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I've got a hostage situation in Indianapolis. A gunman has kidnapped his

mortgage broker.

I'm going to talk to Brett Hackman. He'll get my story out. You put him on

the air? I did. It was one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make,

but it turned out to be the interview of my life. Now, listen, Fred, because I

want an apology from M.L. Hall himself, and then I'm going to want full

immunity. I'm also going to need a couple of lawyers, John Ruckelshaus and

Charles Wilson. How would you feel about broadcasting this story nationally?

Did M.L. issue the apology?

Tony, we're working on it. Ed, it's Gene, that guy you mentioned, the

expert. I think we're going to need him. Mr. Hall, hi, this is Fred Heckman.

Hello, Mr.

Heckman.

That's it.

For Anthony Karitsis, it has been a very long day. But for mortgage man Dick

Hall, it has been even longer. Held by Karitsis for over nine...

Doesn't bother me.

Can't smoke me out.

Got food and drink for days.

There you are.

Oh, shit.

I had six beers in 1976.

Haven't had one drink since.

Don't miss it a bit.

What are you looking at?

Just thirsty.

Damn straight, baby.

Vitamin D.

I know Rick, it's for you.

While negotiators work tirelessly, there's nothing but silence behind the

walls of apartment C-308.

WIBC Radio, I'm Doug O'Brien.

Keep it surprised, Doug. It's six o'clock. We'll be back with Big Mike and

the traffic report after this.

I know it's difficult to talk about, but I have to ask again. Can you tell me

about what happened with your brother?

They have news girls at WIBC.

Yes. Really?

You were saying that you didn't want to press charges.

Because I haven't heard any female reporters do in the news. Maybe a

weather girl on TV kind of thing.

Barbara Walters.

Well,

this is my first assignment. No kidding.

I know that this must be an unimaginable situation.

You have a brother?

No. Then you don't know.

Do you have a wrench? You should go now.

A wrench. I... I know you have one.

Tony does those kind of things.

Leaky faucet, blown out bulb.

All gets magically fixed or replaced when he knows I'm gone.

Tony only wanted the money, Odin. This is a family property. He wanted to be

bought out for his land. He didn't mean it. What did he do? My brothers couldn't

agree on a price. They should have just given him the money.

Effie, what did he do?

Yes, Jerry.

Oh, I'm staring right at him.

Yeah, I will have him home to you in 30 as always.

You too.

What's the update?

Well, ML is an asshole. Really?

Yes, he's not coming home from Florida and he will not issue an apology.

For his own son?

For his own son. Do you want to roll? Yes, thank you.

Did you see me on TV?

Yes, I did.

Ralph Bass is an asshole, too. What did he do?

He said he shot deer. You're not getting a rifle. Not happening. Absolutely not.

Sorry, bud. Told ya. Shut up! Hey!

I need a permission slip for my field trip, Dad. Julie, I have been home all

day. But I want Dad to sign it.

It's not the Paris piece of cards.

Finish setting the table, please.

Thank you.

Okay.

Where's Richie? He says at the library.

Dubious. Yeah.

Huckman residence.

Hi, Ben. We're just about to sit down to eat. What are you gonna talk to him? Oh,

here he is.

Hey, what's happening?

Anything with, uh, with Ginny and Tony's sister?

No, I'm fine.

Um, well, let's see what she gets on tape, huh?

And foreclosures?

Well, yeah.

Lower income. That doesn't seem like a coincidence.

Okay, I will meet you in an hour.

Great. Bye.

Hackman residence.

Hello, Tony.

Yes, we were just about to sit down to dinner.

The wife and kids are here.

I know your power's out, Tony. I've got nothing to do with that. I'm sorry.

I will certainly tell her.

Goodbye.

He called our house.

Yes, he did.

What does he want from you?

He wanted to apologize for bothering us during dinner.

You get the phone, I'll get the door.

It's not going to be him.

Heckman residence?

Can I help you?

You're Fred Heckman.

Special Agent Cormac McNally.

Chief Gallagher called me in.

Of course. Please, come in.

Thank you.

Barb, this is, uh, Special Agent McNally from the FBI.

We need you at Meridian Mortgage. Now? Yeah, we got an email on the phone. We

were just gonna sit down for dinner. I apologize.

It's interesting.

India's a big city, but it feels like a small town.

Do you know the halls?

Well, just in passing. Yeah, we see them occasionally at church.

Mrs. Hull mostly attends during the holidays or Easter.

Sweeps week?

Yeah. Yeah, well, like you said, Indianapolis is a big city.

I guess we should get going. I'll follow you. Yeah. It's nice meeting you, Mrs.

Heckman. You too. Did you want to follow me? I took a taxi. I thought we could

drive together.

Yeah, whatever you like.

They're almost finished drafting the apology at Mardin. He spoke to M.O.?

Don't get all that started. When did the FBI get called in? Local law enforcement

wants to make use of federal expertise.

Or shall I say my expertise?

You know, Tony called my home this evening. To say what? I believe he

wanted the power restored in his apartment.

Interesting that he calls you.

Any theories?

Why he called? The most trusted man in radio.

Well, I don't know if it's my place to speculate.

That sounds like a thing Fred Hackman would say.

Does it? What is a Fred Heckman thing to say?

Modest. In that Midwestern way that belies a deep desire to be the very best

at something.

Driven.

Family man.

Doesn't suffer fools.

You got all that from a two-minute visit to my house?

Fred Heckman was born in Michigan on November 11th, 1923. Parents are Gladys

and Fred Sr.

You studied theater at college, but before you could get a degree, you

joined the Coast Guard to serve in World War II.

You were in the naval reserves in Korea where you worked as a radioman and

cryptologist. Radioman first class, actually.

You worked in radio stations in Delaware, South Carolina, Georgia, D.C.,

and then here in 1957.

You made WIBC your home for the next two decades. It's the longest you've ever

lived in one place. You want my jacket size, too? It's 42 long. I know that

before you were the age of 16, your dad had moved with the family 29 times.

That must have been hard.

Well, the FBI has an excellent research department, I'll give you that.

And fast, too, especially given the turnaround.

But there's nothing in there that I haven't said before or that hasn't been

printed in the newspaper.

But there's a story in between those lines.

What do you mean by that?

I'm trying to figure out why the subject picked you.

For whatever reason, you're the means to getting things through to Tony.

I don't know if that's true.

No, it is.

You're the conduit.

You seem very sure of how things are going to work here.

Especially given that you've never met Tony or me.

Or the Halls, for that matter. I am.

I have to be.

I'm part of the new science in law enforcement that's the wave of the

future.

I'm a forensic profiler.

Finally agree on the word encourage?

For fuck's sake. Fine. Fine.

Yeah, I think it's the best word to encompass what we're all trying to say.

Gentlemen. Fred, Special Agent McNally, welcome to the suit. Never thought at

the age of 62 I would be knee-deep in synonyms, but here we are.

Can we move to the next line?

He won't like the word encourage.

Promote. Further, um, stimulate. Definitely not stimulate.

Can I just hear what you guys have already?

Yes, sweetheart, would you read back what we have?

This statement is authorized by Mr. M.L. Hall, the chairman of the board of

Meridian Mortgage. This is a public apology to Anthony Kiritsis for all

wrongs that Meridian Mortgage have committed.

Bullshit. This involvement our company had with Eisner Osco in regards to Mr.

Kiritsis on encouraging them to... Dad says no one encouraging.

Uh, fostering? No.

Mr. Hall, we all...

I appreciate how gracious you're being during these incredibly trying times.

I can only imagine what you and your family are going through right now.

Thank you.

Yeah, so, uh, fostering? Does fostering work for the love of the Blessed Mother?

Yes. Criminal?

Civil? Yeah, the word foster conveys a sense... Okay, so do we have a winner

with fostering, Mr. Hall?

Okay. And Mr. ML Hall will be reading this apology personally?

No. No way. I believe that Tony made that specific request.

That's correct.

We specifically say authorized by ML. Now, wait a minute. When did that get

decided? He's unable to travel to Indianapolis at this time. Right, Dad?

Have Cliff read it.

Who the hell is Cliff?

Who's Cliff?

This won't work.

You ever been to Vegas, Dick?

Of course you have.

Rich kids love Vegas.

What's your favorite casino, the Dunes or the Sands?

I love The King.

What's your favorite movie?

Yeah. And Margaret, hubba hubba. Whoo.

Don't even think about it. I'm faster than you.

Can't stand Dean Martin.

I do like O'Marie.

Bill, I've been trying you all day.

A little bit in the thick of it here, Dwayne. Of course. And we're all praying

for Dick's safe return.

Be right there. In the meantime, this sheriff's sale is at 8 a.m. tomorrow.

Do I have the go-ahead to bid on the property?

Or which now?

We're 40 Maynard.

If we're closed.

Let's talk about this in Dad's office.

Roger that.

Hey, we're needed at the command center.

I'm on the air in 90 minutes.

It shouldn't take too goddamn long.

Tony wants his power back on.

Yeah, I know. He called me.

At your house?

Jesus. I told him we're working on it. He has to give something to get

something. Insist on a call from Dick to his wife. Only problem is, we've already

sent a female officer over.

So Mrs. Hall wouldn't let her in if the kids were dead.

I assume you've asked the Hall brothers to try calling her?

As you can imagine, they weren't encouraging.

Obviously, she feels under siege.

Mrs. Heckman knows Evie. Well, yeah, but not.

Well, but a passing familiarity might mr. Seckman reach out. Oh good idea.

I Mean I could ask terrific settled next item on menu. Were you able to locate an

overhead projector?

After you

Where's Richie?

Hey, anything?

Yeah, Ginny has a lead with the sister. I know that lead.

Hackman residence.

Hi.

Uh... Chief Gallagher would like you to pay a visit to Ibby Hall.

No. Tony is willing to let her speak to Dick.

Why me?

Well, this FBI agent McNally seems to think it would be a good idea.

I barely know her, and you need me to do this tonight?

Can you?

I mean, you want Carl watching Julie?

Well, I think they'll be fine for an hour.

The poor woman. What am I going to say?

Well, that I'm not worried about. McNally seems to think when Amy speaks

to Tony, her tone should be conciliatory, so could you pass that

along?

I know.

Okay.

I'll go see her.

Has Tony called you again?

No, but he will.

Okay, I'll be in touch.

All right. I love you.

Love you, too.

Thank you all for gathering.

Chief Gallagher, Sheriff Broderick, the contingent from the state police.

I believe we have all possible arms of law enforcement in the state of Indiana

present tonight.

I caution you, the last thing that we need is interagency conflict.

I'm here now to serve as point person, as a profiler, who analyzes criminal

behavior to assist in the negotiation.

As such, the approach that we take to Tony Kiritsis needs to flow through me.

Make no mistake, situation is bleak. We need to understand the mentality that

we're dealing with. Who's this guy getting?

Said he's a pro-lifer.

We have three objectives.

First, reduce Tony's fear.

Second, emphasize the optimistic outcome.

Third, reinforce Tony's self-esteem. Let's begin with controlling phone calls

in and out.

Jen.

Now you can fool some of the people some of the time.

Does your hand still hurt?

What? You were complaining about your hand hurting the last time you were in

the office.

You mean when I took you hostage?

No, before that.

You were favoring your left hand.

You can't hold that gun.

That was part of the ruse.

Careful. Your turn.

Do you mind not whistling?

I'll just concentrate.

I don't know about that. I do.

Have you ever been, Tony?

Better not be the press. I've got a security guard in here with a cattle

prod.

No, I'm not.

Well, actually, my husband is.

Fred Heckman.

He's helping with the situation.

I'm Barbara.

We've seen each other at First Presbyterian.

On occasion.

Easter. And I've been tasked with...

This is for you.

May I come in?

Come on in.

Thank you. Of course.

Let's give it to a doll roar, please.

Sorry, Mrs. Hall. It's fine, Lester. I managed to opening a door. This is Mrs.

Hackman.

Hello. Hello.

You can just place that in the kitchen.

It's very kind of you.

I don't think the kids have had much to eat lately besides jelly beans and ice

cream.

I try to avoid turning on the news or the radio.

They don't know what's happening.

What a lovely home.

I'm ringing off the hook. We have the same problem at my house.

Would you like me to answer it for you? It's my in-laws, so...

Lester, would you get that? If it's Dick's mother, tell her I'm busy ironing

and praying.

Well,

thank you.

For the casserole.

I'm sorry. I, um... I, um...

I am here for a reason other than the casserole.

Although it is very good, so please eat it. It's important to stay nourished.

First of all, I want to say how sorry I am that this is happening to you and

your family.

Thank you.

And I have been tasked with what I hope is good news or hopeful news.

Tony has agreed to allow you to speak with Dick.

I have the phone number here.

I wouldn't know what to say.

I understand.

To be honest, I didn't know what to say coming here today.

But if you would like to call, I could stay and...

I'm sure that whatever you say will be more than enough for Dick.

Hi!

Do you have TV trays?

That's a job for big girls.

Can you go find Lester and set them up? Okay?

Lester!

Well, you heard Mrs. Heckman. I'll wash up for dinner.

The sink is the white thing in the bathroom that spirts out water. You're

gonna love it.

Ben, where are we? Did you get in touch with the head of the... CEND, Community

to End Neighborhood Deterioration. They picketed out in front of Meridian two

weeks ago. Went to protest the 400-some-odd foreclosures?

Yeah, so it turns out that Meridian is giving these mortgages to working-class

and low-income people, and then they close on those houses fast.

I mean, there's HUD regulations, but there's no way that they're not

profiting. Yeah, no, they foreclose on those properties, and they buy them back

at a sheriff's sale. You know, there's a sheriff's sale tomorrow morning, 8 a.m.,

440 Maynard.

Oh, now, where'd you get that little colonel?

You know I never divulge my sources.

Who do you have on deep background or tape to confirm this hunch?

Oh, well, there's a bank guy that might know something, but he needs some

convincing. It's got to be pristine.

It walks like a duck. You don't have the duck.

Somebody out there wants to go on the record. Your job is to find them.

Okay, so here's local, national, everything that's happening today beyond

Tony. Obie's on site.

O'Brien, I've got Fred, Ben, and Ginny here.

Okay.

Got a two-way setup, so we'll air it live. Anything else?

Yeah, it's pretty fucking cold out here.

Well, we'll talk later.

We'll go right from that into the evening broadcasts.

Ben, scratch the local. If this apology is happening, let's dedicate the top of

the art occurrences.

Ginny, how'd you make out?

I have an exclusive with his sister. You got a copy?

Mm-hmm.

Eight years ago, Tony imprisoned his sister in her home with a knife until

the family agreed to give him $55,000.

Tony's first hostage.

How does it end? I don't know yet. He was arrested.

The nature of the crime, his propensity for violence.

But the case was dropped. Why?

Court records noted that his sister didn't testify. She refused to bear

witness in court nine times. Nine times?

He held her hostage?

She forgives him.

He still fixes things in her trailer.

They don't speak, but she said if there's a leaky faucet or a broken

handrail, she'll come home and find it repaired.

You just had to be there to understand their relationship.

He's her brother.

What was the money for?

For the 17 acres of land.

From hostage to hostage, the story of one man's obsession.

This is very good.

You got all that out of her. I didn't get it on tape.

I fixed her sink.

I think... I think she's just waiting for him to come home.

Well, there's your ending right there.

she's just waiting for him to come home i think you've got your first story

okay

okay yeah um in national news we have president jimmy carter's announcement of

his 30 billion dollar stimulus package

Good as new.

Bet you don't know the first thing about sewing a button. Actually, my mother was

an excellent seamstress.

No. My mother was an excellent seamstress, but she taught me to trade.

She didn't coddle me and keep me in short pants.

You know your brothers call you a mama's boy.

We're still in the dark here, fuckers.

Mr. Francis?

It's A.B. Hall. I'm told you're expecting my call.

Pardon my language.

This is... That's right, we had a call scheduled.

Yeah, call me Tony.

Look, I want to be the first to apologize for

putting you and your children through this.

Thank you.

I want you to know that I had no choice. You know, Meridian...

These people were jacking me. It's not paranoia. You know, I didn't imagine

these things.

Now, Dick is going to sit here and deny it. He has denied it. But the simple

fact of the matter is that your husband screwed me over.

Well, Tony, maybe he did.

Maybe he did.

Maybe he did.

Finally, a hall gives me a straight answer.

You know, you sound like an intelligent lady.

And I hope you won't hold it against me, because I'm awfully sorry about all this

for your sake.

Here, Dick.

Talk to your wife.

Are you there?

Hi, Bebe.

Hi.

You

want

me to write the script?

Give me the phone.

Give me the phone.

I don't know why he's not talking.

No, no, no, it's okay.

No, it's not okay. You're home worried sick and he's tired as a clam.

Here, Dick, tell your wife you love her.

God damn it.

Sorry, pardon my French.

Look, if I had a wife like you, I'd treat her right.

If she called me in this current situation, I'd say something.

She would be very worried. That's right. That's right. Well...

I'm gonna do for him what he

can't do for himself.

He loves you, Mrs. Hall.

Dick says he loves you.

You take care of him, Tony.

Would you like help getting the kids to bed?

I can take care of my own kids

I'll

walk you out

We've been over backwards for you here and what'd you do? Nothing.

You're a cold-hearted fish.

You always get dealt the best hands and you don't even appreciate it.

I wouldn't expect you to understand. Listen, motherfucker, I...

Let

there be light!

Well... Tony, deal's a deal.

Turn on WENV.

Meridian's going live with the apology.

WIBC's got it, too.

ML's come out to see his shadow, huh?

I've had many conversations with ML.

Me and number one have had some good dialogues. I'll tell you, I put on some

classic performances in my life. With ML, I've been my best. That's not to

sound egotistical, you know, but I've done some dandies.

Now it's ML's turn.

He certainly approved the apology.

It's coming up.

Over and out, baby. We interrupt our program to bring you this important

message.

The statement that I am reading has been authorized by M.L. Hall, chairman of the

board of Meridian. This is a public apology to Anthony Kurtz's... Where the

hell's M.L.? Meridian Mortgage. Cliff?

They sent Cliff?

He's not taking responsibility if he can't make the apology himself.

Yeah, I guess your father doesn't care if you die?

You hear that?

Little man on the totem pole, Cliff, says that you're not responsible.

Tony. Motherfucker, where's Fred?

Connecting now.

Patchen Heckman.

W.I.B.C. I'm asking for Fred Heckman. Where's Fred Heckman? Yes, Mr.

Christus. Fred, it's Tony. Not good.

As expected.

Hi, Tony. It's Fred. I'm listening. Clint, that's the call in the air. No,

don't. Betray is a pretty strong word, but I don't think betray really covers

it here. Well, Tony, I'm sorry that you feel like that apology was insufficient.

This apology is inadequate.

I know it. You know it.

These executives, minor executives, and maybe some of the people who have

definite jobs on the development end of it, the mortgage end of it, and the

construction end of it, if we could get them to disclose what the dialogue was,

what was discussed about my personal business and what they ought to do and

what they would rather do and how we can do this and how we can not let them do

that, I would tell you it would be so goddamn horrendous that you wouldn't be

able to put it on paper. If this family of phonies, if we could get them and

make them tell... what they know, it would be so disgusting that this company

would have to close their fucking doors.

I'm gonna need to get an alternate plan.

Dick, you're a goddamn phony.

Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. How do you think this is gonna end?

I don't know.

But I do know that is your first story in five minutes, so you might want to

call your parents Hey great work today

All right.

Relaxes the vocal cords. Oh, okay.

There we go.

Obie says he has something.

Okay, I'll throw to him first. What do you say we do a news broadcast, ladies

and gentlemen?

Good evening. It's 8 o'clock. This is Fred Heckman with the WIBC NewsHour. The

Kiritsis hostage crisis enters its 11th hour, as Meridian Mortgage has met one

of Kiritsis' demands by reading an on-air apology on behalf of M.L. Hall.

However, Mr.

Kiritsis has declared the apology, quote, totally inadequate, unquote.

Now we hear from WIBC's Doug O'Brien, who is live and on the scene at

Crestwood Apartments. What do we need to know, Doug?

Well, Fred, I'm hearing that the situation deteriorated. Mr. Kiritsis was

angered by the Meridian apology.

And are all parties working to get that issue resolved?

Well, the volatility was noted as concern for Dick Hall's safety

increased. Right, but my understanding is that Mr. Hall has been well-treated

for the most part, with adequate food and water.

Yes, however, the big news is that the Army Bomb Squad

I'm sorry, there's been no confirmation of this, has there, Doug?

Yeah. What the fuck, Fred? What is going on down there, Gene? For fuck's sakes,

tell that moron reporter nothing is going on.

Hey, can you patch Gallagher through, please? Patch him in, patch him in. I'm

patching him in, thank you. Doug, I've got Chief Gallagher here on the line who

denies what you just reported.

Chief Gallagher, you are live and on the air. Now, there is no current...

plan for the bomb squad to breach Tony's apartment, is that correct? No. No.

Negative. No breach.

You're goddamn right, I'm gonna blow the whole complex up!

Okay. Quit banging on the fucking door! He emphatically denies any imminent

breach.

Motherfucker.

Motherfucker. Stand up!

Stand the fuck up! Uh, to clarify, Fred, the bomb squad isn't... Clear the area!

Explosives! Clear!

Things have escalated, and I'm not really... Oh, God.

Fuck. What do we do? What do we do? Hang on. Oh, call Tony right now. We appear

to have lost contact with WIBC's Doug O'Brien on the scene as the Crestwood

Apartments are being evacuated. More on this developing situation after these

messages.

Tony it's Fred Okay,

Tony just listen to me try back

Okay,

Tony

Okay, Tony, calm down. Now, you know I don't lie to you. Don't tell me what I

heard, Fred. I know what I fucking heard. This is on you.

I don't like it. You hear me? I don't like it at all. It's your fault.

You've got to keep him on the line.

Clint, run it again. What do you mean, run it again? We're back in a minute,

Fred. Jesus Christ. All right, yes, Clint, run it again.

It's busy.

Again.

I'm taking one of these? Yeah, yeah.

It's still busy. I think it's off the hook.

You have to talk to him through the radio.

Tell him you understand.

Tell him mistakes were made.

Admit to the mistake, but not to the malice.

Tony. No, it's not fucking Tony.

I don't care what shit you say to get him back, but you say it and say it now.

This is McNally. Did you tell them to stand down? Yes, I fucking told them to

stand down.

Fred, we have 10 seconds left. Remember, Tony chose you.

This is Fred Heckman, WIBC.

We are deviating from our usual program.

Tonight's news hour began with a report from Crestwood Apartments that was given

in error.

Neither the bomb squad nor SWAT...

or entering Tony Kiritsis' building. I repeat, Chief Gallagher confirms there

is no plan to breach Tony's apartment.

On behalf of WIBC, I apologize for any confusion caused.

This was our mistake, and quite a serious mistake at that.

But now, folks, if you will please excuse me, I would like to speak to my

friend Tony Kiritsis directly over the radio here.

Hi, Tony, how you doing?

It's Fred.

Now listen, I said I would never lie to you, and I have not.

So I want you to listen to me, I want you to believe me when I say that the

SWAT team is standing down, Tony.

Now I know you served in the Korean conflict, and I believe you know I

played my part in the Second World War.

And we both know what it's like to be caught up in what they call fog of war.

And I don't know.

And of course the right flank doesn't even know what the left flank is doing.

We might have stepped back into that fog.

Now I hope you can see me here.

Tony, I'm standing right beside you. And I hope that you can see all the citizens

of Indianapolis. They're standing right beside you, too.

So if you can call, call me, Tony. I promise I will be on the other end of

that line, waiting, ready to listen.

We'll hear a few words from our sponsors while we wait. Tony, please.

It was a call.

What do you want to do Fred?

We're broadcasting dead air.

Tony are you there?

Hi, this is Fred Heckman.

Hey, pal.

We're alive.

That's good to hear, Tony. It's good to hear your voice. How you doing?

How's Dick Hall? How are you both?

Dick says he could use something to take the edge off.

Huh, Dick?

It's too bad you put out the PBR.

Next man, I poured the one BBR we had left on the fucking train.

Well, Tony, I think I can speak for everybody here when I say that we could

all use a drink right about now. For our listening audience, that was a harrowing

experience this evening, but I'm pleased to say, thank goodness, we're all okay.

This is Fred Heckman, WIBC News.

Now that is how you do radio.

Nice work, Fred. Thanks, fellas.

So... Uh, after Ben's done, I'll do the local, then I'll throw to you for Effie

Kiritsis. Okay. What about Effie Kiritsis?

Uh, my segment's an interview with Effie Kiritsis, his sister.

Tony once held her hostage. No, no, no, we're not gonna do that. What? Yeah,

hold on, hold on. What?

You saw what just happened.

We almost had a tragic ending all because of something that Tony heard on

your news station.

This is hardly commensurate with the threat of a SWAT team, right? What's the

game plan to handling the psychology of a person in total rage? I can tell you

what it's not. It's not bringing up painful episodes that will serve to...

humiliate him. But his sister forgives him. This is an important aspect of it.

Talking nuance. I'm talking about a man with a shotgun in the back of somebody's

head. You run that story, we're gonna get a repeat of what we had tonight, and

this time we will not be so lucky.

Fred, we don't allow government agents to dictate what we air.

He is right, Jenny. He's right. He's been right.

It is a risk.

I think it's one we're willing to take. I'm sorry. We're killing the story.

This has been Hairston, and you are listening to WIBC.

In his first formal press conference since the inauguration, Carter said he

would ask Americans to sacrifice a little comfort now for a stronger

economy later.

The president is expected to propose new conservation measures, including...

Think about what I said.

Don't tell me about radio.

I did radio while Generalissimo Franco was marooned on the Canary Islands.

Ticked up slightly last month, but employment inched down, now standing at

7.8% nationwide.

That's all for National.

It is 10 past the hour. Back to you, Fred. Thank you, Ben. This is WIBC News

with Fred Heckman. In local news, the Winter Fair wrapped up last night with

strong attendance, despite the weather on Friday and Saturday.

Very sticky, Fred.

And the story we're putting together on Meridian, you gonna kill that, too?

Once upon a time, the press didn't report that FDR was in a wheelchair.

You say that as if it's a good thing.

What would you do?

I don't know, but I'm not the conduit. I'm just reporting the story wherever it

goes. You, you're his chief negotiator, Fred. I'm just trying to do what's

right. How's that line holding now?

Cut down on those things

Once I rose above the noise and confusion Just to get across the

island's delusion I was soaring ever higher