconductor industry it
would be forced to relocate to the
United States, which would be in the
best interest of the Americans.
>> You also think that
Russia are going to invade the Baltics.
>> Yeah. Okay, so now what what we'll shift
focus and go into Europe.
All right? Okay, but but is this pretty
clear?
>> Yes, it is clear.
>> Okay. Right now you have
NATO or Europe
supporting Ukraine
in its war against
Russia.
Okay? And most of this war is actually
happening in Eastern Ukraine and Russia
seems to be winning a lot of territory
in Eastern Ukraine.
>> But everybody's saying that Ukraine are
fighting back really, really well.
>> The reason why is what Ukraine has
chosen to do in these past few months,
which has which has changed the contours
of the war, is Ukraine is using drones
to attack Russia's energy
infrastructure.
>> And just hitting Russia in general is
making the people of Russia change their
perception.
>> Exactly, right? So before this conflict
was contained to Eastern Ukraine,
it didn't affect the people of Russia.
In fact, it really was helping the
economy of Russia because Russia could
still export its oil around the world.
Now, Ukraine what Ukraine is doing is
using drones to attack the oil
refineries of Russia, which is causing
economic pain
on the Russian people. And this is
making uh Putin
increasingly unpopular. Okay? So, the
conduct of the war has changed. So, if
you're Russia and you're looking at
this, you think your enemy is not
Ukraine. You You think your enemy is
NATO Europe. Why? Because Ukraine, the
drones are being manufactured
in Germany
and the UK and other places as well.
So, in theory
Ukraine could fight this war to infinity
because its manufacturing hub is in
Europe. Europe is is also providing
Ukraine with infinite financing
as well as intelligence. Okay? So, if
you're Russia, you're like, "Wait a
minute here.
Over time, we can't possibly win this
war of attrition because we're fighting
Europe and Europe's
manufacturing
capacity is well protected behind the
NATO alliance.
Okay? So, what I need to do
is provoke NATO in Europe into coming
into Ukraine, basically force them out
of their shell. Shell, right? And so,
what's been happening is Germany and
Russia have been in conflict these past
few months.
Uh in early August, there was a drone
attack on Leipzig Airport, okay? Leipzig
Airport.
And the Germans blamed the Russians.
And in response, the Germans closed down
the Rus- Russian consulate in Bonn
as well as removed certain Russians from
uh Germany. Russia is retaliating by
closing the German consulate in St.
Petersburg.
And
the Russian Foreign Minister, Sergey
Lavrov, has has said, "We are in a
similar situation to 1941." What
happened in 1941? The Germans invaded
Russia.
Okay? So, in other words, Russia
recognizes that if they just leave
Europe alone and just fight this war in
Ukraine, they will lose in the end. So,
they must force and provoke Europe into
mass mobilization to defend Ukraine.
And one way to do that is by hitting
critical manufacturing infrastructure
within Europe.
>> Do you think Russia Russia's next move
is to attack within NATO?
Germany, the UK, etc.
>> It has no choice. It It has to do this.
>> Can't Can't it just do a deal
with Trump? Like, you know, they're
trying to do a deal at the moment,
aren't they? Jared Kushner's apparently
trying to get a deal done between
Ukraine and Russia, and
>> So,
the United States,
do you want peace between Europe and
Russia? Or do you want war between
Europe and Russia? Well, from a game
theory perspective, you're better off
with war. Why? Because if there's war,
Russia can't sell its energy overseas.
The United States has a monopoly over
energy now, right?
>> global instability though. If there's a
war here, then it's going to impact the
US in a
>> Well, then why did the United States
invade Iran? Right?
>> Cuz they thought it would be an
overnight Venezuela situation where you
decapitate the leadership, everyone
rises up, you have a favorable leader in
the country that you is subservient to
you.
>> Great. Exactly. And this is exactly how
the empire thinks, right? We already
used this formula, right? Now,
if we apply this formula to Europe
situation, then the thinking is, "Well,
Putin is a paper tiger.
He is very unpopular at home.
If we just force
this war for another two months, if we
continue to attack the energy
infrastructure of Russia, then
eventually people will arise up and
overthrow Putin.
Right? The same logic.
>> So, therefore Trump wants the
Ukraine to win.
Or he wants Ukraine to keep doing what
they're doing.
>> Well, Trump [snorts]
personally doesn't care, right? Because
the more war there is, the more the
Europeans are forced to rely on American
energy.
>> Okay.
>> So, if you're Putin,
what you need to do is force the
Europeans into war in Ukraine. Why?
These are There's only really only one
path to victory in this scenario.
The path to victory is to cause
instability
and violence
in Europe, okay?
The idea is if you force Europe to mass
mobilize,
the people would rather
overthrow the government
than agree to take up arms against
Russia. That's the theory, okay? But
Russia has exactly one path to victory,
and that is to cause as much instability
and violence as possible within Europe.
And the best way to do that is by
forcing the Europeans to mass mobilize
their population.
Okay? But for that to happen,
what Russia needs to do first is declare
total war.
What total war means is the mass
mobilization
of your society. So, what's important
for us to appreciate is
so far, Russia has not declared war on
Ukraine. It is a special military
operation,
which means that Russia is relying on
volunteers to fight this war. In a time
of total war, Russia could mobilize its
adult population, and we estimate there
are at least 3 million
reservists in Russia ready to be called
up to arms.
Mass mobilization in Russia would force
mass mobilization in
Europe. And this is how the war is most
likely
uh
will most likely turn out.
>> I mean, I guess the other thing that's I
mean, listen, Professor there's a
sounds like there's a lot of conflict on
the way.
>> There's an acceleration underway.
>> What would have to be true for us to sit
here in 2036
and for there not to have been a
conflict between China and Japan, for
the
uh Iran situation to have cooled off,
the Ukraine war is either, you know,
where it is now or it's uh regressed?
>> The Clinwick memo.
This changed history.
>> So, what what are you saying
specifically? Specifically, what would
have to be the case for none of none of
these sort of catastrophic things to
take place?
>> Okay, in the year 1995, okay, this was
published in 1996. Now, you Yahoo came
to power in Israel in 1996. In 1995, we
lived in a world of neoliberalism.
Something called Washington Consensus.
And the idea is we have developed a new
model of history.
If people just traded
with each other
and consumers just bought goods, we
would have peace forever.
Okay, this is what we call it
neoliberalism, Washington Consensus.
>> [snorts]
>> And Bill Clinton
was the main proponent
of this idea.
And in order to achieve this vision for
global peace, what he did was promote
the Oslo peace process, which sought to
create a two-state solution
and bring peace in the Middle East,
right? The two-state solution is the
Palestinians and Israelis agree to live
side by side. And at that time, the main
thinking was
that once peace happened in the Middle
East, once this two-state solution was
created, then they would start to trade
with each other. Israel and Palestine be
brought into the GCC
and they would be part of the global
supply chain. And once prosperity comes
to Israel and Palestine, they would have
no need to ever hate each other again.
This is called the Oslo peace process.
Okay? And again, at that time, this was
just how policymakers in Washington
understood the world.
Right? It worked in China, it worked in
Japan, it worked in Germany. See, Japan
and Germany were these really militant
nation-states, but then we allowed them
to trade, we allowed their consumers to
have air conditioning, SUVs,
and now they're just really peaceful
people. So, why can't we do the same
thing in Israel and Palestine?
>> So, what is the clean break theory? What
what in a sentence?
>> The clean break theory is this.
Netanyahu came into power and basically
his argument is
we can never ever trust the Arabs not to
hate us.
We are Israelis.
We have been promised this land by God.
And the Arabs see us as
enemies, and whatever we do, they will
always hate us. So, screw peace, screw
compromise, let us become the regional
hegemon, because that is our manifest
destiny. That is what God told us to do,
that is what is written in the Bible,
and that that's what we were born to do.
Okay? And this is something called the
clean break memo. And the clean break
memo had three major pillars that have
that have all been achieved today. Okay?
The first pillar is
stop the Oslo peace process, do not give
more land to the Palestinians because
the Palestinians are animals. And the
way to treat animals is by beating the
crap out of them.
Okay? Do not treat them nicely. They
will
um
they will hate you.
>> So, wait, are you saying that the way to
stop all of the pessimism that we talked
about happening is
by the Clean Break theory succeeding?
>> No. No. No. No. What I said was in 1995,
there was already a theory in place
called neoliberalism that offered a
solution to the Israel-Palestine
issue that has been plaguing the Middle
East for the past few decades. And if
they had followed that through, then we
would live in a very different time.
>> Okay. So, to my question, my question is
and what would have to be the case for
this all the things you've described,
the the the wars and the conflict not to
happen?
>> Right. What would have happened is the
United States had pressured Israel into
seeking peace with the Arab nations.
>> Okay. So,
the US need to get Israel to
be friends with the Arab nations.
>> Yes. You force it because Israel is
really dependent on you for technology,
for financing, for arms. Israel is the
biggest recipient of American
foreign policy
uh aid.
>> So, just for those that want to know
what the Clean Break theory is, it was
it's called A Clean Break: A New
Strategy for Securing the Realm. It
refers to a prominent 1996 policy
documented
um and then prepared for Benjamin
Netanyahu by study group led by American
neo-conservative strategists.
Um did he read this memo?
>> He commissioned it.
>> He commissioned it. Okay. And the key
objectives of the Clean Break are, as
you said, the first one, abandoning land
for peace, which advocated for moving
away from the Oslo Accords framework,
shifting to a posture of peace through
strength and peace for peace without
giving up any territory. Number two,
regional dominance. It recommended
transcending the Israel-Palestine
conflict by focusing on weakening
regional adversaries, specifically
advocating for the containment or
removal of hostile regimes in Iraq and
Syria, and dismantling the
Iraq-Syria-Hezbollah axis. And lastly,
preemptive action. It urged Israel to
abandon defensive containment policies
in favor of proactive offensive
strategies.
>> And that's exactly what Israel is doing
today. This is what Israel has done for
the past 30 years. It has promoted
regime change in Syria and Iraq.
>> And so, the conclusion here is to stop
this sort of conflict escalating,
they have to reverse course with this
strategy.
>> The US needs to contain Israel. Yes.
>> Okay.
>> But what I'm arguing is it's too late,
cuz you you already unleashed the
structural forces that will collapse the
global trade system, in which case it's
every nation for itself.
I mean, you you've already created the
conditions for Japan and China to go to
war. You've already
created conditions for Germany and
Russia to go to war.
It's no longer, you can't put the genie
back back in the bottle again.
>> What does this mean? You know, a lot of
most of us aren't involved in politics,
so um we just kind of watch this stuff
and we have to
sort of figure out what to do with our
our families and our lives
in spite of this sort of craziness that
we see in the news and the global
conflicts and all that stuff. What is
the advice that you have for the average
person?
>> The best advice I can give to the
average person is
believe in God.
So,
I am a product of the meritocracy.
I received the best education in the
world, and I feel
the best education in the world
makes you think the world is
materialistic, God doesn't exist.
And as a result
in my 20s and 30s and 40s, I was a
deeply
angry
depressed
frustrated
person.
Because if God doesn't exist, there's no
order and structure to what's going on.
And it's just complete chaos.
And there can be no hope
or light in chaos.
And because
I married a wonderful woman who I think
is really an angel, because I have like
three
beautiful children,
I do believe there's a plan
and a structure and order and reason to
the world. And I've come in the past
2 years, and it's only it's only been
recent, okay? It's only been in the past
2 years when I have a true belief in
God.
>> So, it's all going to be okay.
>> Yes.
>> Great.
>> Yes. But you need to believe in God and
you need to focus on your family. Then
it will be all right.
>> So, don't focus on protesting in the
streets or elections or any of those
things or
>> If you believe in God
and you focus on your family,
sometimes you're compelled to take
action.
Because I believe in God, I live
a life following one simple principle,
which is speak the truth.
Why am I
on your show? Why did I spend the past
month
um going on so many different podcasts?
Because it's important people know the
truth.
If you really believe in God, if you
really focus on your family, you have a
personal and more responsibility to
speak the truth. If you know what's
going to happen, then speak it. Why you
doing this? What good will it do? It
doesn't matter. It's just like your
faith in God
compels you to live the truth
to and to speak the truth and to spread
the the truth. So, just because you
believe in God doesn't mean, "Okay, now
I believe in God and now I can just sit
back and hide in my room and play
computer games all day." Doesn't mean
that. It means if you truly believe in
God and you believe there's a plan, then
you have to take action
and you have to participate in the world
because why else would God create you?
>> So, why is God letting all of this stuff
happen?
When I look around the world, I see a
lot of wars and conflict, Russia,
Ukraine, the Middle East, lots of other
things breaking out at the moment. Why
would
God let this happen?
>> What is the path to wisdom?
>> Struggle, pain, failure.
>> Yeah.
>> Can we just have the wisdom without
them?
>> Wha- what could you?
>> [laughter]
>> So, we've got a lesson to learn.
>> Well, many lessons to learn.
But if you are truly a spiritual person,
you're thankful for this time
because
this struggle, this suffering will allow
us to transcend ourselves.
Wha- are we here to make a lot of money
and drive fast cars? Are we here to
learn what it means to be truly human?
To learn what love is.
To develop a deeper connection with God.
I mean, I think we're here
first and foremost
to be truly human. That means living a
life of love, empathy, and imagination.
And so, we go back to that formula where
if you have too much wealth, you have
too much fame, you have too much power,
it's impossible for you to truly have
imagination, empathy, and love.
So, how do you correct this? Well, you
create a world of crisis. Because in a
world of crisis,
everyone, you and me, we're forced to
look deep down and ask ourselves,
"What is truly important to me?
What gives me happiness? What is meaning
and purpose in my life?" And I think the
answer is
it's
my love for the people around me.
And that's the answer that we'll we'll
all come to. And once we come to this um
answer, then I think that is the great
spiritual awakening that could possibly
redeem all of humanity.
>> Professor, what's the most um
pertinent thing that's front of mind for
you at the moment that we haven't talked
about?
>> Well, I mean, we did talk about the
coming conflict with between China and
Japan, and I worry a lot about that.
>> What about AI? We didn't talk about
that. And that's kind of overlaid on all
of the stories we talked about because
it's to do with robotics, it's energy,
it's
uh semiconductors, chips, it's US-China.
>> Yeah. So, that's a great question.
Um and so, if we go back and talk about
global supply chains, this formula is
very important to understand. Technology
equals specialization times
globalization. So, in a time when global
supply chains are breaking down,
in time of war,
AI cannot make that leap
into AGI. So, what will happen is
AI will be repurposed as a control grid,
rather than AI developing the
intelligence necessary to reduce
scarcity, to solve
the most pressing medical problems of
humanity, uh to solve climate change, AI
will be re- repurposed to monitor
and surveil all of us.
>> I think that's going to happen
irrespective of
you know,
I think governments are going to be
increasingly interested in and capable
of monitoring all of us all the time.
Cuz we have cameras We're here in New
York City at the moment. There's cameras
everywhere. They're just a little bit
dumb.
They don't really talk to each other.
>> Yep. And
>> With AI, they can all talk to each
other. They see a professor walking down
the street and he's off his way to his
hotel and now he's in a hotel and uh
>> I agree that is the most likely trend.
But what I'm saying is all these crises
will accelerate
this trend. Because let's just say you
have a siege of New York City.
Well, Palantir will use this opportunity
to develop um autonomous drone warfare
that is controlled by AI.
>> So, is that your big concern with AI? Is
it surveillance?
>> That's not the big risk I see. The big
risk I see
is how AI can cheapen
the human experience. How AI is almost
dehumanizing.
Because what people like Elon Musk and
Peter Thiel and Sam Altman are saying is
computers are so much smarter than us.
And
it could be true that AI will eventually
be able to do mathematics, do medical
diagnostics much more efficiently than
we are. But ultimately, we as humans,
we're here to love, imagine, and have
and be kind to other people. And that is
what the human experience is. And if we
focus too much on AI, that diverts and
distracts us from our true mission,
which is one of spiritual growth.
>> Our true mission
is spiritual growth.
What do you um What gives you hope?
>> Well, the only thing that gives me hope
um
um
are are my children.
Right? You met
Chris.
But, I'm here because of Chris.
Honestly, if I didn't have children,
first of all, I don't think I would be
this successful because I wouldn't have
much purpose and meaning in my life.
But, honestly, at the same time, I think
that while children and I were suddenly
this famous,
I would become very corrupted very fast.
I would just focus on the fame. I would
try to make as much money as possible
because while children, the only purpose
in life is competition against others,
right? To prove that I am materially
more successful than other people. And
so, I would just try to to make as much
money as possible for myself
in my 15 minutes of fame. But, now that
I have children, I'm more much more
concerned about building a legacy
for them and setting a good example.
>> Are you worried about Chris's future?
>> I'm not. You know, I'm not at all
worried about his future.
>> Why?
>> Because
my wife and I have loved him to the best
of our ability.
And the fact that we love him gives him
the confidence to live his life to
the fullest. We see every day
Chris as a gift from God.
>> But, if the world is collapsing, in your
words, and Chris is in that world,
>> Yeah.
>> are you not concerned?
>> I'm not at all concerned.
Because we are here
in order to have our spiritual
awakening.
And
all the crises, they will induce deep
reflection
in order for us to fulfill our purpose.
I don't know why Chris is here.
When Chris was 2 years old, he literally
told us,
"Mom, Dad, I'm from another I'm I'm from
another world." And he named that world.
"And I'm just an alien visiting you
guys." And my wife and I, we weren't
surprised. We're like, "We knew this.
Yeah.
We knew you were an alien. We we knew
you came from from another world. And
you we knew that you came here to
experience
humanity for all our faults and all for
and for all our problems. And
we see you. We love you, but we will do
whatever we can to empower you on your
mission. And we're going to try our best
because ultimately, it's your life. It's
your mission. And we cannot ever
control you.
Love is about trust. Love is about
liberation. Liberation from your own
anxieties and liberation from the need
to control others.
>> Fes, we have a closing tradition where
the last guest leaves a question for the
next not knowing who they're leaving it
for. The question left for you is, "What
is your biggest challenge and how are
you working on fixing it?"
>> My biggest challenge
is my fear.
My doubt, my paralysis.
I
went to um US border yesterday.
And now I'm afraid that I will never be
allowed back in the United States after
I I leave. I'm afraid that I might get
banned from a a lot of countries because
all I do is talk trash about different
countries. I've talked trash about
China. I've talked trash about Canada.
I've talked trash about the United
States. If I get banned from all three
countries, I'd be in a lot of trouble.
And so, my constant challenge is to
maintain my faith in God, maintain my
faith in my family, maintain
uh my faith in in my
purpose.
>> I hope you do. You have a wonderful son.
He's so he's so um
curious
is the vibe that I got from him.
>> He's a gift from God.
>> Very very curious. I just met him in the
green room then and he was like uh he's
playing with some Play-Doh and lots of
toys and stuff like that. And
I'm not surprised that he is your son
from the 15 seconds I spent with him.
>> [laughter]
>> Cuz he's very, very curious and clearly
going to be a very smart young man, so
congratulations.
>> Thank you.
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