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Hidden technology,

secret facilities buried beneath the Nevada desert.

Deals made in the shadows

between governments and non-human intelligence.

Craft that fly without fuel,

responding to thought instead of physics.

Souls treated as technology.

A breakaway civilization living in the future,

while the rest of us are kept behind.

Pilot and intelligence insider John Lear

claims he has seen evidence

that would rewrite human history.

That contact already happened.

That reverse engineering has changed our world

without our consent.

That humanity's evolution

is being managed in secrecy

by those who fear what we might do with the truth.

In this investigation, we explore.

The real purpose of Area 51

and the deeper base known as S-4.

Alleged agreements with extraterrestrial visitors.

How consciousness may be the key to advanced propulsion.

The possibility that the soul is measurable

and exploitable.

Why disclosure may already be underway...

silently.

The story you're about to hear

challenges everything we are allowed to believe.

The question isn't, are we alone?

It's, who is keeping the truth from us

and why?

There are places on this earth where truth cannot breathe.

Where the sky itself is classified.

And where the greatest discoveries

humanity has ever made are intentionally forgotten...

before they can be celebrated.

These are the silent zones...

hidden in deserts, buried beneath mountains,

disguised in plain sight.

Guarded not by barbed wire, but by belief.

Because if a secret is big enough,

you never need to hide it.

You only need to convince the world that it's impossible.

John Lear's life began where the known ends

and the unknown begins.

Aviation wasn't a career path, it was his inheritance.

His father Bill Lear transformed the sky

for the modern world.

But what he couldn't transform,

he concealed.

Behind every aircraft the public admired,

there were prototypes the public could never know existed.

Behind every innovation, there was a rumor of something

that went far beyond innovation.

John came of age surrounded by doors

that only opened for the elite.

Doors that led to black laboratories

and ghost runways.

Where the future of human capability

was not being imagined,

but reverse engineered.

His story doesn't ask for belief.

It challenges the assumption that disbelief is rational.

Maybe the world isn't lying about what is real.

Maybe the world is lying about what it chooses to reveal.

And if John Lear is correct,

reality is far bigger,

far stranger, and far more controlled

than any of us were ever meant to understand.

Bob Oechsler and I've got, uh, Captain John Lear here.

Piping all, eh, John?

- Hey, that's right. - Yeah.

We're going to talk today about, uh, some Area 51 stuff

and your background and meeting, uh, Bob Lazar.

Of course, the big story of, uh, I guess, of the decade at least.

I would say so, yeah.

Uh, you-- now, you know, one of the big questions I think

that's come up, uh, in my investigations

and inquiries about Bob

and, uh, Gene Huff and that-- that whole entourage...

is it true that you met Bob

before he was assigned to work out

at, uh, Area 51 on the test site in S-4?

Yeah, absolutely.

When Gene brought him over to my house,

uh, Bob didn't know anything

about saucers or care about them.

And it was, uh, Gene's interest

that really, uh--

uh, that really brought him over to my house.

And Bob kind of just tagged along for laughs.

And it was probably, you know, two months before Bob realized

that we may, you know,

h-- have something of-- of real interest.

Uh, and through his contacts at, uh,

Los Alamos National Laboratories,

where he used to live or where he used to work,

um, he found out

that a lot of the stuff we were saying was true.

Okay, not-- not from Ed Teller,

but he-- from other sources at Los Alamos?

That's kind of revelationary.

Yeah, yeah, a couple of, uh, people

that he worked with, uh, when he worked there in 1982.

And, uh, when we told him that, uh, Project Grudge

was a continuing, um, uh, investigation

and the Air Force had not canceled Grudge

in 1949, as they said,

uh, he had his friends

check the classified laboratory at, uh, [indistinct]--

classified, uh, library at Los Alamos,

and they did find current Grudge report, 1988.

Well, that's extraordinary.

So, uh,

the direction I'm going to head with this thing,

uh, I think will...

perhaps point to one of the possible solutions

to the mystery, uh, around Bob Lazar

and the-- the whole test flight program

and-- and the government's, uh, concerns involving secrecy,

or maybe there's an issue

involving, uh, intentional release of information,

whether it's, uh, accurate or not accurate, whatever.

Uh, and I think a lot of that centers around,

uh, this whole development of the relationship

between, uh, Bob and Gene Huff

uh, and you.

Now, you--

had you, uh, known Gene

long before Bob and Gene knew each other,

- or how did that work? - Well, Gene just called--

Gene just called up one day, uh, summer of '88,

probably like July,

and wanted some of my UFO information.

He heard about me, and he was very interested in it.

And he wanted, like, copies of tapes

and-- and, uh, material.

And, uh, since I wasn't, uh, giving

or selling any of that at that time,

um, uh, we elected--

uh, we made an agreement

where-- he was a real estate appraiser.

He would appraise my house

in exchange for these tapes and, uh--

uh, tapes an, uh, documents.

And it was his friendship with Bob

that-- that kind of drew Bob into this.

And Bob, like I say, was in for the laughs.

He didn't believe it for one minute.

Nothing.

Uh, that-- he thought it was a joke.

He thought the whole thing was nothing but a joke.

Well, what convinced Bob to go look?

And now, Bob wasn't looking for a job in UFOs.

No. Bob was--

Why did he even bother to contact?

Now, who convinced him that he should try to get into work?

- Or was this his own idea? - He convinced himself,

because after, uh, three or four months

of talking with Gene and-- and myself,

there's actually two things that pushed Bob

in the direction of, "Well, there's enough here

that I want to find out for myself.

I'm going to go work up there and see if I can see anything."

And the two things were, is one that he found that, yes,

Project Grudge did exist.

And the other one was the, uh-- the [indistinct] facility,

- uh, which is supposedly-- - That's over in Los Alamos.

Well, there's one at, uh, S-4 and-- and one at Los Alamos.

But supposedly it was

the electromagnetic holding facility

- where they kept the aliens. - Hmm.

And it was designated

by the, uh-- the guy who built them, Dr. Eric Wang.

And, uh, when we told Bob about it,

among other things, he had his people check on it

and found that, yes, there was a classified mail stop

at Los Alamos.

- Um, uh-- - Well, explain what that is.

What is an electromagnetic holding facility

and how is that capable of holding--

does that hold humans as well as aliens or--

No, it's something to do with, uh, the way

we have this one alien,

EBE-2 or 3.

They have to be in a holding facility

that is electromagnetically guarded

for either to keep somebody out or to keep him in.

- I'm not sure what it is. - Mm-hmm.

But the designation of this facility was [indistinct].

Okay, and that's the sole, uh, r-- uh, uh,

purpose of this facility is to--

Is to keep the alien in there.

Keep the alien in there and perhaps keep--

No, I've heard stories that, uh, the aliens,

uh, could, uh, transport themselves, uh, out.

I don't know whether that's true or not.

I've heard stories that they can disappear.

I don't know whether that's true or not.

Mm-hmm.

But what is for sure

is that [indistinct] designates

an electromagnetic holding facility.

Some people inherit a home or a business.

John inherited access.

Access to a hidden narrative

whispered between engineers who designed miracles

and classified analysts

who cleaned up the truth afterward.

As a child, he heard jokes that weren't jokes.

As a pilot, he spoke to people whose careers vanished

the moment they asked the wrong question.

In his world,

the extraordinary was not a fantasy.

It was a restricted file.

Public aviation celebrates lift, speed, and metal.

But behind the curtain,

scientists were studying gravity itself,

or rather, the ability to ignore it.

The most advanced craft

were not trying to defeat the laws of physics.

They were behaving as if those laws were optional.

When John heard silence,

he learned to listen to what was missing.

When he saw a denial,

he knew it meant the truth was too close.

The world he grew up in wasn't built on trust.

It was built on clearance levels.

Uh, and-- and to-- there's a--

is there a direct alien reference to that?

Yes, that's what I mean. That's what I--

Now, has there ever been any documentation

on anything relative to this?

So where does that-- where does the whole idea come from?

Because I heard about this [indistinct],

uh, totally remote from any other sources,

coming from an individual,

uh, who had worked at White Sands Missile Range,

was involved in the crash retrieval,

talking about Earl Monroe Cassidy,

who was involved in one

of the Roswell crash retrieval programs,

the one at, uh, San Agustin Plains, we believe.

Uh, and he had whole-- had taken his family,

including his daughter, up to Los Alamos,

where, uh, they had a facility

where apparently the surviving alien

from the San Agustin Plains was transported.

In fact, two of them. There were two survivors.

One of them apparently died on the way to Los Alamos,

but the other one survived, uh, they believe,

for a period of about a year at least.

Uh, and on one occasion,

he took the daughter and the wife up there.

They-- and they had to stay in the car,

uh, but went into a facility called--

it was [indistinct], uh, at, uh, Los Alamos.

So I had totally independently heard of that.

Wasn't-- there was no indication in what I heard from them

that this was exclusively designed

for the purpose of containing this alien.

Uh, it was more or less a building,

and the-- uh, other than, uh,

uh, the fact that he went into this building,

not the alien, but the, uh-- but Cassidy,

uh, a-- and the fact that that's where they housed him.

Uh, that's the-- the bulk of the information on that.

So that sort of adds to that-- that whole scenario.

Well, uh, that could be.

I-- I recall seeing

that first time in a letter,

uh, from some general to somebody else

mentioning that that's where they held EBE-2 or 3.

Okay. All right.

Now, back out again to...

I-- so as the story develops here,

we've got Gene Huff,

who became interested in UFOs at some point

and then contacted you.

Uh, a-- at that point, had he,

to-- to your knowledge, discussed UFOs

with, uh, Bob Lazar?

Just to the, uh--

just to the point where, uh, he was interested in it,

wanted to know if Bob had heard anything at Los Al.

And, uh, Bob said, "No, I never heard anything.

I don't believe in it," that kind of thing.

Okay.

So do you suppose there was any connection

to the point of Gene Huff getting in touch with you

in order to try to get more information about UFOs

in order to try to convince Bob?

- Maybe. - Maybe. Okay.

But then from that point, we've established

that at this point Bob Lazar got to the point where,

okay, he was intrigued enough with UFOs

and validated that, uh, Project Grudge

did in fact exist.

Uh, and now he actually wanted to try

to get into a program

involving this in order to further--

or at least get close enough to where this program allegedly

were being conducted so that he could get that.

All right, so in that process, he contacted Dr. Teller,

whom he had met previously at Los Alamos,

uh, was referred to, uh, EG&G facility

uh, where he underwent, um, I-- I guess,

some, uh, interviews, some personnel type interviews.

And Dr. Teller called him and said, uh,

"Where would you like to work?

Would you like to work, uh, at EG&G in Las Vegas

or would you like to come to California

and work at Lawrence Livermore?"

- Mm-hmm. - And Bob said,

"I want to work at Area 51."

And there was a full minute silence on the phone

and Dr. Teller said, "Let me see what I can do."

Okay.

So he actually went right to the throat.

He says, "I want to work at Area 51."

And the fallout of that

was he ultimately was called, uh, or--

At EG&G, he got, uh,

first, uh, two security interviews,

then two job interviews,

then another security, and then another job.

There was three total interviews for both security and job.

Okay.

And the next step then, he was offered a job

that he turned down, did he not?

Not at the test site,

but-- or something connected to that?

- I don't know. - Or are we already past that?

- I don't know. - ...

At some point he was offered a job that he turned down

because it wasn't what he wanted.

But somehow or another, he ended up at the test site

- working on these projects. - Yeah.

Now...

don't you-- do you think

that during the course of his, uh--

the interview process,

and they already knew he wanted to work at Area 51,

and at this point, if they had done any kind of checking,

they knew that he had been in contact with you,

or at least had been in contact with Gene Huff,

who had been in contact with you,

and that there was a direct UFO interest

with a publicly known researcher in the field.

- Yeah. - Uh, doesn't it...

make sense that they may have decided

to bring Bob up there

to work near a program

for the express purpose

of leaking information?

We've always thought that was a possibility.

- Well, that's extraordinary. - One of the first

security interviews he had,

the-- one of the first questions was,

"Do you know John Lear

and what's your relationship with John Lear?"

And he said, "Yes, I know him."

- Uh, I think he sticks with-- - So this did come out.

They did know that right during the--

- Right from the beginning. - Right from the beginning.

Now, once Bob got in the program...

how many times did he actually go to the test site

to work on the disks?

I don't know, but I was-- it was like eight or ten times.

Eight or ten times.

And this was not like he would go up to the test site

and stay overnight and work.

This was one-day events. He would go up one day, uh--

One-day events, and it was, uh--

they usually, uh, uh, go up in the evening.

Mm-hmm.

And at the very beginning of all of this,

uh, he didn't actually get to see the disks

or work on the disks right from the beginning.

He went through a process

of, uh, um, briefings, didn't he?

Yes, but I think the first day he was there,

uh, he saw the disks--

he saw a disk the first time he was there.

Because, uh, December 6th, 1988

is when he came to my house after his first trip up there.

- Okay. - And that's when he said,

"John, I saw a disk today."

And I said, "Theirs or ours?" And he said, "Theirs."

Now, had-- had Bob,

previous to, uh, going up to the test site,

now we had established that there was a relationship

with Bob Lazar and Gene Huff

and that Gene Huff had contacted you.

When did you first, uh, get in contact with Bob Lazar?

When did you first hook up with him?

Over this period, after...

Gene brought him the first time,

Bob would occasionally drop over to my house

to tell me what was going on

as far as he was checking at Los Alamos on various things.

- Mm-hmm. - And he'd come over to the house

- without Gene sometimes. - Mm-hmm.

And so we had developed a relationship

where he'd just drop over

and-- and see what was going on

and-- and talk about what was going on.

Okay.

So now getting back up

to Area 51, and...

isn't it rather bizarre, don't you think,

that Bob was shown,

uh, briefings

that really didn't have anything to do

with his objective being there?

And the objective, of course,

to work on the rev-- uh, reverse engineering

of the disk program.

Uh, but they showed him

a lot of other documents and files

that, uh, had to do with aliens

and biology and, uh, uh, history and so on.

Can you go into some-- kind of a menu of this sort of thing?

He was given, uh, 121 briefing documents,

and the reason was they wanted him

to select what area he wanted to work in,

because they were not allowed to switch areas,

nor were they, uh, allowed to work on two areas at a time.

He had to specifically decide

which area he wanted to work on,

and since he was qualified

in so many different, uh, areas,

um, he had-- he had his choice of all of them.

But he decided to-- he wanted to work on propulsion.

That's why he was allowed to see them.

And these briefings weren't extensive, thorough briefings.

They were, you know, documents maybe 10-15 pages long...

- Mm-hmm. - ...uh, to give him an overview.

Sort of an abstract

And from that, uh, he was to make his decision

on where he wanted to specialize.

Now, there-- well, I guess

there were three primary programs up there

that he had really taken a good close look at.

One of them was Project Galileo,

which is the one he ultimately started working on

involving the, uh, reverse engineering of the disks

or the test flight program of the-- of the disks.

Uh, there were two others.

Uh, one was, I think, Project Looking Glass.

- Yeah, and-- - What was that about?

Uh, Project Looking Gas-- uh, Looking Glass

uh, dealt with, uh,

uh, time machines going forward and going back.

If humanity acquired alien technology,

it wasn't stolen.

It was negotiated.

Every exchange requires leverage.

Every treaty has terms.

What could Earth possibly trade

with civilizations capable of bending space-time?

John implies we offered the only currency

we've ever truly possessed.

Permission.

Permission to operate unseen.

Permission to study us as a species.

Permission to influence our evolution

from the corners of perception.

Officials may believe they're protecting the world from panic.

Or perhaps they're protecting something else entirely.

A structure of control

that collapses the moment the public understands

it is being controlled.

These are not alliances.

We're not equals at the table.

We are a bargaining chip wrapped in secrecy,

monitored by those who fear what we might demand,

if we ever knew our worth.

Was that not intriguing to Bob?

I'm surprised he, you know, hadn't--

didn't select that, for example, uh, over the--

I guess because his-- his penchant was for propulsion,

so I guess that was his selection.

Now, what-- what more can you tell us

about the Project Looking Glass?

I mean, what-- what was the--

what else did he learn about that project?

Other than that, uh-- I mean, was it--

what was the method by which they were able

to go back in time?

Was it forward in time as well or--

Uh, apparently both.

Uh, it's, uh, apparently much easier to go forward

than it is to go back.

Uh, but they were able-- able to show him

different experiments,

uh, where they could, uh, uh, keep time from moving.

Uh, you heard about the experiments

where they had a candle

and they would put it in this time machine

and the candle would just stay exactly like it, you know, was.

It wouldn't burn down.

Uh, it-- the-- the flame just-- just stayed like that.

And he told me that, uh, they had solved the paradox,

uh, if you go back in time and kill your father,

will you still be alive?

And he said the, uh, solution to that was,

yes, you will still be alive,

because time is compartmentalized.

You can go back in time and you can kill your father,

but since time is compartmentalized,

it will not affect what has already happened.

Hmm. That's interesting.

Um, wasn't-- there was--

seems to me there was something referenced,

and maybe it's a different project,

but I remember him making reference

to, uh, the use of a-- of a gravity lens.

Does that-- now, does that mean

that just looking back in time or going forward in time,

does that mean you physically actually go back in time,

take your body and go back or forward,

o-- or is this something

where it's kind of like a viewing thing,

where you can view from a third-party perspective

back in time or forward?

- How is that-- - I think both can occur.

You can go back-- you can physically go back in time.

Uh, you can, uh, walk around dinosaurs,

- that kind of thing. - Hmm.

Uh, but you can also, uh, look back in time.

They had this little, uh, device, supposedly,

that you could go back any amount of years

and-- and actually look back in time.

As far as the gravity lens,

I think that had something to do with, uh, the weapon.

- Is that another program? - That was the other program.

Which was?

I keep trying to think of the name of it.

Okay.

Uh, well, perhaps you'll-- you'll come up with that.

It seems to me that there's a very popular program

on, uh, network television called Quantum Leap,

which, uh, uses a-- a device

where, uh...

in-- the-- the individual,

one of the main characters in the show,

is able to, uh, go back in time

uh, and be projected as a hologram.

He's not able to interact with the environment,

but he's able to physically be there,

see what's going on,

and has access to this computer back in his own time

that can give him data

about the, uh, percentage probabilities

of certain things happening and so on.

Uh, it seems to me that the public is being exposed

to some rather exotic types of technology.

Uh, what are your thoughts on the prospects

of this kind of a program

really being some form of an indoctrination

based on information gleaned

from programs like Project Looking Glass?

It could be.

Uh, we've always felt

that, uh, they're trying to indoctrinate us.

As a matter of fact, Bob was under the impression

that part of the reason they hired him at the test site

was his extensive experience,

uh, in filming and producing.

Um--

Bob had an extensive experience in filming and producing?

Yeah. He made the--

Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Well, Bob Lazar made the first rock video.

Hmm.

Uh, and as a matter of fact, an MTV's,

uh, anniversary every year,

uh...

- What was that video? - ...the anniversary they show...

the first rock video made,

and it has his name, Bob Lazar is the producer.

What was the group?

I'm trying to think what it was, and I-- I don't remember.

It could have been Blondie, but I'm not sure.

- Was Blondie going back then? - Perhaps.

It's possible, I suppose. I really don't know.

But that's interesting, though.

I mean, you know, if-- if you happen to think of that,

just kind of interject that at some point.

Uh, that's quite curious.

So...

getting down to the issue

of Bob, uh, selecting,

I find that's rather interesting itself.

Typically, if you go for a job interview,

uh, you state the qualifications

that you have,

and they kind of pick and choose,

well, would you like to work on this?

But it seems in this case, almost the reverse has occurred,

where they just laid it all out.

Here's all the programs we have, which one you want to work on?

That's, uh, rather extraordinary, don't you think?

The reason was, is, uh--

according to Bob, he aced the interview.

I mean, he was ahead of them

from the very beginning, uh, of the question.

He had two or three physicists firing questions from each side.

Uh, and when they'd-- they'd bring a question, they'd say,

uh, "Now let's talk ab-- we'd like to discuss infrared."

And he'd say, "Are you talking about the area 10

to the minus 6th?"

And they'd say, "Oh, well, we were going to get to that."

And he was just one step ahead of them the whole way.

Uh, and it was really obviously,

the-- the guy really knew what he was talking about.

Uh, so they had a guy here

who, you know, could fit in anywhere.

It wasn't that they said, "Well, this guy,

you know, he knows a little bit about this,

but he really looks like he specialized

in this particular area, so we'll offer him a job there."

He was so well-rounded in all areas

that that's why I assume they laid out all the programs

and he could just pick where he wanted to go.

Area 51 distracts

with airplanes and myths.

S-4 hides relationships.

Imagine a facility built

not to interrogate visitors,

but to receive them.

A place where clearance doesn't grant knowledge.

It grants audience.

Where the greatest minds of our species

become students again...

taking instruction from entities

whose understanding of physics reduces

our achievements to toys.

In tunnels carved beneath a dry lake,

humanity may be quietly negotiating its place

in a much older cosmic structure.

Not with might, but with compliance.

This is not an occupied Earth.

This is a managed Earth.

The encounter already happened

and the cover story is still being written.

S-4 forces us to confront a chilling thought.

We are not preparing for contact,

we are honoring it in silence.

Okay, so let's focus a bit on Project Galileo,

which is the one that he ultimately chose to work on.

I don't even know where to begin.

Want-- What was, uh--

When-- when Bob came back and started talking about it,

he had obviously reached the point

where he selected this project.

Did he come by and talk about that?

Did he tell you why he was interested in that,

or what exactly that entailed?

What was he going to try to accomplish with this?

I don't think it was until the third

or fourth time that he was up there

that he chose where he was going to work.

Uh, the first night he came,

which was the-- the first night, uh, that he got back,

he just told me about seeing the disk,

reading some of the documents,

uh, and we discussed what he had read.

And it was basically some very far-out stuff

uh, about the aliens, uh,

uh, where they came from.

He talked about, uh,

uh, some holographic books

that he had to read.

- One was... - Holographic books?

- Yeah. - Can you explain that?

What-- what's a holographic book look like?

It was a book that, that, uh, had information

on the two cultures, man and another culture.

And I'm not sure and clear in my mind

what the other culture was.

But the book was like this,

and then you'd turn it over,

and that was, you know, it'd have, uh, information

on man and his culture, and then you'd turn it over,

and it was the other culture, but as he--

This other culture being some kind of alien?

Alien to human, at least?

I-- I-- I don't remember exactly what the other culture was,

but there was two cultures.

But in this book, it had the history,

uh, from the beginning,

and it had pictures of, uh,

normal, everyday things like, uh, buildings

or houses many, uh,

many, many hundreds thousands of years ago.

And he could take the--

you could look at a picture like this

and just turn the book a little bit,

and it would project views all through the house,

how it was made, the walls, what was behind the wall,

what was the-- in that room and what was behind that.

And you'd just turn the-- the picture like that,

and it would show you all the way through the house.

And it wasn't digital because you couldn't,

you know, stop it at any one place,

uh, and, uh, and-- and-- see

where the picture, uh, stopped and started.

It was just a continuous look through,

beginning at the outside,

looking through the wall, into the room,

through that wall into the next room, like that.

That's extraordinary.

I don't know how this will come up on-- on TV,

but we've got a hologram here.

That, if we can kind of zoom in on this,

this is a hologram of a-- of an alien face.

And I'll try to get the angle right here,

so we'll see how this comes up.

But if you see this, uh, uh, in person,

you'll get an idea of how these things work.

I'm sure a lot of people have seen them.

How's that look on there?

Right there.

And if you rotate it

a little bit like that, you can see there's kind of

a three-dimensional quality to it.

- And that is essentially the... - That would have been

just like that, except when you turned it,

it would, you know, show all the way through.

Okay.

All right, now.

This was all part of the Project Galileo?

- Which part? - This, the hologram, uh...

No, this was part of the briefing.

This was part of the briefing that, uh,

uh, dealt with, uh,

- the historical review... - Yeah.

Of, uh, of culture, human culture,

for one, and then another culture,

which we can't quite define, apparently.

And he was allowed, he--

he just didn't sit once and read these documents.

It would-- during the whole time he was up there,

they would give him 30 minutes or 45 minutes

with these documents,

and he could read them at his leisure.

The December-January 1991 issue

of Technical Consultant Magazine,

uh, has an article in it, part of which states that

there is a war going on between the CIA,

MJ-12, and Aquarius Group, and a group

inside Naval Intelligence called COM-12.

We'll see if you have any knowledge of that,

and over the secrecy or release of UFO information.

Uh, John, do you have any knowledge on that?

This is the first I've heard of this.

No, I just know that there's always been

an argument within the intelligence agencies

about releasing the information.

Part of them want it released, part of them don't.

Who it is that's in the cover-up, I don't know.

And that goes back very, very far back,

because in, uh, 1954,

according to the Gerald Light letter

that came out of Borderland Sciences Research Foundation,

uh, when President Eisenhower

was apparently spirited over to Muroc Field

to be exposed to a series, I think it was

five different disks, and the, uh,

uh, intelligence who were involved in the--

in the disk construction were demonstrating the technology

to, uh, the government scientists

that they had there.

Uh, it was revealed that, uh,

there was a plan that, uh, President Eisenhower

was going to go public sometime in May of 1954,

uh, regarding that, uh revelation

of extraterrestrial existence

and the technology there.

Uh, that apparently never happened,

but it did expose that far back, at least as 1954,

there was a group of authorities,

as Gerald Light, uh, pointed out,

uh, that were not in agreeance in whether or not

this kind of information should be made public.

And of course, uh, those of you who have read

the-- the Chesapeake Connection, uh,

detailed a lot of information regarding a study conducted,

paid for by NASA, by the Brookings Institution,

uh, called Proposed Studies on the Implications

of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs,

uh, where they addressed the issue

of a face-to-face contact

with an extraterrestrial culture,

uh, addressed a number of problems,

uh, sociological problems, uh, uh, philosophical

and theological problems, all associated with the issue

of whether or not this information should be,

uh, made available to the general public.

Uh, the conclusion, essentially,

was that it was probably best not to be made public,

uh, except in a form of a controlled indoctrination

type of process, which is apparently

what we're seeing with a lot of leaks

of information coming out.

We're getting a lot of, uh, uh, information,

a lot more so now.

We once believed the mind was the brain...

until experiences proved otherwise.

We once believed

machines required instruction...

until some began to anticipate intention.

John hints at craft

that merge technology with consciousness.

Where the pilot isn't controlling the vehicle,

the vehicle is collaborating with the pilot.

This suggests the soul is not metaphor,

but infrastructure, a measurable waveform.

A unique signature in space-time.

Consciousness becomes the most advanced

operating system in existence.

If a civilization has mastered devices

that recognize and respond to awareness...

then the human soul becomes a tool...

a key, a target.

Control shifts from governments

to those who can interface directly with identity itself.

Know thyself stops being philosophy...

and becomes security protocol.

And in that moment,

the oldest question in history changes.

Not what are we...

but who is using us?

What was the single biggest, uh,

piece of evidence in that experience

that convinced him that this is absolutely

beyond possibility non-human made?

I think the, uh, other than the propulsion,

which he felt was so far advanced

that it was non-human made,

it was when one afternoon he went in,

the hangar door was open, uh,

it was in the afternoon,

the sun was at a certain angle

in the sky, he went into the saucer

and he was in there for a period of like

two to two and a half hours

uh, working on this,

looking at this particular thing working,

and when he came out, it was exactly the same time

as when he went in.

In other words, the sun hadn't moved,

but he knew that he had been in there

about two and a half hours.

In order, he explained it as...

the-- the, uh, saucer was time shifted

and that when you were in there,

time wasn't going to move, uh,

which it didn't because we were there for two and a half hours.

When he came out, it was exactly the same time

as when he went in.

And this, now... ...the saucer,

the saucer wasn't even live at the time, was it?

- I mean, it wasn't powered? - Uh, I don't...

It wasn't flying because he said he never flew in it.

Uh, no, uh, it was--

it was it was powered, uh...

But in our concept of being powered,

I'm not sure whether that it's the same thing

as we think as it being turned on.

It's not like you go in and turn on a key or something like that.

I guess it's, if the, uh, reactor is intact,

it's constantly on [indistinct].

No, I just don't know that much about it.

I'm not a physicist, so I can't explain it myself,

but there were times he said that, uh...

the saucer was essentially,

uh, when it wasn't time shifted,

you could actually bump it and, and, like, move it.

Uh, but if it was time shifted, you could not,

under any circumstances move it, and when you went in it,

uh, time essentially stopped.

Secrecy doesn't just hide what exists.

It erases what could exist.

Every suppressed discovery

is a cure never delivered.

A technology never released.

A future permanently postponed.

If there is a breakaway civilization

living in the tomorrow we're told doesn't exist,

then the rest of us are trapped in the past by design.

This isn't science fiction. It's policy.

Progress becomes a privilege.

Truth becomes property.

Ignorance becomes infrastructure.

The cost is paid in potential.

Dreams unfulfilled. Genius unexplored.

Civilizations denied the tools to ascend.

We are told that disclosure would cause mass panic.

But what if the panic belongs not to the public,

but to the elite who would lose control

the moment we understand the power we were born with?

Fear is their language.

Silence is their weapon.

But curiosity is our rebellion.

Boy, that would be a great asset to have for doing studies.

I mean, I can't-- I can't imagine how many times

I've wished I could stop time just so I could catch up

and get all the things done I wanted to get done.

That would certainly be, uh, uh, a pretty good application,

at least for us, for something like that, uh.

One of the things, uh, of contention,

and, hu, Bob Lazar has come out with this video now

where he explains the technology,

and I'm sure a lot of people have seen

the, uh, uh, the...

methodology by which, uh, Bob explains

how these craft operate, the use of creating

a gravitational field and having it focused.

And if you want to go from point A to point B,

you create an intensified gravitational wave on point B,

warp the space in between and...

the-- the problem that I'm getting back from physicists

who are looking at this as an explanation,

uh, there are quite a number of issues

that they've raised about, you know,

well, it looks like you're obtaining free energy

somewhere or something like that.

Uh, but the big issue is, okay, if that's true...

what determines whether

you go to point B when you shut this thing off

or go back to point A where-- where you started?

What, you know, there must be some mechanism in which all--

In other words, there's a lot of holes in the explanation.

Do you feel that, uh,

you can at this point try to fill in any of these gaps?

Do you think you understand this technology, uh,

to-- to any degree that-- that suggests to you

that it's in effect workable?

No, I don't know that much about it.

I can explain it about like you just did.

- Mm-hmm. - Uh...

But I couldn't get into a detailed explanation

with a physicist and say,

"Yes, this is how it works, this is why it works.

Now let me answer your question."

- Mm-hmm. - I couldn't do that.

Well, we can establish one that the disks are real.

They use an exotic technology.

They are capable of doing some rather extraordinary things,

even from a third-party observer viewpoint

where we're limited to what we can see

within our, uh, limited dimension

and limited understanding of physics.

Uh, I guess the question would be, uh,

is it possible

that Bob was given

a false understanding, for some reason,

of the technology, and he is out now

releasing this information

uh, that perhaps isn't even accurate?

Is that possible in your mind?

We've always felt that was possible.

We've always felt that there was

no satisfactory explanation

as to how I could have been,

uh, so interested in UFOs in the summer of '88

and just happened to have met, uh, a scientist

who, four months later, just happened to have been able

to work on flying saucers

and then just happens to come to my house

and tells me all this stuff.

There-- It-- it really just doesn't make sense.

That's the way it happened.

Oh, you know, I was very satisfied with the issue that,

one, uh, Bob Lazar is not lying.

He's telling what he believes

to be the facts as he knows them.

But I can't quite let go

of my visit to Everett Hineman,

the Deputy Director for Science and Technology

at CIA in Langley, Virginia,

the headquarters building,

and I had asked him about Bob Lazar

and about the test flight program at S-4

and asked if he could look into that.

Actually, I was trying to see

if he could identify, uh, Dennis Mariani...

uh, who was Bob Lazar's boss at the test site.

And I think that, uh...

it was two weeks later

when Everett Hineman called me back and I asked him,

were you able to substantiate the, uh, issues I had raised

while I was in there regarding Bob Lazar and S-4?

And, uh, anyway, bottom line was that he said,

"No, this is-- I talked to some folks

and it didn't-- didn't indicate that it wasn't true.

What he said was,

I come to different conclusions than you do."

He wasn't aware that I'd offered any conclusions per se

relative to that, but I thought

it was a very interesting comment

that clearly suggested that, yes, there was a program,

it involved Bob Lazar somehow,

and, uh, the fact that we come to different conclusions

than they did or he did,

uh, would clearly suggest that maybe there was, you know,

a real point behind this whole thing that involved Bob.

And the point was to,

uh, for whatever purpose, leak information.

Whether that information is disinformation

or genuine information, uh,

it has accomplished one thing clearly

and that has been extraordinarily

thought-provoking and has opened our eyes

to the prospects and possibilities

of exotic technologies far beyond

what science has even bothered to take a look at.

And since that time with Bob Lazar,

I've also found that some of the things that Bob brought up,

issues about element 115, I mean,

we've been still stuck talking about the prospects

of coming up with element 105 and 106

and how they were just, you know, fleeting half-lives

that appeared for microseconds, uh, and it-- it was gone.

How could it be that you could have a, you know, solid object,

as it were, that was an element

that's in this high a range, uh, the-- the stability factor.

And Bob had come right out and said

that there was an island of stability, uh,

after you reach a certain level climbing up the periodic chart.

Just go look in your, uh, encyclopedia and you'll see

a list of periodic chart of the elements

if you don't remember from back in your old high school days

or new high school days, if that happens to be the case.

Uh...

And-- and you'll see that, uh, the periodic chart

doesn't go up very high,

not-- certainly not up into the teens and so on.

But most recently, we've seen some

technical documentation out of the scientific community

that really is, it's amazing.

The only thing that, uh,

is somewhat of a-- of difference

from what Bob Lazar has said is that Bob indicated

that, uh, we couldn't even synthesize element 115

on this planet because it would require

such an enormous amount of energy

that you would have to go, uh, uh, a binary star system

or someplace where there was a supernova-type explosion

in order for this to have occurred.

Uh...

The issue of contention there now is that

it seems that there has been a good bit of research done

in the last couple of years,

probably even while Bob was at the test site,

and we're not talking about just the United States,

this is European research as well,

uh, where they have been experimenting

with super-heavy elements in the 112, 114, 116 range.

So I think it should be established that, you know,

although it seems to be new physics

that Bob's talking about, there has been some very, uh,

uh, traditional science, in other words,

not at the test site, not in super secrecy,

but in, uh, traditional university science

where they've been experimenting with these.

Yeah, but you have to understand that that information

on supposedly working with 112 and 113 and 114,

that information only came out

after Bob started talking about it [indistinct].

That's correct. That's, uh-- It is, uh, very new information.

- It's just come out in 1992. - So it's kind of--

It's kind of after the fact.

Oh, yes, yeah, I'm sure we were doing that, uh...

No, but what I'm, my point simply is is that

it tends to validate what Bob was saying

because nobody before Bob had mentioned it publicly,

nobody certainly in the public domain had any knowledge

whatsoever about the prospects of a heav-- super-heavy element

much less there being some kind of an island of stability.

Now there is, uh research and again,

this plays into the hand of,

okay, if we know these, that we've got projects,

uhm research going on

where we're going to start talking about this thing,

uh, it certainly, uh, indicates

that somebody was really, really jumping the gun

exposing Bob to this and maybe even knowing

that he was going to come forward with this

before any of the scientific papers ever came out

on the street and became public knowledge.

So, uh, again, we're-- we're talking about,

uh, some of the information that Bob was given

clearly is valid information because now we can support,

uh, the contention that element 115

clearly is a possibility.

Whether it came from some other world

or whether it's manufactured, uh, here

through some advanced program

that we've not been made privileged to,

it is indeed a possibility, which opens up the possibilities

of several of the other things going on.

Now, let's move on to something else.

John, uh, you were one of the first ones

way back in 1987 to start talking about,

uh, the Dulce Base projects, uh,

revelations of an underground facility

in the Archuleta Mesa area

near the Jicarilla Apache Indian, uh, Reservation.

Uh, what have you learned about that?

How do you stand on that now? What is, uh, the accepted, uh...

Now I know Paul Bennewitz fits into this somehow.

Uh, where did you get that information to start

and where do we stand on all of that now?

Uh, the first information that the Dulce Base exists,

which is a, uh...

reportedly, uh, jointly occupied

underground base between, uh.

CIA, if you will, and the aliens, the Greys.

Uh, that information came from Bennewitz.

Uh, shortly after that, uh, I was in a meeting

with several, uh, UFO researchers up in Crestone,

in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains,

and was handed a letter by one of them that he received

from a lady in Las Vegas, Nevada,

uh, that said that she had a friend

that worked at an underground base,

uh, specifically Dulce, and, uh...

that she had pictures

uh, and wanted to talk to somebody about it.

Well, as is usually the case, time will tell.

Thanks for joining us.

We comfort ourselves with progress.

New phones, new rockets, new cures.

Believing each advancement

marks the height of our achievement.

But what if these are only the crumbs of a feast

happening behind locked doors?

What if the true acceleration of humanity

has been diverted into a private timeline,

guarded by those who benefit from control

more than uplift?

Imagine a civilization that has mastered gravity.

That travels without propulsion.

That understands time not as a direction

but as an accessible landscape.

Picture medicine that regrows lost organs,

erases trauma...

and extends life to centuries,

not theoretically, but routinely.

Envision energy drawn freely from space itself.

Abundant enough to erase economies

built on scarcity.

Such a civilization may already exist.

Not light years away,

but behind a security badge.

This isn't science fiction.

It is classified science fact...

decades ahead of what the public sees.

We aren't waiting for the future.

We are waiting for permission.

Perhaps what we call conspiracy

is merely unauthorized knowledge.

And the real conspiracy is convincing billions

to believe they have reached the peak

of what is possible...

while a select few already live beyond those limits.

John Lear's testimony challenges not our intelligence,

but our obedience.

We are taught to reject ideas

that do not come from approved authorities.

Yet those same authorities

rely on secrecy to maintain their dominance.

Denial does not erase existence.

Silence does not erase presence.

The absence of permission does not mean the absence of truth.

Somewhere, engines powered

by the fabric of reality itself are taking flight.

Somewhere, an intelligence older and wiser

walks among us without recognition.

And somewhere, a version of humanity

has already stepped into the stars,

leaving the rest of us squinting at the sky,

unaware of what we are missing.

Maybe disclosure isn't a revelation.

Maybe it is a realization,

a shift that begins not with governments,

but with individuals who refuse to let fear decide what is real.

John Lear was one of those individuals.

And as long as there are people who continue to ask,

to doubt the official silence, and to wonder...