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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,488 --> 00:00:31,462 Okay, this is it. 2 00:00:31,464 --> 00:00:33,439 We're broadcasting on WQTI, 3 00:00:33,441 --> 00:00:36,487 streaming on WQTI.org. 4 00:00:36,489 --> 00:00:39,903 The name of our live podcast is Justice Denied. 5 00:00:39,905 --> 00:00:42,046 Our guest is Jeffrey Durning, 6 00:00:42,048 --> 00:00:44,291 distinguished heart surgeon, philanthropist, 7 00:00:44,293 --> 00:00:47,437 and defendant in one of the most sensational murder trials 8 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:48,544 of the decade. 9 00:00:48,546 --> 00:00:51,491 Thank you for having me on, Kathy. 10 00:00:51,493 --> 00:00:53,065 Please, give me a break. 11 00:00:53,068 --> 00:00:55,141 You know they can't hear you, right? 12 00:00:55,410 --> 00:00:57,219 I must admit, I feel a little strange. 13 00:00:57,221 --> 00:01:01,572 The last time we saw each other was a year ago in the courtroom 14 00:01:01,574 --> 00:01:04,183 when I was prosecuting you for killing your wife Beth. 15 00:01:04,185 --> 00:01:06,027 I'm glad you had the courage to re-examine 16 00:01:06,029 --> 00:01:08,002 the evidence and come to a more honest conclusion, 17 00:01:08,004 --> 00:01:09,443 which is more than I can say 18 00:01:09,445 --> 00:01:10,515 for some of your former colleagues. 19 00:01:10,517 --> 00:01:11,956 Yeah, well, if he's so honest, 20 00:01:11,958 --> 00:01:13,395 how come you're hiding from us, 21 00:01:13,397 --> 00:01:16,610 and telling your story on the air instead of in a courtroom? 22 00:01:16,612 --> 00:01:18,552 The first trial ended in a hung jury, 23 00:01:18,554 --> 00:01:22,437 the Manhattan D.A.'s office is coming after you again? 24 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:27,060 And you dumped her body from a plane over the Atlantic? 25 00:01:27,062 --> 00:01:28,567 Obviously, the office has had a series 26 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:30,575 of high-profile disasters. 27 00:01:30,577 --> 00:01:31,682 They're looking for a rich, white man's scalp 28 00:01:31,684 --> 00:01:32,820 to make up for them. 29 00:01:32,822 --> 00:01:34,797 Of course, now we have my old friend 30 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,175 Erin Reagan saying she has new evidence, 31 00:01:37,177 --> 00:01:38,715 but like your wife's body, no one has seen it. 32 00:01:38,717 --> 00:01:41,361 Police! Come on, out of the way. 33 00:01:41,363 --> 00:01:42,836 Move! Get out of the way. 34 00:01:42,838 --> 00:01:44,476 It looks like 35 00:01:44,478 --> 00:01:45,748 we have some surprise guests joining us. 36 00:01:45,750 --> 00:01:47,658 We're gonna take a break. 37 00:01:52,179 --> 00:01:53,686 Where is he? 38 00:01:53,688 --> 00:01:56,567 Obviously not on the premises. 39 00:02:04,908 --> 00:02:06,916 My God, I hate these things! 40 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:09,830 Aren't they supposed to shut off after three minutes? 41 00:02:09,832 --> 00:02:11,706 It's an older model; I guess the guy didn't get the message. 42 00:02:11,708 --> 00:02:15,356 Or that he needs to move the car for street cleaning. 43 00:02:15,358 --> 00:02:16,796 How long has it been here? 44 00:02:16,798 --> 00:02:18,706 A couple days at least, right? 45 00:02:18,708 --> 00:02:19,744 Excuse me, ma'am! 46 00:02:21,554 --> 00:02:23,359 You know whose car this is? 47 00:02:23,361 --> 00:02:25,002 Hey, handsome. 48 00:02:25,004 --> 00:02:26,575 What's it worth to you? 49 00:02:26,577 --> 00:02:31,701 Well... My tenant, Harry Clark. 50 00:02:31,703 --> 00:02:34,012 I keep telling him he needs a new car. 51 00:02:34,014 --> 00:02:36,657 I know he can afford it. 52 00:02:36,659 --> 00:02:38,366 Would you have him come down? 53 00:02:38,368 --> 00:02:40,910 I would, if I'd seen him lately. 54 00:02:43,056 --> 00:02:46,470 Ma'am, do you notice that smell inside your apartment? 55 00:02:46,472 --> 00:02:48,647 No. 56 00:02:48,649 --> 00:02:50,423 But my nose stopped working years ago. 57 00:02:50,425 --> 00:02:52,062 Too much fun in the '70s. 58 00:02:52,064 --> 00:02:53,604 You know what I'm saying. 59 00:02:53,606 --> 00:02:55,112 Come we come take a look? 60 00:02:55,114 --> 00:02:57,891 Sure. Come on in. 61 00:03:04,961 --> 00:03:07,035 Ma'am, can you please wait outside? 62 00:03:19,327 --> 00:03:21,973 Eddie, he's in here. 63 00:03:21,975 --> 00:03:24,015 He's ripe. 64 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:32,321 It's been a few days? 65 00:03:34,701 --> 00:03:35,905 Poor Harry. 66 00:03:35,907 --> 00:03:38,049 Ma'am, I asked you to wait outside. 67 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:39,389 Is this Harry Clark, ma'am? 68 00:03:39,391 --> 00:03:41,097 Yeah. 69 00:03:41,099 --> 00:03:43,240 Although, come to think of it, 70 00:03:43,242 --> 00:03:45,183 I'm not sure that's his real name. 71 00:03:45,185 --> 00:03:47,258 What do you mean? 72 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:49,269 I never saw a bank check with his name on it. 73 00:03:49,271 --> 00:03:51,143 Always paid the rent in cash. 74 00:03:51,145 --> 00:03:53,824 And some of his mail came with different names on it. 75 00:03:53,826 --> 00:03:56,067 Do you have a next of kin we can contact? 76 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:58,211 No. No one ever visited him. 77 00:03:58,213 --> 00:04:01,426 Eddie, see if you can find some Vicks. 78 00:04:01,428 --> 00:04:03,000 The smell's starting to get to me. 79 00:04:03,002 --> 00:04:04,776 I may have some. Thank you, ma'am. 80 00:04:04,778 --> 00:04:06,182 We're all set, thank you. 81 00:04:06,184 --> 00:04:08,493 Well, if you need me for anything, just call me. 82 00:04:08,495 --> 00:04:10,503 And, you, just call me. 83 00:04:10,505 --> 00:04:11,575 Okay. 84 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:35,589 Good to see you, Nick. You're looking well. 85 00:04:35,591 --> 00:04:38,067 Thank you. You, too. 86 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:39,239 Thanks for this. 87 00:04:39,241 --> 00:04:40,445 Yeah. 88 00:04:40,447 --> 00:04:41,550 How's the family? 89 00:04:41,552 --> 00:04:42,723 Good. 90 00:04:42,725 --> 00:04:45,335 Yours? Grown up and out. 91 00:04:45,337 --> 00:04:48,550 Your son, kind of a hothead, whatever happened to him? 92 00:04:48,552 --> 00:04:50,627 Detective, first grade. 93 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:53,005 And the other one, going to Harvard? 94 00:04:53,007 --> 00:04:54,377 On the job as well, 95 00:04:54,379 --> 00:04:56,755 and my daughter Erin works for the D.A.'s office. 96 00:04:56,757 --> 00:05:00,139 It's nice having a family business? 97 00:05:01,110 --> 00:05:03,521 It is. 98 00:05:03,523 --> 00:05:06,804 You know, Frank, when I heard that you got your father's job, 99 00:05:06,806 --> 00:05:09,282 I was happy to hear that. 100 00:05:09,284 --> 00:05:10,823 They gave it to the right man. 101 00:05:10,825 --> 00:05:13,804 Thank you. 102 00:05:13,806 --> 00:05:15,110 Tyrell Dawes, come on in. 103 00:05:20,402 --> 00:05:22,745 Sit down. 104 00:05:37,349 --> 00:05:39,258 You know why you're here? 105 00:05:39,260 --> 00:05:41,234 My parole officer said I should come by here, 106 00:05:41,236 --> 00:05:43,378 but I didn't have to by law. 107 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:45,286 This is your Offender Notification Forum. 108 00:05:45,289 --> 00:05:47,898 We hold them for people who just got out of prison 109 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:49,608 with a high risk of going back. 110 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,415 Come on, man, what do you got, a crystal ball? 111 00:05:51,417 --> 00:05:53,324 You're a gang member who just did three and a half 112 00:05:53,326 --> 00:05:54,798 for committing a robbery with a handgun 113 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,842 in New York City. 114 00:06:01,734 --> 00:06:05,850 What do you got, an extra eight-by-ten for my moms? 115 00:06:05,852 --> 00:06:07,592 Turn it over. 116 00:06:10,038 --> 00:06:12,047 What's "15" mean? 117 00:06:12,049 --> 00:06:13,889 That's the number of years you'll do 118 00:06:13,891 --> 00:06:16,401 if you commit another crime with a gun. 119 00:06:16,403 --> 00:06:17,673 And that's a hard number; 120 00:06:17,675 --> 00:06:20,051 There won't be any pleading it down. 121 00:06:20,053 --> 00:06:22,898 It's up to you, Tyrell. 122 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:24,841 None of y'all know me. 123 00:06:24,843 --> 00:06:27,118 None of y'all know where I been or where I'm going. 124 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,492 Yeah, we do. 125 00:06:28,494 --> 00:06:30,802 You want to tell him or should I? 126 00:06:30,804 --> 00:06:32,643 May I? 127 00:06:34,755 --> 00:06:36,998 I am here for the same reason that you are, 128 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,940 because the commissioner asked me to be here, 129 00:06:38,942 --> 00:06:42,894 and because I just finished a 20-year bid of my own 130 00:06:42,896 --> 00:06:44,600 in the state prison. 131 00:06:44,602 --> 00:06:46,610 I could still be in that prison. 132 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:50,228 I killed someone who threatened my family. 133 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:51,901 Commissioner Reagan, who at that time 134 00:06:51,903 --> 00:06:55,620 was Detective Reagan, he could've buried me. 135 00:06:55,622 --> 00:06:57,630 But he didn't. 136 00:06:57,632 --> 00:06:59,135 He gave me a fair shake. 137 00:06:59,137 --> 00:07:01,984 So... I'd listen to him. 138 00:07:08,281 --> 00:07:09,988 Man, is this real? 139 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:12,065 Every word. 140 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,912 Look at this. 141 00:07:37,922 --> 00:07:39,796 They're all $100 bills. 142 00:07:39,798 --> 00:07:42,410 There's got to be tens of thousands of dollars in here. 143 00:07:42,412 --> 00:07:44,318 Eddie, I wouldn't be touching that. 144 00:07:46,831 --> 00:07:48,470 "Dear Sandi, I am so sorry about everything. 145 00:07:48,472 --> 00:07:51,083 Maybe the rest of this money will help." 146 00:07:51,085 --> 00:07:53,260 What's he got to be sorry for? 147 00:07:53,262 --> 00:07:55,338 Yeah, and who was he? 148 00:08:26,084 --> 00:08:28,127 What do we got? 149 00:08:28,129 --> 00:08:30,505 Four wounded. One serious and likely to die. 150 00:08:30,507 --> 00:08:32,379 Shootout inside the diner. 151 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:34,456 One of the rounds went through the front window. 152 00:08:34,458 --> 00:08:37,335 The likely is an Alex Kalamogdartis. 153 00:08:37,337 --> 00:08:38,341 Kala-what? 154 00:08:38,343 --> 00:08:39,580 I don't know, it's Greek. 155 00:08:39,582 --> 00:08:41,355 Okay, what about the other three vics? 156 00:08:41,357 --> 00:08:45,408 And the third was a 12-year-old boy walking by outside 157 00:08:45,410 --> 00:08:46,681 with his family. 158 00:08:46,683 --> 00:08:51,236 Okay, so we got a gang war at a greasy spoon. Any witnesses? 159 00:08:51,238 --> 00:08:53,346 Well, no one's talking about why it jumped off tonight. 160 00:08:53,348 --> 00:08:55,422 We do know this Alex may have had a dispute. 161 00:08:55,424 --> 00:08:58,202 Any actual witnesses to the shooting? 162 00:08:58,204 --> 00:08:59,543 Not so much. Hey, boss. 163 00:08:59,545 --> 00:09:01,586 Everyone's saying how it was too dark to see anything. 164 00:09:01,588 --> 00:09:02,790 Too dark in a brightly lit diner? 165 00:09:02,792 --> 00:09:04,566 Well, they've been renting it out 166 00:09:04,568 --> 00:09:05,939 as pop-up nightclub sometimes. 167 00:09:05,941 --> 00:09:07,513 The current owner is over there, 168 00:09:07,515 --> 00:09:09,657 Stavros Constantine. 169 00:09:09,659 --> 00:09:11,733 Hey, Stavros. 170 00:09:11,735 --> 00:09:14,814 Hey! Want to tell us what this is about? 171 00:09:14,816 --> 00:09:16,624 I mean, I have no idea. 172 00:09:16,626 --> 00:09:19,536 We've never had any trouble on club nights before. 173 00:09:19,538 --> 00:09:22,551 Well, can't imagine people shooting your place up 174 00:09:22,553 --> 00:09:24,662 if all you're doing is serving moussaka. 175 00:09:24,664 --> 00:09:25,867 Listen, I'm as confused as you are, okay? 176 00:09:25,869 --> 00:09:29,350 Making sure we got enough champagne for bottle service, 177 00:09:29,352 --> 00:09:32,597 bang, bang, bang, it's all hell is breaking loose. 178 00:09:32,599 --> 00:09:34,341 So you're trying to tell us 179 00:09:34,343 --> 00:09:35,780 you don't know anything about this Alex Kala-what? 180 00:09:35,782 --> 00:09:37,387 Mogdartis. 181 00:09:37,389 --> 00:09:38,828 Kalamogdartis. Yeah, yeah, of course. 182 00:09:38,830 --> 00:09:40,839 Of course I know Alex Kalamogdartis. 183 00:09:40,841 --> 00:09:42,848 It's like the Trojan War with our families. 184 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:44,053 What's that mean? 185 00:09:44,055 --> 00:09:45,661 He's been trying to take over our diner. 186 00:09:45,663 --> 00:09:49,647 To a lot of local businesses; He's a thug. 187 00:09:49,649 --> 00:09:50,886 And you have no idea who shot him. 188 00:09:50,888 --> 00:09:52,796 I'm afraid I-I can't help you. 189 00:09:52,798 --> 00:09:54,203 Can't or won't? 190 00:09:54,205 --> 00:09:55,642 Okay, well, we're gonna assume 191 00:09:55,644 --> 00:09:57,082 that you don't have a cabaret license 192 00:09:57,084 --> 00:09:58,455 for this little nightclub of yours, 193 00:09:58,457 --> 00:09:59,795 so here's what we're gonna do. 194 00:09:59,797 --> 00:10:01,134 You're gonna get your hands out of your pocket, 195 00:10:01,136 --> 00:10:02,708 and then you're gonna take a ride with us. 196 00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:04,786 See if that jogs your memory. Come on. 197 00:10:10,881 --> 00:10:12,789 So what? 198 00:10:12,791 --> 00:10:14,297 Now that the supervisors have been and gone, 199 00:10:14,299 --> 00:10:16,039 we just have to sit here, 200 00:10:16,041 --> 00:10:18,584 safeguard the place until the public administrator 201 00:10:18,586 --> 00:10:22,335 comes and starts to try to make inventory of all this? 202 00:10:23,274 --> 00:10:24,981 Real-life police work, Eddie. 203 00:10:24,983 --> 00:10:26,890 It's not all paperwork and donuts. 204 00:10:29,069 --> 00:10:31,847 You know, we turned over a lot of money yesterday, 205 00:10:31,849 --> 00:10:33,923 and there's still no next of kin. 206 00:10:33,925 --> 00:10:36,402 Some of this junk lying around might be worth something. 207 00:10:36,404 --> 00:10:39,015 Bosses just want us to keep an eye on it 208 00:10:39,017 --> 00:10:41,393 till things get settled. 209 00:10:41,395 --> 00:10:44,876 Yeah, well, hey, can we open a window, please? 210 00:10:44,878 --> 00:10:46,349 The guy's gone, but that stink is 211 00:10:46,351 --> 00:10:48,426 very much still here. 212 00:10:52,848 --> 00:10:55,057 You know, 213 00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:57,402 Harry must have been hiding from something. 214 00:10:57,404 --> 00:11:00,181 Or someone. 215 00:11:00,183 --> 00:11:02,794 Sounds like he's been locked up in this apartment 216 00:11:02,796 --> 00:11:04,100 the last 25 years. 217 00:11:07,517 --> 00:11:09,057 Hey, Jamie, do you remember 218 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:12,138 the New York Benefactors' Trust robbery? 219 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:14,884 1992, $21 million stolen. 220 00:11:14,886 --> 00:11:16,325 Yeah, biggest heist in the city's history. 221 00:11:16,327 --> 00:11:18,402 Most of it never recovered. 222 00:11:20,881 --> 00:11:24,229 Keep finding all these clippings that Harry kept about it. 223 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:29,420 Jamie, you don't think... 224 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:50,018 Should we order first or argue first? 225 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:52,061 I'm happy to get business out of the way. 226 00:11:52,063 --> 00:11:54,206 We have an arrest warrant for Jeffrey Durning, 227 00:11:54,208 --> 00:11:55,644 and I want to know where he is. 228 00:11:55,646 --> 00:11:57,488 What if I told you I don't know? 229 00:11:57,490 --> 00:11:59,095 Except that he's somewhere in Europe. 230 00:11:59,097 --> 00:12:00,702 I wouldn't believe you. 231 00:12:00,704 --> 00:12:02,377 This isn't about me. 232 00:12:02,379 --> 00:12:04,253 It's about the facts of the case. 233 00:12:04,255 --> 00:12:06,163 Right after the trial, 234 00:12:06,165 --> 00:12:11,186 I started hearing from witnesses that Beth might still be alive. 235 00:12:11,188 --> 00:12:13,397 She was a very unstable woman, Erin. 236 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:15,338 We are going to retry this case. 237 00:12:15,340 --> 00:12:17,348 We just need him back in custody. 238 00:12:17,350 --> 00:12:20,464 Obviously, you're worried about losing this case 239 00:12:20,466 --> 00:12:22,539 in a court of public opinion before it goes to trial. 240 00:12:22,541 --> 00:12:23,880 If you have new evidence, 241 00:12:23,882 --> 00:12:25,687 why don't you come on my show to talk about it? 242 00:12:25,689 --> 00:12:28,400 How about this? 243 00:12:28,402 --> 00:12:30,946 I have you subpoenaed and brought before the grand jury, 244 00:12:30,948 --> 00:12:33,291 and if you don't answer the questions, I will ask the judge 245 00:12:33,293 --> 00:12:34,596 to hold you in contempt. 246 00:12:34,598 --> 00:12:35,870 You'll never win. 247 00:12:35,872 --> 00:12:37,277 Classic First Amendment case. 248 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,586 But I don't have to tell you that, do I? 249 00:12:44,479 --> 00:12:45,984 Good luck, Erin. 250 00:12:45,986 --> 00:12:49,501 I guess I wasn't all that hungry anyway. 251 00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:50,874 But maybe you are. 252 00:13:08,893 --> 00:13:11,673 You weren't 100% honest with us last night, were you? 253 00:13:11,675 --> 00:13:13,682 What do you mean? 254 00:13:13,684 --> 00:13:16,864 Breakfast, lunch and dinner on the menu. 255 00:13:16,866 --> 00:13:18,104 Alex K is a known drug dealer. 256 00:13:18,106 --> 00:13:19,711 He came to your place with a beef. 257 00:13:19,713 --> 00:13:24,031 That if we bring the dogs in, they're not gonna find anything? 258 00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:25,639 I'm no drug dealer. 259 00:13:25,641 --> 00:13:29,691 Okay, well, maybe you wouldn't let him sell drugs in your club, 260 00:13:29,693 --> 00:13:31,467 and that's why he had a beef. 261 00:13:32,774 --> 00:13:34,714 Come on, help me understand here. 262 00:13:40,678 --> 00:13:42,787 Finally got a couple of witness statements 263 00:13:42,789 --> 00:13:45,767 and a photo from a parking lot camera. 264 00:13:50,793 --> 00:13:52,935 Good work. 265 00:13:54,578 --> 00:13:56,283 What's up? 266 00:13:56,285 --> 00:13:59,802 You know, I'm thinking, if you didn't fire the shots, 267 00:13:59,804 --> 00:14:01,944 then you definitely know who did. 268 00:14:01,946 --> 00:14:03,016 Who's this? 269 00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:07,705 I don't know. 270 00:14:07,707 --> 00:14:09,045 You want to keep your business? 271 00:14:09,047 --> 00:14:11,959 And give me an honest answer this time. 272 00:14:11,961 --> 00:14:14,002 Come on. 273 00:14:14,004 --> 00:14:16,046 Come on! Who is it?! 274 00:14:21,974 --> 00:14:24,183 It's my father. 275 00:14:30,114 --> 00:14:31,418 Nick Constantine 276 00:14:31,420 --> 00:14:33,863 is hardly a friend; I arrested him once. 277 00:14:33,865 --> 00:14:34,869 Not just that. 278 00:14:34,871 --> 00:14:36,140 Your testimony at his trial... 279 00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:38,151 Was entirely truthful. 280 00:14:38,153 --> 00:14:39,121 And helpful to the defense. 281 00:14:39,123 --> 00:14:41,063 And now that same person 282 00:14:41,065 --> 00:14:43,877 was present, arguably with motive, at the scene 283 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:45,184 of a shooting and can't be found. 284 00:14:45,186 --> 00:14:47,863 We give him a head start? No, boss. 285 00:14:47,865 --> 00:14:49,270 Then what's your point? 286 00:14:49,272 --> 00:14:51,882 That old media has handed down the perception 287 00:14:51,884 --> 00:14:54,093 that you pulled punches when you testified at his trial. 288 00:14:54,095 --> 00:14:56,268 And two days ago, he was at your side 289 00:14:56,270 --> 00:14:58,111 at an Offender's Notification Forum 290 00:14:58,113 --> 00:15:00,020 in the role of model ex-con. 291 00:15:00,022 --> 00:15:01,662 I tell you what, you manage the perception, 292 00:15:01,664 --> 00:15:03,168 I'll manage my department. 293 00:15:03,170 --> 00:15:05,245 Less than a month ago, you came out strong 294 00:15:05,247 --> 00:15:06,585 against the mayor's Fresh Start program. 295 00:15:06,587 --> 00:15:07,590 This isn't that. 296 00:15:07,592 --> 00:15:10,236 Not your call, all due respect. 297 00:15:10,238 --> 00:15:13,619 That you've put your eggs in the Nick Constantine basket. 298 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:16,365 A man does a wrong thing once in his life, 299 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:18,040 in this case, for the right reason. 300 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:22,360 That believes that there can, in fact, be a chance 301 00:15:22,362 --> 00:15:24,436 for a second act in people's lives. 302 00:15:26,213 --> 00:15:27,586 Any idea where he's headed? 303 00:15:27,588 --> 00:15:30,399 We're tracking friends, cell records and credit cards, 304 00:15:30,401 --> 00:15:31,704 but after 20 years, 305 00:15:31,706 --> 00:15:34,082 he doesn't have that much of a network to plug into. 306 00:15:34,084 --> 00:15:35,489 Which means he can't be that far. 307 00:15:35,491 --> 00:15:36,661 Let's make it clear 308 00:15:36,663 --> 00:15:38,369 that we're devoting all our resources 309 00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:40,847 to hunting him down and making sure he pays. 310 00:15:40,849 --> 00:15:43,018 In other words, grandstand before all the facts are in. 311 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:46,240 Is he even the prime suspect? 312 00:15:46,242 --> 00:15:49,155 Well, he's more than a person of interest. 313 00:15:49,157 --> 00:15:51,733 Then let's just find him. 314 00:15:57,930 --> 00:16:01,613 Yeah. Yeah, thanks. 315 00:16:01,615 --> 00:16:03,523 Public administrator's gonna be another day. 316 00:16:03,525 --> 00:16:05,197 They are backed up and understaffed. 317 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:07,842 Well, Jamie, I just found more cash. 318 00:16:07,844 --> 00:16:09,483 Shouldn't we tell 319 00:16:09,485 --> 00:16:10,791 major case this could all be connected 320 00:16:10,793 --> 00:16:12,331 to that bank robbery? 321 00:16:12,333 --> 00:16:13,604 I already put a call in. 322 00:16:13,606 --> 00:16:15,410 It's no longer an active investigation. 323 00:16:15,412 --> 00:16:16,986 All the robbers are either 324 00:16:16,988 --> 00:16:18,593 dead or in prison, and the bank went under. 325 00:16:18,595 --> 00:16:21,976 We got no reason to think that Harry was involved 326 00:16:21,978 --> 00:16:23,450 other than the clippings. 327 00:16:23,452 --> 00:16:24,922 This cash could be legitimate. 328 00:16:24,924 --> 00:16:26,631 Well, then where did all the money come from? 329 00:16:26,633 --> 00:16:27,972 Doesn't look like this guy's had a job 330 00:16:27,974 --> 00:16:29,779 in a really long time. 331 00:16:29,781 --> 00:16:32,660 And why all this dog stuff and no dog? 332 00:16:32,662 --> 00:16:35,675 Hey, we just walked in your apartment, what would we find? 333 00:16:35,677 --> 00:16:37,584 Some laundry that needs to be folded, 334 00:16:37,586 --> 00:16:40,465 couple unpaid bills, maybe something in the DVD player 335 00:16:40,467 --> 00:16:41,769 I'd rather nobody find out. 336 00:16:41,771 --> 00:16:42,843 Really? 337 00:16:42,845 --> 00:16:44,752 The Little Mermaid. 338 00:16:45,758 --> 00:16:47,766 Jamie, I don't know. 339 00:16:47,768 --> 00:16:50,478 Part of me thinks this could be an integrity test by IAB 340 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,785 to see what we would actually do. 341 00:16:51,787 --> 00:16:53,659 Do you know how crazy that sounds? 342 00:16:59,723 --> 00:17:01,096 Can I help you? 343 00:17:01,098 --> 00:17:03,205 Officer Jamie Reagan? 344 00:17:03,207 --> 00:17:06,689 You left a message for me. 345 00:17:06,691 --> 00:17:07,794 About Harry Clark. 346 00:17:07,796 --> 00:17:09,535 I'm Sandi Harper. 347 00:17:09,537 --> 00:17:11,779 This is my grandson, David. 348 00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:13,788 You knew him? He was a friend? 349 00:17:13,790 --> 00:17:15,732 I knew him. 350 00:17:15,734 --> 00:17:19,214 I wouldn't say he was a friend exactly. 351 00:17:19,216 --> 00:17:21,325 He just sent me money. 352 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:27,822 Mindy, I don't know what this is. 353 00:17:27,824 --> 00:17:30,200 You gave us a statement that Jeffrey told you 354 00:17:30,202 --> 00:17:33,047 and now you're just trying to take it back? 355 00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:38,305 Jeffrey came to visit me the other night. 356 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:40,047 At my apartment. 357 00:17:40,049 --> 00:17:41,353 He's still in town? 358 00:17:41,355 --> 00:17:42,894 He heard that I was helping you 359 00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:45,372 and telling you the things that he said about Beth 360 00:17:45,374 --> 00:17:46,913 and how she disappeared. 361 00:17:46,915 --> 00:17:48,854 Did he say how he heard? 362 00:17:48,856 --> 00:17:52,071 It sounded like he had a source that knew people at this office. 363 00:17:55,019 --> 00:17:57,998 He said that I could disappear, too. 364 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,171 Just like Beth. 365 00:17:59,173 --> 00:18:01,081 He directly threatened you? 366 00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:03,894 He made it clear that it wouldn't be good for me. 367 00:18:03,896 --> 00:18:05,367 He called me his little shark bait. 368 00:18:05,369 --> 00:18:07,075 Like it was a joke. 369 00:18:07,077 --> 00:18:09,319 And then he left. 370 00:18:09,321 --> 00:18:12,099 He thinks you guys will never find him. 371 00:18:12,101 --> 00:18:15,984 I understand you're scared, but we need your testimony. 372 00:18:15,986 --> 00:18:18,429 Otherwise, he's gonna go out and do this to someone else. 373 00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:21,310 Seriously? Like this is my fault? 374 00:18:22,585 --> 00:18:24,357 I tried to tell you people about this before, 375 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,430 and you wouldn't believe me. 376 00:18:25,432 --> 00:18:27,941 You tried to tell who? 377 00:18:27,943 --> 00:18:30,922 The prosecutor who had this case before you. 378 00:18:30,924 --> 00:18:32,596 Kathy Elliott. 379 00:18:40,234 --> 00:18:42,343 Traffic camera last spotted Nick's car 380 00:18:42,345 --> 00:18:44,186 at this intersection. 381 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:48,171 You see anything yet? 382 00:18:48,173 --> 00:18:50,013 This is it. 383 00:18:50,015 --> 00:18:51,487 This is the car Nick was driving. 384 00:18:51,489 --> 00:18:54,367 He could be hiding out, and he chooses a diner? 385 00:18:54,369 --> 00:18:56,007 Well, it makes sense. 386 00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:57,347 He's probably hungry, doesn't have a lot of cash. 387 00:18:57,349 --> 00:19:00,361 Like a married guy who divorces his wife, 388 00:19:00,363 --> 00:19:02,337 then marries the same kind of girl. 389 00:19:02,339 --> 00:19:03,744 Shouldn't we call it in 390 00:19:03,746 --> 00:19:05,318 and wait for backup? No. 391 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,488 We're not gonna let him run out on the check this time. 392 00:19:23,339 --> 00:19:25,648 You go that way. 393 00:19:26,687 --> 00:19:29,232 Excuse me. I need you to follow me. 394 00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:31,944 Nick Constantine. 395 00:19:33,219 --> 00:19:35,462 How the hell you been? 396 00:19:36,434 --> 00:19:37,773 Remind me. 397 00:19:37,775 --> 00:19:38,945 Danny Reagan. 398 00:19:39,984 --> 00:19:41,489 Think you know my old man. 399 00:19:41,491 --> 00:19:45,308 Right, Danny. 400 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:46,482 The hothead. 401 00:19:46,484 --> 00:19:47,486 How you doing? 402 00:19:47,488 --> 00:19:49,495 Maybe we should talk outside. 403 00:19:49,497 --> 00:19:52,309 Why would I do that? 404 00:19:52,311 --> 00:19:54,285 Everybody out of the diner. Let's go. 405 00:19:55,592 --> 00:19:56,864 Let's go. Come on. Come on. 406 00:20:09,659 --> 00:20:13,041 You know, Danny, at my age... 407 00:20:15,016 --> 00:20:17,627 I'm not going back to prison. 408 00:20:17,629 --> 00:20:20,108 We can do this the hard way if you want. 409 00:20:20,110 --> 00:20:21,815 But I think you might've caused 410 00:20:21,817 --> 00:20:24,126 enough pain for your family already. 411 00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:37,792 If... if I come with you, quietly... 412 00:20:37,794 --> 00:20:39,868 it's on one condition. 413 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:41,644 I'm listening. 414 00:20:41,646 --> 00:20:44,958 I talk to Frank. 415 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,968 Nobody else. 416 00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:48,708 Just Frank. 417 00:20:50,686 --> 00:20:52,327 I'll see what I could do. 418 00:21:05,222 --> 00:21:07,699 What's the old man doing? 419 00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:09,240 Talk to him. 420 00:21:21,298 --> 00:21:24,412 I got word your suspect wanted to speak to me. 421 00:21:24,414 --> 00:21:26,321 Yeah, he asked. 422 00:21:26,323 --> 00:21:28,063 And I didn't say yes. 423 00:21:28,065 --> 00:21:30,039 Why not? 424 00:21:30,041 --> 00:21:32,383 I don't typically offer up the commissioner's time 425 00:21:32,385 --> 00:21:33,924 as part of my deals. 426 00:21:33,926 --> 00:21:36,906 I'd like to make an exception in this instance. 427 00:21:36,908 --> 00:21:39,184 Well, since when do you come down here 428 00:21:39,186 --> 00:21:40,824 because a suspect asked you to? 429 00:21:40,826 --> 00:21:44,140 Can't think of the last time I did. 430 00:21:44,142 --> 00:21:48,058 Look, I know he's your collar, 431 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:51,608 and you certainly don't need my help, Detective. 432 00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:53,886 You're as good as I got, but... 433 00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:58,305 he was my collar first. 434 00:22:01,256 --> 00:22:02,995 I have to know. 435 00:22:02,997 --> 00:22:05,506 Well, he's in the box. 436 00:22:05,508 --> 00:22:09,560 It might be better if I talked to him in here. 437 00:22:11,304 --> 00:22:13,044 Okay. 438 00:22:13,046 --> 00:22:14,215 Thank you. 439 00:22:14,217 --> 00:22:16,593 By the way, the gun we found on him 440 00:22:16,595 --> 00:22:18,972 does match the one used in the murder. 441 00:22:39,203 --> 00:22:42,551 The coffee at our diner used to be the best coffee in the city. 442 00:22:42,553 --> 00:22:44,560 There's no chain places, 443 00:22:44,562 --> 00:22:47,440 one supplier for all of the diners in town. 444 00:22:47,442 --> 00:22:50,220 No special bean that comes out of a cat's ass. 445 00:22:50,222 --> 00:22:52,765 I didn't come down here to reminisce about coffee. 446 00:22:54,543 --> 00:22:57,655 Alex Kalamogdartis. 447 00:22:57,657 --> 00:22:59,900 He was not a nice young man, Frank. 448 00:22:59,902 --> 00:23:03,183 Well, he died this morning. 449 00:23:04,589 --> 00:23:06,229 And "not nice" is not grounds 450 00:23:06,231 --> 00:23:08,339 for a justifiable homicide, Nick. 451 00:23:08,341 --> 00:23:12,525 Come on, the kid had a record as long as the old man. 452 00:23:12,527 --> 00:23:13,865 I know that. 453 00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:15,240 Tell me what happened. 454 00:23:15,242 --> 00:23:16,612 I got nothing to tell. 455 00:23:16,614 --> 00:23:18,253 I'm at my family restaurant, 456 00:23:18,255 --> 00:23:19,826 celebrating my freedom. 457 00:23:19,828 --> 00:23:21,569 In walks the kid. 458 00:23:21,571 --> 00:23:23,042 Hot and bothered, stirring up trouble. 459 00:23:23,044 --> 00:23:24,818 Just like his old man. 460 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:26,860 Next thing I know, bodies are falling. 461 00:23:26,862 --> 00:23:28,434 Who fired the shots? 462 00:23:28,436 --> 00:23:30,344 I don't know; It was dark, it was crowded, 463 00:23:30,346 --> 00:23:31,849 music was loud. 464 00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:34,664 Why do we have 465 00:23:34,666 --> 00:23:37,879 this picture of you leaving with the gun? 466 00:23:40,895 --> 00:23:42,401 I wasn't thinking, Frank. 467 00:23:42,403 --> 00:23:44,378 I panicked when I saw the gun on the floor. 468 00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:46,889 All I could think was I got to get it out of here. 469 00:23:46,891 --> 00:23:50,138 You got a problem, or does the problem have you? 470 00:23:51,646 --> 00:23:53,855 You trying to cover for somebody? 471 00:23:53,857 --> 00:23:56,837 Like, maybe you got used to life inside, 472 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:58,008 had it wired pretty good. 473 00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:59,147 You're dead wrong. 474 00:23:59,149 --> 00:24:00,823 I'm not covering for anybody. 475 00:24:00,825 --> 00:24:02,897 Right, and you have no idea who the shooter was 476 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:04,774 in your own restaurant, with your own people around. 477 00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,147 Nobody saw nothing. 478 00:24:10,236 --> 00:24:12,646 Where was your boy when this happened? 479 00:24:12,648 --> 00:24:14,017 In the back. 480 00:24:14,019 --> 00:24:16,596 Who with? I don't know. 481 00:24:16,598 --> 00:24:20,615 I gave you the benefit of the doubt once. 482 00:24:20,617 --> 00:24:22,258 You owe me the truth. 483 00:24:24,234 --> 00:24:27,951 I paid my debt to the State of New York. 484 00:24:27,953 --> 00:24:29,994 20 years. 485 00:24:29,996 --> 00:24:33,845 I gave it 20 years of my life. 486 00:24:33,847 --> 00:24:36,357 I don't owe anybody anything else. 487 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,773 Not good enough. 488 00:24:39,775 --> 00:24:41,046 Start over. 489 00:24:43,057 --> 00:24:45,366 That's Harry. 490 00:24:45,368 --> 00:24:47,209 With my late husband David. 491 00:24:47,211 --> 00:24:49,352 Two of them were thick as thieves. 492 00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:52,969 Drinking and gambling every night at the Old Bluff. 493 00:24:52,971 --> 00:24:54,978 Sandi, you said that you weren't friends with Harry, 494 00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:57,089 but he kept sending you money. 495 00:24:57,091 --> 00:24:58,093 Why? 496 00:24:58,095 --> 00:24:59,065 I don't know. 497 00:24:59,067 --> 00:25:00,370 Maybe he felt sorry for me 498 00:25:00,372 --> 00:25:02,749 because I had to raise my grandson on my own. 499 00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,227 The child has special needs. 500 00:25:05,229 --> 00:25:09,783 And he was doing well in the program I sent him to. 501 00:25:09,785 --> 00:25:11,257 That school they had him in? 502 00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:13,366 Full of screamers and head bangers. 503 00:25:13,368 --> 00:25:15,544 How much was Harry sending? 504 00:25:15,546 --> 00:25:17,888 Are you gonna tell the IRS? 505 00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:19,260 No. 506 00:25:19,262 --> 00:25:22,140 Never more than ten grand. 507 00:25:22,142 --> 00:25:24,151 Every few months. 508 00:25:24,153 --> 00:25:26,261 Now the program says David can't come back 509 00:25:26,263 --> 00:25:28,237 until I pay the next bill. 510 00:25:28,239 --> 00:25:30,313 Sandi, I hate to ask you this, 511 00:25:30,315 --> 00:25:33,327 but that's a lot of money for a guy that didn't have a job. 512 00:25:34,568 --> 00:25:36,375 Do you know anything about Harry's involvement 513 00:25:36,377 --> 00:25:37,515 in the Benny Trust heist? 514 00:25:39,492 --> 00:25:41,231 That's where my husband worked. 515 00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:44,247 What did he do there? 516 00:25:44,249 --> 00:25:46,390 He was a guard. 517 00:25:46,392 --> 00:25:49,605 The guard who got killed in the robbery? 518 00:25:49,607 --> 00:25:53,558 The bank got their money back from the insurance, 519 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,169 and then went under before they paid our benefits 520 00:25:56,171 --> 00:25:57,609 like they promised. 521 00:25:57,611 --> 00:26:00,155 Harry was the only one looking out for us. 522 00:26:00,157 --> 00:26:02,365 Did you ever ask where he got the cash? 523 00:26:02,367 --> 00:26:06,151 But I knew something was eating him inside. 524 00:26:06,153 --> 00:26:07,689 And they always said 525 00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:10,204 the robbers must have had an inside tip. 526 00:26:10,206 --> 00:26:12,212 You think Harry was the conduit, 527 00:26:12,214 --> 00:26:14,189 because he was drinking buddies with your husband? 528 00:26:14,191 --> 00:26:15,830 He sure acted guilty around me. 529 00:26:15,832 --> 00:26:17,538 You think he got a cut afterward? 530 00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:19,580 I don't know. 531 00:26:19,582 --> 00:26:21,423 I needed the money. 532 00:26:21,425 --> 00:26:23,265 For my grandson. 533 00:26:24,504 --> 00:26:27,251 I guess you got a judgment about that? 534 00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:30,332 I don't know what to think. 535 00:26:30,334 --> 00:26:33,480 So what happens now? 536 00:26:37,501 --> 00:26:38,504 Hey, Reagan. 537 00:26:38,506 --> 00:26:40,747 What the hell do you want? 538 00:26:40,749 --> 00:26:42,992 I heard you had my father here. 539 00:26:42,994 --> 00:26:45,236 Yeah. Well, unless you got something new to offer 540 00:26:45,238 --> 00:26:46,542 that you held back on before, 541 00:26:46,544 --> 00:26:48,586 there's nothing you can do to help him now. 542 00:26:48,588 --> 00:26:49,657 Wait. 543 00:26:51,433 --> 00:26:53,709 I think you're gonna want to hear this. 544 00:26:53,711 --> 00:26:56,924 Okay. 545 00:26:56,926 --> 00:26:58,667 Come on. 546 00:27:16,552 --> 00:27:19,431 We're good to go? 547 00:27:19,433 --> 00:27:20,738 GPS is working. 548 00:27:20,740 --> 00:27:22,781 We good with the warrant? Just in time. 549 00:27:22,783 --> 00:27:24,154 Judge says, "Kathy's her own worst enemy." 550 00:27:24,156 --> 00:27:26,130 If she wasn't pushing this... 551 00:27:26,132 --> 00:27:28,139 A live video interview to drive up ratings... 552 00:27:28,141 --> 00:27:31,925 We wouldn't have probable cause she was meeting with Jeffrey. 553 00:27:33,466 --> 00:27:35,207 There she is. 554 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,900 Can't believe she's doing this. 555 00:27:40,902 --> 00:27:43,982 She was one of the best trial lawyers I ever worked with. 556 00:27:43,984 --> 00:27:47,063 One thing about Kathy, she was always more about 557 00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:49,039 the attention than the case. 558 00:27:50,312 --> 00:27:52,120 Let's go. 559 00:27:52,122 --> 00:27:53,969 Please, don't complain about the driving today. 560 00:27:57,981 --> 00:28:00,058 No promises. 561 00:28:02,202 --> 00:28:05,181 My father's the strongest man I know. 562 00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,158 I could never be like him. 563 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,230 Okay. 564 00:28:08,232 --> 00:28:10,004 He did 20 years in state prison, 565 00:28:10,006 --> 00:28:11,244 and he never complained about the food. 566 00:28:11,246 --> 00:28:13,153 After being in the restaurant business. 567 00:28:14,964 --> 00:28:20,053 No, he... he deserves to have his life back. 568 00:28:20,055 --> 00:28:21,325 He only just met his granddaughter. 569 00:28:21,327 --> 00:28:24,976 I'm sure this is all going someplace. 570 00:28:24,978 --> 00:28:27,087 When Alex Kalamogdartis 571 00:28:27,089 --> 00:28:29,128 came in the other night and started threatening him, 572 00:28:29,130 --> 00:28:32,880 So you're saying you were there during the argument. 573 00:28:32,882 --> 00:28:34,054 Yes, yes. 574 00:28:34,056 --> 00:28:35,258 I'm sorry that I lied before. 575 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:37,134 Like I said, I'm not as strong as Papa. 576 00:28:37,136 --> 00:28:39,278 Okay, we've moved past that. 577 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,359 So you heard Alex threaten your dad, then what did you do? 578 00:28:44,302 --> 00:28:46,378 I went, I went and I got my cousin's gun 579 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:47,584 from under the cash register. 580 00:28:47,586 --> 00:28:49,325 And then what? 581 00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,205 And then I just started shooting. 582 00:28:54,183 --> 00:28:58,469 And shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting! 583 00:28:59,474 --> 00:29:01,282 After it was done, 584 00:29:01,284 --> 00:29:04,229 Papa took the gun and told me to keep my mouth shut. 585 00:29:05,203 --> 00:29:07,210 Okay. I did it. 586 00:29:07,212 --> 00:29:11,296 I'm gonna need you to write that all down, okay? 587 00:29:16,287 --> 00:29:20,305 My father's still got a few good years left. 588 00:29:20,307 --> 00:29:24,190 I can't let him go back to prison for something that I did. 589 00:29:31,225 --> 00:29:33,502 You want a lawyer? 590 00:29:33,504 --> 00:29:35,376 Now? Seriously? 591 00:29:35,379 --> 00:29:37,253 Yeah. It's my right. I didn't shoot the kid. 592 00:29:37,255 --> 00:29:38,828 You got no right to keep me here. 593 00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:40,099 You asked for me. 594 00:29:40,101 --> 00:29:41,841 And now you want a lawyer? 595 00:29:44,556 --> 00:29:46,798 It's done. 596 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,204 He confessed. 597 00:30:04,517 --> 00:30:05,755 Full statement? 598 00:30:05,757 --> 00:30:08,434 Signed, sealed and delivered. 599 00:30:08,436 --> 00:30:09,806 Good work. 600 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:11,884 Stavros... In English. 601 00:30:11,886 --> 00:30:14,362 Papa, I'm sorry. Don't do this. 602 00:30:14,364 --> 00:30:16,439 - I already did. - No, you didn't. 603 00:30:16,441 --> 00:30:17,845 I shot him, Papa. 604 00:30:17,847 --> 00:30:19,318 He didn't give me a choice. 605 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,295 Take him down to Central Booking. 606 00:30:21,297 --> 00:30:22,501 Yes, sir. Come on. Wait a minute. 607 00:30:22,503 --> 00:30:23,773 Wait a minute! Wait a minute! 608 00:30:37,406 --> 00:30:41,021 I don't think you're gonna let him do this, Nick. 609 00:30:41,023 --> 00:30:45,510 You're not a perfect man, but you love your family 610 00:30:45,512 --> 00:30:47,553 and you love your son. 611 00:30:53,650 --> 00:30:56,596 It's how it had to be, Frank. 612 00:30:56,598 --> 00:31:01,084 Otherwise, those people were never gonna let us be. 613 00:31:01,086 --> 00:31:03,228 Ready to make a statement? 614 00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:06,242 Yes, I am. 615 00:31:10,832 --> 00:31:13,711 We got the cuffs on the wrong man. 616 00:31:44,123 --> 00:31:45,998 Nice ride. Smart. 617 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,878 Jeffrey knew we'd be looking for him 618 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,289 at the airfields, so he's all set to get away by land. 619 00:31:51,291 --> 00:31:54,370 Well, I guess looking back, I could've seen the signs. 620 00:31:54,372 --> 00:31:57,050 Beth was always a little flighty. 621 00:31:57,052 --> 00:31:59,159 That was part of the energy that drew me to her. 622 00:31:59,161 --> 00:32:00,333 She started disappearing for 623 00:32:00,335 --> 00:32:02,208 longer and longer periods of time. 624 00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:04,251 And then one night, she just didn't come back. 625 00:32:06,261 --> 00:32:08,169 You two, sit down. 626 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,883 And shut that off. 627 00:32:11,788 --> 00:32:14,097 On your feet, Doc. Come on. 628 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:17,013 Come on! 629 00:32:17,015 --> 00:32:19,021 Looks like this interview is over, Kathy. 630 00:32:19,023 --> 00:32:21,131 Jeffrey Durning, we have a warrant for your arrest. 631 00:32:22,238 --> 00:32:26,087 We also have a warrant for yo arrest. 632 00:32:26,089 --> 00:32:27,394 For what? 633 00:32:27,396 --> 00:32:30,307 You lied to us about where he was, 634 00:32:30,309 --> 00:32:32,049 and you're assisting a fugitive. 635 00:32:32,051 --> 00:32:33,288 Wait. 636 00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,197 There's something you need to see 637 00:32:35,199 --> 00:32:37,073 that changes this whole case. 638 00:32:37,075 --> 00:32:38,312 Really? 639 00:32:40,256 --> 00:32:43,335 This... was taken in Caracas 640 00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:45,313 two days ago by a friend of Beth's. 641 00:32:46,419 --> 00:32:48,494 She's still alive. 642 00:32:55,429 --> 00:32:56,666 Hey. 643 00:32:56,668 --> 00:32:59,245 Hey. Put the brisket in the fridge. 644 00:32:59,247 --> 00:33:01,389 I got us a bottle of wine; We're in business. 645 00:33:01,391 --> 00:33:04,771 Do you remember the Benny Trust heist? 646 00:33:04,773 --> 00:33:06,446 Sure I do. 647 00:33:06,448 --> 00:33:08,054 Happened when I was PC. 648 00:33:08,056 --> 00:33:10,064 We always heard that it was an inside job, 649 00:33:10,066 --> 00:33:11,470 but we could never prove it. 650 00:33:11,472 --> 00:33:13,647 Most of the thieves killed each other 651 00:33:13,649 --> 00:33:15,757 before they could spend the money. Why? 652 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,834 Just a hypothetical, but what if I told you 653 00:33:17,836 --> 00:33:20,446 that I found some of the money? 654 00:33:20,448 --> 00:33:24,700 You're taking us to Peter Luger's for family dinner. 655 00:33:28,184 --> 00:33:30,862 Seriously, it's a closed case, isn't it? 656 00:33:30,864 --> 00:33:35,183 No, the term is "not an active investigation." 657 00:33:35,185 --> 00:33:36,589 Big difference. 658 00:33:38,734 --> 00:33:40,741 Let's just say a couple of partners 659 00:33:40,743 --> 00:33:43,623 stumble on a bundle of cash in a dead man's apartment. 660 00:33:43,625 --> 00:33:46,436 Well, if they take it for themselves, 661 00:33:46,438 --> 00:33:50,624 they're out of a job and maybe on their way to prison. 662 00:33:50,626 --> 00:33:53,570 Let's just say though that they've made all the right calls 663 00:33:53,572 --> 00:33:55,413 and turns out nobody's looking for that money, 664 00:33:55,415 --> 00:33:57,688 but it's clear that the dead guy 665 00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:00,469 wanted to leave it to somebody who really needed it. 666 00:34:00,471 --> 00:34:02,547 He died without leaving a will? 667 00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:04,019 Yeah. 668 00:34:04,021 --> 00:34:06,497 Well, then it goes to the public administrator. 669 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:08,910 What if they just don't find all of it? 670 00:34:08,912 --> 00:34:13,665 Well, then these partners have an interesting dilemma. 671 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,594 A few years before the heist, 672 00:34:19,596 --> 00:34:21,972 I was up in the Bronx for the Big Blackout. 673 00:34:23,747 --> 00:34:25,588 The looting was insane. 674 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:28,201 We were locking up people left, right and center. 675 00:34:28,203 --> 00:34:31,952 Someone had broken the front window 676 00:34:31,954 --> 00:34:36,070 of a store that charged the most ridiculous prices. 677 00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:40,526 I saw a lady my age, with three little kids, 678 00:34:40,528 --> 00:34:43,004 carrying out a bag full of diapers and groceries. 679 00:34:44,747 --> 00:34:47,860 I looked her straight in the eye... 680 00:34:47,862 --> 00:34:49,569 and I let her go. 681 00:34:49,571 --> 00:34:52,850 I made a judgment call. 682 00:34:52,852 --> 00:34:56,703 Every good cop's got to be able to make one. 683 00:34:56,705 --> 00:34:59,784 Not that we're talking about anything real here. 684 00:35:10,002 --> 00:35:11,272 You sure this is okay? 685 00:35:11,274 --> 00:35:13,751 The public administrators are already done. 686 00:35:13,753 --> 00:35:15,258 You're the closest thing to a family friend. 687 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:17,267 We're just giving you a chance to pick out 688 00:35:17,269 --> 00:35:19,445 some clothes for Harry, for the funeral. 689 00:35:19,447 --> 00:35:22,860 No one else is coming? 690 00:35:22,862 --> 00:35:24,904 He had no will, no heirs. 691 00:35:24,906 --> 00:35:27,081 Just the letter to you. 692 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,353 So, we'll give you an hour. 693 00:35:28,355 --> 00:35:30,228 Whatever you leave behind goes to the landlady 694 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:32,807 or the-the clean-out company. 695 00:35:33,782 --> 00:35:38,870 Make sure you look everywhere... The cupboards, the closets... 696 00:35:40,144 --> 00:35:42,955 under the bed. 697 00:35:56,254 --> 00:35:58,095 I'm still not sure about this. 698 00:35:58,097 --> 00:35:59,535 Public administrators got most of the cash 699 00:35:59,537 --> 00:36:01,009 that was just lying around. 700 00:36:01,011 --> 00:36:02,013 We both know there's more. 701 00:36:02,015 --> 00:36:04,190 And no one's looking for it. 702 00:36:04,192 --> 00:36:06,032 Sandi needs that money to keep her grandson 703 00:36:06,034 --> 00:36:07,206 in that special school. 704 00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:10,219 Just doesn't feel right. 705 00:36:10,221 --> 00:36:12,497 What if someone starts asking questions later? 706 00:36:12,499 --> 00:36:16,952 Guess you'll have to decide if you're gonna rat me out. 707 00:36:23,516 --> 00:36:27,735 I can't believe you had me arrested on felony charges. 708 00:36:27,737 --> 00:36:29,443 Well, you knew where Jeffrey Durning was 709 00:36:29,445 --> 00:36:32,190 and you chose to mislead us and protect him. 710 00:36:32,192 --> 00:36:34,199 The flaw in your argument 711 00:36:34,201 --> 00:36:35,672 is that there is no underlying crime. 712 00:36:35,674 --> 00:36:37,313 Really? 713 00:36:37,315 --> 00:36:39,156 I've given you proof. 714 00:36:39,158 --> 00:36:41,568 You mean that picture from Venezuela? 715 00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:44,347 It kind of blows the whole case out of the water, Anthony, 716 00:36:44,349 --> 00:36:46,090 doesn't it? One little problem. 717 00:36:46,092 --> 00:36:48,568 I just got off the phone with the guy in the photo. 718 00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:50,578 He's five-foot-six. 719 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:52,419 Beth was five-foot-ten. 720 00:36:52,421 --> 00:36:55,501 And in the photo, she's looking up at him. 721 00:36:57,143 --> 00:36:59,185 How's a woman who's four inches taller 722 00:36:59,187 --> 00:37:00,759 appearing shorter? 723 00:37:04,813 --> 00:37:06,486 Obviously, it would be tough. 724 00:37:06,488 --> 00:37:08,461 I'd say. 725 00:37:08,463 --> 00:37:09,669 Doesn't mean I'm wrong about everything. 726 00:37:09,671 --> 00:37:11,543 You're just trying to neutralize me 727 00:37:11,545 --> 00:37:13,385 because you're afraid the former prosecutor 728 00:37:13,387 --> 00:37:15,462 is gonna make Jeffrey's defense a slam dunk. 729 00:37:15,464 --> 00:37:18,007 What about all the witnesses Jeffrey intimidated? 730 00:37:18,009 --> 00:37:20,252 Their stories didn't hold up. 731 00:37:20,254 --> 00:37:22,696 Then why did Jeffrey go to Mindy's apartment the other day 732 00:37:22,698 --> 00:37:23,800 and threaten her? 733 00:37:27,821 --> 00:37:30,533 He's worried the truth will come out. 734 00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:34,687 I had no idea he'd done this. 735 00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:38,035 You let your ego get ahead of the facts in this case, 736 00:37:38,037 --> 00:37:40,917 and you've been poisoning the jury pool with your podcast. 737 00:37:40,919 --> 00:37:43,462 I thought I had a subject who was innocent. 738 00:37:43,464 --> 00:37:44,768 Is it safe to say 739 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:46,744 that you could've handled things differently? 740 00:37:49,725 --> 00:37:52,740 I'll give you what I have on Jeffrey from my files. 741 00:38:00,946 --> 00:38:03,054 Bless us, Lord, in these thy gifts, 742 00:38:03,056 --> 00:38:05,164 which we are about to receive from thy bounty 743 00:38:05,167 --> 00:38:07,039 through Christ our Lord. Amen. 744 00:38:07,041 --> 00:38:08,280 Amen. 745 00:38:08,332 --> 00:38:09,804 The prodigal son. 746 00:38:09,806 --> 00:38:11,678 Better late than never. 747 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,493 I texted Erin I was running a little behind. 748 00:38:14,495 --> 00:38:15,497 He did. 749 00:38:15,499 --> 00:38:17,439 Where were you? 750 00:38:17,441 --> 00:38:18,612 Funeral. 751 00:38:18,614 --> 00:38:19,918 Whose? 752 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,291 Just a guy. 753 00:38:21,293 --> 00:38:22,898 You know him well? 754 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:24,005 No. 755 00:38:24,007 --> 00:38:25,779 Actually didn't know him at all. 756 00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:27,052 Turns out, nobody really did. 757 00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:28,795 What's that mean? 758 00:38:28,797 --> 00:38:30,468 Means he barely came out of his house 759 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:32,813 or spoke to anyone for 25 years, and passed away 760 00:38:32,815 --> 00:38:34,521 without anyone really wondering where he went. 761 00:38:34,523 --> 00:38:36,129 That may be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. 762 00:38:36,131 --> 00:38:37,669 How deep did you dig? 763 00:38:37,671 --> 00:38:41,822 Just a few days sitting with his stuff and waiting for 764 00:38:41,824 --> 00:38:43,698 the public administrators to show. 765 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,009 Did he have something to hide, something he was hiding from? 766 00:38:46,011 --> 00:38:49,794 At least not under any of the names that we had. 767 00:38:49,796 --> 00:38:51,803 Well, maybe he never got caught; Couldn't forgive himself. 768 00:38:51,805 --> 00:38:53,511 Any more of this, 769 00:38:53,513 --> 00:38:55,788 and I'm gonna have to go back to church 770 00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:57,631 and pray for his poor soul. Right? 771 00:38:57,633 --> 00:38:58,970 So you actually went to the funeral 772 00:38:58,972 --> 00:39:00,243 for someone you never met? 773 00:39:01,248 --> 00:39:02,789 Yeah. 774 00:39:02,791 --> 00:39:04,966 Ever done that before? 775 00:39:04,968 --> 00:39:06,874 Nope. Just felt like I should. 776 00:39:06,876 --> 00:39:07,946 That's it? 777 00:39:11,597 --> 00:39:14,041 Yeah, kind of hard to explain. 778 00:39:14,043 --> 00:39:16,084 At least for me it is. 779 00:39:18,129 --> 00:39:20,606 Wow, you give this family half an opportunity, 780 00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:23,052 and the questions just don't stop. 781 00:39:23,054 --> 00:39:24,759 Sorry I brought it up. 782 00:39:25,731 --> 00:39:28,913 Nicky, boys, 783 00:39:28,915 --> 00:39:31,726 you hear a lot of harsh stories at this table. 784 00:39:31,728 --> 00:39:33,065 I don't think they're harsh. 785 00:39:33,067 --> 00:39:34,373 Cool, maybe. 786 00:39:34,375 --> 00:39:35,913 Okay, ear of the beholder. 787 00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:38,826 But if there's one thing you need to take away 788 00:39:38,828 --> 00:39:41,304 from this table, I hope it's that you don't have to be. 789 00:39:41,306 --> 00:39:44,052 Jamie's age, or Danny's or Erin's 790 00:39:44,054 --> 00:39:46,094 or mine or Pop's for that matter, 791 00:39:46,096 --> 00:39:49,444 to learn to show some grace where it's needed. 792 00:39:49,446 --> 00:39:52,727 To save some grace for strangers even, 793 00:39:52,729 --> 00:39:56,075 who find themselves without family or friends. 794 00:39:56,077 --> 00:39:59,758 Or whatever reason got them there. 795 00:40:00,530 --> 00:40:02,439 Will do. Me, too. 796 00:40:02,441 --> 00:40:04,147 I'll try. 797 00:40:04,968 --> 00:40:08,852 I'd like to think the reward is in the attempt. 798 00:40:08,854 --> 00:40:10,594 Well, the good news is, 799 00:40:10,596 --> 00:40:13,005 none of us is ever gonna end up alone. 800 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,962 Not while another one of us is still standing. 801 00:40:18,884 --> 00:40:20,390 And again, amen. 802 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,205 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 57992

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