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>> THESE GUYS HAVEN'T EATEN

YET TODAY.

WANNA SEE 'EM EAT?

>> YEAH!

>> ALL RIGHT, LET ME GRAB SOME

GOLDFISH HERE.

GOLDFISH HERE. [♪...]

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OH, YA GOTTA KEEP 'EM WELL-FED.

IF YOU DON'T FEED 'EM OFTEN

ENOUGH, THEY WILL EAT

EACH OTHER.

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>> Dr. Jeffrey Jentzen: THIS WAS

BASICALLY A MINI-DISASTER.

AND A DISASTER IS BASICALLY ANY

EPISODE THAT OVERWHELMS YOUR

EXISTING RESOURCES.

AND A DISASTER COULD BE TWO

PEOPLE IN A CAR ACCIDENT,

IF YOU'RE A SMALL OFFICE.

OR IT COULD BE... 300 PEOPLE

IN A MAJOR CRASH.

SO, A DISASTER IS DIFFERENT

THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE

AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

FOR US, AT THIS TIME, THIS WAS

A DISASTER.

>> Det. Pat Kennedy: EVERYBODY

ALWAYS WANTS TO THINK THAT WHEN

THE SHIT HITS THE FAN, YOU'RE

GONNA BE COURAGEOUS, RIGHT?

WE HOPE SO.

ALL THROUGH THE ACADEMY,

YOU HAVE THOSE DREAMS, RIGHT?

THAT YOU'RE GONNA SHOW UP WHEN

SOMEONE'S BEING SHOT OR KILLED

OR RAPED AND TAKE CHARGE AND

BE THE HERO.

THAT WHEN A DANGEROUS SITUATION

COMES OR THE SHIT HITS THE FAN

WHERE SOMEONE HAS TO STAND UP

AND ACT THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE

THE COURAGE TO DO THAT.

AND UNTIL YOU ARE ACTUALLY PUT

IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT,

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA

REACT, RIGHT?

YOU HOPETHAT YOU'RE GONNA

REACT WELL.

IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-- OR MY

FATHER ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT

COURAGE WAS SIMPLY FEAR THAT HAS

SAID ITS PRAYERS.

SAID ITS PRAYERS. [CAR DRIVES AWAY]

[CAR DRIVES AWAY]

>> Female store clerk: HEY.

>> Dahmer: HI.

>> I CAN SHOW YOU

WHAT WE DOHAVE.

HAVE SOME NEW FRIENDS?

>> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO, THIS IS KIND

OF WHAT WE HAVE, KIND OF A LARGE

CONTAINER WITH A LID.

>> HMM...

O.K., THANKS A LOT.

>> YEAH, SORRY.

>> Pamela Bass: BACK IN THOSE

DAYS, EVERYTHING WAS OPEN.

YOU KNOW, THEY EVEN HAD KIDS

SELLING DRUGS, 12- AND

13-YEAR-OLDS.

WE'RE HAVING A BIG PROBLEM WITH

CRACK, AND UM... I WAS USING

TOO... SO IT MADE IT DIFFICULT.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS SO MUCH

IN OUR BUILDING, BUT IT WAS

IN OUR BUILDING, BUT IT WAS AROUND US.

AROUND US.

[BUS BRAKES HISS]

[BUS BRAKES HISS] [BUS ENGINE HUMMING...]

[BUS ENGINE HUMMING...]

>> Man: WELL, YOU'RE

LOOKING GOOD.

GRANDMA WAS SAYING...

>> Dahmer: THANKS.

>> ...THAT SHE THOUGHT THAT YOU

GOT QUITE A BIT THINNER,

BUT YOU LOOK FIT.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN SURVIVING

MOSTLY ON McDONALD'S FOOD.

IT'S SO MUCH EASIER JUST TO POP

INTO A RESTAURANT, BUT...

>> YEAH.

>> LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE,

IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AND I HAVE

TO START EATING AT HOME MORE.

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>> Jentzen: I DON'T THINK ABOUT

A PERSON'S LIFE OR WHAT THEY

COULD BE.

I THINK ABOUT, UM... WHEN I'M

TALKING TO THEIR FAMILIES LATER

ON AFTER THE AUTOPSY AND I'M

GIVING THEM THE FAMILY'S

INFORMATION... UM, YOU KNOW,

I EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES TO

THE FAMILY AND... I EXPRESS HOW

SORRY I AM THAT THIS HAPPENED

TO THEM.

BUT I DON'T, UM, I DON'T PROCESS

EVERY CASE AND THINK ABOUT A

PERSON'S LIFE AFTER I'VE DONE

AN AUTOPSY.

>> I MYSELF WAS INVOLVED IN--

I DIDN'T-- I GOT SHOT AT.

PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW WHY

I DIDN'T SHOOT BACK.

I WAS TOO BUSY GETTING THE HECK

OUT OF THE WAY. [CHUCKLES]

I MYSELF WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL

OCCASIONS WHERE PEOPLE SHOT

ATME, UM... AND...

IT BECAME KIND OF A WAKE-UP

CALL, RIGHT, BECAUSE I WAS NOT--

I WAS ALWAYS A BIG GUY.

I PLAYED SPORTS, I PLAYED SPORTS

IN COLLEGE, BUT I WASN'T

A FIGHTER GUY.

BECAUSE OF MY SIZE, PEOPLE

DIDN'T-- I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE

TO GET IN FIGHTS, RIGHT?

>> WE USE TO MAINLY SIT IN

THE BACK YARD, YOU KNOW, ON THE

STEPS AND WE'D HAVE OUR LITTLE

GRILL OUT THERE AND COOKIN',

STUFF LIKE THAT.

WE'D BE HANGING OUT IN THE BACK

AND HE'D COME IN AND, UM...

ONE DAY I SAW HIM TRYING TO TAKE

A BAG OF TRASH OUT OR SOMETHING

LIKE THAT, AND I SPOKE TO HIM.

AND WE HAD A LITTLE, YOU KNOW,

CONVERSATION, "HOW YOU DOIN'?

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE?

WHY ARE YOU OVER HERE WITH ALL

THESE BLACK PEOPLE?" [LAUGHS]

IT WAS CLOSE TO HIS JOB, SO

THAT'S WHY HE HAD MOVED THERE.

KIND OF FRIENDLY, BUT KIND OF...

UH, INTROVERTED.

HE DIDN'T HAVE TOO MANY FRIENDS

IN THE BUILDING, BUT HE WOULD

ALWAYS SPEAK TO ME.

ALWAYS SPEAK TO ME. [♪...]

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>> HEY, HOW'S IT GOING?

>> GOOD.

>> I'M ANDY. >> HI.

>> BRIAN. >> I'M JEFF.

>> WE'RE FROM EYE-IN-THE-SKY

HERE TO GIVE YOU-- >> OH!

>> HERE TO GIVE YOU A QUOTE.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Andy: SO HOW THIS WORKS IS--

I'VE A FEW PAMPHLETS HERE,

OUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAMERAS.

I'LL HAVE BRIAN TAKE A FEW

MEASUREMENTS AND I'LL BE ABLE

TO GIVE YOU A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

>> Brian: UM, WHAT ROOMS

ARE YOU LOOKING TO PROTECT?

>> [SIGHS]

JUST THIS ROOM.

>> SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE CAMERAS

TO CHOOSE FROM.

TO CHOOSE FROM. [CONTINUES IN BACKGROUND...]

[CONTINUES IN BACKGROUND...]

...SO YOU CAN SEE THE

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN

THESE TWO CAMERAS.

YOU HAVE A LIST OF FEATURES

DOWN HERE.

>> Bass: I STARTED COOKING

AND SOMETIMES I WOULD GIVE HIM

A SANDWICH OR SOMETHING

WHEN HE WAS ON HIS WAY TO WORK,

OR I WOULD LIKE, GO TO HIS HOUSE

AND COME IN AND HAVE A BEER

WITH HIM OR SOMETHING.

IT WAS ALL RIGHT,

IN THE BEGINNING.

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HE WOULD GIVE ME LITTLE THINGS.

LIKE HE HAD A TRUNK

THAT HE SAID HIS GRANDMOTHER

GAVE HIM THAT HE BROUGHT

IN A CAB TO THE APARTMENT.

IT WAS A SIX FEET-SOMETHING

KIND OF A TRUNK, AND I REMEMBER

WHEN HE BROUGHT IT IN, HE WAS

HAVING TROUBLE TRYING TO GET IT

IN, SO I HAD TO OPEN UP MY DOOR

SO HE COULD TURN IT.

HE WAS KIND OF KINDHEARTED

TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW?

HE WOULD SHARE WHAT HE HAD

HE WOULD SHARE WHAT HE HAD WITH YOU.

WITH YOU.

>> Kennedy: IT WAS ONE OF THOSE

NIGHTS WHERE THE HUMIDITY WAS

HIGH-- IT WAS REALLY THICK,

HEAVY, MUCKY.

AS WE PULLED INTO THE APARTMENT,

AND WENT INTO THE FOYER,

WHICH IS KIND OF A BIG

GLASS-ENCLOSED FOYER WHERE IT

HAD STEPS AND AN ELEVATOR TO GO

UP TO THE THREE STORIES...

AS SOON AS YOU WALKED IN THERE

YOU COULD SMELL THAT FUNKY,

PUTRID SMELL OF DEATH.

AND THE WAY I LIKE TO DESCRIBE

DEATH IS-- THE SMELL OF DEATH--

IS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SMELLED

ROTTED ANIMALS OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT, BUT A GOOD, YOU KNOW, RIPE

BODY THAT'S BEEN LYING AROUND

FOR A WHILE HAS A UNIQUE SMELL

THAT I CAN ONLY REFER TO

AS WHEN I THINK ABOUT COFFEE,

'CAUSE I'M A COFFEE DRINKER.

AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT COFFEE

SMELLS LIKE, AND THEN YOU WERE

TAKEN, WHISKED AWAY SOMEPLACE

TO A ISLAND FOR 30, 40, 60 DAYS

WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COFFEE,

BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN

YOU COME BACK AND YOU SMELL

COFFEE, YOU IMMEDIATELY KNOW,

"WOW, THAT'S COFFEE."

I MEAN, IT JUST COMES TO YOU,

RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THE SMELL

OF DEATH IS, AT LEAST FOR ME.

I COULD TELL.

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>> WE WERE IN THE BED SLEEPING

'CAUSE I REMEMBER MY HUSBAND

HAD TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK

IN THE MORNING.

HE USUALLY LEFT ABOUT 6:00,

SO IT WAS ABOUT 11,

AND JEFF, OF COURSE,

WAS OVER THERE...

HE'S GOT SOMEONE IN HIS HOUSE.

YOU CAN HEAR HIS MUSIC PLAYING

BUT HIS DOOR WAS OPEN.

THE POLICE CAME THERE

AND I COULD HEAR THEM

OUTSIDE MY DOOR TALKING.

ONE OF THE OFFICERS SAID, "HEY,

MAN, GET THE FUCKING CUFFS!"

THEY WERE SCUFFLING WITH HIM.

BUT HE HOWLED LIKE A ANIMAL

THAT I HAD NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

JUST A LOUD, SCREECHING,

UN-HUMAN... AND I FLEW

AND JUMPED IN THE BED

WITH MY HUSBAND [LAUGHS] AND

PULLED THE COVERS UP

OVER MY HEAD.

I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW

WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE,

BUT SOMETHING IS GOING ON OVER

THERE WITH JEFF!"

HE SAID, "WELL,

CALL THE POLICE!"

"THE POLICE ARE ALREADY

OVER THERE!"

OVER THERE!" [MUSIC PLAYING IN SHOP]

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>> Dahmer: HI.

>> Driver: HI.

>> CAN YOU POP THE TRUNK?

I HAVE SOME LUGGAGE.

>> SURE.

>> THANKS.

>> THANKS. [♪...]

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>> YOU WANT HELP?

>> NO, THAT'S O.K., I GOT IT.

>> NO, THAT'S O.K., I GOT IT. [♪...]

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>> Driver: HI, HOW ARE YOU?

>> GOOD.

COULD YOU TAKE ME TO, UH,

THE OXFORD APARTMENTS, PLEASE?

>> SURE.

>> THANKS.

>> Bass: I REMEMBER A STENCH,

A ODOR OF FORMALDEHYDE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SOME PRESERVATIVE OR SOMETHING.

YOU COULD SMELL...

SICKNESS, DEATH-- SOMETHING.

I REMEMBER STANDING AT THE

HALLWAY LOOKING AT THIS OFFICER.

AND HE WAS JUST STANDING THERE

LIKE THIS, AND I WAS STANDING,

AND A GUST OF WIND CAME OUT AND

[IMITATES WHOOSHING]...

WENT AROUND MY BODY

AND KNOCKED ME ON MY KNEES.

AND HE STARTED THROWING UP.

>> Kennedy: I COULD SEE

A POLICE OFFICER WHOM I KNEW.

AS I WALKED DOWN THERE,

I NOTICED THAT HIS UNIFORM WAS

IN A TOTALLY DISHEVELED STATE.

BESIDES PERSPIRATION ALL OVER

SOAKING THROUGH... BUT THAT HIS

SAM BROWNE HAD BEEN TWISTED, AND

THAT HIS TIE WAS ASKEW, AND HIS

HAIR WAS KIND OF STICKING UP,

AND HE WAS SWEATING PROFUSELY.

AND HIS EYES WERE...

I MEAN, THEY WERE BIG,

THEY WERE AS BIG AS SAUCERS,

VERY UNLIKE OFFICER MUELLER.

I SAID, "ROLF, WHAT'S GOING ON

HERE?" AND ALLS HE COULD

SAY TO ME WAS, "GO LOOK

IN THE REFRIGERATOR."

IN THE REFRIGERATOR." [BUS ENGINE HUMMING...]

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[ENGINE NOISE FADES] [CHAIR BUZZING]

[CHAIR BUZZING]

>> O.K., WOULD YOU PUT YOUR CHIN

ON THERE? THANK YOU.

ON THERE? THANK YOU. GOOD.

GOOD.

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[CLICK, MUSIC STOPS]

[CLICK, MUSIC STOPS] RIGHT AT THE LIGHT, PLEASE.

RIGHT AT THE LIGHT, PLEASE.

AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW?

>> I WORK AT

>> I WORK AT A CHOCOLATE FACTORY.

A CHOCOLATE FACTORY.

>> Kennedy: WHEN I BECAME A

DETECTIVE, I HAD ALREADY BEEN

A POLICE OFFICER FOR NINE YEARS,

AND I HAD SEEN A LOT OF

HORRIFIC THINGS, RIGHT?

I ALSO KNEW AT THIS TIME THAT

THE SUSPECT WAS UNDER ARREST AND

HOG-TIED, THAT I HAD TWO LARGE

POLICE OFFICERS ARMED,

AND I WAS ARMED, AND MY PARTNER

WHO WAS THERE WAS ARMED.

SO I KNEW THAT I WAS NOT

IN ANY DANGER.

>> Jentzen: FROM TIME TO TIME

WE'LL BE CALLED OUT

BY INVESTIGATORS IN

LAW ENFORCEMENT TO IDENTIFY

AND EXAMINE, UH, BODY PARTS

OR SOME KIND OF DECAYING FLESH

THAT ARE FOUND THAT MAY END UP

BEING HUMAN OR NON-HUMAN.

AND ON MANY OCCASIONS,

WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THERE IS

SOMETHING THAT IS NON-HUMAN

THAT IS IN SUCH A DECOMPOSED

STATE THAT IT LOOKS HUMAN.

FOR EXAMPLE, HUNTERS WILL KILL

A BEAR, AND THE FEET AND PAWS

MIMIC ALMOST VERY CLOSELY THE

SKELETAL STRUCTURE OF A HUMAN.

SO ON MANY OCCASIONS THOSE ARE,

THOSE ARE MISINTERPRETED.

>> IT WAS EMPTY IN THE MAIN PART

OF THE REFRIGERATOR

EXCEPT FOR A CARDBOARD BOX.

AND INSIDE THAT CARDBOARD BOX

WAS A FRESHLY-- IT LOOKED LIKE--

SEVERED AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE'S

HUMAN HEAD WITH THE EYES

AND THE MOUTH OPEN LIKE ...

LIKE THIS.

I ALSO NOTICED IN THE BACK WAS

AN OPEN BOX OF ARM & HAMMER

BAKING SODA.

MY MOM USED TO DO THAT

TO KEEP THE REFRIGERATOR FRESH.

AND THEN ON THE DOOR THAT I

OPENED UP, THERE WAS CONDIMENTS.

MUSTARD, KETCHUP, A.1. SAUCE,

THAT KIND OF STUFF.

I WILL ADMIT THAT FROM THE

BOTTOM OF MY FEET TO THE TOP

OF MY HEAD, EVERYTHING IN MY

BODY SAID, "YOU KNOW, YOU...

YOU GOTTA GET THE HELL

OUT OF HERE, RIGHT?

LET'S GET A BOSS HERE.

THIS IS BIGGER THAN ME."

>> Man: HEY, PETE?

WE'VE GOT 'EM COMING

OUT OF THIS... HOUSE.

>> Kennedy: WITHIN FIVE MINUTES,

LIEUTENANT HARRELL CAME, AND

AFTER HE SAW THE HEAD IN THE

REFRIGERATOR AND BACKED UP, HE

LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID, "PAT,

I WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS PRICK

DOWNTOWN," AND HE GOES,

"I WANT YOU TO STICK WITH HIM.

I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE

TO TALK TO HIM."

HE GOES, "I DON'T WANT YOU

TO LEAVE HIS SIDE.

I DON'T CARE IF HE'S GOTTA

GO TO THE BATHROOM, I WANT YOU

TO HOLD HIS DICK."

HE GOES, "BUT I WANT YOU TO STAY

WITH THIS GUY AND DON'T LET

ANYBODY ELSE TALK TO HIM."

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>> Bass: "I'M SURE THEY DONE

FOUND SOMEBODY."

I SAID, "SOMEBODY DONE

SET JEFF UP.

THEY TRIED TO GET HIM, OR

SOMEBODY GOT KILLED AT JEFF'S

HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT."

I NEVER THOUGHT THAT JEFF

I NEVER THOUGHT THAT JEFF HAD DID ANYTHING.

HAD DID ANYTHING.

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>> WE PUT HIM BACK IN THE

FARTHEST INTERROGATION ROOM.

OUR INTERROGATION ROOMS ARE LIKE

9x12, CINDER BLOCK, WITH A

METAL TABLE AND TWO CHAIRS,

THAT'S IT.

THE FIRST THING HE SAID TO ME

IS, "YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET

ANYBODY HIT ME ANYMORE,

ARE YOU?"

AND I SAID, "NO." [CHUCKLES]

I SAID, "NO, NO ONE'S GONNA HIT

YOU NO MORE," I SAID, "AS A

MATTER OF FACT, NO ONE ELSE IS

GONNA TALK TO YOU BUT ME."

I SAID, "BEFORE WE GET STARTED,

I'M GONNA GO GET MYSELF A CUP OF

COFFEE.

WOULD YOU LIKE ONE?

WOULD YOU LIKE A CIGARETTE?"

AND TO THAT HE SAID, "I WOULD

LOVE BOTH.

I WOULD LOVE BOTH."

>> THE APARTMENT WAS A

ONE-BEDROOM, SMALL,

EFFICIENCY-TYPE APARTMENT, AND

THERE WERE LARGE POLICE OFFICERS

THAT WERE TAKING PICTURES AND

DOING THEIR INVESTIGATION AND

RECOVERING EVIDENCE, AND IT WAS

DIFFICULT TO MOVE AROUND

THE APARTMENT.

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>> Bass: CHAOS, IT WAS CHAOS.

AND THERE WERE-- OFFICERS WERE

EVERYWHERE.

PEOPLE WERE EVERYWHERE.

CAMERAS.

EVERYBODY ELSE FLEW OUTSIDE TO

TALK TO THE CAMERA PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, "I WANT TO BE ON TV,

LET'S GO GET ON TV."

AND I'M GOING, "I'M NOT GOING

OUT THERE.

LOOK AT ALL THEM PEOPLE

OUT THERE, AND WE DON'T KNOW

WHAT'S GOING ON."

>> Jentzen: SOMETIMES YOU'LL GO

TO A CRIME SCENE AND THERE MIGHT

BE SOME JOKING, PEOPLE TALKING

ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BASKETBALL

GAMES OR WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO

OVER THE WEEKEND OR SOMETHING,

BUT THIS WAS DIFFERENT IN THAT

I THINK PEOPLE WERE VERY MUCH,

UM, ABSORBED WITH WHAT THEY WERE

SEEING AND I THINK HOW THEY WERE

FEELING, SO IT, UH, IT WAS VERY,

IT WAS VERY QUIET.

[HEART BEATING...]

>> I PUT MY HAND OUT, I SAID,

"MY NAME IS PAT KENNEDY."

WELL, I SAID, "I'M PAT, AND I'M

THE ONE WHO'S GONNA BE TALKING

TO YOU ABOUT THE HEAD IN THE

REFRIGERATOR."

UM, AND AT THAT POINT HE SAID TO

ME, "I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT

IT'S IN MY BEST INTEREST TO TALK

TO YOU ABOUT THIS."

SO, TO ME THAT WAS KIND OF

WEIRD, RIGHT?

'CAUSE IF THEY'RE "NO" PEOPLE

IT'S LIKE, "HEY, FUCK YOU,"

YOU KNOW?

"I AIN'T SAYIN' SHIT," RIGHT?

UH, "YES" PEOPLE, UM, WILL BE

DEFEATED.

BUT I HAD NEVER HAD ANYONE,

YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SAYING "I WANT

A LAWYER," WHICH HAPPENS A LOT,

I NEVER HAD ANYONE SAY IT

QUITE LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, VERY POLITE AND VERY TO

THE POINT, OBVIOUSLY A COMMAND

OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

"I DON'T THINK IT'S IN MY BEST

INTEREST FOR ME TO TALK TO YOU

ABOUT THAT."

[SIGHS]

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>> Man: ...IT'S THIS FOSSIL.

I FOUND IT WHEN I MOVED IN.

WEIGHS 200 POUNDS AND THE

FACE PLATE'S BUSTED OFF.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT'S JUST

GONNA SHOOT SILICON STRAIGHT

INTO MY LUNGS.

INTO MY LUNGS. [♪...]

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>> HEY, WHAT'S UP, BUDDY?

>> HEY, I'M HERE TO PICK UP

MY BARREL.

>> OH, ALL RIGHT.

YOU, UH, YOU HAVE YOUR CAR HERE?

>> NO.

>> OH, YOU'RE JUST GONNA WALK

OFF WITH IT?

>> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

HERE YOU GO MAN, YUP.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

THANKS.

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>> Kennedy: HE STARTED ASKING

ME, "WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ME IF I

DON'T TALK TO YOU?"

SO I WENT INTO KIND OF A BLASE

DESCRIPTION OF OUR BOOKING

PROCESS, AND AS I WAS DESCRIBING

IT, HE WAS KINDA NODDING AND

I COULD SEE THAT HE WAS FAMILIAR

WITH THE BOOKING PROCESS.

AND THEN HE SAID TO ME, HE GOES,

"WELL, THERE'D BE ANY WAY THAT

I'D BE ABLE TO GET MY OWN CELL?"

AND AS SOON AS HE SAID THAT,

THEN I KNEWHE WAS FAMILIAR WITH

THE BOOKING PROCESS, RIGHT?

BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME PEOPLE GET

THEIR OWN CELL-- AT LEAST IN THE

MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT

THAT TIME- IS IF THEY WERE

COMPLETELY NUTS AND COULDN'T BE

TRUSTED AROUND OTHER PEOPLE,

OR IF THEY WERE A JUVENILE AND

WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO HOLD

'EM TILL WE COULD PUT 'EM

SOMEPLACE, THEY HAD TO BE

SEPARATED.

UH, OTHERWISE, EVERYBODY WENT TO

THE BULLPEN, WHICH WAS A

DISGUSTING PLACE TO BE, RIGHT?

IT'S STINKY AND IT'S SMELLY

AND IT'S PACKED, AND YOU COULD

BE SITTING NEXT TO A MURDERER

AS WELL AS A DRUNK DRIVER.

IT WAS JUST- AND I COULD,

I PICKED UP THAT HE WAS AFRAID

OF THE BULLPEN.

UM, I SAID, "WELL..." I SAID,

"TONIGHT IS A VERY BUSY NIGHT.

I THINK EVERY CELL IS FULL AND

THAT BULLPEN IS PACKED.

SO YOU CAN STAY HERE AND

TALK TO ME..." AND ALREADY HE

SAW THAT HE HAD A CUP OF COFFEE

GOING AND THE CIGARETTES,

I SAID, "OR," I SAID,

"YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO..."

>> THERE WAS A PORTABLE FREEZER

THAT WAS IN THE FRONT ROOM, AND

IT WAS ALMOST OUT OF PLACE IN

ITS POSITION AND WHETHER YOU

WOULD EVEN SEE THAT IN SOMEONE'S

SMALL APARTMENT.

WE REALLY KIND OF WALKED AROUND

IT FOR THE LONGEST TIME BEFORE

I GUESS WE HAD THE NERVE TO OPEN

IT UP AND SEE WHAT WAS IN IT,

BUT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE

ANYTHING, BUT THEN ONCE WE

OPENED UP THE CONTAINER AND SAW

ANOTHER, ANOTHER HEAD IN THERE,

IT BECAME, YOU KNOW, IT BECAME

REAL FOR US, I THINK.

>> YOU WANNA MAKE HIM

UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT NOT TOO

UNCOMFORTABLE, SO YOU'RE,

YOU'RE POSITIONING, RIGHT?

YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET

INTIMATE IF YOU WANT, BUT FAR

ENOUGH AWAY WHERE THEY'RE NOT

FEELING THREATENED, RIGHT?

BUT ABLE TO...

UM, AS I'M TALKING TO HIM,

I SAID, "WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT

OTHER THINGS, THEN," RIGHT?

SO FROM THERE, UH, WE DID HAVE

A LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT

MANY THINGS.

THE FIRST THING WE TALKED ABOUT

WAS HIS JOB AT THE CHOCOLATE

FACTORY, AND WHY HE PICKED THE

POSITION OFF OF 25th STREET

AND STATE.

IT WAS A BUS ROUTE.

HE COULD GET ON THE BUS AND BE

AT HIS CHOCOLATE FACTORY IN

FIVE MINUTES.

HE LIVED WHERE HE LIVED BECAUSE

IT WAS AFFORDABLE, AND HE SAID

HE LIKED TO SPEND HIS MONEY ON

HIS ACTIVITIES, ON HIS

RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES,

WHICH HE ENJOYED.

GAY NIGHT CLUBS, AND HE SAID HE

ATE OUT MOST OF THE TIME.

WE ALSO HAD A LONG TALK ABOUT

RELIGION.

I'M BEING A CATHOLIC AND I SPENT

FIVE YEARS IN THE SEMINARY, UH,

I KNEW SOME STUFF ABOUT

MARTIN LUTHER AND THE LUTHERAN

RELIGION, AND WE GOT IN-- HE WAS

ACTUALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND THAT

SENT US INTO A WHOLE DISCUSSION

ABOUT GOD AND WHETHER OR NOT

THERE WAS A GOD.

UM, FROM THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT

GOD WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

A HIGHER POWER- WHICH HE DID

BELIEVE THERE WAS A HIGHER

POWER- HE DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS

GOD OR THE DEVIL- HE KNEW THERE

WAS SOMETHING OUT THERE MORE

POWERFUL THAN HIM.

THAT ALSO GOT US INTO A

DISCUSSION ABOUT ALCOHOLISM

BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT HE WAS,

UH, THAT HE WAS DRUNK, AND

COUPLE OF TIMES DURING THE THING

HE WOULD BLURT OUT, YOU KNOW,

"I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS HAS

HAPPENED TO ME."

AND I'D SAY, "WHAT ARE YOU

TAKING ABOUT?"

HE WAS LIKE, "I CAN'T BELIEVE

I'M SITTING HERE-- I CAN'T

BELIEVE I GOT CAUGHT!"

AND I SAID, 'WELL,

WHAT DID YOU THINK?"

HE GOES, "I JUST GOT DRUNK."

HE GOES, "I LOST CONTROL.

I JUST GOT DRUNK, OTHERWISE

I WOULDN'T BE HERE."

AND HE WASN'T TELLING ME WHAT

WAS HAPPENING, BUT HE KEPT

REFERRING TO ALCOHOL.

AND BECAUSE, AS NOTED, I HAVE

HAD MY PROBLEMS WITH ALCOHOL,

AT THAT POINT I STARTED TRYING

TO TELL HIM THAT PROBABLY THE

HEAD IN THE REFRIGERATOR HAD

SOMETHING TO DO WITH ALCOHOL.

[♪..., CLICKING...]

IF IN FACT YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC,

ALCOHOLISM IS A DISEASE.

AND THEN HE STARTED MAKING TACIT

ADMISSIONS LIKE "WELL, FOR WHAT

I'VE DONE THERE'S NO EXCUSE,"

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID, BUT

LITTLE TACIT ADMISSIONS WHERE

I KNEW HE WAS STARTING TO CRACK

A LITTLE BIT.

HE WAS STARTING TO COME FORWARD.

>> YOU JUST NEED TO BE CHECKED

OUT?

>> YEAH.

ACTUALLY, COULD I GET A BOX TOO?

UM, LAST TIME I USED A BAG, AND

I WAS RIDING THE BUS HOME AND

THE BAG RIPPED OPEN, AND THE

BOTTLES JUST KIND OF WERE ALL

OVER THE BUS, AND I WONDERED IF

I COULD GET A BOX THIS TIME?

>> YEAH, I'LL GO GRAB ONE.

>> THANKS.

[♪...]

[♪...] [SIGHS]

[SIGHS]

[SIGHS] >> [CLEARS THROAT]

>> [CLEARS THROAT]

>> Dahmer: CAN I WRITE A CHECK?

>> Dahmer: CAN I WRITE A CHECK? >> Cashier: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

>> Cashier: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

$5.39.

>> Bass: AND THEN THEY STARTED

BRINGING ALL THESE THINGS OUT

AND PUTTING THEM IN THE HALLWAY.

LIKE OFFICE SUPPLY BOXES.

10, THEN THERE'S 20, AND THEN

THERE WAS 50, AND THEN THERE

WERE 60, AND THEY WERE STACKING

THEM UP IN THE HALLWAY ON TOP OF

EACH OTHER.

>> Kennedy: AS I WAS GOING BACK

AND FORTH OUT TO THE COFFEE BAR,

THE LIEUTENANT WOULD KEEP COMING

UP TO ME AND SAYING,

"IS HE SAYING ANYTHING TO YOU?

IS HE SAYING ANYTHING TO YOU?"

"NO, HE'S STILL, YOU KNOW,

WE'RE TALKING ALL THIS SHIT."

UH, "DOES HE ASK FOR A LAWYER?"

"NO, HE HASN'T ASKED FOR

A LAWYER."

WENT BACK IN, AND FINALLY WHEN

IT GOT TO THE POINT AFTER ABOUT

TWO HOURS, THE LIEUTENANT

KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND CAME IN

AND SAID, "HEY, PAT, CAN I TALK

TO YOU?" AND HE PULLED ME OUT,

AND I SAID, "WHAT'S GOING ON?"

HE SAID, "WELL, WE'RE FINDING

THAT BIG TANK THAT YOU SAW IN

HIS BEDROOM THAT'S SEALED, AND

THERE'S ALL KIND OF BOXES THAT

SAY MURIATIC ACID, FLAMMABLE,

EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, CAUTION.

WE'RE SEEING WIRES STICKING IN

THE WALL FROM ALL THE ELECTRONIC

DEVICES THAT HE HAD.

THE C.I.B.-- THE CRIMINAL

INVESTIGATION- THE FORENSIC

PEOPLE ARE AFRAID THAT THERE'S A

BOOBY TRAP, OR THAT IF THEY MOVE

SOMETHING IT'S GONNA BLOW UP

OR IS SOMETHING RIGGED OR

EXPLOSIVE?"

>> THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE

IT IS WE WERE DISMANTLING

SOMEONE'S MUSEUM.

IS THAT WHEN WE WERE WALKING

DOWN THE HALLWAY, IN A SMALL

CLOSET THERE WAS A LARGE

STAINLESS STEEL COOK POT,

AND WHEN WE LOOKED IN THERE,

THERE WAS SOME HUMAN HANDS AND,

UH, MALE GENITALIA THAT HAD BEEN

DRIED OR DESICCATED.

>> "THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE

ANYTHING UNTIL YOU ASK HIM."

SO, I WENT BACK IN, I SAID,

"HEY, JEFF," YOU KNOW, I SAID,

"OUR FORENSIC GUYS ARE OUT AT

YOUR APARTMENT AND THEY'RE

AFRAID-- THEY'RE SEEING THE BIG

FIVE, FIVE-GALLON BOXES THAT SAY

MURIATIC ACID, EXPLOSIVES,

DANGEROUS.

THEY'RE SEEING ALL THE

ELECTRONIC DEVICES HOOKED INTO

YOUR WALLS," AND ALL OF A SUDDEN

YOU COULD SEE THE REALIZATION.

HE GOES, "YOU MEAN, YOU'RE IN MY

HOUSE, SEARCHING MY HOUSE?"

AND I SAID, "WELL, IF WE'RE NOT,

WE'RE GOING TO, JEFF."

I SAID, "OF COURSE."

I SAID, "THERE'S A HOMICIDE

THERE, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH

EVERYTHING IN THAT HOUSE."

>> WE FOUND THREE SKULLS THAT

WERE SPRAY-PAINTED WITH THIS

GRAY, GRANITE-LIKE TEXTURE

PAINT, AND I, UM, WAS IMPRESSED

WITH HOW, UM, PROFESSIONAL

THEY LOOKED, AND I-- IT WAS HARD

FOR ME TO CONCEIVE OF THESE

BEING SKELETONIZED REMAINS

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T APPEAR

TO BE THAT.

UM, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL MY

ASSISTANT, DR. TEGGATZ HAD TAKEN

OUT HIS POCKET KNIFE AND REMOVED

SOME OF THE PAINT THAT WE COULD

SEE- ON THE TEETH, WE COULD

ACTUALLY SEE THAT THERE WAS

ENAMEL ON THE TEETH.

AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT

I FULLY REALIZED THAT WE HAD

ADDITIONAL THREE BODIES BECAUSE

THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW,

HUMAN SKULLS.

[CLOCK TICKING, ♪...]

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HE'S

DONE SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE,

I SAID, "CAN'T BE, CAN'T BE."

AND THEY KEEP BRINGING ALL THESE

THINGS OUT AND WHAT ARE IN THESE

POTS AND STUFF?

I REMEMBER ASKING HIM, AND HE

HAD TOLD ME IN A POT THERE...

PENISES.

AND THEN THERE ARE BOXES WITH

PENISES IN THEM, AND THERE ARE

ALL THESE PICTURES OF PEOPLE.

AND... BODIES.

THESE ARE NOT LIVING PEOPLE.

>> THE TYPICAL HOMICIDE

INTERROGATION LASTS ABOUT

THREE-AND-A-HALF HOURS BEFORE

THEY START TO CRAP OUT.

THIS IS ABOUT THREE HOURS IN,

WE HAD BEEN TALKING--

THREE HOURS AND TEN MINUTES IN,

WHEN HE FINALLY SAID, "WELL,

YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT EVERYTHING

NOW, SO IT'S NO SENSE.

I MIGHT AS WELL TELL YOU."

SO I THOUGHT O.K., GREAT.

SO I TOOK OUT MY PEN AND I GOT

THE PAPER TO START WRITING STUFF

DOWN, AND HE SAID TO ME,

"BUT PAT, WHEN I TELL YOU WHAT

I'M GONNA TELL YOU, FIRST OF ALL

YOU PROBABLY WILL HATE ME."

I SAID, "JEFF..." [CHUCKLES]

"I'VE SEEN A LOT OF EVIL STUFF,

RIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING YOU HAVE

DONE THAT WOULD FREAK ME OUT,

RIGHT," I SAID, "I'VE TALKED TO

A LOT OF MURDERERS."

I SAID, "BESIDES THAT, I DON'T

BELIEVE IN JUDGING PEOPLE.

WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT

GOD," AND I SAID, "I'M NOT HERE

TO JUDGE YOU.

THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

I'M HERE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM."

AND THEN HE SAID, "WELL, WHEN I

TELL YOU THIS, PAT, YOU'LL BE

FAMOUS."

FAMOUS." [♪...]

[♪...]

>> Woman: NOW YOU'RE GONNA WANNA

STOP BY, HAVE ME TIGHTEN,

REALIGN THOSE FOR YA.

THAT'LL HELP KEEP 'EM

PROBLEM-FREE.

>> O.K.

>> Woman: ALL RIGHT?

>> THANKS A LOT.

>> Woman: OH, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, BACK TO YOU.

[DOOR SENSOR DINGS]

[DOOR SENSOR DINGS] [♪...]

[♪...]

>> Kennedy: HE SAID, "IF I'M

GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT,

I MIGHT AS WELL START AT THE

BEGINNING."

AND THAT'S WHEN I TOOK OUT MY

PEN TO WRITE DOWN, AND THAT'S

WHEN HE STARTED TELLING ME ABOUT

HIS FIRST HOMICIDE BACK IN BATH,

OHIO, 13 YEARS PREVIOUS, WHEN HE

WAS 18 YEARS OLD.

SO I PUT MY PEN DOWN, AND THEN

HE TOLD ME ABOUT GOING TO

OHIO STATE.

HE GOES, "I ALREADY MENTIONED

THAT," BUT HE MENTIONED THAT

WHEN HE CAME HERE HE STARTED

TALKING ABOUT HIS SECOND VICTIM

AT THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL THAT HE

DRUGGED AND BEAT TO DEATH,

BUT HE DIDN'T REMEMBER.

AND THEN HE WENT INTO, LIKE,

TWO OR THREE OTHER, UH, VICTIMS

THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND I

DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING DOWN

BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVED HE WAS

BULLSHIT, RIGHT?

THAT HE WAS, UH...

TRULY INSANE, RIGHT?

THAT HE WAS GONNA- HE HADN'T

EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE HEAD IN

THE REFRIGERATOR, WHICH IS ALL

I REALLY CARED ABOUT, RIGHT?

>> LET'S SEE, WE HAD TWO...

THREE... SEVEN-- I BELIEVE WE

HAD SEVEN SKULLS, FIVE

SKELETONS, UM... AND THEN, UM,

SOME DISSECTED HANDS AND THEN

PHOTOGRAPHS.

>> SO I WENT OUT TO GET COFFEE,

AND THEN THIS GUY CAME TO ME

AGAIN.

HE SAID, "PAT, IS HE TALKING?"

AND I SAID, "WELL, YEAH,

HE'S TALKING NOW."

I SAID, 'BUT HE'S TELLING ME

HE'S KILLED LIKE THREE OR FOUR

PEOPLE AND HE HASN'T EVEN TALKED

TO ME ABOUT THE HEAD IN THE

REFRIGERATOR.

I THINK HE'S INSANE.

I THINK HE'S A BULLSHITTER."

AND THAT'S WHEN LIEUTENANT VAHL

LOOKED AT ME AND GOES, "NO, NO,

PAT," YOU KNOW, "MIKE CALLED.

THEY FOUND SIX HEADS IN THE

FREEZER AND THEY GOT BODY PARTS

AND PENISES."

AND I SAID, "YOU-- WHAT?"

HE GOES, "NO, THERE'S MANY MORE

THAN ONE VICTIM IN THIS, PAT."

I SAID- SO I WENT BACK IN WITH

A WHOLE NEW ATTITUDE, RIGHT?

AND I TOOK MY PEN OUT AND I

SAID, "WELL, LET'S START OVER

AGAIN, JEFF.

LET'S START BACK... [LAUGHS]

WITH BATH, OHIO."

>> HOW'S IT GOING?

>> GOOD.

CAN I GET A BOTTLE OF RUM, TOO?

>> SURE.

>> CHEAP ONE DOWN THERE.

>> THIS ONE? >> YEAH.

THANKS.

>> THIS GONNA BE IT? >> YEP.

[REGISTER BEEPS]

>> $10.75.

>> CAN I WRITE A CHECK?

>> YEAH, THAT'LL WORK.

>> HEY, HOW YOU DOING TONIGHT?

>> GOOD.

WE JUST WANTED TO GET A ROOM.

>> A DOUBLE OR SINGLE?

>> UH, DOUBLE.

>> O.K.

THAT'LL BE $38.50.

IS THAT FOR ONE NIGHT?

>> YEP. >> O.K.

>> YEP. >> O.K. [FOOTSTEPS CLIMBING STAIRS...]

[FOOTSTEPS CLIMBING STAIRS...]

>> Dahmer: SO YOU EVER BEEN HERE

BEFORE?

>> UH, I THINK, LIKE, ONCE,

BUT I WAS, LIKE, 12 OR 13,

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> DID YOU STAY OVERNIGHT?

>> UH, DID I STAY OVERNIGHT?

I THINK SO-- LIKE, SOMETHING MY

PARENTS WERE DOING-- EVEN THOUGH

WE LIVE HERE THEY LIKE TO DO ALL

THOSE CRAZY THINGS SOMETIMES.

>> I'VE ONLY EATEN HERE.

>> YEAH, IT SEEMS NICE ENOUGH,

THOUGH.

THOUGH. [PHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE]

[PHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE]

>> THERE WAS THIS LARGE, BLUE,

UH, CONTAINER THAT WAS IN

THE CORNER, AND WHEN WE MOVED

THAT AROUND, IT KIND OF SLOSHED

BACK AND FORTH, SO WE KNEW THAT

THERE WAS SOME FLUID IN THERE,

BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT

WAS IN IT.

UM, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN

THAT AT THE SCENE, NOR-- AND I

HAD, UM, I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT

TRANSPORTING THAT OURSELVES.

I HAD A VISION THAT WE WOULD

DROP IT OR SOMEHOW IT WOULD BE

SEEN ON TV.

WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT

REMOVING DECEDENTS FROM CRIME

SCENES AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S

DONE IN A SENSITIVE WAY, AND

THAT WE DON'T DISRUPT THE BODY,

OR HAVE CAUSE TO, YOU KNOW,

DROP IT OR LOSE CONTROL.

WHEN I TURNED TO THE

LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I SAID

"WELL, YOU KNOW, CALL

THE HAZMAT."

THEY SAID, "WELL, WE REALLY

DON'T HAVE ONE.

WE CONTRACT WITH THEM."

AND I SAID, "WELL, WE NEED THEM

DOWN HERE," AND SO IT TURNED OUT

THAT THERE WAS JUST THESE TWO

YOUNG GUYS.

THEY WERE IN THEIR EARLY 20s.

IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE,

YOU KNOW, TOTALLY UNPREPARED FOR

WHAT THEY WERE SEEING, BUT THEY

REALLY ROSE TO THE OCCASION

AND THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS THE LAST

THING THAT THEY HAD THOUGHT

THEY WERE GONNA BE INVOLVED IN

THAT NIGHT.

>> Man: LT. ROOSEVELT HARRELL.

UH, WE'RE INVESTIGATING A

HOMICIDE AT THE 900 BLOCK OF

NORTH 25th STREET IN AN

APARTMENT BUILDING.

UH, WE HAVE TAKEN EVIDENCE OUT

OF THE BUILDING BY THE MEDICAL

EXAMINER.

WE DO HAVE ONE SUSPECT IN

CUSTODY.

THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY

THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL

HOMICIDES...

>> FROM THERE, WE TALKED UNTIL

ABOUT 10:30 THE NEXT MORNING.

AND BY THAT TIME HE HAD GIVEN ME

THE BASIC RUNDOWN OF 15 VICTIMS.

>> Bass: I WAS TRYING TO

COMPREHEND WHAT WAS GOING ON.

PUSHING MY SANITY, BECAUSE HOW

COULD HE BE DOING ALL THIS

KIND OF STUFF RIGHT OVER HERE,

RIGHT IN THE MIDST WHERE THERE

ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU

GOT-- NEIGHBORS, YOU GOT

SENIOR CITIZENS LIVING

DOWNSTAIRS FROM YOU.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO WAS

BEFRIENDING YOU, AND YOU ARE

OVER HERE... CUTTING UP

HUMAN BODIES?

EATING BODY PARTS.

I HAVE EATEN A SANDWICH FROM

YOU.

I HAVE PROBABLY EATEN

SOMEONE'S BODY PART.

HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO ME?

HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO ME? [♪...]

[♪...]

[BIRDS CHIRPING, ♪...]

>> POLICE IN WISCONSIN THIS

MORNING ARE INVESTIGATING A

GRISLY DISCOVERY IN A

MILWAUKEE APARTMENT...

>> Man: POLICE HAVE FOUND SKULLS

IN THE REFRIGERATOR AND LOTS OF

DISMEMBERED BODY PARTS STUFFED

IN CABINETS AND...

>> Woman: POLICE WERE LED THERE

BY A MAN WHO TOLD THEM HE HAD

BEEN ATTACKED WITH A

BUTCHER KNIFE...

>> Man: ...HE MAY HAVE KILLED AS

MANY AS 18 PEOPLE, MOST OF THEM

MALE.

MALE. [PHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE...]

[PHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE...]

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE IN

YOUR PARTY?

ALL RIGHT.

AND, O.K., SO WILL THAT BE A,

UH, SMOKING ROOM, OR A

NON-SMOKING ROOM?

O.K., UH, YES.

AND CAN I GET YOUR LAST NAME?

[♪...]

>> Bass: THAT NEXT DAY,

I DON'T WANNA TALK TO NOBODY.

I DON'T WANNA SEE NOBODY.

I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO TALK TO

MY HUSBAND AT THAT TIME.

I REMEMBER HE HAD GOTTEN UP AND

WENT TO WORK AND LEFT ME BY

MYSELF IN THIS HOUSE, WITH ALL

THESE BODY PARTS STACKED UP

AROUND MY DOOR.

THE WHOLE APARTMENT BUILDING WAS

IN TERROR.

[GENERAL CONVERSATION]

>> I'M DR. JEFFREY JENTZEN.

UH, J-E-N-T-Z-E-N, THE MEDICAL

EXAMINER.

AT THE PRESENT TIME, THE

PERSONNEL FROM THE MEDICAL

EXAMINER'S OFFICE ARE CONTINUING

TO ATTEMPT TO ESTABLISH THE

IDENTIFICATION.

WE HAVE AT THIS TIME, THE, UM,

ESTABLISHED THERE ARE 11 BODIES,

VICTIMS THAT WERE RECOVERED FROM

THE APARTMENT.

THESE CONSIST OF...

I THINK IT WAS HARD TO COME TO

REALIZATIONS AT THAT TIME...

>> Reporter:

>> UM, I WOULDN'T WANT--

I COULDN'T COMMENT ON THAT

ASPECT.

>> Reporter:

>> UH, AGAIN, THERE'S NOT

ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE

INCONSISTENT...

WHEN WE TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AT

SCENES, WE DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN

YOU GO TO A CRIME SCENE, YOU

CAN'T POSSIBLY PROCESS ALL THE

INFORMATION YOU'RE SEEING.

YOU BECOME SOMEWHAT MYOPIC.

THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION

AND THERE WAS SO MUCH EVIDENCE,

IT WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND

PUT EVERYTHING INTO PERSPECTIVE.

AND SO WE USE PHOTOGRAPHS SO WE

CAN GO BACK OVER THEM AND LOOK

AT THE EVIDENCE AGAIN AND AGAIN

AND AGAIN AND MAKE JUDGMENTS

AND SEE THINGS AGAIN FOR

THE FIRST TIME.

[♪...]

>> WHEN I GOT HOME I WAS VERY

EXCITED, RIGHT?

VERY EXCITED.

UM, AND AS I WALKED IN THE FRONT

DOOR, MY WIFE WAS SITTING ON THE

EDGE OF THE COUCH, WATCHING THE

TV, WHICH WAS JUST BLARING AT

NOTHING BUT DAHMER, DAHMER,

DAHMER, AND... [INHALES]

YOU COULD TELL SHE WAS VISIBLY

SHOOK UP.

AND THE FIRST THING SHE SAID TO

ME WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR

IS, "PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE NOT

INVOLVED IN THIS."

AND I SAID, "WHAT, ARE YOU

KIDDING?"

I SAID, "I'M THE MAN."

I SAID, "I GOT THE CONFESSION."

I SAID, "I'M IN THE MIDDLE

OF THIS."

I SAID, "I'M GOING DAY SHIFT.

I'M GOING BACK TO TALK TO HIM

TOMORROW."

OH, AND... AT THE TIME I DIDN'T

WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT IT, RIGHT?

I MEAN, IT CAUSED QUITE A BIT OF

STRAIN, AND SHE REALLY DIDN'T

WANT ME TO TALK TO THE KIDS

ABOUT IT, WHICH I DIDN'T WANT TO

BUT IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS,

SO YOU REALLY COULDN'T GET AWAY

FROM IT.

>> Man: HE'S CONFESSED TO

PERHAPS SOME OF THE MOST

GRUESOME MURDERS IN UNITED

STATES HISTORY...

>> Jentzen: THE NEXT DAY WHEN I

WAS OPENING THE BLUE CONTAINER,

I STARTED REMOVING DECOMPOSING

SKELETONS, AND, UH, IT WAS--

IT WAS RATHER, UM, UNSETTLING

TO BE REMOVING, YOU KNOW, THREE

SKELETONS FROM THAT CONTAINER.

>> HE HAD ASKED TO SEE ME THAT

NEXT DAY 'CAUSE THEY ASKED HIM

OR SOMETHING, "DID YOU WANT TO

SEE SOMEONE?"

AND HE HAD SAID THAT, "WELL, I'D

LIKE TO TALK TO MY NEIGHBOR."

AND I SAID, "I'M NOT GOING

DOWN THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO HIM.

HE WASN'T MY FRIEND."

YOU KNOW, HE WAS-- HE JUST

USED ME LIKE HE USED EVERYONE.

YOU KNOW, SO, YOU ARE SO ALONE.

[♪...]

>> BEFORE JEFF WAS PUT IN A CELL

I HAD MADE A DEAL WITH HIM THAT

HE WOULD NOT TALK TO A LAWYER

UNTIL HE HELPED ME IDENTIFY

ALL THE VICTIMS.

>> ...THAT SEEMS STRIKING TO ME

IS HIS WILLINGNESS-- AND HIS

ATTORNEY'S WILLINGNESS-- TO

DISCUSS THE DETAILS OF THE CASE.

>> ALL WE'VE HEARD SO FAR- AND

THEY ARE GRISLY DETAILS INDEED--

THOSE ARE ONLY THE SURFACE

DETAILS.

THOSE ARE ONLY THE BROADEST...

>> AS AN INVESTIGATOR, WHEN

SOMEONE IS PUT BACK IN A JAIL

CELL, YOU CAN'T JUST GO AND TALK

TO 'EM THE NEXT DAY.

THAT'S AGAINST THEIR

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN TALK TO

YOU IS IF THEY REQUESTTO TALK

TO YOU.

AND THIS GIVES A LITTLE INSIGHT

INTO THE RELATIONSHIP THAT I

BUILT WITH JEFFREY, AND THE FACT

THAT HE BOUGHT INTO THIS

RELATIONSHIP AS HIS MEANS OF

SALVATION.

>> Bass: NO ONE COULD SLEEP IN

THEIR OWN APARTMENT.

NO ONE CLOSED THEIR DOORS.

THAT NEXT NIGHT WE WERE ALL

LIKE, OH, MY GOD, WHERE ARE WE

GONNA SLEEP AT?

WELL, EVERYBODY, LET'S JUST

GO DOWN AND SLEEP IN THE FRONT.

SO WE HAD A BIG AREA WHERE THE

ELEVATORS COME UP ON THE FLOORS.

EVERYBODY WENT UP TO THE FRONT

OF THE BUILDING IN THEIR PAJAMAS

WITH THEIR PILLOWS AND THEIR

BLANKETS AND LAID IN THE FLOOR.

THERE WAS GLASS ALL ON THE ONE

SIDE THERE, SO YOU COULD SEE

OUTSIDE, BUT ALL YOU COULD SEE

OUTSIDE WERE PEOPLE.

ON THE STREET, ON THE LAWNS.

THEY WERE CAMPING OUT.

THEY WERE JUST EVERYWHERE.

>> ...TO TAKE THEIR PICTURES OR

JUST STARE.

>> Man: ...OF GAWKERS IS ONLY

PART OF THE PAIN FOR THESE

PEOPLE... >> Man: ...PLANNING TO

MOVE BECAUSE THEIR LIVES AND

THEIR HOME BECOME A SICK TOURIST

ATTRACTION. >> Man: ...MANY ARE

INTENT ON MOVING.

IT'S AN OPTION THAT, FOR THE

SHORT TERM, SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.

>> I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.

I'M, REALLY, I'M JUST TIRED.

>> AND I HAD HAD A COUCH THAT

JEFF HAD GAVE ME, THIS RED

COUCH.

SO I HAD THE COUCH IN MY HOUSE,

AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE

WILLING TO PAY 50 BUCKS TO COME

IN AND SIT ON MY COUCH.

OR THIS OTHER GUY HAD A GLASS

THAT JEFF HAD DRANK SOME WATER

OUT OF.

THESE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY

PAYING JUST TO HOLD IT.

>> I'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. [♪...]

[♪...]

THANKS FOR WAITING.

>> Taxi driver: NO PROBLEM.

>> Kennedy: AT THE END OF THAT

THIRD DAY OF TALKING TO HIM

BEFORE HE WAS GONNA GO INTO

COURT, HE SAID TO ME, YOU KNOW,

"I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED.

I MEAN, I HAVE TO GO TO COURT

TOMORROW," AND HE ALREADY KNEW

BY THEN THAT THERE WAS NEWS

MEDIA ALL OVER THE PLACE 'CAUSE

I WAS BRINGING PAPER-- "HEY,

LOOK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT

YOU,"-- EVERY DAY I'D BRING THE

PAPER IN, RIGHT?

HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT,

YOU KNOW, THAT HE LOOKED ALL

GREASY AND FUNKY, AND "AM I

GONNA HAVE TO GO IN THIS

PAPER DRESS SUIT?" AND...

>> LOOK AT HIM.

UH, THIS PICTURE WE HAVE OF

JEFFREY DAHMER IS 1982, SO IT'LL

BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW HIS

APPEARANCE HAS CHANGED IN THE

INTERVENING YEARS.

HE WILL BE APPEARING IN A

COURTROOM HERE...

>> Kennedy: SO I WENT HOME THAT

NIGHT AND I HAD- MY OLDEST BOY

AT THE TIME WAS A SOPHOMORE IN

HIGH SCHOOL AND HE WAS DAMN NEAR

6'1", 6'2", 185 POUNDS.

UM, SO I ASKED HIM, I SAID,

"HEY, PAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY-

A SHIRT AND SOME PANTS THAT YOU

DON'T LIKE?"

AND OF COURSE HE PULLED OUT THIS

BLUE STRIPED SHIRT AND HE GOES,

"YEAH, THIS ONE YOU GAVE ME FOR

CHRISTMAS THAT I WILL NEVER

WEAR," HE GOES, "YEAH, YOU CAN

HAVE THISONE," AND ALSO HE HAD

A PAIR OF BLACK JEANS THAT HE

GAVE ME, RIGHT?

SO, THE NEXT DAY WHEN I WENT IN,

AS WE WERE PREPARING FOR COURT,

I GAVE THOSE TO JEFFREY DAHMER,

AND HE PUT 'EM ON.

>> Man: THERE'S JEFFREY DAHMER,

THE MAN IN THE STRIPED SHIRT

IS THE DEFENDANT.

HE IS- THIS APPARENTLY A PART

OF HIS DECISION TO, AS HE PUT

IT, TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH...

>> Kennedy: THAT'S THE SHIRT

THAT IS ON PEOPLEMAGAZINE, THE

BLUE AND WHITE STRIPED SHIRT

WHERE PEOPLE SAY, "OH, LOOK HOW

HE'S DRESSED LIKE A TENNIS

PLAYER," AND THEY MADE ALL THESE

ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HIS CHOICE,

BUT THAT WAS MY SON'S SHIRT

AND PANTS THAT HE WORE THERE.

>> Man: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> Kennedy: THEY TOOK HIM BACK

INTO THE JUDGE'S CHAMBERS AND

THEIR INDIVIDUAL CELL WHERE THEY

HOLD PRISONERS.

HE STARTED TO GET OUT OF THOSE

CLOTHES AND GET IN- 'CAUSE NOW

HE'S GONNA GO OVER TO THE COUNTY

SO HE'S PUTTING ON HIS ORANGE

JUMPSUIT.

HE TRIED TO HAND ME BACK THE

SHIRT AND THE PANTS.

AND AT THE TIME I SAID, "NAH,

JEFF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S

ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN KEEP 'EM."

>> I WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE AT

THE GROCERY STORE, AND THIS MAN

SPOTTED ME IN A CAR AND HE HAD

ALL THESE CARS COME AROUND ME.

AND THESE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO

TALK TO ME THAT THEY WERE-

THEY SAID, "WE ARE VICTIMS.

HE KILLED MY BROTHER," OR "HE

KILLED MY SON" AND ALL OF THIS,

AND I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO

THEM, "WELL, I HAD NOTHING TO DO

WITH IT.

YOU SHOULD BE TELLING THIS TO

YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR TO

YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

WHY ARE YOU BLAMING US?"

YOU KNOW, OR, "WHY ARE YOU

BLAMING ME?

WELL, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING,"

YOU KNOW, AND THEY SAID,

"WELL, THAT'S IT!"

TO ME, IT WAS PROBABLY THAT THEY

JUST WANTED SOMETHING, JUST-

"I GOTTA PUT THIS ON SOMEBODY."

THEY WERE LOOKING AT ME AS NOT

A VICTIM TOO, BECAUSE I HAD

SAID, "I WAS A VICTIM, TOO,

JUST LIKE YOU'RE A VICTIM."

JUST LIKE YOU'RE A VICTIM." [BIRDS CHIRPING]

[BIRDS CHIRPING]

>> YEP, I GOT IT.

OH-- GOOD MORNING, SIR.

>> Dahmer: HI.

>> Dahmer: HI. [FOOTSTEPS CLIMBING STAIRS...]

[FOOTSTEPS CLIMBING STAIRS...]

>> GOOD MORNING. >> HI.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> HI. [TV PLAYS IN BACKGROUND...]

[TV PLAYS IN BACKGROUND...]

[TV PLAYS IN BACKGROUND...] [SUITCASE THUMPS DOWN STAIRS]

[SUITCASE THUMPS DOWN STAIRS]

>> GOOD MORNING, SIR.

>> HI.

JUST LIKE TO CHECK OUT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. O.K.

O.K.

AND HOW WAS EVERYTHING?

>> GOOD.

>> GREAT.

>> Bass: YOU KNOW, LIKE,

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THIS

WAS WHAT WAS HAPPENING?

AND LIKE THEY WERE SAYING,

"WELL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE

CALLED THE POLICE OR CALLED THE

HEALTH DEPARTMENT."

WE CALLED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THEY CAME OUT, THEY CHECKED-

OF COURSE JEFF WASN'T HOME.

POLICE- WE CALLED THE POLICE.

THEY'D COME DOWN THERE AND,

"WELL, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN

DO. WE CAN'T GO IN THIS MAN'S

HOUSE."

AND HE HAD ALL THESE LOCKS ON

HIS DOOR.

LIKE HE HAD SIX OTHER LOCKS THAT

HE HAD PUT ON HIS DOOR AND

STUFF, SO THEY WEREN'T GONNA

GO IN THERE, YOU KNOW.

THEY WERE LIKE, "THIS GUY AIN'T

BOTHERING NOBODY," YOU KNOW,

"LET'S GO.

HE'S NOT DOING NOTHING.

LOOK AT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING."

LOOK AT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING." [SIRENS WAIL IN DISTANCE...]

[SIRENS WAIL IN DISTANCE...]

>> Kennedy: THEY BROUGHT IN THIS

GUY NAMED DENNIS MURPHY,

A CRUSTY OLD PRICK FROM THE

DAY SHIFT, RIGHT?

EXCELLENT HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR.

HIM AND I WERE ALWAYS TOGETHER,

TAKING HIM BACK AND FORTH, FOR

SAFETY REASONS, AS WELL, BUT

ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE

"T"s WERE CROSSED AND ALL THE

"I"s WERE DOTTED 'CAUSE I WAS A

ROOKIE HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.

AND THE PLAN WAS TO IDENTIFY

EACH AND EVERY VICTIM.

>> ...EVIDENCE COLLECTED AT THE

SCENE MIGHT HELP IDENTIFY

THE VICTIMS.

>> IT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.

UH, DON'T FORGET AT THIS TIME,

IN '91, THE HUMAN GENOME HAD

BEEN BROKEN DOWN BUT IT WAS NOT

READILY BEING USED IN LAW

ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR

THESE TYPE OF PURPOSES, SO WHAT

WE HAD TO DO IS TAKE INFORMATION

FROM JEFFREY DAHMER AND TRY TO

CORROBORATE IT WITH THE BODY

PARTS THAT WE FOUND IN HIS

APARTMENT.

AND LET'S NOT FORGET THAT SOME

OF HIS VICTIMS, THERE WAS NO

BODY PARTS-- HE DIDN'T SAVE

ANYTHING.

>> Jentzen: WELL, ESSENTIALLY

ALL OF THE BODIES THAT WE HAD

WERE EITHER SKELETONIZED OR HAD

BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISSECTED.

THERE WERE NO INTACT BODIES.

...WE HAD TO REMOVE THE PAINT

LACQUER FROM THE PAINTED SKULLS.

DR. STORMO WAS ABLE TO DO THAT

WITH JUST REGULAR PAINT REMOVER.

WE FOUND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO

GO OUT TO THE HARDWARE STORES TO

GET EQUIPMENT TO KIND OF WORK ON

THESE BODIES OURSELVES.

>> Kennedy: FIRST WE WOULD

DETERMINE A DATE THAT HE PICKED

HIS VICTIM.

THEN WE WOULD TAKE HIS

IDENTIFICATION OF THE VICTIM,

AND HE WOULD GIVE US RACE, SEX,

AGE, HEIGHT, WEIGHT.

AND FROM THERE WE WOULD PULL ALL

THE MISSINGS OF ANYBODY WHO FIT

THAT DESCRIPTION, A MONTH OR TWO

BEFORE THAT DATE OR A MONTH OR--

AND THEN FROM THERE, DETECTIVES

WOULD HAVE TO GO AND LOOK--

IF THEY WERE ADULTS, HAS THIS

PERSON COME BACK?

IS THIS PERSON ALIVE?

HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT

'EM, RIGHT?

AND FROM THERE WE WOULD TRY TO

GET PHOTOGRAPHIC ARRAYS, EITHER

FROM OUR OWN RECORDS IF THEY HAD

ONE, OR IF WE COULD GET IT FROM

THE FAMILY.

AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE

PHOTOGRAPHIC ARRAYS AND TAKE IN

TO JEFFREY, AND THEN HE WOULD

NARROW IT DOWN BY PICTURES.

>> Jentzen: AND SO WE CONTACTED

THE FORENSIC ODONTOLOGIST,

THOMAS JOHNSON, WHO HAD WORKED

WITH THE OFFICE FOR A LONG TIME.

SO HE WAS MAINLY INVOLVED IN

DOING THE DENTAL

IDENTIFICATIONS.

[CAMERA BATTERY RECHARGING]

ONCE WE HAD THE TEETH EXPOSED,

DR. JOHNSON WAS ABLE TO TAKE

DENTAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND X-RAYS.

AND WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF

WORKING WITH THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT AS THEY BROUGHT IN

SUSPECTED UNIDENTIFIED BODIES

OR UNIDENTIFIED PERSONS.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEIR DENTAL

RECORDS AND DR. JOHNSON STARTED

THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING

THOSE.

>> Kennedy: IT TOOK TIME, RIGHT?

IT TOOK SIX WEEKS.

BUT WE WERE ABLE TO NARROW IT

DOWN THROUGH OUTSIDE

CORROBORATION AND THROUGH THE

INFORMATION HE GAVE US AND

WORKING WITH THE MEDICAL

EXAMINER'S OFFICE, TO IDENTIFY

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE

VICTIMS.

EVEN SOME OF THE VICTIMS

EVEN SOME OF THE VICTIMS WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING.

WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING.

[CROWD SHOUTING, LAUGHING...]

[AIR HORNS BLASTING...]

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[CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING...]

[CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING...] [CROWD CHEERING..., ♪...]

[CROWD CHEERING..., ♪...]

[CROWD CHEERING..., ♪...] [CROWD WHISTLING...]

[CROWD WHISTLING...]

>> Woman: THE OFFICERS IN

QUESTION CAME IN CONTACT WITH

JEFFREY DAHMER IN MAY WHILE

RESPONDING TO A BATTERY CALL.

AT THE TIME, DAHMER TOLD POLICE

THE 14-YEAR-OLD WAS NOT A CHILD

BUT AN ADULT, AND THAT THE TWO

WERE LOVERS.

POLICE RETURNED THE BOY TO

DAHMER'S CUSTODY.

DAHMER NOW SAYS HE KILLED

THE BOY MINUTES LATER.

>> Bass: I WENT THROUGH A PERIOD

THERE WHERE I COULD NOT SLEEP.

I WOULD DRINK, LIKE, MAYBE

TWO-FIFTHS, I COULD GO TO SLEEP.

BUT I WOULD PASS OUT.

IT WAS LIKE AN UNCONSCIOUS--

YOU KNOW, JUST TO LET THE BRAIN

NOT THINK ABOUT ANYTHING,

BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT I WAS

TRYING TO GET TO.

I WAS TIRED OF THINKING ABOUT

THIS ALL THE TIME.

[COPIER WHIRS]

>> Kennedy: WHENEVER I WOULD

COME OUT OF THE INTERROGATION

ROOM DURING THOSE SIX WEEKS

THERE WAS ALWAYS DETECTIVES THAT

WOULD COME UP TO ME AND SAY,

"HEY, WHAT IS HE SAYING?"

THEY WOULD TAKE PICTURES OF

JEFFREY DAHMER IN THE PAPER AND

PICTURES OF ME FROM THE PAPER

AND SUPERIMPOSE THEM TO MAKE

LIKE A CARTOON, AND PUT IT ON

MY DESK.

[SIGHS] YOU KNOW THEY SAID

LEWD THINGS, RIGHT, LIKE I LET

HIM STROKE ME OFF, OR YOU KNOW,

THAT I ALLOWED HIM TO PERFORM...

[CHUCKLES] UH, YOU KNOW.

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[INDISTINCT CONVERSATION...]

>> Driver: THANKS, GUYS.

>> THANKS.

[PLANE ROARING OVERHEAD]

>> Bass: MY SISTER CALLED MY

MOTHER, SHE SAID, "LOOK AT TV,

MA, ISN'T THIS PAMELA'S BUILDING

IN MILWAUKEE?"

>> Woman: PUBLIC OUTCRY

FOLLOWED, ACCUSING POLICE OF

RACISM AND INSENSITIVITY

TO GAYS...

>> AND SHE SAW ALL THE SWARM OF

PEOPLE AROUND ME, SO SHE KNEW

THAT SHE COULDN'T-- "I CAN'T GET

TO HER."

AND I REMEMBER I FINALLY GOT

THROUGH TO HER ON THE PHONE,

SHE TOLD ME, "DON'T WATCH TV,

PAMELA.

DON'T READ NONE OF THIS."

>> AS CHIEF, BOTH I AND THE

ENTIRE DEPARTMENT MUST ACCEPT

RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE...

>> IT WAS, IT WAS JUST...

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY

ABOUT THIS THING.

THIS CITY OF MILWAUKEE TO ME

JUST LOST-- THEY CARED NOTHING

ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY

AS A WHOLE.

THEY WEREN'T SHOWING IT

BACK THEN.

[♪...]

>> Jentzen: THIS WAS A FAIRLY

UNIQUE CRIME SCENE AND AUTOPSY

FOR A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST,

BECAUSE WE HAD IMMEDIATE ACCESS

TO DAHMER.

DAHMER WAS TALKING TO AND

CONVERSING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

HE HAD BASICALLY ADMITTED HIS

GUILT AND CULPABILITY, AND WAS

ASSISTING LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE

INVESTIGATION.

WHEN WE FOUND AN INJURY, WE

WOULD CALL UP LAW ENFORCEMENT,

AND THEN THEY WOULD INQUIRE OF

DAHMER WHAT WE FOUND AND

CORROBORATE OUR FINDINGS, WHICH

IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION FOR A

FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST TO HAVE--

IMMEDIATE CONFIRMATION OF WHAT

YOU'RE SEEING.

>> HE WASN'T ALWAYS FORTHCOMING

WITH EVERYTHING, BUT WHEN I

QUESTIONED HIM ON SOMETHING THAT

WE HAD FOUND OUT FROM ADDITIONAL

INFORMATION ON THE CASE, HE

WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPOUND ON IT,

AND THINGS THAT HE TOLD US,

WE WERE ABLE TO CHECK AND VERIFY

TO SEE THAT HE WAS IN FACT

TELLING THE TRUTH.

>> Jentzen: AS I WAS EXAMINING

AND DISSECTING THE CRANIUM OR

THE HEAD AREA, I NOTICED THAT

THERE WAS SOME HEMORRHAGE AROUND

A HOLE THAT HAD BEEN DRILLED IN

THE SKULL.

AND HEMORRHAGE IN A FORENSIC

SENSE MEANS THAT AN INJURY

OCCURRED WHEN THERE WAS A BLOOD

PRESSURE.

WHEN A PERSON IS INJURED AND

THEY'RE IN A POST-MORTEM STATE

OR AFTER THEIR HEART STOPS

BEATING, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF

BLOOD THAT GETS PUSHED INTO

THE TISSUE.

BUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS

HEMORRHAGE AROUND THE AREA LED

ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT MAY HAVE

BEEN AN INJURY THAT HAD BEEN,

UH, INCURRED BEFORE DEATH.

AND SO I EXAMINED THE BRAIN

TISSUE AND I DID FIND THAT THERE

WAS A WOUND TRACT, OR A TRACK

THROUGH THE BRAIN TISSUE THAT

LOOKED HEMORRHAGIC.

AND SO I RECOVERED THAT AREA,

PHOTOGRAPHED IT, AND THEN LOOKED

AT IT UNDER THE MICROSCOPE, AND

WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT THERE WAS

AN INFLAMMATION IN THAT TRACK.

AND SO WHEN WE SEE INFLAMMATION

THAT MEANS THAT THERE WAS A TIME

FACTOR THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE

TIME OF OBTAINING THE INJURY,

AND THE TIME THE PERSON DIED.

>> Kennedy: DR. JENTZEN WAS

CONCERNED-- "WELL, HOW DID THESE

HOLES GET INTO PEOPLES' SKULLS?"

JEFF, ALTHOUGH HE TOLD US HE WAS

CUTTING OPEN PEOPLE AND

DISPOSING OF THE BODY, HE DIDN'T

TELL US THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING

TO CREATE A ZOMBIE UNTIL WE

PRESENTED HIM WITH THE EVIDENCE

THAT THERE WAS WHAT APPEARED TO

BE HOLES DRILLED INTO THE TOP OF

THESE SKULLS.

>> WE LOOKED AT THAT WITH THE

NEUROPATHOLOGIST WHO WAS AN

EXPERT IN BRAIN ANATOMY AND

TISSUE, AND WE MADE THE

DIAGNOSIS THAT THIS INJURY HAD

BEEN INFLICTED WHILE THE PERSON

WAS ALIVE, AND THAT THE PERSON

HAD SURVIVED FOR SOME TIME

AFTER RECEIVING THAT INJURY.

>> AND HE EVEN SHOOK HIS HEAD

WHEN HE TOLD ME, HE GOES,

"IT WAS A WEIRD KIND OF A

THOUGHT I HAD THAT I COULD

CREATE SOMEONE WHO I WOULDN'T

HAVE TO GO OUT AND KILL.

I DRILLED IN THEIR HEADS AND I

EXPERIMENTED WITH DIFFERENT

THINGS."

HE GOES, "I WOULD GO DOWN ABOUT

A QUARTER OF AN INCH WITH A

QUARTER-INCH DRILL BIT.

AND THEN I WOULD FILL UP A

BASTING NEEDLE.

I TRIED FIRST A MIXTURE OF

SOILEX AND HOT WATER.

I THOUGHT IF I SHOT THAT IN

THERE, IT MIGHT AFFECT PART OF

THE BRAIN THAT WOULD STOP THEM

FROM TALKING, AND STOP THEM FROM

BEING DEMANDING, BUT JUST BEING

ALIVE, BEING A DOCILE

SEX PARTNER.

HOWEVER, EVERYONE I TRIED IT

WITH DIED EVENTUALLY."

[RAPID BREATHING, ♪...]

[ELECTRIC WHIRRING...]

[WHIRRING, MUSIC END]

[KNOCKING ON DOOR]

>> Bass: IT WAS ALL UP IN THE

AIR ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE GONNA

DO WITH THE BUILDING.

FIRST IT WAS "WE'RE GONNA SELL

THE BUILDING" OR "WE'RE GONNA

KEEP THE BUILDING."

BUT AT THE END, THEY TORE THAT

BUILDING DOWN SO QUICK IT WAS

LIKE YOU BLINKED YOUR EYES

AND IT WAS GONE.

ME AND THIS OLDER GUY, WE WERE

THE LAST TWO TO LEAVE, BECAUSE

HE SAID HE WASN'T GOING.

HE HAD BEEN THERE FOR LIKE

TWENTY-SOME YEARS.

AND HE SAID, "THEY'RE TAKING

AWAY MY HOUSE, ALL BECAUSE THIS

STUFF HAPPENED?

THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING

TO DO WITH ME.

I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, SO I'M NOT

GOING ANYWHERE."

HE TRIED TO STAY THERE RIGHT UP

UNTIL THE END.

THEY NEEDED POLICE TO ESCORT HIM

OUT OF THERE.

>> PART OF GETTING HIM TO

CONFESS AND PERFORMING THIS,

THIS SERVICE FOR THE PEOPLE OF

MILWAUKEE PUT ME IN INTIMATE

RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS GUY,

WHERE I ACTUALLY FORMED A

RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS GUY,

RIGHT? WHERE I ACTUALLY STARTED

TO FEEL SORRY FOR THE PRICK,

RIGHT? I MEAN, HE WAS A

PATHETIC GUY, RIGHT?

I MEAN, UH, I FELT BAD FOR HIM,

AND I FELT BADTHAT I FELT BAD

FOR HIM, RIGHT?

LIKE, HERE'S A-- WHY DO I HAVE

EMPATHY FOR THIS GUY?

AND WHAT IS IT IN ME THAT MAKES

ME RELATE TO THIS GUY, RIGHT?

AND ALL THE JOKES THAT PEOPLE

MADE, WHICH I BRUSHED OFF,

I GUESS AT THAT POINT I KIND OF

STARTED THINKING ABOUT

THOSE THINGS.

>> Man: THE ENTIRE CONFESSION IS

GONNA TO BE TALKED ABOUT BY

DETECTIVE KENNEDY.

AND I ASK YOU IF YOU LOOK AT

THAT BRIEFLY...

>> Kennedy: ALL MY ENERGIES WENT

INTO IT.

I REMEMBER THINKING A COUPLE OF

TIMES, YOU KNOW, JEFF-- WHEN HE

WOULD TALK ABOUT GOING ON THE

HUNT FOR SOMEBODY PLEASURABLE

AND ATTRACTIVE, AND HOW, WHEN HE

GOT AWAY WITH IT, IT GAVE HIM

MORE POWER AND MADE HIM FEEL

BETTER AND, UH...

IT WASN'T TILL LATER ON WHEN

I THOUGHT, WELL, THERE ARE--

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH,

PARALLELS GOING ON IN MY OWN

PERSONAL LIFE.

I MEAN, I HAD MOVED OUT OF THE

HOUSE, UM, AFTER 18 YEARS OF

BEING MARRIED.

UH... THERE'S NUMEROUS

OPPORTUNITIES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT

FOR PROMISCUITY ANYWAYS, UH,

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

UM, AND THEN WITH SOME OF THE

ADDITIONAL INTEREST IN THIS

CASE, AT LEAST LOCALLY, FOR A

TIME PEOPLE RECOGNIZED MY FACE.

>> Man: JEFFREY DAHMER?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.

>> Man: AND AS FAR AS YOU'RE

CONCERNED YOU'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY

TO LOOK AT THIS CONFESSION...

>> Kennedy: "HEY, YOU'RE THAT

DAHMER DUDE."

AND THEN THEY SAID, "HEY, LOOK,

EVERYBODY, OVER HERE."

THIS IS THAT DAHMER DETECTIVE."

AND THEN ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE

SWARMED AROUND ME AND WERE

PATTING ME ON THE BACK, AND

I REMEMBER I WAS LIKE, "WHOA,

THIS IS REALLY WEIRD."

>> THEY GAVE EVERYONE THE CHOICE

OF MOVING TO HOUSING--

HOUSING PROJECTS.

SO YOU GOT TO PICK WHICH ONE

YOU MOVED TO, AND I MOVED TO

PARK LAWN.

AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHEN THEY

FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE, IT JUST

STARTED ALL OVER AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, OR PEOPLE WERE TRYING

TO BEFRIEND ME THAT WERE JUST

TRYING TO SEE IF I HAD ANYTHING

THAT THEY COULD GET THAT THEY

COULD SELL.

OR MAYBE GET A STORY OUT OF YOU

THAT I CAN TELL.

[LOUD THUMPING]

JUST TO SAY, "WELL, HEY,

I MET HER.

I KNOW HER."

>> Hazmat: KEEP GOING.

NEXT.

>> Man: YOU MAY REMEMBER, JOHN,

BACK IN THE VERY EARLY '90s,

THE JEFFREY DAHMER CASE IN

MILWAUKEE.

TOOK A DOZEN YOUNG MEN OVER

TIME INTO HIS APARTMENT,

CUT 'EM UP, PUT 'EM IN A VAT,

YOU KNOW, ABUSED THEM,

TORTURED THEM, UH, ATE THEM.

CANNIBALISM.

UH, IF YOU HAD HIS RAINCOAT

RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, WOULD YOU

WANT TO PUT IT ON?

>> Man on phone: Uh...

No, I wouldn't wantto put it

on, but, uh...

>> Man: WHY NOT?

IT'S JUST A RAINCOAT.

>> It is.

It's just-- and maybe, you know,

that's probably, maybe some

residual brain activity there,

um...

>> Hazmat: COMING DOWN.

>> Man: THE WAY I USUALLY DO

THIS DEMONSTRATION IN PUBLIC IS

I OFFER, YOU KNOW, 50 BUCKS,

YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WILL PUT ON

AN OLD SWEATER OR CARDIGAN--

OF A KILLER.

BUT I DON'T TELL 'EM IT'S

A KILLER.

>> Man 2: OOH. >> Man 1: SO ALL

THE HANDS SHOOT UP.

BUT THEN I SAY, "WOULD YOU STILL

WEAR IT IF IT BELONGED TO

JEFFREY DAHMER?"

AND MOST HANDS RAPIDLY

COME DOWN.

YOU MAKE THIS INSTANT DECISION.

IT'S AS IF YOUR EMOTIONS ARE

KICKING IN.

AND OF COURSE THERE'S NO KIND OF

SCIENTIFIC-- OR THERE'S NOTHING

IN THE CLOTH, BUT

PSYCHOLOGICALLY WE DO HAVE THIS

IDEA THAT THE ESSENCE OF SOMEONE

EVIL COULD ALMOST CONTAMINATE

THE PHYSICAL WORLD.

AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY

PERVASIVE AND VERY POWERFUL

INTUITION.

INTUITION. [♪...]

[♪...]

>> Bass: IT WAS LIKE EVERYTHING

STARTED COMING TOGETHER.

I STARTED TO GET A COMPLETE

PICTURE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON

DOWN THERE, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T

WANT TO SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO

HORRIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO IMAGINE.

YOU WOULD THINK IF SOMEONE ASKED

YOU TO WRITE A HORROR STORY,

THIS WOULD BE SOME OF THE STUFF

THAT YOU WOULD WRITE.

AND... HE, HE LIVED IT, AND HE

MADE US PARTICIPATE IN IT.

>> [CLEARS THROAT] THANK YOU.

[SHIVERS] WHEW.

ON SATURDAY IT TOOK A JURY ONLY

FIVE HOURS TO FIND THAT JEFFREY

DAHMER WAS SANE ON ALL

15 COUNTS OF MURDER...

>> Kennedy: AFTER HE WAS FOUND

GUILTY AND WAS GONNA BE

REPRIMANDED TO THE STATE, I WENT

BACK TO SAY GOOD-BYE TO HIM.

UM, AND I SHOOK HIS HAND, I SAID

GOOD-BYE, AND HE SAID-- HE GOES,

"PAT, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY GONNA

MISS TALKING TO YOU.

I'M GONNA MISS YOU."

AND I SAID, "YEAH, YEAH, JEFF."

AT THE TIME I WAS KIND OF

MAKING LIGHT OF IT.

[♪...]

IT SOUNDS WEIRD NOW TALKING

ABOUT IT 19 YEARS LATER, BUT AT

THE TIME IT WAS... IT WAS LIKE

THE CULMINATION OF EVERYTHING,

RIGHT? SO IT TURNS OUT THAT

YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS

REALLY BIG CASE WHERE YOU'RE

BEING TREATED LIKE...

A FREAKING KING, RIGHT?

PEOPLE ARE PATTING YOU ON THE

BACK AND TELLING YOU WHAT A

GREAT JOB YOU'RE DOING, AND

YOU'RE DAY SHIFT, AND, UH...

ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S OVER WITH,

AND NOW I'M JUST SITTING IN THIS

ONE-ROOM EFFICIENCY APARTMENT

DOWNTOWN, WITH NO FURNITURE

AND NO FRIENDS, IT'S GETTING

DARK OUT, AND IT'S MY BIRTHDAY,

RIGHT?

UH, I DON'T THINK I HAD A PHONE

SET UP YET EITHER, RIGHT, SO I

COULDN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, TALK TO

MY KIDS ON THE PHONE.

THAT NIGHT I DID HAVE A TIME TO

KIND OF, UH...

I GUESS I'M KIND OF EMBARRASSED

TO SAY... [CHUCKLES]

I DID KIND OF, LIKE, BREAK DOWN

I DID KIND OF, LIKE, BREAK DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

A LITTLE BIT.

>> I WAS INCARCERATED AT THAT

TIME.

I WAS IN JAIL, I THINK DOING

TIME FOR A TICKET OR SOMETHING.

SO I REMEMBER BEING IN JAIL,

AND IT CAME ON TV THAT, UM,

JEFFREY DAHMER AND THE ANDERSON

GUY HAD BEEN BEATEN AND KILLED,

AND EVERYBODY STOOD UP AND

CHEERED AND HUGGED AND KISSED

EVERYONE.

AND I WAS SITTING THERE AND

I WAS CRYING.

AND I GOT UP AND WENT TO MY

ROOM AND LOCKED MYSELF IN

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T

UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I WAS LOOKING

AT THEM LIKE, "HOW CAN YOU

CHEER? THIS IS A LIFE."

I WAS CRYING SO UNCONTROLLABLY,

I HAD ONE OF THE POLICE GUARD

LADIES CAME IN AND SHE'S LIKE,

"PAMELA, WHAT'S GOING ON?"

SHE SAID, "OH, I KNOW WHO YOU

ARE NOW," SHE SAID, "I SEE,"

SHE SAID.

SO SHE SAID, "BUT, YOU KNOW,

YOU'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE

WHO'S CRYING FOR HIM NOW.

NOBODY ELSE IS."

>> I HAVE A HARD TIME FIGURING

WHY WOULD PEOPLE WOULD GO TO

SOME OF THESE MOVIES AND SEE,

UH, CHAINSAW MURDERS AND OTHER

TYPES OF MACABRE, UH, STORIES

AND... TALES.

I THINK THE LAST SCARY MOVIE

I SAW WAS THE EXORCIST,AND

THAT'S PROBABLY 20, 30

YEARS AGO, BUT I DON'T GO TO

SCARY MOVIES.

[♪...]

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[BIRDS SQUAWK IN DISTANCE...]

[BIRDS SQUAWK IN DISTANCE...] [♪...]

[♪...]

>> Man: ♪ THE DOCTOR CAME IN

THE MORNING ♪

♪ SHE HELD MY HAND

♪ AND ASKED WAS IT WORTH IT?

♪ COULD IT BE WORSE THAN THIS?

♪ PLEASE RECALL

♪ GIVE ME A HINT

♪ ANYTHING WILL DO

♪ IF THIS WAS THE LAST TIME

NOW YOU SHOULD TELL US

WHAT TO DO ♪

>> Duet with woman: ♪ I WAS

AFRAID, I GUESS ♪

♪ NOW I CAN'T THINK NO MORE

♪ I WAS SO CONCENTRATED

♪ ON KEEPING THINGS TOGETHER

♪ I'VE LEARNED TO FOCUS ON

♪ I DIDN'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT

♪ NOW WHERE IS EVERYBODY?

♪ IS IT STILL LIGHT OUTSIDE?

♪ IS IT STILL LIGHT OUTSIDE? [♪...]

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