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Rest in peace to the 23 people who lost their lives

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to a man filled with hate

at the El Paso mass shooting on August 3rd, 2019.

♪ RIP EP, rest up in peace ♪

♪ Trying to stop the violence, stop the hatred,

but God'’s still testing me ♪

♪ Move on one loss together how could we fathom 23? ♪

♪ We won'’t stay quiet any longer, hear what we speak ♪

♪ Beautiful people living day to day

but lost their lives to a man filled with hate ♪

♪ And I'’ll say that ain't fair, there is no debate ♪

♪ To honor the lost lives we can stop the hate ♪

♪ 915 we stand hand in hand you see ♪

♪ This ain'’t no ordinary city, we'’re a family ♪

♪ You can hate us and knock us temporarily ♪

♪ But EPTX will not let you succeed ♪

♪ RIP EP, rest up in peace ♪

♪ Trying to stop the violence, stop the hatred

but God'’s still testing me ♪

♪ Move on one lost together how could we fathom 23? ♪

♪ We won'’t stay quiet any longer, hear what we speak ♪

♪ 8/3/2019

♪ A day we can'’t forget, we read it in the headlines ♪

♪ Amber alert saying stay in at this time ♪

♪ I asked my very own mother if we gon'’ be fine ♪

♪ Mama, why you crying, why ain'’t daddy come home yet? ♪

♪ Daddy'’s at the store, face down, stone cold dead ♪

♪ The bastard boy with no soul left 22 more there ♪

♪ Including a 15-year-old boy, no chance to grow yet ♪

♪ Pray for us

♪ Pray for them

♪ Pray for love

♪ Pray for the lost ones above

♪ Pray for us

♪ 915

♪ Pray for them

♪ Forever, forever

♪ Pray for love

♪ Viva Mexico

♪ Pray for the lost ones above

♪ RIP EP, rest up in peace

♪ Trying to stop the violence, stop the hatred

but God'’s still testing me ♪

♪ Move on one loss together how could we fathom 23? ♪

♪ We won'’t stay quiet any longer, hear what we speak ♪

♪ Pray for us

♪ Pray for them

♪ Pray for love

♪ Pray for the lost ones above ♪

When Mexico sends its people, they'’re not sending their best.

They'’re not sending you, they'’re not sending you.

They'’re sending people that have lots of problems

and they'’re bringing those problems with us.

Viva Mexico!

No está provocando.

They'’re bringing drugs, they'’re bringing crime,

they'’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

That morning, we were having a fundraiser

for my daughter'’s soccer team.

We were selling aguas frescas,

we were selling chicharrones also.

Half of the girls from the soccer team

were on one entrance

and the other half was on the other entrance.

Is this something that a team normally does

is set up a table at a Walmart

to try to raise money for jerseys

and other tournaments?

No, this was the first time that we have ever set up anywhere.

We have done fundraisers,

but never, never set up anywhere else.

You'’re kidding me. That was the first time

that had ever been done.

So the Fusion team, they'’ve been around for how long?

- A year. - Just one year.

Where'’d you get that name from? Fusion?

Fusion is a mix of everything.

Different girls, different ethnicities.

I look for the player that is going to give me

that 100 percent.

So in some ways, the killer represented everything

that was the opposite of what you guys--

what you want your team to represent.

Exactly.

About how many coaches and how many parents

and how many players were there?

We had three coaches, which it was myself,

Coach Memo and Coach Benny.

Parents, I had a total of between five and six parents,

and kids, we had about eight to nine kids.

One, two, three, Fusion!

Our shift started at 10:00,

so we must have gotten there around 9:30ish to set up.

To be honest with you, I have no notion of what time it happened.

It seemed like we had just started.

You showed a good heart and you wanted to help out

the Fusion soccer team.

They had stopped me on my way going in and I said,

"I don'’t have any cash, but I'’ll get some cash

after I purchase my groceries."

And so on my way out, I saw the same little girl.

So I said, "Okay," you know.

So you were at the table for about...

A minute or two.

You were just wrapping things up.

Mm-hm.

I had already given my money, was just waiting on change.

I heard some loud noises coming from behind me,

so I turned around and I saw the shooter

coming towards the Walmart.

He seemed to be looking right at me.

I think we made eye contact for a few moments.

How many feet were you from Memo and Luis?

About 20, if that.

Yeah, because we were on the East end entrance

closest to Cielo Vista Mall.

They were right in the middle and where our tent was at.

And then we had a group of girls on the West end entrance.

Did you see the shooter at any time?

I saw him out of my peripheral.

When that first shot happened,

my first reaction is, knowing how myself, Luis, and Memo are,

I thought they were playing with like fireworks or poppers,

you know, and keeping it lively and fun

for them and us and everybody that was there.

But once it hit me of what was going on,

then I realized, okay, what I saw out the corner of my eyes

was the shooter.

I turned back and I looked at my daughter

and I turned and told Madison and the girls, "Take off,

I'’ll catch you girls, just take off inside."

I heard the gunshots and I saw Luis dancing in the street--

well, what I thought he was dancing in the street.

Now I realize that what he was doing is he was trying to,

like, hop away from the shots.

When I got hit and turned around,

I saw a white man wearing protective hearing aids

with an AK 47,

with a white clip,

black T-shirt with khaki pants, black shoes,

walking towards us with glasses, shooting at us.

That'’s exactly what I saw.

After that, I did not see much.

Did you see him shoot you?

Yes, I did.

When I got shot the first time, I ran.

My intention was to run inside the Walmart

where I thought it would be safer.

As I was running, I got shot again.

And then once I was on the ground,

I got shot the final time.

I got hit in my right hand, right thigh, left shin, and hip.

Did you see the killer walk in to the Walmart?

No, I closed my eyes and hoped, you know, to get...

I played dead at that point after my last shot.

Coach Luis'’ dad had shown up a couple of seconds before.

He said he was just passing by to grab a lemonade.

He parked his wife'’s SUV right next to our canopy

and my reaction was I'’m going to hide on the side of the tire

and kind of put myself as straight as I can,

that way he won'’t see me.

I was too far to go to either of the entrances

because we were right in the middle.

I looked under the SUV

and that'’s when I saw him already walking towards us.

Then at that point, I said, it'’s too late for me to run away

and it'’s too late for me to try to scoot underneath the SUV

because he was already like two or three steps away from us.

All I can pray to God is,

"Please take care of my daughter.

If you need to take me, take me,

but leave my daughter alone."

I just remember closing my eyes and thinking, "This isn'’t real."

And then I open my eyes and I saw everybody was on the ground.

So I was the only one up.

And I thought, "Okay, pretend you'’re dead,

like throw yourself on the ground."

So I threw myself, but I landed on a chair,

kind of was like this.

And I just remember like feeling my hand shaking.

So I remember thinking, "I'’m next."

Like, "He'’s going to see me moving and I'’m next."

So I opened my eyes,

and that'’s when I saw him shoot the lady in the head.

She was on the floor and I just remember her like this.

- Her arm. - Like, I don'’t know

if she was begging to stop or what she was doing,

but he was close, I want to say, three feet from her head.

And he just, boom.

The second I opened my eyes, that'’s what I saw.

I think he shot the lady that got hit in the head,

and that was the same direction that my dad was in.

Did you see your dad get murdered?

No, I did not.

I immediately got hit on the leg,

and that'’s where I started to apply some pressure

and try to jump out of the way.

That'’s where I ended up landing right next to the wall.

Because I wasn'’t by that wall.

I was a good 20 feet away from it.

So how did you end up there?

Jumping around, just trying to get to cover.

How close was he to you?

How would you describe the killer'’s personality?

I barely started doing my shopping.

That'’s when the shooting started

but it was from outside.

My husband started paying for the groceries.

I used to collect McDonald'’s toys

and I told him I was gonna see if I could get the missing piece

that I was missing from the Lion King

in my McDonald'’s collection.

He says, "Okay, then I'’ll pay in the meantime."

He was just bagging the groceries.

That was it.

That was the last time I saw him.

So had you not gone to that McDonald'’s,

you could have easily been shot also.

I think so. I think so.

I went to that McDonald'’s, they didn'’t have what I needed.

So I thought, okay, I'’m going to wait for him right here

at the bench next to the women'’s bathroom.

Boy, that'’s crazy.

So the Lion King and the toy made you go over there

and that'’s what might have saved your life.

Correct.

How long was the shooting going on for?

Oh, maybe a couple of minutes.

When he came in, he started shooting the persons inside

and I started crying and I was so nervous.

I heard gunshots but I never thought it was...

I said not in El Paso.

She said, "I think there'’s a sale going on."

And I said, "What?"

She goes, "Let'’s go see what'’s the sale about."

And I said, "What are you talking about?"

She said, "There'’s people running all over the Walmart."

The McDonald'’s cashier said, "Everybody drop to the ground.

It'’s an active shooter."

Where is he?

My mom was lying on the seat

and I had to pull her down from her blouse to the floor

and I said, "You need to hide under the table.

You'’re too high here," you know.

"You need to get on the floor."

This shit fucking crazy.

I don'’t got my fucking gun.

Motherfucker'’s bustin' guns in Walmart right now.

AK. Somebody just got shot.

Fuck.

He'’s got an AK.

Nearly hit my ear.

Imma holler at y'’all, no shot, no shot in my pocket.

There was a German citizen that was murdered,

Mr. Hoffmann, Alexander Hoffmann,

and he married a woman from Juárez over 40 years ago,

lived in Juárez, loved Mexico.

My point being is that the killer murdered him

and he murdered someone who represented everything

that was the opposite of the killer.

What are your thoughts on that?

I just think that the killer was radicalized

and at some point stopped seeing people as people

and saw them as problems.

He dehumanized people

in order to do that type of crime that he did.

Reason I ended up at Walmart that morning

was because I went to Quest Diagnostics,

which is inside Walmart.

I went for blood work for cancer.

That day I ended up at the Walmart

because my friend Ernesto Delgado

needed some blood work at Quest Diagnostics,

which happened to be inside of the Walmart.

He went to Quest and I went to cash a check

like right towards the East entrance.

And I heard people screaming.

In my mind, it was more than two or three rounds,

so I was like, oh, it has to be a AR-15 or an AK-47

because I own both of them.

I have an AR-15 and an AK-47.

You were inside the Walmart for how long

before the killer walked in?

Like three... two to five minutes.

First thing I wanted to do is protect him,

so I was on top of him, like covering him.

How many shots did you hear?

I heard like two or three and then people running inside.

- Screaming? - Mm-hm.

Were they saying anything?

Like, "Everyone get down" or, "Everyone run to the back"?

No, they just ran.

Where were they running to?

Towards the back.

Did you think about following them

or what was your thought process?

I thought if I ran towards the back,

what if he would have gone around the corner,

saw us, then shoot.

So it sounds like a split second decision

that someone has to make.

Do I run to the back or do I stay where I am?

Now, you tried to get into a bank door.

I knocked on the door and I jiggled the handle.

- Okay, and nothing? - Nothing.

And I didn'’t want to be like, "Hey, let us in," or something

because then he was going to hear us.

You saw the bank manager rush in.

Yeah, he rushed in, he was like, "Excuse me, excuse me."

He went in there and never came out.

How many people did he take in there with them?

I am not sure. He ran into the room

and we'’re out here left in the...

- In the middle. - Yeah.

Did he shoot your nephew first or you?

- Him. - Where was your nephew shot?

Well, a lot of the victims were shot on their head,

so, I mean, I'’m just going to put it that way.

I don'’t want to remember... but yeah.

I stared at him, I couldn'’t believe it,

I was crying, and my eyes were wide open.

I mean, it'’s hard to talk about.

Sorry about that.

Yeah, it'’s hard to talk about,

but it'’s certainly something that

I don'’t want anybody to go through.

It'’s bad.

It'’s really bad.

I feel like I didn'’t do much to protect him.

I feel like there could'’ve been other outcomes to save him,

and I couldn'’t think about it quick enough.

If you had a second chance at it,

what would you have done?

Run to the back.

- Run to the back. - There was time to do that?

So were you next after Javier was shot?

He was aiming at me and I was like, I gotta move.

I look back and I see all the blood coming out of my shoe.

So after you got shot in the foot, he walked out?

Pretty much.

He didn'’t come around the corner or anything, so.

I understand that one of the other victims who was murdered,

you guys had a brief exchange.

It was Jordan Anchondo.

She asked me to call her mother.

I dialed three times and I told her,

"I'’m so sorry, she won'’t answer."

And I felt bad.

I honestly thought she made it.

The fact that the bank manager did not open the door,

how many lives do you think that cost?

Quite a few people.

That'’s all I can say, quite a few people.

If you had to put a number on it?

I would say the eight people that I thought I saw in there.

Was it busy that morning?

Yes. I actually came up to the manager.

I was like, "I was told to come

and since I'’m just gonna open an account,

they could pass me quick."

He'’s like, "No, you have to wait."

I'’m like, "All right, I'’ll wait."

So we were just standing there.

Was that the very manager that ran into the...

Yeah, that person.

What would you say to him today?

Why? Just why?

I know a lot of people say like,

it'’s not the bank's responsibility to save you

or Walmart'’s,

but I mean, you can'’t just leave somebody outside to die,

and you come out and you'’re safe,

and you see all these dead people.

Like, I wouldn'’t be able to live with that.

I feel bad because I wasn'’t able to save my nephew.

I feel guilty every single day.

I was trying to stay calm.

"Mom, you need to get smaller, Mom,"

and I was trying to cover her.

I was so scared that he was going to shoot her.

So...

Then the emergency door, the McDonald'’s emergency door

facing Sam'’s opened.

And I saw the guy standing and he was wearing jeans

and I thought it was the shooter.

So I said, "Oh, we'’re next.

He'’s here. He'’s going to kill us."

And we didn'’t want to say anything.

We were just quiet.

And he said, "Is anybody here?"

They'’re gone?

They'’re gone?

Run, run!

- Huh? - You gotta get outta here!

- Where do we go? - Outside.

Did you see him leave the Walmart?

When you saw the shooter leave, where did he exactly go?

Did you see him walk back out?

I didn'’t see him. I heard him.

I could hear him like going through the store

and then I heard him coming out.

So I hid behind the ice chest.

- Outside? - Outside.

I was gonna go towards him

because I could hear the gunshots

from the outside already.

So at that moment, I thought,

oh, this is a perfect time for me to go out there

and, you know, try to take a shot at this guy.

As I turned and started walking

I started seeing bodies, I started seeing blood.

I started seeing, you know, puddles of blood.

As I'’m walking, I'm walking slow, looking directions,

and I could see some people kind of peeking.

I could see at the bank, I kind of stopped at the bank

'’cause that's the place where I saw the most casualties.

I saw one guy that was laying down at the entrance.

He was deceased.

He was the one that was laying flat on the floor

and a big puddle of blood.

So I ended up jumping over his body.

I jumped the counter, jumped over it,

and I hung a left and went out the middle entrance.

And as soon as I ran out, I look back

and then I see the shooter come out.

Must have been, I don'’t know,

five, six seconds, I don'’t know.

He came out. I turn around, I see him.

And at that time the silver SUV

with, I think, the Velasquez husband and wife pulled up

right at that moment as he came out as I'’m looking back.

And then he shot them like, I don'’t know,

15 feet, 10 feet away,

and then the SUV drove away.

After he shot the Velasquez family,

I didn'’t hear any more shots and he didn'’t shoot anybody else.

It just got quiet after that.

I wanted to find my friend to make sure that he was okay

because I didn'’t want to lose my friend.

I called my friend to make sure he was okay,

and when he finally answered

he told me he was going to come out.

He gives me a hug, I hug him back and he'’s like,

"I was running to see if I could find you in there

because I didn'’t see you run out."

And, you know, he--

like you could tell both of us, we wanted to cry,

but, you know, we had, you know, at that moment

we'’re like, no, you got to do something else.

Once we met up, we saw all the people shot

and then we just started helping.

Help!

Hey, who needs CPR?

- Help! - CPR!

Help!

Who?

Who needs CPR?

Help me.

One moment, one moment.

There'’s no pulse.

- Where is he? - It'’s okay.

I'’m okay, I'm okay.

Twice in the back.

Get back, get back, get back.

I ran, I saw she was shot,

I ran back into the store of Walmart,

grabbed some clothes off a rack or the shelf or whatever.

Grabbed clothes, I ran back outside,

put them on the wound, and then I was just holding it there,

and then my friend Ernesto was like taking off his belt

and we'’re applying the tourniquet.

At that moment, I told Josh, "Just start bringing me stuff

so we could start doing tourniquets."

As I was talking to her, I'’m trying to communicate with her

so she could stay awake

because she kept on saying, "I'’m fainting."

Visually, you could tell it was her leg.

So I told her in Spanish it'’s going to be painful,

but I'’m applying my knee to your groin area

so I could hit the artery so you could stop the bleeding.

Help!

Who needs CPR? Who needs CPR? Who?

I'’ve been an EMT for going on 12 years.

How many bodies did you see on the floor?

I want to say about seven.

There was a female kind of close to the entrance

that was shot on the hip.

But she was stable, meaning she can talk to me.

- Michelle Grady. - Yes.

She went into survival mode, acting like she was just still.

When you act dead pretty much, that'’s what she did.

And then there was another female in back of the trashcan

and she was able to talk to me. and she even told me, like,

"I'’m okay, go and help some other people."

And I turned to my right and I saw the lady

and she had gotten shot in the head.

And she was on the ground

but I was kind of oblivious to what had happened.

I don'’t know why I didn't think that she was killed.

She was probably the person that I thought about the most

after the shooting happened.

What was she doing?

Like, she was she was just putting her groceries away

and she got killed.

So what you do in a triage situation

is that you try to find out who no longer has a chance,

who'’s the walking wounded.

I saw my friend Ernesto giving Jorge CPR

who was shot in the groin area.

But I believe possibly more people could have been saved

since the-- and even Jorge be saved,

since the bodies were there at least 20 to 30 minutes,

or had the first responders possibly gotten there sooner,

maybe more people possibly could have been saved.

There was a couple other people with me and Ernesto

helping the people in the front.

Cynthia, she was a big help.

She was coordinating a lot, screaming and yelling

to do this, to do that.

Directly in front of me is our tent where we'’re fundraising.

And I see Coach Memo down,

so I run to him and I'’m like,

"Dude, what'’s up? Talk to me."

And he'’s like, "I'’m hit, I'm hit.

I'’m hit in the back, I'’m hit in the stomach.

- I'’m hit somewhere." - He was able to talk to you?

He was still talking to me.

But at this moment, I'’m trying to talk to him

and his breath is getting shorter

and you can tell he'’s coming in and out of consciousness

and his eyes would close

and I'’d be like, "Talk to me, talk to me."

And he'’d be like, "I'’m hit. I'm hit."

And I'’m like, "All right, let me get some help."

I stand up and I look to my left and I see Luis down.

Now, there'’s a man there trying to help Luis up.

I got up and when I got up, I felt my--

I mean, that'’s when I saw that I had been hit.

So I felt like my leg flap open.

My kids, I just started yelling for my kids.

And then I look over and I saw my husband,

so I got up.

I grabbed, like, the way you'’d grab a piece of meat,

I just grabbed my skin

and I tried walking over to my husband.

And I'’m telling him I don't know where Karina and Memo are.

So I lifted his shirt and I didn'’t see anything

and I just said, "You'’re okay.

I don'’t see anything on the top.

It'’s just your legs. You'’re gonna be okay."

I kissed him, I told him I loved him,

and I ran inside.

They were trying to talk to him and revive him

and trying to tell him to stay here for his family

because they needed him.

We lifted him up to put him on the Sam'’s cart.

And as soon as you lifted him up,

you were just, like, drenched in blood.

And then me, Ernesto, and another person ran with him

on the Sam'’s cart all the way to the Sam'’s.

From time to time, he'’d tell me, "I can'’t breathe."

But at the time, I didn'’t know.

I asked him, "Are you shot somewhere else?

He didn'’t know.

Which I didn'’t know later on till he got to the hospital

that he was actually shot in the back.

Who'’s on rescue one?

Watch out, watch out, watch out!

All right, guys, we'’re gonna move...

One, two, three!

Go, go, go, go!

Emergency personnel finally got to you when?

Like, how long was it?

No, it'’s because they took us from where we were at

all the way to the hill.

That'’s where the paramedics were at waiting for us.

How come they didn'’t come right to you?

Because the cops wouldn'’t let them.

They didn'’t know the situation, if there was more shooters.

So who took you to the top of the hill?

Uh, the Good Samaritans that were around.

Boy, these El Pasoans, they'’re something else.

What can you say?

I'’m grateful for it, brother.

I didn'’t think that he was going to make it.

I was trying to just be encouraging, you know, with him.

I was--I was just saying, like, you know, in Spanish,

I was like:

And he kept doing this to me.

He kept--he kept, like...

Like, he didn'’t want to talk.

He didn'’t want to talk, he didn'’t want to say anything.

And now I realized that it was his military background

that to conserve energy, you don'’t talk.

You don'’t say anything.

I was looking for my phone because I was still conscious

and I wanted to talk to my mother

and I wanted to tell her goodbye

because I didn'’t know if I would make it.

She happened to be really close at the mall

and she told me that she was going to find me.

She wasn'’t gonna accept my goodbye

because she was gonna find me.

She got there before the police did

and any of the first responders did.

I was at home on that Saturday morning

and I had not got the television on.

I was clearing my e-mails on the couch,

and the phone rang, it was my wife.

And she said that Michelle had been shot three times.

We got in the car and we drove

and we made our way to the entranceway

and the police had just blocked it off.

Do you recall a Good Samaritan coming to your aid?

Yes, his name is Thomas and he worked at the Wal-Mart.

Luckily, he had on multiple layers of clothes

because it'’s cold in the deli where he works.

So he was able to take off his apron and his shirts

and everything to wrap each of my wounds.

- He saved your life? - Oh, yeah.

And he'’s the only reason I got to the ambulance.

He could'’ve just walked past you.

Oh, yeah. When he stopped to help me,

no one knew if the shooter was still there,

so he was very much in danger as well.

The ambulances, they were kind of up the hill

and they wouldn'’t come down because they hadn'’t--

they didn'’t know where the shooter was.

Thomas, the guy who saved my life,

ran to the Sam'’s Club and got one of the carts,

the flatbed carts, and he loaded me up on the cart.

Him and my mother loaded me up on the cart.

So Thomas had helped my wife to push her

at least to the bottom of the hill,

and that'’s where they were trying to screen

to determine who was what

and what was the severity of the wounds.

We tried to get Michelle up the hill to an ambulance

and the guy said, "Well, she'’s not--

we'’re not going to take her now."

And that'’s when my wife and I had

to sort of raise our voices

because the attendant pretty much said

she wasn'’t important right now

because I guess she had not been evaluated

and she was still conscious to some degree.

So how long did that debate go on for,

whether they should take her or not?

Well, probably about three, three to five minutes.

And they were loading people up based on priority.

And, so, you know,

but we knew that we had to press our way in.

Did you think you were going to die that morning?

Yes, I thought I was going to die

only because of the blood

that started coming out of my mouth.

I understood that that meant internal bleeding.

I felt like I was getting weaker until

I spoke to my mother and it kind of gave me

the extra fight that I needed to to stay conscious.

Sorry, everybody.

Everything you saw that day, I'’m sure, is unforgettable,

but is there one thing, one thing that

stands out more than anything else?

Seeing my daughter'’s face.

At that moment, I felt...

like I almost failed.

That'’s been my biggest fear since I had my daughter.

Failing as a dad.

And at that moment, I was terrified

that I might have failed

if something would'’ve happen to her.

And just holding her and, her and I cried and, you know,

we held each other,

but just seeing her face is something

that I can'’t--I can't explain.

At that time, she was ten.

But like, what do you tell her? How do you explain

something that you don'’t know what--

you can'’t explain yourself?

- Failed in what way? - Just being a father.

Like had she gotten shot or had I not protected her.

That was my biggest fear.

Like, I didn'’t care about myself.

I didn'’t care if I'd been shot

or you know, worst case scenario, I'’d gotten killed.

Knowing that I didn'’t protect her would have been

my biggest failure.

We'’re standing in front of the Wal-Mart

and we see it was like a nightmare, almost like a movie.

There were helicopters.

We couldn'’t move, we were just standing there.

Where do we go?

There was a man driving a van with his wife.

And my mom told him, "Could you give us a ride to my car?"

And he said, "Yeah."

Everybody was running out of the Walmart

and all the police were scattered

they jumped out and got all the guns.

Many people are hurt.

She wanted to get something straightened out in the bank

that was right there in the Wal-Mart.

I didn'’t want to wait in line there, so I told her,

well go ahead and go to the bank.

I'’ll wait for you at McDonald's, when I got to the McDonald'’s,

I heard two shots real loud, boom, boom.

So I stood up and I was just wondering.

And then the girls started coming out of the McDonald'’s

and they were yelling, "Shooter, shooter, shooter!"

That'’s when I ran. I ran with the rest of them.

We ran out the back door of McDonald'’s.

And as soon as I got out to the parking lot,

I think, Gloria, Gloria.

So I started calling her and no answer.

And I called her, no answer, no answer.

I had talked to some people there, they said they had

already called the police or they'’re waiting for the police

and they haven'’t answered, so I figured at that time

everybody was calling the police.

So I was waiting around, it seemed they took a while

to get there while I was waiting and I started recording,

but all the time I was there, I was looking to see

if she would come out.

She was wearing jeans with a red blouse.

- Whereabouts was she at? - She was at the bank,

right in the center, waiting in line.

That'’s what makes me concerned.

More police, more police came, the helicopters came.

Fire department came, ambulance came

and I was recording all of that and then I was thinking,

well I wanna go see Gloria, if she'’s okay,

I haven'’t seen her come out.

And I started thinking that the worst might have happened.

Get the fuck out of here!

Get out of here!

Man, it took the cops a long time to get here,

like ten minutes.

By then, he'’d shot all over.

- They'’re putting one guy-- - How many?

- Huh? - How many guys got shot?

I heard about ten shots myself

but I was already out, everybody was getting out.

Where'’s my niece, where'’s my niece!

- Do you know who'’s in there? - No, sir.

Hey, do you know who'’s in there?

I'’m looking for my wife.

- Sir, please step back. - I want to know if my wife'’s

- still in there, if she is. - They'’re sweeping through--

I just want to know if she'’s okay.

She never came out, she never came out.

And time passed and hours passed.

One of the bank managers ran and opened the door

and either let himself in, or himself and his employees,

- and locked out everyone else. - That'’s what I've heard.

He'’s going to have to live with that conscience

of whether he could have opened that door or not.

I mean, it'’s very hard, I can'’t speak for him.

Hey, hey, we need an ambulance!

A guy just came in, starts shooting everyone?

One guy?

I saw only one but some are saying two.

Some saying two? Assault rifle I guess?

Like an AK?

I was outside of the Walmart and there was people still--

after everything had stopped, people were coming up asking,

are they letting us in or because my mom is there

or my sister or whoever, you know?

And I was like, well, they'’re taking them to the school.

They'’re taking them to here but if they'’re not over

by the Sam'’s area, in my mind, I was like, they'’re inside...

dead.

And my heart broke because I'’m out here

and they'’re looking for their loved ones or family.

And I just, my heart broke because I knew, I knew.

But I wasn'’t going to tell them and I couldn'’t tell,

but I knew they were inside dead.

Obviously if they'’re not outside of the Walmart.

I just needed to find my kids.

I had my leg tied up because before I ran into the store,

I grabbed a shirt and I tied my leg.

So I ran through the store and I ran all the way to the back.

And I remember just telling people, please help me.

My kids, they were at the door, Karina and Memo.

This is what they look like.

Lady in the back room, she'’s bleeding!

She got shot in the leg.

Hey, do you know if the shooter'’s still in there?

That'’s what I just asked, he don'’t know.

That'’s why he's going in.

Then the lady came she was looking for her kids.

- Oh, no. - She said her husband,

her kids, but she was shot.

We couldn'’t let her walk out, she wanted to walk

but we couldn'’t let her.

That'’s horrible, that'’s horrible.

Person lying dead right there, sir.

In a puddle of blood, there'’s a person lying there.

- Have you seen the guy? - No, we just heard

a bunch of shots everywhere.

My wife'’s in there.

Hey, hey, get out of there, get out of there.

The hell with Wal-Mart, I'’m going in there.

No, I ain'’t going home. My wife'’s in there.

I don'’t care, I don'’t care what you say.

Government'’s supposed to control everything,

they haven'’t controlled nothing.

What was it?

Oh my god, that person, he'’s missing half his head.

Who'’s that?

Oh he'’s bleeding! He was bleeding.

That'’s when I see this guy that I thought

he was looting already.

But he'’s coming towards me.

And I can see that, I thought he had some oranges

or something in his hands.

And it ends up being a baby.

And we told him, "Are you okay? Is the baby okay?"

He had like a three months baby in his hands.

And he said his mother is down there.

Oh he'’s bleeding. He was bleeding.

Hey sir, you'’re gonna have to get out, get out.

- Sorry, sir. - Everybody get out, get out.

He looked stunned, the baby looked stunned.

He wasn'’t crying or anything, he was still and he was like limp.

But I could tell he was awake and this guy,

this gentleman had him cradled in his arms

and just started walking out.

And I could see the baby had blood on him.

Happy birthday to you.

My husband told me that my daughter'’s phone

was reading that she was inside the Wal-Mart

where the Redbox machine was at.

We have the location on her phone.

Did you know where the killer was at that time?

No.

So you were going to go in there regardless?

I was going to go in there regardless.

I went to the Redbox machine and there was nobody behind it,

next to it, nowhere around it.

So I was like, maybe they ran out.

When I ran outside, there was people hiding behind vehicles.

There was people walking around with their shopping carts

that did not know what was going on.

That'’s when I found the girls

and I saw them standing under a tree.

Then they all started saying, Miss Maribel,

your foot, your foot and I saw my foot.

And that'’s when I saw that my foot was bleeding

that my sock was full of blood.

And she'’s like, "Mom, you have blood, Mom, you have blood."

I said, "Don'’t worry, don'’t worry about that.

You know, I'’m fine."

- Mommy! - It'’s okay.

Mommy, it'’s not okay.

Do you think the killer spared the kids?

I...

would hope so, but I really don'’t know.

The thing with the girls was that thank God

that they have a lot of trainings at the schools.

I'’m so thankful, so thankful with the school districts

you know, the way that they run things because...

our girls were out of the scene quick.

And certainly it helps that the girls are young, they'’re lively,

they can run, whereas the people inside

were predominantly older and they can'’t run as well.

I had my phone with me, so I was communicating with

Maribel and Marcela, two of the moms from the team.

They told me they found Karina, my daughter and she was okay.

But they couldn'’t find my son.

- Can I ask you what you saw? - No, sir, please.

My wife'’s in there. Did it happen by the bank?

Did it happen by the bank?

And I just remember thinking, like even if it'’s a body,

I need to know where he'’s at.

Like, just the feeling of not knowing.

Like I shouldn'’t even have had my kids there.

There was one missing, which was Memo.

They kept asking, we can'’t find Memo.

He was only six years old at the time.

So I run into the Sam'’s.

And when I run in there, he'’s on lane one, just sitting down.

And when I find him, he has a cut on his lip and he says,

Coach, I'’ve been shot.

At that moment we thought, oh, he fell

and you know, nothing happened to him.

But we find out that he did have a piece of bullet on his lip

that actually came out.

So one of the ricochets hit him right on the lip.

You tired baby?

You want to sleep with me or with Grandma tonight?

So it looked like for the longest time what looked like

a big black mole, like a bulging mole.

And then I would touch it, and every time I touched it,

he said it would hurt.

You tired?

Want me to snuggle you?

Hm? Want me to snuggle you?

I grew up in that neighborhood.

As we were driving up, I was thinking someone I know,

someone who I grew up with might be here at this incident.

We headed towards where the bulk of the people were

and out of the corner of our eye we see

someone pushing a flatbed cart

and on that flatbed cart was one of the victims.

I remember them putting me into the car to take me

to the ambulance and getting picked up

and getting put into the ambulance.

We arrived to the hospital and they just told me

everything'’s going to be okay and mask.

And I don'’t remember nothing after that.

I was only worried about my husband,

I knew my kids were okay.

I didn'’t know where my husband was.

I didn'’t have my phone.

I went into surgery and I didn'’t know what hospital he was at.

I remember asking everybody, the doctors, everybody.

Just find my husband, and tell me how he'’s doing.

Every time the nurse walked in, every time the CNE walked in,

every time the doctor, I said, please just tell me.

If he'’s dead, tell me.

How come they didn'’t tell you anything?

They didn'’t expect him to survive that first night.

So the next day someone told you?

- Who was that? - My sister-in-law.

But all she said was "He'’s had a few surgeries.

He'’s critical, but he'’s still here."

It was just very chaotic the whole day,

there was helicopters flying over

because that'’s how close we are to that Wal-Mart.

And it was like a surreal moment and it was like,

you know, what are the odds?

I mean, I think my mom'’s been going to that Wal-Mart

since it opened, I think, in 1978.

My mom had spoken to my brother Rick,

so I called Rick and I said, please tell me,

look at your phone, I need to know the exact times

that you spoke with mom.

And that'’s when he told me, he spoke with her

from 10:31 in the morning to 10:34 and she was

in the checkout line waiting to check out at Wal-Mart.

I spoke with him and they put me on the CNN news

looking for my mom and then I guess shortly after that,

my sister Edie had gone there

and that'’s the one video of her crying, upset,

looking for my mom.

And I got tired of waiting and waiting and waiting,

and I just want to know where my mom is.

- How old is she? - 86.

Tell us a little about your mom.

She has a brand new beige car and...

My niece knows the name of the car.

You guys are making me nervous.

Edie, I'’m so sorry.

Tell me your name.

My name is Edie Hallberg.

I'’m my mom's fourth daughter.

She has seven kids.

All I want to do is just find my mom, someone needs

to tell me where she is, I want to know if she'’s dead

or alive or if she'’s still in Wal-Mart.

We need to find her, this is the only way we'’re gonna do it.

We were holding on to hope for a couple of days,

just like maybe she fell and lost her phone or,

you know, but it didn'’t of course

it didn'’t come out that way.

I heard some amazing things about Angie, just amazing,

what a courageous woman she was.

- Yes, sir. - She lost her husband

a long time ago, but she showed a lot of guts her whole life

raising a large family.

She was born in Santa Fe, New Mexico, in 1932.

She lived in Santa Fe until she was 22 years old,

when my dad got her away to go to New Orleans,

where she married my dad and had seven kids.

And when did she get to El Paso?

We came to El Paso in August 1968.

The best thing about my mom is she taught me

how to be a great dad, putting family first.

Number one were her kids.

Always.

She'’d do anything for any of us.

She put her whole life on hold for her kids.

Sorry.

Everybody called her every day.

It was just kind of, that'’s just the way it was in the family,

that everybody would give her a call.

I can remember my mom sometimes would tell me, you know,

I haven'’t heard from her in two days.

You know, that'’s kind of the way it was.

But, yeah, my mom sacrificed her life for all seven of her kids.

She really did.

And that'’s what makes her amazing.

Why do you think the killer walked out of the Wal-Mart

and didn'’t shoot more people

when his goal was to shoot as many Mexican people

as possible and he had more ammunition on him

- from what I understand. - You know, what I was told

by officers is that this individual became disgusted

at what happened, you know, I believe the sight of the blood

is what made him nervous.

And I believe he vomited and decided

to leave the crime scene.

Otherwise, this could have gotten worse.

This is most likely the path the killer took

after he walked out of the Wal-Mart right before 10:45 a.m.

Right in front of us is the Sam'’s, right in front,

probably 200 feet from the Wal-Mart.

To where he got arrested, he would have made

a right hand turn over this bridge.

So as we go over this bridge, I believe the killer

then made a right hand turn

on this street called Edison.

We'’re on the corner of Edison and Sunmount

and now we'’re going towards the mall.

You see the mall in front of us, the Cielo Vista mall.

There were reports that shots were fired at the mall

and that has never been corroborated.

As we go straight, we'’re going to hit another stop sign,

pretty much gonna go around the Cielo Vista mall.

I'’d say we've been in the car for roughly two minutes or so.

This is sort of a narrow, winding road.

If you pan to the right, you see the mall,

the Cielo Vista mall right there,

the Sears, the sign for the Cielo Vista Mall,

the Dillard'’s.

Whether he took this direct route that I just took

is purely up to debate, but he certainly went

in this direction because he was arrested

and I'’m about to show you exactly where he was arrested.

We'’re literally just now maybe a few hundred feet

from where the killer gave himself up.

We'’re going to come to the intersection

of Viscount and Sunmount.

The killer came to this left hand turn lane right here,

and there were police to the side of him

and also possibly behind him as well,

and he gave himself up in this exact intersection,

Sunmount and Viscount, and the killer

gave himself up right in this spot right here.

At any time while you were at the scene,

was any kind of an announcement made that we caught the shooter?

No.

Were you under the assumption and the belief

that the killer was still on the loose?

Yeah.

What I was told by officers is that the day of the incident,

the individual was driving westbound on Viscount,

and he was about to make a southbound turn

going towards back towards the Wal-Mart store

when some DPS troopers or DPS Texas Rangers

stopped his vehicle, so the rest of their vehicles

can make a turn going onto towards the Wal-Mart.

There was an El Paso police officer behind him

at the red light, a motor officer waiting

to make the turn as well.

The individual got scared.

He thought they were coming for him

and that'’s when he exited his vehicle.

Unbeknownst to the officers, this was the subject.

Like I confirmed earlier, we do have one person in custody.

I can confirm that it is a white male in his 20s.

I don'’t have any other information on that,

that will be released at a later time.

But that'’s the information we have right now.

The estimates of the shoppers at a Wal-Mart were between

one and three thousand with 100 employees present.

It is back to school and the Wal-Mart was at capacity

when the shootings occurred.

I want to really stress that the El Paso Police Department

I have the utmost respect for.

I know their success rate in solving murders

is almost 100 percent, I think the national average

is probably 66 percent, something like that.

But I think these are questions that are important.

And I think El Pasoans need to know,

how do you explain a killer walking into a Wal-Mart,

committing the seventh largest mass shooting in U.S. history,

walks out, gets into his car and drives away?

Now, how could that possibly happen?

When I heard that happened, it was hard to believe

that nobody came forward or tried to stop him

on the way out there.

I find it astonishing that there was

no concealed license holders.

I do have a concealed license.

I have my gun on my left side.

I am holstered, that'’s when I'’m like I see people

running, running, running.

And I think I did see him, that'’s the thing I told Josh,

I think I did see him because I saw a guy in a black,

but he was kind of like crouching,

you know, moving like this.

So I'’m like, I don't know, maybe he was just pointing

and running like this, you know,

making sure that nobody would take a shot of him.

Reason why I didn'’t fire my gun was because

I had to think about two things.

First off, I didn'’t know who the gunman was,

so I had no positive ID who the person was.

Second of all, I didn'’t shoot my gun

because there was a lot of people running.

And if I did take aim at him, you know, it'’s a pistol

and I don'’t want to get my gun and just shoot crazy

because now I become the gunman.

So those are the things that I have to think at that moment.

How do you explain a killer walking into a Wal-Mart,

committing the seventh largest mass shooting in U.S. history,

walks back out, gets into his car and drives away?

How could that possibly happen with no resistance?

I'’ve asked that question myself.

That doesn'’t make any police department look good.

Well, no, it doesn'’t.

And you'’re right, he did walk up to the officers

when he was apprehended,

but he could have taken those officers as well.

I mean, they were looking for him.

You mean he could have shot the officers?

He could have shot the officers because they were out

in that intersection where he was apprehended.

So yeah, there was still a lot of people that were in danger,

including the officers.

Where do you think the killer parked?

He possibly parked right in front, right in front.

I wouldn'’t doubt it that he had a parking space either

on the side or the front,

made it easy for him to go in, go out.

I just find it difficult that no one saw him

carrying a rifle inside.

And that'’s what our community needs to realize.

Well, maybe they did, but they just froze.

- They froze. Exactly. - If the police got there 10:45

and they didn'’t see him, he obviously

must have left by then, what do you think he was doing

- for twenty one minutes? - I think he probably drove off

and parked somewhere else for a while,

maybe somewhere in the parking lot of Cielo Vista.

I'’m sure it's going to come out once the trial starts

and they start viewing the video.

Call went out 10:39.

The police were there 10:45.

Six minutes.

At 11:06 he was apprehended.

Active shooter call went out this morning

to 9-1-1 at 10:39 a.m.

Police response, first officer on the scene was 10:45 a.m.

A six minute response time.

In your opinion, is six minutes too slow, acceptable, or what?

Well, there'’s a lot of factors.

I would say it just depends on the area

that the units are patrolling.

The first arriving officers,

which it'’s my understanding one of them was a rookie,

had just graduated from the academy

and walked into a massive shooting

with a lot of fatalities, a lot of carnage.

The officers walked into the unknown,

not really having the training that

as a SWAT officers that we get.

I think the the six minutes was a good response time,

10:00 in the morning, a Saturday,

a week before school was starting.

There'’s a lot of traffic at that time.

People are already rushing to get to the stores.

You got to keep in mind there'’s a time delay

because I'’m the caller calling in,

the call taker is taking the call,

typing the information, first of all, calming the person down

to get the information and type it.

And then the dispatcher is reading off her screen

and repeating that information.

You'’re talking about delay between a minute,

minute and a half, maybe even three minutes.

When I first heard that, they said it had taken them

six minutes to get there,

that'’s a pretty fast response time and as many units

that are in the area would have gone Code 3 to the Wal-Mart.

I sincerely believe that by the time the first officers

got there, the carnage had already been completed.

The only thing that might have prevented that

had there been a unit closer to the store

when the initial call came out.

There is a shortage of police officers to this day in El Paso.

Do we need more officers? Without a doubt.

Do you happen to know where the closest officer was

when the call went out, the first 9-1-1 call went out?

- No, sir, I don'’t. - You don'’t.

- I don'’t. - Don'’t you think it'd be

a good idea for there has to be a requirement for a patrol car

to be in the Cielo Vista area

when you consider how populated it is?

Well, they do have a unit

specifically that patrols that area,

not just Cielo Vista,

but that area, which is a district.

Do you think there should always be police presence

at Cielo Vista, considering how many people are there?

I mean, that morning, 1,000 shoppers, minimum.

The way our society is today,

I feel that we should have a law enforcement presence

in every, every type of location

where we'’re going to have large numbers of individuals

that are walking in and out.

I feel that the presence is going to make a difference.

We know the El Paso Police Department is superior.

Were they superior on August 3rd, though,

that morning?

I believe they were not superior.

I believe that they were standard.

They were unprepared.

The direction that they received is there was a shooter.

They had very little information.

There was word that there was

more than one shooter at one time.

There was a shooter supposedly at the mall.

Just chaos.

It was almost like a combat zone.

I don'’t think they were prepared.

How prepared are you for this kind of incident

here in El Paso, most of the time?

As far as the police department, all the federal agencies,

law enforcement, state and local,

we train for these types of scenarios.

Nobody can be 100 percent prepared

for anything that happens.

We do routinely train.

I think we do work well with each other,

and we have a coordinated effort today.

I don'’t think there's any agency in the country

that'’s prepared for something like this.

And as I said to my staff and to the department,

we train for this, not expecting it to happen,

but nonetheless, we have to prepare for it to happen.

You know, when you'’re injured or you'’re panicking,

a minute seems like forever.

I feel for the people that were on scene waiting

for someone to arrive.

In that situation, a minute feels like an hour.

So, I can totally understand how

someone would feel like

five minutes took an eternity.

Because they weren'’t sure where the shooter was,

someone'’s telling the ambulance, "You can'’t come near here

because the shooter may shoot at you."

Those seconds are precious.

So you think perhaps more people could have been saved?

I wish that they would have been more easily accessible.

Not only was the distance great to get to the ambulance,

it was also up, it'’s going up a hill.

I couldn'’t walk,

and if they wouldn'’t have brought that cart,

I wouldn'’t have made it to the ambulance, there'’s no way.

You know, I don'’t think enough has been said about

these Good Samaritans.

'’Cause I saw the video tape, I saw the exterior,

and we see these people

on their knees, practically,

looking over these people.

I know they'’re not doctors, most likely.

So, I mean, my goodness,

that'’s beyond words what they'’re doing.

Got a level one, level one, level one right here!

- Level one. - I think what'’s important

is even if the police did get there at that time,

it'’s important for people to know that the police

did not render any life saving...

- Measures. - ...measures.

They were working to secure the scene.

So, I understand when police get to the scene,

they have to secure the scene.

So, what exactly is the procedure here?

The officers run in there,

and they see that people are down and wounded,

and we know it only takes a few minutes to bleed out.

But they don'’t know where the killer is.

So, do they render aid,

or do they have to look for the killer?

- What'’s the procedure there? - Well, at this point,

you'’re going to probably look for the killer first.

They'’re going to have to look for the killer first.

They'’re looking for information on the subject

so they can identify him in the store.

They'’re looking at cameras, I'’m sure,

from the outside parking lot

to see what kind of vehicle he got in

to get a description out there.

If they stop to render aid to somebody right away,

the subject could be still in the store,

come up and possibly shoot the officer as well.

So, even if someone'’s bleeding out,

you let them bleed out, and--

- Until you secure the scene? - I know it sounds bad

by saying you let them bleed out...

- Right. - ...but that'’s not

what you want to do.

You have to stop the threat.

Is there a situation where police could do both?

You could attend to the wounded

and look for the threat?

If you have the manpower.

For us, on the EMS and fire side,

we'’re not going to make entry until the scene is secure.

We don'’t have protection for ourselves.

People were out there laying for at least

a good 20 minutes, or so.

And for them to be laying there for that amount of time

without some--the ambulance to make it was tough.

It was really tough.

I was at one of my locations in the lower valley,

and one of my employees called me

from the Walmart Cielo Vista,

and he told me that there had been a shooting.

So I make my way to the parking lot that'’s

right adjacent to the Walmart Cielo Vista.

I get off my vehicle, and I start running.

And I saw a vehicle that was riddled with bullet holes.

An older couple had been shot.

The male passenger was in distress.

He was holding his abdomen,

and he was moaning.

The female passenger had blood running down her face

and looked like she had been shot in her abdomen as well.

There were several people there,

and they told me that

Mr. Velasquez was dying,

but they didn'’t have any kind of medical attention.

There was no police with them.

Mrs. and Mr. Velasquez were

driven to the front of the Walmart

by a Good Samaritan,

since EMS was not able to

go to them

because the scene wasn'’t secure.

First, when they got shot,

and I saw the Velasquezes drive away,

I was like, in hindsight, I was like, "Man, that,

that man was tough to still be able to drive away,

and he was tough to come back."

But I didn'’t realize some stranger,

or something, jumped in the car and drove for them

to get them to the ambulance.

Ready, one, two, and three, move, go, go.

Very sorry, sir.

The one that drew my attention was a patient

with CPR in progress.

She had been talking just a few minutes before.

And now from a shoulder wound,

she was lifeless.

My resident and I quickly and methodically

cut open her chest

to begin manual cardiac compressions.

Three liters of blood

immediately spilled to the floor.

And after working for several minutes,

I knew our efforts were futile,

and I had to pronounce the time of death.

That first patient haunts me every night.

I wish I could have done more,

and I blame myself for her death.

I saw her autopsy recently to try and get some closure.

She was protecting her child,

and so she was actually shot in the back

and through her shoulder.

She had a hole the size of a baseball

at the top of her lung.

Her subclavian vessels were essentially non-existent.

If this injury had been caused by a smaller firearm,

she may have had a chance at survival,

but there was absolutely nothing I could do

to fix that kind of devastating injury.

I hope that she died knowing

that she protected her child from the same fate.

Where was she shot?

I would say she got shot in her back.

I recall seeing

blood on her back.

The doctor, afterwards, said that,

"Blame me for Jordan'’s death,"

but I want to talk about some of the things that happened

prior to that.

Her body was dragged,

and I know that some people think that'’s very cruel

and unnecessary when she could have been picked up.

She also fell off her cart

when she was outside.

The aftermath, in my opinion, was not good.

It was not proper.

What'’s your take on it?

Very difficult to say.

I don'’t like to make comments when it comes to medical issues

such as this because anything could have happened.

We don'’t know where that gun shot,

what type of damage, internal damage was done.

And I know that I was trained from day one

is do not move bodies because you could damage them.

You could damage their internal organs,

their spinal cord.

So, many times we have to take

precautions that are necessary,

but still provide the patient with as much care

and as quick care as possible.

For a shoulder wound, is it better to be

dragged out or picked up?

It'’s very difficult to state

when it comes to dragging or picking up.

If that person needed to be moved out of the way to safety,

if dragging is the only means of doing so,

it'’s going to get done.

So it maybe look cruel to somebody,

but at the time,

if somebody needs to be moved,

they'’re going to be moved by any means possible.

Unfortunately, these wounds have been devastating

and major,

and we are deeply saddened to be here today

to have to tell you that two patients have passed.

In addition to the care

that we have been organizing and leading,

there has been an incredibly robust support staff

by our sides.

The nursing staff has been incredible.

The Del Sol ICU nurses...

...have been amazing.

At most times, there have been two or three nurses

at the bedside of each one of these patients.

We learned a short time ago

that an elderly woman passed away.

Now there'’s one more in addition to that.

- Correct, correct. - Right, so,

means we have 22 right now that'’s deceased...

- Yes. - ...from the entire thing.

How long ago was that most recent death?

You said "more recently," can you tell us

when that patient passed away?

Within the past hour.

When you heard that Mr. Velasquez had passed away,

what was your reaction?

To go back when I left that night.

I wish I could have done more.

Like what?

Anything.

So you feel guilty about it?

The whole weekend I did, up to now, I still do.

Why?

I mean, obviously, my priority was to get to my employees,

but I think any of us who were there,

who experienced that

left there feeling like we could have done more.

Carlos, here'’s the problem, though,

with police getting there and missing the killer.

Because the killer got away,

now the scene is not secured,

and we have wounded bodies laying there,

bleeding out.

So, do you see the-- here'’s the point,

because they got there in six minutes,

and the killer had already gotten away,

that consequence leads to other consequences,

where you can'’t attend to the wounded victims.

So, one problem perpetuates others.

That'’s correct.

But during that time span, we did--

law enforcement did not have the information

readily available

of the number of subjects that were involved.

They did not have the location for them.

We knew that there was one or more individuals

that were still outstanding.

So law enforcement did

the best that they could to secure the scene

and try to find these individuals.

She said that there was people actually--

She saw three or four men coming in with guns shooting.

Okay, so she saw three or four people.

What were they wearing?

She said they were wearing black.

They were all in black.

So there was four people in there?

- Yes. - Okay, so that'’s a contradiction

to another report we heard.

So, okay, so four shooters.

Where were you guys actually in the Walmart?

Were you near the front, the check outs?

By the main clothes, kind of in the front.

- We were about to... - By the men'’s clothes?

...we were actually going to pay,

and that'’s when my mom saw

- the men running in shooting. - So, they ran,

they ran in, and it wasn'’t the police, right?

- It was the actual shooters. - It was actual,

- the actual shooters. - So she was close

to see the door, I guess,

-'’cause she saw them come in. - Yes.

They didn'’t know if they were going to encounter a situation

of more shooters.

People were saying there was multiple shooters.

So, as a precaution, they needed to

find out exactly what was happening.

And they were in different locations too.

- Exactly. - There were reports that there

was shootings outside of the Walmart.

- Can you confirm that? - We had multiple reports

during the active shooter situation.

We had reports at other malls and other locations.

We have verified at this time that those reports were false.

There was reports of the mall and all that,

and it didn'’t even happen.

I mean, come on.

That information was put out to the field.

We had misleading information going to different locations

as far as supermarkets, Costco was one location,

Dillard'’s was another.

Everyone was responding to that.

Social media somewhat influenced that.

There were reports of multiple shooters,

shots fired at the mall,

which is, what, maybe 500 or 600 feet away.

That was also inaccurate.

Whoever'’s making this stuff up,

they'’re hindering the investigation.

They should be arrested.

Do you agree?

Well, yes,

if it was done in a malicious intent,

definitely, most definitely because it did hinder

and it put out a lot of misinformation.

But in incidents like this, it goes chaotic.

How do you think the El Paso Police Department did?

I would give them a good grade

on the way they responded.

Now let'’s say, Rick, you were not a police officer

and you were a family member,

and your loved one was laying there bleeding out,

and I asked you that same question.

How would you respond to that?

The same way.

I guarantee you, as I sit here today,

that every officer that heard

that there was a mass shooting at the Walmart

got there as quickly as they could.

And if they had to,

they would have laid down their life

to protect the citizens of El Paso.

Were you disappointed that Walmart didn'’t have

any security?

Well, they,

they had security before,

but I know that the security that they'’ve had,

they'’re unarmed security.

A flashlight'’s not going to beat an AK-47

- type of weapon. - Most definitely not.

Did that bank have any security?

No, the times that I'’ve been there,

I'’ve never seen security.

The security was at the entrance of Walmart.

You usually see security there.

- Where they there that morning? - No.

They should have had some type of security.

Lot of people'’s like, "Well, Walmart'’s security guards

that you see have no weapons."

But how come now they have off-duty officers

inside their stores?

Just yesterday,

I guess somebody was stealing from a store,

stopped them, tased them.

How come there was no off-duty officers there at that moment?

It'’s such a big store at such a busy area.

I mean, there was thousands of people there

and not a single, single officer.

They need to protect their shoppers.

For you to be able to walk into a store

with an automatic weapon,

it should not be in this day and age.

This is not the first mass shooting

in the world or in America.

He went inside, I was told, to case the joint,

and then came out,

and he walked through the parking lot

with his gun drawn.

That'’s the tragedy of America.

We don'’t really recognize our environment.

If he had a mission, he was going to accomplish it

regardless of what he would have done

with our without security.

Whether it was a Walmart or somewhere else.

Exactly, I mean, so,

the results would have been

more, or less, who knows.

He scouted the interior before he made his move, so...

- Correct. - ...had he seen some security,

maybe that would have deterred him from doing it.

Possible, that'’s very possible.

He may have moved on to another soft target, who knows.

But, again, we'’re talking about fire power.

Police officers normally carry their 9mms.

This guy had a high-powered rifle, who knows,

engaged in a shootout, it'’s hard to tell.

If that'’s the case, we'’re going to be

having security at every situation,

every building that'’s open to the public.

You'’re looking at restaurants.

Are we going to have police officers

at restaurants now?

If we start manning everywhere with,

every place that we go with police officers,

what do we look like?

That'’s not our country, that'’s not America.

You can see just how long the line is of people

dropping what they'’re doing on a Saturday afternoon

to come out and help.

What you'’re seeing on your screen right now

is El Paso to a T.

When I got to the hospital, I was almost

to the last drops of blood when I arrived,

so that was a lot of blood donated to me.

People did rise up

and really showed that this thing is not going to define us.

When that tragedy happened, the city came together

and wrapped their arms around as many people as they could.

The city is awesome.

We'’re as big as other cities, but we'’re not.

Everybody knows everybody some way, some how.

If you'’ve been here long enough,

there'’s a saying that they say that

El Paso knows everybody'’s chisme,

and that'’s just how tight-knit El Paso is.

I'’ve felt so connected to my community since then.

I'’ve gotten letters from children,

and from teenagers,

and visits from people I don'’t even know

all wishing me well.

That really made me proud to be an El Pasoan.

I got reached by so many people

that it'’s overwhelming.

That minute after minute

there was a text message,

there was a message on Facebook,

there was a call, there was something,

a card, people writing letters to you.

It'’s overwhelming, but it feels good.

It feels good that somebody tried to break us apart,

but in reality, brought us all together.

What I found out about all this is

people that walk up and hug you,

it'’s a good thing.

It'’s good medicine.

Strangers that heard about it

know of me.

They'’ll just walk up and say, "Man, I want to give you a hug."

It'’s really a good thing.

Sorry.

If you had all the victims in one room,

what would you tell them?

They'’re going to get better.

Keep their eyes on the prize, stay focused.

Draw close to your family and your friends.

Remember, the reason that you'’re still here

is to tell a story,

to expose the darkness and to offer the light,

to speak truth to power.

If it wouldn'’t have been for the community,

and the way everything happened afterwards,

I don'’t think I could stand

straight, and stand tall, and stand proud.

I'’m happy to be from El Paso.

El Paso'’s unique.

There'’s only one 9-1-5.

The manifesto narrative is fueled by hate,

and it'’s fueled by racism,

and bigotry, and division.

El Paso has historically been

a very safe community.

We'’ve been safe for decades.

We will continue to be safe.

This is someone who came from outside of our community

to do us harm,

a community that has

shown nothing but generosity and kindness

to the least among us,

those people arriving at America'’s front door.

One of the statements that you made

in the tail end of the campaign,

in the midterms,

that this caravan was an invasion.

No, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion,

it'’s a group of migrants moving up

from Central America towards the border with the US.

Thank you for telling me that, I appreciate it.

Why did you characterize it as such?

'’Cause I consider it an invasion.

You and I have a difference of opinion.

But do you think you demonized immigrants?

Not at all--When you report fake news,

no, when you report fake news, which CNN does a lot,

you are the enemy of the people--Go ahead.

The killer told police, afterwards,

that he was trying to hunt Mexicans

- and kill as many as possible. - Hatred drove him to El Paso.

He heard some things

that the Anglos where being disenfranchised at some point,

and Mexicans are going to take their jobs,

or whatever he heard.

He had to stop and get gas, he had to eat,

he had to go to the restroom,

and he had plenty of time to think.

So his hatred violated his own consciousness

and gave him a passion to come here to kill

and to destroy.

Probably passed a lot of Walmarts on the way here.

Probably passed a lot of Mexican cities on the way here.

But he was told, "Go to El Paso.

We'’ve got the border there, we'’ve got tent city there.

Do your part to help us eradicate these Mexicans

that are coming across and taking our benefits

and taking our jobs."

What are people in Juarez saying

about the El Paso Walmart mass shooting?

Eight Mexican nationals were murdered that morning.

What'’s your reaction to that?

That Walmart was nicknamed "The Juarez Walmart."

So, maybe somebody told him that

a large amount of Hispanics go to that store.

Still in the bathroom, and he'’s bleeding.

He got shot,

and nobody'’s going in for him.

Come on, come on, come on, come on!

Come on, this way, this way, let'’s go this way.

Keep your hands up.

- Any injured? - Anybody injured?

Anybody injured? Anybody injured?

- Anybody injured? - Keep walking!

We'’re viewing the body

of a male Mexican,

approximately ten years old.

We are now viewing the body of a male Mexican,

approximately ten years old,

wearing brown shorts and a green t-shirt.

Now viewing the remains of a male Mexican

wearing blue shorts and a blue shirt.

Can we have a pathway over through here?

Let me see.

Okay.

Do you feel as if we need some kind of a response

from the Mexican community?

Some kind of a statement?

Well, we--

I'’ve gotten some friends that have come from Juarez

and have given me their condolences,

their support,

and moral support.

And that'’s great and that'’s expected,

but do we need something else?

Do we need some kind of--

I don'’t know what, but something that,

a clear message that this is unacceptable.

We'’re not just going to sit here and take it.

What should the response be

from the Mexican community?

From the Mexican community,

I don'’t think they should be afraid of coming.

I think they should

be strong and alert.

You'’re attacking my people,

you'’re attacking my city,

you'’re attacking my ethnicity.

My family'’s from Juarez,

so it'’s very personal.

As a mom, it breaks my heart

because I always told my kids that we were all equal,

that the color of our skin doesn'’t matter,

that you treat people with respect

and they respect you too.

So, now how do I explain to my kids

that we were targeted because we'’re Mexican?

Why do so many people hate Mexican people?

It could be because

they'’re blaming us for their shortcomings.

Whatever they haven'’t accomplished in life,

whatever hasn'’t gone right

in their life,

they'’re blaming it on us.

The killer has told police, afterwards,

that he was trying to hunt Mexicans

and kill as many as possible.

Why do you think he fired at you?

I think it was a mixture.

Maybe he'’s wrong place at the wrong time.

Or, to just make sure

he could get as many victims as he could.

The thing that he brought to our city was fear.

He was afraid, and fear adopted fear.

I would say, "Young man, you'’ve made some decisions

and some choices

based on something you really did not understand,

except from a perspective of hatred."

Here in El Paso, we'’ve had

the highest numbers of interracial marriages

ever, ever!

How does this happen in 2019?

I thought those days were gone here in the state of Texas.

I do want to go ahead and get more involved

with the community.

I mean, we have to go ahead and guide our kids

here in this community, especially after what happened,

on the right directions.

I don'’t want a kid

that now is four or five years old

and dad or mom got killed in the incident

to get raised with hate.

I don'’t want the next generation to,

to continue doing stupid stuff

like it has been done,

not only in El Paso, but in other cities.

One thing I try to tell people is that,

"Don'’t change '’cause if we change,

then the killer wins."

Exactly.

What do you think the solution is

to get rid of the hate

towards Hispanics?

They have to get to know

our culture.

I mean, we welcome anybody, we'’re humble,

we'’re close-knit, we'’re about family.

Our family instills in us respect,

love for one another,

love for our elders,

respecting our elders.

It'’s about family values and morals.

Come into my heart and show me how to live.

Give me peace.

I don'’t think there will ever be any man

that would be capable of being a better husband,

father, and friend than he was.

He was just perfect.

And what can I say,

man, he was tough!

These past eight and a half months

were harsh, to say the least,

yet he still blessed us with jokes,

smiles, songs, and laughter.

He held on as long as he could

to bless us just a little bit more,

and he did it out of pure love.

When I thought of a warrior,

I would think

of a man on a horse with a sword,

but my warrior was six feet, three inches tall.

He was a gentle giant with a heart of gold.

His hugs would warm anybody.

He blessed me with 16 years of memories

and two precious gifts, Karina and Memo,

which will always keep him alive.

I lost my father-in-law,

and he was murdered in 1996,

and I found him in a pool of blood,

shot in the head, dead at the bottom

of the basement stairs.

Why, why is this happening?

But I'’m not going to sit and cry.

I'’m going to do something about it.

I'’m going to bring awareness

that has never ever been done like this before.

So, yeah, we have a problem here,

but, my gosh, the solution is us.