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Good evening, everybody.

I'm Olivia Colman, and it's my humongous pleasure to say welcome to The Graham

Norton Show!

Good evening, everyone.

You are so welcome to the show.

We've got some great guests for you tonight. I'll be getting them out here

quicker than Richard E. Grant announcing he's a traitor.

What an idiot.

Anyway, singing for us later, look over there, it's the man in the mask, Orville

Peck! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Yeah!

He'll be performing Too Little Too Late. But first, on my sofa tonight... This

Emmy and Golden Globe winning actor and writer shot to fame as Chef Sidney in

the hit series The Bear.

Her latest film is the seductive drama Clarissa. It's a first time welcome to

Iowa Debris.

There she is.

Hello. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

It's so nice to see you. And there you go.

Iowa Debris, everybody.

This song...

Offstage and screen has made a host of characters, from a ruthless seducer in

Dangerous Liaisons to a psychopathic killer in Con Air, and himself in Being

John Malkovich.

Now, he's earning rave reviews for his performance in Martin McDonagh's Wild

Horse Nine.

It is a warm welcome back to the great John Malkovich!

Two stars of the steamy, twisted comedy Wicker.

He is the Swedish superstar who played cutthroat billionaire in Succession and

a vengeance-seeking Viking in The Northman. And she is the Oscar, BAFTA

and Emmy-winning star of The Favourite, Broadchurch, Fleabag and The Crown.

Please welcome Alexander Skarsgård and Olivia Colman!

Welcome to all four of you. Lovely to see you all.

I have to say, it's very rare we have such a fashionable couch.

It's fashion.

Olivia Colman, not just loving fashion, you are now a model.

We saw you at Paris Fashion Week.

How did that happen? They just called Albert of the Blue?

Yeah. I can't believe I did it. I can't believe I said yes. It's very un-me.

But I did think, well, 52, grey hair, fuck it.

Yes! And how nice to be asked. And my teenage me was going, oh, my God, do it!

And did you enjoy it in any way?

I really... It was terrifying.

I also got lost, and... It's just up and down, isn't it? No.

No. So, there's a... You go that way, and then the first turn is to the right,

and then you go round, then there's a second... You're still lost.

And I just thought, I just follow this beautiful woman, Baleo, in front of me,

but her legs...

finished about where my chin is. It just went off like that.

And I was shuffling, because also my shoes were a bit big for me.

Because I'm English, I went, they're great, they're fine, thank you. No, can

I just say, even in the picture, they do look really big.

So my toes are like that.

And I'm going...

Oh, gosh, she's gone! Oh, she's gone!

And then I looked one way, that wasn't her.

And then I went, where do I go? And someone in the audience went... Thank

you. And then... Beautiful draw.

Thanks. That was Miu Miu. You were at the Miu Miu show. And then it continues,

because, Alexander, you were at the Valentino. I did not get to walk the

catwalk, though. But you still worked a look.

And here's the thing. I was looking at this. So that's Anna Wintour. And you

rarely see her smile.

She's guffawing.

I've never seen her bottom teeth before. No.

What's she laughing at? It's just four best friends having a good time.

Casually hanging out.

Beautiful. Cynthia Erivo and Cobalt Domingo. Very good.

Meanwhile, in another part of fashion, Jon and Io, you were together at the

Chanel fashion show. This is nuts.

Oh, we don't have a picture of the two of you.

Everybody imagine this, but another place.

It was just like that.

Without Alexander.

But did you know you were going to be there? Because you know each other,

don't you? Yes.

Yeah. We knew.

Oh, you did know? Oh, nice. We both know each other and we knew. That you were

going to be there. Yeah.

Because last year you did a film together, didn't you? It's true.

Yeah, Opus.

Yes. Why are we being so short with our words? I don't know.

We got really shy all of a sudden.

If you say so, maybe.

Is there a picture?

No, we did. We did the movie together. Oh, there's proof. We have a picture. We

have a picture. So it happened. Now, what is the story about a bet? There was

a bet on this film. There was a bet. Who bet who?

I.O. got nominated for an Emmy and a Golden Globe. Yes.

And we were talking about it. I was asking her about it. She didn't come up

and say... Hello. Hey, Mr Malcolm.

I got nominated for an Emmy and a Golden Globe.

What do you want to say about that?

I was asking her about it, and she was saying... I don't want to say anything

untoward, but she was kind of questioning how to deal with her

parents.

If her parents could come, am I right? Yeah. Could come to the Emmys, but she

was going to draw the line at the Golden Globes. I love my parents, to be clear.

To camera, I love my parents. We're good, we're good. But they're a lot. I

mean, if you have parents, they're a lot, and they've proven themselves to be

a lot.

For a while. For almost 30 years.

And I wasn't sure if I could, like... deal with it so i wasn't sure if i was

going to bring them and john said you are going to bring them they will be

there and and also you were like and i'll bet you you'll win yeah and i was

like okay well i i bet you that not none of that will happen yeah 10 bucks i said

you'll collapse you'll let him come to the golden globes and you have to pay me

Ten bucks. And some months later, in Greece, I was in Greece, I got a kind of

envelope with the facts in it with $10.

And it said, I don't want to talk about it.

And here we are. You don't have to give him $10 back.

Was it as horrible as you imagined the experience of being a woman? It wasn't

as horrible as I imagined, but really, my father became...

good close personal friends with every single white male character actor above

the age of 50.

There's photos of him with Tony Shalhoub, with Henry Winkler... Mickey

Rourke. He was taking the tour.

And they were as well, yeah.

Yeah, what does that mean? Hard to say.

Right, let's get started. Olivia Colvin and Alexander Skarsgard bring us a

romantic fantasy. It's called Wicker and it's in cinemas from the 30th of

October.

So, no confusion, this has nothing to do with Wicker Man, which you thought that,

and I thought it must be... When I was sent the script, I was like, oh, Wicker

Man, a horror movie, this is going to be scary, and then I started reading, and I

was like, oh, it's a comedy, and they're having a lot of sex.

You've sold it right there. Yeah.

Totally quite different. We're in, yeah.

So, Olivia, it's based on a short story, so tell us about these characters and

the world they inhabit.

So... You love this bit, I know. Yeah, thank you. I did check on the way over.

Oh, did you? Yeah, yeah. The plot. Yeah.

We had previous where I forget to check what I'm here for.

So,

I played the fisherwoman and Alex is the...

Wicker husband and in the village And

in the village so all of the women

have the names of their husbands careers so there's the tailors wife who is the

glorious Elizabeth Debicki and Bottle washers wife and Baker's wife and

anyway, so you get the idea Yeah, I am Fisher woman because I'm on my own my

own career. I have my own agency she's mocked by everybody because she's She's

got one leg shorter than the other, she smells bad and she has a monobrow.

And everyone just takes the piss out of her and she has had enough.

And so she goes to Peter Dinklage, who is the basket weaver, and says, I'd like

a husband, please.

And he goes, OK.

And then, in a month's time, I turn up and I think, this is going to be fun,

I'm going to really, you know, just two fingers up to the village, but you turn

up at the church and this guy... is in Wicca, and she goes, wow.

And then they proceed to have a really lovely, it's a magical sort of universe,

and they have a wonderful, sexy time, and they fall in love. Yeah.

And it's kind of, I guess it's a kind of critique of traditional marriage, but

also it's a kind of hymn to what a lovely relationship can be. Yes,

exactly. Exactly right.

Say that next time.

You can have that. Can you join us on the press tour?

Are you free the next month? I thought it was really strong.

Listen, let's watch a clip. This is the two of you getting to know each other.

Without you, I would never have seen the sun on the ocean.

Or the clouds in the sky.

The chimney needs cleaning.

And the fire could do with being late.

Oh, no, I'll mind the fire, of course.

My timber knight.

My withy ox.

My... Soft-bodied female animal

And

Watching it. I just I

just assumed you were probably just there in a green suit, but it's real

Yeah, you see you are actually covered in wicker. Yeah

It seems impossible, because your shoulder blades move and everything. Was

part of it, like, puppetry or mechanic?

I saw it. It's so good. It's really good, for real.

Was part of it, like, puppetry? There's one part, and I'm going to watch my

tongue here, because I don't want to give it away.

There's something in the ending that is puppeteered.

But it was... It's called the penis.

That's a spoiler!

Sorry, I haven't said it.

It's very finely woven. Very finely woven.

Publisher... Sorry.

We've got a clip. This is Alexander on set and it looks difficult. I think

you're trying to have your lunch.

Enjoy your lunch, guys.

Like, it's nuts. It's so close around your eyes and everything.

Yeah. And that's the mask that's down.

Just to not get pasta on your... To not... Yeah, so, the suit was made by

Weta Workshop from New Zealand, who... They made this Lord of the Rings.

Oh, yeah. I've heard of that. Are you familiar with those movies?

Lord of the what?

Lord of the what?

So they have a little bit of experience.

And they responded to the script and wanted to do this movie, even though our

budget was slightly below Lord of the Rings.

But they worked on it for 18 months, a whole team of artists in New Zealand

creating this amazing suit. And Sarah and Joe, two of them, came and applied

it every morning and took it off and were very sweet. So at lunch, they gave

me this little bib to cover my flax beard, peeled off my lips.

and then I could have a lovely lunch.

Yeah, it looked delicious.

There's me with a great big sandwich.

Oh, Alex. Most days, I went for liquid lunch with a straw, because it was

easier than that. We saw a hint of it there. There's quite a lot of vigorous

lovemaking. You enjoy your new husband.

Yes, but no splinters.

No!

There's some smoke, but... We should say, Olivia, you're a

producer of this, you and your husband Ed.

Yes. You produced it.

It's all weird kink that he has.

Ed was watching.

Sorry.

Let's make a sequel, let's make a sequel, Adam.

Was he on set?

As much as he could be. I was like, shouldn't you be producing and doing

this stuff?

You should put your hand there, right, probably?

That's what your husband sounds like, right?

And after takes and things, would he discuss things with you? Would he give

you notes?

Absolutely not.

No, we've learnt very early on, he is not allowed to give me acting notes.

That goes down like a cup of cold sick.

LAUGHTER Once done, never again. Yeah, he tried one. OK, yeah, it was not

appreciated. He gave me love-making notes, so... She likes it when you do

that.

Thanks, Ed, thanks.

You're welcome.

Can I...? Jon has a question.

What was the note that provoked you?

Well, it was in the early days, actually, when auditioning, and I said,

can you just record me for this? You have to audition and send tapes in.

And he recorded it, and then he went, I was just wondering if you should... I

said, don't you fucking dare.

LAUGHTER That's it. That's it. I mean, I'm not really feeling it.

Just back to Wicker, I just wonder, it's such a beautifully designed film and

everything, did you walk away with loads of, kind of, baskets and beautiful

things?

No, I don't see it. It's full of baskets.

It is. Yeah.

Well, there are some maid's eggs, which are the little things that shake.

I've got one of those on my desk.

Are they a real thing? Are they traditional?

No. Oh, OK. It's pretend.

Send me the penis when it comes.

So,

you got an egg. Did you get anything?

I did, yeah. I... So, this suit was, like I said, exquisite.

And the best part of the whole suit were the nipples. They were extraordinary.

It's the craftsmanship. You saw them, you felt them, you squeezed them. There

was a debate about the nipples.

And every day when I was wearing them, putting them on, you screw them on,

I was thinking of you, Graham.

Were you?

For some, I don't know, very, very bizarre reason. And I have them here

today, and I want to give them to you. No!

I have my nipples here.

Oh, my God! Are you serious?

Oh, my God.

It's like a proposal.

And it says on the Bob's Weta Workshop, the legendary Weta Workshop, they've

made these. No, seriously, are these really for me?

Yeah, they are. I'm taking them. Thank you so much.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you. Oh.

Oh!

They're... They're stiff. I've just got to show them to the camera.

I won't say what they look like.

Oh, sure.

Well... Sure.

They're beautiful.

Thank you. Thank you. No, I could make them earrings. Oh, no, I touched them.

They're lovely.

I'll help you. After the show, I'll help you apply them. Are they the ones you

actually use? Yeah, yeah.

That's amazing. Oh, and they've got little studs and things. Yeah.

You can put them on your shirt now.

No, not now. No, no.

No, OK. No.

Thank you very much. That's absolutely gorgeous.

Wicker, it hits cinemas in two weeks. Olivia and Alexander, everybody.

Very good. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Now...

Jon Malkovich brings us Martin McDonagh's latest film. It's a really

funny black comedy. It's called Wild...

Horse Nine.

It's in cinemas on the 4th of November.

I've seen it. It's so good. Have you seen it? I've seen it, yeah. It's great,

isn't it? It's amazing.

And he's so good in it.

Amazing in it. Yeah. We've said the important stuff now. You're really good

in it. And this is from Martin McDonagh, who did In Bruges and Banshees of Minas

Gerais and Three Billboards and Things.

So, tell us about it. It's set in the 70s and it is based loosely on some real

events. Yes.

First, I want to say I just saw the poster and I'm wearing a hat like this,

but not because I wear a hat like this in the movie, but because I knocked a

hole in my head in Mexico City, so I'm kind of covering it up so you don't have

to look at it. Now... You knocked a hole in your head. Showing your brain to

them. We don't have to look at it any more.

So it's loosely based on real events?

Yes. It has two kind of bookend parts.

One is the assassination of John F Kennedy, the American president, on

November 2nd, 1963.

And the other is the coup against the democratically, as they say, elected

leader of...

Chile, Salvador Allende, on September 11, 1973.

So, that's when the American CIA, among others, supported a coup against

Salvador Allende, which ended in his death.

So, Martin McDonough wrote this film about two CIA guys

who go to Chile to destabilize their democracy.

So I think that's the scene we're looking at. Oh, yes. Why don't we look

at the clip and then we'll talk some more.

This is you at San Marco in the airport in Chile.

You're on your way to Easter Island.

We'll talk some more about that in a minute. And you are being a little loose

-lipped.

Girls, can I ask you something?

How do you like your new president?

Your new left-wing president?

What did I say about before, Chris? Yes, we like him.

Everybody likes him. Not everybody.

That wouldn't be true.

Well, enjoy him while you can, ladies.

And what's that supposed to mean, enjoy him while you can?

I'm not saying nothing. I'm just saying enjoy him while you can, that's all.

And who the fuck are you, the CIA?

We are the CIA, actually. We're totally the CIA. We're not the CIA, obviously.

We're not the CIA. Yes, we are, I swear. He's just being shy. We came down here

to destabilize your democracy, and it is going great.

So we decided to take a little side trip to Easter Island and see the big heads.

How about we board the fucking airplane, Chris?

The girls don't believe me about destabilizing their democracy thing.

Of course they don't, because it isn't true.

Your country's gonna get fucked.

Your country's gonna be absolutely fine.

I was talking to you earlier about, so your character wants to go to Easter

Island, and Easter Island is a place that we haven't really seen on film

before? I think there was one film many years ago, I think it was Little Lucene,

but

It's very rarely seen. Yeah. The heads, they have the giant heads there, and

they're quite iconic and often seen in photographs, etc.

But almost no shooting is done there.

And the wild horse of the title, I mean, are the wild horses...? They just run

around everywhere.

They are? Wild horses, wild cows, wild dogs, yeah. And how long are you there

for? About two and a half months.

Wow. I can't imagine many people have stayed on East Ryder for two and a half

months. No. Are there any restaurants?

There are a couple, yeah. I mean, sort of depends how one defines restaurants.

But there are a couple and the people are very nice and we stayed in a very

nice hotel and lovely people and it was no problem.

You know, Martin is a great writer, Martin McDonagh, and...

great writing kind of demands a lot of work a certain level of work which

actors all of us like to do doesn't happen much because most of the things

you read are quite quite a distance from great but when it is then

you want to work yeah and so mostly we just worked all the time there

thankfully because there isn't a whole lot to do there. You and Sam Rockwell

are great, and it's great to see you reunited with Steve Buscemi, who we all

remember the two of you together in Con Air. One of the great art films of all

time.

So, Con Air, it is... It's one of your most famous movies.

It's throbbing with action and adrenaline.

Yeah, that's it, go. Yeah.

I might have said that. Cyrus the Virus.

Absolutely. Cyrus the Virus. Oh, wow.

Did you have fun making it?

Great fun, because our theatre is Steppenwolf, which is how I spent many,

many years, just doing that.

was very female-oriented, although our plays were supposed to be very macho and

very violent.

I think referring to the women in our theater more than the men.

Anyway, so I'd never been around a kind of group of men like that,

and some of them are convicts.

Some of them were the lightweight boxing champions of...

San Quentin Prison.

Some of them were professional football players, professional hockey

enforcers.

So it was really like I'd never done something with a group of people

that you wouldn't let outside of your... They could be in your yard, in theory,

but not really in your house.

So... it was just for me it was hilarious i loved it and that

scene i believe is from this scene where we had a big safety meeting and

uh andy samberg the american actor and comedian who spent years at saturday

night live and did great music videos such as jizzed in my pants

He did one... Seminal.

Very touchy. Yeah.

You had me jizzed. Yeah, and Dick in a Box, of course, we shouldn't forget

also.

He did one called Cool Guys Don't Look at Explosions, which featured this

explosion in Con Air. Oh, there you are.

Yeah. And see, you can't look back. They can look back because they're not cool.

But I can't look back. You can't. Yeah.

But as we were setting up, the safety guy goes through all these things and he

basically says, OK, so what's going to happen is at eight seconds, you have to

be X number of metres away from your starting point. At 20 seconds, you have

to be X number of metres away. And it went on up to kind of 40, 50 seconds.

And, you know...

That's kind of a lot of counting for some people in that cast And

to prove the point and I'm

not nobody calls me for like with algebra questions I Flung to

two years of algebra the teacher called me up said I was in school with your

parents. They're both very bright What happened to you?

So anyway, he says, we have to do this and we have to have somebody to count

out the number of feet and the number of seconds. So they have to kind of put

those two ideas together.

So everybody in that group appointed me, which is like, that's not

a good idea.

But then when I looked around, I thought, yeah, I probably am the only

one who has a chance of counting that high.

I mean, I don't say I could do it readily, but it's possible.

And the bottom line, nobody died. Nobody died. Nobody died. So it's all good.

Very quickly, we've got to mention another movie you're in. It's out right

now. It's called The Yellow Tie.

Yes. Yeah. There was a very famous conductor, Romanian conductor,

incredible presence, called Sergiu Celebidache.

And he was a fantastic conductor who had a very fascinating life, most especially

because he refused to let his concerts be recorded.

A beautiful performance by that young man at the bottom called Ben

Schnetzer. And I play him when he's a...

you know, view as schnock or geezer. A little older. Yeah.

That is in cinemas now.

And don't forget, you can see John in Wild Horse Nine from the 4th of

November. John Malkovich, everybody!

All right.

Iowa Debris is up. Her new film is Clarissa. It's a beautiful adaptation of

the Virginia Woolf novel Mrs Dalloway. I mean, it's more than an adaptation,

really, isn't it?

Yeah, I feel like Livia now.

I'm like, yes, it is. I was in the movie. And the movie has a plot. No,

yeah, it is an adaptation, but also an amazing undertaking by

these two brothers, Chuka and Arya Siri.

And it sets the novel or reimagines it in Nigeria, moving between

present day, where the Mrs. Dalek character, Clarissa, is played by

Sophie. who is, like, unbelievable in it. Yeah, her with David Oyelowo, who's

also famous. Just brilliant in it.

And then the past, which takes place in the 90s after the Civil War

in Delta State, where, if you're familiar with Nigerian history in that

region, there's a lot of really...

naughty, complicated stuff geopolitically.

And so, yeah, it puts us there, and there we are. It has a gorgeous energy.

We've got a clip.

This is you as young Sally, Clarissa's friend, and you're speaking your mind.

I... I just find the whole thing ridiculous.

I don't know.

What about children?

What about them? You know, you don't have to be married to have children.

But what exactly don't you like about it?

Um, I don't know. I'm not particularly interested in the idea of belonging to

someone. That's a bleak way of looking at it.

Is it? Yeah. I don't know. The moment that you lose your name, you die.

I'll have a day off.

No, I won't. It's different for us. One day, you just wake up and you're Mrs.

Whatever or Mama Tosi.

And that's it. The person who you were before is completely gone.

She's dead. It's actually quite violent if you think about it.

Think being the operative word.

Ooh.

Yes?

Are you complimenting her on her accent? Great accent.

A very good accent, wasn't it? Yeah. Have you done the full English before?

I did a sort of semi-English.

My friend Rachel Sennett has a show on HBO called I Love LA, and I also play...

I don't know, there's some reason when I play British, I go really... This is

like post-Watershed, right?

You can swear?

Yeah. I get really, like, bitchy when I go British for some reason. I don't know

why. People are hoping for more than bitchy. Sorry.

They were like, post-Watershed? What's she going to say?

Yeah,

but so that one was kind of like a weird psycho like she's a real fashion freak

and... This is in Isle of L.A. This is in Isle of L.A., sorry.

We experienced something different from that clip.

Yeah, and then this... Nikki Amuka Byrd, amazing actress, plays the older version

of Sally, and so it's sort of an amalgamation of her and then what the

brothers sound like to me, and also their sister, who was really amazing and

sent me... They wrote out paragraphs of just random text and she would send me

voice notes being like... Yeah.

Hello, I'm here today at the grocery store.

And he'd be like... I would just be listening to that in between takes and

I'm, like, running back and forth, yeah. But, of course, you have spent time

here, because you've just finished... Yes. Have you just finished filming

Prodigy? No, a bit ago, but I did. We finished filming together.

Because, John, this is a new show on Apple TV, it's called Prodigies, with

the lovely Will Sharp.

Yes. And John's in it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Who do you play, John?

I play his father.

Will Sharpe wrote this show. Yeah, he did.

So, it's such a great premise. Yeah. Tell us the... It's really fun. We play

these two former child geniuses who then, in our adulthood, I think, find

ourselves... faced with a lot of the expectation that we had when we were

younger that maybe we didn't necessarily live up to in different ways.

And we've been together since we were really young.

Like in a relationship? In a relationship. Romantic relationship.

Yes, yes. Like we were those kind of kids who were like, we're 12, we're

married. And then we're sort of like, okay, and now we're 32.

And are we married?

And yeah. And then we're sort of like, do we want to do this? Do we not?

And it's very fun. And there's a really great cast, including John.

And lots of great British people, including Olivia.

Why in it? No, you're not in it. All right.

You thought for a second. I also thought for a second.

Including Graham Norton, including Olivia.

Including all of you.

No one read the script.

That will be on Apple TV from the 10th of February. Yeah. But, of course, I'm

letting you leave without mentioning the bear. Oh, sure.

So, it's done, the bear. It's done. The bear is over.

Over. They started to whoop and then they got really... They were going

like... Yeah, it's over.

Do you think it would ever come back?

You know, the way, like...

Do you think there'll be a reunion or...? Yeah, who knows?

No. No.

Big no.

But it's nice. We had a really nice run and I think we got to go out, like, in a

way that makes us all really happy. And life-changing for you.

Um, actually, I was like, no, not really. No? No? No, yeah, completely,

obviously. Yeah, yeah. Completely life-changing, and I got to work with,

like, the best people ever, and work with people, for example, like Olivia,

who that just would have never... Olivia really was in it. She really was!

There she is! There's a photo.

Yes?

Who did you play, Olivia?

Chef Terry.

Chef Terry! Chef Terry.

Chef Terry.

I got you.

I wasn't on that show, was I?

No Tell

me

this you took it very seriously you properly learned how to cook, right? I

mean, I hope so. I think so. I think I tried to do that Yeah, but are you

cooked at home for your friends?

Friends you went to culinary school like shadowed. Yeah, we shot out a bunch of

chefs I shot out a lot of female chefs specifically I think that's a good skill

It's the best skill to learn. And also it's an amazing skill because we go into

restaurants and people are like, you're one of us, you know? And I'm like, yeah,

can I bring in five friends?

So ideally, the next show I do will be about an air fryer factory.

But yeah, it was a fun skill. It was helpful. Did Chef Terry learn how to do

things?

Yes.

Yes. She's still lying about not being in it.

Oh, no, actually, yes.

So, in the script, I was meant to be cutting swirls on top of a mushroom.

Oh, yes. And I did actually have a go.

Really hard.

It sounds hard. Yeah. And then I got there and they said, it was probably too

hard, so we're just going to get you peeling mushrooms.

That was it?

Yeah. Because you don't really prepare, prepare.

You don't, like... Well, this does make me sound bad, but... No, it doesn't.

Thanks.

John Malkovich said it's fine. Yeah.

I do think... If it's in the script and the script is good, I feel like it's...

It's there. Obviously, if I had to ride a horse, I'd learn to ride a horse.

Obviously. You know, you don't want to sit on a horse the wrong way round.

It would take audiences out of it. Yeah.

Fantastic performance.

For some reason, she was hugging the horse from underneath.

So, if it requires preparation, I'll obviously do it. Of course.

Alexander, I imagine you are a prepper. You like going deep.

Do you?

Puppeteering. No,

I was just going to say, when you're talking about preparation, like, for

instance, you would learn how to ride a horse or a wicker penis.

The wicker penis is really staged with Jock.

Next time you're both on, you know what to bring. And the nipples. I gave you

the nipples, so I'm going to give Jock the penis.

Wear it as a necklace.

It would look really good. But do you like learning things?

Not really.

I feel like I know everything already.

So I don't feel the need to.

No, but seriously, I'm also inherently lazy. So if I can have someone else do

it for me, then I'll...

I'll be in my trailer drinking a cappuccino. And, John, your first big

movie, you were Oscar-nominated for Places in the Heart.

Am I right that you didn't really... Because they wanted you to prepare a lot

for that, right? Mm-hm. Because you were playing blind man.

Yes. They sent me every day to the lighthouse for the blind.

We were shooting in Texas, not so far from Dallas, Texas.

And I did go there once, and the...

I mean, the people are blind, so it's like there's not much you can do.

No way.

What I mean is, like, what are you going to do?

And... What did they want you to do? Learn how to do braille?

Well, that was one thing.

No, but... Wait.

Do you know what I mean?

I know what you're trying to say, Tom. Yes. OK.

But I'm not doing it.

So... So, I said, just call them.

I don't know who I meant by them.

But I just said, just call them and see if you, like, read it from up to down or

left to right or right to left, and then you go like this and, you know, do it

like that. Yeah. Because that's how I kind of did everything in my whole life.

But then, wait, plot... plot twist, you did learn a skill for places in the

heart. Yeah.

But that, as Olivia said, practical things outside of... We won't talk about

it anymore.

Practical things, this character caned chairs for... to make

his way in the world. So I learned how to do that.

And when my grandmother went with my mother to see it at the cinema 100 miles

away, as they were driving back home, they'd gotten to kind of mile 80, and my

grandmother said, well, I saw him start caning a chair, but I never saw him

finish one.

LAUGHTER So, uh, didn't, you know... And could you have made the wicker man? I

was just thinking the same thing.

You go to travel and you get home.

I think I could have made some props for it.

I smell a sequel.

Call your husband.

Call your husband up.

But was it really wicker?

You're getting to work tonight. You're getting to work tonight.

Because it looks like leather.

It was proper wicker, yeah. Yeah.

But that wasn't, like, scratchy. So you know this craft. You know how to do

this. I did.

You'll be taking it up again shortly, I imagine.

Right, it is time for music. This country singer-songwriter has

collaborated with some of the industry's biggest names, including Shania Twain,

Kylie and Elton John. Here performing Too Little, Too Late from his latest

album, Mule, it is Orville Peck!

Bet we've been down this road before. It's easy when I'm at your door. You

want me hanging around.

You hate when I complain.

You're back again. You want to go. Yeah, love songs on your radio. Those records

are all burned out anyway.

I'm not tired. I'm always up. You don't even have to ask.

To save your breath, you'll need it, dear. It's cold out on that limb out

here. Ain't it funny how much you see when you stop moving fast?

They say good things come to those who wait

to meet up today.

There's no need to wish that you were mine.

Not alone, and honey, I feel fine.

Can't lay, won't stay up late and cry.

Nothing on my hands, baby, but time.

They say, good things come to those who wait.

Too little,

too little, too little, too late. Little too late, little too late, up too little

too late. Good things go.

Little too late, ah too little too late Little too late, ah too little too late

Good things gone away Little too late, ah too little too late

Little too late, ah too little too late Good things gone away

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for that performance. Of course, though, yeah.

If people aren't familiar with you, Orville, we should say the mask stays

on, right? It stays on, always, yeah. OK. And is it a kind of a Sia, I don't

want to be Sian, or is it more to it?

It's sort of... I mean, I didn't start with it being something, like,

anonymous. I just... I grew up loving country and I looked at the landscape of

country music when I started, like, ten years ago and...

I just thought that there was so little creativity going on in terms of

something theatrical to add to, you know, like the storytelling and the

authenticity. So I wanted that crossroads of like, you know, very

vulnerable, authentic songwriting, but something like, you know, artistic

combined with that. Oh, wow.

Well, it's working for you, I tell you. Thank you.

Listen, maybe we should say that song is from the album Mule, which is currently

the number one album in the country charts right now.

So, talk to us about the title. I imagine it was about, like, stubborn

Azza, but it's not that.

Sure, there's part maybe that. Like, I always name my albums horse-related

things. I'm like a horse girl, kind of, you know?

And so, this one was... Well, it's a chronological...

Timeline order of songs of the year. I got sober 2023 I went to rehab and lost

my mind for a while and so I was thinking of what horse might represent

that and so a mule felt right because it's like Stubborn, it's kind of a cross

between a horse and a donkey.

It's trapped in its own way And it also has an you know an affiliation with drug

trafficking which kind of made sense for the content.

Okay I forgot that mules are famously druggy. Yeah famously druggy. Yeah. Yeah

together and so it is this the first album you've done like this where it's a

kind of a linear story yeah yeah for sure it was um I don't know it was just

like a crazy year for me a lot changed and I just wanted to kind of if people

wanted to listen to it in that way I wanted them to kind of go on the journey

like that

And Orville, not just a new album, Orville Beck's in a movie.

Yes, he is. It's true, yeah.

You're in Street Fighter.

I am. Yeah, you are one of the Street Fighters. I love Kitau. Yeah. Yeah,

there he is. There I am. Still got a mask. Exactly, that was real.

There's a real connection.

Oh, okay. My friend Kitau Sakurai directed the movie. He's the best.

Amazing, amazing person.

So cool.

Dinner reservation for Were you a boxer I Was

a boxer at one point. Yeah. Why do you ask? Well, I mean, I know a lot about

your I mean But

I know I did I did box, you know, like I mean

not In a serious way, but I I did learn martial arts for for street fighter I

got to train for like six months and it was while I was doing broadway I was the

emcee and cabaret on broadway at the same time. And so I was doing Like 16

hour days train like it was insane, but it was so much fun Well, listen, it's so

nice to have you on the show. Lovely to meet you. Good luck with the album Thank

you for that performance Orville peck everybody

Right, that is nearly it. Just time for a quick visit to the big red chair. Who

do we have? Hello.

Hi. You look flippin'. OK.

What's your name? Holly. Holly, lovely.

And where are you from, Holly? Sweden, actually. Oh, my goodness.

Hey, does your story involve anyone on the couch? Yes, it does.

Oh!

Start talking, Holly.

So, this story involves me as a baby and my mum, Alexander, and his childhood

friend, Linda Adetegg.

So, we were... Am I your father?

We were in Linda's apartment in Gothenburg like 25 years ago and my mom

was holding me and she was desperate for a pee but you were in the shower taking

up all the time and then when you came out she ran in just handed me to you

when you just had a towel around your waist and you just bare chested straight

out of the shower. So yeah, you've held me as a baby.

I breastfed her with my wicker nipples.

That's a wicker between your teeth. And that is really all we've got time for.

Please say a huge thank you to all of our guests. Orville Peck!

She's a guest sway, the actor Gemma Chan, comedian and talk show host Ellen

DeGeneres, Irish star Colin Farrell, and Oscar-winning filmmaker Quentin

Tarantino. I'll see you then. Good night, everybody. Bye-bye.

It's been quite the ride so far. Watch unmissable celebrity traitor shenanigans

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