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Okay, this is it.
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We're broadcasting on WQTI,
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streaming on WQTI.org.
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The name of our live podcast
is Justice Denied.
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Our guest is Jeffrey Durning,
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distinguished heart surgeon,
philanthropist,
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and defendant in one of the most
sensational murder trials
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of the decade.
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Thank you for having me on, Kathy.
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Please, give me a break.
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You know they can't hear you, right?
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I must admit, I feel a little strange.
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The last time we saw each other
was a year ago in the courtroom
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when I was prosecuting you
for killing your wife Beth.
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I'm glad you had
the courage to re-examine
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the evidence and come to
a more honest conclusion,
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which is more than I can say
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for some of your former colleagues.
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Yeah, well, if he's so honest,
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how come you're hiding from us,
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and telling your story on the
air instead of in a courtroom?
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The first trial ended in a hung jury,
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the Manhattan D.A.'s office
is coming after you again?
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And you dumped her body
from a plane over the Atlantic?
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Obviously, the office has had a series
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of high-profile disasters.
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They're looking for
a rich, white man's scalp
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to make up for them.
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Of course, now we have my old friend
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Erin Reagan saying she has new evidence,
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but like your wife's body,
no one has seen it.
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Police!
Come on, out of the way.
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Move! Get out of the way.
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It looks like
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we have some surprise guests joining us.
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We're gonna take a break.
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Where is he?
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Obviously not on the premises.
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My God, I hate these things!
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Aren't they supposed to shut off
after three minutes?
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It's an older model; I guess
the guy didn't get the message.
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Or that he needs to move
the car for street cleaning.
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How long has it been here?
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A couple days at least, right?
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Excuse me, ma'am!
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You know whose car this is?
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Hey, handsome.
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What's it worth to you?
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Well... My tenant, Harry Clark.
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I keep telling him he needs a new car.
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I know he can afford it.
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Would you have him come down?
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I would, if I'd seen him lately.
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Ma'am, do you notice that
smell inside your apartment?
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No.
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But my nose stopped working years ago.
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Too much fun in the '70s.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Come we come take a look?
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Sure. Come on in.
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Ma'am, can you please wait outside?
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Eddie, he's in here.
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He's ripe.
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It's been a few days?
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Poor Harry.
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Ma'am, I asked you to wait outside.
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Is this Harry Clark, ma'am?
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Yeah.
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Although, come to think of it,
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I'm not sure that's his real name.
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What do you mean?
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I never saw a bank check
with his name on it.
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Always paid the rent in cash.
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And some of his mail came
with different names on it.
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Do you have a next of kin we can contact?
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No. No one ever
visited him.
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Eddie, see if you can find some Vicks.
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The smell's starting to get to me.
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I may have some.
Thank you, ma'am.
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We're all set, thank you.
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Well, if you need me
for anything, just call me.
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And, you, just call me.
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Okay.
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Good to see you, Nick.
You're looking well.
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Thank you. You, too.
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Thanks for this.
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Yeah.
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How's the family?
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Good.
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Yours?
Grown up and out.
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Your son, kind of a hothead,
whatever happened to him?
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Detective, first grade.
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And the other one, going to Harvard?
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On the job as well,
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and my daughter Erin
works for the D.A.'s office.
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It's nice having a family business?
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It is.
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You know, Frank, when I heard
that you got your father's job,
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I was happy to hear that.
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They gave it to the right man.
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Thank you.
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Tyrell Dawes, come on in.
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Sit down.
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You know why you're here?
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My parole officer said
I should come by here,
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but I didn't have to by law.
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This is your Offender Notification Forum.
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We hold them for people
who just got out of prison
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with a high risk of going back.
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Come on, man, what do
you got, a crystal ball?
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You're a gang member
who just did three and a half
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for committing a robbery with a handgun
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in New York City.
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What do you got, an extra
eight-by-ten for my moms?
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Turn it over.
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What's "15" mean?
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That's the number of years you'll do
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if you commit another crime with a gun.
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And that's a hard number;
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There won't be any pleading it down.
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It's up to you, Tyrell.
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None of y'all know me.
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None of y'all know where
I been or where I'm going.
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Yeah, we do.
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You want to tell him or should I?
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May I?
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I am here for
the same reason that you are,
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because the commissioner
asked me to be here,
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and because I just finished
a 20-year bid of my own
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in the state prison.
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I could still be in that prison.
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I killed someone
who threatened my family.
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Commissioner Reagan, who at that time
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was Detective Reagan,
he could've buried me.
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But he didn't.
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He gave me a fair shake.
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So... I'd listen to him.
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Man, is this real?
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Every word.
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Look at this.
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They're all $100 bills.
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There's got to be tens of
thousands of dollars in here.
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Eddie, I wouldn't be touching that.
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"Dear Sandi, I am so sorry
about everything.
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Maybe the rest of this money
will help."
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What's he got to be sorry for?
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Yeah, and who was he?
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What do we got?
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Four wounded.
One serious and likely to die.
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Shootout inside the diner.
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One of the rounds went
through the front window.
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The likely is an Alex Kalamogdartis.
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Kala-what?
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I don't know, it's Greek.
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Okay, what about the other three vics?
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And the third was a 12-year-old
boy walking by outside
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with his family.
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Okay, so we got a gang war at
a greasy spoon. Any witnesses?
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Well, no one's talking about
why it jumped off tonight.
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We do know this Alex
may have had a dispute.
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Any actual witnesses to the shooting?
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Not so much.
Hey, boss.
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Everyone's saying how it was
too dark to see anything.
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Too dark in a brightly lit diner?
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Well, they've been renting it out
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as pop-up nightclub
sometimes.
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The current owner is over there,
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Stavros Constantine.
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Hey, Stavros.
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Hey! Want to tell us
what this is about?
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I mean, I have no idea.
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We've never had any trouble
on club nights before.
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Well, can't imagine
people shooting your place up
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if all you're doing is serving moussaka.
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Listen, I'm as confused as you are, okay?
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Making sure we got enough
champagne for bottle service,
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bang, bang, bang, it's all hell
is breaking loose.
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So you're trying to tell us
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you don't know anything
about this Alex Kala-what?
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Mogdartis.
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Kalamogdartis.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
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Of course I know Alex Kalamogdartis.
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It's like the Trojan War
with our families.
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What's that mean?
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He's been trying to take over our diner.
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To a lot of local businesses;
He's a thug.
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And you have no idea who shot him.
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I'm afraid I-I can't help you.
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Can't or won't?
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Okay, well, we're gonna assume
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that you don't have a cabaret license
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for this little nightclub of yours,
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so here's what we're gonna do.
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You're gonna get your hands
out of your pocket,
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and then you're gonna
take a ride with us.
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See if that jogs
your memory. Come on.
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So what?
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Now that the supervisors
have been and gone,
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we just have to sit here,
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safeguard the place until
the public administrator
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comes and starts to try to make
inventory of all this?
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Real-life police work, Eddie.
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It's not all paperwork and donuts.
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You know, we turned over
a lot of money yesterday,
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and there's still no next of kin.
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Some of this junk lying around
might be worth something.
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Bosses just want us to keep an eye on it
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till things get settled.
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Yeah, well, hey, can we
open a window, please?
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The guy's gone, but that stink is
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very much still here.
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You know,
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Harry must have been
hiding from something.
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Or someone.
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Sounds like he's been
locked up in this apartment
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the last 25 years.
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Hey, Jamie, do you remember
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the New York Benefactors' Trust robbery?
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1992, $21 million stolen.
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Yeah, biggest heist
in the city's history.
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Most of it never recovered.
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Keep finding all these clippings
that Harry kept about it.
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Jamie, you don't think...
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Should we order first or argue first?
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I'm happy to get business out of the way.
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We have an arrest warrant
for Jeffrey Durning,
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and I want to know where he is.
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What if I told you I don't know?
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Except that he's somewhere in Europe.
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I wouldn't believe you.
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This isn't about me.
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It's about the facts of the case.
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Right after the trial,
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I started hearing from witnesses
that Beth might still be alive.
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She was a very unstable woman, Erin.
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We are going to retry this case.
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We just need him back in custody.
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Obviously, you're worried
about losing this case
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in a court of public opinion
before it goes to trial.
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If you have new evidence,
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why don't you come on my show
to talk about it?
242
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How about this?
243
00:12:28,402 --> 00:12:30,946
I have you subpoenaed and
brought before the grand jury,
244
00:12:30,948 --> 00:12:33,291
and if you don't answer the
questions, I will ask the judge
245
00:12:33,293 --> 00:12:34,596
to hold you in contempt.
246
00:12:34,598 --> 00:12:35,870
You'll never win.
247
00:12:35,872 --> 00:12:37,277
Classic First Amendment case.
248
00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,586
But I don't have to tell you that, do I?
249
00:12:44,479 --> 00:12:45,984
Good luck, Erin.
250
00:12:45,986 --> 00:12:49,501
I guess I wasn't all that hungry anyway.
251
00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:50,874
But maybe you are.
252
00:13:08,893 --> 00:13:11,673
You weren't 100% honest with us
last night, were you?
253
00:13:11,675 --> 00:13:13,682
What do you mean?
254
00:13:13,684 --> 00:13:16,864
Breakfast, lunch and dinner on the menu.
255
00:13:16,866 --> 00:13:18,104
Alex K is a known drug dealer.
256
00:13:18,106 --> 00:13:19,711
He came to your place with a beef.
257
00:13:19,713 --> 00:13:24,031
That if we bring the dogs in,
they're not gonna find anything?
258
00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:25,639
I'm no drug dealer.
259
00:13:25,641 --> 00:13:29,691
Okay, well, maybe you wouldn't
let him sell drugs in your club,
260
00:13:29,693 --> 00:13:31,467
and that's why he had a beef.
261
00:13:32,774 --> 00:13:34,714
Come on, help me understand here.
262
00:13:40,678 --> 00:13:42,787
Finally got a couple
of witness statements
263
00:13:42,789 --> 00:13:45,767
and a photo from a parking lot camera.
264
00:13:50,793 --> 00:13:52,935
Good work.
265
00:13:54,578 --> 00:13:56,283
What's up?
266
00:13:56,285 --> 00:13:59,802
You know, I'm thinking,
if you didn't fire the shots,
267
00:13:59,804 --> 00:14:01,944
then you definitely know who did.
268
00:14:01,946 --> 00:14:03,016
Who's this?
269
00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:07,705
I don't know.
270
00:14:07,707 --> 00:14:09,045
You want to keep your business?
271
00:14:09,047 --> 00:14:11,959
And give me an honest answer this time.
272
00:14:11,961 --> 00:14:14,002
Come on.
273
00:14:14,004 --> 00:14:16,046
Come on! Who is it?!
274
00:14:21,974 --> 00:14:24,183
It's my father.
275
00:14:30,114 --> 00:14:31,418
Nick Constantine
276
00:14:31,420 --> 00:14:33,863
is hardly a friend;
I arrested him once.
277
00:14:33,865 --> 00:14:34,869
Not just that.
278
00:14:34,871 --> 00:14:36,140
Your testimony at his trial...
279
00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:38,151
Was entirely truthful.
280
00:14:38,153 --> 00:14:39,121
And helpful to the defense.
281
00:14:39,123 --> 00:14:41,063
And now that same person
282
00:14:41,065 --> 00:14:43,877
was present, arguably
with motive, at the scene
283
00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:45,184
of a shooting and can't be found.
284
00:14:45,186 --> 00:14:47,863
We give him a head start? No, boss.
285
00:14:47,865 --> 00:14:49,270
Then what's your point?
286
00:14:49,272 --> 00:14:51,882
That old media has
handed down the perception
287
00:14:51,884 --> 00:14:54,093
that you pulled punches
when you testified at his trial.
288
00:14:54,095 --> 00:14:56,268
And two days ago, he was at your side
289
00:14:56,270 --> 00:14:58,111
at an Offender's Notification Forum
290
00:14:58,113 --> 00:15:00,020
in the role of model ex-con.
291
00:15:00,022 --> 00:15:01,662
I tell you what,
you manage the perception,
292
00:15:01,664 --> 00:15:03,168
I'll manage my department.
293
00:15:03,170 --> 00:15:05,245
Less than a month ago,
you came out strong
294
00:15:05,247 --> 00:15:06,585
against the mayor's Fresh Start program.
295
00:15:06,587 --> 00:15:07,590
This isn't that.
296
00:15:07,592 --> 00:15:10,236
Not your call, all due respect.
297
00:15:10,238 --> 00:15:13,619
That you've put your eggs
in the Nick Constantine basket.
298
00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:16,365
A man does a wrong thing
once in his life,
299
00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:18,040
in this case, for the right reason.
300
00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:22,360
That believes that there can,
in fact, be a chance
301
00:15:22,362 --> 00:15:24,436
for a second act in people's lives.
302
00:15:26,213 --> 00:15:27,586
Any idea where he's headed?
303
00:15:27,588 --> 00:15:30,399
We're tracking friends,
cell records and credit cards,
304
00:15:30,401 --> 00:15:31,704
but after 20 years,
305
00:15:31,706 --> 00:15:34,082
he doesn't have that much
of a network to plug into.
306
00:15:34,084 --> 00:15:35,489
Which means he can't be that far.
307
00:15:35,491 --> 00:15:36,661
Let's make it clear
308
00:15:36,663 --> 00:15:38,369
that we're devoting all our resources
309
00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:40,847
to hunting him down
and making sure he pays.
310
00:15:40,849 --> 00:15:43,018
In other words, grandstand
before all the facts are in.
311
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:46,240
Is he even the prime suspect?
312
00:15:46,242 --> 00:15:49,155
Well, he's more than
a person of interest.
313
00:15:49,157 --> 00:15:51,733
Then let's just find him.
314
00:15:57,930 --> 00:16:01,613
Yeah. Yeah, thanks.
315
00:16:01,615 --> 00:16:03,523
Public administrator's
gonna be another day.
316
00:16:03,525 --> 00:16:05,197
They are backed up and understaffed.
317
00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:07,842
Well, Jamie, I just found more cash.
318
00:16:07,844 --> 00:16:09,483
Shouldn't we tell
319
00:16:09,485 --> 00:16:10,791
major case this could all be connected
320
00:16:10,793 --> 00:16:12,331
to that bank robbery?
321
00:16:12,333 --> 00:16:13,604
I already put a call in.
322
00:16:13,606 --> 00:16:15,410
It's no longer an active investigation.
323
00:16:15,412 --> 00:16:16,986
All the robbers are either
324
00:16:16,988 --> 00:16:18,593
dead or in prison,
and the bank went under.
325
00:16:18,595 --> 00:16:21,976
We got no reason to think
that Harry was involved
326
00:16:21,978 --> 00:16:23,450
other than the clippings.
327
00:16:23,452 --> 00:16:24,922
This cash could be legitimate.
328
00:16:24,924 --> 00:16:26,631
Well, then where did
all the money come from?
329
00:16:26,633 --> 00:16:27,972
Doesn't look like this guy's had a job
330
00:16:27,974 --> 00:16:29,779
in a really long time.
331
00:16:29,781 --> 00:16:32,660
And why all this dog stuff and no dog?
332
00:16:32,662 --> 00:16:35,675
Hey, we just walked in your
apartment, what would we find?
333
00:16:35,677 --> 00:16:37,584
Some laundry that needs to be folded,
334
00:16:37,586 --> 00:16:40,465
couple unpaid bills, maybe
something in the DVD player
335
00:16:40,467 --> 00:16:41,769
I'd rather nobody find out.
336
00:16:41,771 --> 00:16:42,843
Really?
337
00:16:42,845 --> 00:16:44,752
The Little Mermaid.
338
00:16:45,758 --> 00:16:47,766
Jamie, I don't know.
339
00:16:47,768 --> 00:16:50,478
Part of me thinks this could be
an integrity test by IAB
340
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,785
to see what we would actually do.
341
00:16:51,787 --> 00:16:53,659
Do you know how crazy that sounds?
342
00:16:59,723 --> 00:17:01,096
Can I help you?
343
00:17:01,098 --> 00:17:03,205
Officer Jamie Reagan?
344
00:17:03,207 --> 00:17:06,689
You left a message for me.
345
00:17:06,691 --> 00:17:07,794
About Harry Clark.
346
00:17:07,796 --> 00:17:09,535
I'm Sandi Harper.
347
00:17:09,537 --> 00:17:11,779
This is my grandson, David.
348
00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:13,788
You knew him?
He was a friend?
349
00:17:13,790 --> 00:17:15,732
I knew him.
350
00:17:15,734 --> 00:17:19,214
I wouldn't say he was a friend exactly.
351
00:17:19,216 --> 00:17:21,325
He just sent me money.
352
00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:27,822
Mindy, I don't know what this is.
353
00:17:27,824 --> 00:17:30,200
You gave us a statement
that Jeffrey told you
354
00:17:30,202 --> 00:17:33,047
and now you're just
trying to take it back?
355
00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:38,305
Jeffrey came to visit me the other night.
356
00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:40,047
At my apartment.
357
00:17:40,049 --> 00:17:41,353
He's still in town?
358
00:17:41,355 --> 00:17:42,894
He heard that I was helping you
359
00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:45,372
and telling you the things
that he said about Beth
360
00:17:45,374 --> 00:17:46,913
and how she disappeared.
361
00:17:46,915 --> 00:17:48,854
Did he say how he heard?
362
00:17:48,856 --> 00:17:52,071
It sounded like he had a source
that knew people at this office.
363
00:17:55,019 --> 00:17:57,998
He said that I could disappear, too.
364
00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,171
Just like Beth.
365
00:17:59,173 --> 00:18:01,081
He directly threatened you?
366
00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:03,894
He made it clear
that it wouldn't be good for me.
367
00:18:03,896 --> 00:18:05,367
He called me his little shark bait.
368
00:18:05,369 --> 00:18:07,075
Like it was a joke.
369
00:18:07,077 --> 00:18:09,319
And then he left.
370
00:18:09,321 --> 00:18:12,099
He thinks you guys will never find him.
371
00:18:12,101 --> 00:18:15,984
I understand you're scared,
but we need your testimony.
372
00:18:15,986 --> 00:18:18,429
Otherwise, he's gonna go out
and do this to someone else.
373
00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:21,310
Seriously?
Like this is my fault?
374
00:18:22,585 --> 00:18:24,357
I tried to tell you people
about this before,
375
00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,430
and you wouldn't believe me.
376
00:18:25,432 --> 00:18:27,941
You tried to tell who?
377
00:18:27,943 --> 00:18:30,922
The prosecutor
who had this case before you.
378
00:18:30,924 --> 00:18:32,596
Kathy Elliott.
379
00:18:40,234 --> 00:18:42,343
Traffic camera last spotted Nick's car
380
00:18:42,345 --> 00:18:44,186
at this intersection.
381
00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:48,171
You see anything yet?
382
00:18:48,173 --> 00:18:50,013
This is it.
383
00:18:50,015 --> 00:18:51,487
This is the car Nick was driving.
384
00:18:51,489 --> 00:18:54,367
He could be hiding out,
and he chooses a diner?
385
00:18:54,369 --> 00:18:56,007
Well, it makes sense.
386
00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:57,347
He's probably hungry,
doesn't have a lot of cash.
387
00:18:57,349 --> 00:19:00,361
Like a married guy who divorces his wife,
388
00:19:00,363 --> 00:19:02,337
then marries the same kind of girl.
389
00:19:02,339 --> 00:19:03,744
Shouldn't we call it in
390
00:19:03,746 --> 00:19:05,318
and wait for backup?
No.
391
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,488
We're not gonna let him
run out on the check this time.
392
00:19:23,339 --> 00:19:25,648
You go that way.
393
00:19:26,687 --> 00:19:29,232
Excuse me.
I need you to follow me.
394
00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:31,944
Nick Constantine.
395
00:19:33,219 --> 00:19:35,462
How the hell you been?
396
00:19:36,434 --> 00:19:37,773
Remind me.
397
00:19:37,775 --> 00:19:38,945
Danny Reagan.
398
00:19:39,984 --> 00:19:41,489
Think you know my old man.
399
00:19:41,491 --> 00:19:45,308
Right, Danny.
400
00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:46,482
The hothead.
401
00:19:46,484 --> 00:19:47,486
How you doing?
402
00:19:47,488 --> 00:19:49,495
Maybe we should talk outside.
403
00:19:49,497 --> 00:19:52,309
Why would I do that?
404
00:19:52,311 --> 00:19:54,285
Everybody out of the diner.
Let's go.
405
00:19:55,592 --> 00:19:56,864
Let's go. Come on. Come on.
406
00:20:09,659 --> 00:20:13,041
You know, Danny, at my age...
407
00:20:15,016 --> 00:20:17,627
I'm not going back to prison.
408
00:20:17,629 --> 00:20:20,108
We can do this the hard way if you want.
409
00:20:20,110 --> 00:20:21,815
But I think you might've caused
410
00:20:21,817 --> 00:20:24,126
enough pain for your family already.
411
00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:37,792
If... if I come with you, quietly...
412
00:20:37,794 --> 00:20:39,868
it's on one condition.
413
00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:41,644
I'm listening.
414
00:20:41,646 --> 00:20:44,958
I talk to Frank.
415
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,968
Nobody else.
416
00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:48,708
Just Frank.
417
00:20:50,686 --> 00:20:52,327
I'll see what I could do.
418
00:21:05,222 --> 00:21:07,699
What's the old man doing?
419
00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:09,240
Talk to him.
420
00:21:21,298 --> 00:21:24,412
I got word your suspect
wanted to speak to me.
421
00:21:24,414 --> 00:21:26,321
Yeah, he asked.
422
00:21:26,323 --> 00:21:28,063
And I didn't say yes.
423
00:21:28,065 --> 00:21:30,039
Why not?
424
00:21:30,041 --> 00:21:32,383
I don't typically offer up
the commissioner's time
425
00:21:32,385 --> 00:21:33,924
as part of my deals.
426
00:21:33,926 --> 00:21:36,906
I'd like to make an exception
in this instance.
427
00:21:36,908 --> 00:21:39,184
Well, since when do you come down here
428
00:21:39,186 --> 00:21:40,824
because a suspect asked you to?
429
00:21:40,826 --> 00:21:44,140
Can't think of the last time I did.
430
00:21:44,142 --> 00:21:48,058
Look, I know he's your collar,
431
00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:51,608
and you certainly don't
need my help, Detective.
432
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:53,886
You're as good as I got, but...
433
00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:58,305
he was my collar first.
434
00:22:01,256 --> 00:22:02,995
I have to know.
435
00:22:02,997 --> 00:22:05,506
Well, he's in the box.
436
00:22:05,508 --> 00:22:09,560
It might be better
if I talked to him in here.
437
00:22:11,304 --> 00:22:13,044
Okay.
438
00:22:13,046 --> 00:22:14,215
Thank you.
439
00:22:14,217 --> 00:22:16,593
By the way, the gun we found on him
440
00:22:16,595 --> 00:22:18,972
does match the one used in the murder.
441
00:22:39,203 --> 00:22:42,551
The coffee at our diner used to
be the best coffee in the city.
442
00:22:42,553 --> 00:22:44,560
There's no chain places,
443
00:22:44,562 --> 00:22:47,440
one supplier for all
of the diners in town.
444
00:22:47,442 --> 00:22:50,220
No special bean that
comes out of a cat's ass.
445
00:22:50,222 --> 00:22:52,765
I didn't come down here
to reminisce about coffee.
446
00:22:54,543 --> 00:22:57,655
Alex Kalamogdartis.
447
00:22:57,657 --> 00:22:59,900
He was not a nice young man, Frank.
448
00:22:59,902 --> 00:23:03,183
Well, he died this morning.
449
00:23:04,589 --> 00:23:06,229
And "not nice" is not grounds
450
00:23:06,231 --> 00:23:08,339
for a justifiable homicide, Nick.
451
00:23:08,341 --> 00:23:12,525
Come on, the kid had a record
as long as the old man.
452
00:23:12,527 --> 00:23:13,865
I know that.
453
00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:15,240
Tell me what happened.
454
00:23:15,242 --> 00:23:16,612
I got nothing to tell.
455
00:23:16,614 --> 00:23:18,253
I'm at my family restaurant,
456
00:23:18,255 --> 00:23:19,826
celebrating my freedom.
457
00:23:19,828 --> 00:23:21,569
In walks the kid.
458
00:23:21,571 --> 00:23:23,042
Hot and bothered, stirring up trouble.
459
00:23:23,044 --> 00:23:24,818
Just like his old man.
460
00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:26,860
Next thing I know, bodies are falling.
461
00:23:26,862 --> 00:23:28,434
Who fired the shots?
462
00:23:28,436 --> 00:23:30,344
I don't know;
It was dark, it was crowded,
463
00:23:30,346 --> 00:23:31,849
music was loud.
464
00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:34,664
Why do we have
465
00:23:34,666 --> 00:23:37,879
this picture of you leaving with the gun?
466
00:23:40,895 --> 00:23:42,401
I wasn't thinking, Frank.
467
00:23:42,403 --> 00:23:44,378
I panicked when I saw
the gun on the floor.
468
00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:46,889
All I could think was
I got to get it out of here.
469
00:23:46,891 --> 00:23:50,138
You got a problem,
or does the problem have you?
470
00:23:51,646 --> 00:23:53,855
You trying to cover for somebody?
471
00:23:53,857 --> 00:23:56,837
Like, maybe you got used to life inside,
472
00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:58,008
had it wired pretty good.
473
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:59,147
You're dead wrong.
474
00:23:59,149 --> 00:24:00,823
I'm not covering for anybody.
475
00:24:00,825 --> 00:24:02,897
Right, and you have no idea
who the shooter was
476
00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:04,774
in your own restaurant,
with your own people around.
477
00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,147
Nobody saw nothing.
478
00:24:10,236 --> 00:24:12,646
Where was your boy when this happened?
479
00:24:12,648 --> 00:24:14,017
In the back.
480
00:24:14,019 --> 00:24:16,596
Who with?
I don't know.
481
00:24:16,598 --> 00:24:20,615
I gave you the benefit of the doubt once.
482
00:24:20,617 --> 00:24:22,258
You owe me the truth.
483
00:24:24,234 --> 00:24:27,951
I paid my debt to the State of New York.
484
00:24:27,953 --> 00:24:29,994
20 years.
485
00:24:29,996 --> 00:24:33,845
I gave it 20 years of my life.
486
00:24:33,847 --> 00:24:36,357
I don't owe anybody anything else.
487
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,773
Not good enough.
488
00:24:39,775 --> 00:24:41,046
Start over.
489
00:24:43,057 --> 00:24:45,366
That's Harry.
490
00:24:45,368 --> 00:24:47,209
With my late husband David.
491
00:24:47,211 --> 00:24:49,352
Two of them were thick as thieves.
492
00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:52,969
Drinking and gambling every
night at the Old Bluff.
493
00:24:52,971 --> 00:24:54,978
Sandi, you said that you weren't
friends with Harry,
494
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:57,089
but he kept sending you money.
495
00:24:57,091 --> 00:24:58,093
Why?
496
00:24:58,095 --> 00:24:59,065
I don't know.
497
00:24:59,067 --> 00:25:00,370
Maybe he felt sorry for me
498
00:25:00,372 --> 00:25:02,749
because I had to raise
my grandson on my own.
499
00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,227
The child has special needs.
500
00:25:05,229 --> 00:25:09,783
And he was doing well
in the program I sent him to.
501
00:25:09,785 --> 00:25:11,257
That school they had him in?
502
00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:13,366
Full of screamers and head bangers.
503
00:25:13,368 --> 00:25:15,544
How much was Harry sending?
504
00:25:15,546 --> 00:25:17,888
Are you gonna tell the IRS?
505
00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:19,260
No.
506
00:25:19,262 --> 00:25:22,140
Never more than ten grand.
507
00:25:22,142 --> 00:25:24,151
Every few months.
508
00:25:24,153 --> 00:25:26,261
Now the program says
David can't come back
509
00:25:26,263 --> 00:25:28,237
until I pay the next bill.
510
00:25:28,239 --> 00:25:30,313
Sandi, I hate to ask you this,
511
00:25:30,315 --> 00:25:33,327
but that's a lot of money for
a guy that didn't have a job.
512
00:25:34,568 --> 00:25:36,375
Do you know anything about
Harry's involvement
513
00:25:36,377 --> 00:25:37,515
in the Benny Trust heist?
514
00:25:39,492 --> 00:25:41,231
That's where my husband worked.
515
00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:44,247
What did he do there?
516
00:25:44,249 --> 00:25:46,390
He was a guard.
517
00:25:46,392 --> 00:25:49,605
The guard who got killed in the robbery?
518
00:25:49,607 --> 00:25:53,558
The bank got their money back
from the insurance,
519
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,169
and then went under before
they paid our benefits
520
00:25:56,171 --> 00:25:57,609
like they promised.
521
00:25:57,611 --> 00:26:00,155
Harry was the only one
looking out for us.
522
00:26:00,157 --> 00:26:02,365
Did you ever ask where he got the cash?
523
00:26:02,367 --> 00:26:06,151
But I knew something
was eating him inside.
524
00:26:06,153 --> 00:26:07,689
And they always said
525
00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:10,204
the robbers must have had an inside tip.
526
00:26:10,206 --> 00:26:12,212
You think Harry was the conduit,
527
00:26:12,214 --> 00:26:14,189
because he was drinking buddies
with your husband?
528
00:26:14,191 --> 00:26:15,830
He sure acted guilty around me.
529
00:26:15,832 --> 00:26:17,538
You think he got a cut afterward?
530
00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:19,580
I don't know.
531
00:26:19,582 --> 00:26:21,423
I needed the money.
532
00:26:21,425 --> 00:26:23,265
For my grandson.
533
00:26:24,504 --> 00:26:27,251
I guess you got a judgment about that?
534
00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:30,332
I don't know what to think.
535
00:26:30,334 --> 00:26:33,480
So what happens now?
536
00:26:37,501 --> 00:26:38,504
Hey, Reagan.
537
00:26:38,506 --> 00:26:40,747
What the hell do you want?
538
00:26:40,749 --> 00:26:42,992
I heard you had my father here.
539
00:26:42,994 --> 00:26:45,236
Yeah. Well, unless you got
something new to offer
540
00:26:45,238 --> 00:26:46,542
that you held back on before,
541
00:26:46,544 --> 00:26:48,586
there's nothing you can
do to help him now.
542
00:26:48,588 --> 00:26:49,657
Wait.
543
00:26:51,433 --> 00:26:53,709
I think you're gonna want to hear this.
544
00:26:53,711 --> 00:26:56,924
Okay.
545
00:26:56,926 --> 00:26:58,667
Come on.
546
00:27:16,552 --> 00:27:19,431
We're good to go?
547
00:27:19,433 --> 00:27:20,738
GPS is working.
548
00:27:20,740 --> 00:27:22,781
We good with the warrant?
Just in time.
549
00:27:22,783 --> 00:27:24,154
Judge says,
"Kathy's her own worst enemy."
550
00:27:24,156 --> 00:27:26,130
If she wasn't pushing this...
551
00:27:26,132 --> 00:27:28,139
A live video interview
to drive up ratings...
552
00:27:28,141 --> 00:27:31,925
We wouldn't have probable cause
she was meeting with Jeffrey.
553
00:27:33,466 --> 00:27:35,207
There she is.
554
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,900
Can't believe she's doing this.
555
00:27:40,902 --> 00:27:43,982
She was one of the best trial
lawyers I ever worked with.
556
00:27:43,984 --> 00:27:47,063
One thing about Kathy,
she was always more about
557
00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:49,039
the attention than the case.
558
00:27:50,312 --> 00:27:52,120
Let's go.
559
00:27:52,122 --> 00:27:53,969
Please, don't complain
about the driving today.
560
00:27:57,981 --> 00:28:00,058
No promises.
561
00:28:02,202 --> 00:28:05,181
My father's the strongest man I know.
562
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,158
I could never be like him.
563
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,230
Okay.
564
00:28:08,232 --> 00:28:10,004
He did 20 years in state prison,
565
00:28:10,006 --> 00:28:11,244
and he never complained about the food.
566
00:28:11,246 --> 00:28:13,153
After being in the restaurant business.
567
00:28:14,964 --> 00:28:20,053
No, he... he deserves
to have his life back.
568
00:28:20,055 --> 00:28:21,325
He only just met his granddaughter.
569
00:28:21,327 --> 00:28:24,976
I'm sure this is all going someplace.
570
00:28:24,978 --> 00:28:27,087
When Alex Kalamogdartis
571
00:28:27,089 --> 00:28:29,128
came in the other night
and started threatening him,
572
00:28:29,130 --> 00:28:32,880
So you're saying you were
there during the argument.
573
00:28:32,882 --> 00:28:34,054
Yes, yes.
574
00:28:34,056 --> 00:28:35,258
I'm sorry that I lied before.
575
00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:37,134
Like I said, I'm not as strong as Papa.
576
00:28:37,136 --> 00:28:39,278
Okay, we've moved past that.
577
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,359
So you heard Alex threaten
your dad, then what did you do?
578
00:28:44,302 --> 00:28:46,378
I went, I went and I got my cousin's gun
579
00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:47,584
from under the cash register.
580
00:28:47,586 --> 00:28:49,325
And then what?
581
00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,205
And then I just started shooting.
582
00:28:54,183 --> 00:28:58,469
And shooting and shooting
and shooting and shooting!
583
00:28:59,474 --> 00:29:01,282
After it was done,
584
00:29:01,284 --> 00:29:04,229
Papa took the gun and told me
to keep my mouth shut.
585
00:29:05,203 --> 00:29:07,210
Okay.
I did it.
586
00:29:07,212 --> 00:29:11,296
I'm gonna need you to
write that all down, okay?
587
00:29:16,287 --> 00:29:20,305
My father's still got a
few good years left.
588
00:29:20,307 --> 00:29:24,190
I can't let him go back to
prison for something that I did.
589
00:29:31,225 --> 00:29:33,502
You want a lawyer?
590
00:29:33,504 --> 00:29:35,376
Now? Seriously?
591
00:29:35,379 --> 00:29:37,253
Yeah. It's my right.
I didn't shoot the kid.
592
00:29:37,255 --> 00:29:38,828
You got no right to keep me here.
593
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:40,099
You asked for me.
594
00:29:40,101 --> 00:29:41,841
And now you want a lawyer?
595
00:29:44,556 --> 00:29:46,798
It's done.
596
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,204
He confessed.
597
00:30:04,517 --> 00:30:05,755
Full statement?
598
00:30:05,757 --> 00:30:08,434
Signed, sealed and delivered.
599
00:30:08,436 --> 00:30:09,806
Good work.
600
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:11,884
Stavros... In English.
601
00:30:11,886 --> 00:30:14,362
Papa, I'm sorry.
Don't do this.
602
00:30:14,364 --> 00:30:16,439
- I already did.
- No, you didn't.
603
00:30:16,441 --> 00:30:17,845
I shot him, Papa.
604
00:30:17,847 --> 00:30:19,318
He didn't give me a choice.
605
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,295
Take him down to Central Booking.
606
00:30:21,297 --> 00:30:22,501
Yes, sir. Come on.
Wait a minute.
607
00:30:22,503 --> 00:30:23,773
Wait a minute!
Wait a minute!
608
00:30:37,406 --> 00:30:41,021
I don't think you're gonna
let him do this, Nick.
609
00:30:41,023 --> 00:30:45,510
You're not a perfect man,
but you love your family
610
00:30:45,512 --> 00:30:47,553
and you love your son.
611
00:30:53,650 --> 00:30:56,596
It's how it had to be, Frank.
612
00:30:56,598 --> 00:31:01,084
Otherwise, those people
were never gonna let us be.
613
00:31:01,086 --> 00:31:03,228
Ready to make a statement?
614
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:06,242
Yes, I am.
615
00:31:10,832 --> 00:31:13,711
We got the cuffs on the wrong man.
616
00:31:44,123 --> 00:31:45,998
Nice ride.
Smart.
617
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,878
Jeffrey knew we'd be looking for him
618
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,289
at the airfields, so he's
all set to get away by land.
619
00:31:51,291 --> 00:31:54,370
Well, I guess looking back,
I could've seen the signs.
620
00:31:54,372 --> 00:31:57,050
Beth was always a little flighty.
621
00:31:57,052 --> 00:31:59,159
That was part of the energy
that drew me to her.
622
00:31:59,161 --> 00:32:00,333
She started disappearing for
623
00:32:00,335 --> 00:32:02,208
longer and longer periods of time.
624
00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:04,251
And then one night,
she just didn't come back.
625
00:32:06,261 --> 00:32:08,169
You two, sit down.
626
00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,883
And shut that off.
627
00:32:11,788 --> 00:32:14,097
On your feet, Doc.
Come on.
628
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:17,013
Come on!
629
00:32:17,015 --> 00:32:19,021
Looks like this interview is over, Kathy.
630
00:32:19,023 --> 00:32:21,131
Jeffrey Durning, we have
a warrant for your arrest.
631
00:32:22,238 --> 00:32:26,087
We also have a warrant for yo arrest.
632
00:32:26,089 --> 00:32:27,394
For what?
633
00:32:27,396 --> 00:32:30,307
You lied to us about where he was,
634
00:32:30,309 --> 00:32:32,049
and you're assisting a fugitive.
635
00:32:32,051 --> 00:32:33,288
Wait.
636
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,197
There's something you need to see
637
00:32:35,199 --> 00:32:37,073
that changes this whole case.
638
00:32:37,075 --> 00:32:38,312
Really?
639
00:32:40,256 --> 00:32:43,335
This... was taken in Caracas
640
00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:45,313
two days ago by a friend of Beth's.
641
00:32:46,419 --> 00:32:48,494
She's still alive.
642
00:32:55,429 --> 00:32:56,666
Hey.
643
00:32:56,668 --> 00:32:59,245
Hey. Put the brisket
in the fridge.
644
00:32:59,247 --> 00:33:01,389
I got us a bottle of wine;
We're in business.
645
00:33:01,391 --> 00:33:04,771
Do you remember the Benny Trust heist?
646
00:33:04,773 --> 00:33:06,446
Sure I do.
647
00:33:06,448 --> 00:33:08,054
Happened when I was PC.
648
00:33:08,056 --> 00:33:10,064
We always heard that
it was an inside job,
649
00:33:10,066 --> 00:33:11,470
but we could never prove it.
650
00:33:11,472 --> 00:33:13,647
Most of the thieves killed each other
651
00:33:13,649 --> 00:33:15,757
before they could
spend the money. Why?
652
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,834
Just a hypothetical,
but what if I told you
653
00:33:17,836 --> 00:33:20,446
that I found some of the money?
654
00:33:20,448 --> 00:33:24,700
You're taking us to Peter
Luger's for family dinner.
655
00:33:28,184 --> 00:33:30,862
Seriously, it's a closed case, isn't it?
656
00:33:30,864 --> 00:33:35,183
No, the term is "not an
active investigation."
657
00:33:35,185 --> 00:33:36,589
Big difference.
658
00:33:38,734 --> 00:33:40,741
Let's just say a couple of partners
659
00:33:40,743 --> 00:33:43,623
stumble on a bundle of cash
in a dead man's apartment.
660
00:33:43,625 --> 00:33:46,436
Well, if they take it for themselves,
661
00:33:46,438 --> 00:33:50,624
they're out of a job and
maybe on their way to prison.
662
00:33:50,626 --> 00:33:53,570
Let's just say though that
they've made all the right calls
663
00:33:53,572 --> 00:33:55,413
and turns out
nobody's looking for that money,
664
00:33:55,415 --> 00:33:57,688
but it's clear that the dead guy
665
00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:00,469
wanted to leave it to somebody
who really needed it.
666
00:34:00,471 --> 00:34:02,547
He died without leaving a will?
667
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:04,019
Yeah.
668
00:34:04,021 --> 00:34:06,497
Well, then it goes to
the public administrator.
669
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:08,910
What if they just don't find all of it?
670
00:34:08,912 --> 00:34:13,665
Well, then these partners
have an interesting dilemma.
671
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,594
A few years before the heist,
672
00:34:19,596 --> 00:34:21,972
I was up in the Bronx
for the Big Blackout.
673
00:34:23,747 --> 00:34:25,588
The looting was insane.
674
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:28,201
We were locking up people
left, right and center.
675
00:34:28,203 --> 00:34:31,952
Someone had broken the front window
676
00:34:31,954 --> 00:34:36,070
of a store that charged
the most ridiculous prices.
677
00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:40,526
I saw a lady my age,
with three little kids,
678
00:34:40,528 --> 00:34:43,004
carrying out a bag
full of diapers and groceries.
679
00:34:44,747 --> 00:34:47,860
I looked her straight in the eye...
680
00:34:47,862 --> 00:34:49,569
and I let her go.
681
00:34:49,571 --> 00:34:52,850
I made a judgment call.
682
00:34:52,852 --> 00:34:56,703
Every good cop's
got to be able to make one.
683
00:34:56,705 --> 00:34:59,784
Not that we're talking about
anything real here.
684
00:35:10,002 --> 00:35:11,272
You sure this is okay?
685
00:35:11,274 --> 00:35:13,751
The public administrators
are already done.
686
00:35:13,753 --> 00:35:15,258
You're the closest thing
to a family friend.
687
00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:17,267
We're just giving you
a chance to pick out
688
00:35:17,269 --> 00:35:19,445
some clothes for Harry, for the funeral.
689
00:35:19,447 --> 00:35:22,860
No one else is coming?
690
00:35:22,862 --> 00:35:24,904
He had no will, no heirs.
691
00:35:24,906 --> 00:35:27,081
Just the letter to you.
692
00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,353
So, we'll give you an hour.
693
00:35:28,355 --> 00:35:30,228
Whatever you leave behind
goes to the landlady
694
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:32,807
or the-the
clean-out company.
695
00:35:33,782 --> 00:35:38,870
Make sure you look everywhere...
The cupboards, the closets...
696
00:35:40,144 --> 00:35:42,955
under the bed.
697
00:35:56,254 --> 00:35:58,095
I'm still not sure about this.
698
00:35:58,097 --> 00:35:59,535
Public administrators
got most of the cash
699
00:35:59,537 --> 00:36:01,009
that was just lying around.
700
00:36:01,011 --> 00:36:02,013
We both know there's more.
701
00:36:02,015 --> 00:36:04,190
And no one's looking for it.
702
00:36:04,192 --> 00:36:06,032
Sandi needs that money
to keep her grandson
703
00:36:06,034 --> 00:36:07,206
in that special school.
704
00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:10,219
Just doesn't feel right.
705
00:36:10,221 --> 00:36:12,497
What if someone starts
asking questions later?
706
00:36:12,499 --> 00:36:16,952
Guess you'll have to decide
if you're gonna rat me out.
707
00:36:23,516 --> 00:36:27,735
I can't believe you had me
arrested on felony charges.
708
00:36:27,737 --> 00:36:29,443
Well, you knew where Jeffrey Durning was
709
00:36:29,445 --> 00:36:32,190
and you chose to mislead us
and protect him.
710
00:36:32,192 --> 00:36:34,199
The flaw in your argument
711
00:36:34,201 --> 00:36:35,672
is that there is no underlying crime.
712
00:36:35,674 --> 00:36:37,313
Really?
713
00:36:37,315 --> 00:36:39,156
I've given you proof.
714
00:36:39,158 --> 00:36:41,568
You mean that picture from Venezuela?
715
00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:44,347
It kind of blows the whole case
out of the water, Anthony,
716
00:36:44,349 --> 00:36:46,090
doesn't it?
One little problem.
717
00:36:46,092 --> 00:36:48,568
I just got off the phone
with the guy in the photo.
718
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:50,578
He's five-foot-six.
719
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:52,419
Beth was five-foot-ten.
720
00:36:52,421 --> 00:36:55,501
And in the photo,
she's looking up at him.
721
00:36:57,143 --> 00:36:59,185
How's a woman who's four inches taller
722
00:36:59,187 --> 00:37:00,759
appearing shorter?
723
00:37:04,813 --> 00:37:06,486
Obviously, it would be tough.
724
00:37:06,488 --> 00:37:08,461
I'd say.
725
00:37:08,463 --> 00:37:09,669
Doesn't mean I'm wrong about everything.
726
00:37:09,671 --> 00:37:11,543
You're just trying to neutralize me
727
00:37:11,545 --> 00:37:13,385
because you're afraid
the former prosecutor
728
00:37:13,387 --> 00:37:15,462
is gonna make Jeffrey's defense
a slam dunk.
729
00:37:15,464 --> 00:37:18,007
What about all the witnesses
Jeffrey intimidated?
730
00:37:18,009 --> 00:37:20,252
Their stories didn't hold up.
731
00:37:20,254 --> 00:37:22,696
Then why did Jeffrey go to
Mindy's apartment the other day
732
00:37:22,698 --> 00:37:23,800
and threaten her?
733
00:37:27,821 --> 00:37:30,533
He's worried the truth will come out.
734
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:34,687
I had no idea he'd done this.
735
00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:38,035
You let your ego get ahead
of the facts in this case,
736
00:37:38,037 --> 00:37:40,917
and you've been poisoning
the jury pool with your podcast.
737
00:37:40,919 --> 00:37:43,462
I thought I had a subject
who was innocent.
738
00:37:43,464 --> 00:37:44,768
Is it safe to say
739
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:46,744
that you could've
handled things differently?
740
00:37:49,725 --> 00:37:52,740
I'll give you what I have
on Jeffrey from my files.
741
00:38:00,946 --> 00:38:03,054
Bless us, Lord, in these thy gifts,
742
00:38:03,056 --> 00:38:05,164
which we are about to
receive from thy bounty
743
00:38:05,167 --> 00:38:07,039
through Christ our Lord. Amen.
744
00:38:07,041 --> 00:38:08,280
Amen.
745
00:38:08,332 --> 00:38:09,804
The prodigal son.
746
00:38:09,806 --> 00:38:11,678
Better late than never.
747
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,493
I texted Erin I was
running a little behind.
748
00:38:14,495 --> 00:38:15,497
He did.
749
00:38:15,499 --> 00:38:17,439
Where were you?
750
00:38:17,441 --> 00:38:18,612
Funeral.
751
00:38:18,614 --> 00:38:19,918
Whose?
752
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,291
Just a guy.
753
00:38:21,293 --> 00:38:22,898
You know him well?
754
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:24,005
No.
755
00:38:24,007 --> 00:38:25,779
Actually didn't know him at all.
756
00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:27,052
Turns out, nobody really did.
757
00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:28,795
What's that mean?
758
00:38:28,797 --> 00:38:30,468
Means he barely came out of his house
759
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:32,813
or spoke to anyone for 25 years,
and passed away
760
00:38:32,815 --> 00:38:34,521
without anyone really wondering
where he went.
761
00:38:34,523 --> 00:38:36,129
That may be one of the saddest
things I've ever heard.
762
00:38:36,131 --> 00:38:37,669
How deep did you dig?
763
00:38:37,671 --> 00:38:41,822
Just a few days sitting with
his stuff and waiting for
764
00:38:41,824 --> 00:38:43,698
the public administrators to show.
765
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,009
Did he have something to hide,
something he was hiding from?
766
00:38:46,011 --> 00:38:49,794
At least not under
any of the names that we had.
767
00:38:49,796 --> 00:38:51,803
Well, maybe he never got caught;
Couldn't forgive himself.
768
00:38:51,805 --> 00:38:53,511
Any more of this,
769
00:38:53,513 --> 00:38:55,788
and I'm gonna have to go back to church
770
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:57,631
and pray for his poor soul.
Right?
771
00:38:57,633 --> 00:38:58,970
So you actually went to the funeral
772
00:38:58,972 --> 00:39:00,243
for someone you never met?
773
00:39:01,248 --> 00:39:02,789
Yeah.
774
00:39:02,791 --> 00:39:04,966
Ever done that before?
775
00:39:04,968 --> 00:39:06,874
Nope. Just felt like I should.
776
00:39:06,876 --> 00:39:07,946
That's it?
777
00:39:11,597 --> 00:39:14,041
Yeah, kind of hard to explain.
778
00:39:14,043 --> 00:39:16,084
At least for me it is.
779
00:39:18,129 --> 00:39:20,606
Wow, you give this family
half an opportunity,
780
00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:23,052
and the questions just don't stop.
781
00:39:23,054 --> 00:39:24,759
Sorry I brought it up.
782
00:39:25,731 --> 00:39:28,913
Nicky, boys,
783
00:39:28,915 --> 00:39:31,726
you hear a lot of harsh stories
at this table.
784
00:39:31,728 --> 00:39:33,065
I don't think they're harsh.
785
00:39:33,067 --> 00:39:34,373
Cool, maybe.
786
00:39:34,375 --> 00:39:35,913
Okay, ear of the beholder.
787
00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:38,826
But if there's one thing
you need to take away
788
00:39:38,828 --> 00:39:41,304
from this table, I hope
it's that you don't have to be.
789
00:39:41,306 --> 00:39:44,052
Jamie's age, or Danny's or Erin's
790
00:39:44,054 --> 00:39:46,094
or mine or Pop's for that matter,
791
00:39:46,096 --> 00:39:49,444
to learn to show some grace
where it's needed.
792
00:39:49,446 --> 00:39:52,727
To save some grace for strangers even,
793
00:39:52,729 --> 00:39:56,075
who find themselves
without family or friends.
794
00:39:56,077 --> 00:39:59,758
Or whatever reason got them there.
795
00:40:00,530 --> 00:40:02,439
Will do.
Me, too.
796
00:40:02,441 --> 00:40:04,147
I'll try.
797
00:40:04,968 --> 00:40:08,852
I'd like to think
the reward is in the attempt.
798
00:40:08,854 --> 00:40:10,594
Well, the good news is,
799
00:40:10,596 --> 00:40:13,005
none of us is ever gonna end up alone.
800
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,962
Not while another one
of us is still standing.
801
00:40:18,884 --> 00:40:20,390
And again, amen.
802
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,205
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