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Ohhh! 8 00:01:07,430 --> 00:01:08,624 Oh! 9 00:01:20,877 --> 00:01:24,142 Would you please welcome from Canada, Rush! 10 00:01:57,881 --> 00:01:59,906 # There's no bread, let them eat cake # 11 00:02:00,016 --> 00:02:02,177 # And there's no end to what they'll take # 12 00:02:02,285 --> 00:02:04,310 # Flaunt the fruits of noble birth # 13 00:02:04,421 --> 00:02:06,912 # And wash the salt into the earth # 14 00:02:07,624 --> 00:02:11,116 # But they're marching to Bastille Day # 15 00:02:11,228 --> 00:02:14,163 # La guillotine claimed her bloody prize # 16 00:02:14,264 --> 00:02:16,323 If you get a band together, growing up, 17 00:02:16,433 --> 00:02:17,798 you didn't think about writing your own music, 18 00:02:17,901 --> 00:02:20,096 you learned other songs and you identified yourself 19 00:02:20,203 --> 00:02:21,670 by the kind of music you played 20 00:02:21,771 --> 00:02:26,140 and all the best players quickly learned the language was Rush. 21 00:02:49,466 --> 00:02:52,458 The first time I heard Rush, I was like, "Oh, my God," 22 00:02:52,569 --> 00:02:55,970 I had no idea this band was this incredible. 23 00:02:56,072 --> 00:02:58,472 I became obsessed. They were my gods. 24 00:02:58,575 --> 00:03:01,908 I listened to it and I thought, "Wow! That is amazing playing." 25 00:03:02,012 --> 00:03:04,480 My mind was just totally blown. 26 00:03:04,581 --> 00:03:08,244 I bought every magazine, I had every record, I cut out every picture, 27 00:03:08,351 --> 00:03:11,252 I would go to sleep at night with Rush on the heads, 28 00:03:11,354 --> 00:03:13,914 I'd wake up and it was still playing. I did that. 29 00:03:14,024 --> 00:03:15,514 I, Sebastian Bach, 30 00:03:15,625 --> 00:03:18,025 was member number three 31 00:03:18,128 --> 00:03:21,757 of the Rush backstage club at Toronto, mother trucker. 32 00:03:21,865 --> 00:03:23,594 Rush is just one of those bands 33 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:27,466 that has a deep reservoir of rocket sauce. 34 00:03:27,570 --> 00:03:30,266 A lot of bands, they've only got so much in the bottle. 35 00:03:30,373 --> 00:03:32,341 They use it up sometimes in one song. 36 00:03:32,442 --> 00:03:33,966 These guys were the real deal. 37 00:03:34,077 --> 00:03:36,637 Their bottle was so big and so filled to the brim, 38 00:03:36,746 --> 00:03:39,146 they were shaking it literally for decades 39 00:03:39,249 --> 00:03:41,274 and still there was sauce coming out. 40 00:03:48,191 --> 00:03:50,523 What makes Rush unique is fearlessness. 41 00:03:50,627 --> 00:03:53,061 It's the quality of starting to write a song 42 00:03:53,163 --> 00:03:55,188 and not caring about what's popular, what's not. 43 00:03:55,298 --> 00:04:00,702 There's only one band that sounds like that. What kind of band is Rush? It's Rush. 44 00:04:00,804 --> 00:04:02,431 I believe that when people step back 45 00:04:02,539 --> 00:04:04,006 and actually really look 46 00:04:04,107 --> 00:04:05,699 at who the great bands were, 47 00:04:05,809 --> 00:04:07,106 they are one of those bands 48 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:09,440 but somehow they were never popular enough 49 00:04:09,546 --> 00:04:13,004 that they get commonly name-checked as one of the great bands of all time. 50 00:04:13,116 --> 00:04:15,880 A lot of the other stuff has been over-explained. 51 00:04:15,985 --> 00:04:19,853 Zeppelin has been over-explained, the Beatles have been over-explained, 52 00:04:19,956 --> 00:04:22,424 it doesn't tell the whole story, and you could say, 53 00:04:22,525 --> 00:04:24,789 "Why was this band marginalized. What was it?" It doesn't matter. 54 00:04:24,894 --> 00:04:29,627 At some point they're there and somebody has to explain why they're there. 55 00:04:51,921 --> 00:04:54,685 # Living on a lighted stage # 56 00:04:54,791 --> 00:04:57,225 # Approaches the unreal # 57 00:04:57,327 --> 00:05:00,125 # For those who think and feel # 58 00:05:00,230 --> 00:05:03,256 # In touch with some reality # 59 00:05:03,366 --> 00:05:06,199 # Beyond the gilded cage # 60 00:05:12,342 --> 00:05:15,277 # Cast in this unlikely role # 61 00:05:15,378 --> 00:05:17,778 # Ill-equipped to act # 62 00:05:17,881 --> 00:05:20,714 # With insufficient tact # 63 00:05:21,351 --> 00:05:23,615 # One must put up barriers # 64 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,847 # To keep oneself intact # 65 00:05:29,225 --> 00:05:31,955 # Living in the limelight # 66 00:05:32,061 --> 00:05:34,723 # The universal dream # 67 00:05:34,831 --> 00:05:36,958 # For those who wish to seem # 68 00:05:37,066 --> 00:05:40,126 I guess we should start at the beginning and talk about your upbringing, 69 00:05:40,236 --> 00:05:42,500 where you were born and what your childhood was like. 70 00:05:42,605 --> 00:05:44,766 OK, how do I start my beginnings? 71 00:05:44,874 --> 00:05:49,777 I was born in Willowdale, Ontario. I was a nebbishy, quiet kid. 72 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:52,074 My parents were both Holocaust survivors 73 00:05:52,182 --> 00:05:54,980 and emigrated here after the war. 74 00:05:55,084 --> 00:05:57,814 They basically arrived with ten bucks in their pocket 75 00:05:57,921 --> 00:06:01,687 and worked their way up to a lower-middle-class kind of income 76 00:06:01,791 --> 00:06:03,554 and raised me in the suburbs. 77 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:05,059 When we first moved in, 78 00:06:05,161 --> 00:06:09,029 we were one of the few Jewish families to live in our neighborhood 79 00:06:09,132 --> 00:06:13,466 and we were constantly living in terror of being beat up because of that fact, 80 00:06:13,570 --> 00:06:15,538 so it was an exciting time. 81 00:06:16,739 --> 00:06:19,367 When I was twelve, my father passed away 82 00:06:19,476 --> 00:06:23,435 and I had to go to synagogue in the morning and in the evening 83 00:06:23,546 --> 00:06:25,844 every day for eleven months and one day. 84 00:06:25,949 --> 00:06:29,316 I was not really allowed to listen to music. 85 00:06:29,419 --> 00:06:31,614 So that whole year was devoid 86 00:06:31,721 --> 00:06:35,748 of what all the other kids were just starting to get turned on to. 87 00:06:35,859 --> 00:06:38,259 After the year, he really came out 88 00:06:38,361 --> 00:06:40,090 and he was himself. 89 00:06:40,196 --> 00:06:43,427 I said to Gedd, "Mom wants to buy you a nice present, 90 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:45,728 "you're such a good, hard-working kid." 91 00:06:45,835 --> 00:06:49,771 He says, "Mom, next door Terry has a guitar." 92 00:06:49,873 --> 00:06:55,675 As we drove into the drive I said, "Here's $50, go to Terry, get your guitar." 93 00:06:55,778 --> 00:06:58,713 And then Alex entered my life in junior high school. 94 00:06:58,815 --> 00:07:00,783 We liked the same kind of bands 95 00:07:00,884 --> 00:07:04,581 but I think we bonded more over our goofiness than over music. 96 00:07:06,723 --> 00:07:09,487 My earliest memory of you is your paisley shirt. 97 00:07:09,592 --> 00:07:11,560 - Your purple paisley shirt. - Yeah. 98 00:07:11,661 --> 00:07:15,791 It was purple. Burgundy, God... 99 00:07:15,899 --> 00:07:17,264 ...corduroys. 100 00:07:17,367 --> 00:07:19,835 I was born in Fernie in British Columbia. 101 00:07:19,936 --> 00:07:23,428 My parents came over after the war from Yugoslavia. 102 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:26,941 We moved to Toronto and I would say it was a very normal upbringing. 103 00:07:27,043 --> 00:07:29,978 My father usually had two or three jobs at any given time 104 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:32,104 and he believed that if you wanted something, 105 00:07:32,215 --> 00:07:34,240 you went out and you worked for it. Period. 106 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:37,786 This is when Alex was a youngster 107 00:07:37,887 --> 00:07:40,788 and this is when he was a Navy League cadet. 108 00:07:40,890 --> 00:07:44,087 He was such a cutie. 109 00:07:44,193 --> 00:07:45,626 One day he came and he said, 110 00:07:45,728 --> 00:07:48,219 "Mom, Dad, if I bring you a good report card, 111 00:07:48,331 --> 00:07:51,164 "will you buy me a guitar?" 112 00:07:51,267 --> 00:07:55,465 And, you know, he brought a very good report card 113 00:07:55,572 --> 00:07:58,200 and we promised, and we didn't even have money, 114 00:07:58,308 --> 00:08:00,970 we just borrowed the money and bought him a guitar. 115 00:08:01,077 --> 00:08:04,137 I would come home after school and play until dinner 116 00:08:04,247 --> 00:08:06,408 and then, supposed to do my homework, 117 00:08:06,516 --> 00:08:10,452 I just played the guitar all the time. I couldn't stop playing. 118 00:08:12,889 --> 00:08:14,379 This wasn't here. 119 00:08:14,490 --> 00:08:17,391 None of these houses, it's just the school and the field. 120 00:08:17,493 --> 00:08:19,654 Yeah. There's Fisherville. 121 00:08:19,762 --> 00:08:23,323 I remember my homeroom class was the third window from the end. 122 00:08:23,433 --> 00:08:26,266 Alex was always the teacher's pet at school, 123 00:08:26,369 --> 00:08:28,394 he always smiled up to the teachers 124 00:08:28,504 --> 00:08:30,995 and, you know, he was a real schmoozer. 125 00:08:31,107 --> 00:08:32,802 We were in the same homeroom. 126 00:08:32,909 --> 00:08:35,639 Did we used to take all our classes together? 127 00:08:35,745 --> 00:08:36,871 In grade nine we did. 128 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:39,312 And one year we wrote each other's test. 129 00:08:39,415 --> 00:08:40,712 We had almost finished with the test 130 00:08:40,817 --> 00:08:45,220 and we said at the end, "You sign my name, I'll sign yours." "OK." 131 00:08:45,321 --> 00:08:46,413 We were bad. 132 00:08:46,522 --> 00:08:48,581 Oh, yeah, I do remember... 133 00:08:48,691 --> 00:08:51,489 That's how bad we were. We upset the teacher. 134 00:08:53,529 --> 00:08:54,621 We were very similar. 135 00:08:54,731 --> 00:08:58,064 We both felt like we were really outside the rest of our class, 136 00:08:58,167 --> 00:09:00,658 the rest of our school, the rest of everything. 137 00:09:00,770 --> 00:09:04,262 And then we discovered this manic love for music that we both had. 138 00:09:04,374 --> 00:09:09,437 We got this gig, early in September of 1968, in this church basement. 139 00:09:09,545 --> 00:09:11,979 John Rutsey was a neighbor that played the drums 140 00:09:12,081 --> 00:09:13,605 and I asked Gedd if he would sit in 141 00:09:13,716 --> 00:09:16,207 because he knew these same songs that we all knew. 142 00:09:16,319 --> 00:09:17,809 So I said, "Sure," I came down 143 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,050 and we were playing this drop-in center in Willowdale called The Coffin. 144 00:09:22,158 --> 00:09:24,524 That was The Coffin there. 145 00:09:24,627 --> 00:09:27,653 You used to come in here and you used to go downstairs. 146 00:09:30,633 --> 00:09:35,764 We had maybe 35 people there, we got paid $10 to do the show, 147 00:09:35,872 --> 00:09:38,363 for the whole band, not each, ten bucks 148 00:09:38,474 --> 00:09:40,704 and we went to Pancer's Deli afterwards 149 00:09:40,810 --> 00:09:44,906 and the three of us sat in a booth planning our takeover of the world. 150 00:09:45,014 --> 00:09:49,212 # My head is full of sunshine # 151 00:09:49,318 --> 00:09:53,277 # My world is spinning round # 152 00:09:53,389 --> 00:09:57,018 # Here come the magic people # 153 00:09:57,126 --> 00:09:59,321 # The people with the freedom sound # 154 00:09:59,429 --> 00:10:01,294 # Sound # 155 00:10:01,397 --> 00:10:04,264 When I started hanging around with Alex and John, 156 00:10:04,367 --> 00:10:05,891 we would come downtown 157 00:10:06,002 --> 00:10:09,028 and there was a coffee shop in Yorkville called the Upper Crusts 158 00:10:09,138 --> 00:10:11,231 and a lot of musicians would hang out there. 159 00:10:11,340 --> 00:10:15,208 There was another band that we really idolized at the time called The Paupers. 160 00:10:15,311 --> 00:10:18,246 You could see the guys from that band hanging around 161 00:10:18,347 --> 00:10:22,283 so we would go in there and order a cup of tea like they were, trying to be cool, 162 00:10:22,385 --> 00:10:24,876 and we were just these little suburban hippies. 163 00:10:24,987 --> 00:10:29,287 Always playing with your hair, you know. Trying to look like you fit in. 164 00:10:29,392 --> 00:10:31,155 I was living on Yorkville Avenue 165 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:34,024 and I had met the guys at a concert in a church hall. 166 00:10:34,130 --> 00:10:36,758 Even though they were sixteen-year-old kids, 167 00:10:36,866 --> 00:10:39,061 they were incredibly good players. 168 00:10:39,168 --> 00:10:40,328 I was a fan immediately. 169 00:10:40,436 --> 00:10:42,802 They were playing the kind of music that I liked. 170 00:10:42,905 --> 00:10:45,897 Ray said, "You guys need a manager," and what did we know? 171 00:10:46,008 --> 00:10:48,704 We said, "Yeah, sure. Get us up to twelve bucks from ten bucks." 172 00:10:48,811 --> 00:10:51,405 And Ray started booking dances 173 00:10:51,514 --> 00:10:55,177 and putting up posters on telephone poles and we started to grow. 174 00:10:55,284 --> 00:10:57,912 In Ontario at the time, with a drinking age that high, 175 00:10:58,020 --> 00:10:59,920 the high schools took it upon themselves 176 00:11:00,022 --> 00:11:01,922 to create entertainment for teenagers. 177 00:11:02,024 --> 00:11:03,855 So there was a real circuit to do. 178 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,293 That's really what bands did back then, you played at a school dance 179 00:11:07,396 --> 00:11:09,057 and hopefully you had a repertoire 180 00:11:09,165 --> 00:11:11,190 that covered lots of the current popular music, 181 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:13,359 but that wasn't really our thing. 182 00:11:13,469 --> 00:11:16,700 # I had a woman not too long ago # 183 00:11:16,806 --> 00:11:19,900 # A cool-hearted woman, let my feelings show # 184 00:11:20,009 --> 00:11:23,467 # Damn, that woman, I do all I got # 185 00:11:23,579 --> 00:11:26,207 # Ooh, all I wanted was to treat her good # 186 00:11:26,816 --> 00:11:30,013 # Can't understand it, no matter how I tried # 187 00:11:30,119 --> 00:11:33,577 # Till one day my heart grew cold inside # 188 00:11:33,689 --> 00:11:36,453 # Fancy dancer, oh, can't you see # 189 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,027 We played a lot of Sadie Hawkins dances, 190 00:11:39,128 --> 00:11:41,688 we played a lot of dances where people couldn't dance very well 191 00:11:41,798 --> 00:11:43,527 because we weren't really a dance band. 192 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:46,033 Everyone would be staying at the back of the hall, 193 00:11:46,135 --> 00:11:49,502 they wouldn't even be coming near us, like we were contagious. 194 00:11:49,605 --> 00:11:53,336 We probably bummed out a lot of people on their high-school memories. 195 00:11:53,442 --> 00:11:55,603 I was trying to do this full time and stay alive 196 00:11:55,711 --> 00:11:57,372 and they were still in high school. 197 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,506 They were a part-time band playing high schools on weekends 198 00:12:00,616 --> 00:12:03,210 and they were practicing at Geddy and Alex's house. 199 00:12:08,024 --> 00:12:11,221 We were rehearsing in my basement and playing with these guys. 200 00:12:11,327 --> 00:12:12,624 They weren't Jewish guys. 201 00:12:12,728 --> 00:12:17,131 We were really loud and it didn't sound anything like music to my family. 202 00:12:17,233 --> 00:12:18,894 They just thought I was nuts. 203 00:12:19,001 --> 00:12:23,301 They thought I was probably a drug-taking freak so they were scared, 204 00:12:23,406 --> 00:12:25,738 they were freaked out, they didn't know what to do. 205 00:12:25,842 --> 00:12:27,833 They didn't know how to handle it. 206 00:12:36,719 --> 00:12:39,017 The whole neighborhood was just bumping 207 00:12:39,121 --> 00:12:42,818 because the music was so loud and everything was vibrating. 208 00:12:42,925 --> 00:12:47,089 I really didn't like it and it wasn't my kind of music. 209 00:12:47,196 --> 00:12:50,996 Perry Como was my kind of music. 210 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:53,796 Alex's mom and I used to talk always on the phone, 211 00:12:53,903 --> 00:12:56,201 crying at each other's shoulder. 212 00:12:56,305 --> 00:13:03,108 It was hard because he wanted to just play and practice and he couldn't study, 213 00:13:03,212 --> 00:13:06,147 he would go to sleep late, couldn't get up 214 00:13:06,249 --> 00:13:08,843 and that's why he said, "I'm quitting grade 12," 215 00:13:08,951 --> 00:13:10,350 and we were very upset. 216 00:13:10,453 --> 00:13:11,920 Like, I don't wanna make a bunch of money. 217 00:13:12,021 --> 00:13:13,921 Like, if I make a lot of money that's great, 218 00:13:14,023 --> 00:13:16,617 but I'm not going to go to university and get a big degree. 219 00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:18,455 Hang on, no. 220 00:13:18,561 --> 00:13:20,893 I don't wanna drive around in a big car 221 00:13:20,997 --> 00:13:23,727 and get people to go, "Hey, there goes Alex, 222 00:13:23,833 --> 00:13:27,394 "he's loaded with money and, wow, he's really set himself up great." 223 00:13:27,503 --> 00:13:32,133 I don't see why I have to go through all the bullshit of high school 224 00:13:32,241 --> 00:13:33,640 to learn music. 225 00:13:33,743 --> 00:13:37,406 It's not that we're forcing Alex to go to university right now or anything. 226 00:13:37,513 --> 00:13:40,710 We're just asking a little favor of him, just to finish grade 12, 227 00:13:40,816 --> 00:13:42,477 and then he's on his own. 228 00:13:42,585 --> 00:13:46,112 We wanted for him to be something, to have education. 229 00:13:46,222 --> 00:13:48,713 I was a little bit worried about his future. 230 00:13:48,824 --> 00:13:51,418 If he doesn't finish high school, what's gonna happen? 231 00:13:51,527 --> 00:13:54,860 And if the group doesn't succeed, you know, it was tough. 232 00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:57,159 It was tough to go through that. 233 00:13:57,266 --> 00:13:59,791 You know, the thing is, my parents were right. 234 00:13:59,902 --> 00:14:01,494 I thought I knew everything. 235 00:14:01,604 --> 00:14:05,631 I have said to you, Alex, I want you to be free to expand. 236 00:14:05,741 --> 00:14:07,606 You know, they came from Yugoslavia, 237 00:14:07,710 --> 00:14:09,200 people were getting killed everywhere. 238 00:14:09,312 --> 00:14:10,643 My dad was in prison camps. 239 00:14:10,746 --> 00:14:13,806 They came to Canada and their kids were everything. 240 00:14:13,916 --> 00:14:16,180 That was, I'm sure, a great disappointment to them 241 00:14:16,285 --> 00:14:19,550 that I wasn't going to do something that was more professional. 242 00:14:19,655 --> 00:14:23,022 The whole idea of leaving school was a stressful decision, 243 00:14:23,125 --> 00:14:25,525 but at that age I was just wanting to be a kid 244 00:14:25,628 --> 00:14:28,654 and there was so much heaviness in my family's life. 245 00:14:28,764 --> 00:14:31,824 Being Holocaust survivors, losing your dad at twelve, 246 00:14:31,934 --> 00:14:34,630 I kind of wanted to run away from that a little bit. 247 00:14:34,737 --> 00:14:37,865 To my mother it was the equivalent of joining the circus. 248 00:14:37,974 --> 00:14:40,875 She didn't see any music in what we were doing, 249 00:14:40,977 --> 00:14:44,413 this was just madness and she didn't really get it 250 00:14:44,513 --> 00:14:47,448 until she, one day, years later, saw me on television 251 00:14:47,550 --> 00:14:51,486 and then it kind of... "Oh, he's an entertainer." You know? 252 00:14:51,587 --> 00:14:53,817 "Now I understand what he's doing." 253 00:14:55,992 --> 00:14:59,826 Once again we're back at the Laura Secord secondary school 254 00:14:59,929 --> 00:15:03,126 and we've got a great trio of guys here who call themselves Rush 255 00:15:03,232 --> 00:15:06,531 and I'll let John, the drummer, introduce the rest of the guys to you right now. 256 00:15:06,635 --> 00:15:11,800 Well, introducing, on lead guitar and vocals Alex Lifeson. 257 00:15:12,608 --> 00:15:16,510 And on lead vocals and bass guitar, Geddy Lee. 258 00:15:16,612 --> 00:15:20,241 And sitting behind the drums, here, myself John Rutsey. 259 00:15:22,051 --> 00:15:23,643 OK, we're gonna see in this number 260 00:15:23,753 --> 00:15:26,722 if we can get you to make a little noise along with us. 261 00:15:26,822 --> 00:15:28,255 It doesn't take too much, 262 00:15:28,357 --> 00:15:31,053 all you've got to do is put your hands together like this. 263 00:15:39,668 --> 00:15:42,034 # Well, I've been lyin' and I've been sneakin' # 264 00:15:42,138 --> 00:15:44,197 # Ooh, yeah, yeah # 265 00:15:44,306 --> 00:15:46,433 # Well, I've been crowin' and I've been weepin' # 266 00:15:46,542 --> 00:15:48,533 # Ooh, yeah, yeah # 267 00:15:48,644 --> 00:15:50,874 # Ooh, your lovin' makes me feel # 268 00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:52,845 # Makes me feel mighty real # 269 00:15:52,948 --> 00:15:55,246 # Well, I've been Ionely and I've been duped, yeah # 270 00:15:55,985 --> 00:15:57,885 # Ooh, yes, now, baby, don't stop # 271 00:15:57,987 --> 00:15:59,682 # I know nothin' about you # 272 00:16:02,091 --> 00:16:04,958 The turning point came in 1971, 273 00:16:05,061 --> 00:16:08,929 when the drinking age was lowered to 18 from 21 in Ontario. 274 00:16:09,031 --> 00:16:11,659 As soon as the drinking age dropped to 18, 275 00:16:11,767 --> 00:16:13,598 it was right at the time we turned 18, 276 00:16:13,702 --> 00:16:15,431 so we could finally start playing in bars 277 00:16:15,538 --> 00:16:18,234 which were better paying, more serious gigs. 278 00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:20,968 What happened is Yorkville got shut down by 1970. 279 00:16:21,077 --> 00:16:24,342 They wanted to rid that area of hippies and the clubs 280 00:16:24,447 --> 00:16:28,315 and shift it onto Young Street and onto Queen Street as well. 281 00:16:28,417 --> 00:16:30,783 And as soon as the drinking age went down in '71, 282 00:16:30,886 --> 00:16:33,218 it invited a whole different kind of music 283 00:16:33,322 --> 00:16:36,519 because a drinking crowd wants a different kind of entertainment 284 00:16:36,625 --> 00:16:37,853 than a listening crowd. 285 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,020 You wanted something harder and heavier. So a whole new world grew. 286 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:44,497 The scene in Toronto was vibrant as far as live bands go. 287 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,295 There were a ton of live venues. 288 00:16:46,402 --> 00:16:49,371 I went into a place called the Abbey Road pub on Queen Street 289 00:16:49,472 --> 00:16:50,939 and saw Rush one night. 290 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,941 I was watching them, going, "Wow, there's something going on here." 291 00:16:54,043 --> 00:16:56,511 We went from playing a couple of high-school dances 292 00:16:56,612 --> 00:16:57,738 in the course of a month, 293 00:16:57,847 --> 00:16:59,144 to playing six nights a week 294 00:16:59,248 --> 00:17:01,079 with matinees on Saturdays sometimes 295 00:17:01,183 --> 00:17:03,583 and playing four or five 40-minute sets. 296 00:17:03,686 --> 00:17:06,086 We started to get a little more experimental with music 297 00:17:06,188 --> 00:17:09,521 and that was great because that's really where we learned our chops. 298 00:17:09,625 --> 00:17:12,253 We're gonna do a number called Garden Road for you! 299 00:17:24,273 --> 00:17:27,731 # Passin' down this garden road, I've passed it many times # 300 00:17:30,546 --> 00:17:32,446 # Beauty flashing in the yard # 301 00:17:32,548 --> 00:17:34,448 # Covers many vines # 302 00:17:36,719 --> 00:17:39,847 # Each day I seek the answer that I must know # 303 00:17:42,725 --> 00:17:46,593 # I found my questions on this garden road # 304 00:17:46,695 --> 00:17:49,323 Initially, I was trying to get them a record deal 305 00:17:49,431 --> 00:17:51,160 and no one was willing to sign them. 306 00:17:51,267 --> 00:17:52,359 I couldn't get arrested. 307 00:17:52,468 --> 00:17:55,904 So it became obvious that I was gonna have to come up with the money 308 00:17:56,005 --> 00:17:57,267 and do the record myself. 309 00:17:57,373 --> 00:18:00,308 We looked for, jeez, I guess about four months, 310 00:18:00,409 --> 00:18:02,775 trying to get a record deal on Rush in this country 311 00:18:02,878 --> 00:18:04,937 and couldn't get anyone interested at all. 312 00:18:05,047 --> 00:18:06,571 There was just no reaction. 313 00:18:06,682 --> 00:18:08,809 We were willing to literally give the album away 314 00:18:08,918 --> 00:18:11,614 if somebody would just make a commitment to promote it. 315 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,652 Couldn't get that. 316 00:18:12,755 --> 00:18:16,213 Part of the general attitude in Canada is, unfortunately, 317 00:18:16,325 --> 00:18:19,123 the people coming out to see you, not all of them, but quite a few of them 318 00:18:19,228 --> 00:18:22,061 go, "Well, they're a local band, how good can they be?" 319 00:18:22,164 --> 00:18:25,463 And it's funny when other people from the States come out 320 00:18:25,568 --> 00:18:29,902 and they see these so-called local bands, they go, "Man, these guys are fantastic." 321 00:18:30,005 --> 00:18:31,802 There was no one in Canada to sign you. 322 00:18:31,907 --> 00:18:34,467 There were no record companies here, they were outposts really. 323 00:18:34,577 --> 00:18:37,978 You had to get an American deal if you wanted to do anything. 324 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,605 # Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks! # 325 00:18:40,716 --> 00:18:43,879 Cleveland Rocks on WMMS! 326 00:18:43,986 --> 00:18:47,217 I was up in my office and I was listening to the new music. 327 00:18:47,323 --> 00:18:49,655 We were deciding what we were going to play that week 328 00:18:49,758 --> 00:18:51,817 and, suddenly, I get this thing from Canada. 329 00:18:51,927 --> 00:18:55,328 I remember dropping the needle on what was the longest cut, 330 00:18:55,431 --> 00:18:57,797 because back in those days in album rock, 331 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:01,028 you were always looking for what was called "bathroom songs." 332 00:19:01,136 --> 00:19:02,763 And a bathroom song was something 333 00:19:02,871 --> 00:19:05,032 that if you did have to answer the call of nature, 334 00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:08,541 the record wouldn't run out. And then I start listening to the song 335 00:19:08,644 --> 00:19:13,138 and I'm just, "Oh, my God, this is a perfect record for Cleveland." 336 00:19:13,249 --> 00:19:15,342 Back then it was a factory town. 337 00:19:15,451 --> 00:19:21,117 The song Working Man, every listener in the audience felt like that. 338 00:19:24,293 --> 00:19:26,784 # I get up at seven, yeah # 339 00:19:26,895 --> 00:19:30,592 # And I go to work at nine # 340 00:19:30,699 --> 00:19:32,633 # I got no time for livin' # 341 00:19:32,735 --> 00:19:36,398 # Yes, I'm workin' all the time # 342 00:19:36,505 --> 00:19:39,804 # It seems to me I could live my life # 343 00:19:39,908 --> 00:19:42,433 # A lot better than I think I am # 344 00:19:43,746 --> 00:19:46,010 # I guess that's why they call me # 345 00:19:46,982 --> 00:19:49,177 # They call me the workin' man # 346 00:19:52,921 --> 00:19:56,789 Phones light up immediately. "When's the new Led Zeppelin album out?" 347 00:19:56,892 --> 00:20:00,692 "No, no, not a new Led Zeppelin album, a Canadian band, Rush." 348 00:20:00,796 --> 00:20:02,855 Every time the record gets played, 349 00:20:02,965 --> 00:20:04,865 people are calling, "Where can we get one?" 350 00:20:04,967 --> 00:20:07,060 We had this cult following going already. 351 00:20:07,169 --> 00:20:12,038 June 1974, I was working at Mercury Records in Chicago, 352 00:20:12,141 --> 00:20:15,304 it was a Monday morning and on my desk was an album. 353 00:20:15,411 --> 00:20:17,038 A note comes along with it, 354 00:20:17,146 --> 00:20:20,309 it says, "This is the first album by a Canadian group called Rush," 355 00:20:20,416 --> 00:20:23,510 and that it's already selling in Cleveland 356 00:20:23,619 --> 00:20:25,712 and they're looking for a deal in the United States. 357 00:20:25,821 --> 00:20:28,813 The artists and repertoire person who would normally listen was not in, 358 00:20:28,924 --> 00:20:32,860 so they took it to the least qualified guy, me. 359 00:20:32,961 --> 00:20:35,623 I put on the record and got blown away. 360 00:20:35,731 --> 00:20:40,031 I said, "Get the president of the company on the line. 361 00:20:40,135 --> 00:20:41,932 "We should sign this band." 362 00:20:42,037 --> 00:20:46,167 He said, "Don't make a deal with anyone until we talk." 363 00:20:46,275 --> 00:20:49,540 And he loved the record and he really wanted to sign us. 364 00:20:49,645 --> 00:20:51,442 By the end of the day we'd worked out a deal, 365 00:20:51,547 --> 00:20:54,448 signing the band within eight hours of hearing it. 366 00:20:54,550 --> 00:20:58,611 We went from getting this offer to getting an advance, to buying equipment. 367 00:20:58,721 --> 00:21:01,281 Everything was happening very, very quickly. 368 00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:05,053 I don't think that John really felt comfortable with what was happening. 369 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,957 We talked about musical differences 370 00:21:07,062 --> 00:21:09,394 and he was a much more straightahead rock kind of guy. 371 00:21:09,498 --> 00:21:11,295 He was more into Bad Company 372 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,630 whereas Gedd and I were more into Yes and Genesis 373 00:21:13,736 --> 00:21:15,567 and Pink Floyd and bands like that. 374 00:21:15,671 --> 00:21:17,662 If we'd stayed on the Toronto local circuit, 375 00:21:17,773 --> 00:21:20,435 we probably would have stayed together and that would have been fine 376 00:21:20,542 --> 00:21:23,568 but suddenly things were turning a page. 377 00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:27,080 John was not a healthy boy, he had sugar diabetes. 378 00:21:27,182 --> 00:21:31,084 Of course, like any teenager, he liked to drink and whatever else. 379 00:21:31,186 --> 00:21:35,589 He was not taking care of himself and I took Geddy and Alex aside and Ray 380 00:21:35,691 --> 00:21:39,058 and I said, "We have to replace John. For his health." 381 00:21:39,161 --> 00:21:41,493 We can't put him out there on that tour 382 00:21:41,597 --> 00:21:43,792 or we'll be bringing him home in a box. 383 00:21:43,899 --> 00:21:45,833 So I discussed it with John, 384 00:21:45,934 --> 00:21:48,266 of course he was heartbroken, but he understood. 385 00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:51,237 There was no saying that John wasn't doing his job. 386 00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:54,207 It wasn't for his ability to drum that he was let go, 387 00:21:54,309 --> 00:21:55,833 it was for health reasons. 388 00:21:55,944 --> 00:21:57,571 It's like coming to the end of high school 389 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:01,342 and you're with all your friends and you think, "We'll know each other forever," 390 00:22:01,450 --> 00:22:03,543 and then everybody just goes in their own direction 391 00:22:03,652 --> 00:22:06,314 and, for the most part, you never see those people again. 392 00:22:06,422 --> 00:22:08,617 It was a big deal, we had an American contract, 393 00:22:08,724 --> 00:22:09,952 we were going to the States, 394 00:22:10,058 --> 00:22:12,117 we only had less than a month to find somebody 395 00:22:12,227 --> 00:22:14,286 and get them in shape for us to go on the road. 396 00:22:14,396 --> 00:22:17,456 We needed a drummer. Let's put it like that. 397 00:22:42,958 --> 00:22:45,722 Oh, ho! Broken drumhead! 398 00:22:46,728 --> 00:22:48,992 I thought it would be good to start at the beginning. 399 00:22:49,097 --> 00:22:50,291 Oh, how predictable. 400 00:22:50,399 --> 00:22:52,924 The very beginning. Where you were born and where you grew up. 401 00:22:53,035 --> 00:22:54,935 Much of that I don't remember. 402 00:22:55,037 --> 00:22:57,062 I know that I was born on the... 403 00:22:57,172 --> 00:23:00,107 We were living on the family farm near Hagersville, Ontario, at the time. 404 00:23:00,209 --> 00:23:02,609 We went to the nearest hospital, which was in Hamilton 405 00:23:02,711 --> 00:23:06,078 and moved to St. Catherine's when I was about four or so. 406 00:23:06,181 --> 00:23:09,173 I had never been athletic, I never could play hockey, 407 00:23:09,284 --> 00:23:12,378 I skated on my ankles, which, for a young Canadian kid, 408 00:23:12,488 --> 00:23:16,219 that's automatically like the hugest curse a young boy could have. 409 00:23:16,325 --> 00:23:19,089 Well, he was... In those days, I used to say weird. 410 00:23:19,194 --> 00:23:20,627 He just read everything. 411 00:23:20,729 --> 00:23:22,890 He just read everything there was to read. 412 00:23:22,998 --> 00:23:24,829 He even had to learn to knit 413 00:23:24,933 --> 00:23:27,401 because he had to know how that was done. 414 00:23:27,503 --> 00:23:31,200 It was horrible coming into high school, once I got interested in rock bands 415 00:23:31,306 --> 00:23:33,604 and started to grow my hair a little over my ears 416 00:23:33,709 --> 00:23:35,700 and wear bell-bottoms and all that stuff. 417 00:23:35,811 --> 00:23:37,369 The taunting in the hallways 418 00:23:37,479 --> 00:23:40,209 and even physical abuse out in the smoking area. 419 00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,545 The constant misfit sense. 420 00:23:42,651 --> 00:23:46,883 For any kid, especially a sensitive one, it just wears you down, 421 00:23:46,989 --> 00:23:50,550 so that's why drumming became an instrument of self-esteem for me. 422 00:23:50,659 --> 00:23:53,219 This was the first time I was admired for anything. 423 00:23:53,328 --> 00:23:55,922 And that doubled my fervor about playing drums. 424 00:24:03,105 --> 00:24:06,199 Fortunately, I was in a very serious band at the time called J.R. Flood. 425 00:24:06,308 --> 00:24:07,434 We'd practice all weekdays 426 00:24:07,543 --> 00:24:10,068 and then weekends we'd be playing high schools around Ontario 427 00:24:10,178 --> 00:24:11,475 or the nights at Columbus Halls. 428 00:24:25,027 --> 00:24:28,428 In the summer of '74, I was working behind the parts counter for my dad 429 00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:31,556 at the farm equipment dealer and this white Corvette pulled up. 430 00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:34,932 A white Corvette doesn't pull up in a farm equipment dealership that often. 431 00:24:35,037 --> 00:24:36,004 They came and asked 432 00:24:36,104 --> 00:24:38,629 if they could talk to Neil and take him out for lunch 433 00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:41,709 and I could tell, as Neil came back, the rest of the afternoon 434 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:44,142 that he was really troubled with something. 435 00:24:44,246 --> 00:24:47,613 He told me then that these guys were the managers of Rush 436 00:24:47,716 --> 00:24:49,911 and they wanted Neil to come over and audition 437 00:24:50,018 --> 00:24:51,508 and he said, "I don't know what to do, Dad." 438 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,645 And I said, "Well, two things. 439 00:24:53,755 --> 00:24:56,553 "First of all, we'll talk it over with your mother 440 00:24:56,658 --> 00:24:58,751 "but secondly, as far as I'm concerned, 441 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:01,920 "this is your passion, this is all you have wanted all your life," 442 00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:05,466 and I said, "I guess there will always be a parts department here 443 00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:07,330 "so I think you've got to go for it." 444 00:25:07,436 --> 00:25:09,802 So I borrowed my mom's Pinto, 445 00:25:09,905 --> 00:25:10,963 so perfect, 446 00:25:11,073 --> 00:25:13,541 and loaded my drums into that and drove up to Ajax. 447 00:25:13,642 --> 00:25:19,774 So this car pulls up with this kind of gangly guy, really kind of short hair. 448 00:25:19,881 --> 00:25:23,339 My first impression was that he was kind of goofy. 449 00:25:23,452 --> 00:25:27,286 I remember thinking, "God, he's not nearly cool enough to be in this band." 450 00:25:27,389 --> 00:25:29,755 I had Rogers with two 18-inch bass drums 451 00:25:29,858 --> 00:25:31,849 and everything set up really high 452 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,452 and kind of weird-Iooking, and I was kind of weird-Iooking. 453 00:25:35,564 --> 00:25:38,158 And then he started playing, he pounded the crap out of those drums. 454 00:25:38,266 --> 00:25:41,463 He played like Keith Moon and John Bonham at the same time. 455 00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:44,539 I was blown away. As soon as he started playing. 456 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,507 He's playing these triplets and it was so good. 457 00:25:47,609 --> 00:25:51,272 I think it's very common for musicians, especially in your early years, 458 00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:53,610 to feel that you totally blew it and I had that feeling. 459 00:25:53,715 --> 00:25:56,548 I could've played better, I should've played better, all that stuff, 460 00:25:56,652 --> 00:26:00,019 but, um, they picked me. 461 00:26:07,996 --> 00:26:09,827 # Hey, now, baby # 462 00:26:11,299 --> 00:26:13,267 # Well, I like your smile # 463 00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:18,328 # Won't you come and talk to me # 464 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,772 # For a little while? # 465 00:26:22,244 --> 00:26:24,508 # Well, you're makin' me crazy # 466 00:26:25,914 --> 00:26:28,144 # The way you roll them eyes # 467 00:26:29,418 --> 00:26:33,081 # Won't you come and sit with me? # 468 00:26:33,188 --> 00:26:35,554 # I'll tell you all my lies # 469 00:26:36,591 --> 00:26:39,583 It was like a tornado came and hit my life and swept it away. 470 00:26:39,695 --> 00:26:41,458 We had two weeks to prepare 471 00:26:41,563 --> 00:26:43,793 and to learn songs that I'd never heard before 472 00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:45,764 and to gel a little bit as much as we could. 473 00:26:45,867 --> 00:26:48,495 The first show was going to be in front of 11,000 people 474 00:26:48,603 --> 00:26:49,763 at Pittsburgh Civic Arena, 475 00:26:49,871 --> 00:26:51,930 opening for Manfred Mann and Uriah Heep. 476 00:27:00,549 --> 00:27:02,244 # The only time she's happy # 477 00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:05,376 # Is when the bullets fly, fly, fly, fly # 478 00:27:06,254 --> 00:27:10,281 # And she'll make you feel you're better than any other guy # 479 00:27:10,392 --> 00:27:13,691 We found that the biggest rock audience was Midwest 480 00:27:13,795 --> 00:27:16,457 and we gave Rush the perfect audience to come into. 481 00:27:16,565 --> 00:27:19,659 It was a great rock audience, and they loved their rock music. 482 00:27:19,768 --> 00:27:22,862 We had a dressing room that was just a small kind of room 483 00:27:22,971 --> 00:27:25,337 under the stands at the far end of the arena, 484 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,499 away from the other dressing rooms. 485 00:27:27,609 --> 00:27:29,770 We had this tour manager, Howard Ungerleider, 486 00:27:29,878 --> 00:27:31,209 who had come in from New York, 487 00:27:31,313 --> 00:27:33,838 he was teaching us how to be professional. 488 00:27:33,949 --> 00:27:36,782 I remember Howard saying, "You can have booze or something 489 00:27:36,885 --> 00:27:39,945 "and they'll supply it for you." And we went, "Really? OK. Cool." 490 00:27:40,055 --> 00:27:42,819 I ordered, like, a little bottle of Southern Comfort 491 00:27:42,924 --> 00:27:46,758 and I think Alex ordered Blue Nun wine or something like that. 492 00:27:46,862 --> 00:27:49,831 I remember taking a sip of this stuff and it went straight to my head 493 00:27:49,931 --> 00:27:54,197 and I was completely dizzy and we hit the stage. 494 00:27:54,302 --> 00:27:56,236 By the time I kind of came to my senses, 495 00:27:56,338 --> 00:27:58,306 the set was over and we were off 496 00:27:58,406 --> 00:28:00,499 and I had no idea how well we'd played. 497 00:28:00,609 --> 00:28:04,340 My immediate thoughts were, "God, he can sing high." 498 00:28:04,446 --> 00:28:08,075 That was my first thought, and how full it sounded for just a three piece. 499 00:28:08,183 --> 00:28:09,445 Rush came out and nailed it. 500 00:28:09,551 --> 00:28:12,918 It was obvious that they were going to move up the ladder pretty quick. 501 00:28:13,021 --> 00:28:15,888 # Hey, baby, it's a quarter to eight # 502 00:28:15,991 --> 00:28:18,425 # I feel I'm in the mood # 503 00:28:19,928 --> 00:28:22,453 # Hey, baby, the hour is late # 504 00:28:22,564 --> 00:28:24,964 # I feel I've got to move # 505 00:28:26,768 --> 00:28:29,931 It was huge. This was the start of our tour and it was America. 506 00:28:30,038 --> 00:28:33,530 Big, bold, beautiful America and we were so excited to be doing it. 507 00:28:33,642 --> 00:28:36,475 Here are these three twenty-year-old guys living a dream. 508 00:28:36,578 --> 00:28:37,943 It was a very exciting time 509 00:28:38,046 --> 00:28:41,447 and we were working eleven days on, one day off, nine days on, one day off. 510 00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:44,075 We were really working a lot and traveling all over the place. 511 00:28:44,186 --> 00:28:45,676 The circuit was different back then. 512 00:28:45,787 --> 00:28:47,220 The money certainly wasn't as great 513 00:28:47,322 --> 00:28:49,813 and you wanted to play five or six times a week. 514 00:28:49,925 --> 00:28:54,259 You could play markets like Johnson City, Tennessee or Yakima, Washington. 515 00:28:54,362 --> 00:28:57,559 You would talk about how many shows in Iowa you were going to do. 516 00:28:57,666 --> 00:29:00,726 Every day and we would always share the driving. 517 00:29:00,836 --> 00:29:02,235 Everybody was sharing rooms. 518 00:29:02,337 --> 00:29:04,862 We had a room rotation schedule back then. It was kind of fun. 519 00:29:04,973 --> 00:29:09,171 Traveling around in a rental car, it wasn't even a bus or a van. 520 00:29:09,277 --> 00:29:10,676 Sleeping on your baggage. 521 00:29:10,779 --> 00:29:13,145 Now, you know, you'd be in traction for a month 522 00:29:13,248 --> 00:29:16,649 if you did a week traveling like we used to travel for months. 523 00:29:36,137 --> 00:29:40,233 The life of an opening act back then was hooking up from circuit to circuit. 524 00:29:40,342 --> 00:29:42,173 Sometimes you didn't know where you were going 525 00:29:42,277 --> 00:29:43,904 because sometimes your gigs would run out 526 00:29:44,012 --> 00:29:46,981 and you'd be in the States waiting to find out if you're on another tour. 527 00:29:47,082 --> 00:29:49,642 # Rock 'n' roll! # 528 00:29:56,091 --> 00:29:59,390 # Baby gets tired, everybody knows # 529 00:29:59,494 --> 00:30:01,860 As soon as we heard that first Rush record, 530 00:30:01,963 --> 00:30:05,023 we just were like, "What is this? This is like Canadian Zeppelin." 531 00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:08,432 "Yeah! Oh, yeah!" "What the hell is that?" 532 00:30:08,536 --> 00:30:11,505 And we literally said, "We want that band to open Canada." 533 00:30:11,606 --> 00:30:13,233 We then took them across America. 534 00:30:13,341 --> 00:30:18,540 With Kiss we probably played 50, 60 shows in the first couple of tours, 535 00:30:18,647 --> 00:30:21,741 where they were just this weird band from New York, 536 00:30:21,850 --> 00:30:24,284 and we got very, very close. 537 00:30:24,386 --> 00:30:25,512 # Baby, won't you tell me # 538 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:28,282 # Baby, rock 'n' roll, yeah, yeah # 539 00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:30,722 # Do you wanna rock 'n' roll? # 540 00:30:30,825 --> 00:30:33,953 Regardless of what you want to say about Kiss, 541 00:30:34,062 --> 00:30:35,290 musically or otherwise, 542 00:30:35,397 --> 00:30:37,627 there was no harder-working band than Kiss 543 00:30:37,732 --> 00:30:42,260 and there was no band more determined to put on a spectacular show 544 00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:44,429 and give people their money's worth than Kiss. 545 00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:47,565 That was a great thing to see as an opening act. 546 00:30:47,676 --> 00:30:50,167 We were so impressionable and we were so green. 547 00:30:50,278 --> 00:30:51,540 They were very good to us. 548 00:30:51,646 --> 00:30:54,581 Those guys liked to have a good time, especially Gene, 549 00:30:54,683 --> 00:30:58,084 and their hotels were always fun to watch. 550 00:30:59,254 --> 00:31:01,779 Every night after the show, the girls would line up. 551 00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:04,916 My God! You can even be an ugly bastard like me and get laid 552 00:31:05,026 --> 00:31:06,653 and none of the Rush guys ever did. 553 00:31:06,761 --> 00:31:10,094 I just never understood it. I said, "They're not gay?" "No." 554 00:31:10,198 --> 00:31:12,598 "Farm animals?" "No, that's not it." 555 00:31:12,701 --> 00:31:16,728 I... What the fuck did you do when you went back to your hotel room? 556 00:31:16,838 --> 00:31:19,705 I even remember one night, it was in Milwaukee I think, 557 00:31:19,808 --> 00:31:23,403 and there was a female bowling league sharing the same floor 558 00:31:23,511 --> 00:31:25,809 and they were walking around in their nightgowns 559 00:31:25,914 --> 00:31:28,610 and their hotel room doors are open and they're drinking. 560 00:31:28,717 --> 00:31:32,153 All the guys in Rush are in their rooms just watching TV after a gig. 561 00:31:32,253 --> 00:31:34,448 They probably woke up the next day, going, 562 00:31:34,556 --> 00:31:36,456 "God, these Canadian bands sure are boring." 563 00:31:46,401 --> 00:31:48,961 That was a "getting to know you" period for us and Neil. 564 00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:51,231 He was one of the weirdest people we'd ever met 565 00:31:51,339 --> 00:31:52,704 because we'd never met anyone 566 00:31:52,807 --> 00:31:54,968 that was so literate and so opinionated before. 567 00:31:55,076 --> 00:31:56,202 And it was hard for him. 568 00:31:56,311 --> 00:32:00,748 He was always and still is the new guy in some strange way. 569 00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:03,750 Alex and I were bonded, old friends 570 00:32:03,852 --> 00:32:06,912 and he had to kinda make his way to be part of that. 571 00:32:07,022 --> 00:32:10,355 In some ways he was very serious and we were totally goofy, 572 00:32:10,458 --> 00:32:14,519 certainly he had a bigger brain than us and that was a target. 573 00:32:14,629 --> 00:32:16,460 What more perfect, portable education 574 00:32:16,564 --> 00:32:19,931 than having a lot of free time on your hands and bookstores everywhere? 575 00:32:20,035 --> 00:32:21,525 So for the next few years I'd say, 576 00:32:21,636 --> 00:32:24,298 basically, I started filling those hours with reading. 577 00:32:24,406 --> 00:32:26,806 And we'd say, "Look at how many books he reads. 578 00:32:26,908 --> 00:32:28,170 "Look at the words he uses, 579 00:32:28,276 --> 00:32:30,870 "this guy is probably capable of writing lyrics!" 580 00:32:30,979 --> 00:32:32,640 # Beneath the noble bird # 581 00:32:32,747 --> 00:32:34,840 # Between the proudest words # 582 00:32:34,949 --> 00:32:38,282 # Behind the beauty cracks appear # 583 00:32:39,154 --> 00:32:41,019 # Once with heads held high # 584 00:32:41,122 --> 00:32:43,113 # They sang out to the sky # 585 00:32:43,224 --> 00:32:46,591 # Why do their shadows bow in fear? # 586 00:32:47,195 --> 00:32:51,723 It was really stimulating, but really a mouthful to sing 587 00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:55,963 in the kind of rocking style that we were doing at that time. 588 00:32:56,071 --> 00:32:59,438 # Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind # 589 00:32:59,541 --> 00:33:02,408 # A funeral dirge for eyes gone blind # 590 00:33:03,311 --> 00:33:05,677 # We marvel after those who sought # 591 00:33:06,147 --> 00:33:09,446 # Wonders in the world, wonders in the world # 592 00:33:09,551 --> 00:33:13,487 # Wonders in the world they wrought # 593 00:33:13,588 --> 00:33:15,522 We worked on songs as we traveled. 594 00:33:15,623 --> 00:33:17,853 On my little handwritten lyric sheets for the time 595 00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:20,359 I think I wrote the cities that all of those songs were written, 596 00:33:20,462 --> 00:33:21,986 they varied widely all over the map. 597 00:33:22,097 --> 00:33:23,587 It was like the Monkees, you know. 598 00:33:23,698 --> 00:33:25,256 Alex would have an acoustic guitar 599 00:33:25,366 --> 00:33:28,767 and we'd be working on a song in a rental car, in a hotel room after a show. 600 00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:31,100 That's how, pretty much, Fly By Night was written. 601 00:33:31,206 --> 00:33:32,571 That's the way bands used to do it. 602 00:33:32,674 --> 00:33:34,869 They'd write the record while they were on the road. 603 00:33:34,976 --> 00:33:36,807 They'd go home and cut it in two or three weeks 604 00:33:36,911 --> 00:33:38,742 and a new album would appear every six months. 605 00:33:38,847 --> 00:33:40,474 Pretty amazing to think of that today. 606 00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:52,051 # Why try? I know why # 607 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,789 # This feeling inside me says it's time I was gone # 608 00:33:55,897 --> 00:33:59,162 # Clear head, new life ahead # 609 00:33:59,267 --> 00:34:02,896 # It's time I was king now, not just one more pawn # 610 00:34:03,004 --> 00:34:06,269 # Fly by night away from here # 611 00:34:06,374 --> 00:34:08,774 # Change my life again # 612 00:34:09,878 --> 00:34:12,779 # Fly by night, goodbye, my dear # 613 00:34:12,881 --> 00:34:16,408 # My ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend # 614 00:34:23,091 --> 00:34:25,889 Fly By Night was a little different from the first record 615 00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:27,655 so the record company wasn't sure 616 00:34:27,762 --> 00:34:30,731 if we were developing in the correct way. 617 00:34:30,832 --> 00:34:33,733 They wanted us to be more like Bad Company 618 00:34:33,835 --> 00:34:36,861 and not so much like this weird thing that we were becoming. 619 00:34:36,971 --> 00:34:39,599 By-Tor And The Snow Dog, what the hell was that all about? 620 00:34:39,707 --> 00:34:41,299 With By-Tor And The Snow Dog, 621 00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:45,846 that was the start of writing in more of a thematic, multi-piece idea. 622 00:34:45,947 --> 00:34:47,414 And then with Caress Of Steel 623 00:34:47,515 --> 00:34:49,983 we did the whole side of Fountain Of Lamneth 624 00:34:50,084 --> 00:34:52,279 and the Necromancer was kind of like that, 625 00:34:52,387 --> 00:34:53,877 it was the start of those longer pieces. 626 00:34:53,988 --> 00:34:56,047 Neil had come up with this concept 627 00:34:56,157 --> 00:34:59,524 and we had to put it all together and make it work. 628 00:34:59,627 --> 00:35:03,063 It seemed like an evolution of where they were going. 629 00:35:03,164 --> 00:35:04,927 I thought it had amazing potential. 630 00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:06,557 It's a dark record, 631 00:35:06,668 --> 00:35:09,603 but it was certainly a good record, I thought. 632 00:35:09,704 --> 00:35:12,298 But that view wasn't shared by everybody. 633 00:35:12,407 --> 00:35:14,534 I know we played Caress Of Steel once for Paul Stanley. 634 00:35:14,642 --> 00:35:18,078 We'd just got it, we played it in our van for him one night 635 00:35:18,179 --> 00:35:21,842 and you could see that he just... he didn't get it. 636 00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:25,386 A lot of people didn't get it, we were wondering if even we got it. 637 00:35:25,486 --> 00:35:28,353 I think we were pretty high when we made a lot of that record. 638 00:35:28,456 --> 00:35:29,923 It sounds like it to me. 639 00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:31,685 # My eyes have just been opened # 640 00:35:31,793 --> 00:35:34,421 # And they're open very wide # 641 00:35:34,529 --> 00:35:38,192 # Images around me don't identify inside # 642 00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:42,360 # Just one blur I recognize the one that soothes and feeds # 643 00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:46,531 # My way of life is easy and as simple are my needs # 644 00:35:49,377 --> 00:35:52,676 Caress Of Steel was not well received by the record company. 645 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,180 It was not well received by our agents. 646 00:35:55,283 --> 00:35:57,251 Everything took an awful downturn 647 00:35:57,352 --> 00:35:59,081 and it was off the crest of a wave too, 648 00:35:59,187 --> 00:36:01,849 because we were so in love with what we'd done, 649 00:36:01,956 --> 00:36:03,685 we were so into it and so proud of it. 650 00:36:03,791 --> 00:36:08,160 When Caress Of Steel pretty much met a deaf ear, the ensuing tour, 651 00:36:08,263 --> 00:36:11,926 we were opening acts on smaller tours and playing backwater clubs 652 00:36:12,033 --> 00:36:14,797 and we called it, at the time, "The Down The Tubes tour". 653 00:36:14,902 --> 00:36:18,030 You would find yourself in places like Battle Creek, Michigan, 654 00:36:18,139 --> 00:36:19,629 playing to twenty people 655 00:36:19,741 --> 00:36:22,005 wondering why you were still continuing. 656 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:24,169 Everybody thought that it was over. 657 00:36:24,279 --> 00:36:26,679 Audiences were becoming smaller and smaller 658 00:36:26,781 --> 00:36:29,011 so we thought the end was near. 659 00:36:29,117 --> 00:36:32,348 At that time, Ted Nugent was also not breaking, 660 00:36:32,453 --> 00:36:35,547 so the two of us played a lot of small clubs together. 661 00:36:35,657 --> 00:36:38,455 It was a pretty depressing tour, we were kinda lost, 662 00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,722 figured that we would probably not survive to see another tour. 663 00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:45,128 And the record company was really not happy with us 664 00:36:45,233 --> 00:36:47,497 and our management was trying to defend us. 665 00:36:47,602 --> 00:36:50,901 I remember going to Chicago and meeting with Mercury Records 666 00:36:51,005 --> 00:36:53,701 to not give up on the band, to not drop the band. 667 00:36:53,808 --> 00:36:55,776 I nodded to every request they had. 668 00:36:55,877 --> 00:36:58,038 They wanted singles, more commercial, 669 00:36:58,146 --> 00:37:00,512 "Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're going to do." 670 00:37:00,615 --> 00:37:01,843 That was a terrible winter. 671 00:37:01,949 --> 00:37:04,383 I had no money, I was sleeping on a friend's couch. 672 00:37:04,485 --> 00:37:06,419 Things couldn't have been bleaker really. 673 00:37:06,521 --> 00:37:08,318 At the record company, everybody was, 674 00:37:08,423 --> 00:37:10,721 "We have to be more commercial here and think about some singles," 675 00:37:10,825 --> 00:37:13,259 and just leaning on us at our weakest. 676 00:37:13,361 --> 00:37:16,489 We talked about how we would rather go down fighting 677 00:37:16,597 --> 00:37:19,828 than try to make the kind of record they wanted us to make. 678 00:37:19,934 --> 00:37:22,596 We made 2112, figuring everyone would hate it 679 00:37:22,704 --> 00:37:25,195 but we were going to go out in a blaze of glory. 680 00:37:25,306 --> 00:37:27,968 We all decided that we would rather go back to our jobs, 681 00:37:28,076 --> 00:37:29,543 working on a farm 682 00:37:29,644 --> 00:37:32,340 or working as a plumber's mate for my dad or whatever, 683 00:37:32,447 --> 00:37:34,415 than give in and just be something 684 00:37:34,515 --> 00:37:36,176 that everybody else wants us to be. 685 00:37:36,284 --> 00:37:39,913 We did summon that strength of character to say, "No, we won't do that. 686 00:37:40,021 --> 00:37:43,047 "We're doing it our way and if this is the last hurrah, fine." 687 00:37:43,157 --> 00:37:45,057 Back to the farm equipment dealership for me. 688 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,559 It was a big no - "No, we're not doing any of that. 689 00:37:47,662 --> 00:37:50,358 "No, you can't tell us what to do and no, we don't care." 690 00:38:03,644 --> 00:38:09,480 # Whoa, oh, oh, oh # 691 00:38:10,885 --> 00:38:14,446 # Whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah # 692 00:38:14,555 --> 00:38:16,147 # Yeah, yeah # 693 00:38:24,098 --> 00:38:29,695 When the record company heard a full side concept like the first side of 2112, 694 00:38:29,804 --> 00:38:33,831 people panicked. They thought, "Wow, we're screwed." 695 00:38:33,941 --> 00:38:34,965 They didn't get it. 696 00:38:35,076 --> 00:38:36,566 This was, like, I ordered salmon 697 00:38:36,677 --> 00:38:39,202 and they brought me a steak - what the hell is this? 698 00:38:39,313 --> 00:38:41,474 The nature of the story that evolved in 2112 699 00:38:41,582 --> 00:38:43,447 was the individual against the mass, 700 00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,213 and that album did communicate and reach people 701 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,154 on a level that just blossomed outward by the classic form of word of mouth. 702 00:38:50,258 --> 00:38:53,921 Obviously, the opening twenty-minute piece did not get played on the radio. 703 00:38:54,529 --> 00:38:58,226 # I can't wait to share this new wonder # 704 00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:03,067 # Well, the people will all see its light # 705 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,470 # Let them all make their own music # 706 00:39:09,877 --> 00:39:14,280 # The priests praise my name on this night # 707 00:39:14,382 --> 00:39:16,782 Suddenly it was like, you gotta to check this band out, 708 00:39:16,884 --> 00:39:18,977 and, you know, the first thing that struck you 709 00:39:19,086 --> 00:39:22,578 was the level of musicianship was just insane. 710 00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:25,454 I remember vividly, I was in my bedroom with my neighbor 711 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,187 and he'd brought over 2112. 712 00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:29,525 It was just something I'd never heard before, 713 00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:32,463 just the fact it was a three-piece ripping... they were pulling off this stuff 714 00:39:32,567 --> 00:39:35,195 that sounded like a huge prog rock production. 715 00:39:35,303 --> 00:39:37,669 It took me on a journey instantly 716 00:39:37,772 --> 00:39:41,401 and I looked at the album cover and saw that there were only three of them 717 00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:43,773 and they were wearing some funky clothes. 718 00:39:43,878 --> 00:39:49,248 But I thought, how can three guys make such a sound? 719 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:51,978 I remember the keyboard sound... 720 00:39:52,086 --> 00:39:53,644 ...and all of a sudden it kicked in 721 00:39:53,754 --> 00:39:56,348 and it was just like a whole new experience to music, 722 00:39:56,457 --> 00:39:58,448 something I'd never heard before. 723 00:39:58,559 --> 00:39:59,753 The drumming was incredible, 724 00:39:59,861 --> 00:40:03,058 the bass playing was incredible and that was it. 725 00:40:03,164 --> 00:40:05,189 I was hooked on Rush ever since then. 726 00:40:05,299 --> 00:40:08,427 There was a moment in my life, and I willingly admit this, 727 00:40:08,536 --> 00:40:11,096 that I knew how to play the entire side. 728 00:40:11,205 --> 00:40:13,366 I knew how to play 2112 all the way down. 729 00:40:13,474 --> 00:40:15,271 I knew every note, every moment. 730 00:40:15,376 --> 00:40:18,903 And I think back now, "How long did I have to fucking learn that?" 731 00:40:19,013 --> 00:40:22,449 I must have sat in the bedroom for a year to learn that fucking song. 732 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:25,075 I was into the story. You know, I read the back 733 00:40:25,186 --> 00:40:27,814 and it was dedicated to The Fountainhead, the book, 734 00:40:27,922 --> 00:40:30,686 and I went right out and bought The Fountainhead and read it. 735 00:40:30,791 --> 00:40:33,954 I mean, not too many bands make a twelve-year-old go out 736 00:40:34,061 --> 00:40:36,086 and buy The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. 737 00:40:37,365 --> 00:40:41,426 Goddamn this rock band, it's got me all fired up about literature. 738 00:40:43,404 --> 00:40:47,636 # Well, yes, we know, it's nothing new # 739 00:40:48,175 --> 00:40:50,871 # It's just a waste of time # 740 00:40:52,713 --> 00:40:57,514 # We have no need for ancient ways # 741 00:40:57,618 --> 00:41:00,985 # The world is doing fine # 742 00:41:02,423 --> 00:41:05,187 As it turned out, the concept record went through the roof. 743 00:41:05,293 --> 00:41:06,282 They were right. 744 00:41:06,394 --> 00:41:09,727 2112 really bought us our independence. 745 00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:11,730 The record company has never been in 746 00:41:11,832 --> 00:41:13,424 on a single session that we've ever done. 747 00:41:13,534 --> 00:41:14,762 In fact, when we're done, 748 00:41:14,869 --> 00:41:17,429 it's all packaged and they accept it the way it is. 749 00:41:17,538 --> 00:41:18,630 They have no choice. 750 00:41:18,739 --> 00:41:21,708 That somehow was the plateau of untouchable. 751 00:41:21,809 --> 00:41:23,800 Nobody thought they had the right anymore. 752 00:41:23,911 --> 00:41:27,438 So, yeah, 2112 was absolutely the passepartout, you know, 753 00:41:27,548 --> 00:41:31,075 the skeleton key that opened that door that we could close behind us. 754 00:41:31,185 --> 00:41:33,153 OK, from now on, we do what we want. 755 00:41:33,254 --> 00:41:37,247 Attention, all planets of the Solar Federation. 756 00:41:37,358 --> 00:41:40,794 Attention, all planets of the Solar Federation. 757 00:41:41,195 --> 00:41:44,358 Attention, all planets of the Solar Federation. 758 00:41:44,465 --> 00:41:46,956 We have assumed control. 759 00:41:47,568 --> 00:41:49,593 We have assumed control. 760 00:41:50,071 --> 00:41:52,039 We have assumed control. 761 00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:04,212 Most critics ignored 2112 or treated Rush, I think, very, very negatively. 762 00:42:04,318 --> 00:42:06,445 I mean, what do critics hate generally? 763 00:42:06,554 --> 00:42:09,489 They hate heavy metal and they hate progressive music. 764 00:42:09,590 --> 00:42:13,082 I would say probably most of the reviews were bad. 765 00:42:13,194 --> 00:42:15,355 I don't know if it was discouraging to read bad press. 766 00:42:15,463 --> 00:42:18,523 I mean, after a while it was like, "Oh yeah, yeah, whatever." 767 00:42:18,633 --> 00:42:20,260 Usually it's, critics back then particularly, 768 00:42:20,368 --> 00:42:24,828 just trying to be cool, so they would write all sorts of things. 769 00:42:24,939 --> 00:42:28,306 # What you own is your own kingdom # 770 00:42:28,409 --> 00:42:31,708 # What you do is your own glory # 771 00:42:31,812 --> 00:42:35,543 # What you love is your own power # 772 00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:39,108 # What you live is your own story # 773 00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:42,018 # In your head is the answer # 774 00:42:42,123 --> 00:42:44,717 # Let it guide you along # 775 00:42:45,526 --> 00:42:48,825 # Let your heart be the anchor # 776 00:42:48,929 --> 00:42:52,296 # And the beat of your song # 777 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,858 Geddy's soaring voice was described in some rather unkind ways. 778 00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:57,232 "A hamster in overdrive." 779 00:42:57,338 --> 00:42:58,828 "The dead howling in Hades." 780 00:42:58,939 --> 00:43:00,338 "Mickey Mouse on helium." 781 00:43:00,441 --> 00:43:01,465 "Strangling a hamster." 782 00:43:01,575 --> 00:43:04,237 "A cat being chased out the door with a blowtorch up its ass." 783 00:43:04,345 --> 00:43:06,813 It was just constant insults hurled that way. 784 00:43:06,914 --> 00:43:09,109 But it was never like that with the audiences. 785 00:43:09,216 --> 00:43:11,275 We found that we had a growing audience 786 00:43:11,385 --> 00:43:13,717 that didn't care about any of that press stuff. 787 00:43:13,821 --> 00:43:16,187 They were into the band and liked what we were trying to do. 788 00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:18,622 We were a little more thoughtful about the way we wrote music 789 00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:21,422 and certainly how we wrote lyrics and how we put it all together. 790 00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:23,121 I'd rather read fan reviews 791 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:27,428 than some guy who always hated us and didn't stay for half the show. 792 00:43:27,535 --> 00:43:30,265 Critically, we were designated terminally unhip 793 00:43:30,371 --> 00:43:33,238 and that prevents you from getting mainstream press. 794 00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:35,808 Our songs were too long to go on mainstream radio, 795 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:37,207 so what the hell are we? 796 00:43:37,311 --> 00:43:40,838 Every once in a while you have an artist that is very sophisticated 797 00:43:40,948 --> 00:43:42,643 but somehow in their sophistication 798 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:44,718 they don't alienate the common person. 799 00:43:44,819 --> 00:43:46,343 They're really a people's band 800 00:43:46,454 --> 00:43:48,547 and the great hole in their career 801 00:43:48,656 --> 00:43:51,250 has been that they've never been truly accepted by the intelligentsia. 802 00:43:51,358 --> 00:43:53,155 But with a band like Rush you can't say, 803 00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:54,727 "Well, they can't play, they can't sing." 804 00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:59,129 So what was it? Well, they're nerdy or they don't fit in a neat box. 805 00:43:59,233 --> 00:44:01,861 The one constant with Rush throughout the decades 806 00:44:01,969 --> 00:44:05,427 is that it's been difficult to fit them into any kind of definition. 807 00:44:05,539 --> 00:44:08,633 Their music was hard rock but at the same time it was orchestral. 808 00:44:08,743 --> 00:44:11,837 The melodies were simple but at the same time complex. 809 00:44:11,946 --> 00:44:14,608 Nobody could ever put their finger on exactly what they were. 810 00:44:14,715 --> 00:44:16,842 I think the fashion that was associated with it 811 00:44:16,951 --> 00:44:18,145 defied definition as well. 812 00:44:18,252 --> 00:44:22,518 We were never very good at the whole fashion image thing. 813 00:44:22,623 --> 00:44:24,648 Let's face it. We didn't have a clue. 814 00:44:24,759 --> 00:44:27,557 We desperately just wanted to wear jeans and T-shirts 815 00:44:27,661 --> 00:44:30,596 but we were raised in a period that said that's not OK. 816 00:44:30,698 --> 00:44:34,156 So we looked for some way of standing out in a crowd. 817 00:44:34,268 --> 00:44:35,929 I remember we were in San Francisco 818 00:44:36,036 --> 00:44:39,130 and we were staying in the Japanese part of town, 819 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,834 so we found all these kind of kimonos and robes 820 00:44:41,942 --> 00:44:44,001 and we said, "Hey, why don't we try these?" 821 00:44:44,111 --> 00:44:47,842 So that began the period of the absurdly prophetic robes. 822 00:44:50,651 --> 00:44:54,348 # And the men who hold high places # 823 00:44:54,455 --> 00:44:56,980 # Must be the ones who start # 824 00:44:57,992 --> 00:45:01,325 # To mould a new reality # 825 00:45:01,428 --> 00:45:03,726 # Closer to the heart # 826 00:45:04,865 --> 00:45:07,299 # Closer to the heart # 827 00:45:08,502 --> 00:45:11,562 # The blacksmith and the artist # 828 00:45:11,672 --> 00:45:14,505 # Reflect it in their art # 829 00:45:15,075 --> 00:45:18,442 # They forge their creativity # 830 00:45:18,546 --> 00:45:21,037 # Closer to the heart # 831 00:45:21,148 --> 00:45:24,140 # Yeah, it's closer to the heart # 832 00:45:31,225 --> 00:45:32,749 These were the salad days 833 00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:36,023 because we were transitioning and we could feel it. 834 00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:38,121 The world was expanding for us. 835 00:45:38,232 --> 00:45:41,963 We were starting to record in England, starting to get success in England 836 00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:45,095 and to go over there and to actually have a song in the charts 837 00:45:45,206 --> 00:45:48,141 and play Hammersmith Odeon was really gratifying, 838 00:45:48,242 --> 00:45:50,608 because all of our heroes were English rock musicians. 839 00:45:50,711 --> 00:45:53,305 So that gave us a tremendous amount of confidence. 840 00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:57,510 # Whoa, oh, you can be the captain # 841 00:45:57,618 --> 00:46:00,314 # And I will draw the chart # 842 00:46:01,188 --> 00:46:04,521 # Sailing into destiny # 843 00:46:04,625 --> 00:46:06,889 # Closer to the heart # 844 00:46:07,795 --> 00:46:10,059 # Closer to the heart # 845 00:46:10,164 --> 00:46:13,861 # Well, closer to the heart # 846 00:46:13,968 --> 00:46:17,062 # Yeah, closer to the heart # 847 00:46:17,171 --> 00:46:20,698 As the records progressed, the palette got bigger and bigger. 848 00:46:20,808 --> 00:46:24,005 Neil was constantly changing and adding to his drum kit 849 00:46:24,111 --> 00:46:27,274 and we had more choice of guitars and acoustic guitars. 850 00:46:27,381 --> 00:46:31,044 Bass pedals. The keyboards developed every time we went into the studio. 851 00:46:31,151 --> 00:46:32,675 Gedd was staying on top of that. 852 00:46:32,786 --> 00:46:35,653 The first time I worked with the band it was a three piece. 853 00:46:35,756 --> 00:46:38,384 I think we may have had a cowbell. 854 00:46:42,363 --> 00:46:45,799 # Held within the pleasure dome # 855 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,664 # Decreed by Kubla Khan # 856 00:46:49,937 --> 00:46:53,031 # To taste my bitter triumph # 857 00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:57,099 # As a mad immortal man # 858 00:46:57,811 --> 00:47:01,247 # Nevermore shall I return # 859 00:47:01,348 --> 00:47:04,181 # Escape these caves of ice # 860 00:47:05,085 --> 00:47:08,987 # For I have dined on honeydew # 861 00:47:09,089 --> 00:47:14,891 # And drunk the milk of paradise # 862 00:47:15,296 --> 00:47:18,959 # Oh, is it paradise? # 863 00:47:22,903 --> 00:47:25,963 You know, what really helped us get out of that robe period 864 00:47:26,073 --> 00:47:28,007 was touring with UFO. 865 00:47:28,108 --> 00:47:30,508 They made fun of us relentlessly 866 00:47:30,611 --> 00:47:33,910 and they would hold up signs and make fun of our lyrics 867 00:47:34,014 --> 00:47:35,879 and I would go up to my microphone 868 00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,543 and there'd be a pair of furry slippers 869 00:47:38,652 --> 00:47:40,882 nailed to the stage beside my mic. 870 00:47:40,988 --> 00:47:44,048 They used to call me Glee, and the guys would be at the side telling me... 871 00:47:44,158 --> 00:47:47,184 "It goes perfect with your robe, Glee." 872 00:47:47,294 --> 00:47:49,228 It was good for us because, you know, 873 00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:52,857 you go on stage thinking that maybe there has to be some other thing 874 00:47:52,967 --> 00:47:56,061 but in the end it is always back to the music for us. 875 00:48:02,509 --> 00:48:05,706 # The trouble with the maples # 876 00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:09,044 # And they're quite convinced they're right # 877 00:48:09,149 --> 00:48:12,585 # They say the oaks are just too lofty # 878 00:48:12,686 --> 00:48:15,780 # And they grab up all the light # 879 00:48:16,557 --> 00:48:19,754 # But the oaks can't help their feelings # 880 00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:23,261 # If they like the way they're made # 881 00:48:23,364 --> 00:48:26,925 # And they wonder why the maples # 882 00:48:27,034 --> 00:48:30,470 # Can't be happy in their shade # 883 00:48:31,872 --> 00:48:33,772 Hemispheres was the album 884 00:48:33,874 --> 00:48:38,038 that broke the camel's back in terms of long songs. 885 00:48:38,145 --> 00:48:42,081 The Hemispheres side of that album was incredibly complex, 886 00:48:42,182 --> 00:48:44,616 both thematically and structurally. 887 00:48:44,718 --> 00:48:47,278 # When our weary world was young # 888 00:48:47,388 --> 00:48:51,688 # The struggle of the ancients first began # 889 00:48:51,792 --> 00:48:54,260 # The gods of love and reason # 890 00:48:54,995 --> 00:48:59,932 # Sought alone to rule the fate of man # 891 00:49:00,034 --> 00:49:02,264 We went to a little farmhouse in Wales 892 00:49:02,369 --> 00:49:05,361 and wrote all that music, arranged it, learned how to play it. 893 00:49:05,472 --> 00:49:07,770 It was so ambitious and so demanding, 894 00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,706 so experimental, all of that. 895 00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:13,246 It was quite manic and our hours became later and later and later, 896 00:49:13,347 --> 00:49:16,111 and it just went around so that we were going to bed at noon, 897 00:49:16,216 --> 00:49:18,081 we were getting up at seven o'clock and having breakfast then 898 00:49:18,185 --> 00:49:20,779 and then working through the night until the morning, 899 00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:22,788 unending, with no time off. 900 00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:27,327 Even the shorter songs on that record, like La Villa Strangiato, were really hard, 901 00:49:27,428 --> 00:49:29,862 and, of course, we were bound and determined 902 00:49:29,963 --> 00:49:32,625 to record La Villa Strangiato live in one take. 903 00:49:32,733 --> 00:49:33,995 It was so complicated 904 00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:37,559 and went through so many different mood and time signature changes, 905 00:49:37,671 --> 00:49:39,730 it would have needed to be charted out 906 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,274 in order to keep track of where you were at any given point. 907 00:49:42,376 --> 00:49:46,836 I think we spent eleven days trying to record the bed track only 908 00:49:46,947 --> 00:49:51,441 and we finally had to admit defeat. We had to do it in three parts. 909 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:14,466 That one, kind of slow, open solo that Alex plays, 910 00:50:14,575 --> 00:50:19,444 the way he built that up had a huge impression on me 911 00:50:19,546 --> 00:50:22,447 because he was creating a mood 912 00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:27,782 by playing very, very sparsely and just slowly amping up the intensity. 913 00:50:27,888 --> 00:50:30,152 I just thought that was the greatest thing 914 00:50:30,257 --> 00:50:33,818 in terms of lead guitar dynamics and phrasing. 915 00:50:33,927 --> 00:50:38,591 I see them as the high priests of conceptual metal. 916 00:50:38,699 --> 00:50:41,099 A big influence. Huge. 917 00:50:50,511 --> 00:50:52,911 Probably the hardest song I ever learned how to play 918 00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:54,480 was La Villa Strangiato. 919 00:50:54,581 --> 00:50:57,243 The drumming is... It takes everything you've got to get through it. 920 00:50:57,351 --> 00:51:00,411 That was the benchmark of drumming when I was a kid. 921 00:51:00,521 --> 00:51:03,285 I could play YYZ but can you play La Villa Strangiato? 922 00:51:22,943 --> 00:51:25,605 We'd written material that was really a little beyond us, 923 00:51:25,712 --> 00:51:28,943 considering our level of musicianship at the time. 924 00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:32,416 And that was the thing about Rush, we were always overreaching. 925 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,250 When you listen to early Rush, it was like the riffs were simpler. 926 00:51:36,356 --> 00:51:38,756 It got more complex as they kept going. 927 00:51:38,859 --> 00:51:41,191 With the arrangements, it would be so long, 928 00:51:41,295 --> 00:51:43,229 it would be like the boys were up there going, 929 00:51:43,330 --> 00:51:47,198 "We did write this, didn't we? What part of the song are we in?" 930 00:51:47,301 --> 00:51:48,529 If you could learn those songs, 931 00:51:48,635 --> 00:51:51,468 that was a stepping-stone to just about everything you needed to know. 932 00:51:51,572 --> 00:51:54,166 If you could play those songs with some proficiency, 933 00:51:54,274 --> 00:51:56,435 you could play pretty much anything else. 934 00:51:56,543 --> 00:51:58,238 Just eerily precise. 935 00:51:58,345 --> 00:52:00,472 Everything was just right on the nuggets. 936 00:52:00,581 --> 00:52:02,708 I bet, if you went in with a computer, 937 00:52:02,816 --> 00:52:07,981 Neil Peart would probably be right on the beat to, like, an atom. 938 00:52:08,088 --> 00:52:10,488 At least that's how it sounds when you're listening with the headphones, 939 00:52:10,591 --> 00:52:13,151 you're like, "He's not even human." 940 00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:15,319 Geddy Lee is still my favorite bass player. 941 00:52:15,429 --> 00:52:18,796 It would be like, "Wow! That guy who's shredding the bass is also singing 942 00:52:18,899 --> 00:52:21,060 "and playing the keyboards with his feet and hands?" 943 00:52:21,168 --> 00:52:23,864 And he would move his microphone a lot with his nose, 944 00:52:23,971 --> 00:52:25,905 he actually figured a way to use it. 945 00:52:26,006 --> 00:52:27,200 If it weren't for the nose, 946 00:52:27,307 --> 00:52:29,434 I don't think he could have done the keyboards, bass and singing. 947 00:52:29,543 --> 00:52:32,103 I really don't. I think the nose was what enabled him 948 00:52:32,212 --> 00:52:34,146 to get the microphone where he needed it to be. 949 00:52:34,248 --> 00:52:37,081 He has a big nose. Props to the nose! 950 00:53:04,611 --> 00:53:07,045 We knew at the time we were overreaching ourselves 951 00:53:07,147 --> 00:53:09,980 and we agreed among ourselves in 1978 when we finished Hemispheres, 952 00:53:10,083 --> 00:53:13,450 we're not doing this again, we're not making this kind of record again. 953 00:53:13,553 --> 00:53:16,317 We knew that was the end of that era, of the epics. 954 00:53:16,423 --> 00:53:18,254 You've been touring now for how many years? 955 00:53:18,358 --> 00:53:19,586 Well, professionally, 956 00:53:19,693 --> 00:53:22,662 in the United States and around the world, about five years. 957 00:53:22,763 --> 00:53:25,891 About five years. How many concerts do you average a year? 958 00:53:25,999 --> 00:53:29,025 About 200, maybe more. 959 00:53:29,136 --> 00:53:30,899 200 concerts a year for five years. 960 00:53:31,004 --> 00:53:32,471 How long can you keep that up? 961 00:53:32,572 --> 00:53:35,473 As long as we can. As long as we're still standing. 962 00:53:35,575 --> 00:53:37,736 We were working all the time. 963 00:53:37,844 --> 00:53:41,575 I remember at one point we counted 17 one-nighters in a row. 964 00:53:41,682 --> 00:53:43,980 We were getting fried and getting stupid. 965 00:53:44,084 --> 00:53:49,249 Not taking care of ourselves, just burning out. 966 00:53:49,356 --> 00:53:52,257 We didn't like what we were becoming as people. 967 00:53:52,359 --> 00:53:55,817 In my personal life I was getting alienated from my wife, 968 00:53:55,929 --> 00:53:57,590 we were just starting to have kids 969 00:53:57,698 --> 00:54:00,394 and once you start introducing children into your life, 970 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,333 you can't be so selfish. You just can't. 971 00:54:03,437 --> 00:54:06,770 I think we all cherish the fact that we're pretty normal guys. 972 00:54:06,873 --> 00:54:10,104 I got married when I was young. I had a family early. 973 00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:13,577 I introduced Geddy's wife to him when we were teenagers. 974 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,047 Family was the most important thing to me in my life. 975 00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:18,640 We were trying to remember 976 00:54:18,752 --> 00:54:22,518 music is just one of the things we had chosen to do with our lives. 977 00:54:22,622 --> 00:54:23,748 Not everything. 978 00:54:23,857 --> 00:54:26,553 If we'd kept going like that, we would have crashed. 979 00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:28,252 Something started to break. 980 00:54:28,362 --> 00:54:30,728 I think the heaviness of Hemispheres 981 00:54:30,831 --> 00:54:33,766 made us want to run away from that kind of album 982 00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:37,030 so we ran from Hemispheres straight into Spirit Of Radio. 983 00:55:04,297 --> 00:55:07,528 # Begin the day with a friendly voice # 984 00:55:07,634 --> 00:55:10,728 # A companion unobtrusive # 985 00:55:11,405 --> 00:55:14,670 # Plays that song that's so elusive # 986 00:55:14,775 --> 00:55:18,336 # And the magic music makes your morning mood # 987 00:55:25,886 --> 00:55:28,013 Permanent Waves was a joy to me. 988 00:55:28,121 --> 00:55:31,113 We were in Canada, you know, our families were close, 989 00:55:31,224 --> 00:55:33,021 that's when we discovered Le Studio 990 00:55:33,126 --> 00:55:36,152 and the songs just came together. Just boom, boom, boom. 991 00:55:36,263 --> 00:55:37,252 OK, the new album. 992 00:55:37,364 --> 00:55:39,798 There are a number of new things, new approaches to the album. 993 00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:41,026 Tell me what's new about it. 994 00:55:41,134 --> 00:55:42,226 You tell him. 995 00:55:42,335 --> 00:55:45,361 Basically, its newness derives from experiments 996 00:55:45,472 --> 00:55:47,702 we've conducted over the last couple of albums. 997 00:55:47,808 --> 00:55:49,742 Through Hemispheres and Farewell To Kings, 998 00:55:49,843 --> 00:55:52,311 we were experimenting with a lot of new instruments and sounds 999 00:55:52,412 --> 00:55:54,880 and rhythmic approaches and so on. This time we found ways 1000 00:55:54,981 --> 00:55:58,712 to put those directions into a single stream and consequently, I think, 1001 00:55:58,819 --> 00:56:00,912 the album probably has a more direct feel to it. 1002 00:56:01,021 --> 00:56:03,353 The whole music industry is going primitive, 1003 00:56:03,457 --> 00:56:05,391 new wave, minimal, rock-'n'-roll. Do you care? 1004 00:56:05,492 --> 00:56:08,359 There's gonna be some bands that have gone back to basics, 1005 00:56:08,462 --> 00:56:11,363 but those bands can't do anything but play basics. 1006 00:56:11,465 --> 00:56:13,433 But all the real interesting new-wave bands 1007 00:56:13,533 --> 00:56:15,194 seem to be developing and progressing 1008 00:56:15,302 --> 00:56:16,667 into more interesting styles. 1009 00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:19,000 - Who do you listen to at home? - All kinds of people. 1010 00:56:19,105 --> 00:56:21,972 Recently been Talking Heads on the turntable a lot. 1011 00:56:22,075 --> 00:56:23,099 The Police. 1012 00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:27,203 I was a huge fan of The Police, Ultravox and all these new English bands. 1013 00:56:27,314 --> 00:56:29,714 I loved them. It became a part of our sensibility. 1014 00:56:29,816 --> 00:56:31,875 Permanent Waves still had a couple of longer songs on it 1015 00:56:31,985 --> 00:56:34,852 but The Spirit Of Radio was the emblematic song of that period. 1016 00:56:34,955 --> 00:56:38,049 The mix of sounds in it, the approach to electronic music and reggae, 1017 00:56:38,158 --> 00:56:39,819 that's all the stuff I was listening to. 1018 00:56:42,462 --> 00:56:46,762 # For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall # 1019 00:56:48,602 --> 00:56:50,297 # Concert hall # 1020 00:56:51,605 --> 00:56:53,402 They seemed to have that knack 1021 00:56:53,507 --> 00:56:56,635 of being able to use time signatures at will 1022 00:56:56,743 --> 00:56:58,904 and yet make them feel seamless. 1023 00:56:59,012 --> 00:57:00,877 If you're changing time signatures 1024 00:57:00,981 --> 00:57:03,279 and your audience aren't really aware of it, 1025 00:57:03,383 --> 00:57:05,214 then you've got something special. 1026 00:57:05,318 --> 00:57:06,546 Rush find a real interesting way 1027 00:57:06,653 --> 00:57:08,553 of drawing a straight line through the song, 1028 00:57:08,655 --> 00:57:10,623 whether it's melodically or rhythmically. 1029 00:57:10,724 --> 00:57:14,490 And when you put together the sound of the band being so recognized 1030 00:57:14,594 --> 00:57:18,360 and their ability to make sure there's a lifeline for people out there 1031 00:57:18,465 --> 00:57:20,899 who can't quite tap their foot to an odd time signature, 1032 00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:22,901 that makes what Rush does genius 1033 00:57:23,003 --> 00:57:25,767 when it comes to still being able to be played on the radio. 1034 00:57:29,142 --> 00:57:32,407 # We are secrets to each other # 1035 00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:38,477 # Each one's life a novel no one else has read # 1036 00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:41,645 # Even joined in bonds of love # 1037 00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:48,459 # We're linked to one another by such slender threads # 1038 00:57:50,564 --> 00:57:53,158 I think Permanent Waves was, in a way, 1039 00:57:53,266 --> 00:57:55,166 the most important stepping stone 1040 00:57:55,268 --> 00:57:58,169 because, just like Caress Of Steel is to 2112, 1041 00:57:58,271 --> 00:58:02,002 there would be no Moving Pictures without Permanent Waves first. 1042 00:58:02,108 --> 00:58:03,837 As I define it, that's when we became us. 1043 00:58:03,944 --> 00:58:06,242 I think Rush was born with Moving Pictures really. 1044 00:58:11,685 --> 00:58:14,483 # A modern-day warrior, mean, mean stride # 1045 00:58:14,588 --> 00:58:17,318 # Today's Tom Sawyer, mean, mean pride # 1046 00:58:19,125 --> 00:58:21,992 It represents so much that we learned up to that time 1047 00:58:22,095 --> 00:58:24,120 about song writing, about arrangement. 1048 00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:26,755 That's when we brought our band identity together too, 1049 00:58:26,866 --> 00:58:30,597 how we like to play individually and as a band at the same time. 1050 00:58:30,704 --> 00:58:32,365 Now when I look back on those songs, 1051 00:58:32,472 --> 00:58:35,600 I'm glad to say to people that I will never get tired of playing Tom Sawyer 1052 00:58:35,709 --> 00:58:39,236 because it's difficult to play right, and any time I do play it right, I feel good. 1053 00:58:51,091 --> 00:58:53,355 # No, his mind is not for rent # 1054 00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,428 # To any god or government # 1055 00:58:56,396 --> 00:58:58,990 # Always hopeful, yet discontent # 1056 00:58:59,099 --> 00:59:01,294 # He knows changes aren't permanent # 1057 00:59:02,435 --> 00:59:04,426 # But change is # 1058 00:59:05,005 --> 00:59:07,633 Suddenly we were on the radio everywhere that summer. 1059 00:59:07,741 --> 00:59:09,106 Our concert audiences doubled. 1060 00:59:09,209 --> 00:59:12,269 You could picture it in the high-school halls, "Are you gonna see Rush?" 1061 00:59:12,379 --> 00:59:15,974 "Oh, yeah, man. I'm going." We were that band that year. 1062 00:59:16,082 --> 00:59:19,210 We were playing 120, 130 cities in America. 1063 00:59:19,319 --> 00:59:21,583 We were going back to places where, 1064 00:59:21,688 --> 00:59:24,020 if we were a theatre act at the start of that tour, 1065 00:59:24,124 --> 00:59:25,182 by the end of that cycle 1066 00:59:25,291 --> 00:59:28,226 we'd gone back to those places and we were in the arena. 1067 00:59:28,328 --> 00:59:31,957 Their latest release, Moving Pictures, is number one on Toronto's album charts 1068 00:59:32,065 --> 00:59:34,659 and they're close to selling out an unprecedented three nights 1069 00:59:34,768 --> 00:59:36,360 at the full Maple Leaf Gardens. 1070 00:59:36,469 --> 00:59:38,027 Here's a cut from Moving Pictures, 1071 00:59:38,138 --> 00:59:40,698 platinum after only four weeks of release. 1072 00:59:40,807 --> 00:59:44,004 # Suddenly ahead of me # 1073 00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:47,136 # Across the mountainside # 1074 00:59:47,247 --> 00:59:49,875 # A gleaming alloy air-car # 1075 00:59:49,983 --> 00:59:53,544 # Shoots towards me, two lanes wide # 1076 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:57,849 # I spin around with shrieking tires # 1077 00:59:57,957 --> 00:59:59,686 # To run the deadly race # 1078 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,724 # Go screaming through the valley # 1079 01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:07,459 # As another joins the chase # 1080 01:00:28,221 --> 01:00:29,984 # Drive like the wind # 1081 01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:33,582 # Straining the limits of machine and man # 1082 01:00:34,994 --> 01:00:37,963 # Laughing out loud with fear and hope # 1083 01:00:38,064 --> 01:00:40,555 # I've got a desperate plan # 1084 01:00:41,401 --> 01:00:42,925 # At the one-lane bridge # 1085 01:00:43,036 --> 01:00:46,767 # I leave the giants stranded at the riverside # 1086 01:00:47,974 --> 01:00:50,067 # Race back to the farm # 1087 01:00:50,176 --> 01:00:54,169 # To dream with my uncle at the fireside # 1088 01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:20,467 Moving Pictures was a mixed blessing to me, in retrospect, 1089 01:01:20,573 --> 01:01:22,598 for me, personally in my life. 1090 01:01:22,709 --> 01:01:25,177 A lot of strange people came out of the woodwork. 1091 01:01:25,278 --> 01:01:29,009 There was so much attention on us at that time, that was transitory. 1092 01:01:29,115 --> 01:01:30,742 Generally, we were pretty private 1093 01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:33,580 and I think Moving Pictures was the turning point 1094 01:01:33,686 --> 01:01:36,314 when there was a lot of pressure from fans wanting a piece of you 1095 01:01:36,422 --> 01:01:39,186 or believing they were connected to you in some other way. 1096 01:01:39,292 --> 01:01:42,227 There was a time when we first started getting recognized 1097 01:01:42,328 --> 01:01:44,023 that I got a little touchy about it 1098 01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:46,621 and I remember I started thinking about this thing, 1099 01:01:46,733 --> 01:01:48,758 about fame and how you deal with it. 1100 01:01:48,868 --> 01:01:50,267 That was kind of an epiphany 1101 01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:52,964 and I said to myself, "I'm gonna go where I want to go 1102 01:01:53,072 --> 01:01:56,337 "and if somebody comes up to me and is nice and wants an autograph, 1103 01:01:56,442 --> 01:01:58,342 "I got time for them. It's no big deal." 1104 01:01:58,444 --> 01:01:59,877 Geddy, right? 1105 01:01:59,979 --> 01:02:01,378 That's right. 1106 01:02:01,481 --> 01:02:03,676 Oh my God, that's Geddy? 1107 01:02:03,783 --> 01:02:04,750 Yeah! 1108 01:02:04,851 --> 01:02:07,149 - Just making a video of them. - No problem. 1109 01:02:09,022 --> 01:02:11,013 - One is to... - Sorry. 1110 01:02:12,025 --> 01:02:15,051 - One is to Shawny. - Didn't mean to get in your way. Sorry. 1111 01:02:15,161 --> 01:02:16,822 The first one is to Shawny. 1112 01:02:18,264 --> 01:02:20,095 And the next one's to Troy. 1113 01:02:22,869 --> 01:02:25,667 Thank you. That's it, I promise. I'm so sorry... 1114 01:02:25,772 --> 01:02:28,605 You want his too? He's the leader of the group. 1115 01:02:31,611 --> 01:02:34,171 I can walk around the city and get recognized from time to time, 1116 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,578 Geddy more so. He's got a very distinctive look about him. 1117 01:02:36,683 --> 01:02:39,618 But generally people are very polite, they don't want too much from you. 1118 01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,552 I understand that these are your fans that just love what you do. 1119 01:02:42,655 --> 01:02:44,384 There's been a moment in their lives 1120 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:46,515 where your music has been so important to them 1121 01:02:46,626 --> 01:02:48,992 that to take a couple of minutes and just chat, 1122 01:02:49,095 --> 01:02:51,563 shake a hand or hug or something, it's not a big deal. 1123 01:02:51,664 --> 01:02:53,097 I remember when I met them, 1124 01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:56,327 I was just struck by Geddy Lee and Lifeson's friendship, 1125 01:02:56,436 --> 01:02:58,666 it seemed like they had a real deep bond. 1126 01:02:58,771 --> 01:03:00,762 Real playful and sort of goofy, 1127 01:03:00,874 --> 01:03:03,900 it just seemed like there was a lot of joy there, a lot of genuine fun. 1128 01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:08,709 And then I turned the corner and then I saw the master, Neil Peart. 1129 01:03:08,815 --> 01:03:10,874 He had, sort of, a different vibe going, 1130 01:03:10,984 --> 01:03:13,885 just as focused but a brewing intensity. 1131 01:03:13,987 --> 01:03:16,251 Little wisps of darkness. 1132 01:03:16,356 --> 01:03:20,793 Neil has a real struggle with fans and it's not a personal thing. 1133 01:03:20,894 --> 01:03:22,225 It's a shyness thing. 1134 01:03:22,328 --> 01:03:26,594 He's not able to be as relaxed around strangers as Alex or I am. 1135 01:03:26,699 --> 01:03:29,725 You know, he doesn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings by it, 1136 01:03:29,836 --> 01:03:33,272 he's not trying to be rude, he's just not comfortable. 1137 01:03:33,373 --> 01:03:35,568 OK, I was the world's biggest Who fan as a kid. 1138 01:03:35,675 --> 01:03:39,008 I never dreamed of trying to find their hotel and knocking on their doors 1139 01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:42,172 or interfering in their lives in any way, that I don't understand. 1140 01:03:42,282 --> 01:03:43,749 I love being appreciated, 1141 01:03:43,850 --> 01:03:45,647 being respected is awfully good 1142 01:03:45,752 --> 01:03:48,812 but anything beyond that just creeps me out, you know. 1143 01:03:48,922 --> 01:03:51,152 Any sense of adulation is just so wrong. 1144 01:03:51,257 --> 01:03:53,020 I got a chance to go meet Neil Peart 1145 01:03:53,126 --> 01:03:57,256 and I got brought into a room and I started to tell him, "Hey, I'm the hugest fan ever," 1146 01:03:57,363 --> 01:03:59,957 and I got, sort of, "the Neil Peart cold shoulder" 1147 01:04:00,066 --> 01:04:02,000 and the security guard removed me from the room. 1148 01:04:02,101 --> 01:04:03,796 It was a weird uncomfortable situation. 1149 01:04:03,903 --> 01:04:06,997 I love Neil Peart even though he totally blacklisted me. 1150 01:04:07,106 --> 01:04:10,371 But I don't know, if I was Neil Peart and I walked in the room, 1151 01:04:10,476 --> 01:04:12,603 I would probably want to remove me too. 1152 01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:16,840 Neil was great. A very intense man but very... you know. 1153 01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:21,353 His line, "I can't pretend a stranger is a long-awaited friend," that's Neil. 1154 01:04:21,454 --> 01:04:24,287 When people have a fantasy, I don't want to trample on it, 1155 01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:25,857 but I also don't want to live it 1156 01:04:25,959 --> 01:04:29,554 and people can think that I'm antisocial or a sourpuss, it's really not. 1157 01:04:29,662 --> 01:04:31,721 It doesn't make me mad, it embarrasses me. 1158 01:04:31,831 --> 01:04:34,061 The other guys are obviously comfortable with it 1159 01:04:34,167 --> 01:04:36,032 and they do the meets and greets every night 1160 01:04:36,135 --> 01:04:37,466 and that's fine, they can do it. 1161 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,704 One, two, three... 1162 01:04:44,344 --> 01:04:45,641 One, two, three... 1163 01:04:46,012 --> 01:04:47,775 One, two, three... 1164 01:04:49,015 --> 01:04:51,142 Thank you. It's lovely meeting you. 1165 01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:53,343 I am so appreciative of our fans. 1166 01:04:53,453 --> 01:04:55,387 I bless their hearts every single day, 1167 01:04:55,488 --> 01:04:57,422 but they're hard to analyze as a group 1168 01:04:57,523 --> 01:04:59,252 because they're so different. 1169 01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:00,690 We have hard-core fans. 1170 01:05:00,793 --> 01:05:03,853 The old fans that have been there from the beginning, 1171 01:05:03,963 --> 01:05:06,864 they're usually male and they are really intense. 1172 01:05:14,674 --> 01:05:18,872 In the early stages it was very young, almost 100% male. 1173 01:05:18,978 --> 01:05:20,570 And then, as the years went by, 1174 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,478 it remained 100% male. 1175 01:05:23,583 --> 01:05:26,711 Chicks did not really dig it, you know. 1176 01:05:26,819 --> 01:05:31,586 I still don't put on Caress Of Steel that often with my wife around. 1177 01:05:32,792 --> 01:05:34,191 Whoo! 1178 01:05:37,363 --> 01:05:40,389 Tonight is my 113th Rush show. 1179 01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:44,027 The last time I missed a show anywhere in Europe was on the Signals tour. 1180 01:05:44,137 --> 01:05:45,866 Tonight will be the seventh on this tour. 1181 01:05:45,972 --> 01:05:49,567 I've been to two in America, one in Canada, did all six on the last UK tour. 1182 01:05:49,675 --> 01:05:51,734 My name's Pete, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio. 1183 01:05:51,844 --> 01:05:54,404 I just had my 100th show in Stockholm. 1184 01:05:54,514 --> 01:05:57,483 # You can choose from phantom fears # 1185 01:05:57,583 --> 01:06:00,814 # And kindness that can kill # 1186 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,014 # I will choose a path that's clear # 1187 01:06:04,123 --> 01:06:06,717 # I will choose free will # 1188 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,994 Rush fans are like Nascar fans. They ain't going anywhere. 1189 01:06:10,096 --> 01:06:12,587 They're brand loyalty. They are a cult band. 1190 01:06:12,698 --> 01:06:13,995 When you go to a Rush concert, 1191 01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,534 there ain't anybody leaving it till the song is over. 1192 01:06:16,636 --> 01:06:19,104 They're waiting for their favorite part, they're nudging their friend, 1193 01:06:19,205 --> 01:06:21,605 they're going, "Look, he played it perfect." They're riveted to the band. 1194 01:06:21,707 --> 01:06:25,074 The band have that relationship with their audience, 1195 01:06:25,178 --> 01:06:29,410 where their audience really feel like the Rush lyrics communicate to them, 1196 01:06:29,515 --> 01:06:32,746 make them feel like their experience is heard. 1197 01:06:32,852 --> 01:06:36,310 I have this memory of sitting in the basement with my mother. 1198 01:06:36,422 --> 01:06:40,882 I actually said to her, "I wanna play you a song." 1199 01:06:40,993 --> 01:06:43,518 And it was very hard to ever get my parents' attention or anything 1200 01:06:43,629 --> 01:06:44,857 so it was, like, a big deal. 1201 01:06:44,964 --> 01:06:47,660 "Will you please sit here and I wanna play you a song." 1202 01:06:47,767 --> 01:06:49,325 And I played Entre Nous 1203 01:06:49,435 --> 01:06:53,929 and I gave her the lyric sheet because I wanted her to understand 1204 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,806 that this song was connecting with me on some level. 1205 01:06:57,910 --> 01:07:00,242 When I was sixteen years old, I wasn't as emotionally open. 1206 01:07:00,346 --> 01:07:02,007 I was very withdrawn, 1207 01:07:02,115 --> 01:07:04,515 so something about that song allowed me to say, 1208 01:07:04,617 --> 01:07:07,279 "Somehow this song is almost like it's written for me." 1209 01:07:07,386 --> 01:07:09,320 Music, when you're growing up, is such a strong part of like... 1210 01:07:09,422 --> 01:07:11,390 "What do you like? What's your identity?" 1211 01:07:11,491 --> 01:07:13,652 Rush seemed to be just a complete added dimension 1212 01:07:13,759 --> 01:07:16,887 of not being obsessed with girls and hair and shit like that. 1213 01:07:16,996 --> 01:07:20,523 They seemed to be kind of smart and, fancying myself as a really smart kid, 1214 01:07:20,633 --> 01:07:21,895 I was like, "Oh, that's my deal." 1215 01:07:22,001 --> 01:07:26,734 # Not so clearly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty # 1216 01:07:27,874 --> 01:07:29,739 # Yeah, your honesty # 1217 01:07:30,776 --> 01:07:34,542 # Glittering prizes and endless compromises # 1218 01:07:34,647 --> 01:07:38,139 # Shatter the illusion of integrity, yeah # 1219 01:07:38,251 --> 01:07:40,151 Dum, tss, mm! 1220 01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:42,653 I mean, when you're hearing lyrics like that 1221 01:07:42,755 --> 01:07:46,953 that are so earnest and sincere, talking about honesty in art 1222 01:07:47,059 --> 01:07:50,222 and asking some of the tougher intellectual questions, 1223 01:07:50,329 --> 01:07:52,263 with that great music behind it, 1224 01:07:52,365 --> 01:07:57,268 they really offered something in rock that was in short supply. 1225 01:07:57,370 --> 01:08:00,965 And plus they sang in French on Circumstances. 1226 01:08:01,073 --> 01:08:04,839 "Plus c'est la m�me, plus c'est la m�me chose." 1227 01:08:04,944 --> 01:08:07,504 That was pretty tricky, you didn't hear that on any Kiss records. 1228 01:08:07,613 --> 01:08:09,604 It's like, the dude is singing in French now. 1229 01:08:09,715 --> 01:08:11,706 I can't even figure out his English! 1230 01:08:11,817 --> 01:08:15,218 It wasn't for everybody, and it wasn't necessarily cool. 1231 01:08:15,321 --> 01:08:20,258 You were kind of like a Rush geek, a music nerd, a kind of nerd, 1232 01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,452 and it was sort of nerdy music I suppose. 1233 01:08:26,065 --> 01:08:29,466 # Growing up, it all seems so one-sided # 1234 01:08:29,569 --> 01:08:32,436 # Opinions all provided # 1235 01:08:32,538 --> 01:08:35,598 # The future predecided # 1236 01:08:35,708 --> 01:08:38,370 # Detached and subdivided # 1237 01:08:38,477 --> 01:08:41,469 # In the mass-production zone # 1238 01:08:42,615 --> 01:08:48,554 # Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone # 1239 01:08:49,255 --> 01:08:52,622 You listen to Subdivisions and it just seemed like, exactly my life. 1240 01:08:52,725 --> 01:08:55,694 You know, I was that kid who was watching the car 1241 01:08:55,795 --> 01:08:57,626 drive away with all the cool kids 1242 01:08:57,730 --> 01:08:59,925 going off to a party that I wasn't invited to. 1243 01:09:00,032 --> 01:09:02,967 It was just nice to feel like there was a rock song out there 1244 01:09:03,069 --> 01:09:05,799 that spoke to my experience of trying to be cool 1245 01:09:05,905 --> 01:09:09,898 and worrying about being cast out of a group of friends if you weren't cool. 1246 01:09:10,009 --> 01:09:10,976 I wasn't very cool, 1247 01:09:11,077 --> 01:09:14,171 but luckily I had a group of friends that was equally not cool. 1248 01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,613 I lived in a housing development, suburbia backyard barbecues, 1249 01:09:17,717 --> 01:09:21,175 a lot of the stuff that, I think, most American kids can relate to. 1250 01:09:21,287 --> 01:09:22,777 I remember watching the video, 1251 01:09:22,888 --> 01:09:25,288 and I'm like, "Damn, that represents me, right there." 1252 01:09:25,391 --> 01:09:28,417 This one person walking around, not really being in a group, 1253 01:09:28,527 --> 01:09:32,224 it seemed like it was this person that nobody really could relate to. 1254 01:09:32,698 --> 01:09:36,293 - # Subdivisions # - # In the high-school halls # 1255 01:09:36,402 --> 01:09:38,597 # In the shopping malls # 1256 01:09:38,704 --> 01:09:41,832 - # Conform or be cast out # - # Subdivisions # 1257 01:09:41,941 --> 01:09:43,203 The thing I loved about Neil 1258 01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:46,244 was he took very complex, metaphysical themes 1259 01:09:46,345 --> 01:09:49,314 and he was able to put them in a way that everybody could understand. 1260 01:09:49,415 --> 01:09:51,349 And whether he was ripping off Shakespeare 1261 01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:54,112 or he was quoting his own heart, 1262 01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:56,950 he was able to do it in a way that never felt snobby. 1263 01:09:57,056 --> 01:09:59,854 It always felt like he was in the room talking to you. 1264 01:09:59,959 --> 01:10:02,393 Words can carry different freight for different people, of course. 1265 01:10:02,495 --> 01:10:04,463 But those who do have the sensitivity 1266 01:10:04,563 --> 01:10:07,964 to pay the kind of attention to lyrics that I put into them, 1267 01:10:08,067 --> 01:10:09,659 it's wonderful to connect that way, 1268 01:10:09,769 --> 01:10:12,033 to feel that you're not playing down to anyone. 1269 01:10:12,138 --> 01:10:15,596 We always had the impression that people are just as smart as we are, 1270 01:10:15,708 --> 01:10:18,040 so if we can figure this stuff out, they can too. 1271 01:10:18,144 --> 01:10:21,307 And we're not being that terrible, damning word, pretentious. 1272 01:10:21,414 --> 01:10:22,972 We're not pretending anything. 1273 01:10:23,082 --> 01:10:25,016 This is really what turned us on this year. 1274 01:10:25,117 --> 01:10:29,486 Lyrically, it's always been a reflection of my times and the times I observe. 1275 01:10:29,588 --> 01:10:31,317 But everyone is a reflection of me. 1276 01:10:43,202 --> 01:10:46,763 We could have gone in and done Moving Pictures all over again 1277 01:10:46,872 --> 01:10:51,866 but we're too curious, we're too dissatisfied with where we're at 1278 01:10:51,977 --> 01:10:54,912 and just because we got successful doesn't mean we're going to stop. 1279 01:10:55,014 --> 01:10:58,506 And that's the motivation. We have to find the better Rush. 1280 01:10:58,617 --> 01:11:00,983 There was a big shift happening on Signals, 1281 01:11:01,087 --> 01:11:03,920 the keyboards were becoming more and more important, 1282 01:11:04,023 --> 01:11:05,786 from Geddy's standpoint that is. 1283 01:11:05,891 --> 01:11:08,655 And also, one of the biggest things at that point for me 1284 01:11:08,761 --> 01:11:10,558 was Neil getting into the electronic drum kit. 1285 01:11:10,663 --> 01:11:11,994 It didn't really appeal to me. 1286 01:11:12,098 --> 01:11:16,728 I wanted to still have that element of the basic acoustic band. 1287 01:11:16,836 --> 01:11:19,669 We'd been working with Terry for ten years at that point 1288 01:11:19,772 --> 01:11:21,535 and we really felt the need to expand 1289 01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,006 and see what it was like to work with other people 1290 01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:27,045 and it was a very tough transition because we were so close. 1291 01:11:27,146 --> 01:11:29,137 Terry was like the fourth member of the band. 1292 01:11:29,248 --> 01:11:32,183 It was Neil who broke the news to me on the bus and he said, 1293 01:11:32,284 --> 01:11:34,912 "Just think of it like a boyfriend and girlfriend, 1294 01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:38,387 "they want to split up for a while, have a break from each other." 1295 01:11:38,491 --> 01:11:39,719 I was surprised 1296 01:11:39,825 --> 01:11:43,420 because I figured we would figure it out and we'd move to the next level. 1297 01:11:43,529 --> 01:11:45,588 But it was time for a change 1298 01:11:45,698 --> 01:11:48,826 and I didn't really want to do an electronic band, 1299 01:11:48,934 --> 01:11:51,164 which is where I thought it was going. 1300 01:12:03,482 --> 01:12:06,246 # An ill wind comes arising # 1301 01:12:06,352 --> 01:12:08,547 # Across the cities of the plain # 1302 01:12:09,688 --> 01:12:12,213 # There's no swimming in the heavy water # 1303 01:12:12,324 --> 01:12:15,225 # No singing in the acid rain # 1304 01:12:15,327 --> 01:12:17,090 # Red alert, red alert # 1305 01:12:17,196 --> 01:12:18,857 # Red alert # 1306 01:12:18,964 --> 01:12:21,933 To be honest with you, I'd never really heard of Rush in England. 1307 01:12:22,034 --> 01:12:23,524 I was a pop producer, 1308 01:12:23,636 --> 01:12:24,728 so I was kind of bemused 1309 01:12:24,837 --> 01:12:27,067 when I got the call to come and produce them. 1310 01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:30,006 I was coming from that whole British '80s music scene. 1311 01:12:30,109 --> 01:12:31,906 I was trying to bring them into line 1312 01:12:32,011 --> 01:12:35,310 with what I perceived to be the contemporary, modern pop music, 1313 01:12:35,414 --> 01:12:37,814 the new technology, the new keyboard sounds. 1314 01:12:37,917 --> 01:12:39,509 We all loved the music of that time. 1315 01:12:39,618 --> 01:12:40,710 We were young enough too, 1316 01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:43,482 and we didn't have any protective nature of what Rush was 1317 01:12:43,589 --> 01:12:46,854 that they could never be allowed to be influenced by new-wave music 1318 01:12:46,959 --> 01:12:48,392 or could never use an African rhythm. 1319 01:12:48,494 --> 01:12:50,792 There was no such thing as "That doesn't suit Rush." 1320 01:12:50,896 --> 01:12:52,625 Those words have never been uttered. 1321 01:12:58,571 --> 01:13:00,937 # Ragged lines of ragged gray # 1322 01:13:02,675 --> 01:13:06,509 # Skeletons, they shuffle away # 1323 01:13:06,612 --> 01:13:09,479 # Shouting guards and smoking guns # 1324 01:13:10,015 --> 01:13:12,643 # Will cut down the unlucky ones # 1325 01:13:14,987 --> 01:13:20,118 Synthesizers and technology became a way of sparking your creativity. 1326 01:13:20,226 --> 01:13:22,990 I liked it because my need to write melodies 1327 01:13:23,095 --> 01:13:25,461 is more satisfied writing on a keyboard. 1328 01:13:25,564 --> 01:13:27,862 As a songwriter, you're always looking for an angle 1329 01:13:27,967 --> 01:13:29,195 to give you something fresh. 1330 01:13:29,301 --> 01:13:31,064 Coming from a trained keyboard background, 1331 01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:34,731 you always felt kinda left out in the rock world 1332 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,365 because keyboards really weren't that cool. 1333 01:13:37,476 --> 01:13:38,807 Rush was one of those bands 1334 01:13:38,911 --> 01:13:41,209 that the way they started integrating synths 1335 01:13:41,313 --> 01:13:42,803 seemed wildly exciting to me. 1336 01:13:42,915 --> 01:13:46,681 Wow, this can actually fill the role of what a guitar player would have done, 1337 01:13:46,785 --> 01:13:49,151 eats up the mid-range rhythm-section space. 1338 01:13:49,255 --> 01:13:51,018 I'd be hard pressed to think of another... 1339 01:13:51,123 --> 01:13:52,715 someone else who's done it like that. 1340 01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:57,285 Once the keyboards and the shorter songs became more of their sound, 1341 01:13:57,396 --> 01:14:00,194 that's when I kind of moved on to other things. 1342 01:14:00,299 --> 01:14:02,733 I didn't like it and I still really don't like it that much. 1343 01:14:02,835 --> 01:14:05,531 And Geddy would spend a lot of time on the keyboard 1344 01:14:05,638 --> 01:14:07,367 and, as a bass player, I love the bass, 1345 01:14:07,473 --> 01:14:10,567 and so when my favorite bass player's playing the keyboards, 1346 01:14:10,676 --> 01:14:12,405 I'm not that psyched about it. 1347 01:14:12,511 --> 01:14:15,378 I loved the idea of the keyboards when we first started. 1348 01:14:15,481 --> 01:14:18,279 I think as that part of our sound developed, 1349 01:14:18,384 --> 01:14:23,913 there were times where we just got on the wrong track. 1350 01:14:24,023 --> 01:14:26,719 Alex and I had some real disagreements 1351 01:14:26,825 --> 01:14:29,953 about how profound the keyboard should be. 1352 01:14:30,062 --> 01:14:32,963 But Power Windows is a really important record 1353 01:14:33,065 --> 01:14:36,933 because it was the final and essential blending 1354 01:14:37,036 --> 01:14:39,971 of keyboards and guitar to me, for Rush. 1355 01:14:40,072 --> 01:14:43,132 With Power Windows, I found it really, really difficult 1356 01:14:43,242 --> 01:14:46,177 to work around the way the keyboards were developing. 1357 01:14:46,278 --> 01:14:49,008 Why am I looking for a different place? 1358 01:14:49,114 --> 01:14:50,775 I shouldn't be looking for a different place. 1359 01:14:50,883 --> 01:14:53,443 What's going on with these keyboards? 1360 01:14:53,552 --> 01:14:56,749 You know, they're not even real. It's not even a real instrument. 1361 01:14:56,855 --> 01:14:59,881 # The more we think we know about # 1362 01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:03,493 # The greater the unknown # 1363 01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:07,863 # We suspend our disbelief # 1364 01:15:08,667 --> 01:15:11,761 # And we are not alone # 1365 01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:14,668 # Mystic rhythms # 1366 01:15:16,842 --> 01:15:18,639 # Capture my thoughts # 1367 01:15:18,744 --> 01:15:21,907 # And carry them away # 1368 01:15:22,781 --> 01:15:26,979 I love the synthesizers and I think it's as important as any of their other work. 1369 01:15:27,086 --> 01:15:28,815 The ultimate thing that people were saying 1370 01:15:28,921 --> 01:15:31,412 was they kind of moved somewhat away from the rock 1371 01:15:31,523 --> 01:15:34,356 and they got a little bit more in the middle of what they did. 1372 01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:38,021 To me, Rush middle of the road is still somebody else's left field. 1373 01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:41,691 Certain periods of Rush are more universal than other periods. 1374 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,327 Now, you could say on the one hand that maybe they're better records. 1375 01:15:45,437 --> 01:15:47,166 Maybe that's the best Rush. 1376 01:15:47,272 --> 01:15:51,766 Moving Pictures got us into a much broader world of rock fans 1377 01:15:51,877 --> 01:15:55,040 and when there was a shift, we lost some of those people. 1378 01:15:55,147 --> 01:15:59,049 But we realized after time that there was a core of our fan base 1379 01:15:59,151 --> 01:16:03,645 that was as curious as to where we were going as we were. 1380 01:16:03,756 --> 01:16:07,089 Those are the ones that have sustained us through all these years. 1381 01:16:07,192 --> 01:16:08,124 I can't fault them 1382 01:16:08,227 --> 01:16:13,062 for not wanting to be a prog rock band for another 15 years. 1383 01:16:13,165 --> 01:16:15,759 They had different periods, that's what makes them interesting. 1384 01:16:22,675 --> 01:16:25,940 # Time stand still # 1385 01:16:26,045 --> 01:16:29,708 # I'm not looking back but I want to look around me now # 1386 01:16:29,815 --> 01:16:32,215 # Time stand still # 1387 01:16:33,018 --> 01:16:37,785 # See more of the people and the places that surround me now # 1388 01:16:38,891 --> 01:16:40,882 # Time stand still # 1389 01:16:42,795 --> 01:16:45,263 Hold your Fire was the record that told me 1390 01:16:45,364 --> 01:16:47,958 that there was a shift in the way we were writing, 1391 01:16:48,067 --> 01:16:50,035 pushing us away from rock. 1392 01:16:50,135 --> 01:16:54,970 It was starting to move into a jazzier, softer kind of tonal area. 1393 01:16:55,074 --> 01:16:59,704 Things can go too far in any one direction and we correct ourselves and eventually go, 1394 01:16:59,812 --> 01:17:02,110 "We tried to go along this way but it's too much." 1395 01:17:02,214 --> 01:17:04,205 That was the first thing I said on the first meeting. 1396 01:17:04,316 --> 01:17:06,580 It seems absolutely crazy to me 1397 01:17:06,685 --> 01:17:09,779 that one of the few remaining power trios on this planet, 1398 01:17:09,888 --> 01:17:11,378 guitar, bass and drums, 1399 01:17:11,490 --> 01:17:12,923 are smothered in keyboards. 1400 01:17:13,025 --> 01:17:17,655 And I said, "My interest is to get you back to being a power trio, but a modern take. 1401 01:17:17,763 --> 01:17:23,065 "We'll just find out what that contemporary definition of power trio really is." 1402 01:17:44,923 --> 01:17:47,255 Alex particularly wanted to assert guitar more 1403 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:50,089 as the dominant instrument and push the keyboards aside 1404 01:17:50,195 --> 01:17:52,857 and Geddy and I went, "OK, we can do that." 1405 01:17:52,965 --> 01:17:54,159 Alex was pretty... 1406 01:17:56,802 --> 01:17:59,737 "Let's have a concept, let's not have keyboards." 1407 01:17:59,838 --> 01:18:01,203 And I went along with it. 1408 01:18:01,306 --> 01:18:03,638 I was a little bit sad. 1409 01:18:03,742 --> 01:18:07,109 Presto and Roll The Bones for me were very much indicative 1410 01:18:07,212 --> 01:18:09,305 of what was going on in the '80s. 1411 01:18:09,414 --> 01:18:12,611 They were thin-sounding records, they didn't have any balls to them. 1412 01:18:12,718 --> 01:18:16,620 So when I got in there I was kind of hell-bent on making a heavy record. 1413 01:18:16,722 --> 01:18:18,155 The Caveman pushed us. 1414 01:18:18,257 --> 01:18:22,125 He wanted me to use my Fender bass, go through old Ampeg amps 1415 01:18:22,227 --> 01:18:25,025 and record it old school. Everything was old school. 1416 01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:30,693 There were battles, because every engineer wants Alex to play without his pedals 1417 01:18:30,803 --> 01:18:33,533 and all his own synthesizers that he plugs into. 1418 01:18:33,639 --> 01:18:36,836 Alex would ask for his fridge of effects and I would say, "No." 1419 01:18:36,942 --> 01:18:39,877 And he'd say, "I want reverb," and I would say, "No." 1420 01:18:39,978 --> 01:18:43,106 He'd say, "I fucking want reverb! If I want reverb, then I want reverb." 1421 01:18:43,215 --> 01:18:47,174 I'm like, "No, you sound terrible with reverb, you're not having any reverb." 1422 01:18:47,286 --> 01:18:51,450 So we ended up going to a bar and drinking about five bottles of Scotch, 1423 01:18:51,557 --> 01:18:54,025 had terrible hangovers the next day, but we ironed it out. 1424 01:18:54,126 --> 01:18:56,060 We had a lot of "few drinks together" 1425 01:18:56,161 --> 01:18:58,220 and I know what Kevin was going for and he's right. 1426 01:18:58,330 --> 01:18:59,888 Counterparts turned out to be 1427 01:18:59,998 --> 01:19:02,865 the record that we envisioned when we first started working on it. 1428 01:19:02,968 --> 01:19:06,369 The songs were thicker and more hair on them. 1429 01:19:06,471 --> 01:19:08,439 That record was a big turning point 1430 01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:11,907 in reconnecting with the kind of rock-and-roll guts of Rush. 1431 01:19:13,078 --> 01:19:15,012 # Compensate me # 1432 01:19:17,349 --> 01:19:19,476 # Animate me # 1433 01:19:21,386 --> 01:19:23,877 # Complicate me # 1434 01:19:23,989 --> 01:19:26,822 # Elevate me # 1435 01:19:29,061 --> 01:19:31,621 The opening song, Animate, I think is one of our all-time best. 1436 01:19:31,730 --> 01:19:33,823 I love the drive of it, I love the arrangement. 1437 01:19:33,932 --> 01:19:36,560 But I was starting to get conflicted about my own drumming at that point. 1438 01:19:36,668 --> 01:19:38,829 I'd been working so much with sequencers 1439 01:19:38,937 --> 01:19:40,905 and with click tracks for so many years, 1440 01:19:41,006 --> 01:19:43,566 and I had developed really good precision of time, 1441 01:19:43,675 --> 01:19:46,735 but I felt a stiffness because of that metronomic need. 1442 01:19:46,845 --> 01:19:49,279 I didn't have the looseness that I wanted to hear 1443 01:19:49,381 --> 01:19:50,405 out of my own playing. 1444 01:19:50,515 --> 01:19:53,279 After so many years of being an amazing player, 1445 01:19:53,385 --> 01:19:57,481 Neil could have clearly just decided not to play drums 1446 01:19:57,589 --> 01:20:00,080 until it was time to go play a Rush show. 1447 01:20:00,192 --> 01:20:02,922 But instead, he cared enough about what he did 1448 01:20:03,028 --> 01:20:05,588 to try and break down his current technique 1449 01:20:05,697 --> 01:20:09,997 and work with Freddie Gruber and, sort of, reinvent his playing style. 1450 01:20:17,009 --> 01:20:19,637 I was in New York doing a Buddy Rich tribute recording. 1451 01:20:19,745 --> 01:20:21,679 Over that recording session in New York, 1452 01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:24,442 I met Freddie and had dinner and got curious... 1453 01:20:24,549 --> 01:20:26,449 What would it be like to study with a guy like that? 1454 01:20:26,551 --> 01:20:29,418 And I had the time so I thought, "Yes, I'm gonna try this." 1455 01:20:29,521 --> 01:20:32,957 Not to make it sound easy, because when I studied with Freddie I asked myself, 1456 01:20:33,058 --> 01:20:35,288 "Can I really do this? Will I have the discipline?" 1457 01:20:35,394 --> 01:20:37,157 It's a huge commitment. 1458 01:20:37,262 --> 01:20:40,663 Can you tell me about when you met Neil? Your first impressions? 1459 01:20:40,766 --> 01:20:45,169 He was easy because he wasn't nuts. 1460 01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:48,967 And I was, you know, and it was, like... it was fun. 1461 01:20:49,074 --> 01:20:51,542 Didn't have to go to some strange land. 1462 01:20:51,643 --> 01:20:53,508 We never played the drums. 1463 01:20:53,612 --> 01:20:55,546 We talked about motion 1464 01:20:55,647 --> 01:20:58,775 and told a lot of stories and did some dancing... 1465 01:20:58,884 --> 01:21:00,749 We were behind a set of drums 1466 01:21:00,852 --> 01:21:06,222 because the approach to what you do results in what you get. You understand? 1467 01:21:06,325 --> 01:21:07,849 Freddie is all about the motion 1468 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:12,659 and it was all about the motion of the hands and feet that contributed to a dance. 1469 01:21:12,764 --> 01:21:13,992 One of the first things he did 1470 01:21:14,099 --> 01:21:17,262 was stand up and do a little soft-shoe dance for me and saying, 1471 01:21:17,369 --> 01:21:19,963 "When you're doing that, is that dance happening on the floor? 1472 01:21:20,072 --> 01:21:21,369 "No, it's happening in the air." 1473 01:21:21,473 --> 01:21:23,065 So these were revelations to me 1474 01:21:23,175 --> 01:21:26,633 to start thinking about not just the hit but the motions between. 1475 01:21:26,745 --> 01:21:29,839 - Time is linear, it's not... - Dah! Pah! 1476 01:21:31,116 --> 01:21:33,277 It's like a pogo stick, you know. 1477 01:21:33,385 --> 01:21:35,319 A lot of pop music is played like that. 1478 01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:37,718 It's extremely vertical. 1479 01:21:37,823 --> 01:21:40,690 It's like people slapping water when they swim. 1480 01:21:40,792 --> 01:21:42,987 - Mm. Yeah. - It doesn't... 1481 01:21:43,095 --> 01:21:45,393 - Inefficient motion. ...breathe. 1482 01:21:45,497 --> 01:21:49,263 Put it this way, you could have a beautiful body and look marvelous... 1483 01:21:49,368 --> 01:21:51,268 Thank you. 1484 01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:56,871 ...but if you're not breathing, it's not alive. 1485 01:21:58,710 --> 01:22:02,009 You know, so you got to at least put the breath in there, huh? 1486 01:22:02,114 --> 01:22:04,446 I can play a simple beat now completely different 1487 01:22:04,549 --> 01:22:07,575 from how I would have played that simple beat 15 years ago. 1488 01:22:09,521 --> 01:22:10,852 Not that. 1489 01:22:15,227 --> 01:22:16,387 There you go. 1490 01:22:16,495 --> 01:22:20,090 It takes a lot of courage being a drummer the stature that Neil Peart is 1491 01:22:20,198 --> 01:22:22,598 to be able to say, "I can improve." 1492 01:22:22,701 --> 01:22:23,895 And when he came back out, 1493 01:22:24,002 --> 01:22:26,698 and made his appearances after working with Freddie 1494 01:22:26,805 --> 01:22:28,830 and he turned his grip around, his traditional grip, 1495 01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:31,272 he had a different approach, was so much more relaxed. 1496 01:22:31,376 --> 01:22:34,140 That was the most refreshing thing you could have seen, 1497 01:22:34,246 --> 01:22:36,441 is that your hero could also still learn, 1498 01:22:36,548 --> 01:22:38,140 that they weren't just done. 1499 01:22:38,250 --> 01:22:40,184 When I worked with my band mates right after that, 1500 01:22:40,285 --> 01:22:43,550 on the Test For Echo songs, the other guys would say, "It still sounds like you," 1501 01:22:43,655 --> 01:22:46,783 at first I was disappointed, but then I thought "Of course it does." 1502 01:22:46,892 --> 01:22:48,655 They thought it sounded the same 1503 01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,753 but when they went to play with me, there was a different clock at work now. 1504 01:22:52,864 --> 01:22:56,061 # Driven day and night in circles # 1505 01:22:57,202 --> 01:23:00,603 # Spinning like a whirlwind of leaves # 1506 01:23:01,673 --> 01:23:04,733 # Stealing in and out of back alleys # 1507 01:23:05,977 --> 01:23:10,175 # Driven to another den of thieves # 1508 01:23:10,282 --> 01:23:13,080 # It's my turn to drive # 1509 01:23:13,752 --> 01:23:17,051 # But it's my turn to drive # 1510 01:23:17,722 --> 01:23:20,486 # Driven to the margin of error # 1511 01:23:21,326 --> 01:23:24,193 # Driven to the edge of control # 1512 01:23:24,896 --> 01:23:28,024 # Driven to the margin of terror # 1513 01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:33,901 # Driven to the edge of a deep, dark hole # 1514 01:23:41,012 --> 01:23:42,445 In mid-August of '97, 1515 01:23:42,547 --> 01:23:45,448 we'd finished the Test For Echo tour earlier that summer 1516 01:23:45,550 --> 01:23:48,951 and there was a message to call the office and it was urgent. 1517 01:23:49,054 --> 01:23:51,522 One of the girls told me what had happened. 1518 01:23:51,623 --> 01:23:55,059 Neil's daughter was in a terrible car accident and lost her life. 1519 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,687 I mean, it was just such a horrible shock. 1520 01:23:58,797 --> 01:24:00,924 It was, and I still feel it today, 1521 01:24:01,032 --> 01:24:05,469 it was the start of a whole lot of emotions that we'd never felt before. 1522 01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:09,973 I had not had a friend who'd gone through anything like this. 1523 01:24:10,075 --> 01:24:15,638 Ray called me and told me about the accident 1524 01:24:15,747 --> 01:24:20,514 and I was just in shock as everyone was. 1525 01:24:20,619 --> 01:24:25,386 You're just so unprepared for how devastating it is 1526 01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:30,894 and you just don't know what to do or how to help or any of that. 1527 01:24:30,996 --> 01:24:33,556 He could be such a private guy 1528 01:24:33,665 --> 01:24:37,931 and when news like this hits, you don't want to do the wrong thing. 1529 01:24:38,036 --> 01:24:40,664 You don't want to try to comfort them 1530 01:24:40,772 --> 01:24:43,639 and find out you're only comforting yourself. 1531 01:24:43,742 --> 01:24:47,109 Everything to do with the band ended at that moment. 1532 01:24:47,212 --> 01:24:49,180 It just didn't seem important. 1533 01:24:49,281 --> 01:24:53,274 It was not something you even thought about thinking about. 1534 01:24:53,385 --> 01:24:55,649 They didn't know what to do with themselves 1535 01:24:55,754 --> 01:24:59,281 so they left Toronto and got away from all those reminders. 1536 01:25:00,725 --> 01:25:02,386 And then Jackie got sick. 1537 01:25:04,930 --> 01:25:10,459 After she passed away, he was lost and so he ran. 1538 01:25:10,569 --> 01:25:12,969 He got on his motorcycle and ran. 1539 01:25:13,071 --> 01:25:16,632 When his wife died, he had to do what he needed to do 1540 01:25:16,741 --> 01:25:19,335 to just find some kind of peace. 1541 01:25:19,444 --> 01:25:21,969 He embarked on a long, very, very painful journey, 1542 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,310 just going and going and going and going. 1543 01:25:31,256 --> 01:25:33,121 Everybody was so worried about me, 1544 01:25:33,225 --> 01:25:35,693 there was a network among my friends and loved ones, 1545 01:25:35,794 --> 01:25:38,524 "I heard from him today," "I got a postcard" or "He called." 1546 01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:40,723 They would all reassure each other. 1547 01:25:40,832 --> 01:25:44,666 Anything could have happened to me even by accident, let alone by design. 1548 01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:48,569 Fuck, we were so worried about him, I just... 1549 01:25:49,207 --> 01:25:51,107 But he... 1550 01:25:51,209 --> 01:25:53,473 you know, he was at arm's length. 1551 01:25:53,578 --> 01:25:55,443 Neil needed time but, to be honest, 1552 01:25:55,547 --> 01:26:00,450 I had no real interest in music for about a year. 1553 01:26:00,552 --> 01:26:03,020 I hardly played... I hardly listened to music. 1554 01:26:03,121 --> 01:26:06,716 We were on sabbatical. We were shut down. 1555 01:26:11,463 --> 01:26:14,660 We're talking about a journey that stretched 55,000 miles 1556 01:26:14,766 --> 01:26:17,428 starting from Quebec and going up to the Arctic 1557 01:26:17,535 --> 01:26:20,265 and around Alaska and onto Mexico, across all of Mexico 1558 01:26:20,372 --> 01:26:23,307 from Baja across the whole Mexican mainland down to Belize. 1559 01:26:23,408 --> 01:26:25,239 I'd go to small towns and the back roads, 1560 01:26:25,343 --> 01:26:27,971 generally stopping for the night in hotels along the way 1561 01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:31,048 and I don't think in that whole 55,000 miles, 1562 01:26:31,149 --> 01:26:33,549 I don't know if I was ever recognized once 1563 01:26:33,652 --> 01:26:36,746 in a little town, at a gas station or a motel or a diner, 1564 01:26:36,855 --> 01:26:39,722 because I'm just a guy sitting there with a hat on reading a book. 1565 01:26:39,824 --> 01:26:41,758 A lot of times I can just slip around and be a guy. 1566 01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:43,555 That's all I want from traveling. 1567 01:26:43,662 --> 01:26:45,789 I just want to be a guy and that's life enough for me. 1568 01:26:53,271 --> 01:26:56,536 # The way out is the way in # 1569 01:26:57,208 --> 01:27:00,803 # The way out is the way-ay-ay in # 1570 01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:08,142 Travel has always been known as a soothing balm, and even motion, 1571 01:27:08,253 --> 01:27:11,654 from the time we're little babies, we want to be rocked and if the baby's crying, 1572 01:27:11,756 --> 01:27:14,418 you can take it for a drive in the car and it calms down. 1573 01:27:14,526 --> 01:27:17,427 That's the way I described it to myself at that time, 1574 01:27:17,529 --> 01:27:20,760 I was so stirred up, my little baby soul would only be soothed by motion. 1575 01:27:20,865 --> 01:27:24,357 I traveled out of the darkest place a human being can come from, 1576 01:27:24,469 --> 01:27:28,269 and it was landscapes, highways and wildlife that revitalized me. 1577 01:27:28,373 --> 01:27:29,931 It was the timeless landscapes. 1578 01:27:30,041 --> 01:27:32,532 It gives your tiny existence a new perspective 1579 01:27:32,644 --> 01:27:35,636 when you're among things that are millions of years old. 1580 01:27:36,481 --> 01:27:40,542 # The way out is the way in # 1581 01:27:40,652 --> 01:27:43,382 # The way out is the way-ay-ay in # 1582 01:27:43,488 --> 01:27:47,049 I remember getting postcards from him from wherever 1583 01:27:47,158 --> 01:27:49,058 and he was using different names. 1584 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,823 We have, like, about 6,000 nicknames for each other 1585 01:27:52,931 --> 01:27:56,332 and so I would get a postcard with that nickname on it, 1586 01:27:56,434 --> 01:27:57,958 so I knew who it was from. 1587 01:27:58,069 --> 01:28:00,765 They were lifelines, those little contacts. 1588 01:28:00,872 --> 01:28:04,103 He knew we were there, somewhere, 1589 01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:09,203 and he knew that we would be there if he wanted us to be there. 1590 01:28:09,314 --> 01:28:12,078 All he had to do was reach out. 1591 01:28:12,183 --> 01:28:15,016 As far as the band was concerned, as things went on, 1592 01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,749 it seemed less and less of a possibility that we would get back together 1593 01:28:18,857 --> 01:28:20,825 and it looked like the band was - 1594 01:28:20,925 --> 01:28:24,452 basically, it was four years - ...that the band was done. 1595 01:28:24,562 --> 01:28:27,793 Oh, I thought it was... I thought it was over. 1596 01:28:30,101 --> 01:28:34,162 Alex and I would talk about it once in a while but there was no point. 1597 01:28:34,272 --> 01:28:37,639 I don't want to play in Rush without those other two guys. 1598 01:28:37,742 --> 01:28:42,008 You know, there's no replacing anybody in this band, 1599 01:28:42,113 --> 01:28:43,978 it's just not possible. 1600 01:28:44,082 --> 01:28:47,415 It is the band, the three of us, you know. 1601 01:28:47,519 --> 01:28:50,784 Even though he's the new guy, he's just as important. 1602 01:28:50,889 --> 01:28:53,380 Those two guys were the most stable thing I had. 1603 01:28:53,491 --> 01:28:57,154 My family and loved ones and those that dared to stay around me through that time, 1604 01:28:57,262 --> 01:29:00,163 and so hard to... I would have walked. 1605 01:29:01,433 --> 01:29:03,901 My concern was just that he would be OK 1606 01:29:04,002 --> 01:29:07,768 and I thought it was pointless to think about it beyond that. 1607 01:29:07,872 --> 01:29:11,467 After a year and a half, whatever, two years, 1608 01:29:11,576 --> 01:29:15,307 I sensed that he would do it again, that he would be OK. 1609 01:29:15,413 --> 01:29:17,040 I don't think he worked that hard 1610 01:29:17,148 --> 01:29:20,276 to be what most people consider as the best in the world at something 1611 01:29:20,385 --> 01:29:22,012 and not go and do it again one day. 1612 01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:26,284 I didn't know if it meant that it would take five years or ten years 1613 01:29:26,391 --> 01:29:29,986 but I thought that one day he'd have to do that again. 1614 01:29:55,053 --> 01:29:57,715 When I stopped riding... ...I was ready. 1615 01:29:57,822 --> 01:30:03,089 Traveling all that time, it was when I came to rest and I came out to California 1616 01:30:03,194 --> 01:30:07,528 and met my wife-to-be and I got some stability there 1617 01:30:07,632 --> 01:30:13,093 and, with Carrie's help, then realized that I was wanting to work again. 1618 01:30:13,204 --> 01:30:17,766 That's basically what it took, but I had to stop moving first. 1619 01:30:17,876 --> 01:30:22,313 He was a little apprehensive and thought that perhaps maybe 1620 01:30:22,413 --> 01:30:28,215 we might try to talk about perhaps trying to maybe think about 1621 01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,844 possibly getting back in the studio to record a record. 1622 01:30:30,955 --> 01:30:34,982 It was really like that. It was quite a fragile, delicate proposition. 1623 01:30:35,093 --> 01:30:37,027 I don't think he knew if he could do it. 1624 01:30:37,128 --> 01:30:39,323 He hadn't played his drums in a hell of a long time. 1625 01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:43,628 He's such a perfectionist, such a fucking monster musician. 1626 01:30:43,735 --> 01:30:46,932 I think he was afraid of not being as good as he once was. 1627 01:30:47,038 --> 01:30:49,302 It was an unsureness. "Can I do this? 1628 01:30:49,407 --> 01:30:52,342 "Can I write rock lyrics like it's the most important thing in the world? 1629 01:30:52,443 --> 01:30:54,673 "Can I slave over and over on a drum part, 1630 01:30:54,779 --> 01:30:58,078 "refine every detail like it's the most important thing in the world? I don't know." 1631 01:30:58,182 --> 01:31:02,619 We basically booked the studio, 7 days a week, for 14 or 15 months. 1632 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,415 Everything had so much weight to it 1633 01:31:04,522 --> 01:31:09,152 and for him to get back his chops was really a slow process. 1634 01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:11,455 I could hear my state of mind in my drumming - 1635 01:31:11,563 --> 01:31:13,497 anger, obviously, but confusion. 1636 01:31:13,598 --> 01:31:16,328 The state I was in... it's in the lyrics too, of course, 1637 01:31:16,434 --> 01:31:20,803 so many of them had to deal with... I could not sidestep all of that stuff. 1638 01:31:20,905 --> 01:31:24,102 But there was something that was so pure and truthful 1639 01:31:24,208 --> 01:31:26,199 about the energy on Vapor Trails. 1640 01:31:26,311 --> 01:31:30,748 It really is a representation of that time, of the coming back of the band. 1641 01:31:30,848 --> 01:31:35,217 # Horizon to horizon # 1642 01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,346 # Memory written on the wind # 1643 01:31:39,857 --> 01:31:43,258 # Fading away like an hourglass # 1644 01:31:43,361 --> 01:31:45,522 # Grain by grain # 1645 01:31:48,499 --> 01:31:53,994 # Swept away like voices in a hurricane # 1646 01:31:55,940 --> 01:31:59,933 # In a vapor trail # 1647 01:32:00,678 --> 01:32:04,705 # In a vapor trail # 1648 01:32:05,783 --> 01:32:08,081 Coming back to the stage is way more difficult 1649 01:32:08,186 --> 01:32:10,848 'cause the essential existence of a band is on a stage. 1650 01:32:10,955 --> 01:32:13,947 One of the things that keeps me from quitting touring all the time 1651 01:32:14,058 --> 01:32:15,582 is that's what a band does. 1652 01:32:15,693 --> 01:32:19,789 So coming back to the stage was the biggest recovery possible. 1653 01:32:19,897 --> 01:32:22,229 Thank you. 1654 01:32:23,167 --> 01:32:29,572 And good evening, Hartford, United States of America, 1655 01:32:29,674 --> 01:32:31,039 nice to be back here. 1656 01:32:32,644 --> 01:32:35,044 It's been quite long enough, I think. 1657 01:32:36,047 --> 01:32:39,380 That was in Hartford, Connecticut on the Vapor Trails tour 1658 01:32:39,484 --> 01:32:43,352 and it was such a dramatic thing after all this that we'd gone through 1659 01:32:43,454 --> 01:32:46,218 that here we were, at our first gig, back on the road 1660 01:32:46,324 --> 01:32:48,884 and we never even thought we would work again. 1661 01:32:48,993 --> 01:32:53,157 I think that was one of the few times we've had a group hug before the show. 1662 01:32:56,934 --> 01:33:02,964 It wasn't lost on us that... getting to that point... 1663 01:33:04,042 --> 01:33:05,873 was almost impossible. 1664 01:33:05,977 --> 01:33:10,209 So we looked at each other, gave each other a hug and said, "OK, let's go." 1665 01:33:23,294 --> 01:33:27,628 # For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall # 1666 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,132 # Concert hall # 1667 01:33:36,441 --> 01:33:40,104 The crowd was amazing. They welcomed us back, really warm. 1668 01:33:40,211 --> 01:33:42,179 And Neil was really nervous, 1669 01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,943 so I figured my job is to go over there to make him not nervous 1670 01:33:46,050 --> 01:33:49,508 so I kept checking on him, throwing him some shapes 1671 01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:52,111 to make sure he was smiling or laughing. 1672 01:33:52,223 --> 01:33:56,421 That's what that night was like. I was completely folded into the job of performing, 1673 01:33:56,527 --> 01:33:59,257 but there were moments when the three of us connected visually 1674 01:33:59,363 --> 01:34:02,560 and we knew what we were doing and I remember saying to Ray afterwards, 1675 01:34:02,667 --> 01:34:05,261 "It would have been a shame if that never happened again." 1676 01:34:05,369 --> 01:34:10,773 It was amazing. And it was amazing to see how happy he was after the show. 1677 01:34:10,875 --> 01:34:13,139 Some demons were gone that night. 1678 01:34:13,244 --> 01:34:17,510 Part of the rebirth of the band was suddenly a willingness to go where we hadn't gone 1679 01:34:17,615 --> 01:34:22,712 and to see these legions of fans was such a positive effect on us. 1680 01:34:22,820 --> 01:34:27,723 It was like, "This is a second chance for us to go back out and play some new places." 1681 01:34:49,213 --> 01:34:53,411 We had no idea, going to Brazil, of any popularity that we might have 1682 01:34:53,518 --> 01:34:57,113 and then the S�o Paulo show was 60,000 people. 1683 01:34:57,221 --> 01:35:00,452 By far the largest audience we singularly had ever played to. 1684 01:35:00,558 --> 01:35:03,959 There was a sense of wild tumultuous impossible masses of people 1685 01:35:04,061 --> 01:35:07,792 but so locked in a unifying way that it was just magical. We elevated. 1686 01:35:31,689 --> 01:35:33,418 Having gone through that whole tour, 1687 01:35:33,524 --> 01:35:36,789 being in this place where we had people going totally mental, 1688 01:35:36,894 --> 01:35:38,327 playing One Little Victory, 1689 01:35:38,429 --> 01:35:42,195 it was a huge victory that we'd survived the previous five years. 1690 01:35:42,300 --> 01:35:45,565 Finishing on such a high note was quite a trip. 1691 01:35:45,670 --> 01:35:47,797 The newness of touring was over... 1692 01:35:48,673 --> 01:35:52,700 and I think we had successfully returned. 1693 01:36:13,865 --> 01:36:15,059 Oh yeah! 1694 01:36:17,235 --> 01:36:19,703 # Modern-day warrior named Tom Sawyer # 1695 01:36:19,804 --> 01:36:22,637 # He floated down a river on a raft with a black guy # 1696 01:36:22,740 --> 01:36:23,707 # Doo-doo doo-doo # 1697 01:36:23,808 --> 01:36:27,574 # Doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo... # 1698 01:36:27,678 --> 01:36:29,043 Hold on! Hold on! 1699 01:36:29,146 --> 01:36:32,138 Hold on! Stop! Stop! Those aren't the right lyrics, fat ass! 1700 01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:35,481 I am Geddy Lee and I will sing whatever lyrics I want! 1701 01:36:35,586 --> 01:36:38,919 There's a lot of people who were 18 in 1978, 1702 01:36:39,023 --> 01:36:41,048 guys who were crazy Rush fans. 1703 01:36:41,158 --> 01:36:43,353 They're in positions of relative power now. 1704 01:36:43,461 --> 01:36:45,861 They're raising their hands and going, 1705 01:36:45,963 --> 01:36:49,455 "Yeah, I want to be on this bandwagon now. I always was there." 1706 01:36:49,567 --> 01:36:54,004 Now they had the ability to bring it to more people than ever before. 1707 01:36:54,105 --> 01:36:58,735 My guests tonight have 24 gold and 14 platinum records. 1708 01:36:58,843 --> 01:37:01,368 Please welcome Rush! 1709 01:37:02,246 --> 01:37:06,444 Geddy, Neil, Alex, thank you so much for joining us. 1710 01:37:09,487 --> 01:37:11,114 I just wanna remind everybody 1711 01:37:11,222 --> 01:37:15,158 that this is your first appearance on American television in 33 years. 1712 01:37:15,259 --> 01:37:17,227 - Correct? - Yeah. 1713 01:37:17,328 --> 01:37:21,230 I think one of the greatest things to happen to the collective community 1714 01:37:21,332 --> 01:37:24,631 that has very much enjoyed Rush for many years, 1715 01:37:24,735 --> 01:37:27,260 was their appearance on the Colbert Report 1716 01:37:27,371 --> 01:37:29,703 because I've seen these guys get beaten up 1717 01:37:29,807 --> 01:37:32,537 by the supposed cool people for a long time. 1718 01:37:32,643 --> 01:37:34,611 And then, in one fell swoop, 1719 01:37:34,712 --> 01:37:38,648 Stephen Colbert puts them on their show and gives them the hand of coolness. 1720 01:37:38,749 --> 01:37:42,412 You're known for some, sort of, long songs. 1721 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,422 Have you ever written a song so epic that by the end of the song 1722 01:37:46,524 --> 01:37:50,290 you were actually being influenced by yourself at the beginning of the song... 1723 01:37:51,896 --> 01:37:54,888 ...because it happened so much earlier in your career? 1724 01:37:56,233 --> 01:37:59,760 You are yet to be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1725 01:37:59,870 --> 01:38:04,068 Is there any chance your next album will be called That's Bullsh... 1726 01:38:05,776 --> 01:38:09,234 You could get into sociological and cultural reasons 1727 01:38:09,347 --> 01:38:12,805 why a band like Rush was publicly marginalized. 1728 01:38:12,917 --> 01:38:16,011 You can say, "What was it? They were too weird? Geddy's voice?" 1729 01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,089 I like to think that, at the end of the day, people will step back 1730 01:38:19,190 --> 01:38:22,591 and all those labels fall away because the body of work is significant. 1731 01:38:22,693 --> 01:38:25,526 To me, they remain one of the top bands in the world. 1732 01:38:25,629 --> 01:38:28,564 Whether some guy at Rolling Stone decides they are or not, 1733 01:38:28,666 --> 01:38:33,103 is completely irrelevant because, at the end of the day, rock is a people's game 1734 01:38:33,204 --> 01:38:36,731 and the people have generally and consistently voted for this band. 1735 01:38:36,841 --> 01:38:40,140 A generation of rock critics have kept them from being in Rolling Stone 1736 01:38:40,244 --> 01:38:41,871 and from being a part of that conversation. 1737 01:38:41,979 --> 01:38:44,573 They were on the other side of this divide we're talking about, 1738 01:38:44,682 --> 01:38:47,242 back when they were held in corners by Rush fans at parties going, 1739 01:38:47,351 --> 01:38:48,716 "But you don't understand!" 1740 01:38:48,819 --> 01:38:52,983 They liked Elvis Costello or David Bowie or something more critically accepted. 1741 01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:57,424 Now, it's like we're all so old that even if you hated Rush in the '80s and '70s, 1742 01:38:57,528 --> 01:39:01,521 you gotta give it up for them, you just got to, or you're just being an old dickhead. 1743 01:39:01,632 --> 01:39:04,533 I think that, in many ways, you're served better 1744 01:39:04,635 --> 01:39:06,933 if you're not quite as successful. 1745 01:39:07,038 --> 01:39:10,735 If you never become a pop star, if you don't have top 40 hits. 1746 01:39:10,841 --> 01:39:14,208 Then what you have is a pure memory for people. 1747 01:39:14,311 --> 01:39:16,108 They don't think you ever sold out. 1748 01:39:16,213 --> 01:39:19,376 Virtue is actually rewarded, I believe. 1749 01:39:39,170 --> 01:39:43,266 The thing with us is, we've always walked along a shore of the mainstream 1750 01:39:43,374 --> 01:39:47,572 and we've been attached to it and connected ourselves to it, time and again 1751 01:39:47,678 --> 01:39:49,839 but we've always been a bit outside of it. 1752 01:39:49,947 --> 01:39:53,610 We had our own stream and it wasn't the main one 1753 01:39:53,717 --> 01:39:56,447 but it was not too far away from the main one. 1754 01:39:56,554 --> 01:39:59,682 I always like to consider us the world's most popular cult band. 1755 01:39:59,790 --> 01:40:05,023 The Rush fan, while it's a stereotype that it's mostly guys who like heavy metal, 1756 01:40:05,129 --> 01:40:09,122 there are many devoted female fans. It's kind of like a giant club. 1757 01:40:09,233 --> 01:40:13,169 People turn on their kids to Rush, who turn on their kids to Rush. 1758 01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:15,795 It's amazing that the music's been able to go 1759 01:40:15,906 --> 01:40:19,467 from this generation to this generation and even a younger generation. 1760 01:40:19,577 --> 01:40:22,137 Their fans have stuck with them through all of it. 1761 01:40:22,246 --> 01:40:24,271 All their shows are sold out still. 1762 01:40:24,381 --> 01:40:26,349 When Snakes and Arrows came out in 2007, 1763 01:40:26,450 --> 01:40:28,418 it charted really well for quite a while 1764 01:40:28,519 --> 01:40:31,317 and it was some of the biggest shows they've ever played. 1765 01:40:31,422 --> 01:40:34,687 It's just amazing for them to come back really strong like that. 1766 01:40:34,792 --> 01:40:37,784 It was just like it took off! It took off again all of a sudden. 1767 01:40:37,895 --> 01:40:41,524 It seems like they're bigger now than they've ever been, which is fantastic. 1768 01:40:41,632 --> 01:40:45,124 There's a comfort in knowing those same three guys are out there. 1769 01:40:45,236 --> 01:40:49,935 It's also spectacular to see three guys that could tolerate each other for all these years 1770 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,031 and still make music, make good music. 1771 01:40:52,143 --> 01:40:55,078 How many more times? 1772 01:40:55,179 --> 01:40:58,080 Here's that thing you ordered. 1773 01:40:58,182 --> 01:41:00,707 It arrived today, this thing you ordered. 1774 01:41:01,719 --> 01:41:04,381 Thank you, Lurch. 1775 01:41:04,488 --> 01:41:08,788 - No sweat. - It's that special thing! 1776 01:41:10,394 --> 01:41:13,022 Could you turn that off while I use it? 1777 01:41:13,130 --> 01:41:15,360 The Three Stooges all at once. 1778 01:41:15,466 --> 01:41:18,560 They're just such a unique and weird concoction 1779 01:41:18,669 --> 01:41:21,297 and I get the sense, and I always have from Rush, 1780 01:41:21,405 --> 01:41:23,669 that they're on a righteous path. 1781 01:41:23,774 --> 01:41:26,743 There's something there that's really pure, sincere and honest. 1782 01:41:26,844 --> 01:41:30,302 At the root of all of it, it's also really good, you know. 1783 01:41:30,414 --> 01:41:33,212 That matters more than anything else. 1784 01:41:33,317 --> 01:41:36,548 There's a magic and a coolness to them that continues to this day 1785 01:41:36,654 --> 01:41:39,088 and that's a testament to the music's power. 1786 01:41:39,190 --> 01:41:41,784 That's how you know, it's the only way you know. 1787 01:41:41,892 --> 01:41:45,589 You check in after 25 years. "Is it still resonating?" 1788 01:41:45,696 --> 01:41:48,790 "Yeah." It's the only true test. 1789 01:41:48,899 --> 01:41:50,628 The test of time. 1790 01:41:50,734 --> 01:41:53,567 - Right, shall we? - Now? What, now? 1791 01:41:53,671 --> 01:41:55,502 You mean now? 1792 01:41:55,606 --> 01:41:57,597 You mean right now? Now? 1793 01:41:57,708 --> 01:41:59,767 I can't go on now. 1794 01:41:59,877 --> 01:42:01,105 I've got things to do. 1795 01:42:24,902 --> 01:42:29,066 # Pariah dogs and wandering madmen # 1796 01:42:29,173 --> 01:42:32,939 # Barking at strangers and speaking in tongues # 1797 01:42:33,043 --> 01:42:36,604 # The ebb and flow of tidal fortune # 1798 01:42:36,714 --> 01:42:41,549 # Electrical changes are charging up the young # 1799 01:42:44,455 --> 01:42:50,291 # It's a far cry from the world we thought we'd inherit # 1800 01:42:52,029 --> 01:42:57,626 # It's a far cry from the way we thought we'd share it # 1801 01:43:00,104 --> 01:43:03,631 # You can almost feel the current flowing # 1802 01:43:03,741 --> 01:43:07,677 # You can almost see the circuits blowing # 1803 01:43:07,778 --> 01:43:11,270 # One day I feel I'm on top of the world # 1804 01:43:11,382 --> 01:43:14,215 # And the next it's falling in on me # 1805 01:43:14,818 --> 01:43:19,187 # I can get back on, I can get back on # 1806 01:43:19,290 --> 01:43:22,657 # One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel # 1807 01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:26,025 # And the next it's rolling over me # 1808 01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:30,931 # I can get back on, I can get back on # 1809 01:43:40,177 --> 01:43:43,806 # Whirlwind life of faith and betrayal # 1810 01:43:43,914 --> 01:43:47,714 # Rise in anger, fall back and repeat # 1811 01:43:47,818 --> 01:43:51,515 # Slow degrees on the dark horizon # 1812 01:43:51,622 --> 01:43:56,116 # Full moon rising, lays silver at your feet # 1813 01:43:57,027 --> 01:43:59,996 Maybe you could tell us where we're going tonight? 1814 01:44:00,097 --> 01:44:04,090 We're going to meet with Neil. We're gonna talk about stuff, I guess, 1815 01:44:04,201 --> 01:44:06,135 drink some local wine. 1816 01:44:06,236 --> 01:44:09,262 Will there be any discussion of the next steps for the band? 1817 01:44:09,373 --> 01:44:13,935 We don't really want to hang around with the guy, so yeah, we'll talk about that stuff. 1818 01:44:14,044 --> 01:44:16,035 This is just a business meeting. 1819 01:44:17,314 --> 01:44:20,841 - Do we ever have business meetings? - This is the first one. 1820 01:44:20,951 --> 01:44:22,851 This will be your 24th record. 1821 01:44:22,953 --> 01:44:25,444 What's the motivation to keep doing it? 1822 01:44:25,556 --> 01:44:26,716 Chicks. 1823 01:44:29,159 --> 01:44:31,457 OK, I call this meeting to order. 1824 01:44:32,329 --> 01:44:35,560 Do the thing. It's so great to drink wine. 1825 01:44:35,666 --> 01:44:37,429 It tastes fantastic 1826 01:44:37,534 --> 01:44:40,298 and it makes you feel funny. 1827 01:44:40,404 --> 01:44:44,135 - Didn't I ever tell you Lurch was a genius? - You never had to tell me. 1828 01:44:44,241 --> 01:44:47,608 - He's a genius. - He manifests it every single day. 1829 01:44:47,711 --> 01:44:50,908 - Why don't we write some songs? - Right now. Let's start. 1830 01:44:51,014 --> 01:44:53,482 - I got a notepad here. - Are you gonna write lyrics? 1831 01:44:53,584 --> 01:44:55,745 - I can write things down. - What I thought... 1832 01:44:55,853 --> 01:44:59,789 What if we do something on the Frankenstein theme we were talking about? 1833 01:44:59,890 --> 01:45:01,482 Like, the life of Frankenstein. 1834 01:45:01,592 --> 01:45:04,083 - A concept album? - I'm getting an inspiration. 1835 01:45:04,194 --> 01:45:08,290 - That's a bolt... Perfect. - Hey, yeah! You know something? 1836 01:45:09,733 --> 01:45:13,362 - You got a couple of bolts... - That's what I'm thinking. 1837 01:45:14,838 --> 01:45:18,638 It's a miracle really that we've ever had a conversation. 1838 01:45:18,742 --> 01:45:20,403 Let's not start now! 1839 01:45:20,511 --> 01:45:23,844 You know they say if you put 100 monkeys in a room with typewriters 1840 01:45:23,947 --> 01:45:26,814 they'll eventually produce the works of Shakespeare? 1841 01:45:26,917 --> 01:45:29,147 Who's going to clean those typewriters? 1842 01:45:29,253 --> 01:45:34,486 - We're getting into a weird area here... - Monkeys, you know, defecation. 1843 01:45:34,591 --> 01:45:37,025 I don't know you anymore. 1844 01:45:37,127 --> 01:45:39,357 It's like working with a whole new person. 1845 01:45:39,463 --> 01:45:42,364 - This relationship is... - I'm so sick of you guys. 1846 01:45:42,466 --> 01:45:46,027 This is really helpful for me. 1847 01:45:46,136 --> 01:45:51,096 I'm working through something emotionally and psychologically and this helped a lot. 1848 01:45:51,208 --> 01:45:55,542 Yeah, and I quit the fucking stupid band. I'm out of here. 1849 01:45:55,646 --> 01:45:58,877 OK, take your smokes and go then. 1850 01:45:58,982 --> 01:46:03,646 As soon as I can get over there, I'm gonna rise to my knees and kick your ass. 1851 01:46:03,754 --> 01:46:07,155 Rise to your knees. That sounds like the new Rush album title. 1852 01:46:07,257 --> 01:46:08,884 That'll be the day. 1853 01:46:08,992 --> 01:46:10,892 Oh my God, we are geniuses. 1854 01:46:10,994 --> 01:46:14,157 - We're gonna do hockey nights in Canada... - Hockey, hockey! 1855 01:46:14,264 --> 01:46:16,789 ...with the drum solo with the Latino stuff in it. 1856 01:46:16,900 --> 01:46:20,893 Boy, that's gonna be one great album. That's the next album, guys. 1857 01:46:21,004 --> 01:46:22,335 We've got it sorted out. 1858 01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:26,705 I think we've been successful in destroying these people's film. 1859 01:46:26,810 --> 01:46:30,644 I will remind them that I said you would regret it. 1860 01:46:30,747 --> 01:46:32,374 I just wanted to say that. 1861 01:46:32,483 --> 01:46:37,250 I said, "Don't be surprised when you discover how boring we really are." 1862 01:46:38,956 --> 01:46:40,924 Cut! 1863 01:46:48,966 --> 01:46:50,991 Now I like Rush. 1864 01:46:51,101 --> 01:46:53,899 The louder the better now. 162109

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