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Hi. My name's Michael Weatherly.
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Tonight's episode of Bull
deals with a citywide panic
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not unlike the fears
and concerns
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people are experiencing all over
the world at this moment.
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Before we start,
we wanted to remind you:
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this is a work of fiction.
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It was written
and filmed months ago.
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And its only purpose
is to entertain you.
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And that will do it for
the headlines for the 9:00 hour.
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We will see you back here
at 9:30.
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For New York News 3,
I'm Allison Rojas.
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And we're out.
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Nice broadcast.
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- Thanks.
- That new shade of lipstick, that looks great on camera.
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Who would send me
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a birthday card
two months before my birthday?
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Okay, this is not funny.
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- Oh, no. It's in your hair.
- It's everywhere.
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- I have to be back on the air in 23 and a half minutes.
- No, I'll get-get,
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Uh, wardrobe and makeup.
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Hurry.
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Yesterday morning,
my wife... she woke up achy, nauseous.
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She had a bit of a fever,
said her chest hurt.
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We thought it was the flu.
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But then, today,
she started coughing up blood.
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Attendant,
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- let's get her to Room One.
- Yes, Doctor.
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Let's page Dr. Farmer
and the chief,
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and then alert the Health
Department and the CDC.
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The-the CDC?
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Center for Disease Control?
What's going on?
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Government buildings
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remain closed
and subway ridership
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is at its lowest level
since 9/11
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as anthrax terror grips
Manhattan.
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A quiet panic has descended
on the city
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as New Yorkers are trying
to figure out who's behind this
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and when it will end.
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At this hour,
the death toll remains at two.
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The deceased are Katie Connors,
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who opened a birthday card
addressed to her husband,
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Manhattan Congressman
Peter Connors,
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and Emmanuel Bakry, the postal
worker who delivered it.
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But, finally, some good news.
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News 3's Allison Rojas
is responding to treatment
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after opening an anthrax-laden
greeting card
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in this very studio
more than a week ago.
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Doctors expect her and the four
other News 3 staffers
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who were taken ill
to make a full recovery.
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Folks, we're about to roll,
so I need quiet.
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Five, four,
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three, two...
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Good afternoon from ground zero.
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Here in Manhattan we're all
collectively holding our breath,
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waiting for the next
anthrax-laden shoe to drop.
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With that thought in mind,
we thought we'd pay a visit
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to Hudson University, which is
one of the foremost laboratories
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for the study of chemical
weapons and bio-pathogens.
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We wanted to talk
with Dr. Roger Simpkins,
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a microbiologist and researcher
who runs this lab,
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which is financed
in a combination of funding
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from the university
and the government.
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Dr. Simpkins,
any words of wisdom
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or homespun advice
for our viewers tuning in,
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missing work and school,
doing everything they can
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to keep themselves
from becoming a victim,
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falling ill,
possibly even dying?
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The thing we all
need to remember
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is that anthrax is not a virus.
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It's a bacteria, and that means
you can't catch it.
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It can't be transmitted
from person-to-person,
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so if you don't have
direct contact with it,
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it poses no threat to you.
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So calm down.
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A-And I've been told
that even if you do have direct contact,
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it's still
not necessarily fatal.
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Absolutely true.
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If anthrax is identified early,
it can be treated.
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What makes it tricky
is early anthrax symptoms
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look just like the flu.
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So unless your doctor knows
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that you've actually had
contact with it,
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the disease can go undetected
until the drugs we use
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to cure it are no
longer effective.
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But it's been nearly 20 years
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since the last round
of anthrax incidents.
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How is it there's still
no cure for this stuff?
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Well, ironically,
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uh, last year at this time,
my, uh, colleagues and I
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were in the process
of developing
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some very promising new
late-stage anthrax treatments.
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Wait.
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"Were"?
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Well, our funding, particularly
with regard to anthrax research,
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comes from
the federal government.
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And they pulled
way back this year.
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What can I tell you?
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Go write your congressman.
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The FBI is in my office.
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They've determined
that the anthrax used
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in all these recent attacks
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comes from our labs.
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They want to talk
to the three of you.
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What did you do?
Get a second job?
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Aren't you afraid of dogs?
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Other postal workers
going postal?
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Not funny.
It's just my mail
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for the last couple of weeks.
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I made the post office
hold it for me.
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Once I found out the FBI
arrested the anthrax killer,
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I figured it was finally safe
to pick it up
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and sort through it all.
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Won't be needing that anymore.
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Bull in his office?
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I'm in the middle
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of some very important
procrastination.
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Hey. Sorry to interrupt.
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Why are you so glum,
Mr. Colón?
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Haven't you heard?
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It's a glorious day in New York.
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Spring has sprung,
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Easter's barely a month away,
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and the anthrax killer
is off the streets.
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We can put this whole
dark chapter behind us.
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Well, actually, no, we can't.
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What does that mean?
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You remember, a couple
of years ago, we signed up
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to be a part of that program
where private firms offer
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their services
to the public defender's office?
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No. I got nothing on that.
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Must have been trying to get
into somebody's good graces.
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What's the difference?
We offered,
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and this morning they called.
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Natalie Reznick, the accused
anthrax killer, is facing
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two counts of capital murder
and a slew of other charges.
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Well, she needs a defense team,
and we're one of the few firms
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in the city with the expertise
to handle that type of case.
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Well, just call 'em back
and tell 'em no.
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I have a newborn child
and you have...
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Just say that
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we really appreciate the offer,
but we are not interested
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in representing
a terrorist at this time.
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An accused terrorist.
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I think you're missing
the point.
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The federal defender's office
wasn't asking
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when they called me
this morning.
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They were telling.
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It's our case, Bull.
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Happy spring.
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I have no idea why I'm here.
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Surely you heard the FBI agent
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read you the charges before
he took you into custody.
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You're being charged with
murdering two people
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with a Tier 1 federal
select biological agent
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and terrorizing the
city of New York.
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Yes, of course, but wh-why would
they think I would do that?
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Well, the evidence against you
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will be laid out
at your arraignment,
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but based
on the charging documents,
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the FBI has
a pretty strong case.
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How is that possible?
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Well, when the funding
for your anthrax research
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was cut last year,
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you sent out dozens of e-mails.
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To journalists, to politicians.
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The very people who've been
the targets in these attacks.
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Well, y-yes, b-but that's...
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that's just a coincidence.
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The-the letters that I was
writing were about
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how shortsighted and dangerous
it was to cut that funding.
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Just because anthrax was
out of the news did not mean
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that it was no longer a risk
to national security.
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Well, the U.S.
Attorney's Office
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suspects that when your warnings
fell on deaf ears,
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you orchestrated these attacks
to prove a point.
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"Anthrax is still out there.
It's still lethal."
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That's absurd. I am a doctor,
I am a scientist.
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The work that my team was doing
was about saving lives.
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How on earth
would killing people
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help us achieve that goal?
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If that's all they had,
I'd agree with you.
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Are you aware that your office
had been bleached
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before the FBI searched it?
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Yes.
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Bleach is a disinfectant.
I work with pathogens.
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But yours was the only office
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in the complex
to have been so recently
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and thoroughly bleached.
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Bleach kills anthrax.
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It makes it appear as if
you were destroying evidence.
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Your apartment had
been bleached, too.
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And investigators found a stash
of the antibiotic ciprofloxacin
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and a box of N95 face
masks in your kitchen.
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They suspect you used both
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when you assembled the
anthrax-laden birthday cards.
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I mean, the masks were... I...
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I was gonna paint my bathroom.
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And I go on a medical mission
every year.
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This year, it's Cambodia.
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Last year, it was Honduras,
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Guadalupe.
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Anyway, my doctor gives me cipro
before I go every year.
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I meant what I said.
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I have no idea why I'm here.
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I believe the woman.
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I mean, she says she has no idea
what she's doing behind bars.
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I believe her.
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Okay. Well, that
makes two of you.
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Unfortunately, the government
sees it all quite differently.
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Yeah, government. You ever heard
of detective myopia?
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Detective myopia?
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No. Can't say that I have.
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It is when law enforcement,
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usually because of extreme
public or political pressure,
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picks a suspect and then
evaluates all the evidence
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with the predisposition
that that suspect is guilty.
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And they stop
looking for other suspects,
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they stop running down leads
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that don't back up
their predetermined theories.
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All their work goes into proving
that their suspect,
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the person they picked
at random is guilty.
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City's in a panic.
FBI needs
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to restore calm.
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Natalie presented as someone
with access to the bacteria
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and an apparent motive,
so they combed through her life
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looking for ways
to prove she did it.
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Detective myopia.
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I think we need to argue
for a change of venue.
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Well... I know legal strategy
isn't exactly
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my area of expertise,
but I have been going through
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the potential jury lists,
and, well, given the panic
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and all of the publicity
around this case,
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wouldn't we be likely to get
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a more impartial jury
somewhere else?
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Somewhere that hasn't been
through as much as New York has?
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That's not a bad
thought, actually.
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You know, the problem is,
it's next to impossible
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to get a change of venue
in a federal criminal case.
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I'm just worried.
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No matter how
I look at the data,
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I just don't know how
we're gonna seat a jury
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that can look past
their own fears.
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That's why we shouldn't try.
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In fact, we should do
just the opposite.
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We should scare the living
daylights out of 'em.
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People are predisposed
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to convicting Natalie
because they want to believe
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that the danger has passed.
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So what we need to do
is convince the jury...
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that it hasn't.
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Anybody remember the last time
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we had a series
of anthrax attacks?
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It was right after 9/11,
wasn't it?
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Yes, yes. Very good.
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And do you remember how long
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it took for them
to find the perpetrator?
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Uh...
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I seem to recall
it was pretty quick.
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Indeed it was.
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Attorney General John Ashcroft
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publicly named former biodefense
researcher Steven Jay Hatfill
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as a person of interest
in the attacks.
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FBI tapped his phone.
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He lost his job,
couldn't get another one.
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Almost committed suicide.
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Then, in 2008,
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everyone suddenly realized
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that they were persecuting
the wrong man.
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So here's my question to you.
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How many of you folks believe
that, of course,
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with all the best intentions
in the world,
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people whose job it is
to root out the bad guys
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sometimes get it wrong?
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Now we're getting somewhere.
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Means, motive and opportunity...
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They must feel they have it,
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or they wouldn't
have brought the case.
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For those of us
who didn't go to law school,
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what does "means" mean again?
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It means she could do it;
she had the tools necessary.
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In this case, anthrax.
She worked at a place
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where anthrax
was readily available.
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Yeah, but there's
more to it than that.
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Every expert I've spoken with
said the same thing.
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Researchers work
with wet anthrax spores.
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To make a-a powder that
can be sent in the mail,
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you have to use
dry anthrax spores,
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and in order to dry them,
you have to use a very specific,
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very large piece of equipment
built just for that purpose.
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Which, of course,
they have at the lab?
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Which, of course, they have
at the lab.
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But all of that takes time.
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Stealing the anthrax.
Drying the anthrax.
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I've skimmed over this
grand jury transcript
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three times...
I've yet to see an explanation
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for when Natalie
would have been able to do that
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- without raising suspicion.
- Obviously,
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They are saving their
biggest surprises for trial.
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I'll give you another one.
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So, the FBI was able
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to determine that
all the anthrax letters
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were mailed from this mailbox
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within a specific
eight-hour period.
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Really?
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Well, since
I'm the only one here
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who hasn't worked
for Homeland or FBI,
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can someone tell me
how they do that?
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When you drop a letter
into a government mailbox,
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it goes into a bin
that's location-specific
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and time-coded.
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When that bin is carried back
to the general post office
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for processing
and your letter is postmarked,
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it carries
all that information with it.
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Wow. That's really cool.
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And more than a little scary.
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Back to the pictures.
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All right, so, the FBI
examined security footage
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from area cameras taken
during the same time frame.
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They were able to eliminate
all but three people
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who mailed letters
during that period.
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Wha...? And how were they able
to do that?
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How could they tell
from these... grainy photos
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who's mailing anthrax
and who isn't?
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Well, I can't be sure,
but my suspicion is,
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what they really did
was basically eliminate everyone
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who didn't look like Natalie.
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There is your detective myopia
that Bull keeps talking about.
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And that left them
with three people
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who did look like Natalie?
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Well, it left them
with three people,
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like this person here.
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Or this person here.
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Or this person here.
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People who don't really look
like anyone in particular.
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At least
not as far as I can tell.
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So what am I gonna tell Bull?
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Opening arguments, testimony
start tomorrow morning.
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What in the world
am I gonna tell Bull?
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Tell him that Danny and I
are putting together dossiers
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on everyone
Natalie works with, and...
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That our strategy
hasn't changed.
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To get the jury and the public
to let go of the idea
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that Natalie is the mastermind
behind these attacks,
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we have to... come up
with another credible suspect.
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And we will.
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Now,
Dr. Poulson, as a researcher
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in the Medical
Countermeasures Unit
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at Hudson University
Laboratories,
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you frequently work
shoulder-to-shoulder
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with Natalie Reznick,
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- don't you?
- Yes, I do.
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Now, it's against the lab's
standard operating procedures
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for anyone to work alone?
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- That's correct, yes.
- And to your knowledge,
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Dr. Poulson,
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did Dr. Reznick
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ever simply disregard this tenet
of standard operating procedure?
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Yes, I believe
she may have. Once.
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About a week before the attacks.
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You're referring to the evening
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- of the 11th?
- I don't know what he's talking about.
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It was late. We were
the only two people in the lab.
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And at around 7:00 p.m.,
I got summoned
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to the chancellor's office
for a call with D.C.
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Much of the work we do
at our labs
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is in partnership
with the Department
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of Defense,
so when they say jump,
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we jump.
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And I told Natalie to...
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clean up and that we
would finish up another day.
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So I left her unattended.
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Which, as the senior researcher,
I shouldn't have done.
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But she assured me that she
would just take a few minutes
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and then she would leave.
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Just to be clear.
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Your expectation
was that Dr. Reznick
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would take five,
maybe ten minutes
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to clean up the lab
and then leave.
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Correct?
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That was my assumption, yes.
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Dr. Poulson...
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this is a single frame
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from security footage taken
from the night in question.
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It shows someone leaving the
laboratory complex at Hudson.
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Can you identify that person?
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It's Dr. Reznick.
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And could you read
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the time stamp
on the photo for us, please?
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9:26 p.m.
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9:26 p.m.
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Two and a half hours
after you left the lab, correct?
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Yes.
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Dr. Poulson,
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in your professional opinion,
if Dr. Reznick had been alone
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in that lab, not just
for a few minutes to clean up,
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but for several hours, would
that have given her enough time
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to dry the anthrax spores
into a powder
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and sneak them out of the lab?
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Objection, Your Honor!
Calls for speculation.
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Your Honor,
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Dr. Poulson is a microbiologist.
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I'm simply asking him
for his professional opinion.
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Objection overruled.
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I'll allow him to answer.
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I believe it would have, yes.
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No further questions for now, Your Honor.
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Dr. Poulson.
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Really appreciate
you being here today.
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Now, I know we've heard
a lot of speculation
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about what might have happened,
what could have happened,
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but you are a scientist.
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You deal with the physical
facts of the world.
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So let's get back to that.
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Do you have any proof
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that Dr. Reznick stayed
in the lab alone
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any longer than
she told you she would?
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Well, based on the time stamp...
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Oh, no, no. That
time stamp only proves
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what time she left the building,
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which was two and a half hours
after you did.
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Nowhere does it indicate
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what time she left
the lab itself, does it?
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No, it doesn't.
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Uh-huh.
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Now, Dr. Reznick maintains
she left the lab
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as promised and spent
the remainder of that time
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in her office typing a report
of the day's work.
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In fact...
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you reviewed that very report
the next morning, didn't you?
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It's quite possible.
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I often review the reports
from the previous night
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the next morning.
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I see.
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And before the FBI informed you
that Dr. Reznick was a suspect,
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did you have any reason
to suspect her of this crime?
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No.
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I've always believed Natalie
to be trustworthy and...
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a passionate scientist.
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And I'm still inclined
to believe so.
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I mean, hon...
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honestly...
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I hope the version of events
you just laid out is the truth.
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Thank you very much,
Dr. Poulson.
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No further questions,
Your Honor.
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Redirect?
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Regardless of what you
might hope,
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Dr. Poulson,
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doesn't the fact remain
that a pathogen was stolen
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from your lab?
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- Yes.
- And based
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On your own testimony,
wouldn't you agree
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that Dr. Reznick was
the only researcher
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who could possibly have had
an opportunity
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- to do it?
- Asked and answered,
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Your Honor.
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Counsel is badgering
the witness.
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I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor.
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How's the view
from where you're sitting?
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The only good news is,
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it can't get any worse.
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I'm awake.
It's okay.
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00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:33,148
Partying all
night with Astrid again, huh?
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Yeah.
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I was sitting in the living room
at 3:00 in the morning,
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little Astrid up on my shoulder.
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I was trying
to get a burp out of her.
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And I flip on the news,
and we're everywhere.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Every channel.
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And if it is our intention
to convince the jury
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that the real anthrax killer
is still out there,
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well, the national media
has not picked up on it.
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00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:58,340
Which means...
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we're failing.
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00:21:01,218 --> 00:21:03,345
Well, you don't know that.
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Our target's the jury,
not cable news.
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But the world of cable news
is the world
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these jurors go home to
every night.
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And if the CNNs and the Foxes
and the CNBCs aren't buying
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our version of events,
then neither
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are the jurors' families
or neighbors.
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And we all know they're not
supposed to talk about the case
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or watch the news about it...
but they do.
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I'm sorry, Bull, but I think
you're being a little premature.
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The prosecution is still
presenting their case,
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and we haven't even
gotten our turn.
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I know. But we can't
wait until then.
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We have to go
on the offensive now.
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We got to use every objection,
every cross to hammer home
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how dangerous it will be
if the jury gets this one wrong.
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The killer is still out there.
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My wife, my-my wife Katie,
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she didn't aspire
to a political life.
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I mean, heck,
when I met her in grad school,
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she didn't even read the paper.
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But then we fell in love,
and the next thing you know,
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I'm running for office and then
we're out there together
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on the campaign trail.
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00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:09,703
Oh, she was a natural.
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I mean, she loved people.
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And people sensed it
and they loved her right back.
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You see, I take enormous pride
in being a congressman.
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But the thought that my job,
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that my commitment
to public service
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somehow contributed
to her d-death...
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00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:32,059
It's all right,
Congressman Connors.
506
00:22:32,142 --> 00:22:33,935
No further questions.
507
00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:36,563
Uh, Bull, it's not
looking good here.
508
00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:38,732
This jury really feels
for the congressman.
509
00:22:38,815 --> 00:22:40,942
Of course they do. So do I.
510
00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:43,904
But that doesn't mean his pain
is Natalie's fault.
511
00:22:43,987 --> 00:22:46,656
Congressman Connors.
512
00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:49,451
I'd just like to say
how profoundly sorry I am
513
00:22:49,534 --> 00:22:50,827
for your loss.
514
00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,287
Thank you.
515
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:54,539
Now, much has been
made of the fact
516
00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:58,251
that you were a part
of a long list of legislators
517
00:22:58,335 --> 00:23:00,420
Dr. Reznick reached out to
in the wake
518
00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:03,131
of a funding cut
to her research program.
519
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:06,301
Now, do you recall
Dr. Reznick's
520
00:23:06,384 --> 00:23:09,471
message to you to be
threatening in any way?
521
00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:11,139
Honestly, I don't.
522
00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:15,977
You see, my staff filters my
e-mails, so I only learned about
523
00:23:16,061 --> 00:23:21,108
that message in the, in the
aftermath of my wife's passing.
524
00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:24,152
But, no, it did not appear
to be threatening.
525
00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:27,823
But I imagine your office
must receive
526
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,492
threatening e-mails
from time to time?
527
00:23:30,575 --> 00:23:32,452
Yes, unfortunately,
in my line of work,
528
00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:34,329
you have to make
tough choices sometimes,
529
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:35,997
choices that anger people,
530
00:23:36,081 --> 00:23:38,792
and occasionally
those people do lash out.
531
00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:43,338
How many threats would you
estimate that you've received
532
00:23:43,421 --> 00:23:46,174
in the seven years
that you've been in Congress?
533
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:51,805
Uh, like I said, my staff
filters my communications,
534
00:23:51,888 --> 00:23:54,182
so there's really
no way for me to know.
535
00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:57,185
Well, my office inquired.
536
00:23:57,269 --> 00:24:01,148
And according to your staff,
it's 102.
537
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,234
That's how many unique threats
538
00:24:04,317 --> 00:24:07,362
your office has received
in the past seven years.
539
00:24:07,445 --> 00:24:10,699
19 of those were death threats.
540
00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:12,868
So let me ask you,
541
00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:18,498
in the wake of these attacks,
to the best of your knowledge,
542
00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:23,253
did the FBI investigate
those 19 people
543
00:24:23,336 --> 00:24:26,047
who previously threatened
to take your life?
544
00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,508
They may have.
545
00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:30,886
Honestly, I don't know.
546
00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:33,430
You don't know.
547
00:24:33,513 --> 00:24:37,225
Wow. That's kind of unsettling.
548
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:40,353
I mean, did the FBI
even ask you about
549
00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:44,357
anyone who possibly could have
had a vendetta against you
550
00:24:44,441 --> 00:24:46,067
during that time period?
551
00:24:46,151 --> 00:24:48,570
I don't know.
552
00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:52,782
Well, then I truly am sorry
for you, Congressman Connors.
553
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:56,536
Not only for your tragic
loss, but also because,
554
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:59,789
apparently, law enforcement
seems more interested
555
00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:02,500
in scapegoating Natalie Reznick
than it does
556
00:25:02,584 --> 00:25:05,712
in making sure your wife's
real killer is off the streets.
557
00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:08,590
Objection. Counsel
is testifying.
558
00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:10,300
Sustained.
559
00:25:10,383 --> 00:25:13,595
The jury will disregard
the defense's last statement.
560
00:25:13,678 --> 00:25:15,430
Ask a question, Mr. Colón.
561
00:25:15,513 --> 00:25:16,765
That's all right, Your Honor.
562
00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:18,266
I have no further questions
563
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,286
- at this time.
- I'm sure you can't see it yet,
564
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,479
But it finally feels
like we're making progress.
565
00:25:22,562 --> 00:25:24,790
The government will
call its next witness, please.
566
00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:27,901
The government rests
its case, Your Honor.
567
00:25:27,984 --> 00:25:31,488
Then the defense will call
its first witness, please.
568
00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:34,324
My parents came to this country
before I was born.
569
00:25:34,407 --> 00:25:36,868
They were scientists
in the Soviet Union,
570
00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:38,828
but they refused to toe
the party line,
571
00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:40,997
so their lives were in danger.
572
00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:44,501
They fled
and they found sanctuary here,
573
00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:45,168
in America.
574
00:25:45,252 --> 00:25:47,337
And until the day they died,
575
00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:49,631
they never ceased
being grateful for that.
576
00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:52,759
And they raised me
to be grateful, too.
577
00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:56,513
I decided when I was
578
00:25:56,596 --> 00:25:58,473
a very young girl
that, when I grew up,
579
00:25:58,556 --> 00:26:00,475
I-I would help people somehow,
580
00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:02,352
protect people somehow.
581
00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:05,981
So, is that how you ended
up researching cures
582
00:26:06,064 --> 00:26:08,108
for deadly biological weapons?
583
00:26:08,191 --> 00:26:11,319
Uh, well, it was...
584
00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:13,488
It was part of it, sure.
585
00:26:13,571 --> 00:26:15,198
A love of science.
586
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:17,075
I don't know.
587
00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:19,911
It-it-it gives me
a sense of satisfaction,
588
00:26:19,995 --> 00:26:21,538
like I'm-I'm pulling
my own weight,
589
00:26:21,621 --> 00:26:23,999
I'm doing my share.
590
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:26,835
I am showing my gratitude.
591
00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:29,337
So the idea that you would hurt
592
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:33,842
or kill fellow Americans
for your own personal gain...
593
00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:35,343
Is absurd.
594
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,345
To do the work that I do,
595
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,681
you have...
You have to become a doctor.
596
00:26:39,764 --> 00:26:42,309
I'm-I'm a doctor.
597
00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:44,352
I took an oath to save lives.
598
00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:48,023
Why would I knowingly set out
to hurt anyone?
599
00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:50,817
Kill anyone?
600
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,527
Thank you, Dr. Reznick.
601
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:54,904
No further questions,
Your Honor.
602
00:26:54,988 --> 00:26:57,699
They look engaged to me,
receptive.
603
00:26:57,782 --> 00:26:59,159
Open body language.
604
00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:01,202
A couple jurors
are starting to lean in.
605
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,204
Does that line up
with what you're seeing?
606
00:27:03,288 --> 00:27:04,456
Sure does.
607
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:06,142
They're starting
to find Natalie credible,
608
00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:09,210
and a few of them
are now firmly on her side.
609
00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:11,046
So,
610
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:12,881
Dr. Reznick,
611
00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:14,716
the pleasure you take
from your work
612
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,428
is fundamentally altruistic,
right?
613
00:27:18,511 --> 00:27:21,556
I mean, you want to
pull your own weight.
614
00:27:21,639 --> 00:27:24,392
You want to do your share.
615
00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:28,188
And, most of all,
you want to help people, huh?
616
00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:29,689
Protect people.
617
00:27:29,773 --> 00:27:32,275
This is what you just testified
to, correct?
618
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,361
Yes.
619
00:27:34,444 --> 00:27:35,796
And you would never want
to hurt anyone.
620
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:37,906
You certainly wouldn't want
to see anyone die.
621
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:39,032
I mean, the work
622
00:27:39,115 --> 00:27:40,033
you do,
623
00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:42,243
your very reason for being,
624
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:45,497
is all about saving lives.
625
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:46,915
Is that correct?
626
00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:49,084
That is what I said, yes.
627
00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:50,293
Interesting.
628
00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:52,337
Because I have a video
629
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:54,422
of an academic conference
you participated in,
630
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:56,299
which would seem
631
00:27:56,383 --> 00:27:58,301
to suggest otherwise.
632
00:27:58,385 --> 00:27:59,761
Uh...
Objection.
633
00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:01,805
Your Honor, this is the first
634
00:28:01,888 --> 00:28:03,807
the defense has heard
of any video.
635
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:05,970
- The AUSA knows...
- Your Honor, a concerned citizen
636
00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:07,995
- Sent this video to our office...
- he has a duty to disclose
637
00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:09,455
- Any and all...
- only just yesterday.
638
00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:11,398
Enough! Both of you.
639
00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:12,816
Mr. Reynolds,
640
00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,778
I'm gonna take you at
your word and allow this.
641
00:28:16,861 --> 00:28:19,447
Mr. Colón, I will give you
ample time to prepare
642
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,282
should you choose to redirect.
643
00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:23,034
Let's proceed.
644
00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:26,121
Is that you
up there, Dr. Reznick,
645
00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:27,914
on the stage, in the video?
646
00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:29,666
It is. Yes.
647
00:28:29,749 --> 00:28:32,293
Do you recall
when this video was taken?
648
00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:34,462
Um, I-I believe
649
00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:38,466
it was an ethics panel
at a microbiology conference
650
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,469
about... ten years ago.
651
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,096
I was still a postgrad.
652
00:28:44,597 --> 00:28:49,144
I have a hypothetical question
for you, Dr. Reznick.
653
00:28:49,227 --> 00:28:50,353
Okay.
654
00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:53,481
If an unknown deadly
virus or bacteria
655
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,984
were to infect an
isolated group of people,
656
00:28:56,067 --> 00:28:57,485
what, in your opinion,
657
00:28:57,569 --> 00:29:00,280
is the best course of action?
658
00:29:00,363 --> 00:29:02,323
Um, well, uh,
659
00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:07,120
if there was a chance to contain
the outbreak within that group,
660
00:29:07,203 --> 00:29:08,663
I'd say that the only choice
661
00:29:08,746 --> 00:29:11,916
is to quarantine the infected...
662
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,501
Nobody in, nobody out...
663
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:17,172
And then watch the, uh,
progression of the disease.
664
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:19,007
Even if the disease were deadly?
665
00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:20,383
Well, if you don't know
666
00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:21,176
what the pathogen is,
667
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:23,720
treating the symptoms
may be futile.
668
00:29:23,803 --> 00:29:27,056
You're going to have
to let in medical workers,
669
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:28,409
and then, at some point,
you're going
670
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:29,976
to have to let them back out,
671
00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:31,478
and they very well may carry
672
00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:33,480
whatever it is
to the general population.
673
00:29:33,563 --> 00:29:35,523
So, yeah,
674
00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,108
harsh as it sounds,
675
00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:39,861
quarantine.
676
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:41,196
Because, unfortunately,
677
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,325
sometimes five have to die
to save 5,000.
678
00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:57,587
"Sometimes five have to die
to save 5,000."
679
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,761
Is that why you sent the anthrax
through the mail, Dr. Reznick?
680
00:30:04,844 --> 00:30:08,389
Because you thought it
would be okay to kill two
681
00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:11,017
if it meant recovering the funds
682
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,394
that you needed
in order to find a cure?
683
00:30:13,478 --> 00:30:15,230
Objection.
684
00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:16,397
Facts not in evidence.
685
00:30:16,481 --> 00:30:17,899
Speculation.
686
00:30:17,982 --> 00:30:19,108
Badgering.
687
00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:20,401
Should I go on?
688
00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,111
Of course not.
689
00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:24,405
That is part
of a larger conversation.
690
00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,425
You lifted that out of context.
691
00:30:26,449 --> 00:30:28,260
- Dr. Reznick.
- And organically contracting
692
00:30:28,284 --> 00:30:30,036
A disease
is fundamentally different
693
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,239
- than intentionally infecting someone.
- Dr. Reznick.
694
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:33,915
Dr. Reznick.
695
00:30:33,998 --> 00:30:37,210
Your attorney was making
an objection on your behalf.
696
00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:39,128
In the future, when an attorney
697
00:30:39,212 --> 00:30:40,421
makes an objection,
698
00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:43,383
please refrain from answering
until I've rendered my decision
699
00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:45,093
on the objection.
700
00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:47,095
I will let
the witness's statement
701
00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:48,930
remain in the record.
702
00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:51,391
Let's take a ten-minute
break and allow everyone
703
00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:53,619
- to cool down. The witness will remain...
- How's this playing where you are?
704
00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:54,477
Not terribly well.
705
00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,604
I'm afraid
we lost all our greens, Bull.
706
00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:59,128
We will continue her
testimony at that time.
707
00:31:03,736 --> 00:31:04,881
So, how was dinner?
708
00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:06,072
Not great.
709
00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:08,032
I wasn't hungry.
I'd been eating
710
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,385
my small intestine
all afternoon.
711
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:10,785
I promise you,
712
00:31:10,868 --> 00:31:13,162
it was as difficult
to listen to over here
713
00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:17,834
as I'm sure it was
for you to witness in person.
714
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:19,669
The problem is, was,
715
00:31:19,752 --> 00:31:21,879
and continues to be
we've presented the jury
716
00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:23,798
with no real alternatives
to our client.
717
00:31:23,881 --> 00:31:25,883
We keep insisting
it must be someone else, but...
718
00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:27,029
we never say who.
719
00:31:27,053 --> 00:31:28,136
Yeah.
720
00:31:28,219 --> 00:31:30,680
Bull's hitting the nail
on the head, Marissa.
721
00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:33,016
Every time I feel like
we're making progress,
722
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:35,977
every time I feel a hint
of traction with this jury,
723
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:37,270
it all slips away.
724
00:31:37,353 --> 00:31:40,773
That's because they have no one
else to consider but Natalie.
725
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:42,942
I hear you. And all
I can tell you is that...
726
00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:44,986
Danny, Chunk, and Taylor...
727
00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:47,155
Who is standing
right next to me...
728
00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:49,741
They're all beating the bushes,
729
00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:52,535
trying to find someone who could
have plausibly pulled this off.
730
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:54,162
Dr. Bull, did
you get a chance
731
00:31:54,245 --> 00:31:56,056
to go through those dossiers
I prepared for you?
732
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,042
There's material there on
almost 50 lab employees,
733
00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:01,002
all of whom have
access to anthrax.
734
00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:03,838
I'm getting through them
as fast as I can, Taylor.
735
00:32:03,921 --> 00:32:06,049
But it's not as if anyone
flagged one of the employees
736
00:32:06,132 --> 00:32:09,677
and said, "Here's
a plausible suspect."
737
00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:11,030
Come on, Bull.
We are all pulling
738
00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:12,513
on the same end
of the rope here.
739
00:32:13,787 --> 00:32:14,974
What?
740
00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:16,142
The hell was that?
741
00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:18,102
What's going on over there?
742
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,196
Uh...
743
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,198
is it...
safe out here?
744
00:32:30,281 --> 00:32:31,866
Absolutely.
745
00:32:31,949 --> 00:32:34,035
My name is, uh, Jason Bull.
746
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,995
This is my place of business.
747
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:37,872
I have two employees inside.
748
00:32:37,955 --> 00:32:41,125
Do you have any sense of when
they'll be able to come out?
749
00:32:41,209 --> 00:32:43,878
They will be able to come out
at some point, right?
750
00:32:43,961 --> 00:32:45,713
It's gonna be quite a while.
751
00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:47,590
You might want
to give them a call.
752
00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:51,594
How you guys feeling?
753
00:32:51,678 --> 00:32:54,013
At the moment?
Absolutely fine.
754
00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:56,015
A little hungry.
755
00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:57,225
He asked.
756
00:32:57,308 --> 00:32:58,893
We can't eat anything
from the kitchen.
757
00:32:58,976 --> 00:33:01,062
Can't eat anything until
they give us the all clear
758
00:33:01,145 --> 00:33:02,355
and we can get out of here.
759
00:33:02,438 --> 00:33:04,458
We are gonna be fine. They've
loaded us up with antibiotics.
760
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:05,400
I think it's primarily
761
00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,902
about waiting for lab results
at this point.
762
00:33:07,985 --> 00:33:10,405
Marissa, Taylor, I'm so sorry
you're going through this.
763
00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:11,572
They give you
764
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,199
any ETA on these tests?
765
00:33:13,282 --> 00:33:16,035
Uh, they've estimated
another three hours or so.
766
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,871
Taylor, do you need us
to swing by your place
767
00:33:18,955 --> 00:33:19,955
and pick up your son?
768
00:33:19,997 --> 00:33:21,749
Nope. He's at his dad's.
769
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:22,834
Thank goodness.
770
00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,753
Hey, uh, guys, there's nothing
for you to do here.
771
00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:27,422
Why don't you just head home?
772
00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:30,383
Bull, I will text you as soon
as they tell us anything.
773
00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:32,301
As soon as they let us out
of here.
774
00:33:32,385 --> 00:33:34,095
Are you sure? I mean,
775
00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:36,097
I'm happy to stick around.
776
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:37,932
We're good.
777
00:33:38,015 --> 00:33:39,035
We've got each other.
778
00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:40,101
Okay.
779
00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:42,103
Then I am going to go home,
780
00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:45,106
kiss my baby,
781
00:33:45,189 --> 00:33:47,400
and read some dossiers.
782
00:33:50,027 --> 00:33:52,113
Would you think
I was a terrible person
783
00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:53,573
if I told you that,
784
00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,950
as horrible as this must be
for Marissa and Taylor,
785
00:33:56,033 --> 00:33:58,536
there's potentially
a big upside to it?
786
00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:00,663
Oh, thank God.
787
00:34:00,747 --> 00:34:04,000
I thought I was the only one
whose mind worked that way.
788
00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:06,043
Natalie's in jail.
789
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,171
So she couldn't have done it.
790
00:34:08,254 --> 00:34:09,964
If the FBI and the CDC confirm
791
00:34:10,047 --> 00:34:13,134
that the handwriting is the same
on the letter we got at TAC
792
00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:14,886
as on the envelopes
that went out
793
00:34:14,969 --> 00:34:16,637
to the congressman
and the newscaster...
794
00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,639
And that the construction
of the gizmo
795
00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:22,059
that makes sure the anthrax
makes contact with the person
796
00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:23,186
is similar...
797
00:34:24,604 --> 00:34:27,523
I think our client
is free and clear.
798
00:34:27,607 --> 00:34:31,402
I'll make sure to keep
all my digits crossed.
799
00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:41,454
Hello?
800
00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:42,997
Marissa.
801
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,875
Tell me what's going on.
802
00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:49,837
On your way home?
803
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:51,798
Uh, that's great.
804
00:34:51,881 --> 00:34:54,091
Great to hear.
805
00:34:56,302 --> 00:34:57,595
Really?
806
00:34:57,678 --> 00:35:00,014
They certain of that?
Powdered sugar?
807
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:05,061
Yeah, that is funny.
808
00:35:05,144 --> 00:35:07,271
If Taylor had only licked
her fingers,
809
00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:10,233
she wouldn't have been hungry
anymore.
810
00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:13,069
Well, the two of you
get something to eat,
811
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:16,072
get some sleep,
and I'll see you in the morning.
812
00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:17,865
Night.
813
00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:24,872
You have no idea how happy I am
814
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:28,000
to be standing here,
talking to you.
815
00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:32,004
You have no idea
how happy I am to be talked to.
816
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:33,088
Mm.
817
00:35:33,130 --> 00:35:34,632
Just a copycat.
818
00:35:34,715 --> 00:35:37,927
Copycat with powdered sugar
trying to intimidate us.
819
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:40,263
Somebody who'd watched the news
and convinced themselves
820
00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:42,098
that Natalie is a murderer
821
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:44,350
and that we're the bad guys
just doing whatever we can
822
00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:46,371
- to help her evade the law.
- Well,
823
00:35:46,477 --> 00:35:49,188
I went through the rest of the
dossiers early this morning,
824
00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:52,149
and I found one that ticked
a lot of boxes for me.
825
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:53,317
Really?
826
00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:56,362
What if I told you that one
of the employees at Hudson
827
00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:59,115
served as a medic
during the first Gulf War?
828
00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:03,286
Okay. And that's meaningful
because...?
829
00:36:03,369 --> 00:36:05,621
Because it means
they have firsthand knowledge
830
00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:09,458
of the devastation biological
and chemical weapons cause.
831
00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:12,587
No offense, but that
hardly seems like enough
832
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,630
to get a jury
to change its mind.
833
00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,466
What if I told you this person
was stationed in territory
834
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:21,262
where Saddam Hussein was waging
chemical and biological warfare
835
00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:24,432
against a large swath
of civilians?
836
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,435
Still kind of feels like we're
making some big leaps here,
837
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:28,603
don't you think?
838
00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:31,022
I don't know.
839
00:36:31,105 --> 00:36:34,442
Why does someone dedicate their
life to finding an antidote
840
00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:36,277
to something like anthrax?
841
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,613
We know why Natalie did it.
842
00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:42,617
She felt... a sense of
obligation to her country.
843
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:46,704
So, what if this person did it
844
00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:48,497
because they keenly understood
845
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:52,126
that biological weapons were an
imminent threat to the homeland?
846
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:55,671
So, when Congress cut
their funding for the research,
847
00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:58,424
they took matters
into their own hands
848
00:36:58,507 --> 00:37:00,384
and decided the one
849
00:37:00,468 --> 00:37:03,137
or two deaths necessary to seize
the public's imagination
850
00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:07,141
were a fair trade if it helped
prevent a greater harm.
851
00:37:07,224 --> 00:37:10,519
So, you're saying the FBI
had the right motive...
852
00:37:10,603 --> 00:37:13,481
Just pegged the wrong person.
853
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:17,443
Who is this person?
854
00:37:17,526 --> 00:37:19,278
Roger Simpkins?
855
00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:21,155
Uh, Natalie's boss?
856
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,866
The man who oversees
the entire program?
857
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,370
His position means he can come
and go between labs by himself
858
00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:28,996
without raising suspicion,
859
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,123
which means he has access
860
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,458
to anthrax.
861
00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:33,793
Not to mention the know-how
862
00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:36,462
and the equipment
to dry the spores with.
863
00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:38,465
Not only did
Dr. Simpkins have the motive,
864
00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:40,758
the means, and the opportunity
to commit this crime...
865
00:37:40,841 --> 00:37:42,510
He was also
in the perfect position
866
00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:43,511
to frame Natalie Reznick.
867
00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:45,846
Natalie had
to get her boss's okay
868
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:47,139
before she wrote to that list
869
00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:49,892
of legislators and journalists
in the wake of the budget cuts.
870
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:51,644
Dr. Simpkins
871
00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:54,021
could easily have pulled
Congressman Connors'
872
00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:57,858
and Allison Rojas' names
from that list in an effort
873
00:37:57,942 --> 00:37:59,568
to make Natalie look guilty.
874
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:02,863
I'm sorry,
875
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:07,368
but none of this
sounds terribly convincing.
876
00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:09,870
In fact, it sounds desperate,
877
00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:11,497
like you know
you're about to lose
878
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:13,541
and you're throwing spaghetti
on the wall,
879
00:38:13,624 --> 00:38:14,875
hoping something will stick.
880
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,211
Look, I came to this meeting
881
00:38:17,294 --> 00:38:18,546
in good faith.
882
00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:20,256
But I got to tell you,
883
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:23,092
I believe
Natalie Reznick is guilty,
884
00:38:23,175 --> 00:38:25,052
and nothing
I've heard here today
885
00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:28,180
even remotely begins
to change my mind.
886
00:38:28,264 --> 00:38:30,391
Well, perhaps we should
have skipped the warm-up then.
887
00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,728
Danny, the pièce de résistance,
if you will.
888
00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:41,569
You recognize these images,
Mr. Reynolds?
889
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:42,403
Of course.
890
00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:44,238
Those are
from the security footage
891
00:38:44,321 --> 00:38:48,075
the FBI lifted near the mailbox
where the letters were sent.
892
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:49,469
You were never able
to identify Natalie
893
00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:51,203
in any of these photos,
were you?
894
00:38:51,287 --> 00:38:52,806
Come on.
Look at the time of year.
895
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:54,540
Look how everyone is dressed.
896
00:38:54,623 --> 00:38:57,918
Nevertheless, we do believe
one of them is Natalie.
897
00:38:58,002 --> 00:38:59,642
Well, in the same way
you set out to prove
898
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:00,670
one of them is Natalie,
899
00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:04,341
we set out to prove
one of them is Dr. Simpkins.
900
00:39:05,926 --> 00:39:07,636
We widened the surveillance area
901
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,597
and accessed all
of the security cameras
902
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,390
within a half-mile
radius of the mailbox.
903
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:13,234
Now,
the FBI determined that there was
904
00:39:13,309 --> 00:39:16,395
an eight-hour window during
which the letters were mailed.
905
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:19,899
So, using a photograph
of Dr. Simpkins' face,
906
00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:22,109
our office created an algorithm
907
00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:25,112
to scan all eight hours
of the footage
908
00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:26,822
from every single camera.
909
00:39:27,823 --> 00:39:29,950
This is what we found.
910
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,244
Recorded by an ATM
about four blocks away
911
00:39:32,328 --> 00:39:34,455
from the mailbox.
912
00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:37,750
As you can see,
that's Roger Simpkins.
913
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:39,794
And you'll notice his hat
914
00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:42,421
perfectly matches this hat.
915
00:39:42,505 --> 00:39:44,590
In this photo.
916
00:39:44,673 --> 00:39:47,843
Where a person
is clearly mailing letters.
917
00:39:47,927 --> 00:39:50,262
Letters which I would bet
contain anthrax.
918
00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:55,518
Nice work.
919
00:39:59,105 --> 00:40:01,482
Well, I suppose the four of us
920
00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:03,484
should take a walk
down to the judge's chambers,
921
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:04,767
see if we can get an audience.
922
00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:09,198
If this isn't probable cause
for a search warrant,
923
00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:11,242
I don't know what is.
924
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:17,790
Look out there.
925
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:19,458
You see a single face mask?
926
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:20,835
Nope.
927
00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:22,336
Just people walking their dogs,
928
00:40:22,419 --> 00:40:24,338
strolling their kids.
929
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,799
Well, it's like
we told the judge...
930
00:40:26,882 --> 00:40:28,968
The FBI searched
Dr. Simpkins' apartment,
931
00:40:29,051 --> 00:40:31,178
only to discover it,
too, had been bleached.
932
00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,806
Luckily, when they opened up
the HVAC ducts,
933
00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:37,810
they found anthrax spores
behind a vent in the kitchen.
934
00:40:37,893 --> 00:40:40,521
I still have a hard time
believing it.
935
00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:42,314
We talked about it all the time.
936
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:45,317
He kept saying
how he wanted to help people,
937
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:46,401
protect people.
938
00:40:46,443 --> 00:40:48,487
Oh, I'm sure he thought
he was doing just that.
939
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:50,990
Doing it for the greater good.
940
00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:54,410
You know, I guess that's why
I like my work so much.
941
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,246
Bacteria may be challenging,
942
00:40:57,329 --> 00:41:00,416
but they're a whole hell
of a lot easier to understand
943
00:41:00,499 --> 00:41:02,501
than people.
944
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:12,511
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945
00:41:12,595 --> 00:41:14,755
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